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Salamance
13th September 2006, 7:20 PM
Dusclops@Leftovers
Calm Nature
EV's: Post EV's for this moveset not yours
-Calm mind
-Icebeam
-Will-o-Wisp
-Painsplit

aragornbird
13th September 2006, 8:04 PM
Nah, Curse sucks. Dusclops’s HP is already poor, so the opponent can easily take one out at half health before it has a chance to rest.

CM is okay, but you have to make it Bold and max out it’s HP and put a ton into Defense. CM takes care of your special stats.

WhiteWizard42
13th September 2006, 10:17 PM
second set sucks.

dusclops @ leftovers
careful nature
EVs: max HP, enough in each defense for them to be even, with maybe a little more SDef. WoW cuts physical attack, so you should be covered.
- WoW
- Pain Split
- Shadow Ball
- SToss/Focus Punch

Rudibaker
14th September 2006, 1:00 AM
second set sucks.

dusclops @ leftovers
careful nature
EVs: max HP, enough in each defense for them to be even.
- WoW
- Pain Split
- Night Shade
- SToss/Focus Punch

Curse doesnt suck...You should use Mean Look/Confuse Ray before you use it.

Dont use Night Shade and SToss...they do the same thing

I wouldnt put any attack moves on Dusclops

Rest should be somewhere on your set.

howdodo
14th September 2006, 1:07 AM
Dusclops@lefties
Impish(something related)
-Curse
-Night Shade/Seismic Toss
-Pain Split/Rest
-WoW

PatTar
14th September 2006, 1:13 AM
Dusclops @ Lefties
Impish Nature (+Def. -Sp. Atk)
Trait: Pressure
- W-o-W
- Shadow Ball
- Seismic Toss
- Pain Split

is an alternative set. it's sorta different, but it's my favorite.

WhiteWizard42
14th September 2006, 1:19 AM
arg. brain isn't working, i meant to say shadow ball on my above set, not Night Shade. mad mod got the set, though i like careful better, since you have WoW to protect you from physical attackers.

edited.


Curse doesnt suck...You should use Mean Look/Confuse Ray before you use it.

Dont use Night Shade and SToss...they do the same thing

I wouldnt put any attack moves on Dusclops

Rest should be somewhere on your set.

ML/Curse is wasting moveslots. and curse or confuse ray without ML is just asking your opponent to switch on you, so you lost half your HP and wasted 2 turns, to do 1/4 damage to one of your opponent's pokemon.

SToss is its main way to deal damage. shadow ball is just to hit things that are immune to SToss. since it hits for super-effective damage, it's worth using. also, against a bad alakazam, or if it has enough attack IVs/EVs, shadow ball OHKOs alakazam.

why would it use rest when it has pain split? maybe on the CMClops set, to ditch status, but i don't see the point on the standard set.

Shadow Tyranitar
14th September 2006, 3:42 AM
My dusclops had:

attract
confuse ray
curse
WoW

...all of those moves can be applied to a single target.Attract the target,if possible,then confuse ray,then WoW,then curse.That's how my dusclops was,I don't believe dusclops is a straight-forward attacker,but ice beam and psychic are also good.........

PatTar
14th September 2006, 7:19 AM
^ewww.

my set ftw.

Salamance
14th September 2006, 5:42 PM
If your going to post a moveset then post EV's its what I asked for if not don't bother posting at all I already know what moveset I'm using(the Calm minding one). And when you do post them post numbers, don't just say put a few in this and a few in that thats not helping.

magnemiteZ
14th September 2006, 6:18 PM
no one who has posted so far knows Evs.

WW prolly does.
but that's it.


Dusclops (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 64 Atk / 96 Def / 96 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Seismic Toss or Focus Punch
- Shadow Ball
- Pain Split
- Will-O-Wisp

aragornbird
14th September 2006, 7:41 PM
I know EVs, but since this is in-game, Dusclops may need more or less EVs in either Defense or Special Defense depending on its IVs.

EVs: 252 HP / 24 Atk / 140 Def / 92 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)

Max HP always. It only needs 24 Atk EVs (more or less) to OHKO Alakazam with Shadow Ball and OHKO Houndoom with Focus Punch. The defenses also allow it to survive two unSTABed Shadow Balls or two unSTABed Crunches from around 350 Atk/Sp. Atk.

Salamance
14th September 2006, 8:05 PM
Can you post EV's for my calm minding dusclops please.

magnemiteZ
14th September 2006, 8:42 PM
I know for a fact you don't know Evs aragornbird.
Mainly because you just copied and pasted what you said from Smogon ._.

http://www.smogon.com/rs/strategies/dusclops

sad really.



