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Water Pokemon Master
24th December 2005, 7:14 PM
Just want to clear up that other thread I made, since many people seem to have missed my edited post and my posts explaining the sitch. I, as well as others, totally misinterpreted the meaning of the press release. 4Kids is going to continue dubbing the Pokemon anime, nothing will change at all on that front. 4Kids, these past eight years, has been in charge of the merchandising of Pokemon. When someone wants to use a Pokemon on their product, they would contact 4Kids and 4Kids would handle the licensing. However, now Pokemon USA (PUSA) will do that. Thus, it really had nothing to do with the Anime itself at all. Nothing will change with Pokemon, be assured of that. 4Kids will probably dub Pokemon until it ends in the year 4012. :p

MasterJedi
24th December 2005, 7:15 PM
I can't wait to see everybody all happy from Christmas come back and read this! :D

Pinky the Mew
24th December 2005, 7:22 PM
I was just going to do this Post!! DAMN IT YOU BEAT ME TO IT! No problem, no confrontation. ;151;

However I do have some more detail I'll post them after I take a bath excuse me. *leaves*

PDL
24th December 2005, 7:27 PM
lol, won't the anti-4kids crowd be dissapointed...

oh well, as long as the show's improved in some way, I'll be glad

Gravy
24th December 2005, 7:32 PM
If its any consolation, it means they're going to lose a fair amount of money over this, correct? If the sum of money they'll loose from the merchandising front is a considerable amount for them to worry about, perhaps it will urge them to stop splashing their cash on ridiculous editing and rescoring of music?
I seriously doubt they'd lose enough to make them start worrying about such things, and I guess that makes this post pretty damn pointless. But its a nice thought I guess ^.^

Heracross
24th December 2005, 7:41 PM
lol, won't the anti-4kids crowd be dissapointed...
Not especially. I'll just continue watching the original version. XP

CyberCubed
24th December 2005, 7:43 PM
4kids won't get to keep all the spoils for themselves then. The only good that could come out of this is 4kids keeping more of the original soundtrack and that's about it.

Oh well, at least my biggest fear of all the voices changing has been averted. Guess my sig makes no sense now eh?

MugenKeiji
24th December 2005, 8:31 PM
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20114&postdays=0&postorder=asc&topic_view=&start=15

Pinky the Mew
24th December 2005, 8:42 PM
Okay this is info from Pokemonelite2000.com:

Press Release:



Pokemon USA Moves Licensing In-House in 2006

4Kids Entertainment to Transition Its Representation of Pokemon



4Kids Entertainment, Inc. (NYSE: KDE) and Pokemon USA, Inc., announced today that they have agreed not to renew the Pokemon representation agreement set to expire on December 31, 2005. Beginning in 2006, Pokemon USA, Inc.'s in-house licensing group will handle all Pokemon licensing outside of Asia.



"We felt it was in the best interest of the Pokemon property for Pokemon USA, Inc., to assume all aspects of licensing," said Akira Chiba, President of Pokemon USA, Inc. "This was a brand management decision. We would like to thank 4Kids for all of its great work over the last eight years in helping to establish Pokemon as one of the leading children's brands in the world."



"4Kids has had a successful eight-year exclusive relationship with the Pokemon property that will be expiring at year end," said Alfred R. Kahn, Chairman and CEO of 4Kids Entertainment. "Over the next month, 4Kids will assist Pokemon USA, Inc., in its transition to in-house representation. We wish Pokemon USA much success going forward."



Under the terms of the expiring Pokemon USA, Inc. - 4Kids representation agreement, 4Kids will continue to receive commissions for the next several years on payments made under existing Pokemon license agreements whose term expires after December 31, 2005. It is expected that commissions earned by 4Kids from the Pokemon property will decline over the course of the next several years. 4Kids will also continue next year to produce the current eighth season of Pokemon television episodes.


What does this mean?
4kids still owns all of the the current season of Pokemon: Advanced Battle so everything will stay the same until the end of it which maybe in April or June not sure when advance battle stops and goes into seson 9.

The shows that are shown in Japan right now are the one we are going to see changes in and it's too early to say what it is right now.

Good changes that might happen:
-Pokemon back in theatres!
-Uncensored episodes (will we see guns at last?)
-Episodes that DON'T Include Ash & pikachu

Back in the first season, it was said Mew made an appearance in many an episode before the first movie came out. Those episodes never made to american shores. Errrrrr!;151;

Bad things that might happen:
-Like it was just said the voice actors may have a recast. We may not hear those familair voices anymore.....
-It might not be Shown on Kids WB! Both Pokemon and DBZ once appeared only on UPN (in my area). But when they were bought and sold they went to another T.V. Station.

But do not fear, change is good such is life. And buisness is buisness.
;151;

Heracross
24th December 2005, 8:45 PM
-Episodes that DON'T Include Ash & pikachu
The specials have been dubbed, they just have yet to be released in the US.

Back in the first season, it was said Mew made an appearance in many an episode before the first movie came out. Those episodes never made to american shores. Errrrrr!;151;
...What the hell? I don't know who told you that, but whoever it was is full of it.

-Like it was just said the voice actors may have a recast. We may not hear those familair voices anymore.....
4Kids will still be handling the dubbing, so the voices will stay the same. ;/

Pinky the Mew
24th December 2005, 8:56 PM
...What the hell? I don't know who told you that, but whoever it was is full of it.

Well, I only heard it was on the Japanese version of the show.

What I meant About the episode without Ash &pikachu was for future episodes that may be traditionally left out.

PDL
24th December 2005, 9:07 PM
what would be ideal is not exactly a recast, or just keeping all the original voices

what I'd want is that new voice actors get added to the group... new blood to keep the talent going

Heracross
24th December 2005, 9:10 PM
Well, I only heard it was on the Japanese version of the show.
I've seen all of Kanto in Japanese, and I can assure you there were no episodes with Myuu in them.

