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shinyrayquaza
17th October 2006, 1:41 AM
since Sachiko either did or stopped drawing, I've taken it upon myself to create a new thread for people like myself, who dont just read manga, but make it. Don't be shy! everyone wants to hear your ideas

BattleFranky~40
17th October 2006, 1:46 AM
Mangos are good


unlike most fan-made manga ideas.

That Scary Clefairy
17th October 2006, 7:47 AM
You saw my art work in the previous one, but i'll post my new series, characters up soon, even though I don't consider it a manga, not a mango....

MugenKeiji
17th October 2006, 8:23 AM
My own mango would be crossbred with Dragonfruit and Guavas for the ULTIMATE in fruit. Then I'd make a killing on the patent as I sell it En Masse to Kerns, Dole and Welch's...possibly even Snapple and the Coca Cola company (for Minute Maid) but I'd feel safer knowing that it'll be made in a juice that contains a 100% DV of Vitamin C first.

My man-GA would have super-soldiers, dragons, fairies, action, romance and stuff that's NOT W.I.T.C.H or the Winx Club material (ie no product line attached).

Forgive me though as I will use anachronisms, controversial allegories and maybe, just maybe attack the universe's integrity by pulling a Planet of the Apes with the "Ha ha, it was OUR earth in the future suckers!" near the end.

HK
18th October 2006, 12:54 AM
Mangos are good


unlike most fan-made manga ideas.

I believe you mean "fanboy-made" manga ideas. I'd, or rather my arrogance, would say that there are a fair share of manga fans who have better understanding and visions of storytelling than a lot of manga-ka.


My own mango would be crossbred with Dragonfruit and Guavas for the ULTIMATE in fruit. Then I'd make a killing on the patent as I sell it En Masse to Kerns, Dole and Welch's...possibly even Snapple and the Coca Cola company (for Minute Maid) but I'd feel safer knowing that it'll be made in a juice that contains a 100% DV of Vitamin C first.

Pepsi would still find a way to hose you down, if you're a conspiracy theorist and believe it, that is.

And, uh, as for what I would do if I honestly had any true talent in 2-D art and were born in Japan with the knowledge I have now (an oxymoron, but bear with me), I'd create some kind of abstract manga on human nature that still relies on characters to tell the story. It'd be like some bizarre mix between Hideo Yamamoto's layered stories (Homunculus, Ichi the Killer, Voyeur) that tackle sexual perversions within us all, Kiriko Nananan's (Blue, Heartless *****) incomparably brilliant and utterly realistic dialogue, disturbing and unrelenting content that would make Kentaro Miura (Berserk) and Jiro Matsumoto (Freesia, Keep on Vibrating, Uncivilized Planet) blush, and last but not least a fusion between Tsutomu Nihei's structures and vast emptiness (Blame!), Yoshitoshi ABe's general style for characters and backgrounds (character designer for Haibane Renmei, NieA_7, Serial Experiments Lain, Texhnolyze), and Taiyo Matsumoto's cinematic pacing (Black & White, Blue Spring, Hanaotoko).

If anyone on this forum recognizes the majority of the names and titles that I just went off on, then congratulations, consider yourself a part of an indescribable and undefinable section of manga fans.

shinyrayquaza
19th October 2006, 2:03 AM
heh.... sorry bout the typo. I coulda sworn i didn't say that originally. oh well, maybe i was in a hurry. i like mangoes too. BTW, the Guava/Dragonfruit/ mango idea sounds awesome. i call it "Guavangofruit"!!

Meowth! That's right!
19th October 2006, 9:11 AM
Mmm mangos. :D

MugenKeiji
19th October 2006, 12:14 PM
heh.... sorry bout the typo. I coulda sworn i didn't say that originally. oh well, maybe i was in a hurry. i like mangoes too. BTW, the Guava/Dragonfruit/ mango idea sounds awesome. i call it "Guavangofruit"!!

You've got a future in the market. The naming alone grants you 50% of the profits.

Argento
19th October 2006, 2:57 PM
I saw the mango from the frontpage and man, I love mangos.

I don't do manga though, my comics resesmble a mix of American and Japanese influence but leans more toward correctness; I.E., eyes don't take up half my character's heads, and they actually have noses.

Rex Kamex
19th October 2006, 9:40 PM
I saw the mango from the frontpage and man, I love mangos.

I don't do manga though, my comics resesmble a mix of American and Japanese influence but leans more toward correctness; I.E., eyes don't take up half my character's heads, and they actually have noses.

Technically, that counts. What you described is the stereotypical anime/manga look anyway.

shinyrayquaza
20th October 2006, 2:13 AM
OKAY!!! o- FRIGGIN-kay!!! the mangoes are getting old and rotten. i shall throw them into the garbage disposal, and they shan't be mentioned AGAIN!!! now. dont be afraid to share... ^_^

Sushi Bunny
20th October 2006, 4:09 AM
My own mango.Oops!I mean my own manga!;)
This is a VERY original story.
Okay heres what happens,
someone falls into a well and goes to feudal Japan.
After they get to feudal Japan they fall into a book that takes them to future Japan.Then they fall in a toilet and end up in feudal england.And while their there they steal the crown from the king,and the crown ends up taking them to future future japan.And in this story theres a person who you can't tell if their a guy or a girl.And theres one of those weird ufo creatures that looks like a mango.

How do you like my story?:D

Sachiko
30th October 2006, 2:21 PM
since Sachiko either did or stopped drawing, I've taken it upon myself to create a new thread for people like myself, who dont just read manga, but make it. Don't be shy! everyone wants to hear your ideas

Oh my gosh! You're turning into me!!

...Which was the point. Thanks for creating this new thread, shinyrayquaza!! ^____^

Here (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=100365) is the first thread.

I stopped posting in the last thread because activity was slowing down, and I had already posted about my manga, Mitashi, like, 26 times. ...Oooh, wanna hear about it again???1 Okay, so-

Everyone: NO!!!!! We know, we know, that girl lived on an island and went to a school and something about around the world and fighting evil... wasn't her name Kanaki???

Sachi: Kinari.

Everyone: That's what we said!!

Sachi: Well, here is every post about Mitashi. It's confusing. Yes, it is. I also have corrections/updates/things that have changed. And there are a lot of them...

Seasons (they should be called arcs but I like to call them seasons!) 1, 2.0, and 2.5 (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=2556907&postcount=8)
1. Tora's name is changed to Tara!
2. Huey's not Russian...! He's just going to be American.
3. The guy Sofia was cheating on Huey with is named Alben.
4. Brittany and Huey get together on March 8th, my birthday. Some kind of chemistry or something happens between them on Valentine's Day, but then something goes wrong (it may be when Brittany breaks the thing Huey made for his sister Jenna.). They make a big deal about how the day is not special, in comparison to Valentine's Day.
5. Raichi turns out to be a jerk. Anne breaks it off with her.
6. Nayzie was created for the sole reason that I liked that name.
7 In the summer (season 2.4!!), there are many several short plots, like in GALS! But there will be a longer special story, 2 or 3 chaps, called Boys' Night Out!!! in which the what I call "boys' group" of Mitashi goes to some restaraunt/club/whatever and run into troublmakers who may be violent. It's a weird story. Also, the girls have a chick flick sleepover night thing. One scene that I thought of is this: When Huey forgets to return something (dunno what it'll be) to Brittany that he borrowed, that they need for a game at the sleepover, Brittany, overly emotional, calls Huey on his cell and complains. The boys are trying to escape the troublemakers I mentioned earlier. The police might get involved.
Huey: Uh.... I don't have time to talk right now.
Brittany: Huh??? Is it that I'm not important or something?!? (she thinks he is still having dinner.)
Huey: No! It's not that. I just... uh... this is not the best time...
Brittany: Is that a police car I heard??
Huey: Um, we're watching a movie in the restaraunt... (the one they went to doesn't have any movies or anything.)
The convo goes something like this. And so on and so forth...
The boys are... Michael, Huey, Dylan (Michael's roomate and friend), Alben, and another kid who's Michael's friend (he's black.)
The girls are... Kinari, Anne, Brittany, Raichi, Mesunai, and Hanilla (random girl I made up. I've mentioned her before. I'm making her Mesunai's friend.)
8. Ignore the "Also that summer..." paragraph.
9. I'm making Mesunai at Mitashi for seventh grade. She was originally going to be Raichi's roomate in 8th grade, and that's why she was supposed to come in 2.5.
10. Something I'm adding to 2.5: Part of Einaka's sad love life. She falls for an 11th grader named Eric (who's also black!), and she meets him because of a tutoring program. She thinks they are getting closer, and she's very happy. But one day, another girl (in the 11th grade as well) is with Eric during tutoring, and Eric, oblivious to the fact that Einaka has a crush on him, happily announces the 1-year anniversary of his relationship with that girl, a super nice girl named Quesna (1st name that popped into my head!). Einaka is very upset, because this is yet another time in her love life that an attempt at a relationship has been unsucessful (other times are never really mentioned in Mitashi, except mabe it happened a couple of times in the sitcom.). She tearfully explains to Quesna, at a time when they are alone, about her crush on Eric. Quesna understands, and gives her a hug, promising that one day Einaka will find love. As a sign of the promise, she gives her her necklace, which has a heart pendant that says "love" on it in cursive.
Seasons 3 and 4 (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=2663949&postcount=48)
11. It would be too hard to do a dying scene because of all the comedy in this manga. So, it's going to be a super-long coma... -__-U
12. Anne actually has had the disease her whole life.
13. Anne is not resurrected... her coma ends sooner than expected.
14. The ghost's name is Yori. (I got the idea for the name from the I"s character with a similar name... she has nothing to do with said character, though, just the name...) After all the globes are found, she develops a power that resurrects her (she died at age...uh....*thinks*....eight.), so she is in a normal, human form. She is that way in the 5th season. I'll probably make her die, though. She during the 4th and 5th season helps our heroes train and uses the Clear Globe to give them powers.
Season 5, and music (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=2665054&postcount=51)(ignore the part about the songs. I've changed that.)
15. Okay, bolding their names is lame....
16. I changed the setting of the 5th season. It will not completely take place on Earth, but between 3 different places: peoples' dreams(on Earth), several imaginary worlds, and an Earth-like planet (ELP because I haven't named it yet.).
Dreams: The evil force/people/you get the idea is trying to posess people on Earth by going into their dreams. The group has to go there too, to fight the evil. I haven't come up with anything else for this part. I might just take it out, but this was the original thing in the 5th season!!! And, I really want to keep it because it's interesting.
Imaginary worlds: The imaginary worlds are fantasy worlds that are accessed through this building that is mainly just a giant blue-carpeted hallway with huge portals on either side, that floats in space somewhere between Earth and the ELP. These worlds exist because, well, with the help of some magical power, there was a little girl who had written several stories, each with a different fantasy-ish setting, and she made those settings real. Actually, I should say that they are real in the sense that Kinari and co. can physically go into them, but they are in an imaginary dimension, with imaginary people and things, so anything that happens there doesn't really happen in real life. I guess that was the appealing thing for Einaka, who had a love life full of relationships that didn't work out, and pursued a love interest in one of the imaginary worlds, Arabialand. (if something went wrong with the relationship, it never really happened. She's just playing it safe.) The boy was Enen, and Einaka got closer to him (and his little yellow bird, Nene!!!) when she, Brittany, and Amare went to Arabialand together.
...But there's more to the story. I'll talk about it in a later post.
The ELP: Kinari and her friends and Yori find a way to reach the ELP via a rocket. The ELP is the only other planet in the universe with life, and it is similar to Earth, but there are no countries, just one giant country with a monarchy. There are still different skin colors. It is almost a perfect society that is more technologically advanced than Earth is. They are aware of Earth, even though Earth isn't aware of them. They correctly see Earth as inferior. They want to research it, but they (well, most of them) don't know how to get there! The royal family was made up of a king, a queen, and their children, but something happened to the parents, and now the queen is their oldest child, a 23-year-old woman named Siren. 3-4 brothers and sisters are the princes and princesses. Siren maintains complete control over the planet, but everyone is happy under her rule because she is not oppressive. As I said, the society is close to perfect. Siren, however, has many people working for her that are very loyal, and also a super-genius mind. She is trying to control Earth or something like that. (I am trying to think of something better!) Her diabolical group is called Alarm (Apparently, it was not one of Siren's creative days). Dr. Nagagski from the 3rd season was a member of Alarm, it turns out. ...Kinari and her gang are fighting Alarm on this planet, too, as well as the other 2 places.
And you thought the Around-the-World saga was crazy!!! You know what? So did I. Then I made up more about the 5th season.
17. The most popular and famous of Siren's minions (does anyone say that word anymore???) are the Nitrogen Base Sisters, four girls that were created when Siren wanted to develop new weapons and she somehow created artificial DNA (with Siren, anything is possible!) from which grew the girls. They are not normal humans- they have the ability to grow wings, and they have lots of weird magical power. Again not on one of her creative days, Siren named the girls after the four nitrogen bases found in DNA: Adenine, Guanine, Thymine and Cytosine. There'll be more about them in the character guide that's coming later.
One thing I'm big on is names... (The other thing is hair!!!) I was sitting in Biology, one of my favorite subjects, and suddenly the thought came to me: 'Those bases would make interesting names!' I came up with faces, somehow, and then wondered where to use the characters. There are way too many of Kinari's friends and their friends and their friends' friends, so I thought, 'Why don't I make them some of the bad guys?? That'll be an interesting choice.' So I made up this fancy story about Siren and fake DNA. Right now, I'm drawing a picture with the four for the first time!!
18. I might change the name of Kinari's strongest move, but I really want to use it somewhere. Maybe one of the NB sisters can use a power with that name.
19. Tainma has powers that control wind, the strongest being a tornado (what else?).
20. Einaka's power is called "cloud", because it seems hidden, and clouds hide stuff. She can only control one object at a time, but maybe she will develop her skills and be able to control more. And when everyone realizes that the chair thing doesn't work well (Einaka almost falls off!), Yori uses a lot of whatever magic she has and seals some magic in one of those colorful childish caps with a propeller on top and gives it to Einaka. Now Einaka can control the propeller cap and one object at the same time. She puts it on, flicks the propeller, and she can fly!
21. Brittany does not want to train at first, but she realizes that she has to, and she gets a lot stronger. There are going to be cool combo attacks with her and Huey. Awesome!!!!!!!!
Info on the Mitashi Boarding School (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=2681380&postcount=64)
Music (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=3573122&postcount=152)
22. I've changed stuff, and so here is another list of all the songs. (Ignore the note about the 2.0 opening, 'cause I prefer Head-Scissors now!!) These are mostly AOL Radio songs. I thought it'd be fun to pretend to pick out theme songs for if Mitashi was an anime, and IT IS FUN!!! I am also doing the fake CD covers again (they were mentioned in the part I told you to ignore, I just realized...), and giving everyone new songs. I am starting them the same time as last year, which was late November.
Openings
1: V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N by Puffy AmiYumi
2: Head-Scissors by Shaka Labbits
2.4: Genshoku Gal Hadeni Ikube by Maki Goto
2.5: LOVE 2000 by Hitomi
3: Ring of Miracle by Angela
4: Jet by Aiko
5: Spring View by Remioromen
S: Feeling Fine by L’Arc~en~Ciel
Endings
1: Scramble by Maki Goto
2: Hello Smile by Aki Maeda
2.4: Air Wave by Yuki
2.5: Home Girls by Crystal Kay
3: 2-Star Commemoration Days by Ai Otsuka
4: Todokuna Traveler by Field of View
5: Legend by Mika Nakashima
L: Paradise by Hitomi
S: Walking on the Skyline by Yuki
SL: Akai Kutsu by Aiko
Character songs: (Old, New)
B: Love Destiny by Ayumi Hamasaki, Meeting Again- Story by Gackt
E: Sunrise by Puffy AmiYumi, Shippo no Uta by Maaya Sakamoto
An: The Silence by Porno Graffiti, Soliloquy by Kotoko
T: After School by Chicochair, Yoryo Akenaide by B'z
M: AM 11:00 by Hyde, Mirror by Gackt
Am: Through the Dark by Bonnie Pink, Orenjina Mangetsu by Aiko
Kinari: Shiseikatsu by Aiko, Koi no Etude by Puffy AmiYumi
Huey: Floatin’ by Chemistry, possibly Mugen by Porno Graffitti (that song is crazy!!!)
B/H: Love So Pure by Puffy Amiyumi
Sitcom info and characters (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=3271677&postcount=117) (this is where Hanilla, with the sand-colored hair, is mentioned).
23. Lucas ends up moving to another part of the US...
24. Einaka's brainiac brother is named Ekaiden (watta dumb name.)!!


As you can see, I've put a lot of thought into all this... -_______-U (<----bigger than last time!!!)
...So no, I wouldn't exactly go as far as to say I've stopped drawing...


A quote from the last thread:

Okay guys, well, time to change the name of my manga!! (just kidding.) I searched Mitashi on the internet, kinda like you search your name for fun, and it turns out that Mitashi is an Indian electronics company!!! Which is actually pretty cool (I love electronics.). I don't know, I just thought that that name wouldn't be used anywhere else... oh well.
Here's the link (http://mitashi.com/), just for fun ^^

Random.


That's the end. Later I'll give everyone feedback on their manga ideas. If I remember. Even later than that, I'll have a huge character guide, more info about Arabiashipping (I'm starting to name my shippings!!! [lame.] It's Einaka and Enen.) and the story of Yori's life, which you all need to know because it's crucial to understanding the 5th season. Like, the entire 5th season revolves around Yori. Stories of the lives of other characters will be included on the character guide, but not in as much detail, since Yori's is so important.


BYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEE!!!!!!<3

That Scary Clefairy
30th October 2006, 2:45 PM
I'm doing a one-shot comic for my college class. I'll be having it online. When it is completed, I'll post the link up. The characters are from the major project i'm deeply dedicated towarded. Only 5 characters will show up in this one-shot.

Judai-and-sho
30th October 2006, 5:18 PM
I never did draw, but I did have 2 very short-lived manga ideas that I did.


One was Cosmic Frontier, where 3 kids each recieved mysterious powers when a mysterious cosmic imbalance occured.

The other was a similar story, Chosen, in which my friend helped draw the characters. The idea is similar but the story different. Instead of a cosmic event causing their powers, they were Chosen by a higher authority to recieve their powers after a tragic accident ended their lives.

Chosen eventually spun-off into my Mystery Drama, Chronicle, which is still going, but nealy finished.

HK
31st October 2006, 3:28 AM
I'm doing a one-shot comic for my college class. I'll be having it online. When it is completed, I'll post the link up. The characters are from the major project i'm deeply dedicated towarded. Only 5 characters will show up in this one-shot.

You know that I'm going to come at it from an unbiased viewpoint and go on and on about the storytelling itself, right? Uh, unless it's a balls-to-wall type of story with all kinds of sexiness, like Tenjho Tenge, I'm not going easy on ya when you put it up.

Yellow Bommen
31st October 2006, 4:01 AM
I'm doing a one-shot comic for my college class. I'll be having it online. When it is completed, I'll post the link up. The characters are from the major project i'm deeply dedicated towarded. Only 5 characters will show up in this one-shot.

Sounds swell. I still remember the last art you put up 'ere. 'Twas such a long time ago- I assume your style has changed, supposedly for the better. Anyhow, count me as one to look forward to the one-shot; though I admire your art, what I really want to see is the type of plots and story lines you can conjure.

That Scary Clefairy
31st October 2006, 4:55 AM
You know that I'm going to come at it from an unbiased viewpoint and go on and on about the storytelling itself, right? Uh, unless it's a balls-to-wall type of story with all kinds of sexiness, like Tenjho Tenge, I'm not going easy on ya when you put it up.

Dude, it's only 9 ****ing pages! Not to mention my first comic. This isn't Kentaro Muira or Frank Miller we're talking here.

This one won't happen in the actual series but just use it anyhow.

Basically It's this cute hot blonde college girl along with this alien priest dude, and the Warlord dude who is like a ****ing skyscraper. The three together are on their way to the ruins to uncover something for the Warlord until they came to an urrupt stop by someone...

Thank Yellow Bommen for the comment.

HK
31st October 2006, 5:13 AM
Dude, it's only 9 ****ing pages! Not to mention my first comic. This isn't Kentaro Muira or Frank Miller we're talking here.

I wouldn't call Miura's opening ventures stellar by any stretch of the imagination. Berserk Prototype was a fun "What if...?" which shows the signs of where he wanted to take Berserk, but it wasn't anything to write home about. Even though he illustrated his works with Buronson, King of Wolves is good for its action but not much beyond that, and Japan had me bringing back to Borders despite having already obviously opening up the packaging.

Point is, not all first works have to be utter masterpieces. In fact, most art. Just have to show some promise, really.


This one won't happen in the actual series but just use it anyhow.

Basically It's this cute hot blonde college girl along with this alien priest dude, and the Warlord dude who is like a ****ing skyscraper. The three together are on their way to the ruins to uncover something for the Warlord until they came to an urrupt stop by someone...

Do I smell a nice cliff-hanger?

Brinstar
31st October 2006, 5:39 AM
My own "manga", would be a comic series I've been working on for a while now. It's a comedy/fighting series and a tribute to my inspirations and favorite series, as well as heavy metal and punk music

Maybe I'll post up some art and stuff sometime... you can find alot of the characters in my Deviant Art gallery and on my LiveJournal... the story isn't completely ironed out or anything, but the general theme is anti-racism in a sense... similar to early X-Men works I guess.

That Scary Clefairy
31st October 2006, 5:41 AM
Point is, not all first works have to be utter masterpieces. In fact, most art. Just have to show some promise, really.

Again, it's 9 pges long, can't do much with that much. Plus this assignment is due at near end of December.


Do I smell a nice cliff-hanger?
You just won 5 million dollars and panties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had to since no way could I continue afterward by December 19. thanks to other work I have to do.

MugenKeiji
31st October 2006, 10:10 AM
You know that I'm going to come at it from an unbiased viewpoint and go on and on about the storytelling itself, right? Uh, unless it's a balls-to-wall type of story with all kinds of sexiness, like Tenjho Tenge, I'm not going easy on ya when you put it up.

Dude...lighten up.

I mean there's a ton of analogies I can use for this:

You don't become an expert chef overnight.

You don't become a great artist on your first drawing.

You certainly don't become a great writer on your first essay.

You don't become eligible for the Japanese Proficiency Exam by finishing the Beginner's Class.

You don't become an expert game developer just because you have a background in programming.

So why judge someone's first, practically part-time attempt at making a comic at the same level of the professionals? If there's anything I've learned about longer running Webcomics, Shmorky and dedicated Flash Animators like Joseph Blanchette (LegendaryFrog) or Chris Ushko (Macaroni Penguin), it's that the quality of their work gets better overtime.

Now to those who show NO improvement, like say, CubeToons (now IGN Toons...the Garfield of Webcomics, if not then divert to Ripped/Editted Sprite Comics)...THAT'S where you offer the heavy handed criticism.

I'm not saying cut everyone with a pencil and an story brewing in their head some slack. I'm just saying when is the time to do so and when stop the BS.
Usually the latter case is done when the artist shows no improvement over time.

And in That Scary Clefairy's case, which is something of passion but also an obligation because it's being done as a final project for a College semester (most likely sandwiched between other obligations), obviously he HAS to fufill the deadline...because no one wants to fail in class. I'd just say be critically cautious.

Criticism can be helpful to help an artist or writer strive to improve but you have to be firm, point out the weaknesses and remedy with advice. Too strict may discourage the artist just as well as too loose or "nice" can encourage complacency. It can be tough deciding on the "right" amount of pressure to apply, but you think less and less about it as you go along.

Don't go around saying "Oh, well you're not as seasoned as THIS writer" or "You need to draw more like THIS artist", it would be better to say "Oh, you should observe THESE OTHER artists for a better idea of where to take your style." or "You should see how THESE stories are written to get an idea of what to do with your characters or plot."

Remember, as a critic you hope for greatness but you push for improvement.

