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Obsidian
19th October 2006, 12:21 AM
A thought occurred to me just recently: if pokemon is all about profit for the game designers and Nintendo, then the Wii could maximize that potential.

For years, fans (outside of Japan) screamed and moaned about the "event pokemon" only obtainable by going to some remote location, usually very inconvenient for most. Now that PBR will be on the Wii, with WiFi and the ability to download add-ons, the event items could be sold a month or two after said event (maybe a little longer). It's still fair, event attendees get first claim (free no less) and other fans aren't shafted.

This after-market offer could go for somewhere in the range of 5-20 American dollars (the former if the fans are the motivation, the latter if profit is) and would bring in potential millions. Think about it, how many fans who own a copy (or copies) of D/P would not hesitate to lay down money for pokemon such as: Deoxys, Celebi, Manaphy, Sheimi, Darkrai and (the favorite or most hated) Aruseus? Most would go for it immediately. Given the volume of sales of the games, it would be one of the most successful marketing strategies yet.

Now, I don't necessarily agree with this idea, I just thought it would be interesting to point out. Discuss...

fosterfossil
19th October 2006, 1:54 AM
Great idea

Munchlax 357
19th October 2006, 2:27 AM
was it confirmed dat u can play Wi-Fi on it?

Presto
19th October 2006, 2:40 AM
As convenient as it sounds, I don't think they'll do that via wi-fi. They probably need the event pokemons to be a big incentive for people to even bother going to the events. Manaphy was already released in Japan, and it required preordering a ticket and using/redeeming that ticket in designated locations with Pokemon Rangers.

They probably will continue with the events, except instead of trading via Wireless Adapter/Link Cable with GBA/GBASP, you use DS Download Stations instead. That's just my take on it. We'll probably know by the time Battle Revolution rolls out sometime in December.

Munchlax 357
19th October 2006, 2:45 AM
but is it confirmed dat it will be able to use Wi-Fi at all?

Spriteman
19th October 2006, 4:04 AM
but is it confirmed dat it will be able to use Wi-Fi at all?

*Sigh* Yes, it is *coughmoroncough*. DP has Wi-Fi, so does PBR.

And this isn't the first time this has been brought up, and I'm sure Nintendo might do it, for the fans'n'all. Though, as a poster already said, Manaphy might be a no. Oh well. Lets just hope, I guess.

Obsidian
19th October 2006, 4:09 AM
They probably need the event pokemons to be a big incentive for people to even bother going to the events.

Good observation...
Although, first shot seems like a significant incentive. Just look at how many people on the internet must post "first" in official threads. People do a lot to have things "now" as well as "first"; Xbox360, Furbies, Tickle Me Elmo and the like have proven that.

As for promoting other things pokemon (i.e. preorder movie ticket), it helps profit; but I doubt the people who preordered weren't going to see the movie originally anyway (it was just a bonus for them). Also, a D/P pokemon from ranger is definitely an odd choice. The people who preordered, had ranger, redeemed the ticket, bought D/P, traded the egg and own a Manaphy are somewhat few in number.

Promotionally, the word might have spread a bit more and maybe persuaded a few uninterested people to see the movie. Profit wise, the scenario I mentioned would work better. Many people who will have a DS and D/P will get the Wii and PBR. Either that or use a friend to acquire it (multiple purchases and the like). All theory, all unlikely since the people behind pokemon are stubborn (just look at the recurring plot); hypothetically speaking though, it's money in the bank.


this isn't the first time this has been brought up, and I'm sure Nintendo might do it, for the fans'n'all.
I know it has been talked of here an there on forums, but I have not seen it as a topic of discussion. Neither have I seen mention of the idea of profit over exclusivity. Nothing on message boards is original, but things can be condensed, restated and conveyed in clearer language (no l33t for example).

Munchlax 357
19th October 2006, 4:10 AM
*Sigh* Yes, it is *coughmoroncough*. DP has Wi-Fi, so does PBR.

And this isn't the first time this has been brought up, and I'm sure Nintendo might do it, for the fans'n'all. Though, as a poster already said, Manaphy might be a no. Oh well. Lets just hope, I guess.

lol welll soooooooooooooooorry

Obsidian
19th October 2006, 4:19 AM
lol welll soooooooooooooooorry

The only thing I have to say is: If you use another topic to ask a question that isn't directly on the same subject, expect to be flamed. Now, your question is related to the game; but this topic is fairly specific. If you refrain from posting somewhat off topic questions in other's topics, you can avoid negative feedback. Personal topic creation works best. ;)

Spriteman
19th October 2006, 4:20 AM
lol welll soooooooooooooooorry

Don't worry, I was kidding ^^


And it IS nice to see it put out of 1337, gets kinda annoying. GRAMMER FTW!

PokeMaster Justin
19th October 2006, 4:51 AM
No. Why the hell would you want to willing give your money to code that should be in the game regardless? What the hell? This is as stupid as Sony's GT plan. I can't believe fans would WANT to be raped by Nintendo like this, good god.

