AG 165 "Fierce Fighting! Jungle Battle at the Battle Palace!!" Speculation Thread

[Nintendo Theatre]

AG 164: 激闘！バトルパレスでジャングルバトル!! "Fierce Fighting! Jungle Battle at the Battle Palace!!"

I was searching on Bulbapedia and came across the new AG 164 title. It will first broadcast in Japan on February 16, 2006. Any ideas?

I believe that it will be a double battle featuring Ash's "jungle" pokemon such as his new Sceptile (if it evolves) and either Donphan or Swellow vs. Spenser's Crobat and another one his Pokemon.

[V Faction]

Deja Vu. The feeling that something has happened before.

Deja Vu. The feeling that something has happened before.

[Nintendo Theatre]

What about Deja Vu?

[CyberCubed]

::hopes for Ash to lose to this one::

Seriously, since Ash has only two more Brains to possibly lose too (either Spenser or Anabel) it better be Spenser.

If Anabel gets two episodes when Tucker, Greta, and Lucy didn't I'll be annoyed.

At least Spenser has the wise old man vibe, thus if he beats Ash its expected.

Anyway go go Sceptile. Maybe we're in for a rehash of the Norman fight?!??!?! Hey they rehashed the Adan battle with Lucy, so who knows anymore?!

Sceptile Vs. Slaking Round two!

:: DING!::

[V Faction]

What about Deja Vu?
The feeling that something has happened before.

[Nintendo Theatre]

Sceptile Vs. Slaking Round two! :: DING!::

Slaking, now that would be cool. Sceptile and Donphan vs. Slaking and Crobat.

I'm ready to rumble!

[intergalactic platypus]

Jungle battle? Very odd. Sounds like some interesting facilities will be in the palace

[Medea]

Jesus "Tap Dancing" Christ, all of this seems to be happening WAY too fast. Well I'm guessing it would be a double battle

...But that's just me...

[squirtleking]

I wouldn't mind seeing some more of Ash's older pokemon coming back: it's about time some of his remaining pokemon evolved *cough*cyndaquil*cough*, although I'd quite like to see Glalie vs. Crobat: maybe Glalie could learn Blizzard?

[S.Suikun]

If Anabel gets two episodes when Tucker, Greta, and Lucy didn't I'll be annoyed.
Not me. Anabel's the cutest Frontier Brain. She deserves to win. ^_^

Seriously, though, Ash does need to lose one of these. He's been overdue since the beginning of the saga.

[Alfonso]

...What in the world?

Another episode title with 'Fierce Fighting?'

And as stated previosly, Battle Frontier is starting to fly by... o__o; At this pace, we'll be at the Jindai battle soon enough.

Which makes me wonder if they're leading up to something. That, or they've just realised that they shouldn't have farted about at the start of AG. -_-

[Kabuto]

Another episode title with 'Fierce Fighting?'


I was just going to mention that. Wow, another Frontier battle. This time the wise old Spencer (or perverted old). I hope he uses Crobat and Slaking, good animation, and a loss for Ash.

[Alfonso]

I was just going to mention that. Wow, another Frontier battle. This time the wise old Spencer (or perverted old). I hope he uses Crobat and Slaking, good animation, and a loss for Ash.

I'm a little up in the air about Spenser. Watching him perv over May as a token Perverted Old Man (TM) would be hilarious, especially since Scott, Pokemon's resident Pedo hasn't done that yet. :< (Probably because he's stalking Ash and Ash alone.)

However, I get the feeling he's gonna be the boring old wise man. :/

[Kabuto]

If Spencer is the wise old man and the show focuses on Ashs fight I'd like to see Ash use Sceptile and Heracross tag team (wishful thinking).

[The Big Al]

They should try something new. Considering the kind of battle, why not "Savage Battle" be the beginning of the title. If I didn't know any better, I'd say the idiots at 4Kids were making these titles.

[Lil Brother]

They should try something new. Considering the kind of battle, why not "Savage Battle" be the beginning of the title. If I didn't know any better, I'd say the idiots at 4Kids were making these titles.What? They don't freakin' care about the titles. As long as it gives a fair summary, who gives? And I don't know where you got the 4Kids thing, it isn't anything near a pun. o.o

Jesus "Tap Dancing" Christ, all of this seems to be happening WAY too fast.God, what is with you people? Usually we're compalining about there being too many fillers. Now it's a facility once ever five episodes or so, and we're going too fast? Make up your minds.

As for the episode itself, the Perverted Old Man bit would be hilarious if done correctly. XD

[Kabuto]

They should try something new. Considering the kind of battle, why not "Savage Battle" be the beginning of the title. If I didn't know any better, I'd say the idiots at 4Kids were making these titles.

I would rather see Fierce Fighting used 100 times than see a title like Let It Snow Let It Snow Let It Snorunt.

[Sushi]

Well, the Battle Pike title had "net'tou" (heated battle), but this one says "gekitou" (intense/fierce battle), so it's actually not the same.

Anyway, this episode doesn't have a good chance of getting a decent animation team. My guess is Takeda or Shimura. But I should just sit and wait until Pokeani gives us more information about the episode. Er...yay for Battle Palace! ;D

[Kabuto]

This episode doesn't say Part 1. So my worst fear may occur. Salon Maiden Anabel might get 2 episodes! For shame *nods head*

[Zoramon089]

Anyway, this episode doesn't have a good chance of getting a decent animation team.

Why do you say that? It could get the good team, the one that did the Battle Dome and the upcoming Munchlax episodes...

[Gravy]

I'm saddened by the fact that, despite this being a jungle episode, the chances of bongo drums, head hunters and spears appearing are slim to none :(

This is obviously going to be the token 'Lets make Ash's newest pokémon look uber cool' episode, so I'm expecting Sceptile to do something other than not noticing it has a painful-looking tree sticking out of its buttocks.
And nothing says 'Jungle' like a pseudo-gorilla. So Slaking is a pretty safe bet I'd say.

So there you have the dilema of people either whining about another rehashed battle if Sceptile wins or whining about Sceptile's defeat/losing streak/Ih8Luvdisc if it fails. Oh my!

[Sushi]

I really feel like eating cookies now. ^^
Why do you say that? It could get the good team, the one that did the Battle Dome and the upcoming Munchlax episodes...
Yeah, of course we could get Tamagawa-san or Iwane-san, but those are the only really good art directors ATM.

However, Akihiro Tamagawa will make the Grovyle vs. Tropius ep, and Iwane-san the Munchlax ep. Izumi Shimura, who will draw the Sceptile episode, often makes two episodes consecutively, so it's quite likely that this will be the case here. But Takeda-san hasn't done an episode since the Orienteering one, so he could be the one in charge of this episode as well.

Of course, this pattern often changes, but I didn't say it's impossible that we'll get a well-animated episode anyway.

Once again, yay for Battle Palace.

[CyberCubed]

Granted the Grovyle Vs. Slaking match back at Norman's Gym was a little disappointing (and with lackluster animation to boot), so I wouldn't mind a sequal.

With Greta they kinda gave us a "Part 3" of Grovyle Vs. Hariyama. And Lucy had "Part 2" of Pikachu Vs. Milotic.

Slaking hasn't appeared in a good long while either, so it would be nice to see one again.

[Kabuto]

No one brought this up yet, but I wonder if the traditional battle without your trainer comes in play. Don't get your hopes up though.

[MagicBox]

I really hope something interesting is done to Spenser's character. I'm all for a perverted old man idea, but the wise old man idea could be good as well, as long as it's done correctly. What I don't want is a combination of BOTH, since we'd just end up with an older version of Brock.

As for the battle itself, I'm guessing Spenser will use Crobat and Slaking (which is pretty much a given, anyway). His Lapras wouldn't be very interesting, and I'll be furious if he uses Arcanine or Suicune. Ash is going to use Sceptile, we know that. Actually, I'm hoping for anyone but Pikachu. Swellow, Corphish, and Donphan would all be welcome in this battle, IMO.

[Gravy]

Granted the Grovyle Vs. Slaking match back at Norman's Gym was a little disappointing (and with lackluster animation to boot), so I wouldn't mind a sequal.
Indeed. I'd usually be one of the first to ***** about same old-same old syndrome, but I wouldn't be dissapointed at all. I really can't see them making this any worse than what happened down at Petalburg so thats a definate plus. And considering this takes place at a jungle setting, they could make things even spicier by having a load of obstacles on the field like trees and such. It would certainly be a great opportunity to see if they can get Sceptile to tree-hop like its past self to say the least.

No one brought this up yet, but I wonder if the traditional battle without your trainer comes in play.
That would be fecking awesome. But I can quite comfortably say that it ain't gonna happen.

[Kabuto]

As for the battle itself, I'm guessing Spenser will use Crobat and Slaking (which is pretty much a given, anyway). His Lapras wouldn't be very interesting, and I'll be furious if he uses Arcanine or Suicune. Ash is going to use Sceptile, we know that. Actually, I'm hoping for anyone but Pikachu. Swellow, Corphish, and Donphan would all be welcome in this battle, IMO.


If the writers used Arcanine again, they must be smoking crack after recently using it in Tuckers match. I actually wouldn't mind Suicune being used in a Suicune vs. Sceptile match similar to Charizard vs. Articuno. Lapras hasn't appeared in a long time but I don't really want Spencer to have it. Crobat and Slaking should be fine, but if Spencer uses a third pokemon, Suicune gets a warm welcome from me. As for Ash, unless he borrows a Pokemon from Oaks, I'd assume he'd use Sceptile and Swellow.

[Nintendo Theatre]

I'd like to see Ash use Sceptile and Heracross tag team.

That would be awesome! And actually...it could happen I believe it's time that the writers cn bring back one of Ash's old Pokemon and Heracross (or Bulbasaur IMO) would be perfect for this battle...

[Zoramon089]

Sceptile and Swellow would be HEAVEN! They're two of my favorite pokemon on Ash's team (i had both on my in game team too). And they could make for some interesting battles. BTW, anyone think Sceptile could have new moves, maybe dragon claw? But they'd probably have to do training eps if he learned it (like Ash with Swellow for AA)...

[JazzJazz]

BTW, anyone think Sceptile could have new moves, maybe dragon claw? But they'd probably have to do training eps if he learned it (like Ash with Swellow for AA)...

Could end up "automatically" having a couple of new moves up its sleeves upon evolution... it has happened in the anime before.

[ghost master]

BTW, anyone think Sceptile could have new moves, maybe dragon claw? But they'd probably have to do training eps if he learned it (like Ash with Swellow for AA)...I would think the sceptile dawn of revival would involve learning a new move since the point of the episode is that it cant learn new moves and Ash tries to fix it. Anyway I kinda expected a Sceptile vs. Slaking thing when I saw the title. It would be nice to at least see something different this facility. Heracross and Bulbasaur are the only other pokemon I could see going along with the theme but I hope to see one of the Johto starters and Glalie fight in a facility. As for Spencer this would be the best time to pull the wise old man that beats Ash sort of deal. Or have Ash become overconfident during the match and lose since thats one of Ash's biggest flaws. Also yeah this saga is going fast but, its not suprising for me anyway.