Now to pitch my dense, goofy unlikely main character, straightforward big-eyed weak main squeeze female character, overtly emo rival with a troubled past in an a series of life-or-death situations, bits of comedy as the main character butts heads, how the girl can't do s*** until WAY later and retell how the bright-eyed pure-hearted underdog is the clear winner, not the hard-working devoted fighter without anyone to shoot down my "original" ideas. Mwa ha ha!

That Scary Clefairy
31st October 2006, 2:43 PM
Thanks Mugen Keiji! Couldn't have said it any better. Well said. So far only three pages are done in pencil. I have to ink and then scan them.

Solar Crimson
31st October 2006, 3:32 PM
I'm not that good of an artist, but I have ideas down on paper and on my laptop.

Anyway, it's called Thunder Warrior Chris, and basically, it's another Shonen-type manga. Except I also plan to mix romance and comedy in it.

The main character, Chris Jackson (based off of me), was living a normal life in Detroit, until a package with no return address was found in his room. Inside of it was a katana, and when he touched it, electricity blasted out of it, struck him, and knocked him unconscious. Later, he learns to draw on his new powers to help him combat biologically engineered monsters and humans who belong to this organization that wants to take over the world (yes, clichéd, I know).

Also, I plan for this series to sport a large minority cast. Chris Jackson, since he's based off of me, is African American. The female lead and his teammate on most missions, Maria Sanchez, is Mexican American/Puerto Rican.

Arcs:
1. Detroit Arc- Basically the beginning and the setup for the whole series. In addition to Chris and Maria mentioned above, there are others who will fight with them. The main enemies in this arc are 7 bio-engineered animals, as well as several humans, and one gargoyle-like human (who was also bio-engineered).

2. Mana Pearls Arc- Chris and Maria travel around the world (which includes, of course, Japan) to hunt down the 10 Mana Pearls that regulate their abilities. They are also racing against a rival organization (of which most of the enemies in the first arc belonged) who are also hunting them down. The leader of the organization wants all 10 of them so that he can revive the great demon king at Stonehenge.

There are two more arcs, and two sequels that are still in the planning stages.

Pretty soon, I'm going to try my hand at drawing this.

WheelerTheViper
5th November 2006, 6:38 AM
Meh, the only manga that I have planned are pretty much doujins of Digimon, Pokemon and Kingdom Hearts (Separately. Well, for the KH one, not really...).

I did make a one-shot 8 page comic for my art class. It was about some teenage bounty hunters who went to an oasis to slay a dragon, in short. (The slaying had something to do with a whale :D )

HK
15th November 2006, 6:11 AM
You just won 5 million dollars and panties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can I get the five million dollars in gold?


Dude...lighten up.

Too damn serious to begin with to do that.


I mean there's a ton of analogies I can use for this:

<Aforementioned analogies.>

So why judge someone's first, practically part-time attempt at making a comic at the same level of the professionals? If there's anything I've learned about longer running Webcomics, Shmorky and dedicated Flash Animators like Joseph Blanchette (LegendaryFrog) or Chris Ushko (Macaroni Penguin), it's that the quality of their work gets better overtime.

You judge base on what's given and potential. I'm not asking the highest of quality work on a somewhat hurried, new endeavor into cartooning, but something tangible to work with.


Criticism can be helpful to help an artist or writer strive to improve but you have to be firm, point out the weaknesses and remedy with advice. Too strict may discourage the artist just as well as too loose or "nice" can encourage complacency. It can be tough deciding on the "right" amount of pressure to apply, but you think less and less about it as you go along.

Right, which is why I'm saying I'm going to be critical. I'm not going to look at his work as if it's some blasted Citizen Kane, but I'm sure as hell not going to type up some half-*ss post by saying, "OMG thats so damn kool TSC!! Your art looks relly good!!!!"


Don't go around saying "Oh, well you're not as seasoned as THIS writer" or "You need to draw more like THIS artist", it would be better to say "Oh, you should observe THESE OTHER artists for a better idea of where to take your style." or "You should see how THESE stories are written to get an idea of what to do with your characters or plot."

I wasn't aware that I gave the impression that I would going to state anything similar to that. >_>


Remember, as a critic you hope for greatness but you push for improvement.

Of course, otherwise he won't have any credibility when he does the covers for my novels. [/Money in the bank!]


Now to pitch my dense, goofy unlikely main character, straightforward big-eyed weak main squeeze female character, overtly emo rival with a troubled past in an a series of life-or-death situations, bits of comedy as the main character butts heads, how the girl can't do s*** until WAY later and retell how the bright-eyed pure-hearted underdog is the clear winner, not the hard-working devoted fighter without anyone to shoot down my "original" ideas. Mwa ha ha!

No wonder Naruto is so damn popular.

Sachiko
22nd November 2006, 10:39 PM
I promised you people a few things, including a character guide and responses to other people. I've still got some more to write on the character guide, and I wanted to post here, and so I am just going to do the responses now.

To SushiBunny: Uh, moving on...
To That Scary Clefairy: HURRY UP!!! Me wants to see it!!
To Judai-and-Sho: I actually liked the first one better, where a comic caused the kid's powers. The second one sounds like YuYu Hakusho.
To Brinstar: Sounds exciting, but the fact that the theme is anti-racism makes the story a bit depressing... oh well. I went to your DeviantArt and LiveJournal to look at the artwork... it's really nice... especially the shading!! Great job!!!
To Solar Crimson: It's cliche, yes, but don't worry. You can still make it good. But I like the whole idea. I definately want to hear about the other arcs, and see your drawings.
To WheelerTheViper: That one shot... random, yet really interesting.

Let's see... So far, the character guide (itself, not the before notes) is... 1,997 words!!! <3

Like I said, info about Yori and Arabiashipping are coming later. In fact, you know what?? I'm just going to have a post about all the Mitashi shippings.

But for now, anyone else have an idea to share? Drawings?? Critiques??? ANYTHING???!! ...Post it right here!!

MasterMind_Trainer77
23rd November 2006, 4:24 AM
I have one sort of. Like I didnt draw it into a Manga Comic or anything. But I made it into Volumes and Made Chapters like a Manga. I also did Draw My Characters.

Xiang
23rd November 2006, 6:16 AM
I'm no professional or near one, being just an inexperienced twelve-year-old ^-^ But for fun, I've designed characters for a little manga thing I'm making. It's based on my real life, because a lot of my life has school conflicts. I don't find it particularly strong in plot (because there is hardly a PLOT to my life, just conflict) or understanding (you have to go to my school to get most of the things) or interesting (oh! my life, how exciting) but since I've stuck to this idea for so long I thought I should work on it. Not like its going to be published or anything like that. I'd have to be a child prodigy for that to happen.

The main characters are:
Michiyo- the main character. Generous and sensitive, but not very smart. She’s athletic and enthusiastic. Has brown eyes, black hair, and a really soft spot for Rikkun. Hates candy. Loves sweet potatoes and curry.

Anima- a spirit living as Michiyo’s alter personality. Cold, sarcastic, and moody, you don’t want to mess with her. Has purple hair, green eyes, and likes to hang out with Keiko. Hates radish and Rikkun. Loves pineapple.

Keiko- one of Michiyo’s best friends and Anima’s only best friend. Clever with a sharp tongue, funny, and really sarcastic. Dresses in black and has brown-black hair with red eyes. Hates Zaku, but used to like him, and IDRP. Loves humiliating or laughing at stupid Hairi.

Sora- another one of Michiyo’s best friends. Compassionate and bubbly, she dresses in green clothes and has brown hair and “eyes as gold and pure as her cheese.” She loves almost everything, especially cheese. Rikkun is her stepbrother and his dad is her stepfather.

Riku- Michiyo’s love and Anima’s hate. Michiyo affectionately gave him the nickname “Rikkun” in sixth grade and called him by that ever since. Sora is his stepsister and her mom is his stepmother. He has long and layered purple hair and blue eyes. More feminine that he is supposed to be, kind of conceited. Hates being bullied and has a soft spot for Michiyo.
(copied and pasted out of my computer)

The information is based on real life, but not the same.

Like I said, I don't have a real plot yet. "Keiko-chan" is writing one up at the moment. What I have is like this:

Michiyo likes Rikkun, and everyone's known for at least a year. But when Rikkun says something rather harsh to Michiyo (not directly, Keiko carried the message), Michiyo's is hurt. They eventually are friends again. Meanwhile, Anima, Michiyo's "alter ego thing", hates Rikkun to the core and cannot stand him. There is the rest of the school with their own problems and the famous IDRP, a research paper that stretches over 5 months of school.

Actually, this manga is not only based on my real life, but it almost is like my own journal or diary. I'll have to tweak it to make it more manga-like though.

Don't hold back. I know its flawed :) I just don't have any experience.

The Unown Water Master
23rd November 2006, 7:56 AM
What The? I eat Mangoes, not Own them lol.


I had been thinking of a series, but I never got around to making it......

Then along came Borat............

Bad Skitty
23rd November 2006, 12:32 PM
Some friends and I are currently writing one called G.O.D Projekt . Its set in the future where genetic engineering is pretty much at its peak. There are all sorts of weird businesses much like cosmetic surgeons of today but they sell made to order pets and plants. the main part of the story is about a scientist who becomes famous for creating the first angels, little do the public know about all the mutant 'failures' he keeps locked in his lab untill they inevitably escape and wreak havock. there is a lot of play on what is good/evil and how far mans part in 'creation' should actually go.

Korobooshi Kojiro
23rd November 2006, 5:03 PM
You know what would rule?

A manga about Serebii Forums. I'm serious.

Solar Crimson
23rd November 2006, 6:15 PM
I promised you people a few things, including a character guide and responses to other people. I've still got some more to write on the character guide, and I wanted to post here, and so I am just going to do the responses now.

To Solar Crimson: It's cliche, yes, but don't worry. You can still make it good. But I like the whole idea. I definately want to hear about the other arcs, and see your drawings.


Well, I'm not quite finished planning the other arcs, so I'll just put up some brief character bios for some of the main characters.

Chris Jackson: The main character, obviously. As explained earlier, he's African American. He uses a Katana as his weapon, and uses Lightning-based techniques, as well as the usual energy blade (which I dubbed Cresent Blade in this series) and increase his speed to near that of sound. He acts brave and tries his hardest to protect his friends, but he is a bit cocky and impatient.

Maria Sanchez: She makes her first appearance in the second chapter. Also explained, she is Mexican American oh her father's side, and Puerto Rican on her mother's side. She uses Time-based abilities, including her signature Chronos Arrow. She also fights with brute strength, which comes from her life as being in a female gang. She is usually kind and calm, but her demeanor swiftly changes in battles, where she shows no mercy.

Brittany Smith: One of Chris' best friend. She is African American, and short in stature. He was her very first friend, and is very protective of him, and even comes off as rough. She is also short-tempered, but deep down, she is very caring.

Joshua Gardner: Another of Chris' best friends. He is African American, and although he is an inch shorter than Chris, his afro makes him appear taller. He is childish and lecherous, but loyal.

Sonia Garcia: The last of Chris' best friends, and the first friend he ever had. She is Puerto Rican, and also Maria's cousin. She is very intelligent, and has always made her school's honor roll.

Felipe Santos: A graduate from Chris' high school. He is Mexican, and takes great pride in his heritage. He wields a sword, and controls Fire. He is very caring about those he love, and will stop at nothing to protect his community.

Ryuzaki Takahashi: A student from Japan, who appears in the Mana Pearls Arc. He is training to be a ninja. Well, actually, he just mimics what he sees on his favorite T.V. show, Nurota (guess where that came from :p). This has earned him the shunning of his peers. He and Chris became fast friends, and is called Ryu by him (in exchange, Ryuzaki calls him "Chris-kun").

Vicky Moreno: A rebellous girl who appears in the thrid arc, rescuing Chris from bring experimented on in a strange lab. She is Mexican American, and has Earth-based abilities. She also has a short sword, but she prefers to fight with her fists. She can be best described as a female version of Chris, since they have the same personalities. Also, she was in a rival gang of Maria's, and that caused problems when Chris brought her back to the HQ.

Lance Millard: Lance is one of the Captains of the organization in the second arc. He is Caucasian, and Canadian. He uses a lance as his weapon (surprise, surprise), and has Light-based abilities. Halfway through the Mana Pearls arc, he, along with his comrads, reform and join Chris, after finding out that they were bring used.

Komedic Konservationist
23rd November 2006, 6:57 PM
I have not only a mango, but also an apple, a pear, a raspberry, a banana, and a grape. I even had a strawberry during the summer. XD

Korobooshi Kojiro
23rd November 2006, 7:09 PM
Okay...after months of painstaking drawing, I present my own, original Mango: Ders Hitcht Sagen

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/Yukiwarashi/Mango.png

BattleFranky~40
24th November 2006, 7:12 AM
Okay...after months of painstaking drawing, I present my own, original Mango: Ders Hitcht Sagen

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/Yukiwarashi/Mango.png

That must have took 5 million hours in MS Paint!

The Unown Water Master
24th November 2006, 7:19 AM
You know what would rule?

A manga about Serebii Forums. I'm serious.

Not a bad Idea, but who's drawing it?

BattleFranky~40
24th November 2006, 7:22 AM
Not a bad Idea, but who's drawing it?

Someone who doesn't suck at drawing?

That Scary Clefairy
24th November 2006, 5:16 PM
Someone who doesn't suck at drawing?

Like me. I could do it.

Korobooshi Kojiro
24th November 2006, 5:18 PM
I mean, we already have enough E-drama here for like, 20 volumes.

For example:

Gabsura: Muhaha! I will soon deliver the utmost Justice Light on the boy called Shinji, and the Dragon Guru will reign supreme!
Kojiro: Franky! Check his spam level!
Battle Franky: It's over 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kojiro: WHAT?! 9000!

Can the SPP Warriors hold out until Gravy arrives from his training on King Serebii's Planet? Tune in next time too.....SPP Z!

Yamato-san
24th November 2006, 6:45 PM
I wonder how many chapters I'd get. ^^ Watch as I go half-insane from watching the Yamabuki contest, and then shortly afterwards having an epic battle with Squirtle007, pwning him with logic about how Harley doesn't fail but Haruka's Zenigame does. XD

Korobooshi Kojiro
24th November 2006, 7:16 PM
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/Yukiwarashi/9000.png

Just imagine this drawn by a great artist, and you got yourself a winner. Seriously.

We'd have an alternate earth where Serebii Joe rules, a kind of Kami-esque character. The bad guys would be notable spammers and stuff.

We'd sell MILLIONS!

And yes, I'm fully aware that the DBZ was nothing like this.

BattleFranky~40
24th November 2006, 7:35 PM
Indeed.

Clefairy, are you a bad enough dude to draw a SPP comic?

Korobooshi Kojiro
24th November 2006, 8:32 PM
We'd have a kick-butt cover as well, with Serebii Joe smugly peering at the reader. Like, just saying "Come on, and read me gosh darnit!". Are you a bad enough dude to read a Serebii Comic?


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/Yukiwarashi/Cover.png

Serebii Joe would of course be the god of the world (Fortopia), and he would abide in the Tower of Babble, in which he and his Lordly Modders (aka, the mods) would watch over and preserve peace. I would be a main character, of course, and a bishonen (we need one!) and simply awesome. I could perfom super powered kicks, and shoot Wind Blasts.

BattleFranky~40
24th November 2006, 8:50 PM
And I'd play a guitar and point out that people's power levels are indeed over 9000. Speedycat would be my trusty sidekick, and I'd always job.

Korobooshi Kojiro
24th November 2006, 8:52 PM
Not to mention you'd have your signature attack, "SARCAZZ BEAM!", which would totally inebriate the enemy with the force of Sarcasm. You'd be unstoppable.

BattleFranky~40
24th November 2006, 8:54 PM
Unfortunatly, the enemies are too stupid to understand sarcasm, and therefore are not effected.

So all I'd have is my "Franky Fang Fist", which sucks.

That Scary Clefairy
24th November 2006, 9:43 PM
Indeed.

Clefairy, are you a bad enough dude to draw a SPP comic?

Hell yea. I'm doing a web comic for my college class right now. if you want to see my art work, go to the fanart section. did a bunch of more realsit pokemon characters.

In fact this gives me good Ideas. Don't forgive the HellKorn too.

BattleFranky~40
24th November 2006, 10:59 PM
Just saw them. They look good.

And Hellkorn could be there to remind everybody that Serebii Z is serious business.

The Unown Water Master
24th November 2006, 11:27 PM
Holy ****........ I shouldn't have asked......... lol

BattleFranky~40
24th November 2006, 11:28 PM
Holy ****........ I shouldn't have asked......... lol

And why is that?

Neko Godot
25th November 2006, 3:27 AM
We'd have a kick-butt cover as well, with Serebii Joe smugly peering at the reader. Like, just saying "Come on, and read me gosh darnit!". Are you a bad enough dude to read a Serebii Comic?
Actually, since Joe is English, you'd have to be a righteous enough chap, not a bad enough dude.

BattleFranky~40
25th November 2006, 3:38 AM
Actually, since Joe is English, you'd have to be a righteous enough chap, not a bad enough dude.
The English also say bad enough dude. Bloody tart.

Neko Godot
25th November 2006, 3:41 AM
The English also say bad enough dude. Bloody tart.
Well EXCUUUUUUUUUUSE me Princess!

But really, I hope you continue with more SerebiiZ.

MugenKeiji
27th November 2006, 1:00 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/KeijiKG/mugenappears.jpg

The Smug Wannabe Know-it-all MugenKeiji Appears!

The Golden rule of Masked Figures: "Covering your eyes fools everybody!"

ElvenBayleefBoy
27th November 2006, 1:05 AM
Hmm. My peice of fruit would be very sweet, Sweet enough to wipe out bad typers, like you.

Uhh...I'm uncreative. Another version of Naruto, with new charcters

BattleFranky~40
27th November 2006, 1:11 AM
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9779/untitledzz9.png
Wait a second, whose that mysterious masked figure?!?

ElvenBayleefBoy
27th November 2006, 1:15 AM
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9779/untitledzz9.png
Wait a second, whose that mysterious masked figure?!?

Gee, I sure wonder

shinyrayquaza
2nd December 2006, 1:47 PM
all riiiight! Sachiko's back! well, anyway, i've revamped Spirit tamer for the better. my storytelling scheme is highly unorthodox, but it works. here's how it goes. There are 3 chapters every month. and to save time, when a new character is on the horizon (say about 5 chapters?) i give them their own chapter (still retaining 2 per month for the original story) and their journey until they collide with the main protagonists. This is to save time. (have you ever read OP and been SO ANNOYED when the whole volume is pretty much flashbacks ( like volume 9))

Also, when i get a scanner, i'll upload my EXTRAS PAGE...

When i'm not supposed to be doing my homework, i'll post up my character bios

Oh, and i wants to be the random, clueless idiot that i am in REAL LIFE.... someone that pops up in the back of the screen... I'll have MANGO VISION!

HK
4th December 2006, 2:12 AM
In fact this gives me good Ideas. Don't forgive the HellKorn too.

Hurtful words, TSC. They strike through my heart and twist them until I don't care anymore. ;D


And Hellkorn could be there to remind everybody that Serebii Z is serious business.

Does this mean I'm a candidate for Mr. Satan? THAT. WOULD. ROCK. SO. F*CKING. HARD.

That Scary Clefairy
4th December 2006, 2:27 AM
Hurtful words, TSC. They strike through my heart and twist them until I don't care anymore. ;D


LOL i ment don't forget you. LOL Were the hell have you been all this time? must of been that busy

JET_ALONE
8th December 2006, 7:56 AM
...Shoot. You know what I wanna' do when I'm older? Be a manga artist. Do you know how many Mangas I have?

Wait, let me count. ...

Four.

God damnit, this is so stupid. I want to be a manga artist, but I haven't at all immersed myself within it. Grr...It's like when I realised that I need to be fluent in Japanese by the time I'm 24 and I've only just started taking the study seriously.

Okay, note to self, buy LOTS AND LOTS OF MANGA YOU IDIOT. Mind you though, I have just purchased two more Evangelion Manga :3

I'm actually working on my own manga right now. I just finished sketching the draft of page 4, and I'm scanning it in now.

Really, it's about some gay kid, who's slightly based off me, but I'm trying to move away from that now, and...Wait, about the plot. Er, well, I'll compare it to Yu-Gi-Oh, which is a major problem now, because my plot has become somewhat unoriginal in the sense of my main character. His name is Max, he lives alone, apparently sent from overseas for "better education" (A little mystery there) by his parents, or something, and he's an antisocial and depressing loner. Doesn't really have the best of friends, except one. Her name is Sen, but unfortunateley for Max, she's usually caught up in her own busy and productive social life. But she does care for him, but he lacks the social skills to see so. So, we have some sort of relationship there.

But you see, Max posseses a sort of, "Gem" thingy, which is a blue skull, which is simply called "Blue", and it allows him to "Change colour", and sometimes personality depending on his emotions at the time. So obviously, if he's super angry, super sad, super surprised, super happy, or super aroused (Hoping to bring this in, without being too explicit) then he undergoes this weird "change" thingy. But sometimes he can gain powers from it...Accidently though. "Transforming" can result in loss of memory, headaches, windows shattering, things spontaneously combusting, etc. And...

Well that's all I can be bothered with saying for now. Except for it's in a highschool setting, for now at least, in "Harbour City", in a kind of alternate Earth place which is having a few international conflicts...But I don't want this to detract from the main setting which isn't that..."Conflicty".

My problems are; coming up with storylines, and trying to detract from the story being based off my own life without adding characters just to fill in those holes that have no depth or individuality, and end up being just a few anime stereotypes.

Yay.

BattleFranky~40
8th December 2006, 11:30 PM
Just reading manga won't help. And the Japanese aren't exactly 'Hey, cool! An american!' when it comes to this.

MugenKeiji
8th December 2006, 11:56 PM
Books and other comics can be good source material too. I mean there's being inspired and being inspired the right way.

JET_ALONE
9th December 2006, 12:35 AM
Yeah, that's what I was getting at. I need to learn more about how characters and plots are structured, etc. Or maybe I'm just over reacting?


Just reading manga won't help. And the Japanese aren't exactly 'Hey, cool! An american!' when it comes to this.

I'm not American...

That Scary Clefairy
9th December 2006, 12:45 AM
Books and other comics can be good source material too. I mean there's being inspired and being inspired the right way.

Indeed this is true. Infact, I read and study some manga and/or comics in order to understand and improve myself. It's actually a good way of learning, however, some people don't do it the right way which why it fails for them.

HK
11th December 2006, 2:43 AM
LOL i ment don't forget you.

My heart still lies shattered like a broken beer bottle on the side on the road, no one to give it any attention...

How's that for metaphoric writing? ;D


LOL Were the hell have you been all this time? must of been that busy

If working toward mah edutcation, bein' lazy, practicing guitar, etc. constitutes as being busy...


Just reading manga won't help. And the Japanese aren't exactly 'Hey, cool! An american!' when it comes to this.

"But they like English so much! Ne, Raito, ne?!"


Books and other comics can be good source material too. I mean there's being inspired and being inspired the right way.

Moving pictures (live-action movies and animation) can be inspirational, too. While certain storytelling mechanics only work in their own mediums, obviously, development of characters and plot are pretty much universal, be it traditional or progressive in nature.


I'm not American...

If you're Japanese, go for it. If you're anything else... well, become a comic artist in that country, because no foreigner is going to become a manga-ka anytime soon.

+Rhapsody+
11th December 2006, 4:10 AM
If you're Japanese, go for it. If you're anything else... well, become a comic artist in that country, because no foreigner is going to become a manga-ka anytime soon.


I find that many manga series produced by American 'manga-ka's' are low in quality and generally tend to suck. It seems that with the rising popularity of manga, American artists want to mimic the style in order to make a profit.

One comment I took as the greatest insult was when someone told me that I should become a manga-ka because my own manga/anime drawings were supposedly so great.

Nope. Intelligent fans wouldn't look twice due to the reputation American-made manga has gained.

