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DSDark
20th November 2006, 9:14 PM
Here's my future team Please rate and give suggestions

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa392.png
Goukazaru
Adamant
-Flare Drive
-In Fight
-Stone Edge
-Sword Dance

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa409.png
Rampard
Adamant
-Earthquake
-Crunch
-Reminiscent Headbutt
-Double Headbutt

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa212.png
Scizor Trait:Technician
Adamant
-Reversal
-Agility
-Scissor Cross
-Endure

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa094.png
Gengar
Modest
-Sludge Bomb
-Shadow Ball
-Energy Ball
-Thunderbolt

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa448.png
Lucario Trait: Inner Focus
Modest
-Pulse Bomb
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Dark Pulse

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa186.png
Politoed Trait :Water Absorb
Modest
-Surf
-Ice beam
-Psychic
-Hypnosis

aragornbird
20th November 2006, 9:46 PM
Gengar @Leftovers
Timid/Modest Nature
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt
-Energy Ball
-Hypnosis/Sludge Bomb

(Physical) Goukazaru @Leftovers
Adamant Nature
-In-Fight
-Flare Drive
-Stone Edge
-Swords Dance/Thunderpunch

Rampard @Choice Band
Adamant Nature
-Double Headbutt
-Earthquake
-Reminiscent Headbutt
-Crunch

Kaiburasu @Leftovers
Adamant Nature
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Swords Dance
-Stone Edge/Fire Blast

(Special) Lucario @Leftovers
Modest Nature
-Pulse Bomb
-Dark Pulse
-Calm Mind
-Substitute/Psychic

Politoed @Leftovers
Modest Nature
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Hypnosis
-Psychic/Counter

Scizor @Leftovers
Adamant Nature
-Scissor Cross
-Iron Head
-Swords Dance
-Blade Test

DSDark
20th November 2006, 10:05 PM
Gengar @Leftovers
Timid/Modest Nature
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt
-Energy Ball
-Hypnosis/Sludge Bomb

(Physical) Goukazaru @Leftovers
Adamant Nature
-In-Fight
-Flare Drive
-Stone Edge
-Swords Dance/Thunderpunch

Rampard @Choice Band
Adamant Nature
-Double Headbutt
-Earthquake
-Reminiscent Headbutt
-Crunch

Kaiburasu @Leftovers
Adamant Nature
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Swords Dance
-Stone Edge/Fire Blast

(Special) Lucario @Leftovers
Modest Nature
-Pulse Bomb
-Dark Pulse
-Calm Mind
-Substitute/Psychic

Politoed @Leftovers
Modest Nature
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Hypnosis
-Psychic/Counter

Scizor @Leftovers
Adamant Nature
-Scissor Cross
-Iron Head
-Swords Dance
-Blade Test

NO WAY!!! NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

aragornbird
20th November 2006, 10:19 PM
What? O_o
I gave you some of the best sets for all of the Pokémon you listed.

DSDark
20th November 2006, 10:36 PM
What? O_o
I gave you some of the best sets for all of the Pokémon you listed.


i don't use "other" moves and do you realize u have a rock move three times.

aragornbird
20th November 2006, 10:43 PM
Non-Damaging moves are just as important as damaging moves because they help you greatly in battle. People who don’t use non-damaging moves are most likely noobs. As soon as you fight a tough wall with really high defense and special defense, you’re gonna wish you had a move like Swords Dance to boost your stats since your attacking moves alone won’t cut it.

So what if I listed Stone Edge three times? It’s easy to get extra TMs in D/P. Just trade through Wi-Fi.

DSDark
20th November 2006, 10:58 PM
Non-Damaging moves are just as important as damaging moves because they help you greatly in battle. People who don’t use non-damaging moves are most likely noobs. As soon as you fight a tough wall with really high defense and special defense, you’re gonna wish you had a move like Swords Dance to boost your stats since your attacking moves alone won’t cut it.

So what if I listed Stone Edge three times? It’s easy to get extra TMs in D/P. Just trade through Wi-Fi.


I'm not a Noob i just don't prefer "other" moves k

Shiny Venusaur
21st November 2006, 2:09 AM
Non-Damaging moves are just as important as damaging moves because they help you greatly in battle. People who don’t use non-damaging moves are most likely noobs. As soon as you fight a tough wall with really high defense and special defense, you’re gonna wish you had a move like Swords Dance to boost your stats since your attacking moves alone won’t cut it.

So what if I listed Stone Edge three times? It’s easy to get extra TMs in D/P. Just trade through Wi-Fi.


I agree with that, and those movesets are very good

Weavile_Striker
21st November 2006, 2:32 AM
Use some kind of Stat Boosting move. Also, Stone Edge is good, high critical hit ratio.

ShinyFufu
21st November 2006, 2:56 AM
Well, I know that you SHOULD listen to Aragornbird... he is a great comptetive battler, and he knows what he is talking about. What is wrong with "Other" moves? Yeah, there are some that suck, but what is so bad that you can't even use them? Aragornbird summed up what I was going to say about them, so why would you not want to use them?

