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Komedic Konservationist
24th February 2006, 9:03 PM
There is already a forum for Pokemon-based face-offs, so why not create one for miscellenous face-offs to go in the miscellenous section? Examples could be a Bands Face-Off, or an Animals Face-Off, or a Celebrity Face-Off. The Pokemon face-offs seem to be quite popular, and miscellenous face-offs would be great imo.
So, what do you lot think?

Serebii
24th February 2006, 9:07 PM
The Face-Offs are majoritively spam as it is and we have been considering getting rid of them...making Miscellaneous ones...its just not necessary

Komedic Konservationist
24th February 2006, 9:32 PM
The Face-Offs are majoritively spam as it is and we have been considering getting rid of them.
I'm in the face-offs more than any other section of the forum, and I havn't seen much spam whatsoever. Eversince the rule was intraduced that face-offs had to be appproved, we've seen far less spam.
And getting rid of the face-offs is the epitome of sin. :<

O Fortuna
25th February 2006, 2:08 AM
The Face-Offs are majoritively spam

As opposed to the Games forum which is a much needed sub-forum making many worthwhile contributions to our loving SPPf community. If you remove the face-offs, it's only fair for you to remove the Games forum, no? Also, since when was majoritively a word?

Anyway, I don't see the point in Miscellaneous Face-Offs. At least with the Pokemon Face-Offs, there is a limit to how far you can take the one face-off. If you are facing off bands (to use your example, master chuckle) then the only way for it to be totally fair is to face-off EVERY band and quite frankly, that idea is ludicrous. The "good" face-offs we already have are those which have specifics to which they have to stick such as the Shiny/Attack Face-Offs when they were still running. The Pokemon/attacks being faced off were all easily grouped (either by colour or type) and then they could be eliminated thusly. How can you do that by bands? Genres of music are too broad to do that anyway.

Tropical Spirit
26th February 2006, 9:08 PM
As opposed to the Games forum which is a much needed sub-forum making many worthwhile contributions to our loving SPPf community. If you remove the face-offs, it's only fair for you to remove the Games forum, no? Also, since when was majoritively a word?
Especially the "Throw an Object at the Above Poster" (Or whatever) thread. Man, that's deep. >_>

Anyways, like Kinopio said, Miscellaneous face-offs wouldn't really work imo.

Black Marauder
26th February 2006, 9:18 PM
I don't see a Misc. Face-Offs Section existing, but taking out the Pokemon Face-Offs? Man, that's cruel.

Blazing Dragon
26th February 2006, 10:01 PM
The Face-Offs are majoritively spam as it is and we have been considering getting rid of them...making Miscellaneous ones...its just not necessary

Public opinion is against you this time joe, seriously, take out the pokemonn face offs? You cant be serious, half the people coming to this site would stop. Rather, I think you should have a higher consentration of good moderators posistioned there.

Tropical Spirit
26th February 2006, 11:54 PM
Public opinion is against you this time joe, seriously, take out the pokemonn face offs? You cant be serious, half the people coming to this site would stop.
And since when that was a problem to him? YHALOTHAR manga avatars. ;/ Because, of course, the members AREN'T what makes the forum. +Awaits the 'omgifudunlikLEAVElolz' posts+


Rather, I think you should have a higher consentration of good moderators posistioned there.
Himiko does the job pretty well, I say.

Eszett
27th February 2006, 12:01 AM
Really, all I want is a member faceoff. I'm not terribly interested in having faceoffs about various hunting knives or bird eggs or Sino-Tibetan languages, but it'd still be nice to be nice to see another member faceoff considering that we have one for the mods and that the last member faceoff was wildly successful and popular.

Chris
27th February 2006, 1:23 AM
Public opinion is against you this time joe, seriously, take out the pokemonn face offs? You cant be serious, half the people coming to this site would stop. Rather, I think you should have a higher consentration of good moderators posistioned there.
lmao Public opinion isn't against him this time. It's actually against the face-offs. They ARE spam enough as is. "lolz name the bets *enter subject here* with no resoning why!!!1"

I'll be damned if I have any of that garbage anywhere near the Misc. section.

Tropical Spirit
27th February 2006, 2:01 AM
lmao Public opinion isn't against him this time. It's actually against the face-offs. They ARE spam enough as is. "lolz name the bets *enter subject here* with no resoning why!!!1"
And what about the games forum? >__>; Christ, if you take out the face-offs, you should take out the games too. -___-

Chris
27th February 2006, 5:23 AM
Mind you, a chunk of those games are also spam and should be done away with as well as the spam-fest known as "face-offs."

Esperante
27th February 2006, 5:36 AM
Face-offs should be done away with completely.


Public opinion is against you this time joe, seriously, take out the pokemonn face offs? You cant be serious, half the people coming to this site would stop. Rather, I think you should have a higher consentration of good moderators posistioned there.