PDL
24th December 2005, 9:11 PM
the only time we've seen Mew in the Kanto episodes would be in the intro... you know, the very first part where Mewtwo jumps, and the glowing form of mew drops down and bounds of...

Geki
24th December 2005, 9:13 PM
This Sucks. Bah Humbug.

RandomCharizard
24th December 2005, 9:23 PM
This Sucks. Bah Humbug.
Quiet you. This is still good,I mean,if 4kids doesn't have a hold of the DVD sales and stuff,then we might see DVDs with English Subtitiles and the Japanese episodes. 4kids might also loose a lot of money(as gravy said) and I quote:
If the sum of money they'll loose from the merchandising front is a considerable amount for them to worry about, perhaps it will urge them to stop splashing their cash on ridiculous editing and rescoring of music?
Even though it probaly won't happen,its more possible now.
=D. Next time Geki,read. Kthnx.

Pinky the Mew
24th December 2005, 9:35 PM
Well, alright glad that the part about mew is cleared up. There is one thing that is insignifigant, the music...

When the new episode of DBZ came out I cringed with at the sound of that horrible electric giutar music (and krillin's new voice). Is the background music the same in Japan as it is here in america.

Emma Iveli
24th December 2005, 9:49 PM
Who hoo! (begins to dance, snapping sound from right knee) Ahh! My knee! (sits down) I think this may be the death nail for 4kids, I mean they lost Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh is about to end and 4kids TV's raiting suck. It might be the thign that all 4kids haters been waiting for. And not only we may finnaly see uncut Pokemon. This is a great day for fans.

Chris
24th December 2005, 9:54 PM
When the new episode of DBZ came out I cringed with at the sound of that horrible electric giutar music (and krillin's new voice). Is the background music the same in Japan as it is here in america.
Not entirely. 4Kids pretty much replaces almost all of the background music. In the Chronicles specials, ALL of the music is replaced.

Folks, 4Kids losing licensed rights to the show means EVERYTHING that it's owned now becomes PUSA's property.

RandomCharizard
24th December 2005, 9:56 PM
Not entirely. 4Kids pretty much replaces almost all of the background music. In the Chronicles specials, ALL of the music is replaced.

Folks, 4Kids losing licensed rights to the show means EVERYTHING that it's owned now becomes PUSA's property.
Wouldn't that mean that PUSA could take out 4kids dubbing for Pokemon?

Chris
24th December 2005, 10:03 PM
Not exactly. What I meant was they own all of the properties that 4Kids has merchandised. This means DVDs and such.

Pinky the Mew
24th December 2005, 10:05 PM
*squints at Randomcharizard's font* Well, that depends on PUSA a once 4kids time expires.

That red in your letters is hurting my eyes and I don't wear glasses.

RandomCharizard
24th December 2005, 10:08 PM
*squints at Randomcharizard's font* Well, that depends on PUSA a once 4kids time expires.

That red in your letters is hurting my eyes and I don't wear glasses.Eh,Sorry it works great on the Dark Skin,and if you have to squint at it you need glasses.

The time expires every season right?

Pinky the Mew
24th December 2005, 10:13 PM
*changes background color option* That's alot better. Their time will expire when THIS current season ends.

YoshiAngemon
24th December 2005, 10:30 PM
Well, as long as 4Kids won't be dubbing Pokemon. At least they'll gain more money from Sonic X. They still have lots of episodes to release on DVD.

Thriller
24th December 2005, 11:58 PM
Heh, heh, heh. I'm glad it turned out like this. Like I said in the other thread, as long as the show's in a language I understand, I don't give a crap how many Kanji signs, pictures or music are edited.

Pokefan26
25th December 2005, 12:26 AM
PUSA still won't take over completely yet...
4Kids will still be dubbing Pokemon:Advanced Battle, that is also gonna go through 2006. Once Pokemon: Advanced Battle ends...PUSA will have full control over the Anime, so don't start celebrating yet...

Then, PUSA will have full control over the Anime. And the DVDs, Episodes, Products, Movies, etc. As everyone knows.

The Big Al
25th December 2005, 1:32 AM
This is assuming 4Kids gives up their dubbing rights. Though, it's a distinct possibilty they will.

Pinky the Mew
25th December 2005, 1:47 AM
Well it really has been 8 short years has it? Pokemon was on for that long and still strong. *sigh* This makes me remenice.
;151;

zeroX20
25th December 2005, 2:05 AM
I have a question does viz or 4kids have the license to pokemon advanced. because I just looked animenewsnetwork and they show viz has the license to the pokemon advanced.

so was that a mistake?

Light-Dragon_Ryu
25th December 2005, 2:22 AM
Well it really has been 8 short years has it? Pokemon was on for that long and still strong. *sigh* This makes me remenice.
;151;

It's thinks like that, that make me scared that the show'll end soon...;-;

Chris
25th December 2005, 3:48 AM
Some of you STILL don't get it, do you?

Once 2006 kicks in, PUSA will have the MERCHANDISING RIGHTS to the anime in the US. Nothing more. 4Kids will be finishing the eighth season under their own rights. Once that's done, PUSA will be the one releasing things onto DVD and will be the one making the money off of anything purchased involving the anime. Anything that would normally have 4Kids' logo on it, would be profited to PUSA.

As for what this means for previous releases, I'm unsure of. For all we know, Nintendo could discontinue them and rerelease them with uncut versions. Or release seperate Japanese-only audio and subtitles (although highly unlikely).

Water Pokemon Master
25th December 2005, 7:02 AM
PokeFan, BigAl, READ the darn first post. NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE. PRETEND THE PRESS-RELEASE NEVER HAPPENED. 4Kids is going to dub Pokemon NOW and FOREVER.