Edit:

HOWEVER! I personally like Modest Lucario@ Leftovers with Calm Mind/Pulse Bomb/Shadow Ball/Agility. Covers everything and nothing can match its speed(cept Deoxys-E and Ninjask after a Speed Boost I believe).

/Exiled/
21st November 2006, 2:59 AM
dont ask for help if you dont want our help...

DSDark
22nd November 2006, 5:31 PM
Goukazaru
Blaze
@Adamant
Flare Drive
In Fight
Earthquake (same attack as stone edge better acc)
Shadow Claw/Thunder Punch

Rampard
Unconventional
@Adamant
Dig(Earthquake may be better but i like dig)
Snow Slide(Good effect)
Reminiscent Headbutt
Stone Edge (Not going to hurt me with recoil)

Scizor
Technician
@Adamant
Iron Head
Blade Test
Scissor Cross
Sword Dance (yeah)

Gengar
Levitate
@Modest
Sludge Bomb(STAB)
Shadow Ball(STAB)
Energy Ball
Thunderbolt

Lucario
Inner Focus
@Modest
Pulse Bomb
Luster Cannon (Has to stay STAB)
Dark Pulse
Dragon Pulse

Politoed
Swift Swim
@Modest
Surf
Ice beam
Psychic
Focus Bomb/Hypnosis

any other suggestions

ShinyFufu
22nd November 2006, 5:57 PM
Follow the suggestions Aragornbird gave you as they are the best that can be provided(I don't really feel like rating right now anyways)

DSDark
22nd November 2006, 6:39 PM
What? O_o
I gave you some of the best sets for all of the Pokémon you listed.


not completely that best but there not bad, i don't get why get ride of luster cannon on lucario STAB

Inazuma
22nd November 2006, 8:12 PM
well If this is for competitive battles you will lose sooooooo badly if you dont use his movesets,and follow what aragornbird says he is actully like the beat competitive battler here.And if you dont want our help then why ask?

DSDark
22nd November 2006, 8:28 PM
well If this is for competitive battles you will lose sooooooo badly if you dont use his movesets,and follow what aragornbird says he is actully like the beat competitive battler here.And if you dont want our help then why ask?

i'll consider some of the moves but not all, and i do want help i just don't completely agree with aragornbird.

DSDark
22nd November 2006, 8:45 PM
Goukazaru
Blaze
@Adamant
Flare Drive
In Fight
Thunder Punch
Sword Dance

Rampard
Unconventional
@Adamant
Earthquake
Crunch
Reminiscent Headbutt
Stone Edge

Scizor
Technician
@Adamant
Iron Head
Blade Test
Scissor Cross
Swords Dance

Gengar
Levitate
@Modest
Sludge Bomb
Shadow Ball
Energy Ball
Thunderbolt

Lucario
Inner Focus
@Modest
Pulse Bomb
Calm Mind
Psychic
Dragon Pulse

Politoed
Swift Swim
@Modest
Surf
Ice beam
Psychic
Hypnosis

ShinyFufu
22nd November 2006, 8:59 PM
IMO, Luster Cannon should not be on Lucario. You already cover every pokemon with Pulse Bomb/Shadow Ball, and Steel types aren't good offensively. Other than STAB, what is Luster Cannon gonna do? Kill those darned Ice and Rock types? B are owned by Pulse Bomb(which cannot miss).

DSDark
22nd November 2006, 9:44 PM
IMO, Luster Cannon should not be on Lucario. You already cover every pokemon with Pulse Bomb/Shadow Ball, and Steel types aren't good offensively. Other than STAB, what is Luster Cannon gonna do? Kill those darned Ice and Rock types? B are owned by Pulse Bomb(which cannot miss).

what do you suggest then.

Commander Blitzkrieg
23rd November 2006, 2:28 AM
A solid team. No doubt about it. Might even be able to beat my old JAA team.

DSDark
23rd November 2006, 2:32 AM
A solid team. No doubt about it. Might even be able to beat my old JAA team.

thanks, JAA what's that?

Armored Zangoose
23rd November 2006, 2:33 AM
If you only use attack moves a tank with ok attack or special attack can destroy your entire team.

DSDark
23rd November 2006, 2:36 AM
If you only use attack moves a tank with ok attack or special attack can destroy your entire team.

? confusion

aragornbird
23rd November 2006, 3:45 AM
JAA is a 2 vs. 2 tournament that took place earlier this year. Just ignore it, it has nothing to do with D/P.

What Armored Zangoose should've said is Any Pokemon with Good defenses can defeat an all-out attack team.

DSDark
23rd November 2006, 3:50 AM
JAA is a 2 vs. 2 tournament that took place earlier this year. Just ignore it, it has nothing to do with D/P.

What Armored Zangoose should've said is Any Pokemon with Good defenses can defeat an all-out attack team.

all right aragorn question what is your team going to be?

aragornbird
23rd November 2006, 3:57 AM
I haven't decided yet. I'll probably make a team based around Sandstream+Stealth Rock.