[≈*Virulent Tsunami*≈]

:D

Spenser finally makes his debut =D I'm so excited for this episode. And it better have excellent battles and excellent animation, otherwise I'll be severely disappointed.

Well, at least the jungle bit will be original, which makes me happy. Something other than the standard, "Her'z a stayj, ledz baddul." If it doesn't have good plot and/or animation, though, it would pretty much be rubbing salt on a wound ._.

Nonono, Spenser CANNOT be a perverted old man. I would consider that an enormous insult to his awesome character :<. He deserves a real personality, preferably the rather exuberant character he's made out to be in the games.

Whatever Spenser commands is fine with me. Spenser could wield a Shining Charizard with Blast Burn and I'd cheer him on <3.

I scarcely care how Ash battles, it's Spenser's prowess I'm interested in :D.

You know, of all the Frontier Facilities, this is the one where I can imagine the InGame rules being followed. It's not that hard or obscure a concept, and I think I can remember this thing being done before.

Spenser =DDDDD

~*CB*~
The 8th Champion

[ChaosMage]

Sceptile VS Slaking is fine with me, since we haven't seen the big guy in over a hundred episodes anyway! And I'd love Heracross, Swellow or Bayleef to appear personally. Although torkoal or Cyndaquil could burn through the jungle, clinching a victory!

[.Bambi.]

Hmmm…I was wondering when the next Brain Battle would be.
Well, this “Jungle Battle” has me intrigued, but I know that if I get my hopes up I’ll only be disappointed.

I’m thinking like everyone else in the Pokemon Department. Jungle pretty much spells out Slaking [Norman even had a Jungle dome for him sloths to live in] and Crobat seems appropriate because Arcanine has had too much glory in this Saga, let alone all 9 seasons. Lapras could be another option, but Crobat just seems more fitting to the Jungle theme because it can fly and all.

As for Ash’s Pokemon, given that Sceptile evolves, he will be used. Hell, Grovyle will be used even if he doesn’t evolve. But who else? Who…else…hmmm…*thinks* Corphish and Swellow were in the Battle Dome, Pikachu and Donphan were in the Battle Tube…so maybe Ash will borrow an Oak Pokemon? *shrugs*

Personality wise, I know it won’t happen, but I want Old Spency to be a senile mofo. You know, the type always popping pills and drinking before noon…one of those seniors that make me giggle so.
However, as expected, we’ll probably get the old wise man deal. Yawn.

Overall, can’t really make a prediction on this episode because the Jungle theme can be broad. I just hope they use the game rules and Ash can’t tell his Pokemon what to attack, but once again, I won’t get my hopes up.

Whoo.

[Squirtle_007]

I hope that Satoshi brings a Pokémon from Ookido´s lab like Heracross, if it´s gonna be in a jungle-like arena, then Sceptile is almost a fact, but I hope that Ukon has more than just two Pokémon

[intergalactic platypus]

PLEASE don't make Spencer an old man making pervs at May. I would weep if that happened. On topic, its obvious Sceptile will be used because it will be shortly after his evolution and its called a jungle battle. What better for a jungle battle then a lizard with a bush on its arse

[Brinstar]

Heracross and Sceptile, please.

[Poké_Master]

This episode is going to be good. I can just feel it. Although, that may be the fact that the Battle Palace is my favorite... Anyways, I wish they'd made this a two parter. Maybe, if Ash's Pokémon have to battle with out him, they will lose and then Ash'll go off and have them battle each other for a couple of episodes and then come back later and win!

[boLd NinJa{Koga's Son}]

I hope that Spencer uses Crobat...we haven't seen it battling long time. I love the Idea with the "jungle" thing, Slaking and Sceptile are gonna be there 4 sure.

I'm looking forward to this.

;169;

[JazzJazz]

Maybe, if Ash's Pokémon have to battle with out him, they will lose and then Ash'll go off and have them battle each other for a couple of episodes and then come back later and win!

Given that the next season is probably a fair way off it seems that there is enough time for Ash to do the whole loss and train scenario with at least one of the Battle Facilities... it doesn't seem right for him to conquer them all in a clean sweep.

[ghost master]

Given that the next season is probably a fair way off it seems that there is enough time for Ash to do the whole loss and train scenario with at least one of the Battle Facilities... it doesn't seem right for him to conquer them all in a clean sweep.Didnt Ash clear through all of the orange island gyms? Although I would like Ash to lose this one than any of the others left. It would also give a chance to showcase more of the old pokemon.

[ChaosMage]

Also, May only has two ribbons while Ash has 4 symbols. If she wins one of the two upcoming contests, she still needs two while Ash only needs one more symbol before facing Brandon. We'll see if this affects the pacing of Ash's journey compared to hers.

[ghost master]

Also, May only has two ribbons while Ash has 4 symbols. If she wins one of the two upcoming contests, she still needs two while Ash only needs one more symbol before facing Brandon. We'll see if this affects the pacing of Ash's journey compared to hers. We dont know what will happen I still dont think Brandon will end this entire saga I think there will be one battle afterwords. In Hoenn May got her last ribbon after Ash recieved the sootopolis badge whats to stop it from happening again.

[DEMONCAMERUPT]

I personally hope that Ash loses to Spencer then goes does soime training and comesback for a re-match wins.

Also i hope that Ash (Or should i say the writers) has enough brains for Ash to use Torkoal (My fav hoenn fire poke.) against Spencer.

[Almighty Zard]

I personally hope that Ash loses to Spencer then goes does soime training and comesback for a re-match wins.

Also i hope that Ash (Or should i say the writers) has enough brains for Ash to use Torkoal (My fav hoenn fire poke.) against Spencer.


Why does everyone want Ash to lose to Spenser so bad, it's starting to get just as bad as people wanting May to lose to Harley in the upcoming contest episode, he should possibly lose to Brandon casue he is the hardest, but anyway....This episode is definitly setting up for sceptile's revenge, after it's defeat in the arena, it's time to get some payback..

Torkoal was screwed in Hoenn and is now sitting at Oak's do you really think the writers are gonna bring it back....

[Mew2]

I wouldn't mind Ash losing if they keep with the original rules. If I remember correctly, that would mean each person's pokemon battles without any commands being given by the trainer. That could open up some interesting character development for Ash's pokemon, which would bring about "fillers" that weren't like other fillers. And it could make Ash into an even better trainer if he didn't have to announce his attacks every time and give his opponent a heads up on what his pokemon are about to do. This could really be a turning point for Ash in his journey to become a pokemon master if the writers handle this properly.

[Almighty Zard]

I wouldn't mind Ash losing if they keep with the original rules. If I remember correctly, that would mean each person's pokemon battles without any commands being given by the trainer. That could open up some interesting character development for Ash's pokemon, which would bring about "fillers" that weren't like other fillers. And it could make Ash into an even better trainer if he didn't have to announce his attacks every time and give his opponent a heads up on what his pokemon are about to do. This could really be a turning point for Ash in his journey to become a pokemon master if the writers handle this properly.

Thing is they haven't really kept any of the origional game rules in the anime yet, and i don't think they would start now, all we've been getting so far are suped up gym battles, don't get me wrong they are way better, but still.....

I think it's obvious that Ash is never gonna be a pokemon master until the series is ended, and if the writers do decide to shove another army of fillers down our throats i hope they go to the sevii islands, cause that would be more appealing to me anyway.

[Kabuto]

Honestly, the BF should've taken place in the Sevii Islands because its in kanto, but has new pokemon. I wouldn't want them to go there now though. I would love to see the game rules in play, but Ash is the one getting the badge, so he has to do it himself. The only game rules that may happen are Battle Tower and Battle Pyramid.

[Almighty Zard]

Honestly, the BF should've taken place in the Sevii Islands because its in kanto, but has new pokemon. I wouldn't want them to go there now though. I would love to see the game rules in play, but Ash is the one getting the badge, so he has to do it himself. The only game rules that may happen are Battle Tower and Battle Pyramid.


you never know though the writers may take advantage of the tower on seven island and make it the battle tower, after all there were only six locations on the kanto map when the season first started.

I'm really curious as to what Spenser is going to use in this match, plant type or wild crazy monkey type, or possibly a certain water type....oh wait then Eusine might show up....

[Shadowcat]

Like CyberCubed mentioned... There is too much Deja Vu for me to handle, IMO.

Greta: Grovyle VS Hariyama, 'Part 3'
Lucy: Pikachu VS Milotic, 'Part 2'

And for Spenser... It's 'Sceptile VS Slaking, 'Part 2'.

And I hope this facility keeps its rules... The Random Move one is fun! Trainers cannot command any of their Pokemon... Which is awesome and fun! :D

Anyways... Jungle Battle could possibly mean a return of either Ash's Bulbasaur, Bayleef or Heracross, since these Pokemon like in the Jungle/Forest/Woods. The word 'Jungle' immediately lets us know that Sceptile is taking part, and there's over 90% chance Slaking is going to be in this episode. Less than 50% chance of Bulbasaur, Bayleef and Heracross to appear... Even though they are related...

And none of Ash's Pokemon on his team now, save for Sceptile, has anything related to the Jungle/Forest/Woods.

So... Come on... Let Bayleef interact with Sceptile a little... If she's going to appear... Same for Heracross and Bulbasaur...

[DEMONCAMERUPT]

Like CyberCubed mentioned... There is too much Deja Vu for me to handle, IMO.

Greta: Grovyle VS Hariyama, 'Part 3'
Lucy: Pikachu VS Milotic, 'Part 2'

And for Spenser... It's 'Sceptile VS Slaking, 'Part 2'.

And I hope this facility keeps its rules... The Random Move one is fun! Trainers cannot command any of their Pokemon... Which is awesome and fun! :D

Anyways... Jungle Battle could possibly mean a return of either Ash's Bulbasaur, Bayleef or Heracross, since these Pokemon like in the Jungle/Forest/Woods. The word 'Jungle' immediately lets us know that Sceptile is taking part, and there's over 90% chance Slaking is going to be in this episode. Less than 50% chance of Bulbasaur, Bayleef and Heracross to appear... Even though they are related...

And none of Ash's Pokemon on his team now, save for Sceptile, has anything related to the Jungle/Forest/Woods.

So... Come on... Let Bayleef interact with Sceptile a little... If she's going to appear... Same for Heracross and Bulbasaur...

well lets see:

Swellow is a bird that can be found in woods and forests.

and i wouldn't mined this facility to keep its rules.

anyone up for a wager that Spencer gets screwed like Noland, Greta and Tucker?

