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Void Ventus
14th November 2014, 9:51 PM
Digital coloring of Ch699 (http://m.imgur.com/a/7UPT6)

LightningMaster95
14th November 2014, 11:30 PM
I'd call that interview sketchy simply because it forces us to assume that nothing has changed in the eight years since, but in lieu of anything more recent saying anything different I'll take it.

Not sure I'm following your logic regarding NaruSaku, though. That really just makes no sense at all; NaruHina being canon does not at all invalidate anything barring blatant statements that could reasonably point to the contrary.
well honestly im not the best explaining things over texts emails etc. but ill try my best...for me to consider it an actual moment wheter its for narusaku or naruhina or even sasusaku it has to be clearly stated in the manga or movie that is canon to the series by kishimoto himself for it to be valid such as hinata stating she loves naruto or sakura saying she loves sasuke

Sweet May
14th November 2014, 11:57 PM
Uhhh Shipping forum is this way guys. (http://www.serebiiforums.com/forumdisplay.php?177-Alternative-Shipping) Stick to the story and less about what pairing makes sense and what doesn't.

LightningMaster95
15th November 2014, 12:03 AM
Uhhh Shipping forum is this way guys. (http://www.serebiiforums.com/forumdisplay.php?177-Alternative-Shipping) Stick to the story and less about what pairing makes sense and what doesn't.
since the plot of the movie and the last chapter of the manga deals with shipping we are technically sticking to the story...not trying to be smart all im doing is just making sure if its right or wrong to talk about it here

HoennMaster
15th November 2014, 1:15 AM
Love seeing colored chapters. Apparently I didn't pay too much attention during the war because I don't remember Samui being sealed in that thing. After looking over the chapter in color I'm a little worried about the movie. So many unanswered questions. I really want to know hat Orochimaru and Kabuto are going to do.

Void Ventus
15th November 2014, 1:48 AM
since the plot of the movie and the last chapter of the manga deals with shipping we are technically sticking to the story...not trying to be smart all im doing is just making sure if its right or wrong to talk about it here
I agree. The movie is about love, and is clearly gonna show Naruto falling in love with Hinata. Shipping is fans arguing about who should be in a relationship to whom, but NaruHina is now official, so there's some discussion to it.


Love seeing colored chapters. Apparently I didn't pay too much attention during the war because I don't remember Samui being sealed in that thing. After looking over the chapter in color I'm a little worried about the movie. So many unanswered questions. I really want to know hat Orochimaru and Kabuto are going to do.

The Kin/Gin brothers sealer her and Atsui. They said the words they commonly used, and bam, sucked in. They got sucked in before Darui almost did. Sasuke got pardoned, so Taka and Orobuto are most likely also pardoned. I'm gonna guess Oro is still stalking Sasuke.

Lorde
15th November 2014, 1:54 AM
Digital coloring of Ch699 (http://m.imgur.com/a/7UPT6)

I just realized that Sasuke kept the Rinnegan that he had in his left eye; it looks gross imo. I also still maintain that Guy should've died after using the Evening Elephant, but alas.

Void Ventus
15th November 2014, 3:46 AM
I just realized that Sasuke kept the Rinnegan that he had in his left eye; it looks gross imo. I also still maintain that Guy should've died after using the Evening Elephant, but alas.

He still has it as an adult. His bangs are just covering it now. And yes, I agree Guy should have died. He would have died the noblest of beasts owning Madara. Now he's just a handicap, no longer able to share the youth with his eternal rival and students. Also, I still want to know who Lee married.

Btw, is Sarada Uchiha/Haruno/Senju? Sasuke is born Uchiha, but then Hashirama gave him Senju DNA to awaken the Rinnegan. Does the given Senju DNA also pass down to her?

Platinum fan.
15th November 2014, 8:38 PM
He still has it as an adult. His bangs are just covering it now. And yes, I agree Guy should have died. He would have died the noblest of beasts owning Madara. Now he's just a handicap, no longer able to share the youth with his eternal rival and students. Also, I still want to know who Lee married.

Btw, is Sarada Uchiha/Haruno/Senju? Sasuke is born Uchiha, but then Hashirama gave him Senju DNA to awaken the Rinnegan. Does the given Senju DNA also pass down to her?

Maybe Lee didn't marry anyone. Maybe that kid with Rock Lee is a student. Like Lee was Guy's student, that kid could be the same.

LightningMaster95
15th November 2014, 8:41 PM
in the movie when Naruto becomes hokage i want to see something of Jiraiya...maybe kabuto or sasuke uses edo tensei on jiraiya so he can be there just like naruto wanted

Lorde
15th November 2014, 8:57 PM
in the movie when Naruto becomes hokage i want to see something of Jiraiya...maybe kabuto or sasuke uses edo tensei on jiraiya so he can be there just like naruto wanted

That would be pointless in my opinion, not to mention impossible since Kabuto himself said that he wasn't able to get any of Jiraiya's DNA in the first place.

LightningMaster95
15th November 2014, 9:18 PM
That would be pointless in my opinion, not to mention impossible since Kabuto himself said that he wasn't able to get any of Jiraiya's DNA in the first place.

naruto stated that he wanted jiraiya to be there when he became hokage so it would be sentimental for jiraiya to be there...also orochimaru most likely would have dna of jiraiya and than theres the arm he lost that can be used

Platinum fan.
15th November 2014, 10:24 PM
naruto stated that he wanted jiraiya to be there when he became hokage so it would be sentimental for jiraiya to be there...also orochimaru most likely would have dna of jiraiya and than theres the arm he lost that can be used

While your at it, bring back Sasuke's clan, Neji, Minato, Kushina, The other dead Hokage, and a bunch of other people who died. They are dead. I don't want Jiraiya back ever. His death was a heavy impact on Naruto's character. I loved the character and his relationship with Naruto, but he's gone now. Naruto can think of Jiraiya when he becomes Hokage, That would be wonderful. But Jiraiya does not need to be Edo Tenseied . What's Naruto going to do? Beg Orochimaru and Kabuto until they say yes? That would be more pathetic then Naruto begging A to spare Sasuke after he raided their village. And really what's going to happen? Jiraiya watches and when it's over goes back to being dead? What would be the point of that?

LightningMaster95
15th November 2014, 10:29 PM
While your at it, bring back Sasuke's clan, Neji, Minato, Kushina, The other dead Hokage, and a bunch of other people who died. They are dead. I don't want Jiraiya back ever. His death was a heavy impact on Naruto's character. I loved the character and his relationship with Naruto, but he's gone now. Naruto can think of Jiraiya when he becomes Hokage, That would be wonderful. But Jiraiya does not need to be Edo Tenseied . What's Naruto going to do? Beg Orochimaru and Kabuto until they say yes? That would be more pathetic then Naruto begging A to spare Sasuke after he raided their village. And really what's going to happen? Jiraiya watches and when it's over goes back to being dead? What would be the point of that?

i was kidding about the edo tensei but i was serious about jiraiya getting a reference when naruto becomes hokage

Platinum fan.
15th November 2014, 10:31 PM
i was kidding about the edo tensei but i was serious about jiraiya getting a reference when naruto becomes hokage

LOL, my bad. Sorry man. I would totally be onboard with a Jiraiya reference. I always found him the coolest of the Sanin. He was the only one to accept old age gracefully and in some cases embrace it and he died a hero. Orochimaru and Tsuande wise they could be as cool as Jiraiya.

Void Ventus
15th November 2014, 10:34 PM
Maybe Lee didn't marry anyone. Maybe that kid with Rock Lee is a student. Like Lee was Guy's student, that kid could be the same.

Whoa! I never even thought about that. Lee did look a bit different before becoming Guy's student. He didn't even have a stupid bowl haircut before then.

Yeah, I don't get why Jiraiya should be revived. He's dead. His death was very noble and important to Naruto's development. If there was a good time to bring him back, it would have been during the war to fight against Naruto. But Asuma already provided that tearjerker with InoShikaCho. Sometimes you just have to kill off characters permanently. This isn't DBZ where you can revive everyone nillywilly without consequences (except for GT, but that's not canon). Naruto and Hinata are married, so at least Naruto doesn't become a bachelor and a pervert like Jiraiya was. He drinks booze though.

Lorde
15th November 2014, 10:55 PM
naruto stated that he wanted jiraiya to be there when he became hokage so it would be sentimental for jiraiya to be there...also orochimaru most likely would have dna of jiraiya and than theres the arm he lost that can be used

His arm is in Amegakure just like the rest of his body; it's either decomposed by now, too far under the lake/sea there that it can't be reached due to water pressure, or both. I simply don't see the need for Jiraiya to return, in-the-flesh at least.

LightningMaster95
16th November 2014, 4:05 AM
His arm is in Amegakure just like the rest of his body; it's either decomposed by now, too far under the lake/sea there that it can't be reached due to water pressure, or both. I simply don't see the need for Jiraiya to return, in-the-flesh at least.

i was kidding about the edo tensie on jiraiya but i wouldnt put it past orochimaru or kabuto to have some of his dna...also even if a body part is decomposed(arm) u can still get dna from it

TsukiMirage
19th November 2014, 2:39 AM
The Kin/Gin brothers sealer her and Atsui. They said the words they commonly used, and bam, sucked in. They got sucked in before Darui almost did. Sasuke got pardoned, so Taka and Orobuto are most likely also pardoned. I'm gonna guess Oro is still stalking Sasuke. Doubt Orochimaru and crew got pardons. Sasuke had the benefit of being connected to Naruto and necessary for the final victory, Orochimaru had none of that. More then likely, Orochimaru just got out of there while everyone was confused. As for falling Sasuke, that doesn't seem like his goal anymore after his revival. He knows he was right about combining Senju and Uciha Dna to gain the Rinnegan, meaning he doesn't need Sasuke anymore for that.


He still has it as an adult. His bangs are just covering it now. And yes, I agree Guy should have died. He would have died the noblest of beasts owning Madara. Now he's just a handicap, no longer able to share the youth with his eternal rival and students. Also, I still want to know who Lee married.

Btw, is Sarada Uchiha/Haruno/Senju? Sasuke is born Uchiha, but then Hashirama gave him Senju DNA to awaken the Rinnegan. Does the given Senju DNA also pass down to her? I think it's implied that Lee married Tenten.

You mean Kabuto gave him Senju Dna, Hashirama gave him some kind of technique that he never used. As for Sarada having it, probably, it's part of Sasuke's Dna now.

Void Ventus
19th November 2014, 9:03 AM
Doubt Orochimaru and crew got pardons. Sasuke had the benefit of being connected to Naruto and necessary for the final victory, Orochimaru had none of that. More then likely, Orochimaru just got out of there while everyone was confused. As for falling Sasuke, that doesn't seem like his goal anymore after his revival. He knows he was right about combining Senju and Uciha Dna to gain the Rinnegan, meaning he doesn't need Sasuke anymore for that.

I think it's implied that Lee married Tenten.

You mean Kabuto gave him Senju Dna, Hashirama gave him some kind of technique that he never used. As for Sarada having it, probably, it's part of Sasuke's Dna now.

Orochimaru Edo Tensei'd the sealed Hokages, which helped save a lot of lives after they finally got to the battlefield. Suigetsu helped reattach Tsunade's split body back together, and Karin let herself be bitten to help Tsunade get back a lot of her chakra. I don't remember what Jūgo did. Even Kabuto, despite being the one to perform the Edo Tensei, helped by reviving Sasuke. Would be nice for Oro to be back in the Leaf and become the lead of their genetics research without all the evil intentions this time around. Most likely pardoned, but kicked out, and is now living in the Sound.

I've always thought it would Neji and Tenten would get together ever since Part 1, but then he died. I don't see the implications though, or even any hints. Sure, Tenten shows up the very next panel after Lee and his song/lookalike student, but that doesn't mean they got together. If only the kid was also carrying ninja scrolls on his back, then we would have gotten the hint.

Hopefully he uses whatever Hashirama gave him in the movie. I don't see a huge baddie being able to go up against Naruto or Sasuke if the special mangas lead to Part 3, unless another Ōtsuki comes down from the moon. If Bolt and Sarada get married, that child will be so OP. Even if the Haruno and Namikaze DNA are there to spoil everything, having Uchiha/Senju/Uzumaki/Hyūga DNA is something that's never happened before.

New Kishimoto interview (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-11-19/masashi-kishimoto-to-start-work-on-next-title-after-naruto-after-next-summer/.81192)
Seems like the special stories will only last for a short while. Says he's going to announce his new manga after next summer. Oh yeah! Here comes Masashi Kishimoto's next big hit, Boruto! (It's most likely not)

Lorde
19th November 2014, 8:43 PM
I'd rather see Kishi move away from the Naruto franchise for a while tbh. If he ever writes a manga about Bolt, I hope it's years from now so that Kishi will hopefully have more creative ideas. :x

greninjamaster
19th November 2014, 10:14 PM
It still leaves a bad taste in my mouth that he's using this movie to explain his manga. That never ever happens. It just reeks of selling out. Why all of a sudden are we getting flashbacks to NH when they were kids when there was ZERO reference to any backstory between them in the manga? Like it just seems cliche and forced but then again he has to explain that awful rushed ending somehow. Why not with a awful movie, with gag me romance which isn't even what Naruto is about.

uber gon
20th November 2014, 4:00 AM
Would be neat if Bolt got the Byakugan rather than his sister. Maybe she could get Sage Mode.

greninjamaster
20th November 2014, 9:32 AM
Would be neat if Bolt got the Byakugan rather than his sister. Maybe she could get Sage Mode.

I doubt we will know from their appearances in the movie which I'm sure will be minimal.

Platinum fan.
20th November 2014, 3:50 PM
Orochimaru Edo Tensei'd the sealed Hokages, which helped save a lot of lives after they finally got to the battlefield. Suigetsu helped reattach Tsunade's split body back together, and Karin let herself be bitten to help Tsunade get back a lot of her chakra. I don't remember what Jūgo did. Even Kabuto, despite being the one to perform the Edo Tensei, helped by reviving Sasuke. Would be nice for Oro to be back in the Leaf and become the lead of their genetics research without all the evil intentions this time around. Most likely pardoned, but kicked out, and is now living in the Sound.

I've always thought it would Neji and Tenten would get together ever since Part 1, but then he died. I don't see the implications though, or even any hints. Sure, Tenten shows up the very next panel after Lee and his song/lookalike student, but that doesn't mean they got together. If only the kid was also carrying ninja scrolls on his back, then we would have gotten the hint.

Hopefully he uses whatever Hashirama gave him in the movie. I don't see a huge baddie being able to go up against Naruto or Sasuke if the special mangas lead to Part 3, unless another Ōtsuki comes down from the moon. If Bolt and Sarada get married, that child will be so OP. Even if the Haruno and Namikaze DNA are there to spoil everything, having Uchiha/Senju/Uzumaki/Hyūga DNA is something that's never happened before.

New Kishimoto interview (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-11-19/masashi-kishimoto-to-start-work-on-next-title-after-naruto-after-next-summer/.81192)
Seems like the special stories will only last for a short while. Says he's going to announce his new manga after next summer. Oh yeah! Here comes Masashi Kishimoto's next big hit, Boruto! (It's most likely not)

Yeah, let's just forget all the past crimes Orochimaru did. Killing hundreds in his experiments and then killing more during Operation Destroy Konoha, including the current Hokage at the time, Hiruzen Sarutobi. Orochimaru has done more bad then good to the world. Even if Konoha isn't hunting him, he should never be allowed back in Konoha grounds. Forgiving him is one thing. But to let him have any sort of place in Konoha after all he's done? Nobody in Konoha would trust him, so why even bother? His crimes are far worse then Sasukes. He can go back to his Sound Village and rot there.

Of course the obvious answer would be to never revive him in the first place. That was the single stupidest move the Naruto manga ever did. Now he's back in a world that doesn't need him. A world where he's not even a big player in the game anymore, and we're all just suppose to believe he'll be good now. Really? Orochimaru's revival makes me sick. His ending was near perfect and they brought him back to a world that moved on from him. He has no place in the world now.

Lorde
20th November 2014, 9:09 PM
Would be neat if Bolt got the Byakugan rather than his sister. Maybe she could get Sage Mode.

There's more of a chance that both will have Byakugan imo since it's a Kekkei Genkai and all. Sage Mode bores me, so I'd rather not see either of them specialize in that.

Red and Blue
21st November 2014, 5:03 AM
It still leaves a bad taste in my mouth that he's using this movie to explain his manga. That never ever happens. It just reeks of selling out. Why all of a sudden are we getting flashbacks to NH when they were kids when there was ZERO reference to any backstory between them in the manga? Like it just seems cliche and forced but then again he has to explain that awful rushed ending somehow. Why not with a awful movie, with gag me romance which isn't even what Naruto is about.

I wish their relationship was developed more in the manga as well, but I'm happy at the very least we get a movie showing how they fell in love. I'd be more upsetif there was zero follow up to the hand holding scene

LightningMaster95
22nd November 2014, 2:27 AM
Top 5 Favorite Naruto Characters (not in order)
1. Itachi

2. Jiraiya

3. Kakashi

4. Madara

5. Minato

Void Ventus
22nd November 2014, 10:19 AM
Take it with a huge grain of salt, but a few users from Narutobase (http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=611135) have translated quite a bit of info from The Last's plot.

You can read the whole thing there, but I'll post a few things here.

•Story will span 3-4 months, from beginning of Nov to end of Feb
•Credits will show the wedding of all couples
•Kaguya is of Ōtsuki and Hyuuga descent, so Toneri wants to bang a Hyuuga to create a new Kaguya
•Looks like Hanabi isn't actually a big deal to the plot at all
•Toneri takes away Nard ad Sauce's powers
•Toneri beats up Naruto, kidnaps Hinata, a hooded dude comes over and tells Naruto it's okay
•They go fight Toneri, he has Elite Warriors
-Uchiha, Hyuuga, and an Aburame (all male)
-One female Akimichi (Choji's clan if you don't remember)
•Karin sacrifices herself to save Sakura
•Karin, Oro, and Juugo die. Suigetsu becomes leader of the new 7 Swordsmen of the Mist
-Karin tells Sakura to love Sasuke or something, so Sakura keeps Karin's glasses as a tribute and gives it to her eventual daughter nearly a decade later
•There's a missing-nin named Kyomu from the Nara clan, whose face was scarred by Shisui Uchiha, who was the one to talk to Fugaku about the massacre
-Fugaku's first love was Kushina, so when she died, he goes crazy or something. The plan didn't go in effect until like 7 years later though lol
•Hinata says he loves Naruto, causes Toneri to go to the monster form
•something something defeat and life in the village and defeat


•Movie is about Naruto moving away from his crush on Sakura, and starts realizing his feelings for Hinata
-It seems when they were children, Naruto mistook Hinata's kindness as making fun of him
-He wanted to reply to Hinata's confessions, but something held him back (the dude who translated it say it has something to do with Kushina and substitutions)
-Naruto confesses his love to Hinata after the fight with Toneri, and as the months went on, Hinata teaches Naruto cooking and dancing, while Naruto teaches her to do the Rasengan and (the dude got confused with the wording) something about Naruto's catchphrase "Dattebayo"
•Choji and Karui meet at a festival. Karui has cooking inferiority, but Choji tells her to believe in herself, and this leads to Karui taking an interest in him
•Ino x Sai is disturbing. It seems one male ninja wanted to rape her, but Sai saved her


NOTHING about Rock Lee and his son/look alike student at all. Either he's not important, or the kid was just a look alike student, like how he copied Guy's clothing, hairstyle, and attitude

Again, take this news with a huge grain of salt! Might be legit, might be not. The movie is coming out in Japan in 2 week, so we'll get more leaks as the date gets closer.

lolipiece
22nd November 2014, 12:26 PM
That sounds awful.

I doubt it's real.

Lorde
22nd November 2014, 9:01 PM
I'd rage if Orochimaru dies; he's resilient and I'd hate for him to finally pass away in the last movie of all things. In my head canon, he was stalking Sasuke in chapter 700.

Jb
22nd November 2014, 9:29 PM
all that seems really cringe worthy

nel3
22nd November 2014, 10:48 PM
is it just me or has this series finally ended at ch 700? I stopped the manga somewhere soon after the infinite Tsukuyomi was activated and all the tailed beasts were taken back from 10-tails. I stopped the anime NH:S at 321 and avoiding all filler arcs. i'll eventually catch up on that when I feel up the challenge. looks like the anime is just past where I stopped the manga. which chapter did the Infinite Tsukuyomi arc end? Ive lost track of the chapters long ago.

Lorde
22nd November 2014, 11:09 PM
is it just me or has this series finally ended at ch 700? I stopped the manga somewhere soon after the infinite Tsukuyomi was activated and all the tailed beasts were taken back from 10-tails. I stopped the anime NH:S at 321 and avoiding all filler arcs. i'll eventually catch up on that when I feel up the challenge. looks like the anime is just past where I stopped the manga. which chapter did the Infinite Tsukuyomi arc end? Ive lost track of the chapters long ago.

Chapter 700 was the final chapter and the Infinite Tsukuyomi was finally lifted in chapter 699 after Naruto and Sasuke's fight.

nel3
22nd November 2014, 11:19 PM
Chapter 700 was the final chapter and the Infinite Tsukuyomi was finally lifted in chapter 699 after Naruto and Sasuke's fight.

ty very much Lorde, I was checking the last arc summary, or atleast skimming most of it. I lost interest in the series mosly because there were too many characters and they dragged on forever. atleast now I know the light is there in the tunnel so my interest is revived to an extent to catch up now.

I honestly didn't think it' ever end. now all I need to do is wait for Bleach to end, ive gotten to the part where Ichigo find out his hidden powers and mother's secret. anything past that I haven't bothered to read.

I don't really catch up to any series I have read since a year ago as I decided to just read the paper version than go online. though I do refer to the net to see if the series is ended/ongoing.

Void Ventus
22nd November 2014, 11:57 PM
ty very much Lorde, I was checking the last arc summary, or atleast skimming most of it. I lost interest in the series mosly because there were too many characters and they dragged on forever. atleast now I know the light is there in the tunnel so my interest is revived to an extent to catch up now.

I honestly didn't think it' ever end. now all I need to do is wait for Bleach to end, ive gotten to the part where Ichigo find out his hidden powers and mother's secret. anything past that I haven't bothered to read.

I don't really catch up to any series I have read since a year ago as I decided to just read the paper version than go online. though I do refer to the net to see if the series is ended/ongoing.
There's a mini-series next year. If nothing is big enough to replace Naruto, Naruto part 3 might be forced, just like how GT was forced because they needed something to replace DBZ.

IIRC Bleach is now in its final arc. Might finally end by next year.

What took Road to Ninja so long? The movie debuted in US theaters (I don't think it even was shown here where I live) over 2 years and 1 month after the Japanese roadshow release, and the Bluray is only now releasing next week Tuesday. Was there some kind of dispute with the licensing or something that caused the huge delay? Would suck if The Last doesn't get officially released in the US for like another 2 years.

nel3
23rd November 2014, 2:02 AM
There's a mini-series next year. If nothing is big enough to replace Naruto, Naruto part 3 might be forced, just like how GT was forced because they needed something to replace DBZ.