Public opinion meaning who? The members that post in the face-offs section? Of course they'd be against it, they're the ones that post there. If you mean everyone on the forums, that is a very inaccurate generalization.

O Fortuna
27th February 2006, 6:54 AM
While I do agree face-offs are SPAM (OMG! SHOCK HORRORZ!!!1) I think it is hypocritical and highly biased for the face-offs to be removed while there is hardly a murmur against the games forum. The way I see it, the face-offs aren't really hurting anyone and there in a spot where if you aren't purposely going there, you're not going to be hindered by them so why not leave them? Heaven forbid we should be able to have a bit of fun on a POKEMON FORUM...


Mind you, a chunk of those games are also spam and should be done away with as well as the spam-fest known as "face-offs."

So, you say a chunk as opposed to all of them. Care to show me one (well, besides perhaps the Caption Contest) which isn't spam?

Shadowcat
27th February 2006, 7:31 AM
Face-Offs should remain, IMO. If you delete the Face-Offs, get rid of Games too. Due to the fact, most games have tons of spam in them.

Just repeating what was already said.

MondoTR
27th February 2006, 2:25 PM
Take out the pokemonn face offs? You cant be serious, half the people coming to this site would stop.
Really extreme overexaggeration. Not even close to half go in that section.


I think you should have a higher consentration of good moderators posistioned there.
WTF? o_O


And if the face-offs stay or go doesn't really matter to me. They're kinda fun but aren't necessary. They're just polls that have turned into games.

As for the member face-off, there's a rule for no more non-Pokemon face-offs since it's a Pokemon face-offs section. The reason the mod one's still there is because it was started before the rule was made. And the member one ended before the rule was made hence why it wasn't continued.

And Games and Face-offs are different. Like I already stated, Face-offs are just a different kind of poll so they're not really needed because we have a pokepolls section. Games are different. They're not like polls or anything so if we got rid of that section then we wouldn't have a place to put things like them. And the games section is way more popular than the face-offs.

Komedic Konservationist
27th February 2006, 10:22 PM
Getting rid of face-offs because Serebii and a bunch of mods disapprove of them is like a prime-minister banning lamb-and-mint sauce because he's allergic to it. If you lot don't like it, then leave it alone and let it be a respice for people who actually appreciate it.
If you get rid of face-offs, you might as well get as rid of games; or RPGs, or Fan-Art, or Fan-Fiction, or any type of fun-based forum. Remember that Pokemon is a fun-based franchise, meaning forums based around it should be fun aswell. Does anyone really want forums to just be arguments over how Dodrio can use Fly when it hasn't got wings, or repetitive polls on ''what's your favourite Pokemon/character/generation/ect. Without games and fan-product sections and face-offs and RPGs to add a bit of variety, fun, and fresh-air, the forum would just turn into a stale, debate/poll-based chatroom.

John's Knight
27th February 2006, 10:43 PM
Miscellenous Face-Offs? Maybe, but i don't think so...
Even so, deleting the pokemon face-off section...well, it's true some (or more than 'some') posts are SPAM, but even so, it's a funny section where people see if the pokemon they bet won. It's like a Casino, and there can't be life without Casinos! [/random]...

Esperante
28th February 2006, 12:29 AM
If you get rid of face-offs, you might as well get as rid of games; or RPGs, or Fan-Art, or Fan-Fiction, or any type of fun-based forum.
That is completely illogical. People put work into RPGs, Fan art, and fanfiction. On the other hand, face offs are just "I vote for _____" where's the effort? There's none at all. Its 10 or less word posts to see who wins a contest with no prize.

Don't start mixing things that have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

Kaiserin
28th February 2006, 5:56 AM
Getting rid of face-offs because Serebii and a bunch of mods disapprove of them is like a prime-minister banning lamb-and-mint sauce because he's allergic to it. If you lot don't like it, then leave it alone and let it be a respice for people who actually appreciate it.
If you get rid of face-offs, you might as well get as rid of games; or RPGs, or Fan-Art, or Fan-Fiction, or any type of fun-based forum. Remember that Pokemon is a fun-based franchise, meaning forums based around it should be fun aswell. Does anyone really want forums to just be arguments over how Dodrio can use Fly when it hasn't got wings, or repetitive polls on ''what's your favourite Pokemon/character/generation/ect. Without games and fan-product sections and face-offs and RPGs to add a bit of variety, fun, and fresh-air, the forum would just turn into a stale, debate/poll-based chatroom.


We don't want rid of them because we don't like them, sugarplum. We want rid of them because they require little to no effort and are, collectively, spam.

It's not that hard to comprehend.