[Alfonso]

Just because they are of the same type, doesn't mean Bayleef and Sceptile should interact. When it comes to what Pokemon I want to see interact, I go by personality, not type, and certainly not any fluffy hope that Bayleef has a crush on Sceptile.

Bayleef would p*ss Sceptile off, if anything, imo.

...

Tucker was screwed up? They had him appear as fabulously as they did in the games, and his referee was rather fabulous looking himself. I mean, did you SEE his outfit?

They didn't screw up Tucker at all. :<

[The Big Al]

If anything, they screwed up with Lucy the most. I wanted freaky snake lady but got...that. Though her group of hot girls made up for it...partially.

[ghost master]

If anything, they screwed up with Lucy the most. I wanted freaky snake lady but got...that. Though her group of hot girls made up for it...partially. Not really. Only two brains really stick out in my memory. Noland because of Articuno and he was the 1st brain and lucy because she was unique and had a fun episode.

[ChaosMage]

Sceptile/Heracross... could it be that a flimsy little handshake all those episodes ago was foreshadowing something?

[Aldrius]

I definetly want to see Sceptile/Heracross double battle. =3 That'd rock.

Question: Can Ash lose? I mean, really... they have to keep moving because of May's contests. o.O So can they afford to spend 'training time'?

[CyberCubed]

Who says he needs to spend time training if he loses?

Remember how the writers did it back in Kanto and Johto? If Ash lost a Gym battle, he'd just re-challenge the Gym leader in the very next episode and win.

If he loses to Spenser there doesn't have to be a training arc ala Dewford, he'll just go right back ala Whitney/Blaine and win.

[Aldrius]

Heh, I completely forgot it only took them one episode to re-train for gym-battles back in Kanto/Johto. Silly me.

[jolteonjak]

Sceptile/Heracross fight would rock! As long as that combo produced a win (I don't want to see them fail). The only way I'd want to see Ash lose is if they used the in-game rules. Otherwise, I don't care.

Oh and again, Crobat (let's see a shiny one too...) for the win!!!

[Aldrius]

Hah. I can just see it now.

"Jeez, Heracross and Sceptile lost? I knew I should have borrowed May's Squirtle and used Pikachu!!"

Yes, that'd be awesome.

Eh, on the subject of the game rules... I'm not sure. I think the Jungle makes it more probable. It could be one of these things where the trainer release their pokemon into a jungle or something, and then they fight... I think that'd work. But! Judging from the fact that the only battle-rules that were KINDA kept were Noland's, I doubt we'll see this. Eh.

-Aldrius ;230;

[intergalactic platypus]

Tucker was screwed up? They had him appear as fabulously as they did in the games, and his referee was rather fabulous looking himself. I mean, did you SEE his outfit?

They didn't screw up Tucker at all. :<
Tucker had more masculine features in the anime I thought. And he didn't look quite as fabulous as Harley, even though I think he should have appeared as the biggest flamer in pokemon history

[ShadowDragon]

So, although I'ld love to see Sceptile(if Grovyle evolves) and Heracross, what about Ash using Noctowl? Hasen't been seen in just as long, and it could also work in a jungle battle. Sometime I'ld love to see Ash using Swellow and Noctowl in a double battle. That'ld be awesome.

[Kabuto]

Grovyle did evolve, it was confirmed. Noctowl and Swellow sounds like an interesting combination, and I do hope to see Noctowl used in the near future. Sceptile and Heracross just seems more like a jungle combination to me.

[Alfonso]

Grovyle did evolve, it was confirmed. Noctowl and Swellow sounds like an interesting combination, and I do hope to see Noctowl used in the near future. Sceptile and Heracross just seems more like a jungle combination to me.

No, Grovyle *is* going to evolve, not did evolve. It hasn't happened yet. o_O

[The Benmeister]

Maybe Ash could withdraw Bayleef which evolves mid-battle. *Is shot*

Sceptile is an obvious choice for battle. On his team possibly Swellow and Donphan could fit in with the theme, if not then Heracross will be the best bet.

Or they could suprise me and make me the happiest person on Earth by getting him to use Bulbasaur! That would be interesting.

[DEMONCAMERUPT]

maybe it'll be like aginst Adan (Is that how you spell his name?) and be a five on five match then i could see Ash's team being: Swellow, Sceptile, Bulbasaur, Donphan and Heracross or maybe instead of Swellow then Noctowl Prehaps.

[intergalactic platypus]

...Why on Earth would Ash battle Adan at the Battle frontier? And all this time I thought Adan was a gym leader

[jolteonjak]

He said "like the battle with Adan." Not that I'd object to more screentime for Adan.

[intergalactic platypus]

Oh I see [feelsslow]. Well five on five would certainly be interesting

[Gravy]

Out of curiousity, does anyone think they'll actually bother to explain why Spenser has Kyogre's markings tatooed over his body or why he weilds a Kyogre-esque staff? I wouldn't be surprised if they completely ignored that aspect, but it seems odd to have him associated with said pokémon and not mention anything about it, ne?

[Korobooshi Kojiro]

......HE DOES? Seriously, I have never noticed that about him at all, but don't all three of the "Weather" ledgendarys have the same pattern?

You know what would be cool, if the trainers let their Pokemon run through a dangerous Jungle with traps battling by themselves. A "most dangerous game"

[JazzJazz]

You know what would be cool, if the trainers let their Pokemon run through a dangerous Jungle with traps battling by themselves. A "most dangerous game"

This wouldn't really test the trainers though, would it?

[Aldrius]

Yes it would, they raised the pokemon after all.

-Aldrius ;230;

[~*Myuu the Ryuu*~]

Out of curiousity, does anyone think they'll actually bother to explain why Spenser has Kyogre's markings tatooed over his body or why he weilds a Kyogre-esque staff? I wouldn't be surprised if they completely ignored that aspect, but it seems odd to have him associated with said pokémon and not mention anything about it, ne?
http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=102213&highlight=spenser

i made that thread :)

[Volt Tackle]

I hope Ash gets to cream Spenser. Spenser calls you weak when you lose to him in the game (and I lost to him because my Blaziken didn't use Sky Uppercut on Slaking the first time, everyone else was KO'd). Wise old man my ***, more like old cranky man to me.

And besides Grovyle has a great chance of evolving in this coming epsiode, and newly evoled (or caught) pokemon end up battling in the next important battle. What justice will they have making Sceptile lose?

[Yamato-san]

yes, with Juptor's expected evolution, and a good possibility he may come through learning a new technique in "Dawn of Revival", it seems like the guy's getting too much build-up to so suddenly get his aas kicked. But if they suddenly pulled a Takeshi/Machisu/Natsume/Katsura/Akane/Touki and made Satoshi lose this before having a rematch, though highly unlikely, would be quite a surprise.

But still, to all these people who want Satoshi to suffer a loss in the Battle Frontier, there's a reason why I don't think it'll happen, a reason apart from the Battle Frontier being in a rush at the moment. For one thing, if he lost just once, do you think Enishida would still take interest in him challenging the Frontier? Plus, he's a very experienced trainer at this point, with very powerful Pokemon in his team, it is understandable if he manages several victories in a row. I don't think he's pulled off any extremely cheap victories in a while that's worth redemption, neither, like Haruka (who's still somewhat of a rookie, this being her second region).

[The Doctor]

[QUOTE=Benmeister2]Maybe Ash could withdraw Bayleef which evolves mid-battle. *Is shot*QUOTE]

Oh yeah, except Sceptile might get the hots for Meganium again! I think that the jungle is used with treetops and the ground. But there are traps on the ground and the trees constantly change. That's just me though.

[Sceptile Warrior]

I think that in the battle Ash will use Sceptile(obviously) but I think he will borrow another oak pokemon. I'm sure we all realized that in every frontier battle he has used different pokemon and he has used every single one of the pokemon in his current roster. The pokemon he borrows would have to be suitable for a jungle environment. So maybe a pokemon like Heracross, and Noctowl.

[jeng jeng]

My best bet is ash will ethier lose to anbal or spencer

[Sceptile Warrior]

Why don't you guys just face the fact already that Ash is not Going to Lose Any Frontier battles. When he came in 8th position in the hoenn league he was told to go to the Battle Frontier to help boost his skills. He is not going to lose any battles can't you guys just accept that. He is not going to keep losing one battle every season he keeps getter better and better so you guys need to stop saying retarded things like that.

[Sceptile Warrior]

If the battle palace keeps the rules of the game and puts it into the anime, then we all know what that means don't we. We all know that Grovyle(well Sceptile now) has a lonely nature right well if you look at list of natures on the main page. If a pokemon has a lonely nature it attack rises but its defense lowers. Also in the game pokemon with a lonely nature they don't use attacks when their health is low but only use support attacks. So if these rules are kept Ash and his sceptile will have a problem.

[Alastor DMc]

slow down, turbo. First, you're double posting, second, you've said like 3 different things in your 3 posts (which are all on top of eachother) so just chill and wait for a reply.

Now then, I have to agree that if Ash were to lose, Scott would probably lose interest in him, however, Scott chose a trainer who only came in 8th in the hoenn league, when he could have chosen the 4th, 2nd or 1st place winners instead. He may expect/understand a loss.

[Korobooshi Kojiro]

DO I even have to say why Scott is interested in Ash?^.^


You know what would be cool, Sceptile and Heracross vs Slaking and Crobat.

[V Faction]

DO I even have to say why Scott is interested in Ash?^.^


You know what would be cool, Sceptile and Heracross vs Slaking and Crobat.
Sceptile and Heracross vs Anything

Can't go wrong with that.

[Flamez]

yeah sceptile and heracross would be a damn good team. You know after watching the tropius vs. grovle episode, it was really nice to see grovyle win by himself with no ash around. If they do keep the rules of the palace Sceptile could battle without ash since it has proven already that it can do so.

[JazzJazz]

If they do keep the rules of the palace Sceptile could battle without ash since it has proven already that it can do so.

Has it? From the look of things at the moment, sceptile can't battle at all... with or without Ash.

[GreenKirby]

Has it? From the look of things at the moment, sceptile can't battle at all... with or without Ash.

The episode before this one is going to fix that dilemma.

[Gravy]

Sceptile and Heracross vs Anything

Can't go wrong with that.
Cap'n Spenser sir! The Charizards are ready for launch! Shall I prepare the Arcanines?

[Rudoku]

Cap'n Spenser sir! The Charizards are ready for launch! Shall I prepare the Arcanines?
More like "prepare the Crobat". Sceptile needs to be in this thing, and hell, Muk could use some use if they don't want to use Heracross (an underused pokemon that's actually GOOD).

[Wind Waker]

I'd like to see slaking be in spencer's team only if it wasn't his "Tough"one. because Ash has already defeated a slaking before, with a grovyle. and with a sceptile he probably won't loose. Like before Ash had beaten A Milotic with Pikachu, and then again, he beat another milotic with pikachu.

