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Aqua's Dolphin
14th December 2006, 6:03 PM
For BF:
Swampert @ focusband
impish
EQ
Surf
Icebeam
Rockslide
Rockslide/icebeam is to counter flying, grass and dragon.
Blaziken @ Lefties
Jolly
Firepunch
blazekick
substitute
Focuspunch

Sceptile @ Kings rock
Gentle
BrickBreak
Rocksmash(change to counter using BP when enough)
Leafblade
Bulletseed.
Nature changes are impossible, cause i'm too lazy, but please reply with alternative suggestions!

Reno
14th December 2006, 6:08 PM
For BF:
Swampert @ focusband chesto berry
impish
EQ
Surf
Icebeam
Rockslide rest

Blaziken @ Lefties
Jolly
Firepunch dont double up on same elemental attack rock slide
blazekick overheat/flamethrower/fire blast
substitute swords dance
Focuspunch sku uppercut

Sceptile @ Kings rock lum berry
Gentle
BrickBreak substitute
Rocksmash(change to counter using BP when enough) leech seed
Leafblade
Bulletseed. bullet seed?! thunder punch
Nature changes are impossible, cause i'm too lazy, but please reply with alternative suggestions!

10charlimt

parasectdude
14th December 2006, 6:11 PM
Go with Aldred's suggestions and use Leftovers on Pert.

Oh, right, BF. You could use a CB Blaziken (though I have no idea how good they are) and put Lefties on Pert.

Aqua's Dolphin
14th December 2006, 6:13 PM
10charlimt
I appreciate your suggestion, but most of those moves i can only get by breeding, and i'm too damn lazy.
I also used the one use sub tutor to get it on ;257; so i can't get it on ;254;.
I'm not trying to sound mean or flame-y, i do appreciate it, but i can't do this set. Sorry:(

Reno
14th December 2006, 6:25 PM
For BF:
Swampert @ focusband
impish
EQ
Surf
Icebeam
Rockslide rest level 51+ linoone pick up (i think it is 51+ anyway)

Blaziken @ Lefties
Jolly
Firepunch sky uppercut
blazekick fire blast
substitute swords dance move tutor BF
Focuspunch rock slide move tutor BF

Sceptile @ Kings rock
Gentle
BrickBreak dragon claw
Rocksmash(change to counter using BP when enough) toxic
Leafblade
Bulletseed. thunder punch move tutor BF
Nature changes are impossible, cause i'm too lazy, but please reply with alternative suggestions!


there you go

Scepgatr
14th December 2006, 6:30 PM
Some moves that you can consider for each
;254;:
Dragon Claw
Thunder Punch
Leaf Blade
Hidden Power Fire/Ice OR Toxic
;257;:
Swords Dance/Earthquake/Double Kick (break subs)
Rock Slide
Sky Uppercut
Overheat
;260;:
Curse
Earthquake
Surf/Rock Slide/Ice Beam
Rest/Counter/Protect
Edit: Beaten by Aldred FellBlade (5min?!)

Aqua's Dolphin
14th December 2006, 6:32 PM
there you go
As the title says, not to sound flamey, but i said i couldn't breed, and the only way i can get SU on ;257; is by having a combusken and leveling it up, which i cannot do. I know there is no way u couldve known this, but i have used toxic AND dragonclaw tms. I'm not trying to be rude, but i can't do that Scep set.

ludicolo_kid
14th December 2006, 6:32 PM
as its for bf how about chesto berry swampert, leftovers sceptile and shell bell blaziken?

Scepgatr
14th December 2006, 6:42 PM
As the title says, not to sound flamey, but i said i couldn't breed, and the only way i can get SU on ;257; is by having a combusken and leveling it up, which i cannot do. I know there is no way u couldve known this, but i have used toxic AND dragonclaw tms. I'm not trying to be rude, but i can't do that Scep set.
Blaziken learns Sky Uppercut at level 59, or were you trying the Level 50 option? Since you already gave Sceptile Brick Break, you won't have much for Blaziken. For Sceptile, here is a mixed sweeper:
Leaf Blade
HP Fire/Ice or Thunderpunch
Swords Dance
Brick Break

Aqua's Dolphin
15th December 2006, 6:21 PM
Should i sub any for this?
Gardevoir @ shellbell
Relaxed
Psychic
d-bond
s-ball
safeguard/Lightscreen/calm mind
Cannot breed again either, but please c+C!