*LOLs at thread title*

MugenKeiji
11th December 2006, 6:51 AM
I find that many manga series produced by American 'manga-ka's' are low in quality and generally tend to suck. It seems that with the rising popularity of manga, American artists want to mimic the style in order to make a profit.

My thoughts exactly, Fred Perry, Adam Warren, Ben Dunn and Phil/Kaja Foglio's works aren't exactly what I'd compare to the likes of Kenichi Sonoda, Atsuji Yamamoto, Hiromu Arakawa or even Masashi Kishimoto.

Don't get me started on those who simply use the manga style as a cheap gimmick for more readers. Marvel Mangaverse gets my wrath as one example.

I'm not a fan of Megatokyo. I dunno, I always found the style so...drab. Am I broken, or are there other people who feel the same way?

Bleedman's overrated. That doesn't mean I don't respect him, I just don't think he's as great as everyone says.

I mean if anyone remembers Fan Art Headquarters or Anime Artist HQ, now lost in the tides of internet time (phased out by Deviantart), a lot of them had better art than most of what I see in American manga these days.

I wouldn't count out the Rising Stars of Manga or the BAAU (http://baau.syste.ms/home.html) either. They're okay.


One comment I took as the greatest insult was when someone told me that I should become a manga-ka because my own manga/anime drawings were supposedly so great.

Ummm... I'd be flattered, but then I'd have to see yer drawings to verify that comment.


Nope. Intelligent fans wouldn't look twice due to the reputation American-made manga has gained.

*LOLs at thread title*


Some people developed a taste for it. Or just defend crap for the sake of going against the opinions of people who can't tolerate how Amerimanga still doesn't have that desired taste of imagination, romance or violence certain titles from the age ranges of 11-25 hold for readers of Japan (whether you're reading from publishers such Koro Koro up to Shonen Champion, Young King Ours, Ribbon, CLAMP or even going for those repressed desires in the other generic publishers).

Look, I'm not saying an American-made Manga will never be good because it's not made in Japan. I'm saying that the people who have the better ideas/concepts don't push forward with them.

Admittedly, I haven't sampled what Seven Seas Publishing has to offer but I'm sure they have some decent works. Always time for a fresh perspective until you find what works.

Currently most Amerimanga sucks, but that doesn't mean it would continue to suck. It's just that Gold Digger and Adam Warren's rendition of Dirty Pair are the worse representatives to show what the States can pump out.

Oh and finally W.I.T.C.H is a European production, it shouldn't count.

That Scary Clefairy
11th December 2006, 8:27 AM
reason many american manga "suck" is because most don't use the right tools, haven't understand general concept of a manga, and don't have enough art experince to do so.

Many manga artist have for most part studied many art form and history in or to perfect them selves to making a good manga. the ones in rising stars don't. However I dod recall seeing one american manga that was actually really good. Almost able to bypass as one.

+Rhapsody+
11th December 2006, 4:40 PM
Also, it is recognizable when a manga is American-made. The style is still quite different, no matter how much the artists studied the Japanese style.

I find that most American-made titles published by TokyoPop tend to be prime examples of this.

That Scary Clefairy
11th December 2006, 5:45 PM
Also, it is recognizable when a manga is American-made. The style is still quite different, no matter how much the artists studied the Japanese style.

I find that most American-made titles published by TokyoPop tend to be prime examples of this.

I beg to differ. If Berserk and some seinen series can pull off a drastic similarity to American comics(not nessercery superhero ones) then same can be said for vise versa. Only that many of the American don't but the effort and time correctly like some like Kentaro Muira.

+Rhapsody+
12th December 2006, 4:32 AM
I beg to differ. If Berserk and some seinen series can pull off a drastic similarity to American comics(not nessercery superhero ones) then same can be said for vise versa. Only that many of the American don't but the effort and time correctly like some like Kentaro Muira.


I acknowledge that. I know that some are able to pull off differeny styles quite well and still present the story, but I was referring to many published by TokyoPop where the artwork is merely a bad immitation of the traditional Japanese style.

That Scary Clefairy
12th December 2006, 8:18 AM
btw guys, website for my one shot hopefully will be up sometime next week.

Later on today expect some character sketches of the White Guardians members that i'm planning to do my first comic/manga whayever you wanna call it series.

FlareonJupiter
12th December 2006, 12:39 PM
In addition to actual manga, I find Graphic-Sha's line of How to Draw Manga books very useful -- especially since they were originally published in Japan.


reason many american manga "suck" is because most don't use the right tools, haven't understand general concept of a manga, and don't have enough art experince to do so.

Many manga artist have for most part studied many art form and history in or to perfect them selves to making a good manga. the ones in rising stars don't. However I dod recall seeing one american manga that was actually really good. Almost able to bypass as one.

Well, according to chapters in several of the HTDM books, the materials that professionals use can be hard to find and/or too expensive...

I'm getting some supplies for Christmas that are CLOSE to what the pros use -- such as a set of dip pens, felt-tip pens, black ink, brushes, white poster paint, etc. There's no way I could order expensive screentones online, but I have Computones installed on Paint Shop Pro.

That Scary Clefairy
12th December 2006, 2:44 PM
In addition to actual manga, I find Graphic-Sha's line of How to Draw Manga books very useful -- especially since they were originally published in Japan.



Well, according to chapters in several of the HTDM books, the materials that professionals use can be hard to find and/or too expensive...

I'm getting some supplies for Christmas that are CLOSE to what the pros use -- such as a set of dip pens, felt-tip pens, black ink, brushes, white poster paint, etc. There's no way I could order expensive screentones online, but I have Computones installed on Paint Shop Pro.

I just brought a couple screentones at Da Vinci art store. I want to try em out and experiment it.
About those how to draw manga books. In some ways tey are good but you need more than just that to be a good manga artist.

Super-Staff
12th December 2006, 6:09 PM
Am I, like, the only person that didn't learn to draw manga from one of those How to Draw books? >_>

That Scary Clefairy
12th December 2006, 11:58 PM
Am I, like, the only person that didn't learn to draw manga from one of those How to Draw books? >_>

neither did I. however I did use some for some inferences.

+Rhapsody+
13th December 2006, 1:58 AM
And neither have I. Teachers tell me that I have a natural talent, but I've always taught art to myself without using any references. I learn better that way.

That Scary Clefairy
13th December 2006, 2:15 AM
And neither have I. Teachers tell me that I have a natural talent, but I've always taught art to myself without using any references. I learn better that way.

Still you should study some art and real objects to get better.

how two book are good for something new to you or if you realy suck on something and can't figure out why.

Mysty
13th December 2006, 6:55 AM
I have the books because I like the references. I drew long before that. But the How to Draw Manga series is a good one.

Now, I have a New Project. Based losely on real life. Hopefully not too much.

It's a story about a college kid who ends up having to get a job and ends up working in campus dining at the Boulevard Grille. Lots of foodservice hilarity ensues including cranky customers, innapropriately shaped food, inspectors, giant walk-in freezer antics, fried chicken accidents, burnt tofu, and exploding burritos.

Yeah. I need to stop working 20+ hours a week.

Cult Leader Lettuce
13th December 2006, 8:18 AM
You know, something is really bugging me...

Is that supposed to be MANGA or MANKO? Mango doesn't make any sense because you have to plant it, you don't just make it... but then again you can't create your own manko... well you could, or you could buy one from a store, but you can't just really make a real manko...

so i guess it's manga

That Scary Clefairy
13th December 2006, 10:36 AM
You know, something is really bugging me...

Is that supposed to be MANGA or MANKO? Mango doesn't make any sense because you have to plant it, you don't just make it... but then again you can't create your own manko... well you could, or you could buy one from a store, but you can't just really make a real manko...

so i guess it's manga

congraulations for figuring it out. could of just tell by actully reading the posts made already.

MugenKeiji
13th December 2006, 12:50 PM
My heart still lies shattered like a broken beer bottle on the side on the road, no one to give it any attention...

How's that for metaphoric writing? ;D


I think you just described what I'm feeling.

Come on, even with our ideal differences, we still value your insights.

I mean you're not the type of person who starts a thread with an intriguing title and just starts it off by saying "Topic" or "Discuss" as the only word in first post to start discussion.

And you have NO idea how much I appreciate that.


You know, something is really bugging me...

Is that supposed to be MANGA or MANKO? Mango doesn't make any sense because you have to plant it, you don't just make it... but then again you can't create your own manko... well you could, or you could buy one from a store, but you can't just really make a real manko...

so i guess it's manga

Ummm...wow. I assume there are a handful of people on Serebii who knows what "Manko" means.

I could respond in a joking manner what I'd do with my own "manko", using that "MugenKeiji charm" but I have to draw the line somewhere.

+Rhapsody+
15th December 2006, 1:00 AM
I have the books because I like the references. I drew long before that. But the How to Draw Manga series is a good one.

But one problem I have with the How to Draw books is that they don't help you develop your own style. I've found that the art in manga is most attractive when the style of the artist is conveyed to the reader. It adds expression and feeling to the art.

How to books may teach us how to draw the object correctly, but they do not help with personal style all that much--which is why I find it better to use them only when you are unsure of how to anatomically draw something. Otherwise, you will develop your personal style more clearly if you just practice freehand most of the time.

This is just personal experience, but it does work.

shinyrayquaza
15th December 2006, 1:17 AM
can you people let go of the mango gag already?! Alright! i was multi tasking. I was eating a mango, AND doing my homework, AND writing this threa at the same time. DON'T SWEAT ME. oh, btw, hellkorn, we all still love you... you're one of US!

oh, and Battlefranky, i can definitely see where you are going with your comment about americans and manga. the japanese consumers just arent going to just accept an american who thinks he can draw. (Ninja high school, anybody?) maybe you can start as an assistant? and if you have a good reputation there, then who knows?

Sachiko
15th December 2006, 2:35 AM
And neither have I. Teachers tell me that I have a natural talent, but I've always taught art to myself without using any references. I learn better that way.

I haven't either... I just practiced for years. Never read a book or anything. I will in the future, but I'm already good right now. Many people have told me so.


But one problem I have with the How to Draw books is that they don't help you develop your own style. I've found that the art in manga is most attractive when the style of the artist is conveyed to the reader. It adds expression and feeling to the art.

How to books may teach us how to draw the object correctly, but they do not help with personal style all that much--which is why I find it better to use them only when you are unsure of how to anatomically draw something. Otherwise, you will develop your personal style more clearly if you just practice freehand most of the time.

This is just personal experience, but it does work.

Wow, I mean, this is 100% true for myself. I draw freehand. I am hesitant about how to draw books because of what you just said...


And what's this about American manga???! Sure, maybe they don't seem "Japanese" enough, but they are still good drawings. Man, I hate hearing stuff like this. You know what?! I couldn't care less that I am an American. I can still draw well, and I love manga, and my dream is to be a manga-ka. Look, I know ZERO Japanese people. There has been no Japanese influence that has acted on my life. I created the influence. I'm trying to learn Japanese, and draw manga. In addition, I'm black, and so people are suprised when they find out I like manga. If I can push myself into the Japanese influence this far, there's no way I will be concerned that "Amerimanga still doesn't have that desired taste of imagination, romance or violence certain titles from the age ranges of 11-25 hold for readers of Japan" or something like that. I've seen stuff that fits the description, but then if that's the case... I'm trying to break the mold!!!


No more comments about mangoes... they're making me sad... and shinyrayquaza too...

BattleFranky~40
15th December 2006, 2:37 AM
Did you even read the reason why most American manga sucks?

Sachiko
15th December 2006, 2:40 AM
Yeah... well, there's more than one. One reason is because it's not as creative, and the other is because... uh, the impression I got was that simply because it's American.

Let me edit that... most of the American manga I've seen seems a little uncreative, but the thing that is bugging me is that it seems like people say it will always be like that. I just wanted to point out the other point of view.

BattleFranky~40
15th December 2006, 2:42 AM
Because they honestly have no idea what they're doing and have no idea on how to draw an actual decent product.

Sachiko
15th December 2006, 2:55 AM
Uh, okay, that's another one. I guess that just means we should study the manga style more, in general. Each artist should still develop his own style though.

I hope to avoid that problem by knowing what I'm doing. But hey, there are Japanese manga that "suck", too. No one mentioned that. That's how I got the "just because it's American" impression from the posts I read.

That Scary Clefairy
15th December 2006, 4:25 AM
Maxon comic company has a nice book on all about creating a manga. It seems pretty useful and the book is from japan so there's point to ya there.

MugenKeiji
19th December 2006, 7:59 AM
Suggestions for American Mango...er, manga:

1. Slow down. Don't aim for flash or success, aim to tell your story in the best possible way. Your references for example, ease up on the action flicks and read a book for once.

Y'know so you can come up with something intelligent.

2. Consider your inspirations, MOSTLY for storyline. Go against the grain and be creative. If Naruto is popular, don't make a manga about Ninja. If Harry Potter is the big thing, don't try to be like Harry Potter. Avoid the Matrix like the plague too. Innovation is about surprise, not riding on current succeeding formulas.

Yes, there isn't a thing under the sun that hasn't been done, but try to take a subject or motif that you'd LIKE people to talk about rather than one that's already been done successfully before. Figuratively speaking, you set yourself up for failure and/or disappointment by going for the giant's jugular at the beginning of battle.

3. Manga (and anime) Remakes of classic western properties have a limited audience, and chances are most anime/manga fans aren't as interested as the creator or fellow overzealous comic book fans think them to be. Witchblade. Powerpuff Girls. Marvel Comics in general. Just cut the BS m'kay?
Originality people, we're more interested in a "clean slate" property so we won't have to complain.

4. Cartoons and comics are STILL good inspirations, even if remaking them in the style isn't a good move.

5. Characters with layers would be nice. Like, how about a character who's homosexual but it's just part of who he is and he seems like a man's man (like my favorite character Gus from the cancelled cartoon "Mission Hill") or kitschy Hispanic girl who has a bit of an identity crisis because she hangs with a lot of Asians.

Not just character with powers, character with powers, character with scary powers, sexy furry, genius, the sexy oneesama/the bi***, the girly girl/wifey wife, badarse protagonist/foightin' male, the hungry but never gets fat goof who comes through and the borderline enemy/friend/rival.

Yes, they're "fun" to do but I don't think everyone should do them.

6. Just because Shonen, Adventure and action doesn't touch on romance doesn't mean that manga avoids romance altogether. Romance is cheesed up in about anything that's action, and while the defense is "Oh, I don't want like to see a couple in the cliche lovey dovey situation." for writing is bound to happen, the fact is that you should work with cliches a bit BEFORE you can branch out.

I would recommend the romance section at your local library and Google/AnimenewsNetworking the Shoujo genre.

7. Styles. There are MANY artists you can observe. Miura doesn't draw like Youko. Takahashi doesn't draw like Inomata. Asamiya doesn't draw like Akamatsu. I won't go on but you get the idea. Observe all genres, all art styles, again don't just look at one or two parts of a genre and decide to dive in the manga style.

I mean you wouldn't learn three types of kicks and consider yourself a blackbelt.

Because that's what we-todds do.

-Sonansu!-
19th December 2006, 2:25 PM
Well, according to chapters in several of the HTDM books, the materials that professionals use can be hard to find and/or too expensive...

This is the main reason I do most of my manga in pencil and don't bother to ink them most of the time (except with micron pens). That and it's insanely difficult to find the right paper to draw them on (I mostly use printer paper).


Yes, there isn't a thing under the sun that hasn't been done

Nah, that's not true.

There's plenty of things that haven't been done yet in manga/comics/movies/otherwise.

I think you meant that most of the practical stuff that one can do has been done. There's still been plenty of ideas not used yet, but most of those aren't very practical and probably wouldn't click well.


But one problem I have with the How to Draw books is that they don't help you develop your own style. I've found that the art in manga is most attractive when the style of the artist is conveyed to the reader. It adds expression and feeling to the art.

I noticed this as well, and the way that I developed my own style was to actually study the art styles of those artists whose styles I didn't necessarily like. This made me point out all the apparent flaws in their art styles so that mine could be a lot better in the long run. And so far it's worked. Now all I need are proper materials, so that my works can have a more polished look and feel.

I'm rather confident in my art style/storytelling ability but that's probably because I've been at this stuff since I was about three years old.

HK
21st December 2006, 4:15 AM
Come on, even with our ideal differences, we still value your insights.

... "Ideal differences"?

I'm white, you're black?


I mean you're not the type of person who starts a thread with an intriguing title and just starts it off by saying "Topic" or "Discuss" as the only word in first post to start discussion.

At least not 'round these parts or ANN.

Then again, I find ANN to be too... uhh, "stiff" and full of Death Note, Fullmetal Alchemist, and Hayao Miyazaki fanatics (come on, other than the Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind manga, Isao Takahata has put out less contrived work and, in my opinion, is the better famous director at Ghibli).


And you have NO idea how much I appreciate that.

Before you told me this I was sitting in a corner in my room with My Chemical Romance playing. Now that I feel better, I think I'll go lounge out on my porch with Dream Theater blasting out the speakers. ;D


How to books may teach us how to draw the object correctly, but they do not help with personal style all that much--which is why I find it better to use them only when you are unsure of how to anatomically draw something. Otherwise, you will develop your personal style more clearly if you just practice freehand most of the time.

Every single time I see the character design for a new anime come out with the most obvious use of the overdone BESM style, I roll my eyes. It's even worse with Kyoto Animation, which, while I'll admit to enjoying and even getting emotional from their h-game adaption of Air and remake of Kanon in spite of the overwhelming moe factor, THE CHARACTER DESIGNS ARE ATROCIOUS.

People, some of the best manga-ka I've seen out there have art that doesn't look AT ALL like the traditional style found in manga and anime. Please, please, please, please: if you're going to going to attempt your own comic or "American manga" of sorts, do not conform to that style if it isn't natural to you.


oh, btw, hellkorn, we all still love you... you're one of US!

I'm too arrogant to admit to that.


Your references for example, ease up on the action flicks and read a book for once.

Unless a testosterone-filled, balls-to-the-walls, gung-ho action story is what they're aiming for. :p

Also, I'd recommended checking out intelligent movies in addition to novels by genre depending on whatever you're aiming for. Since you're creating a visual story versus a text story, it's important to be able to draw more cinematic connections rather than a medium which has little in common with another.


Yes, there isn't a thing under the sun that hasn't been done,

A male prostitute one day comes across evidence to a plan that details a string of past seemingly unrelated murders that somehow relates to the government killing off the undesirables and using them as food for the masses.

I stole that last part from Soylent Green, but who cares?


6. Just because Shonen, Adventure and action doesn't touch on romance doesn't mean that manga avoids romance altogether. Romance is cheesed up in about anything that's action, and while the defense is "Oh, I don't want like to see a couple in the cliche lovey dovey situation." for writing is bound to happen, the fact is that you should work with cliches a bit BEFORE you can branch out.

If you are to heed any of MugenKeiji's advice (other than the original story and characters bit), heed this, folks. Guys who like their shounen series with a romance-clean lawn, man the hell up. Romance is good, real men read (well written) shoujo and josei manga and have no problems admitting it; human relationships (that aren't cheesy melodramas found on daytime television) are by far more involving than some cheep-as-hell tragic background where someone's clan was killed by their brother or they're a shunned demon whose lover was killed but not before getting killed themselves, SO INVEST IN GOOD DRAMA, OR THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY.

Sachiko
22nd December 2006, 4:56 AM
5. Characters with layers would be nice. Like, how about a character who's homosexual but it's just part of who he is and he seems like a man's man (like my favorite character Gus from the cancelled cartoon "Mission Hill") or kitschy Hispanic girl who has a bit of an identity crisis because she hangs with a lot of Asians.

Oh-kay.....

Well, I just want to point out the fact that you shouldn't make characters too cliche, but if you add too many 'layers', the character becomes to unbelievable and hard to understand...

Let's see my characters, in a very brief description:
Kinari: Optimistic, rash
Anne: Calm, strong
Brittany: Girly, put-together
Amare: Geeky, but very confident and well-liked
Einaka: Sweet, cheerful
Michael: Quiet, kind
Huey: Super- talented and popular, almost never upset
Tainma: Likes fighting, emo

Cliche?? I dunno...

Um, speaking of characters, the character guide is coming. I have it done, but I have no pics. I didn't describe what anyone looked like. I'm trying to see if I can get pics... so wait...

BattleFranky~40
22nd December 2006, 4:59 AM
Oh-kay.....

Well, I just want to point out the fact that you shouldn't make characters too cliche, but if you add too many 'layers', the character becomes to unbelievable and hard to understand...

Let's see my characters, in a very brief description:
Kinari: Optimistic, rash
Anne: Calm, strong
Brittany: Girly, put-together
Amare: Geeky, but very confident and well-liked
Einaka: Sweet, cheerful
Michael: Quiet, kind
Huey: Super- talented and popular, almost never upset
Tainma: Likes fighting, emo

Cliche?? I dunno...

Yes, and seeminly one-dimensional.

MugenKeiji
22nd December 2006, 6:03 AM
... "Ideal differences"?

I'm white, you're black?


Well superficially, I suppose that's true, though I consider myself highly atypical.

Actually, I was more referring to our different ideas concerning elements of what a good anime/manga make.



At least not 'round these parts or ANN.

Then again, I find ANN to be too... uhh, "stiff" and full of Death Note, Fullmetal Alchemist, and Hayao Miyazaki fanatics (come on, other than the Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind manga, Isao Takahata has put out less contrived work and, in my opinion, is the better famous director at Ghibli).


Even so, a breath of fresh air.

I tend to avoid ANN like the plague unless it involves a series being licensed, the death of a voice actor or someone in the industry or bad stuff happens to 4Kids.

Rarely, and I mean RARELY do I ever post there.

I don't avoid it completely though. Here's what I deal with in GameFAQs

1. Overly sensitive Nintendo apologetics with a candy cane's grip on reality
2. Stupid Smash Bros. fanboys with the IQ and logic of an inbred lemming
3. People who blow the Moderation whistle when you make them cry or have Japanese words like "Doushite" because it's spelled with a 4-letter word.

In addition to the empty shells of "topic" or "discuss" posts, those can make a grown man filled with murderous rage.


...
Before you told me this I was sitting in a corner in my room with My Chemical Romance playing. Now that I feel better, I think I'll go lounge out on my porch with Dream Theater blasting out the speakers. ;D


You're welcome.


...
Every single time I see the character design for a new anime come out with the most obvious use of the overdone BESM style, I roll my eyes. It's even worse with Kyoto Animation, which, while I'll admit to enjoying and even getting emotional from their h-game adaption of Air and remake of Kanon in spite of the overwhelming moe factor, THE CHARACTER DESIGNS ARE ATROCIOUS.


BESM is what's been proven to work or just identifies with Japanese Manga/Anime. A basic style, tried and true but as you suggest, it's not for everyone to mess around with. I hate the spins on it that people like Adam Warren do to it like the puffy, ****ty lips.

Some would-be manga artists resort to it, but the fact is that they should consider other anime/manga series for reference. That's brutalizing it so.

I don't mind seeing traditional BESM so much (I'm evil, so sue me) but the fact is no one really develops their personal style once they stick to this formula.

You might be better looking at another manga that your favorite AS or Toonami shows weren't adapted from and staying away from Pokemon and Sailor Moon as reference anime.



People, some of the best manga-ka I've seen out there have art that doesn't look AT ALL like the traditional style found in manga and anime. Please, please, please, please: if you're going to going to attempt your own comic or "American manga" of sorts, do not conform to that style if it isn't natural to you.


My words exactly, and reiterated merely to hammer it into the heads of our readers.



I'm too arrogant to admit to that.


In time, you'll accept it.



Unless a testosterone-filled, balls-to-the-walls, gung-ho action story is what they're aiming for. :p


Well yeah, but the idea is to stray AWAY from that sort of thing.

Unless there's an Amerimanga artist inspired off of a hardcore not-for-children manga like Fist of the North Star or Hakaima Sadamitsu and comics like Savage Dragon and The Mask (not their cartoons, the comics were much, MUCH effing harder).

