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Skiks
11th January 2006, 11:33 PM
Well Togashi is finally back to health or so it seems.
http://www.nexgear.com/index.php?showtopic=12357
We will be getting Hunter X Hunter on a weekly bases soon. I hope.
Anyways I got volume 5 and I'm rather impressed with it. Good translation and nothing to complain about, except the fact that Yorkshin is now YorkNew. Well Shin does mean new but it still sounds rather akward. Now all I need is to get the new volume for this month.

HK
11th January 2006, 11:53 PM
Glad to see that he is returning. I assume that when Weekly Jump #8 comes back from the break that he will be with it as well.

Personally I'm hoping that the Chimera Ant arc ends soon. I have heard that there were plans to end the series right after the Greed Island arc, but Togashi extended it for whatever reason. It looks like things are about to wrap up in this current arc with just twenty or so chapters, assuming the fights aren't totally extended. I'm hopin' that Togashi finally does end it after this, because I can't see him doing another arc, both plot-wise and for his health. A lot would have to be put into that final arc, but I think that it can be pulled off.

Skiks
12th January 2006, 2:05 AM
Glad to see that he is returning. I assume that when Weekly Jump #8 comes back from the break that he will be with it as well.

Personally I'm hoping that the Chimera Ant arc ends soon. I have heard that there were plans to end the series right after the Greed Island arc, but Togashi extended it for whatever reason. It looks like things are about to wrap up in this current arc with just twenty or so chapters, assuming the fights aren't totally extended. I'm hopin' that Togashi finally does end it after this, because I can't see him doing another arc, both plot-wise and for his health. A lot would have to be put into that final arc, but I think that it can be pulled off.
Yes I think he should finish it after this one. There are a few thing I'd like him to wrap up before he ends it. Like if Kurapica successfully kills off all the Ryodan members. I'd also like to seeLeorio gain his own type of nen and know how to use it.I can't forget the anticapited Hisoka vs Kuroro battle. Also one more thing I'd like to see but maybe not important is killua's unknown brother.

Knowing Togashi the next few battles will be drawn out. Actually it would have sucked if he ended it at GI. It felt way too soon to do so. At least I hope he will be able to pull off a good ending for this manga. All I'm asking for is at least one more Arc.

Kokukirin
12th January 2006, 6:29 AM
It's too obvious that Kurapica cannot kill off Ryodan. Honestly I think the battle between Kurapica and Ubogin is flawed. No way could Kurapica survive that direct hit with only an arm broken, since Ubogin has by far stronger nen. The fights of Ryodan members against the ants make things even more obvious...

While I think the manga should end soon, there are way too many things to wrap up in just one arc. I'd much prefer a longer story with better ending over a shorter story with rushed ending.

RED1992
12th January 2006, 9:46 AM
I hate hunterx. it's nothing compared to yuyu and the artist got f*cked up.

Kokukirin
12th January 2006, 7:05 PM
I hate hunterx. it's nothing compared to yuyu and the artist got f*cked up.
It's quite the opposite. YYH was nothing special until vol 7 or so, when the story turns away from the "beat the bad guys up" main line. YYH had sloppy artwork in early stage too, but Togashi improves and matures as story proceeds.

On the other hand, HxH is clearly more well planned. At least, from beginning to Greed Island, the story flows very smoothly. Chimera Ants Arc seems to be a sudden addition, but we'd never know until it ends. Also, Introduction of Nen gives rise to far greater a variety of fighting styles. IMO only the degraded artwork halfway through G.I. is the major flaw in the manga.

Skiks
13th January 2006, 1:11 AM
It's too obvious that Kurapica cannot kill off Ryodan. Honestly I think the battle between Kurapica and Ubogin is flawed. No way could Kurapica survive that direct hit with only an arm broken, since Ubogin has by far stronger nen. The fights of Ryodan members against the ants make things even more obvious...

