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Korobooshi Kojiro
7th November 2006, 8:30 PM
Manga isn't a book, and "extremely popular" is a gross exaggeration


and no manga isn't even on the scale of popular in the US, at all.

Do you agree with these statements? Personally, I think Manga IS a book, and is becoming very popular in the US now, with Manga Conventions, and entire parts of Book Stores selling them (even Librarys have started to offer them)

Discuss.

Neko Godot
7th November 2006, 8:33 PM
Do you agree with these statements? Personally, I think Manga IS a book, and is becoming very popular in the US now, with Manga Conventions, and entire parts of Book Stores selling them (even Librarys have started to offer them)

Discuss.
lol Fellow Forum Member is Justin. :P

While I won't say it's extremely popular, I will say its popularity is growing and it will become extremely popular soon enough. Just looking at the charts for Paperback books, Naruto and Fruits Basket make it into the top 30.

And yes, it is a book.

Rex Kamex
7th November 2006, 8:55 PM
I think it's very popular, but for me it's hard to find people who read manga unless you draw them out to a certain location (or happen to notice them reading manga). And while I think manga is a popular thing to get into, I don't think it's the popular thing. I still think it's growing, though.

And "manga" books are basically Japanese comic books. Comic books happen to have a lot of illustrations. I wonder why...

KyonKyon
8th November 2006, 8:23 AM
well you guys have 80% of the main anime conventions with the Voice actors etc. Of course its popular there, i mean here (Australia) i live off by getting manga from Borders

Ophie
8th November 2006, 9:51 AM
Manga is a popular thing...it's just not quite mainstream yet. Just as all animation has an "it's for kids only" stigma it can't shake off that keeps most people older than 30 from watching anime, comics have an "it's for kids only AND it caters blood and gore to them" stigma that makes it even less popular with adults.

The fact that most translated manga nowadays is read right to left doesn't help either. People pay attention to the warnings about reading the wrong way as often as people pay attention to yield signs. It'll probably take another few decades for manga to gain mainstream acceptance.

danburite
8th November 2006, 10:52 AM
I agree with those statements, to an extent. Of course manga seems popular on a Pokemon forum- we're all geeks of some kind here! But on the whole, manga isn't that big with the Ignorant Masses.

I'm a bit divided on the "book" classification, but.

zonic the hedgehog
8th November 2006, 11:19 AM
LOL, I think it's a book. :P

You go read Death Note if you don't believe me (it has enough words and depth to have a novel for it, after all).

Anyway, I think it should be pretty obvious that manga is not very popular yet. Although more popular than it was years ago, it's still not mainstream enough to gain a lot of attention from more people.

Especially considering Japan has kids all the way to adults of both genders reading manga, wheareas here it's just kids and teens (male and some female) reading manga most of the time.

It's the fact that manga seems awkward to people who have never read manga before (read backwards, odd stories, ect.), so it'll take awhile to become mainstream.

Although I'm puzzled as to why the majority of the people at my school know what yaoi, hentai, and yuri is despite that they don't really read manga or watch anime. o_O

They could pinpoint you reading a yaoi manga just by getting a glance at the cover, and I don't even know how the hell they do it. o.o;

Neko Godot
8th November 2006, 9:50 PM
Especially considering Japan has kids all the way to adults of both genders reading manga, wheareas here it's just kids and teens (male and some female) reading manga most of the time.
Actually, it is mostly females that read manga. How else would Fruits Basket be so popular in the states?

Sachiko
8th November 2006, 9:51 PM
1. Manga is a book. The stories are just as complex as novels.

2. It's not extremely popular, but it is gaining popularity fast.


And "manga" books are basically Japanese comic books. Comic books happen to have a lot of illustrations. I wonder why...

I wonder, too. I may never figure that out.



Um, anyway, because manga may be getting more popular but right now it's not the most popular thing, what you all should do is tell people about it. Some people like to hide the fact that they like reading manga. Don't do it!!! Read it at school or another place, and when someone asks you about it, tell them about it, and maybe even reccommend something. A good first manga for someone may be...
Boys: Naruto or Dragon Ball
Girls: Ultra Cute or Ultra Maniac

(I'm not saying they're necessarily the best, but they might be good for someone who isn't used to manga.)

BattleFranky~40
8th November 2006, 9:58 PM
The stories are just as complex as novels.


With a few small exceptions, hell no they aren't.

ShinyManafi
8th November 2006, 9:59 PM
It seems I'm the only one within a 300 mile distance away from where I live that reads manga, cause everyone near where I live hate it X_X

Sachiko
8th November 2006, 10:10 PM
With a few small exceptions, hell no they aren't.

