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Kagome Higurashi
24th December 2005, 9:42 PM
Which is the most cliched shipping genre?

Devilrose
24th December 2005, 10:10 PM
Ironically enough I was just reading a bit about 'cliche' in the fanfiction section today x.o

Anyway, there's really nothing wrong with 'cliche' ships if they're written well, but I'll list what I consider cliche.

Love/Hate - Just about every anime has this.
Damsel in Distress - This one is everywhere...
Tragic - This one is overdone quite a bit as well. Thank. You. Shakespeare. I only liked Romeo and Juliet because their deaths were SO rubbed in Capulet and Montague's faces...

Mimori Kiryu
24th December 2005, 10:14 PM
Love/Hate - Need I explain?
Damsel in Distress - Disney ruined this...-_-;
Tragic - So...many...animes have this...and like Devilrose said, the only one is Romeo and Juliet...

CyberCubed
24th December 2005, 10:27 PM
Love/Hate seem to pop up the most. Some of them are poorly written, but some can be quite good.

clown_buggy
24th December 2005, 10:30 PM
Love/hate relationships. They're so cliched it's not even funny. Can't forget about Damsel in Distress and Tragic romances, which are also stale and very unoriginal.

Encyclopika
25th December 2005, 12:08 AM
Damsel in Destress is annoying...mainly because it puts the girl into such a helpless position...which is bull nowadays - though I do like it for shippy hinting...though it's nice to have "male in distress" to balence it out as well. ^^
Can't say clone personality is any better. It just shows the lack of character developement for both parties IMO...which is really a let down. You kinda hope that in a relationship, both people bring in something special and DIFFERENT to the relationship. >.>

intergalactic platypus
25th December 2005, 2:54 AM
i see girl next door/old friend A LOT. ya know, you just started noticing a girl youve know forevr

Kveran
25th December 2005, 3:01 AM
Most cliched: Main Boy x Main Girl.

♥~Darkness Within~♥
25th December 2005, 4:05 AM
Love/Hate & tragic

Hakajin
25th December 2005, 5:14 AM
In anime and manga, I think love/hate. Which is great for me since that's my favorite type. I dunno though, damsel in distress pops up a lot in shoujo manga, and often wins against the former in a love triangle. Yuu Watase does that a lot. I think it could be either of those.

Jo-Jo
25th December 2005, 5:38 AM
Difficult to say. Love/hate crops up a LOT, but there are so many good l/h romances out there that I hate to click it. You're got to distinguish between a cliche and a respected literary tradition, right? And Tragic is a bit too broad a genre to count, IMO. In the end, I went for Damsel In Distress, because it's sexist and crap. Clone Personalities is awful, too, unless it's used for humour, but I haven't actually seen it done often enough to call it a cliche.

Wolf Goddess
25th December 2005, 5:42 AM
You're got to distinguish between a cliche and a respected literary tradition, right?

Ever heard of "too much of a good thing"? :p

Anyway, I went for love/hate, as it's the king, and girl-next-door. Meant to vote for damsel in distress too. Very annoying.

How the hell are shounen-ai and shoujo-ai cliched?

Amadeus
25th December 2005, 5:46 AM
Love/Hate is annoying often. It just leads to pointless arguing. Ranma pulled it off well, though.

Damsel in Distress... Eh... Too predictable. That's why the stories I write often have a strong female protagonist or at least a capable one.

Tragic is a real buzzkill. Shallow idea, maybe, but to just kill off characters, etc., to try to get emotion out of your fans is usually a cop-out.

Girl Next Door works sometimes, but again, predictable.

To be honest, it's really hard to make a romance original...

cold_katanagirl
25th December 2005, 5:51 AM
... Oh geez, accidentally deleted instead of edited. <_<

Love/hate for me. In almost everything I've read, watched, or played, there's been some love/hate relationship in there. The only thing I can think of would be Hamtaro, and sometimes I wonder about Laura and that other dude who's name I can't recall.

Damsel in distress is pretty cliched as well. I generally don't like it, but it depends on the way it's done. As long as I know the girl isn't a weakling and isn't completely reduced to being a wimp, then I don't mind it too much. Sango getting saved that one time in Only You, Sango for example, because we ALL know Sango kicks *** alot more than Miroku does, same with Kikyou when she has to get saved every once in awhile. Kagome on the otherhand, is the reason why D.I.D ships tend to suck.

Tragic. Now I sort wish I didn't vote for tragic. Depends on what you classify as tragic, stuff like Romeo and Juliet vs Harry and Cho. =/

I probably should have voted for girl next door instead. Oh well.

Jo-Jo
25th December 2005, 6:14 AM
Ever heard of "too much of a good thing"? :p
*starts into tenth box of Christmas chocolate* Sorry, what was that? :p

Amadeus
25th December 2005, 6:21 AM
... Oh geez, accidentally deleted instead of edited. <_<

Love/hate for me. In almost everything I've read, watched, or played, there's been some love/hate relationship in there. The only thing I can think of would be Hamtaro, and sometimes I wonder about Laura and that other dude who's name I can't recall.

