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Serebii
15th December 2006, 12:07 PM
http://www.serebii.net/anime/NextOn/480.jpgContest Battle! Rival Confrontation!

It's time for the contest. With Ash entering with his Aipom, Hikari faces her toughest challenge as her first Contest, and with her rival already being a contest winner, will Dawn experience Beginner's Luck or will she fall short of Victory?

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Discuss

Silent Conversation
15th December 2006, 12:55 PM
I've seen the pictures... the episode looks really cool. I wish I could've seen it.

But... haha!! Ash loses in the quarter - finals!! Haha!

Maestro Kinético
15th December 2006, 2:16 PM
It looks great! At last a good episode with drama and good battles. The final escene is lovely, I love Nozomi. I hope the season continues like this, a great improvement.

Crystal Mewtwo
15th December 2006, 2:25 PM
I have seen the episode. Nozomi is a very good battler, she is much better than Ash. She kicked his add hard. Also I have a feeling she doesn't like Ash so much. Nozomi is a great person, I love her personality and deep voice. She is very kind and didn't have troubles with winning.

I'm glad Hikari and Jessie won battles. Jessie isn't a noob anymore and she knows how to run a battle. Hikari is good too but she needs to train more.

Good episode^^

Amakusa Ryu
15th December 2006, 4:42 PM
I have seen the episode. Nozomi is a very good battler, she is much better than Ash. She kicked his add hard. Also I have a feeling she doesn't like Ash so much. Nozomi is a great person, I love her personality and deep voice. She is very kind and didn't have troubles with winning.

I'm glad Hikari and Jessie won battles. Jessie isn't a noob anymore and she knows how to run a battle. Hikari is good too but she needs to train more.

Good episode^^

I agree with you at all.

The interesting part of the episode, for me (and some people) is after the Nozomi/Ash battle, when Nozomi tells Ash to stop with contests (which I agree), but Ash replied that it is because Aipom wanted to enter it. So, Nozomi tells Ash that Hikari can raise Aipom if it likes contests.
The question is: Could Ash give Aipom to Hikari to become her pokemon and a contest one?

CyberCubed
15th December 2006, 4:56 PM
That's actually pretty interesting.

Maybe Ash will give Aipom to Hikari after all. For some reason, I much prefer Aipom with Hikari than him.

Celebitwo
15th December 2006, 4:56 PM
That is not going to happen, maybe Ash will lend Aipom to Hikari but he will not give Aipom away. Plus I dont think that Ash will stop doing contests as he got given all the 'contest equipment' in the last episode. Personally I dont think that his battle style suits the contests so he wont do well in them

pokeboy sarab
15th December 2006, 5:02 PM
i totally agree with nozomi that ash should not battle in contests he lost like anything to nyaruma BTW what attack is it using with its paw

Maestro Kinético
15th December 2006, 5:07 PM
I think that he will at least lend her Aipom for the contests, and he will get out of them. That was the point of that Ash-Nozomi scene.

CyberCubed
15th December 2006, 5:09 PM
That is not going to happen, maybe Ash will lend Aipom to Hikari but he will not give Aipom away. Plus I dont think that Ash will stop doing contests as he got given all the 'contest equipment' in the last episode. Personally I dont think that his battle style suits the contests so he wont do well in them

Who cares if he got the Contest case? It's made pretty clear at the end that he only entered for Aipom, not because he wanted to. Since Nozomi made that comment about Aipom being good with Hikari, it makes much more sense for him to let her use it.

MasterJedi
15th December 2006, 5:09 PM
Only reason Ash shouldn't enter contests is because it's not like real battling. Meaning you don't actually have to KO the other trainers Pokemon. BAsed on the pictures it looked like Aipom could have continued that battle for a lot longer then it did but the time ran out (and there's the point thing).

Crystal Mewtwo
15th December 2006, 5:50 PM
Every person in the team should have own goal.

Ash - Gym Battles
Hikari- Contests
Brock - breeding.

Ash shouldn't do two things. I know, Contests are fun but its Hikari's role.
Ash should stick with Gyms. I know Aipom loves Contests but Ash doesn't have to do everything what his pokemon wants.

Pokemon Fan
15th December 2006, 5:52 PM
I have seen the episode. Nozomi is a very good battler, she is much better than Ash. She kicked his add hard. Also I have a feeling she doesn't like Ash so much. Nozomi is a great person, I love her personality and deep voice. She is very kind and didn't have troubles with winning.
She won by having more points and time running out. I wouldn't call that "much better than Ash."

Indeed, according to another poster she actually told Ash that if the battle had continued ASH would have won.

Not to mention the whole thing about "Ash shouldn't be in contests" that Nozomi said came before the battle and she no longer thought that way afterward as far as I can tell.

What is with the obsession of so many people here to make characters be mean to each other, turn reasonable losses into "this trainer sucks" and especially wanting Ash to be some idiot newbie who doesn't have any skill. Its not like Ash never loses, so people should stop acting offended when he's shown as a strong trainer.

And I wish people would stop making pointless posts based on nothing. Its hard to believe some of the people posting here even saw pictures much less the episode.

MechaBulba
15th December 2006, 6:00 PM
I hope ASH KEEPS Aipom as what would be the point in giving it to someone you hang out with all the time. You migth aswell just lend it to her.

Unless she catches something Ash wants and they trade.

Amakusa Ryu
15th December 2006, 6:39 PM
That is not going to happen, maybe Ash will lend Aipom to Hikari but he will not give Aipom away. Plus I dont think that Ash will stop doing contests as he got given all the 'contest equipment' in the last episode. Personally I dont think that his battle style suits the contests so he wont do well in them

But look at this, in the beginning of AG, May also receives a badge case, but she never used it. The same will happen to Ash and his ribbon case.

John's Knight
15th December 2006, 7:50 PM
Seen the pics. Good episode by the looks of it. Nyaruma using Shadow Claw is pwnage. Still, I continue hating Nyaruma. =/

About the Aipom and Hiraki 'situation'...I seriously hope not. If Ash caught an Aipom, he should keep it. *prepares for Primeape example*

Almighty Zard
15th December 2006, 7:58 PM
If hikari was to use Aipom period that would make her lower than May for not using her own pokemon, jessie is from TR she can do whatever she wants since she's never gotten far with coordinating(maybe this once) anyway, but Hikari should prove she doesn't need to rely on others to accomplish her goal like May did.

jaredstar
15th December 2006, 8:16 PM
maybe i am a fool for doing so but until i see or hear concrete evidence that ash is no longer going to take part in contest i will continue my support it.


that said where are people getting the idea that a person should only do one thing. it seems to me that if ash's dream is to be a pokemon master he should be well versed in all aspects of pokemon battling and training be it for contest or gym runs.

Sushi
15th December 2006, 8:28 PM
I dislike the idea of Hikari and Aipom as well. I wouldn't exactly be furious about it, but it just doesn't seem right to me. Especially since Aipom was so eager to remeet Ash and get him to capture her before and during the Grand Festival.

Anyways, Nozomi being so annoyed by Ash entering the Contest actually made me like her more - the opposite of what I expected.

I dunno, she just seemed horribly bland to me in DP011 and nearly bored me to tears with her oh-so-calm voice and the oh-so-calm attitude with this oh-so-flawless appeal...this time, she actually gets some personality! It was really interesting to see how passionate she is about Contests, since she only scoffed at Ash because she had the impression that Ash was ignoring the difference between Gym & Contest Battles. And it was nice of the script writer to show her realize her mistake without having her directly apologize to him.