DSDark
23rd November 2006, 4:01 AM
I haven't decided yet. I'll probably make a team based around Sandstream+Stealth Rock.

cool when u come up with it i'll try to edit it, but what do you think of my team

aragornbird
23rd November 2006, 4:04 AM
I think it's okay for an in-game team, especially for a game that hasn't even come out in the US yet.

DSDark
23rd November 2006, 4:11 AM
I think it's okay for an in-game team, especially for a game that hasn't even come out in the US yet.

but not so great for on-line

DSDark
23rd November 2006, 11:16 PM
this will be my team will end up

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa392.png
Goukazaru
Adamant
-Flare Drive
-In Fight
-Stone Edge
-Sword Dance

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa409.png
Rampard
Adamant
-Earthquake
-Crunch
-Reminiscent Headbutt
-Double Headbutt

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa212.png
Scizor Trait:Technician
Adamant
-Iron Head
-Blade Test
-Scissor Cross
-Swords Dance

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa094.png
Gengar
Modest
-Sludge Bomb
-Shadow Ball
-Energy Ball
-Thunderbolt

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa448.png
Lucario Trait: Inner Focus
Modest
-Pulse Bomb
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Dragon Pulse

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa186.png
Politoed Trait :Swift Swim
Modest
-Surf
-Ice beam
-Psychic
-Hypnosis

DSDark
24th November 2006, 4:46 PM
Come on i know this thread is getting viewed alot, so please post in this thread because i know that my team could be better.

green dragonite17
24th November 2006, 4:50 PM
DSdark don't double or triple post people will reply to your thread later.

ShinyFufu
24th November 2006, 4:53 PM
what do you suggest then.

Substitute, Agility, or some physical move like Cross Chop so that you don't get owned by Blissey and other special walls.

DSDark
24th November 2006, 4:57 PM
Substitute, Agility, or some physical move like Cross Chop so that you don't get owned by Blissey and other special walls.

that's what pulse bomb is for, and have you seen the latest for lucario its
Lucario
Inner Focus
@Modest
Pulse Bomb
Calm Mind
Psychic
Dragon Pulse

Commander Blitzkrieg
27th November 2006, 12:43 AM
Pulse bomb is awesome. I'm planning on teaching it to my future Parukia. But Lucario is an offensive hitter, and should be taught damage-dealing moves. Like this:
Lucario
Inner Focus
Pulse Bomb
Psychic
Dragon Pulse
In Fight

DSDark
28th November 2006, 9:30 PM
Pulse bomb is awesome. I'm planning on teaching it to my future Parukia. But Lucario is an offensive hitter, and should be taught damage-dealing moves. Like this:
Lucario
Inner Focus
Pulse Bomb
Psychic
Dragon Pulse
In Fight

i'm not a big fan of in-fight and with that line up you have three special and one physical and i like either all special for the move that do damage or all physical for the move that do damage.

jolteonjak
28th November 2006, 9:55 PM
Pulse Bomb is a special attack. Blissey will wall it like everything else that's special. If you have Blissey problems in game (I only remember fighting one trainer with a Blissey), use one of your other three.

I like your team..anything with Politoed gets thumbs up IMO. If this is strictly in game/Battle Tower, then I say its fine. If you plan on going Wifi or cometitive then you would need more than just attacks.

DSDark
28th November 2006, 10:07 PM
Pulse Bomb is a special attack. Blissey will wall it like everything else that's special. If you have Blissey problems in game (I only remember fighting one trainer with a Blissey), use one of your other three.

I like your team..anything with Politoed gets thumbs up IMO. If this is strictly in game/Battle Tower, then I say its fine. If you plan on going Wifi or cometitive then you would need more than just attacks.

what do you suggest then

jolteonjak
28th November 2006, 10:57 PM
Your three physical attackers. If you want to use Lucario, use In-Fight or Brick Break.

DSDark
28th November 2006, 11:09 PM
Your three physical attackers. If you want to use Lucario, use In-Fight or Brick Break.

y use In-Fight or Brick Break

aragornbird
29th November 2006, 1:15 AM
Your three physical attackers. If you want to use Lucario, use In-Fight or Brick Break.
Yeah, why would he use Physical Fighting moves on a SPECIAL Lucario, huh? Think about that.

DSDark
29th November 2006, 1:19 AM
Yeah, why would he use Physical Fighting moves on a SPECIAL Lucario, huh? Think about that.

yeah why would i, when i have Goukazaru who know in-fight

Commander Blitzkrieg
29th November 2006, 1:29 AM
Because you can never have too many of one move. Take my JAA team for example. 4 of them know Thunder, and I could easily slam any of you with them! I finished semis!

DSDark
29th November 2006, 3:07 AM
Because you can never have too many of one move. Take my JAA team for example. 4 of them know Thunder, and I could easily slam any of you with them! I finished semis!

well okay but see i don't want my special Lucario to know a physical move.

jolteonjak
29th November 2006, 4:33 AM
y use In-Fight or Brick Break

lol...because when I first posted, I suggested that you use one of your three physical attackers (Scizor, Goukazaru, and/or Rampard) ...then you wanted another suggestion. Then I said In Fight on Lucario.