IIRC Bleach is now in its final arc. Might finally end by next year.

What took Road to Ninja so long? The movie debuted in US theaters (I don't think it even was shown here where I live) over 2 years and 1 month after the Japanese roadshow release, and the Bluray is only now releasing next week Tuesday. Was there some kind of dispute with the licensing or something that caused the huge delay? Would suck if The Last doesn't get officially released in the US for like another 2 years.

ty for the reply Sazandora.

drat, they have plans to beat the broken log further...... I don't think i'll even bother with it given half the chance. I think 10 years or so is long enough for a series to last. reminds me a bit of the old series Ranma 1/2 where they force all sorts of ridiculous plot devices. the Naruto series does still have humour though some is put in the wrong places.

I don't particularly care much about Bleach atm, its very much in the Naruto situation ie too long and forced, its stil on the radar but far down the list. its bizarre but sensible that these long running series are finally coming to and end within 1-2 years of each other. the problem is that they kept it up as it kept them going so replacements are not ready yet.

I have seen only 3-4 Naruto movies and its only BC its readily available to watch. though the plot is needed for me to consider the movie. I wasn't to impressed with any of the movies iv seen. im more for the manga where they have items of substance.

Void Ventus
23rd November 2014, 3:35 AM
ty for the reply Sazandora.

drat, they have plans to beat the broken log further...... I don't think i'll even bother with it given half the chance. I think 10 years or so is long enough for a series to last. reminds me a bit of the old series Ranma 1/2 where they force all sorts of ridiculous plot devices. the Naruto series does still have humour though some is put in the wrong places.

I don't particularly care much about Bleach atm, its very much in the Naruto situation ie too long and forced, its stil on the radar but far down the list. its bizarre but sensible that these long running series are finally coming to and end within 1-2 years of each other. the problem is that they kept it up as it kept them going so replacements are not ready yet.

I have seen only 3-4 Naruto movies and its only BC its readily available to watch. though the plot is needed for me to consider the movie. I wasn't to impressed with any of the movies iv seen. im more for the manga where they have items of substance.
Naruto was a surprise hit. Kishi didn't think it would last 5 years, let alone 15. The show was very popular even outside Japan, and became a mainstream hit like DBZ was. I've said several times that Naruto part 2 has the same problems as DB part 2, but despite that, I personally would still welcome a canon part 3. Naruto needs to copy fusion for Uber Hagoromo 2.0.

One Piece released the same year as Naruto, and still going strong. Only reached halfway not too long ago.

Only The Last is canon. Road to Ninja and all the other movies are not canon. Kishi did contribute to RtN (he drew the alternate world character designs and either wrote the script or directed it), but it's not canon.

Captain America X
23rd November 2014, 11:06 AM
Naruto was a surprise hit. Kishi didn't think it would last 5 years, let alone 15. The show was very popular even outside Japan, and became a mainstream hit like DBZ was. I've said several times that Naruto part 2 has the same problems as DB part 2, but despite that, I personally would still welcome a canon part 3. Naruto needs to copy fusion for Uber Hagoromo 2.0.

One Piece released the same year as Naruto, and still going strong. Only reached halfway not too long ago.

Only The Last is canon. Road to Ninja and all the other movies are not canon. Kishi did contribute to RtN (he drew the alternate world character designs and either wrote the script or directed it), but it's not canon.

One Piece released two years before Naruto IIRC

Void Ventus
23rd November 2014, 2:16 PM
One Piece released two years before Naruto IIRC

Went and checked, and yep, my mistake. One Piece did start its run in July 19th, 1997. Naruto was also published in 1997, but that was only for the pilot chapter, and it didn't start its proper run until 2 years later on September 21st, 1999.

Platinum fan.
23rd November 2014, 9:06 PM
Take it with a huge grain of salt, but a few users from Narutobase (http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=611135) have translated quite a bit of info from The Last's plot.

You can read the whole thing there, but I'll post a few things here.

•Story will span 3-4 months, from beginning of Nov to end of Feb
•Credits will show the wedding of all couples
•Kaguya is of Ōtsuki and Hyuuga descent, so Toneri wants to bang a Hyuuga to create a new Kaguya
•Looks like Hanabi isn't actually a big deal to the plot at all
•Toneri takes away Nard ad Sauce's powers
•Toneri beats up Naruto, kidnaps Hinata, a hooded dude comes over and tells Naruto it's okay
•They go fight Toneri, he has Elite Warriors
-Uchiha, Hyuuga, and an Aburame (all male)
-One female Akimichi (Choji's clan if you don't remember)
•Karin sacrifices herself to save Sakura
•Karin, Oro, and Juugo die. Suigetsu becomes leader of the new 7 Swordsmen of the Mist
-Karin tells Sakura to love Sasuke or something, so Sakura keeps Karin's glasses as a tribute and gives it to her eventual daughter nearly a decade later
•There's a missing-nin named Kyomu from the Nara clan, whose face was scarred by Shisui Uchiha, who was the one to talk to Fugaku about the massacre
-Fugaku's first love was Kushina, so when she died, he goes crazy or something. The plan didn't go in effect until like 7 years later though lol
•Hinata says he loves Naruto, causes Toneri to go to the monster form
•something something defeat and life in the village and defeat


•Movie is about Naruto moving away from his crush on Sakura, and starts realizing his feelings for Hinata
-It seems when they were children, Naruto mistook Hinata's kindness as making fun of him
-He wanted to reply to Hinata's confessions, but something held him back (the dude who translated it say it has something to do with Kushina and substitutions)
-Naruto confesses his love to Hinata after the fight with Toneri, and as the months went on, Hinata teaches Naruto cooking and dancing, while Naruto teaches her to do the Rasengan and (the dude got confused with the wording) something about Naruto's catchphrase "Dattebayo"
•Choji and Karui meet at a festival. Karui has cooking inferiority, but Choji tells her to believe in herself, and this leads to Karui taking an interest in him
•Ino x Sai is disturbing. It seems one male ninja wanted to rape her, but Sai saved her


NOTHING about Rock Lee and his son/look alike student at all. Either he's not important, or the kid was just a look alike student, like how he copied Guy's clothing, hairstyle, and attitude

Again, take this news with a huge grain of salt! Might be legit, might be not. The movie is coming out in Japan in 2 week, so we'll get more leaks as the date gets closer.

LOL. If all that is true then what a mess. The Sakura and Karin thing...as if their characters could sink no lower. I have no problems with Orochimaru, Karin, and Jugo dying. Orochimaru should have stayed dead to begin with, Karin should have been killed in the Danzo fight, and Jugo. Does anybody care about Jugo? Anybody at all? Suigetsu's the only one from Team Baka worth anything.

nel3
23rd November 2014, 9:13 PM
Naruto was a surprise hit. Kishi didn't think it would last 5 years, let alone 15. The show was very popular even outside Japan, and became a mainstream hit like DBZ was. I've said several times that Naruto part 2 has the same problems as DB part 2, but despite that, I personally would still welcome a canon part 3. Naruto needs to copy fusion for Uber Hagoromo 2.0.

One Piece released the same year as Naruto, and still going strong. Only reached halfway not too long ago.

Only The Last is canon. Road to Ninja and all the other movies are not canon. Kishi did contribute to RtN (he drew the alternate world character designs and either wrote the script or directed it), but it's not canon.

I can see how Naruto is a surprise hit, I liked it very much for most of the time I watched it. until I realised how much filler they add. fillers imo are mostly poison. id prefer for a series to take a production break until there's more canon story to continue the anime. unfortunately that's not how it all works IRL.

the fact the movies are not cannon is the part where I lose most interest in them. as long as its cannon a movie is fair game to me.

I never did get into One Piece very much, id say its the character design that puts me off the most. im not much for pirate stories unless it has heavy metal related to it (ie Alestorm group lol). the One Piece story just doesn't hold my interest and I don't have the motivation to get into it either.

Lorde
23rd November 2014, 9:23 PM
LOL. If all that is true then what a mess. The Sakura and Karin thing...as if their characters could sink no lower. I have no problems with Orochimaru, Karin, and Jugo dying. Orochimaru should have stayed dead to begin with, Karin should have been killed in the Danzo fight, and Jugo. Does anybody care about Jugo? Anybody at all? Suigetsu's the only one from Team Baka worth anything.

Orochimaru shouldn't die in a movie of all things though in my view; he's a Sannin for God's sake. I could tolerate part of him dying when Itachi sealed him, but watching him die in the film would be cringe-worthy imo.

Platinum fan.
23rd November 2014, 10:02 PM
Orochimaru shouldn't die in a movie of all things though in my view; he's a Sannin for God's sake. I could tolerate part of him dying when Itachi sealed him, but watching him die in the film would be cringe-worthy imo.

Being a Sannin means nothing anymore. I can't believe there was a time those three were considered uber powerful. As far as Orochimaru dying in the movie goes, where else are they going to kill him? Orochimaru should not be left running around the world. Why Kishi didn't let him stay dead is beyond me. He's not a threat to anyone important, and I still don't believe he's 100% "good" now. Still I won't go off on another Orochimaru rant.

LightningMaster95
23rd November 2014, 10:49 PM
Being a Sannin means nothing anymore. I can't believe there was a time those three were considered uber powerful. As far as Orochimaru dying in the movie goes, where else are they going to kill him? Orochimaru should not be left running around the world. Why Kishi didn't let him stay dead is beyond me. He's not a threat to anyone important, and I still don't believe he's 100% "good" now. Still I won't go off on another Orochimaru rant.

other than naruto sasuke and all the villians who exactly were shown to be stronger than the sannins?

Lorde
23rd November 2014, 10:51 PM
Being a Sannin means nothing anymore. I can't believe there was a time those three were considered uber powerful. As far as Orochimaru dying in the movie goes, where else are they going to kill him? Orochimaru should not be left running around the world. Why Kishi didn't let him stay dead is beyond me. He's not a threat to anyone important, and I still don't believe he's 100% "good" now. Still I won't go off on another Orochimaru rant.

Well if Orochimaru isn't a huge threat anymore, then I don't really see why he needs to die in the first place. I'd rather see him devote his life to something else than see him perish.

Platinum fan.
23rd November 2014, 11:56 PM
other than naruto sasuke and all the villians who exactly were shown to be stronger than the sannins?

Onoki, A, Killer Bee, and even Might Guy could take on the Sannin at this stage of the series and win with the abilities they have. Orochimaru's ultimate jutsu, Edo Tensei, has been undone and crippled to a point where it's not even a factor anymore. Jiraiya could still have been a powerful guy if he was still around with Sage Mode, even it's inferior to Naruto's, but compared to what's been shown in part 2, Sage Mode's only successful if Naruto's using it. Tsunade is offenses outside punching are lacking. The only really thing these guys still have going for them is summoning. And compared to Killer Bee and Naruto using their tailed beast, or Sasuke's Susanoo, that's barely a factor.

A's less powerful then Tsunade, but with the super speed he's got, that makes him much better in a offensive fight. Tsunade's better with defense and healing, but she runs out of Chakra way too fast to be considered one of the big dogs in part 2. Sakura might be able to out last her. She won't revert to old form ever until she ages. Onoki can fly, hold meteors, and disintegrate enemies. Mighty Guy I'd argue is a better Taijutsu fighter then any of the Sannin and with the Inner Gates he's physically stronger too. Or he was before he got wheel chaired. Even Kakashi is probably strong enough to subdue one of them in a fight in part 2.

I'm not saying the Sannin are weak. But like many things in part 1 that were once glorious and powerful, they've been outclassed by many things in part 2.

Void Ventus
24th November 2014, 12:04 PM
The Sannins aren't special anymore. If they somehow got together again, yeah, there could be problems. But if you list the strongest characters, not one of the Sannin is even able to make mid ranking. Oro would be highest ranked of the Sannin, but that's nothing when the very top of the food chain are freaks like SO6P Naruto, Rinnegan Sasuke, Madara, Hashirama, and Nagato's Paths. Doesn't even count "normies" like Minato, Itachi, double Mangekyo Kakashi, 8 Gates Gai, Ōnoki, etc.

Screenings are now going for The Last, and reception is seemingly positive. Audience crying at the end scenes, and there will be death(s) confirmed.

Lorde
24th November 2014, 8:52 PM
The Sannins aren't special anymore. If they somehow got together again, yeah, there could be problems. But if you list the strongest characters, not one of the Sannin is even able to make mid ranking. Oro would be highest ranked of the Sannin, but that's nothing when the very top of the food chain are freaks like SO6P Naruto, Rinnegan Sasuke, Madara, Hashirama, and Nagato's Paths. Doesn't even count "normies" like Minato, Itachi, double Mangekyo Kakashi, 8 Gates Gai, Ōnoki, etc.

I agree that the Sannin weren't relevant at the end, but why would Orochimaru outrank Jiraiya when the latter had higher databook stats?

Jb
24th November 2014, 9:22 PM
I think despite the whole "I could save oro" stuff, Jiraya was all around stronger than Oro. Oro got solo's instantly buy Itachi. Itachi knew he probalby couldn't beat Jiraiya even with Kisame's help shows me that saw him as more of threat than Oro. That and lasting against Pain who itachi couldn't even touch.

Speaking off, It would of been cool to see Edo Nagato vs Madara. I'm not convinced that So6PNaru and Sauce were stronger. So that fight would of been a lot more interesting.

Platinum fan.
24th November 2014, 11:25 PM
Considering half the stuff Itachi said in part 1 was part of his "worlds greatest actor" bit, I'd take whatever he says in part 1 and really think about if it's true or he's using that as a excuse to not use his full power. This was before Uchiha's were ultimate power in the Naruto universe. And frankly I can't think of a single thing Jiraiya could do in his Sage Mode that could rival MS Itachi in Susanoo. I do believe Itachi when he said they'd both die. As in Itachi would kill Jiraiya in the end and the stress of using his MS would kill him. Again, this is not me saying Jiraiya is weak. I consider him very powerful. But the Uchihas, Bijuu users, Hashirama cell users, and Uzumaki bloodlines are beyond normal mortals. Orochimaru knew this, hence why he wanted Sharingan to remain relevant since part 1.

As far as Orochimaru and Jiraiya go, I have always considered Jiraiya the more impressive of the two attack wise. Orochimaru is powerful, one of the most powerful characters in part 1, but he never did anything that made me say "Holy crap! This guys a legendary beast!" Pretty much all his most dangerous attacks involve him summoning someone or something else to fight for him. That's not cheap or anything, but compared to Jiraiya, being able to pull off all these cool moves alone, like with his hair. I don't know. Orochimaru's not weak. Neither is Jiraiya. They just suffer what most part 1 characters suffered.

Edit: By the way, Edo Tensei Nagato vs Madara? Madara wins. Madara has Rinnegan as well, so he can do everything Nagato can do. But Nagato doesn't have Sharingan, so Madara can troll any fight, so long as Kaguya doesn't eat him midway through the fight.

Void Ventus
25th November 2014, 11:01 AM
Jiraiya's stronger? He does have the OP Rasengan, but I always thought Oro and his freaky snake body and summonings would lead to him being the strongest of the Sannin. My bad.

Has Hinata ever shown any hints of jealousy or anger towards Naruto? More plots details are leaking, and it seems Hinata gets mad at Naruto and ignores him because she bought (or made?) one of those scarfs for Naruto, but she sees Naruto already wearing one (Konohamaru goes through Hiruzen's stuff, and sees a scarf made by Kushina just for Naruto).

PS I recommend reading Hiashi's Master Plan. Obviously it's just a fan trying to outrageously connect the dots, but it's funny. The Uchihas went crazy and almost got their clan extinct, but Hiashi was just there planning NaruHina all along, ensuring the Hyuuga clan stays on top. What's better than having your first born daughter (who'll next in line to lead your clan) marrying the hero of the Leaf and also the 7th Hokage? Grandchildrens aren't pure Hyuugas, but that's a decent setback when you'll be mixing Uzumaki and Hyuuga bloodlines again for the first time in like forever.

phanpycross
25th November 2014, 9:41 PM
Hi guys, been catching up with this series slowly, and one thing is bugging the **** out of me.

Why does over 30% of shippuden's dialogue so far (50 episodes), seem to talk so much about how ****ing awesome Sasuke is on every level. They keep talking about this brotherly bond they share, yet they despised eachother in the first arc, most of the chunin exam arc, and then Sasuke kicked Naruto's ***, and just left by his own choice. I get that they were a team, and getting him back would be a priority, but do they really need to treat him like this Uber-man, that he really wasnt?

Lorde
25th November 2014, 9:47 PM
As far as Orochimaru and Jiraiya go, I have always considered Jiraiya the more impressive of the two attack wise. Orochimaru is powerful, one of the most powerful characters in part 1, but he never did anything that made me say "Holy crap! This guys a legendary beast!" Pretty much all his most dangerous attacks involve him summoning someone or something else to fight for him. That's not cheap or anything, but compared to Jiraiya, being able to pull off all these cool moves alone, like with his hair. I don't know. Orochimaru's not weak. Neither is Jiraiya. They just suffer what most part 1 characters suffered.

Orochimaru rarely had good fights anyway. He couldn't even use ninjutsu himself when he fought Jiraiya and Tsunade, and he could only use a few when he fought Kyuubi mode Naruto.

Platinum fan.
25th November 2014, 10:27 PM
Orochimaru rarely had good fights anyway. He couldn't even use ninjutsu himself when he fought Jiraiya and Tsunade, and he could only use a few when he fought Kyuubi mode Naruto.

Orochimaru was able to summon in both fights. Vs Jiraiya and Tsunade, he had Kabuto summon for him. Obviously there was no handicap there because Kabuto was able to summon Manda of all things, through Orochimaru. Orochimaru was also able to summon those Rashomon towers in his Naruto fight too, so he's had decent fights. Me personally, I just don't think he measures up to the part 2 powerhouses. Whether his arms are working or not. Orochimaru IMO was not that impressive in the Hiruzen fight as he's made out to be. Edo Tensei Hashirama and Tobirama did most of the fighting of wearing Hiruzen down, not Orochimaru himself. I say without Edo Tensei backup, Hiruzen could have beaten Orochimaru.

And to Phanpycross, I assume you're talking about the anime if you're talking episodes. That's the Sasuke treatment for you. The man can do no wrong. He commits crimes and gets a slap on the wrist. Naruto loves him so anything Sasuke does bad is null and void. That's just the way it is.

Void Ventus
26th November 2014, 5:46 AM
More The Last leaks. Sasuke only has 1 line......

Guess how Naruto defeats Toneri. Just guess. Odds are, you're 100% correct.

Lorde
26th November 2014, 5:49 AM
Guess how Naruto defeats Toneri. Just guess. Odds are, you're 100% correct.

Hmm, his infamous Talk no Jutsu perhaps?

Amour256
26th November 2014, 6:08 AM
Hmm, his infamous Talk no Jutsu perhaps?
His TnJ can defeat even the fiercest of the enemies XD No exceptions XD

Void Ventus
26th November 2014, 9:40 AM
Hmm, his infamous Talk no Jutsu perhaps?

Lol seems so. After his defeat (probably by Rasengan variant #8), Toneri gets TnJ'd, with Naruto saying they'd accept him, and Toneri then goes on to say the moon people will never come back down to Earth or something stupid like that. Typical TnJ conclusion.

greninjamaster
26th November 2014, 2:48 PM
God based on all the spoilers this movie sounds literally so awful. Filled with recons galore just for the sake of shoving a incredibly poorly developed pairing down our throats.

I mean I just HAVE to laugh at this crap now.

Naruto thought that when Hinata said she loved him in the pain arc it was the same way he loved ramen. Are you freaking kidding me!? Naruto has never been emotionally blind. That is a load.

Naruto never loved Sakura, he only loved her because of his rivalry with Sasuke. That is a load of absolute horse manure!

I get it Kishi you chose NH and I have no problem with it but don't you dare try to say that Naruto never loved Sakura. That goes against the very core of his character for hundreds and hundreds of chapters. This coming from someone that doesn't care about "shipping" but I will not tolerate character assassination. This movie IS loaded with character assassination.

Not to mention Sasuke is only in it for 20 seconds, WTF!?

Going from tumblr though it's very clear that the only people pleased with this are the NH fans. Nobody else is pleased with this movies spoilers.

This movie should not JUST be about the NH romance but apparently it is. This is the last Naruto movie, that is really screwed up logic from Kishi.

I'm sorry if anyone thinks that this movie still sounds good but it literally sounds like one of the cheesiest shouju movies ever even though it's shonen.

SS fans are livid and they've basically turned on NH fans and many of them are boycotting this film.

If nobody in any of the fandoms can enjoy this movie except for one pairing, you just know something is off.

Platinum fan.
26th November 2014, 3:58 PM
God based on all the spoilers this movie sounds literally so awful. Filled with recons galore just for the sake of shoving a incredibly poorly developed pairing down our throats.

I mean I just HAVE to laugh at this crap now.

Naruto thought that when Hinata said she loved him in the pain arc it was the same way he loved ramen. Are you freaking kidding me!? Naruto has never been emotionally blind. That is a load.

Naruto never loved Sakura, he only loved her because of his rivalry with Sasuke. That is a load of absolute horse manure!

I get it Kishi you chose NH and I have no problem with it but don't you dare try to say that Naruto never loved Sakura. That goes against the very core of his character for hundreds and hundreds of chapters. This coming from someone that doesn't care about "shipping" but I will not tolerate character assassination. This movie IS loaded with character assassination.

Not to mention Sasuke is only in it for 20 seconds, WTF!?

Going from tumblr though it's very clear that the only people pleased with this are the NH fans. Nobody else is pleased with this movies spoilers.

This movie should not JUST be about the NH romance but apparently it is. This is the last Naruto movie, that is really screwed up logic from Kishi.

I'm sorry if anyone thinks that this movie still sounds good but it literally sounds like one of the cheesiest shouju movies ever even though it's shonen.

SS fans are livid and they've basically turned on NH fans and many of them are boycotting this film.

If nobody in any of the fandoms can enjoy this movie except for one pairing, you just know something is off.

LOL...whoa! I'll talk about my thoughts on that later. But uh I have a question? Anything on Hanabi yet? Does she look mostly the same now? Does she do anything worth being mentioned?

Void Ventus
26th November 2014, 4:53 PM
LOL...whoa! I'll talk about my thoughts on that later. But uh I have a question? Anything on Hanabi yet? Does she look mostly the same now? Does she do anything worth being mentioned?

There's already been several spoilers, yet none has described Hanabi's role other than to be kidnapped by Toneri mistaking her for Hinata. I don't think she even fights in the movie.

Platinum fan.
26th November 2014, 5:51 PM
There's already been several spoilers, yet none has described Hanabi's role other than to be kidnapped by Toneri mistaking her for Hinata. I don't think she even fights in the movie.