Damsel in distress is pretty cliched as well. I generally don't like it, but it depends on the way it's done. As long as I know the girl isn't a weakling and isn't completely reduced to being a wimp, then I don't mind it too much. Sango getting saved that one time in Only You, Sango for example, because we ALL know Sango kicks *** alot more than Miroku does, same with Kikyou when she has to get saved every once in awhile. Kagome on the otherhand, is the reason why D.I.D ships tend to suck.

Tragic. Now I sort wish I didn't vote for tragic. Depends on what you classify as tragic, stuff like Romeo and Juliet vs Harry and Cho. =/

I probably should have voted for girl next door instead. Oh well.
That's a little unfair. Miroku does kick some serious ***, too. Anyone his size who can knock people out with one hit, and run fast enough to keep up with Inuyasha must be pretty kick-***. Besides, Sango saves him plenty of times, like with that one demon who sucked away men's youth.

I wonder if Miroku could blame a grope on the Wind Tunnel. "Sorry, the beads slipped... you know, suction..."
Heh. I love that couple.

cold_katanagirl
25th December 2005, 6:49 AM
That's a little unfair. Miroku does kick some serious ***, too. Anyone his size who can knock people out with one hit, and run fast enough to keep up with Inuyasha must be pretty kick-***.I was kidding. :/
Besides, Sango saves him plenty of times, like with that one demon who sucked away men's youth.That's what I like about it, the saving is generally equal between them. I don't like Damsel in Distress pairings like Inuyasha x Kagome, where Inuyasha constantly saves Kagome and Kagome saves him ever once in awhile.

Shadowcat
25th December 2005, 3:32 PM
Girl Next Door, Damsel in Distress and Clone Personality.

I would've voted for more and posted much more, but hey, it's almost 10:30 PM where I live, so I'll edit this post... If I ever get off my lazy a**

Toran Frostbite
25th December 2005, 6:02 PM
*votes for the first five categories*

Why? Nothing's original anymore. I can't say I hate them all, because there are some plots that involve those cliches and don't make them out to be so god awful painful and wondering why you're still there. The plot and the personalities of the characters can either make a cliche work, or break it so ugly you want it to just die. ..... Mostly, they just break.

Encyclopika
25th December 2005, 10:04 PM
How the hell are shounen-ai and shoujo-ai cliched?
I don't know...but it's starting to get on my nerves - well the fans anyway. It's like everyone that perfers gay relationships takes out time to squash straight ships in saying the straight relationship is cliche. >.> And more and more of it is coming out...it's almost right up there with everything else. Soon, it could be as cliche as everything else on that list - not saying I don't like it, I do most of the time.

Jo-Jo
26th December 2005, 4:42 AM
There are some Godawful cliches within the shounen-ai genre, I know that much. E.g. the characters being turned into 2D seme/uke stereotypes, or one or both boys having homophobic families from whom they must conceal their love omg. I haven't seen enough shoujo-ai to judge what the cliches are for that genre, but I imagine within the Pokemon fandom, it's thinly-veiled lesbian porn fantasies created solely for the gratification of men. >_>

But overall, I think that that all romance plotlines are cliched. There's a limit to the number of ways in which you can tell a story, and after thousands of years of literature, we've exhausted the possibilities. Which isn't to say that somebody can't rework an old story in a fresh way, but I don't think it's possible to invent an entirely new way for two people to fall in love.

Toran Frostbite
26th December 2005, 6:10 AM
There are some Godawful cliches within the shounen-ai genre, I know that much. E.g. the characters being turned into 2D seme/uke stereotypes, or one or both boys having homophobic families from whom they must conceal their love omg. I haven't seen enough shoujo-ai to judge what the cliches are for that genre, but I imagine within the Pokemon fandom, it's thinly-veiled lesbian porn fantasies created solely for the gratification of men. >_>

You got it in one. Twice. A lot of yuri is just for the purpose of hentai, and too few authors actually write a lesbian relationship as a relationship and not a sex fiesta. And yaoi has it's bad forms too, though the 2Dness is ugly stereotyping for the need of a 'woman and man'. Though the homophobic familes is definitely an ugly cliché that's not too far off from the Romeo/Juliet genre. Don't hate the family itself, just hate your kids!

And every couple (straight or gay) have their own individual, overwrought clichés. :D It's a ball and a bowl of spiked punch to trudge through. Just ask the Puppyshippers!

wobbsalad
26th December 2005, 7:35 AM
I voted for the love/hate one, as it never seems to work that way in real life. Provides a bad example. :)

And as far as the damsel in distress concept, I don't think it can be done enough. A million stories with a million imperiled young ladies, writers of the world keep it coming! And make it convincing, too!

STJ
26th December 2005, 7:52 AM
Most, if not all of the options are cliche in some form.. and cliche isin't nessessarily a bad thing, though some times it isin't written well at all..

For me in Anime and other shows the most common are love/hate and main girl/ main guy, though Damsel in distress crops up as well...

Some I like, most I don't, since I find that the romance detracts from the main plotline in general..

Jo-Jo
26th December 2005, 2:04 PM
Yeah, I guess the question is not so much 'which genres are the most cliched?' as 'which cliches do you dislike the most'? ;)

As a sidenote, I wonder how many of the votes so far were cast as a result of experiences in the Pokemon fandom? Seems like every Contestshipper is clicking Damsel In Distress and the Advanceshippers are all going for Love/Hate. :p