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Lucario At Service
11th October 2008, 6:40 PM
This is my theory for the upcoming chapters,
Well i don't think that either Pain will catch Naruto or Naruto would defeat Pain as of now. As some people said, i think Pain will start his fight against Naruto & Naruto will give a good fight against him but then Pain learns that the 8-tails has managed to escape & then Pain goes after him. Naruto gets angry about this & at that time the ninja team from Cloud Country arrives to deliver the message & get to know that Killerbee has escaped Akatsuki so they prepare to send message about it to the Raikage & then decide to go to save him immediately. Tsunade decides to send Naruto with them to help because she think that Killerbee might help Naruto with the 9-tails.
But then Sasuke arrives to Konoha to detroy it & sees the situation & thinks that this might be the right time to attack the elders but Naruto steps in & have a fight with Sasuke during which Itachi's gift to Naruto would be revealed (though only a portion of it not the complete amount). This would make Sasuke retreat for the moment & thinks why would his brother do this to him. Also he would see that Naruto has gotten a lot stronger than before which would make him feel thats he is not so powerful to defeat the elders & starts to find a way to gain more power (propably accept Madara's offer to get a Bijuu or would be forced to use Itachi's eyes which he would feel would be right because of Itachi giving some of his power to Naruto to save Konoha).

Edit:- Well since we had the pics of all the nine Jinchuuriki in the recent chapter, could it be possible that in one of the upcoming chapter we would get the pics of the 9 beasts as well (the 9 Bijuu's i mean).

Razor Shiftry
11th October 2008, 8:07 PM
i LOVE the pic of the 4-tailed Jin (Ruoichi?) he looks awesome with his red hair n what not... <3 and of course, LAVA ELEMENT PWNAGE. why did he have to die? *cries*

and how on EARTH did the waterfall country grab a Jin when its not even a great country?

~Heaven Help Us~
11th October 2008, 9:36 PM
This is my theory for the upcoming chapters,
Well i don't think that either Pain will catch Naruto or Naruto would defeat Pain as of now. As some people said, i think Pain will start his fight against Naruto & Naruto will give a good fight against him but then Pain learns that the 8-tails has managed to escape & then Pain goes after him. Naruto gets angry about this & at that time the ninja team from Cloud Country arrives to deliver the message & get to know that Killerbee has escaped Akatsuki so they prepare to send message about it to the Raikage & then decide to go to save him immediately. Tsunade decides to send Naruto with them to help because she think that Killerbee might help Naruto with the 9-tails.
But then Sasuke arrives to Konoha to detroy it & sees the situation & thinks that this might be the right time to attack the elders but Naruto steps in & have a fight with Sasuke during which Itachi's gift to Naruto would be revealed (though only a portion of it not the complete amount). This would make Sasuke retreat for the moment & thinks why would his brother do this to him. Also he would see that Naruto has gotten a lot stronger than before which would make him feel thats he is not so powerful to defeat the elders & starts to find a way to gain more power (propably accept Madara's offer to get a Bijuu or would be forced to use Itachi's eyes which he would feel would be right because of Itachi giving some of his power to Naruto to save Konoha).

Edit:- Well since we had the pics of all the nine Jinchuuriki in the recent chapter, could it be possible that in one of the upcoming chapter we would get the pics of the 9 beasts as well (the 9 Bijuu's i mean).

that is an awesome theory LAS.
and that's true maybe they will show the beasts. hoepfully!!!

and Razor Shiftry, maybe the Shodai Hokage felt sorry for them and gave them one. Or they were really lucky to get one.

uber gon
11th October 2008, 10:17 PM
Naruto is getting REALLY good now.

Hope his Sage Mode will help him. Heh, maybe we'll see him use some more kick *** ninjutsu.:)

~Heaven Help Us~
11th October 2008, 10:20 PM
Hope his Sage Mode will help him. Heh, maybe we'll see him use some more kick *** ninjutsu.:)

Like a perfected Rasenshuriken.

uber gon
11th October 2008, 10:32 PM
Like a perfected Rasenshuriken.

Maybe, but it'd be nice to see Naruto expand his repetoire.

HoennMaster
11th October 2008, 10:43 PM
What is this Itachi's gift everyone is talking about? I'm guessing this must have happened before I started reading the spoilers.

~Heaven Help Us~
11th October 2008, 10:44 PM
Maybe, but it'd be nice to see Naruto expand his repetoire.

It'd be cool if he used his Fuuton techniques like how Sora(from the Anime fillers) uses it.

Horoika1
11th October 2008, 11:16 PM
My theory, albeit short, is the ending I would be comfortable with and it'd have a plot twist.

Pain catches Naruto at the end of his Assault of Konoha. Sasuke is there at the sealing ceremony. Then he attacks the remainder of Akatsuki. He explains that Tsunade sent him on a mission to kill Orochimaru and destroy Akatsuki from the inside, when he left Konoha the cover story would be his defection. But since he learned of what the Elders did to his clan because of what Madara told him, he plans to kill Naruto for some reason later explained. Sasuke becomes corrupt and sets the Tailed-Beasts free but gets himself killed. Naruto seals them away and dies like his Father. Both die, funeral, end of story, sorta cheesy.

I find it cheesy if Sasuke turns good...doesn't feel right.

Kakashi-Sharingan Warrior
12th October 2008, 1:04 AM
My theory on Naruto:

- Kakashi and Pein will fight for a while. Message gets to Naruto and Pa to return to Konoha.
- While in Konoha, Konoha's nin will be fending off Pein's different bodies. Kakashi will be on the verge of death when Guy comes in to defend Kakashi. Pein will hear of Naruto's presence and go to confront him.
- Naruto and Pein will have a brief confronation, however, Pein is ordered by Madara to track down Killerbee.
- As Konoha is recovering from the onslaught, the team of the Cloud Country arrives at Konoha. Naruto, Sakura, Shino, Hinata and Tenten(they need more screentime) - Team Hawk is under orders from Madara to protect the Akatsuki hideout while they seal 'Killerbee', but they are soon found by the Konoha, where the following battles will take place: Sakura, Shino and Tenten VS Karin, Jugo and Suigetsu.

- Naruto and Hinata then go on to try and find Killerbee using Hinata's byakugan, however, they are intercepted by Sasuke. Naruto is shocked to see Sasuke wearing the Akatsuki cloak, challenging him about his reasoning for doing so and bringing up Itachi, Sasuke tells Naruto the 'truth' he learned from Madara, which shocks Naruto. On orders from Madara, Hawk and the rest of Akatsuki then retreat, leaving 'Killerbee', whom they then notice is a fake.
- Returning to Konoha, the cloud village is pleased to hear that Killerbee might still be alive, however, Pein and Konan have tracked him down. Weakened from his Konoha campaign, he lets Karin take care of the weakned Killerbee. Naruto learns of Kakashi's battle with Pein, and vows to kill Pein, and Akatsuki, no matter what it takes.
- After the real Killerbee is sealed, Madara yells at Sasuke and Hawk for not noticing it, where Sasuke gets defensive. Madara tells Sasuke that he isn't so special and if he wants a chance to avenge Itachi, he'd better stay in line, and dispose of Naruto, the only person he'll hesitate to kill (in Madara's eyes).
- While recovering, Kakashi tells Naruto and the others of Pein's insane strength, and how he can see how Jiraiya couldn't survive. Tsunade then sends out a team to track down Pein: Guy, Lee, Sai, Naruto and Sakura. Having had his sage training, and knowing the secret of Pein, Tsunade is confident that Naruto can win.
- The team finally tracks down Pein and Konan, however, Hawk are ordered to protect the two, so the following battles take place:
Sakura vs Karin
Guy and Lee vs Suigetsu and Jugo
Tenten and Sai vs Konan

Guy and Lee are soon over-powered by Suigetsu and Jugo. Guy, seeing his beloved student in severe danger, opens the eigth gate, much to Lee's dismay. Guy and Lee, realising it as their final battle together, fight their hardest. However, despite their best efforts, Suigetsu and Jugo, barely alive, manage to escape. Guy, having opened the eigth gate, dies in Lee's arms.

- Naruto, having finally caught up with Pein fights with him. After a long, difficult fight, Naruto goes into sage mode, and defeats Pein with the original rasengan (as a homage to Jiraiya). Just before Pein dies and his secret is made clear to the readers, Pein admits to Naruto that he is not the true leader of Akatsuki, Madara Uchiha is, and the location of his hideout.

- After returning to Konoha yet again, they have a funeral for Guy. Afterwards, Naruto relays this information to Tsunade, who reflects on the damage inflicted to the village, and to the shinobi world by Akatsuki, and along with the other hidden villages, declares war on Akatsuki.

- Madara, hearing news of Pein's defeat, feels it is time that he makes a return to Konoha, to capture the nine-tailed fox himself, noting Sasuke's reluctance to do so. Sasuke, wanting to avenge his brother goes along.

- The Uchihas reach the severely weakened Konoha. It doesn't take long before Madara has located Naruto, and informs him of the situation. Naruto tries to fight back but is easily subdued my Madara. Meanwhile, Sasuke makes his way to the Hokage's building to act out his revenge. After killing the two elders, he confronts Tsunade, and after a brief battle, Tsunade is left on the verge of death, with Shizune coming to her rescue. Tsunade tells Sasuke that what Madara had told him were lies, and tells him the whole truth about Itachi, and that fateful night. Spurred by this news, Sasuke has no idea who to believe anymore, but refrains from killing Tsunade, instead just leaving, crying out of confusion. Sasuke then sees Madara carrying the unconscious Naruto off, and remembering that if the nine-tailed fox is sealed, Naruto will die. However, knowing he isn't a match for Madara, he withholds attacking Madara.

- Back at the Akatsuki hideout the sealing ritual for the nine-tailed fox begins. Sasuke and Hawk intercept, with Sasuke realizing there are things more valuble than revenge. Kisame and Suigetsu fight, Zetsu and Jugo fight, and Sasuke takes on Madara. Madara easily over-powers Sasuke. Naruto wakes up to see Sasuke and Madara fighting and decides to help his former comrade, however, being in the middle of the sealing ritual, Madara takes control of Naruto and extracts the Kyubi, leaving him dead. Konoha's rescue team of Yamato, Sakura, Ino, Shizune and some Konoha medical ninja arrive, Akatsuki then retreat. Sakura sees Naruto dead, and cries out, then remembers what Chiyo did for Gaara and attempts to bring him back. Knowing it will take her life, Ino joins in, to save Sakura as well. Eventually, Naruto is brought back to life, leaving Sakura and Ino unconscious, but still alive. Yamato gives Sasuke the option of returning to Konoha, but Sasuke tells him that after what he has done, he is no longer welcome there.

- After some rehabiliation, Tsunade discusses their final plans to take down Madara and Akatsuki and sends out a team of several shinobi to Madara's lair.

- At Madara's lair, Madara reminds himself that now he and Zetsu are the only current surviving members, so he elects some of his lower-level agents as new members.

- When they reach Madara's lair, eventually a lot of the Naruto cast are pulled into battles with various Akatsuki agents, and some, the newer members. Yamato is pulled into battle with Zetsu, which after a long battle, Yamato wins.

- Eventually, Naruto reaches Madara and the two fight, with Madara using the power of the nine-beasts to easily subdue Naruto, however, Sasuke arrives in time with his Mangekyo Sharingan, and eventually the two together manage to take down Madara.

- 5 Years later, Naruto is now the Sixth Hokage and looks a lot like his father. He speaks to the people of Konoha about the appointment of Sasuke Uchiha and Sakura Haruna, as the 'advisors/elders' of Konoha. Kakashi is then seen sitting in a chair, with his mask off, reading a copy of the recent 'Make-Out' book, showing that in respect of his former sensei, Naruto has continued the series, and several other Naruto characters are shown in similar scenarios, also showing Shikamaru and Temari are now together, and Gaara has a child with an un-named woman. Naruto and Sasuke then decide to have a sparring match, for old times' sake.While they fight, Sakura is watching with a young, blonde-haired baby in her arms. The camera pans to the sky, where the words 'THE END' appear.

- Kabuto is then shown laughing manically in the background, probably showing that there will still be conflict to come in their lives.

Yeah, sounds like a terrible fanfiction I know...especially at the end...but we all know the real ending will probably be worse than this....with no Kakashi T_T

LonesomeDiamond
12th October 2008, 2:58 AM
^you typoed...you said Karin instead of Konan when you talked about Pein infiltrating Konoha again...and you didnt explain how Konan or Karin would have died...

Im holding back my opinions on all of these...and i really dont think Sasuke will be having a change of heart...

Also, this week was the 9 year anniversary of the Naruto Manga...thats why the 9 Jinchuuriki were on that poster....so i dont think we'll get to see the 9 Bijuu next week...:( I wanted to see that too...

Horoika1
12th October 2008, 3:57 AM
^Another 9 years lol?

Maybe for Year 10 it'll be the 10 members of Akatsuki? I don't know lol.

~Heaven Help Us~
12th October 2008, 4:07 AM
My theory on Naruto:

- Kakashi and Pein will fight for a while. Message gets to Naruto and Pa to return to Konoha.
- While in Konoha, Konoha's nin will be fending off Pein's different bodies. Kakashi will be on the verge of death when Guy comes in to defend Kakashi. Pein will hear of Naruto's presence and go to confront him.
- Naruto and Pein will have a brief confronation, however, Pein is ordered by Madara to track down Killerbee.
- As Konoha is recovering from the onslaught, the team of the Cloud Country arrives at Konoha. Naruto, Sakura, Shino, Hinata and Tenten(they need more screentime) - Team Hawk is under orders from Madara to protect the Akatsuki hideout while they seal 'Killerbee', but they are soon found by the Konoha, where the following battles will take place: Sakura, Shino and Tenten VS Karin, Jugo and Suigetsu.