That's too bad. I kinda wanted to see Hanabi fight. Naruto must see his future sister-in-law in action at least once, LOL.

greninjamaster
26th November 2014, 5:53 PM
[QUOTE=Platinum fan.;17510115]LOL...whoa! I'll talk about my thoughts on that later. But uh I have a question? Anything on Hanabi yet? Does she look mostly the same now? Does she do anything worth being mentioned?

Going from what I've heard hanabi does nothing really in the movie aside from getting kidnapped.

Like I said this movie is a joke and nobody aside from the nh fans are happy and that's just sad.

They had to use a two hour movie in order to recon almost the entire manga and make this poorly developed couple. It's just a joke.

PokeMaster366
26th November 2014, 8:07 PM
More The Last leaks. Sasuke only has 1 line......

Guess how Naruto defeats Toneri. Just guess. Odds are, you're 100% correct.

Talk No Jutsu followed up by the Mega Ultimate Juubi Rasengan Barrage.

And honestly, I had a bad feeling that people were going to call this movie bad. As soon as it would mention that a majority of the focus would be on the romantic elements, the red sirens started blaring in my head. You don't dump all the romance for an entire series in one movie, and from what I'm hearing, it sounds like the actual romance is about as stock as you can get. I'm a NaruHina fan, and even I am disappointed with this movie (mostly for what it's being used for).

Void Ventus
26th November 2014, 8:20 PM
But the dude who's behind the romance is an EXPERT! You guys are just haters because NaruSaku didn't happen. GOSH!

To be fair, all the Naruto movies have been horrible. Even Road to Ninja was horrible.

phanpycross
26th November 2014, 8:38 PM
God based on all the spoilers this movie sounds literally so awful. Filled with recons galore just for the sake of shoving a incredibly poorly developed pairing down our throats.

I mean I just HAVE to laugh at this crap now.

Naruto thought that when Hinata said she loved him in the pain arc it was the same way he loved ramen. Are you freaking kidding me!? Naruto has never been emotionally blind. That is a load.

Naruto never loved Sakura, he only loved her because of his rivalry with Sasuke. That is a load of absolute horse manure!

I get it Kishi you chose NH and I have no problem with it but don't you dare try to say that Naruto never loved Sakura. That goes against the very core of his character for hundreds and hundreds of chapters. This coming from someone that doesn't care about "shipping" but I will not tolerate character assassination. This movie IS loaded with character assassination.

Not to mention Sasuke is only in it for 20 seconds, WTF!?

Going from tumblr though it's very clear that the only people pleased with this are the NH fans. Nobody else is pleased with this movies spoilers.

This movie should not JUST be about the NH romance but apparently it is. This is the last Naruto movie, that is really screwed up logic from Kishi.

I'm sorry if anyone thinks that this movie still sounds good but it literally sounds like one of the cheesiest shouju movies ever even though it's shonen.

SS fans are livid and they've basically turned on NH fans and many of them are boycotting this film.

If nobody in any of the fandoms can enjoy this movie except for one pairing, you just know something is off.

Is, is this real?!?!
WTF, this makes Naruto out like the biggest A-hole ever, unless Im missing something....

LOL @ talk no jutsu, sounds like something out of a disney-movie XD

Lorde
26th November 2014, 8:39 PM
So from the sound of those spoilers, I'll probably hate the film with a passion just like I hated all the other Naruto movies. This is why I wanted Kishi to give the story proper closure in the manga.

DANdotW
26th November 2014, 8:50 PM
Is, is this real?!?!
WTF, this makes Naruto out like the biggest A-hole ever, unless Im missing something....

LOL @ talk no jutsu, sounds like something out of a disney-movie XD

Just like my favourite Disney song! "Sooooomeday, Talk No Jutsu". It sounds like something out of Naruto, lol.

Amour256
26th November 2014, 8:51 PM
But the dude who's behind the romance is an EXPERT! You guys are just haters because NaruSaku didn't happen. GOSH!

To be fair, all the Naruto movies have been horrible. Even Road to Ninja was horrible.

Kishibsaid he sucked at romance and apparently its not about pairings. It is about characters and their assassination. Just look how the last two chapters made the characters! It was pathetic....even this movie!

Void Ventus
27th November 2014, 1:55 AM
Kishibsaid he sucked at romance and apparently its not about pairings. It is about characters and their assassination. Just look how the last two chapters made the characters! It was pathetic....even this movie!

The dude who wrote the romance part of the movie is I think one of his assistance, not Kishi himself. This assistance is his so called "romance expert". So you get a supposed expert at crafting a romance story, yet from the sounds of it, the romance in The Last is equally dumb as Twilight's. Let's have Hinata be mad at Naruto all of a sudden for the first time in the manga's 15 years of publication, because he's already wearing a muffler, even though she's never been jealous of Sakura, who was always around Naruto.

PokeMaster366
27th November 2014, 2:02 AM
Kishibsaid he sucked at romance and apparently its not about pairings. It is about characters and their assassination. Just look how the last two chapters made the characters! It was pathetic....even this movie!

That seems to be the general problem that people associate with Shonen manga. A common gripe with Shonen anime is that it focuses a lot on the events taking place, but not enough on the characters taking part in them. The show/manga will be so dedicated to showing off a good fight, comedic moments, and the scenery so often that they tend to forget that a story usually falls apart if we can't care for the characters affected by what's going on. All potential character development and opportunities to show off the world they interact with is thrown out the window to show off that one overlong fight, and that causes the series as a whole to suffer.

Lorde
27th November 2014, 2:23 AM
Kishibsaid he sucked at romance and apparently its not about pairings. It is about characters and their assassination. Just look how the last two chapters made the characters! It was pathetic....even this movie!

Only Sasuke and Sakura ending up together after all the stuff that happened in Part 2 made me mad tbh. The rest of the conclusion's pairings were tolerable at least.

lolipiece
27th November 2014, 3:47 AM
Sakura x Sasuke gave me Sarada, so I'll just pretend Sakura birthed her through mitosis or something.

greninjamaster
27th November 2014, 3:52 AM
So from articles it seems many people are returning their pre-ordered tickets. That's how ticked off people are by this movie. Sorry this is a horrible recon of the entire manga and its loaded with character assassination.

Naruto is dead, and this movie just gave it the final shovel into the grave.

Flame Haze SnS
27th November 2014, 5:00 AM
So from articles it seems many people are returning their pre-ordered tickets. That's how ticked off people are by this movie. Sorry this is a horrible recon of the entire manga and its loaded with character assassination.

Naruto is dead, and this movie just gave it the final shovel into the grave.

Huh? Where did that come from?

Void Ventus
27th November 2014, 5:02 AM
Sakura x Sasuke gave me Sarada, so I'll just pretend Sakura birthed her through mitosis or something.

But that would mean an EXACT Sakura. At least she doesn't have a sibling. We don't want another Itachi/Sasuke and Madara/Izuna "I LOVEZ U TO, BROSEPH!!" levels of Uchiha love craziness.

Shneak
27th November 2014, 5:10 AM
Ugh, I'm so disappointed over the spoilers. I wanted this to be good since it's the last official Naruto story. Toneri sucks and it all seems like a desperate scramble to tie Naruto and Hinata together when there's apparently nothing there.

I'm hoping it can be redeemed by having the Konoha 12 get some good fight scenes as well as Hokage Kakashi, but with Sasuke only appearing briefly, I have my doubts about the others.

Platinum fan.
27th November 2014, 5:30 AM
Guess I'll give my thoughts on the spoilers. Not much. As far as Naruto's love for Sakura. Really? I know NaruHina is the way you're trying to go but really? As if Sakura couldn't be dragged anymore through the mud. Wasn't hooking up with the man that tried to murder her more then once, punishment enough? And I can't see Hinata ever being mad at Naruto, or holding a grudge in general. Hinata's character just doesn't have it.

Lorde
27th November 2014, 5:35 AM
I actually expected Sasuke to have a bigger role in the movie given how popular he is in general. I guess we won't really get to see what he's done on his solo journey.

Void Ventus
27th November 2014, 8:26 AM
Ugh, I'm so disappointed over the spoilers. I wanted this to be good since it's the last official Naruto story. Toneri sucks and it all seems like a desperate scramble to tie Naruto and Hinata together when there's apparently nothing there.


I'm hoping it can be redeemed by having the Konoha 12 get some good fight scenes as well as Hokage Kakashi, but with Sasuke only appearing briefly, I have my doubts about the others.
Lol like Shino will ever do anything cool anymore. He was left out of the Sasuke Retrieval squad, and he's also not in the Hanabi retrieval squad. You're going to get Naruto, Hinata, Sakura, Shikamaru, and Sai only, and Force yourself to love it.


I actually expected Sasuke to have a bigger role in the movie given how popular he is in general. I guess we won't really get to see what he's done on his solo journey.
Please buy and read our mini-series next year!

phanpycross
28th November 2014, 4:46 PM
Im kinda confused, if that sequel coming out in 2015 a miniseries, or an ongoing following the kids ?

Pokegirl Fan~
28th November 2014, 4:48 PM
Im kinda confused, if that sequel coming out in 2015 a miniseries, or an ongoing following the kids ?

It's a miniseries iirc.

phanpycross
28th November 2014, 5:19 PM
It's a miniseries iirc.

So the movie really is the last naruto story, until the miniseries gets adapted :/

Lorde
28th November 2014, 8:29 PM
I thought the mini-series was following the kids' adventures. Do we even know if Kishi himself is writing it?

Void Ventus
28th November 2014, 9:42 PM
I thought the mini-series was following the kids' adventures. Do we even know if Kishi himself is writing it?

It had Bolt's silhouette, so no doubt there will be a story about him. But I thought there was already a confirmed Kakashi story, with one of Kishi's assistances writing it?

Why did a filler character become Kiba's lover, and how the heck did a filler become a part of the manga? The cat lady in Ch700 is the cat girl from Sasuke's Paw Encyclopedia filler I think.

Lorde
28th November 2014, 9:45 PM
Why did a filler character become Kiba's lover, and how the heck did a filler become a part of the manga? The cat lady in Ch700 is the cat girl from Sasuke's Paw Encyclopedia filler I think.

You mean Tamaki? She appeared in chapter 354 when Sasuke and Team Hebi visited Nekobba to buy supplies.

Void Ventus
28th November 2014, 10:28 PM
You mean Tamaki? She appeared in chapter 354 when Sasuke and Team Hebi visited Nekobba to buy supplies.

Whoa! Gotta read that later. Thanks!

diakyu
29th November 2014, 12:52 AM
I'm sitting here looking at the trailers and I see Naruto fighting on the moon. I'm sold. Screw the shipping.

LightningMaster95
29th November 2014, 2:05 AM
new couple of trailers for the last naruto the movie
http://www.saiyanisland.com/2014/11/the-last-naruto-the-movie-3-new-clips-naruto-vs-toneri-footage/

Nodame
29th November 2014, 3:08 AM
Guess I'll give my thoughts on the spoilers. Not much. As far as Naruto's love for Sakura. Really? I know NaruHina is the way you're trying to go but really? As if Sakura couldn't be dragged anymore through the mud. Wasn't hooking up with the man that tried to murder her more then once, punishment enough? And I can't see Hinata ever being mad at Naruto, or holding a grudge in general. Hinata's character just doesn't have it.

The movie is trying to erase all of the NaruSaku development, Like if Sakura wasn't even in Naruto's life. They're trying to justify NaruHina with this movie. while giving it no development in the manga. I don't care about pairings anymore, but to change Naruto's character is too much. This is what happens when you decide to turn a background character into the main love interest at the last minute. If this is how its going to be. Nobody will like this movie, only the real hardcore NaruHina fans that never cared how exactly Hinata ends up with Naruto, only that she ends up with him.

Lorde
29th November 2014, 3:14 AM
This is what happens when you decide to turn a background character into the main love interest at the last minute.

How was Hinata anything like a background character? She wasn't like Tamaki who only showed up in like one chapter and ended up with Kiba; Hinata was one of the Konoha 11 and we knew that she liked Naruto from around the time that she debuted. I understand that there's sadness over NaruSaku not happening, but Hinata shouldn't be at fault imo.

Pokegirl Fan~
29th November 2014, 3:24 AM
How was Hinata anything like a background character? She wasn't like Tamaki who only showed up in like one chapter and ended up with Kiba; Hinata was one of the Konoha 11 and we knew that she liked Naruto from around the time that she debuted. I understand that there's salt over NaruSaku not happening, but Hinata shouldn't be dissed imo.

I honestly think that none of the shippings should have become canon tbh, as Naruto is an action manga/anime, not a romance manga/anime. Oh well at least we'll get to see what Sasuke's and Sakura's kid will be like in the miniseries.

LightningMaster95
29th November 2014, 3:38 AM
The movie is trying to erase all of the NaruSaku development, Like if Sakura wasn't even in Naruto's life. They're trying to justify NaruHina with this movie. while giving it no development in the manga. I don't care about pairings anymore, but to change Naruto's character is too much. This is what happens when you decide to turn a background character into the main love interest at the last minute. If this is how its going to be. Nobody will like this movie, only the real hardcore NaruHina fans that never cared how exactly Hinata ends up with Naruto, only that she ends up with him.
narusaku and naruhina were in the same boat in the manga and that was a one sided crush(naruto for narusaku and hinata for naruhina) with the other person involved not even seeing the other in a romantic light(sakura only saw naruto as a friend and a teammate while naruto only saw hinata as a close friend)...how was hinata a background character when she developed throughout the manga sure it might not have been as much as people but atleast she grew from being a shy girl who couldnt even talk to her crush into someone that protected him a couple of times...is hinata confessing to naruto development for naruhina if yes please edit your post where you said it had no development in the manga to yes it did have development in the manga

How was Hinata anything like a background character? She wasn't like Tamaki who only showed up in like one chapter and ended up with Kiba; Hinata was one of the Konoha 11 and we knew that she liked Naruto from around the time that she debuted. I understand that there's salt over NaruSaku not happening, but Hinata shouldn't be dissed imo.
thank you

PokeMaster366
29th November 2014, 3:46 AM
The movie is trying to erase all of the NaruSaku development, Like if Sakura wasn't even in Naruto's life. They're trying to justify NaruHina with this movie. while giving it no development in the manga. I don't care about pairings anymore, but to change Naruto's character is too much. This is what happens when you decide to turn a background character into the main love interest at the last minute. If this is how its going to be. Nobody will like this movie, only the real hardcore NaruHina fans that never cared how exactly Hinata ends up with Naruto, only that she ends up with him.

Has anyone told Kishi that he can stop digging now? I'm pretty sure the hole he's digging is big enough for him now.

Anyways, I'm still wondering why he's even bothering with a movie bringing the romance elements of the series into the foreground when he barely bothered to do that for the series in its entirety. Even then, with what I've been hearing about how Naruto mistook Hinata's confession during the Pain arc, I can't help but feel that he was trying too hard to push the relation between the series and the Dragonball series. It almost sounds like he's trying so hard to be like one series that his own show in general just falls apart.

Void Ventus
29th November 2014, 4:10 AM
I honestly think that none of the shippings should have become canon tbh, as Naruto is an action manga/anime, not a romance manga/anime. Oh well at least we'll get to see what Sasuke's and Sakura's kid will be like in the miniseries.

What? Why shouldn't the characters pair up and have children? It's called "progression". Would you rather these characters stay the same forever, and not finally settle down in the times of true peace? This isn't Pokémon where they have to keep Ash young forever because they need to market him for the kids every generation. It's a Shonen manga, so it will be an action fest, but they also have love interests. Naruto may still have feelings for Sakura, but it's been 2 years, and he already knows she's waiting for Sauce. Now that Sakura's out of the equation, he finally starts taking an interest in Hinata, who he notices has liked him since they were children. Keep in mind that they don't even marry and have a children immediately after defeat Toneri. There's a rumor that Ch700 takes place 13 years after either Ch699 or The Last. If it's 13 years after The Last, then that would mean these couples are together for at least 3-5 years (depending on how old their kids are in Ch700, which to me seems 8-10 years old) before having a children.

^DBZ was just horrible at relationships. Chichi forced Goku into marriage, he constantly dies thus leaving his family, and worse of all, he freaking leaves his family to live with Uub at the end of the manga. Despicable. Vegeta and Bulma is like evil Sauce and Sakura, but at least the latter had some kind of development in Part 1.

Red and Blue
29th November 2014, 6:16 AM
narusaku and naruhina were in the same boat in the manga and that was a one sided crush(naruto for narusaku and hinata for naruhina) with the other person involved not even seeing the other in a romantic light(sakura only saw naruto as a friend and a teammate while naruto only saw hinata as a close friend)...how was hinata a background character when she developed throughout the manga sure it might not have been as much as people but atleast she grew from being a shy girl who couldnt even talk to her crush into someone that protected him a couple of times...is hinata confessing to naruto development for naruhina if yes please edit your post where you said it had no development in the manga to yes it did have development in the manga

thank you

But it didn't really develop in the manga. Even when Hinata confessed, we never saw Naruto talk with Hinata about it after Pain's defeat. If you ask me, that should have been the point were Kishimoto should have started to develop their relationship.

Lorde
29th November 2014, 6:23 AM
If you ask me, that should have been the point were Kishimoto should have started to develop their relationship.

What with Sasuke crashing the Gokage Summit and then the war arc happening, I don't see how there would've been any time. I'm grateful that Naruto and Hinata at least held hands before the manga ended.

Red and Blue
29th November 2014, 6:34 AM
What with Sasuke crashing the Gokage Summit and then the war arc happening, I don't see how there would've been any time. I'm grateful that Naruto and Hinata at least held hands before the manga ended.

If Kishimoto was a better writer, he would have given more opportunities for Naruhina moments despite the stuff with Sasuke and the war. At the very least have Naruto speak with Hinata about the confession before the start of the war.

Lorde
29th November 2014, 6:40 AM
If Kishimoto was a better writer, he would have given more opportunities for Naruhina moments despite the stuff with Sasuke and the war. At the very least have Naruto speak with Hinata about the confession before the start of the war.

Well Kishi said himself that he's bad at writing romance anyway. So he probably avoided it on purpose. Romance wasn't completely integral to the plot of the manga anyway.

Joltik-Kid
29th November 2014, 7:24 AM
Worst Naruto movie ever... all because Hinata's senyuu is a superstar in Japan. No more, no less. Minor character somehow gets to shine the most in the title characters final major movie appearance. Gotta laugh Sasuke's only major role in a Naruto movie was Clash in the Land of Snow (the 1st movie)

Red and Blue
29th November 2014, 7:33 AM
Worst Naruto movie ever... all because Hinata's senyuu is a superstar in Japan. No more, no less. Minor character somehow gets to shine the most in the title characters final major movie appearance. Gotta laugh Sasuke's only major role in a Naruto movie was Clash in the Land of Snow (the 1st movie)

She's not a minor character though. She's a member of the konoha 11 and had a lot of important moments. Minor characters would be the ramen guy and Konohamaru's friends

Joltik-Kid
29th November 2014, 7:53 AM
She's not a minor character though. She's a member of the konoha 11 and had a lot of important moments. Minor characters would be the ramen guy and Konohamaru's friends
Name 5 important moments Hinata had in the manga... You have Chunin Examn as in the Naruto vs Neji fight, you have the Pain Arc when saving Naruto, and you have The War Arc where she quickly ignored Neji's death to comfort a sullen Naruto. Give me two more, but being in of a group that was only formed in a filler arc in the anime does not make one important to the overall story which was about Naruto and Team 7 mind you.

diakyu
29th November 2014, 7:57 AM
You have Chunin Examn as in the Naruto vs Neji fight
No love for Hinata vs Neji? Seemed pretty important to me. And I feel her stepping in between Pain and Naruto is a pretty big moment eclipsing most of the actions of the other Konoha 11. Then there's the fact that Naruto might have caved to Tobi if Hinata hadn't stopped him later in the war. She's easily one of the more important members of the group. Certainty more useful than Sakura at some points.

But to be perfectly honest NarutoxHinata was a lock the day Hinata showed up and she was a blushing wreck around Naruto, that and the fact that Sakura has life-threatening fixation on Sasuke. It couldn't be Sakura, so what's the problem with Hinata?

Void Ventus
29th November 2014, 8:12 AM
Worst Naruto movie ever... all because Hinata's senyuu is a superstar in Japan. No more, no less. Minor character somehow gets to shine the most in the title characters final major movie appearance. Gotta laugh Sasuke's only major role in a Naruto movie was Clash in the Land of Snow (the 1st movie)

Go read Hiashi's Master Plan, and soak in the glorious conspiracy theory.

Joltik-Kid
29th November 2014, 8:13 AM
No love for Hinata vs Neji? Seemed pretty important to me. And I feel her stepping in between Pain and Naruto is a pretty big moment eclipsing most of the actions of the other Konoha 11. Then there's the fact that Naruto might have caved to Tobi if Hinata hadn't stopped him later in the war. She's easily one of the more important members of the group.
Who was more important in that fight? Not Hinata because it set up the Naruto vs Neji fight, which result in Naruto claiming destiny is a load of boloney, didn't even think of Hinata after winning. I don't know how Hinata practically committing suicide is more important then Sakura literally beating Naruto's heart with her own hand, but your closing sentence speaks volumes. And yet her cousin died right in front of her... yet Naruto is the one breaking down? How is that good for her character again? You're actually proud she was heartless about her own family...


Certainty more useful than Sakura at some points.
Sakura appeared in almost every chapter... Hinata became nonexistent after the Chunin Exams till the Pain Arc. Right, clearly Sakura was the worst because it's cool to hate on her, because she's just so hatable for no reason for always being on panel. Good old lousy useless Sakura who helped beat one of the most powerful villains in the Narutoverse while Hinata was left daydreaming of sitting in a park bench next to Naruto while her dead cousin and her sister were watching. Yup she didn't do a damn thing that pink haired one... People like you make me sick diakyu

Red and Blue
29th November 2014, 8:23 AM
^But Hinata wasn't being heartless to her family. She was clearly upset about Neji's death. You didn't see the tears on her face? The reason she didn't seem as upset as Naruto was is because there was still a war going on and she had to get through to Naruto

Lorde
29th November 2014, 8:26 AM
Sakura appeared in almost every chapter...

Yes and yet she only had a few highlights throughout the whole manga. The fact that she was a main character but spent more time fretting about Sasuke than doing her share of fighting doesn't exactly help her case. She was as bad as Hinata imo.

diakyu
29th November 2014, 8:28 AM
. And yet her cousin died right in front of her... yet Naruto is the one breaking down? How is that good for her character again? You're actually proud she was heartless about her own family...
You do know I'm not arguing Hinata was more important than Sakura right? She's one of the three main characters (four if you count Kakashi), I'm just saying out of the konoha 11 she's one of the more important ones. Naruto was the one about to break down if Hinata hadn't slapped him. Hinata had already cried for him before Obitio decided to give Naruto a hard time about protecting his friends. She didn't want Neji's words (and his sacrifice) to go to waste.