While I think the manga should end soon, there are way too many things to wrap up in just one arc. I'd much prefer a longer story with better ending over a shorter story with rushed ending.
You have to remember one thing though. In the battle of nen nothing is certain. As well as the amount of restriction's you put on your nen ability determines it's over all power.
Next lets review kurapica's abilities:
Kurapika materializes chains on his hand, with the chain tips hidden up his forearm and the ends attached to each of his fingers. He makes his ability look like manipulation because he keeps the chains materialized all the time, therefore making people think they are actually real chains.
Chains Kurapika currently uses:
Index finger: unknown

Togashi hasn't revealed the function of the fifth chain yet.
Thumb: Holy Chain (form: a cross)
It heals wounds and serious injuries, when Kurapika uses it in normal state, it has only 60 % effectiveness because it uses Reinforcement powers (Kurapika is naturally materialization).
Middle finger: Chain Jail (form: a hook)

It captures an opponent and put him/her into Zetsu state (cut off aura flow, makes it impossible to use nen). This chain is nearly unbreakable because of the condition set by Kurapika:

* He can only use this chain against Members of the Genei Ryodan,
* if he tries to use this weapon against an opponent who isn`t a Ryodan member, he'll die instantly.

Ring finger: Dowsing Chain (form: a sphere/ball)

A chain used to find people or objects. It can be used by focus on a persons nen or anything about the person or object who is searched. Kurapika also uses this chain to block bullets or disarm his opponents, supposedly by making the dowsing chain find the bullets while in midair and trapping them in the links of the chain.
Little finger: Judgment Chain (form: a little sword/dagger)

Kurapika uses this chain to stab it in an opponents body and then a nen sword/dagger points at his/her heart. Kurapika set a rule (a maximum of 2 rules) the person pierced with the chain must follow. If the person breaks one of the set rules, he/she'll die instantly after breaking the rule. Kurapika has also pointed a judgment chain to his own heart to obey that he would only use chain jail against Ryodan members and this one only for self-defense.

The judgment chain is NOT only to be used on Ryodan members, Kurapika is also allowed to use it for defending himself. (He can't attack someone with the judgment chain unless this person is attacking him).

This chain requires Specialization powers, so that Kurapika can't use it when he´s not in scarlet eyes state. Kurapika has trained himself to be able to go into this state whenever he needs to, not only when he's angry.
The Scarlet eyes state:

Kurapika´s origin as a member of the Kuruta tribe allows him to gain specialization powers. When a Kuruta has strong emotions (anger, fear etc.) his eyes turn scarlet and Kurapika´s strength increases. When he has his red eyes he's able to use all nen groups as 100%, which means that he's a specialization user (he can something no other person can) The status he gained through his Kuruta genes, the special power to use
all groups at 100%, is called "Emperor Time".

The scarlet eyes allow Kurapika to simulate the effectiveness and strength of a natural user of any type of nen. However, he remains a materialization user in that he cannot gain certain levels of ability. For example, if he gains level 10 materialization (his natural nen type) he can only gain level 4 emission (naturally 40%). Normally, he would also only be 40% accurate and be unable to use emission power as well as an emission user, but with his scarlet eyes he can simulate a natural emission user and equal them in force and accuracy.

However, it remains that at level 10, Kurapika only equals a level 4 emission user (this 40% ratio remains, ie if he is at level 20 materialization, he will be level 8 emission). The scarlet eyes don't allow him to gain levels, only increase his force and accuracy.

As you can see he put many restrictions on his abilities so he would be able to compete with such powerful foes. Also Kurapica put Uvogin in a Zetsu state so he would be easier to kill. During the entire fight he had the Emperor Time state activated. Giving him more nen accurracy then he normal had.

Kokukirin
13th January 2006, 2:40 AM
Well in case you haven't noticed, Togashi never mentioned that level thing again. >>

Kurapica had learned nen for like, half a year? He didn't even receive the training Gon and Killua had on Greed Island. And I suppose even Gon with his nen concentrated on his arm can get away with just broken arm if Ubogin hit him. The book mentioned Ubogin's punch was not merely just focusing strength on his fist, it was his "special ability".

Let's put things in a more understandable way. I'd represent their nen with a number.

(After G.I.) Gon's nen = 100
Hisoka = Kuroro = 180
Other Ryodan members 130~170
(Before G.I.) Killua = (Before G.I.) Gon = 60
Leorio = 40

Sounds reasonable?