What??? Yes they are. Or else, they would be pretty boring.

WolfCyber
8th November 2006, 10:14 PM
If manga aren't books, then I guess not all sandwiches need to have two slices of bread to be called a sandwich.

Manga is very popular, everyone is reading something from Viz or Tokyopop or whoever I forgot to name, and those who don't read manga are watching the shows that are based off manga.

Korobooshi Kojiro
8th November 2006, 10:15 PM
Depends on what you define as "Novel".

For example, I consider One Piece to be just as emmersive as Harry Potter, of course Manga don't have to describe the settings,emotions, and stuff instead they show it.

Neko Godot
8th November 2006, 10:22 PM
Depends on what you define as "Novel".

For example, I consider One Piece to be just as emmersive as Harry Potter, of course Manga don't have to describe the settings,emotions, and stuff instead they show it.
Well, while I believe that one voulme is not as deep as a novel, a series read as a whole can have the same level of depth as a novel.

Korobooshi Kojiro
8th November 2006, 10:27 PM
Yeah, that's what I meant.

Neko Godot
8th November 2006, 10:45 PM
Yeah, that's what I meant.
Then I'm glad I said it for you! ^^

But yeah, lots of kids in my classes read manga, however, since I'm in mostly honors classes, most of the kids are Asian, which makes them more likely to read manga. Or maybe I'm just being stereotypical. :(

Pokepal
8th November 2006, 10:46 PM
Manga is definately growing in popularity.

Korobooshi Kojiro
8th November 2006, 10:54 PM
Then I'm glad I said it for you! ^^

But yeah, lots of kids in my classes read manga, however, since I'm in mostly honors classes, most of the kids are Asian, which makes them more likely to read manga. Or maybe I'm just being stereotypical. :(

At my school, most of the "goths" do, but I'm seeing some other kids do.

I do, and I am the complete opposite of goth as you can be.

BattleFranky~40
8th November 2006, 11:07 PM
What??? Yes they are. Or else, they would be pretty boring.

You don't need a complex plot to be exciting.

Most manga are not very complex when it comes to storytelling and such, and shouldn't EVER be compared to novels, much less considered more complex.

Blueboy66
8th November 2006, 11:12 PM
Manga is not popular anywhere near where I live. So of course it's popular everywhere else in the US. Just not as much as in Asia.

Neko Godot
8th November 2006, 11:30 PM
At my school, most of the "goths" do, but I'm seeing some other kids do.

I do, and I am the complete opposite of goth as you can be.
I don't see any goths read manga at my school. And ya, I'm a total opposite of a goth too.

Satoshi
8th November 2006, 11:46 PM
book [boo k]

–noun
1. a written or printed work of fiction or nonfiction, usually on sheets of paper fastened or bound together within covers.
According to the dictionary, this so called "fellow member" is almost past the borderline of "idiot".

Neko Godot
8th November 2006, 11:48 PM
According to the dictionary, this so called "fellow member" is almost past the borderline of "idiot".
Well, we ARE talking bout Justin.

Speaking of which, where is that kid? You'd think that he'd want to get into the debate he started.

Sachiko
10th November 2006, 12:06 AM
You don't need a complex plot to be exciting.

Most manga are not very complex when it comes to storytelling and such, and shouldn't EVER be compared to novels, much less considered more complex.

I shouldn't have said novel, but any good chapter book. Especially kid's chapter books. They are equally interesting as other chapter books I read, if not a little more because they have so many pictures.

PokeMaster Justin
10th November 2006, 6:15 AM
I agree with those statements, to an extent. Of course manga seems popular on a Pokemon forum- we're all geeks of some kind here! But on the whole, manga isn't that big with the Ignorant Masses.

I'm a bit divided on the "book" classification, but.

*ding* and we have a winner.

Konosuke
10th November 2006, 6:28 AM
*ding* and we have a winner.

*ding* we have spam!

I believe Manga aren't books. They are comics, even the definition of manga in japan means comic (in general). However, in depth, description, and length, they could be compared to books, depending on what book and manga series you are comparing though.

Around here, though, this is a pretty large population of manga readers, and probably underground ones for all i know.

Blues
10th November 2006, 8:36 AM
Manga = Graphic Novel

Graphic Novel = Novel mostly with pictures

Novel = Book

It's basic reasoning.

Korobooshi Kojiro
10th November 2006, 11:02 AM
Anyone amused at how Justin doesn't debate at all? But instead quotes someone else with the dumbest one-liner ever?

Neko Godot
10th November 2006, 2:07 PM
Anyone amused at how Justin doesn't debate at all? But instead quotes someone else with the dumbest one-liner ever?
I'm amused, but not surprised. In fact, I kind of expected it.