Sakura appeared in almost every chapter... Hinata became nonexistent after the Chunin Exams till the Pain Arc. Right, clearly Sakura was the worst because it's cool to hate on her, because she's just so hatable for no reason for always being on panel. Good old lousy useless Sakura who helped beat one of the most powerful villains in the Narutoverse while Hinata was left daydreaming of sitting in a park bench next to Naruto while her dead cousin and her sister were watching. Yup she didn't do a damn thing that pink haired one... People like you make me sick diakyu
Whoa now, it was really only a joke. I don't hate the character, just her attraction with Sasuke and how it did more harm than good. It comes off as detrimental to her character.

greninjamaster
29th November 2014, 8:28 AM
Who was more important in that fight? Not Hinata because it set up the Naruto vs Neji fight, which result in Naruto claiming destiny is a load of boloney, didn't even think of Hinata after winning. I don't know how Hinata practically committing suicide is more important then Sakura literally beating Naruto's heart with her own hand, but your closing sentence speaks volumes. And yet her cousin died right in front of her... yet Naruto is the one breaking down? How is that good for her character again? You're actually proud she was heartless about her own family...


Sakura appeared in almost every chapter... Hinata became nonexistent after the Chunin Exams till the Pain Arc. Right, clearly Sakura was the worst because it's cool to hate on her, because she's just so hatable for no reason for always being on panel. Good old lousy useless Sakura who helped beat one of the most powerful villains in the Narutoverse while Hinata was left daydreaming of sitting in a park bench next to Naruto while her dead cousin and her sister were watching. Yup she didn't do a damn thing that pink haired one... People like you make me sick diakyu

I don't care for shipping but yeah Hinata was a pretty useless character the entire manga that had barely any development nor did she grow.

Sakura also digressed but that's not her fault. Kishi never allowed her to branch away from her obsession with Sasuke as a child. See apparently in Kishi's world if a woman loves a man when their 10-11 years old then she's gonna love that man for her entire life. Yes because THAT'S realistic.

What they did in the movie to Naruto to make him compatible with Hinata was absolute character assassination to the extreme. Even going so far as to say his love for Sakura stemmed from his rivalry with Sasuke. Even I know that's a load of horse manure and Kishi just needed desperately to convey NH. He epically failed from what I'm hearing because the only people that will be pleased with this movie are the NH fans and there's not many of those in Japan. Meanwhile everybody else including non-shippers such as myself will despise the movie.

Void Ventus
29th November 2014, 9:01 AM
I don't care for shipping but yeah Hinata was a pretty useless character the entire manga that had barely any development nor did she grow.

Sakura also digressed but that's not her fault. Kishi never allowed her to branch away from her obsession with Sasuke as a child. See apparently in Kishi's world if a woman loves a man when their 10-11 years old then she's gonna love that man for her entire life. Yes because THAT'S realistic.

What they did in the movie to Naruto to make him compatible with Hinata was absolute character assassination to the extreme. Even going so far as to say his love for Sakura stemmed from his rivalry with Sasuke. Even I know that's a load of horse manure and Kishi just needed desperately to convey NH. He epically failed from what I'm hearing because the only people that will be pleased with this movie are the NH fans and there's not many of those in Japan. Meanwhile everybody else including non-shippers such as myself will despise the movie.

I don't know. Maybe you should, ehh funny idea, actually watch the movie before saying something so bold? The movie seems to be getting positive reception from people who've actually seen preview screenings, while hate from everyone else. Look at the timeline btw. Lots of things can happen in 2 years. Part 1 and Part 2 combined doesn't even span throughout two years, more like 1 1/2 years.

Nodame
29th November 2014, 10:31 AM
How was Hinata anything like a background character? She wasn't like Tamaki who only showed up in like one chapter and ended up with Kiba; Hinata was one of the Konoha 11 and we knew that she liked Naruto from around the time that she debuted. I understand that there's sadness over NaruSaku not happening, but Hinata shouldn't be at fault imo.

Background/side/minor character, they're all the same to me. So just because she "loves" Naruto means that she should be getting a whole movie dictated to her love life? I dont like Hinata because it's all the time shoved in my face, everyone it's always all the time; hinata, hinata hinata. Because hinata this and hinata that. What pisses me off the most is the fact that they are treating her like a heroine in this movie. She's replacing Sakura's role. Heck Sakura never even got her own movie and she's the heroine. The NaruHina undertones I could live with that, I'm still pissed off that they're focusing too much on Hinata while leaving Sakura in the dust. I'm disappointed, Whether it's from seeing Hinata plastered everywhere or the thought of how Naruto gave up on Sakura or Kishi's latest interview...contradictions everywhere.


She was as bad as Hinata imo.
They both suck when it comes to their crush, but i prefer Sakura's fiery, tsundere and dynamic personality over Hinata's shy one.



Worst Naruto movie ever... all because Hinata's senyuu is a superstar in Japan. No more, no less. Minor character somehow gets to shine the most in the title characters final major movie appearance. Gotta laugh Sasuke's only major role in a Naruto movie was Clash in the Land of Snow (the 1st movie)

"The scarf: Naruto-kun the movie" even the scarf has more screen time than Sasuke and Sakura. Be prepared to be dazzled by Hinata and Hanabi non existent sisterly bond that was never shown in 700 chapters.

Platinum fan.
29th November 2014, 4:32 PM
Whoa! It's Hinata vs Sakura on the forums. Hope I'm not too late to jump in :)

This is why I'm glad to be on Team Ino, even though she gets less then either, lol.

Anyway about this Sakura vs Hinata thing. Both pretty much are lacking. Hinata's problem for me isn't her writing. She's a important side character but still a side character. My frustration with Hinata is how overrated she is. This is more of a fanbase thing. In part 1, I was totally fine with Hinata's crush on Naruto, because of the reason of why she had it, it made sense. She liked Naruto, because he inspires her to want to change and be worth something and prove it to the rest of her family. That's cool. Then part 2 comes along and it's like Hinata's crush on Naruto becomes the typical "Oh he's cute" crush thing, and this sorta turned me off to the crush. I did enjoy Hinata coming to Naruto's rescue in the Pain battle. I think that was a shining moment for Hinata, even though she got taken down in one blow. The fight performance wasn't important, it was the reason behind it. Even Hinata knew she'd be killed in this fight and didn't care. Hinata's okay but very overrated. I have no problem with them doing NaruHina, but to erase what Naruto had with Sakura for it is downright disrespectful, and a punch in the gut to poor Sakura.

I've already covered Sakura's flaws. We all know them. No reason for me to repeat all of them. I'll just say, she's not much better off then Hinata. Sakura was a character I did like. Not one of my favorites, but to see what Kishi has done to her is sad. Yeah she was in nearly every chapter, but half the time you could have taken her out and the story would have progressed exactly the same. She added nothing to the Sasuke arc, or the process of "saving" Sasuke either. Sakura to me is a character who should have felt more important then she actually was. She deserved much better then what she ended up with.

Those are my thoughts on Hinata and Sakura. Feel free to agree or disagree.

Nodame
29th November 2014, 4:38 PM
I have no problem with them doing NaruHina, but to erase what Naruto had with Sakura for it is downright disrespectful, and a punch in the gut to poor Sakura..

God bless this post. Thank you. Naruto's love for Sakura is excused as an only being a product of his "rivalry" with Sasuke and his first real, true love is Hinata, even though scenes like the PoaL, SS hospital hug, asking her out on dates, blushing moments, databooks, and Sai's words clearly outright said otherwise. And poor Sakura actually supports this idea, despite the fact she instantly believed Sai when he told her Naruto loved her and even cried tears of guilt over it LOL. It's official. You don't even need to be a neutral fan to see how bad this movie looks.

LightningMaster95
29th November 2014, 4:40 PM
But it didn't really develop in the manga. Even when Hinata confessed, we never saw Naruto talk with Hinata about it after Pain's defeat. If you ask me, that should have been the point were Kishimoto should have started to develop their relationship.
im saying that it did develop the person i quoted said it did not develop in the manga...well with them going after his best friend to kill him,sasuke attacking the gokage summit,akatsuki going after the bijuu,preparing for a world war, becoming the main force for the war...please tell me at which exact point should he have developed their relationship

If Kishimoto was a better writer, he would have given more opportunities for Naruhina moments despite the stuff with Sasuke and the war. At the very least have Naruto speak with Hinata about the confession before the start of the war.
Naruto the manga is a fighting/comedy shonen manga where its suppose to be filled with action and funny bits that is aimed at teenage boys in japan....so kishimoto did do his job as a good writer and for the romantic parts seeing as how its not important to the overall manga i can see why he chose not to develop any ship as much as he could have

mew 2000
29th November 2014, 5:40 PM
Background/side/minor character, they're all the same to me. So just because she "loves" Naruto means that she should be getting a whole movie dictated to her love life? I dont like Hinata because it's all the time shoved in my face, everyone it's always all the time; hinata, hinata hinata. Because hinata this and hinata that. What pisses me off the most is the fact that they are treating her like a heroine in this movie. She's replacing Sakura's role. Heck Sakura never even got her own movie and she's the heroine. The NaruHina undertones I could live with that, I'm still pissed off that they're focusing too much on Hinata while leaving Sakura in the dust. I'm disappointed, Whether it's from seeing Hinata plastered everywhere or the thought of how Naruto gave up on Sakura or Kishi's latest interview...contradictions everywhere.


They both suck when it comes to their crush, but i prefer Sakura's fiery, tsundere and dynamic personality over Hinata's shy one.




"The scarf: Naruto-kun the movie" even the scarf has more screen time than Sasuke and Sakura. Be prepared to be dazzled by Hinata and Hanabi non existent sisterly bond that was never shown in 700 chapters.

Well kishi chose the ships and the movie is meant to cover how they happen, so of course hinata the girl who ends up with the main character will be the main heroine in the flim, I also expect choji and karui to be explained and sai and ino.

Frankly people alittle to pissed about the pairings they happened peoples feelings for one another change ( and over a course of unseen 10 years naruto could have easily stopped liking sakura especially since she doesn't even thank him for saving sasuke and wanting to run off with him again) the pairings that happened happened and the movie is to show how they happened.

edit: isn't sakuras movie the road to ninja one?

also who'd want a movie based around the second worst female in the show ( 1st worst is karin duh)

LightningMaster95
29th November 2014, 5:44 PM
Sakura appeared in almost every chapter... Hinata became nonexistent after the Chunin Exams till the Pain Arc. Right, clearly Sakura was the worst because it's cool to hate on her, because she's just so hatable for no reason for always being on panel. Good old lousy useless Sakura who helped beat one of the most powerful villains in the Narutoverse while Hinata was left daydreaming of sitting in a park bench next to Naruto while her dead cousin and her sister were watching. Yup she didn't do a damn thing that pink haired one... People like you make me sick diakyu
in all of those chapter what did she accomplish by herself exactly?
1.she defeated sasori by herself...oh wait she had help from chiyo who pulled most of the weight in that fight
2.tries to calm down naruto in kyubbi mode...gets blown away
3.attacks sasuke but hold on she gets saved by yamato
4.tries to help naruto during training makes him food that he cant even eat
5.helps heal people during the pain arc after she is told to (shouldve been her first priority)
6.punches the person who saved her and the village
7.tells naruto not to save sasuke but cries and still makes him go instead of doing it herself
8.sasuke about to kill sakura...as the main heroine she should be able to defend her self right? oh wait kakashi saves her
9. sakura is about to save sasuke by poisoning and killing him...oh wait she gets saved from a blind guy by naruto
10.during the war arc all she does is heal
11. cant save neji
12.gets saved by kakashi from the ten tails sticks
13.summons a slug yeyyyyy...and says she can heal anyone
14.tries to save shikamaru...she does oh wait that was naruto and his chakra
15.she beat obito...oh wait that was naruto sasuke and the hokages i dont remember her doing anything against obito
16.she revived naruto after he lost kuruma...oh wait that was gaara and minato
17.she destroyed obito/madara rennigan with all that time she had...oh wait didnt
18.was saved from madara by obito
19.attacks madara without thinking...and she ko madara oh wait no she didnt she got saved by sasuke afteer her punch didnt land
20.was a major force in defeating madara...oh wait that was naruto sasuke and black zetsu
21.fights off infinite tysukyomi by herself...oh wait she gets saved from it by sasuke
22.saves her self from being boiled in lava...oh no she didnt that was kakashi
23.kaguya attacks sakura she defends her self oh wait that was kakashi's susannoo who defends her
24.punches kaguya by herself without no one distracting kaguya...damn sasuke and naruto distracted her in order for sakura to punch her
25.she totally stopped naruto and sasuke from fighting...oh wait she got put into genjutsu by sasuke

please give me atleast 25 highlights that sakura did by herself only...not with any help from naruto sasuke kakashi chiyo etc... than maybe i will respect her please keep the highlights from part 2

Pokegirl Fan~
29th November 2014, 5:51 PM
I really think Kishimoto should have left out all the shippings since he's apparently not good at writing them. I mean none of the shippings even make sense imo, especially Choji's and Kiba's wives. The only ones that even had anything going for them was NarutoxHinata and SasukexSakura, and still it still comes off as bad writing imho :x
Oh well, hopefully the miniseries will be alot better, I really don't have much hope for the movie besides the scenes Sasuke is in as the plot sounds horrible :x

Red and Blue
29th November 2014, 6:58 PM
im saying that it did develop the person i quoted said it did not develop in the manga...well with them going after his best friend to kill him,sasuke attacking the gokage summit,akatsuki going after the bijuu,preparing for a world war, becoming the main force for the war...please tell me at which exact point should he have developed their relationship

Naruto the manga is a fighting/comedy shonen manga where its suppose to be filled with action and funny bits that is aimed at teenage boys in japan....so kishimoto did do his job as a good writer and for the romantic parts seeing as how its not important to the overall manga i can see why he chose not to develop any ship as much as he could have

1. Dude, I just answered in my second post how Kishmimoto could have developed Naruhina after the war.

2. Romance was cleary important in the manga even if it was secondary to the plot. You can see that with the pairings at the end. If Naruto was to end up with Hinata and Sakura with Sasuke, then he should have DEVELOPED it in the manga. Given us a good reason why those characters ended up together. To say that Kishimoto should have glossed over that and focused more on action is total BS and really proves it in the epilogue.

PokeMaster366
29th November 2014, 7:21 PM
What with Sasuke crashing the Gokage Summit and then the war arc happening, I don't see how there would've been any time. I'm grateful that Naruto and Hinata at least held hands before the manga ended.

He could've gone to see Hinata after the incident at the summit. Hinata could've still been hospitalized or still reeling from Pain's massacre, and after hearing that she's still down after taking care of business at the summit (or maybe even before he hears about Sasuke attacking Killer Bee). Naruto and Hinata could've had a moment while he was visiting, and then, when they're about to kiss, the Mountain Toads could be complete blockers by summoning Naruto and having him kiss either that one frog's cooking or one of the frogs in general.

Lorde
29th November 2014, 8:57 PM
The only ones that even had anything going for them was NarutoxHinata and SasukexSakura, and still it still comes off as bad writing imho :x

That's true, especially the latter. Sakura ending up with the same guy who once tried to kill her was the worst offence imo. I'd rather have seen her single than with Sasuke.

lolipiece
29th November 2014, 9:08 PM
There's far better choices than Sasuke.

Like Lee. Or Kiba. Or Neji's corpse.

Void Ventus
29th November 2014, 9:21 PM
There's far better choices than Sasuke.

Like Lee. Or Kiba. Or Neji's corpse.
Years and years ago, I always wanted Lee to end up with Sakura. A determined and hardworking beast like him definitely deserved the girl, but hopefully the kid is his, and he found a MUCH BETTER wife than Sakura. Although if he got Sakura, he would have also scored jackpot either way, as she can look in her 20s even when she finally gets to her near 70s, just like Tsunade.

Lorde
29th November 2014, 9:27 PM
I wanted Sakura and Lee to get together a while back, but there just wasn't enough chemistry between them in my view. I felt that he was better off with Tenten; not sure if that even happened though.

Platinum fan.
29th November 2014, 9:35 PM
I forgot Lee had a thing for Sakura. It was such a minor and forgettable part of his character. It's funny how Sakura had numerous guys hit on her, yet no other female in Konoha even gets looked at.Tenten, Ino, and Hinata, never had guys flirt with them. Sasuke had flocks of groupies, Sakura had guys over her, and Naruto had one timid weird person...his words not mine. Yet Naruto turned out the best of that bunch. Go figure.

greninjamaster
30th November 2014, 1:10 AM
I don't know. Maybe you should, ehh funny idea, actually watch the movie before saying something so bold? The movie seems to be getting positive reception from people who've actually seen preview screenings, while hate from everyone else. Look at the timeline btw. Lots of things can happen in 2 years. Part 1 and Part 2 combined doesn't even span throughout two years, more like 1 1/2 years.

Oh yeah you know what's an even funnier idea? Killing characters just to make stupid relationships actually plausible like Naruto.

No way in hell would Naruto misinterpret Hinata's confession of love to him to the same he he loves ramen. That is absolutely ludicrous. Naruto has NEVER been emotionally slow to realizing things. No way is Naruto's love for Sakura solely based on his rivalry with Sasuke. The movie wants us to believe that but 600+ chapters in the manga and many moments contradict that statement very clearly.

Also fun fact for you, people whom have seen the movie have said if you don't like NH or romance you will NOT like this movie. This movie is a shouju, a badly written one at that.

I do not like romance in Shonen movies, so I know I will not like this movie.

Basically that leaves NH as the only people that will enjoy this movie. SS shippers get nothing, Sasuke fans get a cameo appearance, Hinata is shoved in our faces the entire movie after being irrelevant for the entire manga, Sakura is downgraded to ship fodder for NH, and somebody that does not care about the romances in Naruto which I'm pretty sure is a heavy margin will also not like the movie. Not to mention before the movie you have to sit through a 40+ minute FILLER episode explaining the connection w/ Hinata and Hanabi. IDC about this crap. Hinata never really even referenced her in the manga. The fact that they need a movie to show this "bond" is a flipping joke.

This movie is bluntly telling us that Kishi sold out big time. That's why it's two hours, and in those two hours he's going to kill Naruto's character completely. Just for the sake of getting him with the creepy stalker.

LightningMaster95
30th November 2014, 3:20 AM
wait i hav heard two different things concerning the special viewing and they were 1. it was only a 30 min viewing and 2. it was the actual full movie

Void Ventus
30th November 2014, 4:28 AM
I forgot Lee had a thing for Sakura. It was such a minor and forgettable part of his character. It's funny how Sakura had numerous guys hit on her, yet no other female in Konoha even gets looked at.Tenten, Ino, and Hinata, never had guys flirt with them. Sasuke had flocks of groupies, Sakura had guys over her, and Naruto had one timid weird person...his words not mine. Yet Naruto turned out the best of that bunch. Go figure.
I don't know if the dude just read it wrong and translated it differently, but it seems in The Last there's going to be a scene where a dude either is flirting with Ino, harassing her, or trying to rape her. Sai then comes in and saves her, and that's where their relationship begins.

By the time Neji stopped being all "Mah Destiny!", I thought he would hook up with Tenten by the end. Too bad he died TEH LOLZ Neji could have also shacked up with Hinata, what with keeping the bloodline pure, even if he was in the side branch.


Oh yeah you know what's an even funnier idea? Killing characters just to make stupid relationships actually plausible like Naruto.

No way in hell would Naruto misinterpret Hinata's confession of love to him to the same he he loves ramen. That is absolutely ludicrous. Naruto has NEVER been emotionally slow to realizing things. No way is Naruto's love for Sakura solely based on his rivalry with Sasuke. The movie wants us to believe that but 600+ chapters in the manga and many moments contradict that statement very clearly.

Also fun fact for you, people whom have seen the movie have said if you don't like NH or romance you will NOT like this movie. This movie is a shouju, a badly written one at that.

I do not like romance in Shonen movies, so I know I will not like this movie.

Basically that leaves NH as the only people that will enjoy this movie. SS shippers get nothing, Sasuke fans get a cameo appearance, Hinata is shoved in our faces the entire movie after being irrelevant for the entire manga, Sakura is downgraded to ship fodder for NH, and somebody that does not care about the romances in Naruto which I'm pretty sure is a heavy margin will also not like the movie. Not to mention before the movie you have to sit through a 40+ minute FILLER episode explaining the connection w/ Hinata and Hanabi. IDC about this crap. Hinata never really even referenced her in the manga. The fact that they need a movie to show this "bond" is a flipping joke.

This movie is bluntly telling us that Kishi sold out big time. That's why it's two hours, and in those two hours he's going to kill Naruto's character completely. Just for the sake of getting him with the creepy stalker.
This is another Otsutsuki. We don't know what happened in the 2-year skip yet, but it seems the world has been in peace since then. Naruto might be a wee bit rusty back then. It seems Toneri takes away Nard's and Sauce's powers during this movie. Raise the stakes, and kill off Karin, 15, and Oro.

Haha okay Naruto confusing Hinata's confession for Ramen is pretty freaking stupid. Maybe I missed it, but when was it confirmed Naruto's love for Sakura only based on his rivalry with Sauce? I've been saying this forever, but just think of Naruto's relationship to Sakura as a crush. Naruto has KNOWN that Sakura loved Sasuke since part 1. Heck, the Sasuke Retrieval part was two goals for Naruto. One was to bring his best friend and rival back to the Leaf, and the other to keep his promise to Sakura. Also, he clearly said he doesn't understand women on the day he turned 17. He may still have had feelings for Sakura in The Last, but then again, there are people in real life who are oblivious to signs of another girl who clearly likes you. Sakura pushes Hinata to actually confront Naruto, and whether that story is actually good or not depends on whether you care about this development.

Don't like the movie? Too bad. Kishi has made it clear the movie is a romance movie, and has put Hinata in the forefront, and the Hyuuga lineage actually gets mention again for the first time since Part 1 (well, Kaguya had the Byakugan, but no mention of the Hyuuga clan). Must be disappointing to people who don't care about NaruHina, but there's Naruto fighting on the moon. Isn't that what you came for? Brightly clad orange jumpsuit wearing Space Ninjas?



wait i hav heard two different things concerning the special viewing and they were 1. it was only a 30 min viewing and 2. it was the actual full movie
Yup, same. Some people are only talking about the 30min preview screening, yet there are others talking about the ending. Unless the 30 min preview is the full movie, but only showing the very important scenes, which coincidentally adds up to 30 minutes?

greninjamaster
30th November 2014, 11:29 PM
I don't know if the dude just read it wrong and translated it differently, but it seems in The Last there's going to be a scene where a dude either is flirting with Ino, harassing her, or trying to rape her. Sai then comes in and saves her, and that's where their relationship begins.

By the time Neji stopped being all "Mah Destiny!", I thought he would hook up with Tenten by the end. Too bad he died TEH LOLZ Neji could have also shacked up with Hinata, what with keeping the bloodline pure, even if he was in the side branch.