- Naruto and Hinata then go on to try and find Killerbee using Hinata's byakugan, however, they are intercepted by Sasuke. Naruto is shocked to see Sasuke wearing the Akatsuki cloak, challenging him about his reasoning for doing so and bringing up Itachi, Sasuke tells Naruto the 'truth' he learned from Madara, which shocks Naruto. On orders from Madara, Hawk and the rest of Akatsuki then retreat, leaving 'Killerbee', whom they then notice is a fake.
- Returning to Konoha, the cloud village is pleased to hear that Killerbee might still be alive, however, Pein and Karin have tracked him down. Weakened from his Konoha campaign, he lets Karin take care of the weakned Killerbee. Naruto learns of Kakashi's battle with Pein, and vows to kill Pein, and Akatsuki, no matter what it takes.
- After the real Killerbee is sealed, Madara yells at Sasuke and Hawk for not noticing it, where Sasuke gets defensive. Madara tells Sasuke that he isn't so special and if he wants a chance to avenge Itachi, he'd better stay in line, and dispose of Naruto, the only person he'll hesitate to kill (in Madara's eyes).
- While recovering, Kakashi tells Naruto and the others of Pein's insane strength, and how he can see how Jiraiya couldn't survive. Tsunade then sends out a team to track down Pein: Guy, Lee, Sai, Naruto and Sakura. Having had his sage training, and knowing the secret of Pein, Tsunade is confident that Naruto can win.
- The team finally tracks down Pein and Konan, however, Hawk are ordered to protect the two, so the following battles take place:
Sakura vs Karin
Guy and Lee vs Suigetsu and Jugo
Tenten and Sai vs Konan

Guy and Lee are soon over-powered by Suigetsu and Jugo. Guy, seeing his beloved student in severe danger, opens the eigth gate, much to Lee's dismay. Guy and Lee, realising it as their final battle together, fight their hardest. However, despite their best efforts, Suigetsu and Jugo, barely alive, manage to escape. Guy, having opened the eigth gate, dies in Lee's arms.

- Naruto, having finally caught up with Pein fights with him. After a long, difficult fight, Naruto goes into sage mode, and defeats Pein with the original rasengan (as a homage to Jiraiya). Just before Pein dies and his secret is made clear to the readers, Pein admits to Naruto that he is not the true leader of Akatsuki, Madara Uchiha is, and the location of his hideout.

- After returning to Konoha yet again, they have a funeral for Guy. Afterwards, Naruto relays this information to Tsunade, who reflects on the damage inflicted to the village, and to the shinobi world by Akatsuki, and along with the other hidden villages, declares war on Akatsuki.

- Madara, hearing news of Pein's defeat, feels it is time that he makes a return to Konoha, to capture the nine-tailed fox himself, noting Sasuke's reluctance to do so. Sasuke, wanting to avenge his brother goes along.

- The Uchihas reach the severely weakened Konoha. It doesn't take long before Madara has located Naruto, and informs him of the situation. Naruto tries to fight back but is easily subdued my Madara. Meanwhile, Sasuke makes his way to the Hokage's building to act out his revenge. After killing the two elders, he confronts Tsunade, and after a brief battle, Tsunade is left on the verge of death, with Shizune coming to her rescue. Tsunade tells Sasuke that what Madara had told him were lies, and tells him the whole truth about Itachi, and that fateful night. Spurred by this news, Sasuke has no idea who to believe anymore, but refrains from killing Tsunade, instead just leaving, crying out of confusion. Sasuke then sees Madara carrying the unconscious Naruto off, and remembering that if the nine-tailed fox is sealed, Naruto will die. However, knowing he isn't a match for Madara, he withholds attacking Madara.

- Back at the Akatsuki hideout the sealing ritual for the nine-tailed fox begins. Sasuke and Hawk intercept, with Sasuke realizing there are things more valuble than revenge. Kisame and Suigetsu fight, Zetsu and Jugo fight, and Sasuke takes on Madara. Madara easily over-powers Sasuke. Naruto wakes up to see Sasuke and Madara fighting and decides to help his former comrade, however, being in the middle of the sealing ritual, Madara takes control of Naruto and extracts the Kyubi, leaving him dead. Konoha's rescue team of Yamato, Sakura, Ino, Shizune and some Konoha medical ninja arrive, Akatsuki then retreat. Sakura sees Naruto dead, and cries out, then remembers what Chiyo did for Gaara and attempts to bring him back. Knowing it will take her life, Ino joins in, to save Sakura as well. Eventually, Naruto is brought back to life, leaving Sakura and Ino unconscious, but still alive. Yamato gives Sasuke the option of returning to Konoha, but Sasuke tells him that after what he has done, he is no longer welcome there.

- After some rehabiliation, Tsunade discusses their final plans to take down Madara and Akatsuki and sends out a team of several shinobi to Madara's lair.

- At Madara's lair, Madara reminds himself that now he and Zetsu are the only current surviving members, so he elects some of his lower-level agents as new members.

- When they reach Madara's lair, eventually a lot of the Naruto cast are pulled into battles with various Akatsuki agents, and some, the newer members. Yamato is pulled into battle with Zetsu, which after a long battle, Yamato wins.

- Eventually, Naruto reaches Madara and the two fight, with Madara using the power of the nine-beasts to easily subdue Naruto, however, Sasuke arrives in time with his Mangekyo Sharingan, and eventually the two together manage to take down Madara.

- 5 Years later, Naruto is now the Sixth Hokage and looks a lot like his father. He speaks to the people of Konoha about the appointment of Sasuke Uchiha and Sakura Haruna, as the 'advisors/elders' of Konoha. Kakashi is then seen sitting in a chair, with his mask off, reading a copy of the recent 'Make-Out' book, showing that in respect of his former sensei, Naruto has continued the series, and several other Naruto characters are shown in similar scenarios, also showing Shikamaru and Temari are now together, and Gaara has a child with an un-named woman. Naruto and Sasuke then decide to have a sparring match, for old times' sake.While they fight, Sakura is watching with a young, blonde-haired baby in her arms. The camera pans to the sky, where the words 'THE END' appear.

- Kabuto is then shown laughing manically in the background, probably showing that there will still be conflict to come in their lives.

Yeah, sounds like a terrible fanfiction I know...especially at the end...but we all know the real ending will probably be worse than this....with no Kakashi T_T


that's pretty tight. but IMO i think Naruto is gonna go with Hinata no Sakura.and also i doubt that Naruto will ever have the Kyuubi removed. i would hate it when Naruto ends.also i doubt Guy will die and i doubt Kakashi will just one day not wear his mask anymore.

uber gon
12th October 2008, 8:39 AM
Wonder if whatever Itachi gave Naruto will have some connection to crows, tengu, or some other bird?

jiang
12th October 2008, 9:13 AM
I did like this chapter. =) seriously.

HoennMaster
12th October 2008, 12:24 PM
That was actually good! Although you missed Konan dying. I love how Naruto ends up with Sakura and not Hinata, and Tsunade does not die! Although I also agree that I doubt the nine tailed fox will be removed. Still good though!

Kakashi-Sharingan Warrior
12th October 2008, 12:53 PM
^you typoed...you said Karin instead of Konan when you talked about Pein infiltrating Konoha again...and you didnt explain how Konan or Karin would have died...

Im holding back my opinions on all of these...and i really dont think Sasuke will be having a change of heart...

Also, this week was the 9 year anniversary of the Naruto Manga...thats why the 9 Jinchuuriki were on that poster....so i dont think we'll get to see the 9 Bijuu next week...:( I wanted to see that too...

Did I *checks* *Changes*

Well, I think Sasuke will either have a change of heart, or he will die in battle against Madara. Also, they'd probably die by the Deus ex Machina move of that chapter xD

Other plot alterations are Kakashi dying against Pein, which I really don't hope happens (he's my fave character T_T), but I feel that would be too risky in terms of Naruto's seal, as losing Jiraiya was enough, it would send him out of control.

With Kakashi's mask, it will probably come off in his battle with Pein, and after some discussion with Guy, he will probably realize that he no longer has to live in his father's shadow, and there will possibly some jokey comment from Guy how Kakashi looks better without the mask. It's the only possible way to see him without his mask unless it comes off the moment before he dies. With NaruxSaku, I feel that after the timeskip Naruto and Sakura have definatly been getting closer, and if you look in one of the chapters after the Hidan and Kakazu arc, when they're eating ramen, she definatly tries to put the moves on Naruto, until Sai jumps in.

HoennMaster
12th October 2008, 1:02 PM
I didn't started reading the spoilers until after the Sasuke/Itachi fight, so which chapter was that?

I agree though, Naruto and Sakura are way closer, and it's nice.

Kakashi-Sharingan Warrior
12th October 2008, 1:13 PM
You mean the chapter where they ates Ramen? I can't remember, all I remember was it was the chapter with 'Double Knockout Girls' and what I wish I could forget, 'Double Knockout Guys'.

I think Sakura has been dropping in little kinds of how she now 'likes' Naruto, which I think is great. You've lost your fangirls now Sasuke, all you have is the machocist Karin xD

Lucario At Service
12th October 2008, 1:15 PM
What is this Itachi's gift everyone is talking about? I'm guessing this must have happened before I started reading the spoilers.

Well check chapter 403 & you will understand what we were talking about.

As for the Sage Mode of Naruto, it feels like a rechargable battery system to me where Fukasaku acts as the recharging unit & Naruto as the battery & the Nature energy as the electrical charge which charges the battery with the help of the unit. But the down side in there & here is that a charged battery runs for around 5-6 hours if used properly (after a charge of around 16 hours) but Naruto's charge will last only 5 min (after the charge of unknown min).

~Heaven Help Us~
12th October 2008, 3:39 PM
I really wanna see Tajuu Kage Bunshin 3 Tailed Naruto in Sage Mode while doing a perfected Rasenshuriken. I'm saying 3 tailed cuz if he goes 4 he'll lose control, and that would suck.

LonesomeDiamond
12th October 2008, 7:05 PM
I think it would be better if he DID lose control, i always love that. 4-tailed sage mode w/ a Kyuubi Rasenshuriken(possible projectile)...scratch the Tajuu kage bunshin for this though, cuz that would be overkill(it would take forever for Kishi to shade all those).

If Kakashi DOESNT die during this fight, hes going to the hospital again...im sick of Kakashi going to the hospital...so i hate to say it, but i hope he dies XP

And the only fight scene im hoping for at this point is Guy and Lee vs Kisame and Suigetsu....

~Heaven Help Us~
12th October 2008, 9:46 PM
I think it would be better if he DID lose control, i always love that. 4-tailed sage mode w/ a Kyuubi Rasenshuriken(possible projectile)...scratch the Tajuu kage bunshin for this though, cuz that would be overkill(it would take forever for Kishi to shade all those).

If Kakashi DOESNT die during this fight, hes going to the hospital again...im sick of Kakashi going to the hospital...so i hate to say it, but i hope he dies XP

And the only fight scene im hoping for at this point is Guy and Lee vs Kisame and Suigetsu....

Yeah but if he went out of control then he won't know who is his enemy and who is his ally. So 3 tails i enough.

and yeah the Lee+Guy Vs. Suigetsu+Kisama fight would be awesome.

uber gon
12th October 2008, 10:39 PM
Well check chapter 403 & you will understand what we were talking about.

As for the Sage Mode of Naruto, it feels like a rechargable battery system to me where Fukasaku acts as the recharging unit & Naruto as the battery & the Nature energy as the electrical charge which charges the battery with the help of the unit. But the down side in there & here is that a charged battery runs for around 5-6 hours if used properly (after a charge of around 16 hours) but Naruto's charge will last only 5 min (after the charge of unknown min).

Well Naruto will probably be able to get more power, but he has to stay completely still to get it.

HoennMaster
13th October 2008, 9:13 AM
I think Sakura has been dropping in little kinds of how she now 'likes' Naruto, which I think is great. You've lost your fangirls now Sasuke, all you have is the machocist Karin xD

Yes, I believe her first one was right away after he returned to the village.

I wonder what this week's chapter will be like? Sure Pain will continue his attack, but I wonder how much Naruto/Tsunade time we will actually get. Also, I would like to see Konan do something.

Kakashi-Sharingan Warrior
13th October 2008, 11:13 AM
Yeah, Do something Konan! xD


and Uber Gon, Pa has already explained something to that extent. Pa will fuse onto Naruto's shoulder and stay still to absorb the natural energy, and at times, Naruto can stay still and absorb energy and Pa will move.

Kaim_Fabuyashi
13th October 2008, 3:17 PM
hmmmmmmmm.........Smart Tsunade lets bring back our only hope to the village while the most powerful madman in the world is running rampant in it. I dunno about you and what your thinking about big strong guys, but this isnt your bed.

But seriously I honestly dont think Naruto would defeat Pein, i agree that he will probably get captured and Sasuke will have something happen to his outlook on crap. Who knows? >__<

~Kaim

~Heaven Help Us~
13th October 2008, 4:10 PM
hmmmmmmmm.........Smart Tsunade lets bring back our only hope to the village while the most powerful madman in the world is running rampant in it. I dunno about you and what your thinking about big strong guys, but this isnt your bed.

But seriously I honestly dont think Naruto would defeat Pein, i agree that he will probably get captured and Sasuke will have something happen to his outlook on crap. Who knows? >__<

~Kaim
I think you're the only one that thinks that Naruto can't defeat Pain.

uber gon
13th October 2008, 6:11 PM
I think you're the only one that thinks that Naruto can't defeat Pain.

Well I'm sure Naruto will defeat most of the bodies, but not the actual body of Pain.

Horoika1
13th October 2008, 11:26 PM
I am also with the belief that Naruto is going to lose to Pain.

Did anyone see my theory a few pages back? Here it is if you didn't see and are interested:


My theory, albeit short, is the ending I would be comfortable with and it'd have a plot twist.

Pain catches Naruto at the end of his Assault of Konoha. Sasuke is there at the sealing ceremony. Then he attacks the remainder of Akatsuki. He explains that Tsunade sent him on a mission to kill Orochimaru and destroy Akatsuki from the inside, when he left Konoha the cover story would be his defection. But since he learned of what the Elders did to his clan because of what Madara told him, he plans to kill Naruto for some reason later explained. Sasuke becomes corrupt and sets the Tailed-Beasts free but gets himself killed. Naruto seals them away and dies like his Father. Both die, funeral, end of story, sorta cheesy.