Then I'd read it.

But again, make stories we'd like to read from beginning to the end and not when the art is starting to get good.

Give other genres a chance too. AND AVOID REMAKES OF EXISTING COMIC BOOKS YOU OPPORTUNISTIC F***S!

So far the only advantage to Amerimanga is color...



Also, I'd recommended checking out intelligent movies in addition to novels by genre depending on whatever you're aiming for. Since you're creating a visual story versus a text story, it's important to be able to draw more cinematic connections rather than a medium which has little in common with another.


I'd just argue writing a world that people imagine and then draw it out.

But for the execution factor, yes, movies, video games, television dramas, chick flicks, sci-fi channel, whatever gets that flow going.



A male prostitute one day comes across evidence to a plan that details a string of past seemingly unrelated murders that somehow relates to the government killing off the undesirables and using them as food for the masses.

I stole that last part from Soylent Green, but who cares?


Proved me wrong.



If you are to heed any of MugenKeiji's advice (other than the original story and characters bit), heed this, folks.

Quoted for truth.

AND for the fact that I like to toot my own horn.


Guys who like their shounen series with a romance-clean lawn, man the hell up. Romance is good, real men read (well written) shoujo and josei manga and have no problems admitting it; human relationships (that aren't cheesy melodramas found on daytime television) are by far more involving than some cheep-as-hell tragic background where someone's clan was killed by their brother or they're a shunned demon whose lover was killed but not before getting killed themselves, SO INVEST IN GOOD DRAMA, OR THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY.

Thank you so VERY much.

I'd also argue that romance in Amerimanga should be indifferent to that in Japan. Us 'Mericans love it steamy but not necessarily bumping uglies, we get that misconstruity with Japan as much as it is. I'm just talking about public displays of passion you sicko.

^_^;

Oh yeah, DEVELOP the romance and don't just let it come out at stupid times.

Inuyasha: Die Naraku!
Naraku: Fear my God Mode Inuyasha!
99,999HP'ed!
Inuyasha: Aaarrgh...
Kagome: OMFG, Inuyasha was pwned. I should tell my feelings.
Inuyasha: Move b****, U R not Kikyo.
Kagome: Sit! (or should that be "Osuwari" to the sensitive fans?) I'm going home
Inuyasha: Damn, I need someone to make me a sammich. Must... get... Kagome back.

If that's romance, then Superman 64 is the perfect game.


Oh-kay.....


For every member like TSC, HellKorn and Kojiro that I receive praise from, I also get a condescending tone like this.

It's grace under fire responding to these rationally on a bad day, I'll survive. Well, it can't be helped. Comes with the job.



Well, I just want to point out the fact that you shouldn't make characters too cliche, but if you add too many 'layers', the character becomes to unbelievable and hard to understand...


Too many layers? All I'm saying is that if a character can be gay, it's not like he's HG or the manga makes it a point that he must take it every issue, it's just part of who he is.

Or if Kitschy Hispanic girl has a different racial identity than what people would rather label her under, it's a character nuance which can spread to her interactions with other characters.

What's so complex about that?



Let's see my characters, in a very brief description:
Kinari: Optimistic, rash
Anne: Calm, strong
Brittany: Girly, put-together
Amare: Geeky, but very confident and well-liked
Einaka: Sweet, cheerful
Michael: Quiet, kind
Huey: Super- talented and popular, almost never upset
Tainma: Likes fighting, emo

Cliche?? I dunno...


Not cliche, just general. You just listed archetypes, not the kinds of characters you created.

In other words, we have NO IDEA whatsoever what you just did other than make one dimensional characters.

It's not your fault though, all you were doing was give us an idea of the characters you came up with. You probably have better things to do than feed us a wall of spoiler-free text about who these characters are, what they do and how they fit in the world you created. So pressed for time, you rush out these brief descriptions as a contrast to my idea about layers.

Okay, I respect that, far be it from me to be stomping on someone's creativity. As such would be the work of a total a--hole, and I'm just a partial one at best.

I will say that at this point your description doesn't create any interest for the characters. Polish your descriptions lass, and THEN you may intrigue.



Um, speaking of characters, the character guide is coming. I have it done, but I have no pics. I didn't describe what anyone looked like. I'm trying to see if I can get pics... so wait...

Spoke too soon, erm...still, point remains valid.

HK
23rd December 2006, 2:13 AM
Well, I just want to point out the fact that you shouldn't make characters too cliche, but if you add too many 'layers', the character becomes to unbelievable and hard to understand...

... Huh? That's not really the point. You create characters with depth if that is part of your focus and not paint them with clichés. Archetypes aren't a problem if you flesh them out significantly (see anime such as Wolf's Rain, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop etc.), but generally people don't try to go the extra yard to do that and simply devote the spotlight to one character for a segment in the story, and then leave 'em at them to go on to the next one; rinse and repeat.

Also, if you're going for a short or episodic work that really has no overarching plot, then don't focus on characterization unless you're aiming to incorporate/focus on some drama. Katsuhiro Otomo's Domu is not regarded for its truly wonderful and complex characters -- it's a one-shot focused on establishing plot and thematic narratives. Contrastingly, if you are creating a long-running work, it would be beneficial to bring the characters and their personas to light unless, again, you're intention is to rely solely on themes and narrative (something along the lines of Serial Experiments Lain, for instance).

... Relatedly, I find it amusing that I cited only one manga in comparison to four anime above.


Well superficially, I suppose that's true, though I consider myself highly atypical.

Certainly in a good way, I would presume.


Actually, I was more referring to our different ideas concerning elements of what a good anime/manga make.

... Well, I guess that we would have different opinions, but I don't know what yours are of what makes a good anime/manga. Hell, I myself can't really classify what makes a good anime/manga outside of it having true substance or else it containing such pure style that it's simply plain cool to view.


I tend to avoid ANN like the plague unless it involves a series being licensed, the death of a voice actor or someone in the industry or bad stuff happens to 4Kids.

I knew it!


I don't avoid it completely though. Here's what I deal with in GameFAQs

Just as an off-topic note, I haven't played ANY video games this year. Hell, the upcoming release of the Pokémon games are a "maybe" for me, and I would have to go out of my way to get a DS for one of 'em.


3. People who blow the Moderation whistle when you make them cry or have Japanese words like "Doushite" because it's spelled with a 4-letter word.

Some people are just hyper-sensitive gits who would cry at "anal" in "analogy" (come to think of it, wasn't that a problem here at SPPF?).


I don't mind seeing traditional BESM so much (I'm evil, so sue me) but the fact is no one really develops their personal style once they stick to this formula.

Similar feelings, really. There are variations of the style, to be sure, but when it comes down to be either strictly of that variant or else some style that panders to the meesly otaku who I have such inclinations of mowing down with a revolver when I read comments complaining about a product that was just license and they treat it as though somebody just took a fuggin dump on their front lawn... (http://anime.miao.us/archives/2006/12/22/1015/)

... Well, I digress.


In time, you'll accept it.

It all depends on what "genre" of fan I'm classified as around here. :p


Well yeah, but the idea is to stray AWAY from that sort of thing.

Unless there's an Amerimanga artist inspired off of a hardcore not-for-children manga like Fist of the North Star or Hakaima Sadamitsu and comics like Savage Dragon and The Mask (not their cartoons, the comics were much, MUCH effing harder).

Then I'd read it.

'Ey, we all need a good action romp once in a while, which is why I'm so giddy whenever I pick up a new volume of Priest.


I'd also argue that romance in Amerimanga should be indifferent to that in Japan. Us 'Mericans love it steamy but not necessarily bumping uglies, we get that misconstruity with Japan as much as it is. I'm just talking about public displays of passion you sicko.

"Groppers on a Train."

Oh, I can imagine the reception that would receive...


Oh yeah, DEVELOP the romance and don't just let it come out at stupid times.

Inuyasha: Die Naraku!
Naraku: Fear my God Mode Inuyasha!
99,999HP'ed!
Inuyasha: Aaarrgh...
Kagome: OMFG, Inuyasha was pwned. I should tell my feelings.
Inuyasha: Move b****, U R not Kikyo.
Kagome: Sit! (or should that be "Osuwari" to the sensitive fans?) I'm going home
Inuyasha: Damn, I need someone to make me a sammich. Must... get... Kagome back.

For every Oh My Goddess! (OVA and manga), we get Love Hina. For every Berserk (anime and manga), we get Inu Yasha. For every Evangelion (anime), we get RahXephon manga (the anime was very good, but the manga... I'd rather not go into details). For every Lova Roma (manga), we get Ichigo 100%.

Romance, whether sweet, tragic, thematic, or hilarious, CAN be a very nice thing to watch/read. But when you get the flip side of the coin like I listed above... eh, I feel like I should be euthanized.


If that's romance, then Superman 64 is the perfect game.

But how can you argue with graphics like these?! (http://www.gamerankings.com/screens3/721/1.jpg)

That Scary Clefairy
23rd December 2006, 4:13 AM
But how can you argue with graphics like these?! (http://www.gamerankings.com/screens3/721/1.jpg)

What the hell? they used Bruce Timm's design style for that game????

Sachiko
23rd December 2006, 5:18 AM
HAPPY HAPPY WINTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


For every member like TSC, HellKorn and Kojiro that I receive praise from, I also get a condescending tone like this.

WOW, you took that the wrong way. I wasn't really trying to be condescending. Geez... -__-U You know, for every nice, understanding person out there, there's that one that takes everything as an insult.


Yes, and seeminly one-dimensional.

Hmm, well, if you noticed, I limited myself to two and three adjectives for each character, so obviously it seemed one-dimensional. I was just wondering if every manga had a cast generally like what I listed.


Let's see my characters, in a very brief description:


Too many layers? All I'm saying is that if a character can be gay, it's not like he's HG or the manga makes it a point that he must take it every issue, it's just part of who he is.

Or if Kitschy Hispanic girl has a different racial identity than what people would rather label her under, it's a character nuance which can spread to her interactions with other characters.

What's so complex about that?

And I wasn't referring to you!! I was saying what I said IN GENERAL. Not to you. Anyway, the "too many layers" thing is hard to explain.


Not cliche, just general. You just listed archetypes, not the kinds of characters you created.

In other words, we have NO IDEA whatsoever what you just did other than make one dimensional characters.

It's not your fault though, all you were doing was give us an idea of the characters you came up with. You probably have better things to do than feed us a wall of spoiler-free text about who these characters are, what they do and how they fit in the world you created. So pressed for time, you rush out these brief descriptions as a contrast to my idea about layers.

Okay, I respect that, far be it from me to be stomping on someone's creativity. As such would be the work of a total a--hole, and I'm just a partial one at best.

I will say that at this point your description doesn't create any interest for the characters. Polish your descriptions lass, and THEN you may intrigue.

WOW, again. Do you read any of my posts?? I mentioned over and over that I would have a detailed character guide later!! You should have known that already. I wasn't really trying to go into detail yet.


Spoke too soon, erm...still, point remains valid.

Aheh... apparently I did too just now!! Sorry. But still, that was not the only time I mentioned the character guide. I did mention it multiple times before.


... Huh? That's not really the point. You create characters with depth if that is part of your focus and not paint them with clichés. Archetypes aren't a problem if you flesh them out significantly (see anime such as Wolf's Rain, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop etc.), but generally people don't try to go the extra yard to do that and simply devote the spotlight to one character for a segment in the story, and then leave 'em at them to go on to the next one; rinse and repeat.

True. That's not what I am planning to do with my manga, though!


Also, if you're going for a short or episodic work that really has no overarching plot, then don't focus on characterization unless you're aiming to incorporate/focus on some drama. Katsuhiro Otomo's Domu is not regarded for its truly wonderful and complex characters -- it's a one-shot focused on establishing plot and thematic narratives. Contrastingly, if you are creating a long-running work, it would be beneficial to bring the characters and their personas to light unless, again, you're intention is to rely solely on themes and narrative (something along the lines of Serial Experiments Lain, for instance).

That is true, too. As you know (if you don't by now, that is just sad), I want to create a really long series (creating long stories is something I'm very good at.). Like you said, I want to bring the characters to light. It will happen gradually, and also at different times for different characters.
What an interesting subject! Let's go into detail about this: (Everyone: AAAAGHHH!!! *slumps over in defeat and anticipated boredom*)

Most Of Kinari's Character Development Happens: The whole time (she's the main character!!), especially in the first season and fifth and when she first starts school at Mitashi. It focuses a lot on her at the beginning, but then it starts to divide the focus between her and Michael, Anne, and especially Brittany.
Anne's: The beginning of the second season, and also during the fourth when she gets to be in an ice-skating tournament.
Brittany's: Second season, when she likes Huey, and fifth, when Huey gets very, very sick and blames her for it. But hers is pretty spread out.
Amare's: In the sitcom-like manga I want to do before Mitashi, involving her and Einaka's life in Philadelphia. TONS there. And also in the fourth season, when they go back for a visit, and she and Einaka's brother, Ekaiden, become BF/GF.
Einaka's: In the sitcom... but really in the 5th season, when she is developing a romance with that kid named Enen. You find out that she has difficulties in life too, and she's not always cheerful.
Michael's: Spread out, but especially when he becomes Kinari's BF, in the fourth season. (You: Hey how come most of your character development is with romance???)
...
(Me: Uhhhhh....)
...
(Me: Because it's a shojo manga???)
(You: WRONG!!!)
Um, anyway, Huey's: When he becomes Brittany's BF (You: Romance again!!!), and especially especially ESPECIALLY when he becomes sick in the 5th season. I'll have to share that story with you sometime. The whole time you've known Huey, he is always on top of things, strong, and fighting and never backing down (and winning, too!!). So when he is sick, he has to stay in bed and is powerless, and weak, and is upset with Brittany for the first time in their amazing, long, unrealistic relationship.
Tainma's: When we first meet her in the 4th season, and she becomes best friends with Brittany.


Yet again, my coming-soon list:
Character guide
Info on shippings
Yori's life
My awsome short story, Beginner's Fortune (I have it, but I want to release it after the character guide)
Responses to othe peoples' manga ideas

So see ya la- no, wait!! You people all seem smart, so can anyone out there give me tips on this problem?? ... You see, I gave the most, strongest, most interesting character to Brittany!!! I want the most character to be on Kinari. And I didn't give much character to Michael!! The thing is, I can't just give them any old traits, because they might get similar to the other characters. I want some distinction with my characters. It's hard, with eight. So anyone??? Somebody, HELP!!!!

Maybe it would help you to see the character guide. Don't worry, it will come, one day... one day, there will be peace in the world... one day, Yuletide Yu-Gi-Oh will be off hiatus... one day, I'll find my lost SpongeBob Game Boy game... one day...

MugenKeiji
23rd December 2006, 11:21 AM
Thinking back on it, I really betray a lot of what I said defending TSC a while back.

Sorry Satch, guess I was a little too hard. Didn't mean to impede any planned progress...if that actually happened.

Something I WILL say is play around with what you think will work for a bit. Then mind the input when you hit a brick wall. I'm sure you'll do fine and improve on your own, sure we complain about what works and what's been overdone...in truth you may or may not reiterate it. Either way, you're going to have to deal with naysayers.

Fact is, you're young and full of ideas. Don't hold them back just because a few of us vultures like to pick them apart.

It's just what we do, we claim we've read about everything and that very little pleases us, so excuse us "veterans" if we act like we know what's best because we're so dead set on "seeing something new". In fact some of us are so intent on doing so that we're forcefeeding you refinement to the point where it may not even be fun to experiment anymore.

Just remember, no one's holding a gun to your head.

For God's sakes, I just thumbed through Seven Sea's "Chugworth Academy" and found it moderately entertaining (much as I would an esoteric gaming webcomic or an no-s*** YouTube rant). If you can have more continuity than that, you're golden.

So far, I'm still saying "meh". BUT the difference is that we have a little bit more of an idea of your character relations, at least you gave us a small view of what you're going to show us.

Carry on as you were, but you're still going to have to deal with other's opinions.

BattleFranky~40
23rd December 2006, 7:45 PM
Info on shippings

It's kind of sad when this is one of the main things on your to-do list.

That Scary Clefairy
23rd December 2006, 8:51 PM
Thinking back on it, I really betray a lot of what I said defending TSC a while back.


what were you defending me on?

MugenKeiji
24th December 2006, 12:29 AM
what were you defending me on?

You don't remember?


(responding to HellKorn's high expectations) Dude...lighten up.

(click arrow to see)



I'd put the whole thing, but I think the link speaks for itself.

That Scary Clefairy
24th December 2006, 1:27 AM
ah yea on that. lol.

HK
25th December 2006, 12:05 AM
What the hell? they used Bruce Timm's design style for that game????

I honestly can't tell with those horrific graphics. They look more like Greys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greys) with makeup on.


That is true, too. As you know (if you don't by now, that is just sad), I want to create a really long series (creating long stories is something I'm very good at.). Like you said, I want to bring the characters to light. It will happen gradually, and also at different times for different characters.

Gradually and naturally should definitely be the focused. It shouldn't just be a "let's focus on this character for now then sweep 'em under the rug" if they actually have some importance.


Info on shippings

Please, no. Settle on the fate of the characters be done with it. You don't have to dote on and come up with clever ways of how Character A is going to get a "shipping moment" out of Character B, leaving Character C feeling lonely and desperate.

My advice:

1) Don't spread the whole bread with melodrama, it won't taste good at all in terms of quality.
2) Have people, I dunno, end up alone and maybe move on? That's happens a lot in real life (experience talking here, from both side's of the coin).
3) Watch good romance stories if you're focusing on attempting the genre. Subtlety is the key, here, so we don't need some "awkward moments" being every single key of development and some BS where the couples don't come together until the end. For instance, Emma (put out by CMX with currently two volumes released, seven volumes complete in Japan) makes it clear from the get-go what's going on and the character don't do any "OMG DO I LOVE THEM??!!" type of jibber-jabber. Mind you, that does happen its fair share of times in real life, but seriously, indecisive characters are way too popular.

Also, whatever happened to "romance" and "relationships"? Did they just disappear so we can get cheap "shipping" moments now?


So see ya la- no, wait!! You people all seem smart, so can anyone out there give me tips on this problem?? ... You see, I gave the most, strongest, most interesting character to Brittany!!! I want the most character to be on Kinari. And I didn't give much character to Michael!! The thing is, I can't just give them any old traits, because they might get similar to the other characters. I want some distinction with my characters. It's hard, with eight. So anyone??? Somebody, HELP!!!!

Don't oversimplify the character with basic traits. They can have different personalities while acting similar, yanno? One doesn't have to always be disruptive while the other quiet. Extremes are only good if handled very well, and very few people can do it very well.


Thinking back on it, I really betray a lot of what I said defending TSC a while back.

We all have all lapses in judgment, my friend.


It's just what we do, we claim we've read about everything and that very little pleases us, so excuse us "veterans" if we act like we know what's best because we're so dead set on "seeing something new".

I've seen some much fiction in different mediums that I can't tell anymore if I'm an intelligent critic and creator or else I'm just a jaded, elitist bigot.


In fact some of us are so intent on doing so that we're forcefeeding you refinement to the point where it may not even be fun to experiment anymore.

>_>

Akaba
28th December 2006, 8:55 AM
Blagh, I have always searched for an artist to do my mango...really, always looking for one - good story, background, and all that stuff. Bleh, my novel - which I wanted to turn into a manga, was about the seven deadly sins reappearing into seven chosen candidates to hold it.

You know, the perverted otaku would be Lust; the greedy millionaire would be Greed; the kid who just plays video games and goes on forums all day is Sloth. It was supposed to be that their goal was in one year, to kill every other sin and have them as the only one alive. The winner would, instead of going to hell for their 'sin', go to heaven for a free pass.

...It would of solid millions. I mean really. Who doesn't want to buy a perverted kid having the powers to stop time...to only instantly lose those powers when seeing a naked girl?

...

IT WOULD OF BEEN AMAZING.

BattleFranky~40
28th December 2006, 9:00 AM
Blagh, I have always searched for an artist to do my mango...really, always looking for one - good story, background, and all that stuff. Bleh, my novel - which I wanted to turn into a manga, was about the seven deadly sins reappearing into seven chosen candidates to hold it.

You know, the perverted otaku would be Lust; the greedy millionaire would be Greed; the kid who just plays video games and goes on forums all day is Sloth. It was supposed to be that their goal was in one year, to kill every other sin and have them as the only one alive. The winner would, instead of going to hell for their 'sin', go to heaven for a free pass.

...It would of solid millions. I mean really. Who doesn't want to buy a perverted kid having the powers to stop time...to only instantly lose those powers when seeing a naked girl?

...

IT WOULD OF BEEN AMAZING.
You are truely a revolutionary in the creation of mangoes.

Akaba
28th December 2006, 9:23 AM
I know! And I am damn sure if I could get an artist, WE COULD GET SIGNED. I know people around the country. I could get us into the Black Horse Manga and all this with a basic pilot chapter.

...

So if any artists who want a chance to hit it big - PM me. We'll make...$10 and go to McDonalds.

That Scary Clefairy
28th December 2006, 10:44 AM
I know! And I am damn sure if I could get an artist, WE COULD GET SIGNED. I know people around the country. I could get us into the Black Horse Manga and all this with a basic pilot chapter.

...

So if any artists who want a chance to hit it big - PM me. We'll make...$10 and go to McDonalds.
Count ME IN! ;) You know how I draw.

Akaba
28th December 2006, 10:54 AM
Count ME IN! ;) You know how I draw.

If you are serious, I want to do this.

I am very serious I could get us a deal - or at least I could get the pilot out to some of my connection's friends from various indy manga sells. So yeah...if you are in,

We will rock the casbah.

MugenKeiji
28th December 2006, 10:58 AM
Blagh, I have always searched for an artist to do my mango...really, always looking for one - good story, background, and all that stuff. Bleh, my novel - which I wanted to turn into a manga, was about the seven deadly sins reappearing into seven chosen candidates to hold it.

You know, the perverted otaku would be Lust; the greedy millionaire would be Greed; the kid who just plays video games and goes on forums all day is Sloth. It was supposed to be that their goal was in one year, to kill every other sin and have them as the only one alive. The winner would, instead of going to hell for their 'sin', go to heaven for a free pass.

...It would of solid millions. I mean really. Who doesn't want to buy a perverted kid having the powers to stop time...to only instantly lose those powers when seeing a naked girl?

...

IT WOULD OF BEEN AMAZING.

Biblical references always rock.

Mine involved a few super special ultra, Majin Akatsuki Shichibukai Newtype grade villains with strangely chosen names.

Warren Keller
Delia A. Thurman
Fa Minh
Peter S. Tillence

I couldn't spell it out any further.

Akaba
28th December 2006, 11:03 AM
Well, it is very hard to break out with a fan manga; I've seen friends and seen the process. You need a good opening, 10 - 15 page pilot with sketches of characters and a pitch.

Mostly - if it is a generic shouen it will not past. So that kills 90% of manga. People want someone new but old; they want something that can sell. Like shinigami, it has been done before - but Bleach and Death Note did it in a different way.

That is like things like Peach Fuzz one the Tokyo Pop contests back in the day; they weren't amazingly great stories people would read, but they are original stories that will sell to a certain audience. Also, they don't want a full shounen 10000 chapter outline that ends in a cliffhanger.

THEY WANT a one-chapter one-shot they could sell at that second with a wrapped up plot. They want an end to it; no open ends or any lookings for another chapter.

Some of the time, the manga you want gets approved but it isn't the manga you end up making.

That Scary Clefairy
28th December 2006, 11:15 AM
If you are serious, I want to do this.

I am very serious I could get us a deal - or at least I could get the pilot out to some of my connection's friends from various indy manga sells. So yeah...if you are in,

We will rock the casbah.

I would do....once i'm out of college as i'm still learning more about comic/manga and how to perfect it.

I dunno how old you are though

Akaba
28th December 2006, 11:19 AM
My answer went to pm;

...