This is another Otsutsuki. We don't know what happened in the 2-year skip yet, but it seems the world has been in peace since then. Naruto might be a wee bit rusty back then. It seems Toneri takes away Nard's and Sauce's powers during this movie. Raise the stakes, and kill off Karin, 15, and Oro.

Haha okay Naruto confusing Hinata's confession for Ramen is pretty freaking stupid. Maybe I missed it, but when was it confirmed Naruto's love for Sakura only based on his rivalry with Sauce? I've been saying this forever, but just think of Naruto's relationship to Sakura as a crush. Naruto has KNOWN that Sakura loved Sasuke since part 1. Heck, the Sasuke Retrieval part was two goals for Naruto. One was to bring his best friend and rival back to the Leaf, and the other to keep his promise to Sakura. Also, he clearly said he doesn't understand women on the day he turned 17. He may still have had feelings for Sakura in The Last, but then again, there are people in real life who are oblivious to signs of another girl who clearly likes you. Sakura pushes Hinata to actually confront Naruto, and whether that story is actually good or not depends on whether you care about this development.

Don't like the movie? Too bad. Kishi has made it clear the movie is a romance movie, and has put Hinata in the forefront, and the Hyuuga lineage actually gets mention again for the first time since Part 1 (well, Kaguya had the Byakugan, but no mention of the Hyuuga clan). Must be disappointing to people who don't care about NaruHina, but there's Naruto fighting on the moon. Isn't that what you came for? Brightly clad orange jumpsuit wearing Space Ninjas?


Yeah and guess what that is what makes this movie garbage. The fact that you need a MOVIE to understand the development of a pairing just goes to show how poorly developed that coupling is. The MANGA is supposed to tell your story, not a freaking movie.

If Naruto only loved Sakura because of his rivalry w/ Sasuke then there are about 600+ chapters of development and canon facts that contradict that statement twofold even the most recent thing with Naruto telling his father that Sakura was his girlfriend which led to his father saying Sakura reminds him of Kushina.

This final movie should be about Team 7, not irrelevant useless stalker girl magically becoming relevant w/ a very rushed and poorly developed romance at the centerfold. This has box office flop written all over it. Not to mention it only caters to NH fans, nobody else but them and that is proof that Kishi sold out. Nobody else but those fans will enjoy this movie and I guess those fans don't care to see the actual development between their coupling since it's all gonna be rushed in a 2 hour movie no less.

Bravo Kishi, bravo. In a 2 hour movie he's managed to assassinate Naruto's character all for the sake of getting him with "Naruto-kun" Hinata.

PokeMaster366
30th November 2014, 11:38 PM
Yeah and guess what that is what makes this movie garbage. The fact that you need a MOVIE to understand the development of a pairing just goes to show how poorly developed that coupling is. The MANGA is supposed to tell your story, not a freaking movie.

This final movie should be about Team 7, not irrelevant useless stalker girl magically becoming relevant.

Or, to put it more generally, development of plot points and characters should take place in the source material, not add-ons. Anything new that is learned through add-ons (movies and anime fillers in the case of Naruto) should be no more than flavor text that won't have much impact on the main story and how events unfold within it.

BJack
1st December 2014, 3:27 PM
Yeah and guess what that is what makes this movie garbage. The fact that you need a MOVIE to understand the development of a pairing just goes to show how poorly developed that coupling is. The MANGA is supposed to tell your story, not a freaking movie.

If Naruto only loved Sakura because of his rivalry w/ Sasuke then there are about 600+ chapters of development and canon facts that contradict that statement twofold even the most recent thing with Naruto telling his father that Sakura was his girlfriend which led to his father saying Sakura reminds him of Kushina.

This final movie should be about Team 7, not irrelevant useless stalker girl magically becoming relevant w/ a very rushed and poorly developed romance at the centerfold. This has box office flop written all over it. Not to mention it only caters to NH fans, nobody else but them and that is proof that Kishi sold out. Nobody else but those fans will enjoy this movie and I guess those fans don't care to see the actual development between their coupling since it's all gonna be rushed in a 2 hour movie no less.

Bravo Kishi, bravo. In a 2 hour movie he's managed to assassinate Naruto's character all for the sake of getting him with "Naruto-kun" Hinata.

He already did that when he made Naruto a descendant of a god when Naruto's character was all about hard work and his own "ninja path". But nope, it's only bad when it's about shipping even if Naruto writing always have been mediocre :rolleyes:

Red and Blue
1st December 2014, 5:53 PM
He already did that when he made Naruto a descendant of a god when Naruto's character was all about hard work and his own "ninja path". But nope, it's only bad when it's about shipping even if Naruto writing always have been mediocre :rolleyes:

To be fair, Naruto wasn't always mediocre. It was at its best during part 1. The series only started to decline in quality in part 2

phanpycross
1st December 2014, 6:31 PM
Yeah Naruto defo wasnt always bad, part 1 was really good, and the beginning of shippuden defo has promise.

Granted that I know jack about the manga, but I can defo approve of the anime version.

Jb
1st December 2014, 7:08 PM
Naruto peaked at the Chunin Exams, then down in quality, hit it's highest peak during the Akatsuki ending with the Pain Arc and took a nose dive it never recovered from

Platinum fan.
1st December 2014, 7:28 PM
Naruto peaked at the Chunin Exams, then down in quality, hit it's highest peak during the Akatsuki ending with the Pain Arc and took a nose dive it never recovered from

I wouldn't say it peaked at the Chunin Exams. A lot of good stuff came after the Chunin Exams. Rasengan training, the introduction of the Akatsuki, The Sasuke Retrieval arc. I will say the series did peak at the Pain Invasion arc. After that, they should have been wrapping the series up.

pwnswitchclik
1st December 2014, 8:00 PM
Everyone, or at least almost everyone here is "repeat" commenting on the downfall of the Naruto series at one point of the manga or another with the movie as being some sort of final nail on its coffin

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And I'm just sitting here, waiting for the movie to come out and judge the franchise after it does.

Lorde
1st December 2014, 8:35 PM
I wouldn't say it peaked at the Chunin Exams. A lot of good stuff came after the Chunin Exams. Rasengan training, the introduction of the Akatsuki, The Sasuke Retrieval arc. I will say the series did peak at the Pain Invasion arc. After that, they should have been wrapping the series up.

I agree that it peaked after Pain's arc. I mean the Gokage Summit arc and start of the war arc was good in my opinion, but the series hit a wall for me personally around that time.

Void Ventus
1st December 2014, 10:04 PM
Yeah and guess what that is what makes this movie garbage. The fact that you need a MOVIE to understand the development of a pairing just goes to show how poorly developed that coupling is. The MANGA is supposed to tell your story, not a freaking movie.

If Naruto only loved Sakura because of his rivalry w/ Sasuke then there are about 600+ chapters of development and canon facts that contradict that statement twofold even the most recent thing with Naruto telling his father that Sakura was his girlfriend which led to his father saying Sakura reminds him of Kushina.

This final movie should be about Team 7, not irrelevant useless stalker girl magically becoming relevant w/ a very rushed and poorly developed romance at the centerfold. This has box office flop written all over it. Not to mention it only caters to NH fans, nobody else but them and that is proof that Kishi sold out. Nobody else but those fans will enjoy this movie and I guess those fans don't care to see the actual development between their coupling since it's all gonna be rushed in a 2 hour movie no less.

Bravo Kishi, bravo. In a 2 hour movie he's managed to assassinate Naruto's character all for the sake of getting him with "Naruto-kun" Hinata.

Kishi saying he's bad at romance which is why NaruHina isn't develop so well is a dumb excuse, I'll give you that. But he's left enough hints. Sakura being a parallel to Kushina, Kushina telling Naruto to find a girl just like her, and Naruto telling Minato that he'll find someone like Kushina were also equally dumb salt rubbings and causing unnecessary shipping war ammunition is also idiotic, but we all saw Sakura in Ch699. She went back to having a huge thirst for the Sauce. I personally would have liked if the movie was also sometime after Sasuke got back to the village, and we saw Team 7 as a team for one last time, but they can do that anytime. The movie is only 2 years after 699, and 11-13 years before 700. Just like how Dragonball is now having canon movies (Resurrection of Frieza being the second one coming next year) in the 10 year skip, Naruto can also do the same. Lots of story to tell in that gap. Also, box office flop? Lololol yeah right. This movie has a space ninja battle.

Like I said, why not wait until you've actually seen the movie? I bet you're gonna watch it online for free anyways when the Bluray releases sometime in March or April. If you hated the movie, at least you didn't spend a single cent, unless you're one of those unlucky people who still have a bandwidth cap.


He already did that when he made Naruto a descendant of a god when Naruto's character was all about hard work and his own "ninja path". But nope, it's only bad when it's about shipping even if Naruto writing always have been mediocre :rolleyes:
Transmigrant of Ashura, not a descendant (although descendant of the Uzumaki clan). Naruto always had Kurama since he was just a few hours old. Kurama has always helped him. If he wasn't Ashura reincarnated, Talk-No-Jutsu would have never worked. The Pain arc was so good because it also had Naruto training with his own strength since Part 1, unlike when he was learning Rasenshuriken, where he had to constantly borrow chakra from Kurama.


I wouldn't say it peaked at the Chunin Exams. A lot of good stuff came after the Chunin Exams. Rasengan training, the introduction of the Akatsuki, The Sasuke Retrieval arc. I will say the series did peak at the Pain Invasion arc. After that, they should have been wrapping the series up.
Sasuke Retrieval arc was boss. Shame Shino "went on a different mission", but the fights were so good. Even the anime was great, except for the constant flashbacks in Naruto vs Sasuke. Hidan and Kakuzu arc was also great, even if Choji and Ino were basically useless. And it did wrap up after the Pain arc. There were only the Gokage Summit and the 4th (5th?) Great Ninja War after that. Problem was, the war went on for 3 years.

Lorde
1st December 2014, 10:34 PM
I personally didn't care much for the Sasuke Retrieval arc tbh, mostly because some of the fights were so long; Neji's fight with Kidomaru lasted almost a whole volume iirc. The pacing was just off, although I liked seeing Choji reveal his power-up via those pills.

DANdotW
1st December 2014, 10:34 PM
One thing that keeps cropping up is the statement "This movie only caters to NH fans; it is proof Kishi sold out!". Okay...this is just a stupid statement. If Naruto had gotten with Sakura, then surely it would cater only to "NS fans". And what about it means Kishi sold out? As far as I've ever seen, NS fans were more numerous than NH fans. Selling out would mean he catered to the masses, therefore by selling out he would have been catering to the NS fans. In my eyes, he's gone his own way despite all the NS fans, and in doing that, you can't be angry at him. This is his story, and regardless of how badly he has tried to switch it around all of a sudden, you can't say there has been nothing for NH fans to look at the entire series, and you would be even more crazy to suggest that a person should change the ending of their story based on how a certain group of fans feel.

Platinum fan.
1st December 2014, 11:20 PM
Kishi saying he's bad at romance which is why NaruHina isn't develop so well is a dumb excuse, I'll give you that. But he's left enough hints. Sakura being a parallel to Kushina, Kushina telling Naruto to find a girl just like her, and Naruto telling Minato that he'll find someone like Kushina were also equally dumb salt rubbings and causing unnecessary shipping war ammunition is also idiotic, but we all saw Sakura in Ch699. She went back to having a huge thirst for the Sauce. I personally would have liked if the movie was also sometime after Sasuke got back to the village, and we saw Team 7 as a team for one last time, but they can do that anytime. The movie is only 2 years after 699, and 11-13 years before 700. Just like how Dragonball is now having canon movies (Resurrection of Frieza being the second one coming next year) in the 10 year skip, Naruto can also do the same. Lots of story to tell in that gap. Also, box office flop? Lololol yeah right. This movie has a space ninja battle.

Like I said, why not wait until you've actually seen the movie? I bet you're gonna watch it online for free anyways when the Bluray releases sometime in March or April. If you hated the movie, at least you didn't spend a single cent, unless you're one of those unlucky people who still have a bandwidth cap.


Transmigrant of Ashura, not a descendant (although descendant of the Uzumaki clan). Naruto always had Kurama since he was just a few hours old. Kurama has always helped him. If he wasn't Ashura reincarnated, Talk-No-Jutsu would have never worked. The Pain arc was so good because it also had Naruto training with his own strength since Part 1, unlike when he was learning Rasenshuriken, where he had to constantly borrow chakra from Kurama.


Sasuke Retrieval arc was boss. Shame Shino "went on a different mission", but the fights were so good. Even the anime was great, except for the constant flashbacks in Naruto vs Sasuke. Hidan and Kakuzu arc was also great, even if Choji and Ino were basically useless. And it did wrap up after the Pain arc. There were only the Gokage Summit and the 4th (5th?) Great Ninja War after that. Problem was, the war went on for 3 years.

I believe it's the 4th war. The Sasuke Retrieval arc was a great finale for part 1. While I found Naruto vs Sasuke somewhat lacking due to how one sided it was, fights like Shikamaru vs Tayuya, Neji vs Kidomaru, Lee and Gaara vs Kimimaro made up for it. Even Choji vs Jirobo was entertaining. Sakon and Ukon's fight was also very exciting. And I was always disappointed that Choji and Ino got snubbed in the Hidan/Kakuzu arc. Thankfully their fight with Edo Tensei Asuma fixed that and made both look like useful and all around really good shinobi to have around. One of the few things that long war arc did well was give Choji and Ino big spots to prove they weren't useless.

Nodame
2nd December 2014, 12:29 AM
Well kishi chose the ships and the movie is meant to cover how they happen, so of course hinata the girl who ends up with the main character will be the main heroine in the flim, I also expect choji and karui to be explained and sai and ino.

Frankly people alittle to pissed about the pairings they happened peoples feelings for one another change ( and over a course of unseen 10 years naruto could have easily stopped liking sakura especially since she doesn't even thank him for saving sasuke and wanting to run off with him again) the pairings that happened happened and the movie is to show how they happened.

edit: isn't sakuras movie the road to ninja one?

also who'd want a movie based around the second worst female in the show ( 1st worst is karin duh)

Specially since it was stated in the latest data book that Naruto loves Sakura :p It's funny how Hinata gets what she wants in the end when it's supposed to be Naruto who achieves everything.

Red and Blue
2nd December 2014, 2:00 AM
I personally didn't care much for the Sasuke Retrieval arc tbh, mostly because some of the fights were so long; Neji's fight with Kidomaru lasted almost a whole volume iirc. The pacing was just off, although I liked seeing Choji reveal his power-up via those pills.
I disagree. As others have pointed out the fights were memorable and there were a lot of great character moments. One of which was Choji who I felt had good character development

Specially since it was stated in the latest data book that Naruto loves Sakura :p It's funny how Hinata gets what she wants in the end when it's supposed to be Naruto who achieves everything.
Well, at least NaruSaku lives on through Naruto's son and Sakura's daughter. So that's something

Void Ventus
2nd December 2014, 2:28 AM
I believe it's the 4th war. The Sasuke Retrieval arc was a great finale for part 1. While I found Naruto vs Sasuke somewhat lacking due to how one sided it was, fights like Shikamaru vs Tayuya, Neji vs Kidomaru, Lee and Gaara vs Kimimaro made up for it. Even Choji vs Jirobo was entertaining. Sakon and Ukon's fight was also very exciting. And I was always disappointed that Choji and Ino got snubbed in the Hidan/Kakuzu arc. Thankfully their fight with Edo Tensei Asuma fixed that and made both look like useful and all around really good shinobi to have around. One of the few things that long war arc did well was give Choji and Ino big spots to prove they weren't useless.
One sided? How so? The animation in the fight (when they were actually fighting) was great. Temari vs Tayuya, now that was one sided. That weasel was OP. Neji vs Kidomaru and Choji vs Jirobo were great. Really showcased their skills very well. 3 years later, Neji finally dies, again with the now giant spike in his back (haha I always have to make fun of Neji's death). I don't remember much of Kiba/Akamaru vs Sakon/Ukon. I just remember the giant wolf combination, the Rashomon doors, K/A losing and drifting down the river, and Kankuro killing S/U inside his puppet I think. Lee and Gaara vs Kimimaro was excellent. Seeing Gaara finally be a good guy and helping the same guy he crippled was pure awesomeness. Lee fighting with his Drunken Fist style was the highlight for me. Choji had his own moment fighting the Gedo Mazo with his dad. I don't get why only him and Chouza expanded and fought when the whole Akimichi clan there could have also helped, but it was definitely a big (hehe) moment for him. I wish he could have stayed thin though. Butterfly Choji could have been good. The human yo-yo was just stupid.


Specially since it was stated in the latest data book that Naruto loves Sakura :p It's funny how Hinata gets what she wants in the end when it's supposed to be Naruto who achieves everything.
Does everyone just ignore the 2 year timeskip? It feels like I'm the only here who factors in the timeskip. Sakura has already "confessed" to Naruto, and he turned her down, and even told her he hates people who lie to themselves, and clearly knows and acknowledges Sakura's love for Sasuke. He may have been oblivious to Hinata, but the movie is going to be about him finally noticing her.

Emperor Empoleon
2nd December 2014, 2:35 AM
The final databook doesn't cover anything past the War, I don't think.

And he can still just love her as a friend so I don't see why it even matters. Sakura was never some goal that he had to achieve, she's family, basically.

Red and Blue
2nd December 2014, 2:39 AM
One sided? How so? The animation in the fight (when they were actually fighting) was great. Temari vs Tayuya, now that was one sided. That weasel was OP. Neji vs Kidomaru and Choji vs Jirobo were great. Really showcased their skills very well. 3 years later, Neji finally dies, again with the now giant spike in his back (haha I always have to make fun of Neji's death). I don't remember much of Kiba/Akamaru vs Sakon/Ukon. I just remember the giant wolf combination, the Rashomon doors, K/A losing and drifting down the river, and Kankuro killing S/U inside his puppet I think. Lee and Gaara vs Kimimaro was excellent. Seeing Gaara finally be a good guy and helping the same guy he crippled was pure awesomeness. Lee fighting with his Drunken Fist style was the highlight for me. Choji had his own moment fighting the Gedo Mazo with his dad. I don't get why only him and Chouza expanded and fought when the whole Akimichi clan there could have also helped, but it was definitely a big (hehe) moment for him. I wish he could have stayed thin though. Butterfly Choji could have been good. The human yo-yo was just stupid.


Does everyone just ignore the 2 year timeskip? It feels like I'm the only here who factors in the timeskip. Sakura has already "confessed" to Naruto, and he turned her down, and even told her he hates people who lie to themselves, and clearly knows and acknowledges Sakura's love for Sasuke. He may have been oblivious to Hinata, but the movie is going to be about him finally noticing her.

She's referring to the manga version of the fight, not the anime one as you were describing

Lorde
2nd December 2014, 2:45 AM
As others have pointed out the fights were memorable

I don't think of tedious fights as being memorable, hence why I said that I don't particularly care for that arc. It's not as bad as the Sai arc, but it did lag like crazy imho.

Void Ventus
2nd December 2014, 2:47 AM
She's referring to the manga version of the fight, not the anime one as you were describing

The Naruto vs Sasuke fight? I never read the manga fight, only saw the anime fight.

Platinum fan.
2nd December 2014, 2:49 AM
She's referring to the manga version of the fight, not the anime one as you were describing

Hey, ole Platinum fan's a guy, LOL :D

But yeah, I'm referring to the manga version. Unless I say anime wise, I always speak of the manga. Originally Naruto vs Sasuke is pretty one sided. Naruto only got a single page of a solid comeback, while Sasuke was made to be dominate more then half the entire fight. I saw Naruto losing a mile away, it was that one sided. For a finale, it was nowhere near as good as Tayuya vs Shikamaru, Neji vs Kidomaru or Lee and Gaara vs Kimimaro. These Imo were excellent part 1 finale fights

Lorde
2nd December 2014, 2:54 AM
For a finale, it was nowhere near as good a Tayuya vs Shikamaru, Neji vs Kidomaru or Lee and Gaara vs Kimimaro. These Imo were excellent part 1 finale fights

Neji's win was bland though tbh. I mean he basically just channeled chakra through Kidomaru's thread which hurt him for whatever reason and used Gentle Fist afterwards. Boring. Gaara vs. Kimimaro was anti-climactic as well imo

Platinum fan.
2nd December 2014, 3:00 AM
Neji's win was bland though tbh. I mean he basically just channeled chakra through Kidomaru's thread which hurt him for whatever reason and used Gentle Fist afterwards. Boring. Gaara vs. Kimimaro was anti-climactic as well imo

Are you kidding, those were some of the best fights in part 1. Neji vs Kidomaru was great. I love how the tide of the battle turned. Neji was his usual in-control self, until Kidomaru finds out the Byakugan weakness, and slowly wears that spot down. It's one of my favorite battles in Naruto. The Kimimaro fight had a forced ending, but up until that, the fight was great. I consider him one of the strongest figures in part 1. So many great moments in the Kimimaro fight. How can you not like the Sound 5 battles? They were awesome!

Lorde
2nd December 2014, 3:08 AM
How can you not like the Sound 5 battles?

I didn't say that I didn't like any of them, simply that the two that I mentioned weren't my cup of tea. Tayuya vs. Shikamaru and Choji vs. Jirobo were enjoyable imo.

Platinum fan.
2nd December 2014, 3:11 AM
I didn't say that I didn't like any of them, simply that the two that I mentioned weren't my cup of tea. Tayuya vs. Shikamaru and Choji vs. Jirobo were enjoyable imo.

I'd rank Neji vs Kidomaru and Lee/Gaara vs Kimimaro higher then Choji vs Jirobo. It was a good fight, but mainly just two brawlers. No real strategy like the others.

Red and Blue
2nd December 2014, 3:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDycTj1Kii0

An interview with some clips from the film

greninjamaster
2nd December 2014, 8:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDycTj1Kii0

An interview with some clips from the film

People still don't believe that Kishi assassinated Naruto? Look at the fact that he is hanging out with 3 girls with one who has her arm looped under his. You want to tell me that Naruto would ever behave like RTN Sasuke? Come on now and then using that line to get Hinata into his room.

This is some major BS butt pulling from Kishi.

Red and Blue
2nd December 2014, 8:54 AM
People still don't believe that Kishi assassinated Naruto? Look at the fact that he is hanging out with 3 girls with one who has her arm looped under his. You want to tell me that Naruto would ever behave like RTN Sasuke? Come on now and then using that line to get Hinata into his room.

This is some major BS butt pulling from Kishi.

I'm sure those are just fangirls who he isn't into seriously. Plus, how do you know he was using pick up lines on Hinata? (Unless you understand japanese)

Nodame
2nd December 2014, 10:37 AM
People still don't believe that Kishi assassinated Naruto? Look at the fact that he is hanging out with 3 girls with one who has her arm looped under his. You want to tell me that Naruto would ever behave like RTN Sasuke? Come on now and then using that line to get Hinata into his room.

