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Heliotrope
19th November 2006, 2:45 PM
Umbreon
Impish
252 hp; 176 def; 80 sdef
Baton pass
Toxic
Curse
Wish

Dragonite
Adamant
Not sure what EV's to give. Suggestions?
Dragon claw
Fire/Thunder punch
Earthquake/Aerial ace
Dragon dance

Swampert
Adamant
252 att; 252 hp; 6 sdef
Earthquake
Ice punch
Waterfall
Rest/?

Ampharos
Modest
206 hp; 76 def; 228 satt
Thunderbolt
HP Dragon
Toxic
Safeguard

Espeon
Timid
252 spe; 129 def; 129 spdef
Psychic
Wish/Shadow ball
Calm mind
Baton pass

Meganium
Bold
252 hp; 176 def; 80 spatt
Giga drain
Leech seed
Ancient power
Toxic/Safeguard/HP Fire


Bare in mind that I don't know much about the new moves or items.

The basic strategy (in double battles) is to start off with Umbreon and Dragonite; Draggy can defend Umbreon from bug/fighting types while it curses up and then baton passes to Swampert, who can use earthquake without harming Dragonite.

Espeon is there to baton pass calm mind to my special attackers (heh, special attacking Meganium)

Any thoughts/suggestions?

groudon455
19th November 2006, 3:01 PM
Id choose a Fire Pokemon instead of Umbreon Personally, Charizard or the new monkey thing or the Magmar evo would be my choice but otherwise its good

RoboRaph
19th November 2006, 3:08 PM
The basic strategy (in double battles) is to start off with Umbreon and Dragonite; Draggy can defend Umbreon from bug/fighting types while it curses up and then baton passes to Swampert, who can use earthquake without harming Dragonite.


Dragonite can't stop Umbreon from being attacked by bug/fighting moves, the only way to do that is to use a Pokémon that knows the move Follow Me - Togekiss could do that.

Skinwalker
19th November 2006, 3:08 PM
The basic strategy (in double battles) is to start off with Umbreon and Dragonite; Draggy can defend Umbreon from bug/fighting types while it curses up and then baton passes to Swampert, who can use earthquake without harming Dragonite.
Umbreon really doesn't need a body guard. XD



Umbreon @leftovers
Impish
252 hp; 176 def; 80 sdef
Baton pass
Toxic
Curse
Wish
Fine.

Dragonite
Adamant
Not sure what EV's to give. Suggestions? Not sure on this either.
Dragon claw
Thunder punch
Earthquake/Aerial ace
Dragon dance
Thunderpunch for water type ice beamers and Skarmory. EQ for steel types so you can cover the only thing that resists Dragon claw.

Swampert
Adamant
252 att; 252 hp; 6 sdef
Earthquake
Ice punch/Snow Slide
Waterfall
Rest/?
Snow slide will do great since you'll have low speed.

Ampharos
Modest
206 hp; 76 def; 228 satt
Thunderbolt
HP Dragon
Toxic
Safeguard
Not sure. Possibly Power gem/ HP ice.

Espeon
Timid
252 spe; 129 def; 129 spdef
Psychic
Wish/Shadow ball
Calm mind
Baton pass
Good. Maybe put some of the spdef EVs into sp atk. You could go with either Wish or Shadow ball, but you already have an umbreon for wishpassing.

Meganium
Bold
252 hp; 176 def; 80 spatt
Giga drain/ Energy ball
Leech seed
HP Fire
Aromatherapy




Dragonite can't stop Umbreon from being attacked by bug/fighting moves, the only way to do that is to use a Pokémon that knows the move Follow Me - Togekiss could do that.

I think she meant that Dragonite can attack the pokemon that would use those moves.

parasectdude
19th November 2006, 3:28 PM
Seriously, no HP Dragon on Ampharos. Use HP Ice, but if this is an ingame competitive team, stick with it.

"L"
19th November 2006, 6:07 PM
Dragonite
Adamant
Not sure what EV's to give. Suggestions? 252 attk 252 speed
Dragon claw
Aerial Ace
Earthquake
Dragon dance

AA and EQ cover a lot of types together and a t-punch wont do that much damage on bulky waters. EVs 252attk 252 speed. If you really dont want both AA and EQ, take EQ and go with T- punch since EQ already takes care of ice. Maybe go with a Jolly dragonite.

Dark Sneasel
19th November 2006, 6:42 PM
K. T. knows me so...

Dotaitos:
Seed Bomb
EQ
Curse
Crunch/Stone Edge

Rentoraa:
Thunder Fang
Ice Fang
Crunch
Fire Fang

Floatsel:
Waterfall
Crunch
Ice Fang
Dig

Perap:
Blabber
Hyper Voice
Feather Rest
Scheme

Weavile:
Ice Punch
Blade Test
BB
AA

Lucario:
Metal Claw
Extreme Speed
Pulse Bomb
Psychic

This is a very well-balanced team if i do say so my self(and i do Xd)

Cipher Admin Xaos
19th November 2006, 7:58 PM
You want buoysel instead of floatsel

Heliotrope
19th November 2006, 8:57 PM
What has that got to do with my team? O_o

Heliotrope
20th November 2006, 8:57 AM
At time my Ampharos/Meganium may be swapped for one of these:

Starmie
Timid
252 sp att; 176 def; 80 spe
Psychic/Recover
Surf
Ice beam
Thunderbolt

Charizard
Modest
252 sp att; 252 spe; 6 hp
Flamethrower
Ancient power
HP Grass
?


Suggestions?

tomato13187
20th November 2006, 12:48 PM
For the Charizard, try Aerial Ace maybe? The Starmie looks very good, but keep Recover for healing itself, which will be useful in competitive play.

Heliotrope
20th November 2006, 2:50 PM
Why would I put Aerial Ace on a special attacker? I find that kind of odd.

RoboRaph
20th November 2006, 3:05 PM
Use Air Slash on Charizard, it's special.

Night Avenger
20th November 2006, 4:29 PM
Yeah go with Air Slash, I would prefer a physical Charizard but whatever, these are your pokemon!

KiMeS
20th November 2006, 4:49 PM
ampharos could very well be swapped for starmie plus a second water seems far more useful. You already have the t-bolt, but maybe you could also try rapid spin since the spikes will most likely get more frequent with D/P.

meganium for charizard is somewhat troublesome. I would stick with meganium certainly because its so freaking irritating...

Poke doll
23rd November 2006, 8:07 AM
post what hold items you want them to hold.=P

dragon93
23rd November 2006, 10:09 AM
Shouldnt you post this in the D/P forum??

Raito
23rd November 2006, 11:49 AM
Special Char

Char @ Lefties
Blaze
Modest/Timid
Air Slash
Flamethrower
Feather Rest
Dragon Pulse

Physical Char

Char @ Salac Berry
Jolly/Adamant
Blaze
Substitute
Belly Drum
Fire Punch
Dragon Claw

Heliotrope
23rd November 2006, 5:49 PM
I'm probably going to use my Togekiss (who's obviously still a Togetic right now) at some point.

Is this any good?

Togekiss
Modest nature
252 sp att; 252 spe; 6 hp (will probably change)
Tri attack
Flamethrower
Ancient power
Water pulse

Togekiss has so many nice moves, I've rather spoiled for choice. ^^;

cubkid05
26th November 2007, 11:55 PM
Give Dragonite the Earthquake. It will protect him against those pesky electric and Ice types.