On a side note, Ash is just so cute. He wasn't bothered at all when Nozomi got angry at him - gotta love the way he said, "Never mind!" after she was so grumpy at him. And after his loss against her, he just remained nice and wished her luck for the upcoming battles. =D

Hikari's mother is extremely strict in my opinion. But then again, whatever she tells her daughter, it seems reasonable and...intelligent, to say it in a stupid way (...???).
- Hikari shouldn't apologize for her loss to her mother, but rather to her Pokémon
- Stop crying and instead think what she had done wrong in this Contest and what she could improve on
- Talk to her new friends instead of calling her mother to constantly inform her about losses/wins

Pleased by the fact that Jessie got so far in the Contest. I almost burst with laughter at Masukippa's "WOAAAAAH!" when Nyarumaa first hit it with Shadow Claw though.

Korobooshi Kojiro
15th December 2006, 8:44 PM
Masukippa is simply awesome, even when he loses.

Magical Needle Smash
15th December 2006, 9:01 PM
Satoshi sure isn't doing so well lately. He won over the new trainer Naoshi way back when, and he beat Musashi at that fake Gym a couple episodes ago, but that's about it so far, isn't it? He's been beaten by Shinji twice now (accepting their first battle as a loss since Pikachu was the one that fell first), and now this against Nozomi.

It's not like he should never lose, but they can at least make it look better. He wasn't able to couter or dodge a single one of Nozomi's attacks (except for the one time he used Double Team), while she countered every one of his (aside from the very first Swift). He had his usual hot-blooded passion going, and he was able to rally Aipom even when the battle was looking bad, but that was about it. He wasn't able to come up with anything that looked very good. Maybe Nozomi just really is that good, being able to run circles around someone that conquered that Battle Frontier, but probably not.

Korobooshi Kojiro
15th December 2006, 9:06 PM
I don't mind Ash giving Hikari Aipom (or Eteboth if it's that by then), we won't lose it, and a open space opens for Ash, meaning if the writers do the boring fire/water, atleast they will have a space open for a different type.

jaredstar
15th December 2006, 9:09 PM
this happens everytime ash enters a new region. until ash gets a few more new pokemon or brings in his old ones he will struggle along. i have no doubt that some time before his time in shinou is over he will beat shinji and maybe nozomi (if he continues in contest)

Korobooshi Kojiro
15th December 2006, 9:11 PM
He ain't continuing in Contest.

jaredstar
15th December 2006, 9:14 PM
i have yet to see or hear any evidence pointing that way. the only thing i have heard in that regard is that nozomi told ash to quit contest before their battle

BattleFranky~40
15th December 2006, 9:36 PM
i have yet to see or hear any evidence pointing that way. the only thing i have heard in that regard is that nozomi told ash to quit contest before their battle
Satoshi said so himself. Do you need more evidence than that?


i totally agree with nozomi that ash should not battle in contests he lost like anything to nyaruma BTW what attack is it using with its paw
Nozomi shouts out 'Sadoru Craw!'. I wonder what that makes that move?

Anyways, I enjoyed it. Especially Brain-damaged Masukippa. Kii!

S.Suikun
15th December 2006, 9:45 PM
Anyways, I enjoyed it. Especially Brain-damaged Masukippa. Kii!
It was like a tumor was pulsating from its head.

jaredstar
15th December 2006, 9:46 PM
Satoshi said so himself. Do you need more evidence than that?


Nozomi shouts out 'Sadoru Craw!'. I wonder what that makes that move?

Anyways, I enjoyed it. Especially Brain-damaged Masukippa. Kii!


when was this

jaredstar
15th December 2006, 9:53 PM
Satoshi said so himself. Do you need more evidence than that?


Nozomi shouts out 'Sadoru Craw!'. I wonder what that makes that move?

Anyways, I enjoyed it. Especially Brain-damaged Masukippa. Kii!


when was this

BattleFranky~40
15th December 2006, 10:13 PM
when was this

During the episode, possibly? Who woulda guessed.


It was like a tumor was pulsating from its head.
Meh.

jaredstar
15th December 2006, 10:20 PM
i meant when in the ep franky

BattleFranky~40
15th December 2006, 10:23 PM
i meant when in the ep franky

After their battle.

S_P
15th December 2006, 10:24 PM
Hm, there was quite the opportunity to have Musashi win this one, but I guess the writers really won't have her win contests. Then again, Masukippa being Grass instead of Normal allowed Shadow Claw to lead to the win.

Mmm I liked the Jouto battle music they put there with Nyaruma against Aipom. Interesting how Shadow Claw was used in numerous ways against the Normal types (shrug then again contest battling builds on things like that). Although it was obvious that Nyaruma would win, it wasn't that imbalanced (unlike say, Milotic which doesn't lose contests at all). I did not expect the episode to run as a Nyaruma winning spree though, though showcasing the eventual winner works, and it is indeed a series of reasonable wins (but again it seemed like a nice opportunity for Masukippa to shine). More like, see cat beat monkey, see cat beat bunny, see cat beat ... levitating Dionaea muscipula (er I mean Venus Flytrap).

The writers didn't use opportunity cost in this manner (er no, that's not the right word, but basically the scenario where given characters battle out before the feature character. An example would be Haruka's first contest win, where Shuu was defeated by Grace to prevent a Haruka vs Shuu where Haruka wouldn't win, at all. Thus in this contest, no match ups between Satoshi, Hikari, or Musashi themselves, rather Nozomi just demolishes 2/3 of them and effectively gains victory.)

What I don't see is how Hikari will be a victor against Nozomi (if ever), aside from having more points left by the end of the 5 minutes. Well, no crushing victory occurred at least (okay so Satoshi got crushed worse than Musashi in a way since Aipom's attacks got rendered useless whereas Musashi was effectively countered by the Shadow Claw that couldn't hit Normal types.)

Though, isn't doing straight focus punches in a contest battle, strategically, really horrible?

Wow, big heads near the end, really big heads.

Geodude
15th December 2006, 10:26 PM
Hardly, S_P, considering that Aipom's only damaging attacks are Swift and Focus Punch. There's only so much that can be done with those.

BattleFranky~40
15th December 2006, 10:27 PM
Though, isn't doing straight focus punches in a contest battle, strategically, really horrible?

We already know that Satoshi's style doesn't suit contests.

Ash6K
15th December 2006, 11:35 PM
Like how Jessie managed to make it to the finals...with Masukippa!! Aipom put up a decent fight, here's hoping it learns a new attack though. I mean Focus Punch and Swift aren't enough attacks for it right?

I like how Nazomi wasn't as mean as I expected her to be when she told Ash not to do contests, and Hikari battling Nazomi and establishing their friendly rivalry is a plus too.

One question though: Do the pokemon trainers keep the stickers for their pokemon?

Weav-vile
15th December 2006, 11:39 PM
Just saw the episode, and I must say it really surprised me... Ash losing to Nozomi was priceless, I didn't expect him to. Talking about her, she made me like her even more now that she showed some personality... She just rocks, the best rival ever. Oh, and you crazy AG fanatics don't come to tell me Harley or Drew were the best, 'cause they weren't. Nobody can surpass Nozomi, nobody... In just two episodes she proved she's fantastic, oh yeeeep.
About Hikari loss... Nothing new here, not really. And actually I liked she calling her mom after losing... I love this mommy's girl she is, hell yeah. =P
And Jesse! Awww, she almost did it. Haha, of course we all know she'll never reach the winning of a contest, she proved she can do it fine, at least. And Masukippa's so funny, only its crazy expression make its scenes awesome... ^^
5 stars for me, another awesome DP episode!
Btw, could anyone tell me why were James and Meowth looking up to Jesse in a part? I didn't get that. Thx :p

BattleFranky~40
15th December 2006, 11:57 PM
She looked like a holy figure (what with the light Wobbuffet was manning), so they bowed.

Korobooshi Kojiro
16th December 2006, 12:08 AM
WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A Shadow Claw can't hit a normal type, but a Shadow Ball can?