This is some major BS butt pulling from Kishi.
When will this nightmare end?

greninjamaster
2nd December 2014, 11:53 AM
I'm sure those are just fangirls who he isn't into seriously. Plus, how do you know he was using pick up lines on Hinata? (Unless you understand japanese)

It doesn't matter if he isn't serious, Naruto is not a player. No I do not speak Japanese but people have already translated the dialogue and yes he hits on Hinata after having 3 girls around him.

I must have missed the part in the manga where Naruto transformed into RTN Sasuke. This movies character assassination just keeps getting worse as each day passes.

Void Ventus
2nd December 2014, 1:46 PM
It doesn't matter if he isn't serious, Naruto is not a player. No I do not speak Japanese but people have already translated the dialogue and yes he hits on Hinata after having 3 girls around him.

I must have missed the part in the manga where Naruto transformed into RTN Sasuke. This movies character assassination just keeps getting worse as each day passes.
Dude, can you stop? Wait until you actually watch the movie.

And I'm rusty on my Japanese and only around a second grader's level, but Naruto just invites Hinata to come eat cup ramen with them. And like Red and Blue said, they could just be fangirls that Naruto has no interest in. You do remember that he saved village AND save the world, right? End all the conflicts in the world, and I bet the opposite gender will be flocking over to you too and always bothering you.

Akashin
2nd December 2014, 2:20 PM
It doesn't matter if he isn't serious, Naruto is not a player. No I do not speak Japanese but people have already translated the dialogue and yes he hits on Hinata after having 3 girls around him.

I must have missed the part in the manga where Naruto transformed into RTN Sasuke. This movies character assassination just keeps getting worse as each day passes.

And I missed the part in the movie where he did, too; do you mind showing me? An out of context scene and a bad pickup line (and even then I'm inclined to believe what Void Ventus said on that, seeing as it fits his character) mean absolutely nothing on their own.

phanpycross
2nd December 2014, 3:47 PM
Do we even know who this girl is, for all we know, Naruto could have saved her from something, leading to the everloved "awkward misunderstanding".

BJack
2nd December 2014, 5:26 PM
People still don't believe that Kishi assassinated Naruto? Look at the fact that he is hanging out with 3 girls with one who has her arm looped under his. You want to tell me that Naruto would ever behave like RTN Sasuke? Come on now and then using that line to get Hinata into his room.

This is some major BS butt pulling from Kishi.

I thought it was confirmed to be fangirls by people that ya know, actually watched the movie

Emperor Empoleon
2nd December 2014, 8:26 PM
Obviously they're fangirls. Naruto is a world renowned hero. A celebrity.

The movie is about how he hooks up with his wife. They're not gonna have him being a playboy in that context.

Lorde
2nd December 2014, 11:43 PM
I'd rank Neji vs Kidomaru and Lee/Gaara vs Kimimaro higher then Choji vs Jirobo. It was a good fight, but mainly just two brawlers. No real strategy like the others.

Tbh, Lee did so poorly against Kimimaro that I only really count that fight as Gaara vs. Kimimaro. At least Gaara forced Kimimaro into his Curse Mark state.

Void Ventus
3rd December 2014, 1:07 AM
Tbh, Lee did so poorly against Kimimaro that I only really count that fight as Gaara vs. Kimimaro. At least Gaara forced Kimimaro into his Curse Mark state.

At least Suiken Lee and Gaara's Sand Tsunami were animated nicely. Only Neji and Choji won their own fight. Kankuro, Temari, and Gaara killed Sakon/Ukon, Tayuya, and Kimimaro respectively.

greninjamaster
3rd December 2014, 8:49 PM
Hooray another review that says it's all about romance

Do you remember I talked with a japanese went to early screening.
I’ll write what he told me
-He told me he saw all the movie. “I don’t know of any screening where they only showed 30 min. Since nov 24 they have been showing early screenings of d full movie”
- I talked about if NaruHina kiss was confirmed for real. He told me “I have seen the movie and this is a spoiler but, as I previously mentioned, there are 2 kisses in the movie”
- No other pairing appear “happy to help. don’t know who you are a fan of but if you hate naruhina you will hate this movie-spoiler: no other pairings appear . and you won’t like how they put naruhina together. They are playing it as if Naruto made a mistake in thinking he loved Sakura”
- About Sakura? it’s pretty bad. they use sakura to say that naruto just thought he liked sakura because he didn’t want to lose to sasuke
"Sakura is helping get naruhina together. You might have to watch it once but it will be painful."
- About Sasuke? “Sasuke only shows up for 90 seconds the entire movie and there were more cheesy naruhina scenes than fights.”
"sasuke is still traveling outside the village and he only appears to stop a falling meteor and rescue hiashi and that’s it."
- About Toneri? he got beaten by naruhina love power lol

I must have missed the part where Naruto became a horrendous Shouju. The highlighted areas are complete and utter BS. I was excited for this movies action sequences but now... it's become basically skippable. If I wanted to watch a romance movie I would, but I do not expect this from a shounen manga.

Mr. Reloaded
3rd December 2014, 9:04 PM
So Sasuke's really not in the movie at all? Wow haha.
So it's basically a rush job at best to try and make NaruHina make sense...



:/

phanpycross
3rd December 2014, 9:07 PM
That's cool, I really like naruhina, so I dont mind plenty of scenes of them "romancing". I guess it's a shame they couldnt do it in a movie woh isnt the last one, but w/e.

Lorde
3rd December 2014, 9:43 PM
I'm not really interested in romance in this series, so knowing how the movie turns out is kinda sad. For the "last Naruto movie," the plot sounds really bad in my opinion.

Platinum fan.
3rd December 2014, 9:55 PM
This movie just sounds lackluster if you aren't into NaruHina. No Hanabi action? Drat! And Sakura continues to be dragged through the mud. Not sure if I want to see it or not.

Akashin
3rd December 2014, 10:29 PM
This movie just sounds lackluster if you aren't into NaruHina. No Hanabi action? Drat! And Sakura continues to be dragged through the mud. Not sure if I want to see it or not.

It sounds terrible for anybody who isn't content to see NaruHina done by any means necessary, done well or not, frankly... I was only interested in the movie to see how it all ended anyway so, barring something significant we haven't heard of, I'll be passing.

I was pretty sure I'd be passing on it for some time, though.

Lorde
3rd December 2014, 10:33 PM
No Hanabi action?

Who?

The fact that Naruto apparently only liked Sakura because he was competing against Sasuke or whatever made me cringe. It's like rubbing salt in a wound. :@

LucarioTheSuperSaiyajin
3rd December 2014, 10:34 PM
Hooray another review that says it's all about romance

Do you remember I talked with a japanese went to early screening.
I’ll write what he told me
-He told me he saw all the movie. “I don’t know of any screening where they only showed 30 min. Since nov 24 they have been showing early screenings of d full movie”
- I talked about if NaruHina kiss was confirmed for real. He told me “I have seen the movie and this is a spoiler but, as I previously mentioned, there are 2 kisses in the movie”
- No other pairing appear “happy to help. don’t know who you are a fan of but if you hate naruhina you will hate this movie-spoiler: no other pairings appear . and you won’t like how they put naruhina together. They are playing it as if Naruto made a mistake in thinking he loved Sakura”
- About Sakura? it’s pretty bad. they use sakura to say that naruto just thought he liked sakura because he didn’t want to lose to sasuke
"Sakura is helping get naruhina together. You might have to watch it once but it will be painful."
- About Sasuke? “Sasuke only shows up for 90 seconds the entire movie and there were more cheesy naruhina scenes than fights.”
"sasuke is still traveling outside the village and he only appears to stop a falling meteor and rescue hiashi and that’s it."
- About Toneri? he got beaten by naruhina love power lol

I must have missed the part where Naruto became a horrendous Shouju. The highlighted areas are complete and utter BS. I was excited for this movies action sequences but now... it's become basically skippable. If I wanted to watch a romance movie I would, but I do not expect this from a shounen manga.


So Sasuke's really not in the movie at all? Wow haha.
So it's basically a rush job at best to try and make NaruHina make sense...



:/

Seems like somebody need to read the manga again and find the "character assasination" Kishimoto has done to Naruto and Saucekay.

Naruto's characterization hasn't been assasinated. If something, it had evolved, but he needs to make the final step in the maturity line. I recommend to watch the movie when it's released in about 6 months in Blu Ray first, and evaluate the story later. Kishimoto had supervised, corrected and red pencilled almost all the screenwriting and storyboards in order to make the movie canon to the manga's events (and that says much. It seems the constant supervision pissed off Pierrot staff in some aspects according to the interviews).

Sakura had the most screentime in the series, yeah, but her romantic development with Naruto is totally zero. Everyone of their interactions revolvea around Sasuke-kun, pls bring back Saucekay-koon for me, anta boke. Hontou (really), Naruto's crush on Sakura was used mainly for jokes or comical relief. Especially in Shippuden when Sakura's actions were more like an oneee-san trying to stop her lil bro from something suicidal. Sai's quote about her feelings were a red herring. Heck, even Sakura realized Hinata's feelings for Naruto after the Konoha destruction. And every NS hopes basically sunk when Naruto said he hates liars like her or something similar.

Even in part 1 NS as a potential endgame was dead since the moment Sakura hugged Sasuke in the hospital and Naruto bittersweetly decided to accept the truth (IIRC it was after Gaara's attack to Konoha).

As for NH, it seems it had zero development because of Hina's screentime, but the ship had huge development. At least, Naruto's growth owes mostly to that moments (the vow after Hina vs Neji, Hinata's proud failure speech, the confession, Naruto talking about her eyes and Neji's death), seems coincidencial?? Nope, Kishi planned NH to be the endgame since the finale of Part 1.

And remember Kishitroll said he couldn't make a romance story of his characters because not only of him being bad at writing shoujo stories and being embarassed/sad about expressing love and also because of the dreadful weekly deadlines in the Shounen Jump Magazine. And given the manga deadline was in chapter 700... well, the movie was his only way to explain the endgames seen at the end. Remember that the way Naruto was going to end was planned about the end of Part 1, The Last Naruto was planned 2 years ago (when it was announced as "Naruto The Movie 10"!! ...when RTN was bombing hard in Japan. So, for me, the movie doesn't seem rushed at all.

So, I think that neg reviews and thoughts about The Last are mainly from western NS shippers. In Japan "The Last" movie had almost totally positive reviews and reports of people crying in the avant-premiere/pre-screening. And the soundtracks were plainly sold out at the 1st day.

Finally, Naruto's message was all about everlasting friendships and the power to forgive. Not about trying to win the girl of your dreams (and given Naruto was published into the fujoshi era of Shounen Jump [AKA, Bishounen Jump Era, 1999-2013], the romantic subplots were hindered at its most in the running time of the nekketsu-genre manga. Similar to other series published in that magazine. However, Shogakukan-Shueisha changed in August 2013 their politics and they are erradicating the "attactive to fujoshi" mangas from their most sold weekly magazine).

Joltik-Kid
3rd December 2014, 10:40 PM
I thought I was done with this thread... I really thought I was, maybe I just can't resist the scorn that I get lol.

IDK, I just can't believe anyone is defending this movie. To think I actually had faith in people's ability to read or understand how not to destroy a character. This movie is literally destroying everything Naruto was. His feelings were never shallow, he was never a womanizer, he never worried about his own feelings above other peoples safety. This movie isn't even a clear picture of why he falls for Hinata... it just happens because the plot says it does. This same plot also damaged the very confounds of the manga it's suppose to represent. How is any of that a good thing?



Sakura had the most screentime in the series, yeah, but her romantic development with Naruto is totally zero.
Ahaha, funny joke there bro

LucarioTheSuperSaiyajin
3rd December 2014, 10:52 PM
I thought I was done with this thread... I really thought I was, maybe I just can't resist the scorn that I get lol.

IDK, I just can't believe anyone is defending this movie. To think I actually had faith in people's ability to read or understand how not to destroy a character. This movie is literally destroying everything Naruto was. His feelings were never shallow, he was never a womanizer, he never worried about his own feelings above other peoples safety. This movie isn't even a clear picture of why he falls for Hinata... it just happens because the plot says it does. This same plot also damaged the very confounds of the manga it's suppose to represent. How is any of that a good thing?


Ahaha, funny joke there bro


Womanizer??? Naruto if something is only being gentle with his newmade fans, maybe slightly exasperated of his new lifestyle because of him being the Saviour of Konoha. Naruto's feelings to Sakura were used for comical gags. Remember he said "if she is happy, then i'll be happy for her" regarding Sakura being happy to be in love with Saucekay.

phanpycross
3rd December 2014, 11:00 PM
I thought I was done with this thread... I really thought I was, maybe I just can't resist the scorn that I get lol.

IDK, I just can't believe anyone is defending this movie. To think I actually had faith in people's ability to read or understand how not to destroy a character. This movie is literally destroying everything Naruto was. His feelings were never shallow, he was never a womanizer, he never worried about his own feelings above other peoples safety. This movie isn't even a clear picture of why he falls for Hinata... it just happens because the plot says it does. This same plot also damaged the very confounds of the manga it's suppose to represent. How is any of that a good thing?


Ahaha, funny joke there bro

Yeah, even as someone who likes naruhina, this movie has be the absolute worst way to end off the characters we love. Denying that Naruto had at least something for Sakura is complete BS in every way, and Naruto comes off as a major jerk IMO.

Joltik-Kid
3rd December 2014, 11:03 PM
Womanizer??? Naruto if something is only being gentle with his newmade fans, maybe slightly exasperated of his new lifestyle because of him being the Saviour of Konoha. Naruto's feelings to Sakura were used for comical gags. Remember he said "if she is happy, then i'll be happy for her" regarding Sakura being happy to be in love with Saucekay.
Remember when every databook known to man stated Naruto loved Sakura... keep telling me it's a gag though, cause you have no other way to refute it


Yeah, even as someone who likes naruhina, this movie has be the absolute worst way to end off the characters we love. Denying that Naruto had at least something for Sakura is complete BS in every way, and Naruto comes off as a major jerk IMO.
I respect you for this, while I don't understand NaruHina in the slightest, I'm at least glad you aren't the type that settles for mediocrity. There was a far better way to make NaruHina look better then turning a defining character trait into a shallow and selfish reason. Naruto only loving Sakura because of his rivalry, that a pure and blatant lie. Not only did Sasuke not care, but Naruto wouldn't have gone out of his way for Sakura if his love wasn't pure.

Lorde
3rd December 2014, 11:29 PM
Ahaha, funny joke there bro

Can you list some examples of romantic development between them then? All I can remember was Sakura's fake love confession which she only did to make Naruto stop chasing Sasuke.

Void Ventus
3rd December 2014, 11:47 PM
Hooray another review that says it's all about romance

Do you remember I talked with a japanese went to early screening.
I’ll write what he told me
-He told me he saw all the movie. “I don’t know of any screening where they only showed 30 min. Since nov 24 they have been showing early screenings of d full movie”
- I talked about if NaruHina kiss was confirmed for real. He told me “I have seen the movie and this is a spoiler but, as I previously mentioned, there are 2 kisses in the movie”
- No other pairing appear “happy to help. don’t know who you are a fan of but if you hate naruhina you will hate this movie-spoiler: no other pairings appear . and you won’t like how they put naruhina together. They are playing it as if Naruto made a mistake in thinking he loved Sakura”
- About Sakura? it’s pretty bad. they use sakura to say that naruto just thought he liked sakura because he didn’t want to lose to sasuke
"Sakura is helping get naruhina together. You might have to watch it once but it will be painful."
- About Sasuke? “Sasuke only shows up for 90 seconds the entire movie and there were more cheesy naruhina scenes than fights.”
"sasuke is still traveling outside the village and he only appears to stop a falling meteor and rescue hiashi and that’s it."
- About Toneri? he got beaten by naruhina love power lol

I must have missed the part where Naruto became a horrendous Shouju. The highlighted areas are complete and utter BS. I was excited for this movies action sequences but now... it's become basically skippable. If I wanted to watch a romance movie I would, but I do not expect this from a shounen manga.
Who said this wasn't a romance movie? When the movie was first announced, there were no hints of it being a NaruHina romance movie, but ever since Kishi said it was a romance movie, the promos have shown it to be that way. It'd be like getting mad at Resurrection of Frieza for having him as the movie's villain when the movie clearly shows him upfront on the posters and the movie is named after him. You only have yourself to blame. And thanks for saying if you don't like NaruHina, you'll hate this movie, Captain Obvious. If you don't like something, you'll hate it. We all know Diamond and Pearl are next in line to be remade. If you absolutely hated Sinnoh and wanted Unova remade instead, then of course you'll hate those remakes.


Yeah, even as someone who likes naruhina, this movie has be the absolute worst way to end off the characters we love. Denying that Naruto had at least something for Sakura is complete BS in every way, and Naruto comes off as a major jerk IMO.
If it is true that Naruto only liked Sakura to spite Sasuke, then that is jerkish of him. But then again, isn't that what crushes also are? If they became your spouse later on, that's great. But crushes can also be placeholders, people you think you love (Sakura), but are really just waiting until you see the right person (Hinata).


Can you list some examples of romantic development between them then? All I can remember was Sakura's fake love confession which she only did to make Naruto stop chasing Sasuke.
You can argue that when Naruto promised to Sakura that he'll bring back Sasuke, that that could be considered "true love" as he's willing to risk his life on this dangerous mission to make her happy again. But that was more of Naruto's "If I can't even save a friend, then I'm not fit to be Hokage" spiel or something on Sauce.

greninjamaster
4th December 2014, 12:21 AM
Who said this wasn't a romance movie? When the movie was first announced, there were no hints of it being a NaruHina romance movie, but ever since Kishi said it was a romance movie, the promos have shown it to be that way. It'd be like getting mad at Resurrection of Frieza for having him as the movie's villain when the movie clearly shows him upfront on the posters and the movie is named after him. You only have yourself to blame. And thanks for saying if you don't like NaruHina, you'll hate this movie, Captain Obvious. If you don't like something, you'll hate it. We all know Diamond and Pearl are next in line to be remade. If you absolutely hated Sinnoh and wanted Unova remade instead, then of course you'll hate those remakes.


The point is the movie is JUST a romance movie, there's barely any action in the dang movie. It's a SHONEN series, it's not a freaking Shouju and the last Naruto movie should not just be about some poorly developed romance that was never developed in the manga! Period. Plus the movie has many things in it that were NEVER ever even hinted at nor even suggested in the manga. This movie is crap and it's flushing the manga completely down the tubes along with Naruto's character. If you can't see that then I guess your one of the people this movie caters to. A fan who doesn't care about development nor the characters, just about some lame romance that has assassinated the main character completely.

The movie should be about Team 7 not useless stalker girl magically becoming relevant. No freaking thanks.

Kishi sold out.

phanpycross
4th December 2014, 12:25 AM
I respect you for this, while I don't understand NaruHina in the slightest, I'm at least glad you aren't the type that settles for mediocrity. There was a far better way to make NaruHina look better then turning a defining character trait into a shallow and selfish reason. Naruto only loving Sakura because of his rivalry, that a pure and blatant lie. Not only did Sasuke not care, but Naruto wouldn't have gone out of his way for Sakura if his love wasn't pure.
It's kinda weird y'know, Im sure Narusaku not becoming canon was a sour apple for people who liked the ship, but they still somehow managed to make the apple more bitter, just leaving narusaku behind would prolly have been better than retconning things that undeniably happened.



If it is true that Naruto only liked Sakura to spite Sasuke, then that is jerkish of him. But then again, isn't that what crushes also are? If they became your spouse later on, that's great. But crushes can also be placeholders, people you think you love (Sakura), but are really just waiting until you see the right person (Hinata).

True, but from the sounds of it, the movie could have handled it with more grace IMO. Maybe not even that he wasnt attracted to Sakura, but he just ended up more in love with Hinata over the course of the movie would be a fine explanation IMO, no retconning required.

LucarioTheSuperSaiyajin
4th December 2014, 12:37 AM
Only a repetitive recoommendation: watch the movie first and make your opinions later. IIRC Naruto's crush on Sakura had died down very hardly after the "falsefession". And his answer to Minato's question about if she is his GF was because he was kinda cornered in that moment.

If you question me about that, I find realistic that Nardo crushed over her only because of him wanting to surpass Saucekay-koon, and it's a very subtle way to put the final nail on the NS coffin. I guess some of you crushed for a girl only to surpass your rival too.

As for the comment being the movie being shoujo-ish, well, it would have at least 3 battles against Toneri and his minions. So, the shounen essence of the series isn't going to disappear at all xDDD And most of Shounen manga have romance development too (well, at least the shounen mangas before and after the "Bishounen Jump era" [1999-2013]). Remember Masakazu Katsura and Rumiko Takahashi's mangas. And Kodansha's Shounen Magazine has romance as an obligatory subplot in order to prevent fujoshis to read the male publications.

As for Team 7... IIRC Kakashi said the fight against Obito/Kaguya is the last mission they'd have as Team 7. So, chillax with the wish of the movie being about team 7.

Red and Blue
4th December 2014, 2:02 AM
Instead of saying Naruto's love for Sakura was due to rivalry, why not just explain that he lost his feeling for Sakura over the course of the timeskip(if he had any post part 1) due to his growing interest for Hinata? Wouldn't that be a better explaination?


Oh well, I'll still probably watch the movie when it comes to the states.

Lorde
4th December 2014, 2:06 AM
You can argue that when Naruto promised to Sakura that he'll bring back Sasuke, that that could be considered "true love" as he's willing to risk his life on this dangerous mission to make her happy again. But that was more of Naruto's "If I can't even save a friend, then I'm not fit to be Hokage" spiel or something on Sauce.

Well Naruto cared about Sasuke as well, so his promise to Sakura was also a promise to himself and I didn't see it as romantic, personally.

Joltik-Kid
4th December 2014, 2:12 AM
Can you list some examples of romantic development between them then? All I can remember was Sakura's fake love confession which she only did to make Naruto stop chasing Sasuke.
Sure, chpt. 296 where Sakura stated she's only capable of doing little things for Naruto and earlier stating she'd save Sasuke for him., chpt. 450 which had no Sasuke involvement what so ever, you had chpt. 663 where she went to drastic lengths to keep Naruto alive while Hinata tripped on a rock trying to reach him herself, paralleled by Karin unlocking Kushina chains to make her way to Sasuke. If these don't count, please inform me of NaruHina's romantic developments? Cause there are none, unless you like her basically committing suicide vs Pain and ignoring her cousins death to talk about Naruto's hand.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140907002634/narutocouple/images/e/e2/Shonen_Jump's_Valentines_Da.jpg

Red and Blue
4th December 2014, 2:15 AM
Sure, chpt. 296 where Sakura stated she's only capable of doing little things for Naruto and earlier stating she'd save Sasuke for him., chpt. 450 which had no Sasuke involvement what so ever, you had chpt. 663 where she went to drastic lengths to keep Naruto alive while Hinata tripped on a rock trying to reach him herself, paralleled by Karin unlocking Kushina chains to make her way to Sasuke. If these don't count, please inform me of NaruHina's romantic developments? Cause there are none, unless you like her basically committing suicide vs Pain and ignoring her cousins death to talk about Naruto's hand.