O Fortuna
28th February 2006, 7:31 AM
We don't want rid of them because we don't like them, sugarplum. We want rid of them because they require little to no effort and are, collectively, spam.

It's not that hard to comprehend.

However, it seems to be very hard for any moderators to comprehend the idea of the Games forum being just as spammy as the face-offs. I have no problem with the games but they are just as much SPAM as the face-offs. Can nobody explain to me how threads such as "Throw and object at the user above you" or "How off-topic can you go?" or "Post a lie about the above poster" require any more thought or effort than the face-offs?


face offs are just "I vote for _____" where's the effort? There's none at all. Its 10 or less word posts to see who wins a contest with no prize.

Well, compare a face-off to some of the games and I can point out how at least the face-offs are providing a contest of sorts rather than just being something created to solely incite idiocy.


Like I already stated, Face-offs are just a different kind of poll so they're not really needed because we have a pokepolls section.

Well, the face-offs were originally in the Pokepolls section but they were given their own separate subforum due to the complaints some people had about there being more face-offs than everything.


Games are different. They're not like polls or anything so if we got rid of that section then we wouldn't have a place to put things like them.

True, there isn't really another place for the games forum to go. However, do we really need a place for them? I mean, if you want to remove the face-offs due to their very notable SPAM levels then games also fall under the category and should be done away with also.


And the games section is way more popular than the face-offs.

That is also true but look at the calibre of threads in either section. OK, face-offs are not exactly in the high-intellect zone but at least they are related to the forums in the sense they are about Pokemon just like the rest of the forums whereas most, if not all of the games are totally unrelated and completely out of place on these forums.

I myself am not an advocate for the abolition of the games forum. I don't visit the games forum and it has no effect on me whatsoever. However, I don't see why we should have to sit back and endure the high level of hypocrisy in this thread. You can't have it both ways. You want the face-offs gone due to the fact they are SPAM but don't want to remove the games forum even though the same argument can be even more heavily applied to them. The only fair options are to either:

- delete both the Games forum and the Face-Offs subforum
- move the face-offs subforum from the General Pokemon Discussion forum to the Games forum

I think the latter is the most sensible. I mean, the former is awfully radical whereas the second will most likely shut everyone up. Which, on these forums would be quite an achievement!

MondoTR
28th February 2006, 1:20 PM
You want the face-offs gone due to the fact they are SPAM but don't want to remove the games forum even though the same argument can be even more heavily applied to them.
May I ask who you were talking to here? Because you said it a little bit after quoting me and I can't tell if you were saying it to me, the other people in this thread, or both. if I was the one you were talking to then it doesn't apply to me because I didn't say I wanted them gone for that reason.

Komedic Konservationist
28th February 2006, 5:58 PM
That is completely illogical. People put work into RPGs, Fan art, and fanfiction. On the other hand, face offs are just "I vote for _____" where's the effort? There's none at all. Its 10 or less word posts to see who wins a contest with no prize.

Don't start mixing things that have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
These things are all based around one principal, and that is FUN. Some people do find the simplicity of face-offs fun. It's just a basic, no-nonsence game were yoou can dive in and stroll about when you're bored.
You know what, you are targeting face-offs the same way in which soccer mums target Pokemon for extremly silly reasons. If face-offs are boring for you, stay away form them, and don't get involved. It's as simple as that. Leave face-offs to people who care; it's not as if they get in the way or anything. If they were just floating around the Pokepolls and kept on popping up, then it would be more understandable.
If you ban face-offs, many people will be extremly unhappy and it will cause more upset than the face-offs did. Show some consideration for what other people want. Let's look at this logically; if face-offs are deleted, people who enjoy them will be extremly upset, and people who don't enjoy them just won't give a damn. If they stay, people who enjoy them will be happy and people who don't approve of them can just let them be and get along with there lives. It's as simple as that. In other words; DON'T BAN FACE-OFFS. PEOPLE ENJOY THEM. THE END.

MondoTR
28th February 2006, 6:05 PM
The face-offs do have alot of problems though.
Such as? If you have any problems in face-offs then PM me about it.

Shigaiko
28th February 2006, 6:47 PM
You're all talking in a futuristic perspective. For now, the face-offs forum is still in place, and I can't see any reason why other types of face-offs shouldn't be considered.

Maybe limiting it to anime/manga/games would be suggestable?

SHUCKLE MAN
28th February 2006, 7:32 PM
I think that the face-offs section is okay. It should not be banned. I am stuck for time at the moment and I cannot post in the RMT forums anymore because they take to long usually. However, I can always go too the face-offs section occasionally and post in a few face-offs. They are fun and if they went I would not be on these forums anywhere near as often. Face-offs are a good way of realizing who other members like and who I like. I have discovered that many members like certain Pokemon who I always thought are disliked by everyone. It is also nice to see a certain Pokemon win a face-off that has been going on for 1 year and it is great to think 'If I had not posted in that face-off in September, Meganium would not have reached the finals'. The forums are fun for me. Please let them stay. I can understand no member face-offs but the other face-offs are fine in my eyes and they should not be a problem for anyone else.

