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Inverted86
25th January 2006, 4:28 PM
Does anyone else think that Ash's Bulbasaur should have evolved by now? I mean it was in from like the 7th episode up until the whirl islands saga.

Lupin
25th January 2006, 4:37 PM
Ever see that episode where all the other Bulbasuar were evolving but his? It tells you many things why it still is a Bulbasaur.

And thats all that really needs to be said on the subject.

Mikey
25th January 2006, 9:46 PM
Ever see that episode where all the other Bulbasuar were evolving but his? It tells you many things why it still is a Bulbasaur.
I've seen that episode and it kinda explanes why it dosnt whant to evolve but the only problem is that it hapend in mid Kanto and is outdated now and has ben outdated for a wial now. So unless there is curent episode that explanes it or hapens agen other then that episode no one can say for sure now becase that episode is outdated.

Heracross
25th January 2006, 10:46 PM
I've seen that episode and it kinda explanes why it dosnt whant to evolve but the only problem is that it hapend in mid Kanto and is outdated now and has ben outdated for a wial now. So unless there is curent episode that explanes it or hapens agen other then that episode no one can say for sure now becase that episode is outdated.
Why is it outdated simply because it's old? Fushigidane's attitude obviously hasn't changed so addressing it again would be pointless. The end. :/

Thriller
26th January 2006, 12:18 AM
Bulbasaur chose not to evolve because Peter Pan and the lost boys were having so much fun in Neverland and wanted to be shared with some of that fun.

Mikey
26th January 2006, 12:25 AM
Why is it outdated simply because it's old? Fushigidane's attitude obviously hasn't changed so addressing it again would be pointless. The end. :/
Its not pointless to address it again because its attitude could have changed between then and now.

CyberCubed
26th January 2006, 12:29 AM
Well from what we've seen of it in AG, it hasn't. Plus it has May's Bulbasaur to look after now. Bulba pride!

Kabuto
26th January 2006, 12:31 AM
Bulbasaur is strong enough already At least Grovyle evolved so we have a fully evolved grass starter. And Sceptile > Venusaur anyway Besides, Squirtle didn't evolve either apparently it had the same feelings as Bulbasaur but we never saw them. Plus the countless others that never evolved.

The Big Al
26th January 2006, 12:35 AM
Though, Bulbasaur's refusal to evolve kind of flies in the face of why Melonie gave Ash Bulbasaur. She said it's bulb needed to grow like other Bulbasaur which it couldn't do at the village. Yet Bulbasaur still refused to grow and instead became one of the uber babies I couldn't stand in Kanto.

But yeah, the sun will go nova before Bulbasaur evolves.

EDIT: Squirtle didn't evolve because it never came into the writers minds of how it could happen. They never even mentioned that Squirtle could evolve. Not even when it was competing against the Wartortle.

PDL
26th January 2006, 12:40 AM
Bulbasaur chose not to evolve because Peter Pan and the lost boys were having so much fun in Neverland and wanted to be shared with some of that fun.

aw crap, now the mental image of Bulbasaur hanging out with Michael Jackson is in my head

thanks alot DD:

Heracross
26th January 2006, 12:42 AM
Its not pointless to address it again because its attitude could have changed between then and now.
If it had, then certainly it would have evolved by now. It's had plenty of opportunities. The fact that it hasn't is an obvious indication that it still has no desire to do so.

Yamato-san
26th January 2006, 12:57 AM
Though, Bulbasaur's refusal to evolve kind of flies in the face of why Melonie gave Ash Bulbasaur. She said it's bulb needed to grow like other Bulbasaur which it couldn't do at the village. Yet Bulbasaur still refused to grow and instead became one of the uber babies I couldn't stand in Kanto.

But yeah, the sun will go nova before Bulbasaur evolves.

Hmmm.... you don't say. I'll have to pull out one of my DVD-Rs to see if Midori says that in the Japanese version..... in a bit..... eventually....