0.o

Masukippa sounded like R2 when he got slammed back and went "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAA!". Darn, here comes another 5 personalities, the thing already is mentally unstable...

BattleFranky~40
16th December 2006, 12:10 AM
WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A Shadow Claw can't hit a normal type, but a Shadow Ball can?

0.o

Masukippa sounded like R2 when he got slammed back and went "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAA!". Darn, here comes another 5 personalities, the thing already is mentally unstable...

Masukippa is the Sensui of Pokemon.

Weav-vile
16th December 2006, 12:12 AM
Thx, Franky ;-)

About the ghost-typed-attack hiting a normal poké... Strange. But don't forget, anime =/= games...

Pokemon Fan
16th December 2006, 2:58 AM
that said where are people getting the idea that a person should only do one thing. it seems to me that if ash's dream is to be a pokemon master he should be well versed in all aspects of pokemon battling and training be it for contest or gym runs.
Ash has proven he is decent in contests, so there is no need for him to keep doing them. Overall gym battles are better for learning to fight in many different situations and environments (as the environments in contest battles are usually the same).


Though, isn't doing straight focus punches in a contest battle, strategically, really horrible?
Well Focus Punch is a lot easier to use in the anime than the games, and given that Nozomi remarked on how Ash would have won if the battle continued (with that Focus Punch about to hit Nyaramu in the face), I suspect Ash was counting on the Normal type weakness (which has been acknowledged in the anime with Snorlax, while at the same time making Snorlax not be weak to Fighting because of its immense endurance) to Fighting type moves like Focus Punch to OHKO Nyaramu.


Wow, big heads near the end, really big heads.
I noticed that too, it was freakish...

As for how Hikari could reasonably come to beat Nozomi at some point, its just as reasonable as May beating Drew. Drew beat Ash just as Nozomi did. In both cases Ash was using a relatively new pokemon while they were using their most experienced and best, which contributed to the wins. Indeed, its even more acceptable for Hikari to catch up with Nozomi because unlike Drew's Roselia, Nozomi's Nyaramu didn't actually knock Ash's pokemon out and won on a technicality.

Not that I'm saying Nozomi is necessarily weaker than Drew (well she is weaker than Drew was by the end of Battle Frontier, but we're comparing how they were when we first met them), but you see my point.

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And so after all these seasons of having Ghost attacks work fine on Normal types they decided to at long last to incorporate that game element? I would have preferred they just kept Ghost moves working on every type for the sake of consistency, after all why should energy attacks like that not work on Normals? Normal not working on Ghost makes sense at least since the Ghost types can phase out their dimensions to become incorporeal.

ghost master
16th December 2006, 3:55 AM
I don't mind Ash giving Hikari Aipom (or Eteboth if it's that by then), we won't lose it, and a open space opens for Ash, meaning if the writers do the boring fire/water, atleast they will have a space open for a different type.
No, its like cheating. The point is to raise your own pokemon and has been something from the start. Thus why they make Jessie always lose and it would be wrong for a main character to do so.

Anyway, honestly I still don't see why Nozomi is liked so much. I haven't seen anything that strikes (to me) interesting. Sorry weav-vile but Shinji and May's rivals were far more interesting IMO.

CyberCubed
16th December 2006, 4:01 AM
Anyway, honestly I still don't see why Nozomi is liked so much. I haven't seen anything that strikes (to me) interesting.

Since she seems to be a lesbian, people like her. It doesn't get more complicated than that.

Although I have to say, May had better rivals. At least at this point, Drew/Harley > Nozomi.

Gravy
16th December 2006, 1:40 PM
Oh-kay. I'd like to ask a question if I may: To anyone out there capable of reading Japanese, could they do me a favour by reading the end credits to find out who voices Maskippa? Because that (obviously high-larious) 'UWAAAAAA!!!' it let out after being pounded by Nyarmar's Shadow Claw, sounded an awful lot like Ueda. It may not have been as nasally, but it sounded suspiciously like his token scream for Coloredman.EXE...

Anyways, this was much better than last week's snooze fest, and if I may say so, I'm surprised that it wasn't a chore to look at. Usually i can't stand Shimura and her borderline mediocrity, but she did a pretty decent job here. Of course, it wasn't the best ever, but it was good for her standard at least.
But animation aside, it was nicely written too. Nozomi, for example, was a slight step up from what she was last week and that was good while it lasted. Although having her revert back to that awful nicey-nice rival was a disappointment, it's cool to see that she does have a personality flaw that makes her interesting. In other words, her hasty nature. She seems to be quick to judge people, so I'm hoping they actually bring this aspect of her personality forward in future episodes. Sushi pretty much covered the rest already~
But I’m still not impressed with Hikari. I guess the scene with her mother was ok, but it was inferior to Haruka’s emotional scene in her first contest. I know comparing these two is Cybercubed’s job and all, but Hikari is so freaking bland right now that it’s hard for me not to look back at how they handled things for Haruka. So, uhh, appologies for that I guess :p

-Aqua/Magma Battle Theme for the mega win. It's been way too long since that one was played. But, of course they had to be jerks about it and cut it short for some of that damn movie 8 stuff they love so much. I'll give 'em props for the (remixed?!) G/S wild pokémon and Regi themes though.

-BARRY NATION.

-The battles were pretty fast paced this time around, with some creative strategies involved. Although, these mainly came from Nyarmar and it's curled tail.

-I liked how Swift didn't explode on contact here. Watching Nyarmar being pelted with the stars made for a nice change of pace. I also liked how Shimura had Aipom use the attack too. Not one big swipe of the tail like usual, but instead having the purple monkey swing it's hand of *** origin like a pendulum.
I've commented on Nyarmar's spring Iron Tail already. But for those who didn't catch it the first time, I thought it was neat.
Shadow claw looked really nice. And having Nyarmar extend it's real claws to utilise the technique was a nice touch.
Giving Fury Swipes the ~Ultimate White Glow of Omnipotent Justice~ was a stupid decision. The same goes for Mimirol's Dizzy Punch.

Korobooshi Kojiro
16th December 2006, 2:54 PM
That was the DP Wild Pokemon Battle Theme, irc.

Anyway, it seems if Ueda does do Masukippa, he finnaly decided on a voice too use. Now if only the animators could decide how to animate it....


Giving Fury Swipes the ~Ultimate White Glow of Omnipotent Justice~ was a stupid decision. The same goes for Mimirol's Dizzy Punch.
I'm worried the glow is some kind of bizarre censorship....

GreenKirby
16th December 2006, 5:27 PM
Wow. Nozomi is much better than Drew.

Feity
16th December 2006, 5:29 PM
What were Hikari and Nozomi saying during this week's sunset talk?

I'm getting a bit bored with Aipom's attacks, he needs some new, interesting ones, but overall this was a good episode.

CyberCubed
16th December 2006, 5:29 PM
Wow. Nozomi is much better than Drew.

How so? Are you still carrying on your whiny anti-May and Drew bias to the D/P series?

Super-Staff
16th December 2006, 5:43 PM
Wow. Nozomi is much better than Drew.

How is Nozomi better than Drew? Really, I'm curious to know the answer to that.

BattleFranky~40
16th December 2006, 5:45 PM
How is Nozomi better than Drew? Really, I'm curious to know the answer to that.

Nozomi is a lesbian. Shuu is just a bishounen.

as lesbian> bishounen, Nozomi> Shuu

Super-Staff
16th December 2006, 5:56 PM
Nozomi is a lesbian. Shuu is just a bishounen.

as lesbian> bishounen, Nozomi> Shuu

Right! Silly me, I almost forgot that! Lesbians are automatically better than all the other characters in anime.