You don't seem to be open to many critques of your team.

redrunner89
29th November 2006, 9:48 PM
this will be my team will end up

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa392.png
Goukazaru
Adamant
-Flare Drive
-In Fight
-Stone Edge
-Flame wheel/poison stab

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa409.png
Rampard
Adamant
-Earthquake
-Crunch
-Reminiscent Headbutt
-Double Headbutt
Good attacks

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa212.png
Scizor Trait:Technician
Adamant
-Iron Head
-Blade Test
-Scissor Cross
-Slash/steel wing

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa094.png
Gengar
Modest
-Sludge Bomb
-Shadow Ball
-Energy Ball
-Thunderbolt
nice all attack moves

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa448.png
Lucario Trait: Inner Focus
Modest
-Pulse Bomb
-Focus bomb/luster cannon
-Psychic
-Dragon Pulse

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa186.png
Politoed Trait :Swift Swim
Modest
-Surf
-Ice beam
-Psychic
-Hydro pump


this is better allows u to knock out guys without wasting time using supportive moves

DSDark
30th November 2006, 3:04 AM
I'm in the process of editing rampard and gengar, will update team soon

DSDark
1st December 2006, 12:55 AM
Here's another edit
this will be my team will end up

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa392.png
Goukazaru
Adamant
-Flare Drive
-In Fight
-Stone Edge
-Sword Dance

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa409.png
Rampard
Adamant
-Earthquake
-Rock Cart
-Reminiscent Headbutt
-Double Headbutt

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa212.png
Scizor Trait:Technician
Adamant
-Iron Head
-Blade Test
-Scissor Cross
-Swords Dance

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa094.png
Gengar
Modest
-Sludge Bomb
-Shadow Ball
-Energy Ball
-Thunderbolt

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa448.png
Lucario Trait: Inner Focus
Modest
-Pulse Bomb
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Dragon Pulse

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa186.png
Politoed Trait :Swift Swim
Modest
-Surf
-Ice beam
-Psychic
-Hypnosis

DSDark
2nd December 2006, 7:02 PM
lol...because when I first posted, I suggested that you use one of your three physical attackers (Scizor, Goukazaru, and/or Rampard) ...then you wanted another suggestion. Then I said In Fight on Lucario.

You don't seem to be open to many critques of your team.

sorry about, but what do you suggest i do with my three physical attackers?

aragornbird
2nd December 2006, 9:08 PM
Dragon Pulse is quite useless on Lucario. Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse please.

Oh, and wtf, Politoed can't get Swift Swim. Water Absorb please.

DSDark
2nd December 2006, 10:10 PM
Dragon Pulse is quite useless on Lucario. Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse please.

Oh, and wtf, Politoed can't get Swift Swim. Water Absorb please.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa392.png
Goukazaru
Adamant
-Flare Drive
-In Fight
-Stone Edge
-Sword Dance

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa409.png
Rampard
Adamant
-Earthquake
-Rock Cart
-Reminiscent Headbutt
-Double Headbutt

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa212.png
Scizor Trait:Technician
Adamant
-Iron Head
-Blade Test
-Scissor Cross
-Swords Dance

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa094.png
Gengar
Modest
-Sludge Bomb
-Shadow Ball
-Energy Ball
-Thunderbolt

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa448.png
Lucario Trait: Inner Focus
Modest
-Pulse Bomb
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Dragon Pulse/Dark Pulse

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa186.png
Politoed Trait :Water Absorb
Modest
-Surf
-Ice beam
-Psychic
-Hypnosis

Why Dark pulse over Dragon Pulse

aragornbird
2nd December 2006, 10:52 PM
It's supereffective against Ghosts, who are immune to Pulse Bomb.

DSDark
2nd December 2006, 10:58 PM
It's supereffective against Ghosts, who are immune to Pulse Bomb.

all right, but then i have only one move that is good against dragons

Commander Blitzkrieg
2nd December 2006, 11:06 PM
I also vote Dark Pulse, because If you need a fighting move, use your Goukazaru's In Fight.

DSDark
2nd December 2006, 11:08 PM
I also vote Dark Pulse, because If you need a fighting move, use your Goukazaru's In Fight.

it would switching dragon pulse to dark pulse

Commander Blitzkrieg
2nd December 2006, 11:40 PM
Exactly. Yay me.

DSDark
3rd December 2006, 12:14 AM
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa392.png
Goukazaru
Adamant
-Flare Drive
-In Fight
-Stone Edge
-Sword Dance

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa409.png
Rampard
Adamant
-Earthquake
-Rock Cart
-Reminiscent Headbutt
-Double Headbutt

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa212.png
Scizor Trait:Technician
Adamant
-Iron Head
-Blade Test
-Scissor Cross
-Swords Dance

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa094.png
Gengar
Modest
-Sludge Bomb
-Shadow Ball
-Energy Ball
-Thunderbolt

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa448.png
Lucario Trait: Inner Focus
Modest
-Pulse Bomb
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Dark Pulse

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa186.png
Politoed Trait :Water Absorb
Modest
-Surf
-Ice beam
-Psychic
-Hypnosis

Commander Blitzkrieg
3rd December 2006, 10:29 PM
I think you should get rid of Rock Cart for Thunder, just in case a water type gives you trouble, and give it a Focus Lens so that Rampard's low speed will give it somewhat of an advantage.

aragornbird
3rd December 2006, 10:38 PM
Thunder? Stop giving suggestions please. Rampard's Special Attack is terrible so it'll hardly do anything against Water types.