I find it cheesy if Sasuke turns good...doesn't feel right.

~Heaven Help Us~
14th October 2008, 12:18 AM
I am also with the belief that Naruto is going to lose to Pain.

Did anyone see my theory a few pages back? Here it is if you didn't see and are interested:

yeah we seen it.

uber gon
14th October 2008, 12:43 AM
Naruto will probably beat up all the bodies, but they'll probably say that he still needs to beat the REAL Pain.

HoennMaster
14th October 2008, 8:53 AM
Hopefully this multiple bodies thing doesn't lead to an extremely long fight.

uber gon
15th October 2008, 12:13 AM
Hopefully this multiple bodies thing doesn't lead to an extremely long fight.

I'm just hoping Kurenai and her baby aren't casualties. That would really make me stop reading Naruto.

Kaim_Fabuyashi
15th October 2008, 3:59 AM
I think you're the only one that thinks that Naruto can't defeat Pain.

Maybe I am, but look, it is 1 vs 6, the one being Naruto, right there we may be a bit screwed, the other factor is that the 6 is Pein, the most powerful ninja in the world at the moment. So for Naruto to take down every single body Pein has is a stretch, even for the Kyuubi and Sage mode, but possible. I just dont se it happening.

~Kaim

~Heaven Help Us~
15th October 2008, 4:38 AM
Maybe I am, but look, it is 1 vs 6, the one being Naruto, right there we may be a bit screwed, the other factor is that the 6 is Pein, the most powerful ninja in the world at the moment. So for Naruto to take down every single body Pein has is a stretch, even for the Kyuubi and Sage mode, but possible. I just dont se it happening.

~Kaim

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it sounded like you thought it's a bad thing. It's not. lol sorry if it did.

uber gon
15th October 2008, 6:25 AM
I'm just hoping Kurenai and the baby survive this. It'd really suck if Sasuke killed her or something.

HoennMaster
15th October 2008, 8:45 AM
I think that Naruto will only have to fight 3 or 4 bodies and have help with the others.

Yeah, Kurenai dying would suck. So would Tsunade dying.

uber gon
15th October 2008, 7:37 PM
I think that Naruto will only have to fight 3 or 4 bodies and have help with the others.

Yeah, Kurenai dying would suck. So would Tsunade dying.

As long as Naruto learns some epic wind jutsu and Kurenai lives I'll be satisfied.

~Heaven Help Us~
15th October 2008, 10:07 PM
holy ****, Danzou is behind the attack too!! and it looks like Sasuke has arrived, it looks like his sword of kusunagi am i right?? (http://image03.pita.st/tmp/m/7/m7emo3nw_9.jpg)

LonesomeDiamond
15th October 2008, 10:10 PM
that isnt the sword of Kusanagi...Akatsuki has that(after Itachi killed Orochimaru, it was left behind).

goggles...a frog...crap, did he just kill konohamaru!? >_<

I dont think Danzou is part of the plot...hes just willing to kill people...so he is XP

~Heaven Help Us~
15th October 2008, 10:24 PM
that isnt the sword of Kusanagi...Akatsuki has that(after Itachi killed Orochimaru, it was left behind).

goggles...a frog...crap, did he just kill konohamaru!? >_<

I dont think Danzou is part of the plot...hes just willing to kill people...so he is XP

yeah but member that sasuke has one that kinda looks the same.

MarshtompMan
15th October 2008, 10:48 PM
holy ****, Danzou is behind the attack too!! and it looks like Sasuke has arrived, it looks like his sword of kusunagi am i right?? (http://image03.pita.st/tmp/m/7/m7emo3nw_9.jpg)

AARGH!!!!
Why won't that guy just die already?!?!?!
CURSE HIM!!!

NoDice
15th October 2008, 11:44 PM
that isnt the sword of Kusanagi...Akatsuki has that(after Itachi killed Orochimaru, it was left behind).

goggles...a frog...crap, did he just kill konohamaru!? >_<

I dont think Danzou is part of the plot...hes just willing to kill people...so he is XP

Danzou killed the messenger frog that was supposed to bring Naruto back.
And I believe he was acting upon the wishes of the other elders, as Tsunade wanted to bring Naruto back to defend the village as a shinobi, while hte elders want Naruto to be protected as the villages secret weapon for war.


AARGH!!!!
Why won't that guy just die already?!?!?!
CURSE HIM!!!

I hate Danzou, almost as much as I hate Sasuke.

~Heaven Help Us~
16th October 2008, 12:41 AM
god dammit i just wanna kill danzou and the elders. hope sasuke gets here soon and kill them.

MarshtompMan
16th October 2008, 12:59 AM
god dammit i just wanna kill danzou and the elders. hope sasuke gets here soon and kill them.

Wow, that's exactly what I was thinking.
The only time the elders were of use was in the filler arc with the bombs in Konoha.
I didn't even know they could walk.
Too bad that wasn't canon in the Manga.

uber gon
16th October 2008, 1:10 AM
holy ****, Danzou is behind the attack too!! and it looks like Sasuke has arrived, it looks like his sword of kusunagi am i right?? (http://image03.pita.st/tmp/m/7/m7emo3nw_9.jpg)

I KNEW something was off about Danzou. I just KNEW it.

~Heaven Help Us~
16th October 2008, 3:48 AM
can't wait till friday to see what he's really up to.

HoennMaster
16th October 2008, 9:37 AM
Looks like that will be a good chapter. Where's Lucario when you need him! Danzo, what a creep. I was freaking out thinking he hit Tsunade. Thank God. Those village elders just suck.

Horoika1
16th October 2008, 10:07 PM
Yeah, I wonder where Lucario is with his usual spoilers.

I don't know why, but I don't share the same hate that you all have with Danzou. He's just another character, evil though.

uber gon
16th October 2008, 10:58 PM
Yeah, I wonder where Lucario is with his usual spoilers.

I don't know why, but I don't share the same hate that you all have with Danzou. He's just another character, evil though.

I guess after the whole Uchiha revelations people just started hating him. Well that, and he's been a complete jerk throughout the series.

~Heaven Help Us~
16th October 2008, 11:12 PM
Yeah, I wonder where Lucario is with his usual spoilers.

I don't know why, but I don't share the same hate that you all have with Danzou. He's just another character, evil though.

I hate Danzou's face. That why i really hate him. If he looked different, then i would hate him less.

daveshan
17th October 2008, 12:24 AM
Hey, all. It's been a while since I've asked for spoilers, but a thought popped into my head and it's begging for an answer.

Way, way back during the chunine (sp) exams, when they were in the forest, right before Horochimaru makes his move, Naruto gets hit with a needle or something on the back of his neck. As far as I've seen, it hasn't come up again. Did I miss something or have the writers just written it off?

~Heaven Help Us~
17th October 2008, 12:34 AM
Hey, all. It's been a while since I've asked for spoilers, but a thought popped into my head and it's begging for an answer.

Way, way back during the chunine (sp) exams, when they were in the forest, right before Horochimaru makes his move, Naruto gets hit with a needle or something on the back of his neck. As far as I've seen, it hasn't come up again. Did I miss something or have the writers just written it off?
could you find the chapter?

daveshan
17th October 2008, 2:02 AM
I don't know the chapter. It also was in the anime, if that makes that much of a difference. I was asking here, though, because the manga is so much farther ahead than the anime and if it was for anything important, the manga would have brought it up.

LonesomeDiamond
17th October 2008, 2:12 AM
Naruto was never hit in the neck during Orochimaru's introduction. He added a layer to his Kyuubi Seal...wait...do you mean sasuke and his curse mark!? cuz you REALLY need to catch up =_="

uber gon
17th October 2008, 7:15 AM
Wonder if Itachi's "gift" will affect Naruto while fighting Pein?

bigpop618
17th October 2008, 7:20 AM
Wonder if Itachi's "gift" will affect Naruto while fighting Pein?

You know I totally forgot about that. I think this might put Naruto over the top and a possible victory over Pein

uber gon
17th October 2008, 7:26 AM
You know I totally forgot about that. I think this might put Naruto over the top and a possible victory over Pein

Maybe it'll make Naruto more crowlike. Heh, imagine Naruto as the Japanese demon tengu.:p

RageKaiser
17th October 2008, 8:14 AM
So we have a frog causality. I hope Danzou dies, Quickly.

jiang
17th October 2008, 8:41 AM
I so hate danzou more after reading this chapter. he should die a long painful death. the series is getting good. I like how tsunade handled the two elders. serves them right. But how would naruto and fukasaku know what is happening to konoha. anybody here thinks kakashi could die?

Kakashi-Sharingan Warrior
17th October 2008, 4:54 PM
Seeing as the next chapter is called 'Kakashi's Hope' I'd say so T_T Kakashi is getting his butt kicked.
I did love how Tsunade pwned the elders, and I've never liked Danzo tbh...ANIMAL CRUETLY

uber gon
17th October 2008, 6:36 PM
So we have a frog causality. I hope Danzou dies, Quickly.

I just want to know what exactly are Danzou's plans?

Kakashi-Sharingan Warrior
17th October 2008, 6:46 PM
I think at the moment only Kishimoto (and maybe SJ editor) know. My theory is, is he's a spy (or maybe high standing figure, most likely) in Akatsuki.

uber gon
17th October 2008, 8:32 PM
I think at the moment only Kishimoto (and maybe SJ editor) know. My theory is, is he's a spy (or maybe high standing figure, most likely) in Akatsuki.

What if he was Nagato? Heh, that'd one hell of a plot twist.

~Heaven Help Us~
17th October 2008, 10:05 PM
Okay i seriously hate Danzou now!! I want him dead!!

Maybe Shikamaru or Shino,Kiba, and Hinata will come and help Kakashi out.

MarshtompMan
17th October 2008, 10:44 PM
So we have a frog causality. I hope Danzou dies, Quickly.


Okay i seriously hate Danzou now!! I want him dead!!


I so hate danzou more after reading this chapter. he should die a long painful death. the series is getting good. I like how tsunade handled the two elders. serves them right. But how would naruto and fukasaku know what is happening to konoha. anybody here thinks kakashi could die?

Finally, people share my hatred of Danzou!!!
I hated him from the start with him badmouthing the Hokages.
I'd rather he be trapped in the sword of kusanagi for eternity or something horrible like that.

Atoyont
17th October 2008, 11:05 PM
Actually, I doubt that Danzou is a part of Akatsuki. Remember, he's the leader of Root, and he wanted to become Hokage instead of Sarutobi.

He seems to be one who doesn't like to follow; he'd rather negotiate plans that, first and foremost, benefit himself.

Kakashi-Sharingan Warrior
17th October 2008, 11:17 PM
But couldn't him wanting to be hokage be a reason to join Akatsuki? Maybe Madara promised Danzou that if he helps Madara takes over the world, Danzou gets Konoha?

My theory now, with this revelation, is that Danzou was behind the whole Itachi thing, but because he's working with Madara, Madara tried to point the blame on Sarutobi. It makes sense, Itachi was a member of ANBU at the time, and Danzou is the leader of ROOT, an elite side of ANBU. Which leads me to think Sasuke won't kill the elders or Tsunade, but find out the truth and kill Danzou. However, it will also turn out Madara had no intention of keeping his promise to Danzou, just to screw the jerk over.

jiang
18th October 2008, 12:32 AM
I hope for the next chapter, a byakugan user- neji or hinata would help kakashi out against pain.

Atoyont
18th October 2008, 1:18 AM
But couldn't him wanting to be hokage be a reason to join Akatsuki? Maybe Madara promised Danzou that if he helps Madara takes over the world, Danzou gets Konoha?

My theory now, with this revelation, is that Danzou was behind the whole Itachi thing, but because he's working with Madara, Madara tried to point the blame on Sarutobi. It makes sense, Itachi was a member of ANBU at the time, and Danzou is the leader of ROOT, an elite side of ANBU. Which leads me to think Sasuke won't kill the elders or Tsunade, but find out the truth and kill Danzou. However, it will also turn out Madara had no intention of keeping his promise to Danzou, just to screw the jerk over.
Well, it seems to me that Danzou couldn't bear taking orders from anyone. He's an old, but skilled, Shinobi, and could definitely put up a fight against Madara if he had to do so. It is possible that he worked out a negotiation, though, and probably likely.

HoennMaster
18th October 2008, 8:27 AM
This is why I love Tsunade. Finally those elders got a piece of her mind. This story is getting really intense.

Kakashi-Sharingan Warrior
18th October 2008, 1:24 PM
Well, it seems to me that Danzou couldn't bear taking orders from anyone. He's an old, but skilled, Shinobi, and could definitely put up a fight against Madara if he had to do so. It is possible that he worked out a negotiation, though, and probably likely.

Well yeah, obviously they'd have negotiated it, but that doesn't mean Madara intends to keep up his end of the bargain.

~Heaven Help Us~
18th October 2008, 3:55 PM
Look at the mountains in the background.... you know what that means?? it means a Rasenshuriken. righ? righ? (http://www.mawsum.com/378/albums/10.jpg)

Lucario At Service
18th October 2008, 7:56 PM
Where's Lucario when you need him!

Yeah, I wonder where Lucario is with his usual spoilers.
Sorry for not being able to post anything (either be the spoiler info of Naruto or the episode pics of this weeks Pokemon anime) because my PC monitor wasn't workering (from Tuesday) & it went for repairs & it was only brought back few hours ago (today). :(

I just now read the new chapter & also read some reviews of people about it & if you ask me Danzou is really upto something serious.
My guess is that he wants everyone in the village to hate Tsunade & Naruto so that he could take control of Konoha & also since he likes wars i think he might find this attack of Pain on Konoha as a reason to start a war.
And how can he make the village people hate Naruto, i think its simple to understand that most of the people in the village believe that Naruto might come & do something about Pain because he is the main reason Pain attacked Konoha. Also i think that since Tsunade thinks that Naruto is going to show up soon she could focus presently on healing the wounded people but when she learns that Naruto isn't going to appear & goes to do something it would be too late for doing anything meaningful. This would surely make Tsunade & Naruto loss there respect in front of the village people.
Also my guess is that Danzou would be the one to attack the Investigation Squard & Shizune with his Root members to stop them from getting info about Pain & helping Tsunade in being able to stop Naruto.
According to me Danzou still feels that Naruto is a beast & doesn't have the right to gain any respect from anyone (because of the way he calls Naruto at the end of the chapter). Also i think that my speculation of Danzou previously attempted to kill the Nine-Tailed Fox i.e, Naruto (which results in Naruto's mother death) might become true after this chapter.