Extra brownie points are given to lesbians with tight, skimpy clothes. May could count as one after her encounter with Kelly. ;D

CyberCubed
16th December 2006, 5:58 PM
Right! Silly me, I almost forgot that! Lesbians are automatically better than all the other characters in anime.

Extra brownie points are given to lesbians with tight, skimpy clothes. May could count as one after her encounter with Kelly. ;D

Of course. Then again May is likely to give Brianna some pity loving because she won't be able to get Drew.

Super-Staff
16th December 2006, 6:10 PM
Of course. Then again May is likely to give Brianna some pity loving because she won't be able to get Drew.

Pity lovin' is better than no lovin', especially when it's between two cute girls.

Magical Needle Smash
16th December 2006, 9:32 PM
Oh-kay. I'd like to ask a question if I may: To anyone out there capable of reading Japanese, could they do me a favour by reading the end credits to find out who voices Maskippa? Because that (obviously high-larious) 'UWAAAAAA!!!' it let out after being pounded by Nyarmar's Shadow Claw, sounded an awful lot like Ueda. It may not have been as nasally, but it sounded suspiciously like his token scream for Coloredman.EXE...

Going by the credits, it was someone named Sakaguchi Daisuke. Looking him up, it seems he also does Bonsly and Ariados (Advance Generation), among others.

Feity
16th December 2006, 9:39 PM
Going by the credits, it was someone named Sakaguchi Daisuke. Looking him up, it seems he also does Bonsly and Ariados (Advance Generation), among others....eww, Bonsly? How could such a person create such a drastic level of difference of voice goodness? (wow that was horribly worded)

ShadowDragon16
17th December 2006, 1:43 AM
I hope Satoshi keeps that Pokeball design on Aipom's Ball.

Weav-vile
17th December 2006, 1:54 AM
How is Nozomi better than Drew? Really, I'm curious to know the answer to that.

Oh, c'mon... Look at both of them. All that you needed to do, huh? :cool:
LOL, just kidding...
In my opinion, Nozomi's more, uh... Sensitive, mature, kewl, clever, (...)!
And her pokémon just rocks... Seriously, she has a Misdreavus! =D
That's better than anything else...
And her Nyaruma rocks too, it's so kwaii!
And that's that, matter of likes =P

CyberCubed
17th December 2006, 1:57 AM
Nozomi had two episodes so far.

Drew had two full regions of character development and interesting battles.

To compare them now is silly. Wait till we see how Nozomi progresses.

Weav-vile
17th December 2006, 2:08 AM
No, it's not silly... Comparation's something that will always exist, Cyber body. And I like Nozomi more than I like Drew... 'Cause the ONLY thing I liked on him was that, in the beginning, he didn't like May much. After some time, I started to dislike him over and over... He's just a cocky kid, and I don't care about him.

CyberCubed
17th December 2006, 2:42 AM
No, it's not silly... Comparation's something that will always exist, Cyber body. And I like Nozomi more than I like Drew... 'Cause the ONLY thing I liked on him was that, in the beginning, he didn't like May much. After some time, I started to dislike him over and over... He's just a cocky kid, and I don't care about him.

The more you post the more obvious it is you barely watched AG at all.

In any case, Nozomi is a fine character but she's nothing to get excited about so far. I'll wait for the lesbianism to truly kick in and to see how her attitude continues in the next Contest eps.

HoennMaster
17th December 2006, 3:48 AM
Drew/Harley > Nozomi

She is better just because she is a lesbian and yelled at Ash, please.

Red Ryu
17th December 2006, 3:55 AM
She seems more like a tom-boy than a lesbian. People seriously jumped on the, "She's a lesbian bandwagon" a little too early.

BattleFranky~40
17th December 2006, 3:56 AM
That's because it's obvious.

CyberCubed
17th December 2006, 3:59 AM
She seems more like a tom-boy than a lesbian. People seriously jumped on the, "She's a lesbian bandwagon" a little too early.

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Nozomi is doing the same thing here that Drew did to May.

Just take away the roses and replace them with sunglasses.

Outlawz
17th December 2006, 4:07 AM
That's because it's obvious.

Some people have a hard time seeing that.

eonteam123456
17th December 2006, 2:40 PM
Wow does mimiroru know mega punch?

Weav-vile
17th December 2006, 5:38 PM
The more you post the more obvious it is you barely watched AG at all.

Of course... I don't even know what does Pokémon mean. :rolleyes:
I've already told ya I watched the whole AG series... Guess I get a right to dislike any character I want to, huh?

BattleFranky~40
17th December 2006, 5:42 PM
Of course... I don't even know what does Pokémon mean. :rolleyes:
I've already told ya I watched the whole AG series... Guess I get a right to dislike any character I want to, huh?

Shuu rarely acted like that after Hoenn. Makes people think you haven't watched the episodes.

Weav-vile
17th December 2006, 5:45 PM
Shuu rarely acted like that after Hoenn. Makes people think you haven't watched the episodes.

But I talked about the very begin of the series... I did say he changed after that. ;)

CyberCubed
17th December 2006, 5:49 PM
But I talked about the very begin of the series... I did say he changed after that. ;)

Except for the fact that Drew didn't *hate* May in the beginning of Hoenn either. He acted like a jerk toward her, but he never disliked her.

Putting on a jerk persona is what wins you cute girls, that's why Drew acted like a jerk toward her until she started blushing over him later on.

Girls like guys who play hard to get and act like a jerk to them, while nice guys finish last. Why do you think May got a crush on Drew instead of Ash?

Geodude
17th December 2006, 5:55 PM
Wow does mimiroru know mega punch?

No, Dizzy Punch.

Weav-vile
17th December 2006, 6:01 PM
The way he used to act made me feel like he disliked her. In the dub, here in the country I live, he even called her 'loser' when they first met...
Later on, he kept ofensing her all the time, over n' over... But then he started to admire her, and they became more close... Then I started to dislike him too, 'cause he didn't dislike her anymore, and I don't like that girl who took Misty's glory. :D

CyberCubed
17th December 2006, 6:21 PM
Later on, he kept ofensing her all the time, over n' over... But then he started to admire her, and they became more close... Then I started to dislike him too, 'cause he didn't dislike her anymore, and I don't like that girl who took Misty's glory. :D

Aw, you're upset that they actually introduced a heroine and got rid of Misty?

Misty never had any "glory" because she was never meant to be important in the series. It's your own fault for thinking Misty was some important character and spent the entire AG era on some false sense of hope she would return. It's quite repulsive.

All your anti-AG bias comes because the writers got rid of precious Misty. It's quite pathetic.

Weav-vile
17th December 2006, 6:31 PM
Aw, you're upset that they actually introduced a heroine and got rid of Misty?

Heroine? LMAO, you're way too funny, guy! Have you think in working as a clown, by the way?
And I'm not anymore, now your *precious* May was replaced, didn't her? :rolleyes:
Pretty awesome, oh yep.


Misty never had any "glory" because she was never meant to be important in the series. It's your own fault for thinking Misty was some important character and spent the entire AG era on some false sense of hope she would return. It's quite repulsive.

You're just stupid in saying Misty never had a glory. She has had her glory moments, and I believe there's a pretty amount of people who like her that would be offended by what you just said. A person who says that must be a lunatic... I don't have a better classification for your species.
And I always thought Misty would return, yeah... And she can return one day, anything can happen, duhhh.
Just because you're a too-long-time fan of the anime, it doesn't mean you know all of it and can tell us everything will/would happen, genius.


All your anti-AG bias comes because the writers got rid of precious Misty. It's quite pathetic.

Of course it does not!
AG was very boring in Hoenn, nothing exciting happened, nothing; not even the contests. I prefer Misty's moments in Johto...
Only Battle Frontier helped AG get better, 'cause Hoenn + May + boring lil' brother didn't help much; actually it only f*c*ed up with the series for me.