Commander Blitzkrieg
3rd December 2006, 10:54 PM
Well, you've got me there. Forget what I said and act that post isn't there. But you should still give Rampard Focus Lens.

aragornbird
3rd December 2006, 11:14 PM
Focus Lens is a bad item, you don't want Rampard to get hit first. It has terrible defenses and will die before it gets the chance to attack. This is why looking at a Pokemon stats is important. You get to see if it can actually last long or not and you also get to see whether it should use Physical attacks or special attacks or both.

Commander Blitzkrieg
3rd December 2006, 11:29 PM
Well, Rampard is an offense player, and has higher physical stats than special, as any rock type would. And you are right in saying that focus lens could be a bad thing. But DS should at least expirement with it, and if that doesn't work, try a Quick Claw so that it will at least be able to get a strike in. But I personally don't care for Rampard, so I can't really tell you that much about him.

mastersky303
4th December 2006, 1:14 AM
yeah, it's pretty solid.......try to put 1 of every move type like i did...

DSDark
4th December 2006, 3:35 PM
Well, Rampard is an offense player, and has higher physical stats than special, as any rock type would. And you are right in saying that focus lens could be a bad thing. But DS should at least expirement with it, and if that doesn't work, try a Quick Claw so that it will at least be able to get a strike in. But I personally don't care for Rampard, so I can't really tell you that much about him.

i've for the most part always had a fossil pokemon in my team, and i also just like Rampard.

Commander Blitzkrieg
5th December 2006, 12:35 AM
Well, I'm more of a Toridepusu man myself, but your team needs Rampard. Every team needs at least one big offense player.

DSDark
5th December 2006, 3:10 AM
Well, I'm more of a Toridepusu man myself, but your team needs Rampard. Every team needs at least one big offense player.

see i'm not a fan of Toridpusu cuz um its just a wall

Rizadon
5th December 2006, 4:21 PM
A solid team. No doubt about it. Might even be able to beat my old JAA team.

Wilton, stop bragging about how good your team was. If it was soo good, how come you entered two tourneys and FAILED BOTH! I atcually made it to the finals and you still think my team sucks. What you said lastly had no reeason to be said here. He wants a rate, not a preach from a kid who thinks he's better with an amatuer team!
On topic; Godd team dude! 9/10

DSDark
5th December 2006, 9:56 PM
Wilton, stop bragging about how good your team was. If it was soo good, how come you entered two tourneys and FAILED BOTH! I atcually made it to the finals and you still think my team sucks. What you said lastly had no reeason to be said here. He wants a rate, not a preach from a kid who thinks he's better with an amatuer team!
On topic; Godd team dude! 9/10

nice thanks.

Commander Blitzkrieg
5th December 2006, 11:06 PM
Wilton, stop bragging about how good your team was. If it was soo good, how come you entered two tourneys and FAILED BOTH! I atcually made it to the finals and you still think my team sucks. What you said lastly had no reeason to be said here. He wants a rate, not a preach from a kid who thinks he's better with an amatuer team!
On topic; Godd team dude! 9/10

Oh shut up. I lost because of a lucky Sheer Cold.

DSDark
6th December 2006, 5:53 PM
Oh shut up. I lost because of a lucky Sheer Cold.

did you lose a ;144; that used mind reader and then sheer cold

I'm think of changing the dragon shark back into my team, help here who should i remove?

DSDark
6th December 2006, 11:09 PM
Sorry about the Double Post but

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa392.png
Goukazaru
Adamant
-Flare Drive
-In Fight
-Stone Edge
-Sword Dance

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa409.png
Rampard
Adamant
-Earthquake
-Crunch
-Reminiscent Headbutt
-Double Headbutt

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa212.png
Scizor Trait:Technician
Adamant
-Baton Pass
-Agility
-Scissor Cross
-Swords Dance

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa094.png
Gengar
Modest
-Sludge Bomb
-Shadow Ball
-Energy Ball
-Thunderbolt

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa448.png
Lucario Trait: Inner Focus
Modest
-Pulse Bomb
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Dark Pulse

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa186.png
Politoed Trait :Water Absorb
Modest
-Surf
-Ice beam
-Psychic
-Hypnosis

added agility and baton pass to scizor

Commander Blitzkrieg
7th December 2006, 2:37 AM
did you lose a ;144; that used mind reader and then sheer cold

I'm think of changing the dragon shark back into my team, help here who should i remove?

No, I lost to a regular 30% accuracy shot from ;382;. But that's not he point. Try getting rid of Gengar.