Burning Effigy
10th November 2006, 3:51 PM
I think manga are popular, and naruto won the quil award

Konosuke
10th November 2006, 5:21 PM
I think manga are popular, and naruto won the quil award

Sadly, i believe it only won because of the amount of Sales it has. I read Naruto and i love the series dearly (al la fanfiction/fanart/side characters/RP) and it runs the line of shounen well and follows a simple and effective fomula.

I have read, however, better manga that probably deserve that award better than Naruto. Monster, Akira, or any serious works of Osamu Tezuka and other works of Naomi Urasawa would fit well, to me, with the Quill award.

Satoshi
10th November 2006, 5:50 PM
I believe Manga aren't books. They are comics, even the definition of manga in japan means comic (in general). However, in depth, description, and length, they could be compared to books, depending on what book and manga series you are comparing though.Is a comic a written or printed work of fiction or nonfiction, usually bound together within covers? Yes. Are comics usually referred to as comic books? Yes.

PokeMaster Justin
10th November 2006, 5:56 PM
Anyone amused at how Justin doesn't debate at all? But instead quotes someone else with the dumbest one-liner ever?

Because there is nothing TO debate...outside of anime fans manga isn't popular.

What you think is popular =/= what everyone else thinks is popular.

Konosuke
10th November 2006, 6:22 PM
Is a comic a written or printed work of fiction or nonfiction, usually bound together within covers? Yes. Are comics usually referred to as comic books? Yes.

well, if you think of it THAT way, then yes, Manga ARE books. But, in the novel sense, manga arent books. It all depends on your definition on what a book is or not. Dictionaries cant count in personal opinion.


Because there is nothing TO debate...outside of anime fans manga isn't popular.

What you think is popular =/= what everyone else thinks is popular.

This is true. Its all about personal opinion. I have friends that are anime fans, but cant STAND reading manga or books in general.

This thread is basically unable to be a debate, as it will be people spouting their opinions, based half-assedly on small, small facts.

Korobooshi Kojiro
10th November 2006, 8:23 PM
No, you Justin said that Manga wasn't popular on ANY LEVEL in the US....

And that it wasn't a book, and that reading it doesn't count as "reading"..

MugenKeiji
10th November 2006, 8:44 PM
According to the dictionary, this so called "fellow member" is almost past the borderline of "idiot".

That's what happens with a wannabe iconoclast. You tend to spit in more faces for other people's reasoning rather than question and break apart. Your ego hides behind your *** while it does the talking.

The simple fact is that anything printed in a mass of pages qualifies as a book or booklet.

The instruction manual that comes with your game is a book.

A strategy guide is a book

A cookbook is a book even though there's no story in there.

A book about State laws is a book.

The Dictionary is a book

The Bible is a book

Textbooks are books

A martial arts book is a book.

A traveller's guide is a book.

Children's storybooks are books.

Comics, graphic novels, tradepaper backs, manga and tankoubon are sold in BOOKSTORES so they MUST be books.

Manga isn't as complex as a novel, but it can have as much chapters. It's a serial that's long running like a series of novels. Though it's mostly meant to entertain rather than teach (actually that's my feelings on books before TV was made, mostly to entertain rather than teach)

I don't know with the "manga aren't books" BS came from but I can already tell you what you define as a book isn't bound to novels.


Because there is nothing TO debate...outside of anime fans manga isn't popular.

What you think is popular =/= what everyone else thinks is popular.

pop·u·lar (p?p'y?-l?r)
adj.

1. Widely liked or appreciated: a popular resort.

2. Liked by acquaintances; sought after for company: “Beware of over-great pleasure in being popular or even beloved” (Margaret Fuller).

3. Of, representing, or carried on by the people at large: the popular vote.

4. Fit for, adapted to, or reflecting the taste of the people at large: popular entertainment; popular science.

5. Accepted by or prevalent among the people in general: a popular misunderstanding of the issue.

6. Suited to or within the means of ordinary people: popular prices.

7. Originating among the people: popular legend

Popular doesn't mean EVERY FREAKING PEOPLE ON THE FREAKING WORLD LIKES IT.

If thousands of people love it, it's popular. Not mainstream mind you, but it's widely accepted among a group. Majority or not.

Internet memes are popular, but they're also esoteric to non-seasoned users.

Mother is popular in Japan and among certain gamers and most Game Journalists.

Pokemon is popular, but not well accepted among the older crowd nor would the older fans would be taken seriously by their non-fan peers.