Judging from the timing, Kurapica cannot be much stronger than Killua and Gon in Genei Ryodan Arc. That'd give him about 60~80.

From description of his ability, he can use all types of nen to 100%, but that can only give him a value of 60~80 for everything. It does not amplify his nen in any way. Remember how Gon's nen increases dramatically when he uses his punch? Ubogin's punch is even more powerful, and should easily go over 200, using the above scale. So Kurapica is basically taking a 200+ power punch with merely 60~80 (would be ~40 if not because of his ability)...

Skiks
13th January 2006, 4:10 AM
Well in case you haven't noticed, Togashi never mentioned that level thing again. >>

Kurapica had learned nen for like, half a year? He didn't even receive the training Gon and Killua had on Greed Island. And I suppose even Gon with his nen concentrated on his arm can get away with just broken arm if Ubogin hit him. The book mentioned Ubogin's punch was not merely just focusing strength on his fist, it was his "special ability".

Let's put things in a more understandable way. I'd represent their nen with a number.

(After G.I.) Gon's nen = 100
Hisoka = Kuroro = 180
Other Ryodan members 130~170
(Before G.I.) Killua = (Before G.I.) Gon = 60
Leorio = 40

Sounds reasonable?

Judging from the timing, Kurapica cannot be much stronger than Killua and Gon in Genei Ryodan Arc. That'd give him about 60~80.

From description of his ability, he can use all types of nen to 100%, but that can only give him a value of 60~80 for everything. It does not amplify his nen in any way. Remember how Gon's nen increases dramatically when he uses his punch? Ubogin's punch is even more powerful, and should easily go over 200, using the above scale. So Kurapica is basically taking a 200+ power punch with merely 60~80 (would be ~40 if not because of his ability)...

The levels are more of an example. It's better then saying a little nen * special ability=huge nen You still have to take into account that the more nen restrictions given, the stronger the ability. Basically Kurapica can only use his great strength against Ryodan members and no one else. If he faced off against hisoka he would lose. Think of it this way he was barely able to block Uvogin with his accuracy increased reinforcement. (Accuracy means instead of only being able to use half of his nen to block he is able to use all of it) When he was hit the second time, it broke his arm completely. The only reason he was able to win is because he was able to put his chain around him before Ovogin was able to attack again.

Gon's Janken Rock attack can increase dramatically depending on his mind state. Gon usually pulls off semi-strong Janken attacks. When he was about to use it against Moru he was angry at Nef for making Kaito the way he was, so his nen attack was fierce. Later on when he faced the bat and the owl it wasn't as huge as before because his mind state was normal.

Skiks
18th January 2006, 11:18 PM
Sorry for the double post but I finally got my hands on volume 6. I love the fact that they have the kastro and hisoka fight. It still makes me laugh at how hisoka decided to play a mind game in the middle of the battle. Though I tried his mind game but I didn't get 1 as an answer. O.o; Anyways a bit out of character to hear killua say we know diddly but I love the translation so far. No screw-ups at all. It's also lovely how they kept the reader in suspense by not telling how hisoka beat kastro. That shall be revealed next volume.

Kokukirin
19th January 2006, 4:50 AM
If you plug unknown x as your number and form an equation, the unknown x cancels out each other, and 1 is left at the end. You must have done your math wrong somewhere.

Skiks
20th January 2006, 10:35 PM
Yeah I kinda did it on the spot but your right I messed up somwhere. I finally got 1 after doing the equation again.
Well if You people noticed or not HXH has stopped again.
http://animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=8371
http://www.nexgear.com/index.php?showtopic=12648
I just hope it's only togashi trying to give us a good finale to this arc. Also the new HXH volume 7 is out in english. =3 I'll get it some time in between these two weeks.You people should give HXH more love so I don't doublepost. =(

Edit:Yeah I deleted the double post. Anyways I bought the new HXH english volume and I found a few translation changes.
Chrolo=Kuroro
Other changes include nen types:
Enhancer=Reinforcement
Emitter=Emission
Manipulator=Manipulation
Matrialization=Conjurer
Transfomation=Transmutar
Specialization=Specialist
<< Conjurer, Emitter, and Enhancer sound wierd.