So I recoon the episode could swing both ways, lol.

[V Faction]

Cap'n Spenser sir! The Charizards are ready for launch! Shall I prepare the Arcanines?
ROFL, Gravy. You truly are the greatest mind.

More like "prepare the Crobat". Sceptile needs to be in this thing, and hell, Muk could use some use if they don't want to use Heracross (an underused pokemon that's actually GOOD).
....And there goes that jovial high.

[CyberCubed]

Cap'n Spenser sir! The Charizards are ready for launch! Shall I prepare the Arcanines?

Gravy, that has to be the funniest thing I've read here in the last couple of months. You are a genius. :D

[Sceptile Warrior]

Speaking of heracross i noticed in the episode summary of the johto episode when ash was battling gary it says that heracross used flash to defeat Magmar but i tried to teach my heracross that move but it did not work so it cannot be flash. Will somebody please email serebii this and tell him that maybe it was megahorn instead.

[£añkaÑ]

Speaking of heracross i noticed in the episode summary of the johto episode when ash was battling gary it says that heracross used flash to defeat Magmar but i tried to teach my heracross that move but it did not work so it cannot be flash. Will somebody please email serebii this and tell him that maybe it was megahorn instead.

u are a BEGINNING TRAINER...lol

i wouldn't start becoming big and stuff...already

why DON'T U TRY that...and UR OFF TOPIC

anyway...

i'd say the obviously Sceptile, and one more would have to be in my choice Bulabsaur...

it'd be a great match if those two work together...

but obviously going to be another type...

[Sceptile Warrior]

Why don't you shut the **** up you *******

[Heracross]

Now now, there's no need to resort to asterisks. It's common knowledge that the episode guides aren't always accurate, but this really isn't the place for that. :/

[V Faction]

Why don't you shut the **** up you *******
Time for MadLibs!

"Why don't you shut the poop up you zebra!"

I always did stick to using gross words as a kid.

[greta_lover]

Chances are, I think Ash will win this battle and that he'll use his Sceptile.

[The Doctor]

Maybe this will episode will have two battles like the Lt.Surge ep. First Ash loses, because Sceptile has trouble pulling off it's moves, then he trains it so it masters it, then he kicks Spenser' s ancient you-know-what.

[ghost master]

Maybe this will episode will have two battles like the Lt.Surge ep. First Ash loses, because Sceptile has trouble pulling off it's moves, then he trains it so it masters it, then he kicks Spenser' s ancient you-know-what. Why would Ash choose Sceptile if it cant do any attacks especially when the episode before that we already know Ash is going to help cure Sceptile.

[Sceptile Warrior]

ghostmaster because whenever ash cathes a new pokemon or one of his pokemon evolves he ALWAYS uses it in the next gym battle or in this case frontier battle. Also Sceptile is the only pokemon on ash's current roster that has not won a fair battle.

[JazzJazz]

Why would Ash choose Sceptile if it cant do any attacks especially when the episode before that we already know Ash is going to help cure Sceptile.

I'm quite sure that sceptile will redeem itself quite soon and the Battle Palace seems like the perfect opportunity for the writers/animators to have sceptile show off its new strength.

[ghost master]

ghostmaster because whenever ash cathes a new pokemon or one of his pokemon evolves he ALWAYS uses it in the next gym battle or in this case frontier battle. Also Sceptile is the only pokemon on ash's current roster that has not won a fair battle. Yes but, he wouldn't choose it if it couldnt do any moves at all. I was also saying that the scenario isnt likely since in the episode prior Ash tries to cure Sceptile thats why it would be unlikely for the scenario you proposed to happen.

[Sceptile Warrior]

Yes, that is true but the upcoming episode after the contest episode says Sceptile!Dawn of Revival! so by revival it could mean that its moves are revived.

[greta_lover]

I have to agree on that.

[V Faction]

I have to agree on that.
BE QUIET ALREADY! Stop making so much spam.

[greta_lover]

okay, don't need to spazz.

[ChaosMage]

okay, don't need to spazz.

okay, don't need to spam.

Sceptile VS Slaking does seem like the most popular potential match-up, and I have to agree. But Crobat could pose a problem, if that is the other pokemon. It's possible that Sceptile has its moment of glory beating Slaking, loses to Crobat, and the second pokemon (Pikachu?) also loses to Crobat, so Ash can come back for a rematch against Crobat with a different pokemon (Glalie perhaps?)

[DEMONCAMERUPT]

okay, don't need to spam.

Sceptile VS Slaking does seem like the most popular potential match-up, and I have to agree. But Crobat could pose a problem, if that is the other pokemon. It's possible that Sceptile has its moment of glory beating Slaking, loses to Crobat, and the second pokemon (Pikachu?) also loses to Crobat, so Ash can come back for a rematch against Crobat with a different pokemon (Glalie perhaps?)

i like the idea but instead of Glalie beating Crobat in rematch use Torkoal for the job.

[greta_lover]

I heard that Spenser will have a Venusaur in that ep.

[John's Knight]

I heard that Spenser will have a Venusaur in that ep.

Well, it is confirmed that Spencer has a Venasaur, or maybe it's a friend, can't recall...maybe it will be one of his battle pokemon...
Slaking VS Sceptile seems an excelent battle! Hope it will be something like that!

[rjendo]

I wonder if Ash will leave Sceptile to train with Spenser like he did with Charizard.

[Leon]

given that spencer has a venasaur , i think he might use that and slaking, but thats my opinion. i think ash will use heracross, but a pidgeot comeback would fit in niceley with the jungle theme.
final predictions for the match, a sceptile/venasaur dual.

[nameless]

I wonder if Ash will leave Sceptile to train with Spenser like he did with Charizard.

That really wouldn't make sense at all.

Ash hasn't done that in ages and he pretty much sends his pokemon back to Oaks for studying.

Not to mention how stupid it would be as well and again, wouldn't make sense.

[Addydo]

That really wouldn't make sense at all.

Ash hasn't done that in ages and he pretty much sends his pokemon back to Oaks for studying.

Not to mention how stupid it would be as well and again, wouldn't make sense.

Exactly! ;munchlax;

[JazzJazz]

i think ash will use heracross, but a pidgeot comeback would fit in niceley with the jungle theme.

While either of those would be nice, I'm inclined to think that it's just a bit of wishful thinking... the writers would never be that kind to us.

[ghost master]

While either of those would be nice, I'm inclined to think that it's just a bit of wishful thinking... the writers would never be that kind to us. I dunno this saga they've been doing something people have wanted to happen. Such as old pokes coming back grovyle and donphan evolving. Mudkip getting more screentime and eventualy evolving. Eevee learning shadow ball. Anyway I'd like to see the battle be a 4 vs. 4 or at the least a 3 vs 3 but, I think I'm hoping to much. If it was only going to be two pokemon it would be slaking and venusaur.

[Alfonso]

I dunno this saga they've been doing something people have wanted to happen. Such as old pokes coming back grovyle and donphan evolving. Mudkip getting more screentime and eventualy evolving. Eevee learning shadow ball. Anyway I'd like to see the battle be a 4 vs. 4 or at the least a 3 vs 3 but, I think I'm hoping to much. If it was only going to be two pokemon it would be slaking and venusaur.

Those old Pokes being ones that most of us have frankly had enough of. Charizard appearing again wasn't really a popular choice in these circles, and Snorlax just delivered the same old, same old in the Greta battle. Both of them appearing again wasn't really anything to care, or get excited about.

Eevee learning Shadow Ball is actually a bad thing. No build up to learning the attack, it seems. Apart from lazy 'off screen' references to it, I mean.

[V Faction]

Anyway I'd like to see the battle be a 4 vs. 4 or at the least a 3 vs 3 but, I think I'm hoping to much. If it was only going to be two pokemon it would be slaking and venusaur.
Something in my gut tells me it might turn out to be a 1 vs 1 match.

But I don't bother listening to my gut. Not since Vegas.

Those old Pokes being ones that most of us have frankly had enough of. Charizard appearing again wasn't really a popular choice in these circles, and Snorlax just delivered the same old, same old in the Greta battle. Both of them appearing again wasn't really anything to care, or get excited about.
Those two were almost expected. Ash's 2 top leveled Pokemon? Forget creative Pokies like Noctowl or Cyndaquil, we need dem two!

And they have that Deus Ex feeling to them. You know when Charizard or Snorlax is pulled into battle that they're gonna win! And then Ash cheers and the crowd cheers and I die a little inside....

[MagicBox]

I wonder if Ash will leave Sceptile to train with Spenser like he did with Charizard.I'm hoping that he won't. If Ash just dumps Sceptile off two episodes after he gets it, then that would only give the impression that Ash is a lazy trainer who doesn't care enough about his Pokemon to work with them until they're stronger. Plus, with Sceptile's sudden need for training, Ash won't let another person take care of it.

[JazzJazz]

with Sceptile's sudden need for training, Ash won't let another person take care of it.

I don't know if it has a big need for training, it's just got to regain its ability to use its techniques and I assume that this will be accomplished in the episode prior to this one.

[Nintendo Theatre]

given that spencer has a venasaur , i think he might use that and slaking, but thats my opinion. i think ash will use heracross...

Me too, I don't know why but at school today I was thinking of this ep. and got an idea of what I hope happens.

Basically, the episode would start out with Ash training, prepping for the battle with Spenser and he decides that he wants to use Sceptile and Donphan. Sadly though, Donphan injures itself during the training and while at the Pokecenter, Ash gets a call from Oak suggesting that he brings one of the Pokemon from the lab into the fight with Spenser, and while thinking about the enviornment he'll be in he gets Heracross back from the lab.

The battle begins with Scott, Brock, May, Max, and Ash's injured Donphan in the stands and Spenser reveals that the battle will be double battle, with a twist. Neither trainer can tell their pokemon what to do, they have to use their moves on thier own. The battle begins and after a while both Sceptile and Heracross are about to lose, but then while both are lying on the ground after being attacked by Venusaur and Slaking, Sceptile and Heracross grab eachothers hands and get up. Then the duo performs a miraculous comeback and Ash wins his symbol.

Good, eh?

[Almighty Zard]

Me too, I don't know why but at school today I was thinking of this ep. and got an idea of what I hope happens.

Basically, the episode would start out with Ash training, prepping for the battle with Spenser and he decides that he wants to use Sceptile and Donphan. Sadly though, Donphan injures itself during the training and while at the Pokecenter, Ash gets a call from Oak suggesting that he brings one of the Pokemon from the lab into the fight with Spenser, and while thinking about the enviornment he'll be in he gets Heracross back from the lab.