Look at the mountains in the background.... you know what that means?? it means a Rasenshuriken. righ? righ? (http://www.mawsum.com/378/albums/10.jpg)
Well it doesn't look like a damage done by Rasenshuriken (based on the damage) but more looks like a damage done by something similar to Temari's wind cutting attacks (the one she used against Tayuya before the time-skip).

LonesomeDiamond
18th October 2008, 8:19 PM
I havent really posted about this chapter yet, but Heaven Help Us, those are trees not mountains. I took me awhile to see it, but what it looks like he did was slice a bunch of trees apart w/ some crazy technique. that page was very good news imo...the best in the chapter :D

Token
18th October 2008, 8:35 PM
What if he was Nagato? Heh, that'd one hell of a plot twist.

He's either Obito, or the fourth Hokage.

LonesomeDiamond
18th October 2008, 8:41 PM
Danzou couldnt be any of those people. if he was Nagato, it would show in his EYES. Hes MUCH older than Obito, and Minato IS dead...(gotta love random uninformed comments like that)

I think LAS had it right about Danzou...He's just a douche =_="

I enjoyed the fact that Sasuke isnt the only one extending the possibilities of Chidori/Raikiri. That Lightning Dog was sweet.

uber gon
18th October 2008, 11:02 PM
Look at the mountains in the background.... you know what that means?? it means a Rasenshuriken. righ? righ? (http://www.mawsum.com/378/albums/10.jpg)

I'm leaning towards an even cooler wind jutsu attack.

~Heaven Help Us~
19th October 2008, 12:17 AM
I havent really posted about this chapter yet, but Heaven Help Us, those are trees not mountains. I took me awhile to see it, but what it looks like he did was slice a bunch of trees apart w/ some crazy technique. that page was very good news imo...the best in the chapter
how are those trees? i don't see them :s.


I enjoyed the fact that Sasuke isnt the only one extending the possibilities of Chidori/Raikiri. That Lightning Dog was sweet.
yeah the dog thing was so awesome!


I'm leaning towards an even cooler wind jutsu attack.
me too!

Blaziryu
19th October 2008, 2:04 AM
I think you guys are mistaken by Danzo's motives. All he wants is to be Hokage. His quickest rout is to see Tsunade's death. Knowing that Naruto might have a chance on defeating Pain, he kills the frog making Tsunade's death near-inevitable. He wanted to be Hokage before but was beat out by the 3rd, then saw 2 more Hokages take the title in front of him.

still shinyless ^_^
19th October 2008, 2:32 AM
i know this is weird but does anyone know where i can read the latest naruto chapters? the site i usually go to hasnt updated since chapter 419!
SO PLEASE HELP!

OH THANK YOU!!! ~Heaven Help Us~ i greatly appreciate it!

~Heaven Help Us~
19th October 2008, 2:57 AM
i know this is weird but does anyone know where i can read the latest naruto chapters? the site i usually go to hasnt updated since chapter 419!
SO PLEASE HELP!

Saiyanisland.com or onemanga.com or mangafox.com

i would go for saiyanisland.com

MarshtompMan
19th October 2008, 4:08 AM
I think you guys are mistaken by Danzo's motives. All he wants is to be Hokage. His quickest rout is to see Tsunade's death. Knowing that Naruto might have a chance on defeating Pain, he kills the frog making Tsunade's death near-inevitable. He wanted to be Hokage before but was beat out by the 3rd, then saw 2 more Hokages take the title in front of him.

So naturally, he wants the village to be destroyed so he can be Hokage of a wasteland.

uber gon
19th October 2008, 5:51 AM
So naturally, he wants the village to be destroyed so he can be Hokage of a wasteland.

Well either way he could become Hokage, and if that means destroying your own village, so be it.

Kaim_Fabuyashi
19th October 2008, 6:09 AM
he he, Danzou has a sword eh? I cant wait till he and Sasuke have a duel. Thats gunna be awsome no? and old guy with a broken arm who wants to kill everyone vs an emo kid. sweetness.

~Kaim

uber gon
19th October 2008, 10:13 PM
he he, Danzou has a sword eh? I cant wait till he and Sasuke have a duel. Thats gunna be awsome no? and old guy with a broken arm who wants to kill everyone vs an emo kid. sweetness.

~Kaim

That's probably a one-shot weapon. Although I really hope Sasuke does beat the **** out of him.

still shinyless ^_^
20th October 2008, 12:27 AM
i feel terrible for that toad!
didnt somebody notice danzou kill him?he was kinda in the same room right?

NoDice
20th October 2008, 1:23 AM
i feel terrible for that toad!
didnt somebody notice danzou kill him?he was kinda in the same room right?

I believe everyone else rushed out of the room.

HoennMaster
20th October 2008, 9:26 AM
Yeah, if you look at the scan, everyone leaves the room and then the toad prepares to leave and that's when Danzo strikes. I wonder where he was hiding during the conversation, and why.

uber gon
20th October 2008, 6:55 PM
Yeah, if you look at the scan, everyone leaves the room and then the toad prepares to leave and that's when Danzo strikes. I wonder where he was hiding during the conversation, and why.

Maybe he disguised himself as a house plant.:p

Atoyont
20th October 2008, 7:03 PM
Danzou's obviously quite skilled, although I wonder how Tsunade and the others didn't notice him if that's what he was doing.

daveshan
20th October 2008, 8:56 PM
Naruto was never hit in the neck during Orochimaru's introduction. He added a layer to his Kyuubi Seal...wait...do you mean sasuke and his curse mark!? cuz you REALLY need to catch up =_="

Sorry for not replying to this, I had a test today that I had to study for.

What I was referring to is, when Sasuke is telling them what the password will be, right before Orrochi attacks them and then disguises himself as Naruto, the real Naruto gets hit with a needle or something in the neck. That's what I'm wondering about.

ddacua93
20th October 2008, 10:43 PM
(I am contributing to the conversation)Irrelevant as it is but what do you think Danzo is up to(wanting Naruto out of the way)?

~Heaven Help Us~
20th October 2008, 10:47 PM
Danzou's obviously quite skilled, although I wonder how Tsunade and the others didn't notice him if that's what he was doing.

Well when your village is under attack, you have no time to notice the small things, because you are panicking. Worse, since you're the leader and your supposed to protect the village, you have to make difficult decisions.

uber gon
20th October 2008, 11:34 PM
Wonder how epic Danzou's plans will be?

HoennMaster
21st October 2008, 9:06 AM
Watch...they'll turn out to be something incredibly stupid.

daveshan
21st October 2008, 1:01 PM
Watch...they'll turn out to be something incredibly stupid.

He wants to steal Naruto's bucket.

jiang
21st October 2008, 3:58 PM
uhm danzou: crazy selfish old man + madara: crazy selfish older man = konoha screwed. Not a pretty equation.

HoennMaster
21st October 2008, 6:04 PM
Konoha will pull through.....it always does.

uber gon
21st October 2008, 8:49 PM
Konoha will pull through.....it always does.

But usually there's some heavy lose as a result. I'm hoping Danzou bites the dust.

Horoika1
21st October 2008, 10:26 PM
I have a feeling Kakashi is going to die. Just watching the episode where Asuma dies gives me a feeling of foreshadowing.

jiang
21st October 2008, 10:44 PM
^ I do have that feeling too but I hope he will not die. I think Kakashi is one of the coolest Naruto characters, Sasuke can go but not Kakashi.

~Heaven Help Us~
21st October 2008, 10:49 PM
^ I do have that feeling too but I hope he will not die. I think Kakashi is one of the coolest Naruto characters, Sasuke can go but not Kakashi.

I don't care who dies as long as Neji doesn't die. Neji is the best character IMO of course.

still shinyless ^_^
21st October 2008, 11:19 PM
oh yea they left the room,and DANZOU RANDOMLY KILLED THE TOAD AND TALKED TO HIMSELF!
i'd think someone should notice that!

Kakashi's raikiri is WAY TOO AWESOME!he cant die,done!

daveshan
22nd October 2008, 2:12 AM
^ I do have that feeling too but I hope he will not die. I think Kakashi is one of the coolest Naruto characters, Sasuke can go but not Kakashi.

Fine by me if Sasuke dies. If Orrochi, Itachi, and everything else important is taken care of, let him die.

still shinyless ^_^
22nd October 2008, 3:30 AM
WAIT A SECOND!!!
in chapter 420 when pain is kicking kakashi and kakashi summons that weird doggy wall,DID ANY ONE NOTICE PAIN WEARING A KONOHA HEADBAND?

ShadowDragon16
22nd October 2008, 3:39 AM
WAIT A SECOND!!!
in chapter 420 when pain is kicking kakashi and kakashi summons that weird doggy wall,DID ANY ONE NOTICE PAIN WEARING A KONOHA HEADBAND?


That was a Typo, even famous manga writers can make mistakes every now and then

Kaim_Fabuyashi
22nd October 2008, 3:48 AM
o_0 what is this? Danzou with a sword? anyone feel a duel between him and Sasuke coming on?

~Kaim

Horoika1
22nd October 2008, 3:54 AM
WAIT A SECOND!!!
in chapter 420 when pain is kicking kakashi and kakashi summons that weird doggy wall,DID ANY ONE NOTICE PAIN WEARING A KONOHA HEADBAND?

Lol, that is really funny. Unless it's on purpose, but I don't see how Yahiko was ever in Konoha, except now of course.
Must be a big booboo.

EDIT: Rank Up, yay!

jiang
22nd October 2008, 4:25 AM
o_0 what is this? Danzou with a sword? anyone feel a duel between him and Sasuke coming on?

~Kaim

Yeah, and both of them can kill each other, if either or both die, I dont care at all. That will be good for the story. Yeah, add Neji to the list of coolest Naruto characters.

uber gon
22nd October 2008, 5:53 AM
Yeah, and both of them can kill each other, if either or both die, I dont care at all. That will be good for the story. Yeah, add Neji to the list of coolest Naruto characters.

I'm thinking Sasuke will live, Danzou, not so much.

jiang
22nd October 2008, 8:06 AM
I'm thinking Sasuke will live, Danzou, not so much.
i know that is a given, kishi loves the emo kid.

HoennMaster
22nd October 2008, 9:06 AM
oh yea they left the room,and DANZOU RANDOMLY KILLED THE TOAD AND TALKED TO HIMSELF!
i'd think someone should notice that!

We were talking about Danzo hiding himself.

Lucario At Service
22nd October 2008, 7:29 PM
Well here is the spoiler of the upcoming chapter, not posting a summary of it (but the things present in the pics translated by other people) because its a bit confusing & the pics are not really of good quality so i can't say anything based on them.
Kakashi on the cover.

Konan turns into papers, asking around in the village.
Konan: Where is Uzumaki Naruto?
Ninja: I won't tell

Scene changes.
Pain goes around asking for Naruto's whereabouts while killing bunch of ninja.

On top of the Hokage statues,
Tsunade summons slug
and let her treat the injured villagers

Scene changes to Kakashi.
Attack fails.
Pain takes off his clothes and reveals himself as Asura-like (with many faces and hands)
The surprised Kakashi is sucked towards Pain.
He immediately stabilize himself.
Kakashi (So this is his ability!)
One man can't win against him. I need to call for back-up. At that moment, his abdomen is pierced by Pain.

But it's just a raiton kagebunshin.
Then two giant hands appear behind Pain.

One down, Kakashi.
Chouji and his dad show up.

Kakashi climbs out from rubbles. Actually I'd also completed my preparation.
But still thanks for the help.
The end.
Note:- At the end, i would again like to say sorry for not being able to post any spoiler info last week because my PC moniter wasn't working & went for repairs for 4 days.

uber gon
22nd October 2008, 7:36 PM
Well here is the spoiler of the upcoming chapter, not posting a summary of it (but the things present in the pics translated by other people) because its a bit confusing & the pics are not really of good quality so i can't say anything based on them.
Kakashi on the cover.

Konan turns into papers, asking around in the village.
Konan: Where is Uzumaki Naruto?
Ninja: I won't tell

Scene changes.
Pain goes around asking for Naruto's whereabouts while killing bunch of ninja.

On top of the Hokage statues,
Tsunade summons slug
and let her treat the injured villagers

Scene changes to Kakashi.
Attack fails.
Pain takes off his clothes and reveals himself as Asura-like (with many faces and hands)
The surprised Kakashi is sucked towards Pain.
He immediately stabilize himself.
Kakashi (So this is his ability!)
One man can't win against him. I need to call for back-up. At that moment, his abdomen is pierced by Pain.

But it's just a raiton kagebunshin.
Then two giant hands appear behind Pain.

One down, Kakashi.
Chouji and his dad show up.

Kakashi climbs out from rubbles. Actually I'd also completed my preparation.
But still thanks for the help.
The end.
Note:- At the end, i would again like to say sorry for not being able to post any spoiler info last week because my PC moniter wasn't working & went for repairs for 4 days.

So Tsunade summons slugs again, Kakashi beats a Pain body with the help of Choji and his dad, and we get to see a naked Pain...Sweet.

jiang
22nd October 2008, 8:56 PM
Great spoilers. so we are up for more action.

I do want to see Neji in action against a rinnegan user, same with Hinata. I hope they get to participate in a battle against one of pain's bodies.

~Heaven Help Us~
22nd October 2008, 10:05 PM
LAS, post pictures, i only look at the picture spoilers...

edit nvm i saw them. holy ****, kakashi gets stabbed by pain.

