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'Fro-Dizzy
2nd January 2006, 10:51 PM
Donphan (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 160 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Rapid Spin
- Roar

Hidden Power Rock scares off Zapdos, or forces it to rest. Salamence starters don't really like this either.

Metagross @ Lum Berry
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 148 HP / 160 Atk / 96 Def / 104 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Agility
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Meteor Mash

Cloak Choice Band until late game and Agility up.

Typhlosion (M) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 60 HP / 36 Def / 252 Spd / 160 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Substitute
- Thunderpunch

This thing is cool when it gets to 25% HP.

Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Def / 156 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Substitute
- Surf
- Wish

Pass some subs and keep the team alive.

Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 172 HP / 48 Def / 136 Spd / 152 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Psychic
- Recover

Celebi is an underrated sweeper imo.

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 180 HP / 252 Def / 60 Spd / 16 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave

Had Miltank here, but Starmie just swept through this team without the extra Sp Def.

Delta
2nd January 2006, 11:54 PM
Just 2 things: IŽd change Metagross Lum berry for leftovers, adn iŽd go with sunny day instead of Thunderpunch with Typhlosion, as you already have a move to damage water poke, adn SD will also help your water resistance

Hey Micky!
3rd January 2006, 12:10 AM
Donphan (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 160 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Rapid Spin
- Roar
Roar and CB don't exactly mix :S HP Bug or Rest IMO...

'Fro-Dizzy
3rd January 2006, 12:31 AM
Everyone says this, but I usually only get one hit with Donphan, so imo the CB doesn't really hinder it.

Kaiser
3rd January 2006, 2:24 AM
more like hp ice celebi imo

-MK ;376;

Mr. Robinson
3rd January 2006, 2:45 AM
Experienced players will be able to know the difference between CB gross and Non CB, but whatever.

Tazzler
3rd January 2006, 4:53 AM
Eh CBphan is okay as it usually stays in on one turn.

aipomkong
3rd January 2006, 1:14 PM
everyone forgets that dusclops is meant to counter rapid spinners, and that dusclops really doesn't like Donphan's CB STAB Quake

however it is a poor lead

Switching into a CB Blaziken could be tricky

Pax Deorum
3rd January 2006, 5:34 PM
Typhlosion only needs 12 HP EVs to get Petaya at 25%. It's still not that good of an idea since it's still *****d by Blissey

Delta
3rd January 2006, 7:33 PM
I thought petaya was activated at 33%, adn it needs enough EV´s to make its Hp indivisible by 4, to make substitue work

Pax Deorum
3rd January 2006, 8:01 PM
12 HP EVs does that IIRC

Hey Micky!
3rd January 2006, 9:02 PM
everyone forgets that dusclops is meant to counter rapid spinners, and that dusclops really doesn't like Donphan's CB STAB Quake
People know that, it's just the Roar+CBness is kinda :S You Roar, you pull in something like Meta and you gotta switch out and then switch back in to EQ it etc (it's a bad example since he's got other stuff to handle Meta but you get my drift).

leafgreen386
3rd January 2006, 9:13 PM
About Lum berry Meta, anyone who's been playing a while will know if it's not CB. There is a significant difference in the damage it does to even high Def pokes such as Skarm.