Watch Chris try to spin this...

Obsidian
19th October 2006, 5:22 AM
No. Why the hell would you want to willing give your money to code that should be in the game regardless? What the hell? This is as stupid as Sony's GT plan. I can't believe fans would WANT to be raped by Nintendo like this, good god.

Now that was a rather heated, crass response.

I'm speaking hypothetically here, presenting a concept (not advocating its implementaion). Some people must consider travel cost for attending events; item purchase could be significantly less money overall.

Now, many will have your view of wanting no "unobtainable" pokemon; but Gamefreak continues this pattern, regardless of fan feedback. Needless to say, there are several event pokemon in D/P and the concept of purchase over pass up is up for discussion here.

Please be considerate. :)

PokeMaster Justin
19th October 2006, 5:32 AM
or the events could just be transmitted over wifi for free so that gamers can enjoy what the paid for in the first place on certain events.

Nick Mckenzie
19th October 2006, 9:35 AM
Haven't all the other events had free admission? So why should we have to pay to get what we would've got at a FREE event anyway?
Nice idea, though.

water types rule
19th October 2006, 3:41 PM
Haven't all the other events had free admission? So why should we have to pay to get what we would've got at a FREE event anyway?
Nice idea, though.
Actually no. The Manafi event had you buying movie tickets, and Ranger. Sure they probably were already seeing the movie, but it's not exactly free. Plus as Obsidian said, there's always travel costs as well.

I like the idea(not quite as much as just foregoing event Pokemon), but I think it would be nice, to not have to wait for a kind person to trade you cloned Pokemon over Wi-Fi to get some unobtainables. Although this won't work with D/P, because as far as I know there is no cloning glitch in D/P, so Wi-fi trading 4th gen unobtainables isn't gonna happen most likely.

Obsidian
19th October 2006, 6:22 PM
Haven't all the other events had free admission? So why should we have to pay to get what we would've got at a FREE event anyway?

The logic here is that many cannot attend events due the location(s) they are held. This would be a sort of second chance, post event (so event attendees get first grab), with a price (to keep the value of attending the original event).


or the events could just be transmitted over wifi for free so that gamers can enjoy what the paid for in the first place on certain events.

Unfortunately, experience shows that Gamefreak, Nintendo and the others are not that considerate/generous. If only they were not so stubborn, we can all hope.

zipzap713
19th October 2006, 7:19 PM
There have been threads like this before. it would be nice if u could down load teh event pkmn though. heck i would buy the pokemon if u had to pay through the Wii download thingy.

Obsidian
19th October 2006, 7:43 PM
There have been threads like this before.

I am aware. I have not seen this level of detail or specifics however. ;)

PokeMaster Justin
19th October 2006, 9:12 PM
they make enough profit as it is, I can see if they actually bent over backwads on the DP games...but no, their basic cookie cutter Pokemon games. Charging for the game code? No.

This is why people hate PS3.

Korobooshi Kojiro
19th October 2006, 9:24 PM
Have you even played DP?

No, then shut up until you do.

zipzap713
19th October 2006, 9:37 PM
I bet that if they offered the event pkmn throught the wii through purchase the would make a lot of $$$ cause quite a lot of people can't go to events.

Railith
19th October 2006, 9:42 PM
The day I have to ****ing pay for individual pokemon is the day I quit.

PokeMaster Justin
19th October 2006, 10:08 PM
Have you even played DP?

No, then shut up until you do.

So I have to play it to see how basic it is? I've seen enough videos, shut up.

Korobooshi Kojiro
19th October 2006, 10:10 PM
Nintendo definately put alot of work into DP, you know with WiFi, and having like 463 some Pokemon catchable in game without any extras.....so don't say that they didn't bend over backwards at all...

But I forgot, since it doesn't have Kanto rehashed on it, it sucks. Amirite?

zipzap713
19th October 2006, 10:10 PM
The day I have to ****ing pay for individual pokemon is the day I quit.
Well i think buying pkmn instead of going 2 an event is a great idea

PokeMaster Justin
19th October 2006, 10:11 PM
Nintendo definately put alot of work into DP, you know with WiFi, and having like 463 some Pokemon catchable in game without any extras.....so don't say that they didn't bend over backwards at all...

But I forgot, since it doesn't have Kanto rehashed on it, it sucks. Amirite?


They bent over backwards on GSC, not so much on this game.


The day I have to ****ing pay for individual pokemon is the day I quit.

I agree with you 100%.

Korobooshi Kojiro
19th October 2006, 10:13 PM
How the hell did they "bend over backwards" more for GS?

A rehashed region which seriously cut into Johto's potential vs an entirely new region about the size of Kanto and Johto combined?

PokeMaster Justin
19th October 2006, 10:13 PM
How the hell did they "bend over backwards" more for GS?

A rehashed region which seriously cut into Johto's potential vs an entirely new region about the size of Kanto and Johto combined?