The battle begins with Scott, Brock, May, Max, and Ash's injured Donphan in the stands and Spenser reveals that the battle will be double battle, with a twist. Neither trainer can tell their pokemon what to do, they have to use their moves on thier own. The battle begins and after a while both Sceptile and Heracross are about to lose, but then while both are lying on the ground after being attacked by Venusaur and Slaking, Sceptile and Heracross grab eachothers hands and get up. Then the duo performs a miraculous comeback and Ash wins his symbol.

Good, eh?

not bad(personally i think Donphan will ve sent back to the lab soon perminantly but that is just me.) only i think alot of us are expecting a one on one grass match between Sceptile and Venusaur, which ain't gonna be good unless there is some "neck" attacking like the Bulbasaur/Megainium match for Jouto he he he...... and Vfaction i wouldn't mind seeing Noctowl coming back, but if Cyndaquil or Totodile are ever brought back out for some action then they had better evolve into Quilava and Craconaw or there ain't no real point in them coming back at all.

[ZoraJolteon]

Spencer has Venusaur, Sceptile and Claydol.
Ash has Sceptile, Swellow and Heracross. Yayness!

[Gravy]

Spencer has Venusaur, Sceptile and Claydol.
Ash has Sceptile, Swellow and Heracross. Yayness!
I'm still not entirely thrilled with that Venusaur slipping in there, but in any case...*salivates to the max*

A Sceptile vs. Sceptile grudge match or a Heracross vs. Sceptile bout? Those are the options for 'Big Final Struggle' I'm guessing.
On one hand they can have the newly evolved Sceptile steal the victory and prove itself in battle. On the other hand, they can give the gold to Heracross, in which is sure to be one of the very few battles in his sap-sucking life, and save a big victory for Sceptile on a later date.
Either way, its a win/win situation here. 3 powerhouses vs. 3 powerhouses? Yays and Hoorays indeed!

One question Zora. Assuming you've seen the preview...was the animation looking any good?

[Nintendo Theatre]

Spencer has Venusaur, Sceptile and Claydol.
Ash has Sceptile, Swellow and Heracross! Yayness!

WTF! OMG!

THANK YOU LORD!

When was this revealed! WOW! Perfect, perfect, perfect!

I'm hoping for a Swellow vs. Claydol, Sceptile vs. Sceptile and Heracross vs. Venusaur. I just have a vision of Heracross throwing Venusaur into the air wiht his horn and then, using his fighting abilities to the fullest, pummels Venusaur for the win.

[CyberCubed]

I would have liked Spenser to have a Slaking instead of Sceptile...sheesh.

But hey, I can't complain. This is still good, even though the lineup could have been slightly better.

[Shadowcat]

Same here CyberCubed...

And I was the one who predicted Heracross coming into this... People were discussing who would be in the battle and I just randomly shouted out Bulbasuar, Bayleef and Heracross at the top of my mouth... Well... ChaosMage and I both predicted this...

Anyways, Spenser owns a Secptile? I'd rather let him have a Slaking instead...

[boLd NinJa{Koga's Son}]

No..... I was looking forward to see him with a Crobat, like in the game and the manga....

;169;

[V Faction]

Heracross: +

Sceptile: +

Swellow: =

Venusaur: -

Sceptile: =

Claydol: +

[jolteonjak]

Agreed. I prefer Crobat to an opposing Sceptile and Slaking to another freakin Venusaur (c'mon Ash fought one in Orange Islands...).

Needless to say one of my favorite pokemon of Ash's is making a return to action. This could be dubbed "Love, Jungle Style," and I would still probably want to see this episode.

[Serebii]

So...because Ash battled a certain Pokémon a fair while ago means that he shouldnt be allowed to battle another?

[V Faction]

So...because Ash battled a certain Pokémon a fair while ago means that he shouldnt be allowed to battle another?
I guess not. But who said that? Are we referring to Tetsuya's Sceptile?

[Nintendo Theatre]

I guess not. But who said that? Are we referring to Tetsuya's Sceptile?

I don't know. Either him or Venusaur (Salaryman's)

[V Faction]

Trouble is Ash didn't battle his Venusaur. And that's what I'm getting at.

[jolteonjak]

No, what I'm referring to is Ash's battle against Drake's Venusaur..."Hello Pummelo."

The point I'm getting at is I'd rather see Ash battle a variety of Pokemon. I know how angry people were when Tucker displayed an Arcanine...

[V Faction]

Ah, I do see that now in your post.

In that case.... it's a tad extreme don't you think? Arcanine is far worse because Gary has Arcanine, Morrison had Growlithe in the Hoenn league, Arcanine had been represented in a filler not too long ago before the Tucker episode, James has a Growlithe, tons of Jenny have tons of Growlithe... So the line has been over-represented.

Venusaur is still pretty bad but it doesn't reach Arcaninedom yet.

[jolteonjak]

So it seems Venusaur is Spenser's best. The way I see it (based on Zora's typo below) is Swellow v. Claydol, Heracross v. Shiftry, and Sceptile v. Venusaur.

[ZoraJolteon]

Ooops. I appear to have typo'd. Spencer has Shiftry, not Sceptile.

*ph33rs retribution*

[V Faction]

Haha, what a typo then! So it's 100% for sure that Spenser has Shiftry and not Sceptile? How exquisite!

To speak some truth, I wasn't too happy about seeing Sceptile. And a Sceptile vs. Sceptile match would not have helped much either. But Shiftry is a much more classy bargin.

Though Tetsuya DID have one in the Hoenn League...

[Leon]

finally i predict something and its true. anyways swellow v shiftry, heracross v claydol and sceptile v venasaur
in depth= swellow narrowly defeats shiftry, and the is psychiced out by claydol. heracross comes out and uses Megahorn to K.O claydol. when venasaur comes out ash orders another megahorn, whitch throws venasaur into the air, but it recovers mid air and counters with a frenzy plant k.oing hera. sceptile comes out, and uses a slam. venusaur counters with a body slam, which sceptile narrowly dodges it. sceptile then uses leaf blade, and does a large portion of damage to venusaur. venusaur uses razor leaf dealing bad damage to sceptile. ash is then stunned when sceptile uses a dragon claw of its own accord, winnig the match. note thats what i think/want to happen.

[IMPERIAL DRAGON]

I’m incredibly impressed with this line up actually, it’s awesome to have an action packed 3 VS 3 battle with great pokemon, and I’m quite relieved that Spenser doesn’t have another Sceptile… sure, I wouldn’t have complained because I’m a huge fan of any Sceptile, but it would have ruined the novelty of Ash’s. The return of Heracross is a spectacular decision too, I imagine he’ll reap the bounty with a fair few victories, most likely taking out Claydol and Shiftry or something. Anyway, a quick prediction, I reckon it’ll pan out like:

Swellow VS Claydol: Swellow struggles and gets recalled.
Heracross VS Claydol: Megahorn to hell methinks, Claydol faints.
Swellow VS Shiftry: Swellow gains the advantage and wins.
Swellow/ Heracross VS Venusaur: They both get taken out.
Sceptile VS Venusaur: The overgrown green gecko gets the glory and retains his pride.

Predictable I suppose, but I’ve always wanted to chuck fuel on the wild fire of random speculation ;)

[Thriller]

I don't see how Claydol is a jungle Pokemon. I would have preferred seeing Slaking myself.

Ash's team was predictable, I guess Tauros could have been used but Ash just has those Tauros to show off.

[Torkoal Stu]

Spencer has Venusaur, Sceptile and Claydol.
Ash has Sceptile, Swellow and Heracross. Yayness!
Thank god for no Slaking, I so did not want a Norman repeat. Yay for Heracross though, my hopes for Tauros comming back are increasing, maybe Muk and Kingler too. I mean they have been out of Oak's before as has Heracross (for the Johto league) but you know, get back Ash's oldies writters.

But Cyndaquil, Totodile, Bulbasaur and Bayleef for all I care can just rot at Oak's, I mean they got enough show time when it was their region they really dont need a come back, well Cyndaquil to evolve maybe but you know I dont mind either way. As for Glalie well he did get alot of show time in the time he had with Ash, so I wouldn't mind it returning it's just, poor Snorunt. And Noctowl well yeah bring back Noct' :O

I think my opinion on Torkoal is spoken for.

But this should be very interesting indeed. But Shiftry, I mean Hoenn League Shiftry was the best, since it was beaten by the 'Tork that puts the Tork in Torkoal. [/kinda obsessed]

Apart from that wow things are speeding up like hell, at first it was filler after filler now we're even lucky if we get 2/3 in a row before something big happens, lol.

[V Faction]

But this should be very interesting indeed. But Shiftry, I mean Hoenn League Shiftry was the best, since it was beaten by the 'Tork that puts the Tork in Torkoal. [/kinda obsessed]
To your credit, your Username IS 'Torkoal Stu'.

You not liking Torkoal would be like Disco Stu not liking disco!


I don't see how Claydol is a jungle Pokemon. I would have preferred seeing Slaking myself.
Slaking had the Petalburg Gym and Claydol had 'Big&Tall' and the Grand Festival. So maybe it was Slaking's time to shine again.

[Swellow]

I only predicted Herca told that to Heracross on AIM the other day(Mine from Colosseum is a Gal and that's her nickname :) ). to return and obviously Sceptile. As for Swellow yay! at least it's not the VoltRodent. Actually i know it would sound weird but i would have liked it for Bulbasaur would doubt it or Bayleaf to return for this battle in place of Swellow. Weird because of two grass types.

[Pokeballs]

Ohh ok Shiftry makes a lot more sense to me :p thx for the update

ya i guess we did see a shiftry in the league but that episode had just about the worst animation out there... if this shiftry is anything like the one from it's debut or the ninja episode i'll be happy

and heracross = yesss

[CyberCubed]

So...because Ash battled a certain Pokémon a fair while ago means that he shouldnt be allowed to battle another?

Nah, it's just that May just battled a Venusaur in a Contest not too long ago.

So just because May had to battle the Salaryman and his Venusaur, now Ash has to battle Spenser and his Venusaur?

My guess is we'll see Frenzy Plant yet again, and at least this segment will be a repeat performance of May Vs. Venusaur a few weeks ago.

[Jikkle]

Well getting to see Heracross will make this episode worthwhile as long he's not one of those one hit KOed pokemon. Hopefully they give him some good screen time and a new move that bails Ash out or something.

Now all we need is a good Mukk and Kingler episode and I'll give the writers their kudos for making the best saga since Kanto. :D

[Infinite Master Sceptile]

Holy crap yes! Heracross gets a battle! WHOOOHOOO!!!!!
And Skeppy gets much glory. This makes IMS joyful indeed.

[.Bambi.]