Chris
25th December 2005, 7:30 AM
The only way something'll change is if PUSA does what Pioneer did with the first three Dragon Ball Z movies and have the dubbing company release a dub of either an episode or DVD the way they ask, probably mostly a movie.

For those unfamiliar, basically Pioneer released the first three DBZ movies while FUNimation and Saban had the dubbing rights to the franchise. What Pioneer did was release the movies uncut and decided what direction they'd go with (going as far as including "stereo" effects and using the original music).

Nothing will change UNLESS PUSA says so. And that probably won't be done to the TV broadcasts.

icy cyndaquil
25th December 2005, 1:03 PM
When PUSA takes over, it might also means no names for episodes. That means the names will not be stupid anymore hopelly. They are starting to suck and some of them do not make any sense at all.

The Big Al
25th December 2005, 1:27 PM
PokeFan, BigAl, READ the darn first post. NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE. PRETEND THE PRESS-RELEASE NEVER HAPPENED. 4Kids is going to dub Pokemon NOW and FOREVER.
I said assuming they give up their dubbing rights when the dubbing contract expires next year. And I'm saying now that they're making no money off of Pokemon, Kahn might just cut the dub loose because of the money they spend dubbing it. It's not a given but a possibilty.

I am wonder what PUSA will do with the DVD's. Maybe they'll release Japanese DVD's. Maybe they can be convinced to release Japanese DVD's. All I know is that there's a better chance than with 4Kids.

icy cyndaquil
25th December 2005, 1:34 PM
PUSA might also do an uncut pokemon sets on DVD. I have friends who want to watch uncut, undud versions, but in the english laungrage. I also want them, but I want the older episodes aswell that been uncut.

CyberCubed
25th December 2005, 10:03 PM
You guys do realize that Pokemon USA is owned by Nintendo? Pokemon USA won't allow uncut DVDs unless Nintendo says so.

That, and Viz will probably continue to hold the license to release Pokemon on DVD.

The Big Al
25th December 2005, 10:09 PM
Nintendo is more likely to allow uncut DVD's than 4Kids. That's all I'm saying. If they don't do it on their own, perhaps they can be convinced by petition.

icy cyndaquil
25th December 2005, 11:04 PM
That is also what this pokemon fan say. 4KIDS will never get uncut pokemon out, but Nintendo and PUSA will. Who knows, Yugoih and some of the other animes have uncut versions out, so who not want for pokemon to do the same. Especally if pokemon goes on Cartoon Network fulltime during the weekdays if the days on WB is number.

Chris
25th December 2005, 11:33 PM
You guys do realize that Pokemon USA is owned by Nintendo? Pokemon USA won't allow uncut DVDs unless Nintendo says so.
Nintendo's not as censor heavy as they were back during the age of Super Nintendo. o_O Not to mention, Pokémon doesn't have anything offensive that gets cut out. 4Kids just tends to snip away for time or, in the case of Legend of Thunder, no reason at all.


That, and Viz will probably continue to hold the license to release Pokemon on DVD.
Does Viz even release the AG DVDs? I don't remember seeing their logo on them.

CyberCubed
25th December 2005, 11:36 PM
^ Icy Cyndaquil, Where do you get the idea that Nintendo wants the Japanese version on DVD?

Nintendo themselves change all the names of the main characters and Pokemon for a reason, they're not going to turn around and give bilingual DVDs for the 10% of the actual Pokemon audience that wants it. What 10 year old kid who watches Pokemon on TV do you know that's interested in seeing Pokemon in Japanese?

Sure, there's a much better chance now than when 4kids was at the helm, but for those of you who think we'll magically get DVDs with the Japanese version on it are frankly asking for too much.

Nintendo and 4kids were/are in bed together. The entire english version of Pokemon will probably remain near identical to what 4kids and Viz started for the last 8 years.


[SIZE=1]Nintendo's not as censor heavy as they were back during the age of Super Nintendo. o_O Not to mention, Pokémon doesn't have anything offensive that gets cut out. 4Kids just tends to snip away for time or, in the case of Legend of Thunder, no reason at all.

And there will still be time cuts, because KidsWb requests those. The time cuts are done for a reason, not just because 4kids is bored. It's all because of KidsWb wanted to fit in more commercials.


Does Viz even release the AG DVDs? I don't remember seeing their logo on them.

Yes, I have all the Pokemon Advance DVDs released so far, and Viz is the one putting them out.

Chris
25th December 2005, 11:41 PM
Nintendo themselves change all the names of the main characters and Pokemon for a reason, they're not going to turn around and give bilingual DVDs for the 10% of the actual Pokemon audience that wants it. What 10 year old kid who watches Pokemon on TV do you know that's interested in seeing Pokemon in Japanese?
Uh, they change the names on the games because it's easier for kids to pronounce English names. Plus you can't switch languages on the games. :P Not like DVDs.


Nintendo and 4kids were/are in bed together. The entire english version of Pokemon will probably remain near identical to what 4kids and Viz started for the last 8 years.
Just about the ONLY things Nintendo and 4Kids agreed on were the main character names Ash Ketchum, Gary Oak and May. o_O Every other important character that appears in the games (minus the whole LoT chaos) is named by Nintendo, whereas 4Kids is left up to think of all the other names, excluding the Pokémon.

If Nintendo actually had a major involvement with the anime, we wouldn't see all the Trainer's Choice messups or calling Pokémon by the wrong names, or misspelling of certain Pokémon names. They'd actually know what they were doing with a show they've been dubbing for eight years.