Akilah Imani
28th February 2006, 7:37 PM
*flies in* PSYCHO TO THE RESCUE!

This thread isn't about whether or not face-offs should be banned. It was made with the sole-purpose of suggesting a 'Miscellaneous Face-offs' section, which has undoubtly received a 'No' from both ends. Anything further is just a load of useless wining and bickering -_-

These things are all based around one principal, and that is FUN. Some people do find the simplicity of face-offs fun. It's just a basic, no-nonsence game were yoou can dive in and stroll about when you're bored.
You know what, you are targeting face-offs the same way in which soccer mums target Pokemon for extremly silly reasons. If face-offs are boring for you, stay away form them, and don't get involved. It's as simple as that. Leave face-offs to people who care; it's not as if they get in the way or anything. If they were just floating around the Pokepolls and kept on popping up, then it would be more understandable.
If you ban face-offs, many people will be extremly unhappy and it will cause more upset than the face-offs did. Show some consideration for what other people want. Let's look at this logically; if face-offs are deleted, people who enjoy them will be extremly upset, and people who don't enjoy them just won't give a damn. If they stay, people who enjoy them will be happy and people who don't approve of them can just let them be and get along with there lives. It's as simple as that. In other words; DON'T BAN FACE-OFFS. PEOPLE ENJOY THEM. THE END.
You completely misunderstood what Esperante meant. He wasn't saying ban them, he was saying that you should not compare them to RPGs, fanfiction, and fanart because they are unmitigatedly different. More work is put into them alone than there is a in face-off between -insert whatever here-. It is entirely incongruous to compare a 'face-off' to something of such caliber as an RPG or fanfic.

Really, it doesn't matter. The forums aren't going to die just because there aren't any 'Miscellaneous Face-offs'. Sure its a suggestion, something that can be taken into consideration, but all of this isn't exactly needed. Face-offs aren't truly worth making such ado over, as there are more important things that could be attented to >_>

Just leave things the way they are and whatever happens will happen :/

Psycho

Kaiserin
1st March 2006, 2:20 AM
However, it seems to be very hard for any moderators to comprehend the idea of the Games forum being just as spammy as the face-offs. I have no problem with the games but they are just as much SPAM as the face-offs. Can nobody explain to me how threads such as "Throw and object at the user above you" or "How off-topic can you go?" or "Post a lie about the above poster" require any more thought or effort than the face-offs?

Actually, I'm all for games being gone, as I think they're spam and somewhat stupid as well. Though, I haven't really said anything about it up till now.

EDIT:


You're all talking in a futuristic perspective. For now, the face-offs forum is still in place, and I can't see any reason why other types of face-offs shouldn't be considered.

Maybe limiting it to anime/manga/games would be suggestable?

You obviously haven't been reading the thread, then.

Locke Yggdrasill
1st March 2006, 3:01 AM
Meh. I read the thread. No comment. But I have a proposal.
What about a triannual member faceoff, that would be placed in Misc.? Since it's kind of obvious that we won't ever see the member face off in Faceoffs ever again, but due to it's popularity, shouldn't it be ressurected?

O Fortuna
1st March 2006, 7:35 AM
You want the face-offs gone due to the fact they are SPAM but don't want to remove the games forum even though the same argument can be even more heavily applied to them.

May I ask who you were talking to here? Because you said it a little bit after quoting me and I can't tell if you were saying it to me, the other people in this thread, or both. if I was the one you were talking to then it doesn't apply to me because I didn't say I wanted them gone for that reason.

Sorry for that. I probably should have spaced that a little better. The paragraph directly below the quote is a respons to what your quote says and the rest beneath that is a general statement to all.


Actually, I'm all for games being gone, as I think they're spam and somewhat stupid as well. Though, I haven't really said anything about it up till now.

That's good to hear. As I've said, I have no desire to see the face-offs stay or go. I am rather ambivalent towards them. As I've said before, I just think it should be fair rather than removing one problem and leaving an extremely similar one there but I'm glad to see at least two of you think that way rather than just seeing the world through Serebii's eyes as some mods seem to.

Volteon
1st March 2006, 6:02 PM
I wouldnīt like the misc. face-offs, itīd be pointless and Iīm almost sure that it wonīt work as well than the poké face-offs...
no again for the "extinction" of the face-offs section, itīs fun and I finally found something that I can do everyday here.
but the games section... it IS pointless, the only good thing there, is the caption contest, it increases creativity and we win something for the sig. (donīt look my sig)