CM Version might be listed abover at smogon.

aragornbird
14th September 2006, 9:03 PM
Of course I know EVs. I’ve written a whole guide on my site about them here (http://www.arkeis.com/evs.htm)

Also, I didn’t copy from Smogon. I used Netbattle’s damage calculator to figure out optimal EVs. Check for yourself. A Dusclops with 181 Attack cannot OHKO standard Alakazam with 4 HP Evs because it will still have 1% remaining. But if you add one more point it to make it 182, then it’ll do 100% damage.

magnemiteZ
14th September 2006, 9:11 PM
Evs I gave kick blissey's ***, and 2HKO.

._.

theblackpearl719
15th September 2006, 2:28 AM
Nah, Curse sucks. Dusclops’s HP is already poor, so the opponent can easily take one out at half health before it has a chance to rest.

CM is okay, but you have to make it Bold and max out it’s HP and put a ton into Defense. CM takes care of your special stats.
curse is a good attack and dusclops is creepy just like duskull their both equally creepy creepy pokemon

howdodo
15th September 2006, 3:44 AM
y even put an attack move on dusclops?

aragornbird
15th September 2006, 3:46 AM
Because it can actually kill things with a few EVs.

howdodo
15th September 2006, 3:54 AM
yeah but its attack is horrible anyway its more of a stalling-tank

Tazzler
15th September 2006, 4:01 AM
Rest>Pain Split.

Shadow Tyranitar
15th September 2006, 6:34 PM
Of course I know EVs. I’ve written a whole guide on my site about them here (http://www.arkeis.com/evs.htm)

Also, I didn’t copy from Smogon. I used Netbattle’s damage calculator to figure out optimal EVs. Check for yourself. A Dusclops with 181 Attack cannot OHKO standard Alakazam with 4 HP Evs because it will still have 1% remaining. But if you add one more point it to make it 182, then it’ll do 100% damage.

Ummm.....That link above is the basics,so your point wasn't proven.Even clowns like me know the basics.You have not prooved you know evs by showing a link to the basics.......................

aragornbird
15th September 2006, 8:56 PM
Oh really? If you knew me from Smogon forums or Pokecommunity, you would know that I have a good knowledge of EVs for every Pokémon set out there. Want proof? Meet me on Netbattle. End of discussion.

Shadow Tyranitar
15th September 2006, 9:17 PM
When I started up my Netbattle thingy last month,my computer got a virus from the Hubertware.So I just shut the whole damn thing down.

howdodo
16th September 2006, 1:53 AM
well how could we face u if we wanted too? and EVERY set out there? lol right.....

Shadow Tyranitar
16th September 2006, 2:02 AM
who r u talking to,howdodo?Me or aragornbird?

howdodo
16th September 2006, 2:09 AM
aragornbird seeing ur computer crashed.....

Shadow Tyranitar
16th September 2006, 2:16 AM
Yeah,about 2 weeks after I shut it down the computer crashed for the first time ever.I could go back,but why re-live the problem?

Tazzler
16th September 2006, 4:16 AM
Ummm.....That link above is the basics,so your point wasn't proven.Even clowns like me know the basics.You have not prooved you know evs by showing a link to the basics.......................

Knowing the basics does not credit you the ability of making good ev spreads. To be good at eving your pokemon, you have to split the evs just right so your pokemon can achieve the highest potential of its role that you have given it.

Shadow Tyranitar
16th September 2006, 4:20 AM
^thats exactly what I'm saying,all the link is is the basics,and when I tell him this I get the lame excuse "meet me on Netbattle"..........

Tazzler
16th September 2006, 4:24 AM
Okay, my post was worthless. No one take it into consideration. ;/ I think ab knows about evs.

Shadow Tyranitar
16th September 2006, 4:41 AM
he prolly does,but that link didn't prove anything.AB,if you're reading this,post a link to prove it............

aragornbird
16th September 2006, 5:05 AM
How can someone post a link to prove that they know EVs? Like I said before, you can tell if a person knows about EVs by fighting them in a battle.

Shadow Tyranitar
16th September 2006, 5:16 AM
just make a link to a couple damn pokemon,showing their best evs/nature.I can't battle you so just show the damn pokemon.(PM me,since this thread is getting clogged)

SapphireL
16th September 2006, 10:07 AM
Let's get back to talking about Dusclops, shall we? ¬_¬ (if there's anything else to discuss...)