Shishioken
23rd October 2008, 12:53 AM
I'm not going to like posting here, but since an entire thread on this one thing I notice with long-running shounen manga would be a bit uncalled for, I'm going to ask: Do you guys ever notice how things that were supposed to be impossible to acquire and grant unlimited power, such as the Devi Fruits of One Piece, Philosopher's Stones and fragments from Fullmetal Alchemist, DeathNotes from... uh, yeah... they get overused and become given to just about every character as the series go on? Since most shounen are prone to relying on pure action to try to gain their fanbases, Super Saiyans and Dragonballs are as common as there are (poor excuses for) powerups, with multiple stages of them each (whichin the end result in hair growing down to a person's feet), Bleach has literally a thousand swords which transform and blast beams and such, with no real reason that they justified, and Naruto...? Well, tailbeasts and everyone becoming high-level ninjas and gaining those seal things that Sasuke has, and even Akatsuki member titles being handed out everywhere, and, and...

Yeah, that **** pretty much sucks and is overused as hell these days.

But at least it may be killing off characters introduced earlier on as the series goes on. Whittling down all the annoying characters with annoying-as-hell fanbases is win.

still shinyless ^_^
23rd October 2008, 2:35 AM
wow,i'm actually glad i noticed a typo,weird.
well isn't naruto coming back from the toad mountain anyways since he's nearly complete?

well i skipped 420 and went to a different site to read 421,and just read 420 recently. sorry T.T

daveshan
23rd October 2008, 2:36 AM
I'm not going to like posting here, but since an entire thread on this one thing I notice with long-running shounen manga would be a bit uncalled for, I'm going to ask: Do you guys ever notice how things that were supposed to be impossible to acquire and grant unlimited power, such as the Devi Fruits of One Piece, Philosopher's Stones and fragments from Fullmetal Alchemist, DeathNotes from... uh, yeah... they get overused and become given to just about every character as the series go on? Since most shounen are prone to relying on pure action to try to gain their fanbases, Super Saiyans and Dragonballs are as common as there are (poor excuses for) powerups, with multiple stages of them each (whichin the end result in hair growing down to a person's feet), Bleach has literally a thousand swords which transform and blast beams and such, with no real reason that they justified, and Naruto...? Well, tailbeasts and everyone becoming high-level ninjas and gaining those seal things that Sasuke has, and even Akatsuki member titles being handed out everywhere, and, and...

Yeah, that **** pretty much sucks and is overused as hell these days.

But at least it may be killing off characters introduced earlier on as the series goes on. Whittling down all the annoying characters with annoying-as-hell fanbases is win.

I'll take your word for most of that stuff, since I don't read them.

There is a good reason for all this SSJ rip-off stuff: people like it. Believe me, sometimes it does get over used and DBZ definitely overplayed the SSJ card. However, that was because they deviated from what the series started as where Goku and friends "leveled up" via learning new techniques and getting stronger was just incidental. Also, when looking at DBZ, remember, it originally wasn't supposed to go past the Cell Saga. So, in the scope of things, having only Gohan, the one who's supposed to replace Goku, going SSJ2 wasn't a bad move.

Back to everything else.

Yu-Yu Hakusho never did that. It was through hard training that they got stronger and, in the end, Kurama actually denied himself his super form so that he could live the way he wanted to.

As far as I recall, Gantz (although not the same type of series) has no super forms beyond the suits, which was day 1 material so you can't call it on that.

Berserk is a bit iffy. It's got the Berserk armor, but the armor comes at a heavy price.

I'm sure there are others.

~Heaven Help Us~
23rd October 2008, 2:51 AM
wow,i'm actually glad i noticed a typo,weird.
well isn't naruto coming back from the toad mountain anyways since he's nearly complete?
AND LASTLY,did anyone see hte pic that showed ALL THE JINCHUURIKI?
its on ch. 420 first page on mangashare

what week are you in?? we already passed that 2 weeks ago.

fireson360
23rd October 2008, 3:21 AM
The third tail demon never had an host. The chapter that shows all the demon hosts was pretty much bull when they show the third tail having a host.

Shishioken
23rd October 2008, 3:27 AM
Well according to Toriyama's "Ask me anything corner" which was dropped after a few volumes, originally he went for about 10 volumes having no idea how the hell it'd turn out to be the most popular shounen manga of the eighties and ninties spanning over 40 manga volumes and 500 episodes with nearly 20 movies and specials including the fillers and Gigantic Trash, but the fans liked it so much that even he felt the need to continue after the defeat of Piccolo and that's how Z began, and after a while (as we know), Super Saiyans were introduced even though Toriyama's intention was probably to have Goku, the successor of the Saiyan legacy brought on by his father and men, defeat Freeza as the legendary SSJ to avenge the deaths of all his kinsmen and comrades who died under Freeza's command including K-monk and his earthling comrades (the Saiyans were under Freeza's rule until Vegeta rebelled), but then the idea of bleached blonde men having high-speed battles against stronger and stronger enemies that all converge, drew in more audiences. To fit these demands, he had to recycle Freeza after he was blasted and left for the exploding planet (as Ginyu's ships are used as an excuse to keep Goku alive with newfound techniques and power), and by having him instantly killed, he made these new foes seem even stronger and again having Goku killed this time with Gohan avenging him as SSJ2 and take the throne as the Earth's protector, effectively established a (rather rushed and bit anticlimactic but nonetheless) fitting end for his long -winded series.

But then the fans wanted even more, and that's how the heap of hate came about on the Buu and GT arcs, the latter of which he took basically no part in save a few designs just as the movies were, and that's how they ended up so unsuccessful because, well, without the guy who brought the series and created all the many characters within them with his very hands (with little development to actually justify their actions but this is an action series), Toei just could not produce anything that had that neat touch (and a bit of actual thought) the canon parts had on them (and I suspect the same would go for the two movies being shot right now, and if they made a remake I'd seriously have to hold myself from shooting them all, Virginia-style) and were just failures as presentations and fights and even animation go (and they animated GT 10 years after DB1 began!).

But either way, Super saiyans were definitely overused. Having Goku go and transform? Not much of a surprise there, as we knew from the very start that Goku will one day have a go against the final boss in the midst of the struggle for the Dragonballs, but still a nice way to wrap things up tangibly. Trunks? Not nearly as much as Goku actually slaying the fallen villian after his refusal to take Goku's last gesture of mercy, but still as a plot device to balance things out it was okay. Vegeta, not really. Gohan? Since it represented the innate power that Gohan's been having as both a burden and weapon/talent, yes. SSJ2? YES, but the way he just "pwned C311" just like that and almost deliberately had his father kill himself, was a bit forced if you get what I mean. Then, the Gotenks kids? No, and NO NO NO x 230 squared in the case of the hair growing down to the person's ***, same with Goku.

Mind control, MORE absorbtions being repeated over and over to hit the other guy in the back of the head with the "u got nothin on mee nao" bullcrap? No. Fusions initiated from a mirror-image B-boy move which make two seven year old kids go and become the world's strongest mullet? Hell no. Earrings? **** earrings that permanently join to again surpass all of the above? Get the **** out. >_>

As for Gantz and Berserk, yes they have power-enhancer suits, but they are absolutely pivotal for the protangonist to stand a chance against the incoming threat that they realize they just can't take without them (though since Berserk is one of my favorite action series, I still can't see how all the Magic girls and fairies getting spammed is any good compared to volumes 6-22), but the Kyuubi and Cursed Seals and the powerups I mentioned get out of hand for me. DBZ would've done great (for its day and the standards they had back then for shounen manga) to stop at either the Freeza or the Cell eras, but Buu completely ruined the world view which the previous 30 volumes set, and GT with its apeshit and Goku the Jesus savior of us all for 64 episodes and a special, just plain killed the series worse than Brol* and "Hiroodehgawrn" did the (crappy excuses that they call) movies.

Bleach was one gigantic cliche with no motif or plotline and premise to begin with, so there's not much to say about it.

Naruto was a "fair enough" for a series that aims for 11-year old Elementary School kids until part two, but the Kewbiiis and the Curse Seals getting spammed when previously they were practically miracles to be even unlocked for more than eight minutes, and One Piece is still pretty good unlike most Shounen like DeathNut and Fullmental Echomize, but the shounen elements still haunt the series, and in the case of HunterxHunter, completely bites it by the throat and squeezes, HARD. YYH was good in the anime for a 90's television show that essentially exists to show demon battles against spirit-using middle school boys, but Shaman King fails at even that and so do things like Kenshin, except in the first OVA. There are tons more series as hundreds of manga are being published weekly and even more on biweekly and monthly and the whatnot in every shape and sizes (and target demographics), but they all somewhat suffer from this whole random powerups happening all one after the other.

Just my two cents.

Edit: And yes, my paragraph rants certainly do end up very, very long in this language. Sorry if it gets kinda hard to read, but I had to prove my point a bit by backing up my facts, you know? Even if.. yeah, bringing such **** into a Naruto thread isn't the world's most prudent action to take.. >_>

daveshan
23rd October 2008, 6:41 AM
Long, long rant. See it above.

I completely agree that the DB story should have ended with the Cell Saga. To end at Frieza would have left Gohan's potential as too much of a loose end where as the Cell Saga wrapped up a lot and left an end for Fanficers to go nuts with. So much in the Buu saga was bull and GT was Gigantic Trash. It still makes me cringe when I think about Goku telling that blue ice dragon that his body remembers an attack and it can't be used on him again after that. WTF? That's never been the case ever.

Naruto was solid for the Zabuza Arc. Started breaking up during the Chunine (sp?) exam. Then crumbled afterwards. It started off with real techniques and strategies mixed with some street magic. Got a little more magical, but stuck to the techniques. Then just went for broke with Naruto getting the super move of the Fourth and demonic transformations.

Shippuden has been some improvement. Now that they've been at it for years, I'm more tolerable of Kamehameha-level moves. But, with everyone having demons in them or being uber elites, it's starting to waver again.

Between Kenshin v Sito and the end of the Shishio Saga, Rurouni Kenshin was good. I'm glad CN stopped showing it there. Still, the episode where Migummi told Misao how to make her boobs bigger by rubbing them and drinking lots of milk so that Aoshi would like her was hilarious. The wedding ring one was funny too. His battle to save Karu from that other man slayer that could paralyze people by glaring at them was nice. Swinging the sheath after the sword was kick *ss.

Shishioken
23rd October 2008, 7:04 AM
If he remembered every attack, he'd be resistant to every technique which the three-eye has, which would make him stronger than Cell before he went into the Room OSaT (lol, SATs), ******** by the booger (need I post the ******** meter?), and that would make him... uh, invulnerable to pretty much every ability that the series freakin' has? That is priceless gold, but definitely not the worst they've thrown into the garbage heap that was GT. The whole thing from Babyparasaito to Yee Shing Loang was bull-****in' **** to the core (Super 17 makes me throw up on the carpet and so do the earlier episodes and the entire 3-series anime as a whole except a few minutes of the KidBuu fight). But damn, did I lol at "Misao rubbing her boobs til it grows bigger," care to link me via pm or at least provide the episode name?

And yeah, Naruto was okay if we're talking up to the Zabuza death since it was rather emotional for a shoddily drawn kids' coloring book, but by having Sasuke "narrowly avoid death" as if his "death," I just came to the conclusion that it was just an excuse for Narutu to go ololssj233442.444!!!1 for the fanservice, and Sakura just bein' there doin' nothing which barely changes even in Shippuden (let alone Sasuke retrieval, but that had an okay fight in the anime), and the characters are all crap (Kisame is the only good one, but only because of his skin and giant shark sword), especially the ones who were introduced in part 2. The entire Shikamaru team is garbage from the whiny ***** to the fat bastard, Neji was okay for the archetype but Lee is by far the most annoying character known to man, with Tenten and Gai just being plain intolerable; at least Fullmetal does the melodramatic man (almost) right! >_>

But yes, as a whole Narutu has become garbage and I would honestly wring myself to death in a dark alley where my corpse is likely to get dug up by local furries and left for the wind after a careful devouring, had I been Kishimoto. Kenshin's Jinchu was almost every bit as bad from beginning to end, with the artwork contantly regressing and simplifying and crap to a point where the battle on the beach or against the four bald guys is just worse than forking yourself on that tender white spot. It's not like early Tokyo or late Jinchu is much better, but at least it did basic proportions correctly, dammit..

daveshan
23rd October 2008, 7:14 AM
Only got time for the episode title.

To my angel Misao. Season 3, ep. 27

'Night.

Shishioken
23rd October 2008, 7:42 AM
I'll assume that it's not 2:40 pm the way it is in my timezone over where you live, and search for that episode. Does she do that in her usual kunoichi outfit or what? eh whatever, I'll just youtube it and hopefully the dub won't have cut it out if it's not subbed.

HoennMaster
23rd October 2008, 9:28 AM
Yay, we actually get to see Konan do something! Too bad its not much. I wonder what Tsunade is planning. Was there anything about Naruto or Danzo?

Zweet
23rd October 2008, 3:12 PM
The third tail demon never had an host. The chapter that shows all the demon hosts was pretty much bull when they show the third tail having a host.

The Shukaku had changed host a few times, as said by Chiyo. When a beast is extracted, we can conlcude that the host dies, but not the beast. The Third-Tailed Beast could just be extracted from its host.

daveshan
23rd October 2008, 9:14 PM
I'll assume that it's not 2:40 pm the way it is in my timezone over where you live, and search for that episode. Does she do that in her usual kunoichi outfit or what? eh whatever, I'll just youtube it and hopefully the dub won't have cut it out if it's not subbed.Nope, it was 1:40 am and I'm not quite sure what she's wearing. It's been a while. All I remember doing is laughing that this one episode was probably the whole reason CN didn't show the other episodes. Obviously, it wasn't, but I could see that.


Yay, we actually get to see Konan do something! Too bad its not much. I wonder what Tsunade is planning. Was there anything about Naruto or Danzo?


The Shukaku had changed host a few times, as said by Chiyo. When a beast is extracted, we can conlcude that the host dies, but not the beast. The Third-Tailed Beast could just be extracted from its host.

HoennMaster just got logic-owned by Zweet.