RaikousThunder
26th January 2006, 1:59 AM
I really love Ash's Bulbasaur. It had a unique attitude amungst Ash's pokemon, i think until Charmeleon arrived. Though Charmeleon took angst to the next level. Bulbasaur is more of a happy pokemon now. I like its close bond with Ash's Squirtle, they are so cute together. Since Ivysaur is one of my top three favorite pokemon i would love to see it evolve. I has hopes for May's Bulbasaur but they died once she left it behind. The interaction between the two Bulba's is cute too. Bulbasaur is really strong as it is. It can stay the way it is even though id love to see it as an Ivysaur. One of them should evolve. Even if it was May's there's no saying it will be stronger than Ash's. Ash's Bulbasaur tied with a Meganium, im sure it could beat a newly evolved Ivysaur. But since Bulbasaur isnt in Ash's party anymore and doesnt recieve much training its not just gonna evolve. If it were to evolve id want to see it with Ash all the time. But look at this if Grovyle evolves Ash will have a first form Grass starter, Bulbasaur, a second form Grass starter, Bayleef, and a final form Grass starter, Sceptile. I think thats neat.

Kamex
26th January 2006, 2:15 AM
Well from what we've seen of it in AG, it hasn't. Plus it has May's Bulbasaur to look after now. Bulba pride!
Hm... yeah, but don't you think a young female Bulbasaur looking up to a bigger, evolved Ivysaur would be more appropriate? Or at least cooler...

Atoyont
26th January 2006, 2:34 AM
Yay! High Commander Solomon is back!
On topic, though....
It doesn't want to. Good enough for you?
(HCS, sorry about the Nazi/nazi thing. :C)

The Big Al
26th January 2006, 3:06 AM
aw crap, now the mental image of Bulbasaur hanging out with Michael Jackson is in my head
Quoted for humor. XD

I just watched the part where Melonie gave Ash Bulbasaur and she did say something to the effect of Bulbasaur's bulb needs to grow and that's why it should go with Ash.

Actually, Melonie is kind of an idiot. If the trainers think the pokemon at the village were too weak, they'd leave them alone. The only trainers who would atcually try to take them would actually want them and likely take good care of them. Though, this could be for another topic.

Raevell
26th January 2006, 8:20 AM
Actually do you know what? It's the writers who decide this. They can make anyone and anything defy logic that supposedly takes place in the Pokemon world, including coming up with an excuse such as that. Heck we should be arguing why Pikachu beat Geodude with an Electric attack.

I agree with that. Not to mention the countless times I've heard, "It's a rock type so Pikachu will have some trouble..." No, rocks can be affected by lightning, it's the ground element that should prevent Pikachu from doing any damage. *rant*

Anyways, the lack of evolution sort of bugged me in the past, but the way they are going about it now in the AG series is satisfying. Not everyone is evolving, but at least some of them are. In Johto only Bayleef evolved! With all the opponents Ash battled it seemed strange, especially since we never had any sort of back story that anyone besides bulbasaur was opposed to evolving.

But, yeah, maybe one day the writers will revisit that, but at the moment it doesn't seem likely. Right now bulba is just happy being bulba.

Magus
26th January 2006, 8:55 AM
Besides, Bulbasaur isn't in Ash's active lineup anymore and probably never will be again. He's busy with his "ambassador" duties at Oak's. Evolving him wouldn't really accomplish anything.

Chris
26th January 2006, 11:49 AM
Though, Bulbasaur's refusal to evolve kind of flies in the face of why Melonie gave Ash Bulbasaur. She said it's bulb needed to grow like other Bulbasaur which it couldn't do at the village. Yet Bulbasaur still refused to grow and instead became one of the uber babies I couldn't stand in Kanto.
Allow me to cut in on this. You said that she said its bulb needed to grow. However, this is the trainer we're speaking of. She's simply thinking of what's best for Fushigidane. No one exactly asked what Fushigidane felt about it.

Fushigidane's refusal to evolve showed that even though its body may not grow, its strength and determination grows quite past even that of evolved forms of its species and others. It likes the form it's in. Fushigidane has always wanted to prove that it can do things its own way, as we saw from its choice to help the Pokémon against poachers with Midori at the time.

And to be fair, Midori was protecting the Pokémon should the event that theives steal Pokémon and sell or abuse them. Regardless if they're weak or not, cold hearted people and thieves would do whatever it takes to make a quick buck. Even if it meant beating some sense into a weak creature (similar to how the trainers that put dogs into fights beat their dogs to make them vicious).

charizard trainer #1
26th January 2006, 12:06 PM
Bulbasaur should've evolved but didn't and since May has a bulbasaur and since Ash's Bulba is the ambassador of that place it is more likely that May's will evolve. Just as someone said earlier: Bulba won't be in the main line up now that Ash has got Grovyle (a possible sceptile from what i've read).