And there will still be time cuts, because KidsWb requests those. The time cuts are done for a reason, not just because 4kids is bored. It's all because of KidsWb wanted to fit in more commercials.
Again. Legend of Thunder. >_> ENTIRE segments cut for absolutely no reason. As far as I'm aware, Europe doesn't have the massive amount of commercial breaks the KidsWB has. Not to mention, Europe didn't have the badge case edits until LATER.

CyberCubed
25th December 2005, 11:44 PM
Uh, they change the names on the games because it's easier for kids to pronounce English names. Plus you can't switch languages on the games. :P Not like DVDs.

True enough, but I don't see it likely at this point of time.


Just about the ONLY things Nintendo and 4Kids agreed on were the main character names Ash Ketchum, Gary Oak and May. o_O

4kids chose the names "May" and "Gary?" I always thought Nintendo chose those names since they're game characters.

Chris
25th December 2005, 11:46 PM
What I meant was that they both chose to agree to use them when Nintendo was the one who made the names. >_> Remember that all three names appear in the games. In the US, the anime series came before the games. ;P

Heracross
25th December 2005, 11:46 PM
Nintendo themselves change all the names of the main characters and Pokemon for a reason, they're not going to turn around and give bilingual DVDs for the 10% of the actual Pokemon audience that wants it. What 10 year old kid who watches Pokemon on TV do you know that's interested in seeing Pokemon in Japanese?
Hopefully Nintendo realizes better than 4Kids that those of us who've been fans from the beginning are now seven years older and that such things are indeed in demand.

The Big Al
26th December 2005, 3:09 AM
Hopefully Nintendo realizes better than 4Kids that those of us who've been fans from the beginning are now seven years older and that such things are indeed in demand.
Which is why we should start a petition. If they see interest in Japanese DVD's of the previous seasons, that'd give them reason to make them. Unlike 4Kids who see Japanese DVD's as a threat to their dub sales.

Mamoru
26th December 2005, 3:47 AM
Any petition started should be an actual written one. A big parcel sent by one person, which includes petitions people in several cities around the globe have collected and sent to that person (still in their original envelopes inside the parcel, to show that they're not faked), would be the best bet.

EDIT:
BREAKING NEWS

Anime News Network has confirmed it, and Mike Pollock has clarified his earlier statements to WPM in a conversation with me.



posted on 2005-12-23 18:13:02

Pokemon USA takes Over Licensing, 4Kids not Involved in Next SeriesAs of January 1st, Pokemon USA will take over all aspects of Pokemon licensing from 4Kids. Since Pokemon USA was founded in 2001 licensing responsibilities were split between the two companies, but now all licensing will be handled by Pokemon USA.

In addition, ANN has learned that 4Kids will not be producing or distributing the English language version of the next Pokemon TV series to be released in North America, Battle Frontier.

No one from Pokemon USA was available to confirm how (or when) the next series will be produced and distributed.


ArchaicEternal (14:27:46): Apologies for bothering you Mike. Got a little question for you, if that's alright. I'm sure you've already been asked this several times already, but anyway....can you confirm or deny that 4Kids will continue to be responsible for the dubbing of Pokemon post-8th season, following the recent ending of their contract to handle the licensing of the franchise in the west?
Mike Pollock (14:29:03): Since I'm not a 4Kids employee, no one's told me anything. And even if they had, I wouldn't be able to discuss it do to my Non-Disclosure agreement.
Mike Pollock (14:30:17): Tho, if I had to guess, I'd expect there'd be a similar arrangement to Sonic X where ShoPro administers the rights, and 4Kids has the TV license.
ArchaicEternal (14:31:35): I was afraid you'd say something like that. Several people have been claiming you've made statements to that effect, but I had a feeling NDA's would prohibit you from disclosing such information. I'm going to have to crack some heads I see.

*Nods* I was wondering if such an arrangement might happen myself, though given that Pokemon USA recently put up a position vacant for an Animation Director, I'm not entirely certain about that.
Mike Pollock (14:32:23): I'm just an independent contractor. I show up and read a script.
ArchaicEternal (14:33:05): I see. Well, hopefully you'll be retained post 8th season, regardless of whom is now responsible for the dubbing.
Mike Pollock (14:33:38): Thanks. I quite agree.
ArchaicEternal (14:36:18): Do you mind if I quote this conversation (with your AIM name blocked out) on some forums, to rebut the claims being made about comments you've supposedly made?
Mike Pollock (14:36:31): Sure.
ArchaicEternal (14:36:35): Thanks.
Mike Pollock (14:37:39): The only other conversation I had was the first time I ever heard about the press release in question. I glanced at it and offered the same conjecture.
ArchaicEternal (14:37:57): Do you know who that was with?
Mike Pollock (14:38:57): PokeBeachWebsite
ArchaicEternal (14:40:36): Ah, so you did talk to Water Pokemon Master. Strange...I'd better look at his posts again. I could have sworn he had been one of the people claiming you'd said that 4Kids would continue the dubbing. Perhaps he misinterpreted your conjecture as a statement of fact.
Mike Pollock (14:40:50): Yes. But of course there's really no point in me talking about stuff of which I have no knowledge. It's purely guesswork on my part.
Mike Pollock (14:41:01): I have the whole convo archived. Allow me to share....
Mike Pollock (14:42:19): PokeBeachWebsite: Hey, I have a question
Mike Pollock: G'head
PokeBeachWebsite: 4Kids released a press release today saying something about PUSA taking over
PokeBeachWebsite: do you know anything about it?
PokeBeachWebsite: Is 4Kids not going to dub Pokemon anymore?
Mike Pollock: First time I
Mike Pollock: 'm hearing about it, but from the title of the release, it's licensing only. ADR is separate.
PokeBeachWebsite: Oh, you are reading it now?
Mike Pollock: yup
PokeBeachWebsite: Okay, so what exactly is changing?
Mike Pollock: The licensing. All the merchandising and such.
PokeBeachWebsite: What's an example of that
PokeBeachWebsite: I don't get it
Mike Pollock: Read the AP
PokeBeachWebsite: lol
Mike Pollock: Read the AP's take http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/051223/4kids_entertainment_license.html?.v=1
Mike Pollock (14:42:35): Mike Pollock: When someone wants to make toys, bedding, clothing, they have to license the images. 4Kids handles that.
PokeBeachWebsite: Oh, so know PUSA will?
Mike Pollock: Yes. That's what the full release says. http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/051223/20051223005061.html?.v=1
PokeBeachWebsite: ahh, i see
PokeBeachWebsite: I was so freaked out
PokeBeachWebsite: lol
PokeBeachWebsite: My heart skipped a beat when I read the press release
Mike Pollock: Presumably PUSA would licensing the tv rights back to 4Kids.
Mike Pollock: Much the way 4Kids dubs Sonic X but ShoPro handles licensing.
PokeBeachWebsite: oic
PokeBeachWebsite: hmm
Mike Pollock: Keep in mind I'm not a 4Kids employee, so this is really none of my business
PokeBeachWebsite: lol
PokeBeachWebsite: You are just helping me to understand it
Mike Pollock: Glad to be of service.
PokeBeachWebsite: hehe
PokeBeachWebsite: Hey, have you guys started dubbing the Mew/Lucario movie?
Mike Pollock: Non Disclosure Agreement
PokeBeachWebsite: What's that?
Mike Pollock: I can't talk about stuff that hasn't been released. It's in my contract.
PokeBeachWebsite: oic
PokeBeachWebsite: ok :-)
Mike Pollock: Read about licensing. We have to go pick up dinner. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licensing#Intellectual_property
PokeBeachWebsite: ok
Mike Pollock: more later. Bye for now!
PokeBeachWebsite: ttyl, thank you for clearing that stuff up for me. Now I feel better
Mike Pollock: sure