Popular knowledge exists in certain celebrities, whether or not they're fans of said celebs. That being said, the existence of manga is acknowledged by outsiders even if slightly. Even comic book artists start to borrow from this style like Adam Warren. Anyone who buys PSM will see his work and that's a popular magazine to PlayStation owners.

Some of the best selling Japanese videogames have designs much like manga or anime. If best selling means it's popular just like how a best selling CD is popular even if it hits only a million people, IT'S POPULAR.

So don't go around saying "Oh, Crayon Shin-chan isn't 50 Cent, therefore it's not popular". On your basis I could say "50 Cent isn't popular outside of hip-hop fans, so it's not popular as you'd think." or "Boondock Saints isn't known outside it's fans, therefore it's not a popular movie."

More than one person IN YOUR GENERATION will know about it. Even if it makes up a small number of the population from where you stand, it's still popular.

Get over it.

Korobooshi Kojiro
10th November 2006, 9:26 PM
I wonder if Justin thinks only socially inept teens read Manga?

BattleFranky~40
10th November 2006, 9:28 PM
I wonder if Justin thinks only socially inept teens read Manga?

More than likely.

HK
15th November 2006, 5:58 AM
You go read Death Note if you don't believe me (it has enough words and depth to have a novel for it, after all).

You're right on the words part, at least.


Especially considering Japan has kids all the way to adults of both genders reading manga, wheareas here it's just kids and teens (male and some female) reading manga most of the time.

You could be considered odd to not read manga at all in Japan (same can't and won't be said about those not watching anime). Yes, really.


Most manga are not very complex when it comes to storytelling and such, and shouldn't EVER be compared to novels, much less considered more complex.

True for currently licensed material, at least. Now then, I wouldn't say the same about stuff that say, Kotonoha or Mangascreener scanlate... but that's another matter.

But, uh, yeah, listen to what this dude said, cuz Death Note isn't the next Crime and Punishment, folks.


Because there is nothing TO debate...outside of anime fans manga isn't popular.

You have a really ignorant preconceived notion of the growing popularity of manga. It really hasn't reached mainstream U.S. yet, per se, but consider that types like Naruto, Fruits Basket, Death Note, Bleach, etc. are cracking into the top fifty in the freakin' best-selling book list, you'd have to be an utter moron to deny its steadily increasing popularity.


What you think is popular =/= what everyone else thinks is popular.

I love the irony here.

Korobooshi Kojiro
15th November 2006, 11:25 AM
You have a really ignorant preconceived notion of the growing popularity of manga. It really hasn't reached mainstream U.S. yet, per se, but consider that types like Naruto, Fruits Basket, Death Note, Bleach, etc. are cracking into the top fifty in the freakin' best-selling book list, you'd have to be an utter moron to deny its steadily increasing popularity.


I love the irony here.

I take it you've never had the pleasure of meeting Justin-sama?

Anyway, I have too say if Captain Underpants is considered a book (and even makes the Banned Book List), then I think Manga is a book.

zonic the hedgehog
15th November 2006, 2:26 PM
You're right on the words part, at least./But, uh, yeah, listen to what this dude said, cuz Death Note isn't the next Crime and Punishment, folks.



I was speaking of the novel adaptation made for Death Note in Japan (kinda like how the movie was made to market the series more), not that I would want a novel made for it...

But then again, Naruto was popular enough to get a novel version...
(probably on-par with a children's Goldenbook title 8D)

+Rhapsody+
21st November 2006, 4:44 AM
This is a very untrue statement.

From what I have read/seen, manga has gained popularity within the last few years. I even see some adults browsing the manga section at Borders occasionally. The amount of fans in my area is on the increase, and I'm certain that manga will continue to gain popularity.

Though it hasn't reached overall mainstream, I'm sure it will soon with titles like Naruto winning awards.

But what I find irritating is the fact that most manga fans I know of are narrow minded and do not expand from the usual mainstream titles.

For those who say that manga isn't classified as a book, remind yourselves that they are also referred to as "graphic novels," meaning that they are indeed a type of book.

shirokiryuu
21st November 2006, 6:42 AM
I have to disagree.

Maybe it's because i live in California, but I think manga is becoming very popular. If Borders dedicates almost a whole row to manga, that's saying something. When i was young, the only manga i could find was in the comic stores, and there weren't enough to fit 2 shelves.

now i can go to school and see plenty of people who like manga, most who randomly read it in the library, versus watching it on TV. Most anime/manga fans I know primarily read manga instead of watching anime. Some only read manga.

In the library there are several rows of manga, and there used to be only 10-15 mangas, only of Ranma 1/2 and Tenchi Muyo, but now there are vast amounts of series I've never even heard of (even manhwa)

It's getting pretty mainstream, even though it's far from every single person reading manga, it's gone quite far.