Ookey, Spenser's Team...me no likie D:

Hey writers! Remember that Region filled with awesome Pokemon sandwiched between your seemingly favored regions Kanto and Hoenn? No, not the Orange Islands. JOHTO.
I'm seriously hating the lack of Johto Pokemon the Brains have. I was looking forward to the Battle Frontier Saga to see powerful trainers wield the likes of Umbreon, Shuckle, and Crobat >.>

Venusaur/Shiftry/Claydol has got to be the WORST Brain Team so far. Me wantie Slaking and Crobat, demmit!
At least Sceptile and Heracross will be battling in this. Sceptile needs to get back on track, and Heracross is an awesome but hideously underused Pokemon. Swellow is always welcome too, but it's Sceptile and Heracross that need the glory at the moment.

Guess we'll have to wait until the Preview comes up to have a look-see...

[brightlies]

i just read on bulbapedia that spenser has spectile not shiftry


im soo confused

[.Bambi.]

i just read on bulbapedia that spenser has spectile not shiftry


im soo confused
So THAT'S why ZoraJolteon corrected his statement because it was merely a typo. And THAT'S why everything in this Thread thus far has been about Shiftry and not Sceptile...

I'm confused as well...

[ghost master]

Satoshi-tachi have arrived at the Battle Palace, the Fifth Battle Frontier facility. Immediately, Satoshi, who challenges Ukon to a Pokémon Battle, accepts a strange proposal from Ukon. (something about a jungle spreading out in the Battle Palace, I think...)

I remember it being said that the entire island was convered in a jungle area. Although Woopert said that we will probally get better ones from dogasu. So yeah. I guess I'm going to be one of the few to complain that Ash is using Swellow again. I have nothing against it but, I would want to see as many pokemon from Oak's as possible. I was rather annoyed that we saw Grovyle battle at the arena but, all along they were planning to evolve it and be used again. Although I wouldve prefered crobat and slaking this isnt bad. We never saw good battles out of claydol or shiftry. One complaint is seeing venusaur again but, that was obvious from the previous episode.

[Flamez]

Ok just got back from school, wuts up people?
Definetly not disappointed about ash using heracross, actually very very happy. Sceptile and swellow is a plus also, gota see sceptile in action and well swellow is just damn amazing.
Venasaur well ehh as many have already said is not something great. Shiftry definetly nice, and claydol is good too IMO. I actually like the fact that this is the first 3 on 3 battle and not a 2 on 2 or a double battle.
Looking forward to next week.

[The Benmeister]

Hey writers! Remember that Region filled with awesome Pokemon sandwiched between your seemingly favored regions Kanto and Hoenn? No, not the Orange Islands. JOHTO.
I'm seriously hating the lack of Johto Pokemon the Brains have. I was looking forward to the Battle Frontier Saga to see powerful trainers wield the likes of Umbreon, Shuckle, and Crobat >.>

Well, Hoenn is the most recent region, and Kanto is the region they're currently in, so that might be why. Nonetheless, I agree with you fully. Although plenty of them are featured in the contests, we really need some brains with Johto Pokemon sometimes soon (although only two more chances are left for that to happen).

As for Spenser's Team...
Venusaur - Cool, I suppose. We did just recently see one, I know, but hey - it evolves from the greatest Pokemon ever so that's gotta count for something.
Shiftry - Great if it performed with abilities similar to the Shiftry in the ninja episode.
Claydol - Always good to see a massive construct with many eyes in battle.

And Ash's?
Swellow - More of the all mighty bird.
Sceptile - We finally get to see it in action. Let's only hope that it does good!
Heracross - ALL HAIL HERACROSS!

[jolteonjak]

Heracross - ALL HAIL HERACROSS!


Seriously. I'm really hoping for a kick-butt battle here. I never really took any of the crap the writers sometimes put out offensively, but that'll change if Heracross' reputation is tarnished.

[Heracross]

Holy hell.

I really didn't think they would do it... I am at a loss for words.

This is going to be fscking awesome.

[Gravy]

So now he has a Shiftry eh?
...Y'know, I think I'm just going to give up on the Frontier Brains having originallity in their teams, and focus more on what Ash intends to use in combat.

Though in Spenser's defence, Claydol is actually a decent decision for an opponent, despite the fact that its the most likely pokémon to be taken down first. IIRC, we've never actually seen an accurate interpritation of Claydol's battle skills. I'm not willing to count the infamous uber huge Claydol or Robert's battling friend.
Cosmic Power/Ancient Power/Rock Tomb/Explosion/Psychic. Please?

[elementalknight]

I just hope Ash doesn't try and teach his Sceptile frenzy plant beacause one of Spenser's grass pokemon knows the move. That kind of thing happed way to much in Hoenn for my liking.

I was really hoping to see Slaking and Crobat in this episode.

[Rudoku]

I just hope Ash doesn't try and teach his Sceptile frenzy plant beacause one of Spenser's grass pokemon knows the move. That kind of thing happed way to much in Hoenn for my liking.

I was really hoping to see Slaking and Crobat in this episode.
Sceptile doesn't learn it in the games, so why would they try to do it in the anime? Now Bayleef, that's the one to watch out for.

[GreenKirby]

Darn, I would have liked Spenser alot if he had a Sceptile. Oh well.

And Heracross returns, too sweet.

[V Faction]

Sceptile doesn't learn it in the games, so why would they try to do it in the anime? Now Bayleef, that's the one to watch out for.
Ho-ho! We must be careful. These masterminds might just surprise the **** out of us and hand over something that doesn't belong.

[Flamez]

Saw the preview,
Swellow dodging the vine whip attack looks very nice.
Claydol using hyper beam, heracross face to face with venasaur.
Shiftry vs. Sceptile something i have wanted always, you guys can even check my previous posts if you want. Ever since treeko battled shiftry in hoenn episode i've always wanted a rematch. Sceptile is also seen battling claydol. Man cant really predict whats going to happen guess i will just have to wait.

[V Faction]

Venasaur: Looks like your standard Vine Whip and Razor Leaf

Shiftry: Shadow Ball again. I blame Shiftry's shitty (Hah hah, alliteration) move pool. And maybe Quick Attack.

Claydol: Now here we have Sir Busts-a-Move-A-Lot. Double-barreled Hyper Beam (yawn!), Psybeam, Rapid Spin, and Sandstorm from the looks of it. Might be Spenser's signature Pokemon instead of Venusaur, but you never know how these battles may pan out.

EDIT: And I swear, Sceptile using double-bladed Leaf Blade will never get old.

[Haunter Hunter Sohrab]

The preview was pretty cool but I've still got those annoying still images.
Seems to me that Sceptile is going to be the star of this battle. I hope Heracross manages to atleast take down Venasaur.

[CyberCubed]

Jeez, Swellow and Heracross got a single 2 second scene in the preview and the rest of it focuses on Sceptile.

Guess we know which of Ash's Pokemon will win it for him. I know people are going to be angry if Heracross gets beaten easily, or in fact doesn't even take down at least one of Spenser's Pokemon.

So by default, Swellow better get its *** kicked. That way Heracross can have a decent win or two, and Sceptile will claim the crown at the end.

[Heracross]

That would be ideal. After all, Oosubame did claim victory in the Hiisu battle, so losing this time around wouldn't be disappointing.

[RaikousThunder]

Cool Heracross returns and in a perfect setting for it. Ash picked good pokemon for this battle. Spencer's pokemon are alright. I would have liked to have seen Slaking, even though i dont like it much and Crobat who needs some more battle action. Heracross needs to knock out atleast one of Spencer's pokemon, thats all i want. Sceptile being the focus of this battle is fine with me. This is the third ep featuring Ash's Sceptile. Since he regained his moves of course the writers are going to show him off in this ep. Sceptile looks so awesome, i dont care what anyone says. Venusaur could use a different moveset, or atleast some surprising, cool looking move. If we're going to keep seeing it atleast make it slightly different. If Sceptile didnt learn a new move in the last ep(I dont know since i havent seen it) it might learn one in this ep. I can see it doing something new while its surrounded by Sandstorm. But it might just pull of one of those miracle powered up normal moves. Spencer seems like a neat character. Why are he and Ash running together? This match also looks like it takes place in more than one setting, not just on the normal battlefield.

[Almighty Zard]

i think this is gonna be the first ever "moving" battle we've seen since the series started,(stealing manga concepts now writers?) and man can spencer run.... this might just be the best battle facility yet.

[.Bambi.]

Guess we know which of Ash's Pokemon will win it for him. I know people are going to be angry if Heracross gets beaten easily, or in fact doesn't even take down at least one of Spenser's Pokemon.

So by default, Swellow better get its *** kicked. That way Heracross can have a decent win or two, and Sceptile will claim the crown at the end.
Well, the preview does give us some hints.

Both Swellow and Heracross are seen battling Venusaur, and Sceptile is seen battling both Shiftry and Claydol. Sooo...my guess is the battle starts with Venusaur vs Swellow/Heracross. Swellow/Heracross loses and Ash sends out Swellow/Heracross who defeats him. Then Spenser sends out Shiftry/Claydol who KOs Swellow/Heracross. And Ol' Sceppy takes it from there.

^ Can you tell I like the slash button? WHHHooOOOOoooOOO ////////////////


Anywhays, I hope that Heracross comes out with a win in this battle, which means that Swellow will have to lose with no win. But there was always Tucker, right?
I personally think this episode looks poorly animated [especially when Ash and Spenser are running...Ye Olde Spency looks HORRIBLE!]

Looks like a pretty basic battle, but I'm sure the "Jungle" element will add some surprises. Like Claydol using Rapid Spin in the water.
Speaking of the battle [I can't believe no one's said this yet], sorry to disappoint Emerald fans, but both Ash and Spenser are seen yelling in the commanding pose in the preview D:

Oh, and Sceptile's double Leaf Blade = better than Life.

[Matt Silver]

Swellow will lost to Venusar- Hera will win.
Then Hera will lose to Shiftry- then Scep from there.
Man, Ash's party is top notch this season. Evolve Corphish and we got bonus! Maybe this is the last season with Ash and we want to see his team super duper! If that is true, they must wanna keep may...

[nameless]

Swellow will lost to Venusar- Hera will win.
Then Hera will lose to Shiftry- then Scep from there.

Yeah it seems to be Shiftry vs. Sceptile.

Venusar to me seems to be up first.


Evolve Corphish and we got bonus!

Oh oh I see a storm coming.

*sneaks back into the darkness*

[V Faction]

We got bonus, we got bonus! Say Hai to the crouds in the big brue SKKAAAII.
We got bonus, we got bonus! I to want go with your now banana happy FRIEND!!

[Zoramon089]

That theory does seem to lead to Swellow losing early but not as early as you think. Lets look at the preview...

We saw:
Swellow vs Venasaur
???? vs Claydol
Heracross vs Venasaur
Sceptile vs Shiftry
Sceptile vs Claydol
Sceptile vs Shiftry
???? vs Venasaur
Claydol vs Sceptile

Strange but it does make it appear either Swellow or Heracross lose early on. But with Venasaur still near the end it makes me think they're switiching the match ups in mid battle! This will be interesting

[Lupin]

Venusaur/Shiftry/Claydol has got to be the WORST Brain Team so far.