I am too scared to announce I am actually 345.

I am Kakuzu's half-brother.

HK
28th December 2006, 4:33 PM
Blagh, I have always searched for an artist to do my mango...really, always looking for one - good story, background, and all that stuff. Bleh, my novel - which I wanted to turn into a manga, was about the seven deadly sins reappearing into seven chosen candidates to hold it.

You know, the perverted otaku would be Lust; the greedy millionaire would be Greed; the kid who just plays video games and goes on forums all day is Sloth. It was supposed to be that their goal was in one year, to kill every other sin and have them as the only one alive. The winner would, instead of going to hell for their 'sin', go to heaven for a free pass.

...It would of solid millions. I mean really. Who doesn't want to buy a perverted kid having the powers to stop time...to only instantly lose those powers when seeing a naked girl?

...

IT WOULD OF BEEN AMAZING.

Most amusing premise that I've heard of recently, only to be topped by My Balls. Yes, really.


The fate of the world rests on one man's shoulders. Or, to put it more exactly, it rests on his balls.

In a freak sealing accident the Queen of Terror is sealed into Satou Kohta's balls, thus preventing her from reigning destruction on the world. However a lesser devil, Elyse, has been sent up to Earth to release the Queen at all costs. The only way to do so is to make Kohta ejaculate, and Elyse only has 30 days to do it.

The battle for mankind has begun, in Kohta's pants.

Sorry, Akaba, but you're going to have to take second place. ;P


Fa Minh

Cute.

But you are going to include the seven-headed, twelve-horned dragon which has become the most godly mecha since Ideon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Runaway_Ideon), right?

Oh, and the Wh*re of Babylon has to be the sexist thing imaginable. Make it happen, MugenKeiji.


I would do....once i'm out of college as i'm still learning more about comic/manga and how to perfect it.

We're still on for those novel covers a good few years down the line, I presume? >_>

BattleFranky~40
28th December 2006, 8:37 PM
Most amusing premise that I've heard of recently, only to be topped by My Balls. Yes, really.

Ever heard of Lolicon Phoenix?

That Scary Clefairy
28th December 2006, 9:39 PM
Most amusing premise that I've heard of recently, only to be topped by My Balls. Yes, really.
I really want to read it. I want to find out how **** up in the head Japan can get.

which has become the most godly mecha since Ideon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Runaway_Ideon), right?No the most godly mecha is Spiderman's mecha. Yes JP had a live action tv series where Spidey is japanese and has a mecha.


We're still on for those novel covers a good few years down the line, I presume? >_> Yea and if you show any sign that you are working on the writing.

BattleFranky~40
28th December 2006, 9:41 PM
No the most godly mecha is Spiderman's mecha. Yes JP had a live action tv series where Spidey is japanese and has a mecha.
Yeah, it was pretty crazy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO9KH0erRig)

Akaba
28th December 2006, 11:36 PM
My Balls was genius.

It was. I love it. Great manga. It is great.

BattleFranky~40
28th December 2006, 11:38 PM
My Balls was genius.

It was. I love it. Great manga. It is great.

Everybody loves My Balls.

Akaba
28th December 2006, 11:41 PM
Everybody loves My Balls.

I know I do. That guy whoever made it will now get a cult following.

That Scary Clefairy
29th December 2006, 1:56 AM
Everybody loves My Balls.

including his own balls.

Sachiko
2nd January 2007, 12:32 AM
Once again, have a happy winter!!! I forgot about this thread. Now, that is just sad. I am ashamed...


Thinking back on it, I really betray a lot of what I said defending TSC a while back.

Sorry Satch, guess I was a little too hard. Didn't mean to impede any planned progress...if that actually happened.

Oh, it's okay!! No, you did not impede my progress.


Something I WILL say is play around with what you think will work for a bit. Then mind the input when you hit a brick wall. I'm sure you'll do fine and improve on your own, sure we complain about what works and what's been overdone...in truth you may or may not reiterate it. Either way, you're going to have to deal with naysayers.

I mind the input... Sometimes I think up strange ideas for Mitashi, and I don't realize what I'm doing until someone points it out. Or like in Yuletide Yu-Gi-Oh, I didn't even notice I wasn't putting in enough description.


Fact is, you're young and full of ideas. Don't hold them back just because a few of us vultures like to pick them apart.

That was touching... *cries*


It's just what we do, we claim we've read about everything and that very little pleases us, so excuse us "veterans" if we act like we know what's best because we're so dead set on "seeing something new". In fact some of us are so intent on doing so that we're forcefeeding you refinement to the point where it may not even be fun to experiment anymore.

That was so sad, but I will admit that it's very, very true.


Just remember, no one's holding a gun to your head.

That's good advice for everyone!!


For God's sakes, I just thumbed through Seven Sea's "Chugworth Academy" and found it moderately entertaining (much as I would an esoteric gaming webcomic or an no-s*** YouTube rant). If you can have more continuity than that, you're golden.

Alright... then I'm golden!!


So far, I'm still saying "meh". BUT the difference is that we have a little bit more of an idea of your character relations, at least you gave us a small view of what you're going to show us.

Ha ha. HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Wow. You should be happy right now that you only have a little bit!!! The character guide is very, very long. And there's a lot more info coming after the character guide.


Carry on as you were, but you're still going to have to deal with other's opinions.

DARN IT!!!! I was happy there for a while. =)


Don't oversimplify the character with basic traits. They can have different personalities while acting similar, yanno? One doesn't have to always be disruptive while the other quiet. Extremes are only good if handled very well, and very few people can do it very well.

I see what you're saying. Ah... I guess you're right.


2) Have people, I dunno, end up alone and maybe move on? That's happens a lot in real life (experience talking here, from both side's of the coin).

I am afraid of that. I hate stories with sad endings. And to me, being alone is sad. Nevertheless, Tainma does not have a boyfriend at all.


Watch good romance stories if you're focusing on attempting the genre. Subtlety is the key, here, so we don't need some "awkward moments" being every single key of development and some BS where the couples don't come together until the end. For instance, Emma (put out by CMX with currently two volumes released, seven volumes complete in Japan) makes it clear from the get-go what's going on and the character don't do any "OMG DO I LOVE THEM??!!" type of jibber-jabber. Mind you, that does happen its fair share of times in real life, but seriously, indecisive characters are way too popular.

Ugh. They are (Maron from Kamikaze Kaito Jeanne!!!). I don't think that's too much of a problem in Mitashi. Or maybe it is. There is info coming on that later.


Also, whatever happened to "romance" and "relationships"? Did they just disappear so we can get cheap "shipping" moments now?

I think I misunderstood the meaning of the word "shipping". I meant exactly "romance" and "relationships". I just named the relationships in Mitashi things like for example, Diamondshipping and Arabiashipping. Like I said, I think I misunderstood the meaning of "shipping"!!!


Gradually and naturally should definitely be the focused. It shouldn't just be a "let's focus on this character for now then sweep 'em under the rug" if they actually have some importance.

Yeah. Well, I was just listing the greatest moment of character development. It does happen gradually. I made that unclear...




I will reply to other ideas, no really.
I will post the character guide soon (but I have no pics). I would do it in this post, but it would be too long.
And right after that, Beginners' Fortune, my story, is coming.

I'm gonna eat dinner... Mitashi is one weird manga. I'm gonna read One Piece while eating dinner. Replacing one weird manga with another... (I love One Piece!! <3)

BattleFranky~40
2nd January 2007, 1:14 AM
Really, I think you are thinking far too ahead. You need time to develop things, not just set everything in stone and post about "seasons". This character loves that character, that character loves this character. It's boring, and doesn't do you any good. Start out with a premise and work as you go along, and don't expect anything you make to go on for an extended time.

Akaba
2nd January 2007, 1:29 AM
I must agree.

Seasons, bleh, blah, blah - should come AFTER you get the plot down first.

TELL ME your plot.

Straight out. And then develop.

The process of a manga:

Plot. NOT TITLE.

PLOT. Title comes after the plot.

Get down a PARAGRAPH. Just a solid paragraph about what your plot is about. After you get the paragraph down on what the story is, develop it. Who is the main character? Tell me what does your main character do to be in the plot of your story.

When you get down the one paragraph and your main character in your story, you can develop more. You can then take your one paragraph into two paragraphs and start filling in the pieces of your conflict and such. Then after that, add the names of your characters.

And when your finally done with that, write down your first chapter. What will be the FIRST PAGE - not the FIRST ARC. FIRST PAGE. And then just go on that, and on that - just build on it like a LEGO castle.

The love conflicts and such can be ploted before it happens in your story, but don't flesh it out RIGHT NOW; wait and just keep on making your manga and wait until your character's grow and see where it goes.

A lot of the time your character's can grow/mutate into different things than you actually at the start wanted them to be. And when that happens, your 5-hour plot thinking of two characters falling in love was useless.

...

And I would do this if I could draw.

SomaX
2nd January 2007, 7:33 AM
At the moment I'm working with a writer, as well as on 2 of my own creations.

BattleFranky~40
2nd January 2007, 7:34 AM
At the moment I'm working with a writer, as well as on 2 of my own creations.

How about you tell us what they are?

Akaba
2nd January 2007, 7:40 AM
I am seriously hating reading and hearing about 90% of stories.

Half of them already have 10 arcs and not ONE PAGE done.

And the OTHER half are horribly redone storylines with tasteless plot.

SomaX
2nd January 2007, 12:46 PM
How about you tell us what they are?

Shinobi Taisen, the one I'm working with a writer on, I'm not supposed to go into any detail about with out their permission.

Mosaic is about ninjas. Been working on it for about 5 months, and I'm nearly done with the first volume.

Sword Masters is about demons. I started this one a year and a half ago, then stopped working on it because I lost intrest in it. I'll probably pick it up again this summer.

BattleFranky~40
2nd January 2007, 12:50 PM
Shinobi Taisen, the one I'm working with a writer on, I'm not supposed to go into any detail about with out their permission.

Mosaic is about ninjas. Been working on it for about 5 months, and I'm nearly done with the first volume.

Sword Masters is about demons. I started this one a year and a half ago, then stopped working on it because I lost intrest in it. I'll probably pick it up again this summer.

First one sounds like a cheap Naruto clone, second one sounds generic to the max.

How about trying something different and fresh? You know, something that's not about ninjas and demons.

But anyways, that's barely enough to go off of.

Akaba
2nd January 2007, 1:03 PM
Blah, Demons, blah.

Seriously. I am sure my series could get picked up if I only knew how to draw.

Blegh, I did a write-up on my online novel (WANT TO BE A MANGA) in the neart future...


Seven Deadly Sins; the seven most terrible occurrences in the Middle Ground (Earth). As the time turns, seven people have devloped and shown what is bad about the Middle Ground and the sins they are believing in. With there path down the road of the Lower Ground (Hell), The High Angel makes a deal with the Devil, that whoever of the seven unlucky souls, can rule the top and show they belong, they can go to Heaven.

With this, the seven humans were chosen and the battleground has been foretold. The seven people, guided by a person angel and demon, have one year to kill every other sin on the surface, or they'll be going to hell - each one, when getting there, dying by their sins personal death.

Our main character, Akira Masaki, is a junior in high-school, a loser and a Class-A pervert. When his life is turned around by the game sent down from the other worlds, his plans change forever. With new powers comes great responsibilty.

But can our very own Lust survive the price for getting the chance to redeem himself? For in face, by the wishes of the Gods, now - his sin as geared up by 1000 fold.

So will Akira survive and show that he belongs? Or will the other sins kill him...or will the girls that he tries to touch all over kill him first?

SinnerS

Have no idea how I came up with that.

No frickin' idea. But I'm running with it.

SomaX
2nd January 2007, 1:08 PM
First one sounds like a cheap Naruto clone, second one sounds generic to the max.

How about trying something different and fresh? You know, something that's not about ninjas and demons.

But anyways, that's barely enough to go off of.

Well, if the first one sounds like Naruto, that ain't my problem, it's the writer's.

As for the other 2, the fact that I'm not going into enough detail for you to see that it's different than "normal" manga, is entirerly intentonal. Besides, if I want people to tell me what I don't want to hear, I'll just ask my editor.

Depressing fact of the day: There is no originality left in the world. Virtually every thing has been done 20 times over.

Akaba
2nd January 2007, 1:12 PM
Well, by saying that it sounds like a cop-out.

Really - YOU AREN'T going to get picked up by a Viz, so it's not like you can't tell us your dang plot.

SomaX
2nd January 2007, 1:19 PM
Well, by saying that it sounds like a cop-out.

Really - YOU AREN'T going to get picked up by a Viz, so it's not like you can't tell us your dang plot.

I'm not expecting Viz. But saying that I can't get my work published isn't true. Despite the fact that I've yet to show you anything, you've never seen my work.

And as for why I can't display my current projects, I'm just going with my editor on this.

Akaba
2nd January 2007, 1:20 PM
I'm not expecting Viz. But saying that I can't get my work published isn't true. Despite the fact that I've yet to show you anything, you've never seen my work.

And as for why I can't display my current projects, I'm just going with my editor on this.

So show me some of your work. Not your 'super secret top manga' work. Just some regular pictures.

Seriously, I know people who have went out for jobs in the manga, some pretty big America manga productions and what they are searching for. Some of the best artists get turned down for a bad story.

And even sometimes an amazing story will get turned down because of the art.

SomaX
2nd January 2007, 1:30 PM
So show me some of your work. Not your 'super secret top manga' work. Just some regular pictures.

Seriously, I know people who have went out for jobs in the manga, some pretty big America manga productions and what they are searching for. Some of the best artists get turned down for a bad story.

And even sometimes an amazing story will get turned down because of the art.

Fine. My scanner is shot though, so I can't show you anything very recent. This'll have to do. I drew it about a year ago for another project I lost intrest in. No where near as good as some of my current work, though. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g15/SomaX/mosaicp1-1.png

Akaba
2nd January 2007, 1:33 PM
Nope, anything in that scale would get shot down.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b1/Peachfuzzvol1.jpg

This girl won Tokyo Pop's Rising Stars I; she may of not been the greatest artist; I did see better artists, but her story stuck and was solid. Original.

Oh, and because I feel nice, I'll give you the most important link in your life...if your life is making a real manga.

DO THIS.

http://beanclam.livejournal.com/21560.html#cutid

...No, not the story. But how they did it. Their presentation for TokyoPop.

BattleFranky~40
2nd January 2007, 1:58 PM
Fine. My scanner is shot though, so I can't show you anything very recent. This'll have to do. I drew it about a year ago for another project I lost intrest in. No where near as good as some of my current work, though. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g15/SomaX/mosaicp1-1.png

Looks like an extremely cliche 'War is bad lolz' story. Seriously, can you come up with something that doesn't fit into a crappy archtype?

Akaba
2nd January 2007, 2:04 PM
Looks like an extremely cliche 'War is bad lolz' story. Seriously, can you come up with something that doesn't fit into a crappy archtype?

Heh, give him a break. The art's crap.

But if he can follow this - http://beanclam.livejournal.com/21560.html#cutid1

Add in some better art, he could get better.

Also buying Manga Studio 3.0 would be good. It can take stuff you have, ink it, good pencils and all that good stuff.

...

And if you don't listen to this. You officially deserve to get slapped. Because that's how you make a manga and get it picked up by Tokyo Pop (Which really nowadays if you have great art/good story, you'll get picked up)

And I'm making a Fan Manga Club so I can find an artist somewhere who draws cute little Pokemon.

BattleFranky~40
2nd January 2007, 2:07 PM
Heh, give him a break. The art's crap.
I'd say that's the understatement of the new year.


And I'm making a Fan Manga Club so I can find an artist somewhere who draws cute little Pokemon.
I'm sure you'll find somebody who only draw the most kawaii of kawaii rodents.

Akaba
2nd January 2007, 2:11 PM
I'd say that's the understatement of the new year.


I'm sure you'll find somebody who only draw the most kawaii of kawaii rodents.

Or you know, good pantie shots.


Seven Deadly Sins; the seven most terrible occurrences in the Middle Ground (Earth). As the time turns, seven people have devloped and shown what is bad about the Middle Ground and the sins they are believing in. With there path down the road of the Lower Ground (Hell), The High Angel makes a deal with the Devil, that whoever of the seven unlucky souls, can rule the top and show they belong, they can go to Heaven.

With this, the seven humans were chosen and the battleground has been foretold. The seven people, guided by a person angel and demon, have one year to kill every other sin on the surface, or they'll be going to hell - each one, when getting there, dying by their sins personal death.

Our main character, Akira Masaki, is a junior in high-school, a loser and a Class-A pervert. When his life is turned around by the game sent down from the other worlds, his plans change forever. With new powers comes great responsibilty.

But can our very own Lust survive the price for getting the chance to redeem himself? For in face, by the wishes of the Gods, now - his sin as geared up by 1000 fold.

So will Akira survive and show that he belongs? Or will the other sins kill him...or will the girls that he tries to touch all over kill him first?

SinnerS

I've already pitched that plot, a few pages of my online novel to some friends (outsiders/insiders) to some manga heads and they said it would have a 90% chance of getting picked up if the art is good.

...

I tried to draw my main character...he came out looking like that guy's art.

BattleFranky~40
2nd January 2007, 2:13 PM
I tried to draw my main character...he came out looking like that guy's art.
Well, keep trying. Through hard work and hotblooded courage you can definatly draw well.

Akaba
2nd January 2007, 2:18 PM
Well, keep trying. Through hard work and hotblooded courage you can definatly draw well.

Nah, I can write. Can't draw. Too lazy.

And I hate it when people with art talent always can't write and can't make plots, but they won't let people with good plots team-up.

The guy who just posted his art - if he had my story...I think it could of been good enough for a crappy freewebs site with five hits.

BattleFranky~40
2nd January 2007, 2:26 PM
Nah, I can write. Can't draw. Too lazy.

And I hate it when people with art talent always can't write and can't make plots, but they won't let people with good plots team-up.

The guy who just posted his art - if he had my story...I think it could of been good enough for a crappy freewebs site with five hits.

Well, it's a start, I'd say.

Akaba
2nd January 2007, 2:33 PM
Be honest, this would be my pin-up for my presentation to my manga company...

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2342/ffffn2.png

I know, it needs more action.

BattleFranky~40
2nd January 2007, 2:36 PM
Be honest, this would be my pin-up for my presentation to my manga company...

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2342/ffffn2.png

I know, it needs more action.

Hmm... far too thought provoking. The minimalist look is excelente, though.

Akaba
2nd January 2007, 2:42 PM
I've taken it down for all's own good.

My fan-comic was too good.

HK
2nd January 2007, 6:47 PM
Ever heard of Lolicon Phoenix?

Yeah, but the thing here is that My Balls takes something rather inane with perverted humor and just has that. Lolicon Phoenix is just an excuse for those obsessed with lolicon to "enjoy" something that they consider "justifiably right."


I really want to read it. I want to find out how **** up in the head Japan can get.

c ur pm b0x d00d


No the most godly mecha is Spiderman's mecha. Yes JP had a live action tv series where Spidey is japanese and has a mecha.

Still, did Spidey blow up the universe?


Yea and if you show any sign that you are working on the writing.

I'm kind of busy with other stuff, some meaningful, some not, and I still have to "refine" my writing. So as long as you'll be readily available to draw some art covers in a good few years, it'll be fine.


I know I do. That guy whoever made it will now get a cult following.

With my thread at the NF, it apparently already gained a cult following last time I checked many weeks ago... Come to think of it, its been a long time since I've even been on there, let alone posted.


I am afraid of that. I hate stories with sad endings.

Well, that's all well and good, I suppose, and it really is up to the author as to where they wish to take there work. However, more often than naught "sad" endings are more memorable and have a stronger, lasting impacting on the viewer than "happy" ones. Plus, while I know that the majority who watch and read entertainment do it purely for escapism, there is a small but vocal minority of us who want realism into the works of fiction.


And to me, being alone is sad.

Then don't ever watch the movie Johnny Got His Gun or read the original novel. It captures loneliness at its most extreme and is the most terrifyingly depressing stories that I've ever come across.


I think I misunderstood the meaning of the word "shipping". I meant exactly "romance" and "relationships". I just named the relationships in Mitashi things like for example, Diamondshipping and Arabiashipping. Like I said, I think I misunderstood the meaning of "shipping"!!!

Don't think of it in those terms, though. Just let relationships happen. Think about where you want to go with the characters from the start and where you want them to end up. Then, piece together their development to connect from who they are at the beginning and who they are at the end.


TELL ME your plot.

You mean something scrapped up on the spot?


Keith is a no-name hack who just scrapes by day by day with his pathetic desk job that sorts through different types of advertising slogans (and the people there are none too pleasant at all, with them constantly spilling coffee on him). He's miserable, his friends mooch off him, he has been dumped four times in the past two months, and his mother has remarried his best friend from high school (ouch). Still, it can't get any worse than this, and he has something to look forward to, right?

You'd be dead wrong.

He gets a contact one day from one of his old coworkers at his last desk job (where they sorted through the different designs for desks at a desk job) that tells him to meet at their old apartment. When Keith goes there he finds the living space to be vacant. As he is about to leave, he is attacked by an apparently deranged man who has seemingly broken in. In the midst of the fight he kills him with a knife, but not before the man calls out to the rest of the complex that he has been killed in his own home. Confused, Keith desperately tries to plead with the other residents that he was doing it in self-defense, but they refuse to believe him and tell him that the apartment belonged to the man that he just killed.

Without nowhere to go but be taken in by the police, Keith escapes through the window (located only on the second floor) and flees the scene. He is soon to be swept in by a chain of events that involve the murder and his old coworker as he tries to clear his name. Little does he realize that there is a deeper mystery that ties into a conspiracy that he never would have dreamed of...

See, folks, I thought that up only as I typed that. It is honestly not that hard to come up with a premise that isn't truly contrived and has some reasonable merit. As I and others have said before, think about what you want to set up, how you want to end it, and then connect the plot as you go about it.

Oh, and heed the big letters in the quote. I will stick to that promise.


Have no idea how I came up with that.

With hard work and guts.

Buy Gunbuster when it is released in February, damn it!


As for the other 2, the fact that I'm not going into enough detail for you to see that it's different than "normal" manga, is entirerly intentonal. Besides, if I want people to tell me what I don't want to hear, I'll just ask my editor.

Oh, come on. Just feeding out the basic concept and the likes isn't going to have someone on here steal your idea.


Depressing fact of the day: There is no originality left in the world. Virtually every thing has been done 20 times over.

1) That isn't quite true.

2) How is that depressing?


Fine. My scanner is shot though, so I can't show you anything very recent. This'll have to do. I drew it about a year ago for another project I lost intrest in. No where near as good as some of my current work, though. http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g15/SomaX/mosaicp1-1.png

Try to drop the exposition and just lead into it. Telling what the story is primarily about is rarely a good thing, unless it is someone "firsthand account" by a reporter or something along those lines. (I still have Tezuka's Adolf stuck in my head.)

-Sonansu!-
2nd January 2007, 9:54 PM
Columbus, Ohio
Oh HEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLL no. That's where I live at (on the west side). :O

But anyway... due to the lack of a scanner I can't scan anything new of mine.

For Astronomical Adventure I've gotten about four issues in, without actually planning too far ahead what will happen in terms of story. Maybe 1/4 of an issue ahead (it's been a hell of a ride so far). Led Astron through the gates of hell (which in AA are guarded by two large and rather vicious dogs), had Allen actually show his face (though the reader doesn't actually see it, and Astron shrieks in horror, parodying other comics/manga), and a few other things already. I'm still trying to work on getting good materials, which is proving to be too expensive for my current budget.

Maybe me going to an art college this year will finally help me to get the materials I need.

Akaba
2nd January 2007, 10:11 PM
You know what would help?

Get Manga Studio 3.0. It's supposed to be a great program. It can help you shade, ink, ect - it only costs $50.

-Sonansu!-
2nd January 2007, 10:44 PM
That actually exists? Damn....

I shall do a Google search and see if I can find this somewhere online. Thanks for the heads up.