Johto was large enough...how the hell much bigger do you want it? The whole concept and ideas that were in GSC were amazing, just stop.

Korobooshi Kojiro
19th October 2006, 10:15 PM
Ummm.....as I think being able to battle and trade with people all over the world, plus all of Johto's functions is pretty neat as well.

Oh, and Johto had none of those DAMN BABIES AND EVOS of oldies.!

PokeMaster Justin
19th October 2006, 10:19 PM
Ummm.....as I think being able to battle and trade with people all over the world, plus all of Johto's functions is pretty neat as well.

Oh, and Johto had none of those DAMN BABIES AND EVOS of oldies.!

The wireless thing is minor IMO it's what should have been in place as the next evolution of the trade feature...to think it wouldn't have been is just stupid.

Johto started that trend the baby and evo chain

There just aren't any new features in D/P at all gameplay wise that I think is revoultioary as GSC was, so many poteintal ideas. PokeHolidays, A Weather system...those are just off the top of my head, but hey you get "Super Contests".

Korobooshi Kojiro
19th October 2006, 10:23 PM
Johto started that trend the baby and evo chain
I was being facetious.

Let's see...they improved almost of all of Johto's "unique"-ness.

Pokegear was upgraded to the Poketch.
We now have visible Gender Differences.
We have Morning, Day, Afternoon, Evening, Night.
Super Contests are fun, don't diss till you try them.

GS had...what now? Genders (was expected), Day/Night (was expected), and.......????

And how the hell is Wifi minor? You can now get almost every Pokemon easily.


What Political Party are you? A Republican Conservative?

PokeMaster Justin
19th October 2006, 10:30 PM
I was being facetious.

Let's see...they improved almost of all of Johto's "unique"-ness.

Pokegear was upgraded to the Poketch.
We now have visible Gender Differences.
We have Morning, Day, Afternoon, Evening, Night.
Super Contests are fun, don't diss till you try them.

GS had...what now? Genders (was expected), Day/Night (was expected), and.......????

And how the hell is Wifi minor? You can now get almost every Pokemon easily.


What Political Party are you? A Republican Conservative?

Johto Had:
- Radio
- PokeGear
- Day/Night
- Gender
- Two Regions (one revisting the old and seeing how things changed)
- A continuous story from RBY
- Berry Attachments (the beginging of attachments)
- Daily Events
- Your Room function to customize your own room
- Pre/New Evo's of old Pokemon
- Baby Pokemon
- Mystery Gift with Friends.

Korobooshi Kojiro
19th October 2006, 10:35 PM
Johto Had:
- Radio Which had like 4 different channels?
- PokeGear Poketch pwns this. It is very cool
- Day/Night And they make it more diverse in DP
- Gender Same as above, now we have visual differences
- Two Regions So? I'd take my brand new region over a rehashed one that cuts into the size of new areas. Plus, we will probably get a Johto remake soon anyway.
- A continuous story from RBY I like the new story DP has, and it refers to GS events actually (Red Gyrados)
- Berry Attachments (the beginging of attachments) [B]We now have more berries, and uses for them (Pofin)
- Your Room function to customize your own room Secret Bases are pretty much this, and other players can visit them.
- Pre/New Evo's of old Pokemon DP gave us evos of old ones that actually deserved them.
- Baby Pokemon Most people would see this as a bad thing


Stop, turn around, and look. ;026;

PokeMaster Justin
19th October 2006, 10:38 PM
Ok I listed the new features GSC introduced as fresh...what fresh features does DP include that wasn't an expansion on GSC?

Obsidian
19th October 2006, 10:38 PM
Please argue outside of the thread (pm or another topic). :)

Korobooshi Kojiro
19th October 2006, 10:39 PM
Ok I listed the new features GSC introduced as fresh...what fresh features does DP include that wasn't an expansion on GSC?

Underground. WiFi.

Whose smexy now, *****!

Besides, why fix something that isn't broke?

Valoc Darkmyre
19th October 2006, 11:12 PM
Seeing that there are many online games where you can pay real-world money for certain content, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo decided to try this with Pokémon eventually. After all, even though the little kids can't use credit cards, they can get Mommy and Daddy to use them. I can see it now. =P

Little Girl: Daddy, I want you to buy me a Deoxys online to use in my Pokémon game.
Daddy: But Deoxys costs $20, and you know Daddy's on a budget. After all, it's just a ga.....
Little Girl: I WANT A ****ING DEOXYS! WAAAAAAHHHHHHH!
Daddy: Alright, alright, I'll buy you a Deoxys!
Little Girl: Thank you, Daddy! *kiss*

Pokemaníaco Desesperado
20th October 2006, 1:17 PM
Well, difference between that and the old way is that daddy would still have to pay (gas and food) in most cases and spending a complete day outside (when with the other way he can do that in a few minutes, and with no queues).

Metagross
21st October 2006, 12:57 PM
nintendo could implement microsoft's way of charging for bonuses.