Since may has a squirtle i've got a feeling we won't see Ash's squirtle in the main side either... and it is even more possible that it won't evolve. Poor squirtle... another topic and matter, people.

The Big Al
26th January 2006, 12:06 PM
I know but that's Bulbasaur for you. He's a my way or highway can of guy. Perhaps, that's why people love him. Who cares if he's evolved or not, he doesn't need to evolve to keep the peace which is now his mission in life.

Chris
26th January 2006, 12:12 PM
Exactly.

..And what's all this "ambassador" stuff? o_O Fushigidane's a protector. Where'd all this "ambassador" stuff come from?

The Big Al
26th January 2006, 12:38 PM
4Kids stupid episode title. Where else?

Peacekeeper =/= Ambassador.

charizard trainer #1
26th January 2006, 12:39 PM
^^ A protector you say. Hmm... i stopped watching pokemon just after charizard left and came back for the Johto finals so i wouldn't know what he is.

I always liked Bulbasaur because he wasn't really scared of anyone. Considering his size too...

Chris
26th January 2006, 10:41 PM
4Kids stupid episode title. Where else?

Peacekeeper =/= Ambassador.
Oh, I see. "Bulbasaur the Ambassador"

..Cute. e_e;

The only time I remember Fushigidane being afraid was during the giant Pokémon episode way back in Kanto. Even if it didn't show it, it was trying to avoid talking to the huge Fushigibana. XD

Heracross
26th January 2006, 11:05 PM
Yeah, he may be overshadowed nowadays by Jukain, but I'll always think of Fushigidane as the original tough guy of the group.

CyberCubed
26th January 2006, 11:10 PM
Bulbasaur should've evolved but didn't and since May has a bulbasaur and since Ash's Bulba is the ambassador of that place it is more likely that May's will evolve.

May's Bulbasaur probably won't evolve either. Ash's Bulbasaur is there to mentor May's Bulbasaur, just like Ash mentors May. The whole idea behind May leaving her Bulbasaur at Oaks was because she wanted it to learn from Ash's Bulbasaur, since his Bulba could be the strongest Bulbasaur in the world.

It would look awfully odd for Ash's Bulba to be mentoring a larger, tougher looking Ivysaur. I see both Bulbasaur just staying at Oaks together, aside from the times Ash/May use them in a certain tournament.

The Benmeister
26th January 2006, 11:14 PM
Obviously, as a mental Bulbasaur fan, I wouldn't want Ash's or May's Bulbasaurs to evolve. But even with fan related obsessions aside there are perfectly good reasons why they should stay in their current form. Ash's from that episode way back, and does it NEED to get any stronger? Also it acts as a great role in some of the chronicles, somehow Ivysaur doesn't fit into that role as well. And May's one evolving would be awkward...Ash's Bulbasaur mentoring an Ivysaur? Hmm, doesn't seem right.

ChaosMage
26th January 2006, 11:51 PM
I hate the Bulbasaur thing, but I'd rather it were a cool little guy like him than anything else.

Kamex
27th January 2006, 1:35 AM
Well as I mentioned earlier, Ash's Bulbasaur evolving rather than May's wouldn't be such a bad idea. It would be perfect. Bulbasaur finally feels it's ready and willing to go the next step after some harsh battle protecting May's Bulbasaur, then it evolves. And from then on, Ash's Ivysaur woulb have something May's Bulbasaur distinctly doesn't have but can look up to it for: an evolved state.

Edit: BTW, I've always much preferred Squirtle anyway... it's the one I favor, and it deserves a heck of a lot more attention than it's had compared to Bulbasaur. O_o

Chris
27th January 2006, 2:38 AM
Uh, it's not about that it doesn't feel ready to evolve. It's that it DOESN'T want to evolve and that it doesn't need to. o_O

Kamex
28th January 2006, 12:21 AM
Uh, it's not about that it doesn't feel ready to evolve. It's that it DOESN'T want to evolve and that it doesn't need to. o_O
What, did it decide that it would NEVER want to evolve or something? I was under the impression that it simply didn't feel like it was necessary/a big deal for it to evolve right there on the spot, with all the others around it. I thought it just wanted to bide its time, and if it ever changed it's mind, it would go ahead and do so. And if all of what I just said isn't wrong, then I'm sure Bulbasaur would consider evolving for its 'little sister' a worthwhile occurence. O_o