Tolneir
2nd January 2007, 10:54 PM
Im thinking about making a manga, but my drawings arent good enough yet. here are two of the would-be main characters-

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/6207/file0682tf4.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3246/file0683pu6.jpg

That Scary Clefairy
2nd January 2007, 11:16 PM
Get Manga Studio 3.0. It's supposed to be a great program. It can help you shade, ink, ect - it only costs $50.
Actually it sucks. If you want to be a great manga ka or comic artist, you got to do it the good ol traditional way: pencil, ink, and screen toning. computer not gonna make it look the best despite what you may think.

Im thinking about making a manga, but my drawings arent good enough yet. here are two of the would-be main characters-

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/6207/file0682tf4.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3246/file0683pu6.jpg
Eh, alright but kinda out of proportion. Just fit the proportions.

Korobooshi Kojiro
2nd January 2007, 11:34 PM
Here are some random ideas people could use as a springboard:

*A manga about making a manga. Been done? Maybe, but would be bizarrely parodoxal.
*A manga in which a boy is dragged down from his social life into the deep rooted, and bizarre Forums. However, some members are actually a cult and trying too convert the other members, so the hero must use his excellent PWN skills too find the criminals. Of course, the series would be saturated with the bizarre workings of the actual online world.
*A manga about a caterpillar growing up. Simple, sweet, and a nice stepping stone for a inspring artist.

Err...these sounded somewhat original too me. I think taking a rather normal idea (such as a Librarian, or perhaps IRS Agent) and making it interesting would be a nice starting point.

Nat the Yoshi
2nd January 2007, 11:37 PM
I have, like, 4 manga ideas in mind right now. I have the main charicters and everything I just haven't drawn them yet (I can't draw that well...:( ). I also don't have a photobucket or imageshack account so I can't show you guys the charicters (once again, :(). So instead I'll tell you guys the storyline of one of them (my mangas are inspired by other mangas/animes so you might spot some similarities.).
AMANTO
In the year 2550 alians, called the AMANTO, have desended to earth. After taking over it, they have basicly turned it into their own planet, so the humans must follow their laws... or perish. One day young 8 year old Hikaru Amto and his friend, Somaru Ogata, are playing at the beach with their families. Everything seems peaceful... or is it? Suddenly, the AMANTO army comes, and distroys everyting in sight. When asked to hand over his son and his his wife, Hikaru's father refuses and get's killed by their beam swords (I can't say Lightsabers. That would break copyright laws. :)). Soon after, while trying to get away with her son, Hikaru's mother get's shot in the back. Hikaru, however, manages to get away, but before he did, one AMANTO solder scarred his left ear. The scar heals instantly, but Hikaru hasn't. He vows to distroy the AMANTO, for what they did to his family.
Now, ten years later, Hikaru Amto is 18 and lives in a small hut. For ten years he hasn't smiled or shown any signs of happyness. The only thing that gives him some sort of a thrill is a sport called Air Surfing. One day, while "Surfing" home from school, he spots a plane called the Komodo. Hikaru then notices something other than the ship, though. He spots his childhood friend, Somaru Ogata. He lands. Somaru, or better known now as Ogata, convinces Hikaru to join the Air Fighters, an anti-AMANTO organization that he leads. On the Komodo, he gets a warm welcome by his crew mates. He replies with a snort. Suddenly, the ship's pilot, Akari, storms in. Ogata tells her that because she was late, she had to bunk with him until further notice.
That's all I've done in the story so far, but I'll continue it later.

Korobooshi Kojiro
2nd January 2007, 11:39 PM
Aren't the AMANTO the names of the aliens in Gintama? >.>

Hikaru is an overused name also.

BattleFranky~40
2nd January 2007, 11:40 PM
Aren't the AMANTO the names of the aliens in Gintama? >.>


Why yes, it is. Yay for originality.

Akaba
2nd January 2007, 11:45 PM
I have, like, 4 manga ideas in mind right now. I have the main charicters and everything I just haven't drawn them yet (I can't draw that well...:( ). I also don't have a photobucket or imageshack account so I can't show you guys the charicters (once again, :(). So instead I'll tell you guys the storyline of one of them (my mangas are inspired by other mangas/animes so you might spot some similarities.).
AMANTO
In the year 2550 alians, called the AMANTO, have desended to earth. After taking over it, they have basicly turned it into their own planet, so the humans must follow their laws... or perish. One day young 8 year old Hikaru Amto and his friend, Somaru Ogata, are playing at the beach with their families. Everything seems peaceful... or is it? Suddenly, the AMANTO army comes, and distroys everyting in sight. When asked to hand over his son and his his wife, Hikaru's father refuses and get's killed by their beam swords (I can't say Lightsabers. That would break copyright laws. :)). Soon after, while trying to get away with her son, Hikaru's mother get's shot in the back. Hikaru, however, manages to get away, but before he did, one AMANTO solder scarred his left ear. The scar heals instantly, but Hikaru hasn't. He vows to distroy the AMANTO, for what they did to his family.
Now, ten years later, Hikaru Amto is 18 and lives in a small hut. For ten years he hasn't smiled or shown any signs of happyness. The only thing that gives him some sort of a thrill is a sport called Air Surfing. One day, while "Surfing" home from school, he spots a plane called the Komodo. Hikaru then notices something other than the ship, though. He spots his childhood friend, Somaru Ogata. He lands. Somaru, or better known now as Ogata, convinces Hikaru to join the Air Fighters, an anti-AMANTO organization that he leads. On the Komodo, he gets a warm welcome by his crew mates. He replies with a snort. Suddenly, the ship's pilot, Akari, storms in. Ogata tells her that because she was late, she had to bunk with him until further notice.
That's all I've done in the story so far, but I'll continue it later.

Wow.

You just stole Gintama's name, 'Air Surfing' is a TOTAL RIP-OFF of Reffing from Eureak seveN, it's always a basic rip of frickin' Star Wars, and the Old friend meeting, joining to take down the government is a dang Code Geass rip - even with the damn mecha.

Boo.

Korobooshi Kojiro
2nd January 2007, 11:50 PM
Replace AMANTO with Fabulous Aliens, Air Surfing with Competitive Figure Skating, and "old friends meeting" with chat speak followed by a killer game of Minesweep, and you got yourself a kick-arse manga!

-Sonansu!-
2nd January 2007, 11:51 PM
I try to stay away from Japanese names largely now. My old series, Fatal Fighters, was full of them. Even though I knew what they meant and why they should have those names, that didn't mean that the readers knew. And I did away with the "complicated Japanese puns that no one other than myself knew about unless they knew any Japanese" thing that plagued everything else I worked on.

In Astronomical Adventure, I actually introduced a character who speaks completely in anagrams. He seems stupid to Astron and the rest but actually relays useful information, albeit not in the way he should be doing it.

There's another character who solves everything by way of deus ex machina, and there was a joke with him in the second issue where Astron asks him to solve his imminent problem of having to fight Allen by telling him to make the whole situation a dream.

That Scary Clefairy
2nd January 2007, 11:54 PM
Here are some random ideas people could use as a springboard:

*A manga about a caterpillar growing up. Simple, sweet, and a nice stepping stone for a inspring artist.

I actually like this idea. good suggestion. Nothing fabluous but at least it helps you as an artist develop.

Nat the Yoshi
3rd January 2007, 12:14 AM
Wow.

You just stole Gintama's name, 'Air Surfing' is a TOTAL RIP-OFF of Reffing from Eureak seveN, it's always a basic rip of frickin' Star Wars, and the Old friend meeting, joining to take down the government is a dang Code Geass rip - even with the damn mecha.

Boo.
Ok, well number one, I said that there would be refrences to other Mangas/animes, number two, I don't know what Code Geass is, and number three, I didn't say that there was mecha. I know I stole Gin Tama's name. I thought it sounded cool.


Replace AMANTO with Fabulous Aliens, Air Surfing with Competitive Figure Skating, and "old friends meeting" with chat speak followed by a killer game of Minesweep, and you got yourself a kick-arse manga!
Well, I guess that everyone has their own opinion :).

Akaba
3rd January 2007, 12:15 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_J-pop_artists

The basis of Japanese names.

If you don't have a cool name for your character?

Find J-Pop kids.

BattleFranky~40
3rd January 2007, 12:17 AM
Ok, well number one, I said that there would be refrences to other Mangas/animes, number two, I don't know what Code Geass is, and number three, I didn't say that there was mecha. I know I stole Gin Tama's name. I thought it sounded cool.
Yeah, I guess blantant ripoffs can be called "references".

Akaba
3rd January 2007, 12:20 AM
People don't want damn over fantasy.

Gah.

AMERICAN MANGA COMPANIES DO NOT LIKE SUPER FANTASY.

This has been documented. They like shojou, fantasy (Not OVERLY fantasy with robots, aliens, crazy monsters), mystery and such.

If you bring originality - anything new, they will actually look.

Any American manga company from TokyoPop to Seven Seas Manga would look at your plot, laugh and then kick you out.

HK
3rd January 2007, 12:38 AM
Oh HEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLL no. That's where I live at (on the west side). :O

East side, right along the tracks, just up against the fairgrounds. Personally I want out of this neighborhood as fast as possible.


For Astronomical Adventure I've gotten about four issues in, without actually planning too far ahead what will happen in terms of story. Maybe 1/4 of an issue ahead (it's been a hell of a ride so far). Led Astron through the gates of hell (which in AA are guarded by two large and rather vicious dogs), had Allen actually show his face (though the reader doesn't actually see it, and Astron shrieks in horror, parodying other comics/manga), and a few other things already. I'm still trying to work on getting good materials, which is proving to be too expensive for my current budget.

For some odd reason this reminds me of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Maybe it's the title and bizarre comical elements in a sci-fi type of setting?


*A manga about making a manga. Been done? Maybe, but would be bizarrely parodoxal.

I only know of two, one titled Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga (Viz only released the first volume a few years ago), and the second being Super Cruel and Terrible Tales of Manga-ka. Both are parodies, if you didn't figure it out.


*A manga in which a boy is dragged down from his social life into the deep rooted, and bizarre Forums. However, some members are actually a cult and trying too convert the other members, so the hero must use his excellent PWN skills too find the criminals. Of course, the series would be saturated with the bizarre workings of the actual online world.

Welcome to the N.H.K. meets Train Man. :p


*A manga about a caterpillar growing up. Simple, sweet, and a nice stepping stone for a inspring artist.

No dialogue and sound, please. I'd love to see someone do another Gon, in that way.


I try to stay away from Japanese names largely now. My old series, Fatal Fighters, was full of them. Even though I knew what they meant and why they should have those names, that didn't mean that the readers knew. And I did away with the "complicated Japanese puns that no one other than myself knew about unless they knew any Japanese" thing that plagued everything else I worked on.

Whatever happened to good ol' "Joe" or "Anna"? Are Japanese names taking over the English?


In Astronomical Adventure, I actually introduced a character who speaks completely in anagrams. He seems stupid to Astron and the rest but actually relays useful information, albeit not in the way he should be doing it.

Dude, watch the old BBC television series of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy or else read the original novels right now. You'd loved a similarly smart character named Marvin in there, though for entirely different reasons.


There's another character who solves everything by way of deus ex machina, and there was a joke with him in the second issue where Astron asks him to solve his imminent problem of having to fight Allen by telling him to make the whole situation a dream.

Sorta reminds me of a recurring effect used in Perfect Blue, one of two things that brought the movie down from being a masterpiece (the other was its ending).

Akaba
3rd January 2007, 12:40 AM
Japanese names are just cooler.

Hiyosasha Fuji >>>>> Joe Brown

Korobooshi Kojiro
3rd January 2007, 1:10 AM
Yeah.

Honestly, besides Hollie (which is the best name ever) American names are so...boring compared too like every other country.

Akaba
3rd January 2007, 1:13 AM
Seven Deadly Sins; the seven most terrible occurrences in the Middle Ground (Earth). As the time turns, seven people have devloped and shown what is bad about the Middle Ground and the sins they are believing in. With there path down the road of the Lower Ground (Hell), The High Angel makes a deal with the Devil, that whoever of the seven unlucky souls, can rule the top and show they belong, they can go to Heaven.

With this, the seven humans were chosen and the battleground has been foretold. The seven people, guided by a person angel and demon, have one year to kill every other sin on the surface, or they'll be going to hell - each one, when getting there, dying by their sins personal death.

Our main character, Akira Masaki, is a junior in high-school, a loser and a Class-A pervert. When his life is turned around by the game sent down from the other worlds, his plans change forever. With new powers comes great responsibilty.

But can our very own Lust survive the price for getting the chance to redeem himself? For in face, by the wishes of the Gods, now - his sin as geared up by 1000 fold.

So will Akira survive and show that he belongs? Or will the other sins kill him...or will the girls that he tries to touch all over kill him first?

SinnerS


Keith is a no-name hack who just scrapes by day by day with his pathetic desk job that sorts through different types of advertising slogans (and the people there are none too pleasant at all, with them constantly spilling coffee on him). He's miserable, his friends mooch off him, he has been dumped four times in the past two months, and his mother has remarried his best friend from high school (ouch). Still, it can't get any worse than this, and he has something to look forward to, right?

You'd be dead wrong.

He gets a contact one day from one of his old coworkers at his last desk job (where they sorted through the different designs for desks at a desk job) that tells him to meet at their old apartment. When Keith goes there he finds the living space to be vacant. As he is about to leave, he is attacked by an apparently deranged man who has seemingly broken in. In the midst of the fight he kills him with a knife, but not before the man calls out to the rest of the complex that he has been killed in his own home. Confused, Keith desperately tries to plead with the other residents that he was doing it in self-defense, but they refuse to believe him and tell him that the apartment belonged to the man that he just killed.

Without nowhere to go but be taken in by the police, Keith escapes through the window (located only on the second floor) and flees the scene. He is soon to be swept in by a chain of events that involve the murder and his old coworker as he tries to clear his name. Little does he realize that there is a deeper mystery that ties into a conspiracy that he never would have dreamed of...


For Astronomical Adventure I've gotten about four issues in, without actually planning too far ahead what will happen in terms of story. Maybe 1/4 of an issue ahead (it's been a hell of a ride so far). Led Astron through the gates of hell (which in AA are guarded by two large and rather vicious dogs), had Allen actually show his face (though the reader doesn't actually see it, and Astron shrieks in horror, parodying other comics/manga), and a few other things already. I'm still trying to work on getting good materials, which is proving to be too expensive for my current budget.


AMANTO
In the year 2550 alians, called the AMANTO, have desended to earth. After taking over it, they have basicly turned it into their own planet, so the humans must follow their laws... or perish. One day young 8 year old Hikaru Amto and his friend, Somaru Ogata, are playing at the beach with their families. Everything seems peaceful... or is it? Suddenly, the AMANTO army comes, and distroys everyting in sight. When asked to hand over his son and his his wife, Hikaru's father refuses and get's killed by their beam swords (I can't say Lightsabers. That would break copyright laws. ). Soon after, while trying to get away with her son, Hikaru's mother get's shot in the back. Hikaru, however, manages to get away, but before he did, one AMANTO solder scarred his left ear. The scar heals instantly, but Hikaru hasn't. He vows to distroy the AMANTO, for what they did to his family.
Now, ten years later, Hikaru Amto is 18 and lives in a small hut. For ten years he hasn't smiled or shown any signs of happyness. The only thing that gives him some sort of a thrill is a sport called Air Surfing. One day, while "Surfing" home from school, he spots a plane called the Komodo. Hikaru then notices something other than the ship, though. He spots his childhood friend, Somaru Ogata. He lands. Somaru, or better known now as Ogata, convinces Hikaru to join the Air Fighters, an anti-AMANTO organization that he leads. On the Komodo, he gets a warm welcome by his crew mates. He replies with a snort. Suddenly, the ship's pilot, Akari, storms in. Ogata tells her that because she was late, she had to bunk with him until further notice.
That's all I've done in the story so far, but I'll continue it later.

You decide which one you would be...

I like the Rip-Off Manga.

That Scary Clefairy
3rd January 2007, 2:33 AM
People don't want damn over fantasy.
Gah.

AMERICAN MANGA COMPANIES DO NOT LIKE SUPER FANTASY.

This has been documented. They like shojou, fantasy (Not OVERLY fantasy with robots, aliens, crazy monsters), mystery and such.
I have to disagree with ya there on bolded. especially on anime genre. manga/anime hardly have odd shape and unique aliens. One of the things I miss during sci fi manga. Mine involve loads of unique aliens.


Japanese names are just cooler.
Hiyosasha Fuji >>>>> Joe Brown

Honestly, besides Hollie (which is the best name ever) American names are so...boring compared too like every other country. Italian, latin, and german names beat japanese names any day.

Akaba
3rd January 2007, 2:35 AM
No, no.

I mean Fantasy manga's getting picked up by COMPANIES. Not fans; fans may love it, but companies have turned down MANY great artists and works because it has too much fantasy and too much craziness thrown into one.

That Scary Clefairy
3rd January 2007, 2:46 AM
Dark Horse encourage alot of sci fi and alien stuff for manga but even more so on comic.

Akaba
3rd January 2007, 2:50 AM
Dark Horse encourage alot of sci fi and alien stuff for manga but even more so on comic.

Yeah, I am saying manga. Right now manga is in a phase, I am dead serious, it's between cute, fluffy on the edge shoujo or shoujo, or the dark, spirit, shinigami type manga.

American Manga REALLY isn't looking for super alien blasting super fantasy slaying ice cream men.

That Scary Clefairy
3rd January 2007, 2:56 AM
Yeah, I am saying manga. Right now manga is in a phase, I am dead serious, it's between cute, fluffy on the edge shoujo or shoujo, or the dark, spirit, shinigami type manga.

American Manga REALLY isn't looking for super alien blasting super fantasy slaying ice cream men.

maybe not that, but if you make the universe and use humans and aliens in more social acceptance(kinda what you see in star wars or green lantern corps) than it might work.

if the list you gave is the in phase types, then some that isn't in phases would work since it's less "recogniable" and there for more "original" as oppose to the shoujo stuff.

Earlier you were talking about how original stuff is the best way to go.

Akaba
3rd January 2007, 3:01 AM
maybe not that, but if you make the universe and use humans and aliens in more social acceptance(kinda what you see in star wars or green lantern corps) than it might work.

if the list you gave is the in phase types, then some that isn't in phases would work since it's less "recogniable" and there for more "original" as oppose to the shoujo stuff.

Earlier you were talking about how original stuff is the best way to go.

It is. But people don't want overly fantasty.

http://beanclam.livejournal.com/21560.html#cutid1

This guy's art, story was great - but TP denied him because of too high fantasy. And by the story it seem pretty dang original.

That Scary Clefairy
3rd January 2007, 3:18 AM
It is. But people don't want overly fantasty.

http://beanclam.livejournal.com/21560.html#cutid1

This guy's art, story was great - but TP denied him because of too high fantasy. And by the story it seem pretty dang original.

Wow it awesoem and everything. he was stupid for going to TP. They never pick good choices anyway. He has a higher chance with 7 Sea entertainment.

Akaba
3rd January 2007, 3:42 AM
Actually his second manga which was more down-to-earth got picked up by TokyoPop.

And Seven Seas manga is probably the same. Look at their manga.

They got Chugsworth, Aoi House, STRAWBERRY! and all these shoujos.

And then they have the spirits/western themes like Boogie, Hollow Fields, Death Jr.

And I love Seven Seas, but I can not help but to think this new title pick-up is Air Gear...without skates.

http://www.gomanga.com/manga/freerunners.php

BattleFranky~40
3rd January 2007, 3:46 AM
So inane fanservice with a story that makes no sense, but without the skating skillz, instead replaced with building jumping skillz?

Akaba
3rd January 2007, 3:50 AM
So inane fanservice with a story that makes no sense, but without the skating skillz, instead replaced with building jumping skillz?

Hey, Air Gear's story made super sense.

Rough kid.

Naked 'sisters' that are a group of ultimate skaters.

Rough kid makes a skating team.

Skating teams all over the world battle for some cool wheels.

Just super duper fanservice and you got Air Gear.

But really, look at the girl - she looks exactly like the chick who randomly was naked through the series...

Oh, and if that isn't clear - the one who the main character admires in the first chapter.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/Simca.jpg

Call me rip-off.

BattleFranky~40
3rd January 2007, 3:51 AM
How unoriginal.

But it has boobies, so things like story don't matter.

Akaba
3rd January 2007, 3:55 AM
That is true and that's why it has fans.

But I'm wondering what's the next 'extreme' manga sport. We had reffing, sky skating, now free-running...

Super Pogo-Sticking.

BattleFranky~40
3rd January 2007, 3:57 AM
That is true and that's why it has fans.

But I'm wondering what's the next 'extreme' manga sport. We had reffing, sky skating, now free-running...

Super Pogo-Sticking.

Hotblooded Dodgeball.

Akaba
3rd January 2007, 4:02 AM
Hahahahaha, Wow - Freeruners has offically become Air Gear New York

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8045/airgear7gi.jpg

Main character of Air-Gear

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/8126/featuresfreerunners0011xo4.jpg

Main character of Freeruners the black-haired kid.

...

Boo.

That Scary Clefairy
3rd January 2007, 5:58 AM
lol. though one thing. Air Gear seem to adapt to the hiphop culture which is American in the first place so having Free Runners adapt hiphop culture is acceptable. I do agree the main character look too generaic and boring. At least the chick you showed earlier was hot.

As for 7 Sea entertainment, one I do like is No Man's Land, Raven Skull, and one other I can't remember. Nothing in TP interest me. Van Von Hunter is funny but that's it. No artist merits(uses that manga studios hence why i knew it sucks), and nothing stands out too well.

One importnat thing if you want you manga or comic to get big is establish an iconic character of your own that you believe will grab everyone. Inu Yasha, Naruto, Goku, Pikachu, Superman, Vash, even Ichigo Kurosaki etc. They got these iconic characters(some more major than others) that pulls audience in as oppose to main character like Asuna from Yatitake Japan or Carrot from Sorceror Hunter or Train Heartnet from Black Cat.

Akaba
3rd January 2007, 6:12 AM
Well I would totally try to draw my main characters...except A. No Scanner and B. Whatever I look like will come off looking like crud.

That Scary Clefairy
3rd January 2007, 6:27 AM
Onece I have all the White Guardian memebrs drawn i'll post em up on this thread. they are sketches but get the idea and design down.

Akaba
3rd January 2007, 6:35 AM
Can you pm me a preview. I want to see your art.

I might not get myself any manga deals, but I could surely show you the places to go where you can find people to get you there.

-Sonansu!-
3rd January 2007, 12:27 PM
East side, right along the tracks, just up against the fairgrounds. Personally I want out of this neighborhood as fast as possible.
Ouch. That's kind of a bad place to live. My cousin lives right in that area.


For some odd reason this reminds me of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Maybe it's the title and bizarre comical elements in a sci-fi type of setting?
Hahaha, I've never even seen/read that yet. Now I must.


Whatever happened to good ol' "Joe" or "Anna"? Are Japanese names taking over the English?
In AA, a lot of characters have names that start with "A" (and one of them is actually named Anna too, after one of my friends :P). In this case I picked names that I liked, whereas in FF I picked names that sounded Japanese. :p


Dude, watch the old BBC television series of [i]Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy or else read the original novels right now. You'd loved a similarly smart character named Marvin in there, though for entirely different reasons.
Man, now I really have to read this. :D

MugenKeiji
3rd January 2007, 11:00 PM
How unoriginal.

But it has boobies, so things like story don't matter.

That's the quote of the day, folks!

That Scary Clefairy
3rd January 2007, 11:02 PM
That's the quote of the day, folks!

fanservice ftw :)

-Sonansu!-
3rd January 2007, 11:24 PM
Forgot about this....


Mine is called Astronomical Adventure. Basically, it's about this cosmic kid named Astron, whose hair looks like an overgrown spider. I have only one issue (well, aside from inking) done so far, and it's not even part of the actual story, so I have to get working on the other ones. Some of the stuff SOUNDS violent, but there really is no blood, and most of the weapon violence is only threatened. MOST of it.