DSDark
7th December 2006, 2:42 AM
No, I lost to a regular 30% accuracy shot from ;382;. But that's not he point. Try getting rid of Gengar.

no way i love gengar its one of my favorite and y should i

Commander Blitzkrieg
7th December 2006, 2:48 AM
I feel that it's the weakest on your team. But if you don't want to get rid of him, toss Scizor out the window. I love Scizor, he's my favorite bug, but the move set you've picked out for him doesn't suit Scizor himself.

DSDark
7th December 2006, 2:56 AM
I feel that it's the weakest on your team. But if you don't want to get rid of him, toss Scizor out the window. I love Scizor, he's my favorite bug, but the move set you've picked out for him doesn't suit Scizor himself.

the move suit scizor perfect i think, i'm my the way it is.

Commander Blitzkrieg
7th December 2006, 3:07 AM
This is just my opinion, but 130 base attack is not to bee scoffed. Scizor is a Physical sweeper, and should be taught all offense like this:

Iron Head
Scissor Cross
Blade Test
Slash(?)

DSDark
7th December 2006, 3:16 AM
This is just my opinion, but 130 base attack is not to bee scoffed. Scizor is a Physical sweeper, and should be taught all offense like this:

Iron Head
Scissor Cross
Blade Test
Slash(?)

see the thing is that its types allow it to be a great Baton Passer. and it learn agility and swords dance.

DSDark
7th December 2006, 3:18 AM
This is just my opinion, but 130 base attack is not to bee scoffed. Scizor is a Physical sweeper, and should be taught all offense like this:

Iron Head
Scissor Cross
Blade Test
Slash(?)

see the thing is that its types allow it to be a great Baton Passer. and it learn agility and swords dance.

redrunner89
7th December 2006, 4:04 PM
see the thing is that its types allow it to be a great Baton Passer. and it learn agility and swords dance.

ds what is your point gatr is correct scizor is a physical sweeper, if u want it to a baton passer then you are waste a slot in your team, he will be dead weight. Teach it some attack moves like iron head, blade test, scissor cross, and maybe sword dance to keep with what you like. Scizor has great attack strength and with having him just be a baton passer your allowing a power pokemon to be a iron paper weight

Timmy73
7th December 2006, 4:40 PM
;392;
Goukazaru
Adamant
-Flare Drive
-In Fight
-Thunderpunch
-Sword Dance

^ Might need Thunderpunch to counteract Water and Flying weakness.

;409;
Ramuparudo
Adamant
-Earthquake
-Crunch
-Reminiscent Headbutt
-Double Headbutt

^ It has a Choice Band?

;094;
Gengar
Modest
-Sludge Bomb
-Shadow Ball
-Energy Ball/Destiny Bond
-Thunderbolt/Destiny Bond

^ Good. Destiny Bond is an option replacement for Thunderbolt or Energy Ball. Gengar is fast enough to drag a foe down when it faints.

Very Good Team, the other 3 pokemon are fine and don't need fixing. :D

redrunner89
7th December 2006, 9:41 PM
;392;
Goukazaru
Adamant
-Flare Drive
-In Fight
-Thunderpunch
-Sword Dance

^ Might need Thunderpunch to counteract Water and Flying weakness.

;409;
Ramuparudo
Adamant
-Earthquake
-Crunch
-Reminiscent Headbutt
-Double Headbutt

^ It has a Choice Band?

;094;
Gengar
Modest
-Sludge Bomb
-Shadow Ball
-Energy Ball/Destiny Bond
-Thunderbolt/Destiny Bond

^ Good. Destiny Bond is an option replacement for Thunderbolt or Energy Ball. Gengar is fast enough to drag a foe down when it faints.

Very Good Team, the other 3 pokemon are fine and don't need fixing. :D

I wouldn't have the fire starter know swords dance teach it iron tail, earthquake, shadow claw, poison stab

DSDark
7th December 2006, 10:09 PM
I wouldn't have the fire starter know swords dance teach it iron tail, earthquake, shadow claw, poison stab

want part of supportive do you not understand


ds what is your point gatr is correct scizor is a physical sweeper, if u want it to a baton passer then you are waste a slot in your team, he will be dead weight. Teach it some attack moves like iron head, blade test, scissor cross, and maybe sword dance to keep with what you like. Scizor has great attack strength and with having him just be a baton passer your allowing a power pokemon to be a iron paper weight

yeah but see scizor's types allow it to be a wall and then it can use alot of supportive moves


;392;
Goukazaru
Adamant
-Flare Drive
-In Fight
-Thunderpunch
-Sword Dance

^ Might need Thunderpunch to counteract Water and Flying weakness.

;409;
Ramuparudo
Adamant
-Earthquake
-Crunch
-Reminiscent Headbutt
-Double Headbutt

^ It has a Choice Band?

;094;
Gengar
Modest
-Sludge Bomb
-Shadow Ball
-Energy Ball/Destiny Bond
-Thunderbolt/Destiny Bond

^ Good. Destiny Bond is an option replacement for Thunderbolt or Energy Ball. Gengar is fast enough to drag a foe down when it faints.