Heracross
28th January 2006, 1:08 AM
Fushigidane wanted to prove that it could be strong without evolution. Why would it change its mind now after all this time? And why does it need to evolve to be a mentor to Haruka's Fushigidane?

halloweenghost
28th January 2006, 6:32 PM
Frankly niether of you two truly know..that would be like reading it's mind..and on another note... it's not real so we can't truly even talk about how it feels since it is really the writer's decisions.
I'm with Heracross on his thinking about him wanting to do it for pride and stuff..but niether truly know if it still wants to evolve someday.... i doubt it but we don't know unless we ask...Hey,..you ever going to evolve :P but then again... not real so we can't :P

But anyways I like Bulbasaur how he is..Bulbasaur is my favorite pokemon hands down.

Kamex
29th January 2006, 10:25 PM
Fushigidane wanted to prove that it could be strong without evolution. Why would it change its mind now after all this time?
Well, you'd think after all these intense battles it's more than proved it can be strong without evolution. :P That being said, no matter what the case, evolution will always bring about even MORE power.


And why does it need to evolve to be a mentor to Haruka's Fushigidane?

Frankly niether of you two truly know..that would be like reading it's mind..and on another note... it's not real so we can't truly even talk about how it feels since it is really the writer's decisions.
I'm with Heracross on his thinking about him wanting to do it for pride and stuff..but niether truly know if it still wants to evolve someday.... i doubt it but we don't know unless we ask...Hey,..you ever going to evolve :P but then again... not real so we can't :P
I wasn't saying it NEEDS to evolve to be a mentor to May's Bulbasaur, I was just making the point that it could and, IMO, perhaps should.

Alphonse Elric
30th January 2006, 10:42 AM
I really love Ash's Bulbasaur. It had a unique attitude amungst Ash's pokemon, i think until Charmeleon arrived. Though Charmeleon took angst to the next level. Bulbasaur is more of a happy pokemon now. I like its close bond with Ash's Squirtle, they are so cute together. Since Ivysaur is one of my top three favorite pokemon i would love to see it evolve. I has hopes for May's Bulbasaur but they died once she left it behind. The interaction between the two Bulba's is cute too. Bulbasaur is really strong as it is. It can stay the way it is even though id love to see it as an Ivysaur. One of them should evolve. Even if it was May's there's no saying it will be stronger than Ash's. Ash's Bulbasaur tied with a Meganium, im sure it could beat a newly evolved Ivysaur. But since Bulbasaur isnt in Ash's party anymore and doesnt recieve much training its not just gonna evolve. If it were to evolve id want to see it with Ash all the time. But look at this if Grovyle evolves Ash will have a first form Grass starter, Bulbasaur, a second form Grass starter, Bayleef, and a final form Grass starter, Sceptile. I think thats neat.
I think this will be good news to you. Grovyle evolved!

Chris
30th January 2006, 11:52 AM
Well, you'd think after all these intense battles it's more than proved it can be strong without evolution. :P That being said, no matter what the case, evolution will always bring about even MORE power.
Perhaps you should understand a little thing called pride. >_>; Fushigidane refuses to evolve because it prefers its form. It doesn't matter how many or how little opponents it's taken down in its current form. It WANTS to stay in its form and continue to prove that it doesn't need to evolve in order to be strong. Evolution has more power, yes, but have we forgotten when a certain Raichu was given more power as a focus?

Fushigidane's size is also a contribution to its abilities. Being a bigger Pokémon can be a problem to certain Pokémon. Their body weight can slow them down, even though they have the power. Evolution isn't the jack of all trades. Evolution does not always mean the Pokémon will overcome all of its weaknesses, nor does it mean it'll become more unlikely to be beaten.

Fushigidane's also not one to look to gain more and more power. It's more about showing its abilities in its current state and that it can rival those who have fully evolved.

Kamex
31st January 2006, 1:46 AM
Screw pride! X/ ...bleah. Perhaps I don't understand Bulbasaur's point of view as much as I should because I can't quite relate with its refusal to evolve, but I guess that makes it more unique than most other Pokemon.

But I still really can't say I prefer Bulbasaur not evolving. >_>

Aptenodytes
31st January 2006, 2:26 AM
Well we all know bulbasaur has enough experience to evolve, heck, it could probably be a venasaur if it wanted to, but it was all his choise and he decided not to evolve. I find this very strange, but it did make for a cool episode.