Geodude
17th December 2006, 8:28 PM
OK, so exactly what does yet another pointless Misty vs May debate have to do with this episode?

Ash6K
17th December 2006, 8:47 PM
^ Uh...Geodude is right you know, this is Shinou we're talking about. Which leaves me to say this: I think the contests in Shinou are pretty cool after seeing this episode!

I mean I kinda like it how the battle points are formed into a cirlce since it knida looked stylish (as how Super Contests in the games are supposed to be). Nozomi has that "Drew" stare towards Hikari so you know what that means...

As I'v said before, Aipom put up a pretty good fight! If there was no time limit, Aipom could've had a chance to win, but of course, Nozomi had to take the victory. Masukipp+Jessie=finals made me happy too!

tipnottippy
17th December 2006, 8:54 PM
Okay after watching the episode, now I'm *really* curious as to how far the show people are willing to take the Nozomi/Hikari dynamic. (I also posted the following under spoiler in the Appealshipping thread.)

Right before Hikari and Nozomi battle:
Hikari: Atashi, tanoshimi de tanoshimi de shouganai no. (I can't help feeling this is so fun/exciting.)
Nozomi: Eh?
Hikari: Datte, hajimete no taikai de anata no you na Coordinator to batoru dekirundemo. (Because I'm able to battle with a Coordinator like you even though it's my first Contest.)
Nozomi: Kawaii koto iunda ne. (You say such cute things.)

Then again, right at the end before Nozomi leaves:
Hikari: Dattara hitotsu iitai koto ga aru no. (There's one thing I want to tell you.)
Nozomi: Huh?
Hikari: Atashi mada mada kakkowarui kedo itsuka anata yori suteki ni Pokemon wo miseru Coordinator ni naru. Datte anata ni makete monosugo~ku kuyashindamo! (I'm still pretty uncool right now but someday I'll become a Coordinator who can show off my Pokemon even more amazingly than you can. That's why it's sooo awful to lose to you!)
Nozomi: *laughs* Aikawarazu kawaii koto iunda ne. (Always saying such cute things.)

And uh, yeah, I did the translations myself using no dictionaries or anything, but I think they're not too off. I get the feeling this "kawaii koto iunda ne" is like Nozomi's equivalent of Drew throwing roses to May. XD

Weav-vile
17th December 2006, 8:55 PM
OK, so exactly what does yet another pointless Misty vs May debate have to do with this episode?

Nothing...
It's just that I said I prefer Nozomi over Drew/Harley and some crazy AG fanatics came to ask why would she be better than the others... Which is really pointless, since each one got his/her own opinion. The problem's that some people here don't accept other's opinion, and think they are absolutely right in their empty thoughts, you know... So debates like that come around! =/
Sorry for going so out of the topic.
About the episode, I've already said: Fantastic; and Nozomi rocks <3

tipnottippy
17th December 2006, 10:25 PM
Okay, I also discovered something else while watching the episode:
They made a really big point about the difference between Contest battling style and normal Pokemon battling (i.e. Gym battling) style.

The most obvious example of this was Nozomi telling her Nyaruma to use Shadow Claw to block/deflect/cancel out attacks instead of using it to directly attack Pokemon that it can't affect. The first judge pointed out that Nozomi's unconventional use of the Shadow Claw attack exemplified the fact that Contest battles are about showing off your Pokemon's moves, especially using your opponents moves to better show off your own moves. Gym Battles, on the other hand are much more about doing damage to the opponent and taking them out, which was the strategy that Ash was aiming for, since the one thing that Contest battles have in common with Gym battles is that you can make the opponent lose by fainting their Pokemon.

It's true that Nozomi did tell Ash that she probably would have lost if that Focus Punch had connected, but immediately afterwards she added that Ash's battling style is suited to Gym Battles and not Contests. Ash acknowledged this, saying that after trying it out for himself in this Contest he realizes that he totally forgot about showing off his Pokemon's moves, which led to Hikari mentioning that he only entered because Aipom wanted to, and that led Nozomi to suggest that Ash lend Aipom to Hikari. And that question was left hanging!

Weav-vile
17th December 2006, 10:35 PM
Okay after watching the episode, now I'm *really* curious as to how far the show people are willing to take the Nozomi/Hikari dynamic. (I also posted the following under spoiler in the Appealshipping thread.)

Right before Hikari and Nozomi battle:
Hikari: Atashi, tanoshimi de tanoshimi de shouganai no. (I can't help feeling this is so fun/exciting.)
Nozomi: Eh?
Hikari: Datte, hajimete no taikai de anata no you na Coordinator to batoru dekirundemo. (Because I'm able to battle with a Coordinator like you even though it's my first Contest.)
Nozomi: Kawaii koto iunda ne. (You say such cute things.)

Then again, right at the end before Nozomi leaves:
Hikari: Dattara hitotsu iitai koto ga aru no. (There's one thing I want to tell you.)
Nozomi: Huh?
Hikari: Atashi mada mada kakkowarui kedo itsuka anata yori suteki ni Pokemon wo miseru Coordinator ni naru. Datte anata ni makete monosugo~ku kuyashindamo! (I'm still pretty uncool right now but someday I'll become a Coordinator who can show off my Pokemon even more amazingly than you can. That's why it's sooo awful to lose to you!)
Nozomi: *laughs* Aikawarazu kawaii koto iunda ne. (Always saying such cute things.)

And uh, yeah, I did the translations myself using no dictionaries or anything, but I think they're not too off. I get the feeling this "kawaii koto iunda ne" is like Nozomi's equivalent of Drew throwing roses to May. XD

Goshhh, if your translations are really right, I guess Hikari and Nozomi are already lovers! xD
LOL! Ok, I kid...
But, uhhh, I really think these two are gonna have something deep, write that! :p

Red Ryu
18th December 2006, 1:19 AM
Based on translations and from watching the episode I still think that assuming Lesbianism is a little too early. To me it just seems like people just twisted what happened to assume that it's going to be a lesbian relationship. To me it seems more like they are rivals than lovers. So she seems like Drew that still doesn't prove a thing about a relationship and more about a rivalry.

BattleFranky~40
18th December 2006, 1:20 AM
Based on translations and from watching the episode I still think that assuming Lesbianism is a little too early. To me it just seems like people just twisted what happened to assume that it's going to be a lesbian relationship. To me it seems more like they are rivals than lovers. So she seems like Drew that still doesn't prove a thing about a relationship and more about a rivalry.

You mean, like with every shipping? OMG NO WAI!

CyberCubed
18th December 2006, 2:35 AM
Based on translations and from watching the episode I still think that assuming Lesbianism is a little too early. To me it just seems like people just twisted what happened to assume that it's going to be a lesbian relationship. To me it seems more like they are rivals than lovers. So she seems like Drew that still doesn't prove a thing about a relationship and more about a rivalry.

I don't know.

I remained skeptical of Contestshipping throughout most of Hoenn, but it became pretty obvious by the end anyway.

All it started with was Drew giving her a rose and some sly flirting, and I honestly didn't think that was going to lead to anything but I was proven wrong.

Honestly, Hikari/Nozomi starting out subtle is exactly the same way May/Drew started out. Who knows how far they'll go with it.

uber gon
18th December 2006, 3:30 AM
You guys do know that Nozomi could just having a Drew-ish personality of treating Hikari as a newbie, right?

Anyone hear find it weird that Masukippa can beat a Rhydon, but not any of the main characters' pokémon?

SOS! Its Not Healthy..
18th December 2006, 5:37 AM
Seen the episode and it was better than I expected. I liked how they developed more with Nozomi's personality. The type to judge people, and assumes things. (Reminds me a whole lot of people in here) But I was amazed that Jessie got to the finals, that surprised me.