Tazzler
16th September 2006, 7:14 PM
Rest/Sleep Talk/Shadow Ball/Will-o-Wisp.

Shadow Tyranitar
16th September 2006, 7:25 PM
curse/mean look/WoW/confuse ray

PatTar
16th September 2006, 8:04 PM
^no.

Shadow Ball/W-o-W/Rest/Seismic Toss @ Careful Nature

IMO.

Shadow Tyranitar
16th September 2006, 8:13 PM
^he shouldn't be an attacker,either.IMO

PatTar
16th September 2006, 8:18 PM
he's not really attacking. you'll mostly use Seimic Toss for attack, but shadow ball is there to hit other ghosts.

Shadow Tyranitar
16th September 2006, 8:22 PM
^I didn't say he was attacking.And trust me,I know what the moves are for.Doesn't curse affect other ghosts?If so, then you don't need to screw around fighting a ghost type.just switch.

PatTar
16th September 2006, 8:24 PM
you did say he was attacking.


he's not really an attacker,either.IMO.

why use curse when there are better options?

magnemiteZ
16th September 2006, 8:27 PM
I will speak for everyone when I say;

Shadow Tyranitar; shut up. ffs.

Tazzler
16th September 2006, 8:29 PM
^no.

Shadow Ball/W-o-W/Rest/Seismic Toss @ Calm Nature

IMO.

Careful......

PatTar
16th September 2006, 8:31 PM
woops. you're right.

*Edits*

Shadow Tyranitar
16th September 2006, 8:34 PM
I said he isn't really an attacker,that means he shouldn't have attacking moves,just status and crap.My god, I didn't say he was an attacker!There are better options than curse,but I listed that because its 1 of my favorite moves on dusclops.It clearly says in the quote he shouldn't be an atker!Idiot!

magnemiteZ
16th September 2006, 8:36 PM
Learn Pokemon please.
then post ._.

suggestion: don't post in CRMT until you really know Pokemon well. Else you will get mocked ._.

PatTar
16th September 2006, 8:36 PM
he's not really attacking. you'll mostly use Seimic Toss for attack, but shadow ball is there to hit other ghosts.

must i repeat myself?

and please, stfu.

EDIT: at S_T

Shadow Tyranitar
16th September 2006, 8:39 PM
you SYFM.I never said dusclops was attacking.I said he shouldn't have attacking moves IMO.

magnemiteZ
16th September 2006, 8:42 PM
didn't think it was aimed at me anyway.



I never said dusclops was attacking.I said he shouldn't have attacking moves IMO.
While everyone else says it should.
._.

PatTar
16th September 2006, 8:42 PM
OMG. your not making any sense.

for the sake of all our sanity, please stop posting.

EDIT: at S_T..... again....

Shadow Tyranitar
16th September 2006, 8:46 PM
Thanx for the advice you 2.Nothing was directed at F_M.I will really take *learning pokemon* and *make sense* into deep consideration.I am a clown.

PatTar
16th September 2006, 8:53 PM
Nothing was directed at F_M.

umm.....


I will really take *learning pokemon*

i think this was.

Tazzler
16th September 2006, 8:53 PM
Maggggggggggnetoooooooon knows his pokemon well.

magnemiteZ
16th September 2006, 9:05 PM
._.


Nothing was directed at F_M.
I was talking to mad mod.
replying to his post;

must i repeat myself?

and please, stfu.

EDIT: at S_T

PatTar
16th September 2006, 9:09 PM
if nothing was directed at F_M why did he say "you 2"?

magnemiteZ
16th September 2006, 9:12 PM
no Idea.
and tbh, I really couldn't care less.

Shadow Tyranitar
17th September 2006, 12:40 AM
This is a weird mix of funny and lame.........

PatTar
17th September 2006, 12:55 AM
what is?

..

Shadow Tyranitar
17th September 2006, 1:00 AM
MY LIFE!

if anyone complains about the DP earlier I'll cut their throat........

PatTar
17th September 2006, 1:06 AM
you double posted. delete one while cutting my throat please.

=]]]

Shadow Tyranitar
17th September 2006, 1:10 AM
delete th 3 you have in the other thread before I cut your throat please.

PatTar
17th September 2006, 1:11 AM
i did. =]]]

EDIT: a while back, actually.

Shadow Tyranitar
17th September 2006, 1:15 AM
well.......I......'m a lil' slowwwwww in ttthu heead.?!? ... . . . . . !

SapphireL
17th September 2006, 6:23 AM
>__> I don't think there's anything else to discuss since this is getting spammy...

closed.