Very Good Team, the other 3 pokemon are fine and don't need fixing. :D

if i would use destiny bond i would also want to use mean look, cuz if gengar got down low in HP and i used bond the trainer would switch pokemon.

redrunner89
8th December 2006, 10:11 PM
want part of supportive do you not understand



yeah but see scizor's types allow it to be a wall and then it can use alot of supportive moves



if i would use destiny bond i would also want to use mean look, cuz if gengar got down low in HP and i used baton the trainer would switch pokemon.

so what it can use alot of supportive moves, it can also learn alot attackive moves to. Teaching someone baton is just stupid in general

randomn00b
9th December 2006, 1:41 AM
Do you even know what a Baton Passer is? I'm assuming you've never battled a decent one.

DSDark
9th December 2006, 4:13 AM
Do you even know what a Baton Passer is? I'm assuming you've never battled a decent one.

you talking to me or red?

Commander Blitzkrieg
9th December 2006, 4:37 AM
Probably Red. R-n00b just loves trying to put all offenders down.

DSDark
9th December 2006, 4:48 AM
Probably Red. R-n00b just loves trying to put all offenders down.

i know, but whatever

DSDark
14th December 2006, 2:37 PM
sorry for the double post but i kinda need some help here because i know that my team could be better but i know how.

Commander Blitzkrieg
15th December 2006, 12:04 AM
Do I have to spell this out? More offense!!! As much as you hate a.o.a, you should at least give one pokemon all offense. I suggest doing so to Ramuparudo.

Frost Nova
15th December 2006, 12:56 AM
Sure, like dear little Pachycephalosaurus doesn't need a little speed boost to make up for his pathetic speed.

randomn00b
15th December 2006, 1:35 AM
Probably Red. R-n00b just loves trying to put all offenders down.

That's not what I meant. If you say Baton Pass is a waste of a slot, then you are truly wrong. Lemme show you an example...

Scissor@Salac Berry/Leichi Berry
Adamant
252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Substitute/Swords Dance
Agility/Swords Dance
Scissors Cross
Baton Pass

Sub, Agility/Dance, then pass if you need to. Physical Sweepers definitely benefit from boosted attack and speed. NEVER say a Baton Passer is a dead weight.

Commander Blitzkrieg
15th December 2006, 2:26 AM
-_- 1 offense move? Have you lost your mind? And baton passers are dead weight. If all they're good for is raising stats and swapping, what happens when it's your last pokemon? Say your opponent has a fire or a flyer out. What happens? You faint because it was already slammed from when it was pumping up others. Or, you will faint because Scissor Cross isn't doing jack-squat. Here's a set for a Scizor:
Iron Head
Scissor Cross
Blade Test
Aerial Ace (?)
Item-Expert Belt

Now let's take a look a scizor's base stats:
HP-70
Attack-130
Defense-100
Sp. Attack-55
Sp. Defense-80
Speed-65

As far as I can tell, that's a physical sweeper. Sweepers need all offense! How many times must I say this?!

Frost Nova
15th December 2006, 3:35 AM
You obviously haven't seen a Reversaling Scizor in action have you? Now this has tons of sweeping potential with Reversal having a base power of 200 at 1 hp.

Scizor@Liechi Berry
Adamant Nature
- Agility
- Endure
- Reversal
- Blade Test / Iron head / Swords Dance

Whatever. Your moveset gets ****ing walled by steel types, and the Reversaler / Baton Passer doesn't. It just proves my point that strategic sweeping > a.o.a. sweeping. Back to the rates.

Goukazaru@lefties
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Brick Break
- Shadow Claw
- Flare Drive

OR

Goukazaru@Choice Band
Adamant Nature
- In Fight
- Stone Edge / Rock Slide
- Shadow Claw
- Flare Drive

Ramuparudo@lefties
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide / Stone Edge
- Rock Cart
- Remniscant headbutt / Crunch

The last move is really filler, since rock + ground cover loads of stuff especially with his sky high attack.

Gengar@lefties
Timid Nature
- Sludge Bomb
- Shadow Ball
- T-Bolt
- Will-o-Wisp / Destiny Bond

Gengar's certainly fast enough to pull off a Destiny Bond. Or you could go with the Choice Lens moveset.

Gengar@lefties
Timid Nature
- Sludge Bomb
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Bomb
- T-Bolt / Energy Ball

Ah, Gengar, Gengar. You never fail to disappoint me. You can do so, so much. Or if you're going competitive, the famous McIceGar, back with a vengeance.

Gengar@lefties
Lonely Nature
- Ice Punch
- T-Bolt
- Substitute
- Focus Punch

Ice Punch + T-Bolt form a psuedo BoltBeam combo. Any special wall will be met with a swift death in the name of Focus Punch.

DSDark
16th December 2006, 4:57 AM
You obviously haven't seen a Reversaling Scizor in action have you? Now this has tons of sweeping potential with Reversal having a base power of 200 at 1 hp.

Scizor@Liechi Berry
Adamant Nature
- Agility
- Endure
- Reversal
- Blade Test / Iron head / Swords Dance

Whatever. Your moveset gets ****ing walled by steel types, and the Reversaler / Baton Passer doesn't. It just proves my point that strategic sweeping > a.o.a. sweeping. Back to the rates.