The battles weren't that bad. The first battle, Nozomi vs. Ash, it proved Ash is not cut out to be in contests since he was more worried of taking down of his opponent, but he managed to surprise Nozomi that he was a better battler than expected. Nozomi just took advantage and win barely if that if Focus Punch hit which some of yous mentioned. She looked like she was shaking at the last few seconds.

The second battle Hikari vs. Nozomi was the best. Hikari is not a bad battler herself, and that was smart to frezze the field which later Nozomi took advanatge of. I noticed that Hikari kept saying about Shadow Claw is like a Ghost attack, it won't work, but it look like she learned her lesson that she wasn't meant to hit the Pokemon. I laughed how Minimoru jumping on the cat, (I keep forgetting the name) but that was funny.


Right before Hikari and Nozomi battle:
Hikari: Atashi, tanoshimi de tanoshimi de shouganai no. (I can't help feeling this is so fun/exciting.)
Nozomi: Eh?
Hikari: Datte, hajimete no taikai de anata no you na Coordinator to batoru dekirundemo. (Because I'm able to battle with a Coordinator like you even though it's my first Contest.)
Nozomi: Kawaii koto iunda ne. (You say such cute things.)

Then again, right at the end before Nozomi leaves:
Hikari: Dattara hitotsu iitai koto ga aru no. (There's one thing I want to tell you.)
Nozomi: Huh?
Hikari: Atashi mada mada kakkowarui kedo itsuka anata yori suteki ni Pokemon wo miseru Coordinator ni naru. Datte anata ni makete monosugo~ku kuyashindamo! (I'm still pretty uncool right now but someday I'll become a Coordinator who can show off my Pokemon even more amazingly than you can. That's why it's sooo awful to lose to you!)
Nozomi: *laughs* Aikawarazu kawaii koto iunda ne. (Always saying such cute things.)

I noticed about Nozomi, she kept saying "such cute things" or something, (not an expert of Japanese), but the way they interacted did not give much a vibe they are lesbians which everyone got so obsessed on lately. But the way Nozomi is only interested on Hikari does bring of the question though since she liked her a lot, but not with Ash which later was taken care. But the way the two are, its going to be a friendly rivalry.

CyberCubed
18th December 2006, 5:51 AM
Well...I finally got to see the ep. Most has been covered already so I won't repeat what's been said. (mostly by Gravy)

Nozomi's cat thing is friggin vicious. Daaaaaaamn.

I dislike the fact that Mimirol is such a good battler already. It has Ice beam, can battle really well, and gave Nozomi's strongest (?) Pokemon a run for her money.

Did the writers remember that Hikari is supposed to be a beginning coordinator and that her Mimirol didn't have a real battle before this Contest? Why is Hikari battling as well as May from Battle Frontier?

I don't mean to rag on Hikari, but if you compare her battles in her first Contest compared to May's first Contest battle, then you can easily tell which girl has more Mary Sue-dom injected into their bloodstream.

And for that matter, they both battled their rivals, and Nozomi's points were fairly close to Hikari's when the match ended which means Hikari put up a decent fight. Eh...I suppose Pochama will be in the battle next Contest, which she'll probably win, but I'd rather not see her be so competent so soon.

Didn't people claim May got somewhat bland in BF because she was so competent? If so, why do people honestly want to see Hikari battle like an experienced coordiantor already? It takes out the fun of character development.

BattleFranky~40
18th December 2006, 6:18 AM
I don't mean to rag on Hikari
Yeah, I'm sure.

Darkness Angel
18th December 2006, 7:17 AM
Did they mention what town the next contest was taking place in?

CyberCubed
18th December 2006, 5:16 PM
Did they mention what town the next contest was taking place in?

I don't think so. This isn't Battle Frontier, the writers don't have to rush the Contests close together.

uber gon
18th December 2006, 6:55 PM
If any of Ash's pokémon learn Shadow Claw sometime, I'll die laughing, especially if it's Aipom.

Geodude
18th December 2006, 10:14 PM
I don't think she was as competent as you say she was, CyberCubed. She lost in the second round out of 4, which means she didn't even make the semifinals. Her first opponent may have been a rookie as well for all we know. And although she can hold her own so far, she has a lot to learn about strategy. This is evidenced by her assuming that Nozomi was using Shadow Claw as a direct attack, and the attack would therefore not work, when that was never the case.

Mythic Mist
19th December 2006, 3:49 AM
Great episode. The music was fantastic.

uber gon
19th December 2006, 5:00 PM
At least d/p contests might be diiferent. In this case, the new rival wins the contest she's introduced.

cassius335
19th December 2006, 7:03 PM
If any of Ash's pokémon learn Shadow Claw sometime, I'll die laughing, especially if it's Aipom.

It's on the TM list. Though I'll be interested to see if Aipom learns Screech and/or Agility before Double Attack. Either of them would help her out greatly.

CyberCubed
19th December 2006, 8:48 PM
At least d/p contests might be diiferent. In this case, the new rival wins the contest she's introduced.

We already know how D/P contests work. Its shown in this episode. They're 95% the same as the AG Contests, with only minor differences.

DarkWobbuffet
30th December 2006, 6:31 PM
Did the writers remember that Hikari is supposed to be a beginning coordinator and that her Mimirol didn't have a real battle before this Contest? Why is Hikari battling as well as May from Battle Frontier?

I guess it's because unlike Haruka, Hikari has known about contests for a while before she even became a trainer, probably having and seen many coordinator matches by her mother, so she had a better idea of how to do it.

I got nothing against Mimirol at the moment, but if I see her later on using Pound or Double Attack on a Yonowaaru I might think differently...

Aipom was awesome as usual, I have no complaints. He put up a good fight and was cute doing it. ^ ^

I am a bit annoyed by how Shinou contests aren't like they are in the games, but it could just be this one time. Perhapes we'll start seeing Super Contest style contests later on when Hikari starts winning ribbons.

Mahum6789
31st December 2006, 12:36 AM
is there video link to the episode?

Juputoru
14th January 2007, 4:15 PM
Finally saw this(that makes me only HOW far behind, especially since I haven't actually seen the FIRST half of this contest?). Nyarma's "dodge EVERYTHING with that tail of its or deflect it with Shadow Claw!" bit was interesting at first, but it got old after the first battle with said bit. I find it a TAD hard to believe that Ash would keep using (dynamic? focus?)punch when it kept being COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE; after the second or third time it was either dodged or used against him, you'd think that the guy, who's been battling for ages, would notice a pattern.

Although TR's reactions to Jessie losing after making it to the finals and doing fairly well were classic.

freedom-123
18th April 2007, 9:55 AM
IMO diamond and pearl episodes is kinda giving a bad name for pokemon, the producers are running out of ideas, you can see this through the pokemon design, they are getting worse and worse (except the legends), also IMO the earlier they stop the better.

but then again...i guess...ash hasnt won any leagues yet...so i guess the producers probably gonna drag more until her wins one...if he ever...

Geodude
19th April 2007, 2:45 AM
that Ash would keep using (dynamic? focus?)punch
Kiai panchi is Focus Punch, which is what Aipom knows. Bakurestu panchi would be Dynamicpunch.

WaterDragon trainer
22nd June 2007, 1:02 AM
This episode was pretty good. IMO, Zoey’s kinda wrong. One can participate in both contests and gyms if they want. Ash shouldn’t have acted so surprised. It’s only common sense that when an opponent stands his/her ground, it usually means he/she is preparing to counteract against you and NOT laying back as Ash said. It was cool to see a Shadow Claw in the anime. Ash, Dawn, and Zoey were all pretty good.

G4Pokefan
22nd June 2007, 1:13 AM
Nice episode, as was the last! I'm really enjoying the use of the Seal Balls in the anime. Makes me wanna use them more in the game, since i'm not.