I disagree, I reckon its one of the best.

And I am so glad to see Heracross back in the game. I hope that he wins at least one round and hopefully, we'll see Megahorn in action again.

[ZoraJolteon]

Since when did the previews care about showing events in chronological order?

[Gravy]

Though in Spenser's defence, Claydol is actually a decent decision for an opponent, despite the fact that its the most likely pokémon to be taken down first. IIRC, we've never actually seen an accurate interpritation of Claydol's battle skills. I'm not willing to count the infamous uber huge Claydol or Robert's battling friend.
Cosmic Power/Ancient Power/Rock Tomb/Explosion/Psychic. Please?
*pulls the chain and listens to the harmonic flushing sounds*

Venusaur and Shiftry are not the main threats? Works for me. Screw the fact its got generic attacks, Claydol battling is good enough (sort of) for me.
*twitch*

[JazzJazz]

And I am so glad to see Heracross back in the game. I hope that he wins at least one round and hopefully, we'll see Megahorn in action again.

Too bad that Ash will probably send heracross back to Oak's after the battle... it'd be damn interesting (and good for a change) if corphish or swellow (or whoever) got sent back instead, either that or Ash keeps a team of six with him... but I know that heracross has probably got a temporary visa.

[Korobooshi Kojiro]

I wonder if Heracross will do some sucking on Sceptile's yellow bulbs things........

[JazzJazz]

I wonder if Heracross will do some sucking on Sceptile's yellow bulbs things........

I wouldn't mind seeing it try actually... kinda makes me wish that May still had her bulbasaur with her, it would've been funny to see heracross go back to its old habits (and it doubt it'll try this caper on venusaur).

[Judai Yuki]

Ya Heracross!^_^ maybe he will suck Sceptile's yellow bulbs.<.<

[Kabuto]

SH*T ! I must be dreaming. Heracross!!!!! Horray I'm so happy. Thank you writers Heracross + Sceptile = Awesome

[Torkoal Stu]

Wow Claydoll seems to be his mean Pokemon, and it looks like it's kicking butt though in the preview. Shiftry is the same old but it was fighting Sceptile to I place the events like this:

Swellow vs Vensaur (Swellow Losses)
Heracross vs Vensaur (Heracross Wins)
Heracross vs Shiftry (Shiftry Wins)
Scpetile vs Shiftry (Sceptile Wins)
Sceptile vs Claydoll (Sceptile Wins)

Probably very wrong but thats what the preview lead me to believe.

But this Claydol does seem to have the basic standard of attacks I wanted something new like Gravy said Cosmic Power that would be nice once in a while,

Also whats up with the battle field? I mean first they are all running to the field, we see them at the field then Scpetile and Shiftry are fighting on the side of the mountain thingy. So confused...

We saw:
Swellow vs Venasaur
???? vs Claydol
Heracross vs Venasaur
Sceptile vs Shiftry
Sceptile vs Claydol
Sceptile vs Shiftry
???? vs Venasaur
Claydol vs Sceptile
Since when did the previews care about showing events in chronological order?
So yeah they aren't switching Pokemon each round it's just the preview people don't show things in order >_>;; Well they may well do but from experience I would say its the preview.

[ChaosMage]

I wonder if Sceptile does learn a new attack?

let's look at the possibilities-
- Dragon Claw is a favourite, and it could be useful here
- Brick Break could be very useful is Claydol uses Reflect or Light Screen
- Thunderpunch is unlikely in this battle, as it won't work on Claydol

And a few others, but I doubt all of them.

[Heracross]

Jukain just relearned all of its old moves, so I'd say it'll be a while before it learns anything else, if it ever does at all.

[Factory Head Noland]

Look like it will be a really interesting battle. I love these intense 3-vs-3 battles with fully evolved Pokemon, these are the episodes which are remembered for good things.

I can't wait to see Heracross back in action, it's been so long (Johto League since it's last real battle) and it's such a great Pokemon aswell, makes you wonder why. I hated how it was offloaded to Oak's Lab quite early in Johto when it was doing so well, there was no need for it >:O
It's had some amazing battles in it's past. Scizor and Magmar to name a few (the battle with Scizor was a battle a half).

I can't wait to see Swellow, Sceptile and Heracross in this battle.

[Nintendo Theatre]

SH*T ! I must be dreaming. Heracross!!!!! Horray I'm so happy. Thank you writers Heracross + Sceptile = Awesome

I was actually expecting this duo for one reason...

In the Oak ep. at the beginning of the Battle Frontier, while the POkemon were meeting eachother, Heracross shook hands wuth Grovyle.

COMPLETE FORSHADOWING!

[Aquadon]

I was actually expecting this duo for one reason...

In the Oak ep. at the beginning of the Battle Frontier, while the POkemon were meeting eachother, Heracross shook hands wuth Grovyle.

COMPLETE FORSHADOWING!
Wow, that is foreshadowing. I never saw that coming.

Man, I can't wait to see Heracross fight again, as well as Sceptile in a REAL battle, not some TR stuff.

I really think this will be one of the better episodes.

[ghost master]

I'm really interested in the episode although I speculate this will be how the battle goes. As I posted on BMGF.
Swellow vs. Venusaur. Venusaur wins.
Heracross vs. Venasaur. Heracross wins.
Heracross vs. Shiftry. Shiftry wins.
Sceptile vs. Shiftry. Sceptile wins.
Sceptile vs. Claydol. Sceptile wins.
This is based off of seeing Heracross and Swellow facing Venasaur and Sceptile facing both Shiftry and Claydol. I would assume they wouldnt have Heracross out in the first round since it will be around for a limited time and also Sceptile seems to be the focus of the preview and Claydol seems to be showing the most power. What would be awesome though is if Ash would keep some pokemon and put others at oak. I would kinda like to see Swellow oaked if it means Heracross staying but, the writers wouldnt do that.

[DKzM0mA]

I assumed both trainers were going to send out 6 pokemon at the same time. Like some queer triple battle. Nad if its true about trainers are not allowed to command their pokemon, all 6 would run widely into the jungle and battle everywhere O.O *imagines* And Ash would be running all though the forest looking for his pokemon too see how they're doing, but alas I am simply dreaming.

[Opal Pikachu13]

Can't wait for this episode. Heracross is gonna be awesome battling again! And to see Sceptile finally be in a battle that isn't with Team Rocket! Good thing he got his skills back! And Swellow is going to fight as well! Spenser seems to have pretty good Pokemon too! This episode is going to be good. ;254;

[DKzM0mA]

Any news on if TR butt in?

[CyberCubed]

Any news on if TR butt in?

We won't know that till it airs. Hopefully though TR hardly appear.

I still say that Team Rocket shouldn't be in the Gyms/League episodes. All they do is take precious screentime away from the battle screens.

I do like Team Rocket in the Contest episodes however, because Jessie competes in a lot of them which makes her a fun opponent. And I love James' reaction when Jessie uses his Pokemon. :D

[pikachu146]

Can't wait to see the pics！Looks like it's Heracross VS venusaur,Sceptile VS Claydol.I hope TR doesn't mess this up.

[DEMONCAMERUPT]

We won't know that till it airs. Hopefully though TR hardly appear.

I still say that Team Rocket shouldn't be in the Gyms/League episodes. All they do is take precious screentime away from the battle screens.

I do like Team Rocket in the Contest episodes however, because Jessie competes in a lot of them which makes her a fun opponent. And I love James' reaction when Jessie uses his Pokemon. :D

that makes two of us.

[Lost Angel_Setsuna]

I hope Heracross will show some new moves...(brick break/focus punch :o:rolleyes: ) and Sceptile, after that sort of sandstorm, caused maybe from Claydol's rapid spin :confused: , find a way to broke free...for example a frenzyplant/dragonbreath like move, a massive destruction beam (exept of the solar one) that hits his foe and faints it in one hit... *me wake up after dreaming the whole morning* :D

[JazzJazz]

I still say that Team Rocket shouldn't be in the Gyms/League episodes. All they do is take precious screentime away from the battle screens.

It's good to have them in such episodes when they just want to sit and enjoy the battle (like in the Orange League) and can make for a bit of comedy when one of them gets told off for wanting to do something nasty.

[Gravy]

I still say that Team Rocket shouldn't be in the Gyms/League episodes. All they do is take precious screentime away from the battle screens.
Eh, its not such a big deal when they're only on screen for a limited amount of time. I think one such Gym Battle that springs to mind was Winona's. They handled that one quite well, despite their appearence being blatantly forced. And for more recent examples, there were the Arena and Dome battles. As long as its not some 5 minute piece of bull like the rubbish from Gym 7, then let 'em stick around.


Oh, and I have one more note to add. If this is a fight at the Battle Palace. Then where the feck is the actual Palace? Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I don't think a big stone pillar in the middle of the sea really counts.

[.Bambi.]

Oh, and I have one more note to add. If this is a fight at the Battle Palace. Then where the feck is the actual Palace? Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I don't think a big stone pillar in the middle of the sea really counts.
Well, in all fairness, Azami's Facility wasn't exactly a Tube. It was just a building with a Seviper face plastered on the front.
Besides, if the writers have the audacity to change interesting Brain battle rules into normal 2 on 2 and 3 on 3 battles, what do you think will stop them from tweaking the design of the facility itself?

Ahhh, I can just see it now…
Brandon: Hey Ash! Wanna come back to the mans for a big-*** battle? =D

[theboar]

God, I can't wait to see the battle between Spenser and Ash.
I wonder what kind of rule in Palace?

According to Emerald Version, this rule is to let Pokemon battle themselves without taking trainer's order.

Way to go Ash's Sceptile rules!

[ghost master]

God, I can't wait to see the battle between Spenser and Ash.
I wonder what kind of rule in Palace?

According to Emerald Version, this rule is to let Pokemon battle themselves without taking trainer's order.

Way to go Ash's Sceptile rules!the writers have yet to follow the rules as written. What the catch is is that the entire island is a jungle and I believe what happens is they start at the battle palace and they battle through out the jungle.

[Poké_Master]

I hope that the writers allow Ash and Spenser's Pokémon battle it out on their own. It would do them some good to not have their trainers shouting at them all the time. If they do though, Spenser's Pokémon would be used to battling on their own and Ash's wouldn't...

[JazzJazz]

I hope that the writers allow Ash and Spenser's Pokémon battle it out on their own. It would do them some good to not have their trainers shouting at them all the time. If they do though, Spenser's Pokémon would be used to battling on their own and Ash's wouldn't...

If the pokemon battle on their own and Ash is initially overcome by this, the battle will probably play out just like his first double battle in the Orange Islands... all will seem lost and then, just when it seems hopeless, something will be pulled out of the bag and Ash will walk away with another shiny Frontier Symbol.

[CyberCubed]

Since Ash/Spenser and their Pokemon are constantly running through the woods/battlefield/etc...