Mike Pollock (14:44:33): ANd that's why I wrote http://snipurl.com/MikeMessage to avoid these chat that get misinterpreted. That's how I get into trouble.
Mike Pollock (14:45:25): Actually the reaction to an earlier unrelated incident, but I really should listen to my own advice.

#1 Poke Fan
26th December 2005, 8:40 AM
I really don't see a problem with PUSA taking over, as long as Pokemon remains good;)

Chris
26th December 2005, 8:51 AM
No credible source was given to ANN's remarks and Mike's left in the dark about what's going on.

Thriller
26th December 2005, 6:02 PM
Good Lord, first 4Kids will stop it, now they will continue it, now they will stop. Can someone just post a yes or no answer to the question: IS 4KIDS CONTINUING TO DUB THE SHOW!??

Chris
26th December 2005, 6:09 PM
No one knows. 4Kids hasn't said anything, PUSA hasn't said anything either. Mike's in the dark about it since he's not a 4Kids exclusive voice actor and he can't say anything even if he did know without 4Kids making any announcement. ANN gives no source of this bit of news, so we can't jump to conclusions.

The Big Al
26th December 2005, 6:32 PM
*Starts plucking petals off random flower*
They dub
They dub not
They dub
They dub not

This is getting crazy. Why can't they just explain what all is going on?

Chris
26th December 2005, 6:38 PM
This shouldn't be a suprise. Remember how everyone was left in the dark about 4Kids being the ones providing their voice actors from Sonic X for Shadow the Hedgehog and beyond until Ryan Drummond actually called up Sega and found out he was no longer Sonic?

4Kids has a habbit of keeping everything in the dark until the last minute. Look at the One Piece opening's last minute change.

MugenKeiji
26th December 2005, 9:31 PM
Oh fiddlesticks. Well it was nice to believe the myth for a while.

*Shakes fist at a picture of Kahn*
Damn you and your NDAs, at least Nintendo's NDA's are KEY to its success *cough*Revolution*cough*! You shouldn't be "playing ninja" for making CRAP!

Pinky the Mew
27th December 2005, 12:42 AM
Well, this is an EARLY development in the takeover. They are still going through all the paperwork necessary to complete the ownership which may take a few months. They give answers based on their current developments. As soon as they finish something they have answers to answers. So they have no choice but to leave us in the dark for now at least.

P-fan
27th December 2005, 1:29 AM
This is interesting to hear. I guessing the actor will get replace.

+Chaos Blade+
27th December 2005, 1:42 AM
Hmm...this is becoming quite the predicament here. If PUSA nor 4Kids are ascertaining that they get the dub rights for now, we won't be seeing the next season until next summer.

I'm rooting for PUSA -- imagine they start dubbing the classics onward and make it uncut, etc. Well, we'll find out next year -- er...6 days.

+Chaos Blade+

Slypher
27th December 2005, 1:56 AM
Doesn't this mean that PUSA holds the right to everything 4kids used to have, including the show, if that's true then 4kids not dubbing Pokemon might be true, not that I care, the show was dubbed good to begin with, only with people complaining about useless things and consider it a bad dub is what ****** me off. The good news is that no matter who dubs it, 4kids just lost most of their revenues, that and the fact that 4kids is dropping in the markets along with the possibility of FOX rejecting more years of 4kidsTV because of bad ratings, the end of 4kids is a major possibility.

Just to note, what makes you all assume for certain that 4kids will still dub it? Becauses using the previous VA does not mean the same people will also dub it, it's a thing called a VA studio. An official confirmation will help.

Yamato-san
27th December 2005, 2:59 AM
Uh, they change the names on the games because it's easier for kids to pronounce English names. Plus you can't switch languages on the games. :P Not like DVDs.