One of Sinnoh's attacks made a debut in this ep. Shadow Claw.

I still have mixed feelings about the CGI animation in the show. Although I like the use of it, to me, it kinda down-grades the anticipation on seeing the upcoming movies that also have CGI animation.

jolteonjak
22nd June 2007, 1:49 AM
Was Dawn's mother rather *****y to Dawn in the original episode? Her attitude almost ruined this episode for me. My gosh, it was her first contest! I can understand if this were her 4th.

The episode was pretty good aside from Dawn's mother. Glameow's tail got pretty creative when it battled Ash and Dawn. I thought for sure Jessie was having Carnivine use Power Whip during battle.

I hope Ash does enter another battle with Aipom before it may evolve (does that need to be in spoilers since so far Aipom hasn't evolved yet?).

Anko
22nd June 2007, 2:11 AM
This episode was cool. Glameow use of Shadow claw impressed me. Buneary jumping on Glameow's back like a trampoline got a laugh out of me.

Medea
22nd June 2007, 10:55 AM
Okay now...

-Not much do I ever hear that normal types aren't affected by ghost attacks, but good to keep that in mind. I just remember that there would be no mentioning in the 4Kids dub to my memory.
-In one sense, I do agree with what Zoey said to Ash about contest and gym battles. But on the other hand, I started to think about Nando (from a couple of episodes back). Then again, I never liked the idea of Ash competing in contests and I never will.
-Surprised by Jessie making it all the way to the final round without having to battle a "twerp". But her costume still makes me ill inside! Makes me miss her Jessebella costume from Battle Frontier.
-Dawn's mother...Holy crap! Usually from the mother's of this show, they would be a little more supportive, but God damn! Okay, I understood because if you noticed at the beginning of Ash and May's journey, they barely called home. Just within the last two episodes, Dawn called her mother for every little thing. Well, I guess you have to cut the embilical cord somewhere in life (perhaps at age 10). But Johanna surprised the hell out of me!
-*sighs* When I saw Zoey leaving and saying goodbye to Dawn, made me think of you know who and you know what! Drew & May! Genius!
-And finally, Appealshipping! God bless it!

Reign G
22nd June 2007, 11:05 AM
Pretty good. I like Shadow Claw's effect. Personally, I expected it to be like all other physical attacks, only with a black glow instead of white.

Teh Goodzors:
-Zoey getting PO'd at Ash because he does Gyms but entered this one Contest. Wonder what she'd do if she met Nando?
-Wow. Jesse made it all the way to the finals. Shweet.
-Aipom FTW! Definately my second favorite Main-Character-Pokemon, ahead of Piplup in third and behind Croagunk in first!

The Badzors:
-As Medea said, Dawn's mom was just plain rude. I mean, you can't go relying on people, of course. But still, Dawn's only 10, she didn't need to be like that!
-Ah...Lollipop-Hair didn't say her catchphrase. Instead a simple "There's that phrase again"
-GAAAH! STOP WITH THE "REMARKABLE!"
-I still hate Jesse's outfit. Does she change by the next Contest? Please say yes...

;453;Over and Out!;453;

Blaziryu
22nd June 2007, 1:49 PM
I didn't like this episode, heck I don't even like PKMN contest episodes at all. I hope Ash learn his lessons, which don't enter any PMN contests at all & just leave for Dawn or any future female traveling buddy. Zoey looks & sounds like a lesbian.

Wynaut?
22nd June 2007, 3:10 PM
Not bad, good contest ep to come off the back of the last one. :)

I'm not much of a Zoey fan to be honest, especially after her reaction to Ash thinking about doing both contests and gyms.

I also hope Ash doesn't give Aipom to Dawn. Aipom's probably my fave Pokémon in the group at the moment, and I just don't think it'll get as much action as it does with Ash.

Deception
22nd June 2007, 3:25 PM
I didn't like this episode, heck I don't even like PKMN contest episodes at all. I hope Ash learn his lessons, which don't enter any PMN contests at all & just leave for Dawn or any future female traveling buddy. Zoey looks & sounds like a lesbian.
Zoey is no lesbian. Not one time in both Jubilife contest episodes has she shown lesbian behavior. Please explain why you think she is lesbian.

Back to the episode, Glameow was surprisingly powerful and creative with it's tail. It took a lot of punishment from Buneary's bouncing.

Reign G
22nd June 2007, 11:55 PM
I didn't like this episode, heck I don't even like PKMN contest episodes at all. I hope Ash learn his lessons, which don't enter any PMN contests at all & just leave for Dawn or any future female traveling buddy. Zoey looks & sounds like a lesbian.

Wait, so any girl that chooses to be a tomboy is immediantly a lesbian? Boy, that sure is generalising, isn't it? Does that make Misty a lesbian, too? She was a tomboy.

Please explain with some good reasoning why she was 'oh so obviously' a lesbian.

;453;Over and Out!;453;

AshfanGirl20
23rd June 2007, 12:07 AM
The episode was enjoyable, I liked the fights. I didn't like Zoey yelling at Ash about how he can't enter in both, he should be able to enter both for what he wants no matter what any one thinks. Zoey control every one with a whipe and make them do what they want to do. And no I don't want Aipom with Dawn, that was very rude of Zoey to suggest. I am really hoping she gets betean by some one who likes both than that would show her. Anyways other than that I really liked it. I'm really enjoying this season, my favorite thus far.

jolteonjak
23rd June 2007, 2:53 AM
I am really hoping she gets betean by some one who likes both than that would show her.

That would be Nando...

RageKaiser
23rd June 2007, 3:02 AM
That would be Nando...

That would be full of win.
Zoey getting Pwned by Nando, Heh.

Venusaur Master
23rd June 2007, 9:44 AM
Great episode , Dawn's battle seemed to me to be the best. Its a pity we didnt see more battles

ShadowDragon16
23rd June 2007, 9:56 PM
Did anybody notice Glameow kept saying "Nyruma"? It seems they english writers didn't change Glameows voice.

Dax
23rd June 2007, 10:03 PM
Did anybody notice Glameow kept saying "Nyruma"? It seems they english writers didn't change Glameows voice.

Yeah, I noticed that too. In one scene the cat clearly said Nyaruma. I love Glameow's japanese.



Buneary is so good in this episode. When he used Bounce in Glameow's back she was funny and powerful. I love her. :D

I loved the creativity in the battles, especially how they used Glameow's tail.

cassius335
24th June 2007, 1:27 AM
That would be full of win.
Zoey getting Pwned by Nando, Heh.

Gets my vote.

dman_dustin
24th June 2007, 7:16 AM
Aipom does need some new moves, Aipom's true ability was held back through the lack of moves. Zoey's Glameow just seemed better suited to contests than Aipom was at the time. Other than that it was an okay episode.

Based on what I've seen Aipom is more of a gym battler

Surreal
24th June 2007, 9:29 AM
I hated how good of a battler Buneary was. It hasn't even been in a real battle yet and can stop an Iron tail with its ears. I think Dawn should have had more trouble battling too. I still like this episode, but I think that Ash should have done better then Dawn and battled Jessie first. I'm Kind of getting repetitive now so I'll shutup.

uncutpokemon
24th June 2007, 9:59 PM
this episode was pretty good, the Japanese version was at least. the dub only kept in 3 pieces of music during the entire episode, and this is an important episode! if i was in charge of PUSA i would be quoting Donal Trump right around now to whoever was the one who thought that 3 pieces of music in a contest battle is ok! PUSA is really pissing me off now.

Geodude
25th June 2007, 2:07 AM
You really should lay off about the music. It's obvious you're pretty much the only one who's THAT annoyed over it, and now you're just annoying everyone else. Can't you make some positive contributions for once?