Horoika1
23rd October 2008, 10:04 PM
Can anyone post Spoiler pics or direct me to a site where I can see them?

Thank You Lucario for your spoilers. We have a lot posts that are uber long, ugh. Not gonna bother reading :\ lol

~Heaven Help Us~
23rd October 2008, 10:38 PM
Can anyone post Spoiler pics or direct me to a site where I can see them?

Thank You Lucario for your spoilers. We have a lot posts that are uber long, ugh. Not gonna bother reading :\ lol

mangahelpers.com has them. type naruto 422 spoiler and itll pop up.

Kakashi gets stabbed and Chouza and Chouji help him.

uber gon
23rd October 2008, 10:50 PM
wow,i'm actually glad i noticed a typo,weird.
well isn't naruto coming back from the toad mountain anyways since he's nearly complete?

well i skipped 420 and went to a different site to read 421,and just read 420 recently. sorry T.T

What happens in 420?

Horoika1
24th October 2008, 1:08 AM
What happens in 420?

It shows Pein's headband as if it were one of Konoha's.

uber gon
24th October 2008, 2:43 AM
It shows Pein's headband as if it were one of Konoha's.

Wonder what poor ninja got his body Pain-ified?:p

Anyway, hope we'll get to see Konan more. Also I kinda hope she switches sides. Not for any weird fanboyish reason, it's just that Konan reminds me of a friend of mine, and to se her get killed would suck.

daveshan
24th October 2008, 5:30 AM
What happens in 420?
Everyone smokes weed.

Bu-dum-ching

HoennMaster
24th October 2008, 8:07 AM
Aw, so Tsunade is basically going to heal many people at once. Gotta love her. I love the view they give us of the Hokage Mountain.

So I'm guessing that they killed that body of Pain? If so.....how weak it was. Sadly no Naruto or Danzo

RageKaiser
24th October 2008, 8:10 AM
Aw, so Tsunade is basically going to heal many people at once. Gotta love her. I love the view they give us of the Hokage Mountain.


Tsunade will be using her own chakra to heal nearly every wounded person in the villiage...sounds to me that would leave her vulnerable..>.>

HoennMaster
24th October 2008, 8:44 AM
Pain and Konan don't seem interested in her at all.

Zweet
24th October 2008, 10:45 AM
Chouji... Actually did something? :O
No, wait, the Pain that Chouji targeted escaped... It was his dad who killed the asura Pain.
But it will be revived. I can't wait until Naruto's battle against Pein! Or to see what Danzou plans...

Kakashi-Sharingan Warrior
24th October 2008, 4:36 PM
Pain and Konan don't seem interested in her at all.

No one has been interested, or cared about, Tsunade since half-way through the Search for Tsunade arc.

Anyway, good chapter. I was like '0.0' when I saw Kakashi getting stabbed....but at least we know ANOTHER clone jutsu...all we need now is the CloneClone Jutsu....

bigpop618
24th October 2008, 5:01 PM
Pain and Konan don't seem interested in her at all.

That's because they're interested in Naruto. I bet Tsunade will step in at some point. I think her yelling that she'll protect the village in the name of Hokage kinda-sorta foreshadowed it.

Atoyont
24th October 2008, 6:37 PM
Quite a good chapter. I loved Chouji's fat arm and such.
Also, I figured that there would be clones for each element. Lightning does seem a bit odd, though.

uber gon
24th October 2008, 7:19 PM
Wonder how Danzou will explain himself when Naruto and Fukusaku arrive?:p

RageKaiser
24th October 2008, 8:40 PM
Wonder how Danzou will explain himself when Naruto and Fukusaku arrive?:p

"The other two did it."
And that leads to an excuse to get rid of the two elders that nobody likes =]



but at least we know ANOTHER clone jutsu...all we need now is the CloneClone Jutsu....

Quick, Someone call Mr. 2!

HoennMaster
24th October 2008, 11:34 PM
No one has been interested, or cared about, Tsunade since half-way through the Search for Tsunade arc.

I have :)


That's because they're interested in Naruto.

I know, that's what I'm trying to say. They want Naruto not Tsunade.

~Heaven Help Us~
24th October 2008, 11:35 PM
Pretty good chapter, i hope that Pain body dies, i hate that one. I wonder what the main Pain's power is?

Horoika1
25th October 2008, 12:29 AM
Pretty good chapter, i hope that Pain body dies, i hate that one. I wonder what the main Pain's power is?

Hopefully Kakashi will reveal it soon. I'm so anxious to know!

~Fire&Ice~
25th October 2008, 5:41 AM
correct me if im wrong... but some chapters ago, did kisame refer to tobi/madara as mizukage? i hope i wasnt hallucinating...

and... kinda off topic. I picked this up from watching Pain's speal in the recent anime episode. he was talking about all the reasons one has for starting a fight and as he listed off the reasons, the scene shifted to each Akatsuki member... so maybe it tells us a little about some members (of course some of them have already been explained)? heres what i got:

Religion - Hidan
Ideals - Itachi?
Resources - Kakuzu
Land - Zetsu
Grudges - Kisame
Love - Konan
Just because - Deidara

maybe Konan is in love with Pain and thats why shes in akatsuki? or something.. idk. sorry if i was way off topic. just wanted to share.

still shinyless ^_^
25th October 2008, 7:48 AM
This is off-topic as well

BUT WHERE IS SAS-gay (jk,its silly) AND THE REST OF AKATSUKI??
shouldnt they be doing something useful?
they havent appeared for quite a while

and i think i did hear kisame call tobi/madara mizukage!! this could lead to something extraordinary!

E-Hero Winged Kuriboh
25th October 2008, 7:54 AM
correct me if im wrong... but some chapters ago, did kisame refer to tobi/madara as mizukage? i hope i wasnt hallucinating...

and... kinda off topic. I picked this up from watching Pain's speal in the recent anime episode. he was talking about all the reasons one has for starting a fight and as he listed off the reasons, the scene shifted to each Akatsuki member... so maybe it tells us a little about some members (of course some of them have already been explained)? heres what i got:

Religion - Hidan
Ideals - Itachi?
Resources - Kakuzu
Land - Zetsu
Grudges - Kisame
Love - Konan
Just because - Deidara

maybe Konan is in love with Pain and thats why shes in akatsuki? or something.. idk. sorry if i was way off topic. just wanted to share.

I would've thought Itachi would eb Love. It probably means nothing.

~Fire&Ice~
25th October 2008, 8:37 AM
yeah... well it was either itachi or pain... couldnt really tell who was in the scene for love. you know how fuzzy those holographic images get when the akatsuki come to seal one of the tailed beasts.

that gets me thinking... raikage just sent a message to the hokage and if tobi is the mizukage... wow. sound like another "great ninja war" anyone? kazekage would probably help konoha if something like this happened too.

Zweet
25th October 2008, 10:58 AM
The main Pain's power is complete awareness of chakra and chakra control.

What we know so far:

1: Inserts his own chakra into people with black swords.
2: Can move Kakashi's body (which contains chakra)
3: Could use 30% of Itachi & Kisame's chakra to create a clone
4: Could bend Kakashi's Chidori

~Heaven Help Us~
25th October 2008, 4:04 PM
You know what i would have wanted to see? Itachi and Pain fight. Idk but i see Itachi beating Pain.

jiang
25th October 2008, 4:47 PM
You know what i would have wanted to see? Itachi and Pain fight. Idk but i see Itachi beating Pain.

Yeah I agree. That would be neat. This makes me believe that the sharingan is actually much powerful than rinnegan in some degree since why would Pain take orders from Madara if he does not hold Madara's sharingan in high regard. It makes sense afterall, although I am not quite sure, because if I remember it correctly, Jiraiya said that the rinnegan is the most powerful among the eye techniques (anyone, pls correct me if I am wrong).

~Heaven Help Us~
25th October 2008, 5:24 PM
Yeah I agree. That would be neat. This makes me believe that the sharingan is actually much powerful than rinnegan in some degree since why would Pain take orders from Madara if he does not hold Madara's sharingan in high regard. It makes sense afterall, although I am not quite sure, because if I remember it correctly, Jiraiya said that the rinnegan is the most powerful among the eye techniques (anyone, pls correct me if I am wrong).

No he really did say that.

Blaziryu
25th October 2008, 7:10 PM
I don't think Demon Realm Pain is down & out yet. Remember, Pain can somehow revive himself from death. Now that Chouji & Chouza are backing up Kakashi, Kakashi is saved from being killed. But I can't say the same for Chouji & Chouza. I think Chouza is going to die.

~Heaven Help Us~
25th October 2008, 10:14 PM
I don't think Demon Realm Pain is down & out yet. Remember, Pain can somehow revive himself from death. Now that Chouji & Chouza are backing up Kakashi, Kakashi is saved from being killed. But I can't say the same for Chouji & Chouza. I think Chouza is going to die.

Hopefully it dies i hate it.

Horoika1
26th October 2008, 5:35 AM
Yeah Demon Realm Pain doesn't even look cool. It's the most ugliest character I've ever seen.

Zweet
26th October 2008, 11:52 AM
I also think that Chouji's father will die... This will be a sad scene :(

~Heaven Help Us~
26th October 2008, 5:11 PM
Yeah Demon Realm Pain doesn't even look cool. It's the most ugliest character I've ever seen.

I know, also i hate this one (http://www.mawsum.com/378/albums/03.jpg)and this one. (http://www.mawsum.com/378/albums/04.jpg)like i hate how they look.

Kaim_Fabuyashi
26th October 2008, 5:20 PM
Yeah Demon Realm Pain doesn't even look cool. It's the most ugliest character I've ever seen.

lol I think I am the only one that likes Demon Rhealm, personally I think he lookes pretty darn cool =P

I mean really who has 4 arms 2faces and a Giant tail? [If anyone says Sasori I will kill you XD]

~Kaim

Horoika1
26th October 2008, 6:03 PM
lol I think I am the only one that likes Demon Rhealm, personally I think he lookes pretty darn cool =P

I mean really who has 4 arms 2faces and a Giant tail? [If anyone says Sasori I will kill you XD]

~Kaim

Sasori...loljk. Anyway, at least it's in our opinions. And I agree with Heaven, Hell and Hungry Ghost Realm Pain are horrendous.

God Realm is the coolest though ^.^

~Heaven Help Us~
26th October 2008, 6:30 PM
Sasori...loljk. Anyway, at least it's in our opinions. And I agree with Heaven, Hell and Hungry Ghost Realm Pain are horrendous.

God Realm is the coolest though ^.^

That one and the one with long hair, and the girl Pain.

MarshtompMan
26th October 2008, 10:34 PM
lol I think I am the only one that likes Demon Rhealm, personally I think he lookes pretty darn cool =P

I mean really who has 4 arms 2faces and a Giant tail? [If anyone says Sasori I will kill you XD]

~Kaim

Actually, I think he's cool too.

HoennMaster
27th October 2008, 8:21 AM
Like most I like all but Demon Realm. I wonder what the realm part means though.

uber gon
28th October 2008, 6:09 PM
"The other two did it."
And that leads to an excuse to get rid of the two elders that nobody likes =]


Meh, as long as those three pay.

Heh, I want to see Naruto use wind clones. I bet that'd be brutal.:)

~Heaven Help Us~
29th October 2008, 3:13 AM
Meh, as long as those three pay.

Heh, I want to see Naruto use wind clones. I bet that'd be brutal.:)

That would be tight.

Kaim_Fabuyashi
29th October 2008, 5:01 AM
Meh, as long as those three pay.

Heh, I want to see Naruto use wind clones. I bet that'd be brutal.:)

well at least someone else likes him, thanks MarshtompMan XD [not trying to sound like a n00b o_0]

As for Wind Clone I would see something similar to a Rasenshuriken no? lots of slices or something? o_0

~Kaim

uber gon
29th October 2008, 6:24 AM
As for Wind Clone I would see something similar to a Rasenshuriken no? lots of slices or something? o_0

~Kaim

I see that too, but without any drawbacks for Naruto. Well that, and I'd like Naruto to perfect the Rasenshuriken, get some weapon that can help channel his wind attribute, and maybe learn some cool jutsu where he uses Gamakichi and Gamatatsu, who I hope is at least Kiba smart.

jiang
29th October 2008, 7:25 AM
I'd be very happy to see Naruto do some serious a** kicking of Sasuke and Pain. And some really cool jutsu would help him do that, I'd like to see that.

HoennMaster
29th October 2008, 7:51 AM
We all would. BTW? When do spoilers usually come out? I hope Lucario will be able to post them this week.

jiang
29th October 2008, 9:55 AM
I usually see spoilers from him around tuesday evening and/or wednesday-ish. there should be something up soon.

Lucario At Service
29th October 2008, 5:44 PM
Here are the spoilers of the upcoming chapter 423 & i made a summary based on the pics & added some points which were translated by people on that site (but can be incorrect because it is not a proper translation).
We see Chouji and his dad charging towards the God Realm Pain & GR Pain uses his power to stop them (according to a translator it seems that Kakashi figures out that GR Pain's power is some sort of Gravity Manipulation with the ability to attract or repel anything).
But Chouji and his dad somehow manage to tie GR Pain during that time & Kakashi tries to use Chidori of him but is stoped by Demon Realm Pain which has somehow managed to survive the attack in ch 422.
Then we see GR Pain picking up a nail & flicks it towards Kakashi (GR Pain tells us that it is the real Kakashi & attacks him), & we see Kakashi (in shadows) get hit by it (see the pic below to understand it better). Also according to the translator, after the failed attack of Kakashi on GR Pain, GR Pain uses his power to blow away everyone around him & then he attacks Kakashi.
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/7571/pic5jz4.png
First, Chouji's dad remarks how awesome Kakashi is.

Kakashi explains Pain's powers and what their battle plan will be.

[Pain's] power would appear to be the manipulation of gravity.

Then [Kakashi] asks father and son to help, and they commence their attack.

Explaining the plan's a drag so I won't - suffice it to say father and son manage to restrain Pain.

Kakashi activates Raikiri, but The Demon Pain stands in front to the God Pain to blunt the attack with his body.

