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Fluorescent Adolescent
6th January 2006, 5:56 PM
Jolteon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

I always have this as lead. Damn good lead.

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 196 HP / 40 Atk / 252 Def / 20 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Roar
- Spikes

:/

Salamence (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rock Slide

I like this one. I was told by 0ma that Hydro Pump was a 2HKO on skarm but it isn't. Unless he meant to put a certain amount of special attack EV's into sala but I doubt it.

Dugtrio (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power
- Rock Slide

Just for bliss and celebi because I hate the both.

Gengar (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
[B]Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Destiny Bond
- Hypnosis
- Ice Punch
- Thunderbolt

No FP on this duder because I have duggy for bliss. If he dies then sala is there I guess. Some people think DB is cheap but it's not >:O

Edit in bold. Updated Gar.

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled

I really hate gengars and ghosts sh*tting on me :<

Major pert weak I know but I usually just end up sacrificing jolteon for that. I used to have giga drain>Hypnosis on gengar but I dunno what I would be better with. Any help appreciated as usual ;/

Delta
6th January 2006, 6:40 PM
If you are using Sub-BP on jolteon, then your gengar should have FP, although you already have duggy for Bliss. In that case, i would recomend you switch Duggy for Heracross, which can take easily Cele adn Bliss if you invest in speed EVs

Fluorescent Adolescent
6th January 2006, 6:42 PM
The thing is, duggy has arena trap which is awesome. That is what hera lacks. I actually used hera last time but it just asks for switch outs >.> Then celebi and bliss always stay alive which isn't what I want. They usually switch in to my jolteon at the very start which is great, as I can get rid of them quicker and easier. Jolteon just attracts the perfect counters which is cool.

Delta
6th January 2006, 6:46 PM
i see. But that could be a problem. Let´s say you start with jolteon. Your enemy switch adn you too. Then comes out swampert. If he predicts Jolteon or just uses EQ, you´re lost, but with Hera, you can reversal adn kill Pert.

Fluorescent Adolescent
6th January 2006, 6:50 PM
i see. But that could be a problem. Let&#180;s say you start with jolteon. Your enemy switch adn you too. Then comes out swampert. If he predicts Jolteon or just uses EQ, you&#180;re lost, but with Hera, you can reversal adn kill Pert.

Thats way too situational. Besides, I have DB on gar to take care of pert, presuming it stays in. BTW, I would most likely put a sub up to predict their switch anyway or just put a sub up to see what move they are using rather than just switch. Furthermore I wouldn't switch jolteon into a pert anyway, only if it was on around 70-75% health (pert) and I predicted an IB from it.

BTW, reversal on hera sucks, more like megahorn.

Delta
6th January 2006, 6:52 PM
Hera´s reversal isn´t that bad. Sub+Sowrds dance+Reversal with Aslac berry is extremely cool. But if you Sub-up adn predict the switch correctly, then you´ll be fine.

Fluorescent Adolescent
6th January 2006, 7:04 PM
Meh reversals okay, I thought you meant endrev which sucks. I still prefer FP>Reversal but whatever. Anyway enough about hera and more with the rating. Kthx 8)

DragonDance
6th January 2006, 8:33 PM
reversal fails on anything but scizor.

BTW, make Gar Timid cause you dont have any physical attacks.

Fluorescent Adolescent
6th January 2006, 8:39 PM
Good point. I kept the same nature as the McIceGar I used to have, forgot to change the nature.

EDIT-Changed gar with Timid nature but would a modest nature work instead?

Delta
6th January 2006, 8:51 PM
Both timid adn modest work. Adn by the way, a sub punch gengar could give you trouble if it also has t-bolt adn ice puch. Except for jolteon, it could OHKO most of your team if used properly

Fluorescent Adolescent
6th January 2006, 8:54 PM
Both timid adn modest work. Adn by the way, a sub punch gengar could give you trouble if it also has t-bolt adn ice puch. Except for jolteon, it could OHKO most of your team if used properly

Please tell me who uses thunderwave on a Gar? Also if it did use sub whilst I switched to say, jolteon, it uses FP, jolteon doesn't die, jolteon uses thunderbolt and loads of health is taken off of gar. Also I could switch bliss in when gar puts the sub up, IB, and then it'll most likely switch because I could IB it again. And it wouldn't do well against skarm either, without thunderbolt.

Delta
6th January 2006, 8:56 PM
I said thunderbolt, not thunderwave. Adn sorry, i didn´t see you pu Ib on Bliss. So used to seeing it with t-wave that i did´nt notice, but fair enough, Gengar isn´t a thread, after all

Fluorescent Adolescent
6th January 2006, 8:59 PM
You edited your post. Originally it said thunderwave. I swear. Anyway doesn't matter.

Back to the rates....

Delta
6th January 2006, 9:12 PM
I would just go with Giga drain on gengar, in case Pert shows up. Team seems balanced, anyway

DragonDance
6th January 2006, 9:30 PM
Modest would work to.

aipomkong
7th January 2006, 10:26 AM
reversal fails on anything but scizor.

megahorn/reversal/swords dance/substitute Heracross is one of the most dangerous pokemon ever then, thus not failing

≈*Virulent Tsunami*≈
7th January 2006, 2:06 PM
Nothing beats the double-Reversal Heracross =/. I assume you meant Focus Punch or something.


~*CB*~
The 8th Champion

Pax Deorum
7th January 2006, 2:54 PM
He obviously meant Sub

aipomkong
7th January 2006, 3:20 PM
He obviously meant Sub

uh huh, *edited*

Fluorescent Adolescent
7th January 2006, 3:48 PM
Changed Gar:

Gengar (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SpAtk, -Atk)
- Destiny Bond
- Giga Drain
- Ice Punch
- Thunderbolt

Yeah I really needed that giga drain >.>

I'm thinking of changing duggy or sala for something, maybe something like TTar :l

DragonDance
7th January 2006, 4:35 PM
well the teams good, u raped me.

Fluorescent Adolescent
8th January 2006, 5:11 PM
Eh para hax on the end ;/