Goukazaru@lefties
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Brick Break
- Shadow Claw
- Flare Drive

OR

Goukazaru@Choice Band
Adamant Nature
- In Fight
- Stone Edge / Rock Slide
- Shadow Claw
- Flare Drive

Ramuparudo@lefties
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide / Stone Edge
- Rock Cart
- Remniscant headbutt / Crunch

The last move is really filler, since rock + ground cover loads of stuff especially with his sky high attack.

Gengar@lefties
Timid Nature
- Sludge Bomb
- Shadow Ball
- T-Bolt
- Will-o-Wisp / Destiny Bond

Gengar's certainly fast enough to pull off a Destiny Bond. Or you could go with the Choice Lens moveset.

Gengar@lefties
Timid Nature
- Sludge Bomb
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Bomb
- T-Bolt / Energy Ball

Ah, Gengar, Gengar. You never fail to disappoint me. You can do so, so much. Or if you're going competitive, the famous McIceGar, back with a vengeance.

Gengar@lefties
Lonely Nature
- Ice Punch
- T-Bolt
- Substitute
- Focus Punch

Ice Punch + T-Bolt form a psuedo BoltBeam combo. Any special wall will be met with a swift death in the name of Focus Punch.

this will be taken in to consideration

anyone this got some suggustions

Freakshow
16th December 2006, 2:08 PM
Baton Passer doesn't
Skarmory/Steelix
Gengar needs to have Hypnosis mention, as it has 70% accuracy now.

DSDark
17th December 2006, 11:16 PM
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa392.png
Goukazaru
Adamant
-Flare Drive
-In Fight
-Stone Edge
-Sword Dance

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa409.png
Rampard
Adamant
-Earthquake
-Crunch
-Reminiscent Headbutt
-Double Headbutt

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa212.png
Scizor Trait:Technician
Adamant
-Reversal
-Agility
-Scissor Cross
-Endure

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa094.png
Gengar
Modest
-Sludge Bomb
-Shadow Ball
-Energy Ball
-Thunderbolt

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa448.png
Lucario Trait: Inner Focus
Modest
-Pulse Bomb
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Dark Pulse

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa186.png
Politoed Trait :Water Absorb
Modest
-Surf
-Ice beam
-Psychic
-Hypnosis

Commander Blitzkrieg
17th December 2006, 11:39 PM
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa392.png
Goukazaru
Adamant
-Flare Drive
-In Fight
-Stone Edge
-Thunderpunch

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa409.png
Rampard
Adamant
-Earthquake
-Crunch
-Reminiscent Headbutt
-Double Headbutt

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa212.png
Scizor Trait:Technician
Adamant
-Blade Test
-Iron Head
-Scissor Cross
-Slash (?)

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa094.png
Gengar
Modest
-Sludge Bomb
-Shadow Ball
-Energy Ball
-Thunderbolt

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa448.png
Lucario Trait: Inner Focus
Modest
-Pulse Bomb
-Earthquake to help with fire
-Psychic
-Dark Pulse

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa186.png
Politoed Trait :Water Absorb
Modest
-Surf
-Ice beam
-Psychic
-Hypnosis

Suggestions in bold. Enjoy and please don't argue.

DSDark
17th December 2006, 11:42 PM
Suggestions in bold. Enjoy and please don't argue.

not thank u, if i was an offensive that would okay but i'm not

Frost Nova
17th December 2006, 11:43 PM
Started crying when Master_Gatr removed Endure.

Shadow Ball > Dark Pulse on Lucario please.

Commander Blitzkrieg
17th December 2006, 11:45 PM
Alright. Shadow Ball it is. I can work with that.

DSDark
17th December 2006, 11:48 PM
Started crying when Master_Gatr removed Endure.

Shadow Ball > Dark Pulse on Lucario please.

why shadow ball instead of Dark Pulse

Frost Nova
17th December 2006, 11:54 PM
Shadow Ball and Pulse Bomb hit everything for neutral damage. If you go Dark Pulse and Pulse Bomb, you won't be doing much to heracross and Dokurugu. You could go Dragon Pulse for the last move if you want to, since it's pretty much filler. Psychic sucks without STAB btw.

DSDark
18th December 2006, 8:49 PM
Shadow Ball and Pulse Bomb hit everything for neutral damage. If you go Dark Pulse and Pulse Bomb, you won't be doing much to heracross and Dokurugu. You could go Dragon Pulse for the last move if you want to, since it's pretty much filler. Psychic sucks without STAB btw.

Psychic is a good move, so what for Lucario

Lucario
-Pulse Bomb
-Calm Mind
-Dark Pulse
-Dragon Pulse
?????????????

sausagewalls
18th December 2006, 9:04 PM
yes i like it though maybe politoed could have dream eater, it would be strong wid the hypnosis

DSDark
18th December 2006, 9:12 PM
yes i like it though maybe politoed could have dream eater, it would be strong wid the hypnosis

i don't know about that i don't like moves that completely rely on other moves