ChocolateCon
29th November 2006, 2:10 AM
I think that there are people who love anime and manga, but don't say much about it because they don't want to be viewed as an "animefreak" or get declassified in the social hierarchy of their school or something like that. Nevertheless, manga is indeed gaining popularity and people are becoming more open about it.

In the Borders downtown, they devote a whole two rows to accommodate the manga and most of my friends enjoy it.

Shun
29th November 2006, 2:13 AM
Like me I love anime and manga, I just know not to say anything around certain people that could hurt my social life.

+Rhapsody+
29th November 2006, 3:18 AM
I think that there are people who love anime and manga, but don't say much about it because they don't want to be viewed as an "animefreak" or get declassified in the social hierarchy of their school or something like that. Nevertheless, manga is indeed gaining popularity and people are becoming more open about it.


Only you would say that. XP

Nowadays, I don't understand why people would think this when they know it is gaining popularity anyways, and will receive at least some recognition.

JustinConnor
29th November 2006, 4:54 AM
Manga is popular in the U.S.Too much so. Kids(and others who are wayyy to old for it(although I guess certain mangas are for older folks)) are wearing merchandise and spouting phrases from **** I can't understand because its in another language. Kids are growing up in another part of the world nowadays,no matter where they live. G.I Joe is now an anime/manga.

Mangas arent book-books or novels, or graphic novels,they're japanese comic books. As are american comic books american comic books,they aren't graphic novels or anything fancy. Stuff is what it is.


I have rarely met a tepid manga fan,you either don't like it or rave about it.So I guess that divides it into non-fans and "anime nerds".

shirokiryuu
29th November 2006, 5:16 AM
I have rarely met a tepid manga fan,you either don't like it or rave about it.So I guess that divides it into non-fans and "anime nerds".

Really? A friend of mine reads manga casually. She doesn't watch much anime or seek it out. She doesn't obsess over it either, and treats it as any other book. She doesn't readk only manga, and in fact, she reads waay more novels and rarely even talks about manga. But it doesn't stop her from liking manga.

JustinConnor
29th November 2006, 5:39 AM
I haven't met her.

--
Hmm,interesting sig. I didn't think anyone knew wtf that band was =D

shirokiryuu
29th November 2006, 5:47 AM
I haven't met her.

--
Hmm,interesting sig. I didn't think anyone knew wtf that band was =D

I'm just pointing out casual manga fans do exist, even very moderate anime fans. Although many moderate fans dislike being attached to the fanatical anime fan stereotype and don't talk about it much.

--(about my signature, ah, XD, well, you're talking to an obsessed fan here.)

JustinConnor
29th November 2006, 6:00 AM
Not talking about it is one of the eight signs of an anime/manga raving lunatic fanatic fan.

Having Naruto underpants is also one of the signs.

They stopped selling fruit basket underpants after all the jeers.
"Hey, look what I have in my fruit basket,ladies!"
It was a sad sad day for licensed underpants merchandise.

HK
4th December 2006, 12:41 AM
I take it you've never had the pleasure of meeting Justin-sama?

Can't recall, then again my memory is rather faulty to begin with.


I was speaking of the novel adaptation made for Death Note in Japan (kinda like how the movie was made to market the series more), not that I would want a novel made for it...

Or like how an anime was made to market the series more?

See, that's a different kind of "milking" right there.


But then again, Naruto was popular enough to get a novel version...
(probably on-par with a children's Goldenbook title 8D)


Considering the second part of Naruto, I'd bet it would have more literary merit.


But what I find irritating is the fact that most manga fans I know of are narrow minded and do not expand from the usual mainstream titles.

I've come to somewhat accept that it will happen... Honestly, what bugs the hell out of me are manga fans who are willing to give North American and European comics a chance, and likewise with comic fans unwilling to give manga a chance.


Really? A friend of mine reads manga casually. She doesn't watch much anime or seek it out. She doesn't obsess over it either, and treats it as any other book. She doesn't readk only manga, and in fact, she reads waay more novels and rarely even talks about manga. But it doesn't stop her from liking manga.

Sounds like the typical Japanese citizen to me.

Goth_Guy
5th December 2006, 3:43 AM
There is a difference between popular and mainstream, manga is not so mainstream, but it is popular with people who read them on a regular basis.

Erus Black Mage
5th December 2006, 1:31 PM
It isn't very popular in Oklahoma, hell the only manga I can find is Shonen Jump Manga (You know, where they show 2-3 chapters each of Yugioh,Naruto,OnePiece, and others?)