But she didn't ignore his death. She was just as upset as Naruto was, but had to break him out of his stupor to fight Obito. Did you forget a war was going on?

Akashin
4th December 2014, 2:21 AM
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140907002634/narutocouple/images/e/e2/Shonen_Jump's_Valentines_Da.jpg

For anybody interested, this (http://i.imgur.com/OhVmFDh.jpg) is a better sized version of what he was showing.

Joltik-Kid
4th December 2014, 2:28 AM
But she didn't ignore his death. She was just as upset as Naruto was, but had to break him out of his stupor to fight Obito. Did you forget a war was going on?
Shouldn't Naruto have been the one to do that for Hinata? Why is he breaking down for a guy he never knew very well...

Akashin
4th December 2014, 2:30 AM
Shouldn't Naruto have been the one to do that for Hinata? Why is he breaking down for a guy he never knew very well...

For the same reason he was deliberately hampering his fighting potential to protect an entire army, 80% of which weren't even Ninja from his own village; it's who Naruto is as a character to be broken up over such a thing.

As for why Hinata was the more composed of the two at that moment, well, I don't have an answer.

Red and Blue
4th December 2014, 2:30 AM
Shouldn't Naruto have been the one to do that for Hinata? Why is he breaking down for a guy he never knew very well...

He knew him well enough though. Hinata didn't want Neji's sacrifice to be in vain, so she had to be strong enough to get through to Naruto and encourage him. She at the very least understood that she didn't have time to mourn

Lorde
4th December 2014, 2:31 AM
For anybody interested, this (http://i.imgur.com/OhVmFDh.jpg) is a better sized version of what he was showing.

I don't really see how that image is supposed to prove that Naruto x Sakura was gonna be a thing though. I mean Luffy and Nami from One Piece are paired up on there even though I'm pretty sure that Oda has said that he has no intent to add romance among his cast. That image seems to be for fun imo.

Joltik-Kid
4th December 2014, 2:39 AM
For the same reason he was deliberately hampering his fighting potential to protect an entire army, 80% of which weren't even Ninja from his own village; it's who Naruto is as a character to be broken up over such a thing.
In retrospect your giving me a solid answer, but your other response was what really needed it...


As for why Hinata was the more composed of the two at that moment, well, I don't have an answer.
For a story that likes to portray some realism in an otherwise fantasy... this moment broke both as it's not realistic and its a horrible fantasy. "Oh it's War time" loses all merit when this heartless girl is taking about how warm a man's hand is


He knew him well enough though. Hinata didn't want Neji's sacrifice to be in vain, so she had to be strong enough to get through to Naruto and encourage him. She at the very least understood that she didn't have time to mourn
Are you ever reading what your saying at this point


I don't really see how that image is supposed to prove that Naruto x Sakura was gonna be a thing though. I mean Luffy and Nami from One Piece are paired up on there even though I'm pretty sure that Oda has said that he has no intent to add romance among his cast. That image seems to be for fun imo.
Cause Shonen Jump are such pranksters on Valentines Day...

Red and Blue
4th December 2014, 2:42 AM
Are you ever reading what your saying at this point


Cause Shonen Jump are such pranksters on Valentines Day...


Yes I am. I can't believe you're taking issue with Hinata not breaking down when Neji died. How is her reaction any different from Shikamaru when he lost his Dad

The image was most likely a joke as Lorde pointed out. LuffyxNami was the first clue

Platinum fan.
4th December 2014, 2:47 AM
Shouldn't Naruto have been the one to do that for Hinata? Why is he breaking down for a guy he never knew very well...

Naruto and Neji weren't bff's, but Naruto knew Neji enough to care for him and consider him a friend. So it's not forced that Naruto was sad to see Neji die. Also Naruto said he would keep everyone safe from Madara and Obito, and then they strike Neji down right in front of him, because Neji was trying to protect them. That was sure to bring emotion to Naruto.

As for why Hinata was less emotional. That was for three reasons. A) the real answer, so it could lead to the cover of volume 64's NaruHina moment. B) Shinobi aren't suppose to show emotion even if a teammate is killed in action. I think it was Sakura who stated the whole rule, back when this series was actually about ninjas. C) Hinata still holds a grudge against Neji for almost killing her. Okay I'm joking about the last one. But yeah, I think Naruto would get emotional for any of the Konoha 11 dying. Well maybe not poor Tenten. Have Naruto and Tenten ever spoken two words to each other in the manga? I know in the anime they've talked, but I can't recall in the manga. Someone let me know if they have.

Joltik-Kid
4th December 2014, 2:49 AM
Yes I am. I can't believe you're taking issue with Hinata not breaking down when Neji died. How is her reaction any different from Shikamaru when he lost his Dad
Well for starters why are we bringing Shikamura into a conversation about Hinata? Is that all your capable of, can't even stay on the subject? Well then sure, Shikamura was bad too. Again, Hinata had time to comment on how warm Naruto's hand is, then she had plenty of time to realize her cousin just died in front of her. Instead Naruto and Lee are breaking down into tears...


The image was most likely a joke as Lorde pointed out. LuffyxNami was the first clue
... I have no words for how stupid that sounds

Red and Blue
4th December 2014, 2:56 AM
Well for starters why are we bringing Shikamura into a conversation about Hinata? Is that all your capable of, can't even stay on the subject? Well then sure, Shikamura was bad too. Again, Hinata had time to comment on how warm Naruto's hand is, then she had plenty of time to realize her cousin just died in front of her. Instead Naruto and Lee are breaking down into tears...


... I have no words for how stupid that sounds

OMG. I was using Shikamaru as an example. Both Shikamaru and Hinata lost relatives during the war, but both understood that they didn't have the luxary to mourn at the moment and had to push forward to defeat Obito. It's not unrealistic or bad at all. They were both clearly upset, but as I said earlier, did you forget that a freaking war was going on? Sheesh.


2. So are you telling me that LuffyxNami are a thing :p

Void Ventus
4th December 2014, 3:09 AM
Well for starters why are we bringing Shikamura into a conversation about Hinata? Is that all your capable of, can't even stay on the subject? Well then sure, Shikamura was bad too. Again, Hinata had time to comment on how warm Naruto's hand is, then she had plenty of time to realize her cousin just died in front of her. Instead Naruto and Lee are breaking down into tears...


... I have no words for how stupid that sounds
Shikamaru did not break down when Shikaku died. Instead, he understood that this was war so kept his composure and decided to keep fighting. Same as Hinata. Neji died, but she didn't break down because she knew they were in a war, and not to do anything reckless. I do agree her commenting on how "big" Naruto's hand were came out of nowhere, and due to my immature mind, made me giggle.

I have no idea on the others, but Luffy and Ichigo weren't romantically involved with or even loved Nami or Orihime, which is why it's a joke. So if Sakura was the girl shown for Naruto, then it was also a joke.

Akashin
4th December 2014, 3:14 AM
OMG. I was using Shikamaru as an example. Both Shikamaru and Hinata lost relatives during the war, but both understood that they didn't have the luxary to mourn at the moment and had to push forward to defeat Obito. It's not unrealistic or bad at all. They were both clearly upset, but as I said earlier, did you forget that a freaking war was going on? Sheesh.

I don't care about this borderline Hinata-bashing road we're going down but, just for the sake of clarification, I don't think it's that Hinata was capable of being strong in the face of Neji's death that he is taking issue with. It's that not only was she more capable of doing so than Naruto, somebody to whom Neji was at best a close comrade, and that she had time to idly comment on the size of Naruto's hand while doing so.


I have no idea on the others, but Luffy and Ichigo weren't romantically involved with or even loved Nami or Orihime, which is why it's a joke. So if Sakura was the girl shown for Naruto, then it was also a joke.

You take that back. RebornxTsuna is the height of canon pairings. And is it just me, or did L not even have a heart corresponding to him (and instead had a Shinigami looming over him, ironically enough)?

LucarioTheSuperSaiyajin
4th December 2014, 3:20 AM
Sure, chpt. 296 where Sakura stated she's only capable of doing little things for Naruto and earlier stating she'd save Sasuke for him., chpt. 450 which had no Sasuke involvement what so ever, you had chpt. 663 where she went to drastic lengths to keep Naruto alive while Hinata tripped on a rock trying to reach him herself, paralleled by Karin unlocking Kushina chains to make her way to Sasuke. If these don't count, please inform me of NaruHina's romantic developments? Cause there are none, unless you like her basically committing suicide vs Pain and ignoring her cousins death to talk about Naruto's hand.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140907002634/narutocouple/images/e/e2/Shonen_Jump's_Valentines_Da.jpg

Sorry to destroy your respectful evidences.

1) Everything was about Saucekay-koon, Saucekay-koon, Saucekay-koon. She didn't stated she is doing that for NARUTO. Sai even admitted Sakura was feeling that for Naruto because of guilltness, not for being really honest.
2) Chap. 450?? Naruto didn't return the hug. Even Sakura punched him before hugging him. That's very typical from the anego (elder sister), even my older sister would punch me and then hug me if I do something both marvelous and reckless at the same time.
3) Ah!! The infamous RCP scene on the ch. 663. That was tahat... just a RCP, not a kiss (Tsunade made that on Part 1). Sakura would make that for every comrade, even Chouji. With Sasuke, she would transform that to a full power RCP french kiss though.

As for NH...

Part 1

1) the chuunin exams with Hibiki: Naruto decided not to copy in order to save both him and Hinata's necks. Naruto changed his perspective of Hinata with every appereance of hers (from a dark, shy wirdo to a person he would trust blindly)
2) Naruto vs Kiba: He recognizes her as a Good Girl when she handed him the medicine.
3) The infamous Neji vs Hinata: Naruto's perspective of Hinata grew more and more (Incredible girl). And remember that blood vow to defeat Neji.
4) The "Proud failure speech". Naruto plainly stated he liked people like her, even he slihtly blushed when she said that speech (manga only). If that isn't development for NH, then what would be???
5) the whole Naruto vs Neji: "Ill change the Hyugas!!" "Hinata, is she seeing me!?"

Part II:

6) The whole Naruto vs Pain ordeal: "watashi wa, Narrrrdo-koon ga daisuki dakara", Naruto holding his heart thinking of her safety and finally crying and sayin "thank god, thank god" when he realized she's alive. HIM ADMITTING HINATA'S "DEATH" TRIGGERED THE 6-TAILS KYUUBI TRANSFORMATION.
7) The whole talk about "it's all in your eyes and blablabla"
8) Neji's death, obviously.
9) I want to walk with Naruto-kun forever

NH was benefical for both characters, let's assume that. Even Naruto's appreciation and fondness of the Hyuuga girl grew with those moments. The NH endgame in the end of great war was unavoidable to that extent.

And that image was from a 2005's Shonen Jump issue, when Naruto started to go into Part 2, and 1 year waaay BEFORE the 1st interview Kishimoto had when he showed his true intentions about the endgames (If you watch correctly, Death Note appears on the announcement and for OP, That was before Boa Hancock even made her debut or started to crush over Luffy in OP. That's the reason why Nami appears as the Luffy's "valentine". After that... Shounen Jump became full throttle Fujoshi Jump with the romance subplots hindered or taken as a joke way too hard compared to Kodansha's Shonen Magazine and Shogakukan Shonen Sunday.

Red and Blue
4th December 2014, 3:21 AM
I don't care about this borderline Hinata-bashing road we're going down but, just for the sake of clarification, I don't think it's that Hinata was capable of being strong in the face of Neji's death that he is taking issue with. It's that not only was she more capable of doing so than Naruto, somebody to whom Neji was at best a close comrade, and that she had time to idly comment on the size of Naruto's hand while doing so.



You take that back. RebornxTsuna is the height of canon pairings. And is it just me, or did L not even have a heart corresponding to him (and instead had a Shinigami looming over him, ironically enough)?


I agree that the comment about his hand was out of place given the situation. But I don't think Hinata being stronger than Naruto at the moment was bad on her part. If anything, I give her credit that she at least understood what was more important

Lorde
4th December 2014, 4:41 AM
Shikamaru did not break down when Shikaku died.

Tbh, I had forgotten that he and Inoichi had even died in the war. I mean we at least saw Hinata visiting Neji's grave, but we didn't see Shikaku's or Inoichi's graves iirc.

Void Ventus
4th December 2014, 6:34 AM
Tbh, I had forgotten that he and Inoichi had even died in the war. I mean we at least saw Hinata visiting Neji's grave, but we didn't see Shikaku's or Inoichi's graves iirc.

Don't worry. We will have another near 100 episodes filled with filler between 699 and 700. Each dead character will have a dedicated tribute episode, we will have comedy about the girls getting pregnant, we will weep during the weddings, and we will see that Sauce is actually a very good and caring father.

(I openly welcome 2 years worth of filler before Part 3 finally gets animated)

Joltik-Kid
4th December 2014, 7:35 AM
~snip rant
And yet

http://24.media.tumblr.com/fbfc5174df6f51ebabf627de8e8c1f8e/tumblr_ml6azyNcoh1s0xldoo1_250.jpg
4月3日「ナルトがサクラを好きになった日

greninjamaster
4th December 2014, 7:40 AM
The naruto the last movie is not sold out everywhere as they say it is here in japan…there is actually too many seats available for the movie that it is actually sad….For example..i will show you yokohama toho theater and this is for 9:00 to 11:05~ notice how many seats are available? the darken seats are the ones reserved and to be honest i am not surprised at this…also there are many other theaters having people get refunds and if not canceling their ticket reservations because of spoilers and because of hinata. SO…this is one hard evidence i can supply with to fans of hinata out there that no matter what is being said that “many japanese love hinata” well..this ought to clear the air on that.

http://media.tumblr.com/3123fce5b51adbc1188a787b4ac3e39b/tumblr_inline_ng1ln4SplG1sl845r.png

According to many Japanese people including those that work in movie theaters, there are many refunds being issued or cancelled because people are not happy. The spoilers that were released made people not happy.

I'm laughing, this is what Kishi deserves for selling out and making a movie function around a useless stalker that barely did anything in the manga. This is amazing news.

Karma Kishi, maybe next time you won't have stupid moronic fans dictate the series you want to write. Or if you're gonna go with romantic pairings DEVELOP them!

DON'T CHARACTER ASSASSINATE YOUR MAIN CHARACTER FOR A USELESS SIDE CHARACTER AND A POORLY DEVELOPED PAIRING!

DON'T HAVE A SHOUNEN MOVIE CIRCLE AROUND A ROMANCE THAT WAS NEVER DEVELOPED IN THE MANGA INCLUDING SCENES THAT WERE NEVER EVER REFERENCED IN THE MANGA NOR EVEN SUGGESTED!

Don't have more romance than action in a freaking shounen movie!

It looks like all those threats about people boycotting was legit. Oh well, this is what you get Kishi. Now your series can go die when it was supposed to die many years ago.

Lorde
4th December 2014, 7:47 AM
Even if the movie is doing bad, I don't think that NaruHina specifically can be attributed to the movie's supposed downfall; I doubt it would've done any better if it was NaruSaku centric for instance.

Joltik-Kid
4th December 2014, 7:51 AM
Even if the movie is doing bad, I don't think that NaruHina specifically can be attributed to the movie's supposed downfall; I doubt it would've done any better if it was NaruSaku centric for instance.
The downfall is how poorly written the movie is... and how Naruto's actual feelings were retconed. Instead of claiming it was just because of his rivalry, have the decency to tell us he just slowly was moving on. On that note though, Kishi's statement about Sakura would be a terrible woman if she moved on from her feelings don't sit well with me.

greninjamaster
4th December 2014, 8:56 AM
Even if the movie is doing bad, I don't think that NaruHina specifically can be attributed to the movie's supposed downfall; I doubt it would've done any better if it was NaruSaku centric for instance.

Unlike NH though, NS was heavily promoted during the manga and had actual development. NH had barely any development in the manga.

The reason I don't care to watch the movie aside from the character assassination galore is the fact that the romance is the main part of the movie. No freaking thanks, if I wanted to watch a romance I would. Naruto is not a romance, but this movie is and a poorly written one at that.

LucarioTheSuperSaiyajin
4th December 2014, 1:19 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/3123fce5b51adbc1188a787b4ac3e39b/tumblr_inline_ng1ln4SplG1sl845r.png

According to many Japanese people including those that work in movie theaters, there are many refunds being issued or cancelled because people are not happy. The spoilers that were released made people not happy.

I'm laughing, this is what Kishi deserves for selling out and making a movie function around a useless stalker that barely did anything in the manga. This is amazing news.

Karma Kishi, maybe next time you won't have stupid moronic fans dictate the series you want to write. Or if you're gonna go with romantic pairings DEVELOP them!

DON'T CHARACTER ASSASSINATE YOUR MAIN CHARACTER FOR A USELESS SIDE CHARACTER AND A POORLY DEVELOPED PAIRING!

DON'T HAVE A SHOUNEN MOVIE CIRCLE AROUND A ROMANCE THAT WAS NEVER DEVELOPED IN THE MANGA INCLUDING SCENES THAT WERE NEVER EVER REFERENCED IN THE MANGA NOR EVEN SUGGESTED!

Don't have more romance than action in a freaking shounen movie!

It looks like all those threats about people boycotting was legit. Oh well, this is what you get Kishi. Now your series can go die when it was supposed to die many years ago.

Where was all that info from?? From a NS tumblr or facebook fanpage?? Cuz i've read from japanese diaries most of the functions were mostly sold out and the Soundtrack 1st release was totally sold out.


Unlike NH though, NS was heavily promoted during the manga and had actual development. NH had barely any development in the manga.

The reason I don't care to watch the movie aside from the character assassination galore is the fact that the romance is the main part of the movie. No freaking thanks, if I wanted to watch a romance I would. Naruto is not a romance, but this movie is and a poorly written one at that.

You wanted to say, it had most screentime and fraternal development... because romantic development has almost nothing to zero. Everything was about "Sasuke-kun", "bring Sasuke-kun back", "i couldn't keep my promise to bring the Temee back". The fact was... Kishimoto wanted to write romance in the manga, but he found hindrance in the final deadlines. Shueisha changed their politics and thy're allowing romantic subplots again since 2013. And japanese mangaka are really bad at writing romace because they have another conception of that. Even Takahashi, Katsura and the multiple mangakas at Kodansha's publications are lacking in that aspect

The other fact was...

4月3日「ナルトがサクラを好きになった日

Face the fact it said Suki, not Daisuki. Naruto only had a crush, a perverted and guided by the appereances if you ask me. For romantic feelings and picking hints, by nature, Naruto is like our Satoshi... extremely oblivious and dense. He couldn't pick up Hinata's feelings in Part 1 (well, it isn't like she was totally assertive on part I) and it came to extremes like he believing Kurenai gained weight because of food, but in reality she was pregnant from Asuna's child. Making Naruto dense regarding romantic feelings helped totally to bring up the actual endgame.

Another fact

"I want to protect that Smile"

That was after Naruto realized in the hospital she was really in love (not having a schoolgirl crush) with Saucekay-koon. He said that because only bringing back the Uchiha back too her would return that smile.

Funny is the fact Kishimoto said "it was a time when he considered Sakura moving on from Sasuke and begin to look Nardo in a romantic way, but he ditched that idea because that would make Sakura a terrible woman".

To finish, a question.

What if the manga's finale endgame was NaruSaku, KibaHina, SasuKarin and ShikaTema? Would fandom be ranting about how retconned and rushed it was?? Or would be more happy than now? And what if The Last only expanded the "development" NS "had" in the manga instead of "retconning" NH like you said?

Void Ventus
4th December 2014, 1:49 PM
Satoshi? We bringing in that horrible Pokémon character here now? Ash is an idiot, that's all is need to be said.

Saying Suki to someone would just mean you like them as a friend or as a crush. It's when you go daisuki that you kinda mean it, then you go in your final form and say aishite and really mean you love him or her.

Anyways, you darn NaruSaku shippers! The boat has sunk. NaruHina is canon, and no, Ch700 is NOT a genjutsu. Everyone was freed from Infinite Tsukiyomi, and none of this is someone's dream. The movie is getting a limited theatrical release in Australia in mid Jan, so HOPEFULLY the Blu-Ray doesn't take 2 1/2 years like RTN did.

LucarioTheSuperSaiyajin
4th December 2014, 2:04 PM
Satoshi? We bringing in that horrible Pokémon character here now? Ash is an idiot, that's all is need to be said.

Saying Suki to someone would just mean you like them as a friend or as a crush. It's when you go daisuki that you kinda mean it, then you go in your final form and say aishite and really mean you love him or her.

Anyways, you darn NaruSaku shippers! The boat has sunk. NaruHina is canon, and no, Ch700 is NOT a genjutsu. Everyone was freed from Infinite Tsukiyomi, and none of this is someone's dream. The movie is getting a limited theatrical release in Australia in mid Jan, so HOPEFULLY the Blu-Ray doesn't take 2 1/2 years like RTN did.

I was referring Satoshi because Naruto was somewhat dense regarding romantic BS. Nothing more than that xDDDDDDDD

Platinum fan.
4th December 2014, 2:18 PM
Even if the movie is doing bad, I don't think that NaruHina specifically can be attributed to the movie's supposed downfall; I doubt it would've done any better if it was NaruSaku centric for instance.

I agree with this completely. If the shoe were on the other foot, then just as much complaining would be coming from the NaruHina fans. The only thing that annoys me is saying Naruto only liked Sakura for the Sasuke rivalry. That makes no sense, because not only would Sasuke not even care if Naruto "won" Sakura, it makes Naruto come off as something as a jerk. Like Sakura's this big trophy to parade around. This is not in Naruto's character at all to do something like this. All you had to do was have Naruto spend more time with Hinata and grow out of his crush on Sakura, and I'd have been okay with it. At least that would have been realistic. But to do what they are doing just makes everyone look bad.

I do think Hinata is getting Sakura level hate now because she "won" the shipping war, and I can see her being the new Sakura from this point on. As in getting unnecessary hate for this point on. Don't blame Hinata's character for this. It's not like she told Naruto to have fake feelings for Sakura. Seriously though, that is so stupid. I'm not even a NaruSaku fan and I can tell that's crappy writing.

p96822
4th December 2014, 2:50 PM
I agree with this completely. If the shoe were on the other foot, then just as much complaining would be coming from the NaruHina fans. The only thing that annoys me is saying Naruto only liked Sakura for the Sasuke rivalry. That makes no sense, because not only would Sasuke not even care if Naruto "won" Sakura, it makes Naruto come off as something as a jerk. Like Sakura's this big trophy to parade around. This is not in Naruto's character at all to do something like this. All you had to do was have Naruto spend more time with Hinata and grow out of his crush on Sakura, and I'd have been okay with it. At least that would have been realistic. But to do what they are doing just makes everyone look bad.

I do think Hinata is getting Sakura level hate now because she "won" the shipping war, and I can see her being the new Sakura from this point on. As in getting unnecessary hate for this point on. Don't blame Hinata's character for this. It's not like she told Naruto to have fake feelings for Sakura. Seriously though, that is so stupid. I'm not even a NaruSaku fan and I can tell that's crappy writing.