Reno
15th December 2006, 6:25 PM
Should i sub any for this?
Gardevoir @ shellbell
Relaxed modest
Psychic
d-bond thunderbolt
s-ball physical move on gardevoir? no thanks. ice punch
safeguard/Lightscreen/calm mind calm mind
Cannot breed again either, but please c+C!


i suppose hypnosis could go in there over ice punch but oh well.

yazzel
15th December 2006, 6:38 PM
go with the ^^set.

Aqua's Dolphin
19th December 2006, 6:27 PM
Alternately:
Gardevoir @ lum berry
Syncronize
Calm
C.Mind
D.team
Psychic
Willowisp
Trying to make it a staller/sweeper, i know Modest would be better but i have already breeded 2 boxes. Should i swap this in for Scep?

Reno
19th December 2006, 6:33 PM
Alternately:
Gardevoir @ lum berry
Syncronize trace
Calm modest
C.Mind
D.team double team sucks. its luck based. thunderbolt here.
Psychic
Willowisp i thought you said you cant breed? will o wisp is bred on. hypnosis if you dont have will o wisp
Trying to make it a staller/sweeper, i know Modest would be better but i have already breeded 2 boxes. Should i swap this in for Scep?

get a modest ditto, give it ever stone and breed with a female ralts. 50% chance of getting modest. also, sceptile rocks. i prefer sceptile, but gardevoir is still quite good.

Aqua's Dolphin
19th December 2006, 6:36 PM
get a modest ditto, give it ever stone and breed with a female ralts. 50% chance of getting modest. also, sceptile rocks. i prefer sceptile, but gardevoir is still quite good.
I got W'o'W cause my friend traded me it.

cybermew
19th December 2006, 6:36 PM
^Don't have trace,Urgggh traunt!

Reno
19th December 2006, 6:40 PM
have trace! shedinja! wonder gaurd! and some other good abilities...eg...chloryphyll on a sunnybeamer. and water absorb. and volt absorb. i have been informed syncronize doesnt work for every status, which makes it worse than trace IMO.

Aqua's Dolphin
19th December 2006, 6:42 PM
have trace! shedinja! wonder gaurd! and some other good abilities...eg...chloryphyll on a sunnybeamer. and water absorb. and volt absorb. i have been informed syncronize doesnt work for every status, which makes it worse than trace IMO.
Ah, i get you. but most BF abilities are *Shudders* pickup, run away. I appreciate it though, are my team ideas getting better?

Reno
19th December 2006, 6:44 PM
what is your team now? and true about pick up and stuff, so go with syncronize for BF.

Aqua's Dolphin
19th December 2006, 6:48 PM
what is your team now? and true about pick up and stuff, so go with syncronize for BF.
As stated b4, but Swampy is ACTUALLY calm, sorry. Should I use Saanaito, i have a p.sweep(blaze) sp.sweep and double sponge (swampy, good defences) So should i use a Sp.sweep/staller(Saanaito) or a random filler (Scep, that's all it is, basically)

Reno
19th December 2006, 6:55 PM
you should have for the BF


a phsycial sweeper eg:
metagross
blaziken
salamence
slaking
tyranitar
dragonite


a special sweeper eg:
sceptile
alakazam
gardevoir
starmie
lapras
gengar
latios
raikou


now is a choice

a speical wall eg:
regice
blissey
snorlax

or

a phsyical wall eg:
regirock
steelix
skamory
cloyster

or

some kind of tank/bulky water eg:
dusclops
registeel
milotic
swampert
suicine

Aqua's Dolphin
19th December 2006, 6:59 PM
Physical: Blaze
Special:Swampy
Physical and Special wall: Swampy(it works)
So Saanaito or Scep?

Reno
19th December 2006, 7:01 PM
i would go gardevoir ( i assume that is what saanitaio is) with

gardevoir@leftovers
modest/ spec atk+ nature
-calm mind
-thunderbolt
-psychic
-will o wisp


thats the best set gardevoir can get IMO

Aqua's Dolphin
19th December 2006, 7:08 PM
Yes, saanaito is gardy. i really like that suggestion, but my Blaze has leftovers, can't use it twice. Shell bell? and will Tpunch do instead of Tbolt(can't afford tbolt)

Reno
19th December 2006, 7:43 PM
bolt is preferred, but punch will do for now. shell bell is fine on garevoir.