Anyone else getting the vibe that May/Max/Brock/Scott are watching the battle via a hot-air balloon in the sky?

[Almighty Zard]

I hope that the writers allow Ash and Spenser's Pokémon battle it out on their own. It would do them some good to not have their trainers shouting at them all the time. If they do though, Spenser's Pokémon would be used to battling on their own and Ash's wouldn't...


i just watched the preview again and it does look like they are ordering thier pokemon to attack at certain points. so it looks like a no go there.

[JazzJazz]

i just watched the preview again and it does look like they are ordering thier pokemon to attack at certain points. so it looks like a no go there.

We'll just have to wait and see, I wouldn't be drawing any solid conclusions just yet... after all, the preview only shows us about 30 seconds out of approximately 20 minutes of actual episode time.

[Almighty Zard]

We'll just have to wait and see, I wouldn't be drawing any solid conclusions just yet... after all, the preview only shows us about 30 seconds out of approximately 20 minutes of actual episode time.


the same goes for you and everyone that thinks the pokemon are just gonna duke it out without commands from the trainers.

[.Bambi.]

We'll just have to wait and see, I wouldn't be drawing any solid conclusions just yet... after all, the preview only shows us about 30 seconds out of approximately 20 minutes of actual episode time.
I'm usually the type to 'wait things out' as well, but let's be serious about this. What the hell else could Spenser and Ash be commanding besides their Pokemon?

I can see it now...
Spenser: *in commanding pose, yelling* I'm staying regulaaaaaaaaaaar!

[Zoramon089]

But guys think about it. The pokemon are all fighting in completely different areas, AND the trainers are running around. At some point the pokemon HAVE TO be fighting on their own. When Swellow/Venasaur are in the forest and Sceptile/Claydol are by the beach he can't command both simultaneaously and I don't think they'll just stop when their trainers leave...

[.Bambi.]

But guys think about it. The pokemon are all fighting in completely different areas, AND the trainers are running around. At some point the pokemon HAVE TO be fighting on their own. When Swellow/Venasaur are in the forest and Sceptile/Claydol are by the beach he can't command both simultaneaously and I don't think they'll just stop when their trainers leave...
Ummm...what gave you the idea that the Swellow/Venusaur and Sceptile/Claydol battles would be going on at the same time? I'm pretty sure there will just be Pokemon vs. Pokemon for each round.

As for the running scene, because Ash requested him and Spenser battle all around the island, it could merely be a shot of them running to the next location they want to battle °-°

[DEMONCAMERUPT]

am i the only one who wants to see Ash lose to Spencer so they can a rematch in oh say 4 eps time?

[The Benmeister]

am i the only one who wants to see Ash lose to Spencer so they can a rematch in oh say 4 eps time?

I don't exactly want that to happen, although it could kill some time before D/P I suppose...but, thinking about it, wouldn't rematching a 3 on 3 be a little overkill? I mean the whole episode's dedicated to the battle (apparently) and filled with the battle, so it doesn't seem very likely he will lose (most previous losses, for gym battles anyway, involve a rushed battle rather than an episode panned out one, like when he lost to Brawly).

[ChaosMage]

Well... Spenser has had two episodes, so wouldn't a rematch make it even more unfair?

[Alfonso]

Well... Spenser has had two episodes, so wouldn't a rematch make it even more unfair?

Since when has the anime been fair?

[ChaosMage]

Since when has the anime been fair?

Touche... but when have they given three episodes to one gym leader in a starring role, in a very short amount of time, for something not rlated to the games (because I realise that Morty got 3 episodes because of the Suicune connection)

[CyberCubed]

Brawly also got 3 episodes you know.

The one where Ash lost to him, "A Meditite Fight" with Shauna, and "Just one of the Geysers" where Ash beat him.

I don't think Ash will lose to Spenser. Sceptile will have his glory after losing all his moves in the previous episodes.

[JazzJazz]

the same goes for you and everyone that thinks the pokemon are just gonna duke it out without commands from the trainers.

Same goes for me? I've never speculated that the pokemon would be let loose in battle without trainers commands... relax.

[Nintendo Theatre]

I'm so excited for this ep. now! We only have to wait one more day! Wee! :)

[jolteonjak]

zTouche... but when have they given three episodes to one gym leader in a starring role, in a very short amount of time, for something not rlated to the games (because I realise that Morty got 3 episodes because of the Suicune connection)


Claire had 4 or 5 episodes.

[ChaosMage]

OK, so I'm an idiot. And sorry, but Heracross and Sceptile losing? Me no thinky so!

[HoennMaster]

Since Ash/Spenser and their Pokemon are constantly running through the woods/battlefield/etc...

Anyone else getting the vibe that May/Max/Brock/Scott are watching the battle via a hot-air balloon in the sky?

Nope, via big screen in a building possibly :)

[Heracross]

I'd hate to be the camera man that has to keep up with that. :/

[Jikkle]

Nope, via big screen in a building possibly :)

Don't forget the A/C will probably be full blast too. Scott just doesn't look like the type to run around and keep up with a battle. Or than again maybe he'll just drive everyone around :p

[ZoraJolteon]

OK, I think this is how it goes.

Spencer sends out Venusaur, Ash sends out Heracross. Heracross faints. Ash sends out Swellow, Venusaur faints. Spencer sends out Shiftry, who defeats Swellow. Ash sends out Sceptile, who defeats Shiftry. Spencer sends out Claydol. Sceptile pulls a Solar Beam out of nowhere to win.

I'm forseeing a lot of dissapointment.

[Jikkle]

The writers have done a good job at giving Ash's old pokemon some decent screen when they do show them so I think Swellow will lose to Venusaur and Heracross will beat Venusaur than give Shiftry a good fight than lose and Sceptile will finish the fight.

[IMPERIAL DRAGON]

Obviously we’ll have to wait for full confirmation and stuff, but your assumption is at least correct dude – people will probably complain and seethe with disappointment over Heracross getting the shaft and Sceptile using/ learning the so called overrated Solar Beam.

If anyone needed to get wasted quickly, it's Swellow. He's actually on the team, Heracross was literally just a cameo so it is rather unfair...

[CyberCubed]

As long as Heracross put up a decent fight before it went down, I'm ok with it. If the thing gets humiliated however, I have to wonder what the hell goes on inside the writers minds.

Someone needs to give them a lesson in fight choreography.

[jolteonjak]

Spencer sends out Venusaur, Ash sends out Heracross. Heracross faints. Ash sends out Swellow, Venusaur faints. Spencer sends out Shiftry, who defeats Swellow. Ash sends out Sceptile, who defeats Shiftry. Spencer sends out Claydol. Sceptile pulls a Solar Beam out of nowhere to win.

I'm forseeing a lot of dissapointment.


That's just awful! I can't believe they humiliated Heracross like that! :(

And Solarbeam? Don't even get me started on that!

[ZoraJolteon]

It seems like Heracross lost because it was trying to drink Venusaur's nectar.

[Lost Angel_Setsuna]

Bulbapedia "confirmed" Sceptile's learning of Solarbeam... ;_; No dragonbreath, no dragonclaw (even if with the double powered leaf blade it's useless)...nothing! Only the old, calm solarbeam ç_ç

[Jikkle]

Well I personally am sick of seeing solarbeam myself but I can't really be surpised since it is most powerful grass attack (not including frenzy plant that is) but hopefully they'll give him dragonclaw somewhere down the line.

[Gravy]

So Heracross goes down in the first round and they have Sceptile learn that shitty attack eh?

...Hahahaha. Thats total bull, for sure. You can color me PO'd~

Though I have to say, its quite impressive to see that they're still taking Ash's flying types pretty damn seriously now. If there is any sort of silver lining here, its that. Not much of a silver lining granted, but I'd like to say SOMETHING positive.

[jolteonjak]

Not much of a silver lining granted, but I'd like to say SOMETHING positive.


Considering we learned that in the Hoenn League...

Its utter crap. You think people were ****** when Grovyle lost to Luvdisc...this is worse, much worse. :(

[Swellow]

So Heracross goes down in the first round and they have Sceptile learn that shitty attack eh?

...Hahahaha. Thats total bull, for sure. You can color me PO'd~

Though I have to say, its quite impressive to see that they're still taking Ash's flying types pretty damn seriously now. If there is any sort of silver lining here, its that. Not much of a silver lining granted, but I'd like to say SOMETHING positive.
Same here, at least on the PO'd part. Also Heracross maybe not be my favorite Pokemon in the games so far, That would be Swellow DUH but it is truly an awesome pokemon. As for Swellow beating Venasaur i would thave thought since Heracross was one of Ash's good old reliables they would have had it beat at least one of Spenser's Pokemon

[V Faction]

-_-

I. Am not. A happy camper.

YARGH.

[Torkoal Stu]

YARGH.
That basically sums up what I was going to say :/

But i'll comment anyway, Heracross returning and losing That means it will be remembered as a bad Pokemon if it loses on its one shot to return and get some action, i'd feel better if it at least put up a decent fight but knowing the writers it didn't ;O;

Swellow action eh? This leads me to the conclusion it's getting Oaked at the end of the BF saga, maybe along with Corphish, as for Domphan (who Ash needs to use more) and Sceptile I have no idea.

Also Solar Beam speaks for itself...

[Aldrius]

Edit: I bet the writers just brought back Heracross because they couldn't pay Charizard's voice actor.


...or something.

[Torkoal Stu]

Aren't writter conversations not allowed now :P

But yeah that is probably what happened.

[Thriller]

If Sceptile can have Bullet Seed, why not Solar Beam? Solar Beam is basically a stronger Bullet Seed, thats why I hate how people don't want Sceptile to have Solar Beam.

[Gravy]

If Sceptile can have Bullet Seed, why not Solar Beam? Solar Beam is basically a stronger Bullet Seed, thats why I hate how people don't want Sceptile to have Solar Beam.
Because Bullet Seed fuctions differently. Its a rapid fire attack, meaning Sceptile is able to stop and start the move quickly, giving it more time to avoid attacks and generally be its speedy self. Solar Beam on the other hand, is an attack that requires the pokémon to focus on having the move charge up before firing. And when it DOES fire, its not as on/off as Bullet Seed is. Meaning we won't be seeing Sceptile weaving in and out of attacks and dodging moves whilst using the technique. Which completely goes against his fleet-of-foot fighting style.
That and the move has been done to death, which makes it even less appealing.

[ChaosMage]

Not only am I not a happy camper, but the camp has been overtaken by nazis.

Heracross has been humiliated, Sceptile has been cheapened, Venusaur has been used again... I hate those damn writers!

[Aldrius]

Aren't writter conversations not allowed now :P

But yeah that is probably what happened.


They aren't? Oh crap. I better edit it out then.

Though I don't see how they're deterimental to the rules and upkeep >__>;.