Actually, you can switch languages, both written and spoken, on some games, but they're extremely rare. Still.... such a feature is present in Smash Bros. Melee, the system set-up for the Nintendo DS, and some others. This, along with the fact that the Japanese versions of the Pokemon anime videos are available to watch in Pokemon Channel, and I think I heard somewhere that Nintendo is going to try for worldwide releases in the next generation, it's safe to assume that Nintendo is by no means uncomfortable with making things bilingual.

The Big Al
27th December 2005, 3:20 AM
Actually, you can switch languages, both written and spoken, on some games, but they're extremely rare. Still.... such a feature is present in Smash Bros. Melee, the system set-up for the Nintendo DS, and some others. This, along with the fact that the Japanese versions of the Pokemon anime videos are available to watch in Pokemon Channel, and I think I heard somewhere that Nintendo is going to try for worldwide releases in the next generation, it's safe to assume that Nintendo is by no means uncomfortable with making things bilingual.
Then comes the issue of 4Kids dubbing. There are dialogue edits, paint edits, deleted scenes, and other things that make bilingual DVD's impossible without going back to day 1 shot 1 and redubbing over 400 episodes.

I personally believe it would be far better and cheaper if they released the first eight seasons in Japanese with subtitles.

Chris
27th December 2005, 5:41 AM
Actually, you can switch languages, both written and spoken, on some games, but they're extremely rare. Still.... such a feature is present in Smash Bros. Melee, the system set-up for the Nintendo DS, and some others. This, along with the fact that the Japanese versions of the Pokemon anime videos are available to watch in Pokemon Channel, and I think I heard somewhere that Nintendo is going to try for worldwide releases in the next generation, it's safe to assume that Nintendo is by no means uncomfortable with making things bilingual.
I was talking about the handheld games of Pokémon. :P Nothing else.

Pikachu Fan Number Nine
27th December 2005, 6:28 AM
I read all the posts and I have to say still no matter what happens, Pokemon should move to ABC Monday Nights-in fact here is what I want for ABC on Mondays next fall:

8:00-Pokemon (new)
8:30-Pokemon (Best of)
9:00-College Football GOTW (ABC will still air games on Saturdays, but the best game each week as picked by the network will air on Monday Night)

RandomCharizard
27th December 2005, 6:31 AM
I read all the posts and I have to say still no matter what happens, Pokemon should move to ABC Monday Nights-in fact here is what I want for ABC on Mondays next fall:

8:00-Pokemon (new)
8:30-Pokemon (Best of)
9:00-College Football GOTW (ABC will still air games on Saturdays, but the best game each week as picked by the network will air on Monday Night)
Simply no. Why the hell ABC? They probaly have something else to take place. Hell, why not channel 13 :0! [/Sarcasam]

Pikachu Fan Number Nine
27th December 2005, 6:40 AM
Why ABC? To keep Mondays family-friendly on the network, combining Pokemon and college football will bring in great ratings and even outdraw MNF on ESPN.

Lil Brother
27th December 2005, 6:42 AM
Where in the world did you get that from? That's almost as likely as Micky Mouse running around Cartoon Network.

Chris
27th December 2005, 7:31 AM
Why ABC? To keep Mondays family-friendly on the network, combining Pokemon and college football will bring in great ratings and even outdraw MNF on ESPN.
Uh..how about no? The combos make absolutely no sense. Not many kids are interested in college football, let alone regular sports and not many older folk are interested in Pokémon. It'd be a disaster.

Plus it'd never happen since only a Warner Bros. kind of network is allowed to air Pokémon in the US. It's either Kids' WB or Cartoon Network. Since Kids' WB has a contract with the show, they've still got more years and seasons to air until the contract's time to be renewed comes up.

Pinky the Mew
27th December 2005, 3:37 PM
Uh..how about no? The combos make absolutely no sense. Not many kids are interested in college football, let alone regular sports and not many older folk are interested in Pokémon. It'd be a disaster.

Plus it'd never happen since only a Warner Bros. kind of network is allowed to air Pokémon in the US. It's either Kids' WB or Cartoon Network. Since Kids' WB has a contract with the show, they've still got more years and seasons to air until the contract's time to be renewed comes up.

And that's what I'm afraid of the most. It will be horrid to see Pokemon on "Jetix". I don't have cable! (bills too tight) Plus I find it degrading for it to be stuck with the shows that hit the graveyard. Pokemon is more successful than, "Super Robot monkey Team Hyper Force GO!"
(I actually got it right, wow!)
That'll really ruin their reputation and not be treated as "seriously" as they were before.
;151;

The Big Al
27th December 2005, 6:42 PM
Jetix? No way. I think it should stay on WB and CN.

Actually, bilingual DVD's would be nearly impossible because of the word puns in the show. The bug/cow joke would be lost in English but if we heard it in Japanese we'd get it.

I just want subtitled DVD's because I want to see the first season in Japanese, minus the music editting by 4Kids.

Chris
27th December 2005, 6:54 PM
You do know that subbers include footnotes to give viewers an idea of what some jokes and such mean, right? :P

The Big Al
27th December 2005, 7:06 PM
I know. My sister has the whole Sailor Moon Eternal fansubbed it has notes at the beginning of the each tape about terminology, jokes, etc used in the episodes.

CyberCubed
27th December 2005, 7:28 PM
Uh, if I remember correctly 4kids kept mostly all the Japanese music for the 1st season.

The Big Al
27th December 2005, 7:42 PM
They did but they still put music where didn't belong, took music from where it did belong and changed the music in some scenes. It's just not as bad as it is now. However, they did do more dialogue edits and deleted more footage during the first season.

I just really want to see season 1 uncut (minus the Porygon episode of course).