And as a person who is a Narusaku fan I think it stupid because shouldn't Naruto have all the girl to crushes on and not just Sakura? It really dumb and I think one of the filler episode somewhat explained why Naruto like Sakura in the first place.

Akashin
4th December 2014, 3:05 PM
What if the manga's finale endgame was NaruSaku, KibaHina, SasuKarin and ShikaTema? Would fandom be ranting about how retconned and rushed it was?? Or would be more happy than now? And what if The Last only expanded the "development" NS "had" in the manga instead of "retconning" NH like you said?

That's a loaded question. If the movie were the same in every way, except focusing on NS instead of NH (and obviously tweaked here and there from the current version of the movie to suit that fact), than of course it would still be just as bad. Saying otherwise is just stupid, and you're putting too much emphasis on the pairings when considering the fact that people hate this movie (though there are of course people who hate it solely for that reason...).

Minor nitpick in that no, I don't think people would be calling retcon (as of the manga's ending, Naruto has no feelings for Hinata or anybody else that need to be erased for him to end up with Sakura). Rushed, though? Absolutely.


I do think Hinata is getting Sakura level hate now because she "won" the shipping war, and I can see her being the new Sakura from this point on. As in getting unnecessary hate for this point on. Don't blame Hinata's character for this. It's not like she told Naruto to have fake feelings for Sakura. Seriously though, that is so stupid. I'm not even a NaruSaku fan and I can tell that's crappy writing.

I really think that should go without saying. Sakura would be getting the same exact hate if she had "won" this stupid war, too.

Red and Blue
4th December 2014, 6:08 PM
Satoshi? We bringing in that horrible Pokémon character here now? Ash is an idiot, that's all is need to be said.

Saying Suki to someone would just mean you like them as a friend or as a crush. It's when you go daisuki that you kinda mean it, then you go in your final form and say aishite and really mean you love him or her.

Anyways, you darn NaruSaku shippers! The boat has sunk. NaruHina is canon, and no, Ch700 is NOT a genjutsu. Everyone was freed from Infinite Tsukiyomi, and none of this is someone's dream. The movie is getting a limited theatrical release in Australia in mid Jan, so HOPEFULLY the Blu-Ray doesn't take 2 1/2 years like RTN did.

Wait, there are seriously NaruSaku shippers claiming that chapter 700 was a genjutsu? What evidence is there to support that?

Akashin
4th December 2014, 6:31 PM
Wait, there are seriously NaruSaku shippers claiming that chapter 700 was a genjutsu? What evidence is there to support that?

There is no evidence. Just fans desperately grasping at what they can.

That was a while ago though. I'm not sure if there are still any fans claiming that.

Mr. Reloaded
4th December 2014, 7:00 PM
I didn't realize I've been apparently lurking on the shipping boards

Though as I've said multiple times before that I give zero F's about shipping (in Shouen especially) I can help but agree that recon was stupid and BS.

As pointed out before it wouldn't have mattered if Naruto "won" Sakura because Sasuke never cared about her from the start, so it being about rivalry is flat out BS.

If Sasuke at any point showed any type of effection towards Sakura then yeah it would make since to be out of rivalry, but he's done nothing but try and kill her. (And seeing as the movie apparently isn't focusing on anything but NaruHina, SasuSaku will forever be a dumb pairing).

It would've been so much easier to just say Naruto got over Sakura and looked into Hinata more and people wouldn't complain nearly as much (except for the NaruSaku fans).

I'm just shocked canon parings can cause such a amusing/headache inducing war.



Oda thank you for keep romance out of your franchise I'd be scared to see how'd that would've had gone.

Joltik-Kid
4th December 2014, 7:23 PM
Why would Sakura be horrible if she moved on from a guy who never supported her...like, ever.

EDIT: Why even see the movie at this point, spoilers have basically given us everything about it anyway http://naruto-lastcountdown.tumblr.com/post/104337335132/toneri-the-pairing-fodder-character-kakashi#notes

LucarioTheSuperSaiyajin
4th December 2014, 8:53 PM
Aaaara, shounen aren't just fight, fight, ho-yay moments and blood. Romance was neglected so badly on the "fujoshi jump" era because of that "adding bishounen characters in every manga". The Last being shoujo-esque is nothing but one of the final products of the new Shueisha politics about excluding fujoshis from their Shounen jump products.

Please watch this link:

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2013/08/08/shonen-jump-deliberately-excluding-fujoshi/

So, for fight and ho-yay purists, you'd better think twice before reading nekketsu mangas, because Shueisha decided to motivate mangakas to create romance subplots in Shounen Jump publications. As for me, i don't care if The Last lacks bloodlust fights and ho-yay/foe-yay moments.

Pokegirl Fan~
4th December 2014, 9:12 PM
If the movie is apparently doing bad it's probably because of its horrible plot, I doubt shipping would be the main reason with that. I still really don't see why they need to have one of the horrible last minute final villains have living relatives.

BJack
4th December 2014, 9:35 PM
The movie isn't even out yet lol and all Naruto movies are boring and they still do well.

Lorde
4th December 2014, 9:47 PM
The movie isn't even out yet lol and all Naruto movies are boring and they still do well.

I kind of agree about the boring part. I wish past Naruto movies had flopped to discourage more from being made, but this is the last one apparently, so the nightmare will soon be over.

Emperor Empoleon
4th December 2014, 10:29 PM
I'm not one to defend Kishi's poor writing decisions, but this is probably...The least offensive thing he's done.

Remember the 3rd Chapter? When Naruto realized that he liked Sakura because she wanted acknowledgement...From Sasuke...

Where he tried to be Sasuke with henge...To make him look dumb so that she likes him instead...

I mean really. When his crush was established, it was terribly shallow. I don't think this rivalry thing is that far out. And it doesn't discredit the fact that he came to care for her more as a friend. But romantically, it was pretty meh.

Even with his promise to Sakura, Naruto in Part 2 still had no problem fishing for dates, snooping around the bathhouse, or trying to be Sasuke's friend when he had a knife to the girl's throat. Some food for thought.

Of all the things Kishi has done wrong, to call him a sellout over this seems exaggerated.

Joltik-Kid
4th December 2014, 11:14 PM
If the movie is apparently doing bad it's probably because of its horrible plot, I doubt shipping would be the main reason with that. I still really don't see why they need to have one of the horrible last minute final villains have living relatives.
Doesn't exactly help shipping is part of the plot though...



I mean really. When his crush was established, it was terribly shallow.
And Sakura loving Sasuke for his loos and being a "cool guy" isn't shallow? Or Hinata loving Naruto because he was a failure like her? I suppose you could argue Naruto helped Hinata during their very limited interactions, but what exactly did Sasuke do to justify Sakura's love? At least Naruto was always there for Sakura, never got angry at her specifically and always encouraged her to get stronger.

Akashin
4th December 2014, 11:23 PM
Remember the 3rd Chapter? When Naruto realized that he liked Sakura because she wanted acknowledgement...From Sasuke...

Where he tried to be Sasuke with henge...To make him look dumb so that she likes him instead...

I mean really. When his crush was established, it was terribly shallow. I don't think this rivalry thing is that far out. And it doesn't discredit the fact that he came to care for her more as a friend. But romantically, it was pretty meh.

I'd say you have a point were it not for the fact that you're deliberately twisting facts in a negative way to suit your point. Sure, he realized he liked her because she wanted acknowledgement from Sasuke, but that it was Sasuke she wanted acknowledgement from had nothing to do with it. It was the perceived common ground in wanting acknowledgement from somebody that was important.

That has nothing at all to do with his rivalry with Sasuke, and I really hesitate to say there's anything overly shallow about him having feelings for a person he believes he can empathize with.

phanpycross
4th December 2014, 11:31 PM
Doesn't exactly help shipping is part of the plot though...


Is it weird I dont really mind that too much?

I mean, if this really is "the last" story with Naruto, I would kinda hope for his lovelife to have some resolution, even if he got with a person I didnt care for.

I dont know if naruhina is "shallow" either, since he did stand up for her against Neji, It might have started out shallow, but it turned out pretty genuine IMO.

Emperor Empoleon
4th December 2014, 11:35 PM
And Sakura loving Sasuke for his loos and being a "cool guy" isn't shallow? Or Hinata loving Naruto because he was a failure like her? I suppose you could argue Naruto helped Hinata during their very limited interactions, but what exactly did Sasuke do to justify Sakura's love? At least Naruto was always there for Sakura, never got angry at her specifically and always encouraged her to get stronger.
I didn't say they weren't? Well, at least not Sakura, I wouldn't say that at all.

Sakura's case is a train wreck as far as I'm concerned. lol. Hinata's is okay. But she could've been a more independent character than Naruto being her inspiration for the whole story.


I'd say you have a point were it not for the fact that you're deliberately twisting facts in a negative way to suit your point. Sure, he realized he liked her because she wanted acknowledgement from Sasuke, but that it was Sasuke she wanted acknowledgement from had nothing to do with it. It was the perceived common ground in wanting acknowledgement from somebody that was important.

That has nothing at all to do with his rivalry with Sasuke, and I really hesitate to say there's anything overly shallow about him having feelings for a person he believes he can empathize with.

I' don't think its twisting anything with this new information...Kishi is now saying his feelings had to do with the rivalry through this movie, so I just went back and applied that to the reading.

Akashin
4th December 2014, 11:51 PM
I' don't think its twisting anything with this new information...Kishi is now saying his feelings had to do with the rivalry through this movie, so I just went back and applied that to the reading.

I just pointed out exactly where it was twisted. Sasuke had less than nothing to do with Naruto's motivation for liking Sakura, so to twist his seeing a common ground with her into saying that he was trying to one-up Sasuke is most definitely changing things.

Lorde
4th December 2014, 11:58 PM
I'm not one to defend Kishi's poor writing decisions, but this is probably...The least offensive thing he's done.

Remember the 3rd Chapter? When Naruto realized that he liked Sakura because she wanted acknowledgement...From Sasuke...

Where he tried to be Sasuke with henge...To make him look dumb so that she likes him instead...

I mean really. When his crush was established, it was terribly shallow. I don't think this rivalry thing is that far out. And it doesn't discredit the fact that he came to care for her more as a friend. But romantically, it was pretty meh.

Even with his promise to Sakura, Naruto in Part 2 still had no problem fishing for dates, snooping around the bathhouse, or trying to be Sasuke's friend when he had a knife to the girl's throat. Some food for thought.

Of all the things Kishi has done wrong, to call him a sellout over this seems exaggerated.

Which is why Naruto's crush on Sakura always struck me as forced as time went on. She pretty much friendzoned him anyway given that she spent more time obsessing over Sasuke.

Emperor Empoleon
5th December 2014, 1:05 AM
I just pointed out exactly where it was twisted. Sasuke had less than nothing to do with Naruto's motivation for liking Sakura, so to twist his seeing a common ground with her into saying that he was trying to one-up Sasuke is most definitely changing things.

I think there were grounds for either way of looking at it. He was trying to one-up Sasuke during her introduction. Even after finding out about their relating to each other, he sooner thinks of trying to make him look like a jerk. Which would've been sorta ironic if it worked, since she would no longer be seeking acknowledgement..


Which is why Naruto's crush on Sakura always struck me as forced as time went on. She pretty much friendzoned him anyway given that she spent more time obsessing over Sasuke.

I think its worse in the anime...

The anime does a-lot more with them, so its gonna be weird for it to not happen now. lol.

LucarioTheSuperSaiyajin
5th December 2014, 1:07 AM
Doesn't exactly help shipping is part of the plot though...


And Sakura loving Sasuke for his loos and being a "cool guy" isn't shallow? Or Hinata loving Naruto because he was a failure like her? I suppose you could argue Naruto helped Hinata during their very limited interactions, but what exactly did Sasuke do to justify Sakura's love? At least Naruto was always there for Sakura, never got angry at her specifically and always encouraged her to get stronger.

I've re-read the aforementioned chapters, and NH wasn't shallow at all. If something, it helped to the development of both of them (moments explained some posts ago). Sakura's crush, if shallow and fangirl like at first, really, but really turned into love after the 1st chuunin exams. And, as crazy as it seems, Sasuke DID care a lot about Sakura. Only that his hate path restrained him to show care of other women.


I'd say you have a point were it not for the fact that you're deliberately twisting facts in a negative way to suit your point. Sure, he realized he liked her because she wanted acknowledgement from Sasuke, but that it was Sasuke she wanted acknowledgement from had nothing to do with it. It was the perceived common ground in wanting acknowledgement from somebody that was important.

That has nothing at all to do with his rivalry with Sasuke, and I really hesitate to say there's anything overly shallow about him having feelings for a person he believes he can empathize with.

It has very much in common with Saucekay-koon. Go and read the ch. 3 again when Naruto henge no jutsu-ed into Saucekay-koon


Which is why Naruto's crush on Sakura always struck me as forced as time went on. She pretty much friendzoned him anyway given that she spent more time obsessing over Sasuke.

Naruto's crush on Sakura was a gag material most of the cases, even Naruto wasn't empathic with Sakura's thoughts and was very superficial with his comments (in Part 1 manga, Sasuke was way more empathic with the pink haired's inner thoughts. It's very much like the Taiora vs Sorato situation). The only time it had serious plot definition was in the "falsefession" scene in Part 1, but that scene had literally put the second to last nail to NS potential love development Koffing Coffin (bad pun joke xDDDD). Even Naruto was really dense and wasn't capable to realize romantic things (because of his character. Hyperactive, arrogant, rebellious and impulsive in Part 1 and kinda obsessed with Sasuke in part 2). That explains why he couldn't pick up Hinata's romantic hints until the confession scene in part 2 and why he believed Kurenai was fat instead of the logical response she was pregnant.

In that context, The Last movie is both a "return-to-the-basics" regarding the origin of Naruto's 1st crush, and the final step towards glory regarding his final personal growth (finally cracking his "obliviousness armor" amour thread local pun not intended really and realizing he wasn't hated all that time befor he was into team 7.

And if you ask me, Naruto has to be really SOOOOOOO lucky to have married the kind hearted, meek and honest Hinata at the end. The other girls (Ten Ten, Sakura, Ino, Temari) were totally hot tempered and somewhat tsundere and violent for his likings

Akashin
5th December 2014, 1:29 AM
I think there were grounds for either way of looking at it. He was trying to one-up Sasuke during her introduction. Even after finding out about their relating to each other, he sooner thinks of trying to make him look like a jerk. Which ideally (and ironically) would stop her from seeking acknowledgement...

Of course he did; he was interested in her and disliked Sasuke, so why is that a surprise? It was later on that he prioritized her feelings for Sasuke over his own; that still doesn't mean his feelings for her had to do with his rivalry with Sasuke. Regardless of his feelings toward Sasuke, his reason for liking Sakura was rooted not in anything to do with him but in his perception that they sought the same thing.


It has very much in common with Saucekay-koon. Go and read the ch. 3 again when Naruto henge no jutsu-ed into Saucekay-koon

I re-read the chapter before starting this argument, thank you (I'm interested in making sure I know what I'm talking about), but if you don't mind you could take your own advice and read what I said. I'm well aware of what he did; what I'm not aware of is why you think that has anything to do with what I've been talking about.

Emperor Empoleon
5th December 2014, 1:34 AM
Did you read an extended version of the chapter that I missed? The chapter 3 I read had him fleeing with a case of diarrhea mere seconds after realizing why he liked her.

But it was after dropping that load that he cooks up the plan. On the same page. "If I make her think that Sasuke is a jerk..."

If the relating to her part was more significant, especially on a matter so important to him (being recognized), I would think he'd back off a-lot sooner than he did.

Akashin
5th December 2014, 1:38 AM
But it was after dropping that load that he cooks up the plan. On the same page. "If I make her think that Sasuke is a jerk..."

If the relating to her part was more significant, especially on a matter so important to him (being recognized), I would think he'd back off a-lot sooner than he did.

Sorry, I did miss that part (and was apparently too late in editing my post to account for that).

I don't know why you would think that. Naruto wasn't nearly that selfless at that point in the story.

Joltik-Kid
5th December 2014, 6:05 AM
Since this seems soo popular as a means to prove NaruSaku ended "here"... with this rivalry claim being the only "reason" Naruto loved Sakura...

http://s28.postimg.org/y92thkf31/exq2y.jpg


I've re-read the aforementioned chapters, and NH wasn't shallow at all. If something, it helped to the development of both of them (moments explained some posts ago). Sakura's crush, if shallow and fangirl like at first, really, but really turned into love after the 1st chuunin exams. And, as crazy as it seems, Sasuke DID care a lot about Sakura. Only that his hate path restrained him to show care of other women.
Care at all to give any proof to this? I mean just cause you "claim" it happened, doesn't mean we all know of what your talking about...

Lorde
5th December 2014, 6:35 AM
I've re-read the aforementioned chapters, and NH wasn't shallow at all. If something, it helped to the development of both of them (moments explained some posts ago). Sakura's crush, if shallow and fangirl like at first, really, but really turned into love after the 1st chuunin exams. And, as crazy as it seems, Sasuke DID care a lot about Sakura. Only that his hate path restrained him to show care of other women.

Sasuke cared for her, but I never really got romance vibes from him; it was always Sakura who had that, and she was misguided in my view. Her love for him only hurt her.

Emperor Empoleon
5th December 2014, 8:30 PM
Hold up tho. New revelation incoming.

http://yagami1211.tumblr.com/post/104404717206/another-interview-from-kishi
http://eiga.com/movie/79681/interview/


「ナルトがヒナタと一緒になることは結構早い段階で決めていましたね。だからこそ、ナルトとサクラがくっつ くかのようにミスリードさせるために、あえてサクラとナルトの母親であるクシナの動きを重ねるかのようなシ ーンを描いたりもしたんです」。

"NARUTO ga HINATA to isshou ni narukoto wa kekkou hayai dankai de kimeteimashitane. Dakara koso NARUTO to SAKURA ga kuttsuku ka no you ni MISLEAD saseru tame ni, aete SAKURA to NARUTO no hahaoya de aru KUSHINA no ugoki kaneru ka no you na SCENE wo egaitari moshitan desu."

short version :
Naruto ending up with Hinata was decided in the very early stages of the story.

Naruto being close to Sakura was a deliberate mislead, that was the entire point of the scenes of Sakura being compared to Kushina, for exemple.

The Last Movie is not only the story of Naruto falling in love with Hinata, but it is the story of Sakura & Naruto parting ways.

He felt the story of Naruto falling in love with Hinata has to be propely explained, or it wouldn’t be fair to the readers. That’s why the Last Movie exists.

EDIT : I gave the interview to two others translators outside of the Naruto fandom, just in case I got something wrong.
EDIT 2 : Pretty much 90% confirmed.
EDIT 3 : 100% Confirmed, retweeted by the Official Naruto Twitter Account.

Kishi the troll god. So it was all a deliberate trap then.

That's just mean. lol. He could've just given Hinata more time with him in the place of that. Not to say that she had none...

diakyu
5th December 2014, 9:22 PM
Hmmm, I wonder then if this movie was meant to be all about love for quite some time since he decided on Hinata a long time ago.

Lorde
5th December 2014, 9:30 PM
At least we know for sure that Naruto x Hinata was always meant to happen. Kishi basically being a troll is sad though. He's the new Kubo.

Void Ventus
5th December 2014, 11:24 PM
Kishimoto and Hiashi master of Eugenics confirmed.

LightningMaster95
6th December 2014, 12:10 AM
Narusaku fans where r u guys??? kishimoto just sank what ever was left of that ship and all of those "narusaku moments" were misleads
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time to sit back and watch narusaku fans call kishimoto a bad writer this week is going to be good

Jb
6th December 2014, 12:13 AM
jesus that must of been a brutal blow to the Narusaku fans. damn it all kishi

Akashin
6th December 2014, 12:27 AM
Am I the only one who's, like, 90% sure he heard all that quite some time ago? I could have sworn I'd heard Kishimoto say NaruHina had been his endgame from the beginning before.

Lorde
6th December 2014, 12:31 AM
Am I the only one who's, like, 90% sure he heard all that quite some time ago? I could have sworn I'd heard Kishimoto say NaruHina had been his endgame from the beginning before.

If he said this before, then why has NaruSaku vs. NaruHina been a thing since the manga ended? You'd think that if Kishi's intentions were already known, that shipping wars wouldn't have escalated so much. :x

Akashin
6th December 2014, 12:38 AM
If he said this before, then why has NaruSaku vs. NaruHina been a thing since the manga ended? You'd think that if Kishi's intentions were already known, that shipping wars wouldn't have escalated so much. :x

You're joking, right? If the matter being settled were enough to put an end to the shipping war, arguments would have ended with Chapter 700. That the matter is settled only escalated the arguments, not diminished them.

phanpycross
6th December 2014, 12:38 AM
LOL, saying Narusaku was a "deliberate mislead" is like Tolken taking credit for all the gay FrodoxSam fanfics.

Kinda sounds to me like he picked it out of a hat, and d.ecided to give himself credit for something accidental.

Like, I like the ship he went with, but saying it was planned kinda smells of "Of course I planned that twist all along, aint I clever?"

Akashin
6th December 2014, 12:45 AM
LOL, saying Narusaku was a "deliberate mislead" is like Tolken taking credit for all the gay FrodoxSam fanfics.

Kinda sounds to me like he picked it out of a hat, and d.ecided to give himself credit for something accidental.

Like, I like the ship he went with, but saying it was planned kinda smells of "Of course I planned that twist all along, aint I clever?"

That's sort of the hint I got, but there's not much choice but to take him at his word on it, really.

Red and Blue
6th December 2014, 12:45 AM
So NaruSaku was just one big fat red herring?

I feel really bad for any NaruSaku fan. It's like rubbing salt on a open wound for them

phanpycross
6th December 2014, 1:00 AM
That's sort of the hint I got, but there's not much choice but to take him at his word on it, really.

Yeah, we cant really do anything but just go laong with it.

Just seems kinda dickish IMO, the dude already had a 700 chapter super popular manga, no reason to act like he was dragging us by the nosehairs just to give himself credit.

Red and Blue
6th December 2014, 3:31 AM
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-12-05/new-naruto-project-to-open-next-august/.81827

so the spin off series is coming in August

Platinum fan.
6th December 2014, 3:38 AM
Hold up tho. New revelation incoming.

http://yagami1211.tumblr.com/post/104404717206/another-interview-from-kishi
http://eiga.com/movie/79681/interview/



Kishi the troll god. So it was all a deliberate trap then.

That's just mean. lol. He could've just given Hinata more time with him in the place of that. Not to say that she had none...

Talk about trolling. This makes every troll move Trolldara did in the war look like nothing. The trolling is too much here. Thankfully, I am not a shipper. At least not with NaruSaku or NaruHina. So this doesn't effect me at all. The real ship of the series was obviously Obito and Rin. It's the only ship I care about in Naruto now. Now if Kishi screwed up that one, I'd freak :P