Everyone: It moved again!? Kakashi: (please make it in time)

There's going to be a fusion (Naruto and Fukasaku?)

Pain: Doesn't seem they/you(?)'re just pretending to be unable to move.
Kakashi: Too late...

Looking around, [Kakashi] sees Chouji and his dad, as well as the other reinforcements, all blown to the ground (looks like the cool guy's doing)

Pain: It's obvious you're no kagebunshin. Consider yourself dead. (Better to err on the side of caution - I'm not about to make the mistake of going in close).

Takes some nails from the ground and points them at Kakashi.

Pain: Know pain!

Kakashi: True, there's no dodging it from this distance...

Zweet
29th October 2008, 7:40 PM
So this is the end of Kakashi :( But how did he get the Mangekyou Sharingan? I think we'll find it in not too long...

HoennMaster
29th October 2008, 8:38 PM
I really hope Kakashi doesn't die. He is one of the best characters.

uber gon
29th October 2008, 8:58 PM
I really hope Kakashi doesn't die. He is one of the best characters.

He'll probably be saved by Naruto and Fukasaku who arrive randomly, or by some random toad thingie.

Heh, I SO want to see Naruto fuse with both Ma and Pa in Sage Mode, that'd be epic.

~Heaven Help Us~
29th October 2008, 9:59 PM
Those spoilers don't seem good. poor Kakashi :(.

uber gon
30th October 2008, 1:40 AM
Those spoilers don't seem good. poor Kakashi :(.

I'm sure Kakashi will be saved. Probably by some random appearance of Naruto.

Horoika1
30th October 2008, 2:47 AM
See, I've been foreshadowing Kakashi's death for about a month. Depressing, but so far I seem to be right.

Lucario At Service
30th October 2008, 7:52 AM
Well what i don't get is that why do you people think that it is the end for Kakashi. Don't you remember that Kakashi hasn't till now hasn't used his most powerful Justu till now which is his own version of Mangekyo Sharingan & the Jutsu which he created using the MS called "Kamui" (the one which he used against Deidara). We still haven't seen it being used against GD Pain yet have we. Also we must not forget that it could easily be a Genjutsu (MS is famous for those & Pain has been shown to have a slight weak point in those by getting captured in them which we noticed during his fight with Jiraiya) or as someone on that site said it could be that Pain might have injured Kakashi's Right eye or his Left (Sharingan) Eye with that nail but didn't kill him with it (or Kakashi avoided it from hitting a dangerous spot by moving his head a bit & in the process losses one of his eyes). I agree to this thoery a bit because to me it looks like that nail has hit Kakashi's eye more than his head. And i truely think that this is really not the end for Kakashi.
And as for Naruto appearing i think that he would come back only when his training is complete (since he till now doesn't know about the attack) & see Konoha's destruction. Also i don't know whether it is true or not but few months ago i read that in a interview with the Kishimoto he said that we would see Naruto's 4-tails form agian around the time of this year's end or the next year's start in the manga. I didn't post about that here at that time because many people where saying that it was a fake. But seeing the way the story is going & the amount of time the attack of Pain on Konoha would go on i think that it is a likely possibility that it could turn out to be true.
Also according to me we might see Sasuke faced of against 4-tailed Naruto (or we might see another tailed being released during that time).

HoennMaster
30th October 2008, 8:32 AM
So your basically saying that Pain hits him in his eye and activates the "ultimate attack"?

DR surviving is not good news.

Shouldn't Naruto have returned already? I thought a few chapters back it said he was done training.

jiang
30th October 2008, 8:50 AM
^^ I really do hope Kakashi doesnt die/ I'd be depressed if it does happen. I wonder how Naruto would know of the news about Pain's attack.

Lucario At Service
30th October 2008, 8:52 AM
So your basically saying that Pain hits him in his eye and activates the "ultimate attack"?
As i said in my post it is possible that it happens but it could also be that Kakashi loses his Right (Normal) Eye instead of his Left (Sharingan) Eye.

How funny would it be if Kakashi losses his Right (Normal) Eye & gets implanted with a random Hyuga clans members "Byakugan" eye or else they implant one of Pain's bodies "Rin'negan" in place of his right eye.

DR surviving is not good news.

Shouldn't Naruto have returned already? I thought a few chapters back it said he was done training.
As we can see in the spoiler it is really a bad news that DR Pain survived since it trashed Kakashi attempt to kill GR Pain.

As for Naruto's training, well we don't really how long it took for Naruto to complete his training (& as the spoiler says Naruto is now training for the fusion technique with Fukasaku). So it is possible that during when his train was going on, Pain attacked Konoha. So we really can't say anything about it. The only time we would know anything about that clearly would be when Naruto returns to Konoha.

I wonder how Naruto would know of the news about Pain's attack.
Well there are three possiblities now in which Naruto would know about the attack,

1. Fukasaku starts to feel a bit odd about the messenger frog not reporting anything for a long time so he sends some frog to check on things & thus knowing about the attack.
2. Fukasaku thinks that Naruto's training is over so he decides to drop of Naruto in Konoha & when they reach Konoha, they know about the attack.
3. And the least likely thing to happen, the messenger frog might still have some life left in it & using his last bit of strength manages to reach the mountain & report about the attack or else the frogs have some sort of way to know when a frog dies & thus report it to Fukasaku about the messenger frogs death.

uber gon
30th October 2008, 10:54 PM
Wonder if instead of Ma and Pa fusing with Naruto we'll get to see Pa and Gamakichi fuse with Naruto? It'd be neat to see Gamakichi actually fight for once.:)

Raging Flame
30th October 2008, 11:54 PM
Gamakichi is huge though. Unless he can shrink then it aint gonna happen.

jiang
31st October 2008, 12:16 AM
gamakichi using some shrinking jutsu to have his head poke out of naruto's ~ seems cool to me. hehe

Kakashi-Sharingan Warrior
31st October 2008, 1:16 AM
Well what i don't get is that why do you people think that it is the end for Kakashi. Don't you remember that Kakashi hasn't till now hasn't used his most powerful Justu till now which is his own version of Mangekyo Sharingan & the Jutsu which he created using the MS called "Kamui" (the one which he used against Deidara). We still haven't seen it being used against GD Pain yet have we. Also we must not forget that it could easily be a Genjutsu (MS is famous for those & Pain has been shown to have a slight weak point in those by getting captured in them which we noticed during his fight with Jiraiya) or as someone on that site said it could be that Pain might have injured Kakashi's Right eye or his Left (Sharingan) Eye with that nail but didn't kill him with it (or Kakashi avoided it from hitting a dangerous spot by moving his head a bit & in the process losses one of his eyes). I agree to this thoery a bit because to me it looks like that nail has hit Kakashi's eye more than his head. And i truely think that this is really not the end for Kakashi.
And as for Naruto appearing i think that he would come back only when his training is complete (since he till now doesn't know about the attack) & see Konoha's destruction. Also i don't know whether it is true or not but few months ago i read that in a interview with the Kishimoto he said that we would see Naruto's 4-tails form agian around the time of this year's end or the next year's start in the manga. I didn't post about that here at that time because many people where saying that it was a fake. But seeing the way the story is going & the amount of time the attack of Pain on Konoha would go on i think that it is a likely possibility that it could turn out to be true.
Also according to me we might see Sasuke faced of against 4-tailed Naruto (or we might see another tailed being released during that time).

From the final page of this week's chapter:
"A HERO SINKS"
"NEXT: THE LAST THING LEFT FOR KAKASHI IS?"

He's gonna die, if not already dead T_T

Also, if it hit his eye I doubt they'd be blood splattering all around his head, unless the nail came out the other side, which if that's the case, he's definatly dead as it would have went through his brain. The only possible theory of his survival is it is a clone, as Pein even said he's keeping his distance in case it is a clone. However, Kakashi has already said half his chakra is gone already due to that lightning clone - THAT is most likely why he hasn't used his mangekyo sharingan, because he's out of chakra. Why didn't he just use an ordinary shadow clone? T_T

R.I.P Kakashi Hatake T_T
(I REALLY hope by some miracle he isn't dead, but atm it looks like it)

uber gon
31st October 2008, 1:33 AM
Gamakichi is huge though. Unless he can shrink then it aint gonna happen.

Or maybe Naruto and Gamakichi literally fuse to make a Naruto with Gamakichi's head of his chest with all these crazy powers.:p

~Heaven Help Us~
31st October 2008, 2:13 AM
What about Bunta?? like he shrinks alot. or someting idk.

I just got an idea! i thought it up while writing this.

Naruto will probably go to the big old sage frog thing that Jiraiya went to and that told him his future. Naruto goes to him and he tells Naruto about the village, and etc about what's going on. that's a possibility no?

If Kakashi loses his Sharingan, it's still like the end of him.

Mawile XD
31st October 2008, 2:21 AM
This could be a Mangekyou illusion, since Kishimoto is fond of those. Poor Kakashi, I'll be pretty angry if he dies.

~Heaven Help Us~
31st October 2008, 2:22 AM
Onemanga.com has 423 out early!!

Kakashi-Sharingan Warrior
31st October 2008, 2:25 AM
This could be a Mangekyou illusion, since Kishimoto is fond of those. Poor Kakashi, I'll be pretty angry if he dies.

Kakashi said he has used half of his chakra with the lightning clone, and he probably has used the rest of his chakra on other techniques used in the fight, such as that weird chidori thing he used at the start, the chidori he tried to use against Pein later (remember, he can only use it four times a day, so that itself could be half his chakra).

Also, saiyanisland has chapter 423 atm, which is what we're discussing =3

~Heaven Help Us~
31st October 2008, 2:28 AM
Awesome *** chapter thats all i can say.

Horoika1
31st October 2008, 3:22 AM
I was hoping Demon Realm Pain was dead! OMG I hate it sooooo much!

jiang
31st October 2008, 4:19 AM
^^ You are not alone.

I really hope Kakashi is not yet dead. I am beginning to think the last hope is Naruto. Maybe his training gets interrupted and he becomes too stubborn and wants to go back ASAP to konoha. And Fukasaku goes back with him. and then they find out what is happening?

The chapter is up quite a bit too early this time, which is of course, good for us. =)

uber gon
31st October 2008, 6:46 AM
I'm hoping Naruto learn some neat toad fusion tricks and some new Wind jutsu. That'd be impressive.

HoennMaster
31st October 2008, 6:55 PM
I love Kakashi's explanation on Page 5, it looks funny. So it looks like DR might acutally be dead now, but with this manga you never know. All I know is that Pain better not be defeated in ome cheap *** way after this fight.

Horoika1
31st October 2008, 7:14 PM
Agreed Hoen.

uber gon
31st October 2008, 7:50 PM
Heh, wonder if Kakashi may get a Rinnegan if his right eye is "dead"? Well, that provides if he's alive.

Kakashi-Sharingan Warrior
31st October 2008, 9:00 PM
I love Kakashi's explanation on Page 5, it looks funny. So it looks like DR might acutally be dead now, but with this manga you never know. All I know is that Pain better not be defeated in ome cheap *** way after this fight.

You mean defeated in cheap *** way like Kakashi? Best way to kill a ninja - nail in the head >>

Also, IF Kakashi is alive (doubt it T_T) I doubt he'll take Pein's Rinnegan, if anything, I bet only the ORIGINAL Pein has the Rinnegan, and the ones we see in the other bodies are just extensions of the original, which links up to the real Pein (also, remember, Jiraiya's message.....probably means that even God Pein is not real Pein). Also, Kakashi isn't the kind of ninja who would take someone's eye when he kills them - he didn't take Zabuza's sword did he? He didn't take Deidara's severed arm as a butt-scratcher did he? No, he didn't, besides, without a medical ninja, he can't implant it in.

uber gon
31st October 2008, 9:03 PM
You mean defeated in cheap *** way like Kakashi? Best way to kill a ninja - nail in the head >>

Also, IF Kakashi is alive (doubt it T_T) I doubt he'll take Pein's Rinnegan, if anything, I bet only the ORIGINAL Pein has the Rinnegan, and the ones we see in the other bodies are just extensions of the original, which links up to the real Pein (also, remember, Jiraiya's message.....probably means that even God Pein is not real Pein). Also, Kakashi isn't the kind of ninja who would take someone's eye when he kills them - he didn't take Zabuza's sword did he? He didn't take Deidara's severed arm as a butt-scratcher did he? No, he didn't, besides, without a medical ninja, he can't implant it in.

Ha, Deidara's arm as a butt scratcher.:D

Anyway I'm hoping Naruto comes back soon.

Atoyont
31st October 2008, 9:35 PM
What I find most interesting is that Pain doesn't/didn't seem to recognize Kakashi as a well-known shinobi. You'd think that a ridiculously powerful man (men?) like him would know of others of his caliber.

uber gon
1st November 2008, 12:27 AM
What I find most interesting is that Pain doesn't/didn't seem to recognize Kakashi as a well-known shinobi. You'd think that a ridiculously powerful man (men?) like him would know of others of his caliber.

He probably does, but he doesn't really know how to express surprise.

~Heaven Help Us~
1st November 2008, 12:28 AM
For real Kakashi better not die. He has to live to see Naruto go hokage.

uber gon
1st November 2008, 12:28 AM
For real Kakashi better not die. He has to live to see Naruto go hokage.

He probably will live, but will be ****** up.

Horoika1
1st November 2008, 1:59 AM
Why are we talking about that Kakashi got hit in the eye? You can't tell from the shadow.

And I seem to be getting closer to being correct. I've been saying Kakashi is going to die since about a month ago.

pokemaster95
1st November 2008, 2:33 AM
I always thought Kakashi was going to die. Naruto is easy for me to predict. But so is One piece.

Poliwhirl
1st November 2008, 3:13 AM
I always thought Kakashi was going to die. Naruto is easy for me to predict. But so is One piece.

Kakashi hasn't died yet. There isn't really enough information to say he is dead yet. Losing Kakashi is losing a big arsenal in Naruto or something like losing a big main character I guess.

Raging Flame
1st November 2008, 4:27 AM
I bet my *** that its just Kakashi using genjutsu.