Here are some of the characters (and yes, I'm aware that a lot of their names start with "A." :P):

Astron
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Age: N/A, he's basically immortal, but I'll put his age as 16 since he has the mindset of someone that old.
Appearance: Teal hair and yellow eyes. Has a small frame, and a very odd sense of style.

Astron is a very unlucky character. Sure he's blessed with amazing drawing skills (with the use of his giant pencil, called the Stellar Sketcher) but other than that, bad luck always seems to follow him around. He has to fend off evil, and constantly take care of a girl he zapped with an amnesia ray, or said girl's brother will kill him.

Even worse, the said girl's personality changes constantly and he has to stop her from doing anything she might cause her or others harm. Luckily the ray wears off in three years, so all Astron has to do is keep her safe from harm for that long. Sounds easy enough....right? Well, with that, and having to constantly help people and save whoever or whatever, I'd say no.

Allen
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Age: 19
Appearance: Long blonde hair that covers his eyes, unknown eye color, huge sweatshirt with a frowny face on it, and baggy pants.

Allen was cursed by the great demon Ma-kyuro, which caused him to be able to materialize his emotions. Meaning, you better not make him mad, or he may send a big tornado or earthquake your way.

He meets Astron after Astron erases his sister's memory. He then becomes so angry that he almost kills him with his emotions. But then, he stops, and tells Astron that if he takes care of his sister for three years (the time it takes for the amnesia ray to wear off) then he'll let him live.

Anna
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Age: 15
Appearance: Purple hair, bow on head, weird smirk

Anna is Allen's little sister. She was a cute, carefree girl, until Astron zapped her with his Amnesia Ray. Turns out he was trying to use it to zap someone he was fighting, but ended up hitting her instead.

As a result of being hit by the ray, in addition to her memory being lost, some of her personality genes got scrambled, and sometimes, for no reason at all, she'll go crazy and turn into a psycho who goes around challenging everyone to duels (and by duels I mean with weapons).

To make matters worse, the giant lollipop she now carries around can turn into anything from a hammer to a saw. And that's just not good if she happens to be carrying the lollipop around while transformed.


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Now this next character is from a different manga I made called Fatal Fighters, though he's different here than he is in FF.

Shingo Shirakawa
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Age: 20
Appearance: Baseball player with long blue hair.

Shingo is a legend in Astron's world. He killed Chaos in Fatal Fighters, and was regarded as a hero the world over. After that, he traveled around the world fighting opponents, and then he found a new enemy: a mechanical dragon that was terrorizing Japan.

Shingo then out of impulse grabbed a sword during the fight, and when the dragon breathed a fireball in his direction, he hit it back at the dragon with his sword, and it melted the main control panel, causing it to lose.

In an odd twist of fate, Shingo honed this ability and became a great baseball player. He saved Earth, traveled around the world, AND became a great baseball player before he even started college. Quite the accomplished character.

Shizura
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Age: 14
Appearance: Hair made of fire, evil smirk, headphones on head.
Gender: No one knows.

Shizura has one goal on its mind. To beat Astron at his own game: drawing. The fact that its hair is made of fire and that its name is written in Katakana means that it often gets nicknamed "The Sizzler."

Aurora
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Age: 15
Appearance: Petite, pink hair. Has a huge heart on the front of her shirt. Astron's crush.

Aurora is basically just....there. She's there for comedy value, airheaded moments, and she's there....for Astron as well. They secretly like each other but are too afraid to say anything to each other due to fear of rejection from the other party.

She's also Allen's sister's greatest rival. Aurora may seem to be completely airheaded and useless, but when she gets serious, she can do almost anything.

Yo-Yo
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Age: N/A
Appearance: Think a yo-yo with a face on one side with its string as its body. Yes, that's as weird as it sounds.

Yo-Yo is the undisputed champion of yo-yo tricks (ironic eh?) and he actually aids Astron sometimes when the going gets tough. However, he very rarely gets credit for anything he does and is regarded as a jerk by most, even though he's in fact the opposite.

Also, Yo-Yo's origin is mysterious. Some say he was born with his appearance, others say he was cursed. Who knows?

Manta Ray
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Age: 22
Appearance: Gray hair which is shaped at the front like a manta ray, Chinese clothing (hey, he likes this type of clothing, so what? :P).

Manta Ray actually got his first name from the fact that his sister's name is Marina. Yeah, his parents are messed up indeed. He goes by his middle name, which is Ray (obviously).

But anyway, Ray is like a teacher to Astron. He taught him how to draw out power using his pencil, and also how to control his power. He was the most successful hero around, until he was drained of all his powers. Now he's just a regular human.

His sister was one of Shingo's best friends. He and Shingo don't get along very well because they don't trust each other much.

Mr. Mishima
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Age: 42
Appearance: Sunglasses, black hair, business suit.

Mr. Mishima is the guard of Chaos' castle. Even though Chaos is technically dead, there still needed to be a replacement to the guard dogs that were in front of the gate of the castle, since they were both offed by Shingo half a decade ago.

Also, Chaos' son lives in the castle now, so Mr. Mishima protects him from any danger. Mishima can be terribly violent at times, as well as arrogant and selfish, but he actually has a soft spot, even though it's only for people as evil as he is.

Temporal
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Age: 12
Appearance: Weird spiky hair, with two antennae shaped like an upside-down music note, headphones on head.

"Loud-mouthed annoying brat" is a good phrase to describe this guy. He fights using music and music notes as a weapon. What's sad about this guy is, he tries to be evil, but ultimately, in the end, ends up just being annoying.

Basically, he's a walking list of "don'ts" for those who want to be evil.

At least he has a lot of fighting techniques to his credit, and if he wants to keep people away using deafening sounds, he can.

I'm already four issues in like I said (as in, three done, one planned) but I'm trying to think of a better name for the manga. Astronomical Adventure is kind of a cool name but the whole thing isn't really an adventure. It's more like a misadventure, where practically everything goes wrong, or ends up being a parody of something else. :D

Akaba
3rd January 2007, 11:53 PM
I'm actually getting someone, a great and cool guy, to make a spread for my manga - he's close to a TokyoPop deal, so he's a really cool guy. Right now he's just sketching it out, ect.

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6024/hdfuy2.jpg

Pwetty neat-o.

That Scary Clefairy
4th January 2007, 4:59 AM
I'm actually getting someone, a great and cool guy, to make a spread for my manga - he's close to a TokyoPop deal, so he's a really cool guy. Right now he's just sketching it out, ect.

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6024/hdfuy2.jpg

Pwetty neat-o.

So he drew that or you did?

Akaba
4th January 2007, 5:01 AM
So he drew that or you did?

He did; I can't draw for crud. He just sketched that, and he is going to ink it and color it for me. It's quite nice.

Crystal Clair
6th January 2007, 4:15 AM
Crud
I never saw this thread here ever. If I had seen it earlier, I'd have definitely posted a lot more.
Lets just say I come up with ideas for manga, and they come and go way too fast to settle down with. But some of these ideas are incredible IMO

There's this one story about reincarnation. The beginning takes place in this timeless world that's based on an ancient civilization. There are two girls in the story and they're best friends. But one day one of the girls moves away but gives the other girl a beautiful crystal orb to remember her by. The other girl never sees her again.
Centuries later, after both girls are dead, they are reborn, but in different parts of the world. One girl is born in a poor African village that is constantly threatened by one of the notorious rabid tribes that do crazy things like chop peoples' hands off. The other girl is born in America, in the stereotypical American family (mc-mansion, SUV, father with beer-belly, slightly overweight siblings and tons of fast-food and microwave meals).
One day from the sky, that same crystal ball flies out of nowhere (time maybe?) and the girl finds it.
However, I dont know any good storyline to add there. What I wanted to add sounded almost cliche.

I have loads of more ideas so get ready.
edit - while I was writing this post, I wondered if I'd get a new post rank
I did.... and now I'm wondering if it was psychic or something

BattleFranky~40
6th January 2007, 4:19 AM
Really, it sounds nice to me. You just need to find a way to expand the idea.

Like how Urasawa expanded on the topic people forgetting stuff to make 20th Century Boys.

Sachiko
6th January 2007, 4:37 AM
For this post, it's only the character guide. No responses to anyone yet.