Chris
27th December 2005, 7:49 PM
The first set of episodes from start to Hitokage's evolution were handled actually pretty well. There were changes every now and then, yes. But they weren't totally anal about what needed to be changed and what not. They took more liberties and started changing what they wanted. Hell, if I remember correctly, Rachel Lillis (I think it was her) said in an interview that for the first few episodes they were very careful to keep it among the lines of being the same as the original as much as possible.

Thriller
27th December 2005, 9:12 PM
Ah yes in those days you can sometimes get away with saying 'Die' and 'Gang' that are supposed to be no-no words today. Of course syndication and 4Kids couldn't let words like 'Scroll' appear like in "Ghost of Maidens Peak"

I remember the day I saw Charmander evolve. I was so waiting to see what happened next. The next day what do I see? Episode one. Boy was I mad. Why of all episodes, did syndication end the show with that certain episode?

Yamato-san
28th December 2005, 1:40 AM
Duh, because then you'd be anxiously awaiting the next season and stay tuned when it comes out. After all, they can only get so many episodes at once, so why not end it on such an interesting note?

Should Pikachu Fan Number Nine's posts start counting as spam by this point? He keeps going on and on about putting Pokemon on ABC and being with Monday Night Football, even though it's most likely NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, especially given the points that were brought up against it thus far.

Concerning the music editting.... The Big Al hit the nail on the head. Though, I gotta say, the music that was actually changed (as opposed to just covering up silence), though extremely rare back then, was a bit strange because several of the replaced pieces played again at another point, and got kept in the dub in those cases. For instance, that BGM that plays during Satoshi's first match against Takeshi in the Nibi Gym.... far as I recall, that was the first time that piece played in the dub. Watching the original, though, I noticed that the piece played back in the first episode, when the Onisuzume that Satoshi threw a rock at started going after Pikachu. I can somewhat understand their logic with replacing silence, but when it comes to this, I'm left rather confused.

Pikachu Fan Number Nine
28th December 2005, 2:17 AM
Pokemon wouldn't have to be on Jetix-just ABC primetime

Satoshi
28th December 2005, 3:28 AM
Pokemon wouldn't have to be on Jetix-just ABC primetime
...Yeah, and while they're at it, lets move Teletubies to Comedy Central. ¬¬

You keep suggesting that idea, even though the likelyness of that happening are very slim. As some people said above me, KWB has a contract with the show, so it will not be moving.

Chris
28th December 2005, 6:53 AM
Pokemon wouldn't have to be on Jetix-just ABC primetime
We heard you the first time. We don't need you repeating it a thousand times. It's not gonna happen and never will. Kids' WB has a contract to air it. No one else. Stop saying the same thing over and over again. That's spamming right there. ¬¬

The Big Al
28th December 2005, 12:15 PM
I remember listening to Seiyou's rant and then Giselle's and Seiyou's background music was much better. It captured what'd I feel if some snob was insulting my of training because it isn't like her's. While the dub music just flops there like a half dead Magikarp. I know the edits in the first season were few and far between compared to later but they seemed to urk me more on a case by case basis because they were unneeded and annoying.

YoshiAngemon
28th December 2005, 12:27 PM
I say we ban Pikachu Fan Number Nine for repeating an idea of Pokemon on ABC PrimeTime! People can just catch Pokemon Reruns on Cartoon Network, or the Master Quest! If they can get the other DVDs, they'll end up able to air the remaining episodes!

Pikachu Fan Number Nine
28th December 2005, 12:29 PM
I doubt that would happen, besides I've given up

Pinky the Mew
29th December 2005, 1:27 AM
Well, that's fine with me as well, but does anyone know when Kid's WB's contract end? I'm sooo nervous this corprate orginization stuff is so confusing and fickle sometimes.

CyberCubed
29th December 2005, 2:33 AM
Last I heard KidsWb renewed Pokemon through Season 9 (which will be Pokemon USA's first season and the BF saga)

They'll probably renew it for Season 10 and beyond though

The Power of Pika
29th December 2005, 6:28 AM
That's cool if the US keeps going I'll still be able to get the stuff when they come to DVD. I can get to an importing shop easily.
Us Australians will hopefully get them afterwards. I'm just glad the series is still going.

Are DVD's considered merchandise? and will PUSA have control over that?
I'm still a little confused I suppose. Also reading this whole thread just made me even more confused. Does 4kids still have control over the anime? because if they still do that still doesn't guarantee good dubs.

I really feel stupid asking but it doesn't seem clear to me.

Chris
29th December 2005, 7:47 AM
Yes, DVDs are merchandise. This means 4Kids will get zip in DVD sales profits.

If you really did read the whole thread, you'd know that no one knows the exact answer and that nothing's been fully revealed. :P

The Power of Pika
29th December 2005, 12:16 PM
Okay thanks. The thread seemed to confuse me because some seemed certain of one way while others seemed certain of another and then the ones who aren't sure. Also it wasn't just the thread I guess. It was a few sites that claimed strange things aswell. I guess things will clear up next year sometime.

I'm just hoping that Australia shows Pokemon because of the change from Cheez TV to Toasted TV here. I'll feel less worried if they would actually show it. They'll probably will but it is a concern.

I wish companies would tell us what's going on. I've been sitting in the waiting cue for too many things this year. Everything I've done this year I don't find out till next year. It's getting to me.

Cerberus
31st December 2005, 12:07 AM
Season 10 and beyond, should be interesting, anyone know anything else PUSA has worked on?

PDL
31st December 2005, 12:16 AM
anyone know anything else PUSA has worked on?

it's already been stated that they've never worked on anything anime dubbing-related before... they mostly work with the Pokemon franchise.

kingboo30
31st December 2005, 5:41 AM
it's already been stated that they've never worked on anything anime dubbing-related before... they mostly work with the Pokemon franchise.