HoennMaster
1st November 2008, 8:55 AM
Why are we talking about that Kakashi got hit in the eye? You can't tell from the shadow.

Because it looks like he does and it wouldn't be farfetch'd considering his past.

JasonChu
1st November 2008, 1:34 PM
A nail underrated?

~Heaven Help Us~
1st November 2008, 5:04 PM
Maybe it was meant to hit his Sharingan eye, but in the last second e moves and it just hits non-sharingan eye. Then later on when Naruto or Sasuke Kills Madara, Kakashi gets another implant. And that could mean that Madara is Obito and that Kakashi will get both of Obito's sharingan eyes. lol.

Horoika1
1st November 2008, 5:14 PM
Maybe it was meant to hit his Sharingan eye, but in the last second e moves and it just hits non-sharingan eye. Then later on when Naruto or Sasuke Kills Madara, Kakashi gets another implant. And that could mean that Madara is Obito and that Kakashi will get both of Obito's sharingan eyes. lol.

I seriously doubt that.

~Heaven Help Us~
1st November 2008, 5:48 PM
I seriously doubt that.

Well that's why i said MAYBE.

jiang
1st November 2008, 7:39 PM
We are having a lot of speculations going on here, but I do not really want Kakashi to die. It will take the "cool" out of the series if that happens. Maybe we should just wait for the next chapter to see what happens, all this Kakashi will die makes me sad. (I guess it is really like that if your fav characters die.)

uber gon
1st November 2008, 10:25 PM
How about we all dicuss what possible new jutsu Naruto could learn once he returns from Konoha? Particularly Wind jutsu.

Blaziryu
2nd November 2008, 12:39 AM
Wow!! This week's chapter was crazy!! Not only can God Realm Pain control rainstorms, but he can also control gravity. Man, this guy is full w/ surprises. What's next, him being able to fly like some superhero. Seriously, I wonder how Naruto is going to beat his guy.

~Heaven Help Us~
2nd November 2008, 1:07 AM
Naruto should learn like what Sora from the anime had. that he just used a big wind thing. also he should perfect his Rasenshuriken. Kakashi better not die.

Horoika1
2nd November 2008, 6:07 PM
Maybe Naruto can now throw his Rasenshurikan? With near-perfect accuracy (save substitution)?

~Heaven Help Us~
3rd November 2008, 3:21 AM
And not hurt him^^.

jiang
3rd November 2008, 5:17 AM
Nruto simply should be able to use the ultimate of ultimate wind jutsu out there, whatever name it will be called. And it should be enough to make Sasuke nosebleed to death and be enough to put Pain in his coffin for good.

Raging Flame
3rd November 2008, 11:23 AM
Naruto has already perfected his Rasenshuriken. Remember the pic with the giant cut up trees? What else could he have done that with? He's obviously practicing the rasenshuriken and if he isnt permanently damaged after cutting up all the those trees then he's probably perfected it. Or he's close to perfecting it.

~Heaven Help Us~
3rd November 2008, 2:16 PM
Naruto has already perfected his Rasenshuriken. Remember the pic with the giant cut up trees? What else could he have done that with? He's obviously practicing the rasenshuriken and if he isnt permanently damaged after cutting up all the those trees then he's probably perfected it. Or he's close to perfecting it.

True i forgot about that. and i was the one that pointed it out.

Rex Kamex
3rd November 2008, 6:30 PM
If it hasn't been mentioned already here, the most recent chapter of Naruto appeared in the 2000th issue of Weekly Jump. (I don't know if double issues were counted as two issues or one when this was counted, so...)

Also, the 44th (http://books.shueisha.co.jp/CGI/search/syousai_put.cgi?isbn_cd=978-4-08-874589-3) volume of Naruto was just released in Japan...

uber gon
3rd November 2008, 7:55 PM
Naruto should learn like what Sora from the anime had. that he just used a big wind thing. also he should perfect his Rasenshuriken. Kakashi better not die.

I agree with all you just said.

~Heaven Help Us~
3rd November 2008, 9:27 PM
If it hasn't been mentioned already here, the most recent chapter of Naruto appeared in the 2000th issue of Weekly Jump. (I don't know if double issues were counted as two issues or one when this was counted, so...)

Also, the 44th (http://books.shueisha.co.jp/CGI/search/syousai_put.cgi?isbn_cd=978-4-08-874589-3) volume of Naruto was just released in Japan...

Man, they are lucky. they are that far. in the US it's like by what? 33?

Uber, i know right he should be able to learn that easily thanks to Kakashi's training method.

uber gon
3rd November 2008, 10:18 PM
Heh, maybe Naruto learned an even STRONGER wind attack other than the Rasenshuriken.:)

~Heaven Help Us~
3rd November 2008, 10:36 PM
Heh, maybe Naruto learned an even STRONGER wind attack other than the Rasenshuriken.:)

Maybe something that has to do with frogs??

uber gon
4th November 2008, 12:59 AM
Maybe something that has to do with frogs??

Maybe he can "croak" wind jutsu now.:p

jiang
4th November 2008, 5:57 AM
Maybe he can "croak" wind jutsu now.:p

hahaha funny. lol I wonder how that is~can't imagine. =)

uber gon
4th November 2008, 6:40 PM
hahaha funny. lol I wonder how that is~can't imagine. =)

He'd probably use that frog meditation hand sign, develop a throat sac, and "croak" wind jutsu. Watch the episode in Jackie Chan Adventures for the wind demon for a better idea.

~Heaven Help Us~
4th November 2008, 9:04 PM
He'd probably use that frog meditation hand sign, develop a throat sac, and "croak" wind jutsu. Watch the episode in [I]Jackie Chan Adventures[I] for the wind demon for a better idea.

Lol yes!

also like the Shukaku remember? when naruto was fighting him? like some wind thing.

uber gon
4th November 2008, 10:02 PM
Lol yes!

also like the Shukaku remember? when naruto was fighting him? like some wind thing.

True, but it'd be neat if Naruto had toad qualities in his arsenal.

Cyan
4th November 2008, 10:49 PM
True, but it'd be neat if Naruto had toad qualities in his arsenal.

Yoshi-style suck-up powers anyone?

~Heaven Help Us~
4th November 2008, 11:54 PM
Maybe there's one that naruto uses his frog tongue(if he gets one) the enemies and then he transfers his wind chakra too it to cut his enemies.

uber gon
5th November 2008, 3:07 AM
Maybe there's one that naruto uses his frog tongue(if he gets one) the enemies and then he transfers his wind chakra too it to cut his enemies.

You mean something like Pa's tongue attack? I doubt his tongue could handle wind chakra.

HoennMaster
5th November 2008, 8:40 AM
Wow, these topic gets really crazy once the spoilers run dry......

Lucario At Service
5th November 2008, 11:20 AM
Well according to some of the spoilers out it seems that the nail hits Kakashi's Left (Sharingan) Eye (some people suggest that the thing about the "Hero Falls" in the last chapter points towards Obito's eye, this is based on what the Kakashi Gaiden chapters had) and also that Lee & Neji are going to fight the Hugry Realm Pain but these spoilers are not properly confirmed till now so they might be fake.

Well i guess we have to wait for some confrimed spoilers to come out (which would be out before tonight) which would contain things which will help us to clarify this thing.

Edit:- Well just now saw a confirmed spoiler pic & it seems that the thing about the nail hitting his Left (Sharingan) Eye might be fake because in the spoiler pic it we see Kakashi is using his MS to save Chouji from an missile attack of Demon Realm Pain while Choji runs. And according to that spoiler pic only one info looks like it could be true but still has a chance of it being a fake.
According to that it seems that Danzou & some other people go into an underground bunker to hide. Also according to this it seems that Chouji's dad is dead while trying to save Chouji from an attack of DR Pain & Kakashi tells Chouji to quickly go to Tsunade & inform her about Pains ability. While Chouji is running DR Pain again attacks Chouji & Kakashi is froced to use his MS to save Chouji & while he does that thinks that it is the end for him (while addressing Obito & Rin) because he would be out of Chakra because of it.

uber gon
5th November 2008, 6:51 PM
Well according to some of the spoilers out it seems that the nail hits Kakashi's Left (Sharingan) Eye (some people suggest that the thing about the "Hero Falls" in the last chapter points towards Obito's eye, this is based on what the Kakashi Gaiden chapters had) and also that Lee & Neji are going to fight the Hugry Realm Pain but these spoilers are not properly confirmed till now so they might be fake.

Well i guess we have to wait for some confrimed spoilers to come out (which would be out before tonight) which would contain things which will help us to clarify this thing.

Edit:- Well just now saw a confirmed spoiler pic & it seems that the thing about the nail hitting his Left (Sharingan) Eye might be fake because in the spoiler pic it we see Kakashi is using his MS to save Chouji from an missile attack of Demon Realm Pain while Choji runs. And according to that spoiler pic only one info looks like it could be true but still has a chance of it being a fake.
According to that it seems that Danzou & some other people go into an underground bunker to hide. Also according to this it seems that Chouji's dad is dead while trying to save Chouji from an attack of DR Pain & Kakashi tells Chouji to quickly go to Tsunade & inform her about Pains ability. While Chouji is running DR Pain again attacks Chouji & Kakashi is froced to use his MS to save Chouji & while he does that thinks that it is the end for him (while addressing Obito & Rin) because he would be out of Chakra because of it.

I'm hoping Chouji's dad doesn't die.:(

MarshtompMan
5th November 2008, 6:55 PM
Well according to some of the spoilers out it seems that the nail hits Kakashi's Left (Sharingan) Eye (some people suggest that the thing about the "Hero Falls" in the last chapter points towards Obito's eye, this is based on what the Kakashi Gaiden chapters had) and also that Lee & Neji are going to fight the Hugry Realm Pain but these spoilers are not properly confirmed till now so they might be fake.

Well i guess we have to wait for some confrimed spoilers to come out (which would be out before tonight) which would contain things which will help us to clarify this thing.

Edit:- Well just now saw a confirmed spoiler pic & it seems that the thing about the nail hitting his Left (Sharingan) Eye might be fake because in the spoiler pic it we see Kakashi is using his MS to save Chouji from an missile attack of Demon Realm Pain while Choji runs. And according to that spoiler pic only one info looks like it could be true but still has a chance of it being a fake.
According to that it seems that Danzou & some other people go into an underground bunker to hide. Also according to this it seems that Chouji's dad is dead while trying to save Chouji from an attack of DR Pain & Kakashi tells Chouji to quickly go to Tsunade & inform her about Pains ability. While Chouji is running DR Pain again attacks Chouji & Kakashi is froced to use his MS to save Chouji & while he does that thinks that it is the end for him (while addressing Obito & Rin) because he would be out of Chakra because of it.

NOO!!!!
Not Choza!!!
Why couldn't it be Shikaku?!
Well, now I hope the whole Ino-Shika-Cho first generation dies.
And Danzou's hiding?!
That big coward!!!!!
And Kakashi dies saving Choji?
That's pretty odd.
I thought he would have died saving someone important.
(No offence to Choji!)

Lucario At Service
5th November 2008, 7:21 PM
NOO!!!!
Not Choza!!!
Why couldn't it be Shikaku?!
Well, now I hope the whole Ino-Shika-Cho first generation dies.
And Danzou's hiding?!
That big coward!!!!!
And Kakashi dies saving Choji?
That's pretty odd.
I thought he would have died saving someone important.
(No offence to Choji!)
Well pics about that spoilers have come out so it proves that they are indeed true but what they truely contain might be different because i still haven't seen a proper translation of it.
From the pics (& the partial translation by some poster) it seems that Danzou's plan is to take over Konoha after it is mostly destroyed by Pain (since it would be easy for him that way as most of the people who would create problem for him would be out of the way by then).
As for Kakashi dieing, it still hasn't been completely confirmed & we would only know about it in chapter 425 because the scene in which he says that it is the end for him is the last page of this chapter & at the end we see Kakashi fainting in the last frame. So it is still not clear whether he would die or not. But it is clear that Kakashi has somehow managed to avoid getting hit by the nail in a vital area.

At the end i would like to say is that Demon Realm pain is really a tough one because even after being smashed into pieces by Kakashi's Raikiri, it still was able to do more major damage.

jiang
5th November 2008, 8:55 PM
If at all, this chapter is going to be too much already, someone dies, and sanother major character might die... it will be frustrating if kakashi dies, seriously.

~Heaven Help Us~
5th November 2008, 9:44 PM
No according to the spoilers, and i quote:

命に別状はない = "His life is not in peril."
1 (http://image03.pita.st/tmp/l/a/la7ijghr_2.jpg)
2 (http://image03.pita.st/tmp/l/a/la7ijghr_3.jpg)
3 (http://image02.pita.st/tmp/l/a/la7ijghr_5.jpg)
4 (http://image02.pita.st/tmp/l/a/la7ijghr_4.jpg)
5 (http://image02.pita.st/tmp/l/a/la7ijghr_1.jpg)
spoiler pics. the battle has gotten fierce. er.

uber gon
5th November 2008, 11:26 PM
Wonder if Chouji will go on a revenge seeking mission like Shikamaru?

jiang
6th November 2008, 12:03 AM
Wonder if Chouji will go on a revenge seeking mission like Shikamaru?

~ he might.

~ oh!mI took a look at Heaven's spoiler pics, and I saw danzou's face! awful! I felt sick, he should be the one to die soon, he cant be taking over konoha.

~Heaven Help Us~
6th November 2008, 12:28 AM
~ he might.

~ oh!mI took a look at Heaven's spoiler pics, and I saw danzou's face! awful! I felt sick, he should be the one to die soon, he cant be taking over konoha.
i know i felt like punching him in the face!

Horoika1
6th November 2008, 3:35 AM
Well, Kakashi seems to be alive...

DIE DEMON REALM PAIN! OMFG!

Kakashi-Sharingan Warrior
6th November 2008, 6:19 PM
wait, he has enough chakra left to activate the mangekyo sharingan? So...what happens with the freakin' nail? Does it hit his non sharingan eye and how does he get out from all that rubble?