Everybody, brace yourself!! Here it comes...

~~~~The big, big, big, happy world of Mitashi~~~~

********THE BIG, FAT, UGLY, HAIRY CHARACTER GUIDE OF DOOM, DEATH, AND DESTRUCTION********

Before Notes (is that a term or did I just make it up????):

1. Remember that the second season doesn't start until Kinari's first day of seventh grade. She actually arrives at the school the Saturday before, and school starts Monday. (coming to SPPF, maybe, is a short story I wrote for school that takes place that Saturday evening!! Yay!! <3)
2. I already made a character guide for the sitcom-like story, but I have the Amare and Einaka's friends listed under the 4th season, because Einaka and Amare have this reunion with their friends in Philadelphia during that time.
3. This will be LONG. You have been warned.... You don't have to read every word.
4. IMPORTANT: They actually meet a lot more people than this. These are just the people I've already come up with. The characters travel around and meet different people for short periods of time, like in One Piece.
5. Also remember that ELP=Earth-like planet.
6. It's weird, and confusing. Those two things.
7. The 8 main characters will appear in a later post. (You: WHAT THE HECK?!!!! *beats Sachi up*)

~The Characters Of Mitashi~ (in order of appearance):

1st Season:
Kinari Utako
Jack: He's this kid that's a year younger than Kinari. He lives on Kobayang Island. He has a crush on Kinari. He wants to protect her when she's in danger, but he gets himself in danger, too.
Anne Gormani
Michael Milan
Sofia Nomila: Brittany's best friend, at first. She's mean-spirited, vicious, and cruel, even more than Brittany. She really puts no value in serious romantic relationships, yet is boy-crazy. Ugh. Her middle name in Ignasia.
Brittany Tanemasu

2nd Season:
Raichi Komezoke: Anne's 7th grade roomate and friend.... until much later. She is Japanese, and annoyingly bright and energetic, compared to the calm Anne. She is very, very, very good at gymnastics, and often sort of shoves it in other people's faces. She can act prideful sometimes. And jealous... When she introduces Anne to gymnastics, Anne isn't too good, and Raichi's just like, "Oh well!! It's really hard." and then shows Anne all these complicated moves. So Anne decides to go back to ice skating, what she used to do, and actually gets really good at that, so Raichi takes up ice skating too, and also has skills because of her gymnastics experience. She and Anne enter the same youth ice skating competition in the 4th season (it is in Italy.), and by now, they are not friends anymore (Anne "dumps her" in the 8th grade.), and Raichi tries to cheat, and also mess up Anne somehow. She even dumped "that fool Arin", her BF, because... her (not for long, after this incident!!) friend Mesunai got injured badly at one point in 8th grade, and she had to be in a wheelchair. Raichi was to embarrassed to be seen with her, and Arin complained about her attitude.
Jody: Part of Brittany/Sofia's little group. She listens to Brittany/Sofia because they are the leader of the group, but sometimes she just likes to fo her own thing. An example of this is when she dances with Michael at the Fall Dance in 7th grade.
Tara: She's also part of the group. She gets mad easily and is unnecessarily rude.
Arin: Raichi's boyfriend for a long time, but sometime after Kinari and her friends left during 8th grade, he gets dumped, and almost immediately starts dating Mesunai. He almost never talks, but he's really nice.
Mesunai: A sweet and innocent girl who is Raichi's best friend. (She's Japanese.)
Nayzie Nomila: Sofia's elementary-school-aged sister. She's smart and mischevious. Her middle name is Sofia.
Huey Brodervich
Dylan: Michael's 7th grade roomate and friend.
Alben: He's really kind, even sort of a pushover. He was the person Sofia was cheating on Huey with.
Hanilla: Mesunai's friend.
(2.5)
Amare Johannsen
Einaka Soyona
Sina Komezoke: Raichi's older sister, who also loves to skate. She wants to be in the same skating competition that Anne and Raichi want to be in, but she doesn't know Anne until they get into the competition. She is two years older than Raichi, and she is nicer and more mature than she is.
Eric: An 11th grader who is good at math, and therefore tutors Einaka...in math.
Quesna: She's in the 11th grade, and she has been Eric's girlfriend for a year. She's a very kind and caring person, and she and her BF are really down-to-earth and relaxed kind of people. Not quite hippies, but getting there.

3rd Season:
Dr. Finone Nagagski: A, short, probably mad old scientist. His scientific work has made him rich, but he is now hatching some kind of evil plot. And he is a member of Alarm.
Krisjanza Nagagski: She's evil, too. She is in her early 30s but married Finone for his money!
Yori: She acts pretty serious as a ghost, but when she's a human, she is eccentric and crazy. But she's also smart and bossy, because she is the leader of Kinari and co. when they are trying to stop Siren. In her human form, she is 19.

4th Season: (People they meet around the world!!)
Nathan and Natalia Van Auden: I don't have much on them, but I do know that they are 16-year-old twins who are serious snobs. So annoying.
Ian Todorinni: He's 16 1/2, but he's already a profesional figure skater who has won several competitions. Hailing from Italy, he puts a lot of effort into his skating, and acts very mature and professional around adults, and mostly keeps to himself. But he's not rude or anything. He's actually pretty nice. And a heartthrob to girls everywhere, including Anne, his #1 fan, who (along with Amare and Brittany) meets him in the fourth season. A relationship?? Uh, no.They are only friends that have a lot of, well, hints.
Riko Simon: Out of her and Bell, she is sort of like the leader... she is only 7, but thanks to her mom's wonderful role model- ship, she acts rude and nasty when Kinari, Huey, Michael, and Einaka wisit the Simon household because they think they have one of the Globes.
Bell Simon: She is scary, just like Riko. She is triplets with Riko and Mikiko.
Peggy Simon: The mother of the triplets. She's a slob who smokes a lot and often goes out to drink or party. She's rude and obnoxious. She dates a lot of men and has commitment issues. She has set a terrible example for her girls.
Mikiko Simon: She is gloomy and not very talkative. She decided not to follow her mother's example, fortunately. But unfortunately, her mom and sisters pick on her and push her around. Riko and Bell even pretend she isn't even there, and call themselves ths Simon "twins". I think I'm going to make her know about the magic of the Globes, and she does some traveling with team A.* She dislikes Huey because he is cheerful unlike her. (FYI, the Simons live in America.)
Bernadette Kyle: Amare's close friend, that she met around 5th grade. She is pretty serious. She may not get the best grades, but is talented and dreams of being an actress, dancer, or singer. With Amare, she is usually the voice of reason.
Denmark Copenhagen: She is bold and athletic. She hates being girly. She has a positive, energetic personality. She loves soccer and she and her friend Sergio became friends with Amare and Bernadette in the 6th grade.
Sergio Sesto: He is also very upbeat and humerous. He and Denmark are good friends, but they bicker sometimes.
Sashi Lynn: She hangs out with Amare's group sometimes. She cares a lot about her clothes and hair, so much that it's annoying. But she's still a pal.
Lucas: He is the same age as Amare and goes to her Philadelphia school. He's serious and only has a few close friends. He loves basketball, and he is studious, too. He is well-liked by parents and teachers... and Amare, who had a big crush on him. But, he moved to Virginia before seventh grade was up... oh well.
Ekaiden Soyona: He's 17 and super-smart and mature. Not too social, but still a cool person in general. He is really focused on academics and school, and is also very, very talented in piano. He never misbehaves. He is like the perfect son, which gets on Einaka's nerves, so she in turn gets on her brother's nerves and they bicker a lot. He's Amare's second crush, which was much bigger than the first. He's one of those people who is very far from being dense, and when he meets Amare, he almost immediately figures out that Amare likes him, and he's known for a long time, and he tells Amare that at the reunion, a short time after a small conversation starts between them. Amare is shocked. It is really funny to watch.
Noelani: The nice, sweet girl the gang meets when they travel to Hawaii. Or is she?? Turns out... she is evil, a bad guy.
Tainma Colaire

5th Season:
Enen: He lives in the imaginary world Arabialand, and for some reason, the gang has to go there to fight some evil or something. I dunno. Anyway, Enen and his grandfather are their guides in Arabialand. He's nice, and he has a little yellow bird named Nene (and I might make him have a parrot, just because parrots are cool!!), and even a magic carpet!! But soon, he reveals that he's actually... Siren's younger brother??!! (He's 16.) He tries to kill Einaka because he got orders from Siren. And also, he, unlike every other person in the imaginary worlds, is real (he disguises himself as imaginary), and can go out into the real universe/dimension/whatever, and it turns out that his skin color is really lighter (than it was when they met him in Arabialand.).** His real personality is bolder and more agressive.
Adenine: Obviously, one of the Nitrogen Base Sisters. She is very agressive and loves close-combat fighting, but is actually pretty happy most of the time. She, unlike the other Sisters, has a jetpack. She used to have bug wings, but her hotheaded, agressive personality made her decide that that was too slow, not enough power. (All the Sisters have wings that they can grow at will!! Siren programmed their DNA that way.) She argues with Guanine and wants to be the leader of the group. But she doesn't hate her or anything. She's easygoing. When she's not fighting. Red is her favorite color. (Ooh, mine too.)
Guanine: She never, ever smiles. She is bossy and orders the group around. She is serious and is very loyal to Siren. She is also strong. She is lke a miniature Siren, who is more serious. She dresses mainly in dark blue, purple, or black, and has bat wings. I think I'll make her attacks based on ancient history themes (from Earth...??!).
Thymine: She is sort of bratty and not too cheerful... that is, unless she's showing off her long, white angel wings. Think of Raichi, but more vicious, evil, and violent. She can do a combo attack with Adenine.
Cytosine: She is always happy!! She acts all cutesy and stuff, and makes every attack on the enemy a performance. "It's time for Cyto's magic show!!<3" She and Guanine have a combo attack that is stronger than the other one because Guan is the strongest. She's got butterfly wings.
Siren: The queen of the ELP. She loves spring (the season I dislike***) and calls herself "Lady Spring". She is a control freak, and is extremely smart, especially in science. No one would dare disobey her, even though she speaks calmly, makes jokes, and does not shout. But she likes to inflict pain and terror on others (why?? ...Because she's the bad guy!!!), especially any prisoners taken from earth, and except her prized posessions, her most treasured creations, the Nitrogen Base Sisters, who she treats like princesses. One more thing... er, um, she's kind of... sex-obsessed, too. Just
saying. ... uhh.... My goal with Siren is to create a character that I don't like. Which is really hard. But I am just thinking, "What would Temari act like?", and it gets me through. <3
Heron: Siren's...er...boyfriend?? He's around Siren's age, and is very strong, physically. And popular with the people of the ELP, because he's maybe the future king!! He's nice, too, and cheerful, and doesn't like to fight much. It's a shame he's on the bad side. ... He has one major flaw, though... His IQ is lower than your shoe size.


...And that's the character guide!!! Remember, coming up, I'll post:
Info about Mitashi shippings
Yori's life
Beginners' Fortune
The 8 main characters
and I'll review everyone again!!! I will. I WILL DO IT, I SWEAR!!!

These things may take a while to do, and I am really, really sorry. I'm really busy right now. I just noticed, I use the word "really" too much.




*Before most of the trip around the world, Yori, the ghost, splits everybody into two groups, Team A and Team B. To speed things up, Huey declares that it is a competition: whoever gets the most Globes out out of the 12 wins, even though it is not a fair matchup... '__'U
Team A:
Michael
Huey
Kinari
Einaka
Team B:
Brittany
Amare
Anne
(Remember, they meet Tainma near the end of the season. At that time, the group is back together again because they've found almost all the Globes, but Yori tells them that she has discovered that there is a girl somewhere that can have magical powers to fight evil, just like Kinari and her friends. Yori has a clue to where she is, but is not sure. They re-join to find this girl. They at first think it's Noelani!!)

**His so-called grandpa is imaginary, though! It's confusing.

***Hah! In every other story (like the Lion, Witch, and Wardrobe), it's always winter that is evil and spring is the beautiful lovely thing that saves everything. Well, guess what?! In Mitashi, things are finally done right when spring is terrible and Kinari's ice powers save the day!!!! Winter's my favorite favorite season. I wish people would stop insulting it!!!

Akaba
6th January 2007, 5:05 AM
No.

That's all I must say.

BattleFranky~40
6th January 2007, 5:43 AM
Sachiko, you are trying to create too big of a picture.

You're doomed to fail.

Akaba
6th January 2007, 5:53 AM
If he went in with that crap into ANY, yes - ANY manga company, they wouldn't even listen. They would probably laugh themselves to death.

That Scary Clefairy
6th January 2007, 7:19 AM
not only that but she showing everything to us. Someone might "steal" her idea. Then again who would even do THAT?

Thing is your going too much into it. You type all of this yet no drawings even shown to show you will do a manga, comic, whatever. Seem to me it's more of a fanfiction as BF~40 said: 99.5% of em suck.

It's good that you have your series planned. but I wouldn't show ALL of that to pub company, others, etc. it turns people off. They wants surprises.
You seem to be giving them a guide book of everything happen which make people not read it anyway since you....showed em them.

As for me I know my series is long, I am making **** loads of characters(it's a universe setting), i'm planning it out too. but I won't go into crazy detail to others or else no one would like it. Granted I will show you guys just the White guardian memebers of the series(they are a big cast to begin with but bare with me), but that's it and maybe a small brief explaination what the story might be. No more or else it would suck.

Akaba
6th January 2007, 7:25 AM
All you need:

One paragraph plot typed

Three page of your story

5-6 page pages of manga.

4-5 character shots. You know face shots, turnaround shots, ect.

And maybe one pin-up of your manga.

And then bring in a good story and look pro.

That Scary Clefairy
6th January 2007, 8:07 AM
Akaba, what were your opinion on the White guardian memebrs I have so far?
Granted it's a big group but i wanted it that way.

Akaba
6th January 2007, 8:09 AM
Akaba, what were your opinion on the White guardian memebrs I have so far?
Granted it's a big group but i wanted it that way.

I didn't know. I looked at your characters, but could you pm me some. I THINK I saw them, but I don't know.

My artist, I think has been gone for two days - but I HOPE he is still working on the cover. Gah, Clefairy, you should AIM me, we can talk about our manga.

Just AIM me, don't really care who knows - Sage0000x

BattleFranky~40
6th January 2007, 8:27 AM
Clefairy, can you PM me info about these White Guardian members as well?

Akaba
6th January 2007, 8:36 AM
Clefairy, can you PM me info about these White Guardian members as well?

Bleh, I think you've seen my guy's rough sketches, right B-Franky? The guy's really good in the sense it looks like it's FMA - but it can come off kinda generic from what Clefairy said.

But I'll see when he inks, colors and finishes it.

That Scary Clefairy
6th January 2007, 8:56 AM
Clefairy, can you PM me info about these White Guardian members as well?

well i'm going to post em up here so please hold on a bit let me finish draw em all and then i' post em up

ImmortalKaine
6th January 2007, 8:57 AM
Um....I don't think anyone has noticed this but this topic is called "Your OWN mango V.2"

This is not about mangos, but it is about mangas......

Gimme my friggin mango. NOW!

MugenKeiji
6th January 2007, 9:02 AM
If he went in with that crap into ANY, yes - ANY manga company, they wouldn't even listen. They would probably laugh themselves to death.

Ummm...Sachiko is a GIRL'S name.

Don't pre-plan EVERYTHING. You gotta have SOMETHINGS in the story to mess around with. Start off with a small amount of characters to develop first. In fact, I'd probably encourage making a few cuts here and there before jumping in headfirst for the project.

After all, a baby takes small steps for a reason, it never knows when it'll fall but it knows how to pick itself up.

Plus you don't want any uncreative shmuck to steal your ideas now, would you?

Akaba's pretty much laid out a structure to conceptualize the ideas.

ImmortalKaine
6th January 2007, 9:15 AM
This topic is called your own mango and I don't have a mango. Gimme one so I can go to sleep :P

Clockworkz
6th January 2007, 9:24 AM
Shut up about the mango, god dammit.

Akaba, I wouldn't mind getting in touch with you over AIM to discuss home-brew graphic novels (yes, they are graphic novels. Did you grow up in Japan? Are you a licenced manga-ka? No. Stop calling it lol manga, people). I got a few ideas brewing up, and you seem to have a good head on your shoulders.

Akaba
6th January 2007, 9:28 AM
Shut up about the mango, god dammit.

Akaba, I wouldn't mind getting in touch with you over AIM to discuss home-brew graphic novels (yes, they are graphic novels. Did you grow up in Japan? Are you a licenced manga-ka? No. Stop calling it lol manga, people). I got a few ideas brewing up, and you seem to have a good head on your shoulders.

My artist talks to TokyoPop a lot on the phone...so yeah, he's close to be a licensed.

Heh.

Any time, I'm talking to Clefairy now about his.

BattleFranky~40
6th January 2007, 7:47 PM
Shut up about the mango, god dammit.

Akaba, I wouldn't mind getting in touch with you over AIM to discuss home-brew graphic novels (yes, they are graphic novels. Did you grow up in Japan? Are you a licenced manga-ka? No. Stop calling it lol manga, people). I got a few ideas brewing up, and you seem to have a good head on your shoulders.

Wrong.

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1948/frankygv3.png

See? I am a licensed manga-ka.

Sachiko
8th January 2007, 1:27 AM
No.

That's all I must say.

I told you it was weird... You had fair warning... life in Mitashi isn't a piece of cake... If the characters were normal, Mitashi would be boring. So... yeah.

Oh, and the 8 main characters are perfectly normal... compared to these people.


Sachiko, you are trying to create too big of a picture.

You're doomed to fail.

I've thought of that already. I thought about it- Mitashi is like 3 different manga, but with the same characters. That's why it's only one manga, and such a long one. Otherwise, I would have made three separate manga (one for seasons 1-2, one for 3, one for 4-5.) Would you have liked that better?? I don't know, but I wouldn't have. After the first manga, I would have been attached to Kinari and the friends she's made at school. All I did was transition into a "spy mission" manga, with the same characters. (season 3) And no, I hope to not make the transitions too fast.

If he went in with that crap into ANY, yes - ANY manga company, they wouldn't even listen. They would probably laugh themselves to death.

He? Is that a typo??
Anyway, how come just because the characters are weird doesn't mean it's "crap".


not only that but she showing everything to us. Someone might "steal" her idea. Then again who would even do

THAT?

Isn't everyone else doing that??
Besides, I didn't show drawings. I had trouble with setting all that up. But, I don't even feel like doing it anymore.

Why? You are already judging the manga when you haven't seen the main characters yet. At least wait until you see them. I mean the weirdest characters, you only see for a couple of episodes. (except for the bad guys)


Thing is your going too much into it. You type all of this yet no drawings even shown to show you will do a manga, comic, whatever. Seem to me it's more of a fanfiction as BF~40 said: 99.5% of em suck.

No, you're wrong. I draw A LOT. I mean A LOT. I just hadn't got around to showing you yet. And now, I am not even going to show my drawings anymore.

By the way, when I say drawings, I mean random Mitashi pictures... I can't actually draw the manga. I'm in the 10th grade, for those of you that are apparently too lazy to look at my profile. This is what I want to do when I GROW UP!!! (If not Mitashi, then some other manga.)


It's good that you have your series planned. but I wouldn't show ALL of that to pub company, others, etc. it turns people off. They wants surprises.

Well, okay.
But waiting till I actually can do it (during college????? I have no idea.) is killing me. So I go on and on about it to other people. Because I can't draw it or get it published now!! Hey, at least Christopher Paolini finished high school before he did Eragon (if I am correct). High school leaves you with no time for anything...

Got your point, though.


You seem to be giving them a guide book of everything happen which make people not read it anyway since you....showed em them.

I know there are some spoilers, but you must have forgotten that I already told people that... in one of my first posts in the original Your Own Manga thread. (In one of the posts in this thread, I put in links to every post about Mitashi that were in the original, so you have to go back to that.)


As for me I know my series is long, I am making **** loads of characters(it's a universe setting), i'm planning it out too. but I won't go into crazy detail to others or else no one would like it. Granted I will show you guys just the White guardian memebers of the series(they are a big cast to begin with but bare with me), but that's it and maybe a small brief explaination what the story might be. No more or else it would suck.

All you need:

One paragraph plot typed

Three page of your story

5-6 page pages of manga.

4-5 character shots. You know face shots, turnaround shots, ect.

And maybe one pin-up of your manga.

And then bring in a good story and look pro.

So my manga "sucks" because I went into too much detail????
And also, I haven't even gone into too much detail on the stories. Just the characters. I don't plan to go into too much on the stories (except for those romance ones.).
Akaba, are you saying that that is what I should show a publisher? Or the people on this thread?? 'Cause I don't plan to shw all this to a publisher.
One more thing- This stuff isn't set in stone. It can change greatly. You have no idea how many changes Mitashi went through before it got to this point. There were tons of huge changes. So what I'm saying is, maybe some of these strange characters that you all don't like will change, too. (even they have already been through changes.)


Ummm...Sachiko is a GIRL'S name.

Don't pre-plan EVERYTHING. You gotta have SOMETHINGS in the story to mess around with. Start off with a small amount of characters to develop first. In fact, I'd probably encourage making a few cuts here and there before jumping in headfirst for the project.

After all, a baby takes small steps for a reason, it never knows when it'll fall but it knows how to pick itself up.

Plus you don't want any uncreative shmuck to steal your ideas now, would you?

Akaba's pretty much laid out a structure to conceptualize the ideas.

You're totally right. I hope you read the stuff I wrote above this quote, about changes...
Oh, and thank you for that strucure, Akaba. I'll take note.


Um....I don't think anyone has noticed this but this topic is called "Your OWN mango V.2"

This is not about mangos, but it is about mangas......

Gimme my friggin mango. NOW!


This topic is called your own mango and I don't have a mango. Gimme one so I can go to sleep :P

HERE!!!! *gives ImmortalKaine a mango* Now stop spamming!!! ...Please.


(yes, they are graphic novels. Did you grow up in Japan? Are you a licenced manga-ka? No. Stop calling it lol manga, people).

"Graphic Novels" is so boring. We like using "manga". It makes us feel happy inside and brightens up our day.



*abruptly changes subject* Read Beginner's Fortune!! (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?p=5255248#post5255248)Yes, you're reading it before you meet the main characters and after you met the other ones. I want it that way. You want to read Mitashi?? Well, this is the best you're gonna get for now. Please read it if you have time. TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK!!! (In this thread or that one.)

'Kaybyenow.

BattleFranky~40
8th January 2007, 1:32 AM
Oh wow, it's 3 manga. You're still trying to create too much.


To put it frankly, it sucks and will never get you anywhere.

-Sonansu!-
8th January 2007, 12:34 PM
You decide which one you would be...

I like the Rip-Off Manga.

Um....I don't get it. :P

That Scary Clefairy
8th January 2007, 2:24 PM
Oh wow, it's 3 manga. You're still trying to create too much.


To put it frankly, it sucks and will never get you anywhere.

I secondly agree. that it'll get no where. If she makes it into SVA as an illustrator/cartooning major....then i'll reconsider.

HK
9th January 2007, 1:11 AM
Forgive me, -Sonansu!-, since I'm lazy right now. I'll comment on your postings and whatnot in a later... uh, post.


There's this one story about reincarnation. The beginning takes place in this timeless world that's based on an ancient civilization. There are two girls in the story and they're best friends. But one day one of the girls moves away but gives the other girl a beautiful crystal orb to remember her by. The other girl never sees her again.
Centuries later, after both girls are dead, they are reborn, but in different parts of the world. One girl is born in a poor African village that is constantly threatened by one of the notorious rabid tribes that do crazy things like chop peoples' hands off. The other girl is born in America, in the stereotypical American family (mc-mansion, SUV, father with beer-belly, slightly overweight siblings and tons of fast-food and microwave meals).
One day from the sky, that same crystal ball flies out of nowhere (time maybe?) and the girl finds it.

Hm, nice premise. For some reason I'm reminded of Osamu Tezuka's Phoenix, though (The concept of reincarnation used here, maybe?).

Run with it, I'd say.


I told you it was weird... You had fair warning... life in Mitashi isn't a piece of cake... If the characters were normal, Mitashi would be boring. So... yeah.

That's fine and dandy and all... but by the design and quantity of your cast, and apparent lack of grasp to be fully aware of what you're trying to accomplish, the characters are more likely going to be badly developed and portrayed.


I've thought of that already. I thought about it- Mitashi is like 3 different manga, but with the same characters. That's why it's only one manga, and such a long one. Otherwise, I would have made three separate manga (one for seasons 1-2, one for 3, one for 4-5.) Would you have liked that better?? I don't know, but I wouldn't have. After the first manga, I would have been attached to Kinari and the friends she's made at school. All I did was transition into a "spy mission" manga, with the same characters. (season 3) And no, I hope to not make the transitions too fast.

See, here's another major problem: you're being far too ambitious. Calm down. Think about how much work would have to go into this "project" of yours, what it would restrict you from doing, let alone what the process would present you in the form of difficulties such as deadlines.


By the way, when I say drawings, I mean random Mitashi pictures... I can't actually draw the manga. I'm in the 10th grade, for those of you that are apparently too lazy to look at my profile. This is what I want to do when I GROW UP!!! (If not Mitashi, then some other manga.)

If you are going to put off learning the tricks of the trade now, then you should just forego this whole blasted thing. If you're not experimenting around with the medium, then you're in trouble.


But waiting till I actually can do it (during college????? I have no idea.) is killing me. So I go on and on about it to other people. Because I can't draw it or get it published now!! Hey, at least Christopher Paolini finished high school before he did Eragon (if I am correct). High school leaves you with no time for anything...

You spend time typing up all of this and post it on the forum, so I would assume that you have something called "free time," right? So how about you PRACTICE DRAWING SOME COMICS.


"Graphic Novels" is so boring. We like using "manga". It makes us feel happy inside and brightens up our day.

Ugh, they're comics. Drop the Japanophile bit by claiming that you're doing a manga.

two
9th January 2007, 1:15 AM
I haev never Written on a Mango Before Is it fun?

I have written MANGAS Before but never Mango's

BattleFranky~40
9th January 2007, 1:19 AM
I haev never Written on a Mango Before Is it fun?

I have written MANGAS Before but never Mango's

Guess what? You're not funny.

TeddiUrsa
9th January 2007, 9:47 AM
Meh, I´ve got a little universe with a huge set of characters ( most of them are supporters or comic relief anyway) in a little comic-series I created when I was 13 ( wow , almost 10 years...^^; ).
The art-style changed drasticly over the years, as does the storytelling.


My heart is in this "series" and I´m afraid of posting anything of it online, should be hard enough to understand most jokes if you aren´t german anyway.

The problem is...I don´t know how to start the story and introduching the characters, there are so many of them...

I think a good start is the hardest part, isn´t it?


EDIT:

Oh, I created a little hentai-manga when I was 16 or so, but threw it away ...it looked totally messed up anyway..^^;

That Scary Clefairy
9th January 2007, 12:43 PM
well looking at your drawings, they seems to be neat lookinging. Some need for improvements here and there but overall seems to get the right start.

Avegaille
9th January 2007, 1:32 PM
Lol, Mango = Manga. Literally. I'm dead serious damnit. In a sense if you know the Filipino language, these two words mean the same. Of course, it's not the actual Manga (in Japanese terms).

No, never heard of using mango as in terms of comics, but as a fruit, yes.

That Scary Clefairy
9th January 2007, 2:36 PM
can you all stop with the damn mango/manga joke. It's getting annoying.

TeddiUrsa
9th January 2007, 5:43 PM
well looking at your drawings, they seems to be neat lookinging. Some need for improvements here and there but overall seems to get the right start.

Thank you very much ^^

But I´m way too self-critical to be satisfied with a certain drawing.
You need a talent for settings and when you do a manga/comic and I doubt I´m good enough too commit the pictures in my head to paper yet.

Backgrounds are another thing...maybe I should go the "Gantz" way and use photos...

-Sonansu!-
9th January 2007, 11:02 PM
I can't actually draw the manga. I'm in the 10th grade, for those of you that are apparently too lazy to look at my profile. This is what I want to do when I GROW UP!!! (If not Mitashi, then some other manga.)

Who says you can't draw the manga?

I've been doing comics/manga since 3 years old (so I have damn near 16 years of experience doing it). And I'm a senior in high school now and still do it. Even got accepted into a good art school because of how long I've been doing it/how well I do it.

By waiting a long time to even start drawing manga, you've kinda made it harder to make yourself really good at it. What I mean by that is, you've kinda made the situation a more adverse one by deciding you're gonna wait until you're grown up to do it.

I mean, what if you decide when you get into the field that you don't wanna do it? What then?


But waiting till I actually can do it (during college????? I have no idea.) is killing me. So I go on and on about it to other people. Because I can't draw it or get it published now!! Hey, at least Christopher Paolini finished high school before he did Eragon (if I am correct). High school leaves you with no time for anything...

Oh yes you can draw it. Just draw it. Nothing's stopping you. Lack of time isn't really a valid reason. My school day is 6 hours, followed by a 2-hour bus ride, followed by 1-3 hours of homework, and I can still write and draw.

And it used to be at my old high school that the school day was 8 hours, with a 2-hour bus ride, and nearly 3 hours of homework a day (I'm talking every day), and I still found time to do what I love most.

As for planning, do some little rough panels or something when you have a few minutes of free time. They don't have to be really detailed, that's why they're just rough panels. Then you can really decide how you wanna set your whole story up.

I had some more stuff but I forgot it so I'll leave it at this.

That Scary Clefairy
10th January 2007, 1:48 AM
Sonansu, if you are going to SVA school of visual art next year, let me know. I'll like to meet you.

-Sonansu!-
10th January 2007, 10:04 PM
That's not where I'm going, unfortunately. =(

I think the only member I have even a chance of meeting is HellKorn since he lives in my damn city. :P

Now, for some reason, I'm kicking around another idea. This one will probably be a one-shot though. More details when I've ironed some of it out.

xrdragonx
12th January 2007, 4:07 AM
not a manga yet but main characters are drawn and basic ideas are being developed. so heres the plot so far:

Sakura Blade

the setting is modern day japan. during the season of spring when the cherry blossoms are blooming, 10 chosen people who are sitting under the "magic" cherry blossom trees are given a tatoo on the back of their right hand. This tatoo will be of a cherry blossom [sakura] and it will have a certain number of leaves from 1 - 10. These chosen individuals are chosen to defeat a evil that lives underground, within the earth. Every 1000 years it comes alive to try to destroy mankind but the 10 chosen warriors are to defeat it. And every 1000 years since the beginning of time it has gone that way. Now it is the new generation and it's their turn to beat the evil. The tatoos allow them to summon special weapons called "sakura blades" only sakura blades are able to harm the great evil. Your tattoo determines the power of your weapon. The number of leaves your cherry blossom tattoo has corresponds to the number of blades your weapon has. However, there are select few in the 10 warriors who would prefer to use their powers to conquer the world themselves. These traitors are part of a group called the "rejected blades." the other members dont even know there are others like them with powers like theirs...



Wat do you think feedback plz =]

ps. ill post pics of the characters as soon as someone tells me how to XP

Akaba
12th January 2007, 4:43 AM
not a manga yet but main characters are drawn and basic ideas are being developed. so heres the plot so far:

Sakura Blade

the setting is modern day japan. during the season of spring when the cherry blossoms are blooming, 10 chosen people who are sitting under the "magic" cherry blossom trees are given a tatoo on the back of their right hand. This tatoo will be of a cherry blossom [sakura] and it will have a certain number of leaves from 1 - 10. These chosen individuals are chosen to defeat a evil that lives underground, within the earth. Every 1000 years it comes alive to try to destroy mankind but the 10 chosen warriors are to defeat it. And every 1000 years since the beginning of time it has gone that way. Now it is the new generation and it's their turn to beat the evil. The tatoos allow them to summon special weapons called "sakura blades" only sakura blades are able to harm the great evil. Your tattoo determines the power of your weapon. The number of leaves your cherry blossom tattoo has corresponds to the number of blades your weapon has. However, there are select few in the 10 warriors who would prefer to use their powers to conquer the world themselves. These traitors are part of a group called the "rejected blades." the other members dont even know there are others like them with powers like theirs...



Wat do you think feedback plz =]

ps. ill post pics of the characters as soon as someone tells me how to XP

For some reason this makes me think of...

MOOOOOOORTAAAAAAAALLLLLLL KOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMBBBBBAAAAAAAT!

xrdragonx
12th January 2007, 5:26 AM
mortal kombat? 0.0 uhh well i dont see how my plot for my manga relates to mortal kombat but owell =]

Akaba
12th January 2007, 5:43 AM
The thing with monsters and every 1000 years these guys from Earth have to fight.

MORTTTTTTTTTALLLLLLLLLL KOMABT-OOOOOOOOOOOOO~!

xrdragonx
12th January 2007, 6:02 AM
ic where ur coming from but there isnt any monsters in my manga, even the "evil" is a human. He just found a way become immortal which i will not spoil =]

xrdragonx
12th January 2007, 6:04 AM
then again, i am only 14 =.= and can somebody PLEASE tell me how to post pics on the forum so i can show my characters?

Korobooshi Kojiro
12th January 2007, 11:35 AM
put (img139)*insert link of pic*(/img139)

But replace () with []

xrdragonx
12th January 2007, 4:40 PM
C:\Documents and Settings\Guest\My Documents\My Scans\2007-01 (Jan)

FlareonJupiter
12th January 2007, 6:46 PM
For anyone interested in making professional-looking manga, here's a Plug-in filter I found:

http://www.geocities.com/murakuma/mmplugins.html

MuRa's Meister Tone 1.0 can turn any color or pattern in Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro into a digital screentone. I use it in my work (along with Computones and other sources), and it works beautifully.

Just a few hints:

- The Magic Wand Tool is your friend...

- Create the tones on separate layers -- especially for shading

- When overlapping tones, make sure the LPI (lines per inch) are the same. Otherwise, you'll end up with an ugly Moire pattern -- not good!

- For dot tones, set to the angle 0 degrees. For pattern tones, set the angle to 45 degrees.

- Play around with the the LPI and Density of the tone until you get the shade you want. Once you've done that, write down the LPI/Density in a notebook (especially for main/recurring characters!)

Also, I just got a great book that has some useful ideas for creating manga on the computer (if anyone is doing it that way):

http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Manga-Techniques-Quality-Computer/dp/0764130919

Hope this helps! ^_~

BattleFranky~40
12th January 2007, 7:16 PM
then again, i am only 14 =.=
That's an excuse for not being able to think of something original?

MugenKeiji
12th January 2007, 9:18 PM
That's an excuse for not being able to think of something original?

I'd probably say so. I "stepped out" about the time I was graduating High School. I mean I was mostly interested in fanfics before then...mostly.

Clockworkz
12th January 2007, 11:55 PM
Franky, as much as I appreciate jerkoffs like you (hell; I am one, don't take that as in insult or flame), you gotta stop judging people and expecting perfection.
This is a message board. Filled with little kids who scream to their mommies and daddies about Pokemans. Christ; get off your high horse, and deal with it. Either give something constructive, or don't post at all.
You are basically the reason as to why I'm not sharing my ideas; I don't want a drama fest from a self-proclaimed manga storyline expert, such as yourself, Captain Buzzkill.

BattleFranky~40
12th January 2007, 11:57 PM
Franky, as much as I appreciate jerkoffs like you (hell; I am one, don't take that as in insult or flame), you gotta stop judging people and expecting perfection.
This is a message board. Filled with little kids who scream to their mommies and daddies about Pokemans. Christ; get off your high horse, and deal with it. Either give something constructive, or don't post at all.
You are basically the reason as to why I'm not sharing my ideas; I don't want a drama fest from a self-proclaimed manga storyline expert, such as yourself, Captain Buzzkill.

When did I say I was expecting perfection? Oh, and your own post is soooooooo constructive.

Also, you're not giving your ideas because people try to help you? Great reason there, genius.

That Scary Clefairy
13th January 2007, 12:03 AM
point he is making is that you can STILL help give criticism for improvement in a more lighter manner. MugenKeiji and sometimes Hellkorn is best known, imo, for giving the right kinda of criticism for people. not too harsh and not too light.

Clockworkz
13th January 2007, 12:04 AM
Your definition of help is, apparently, to shoot down people who try posting their ideas, then you go off on a tangent about how no one's original, and just because they're "14 years old" is "no excuse" for unoriginality. I take your horseshit attidute and meaningless "help" with a grain of salt, at best.
I admit; I'm a dick, tried and true. But dammit, at least I have limits.
EDIT: Clefairy ninjaposted me o_o

BattleFranky~40
13th January 2007, 12:06 AM
Your definition of help is, apparently, to shoot down people who try posting their ideas, then you go off on a tangent about how no one's original, and just because they're "14 years old" is "no excuse" for unoriginality. I take your horseshit attidute and meaningless "help" with a grain of salt, at best.
I admit; I'm a dick, tried and true. But dammit, at least I have limits.

I tell them what's wrong, so they won't do it in the future.

And are you saying being young is in fact an excuse for unoriginality?

Sorry that I tell people what they need to know. Sometimes it can be harsh. Deal with it, and quit whining.

-Sonansu!-
13th January 2007, 12:11 AM
Yeah, but the problem is that you're expecting complete originality out of something where almost everything practical has been done. Sure there are plenty of original ideas left but not a lot of them would click (believe me, I know this from experience).

It should be all about execution, and not necessarily originality. Like, say, I dunno, manga like Berserk which aren't really original (c'mon, if you think that manga's original, then I don't know what to tell you), yet have enough really great qualities to make it a true classic.

That said, why the hell hasn't anyone commented on my characters/ideas yet? Is it custom to just pick on the 14/15-year-old kids or something? :P

Lalonde
13th January 2007, 12:51 AM
I'm actually working on a manga currently. The title is Efii(ee-fai), it takes place in an virtual reality mmorpg called mytironline, the main characters name is Efii, also called Nii-chan, as she says nii after all her sentances, she has cat ears and tail. When the characters persona body is under major damage then they resort to their fursona body untill there persona body heals, or they log out. Efii meets up with Tataba-san, also know as Birdii-chan, Her ears are like bird wings, and her fursona is a raven. Tataba in trying to find a key to three hidden areas only administrators can get to with the exeption of the key holder. All of the game data is said to be held in these three areas. Efii goes along with Tataba-san and meat up with Tsukoi-chan. She is a persona with wolf ears and tail whos fursona is a wolf. Tsukoi doesn't join up with Efii and Tataba-san, but She helps them alot. Efii logs out one day after a long playthrough, and everything seems normal, but everything in her life is now like it was in the mmorpg.

this is all of the ideas i have for it right now ._.

BattleFranky~40
13th January 2007, 12:55 AM
Yeah, but the problem is that you're expecting complete originality out of something where almost everything practical has been done. Sure there are plenty of original ideas left but not a lot of them would click (believe me, I know this from experience).

It should be all about execution, and not necessarily originality. Like, say, I dunno, manga like Berserk which aren't really original (c'mon, if you think that manga's original, then I don't know what to tell you), yet have enough really great qualities to make it a true classic.

That said, why the hell hasn't anyone commented on my characters/ideas yet? Is it custom to just pick on the 14/15-year-old kids or something? :P
I'm not expecting complete originality. I'm expecting people to not blatantly rip off other people's works.

-Sonansu!-
13th January 2007, 1:01 AM
I'm not expecting complete originality. I'm expecting people to not blatantly rip off other people's works.

If you're talking about people who say "this is an original idea" and present their idea only to have stuff in it completely ripped off from something else (which I think after re-reading your post this is what you meant), then I completely agree with that opinion.