Interesting. 4Kids didn't have much dubbing experience when they started Pokemon either. But I won't be getting any thoughts since as usual 4kids doesn't give out any news. Hey at least we might not be getting photoshopped dvd covers anymore.

Chris
31st December 2005, 6:37 AM
>_> Photoshopped? You make it sound like a bad thing. If anything, they NEED Photoshop. They look like they're using basic Paint programs and are just copy/pasting official art onto backgrounds. o_O

I've proven I can do better covers with Photoshop than they could.

Cerberus
31st December 2005, 2:51 PM
Heh, I agree, whats wrong with photoshop?

Slypher
31st December 2005, 9:41 PM
>_> Photoshopped? You make it sound like a bad thing. If anything, they NEED Photoshop. They look like they're using basic Paint programs and are just copy/pasting official art onto backgrounds. o_O

I've proven I can do better covers with Photoshop than they could.

Hey, it's one of 4kids better lazy background, if you can call it that. It's better then the One Piece edited dub DVD, nothing but two colors in the background and a copy/pasted art of Luffy and Zolo, and they couldn't have put them in the worse place, those swords are basically going up his *** -_-. The bootleg DVD look way better, that's saying something.


anyone know anything else PUSA has worked on?

If 4kids does indeed stop dubbing, PUSA doesn't need to do the dubbing by itself (though it'll be intresting), they could simply get another dubbing company to do the dub, however if they still want the same voices, they'll have to have one that situated in new york. Also, is PUSA situated in New York as well, or are they somewhere else?

ToonKid
1st January 2006, 8:43 PM
Hey, it's one of 4kids better lazy background, if you can call it that. It's better then the One Piece edited dub DVD, nothing but two colors in the background and a copy/pasted art of Luffy and Zolo, and they couldn't have put them in the worse place, those swords are basically going up his *** -_-. The bootleg DVD look way better, that's saying something.



If 4kids does indeed stop dubbing, PUSA doesn't need to do the dubbing by itself (though it'll be intresting), they could simply get another dubbing company to do the dub, however if they still want the same voices, they'll have to have one that situated in new york. Also, is PUSA situated in New York as well, or are they somewhere else?
i heard some1 hear say it was in seattle

Red
4th January 2006, 6:35 AM
4Kids didn't do a bad job dubbing, there were some errors though. If they change dubbers, would there be different voices?

Tamed Raikou
4th January 2006, 6:49 AM
Well, PUSA and 4kids can't beat the producers behind the first season of pokemon - The Summit Media Group (The Logo would usually be displayed at the end of an epiode, as well a on Ash's hat during the first season)> What happened to them?

The Big Al
10th January 2006, 1:20 AM
Well, PUSA and 4kids can't beat the producers behind the first season of pokemon - The Summit Media Group (The Logo would usually be displayed at the end of an epiode, as well a on Ash's hat during the first season)> What happened to them?
Kahn made a deal with Drahk when he was at Warner Brothers and got a bunch of Keepers and had them implanted on them so he could control them and make episodes that didn't need a lot of editting (except for music).[/joke]

Seriously, I don't know. I wish they had done The Kanto Fronteir

MugenKeiji
12th January 2006, 2:28 AM
4Kids USED to be the Summit Media Group, or at least a subsidary of it.

http://www.4kidsentertainment.com/services/media.html

Which means...THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHANGES IN MEGAMAN...

Well granted it could have been Ruby-Spears, but seeing their names in the "Upon A Star" DVD it makes you think about who the masterminds that changed their mind were, you know because Capcom was mostly about the money.

Think about it, who else would give Airman a head separate from his body? Obviously not someone who respects artistic design from Inafune-sama.

Yamato-san
12th January 2006, 3:14 AM
Which means...THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHANGES IN MEGAMAN...

By changes, you mean them going with the idea of making an entirely new original series as opposed to simply dubbing and airing the "Upon a Star" OVA as was originally advertised, right? Meaning.... they're the ones who thought Proto Man was evil. If that's true, then it leaves me to wonder why Nintendo let them have the rights to Pokemon (as well as F-Zero) in the first place, considering they already had pretty bad experienced with a video game-based series.

MugenKeiji
12th January 2006, 8:23 AM
You hit it smack dab on the Shiftry's nose.

Of course rather than airing the "Upon A Star" OVA (being a pitch on its own anyway), I meant that the actual series didn't go about using similar character designs from the games and the OVA. Megaman turned into Mega-f**, Rush became Scooby Doo, Roll was Barbie on steroids, IceMan smoked one too many cigarettes...the only characters true to fashion would be Light and Wily, as well as a few Robot Masters. Also, where was Dr. Cossack? Pharoah Man and Ring Man were in the series, darn writers.

The biggest mistake with the (uninspired) Mega Man TV series besides character design and sloppy writing would probably be that it came too soon and ended too soon. The later games 7 and 8 had new characters (Bass!) AND more interesting Robot Masters to write with (I can imagine Shadow Man not getting along with Tengu Man, Freeze Man trying to hit on Roll, Astro Man being afraid of dogs including Rush). I don't remember if there were any MM6 bosses that appeared in the series...was there? Oh and I REALLY hated that episode where there was a computer virus and they turned into cavemen. That's just wrong on so many levels.

It's too late from what I can tell because the momentum for the classic Megaman rests only in the memory of the fans, the youngest of them are almost out of high school and the rest are well into adulthood which seems unrealistic to market. Capcom's making new universes to grow on, and maybe some PSP remakes following Megaman Powered-Up. Right now, the Battle Network series is a hot property.

Also making Protoman evil confused me because I was a late bloomer on the Classic Series universe. In fact, I was more familiar with X than the original when I was tuning into the cartoon.

Ah, to be 9 again...