I hated how good of a battler Buneary was. It hasn't even been in a real battle yet and can stop an Iron tail with its ears. I think Dawn should have had more trouble battling too.
I don't believe this. They lost and you're still complaining? How would you have reacted if they had won? -_-

Why should Dawn have had trouble battling? It's already been very well established that for a rookie, she knows what she's doing. If she had more trouble than she did, it would go against her already established character.

uber gon
25th June 2007, 9:41 AM
Well, Bounce was a surprising attack.

Dattebayo
25th June 2007, 3:49 PM
I like the part when Dawn cried. I always combined that scene with a funny Sasuke picture on the internet, but my brother, King_Dialga, told me not to do it again and I refused.

King_Dialga
27th June 2007, 4:06 PM
Stop it please. I'll give you candy.

King_Dialga
27th June 2007, 4:06 PM
Sorry.......

Momogirl
27th June 2007, 9:49 PM
I really liked this ep. I love how Zoey treats Dawn with MUCH more respect at first than Drew showed May XD I like it when the rivals are friendly.

Pearl's Perap
4th July 2007, 2:17 AM
Great episode, for one, contest episodes always are and two, Zoey is pure amazing, I love her character so far and she has only been shown twice.

The battles were impressive, Jessie's moreso than anything, in my eyes, I just thought Carnivine went really well for some reason.

One thing that is rubbing me up the wrong way is Dawn's phonecalls to her mother constantly, telling her not to worry and then her mother telling her that when she is told not to worry, she worries the most, we must have seen her say that atleast four times now.

All in all, great episode, Appealshipping is looking good from the word go, in my eyes.

8/10

npdargy312
18th July 2007, 9:04 AM
I really like Zoey as a rival to Dawn because it is in contrast to Drew being mean to May at first.

Rebeccag
30th October 2007, 9:50 PM
Zoey is cool and im glad she won.
Dawns phonecall to her mother was intresting because johanna was basically saying you need to learn to stand on your own two feet and dont rely on her so often

palkia1
4th March 2008, 8:25 AM
This was a really good episode though i didn't like Ash in a contest. He should just stick to gyms. Zoe was absolutely awesome and so was her Glameow.

Interesting mother, Dawn's. Most mothers would be frantically worried about their children when they're ten years old, with just a small penguin and a rabbit to protect themselves, but Dawn's mother seemed to want Dawn to piss off and stop calling her, even though i know it was about standing on your own two feet. Just a little aggressive. I really hate Dawn's mother though. That stupid "worry" phrase is so stupid and pathetic. Otherwise a good episode. A great new rival. I'm glad Zoe won

bhrettzerda053
31st March 2008, 2:14 PM
I didn't know the dub title of this episode. It might be "Stand Up Sit Down" or "Arrival of a Rival!".

wobbanut
22nd August 2008, 2:34 AM
Though I like Zoey, I do have an issue with her dashing Ash's contest hopes so harshly (at least it seemed harsh to me). Yes, Ash is better as a battler than a coordinator, but he was doing pretty decent. He certainly learned a lot about contests from attending so many in Hoenn and Kanto, and he did pretty well in the appeals round in both contests he participated in. Just because he didn't quite measure up in the battling part of the contest doesn't mean that he shouldn't try every now and then. Zoey was being too hard on him in that matter. At least Ash gets to try again in the Wallace Cup.

Otherwise, the episode is good.

(s.i.e)
11th March 2009, 11:56 AM
the episode was really nice if you ask me, Dawn's battle was very nice best. too bad there wern't more battles like that one.

milenadrg
11th April 2009, 12:25 PM
Great episode, but only thing I don't like about it is the fact Dawn lost her first Contest. She should win it(unlike May)...:(

Littlemyuu
27th April 2009, 3:57 PM
It was a nice episode, its sad that Dawn lost but she will make it

S.Suikun
15th May 2009, 8:24 PM
Yeah, I missed a day. Cram it, all zero of you who read these re-reviews, as I was moving back home from university and hardly had time to comment on the new episode. I'm still in the midst of unpacking, so I'm gonna keep this one a tad shorter than the norm.

I think that as a whole, AG's contests were superior to DP's, but this remains one of Diamind & Pearl's better contests. For one, the battle direction is great. Both Satoshi's and Hikari's matches are exciting to watch and epicly close, with nothing about the scoring seeming unfair. Obviously Hikari was never going to win, and they would never throw a ribbon in Satoshi's face since it's not his arc, so it was all handled well.

This is, however, the episode where Nozomi first shows her horns. It is unfortunate that her awkward resentment toward the gym/contest combination was never explained (and later dropped altogether thanks to it going nowhere), as it makes her anger even less rational here and in DP049. The fan hatred had not really picked up by this point, but it was certainly a place to fall back on when it came to character criticism regarding nosiness. Another character that rubbed me the wrong way here was Hikari's mother, whose criticism I didn't mind, but came off as forced. But while this may be a rant, it's more of an aside when looking at the overall episode, which was very good and continues to hold up in the grand scheme of DP contests.

B+

^ASH^
15th May 2009, 9:24 PM
her awkward resentment toward the gym/contest combination was never explained

It was explained in DP126
And finally someone bothered to translate it:
When they were little Suzuna decided to do battles and become a Champion, while Nozomi wanted to do Contests and become a Top Coordinator. They promised each other to only follow one path and come out on top for each. So she looked down on people who did both because to her it just looked like they were fooling around.


(and later dropped altogether thanks to it going nowhere

I guess we're supposed to see it as "resolved" rather then "dropped" since she learned she was wrong after her battles with Ash and Nando and then later at Wallace Cup admitted she was wrong and apologized to Ash
And then we got said explanation
I know it wasn't such a great way to "resolve" this but... it did get some kind of explanation (Paul's reason for his own problem isn't much more logical either) and resolution (Paul's problem is still ongoing so I guess they realized they better resolve Zoey's problem early since unlike Paul's problem, it wasn't exciting and would just make her boring if repeated again and again until Sinnoh is over)

catzisconfus
18th August 2009, 5:42 PM
some good battles, too bad dawn lost :(

Lorde
8th December 2009, 11:42 AM
Zoey versus Dawn, so interesting. Loved how Dawn lost her first contest like May lost hers back in Slateport City. It would have been odd for Dawn to win her first contest so easily so I'm all for her losing. It was fun but I agree that Buneary was too strong considering it had been caught just a few episodes prior to the contest. Overall though, a decent episode. 7/10.

Ash-kid
8th December 2009, 12:08 PM
It was a great contest.
i loved the battle between Ash and Zoey, it was the best.
And i was little sad when Dawn lost but it was worth for her.

KGB13
15th January 2010, 3:52 AM
The battle between Ash and Zoey was SOOO good. If it weren't for the time running out Aipom would have knocked out Glameow for sure. The Zoey vs. Dawn battle was great too but not as intense and I was little disappointed that Dawn lost. Zoey is an amazing coordinator and I can't wait to see how her skills have improved at the GF.

Willow's Tara
31st May 2010, 7:27 AM
Zoey was a bit harsh on Ash, I like her but in this episode she was a bit, well annoying it's like mind your own business, it's none of your business if Ash wants to compete. What was her reaction to Nando who decided to do them both? (I don't remember if I seen them meet yet)

The battle between Ash and Zoey were pretty good, Glameow was quite good (You can't tell me she's never been in contests before, come to think of it her and Paul don't seem/aren't beginners in their things they do.) and strong with Shadow Claw. Ash might have actually won if it wasn't for the time limit though.

I thought Jessie was trying to disguise herself in that costume, so why in the heck is she sitting right next to James who is in TR costume. (And isn't that costume mostly the same that Jessie wore previously which they discovered who she was in Kanto).
You know when your Pokemon gets defeated by a single TR Pokemon then it isn't very strong is it, because TR's Pokemon always almost win (Unless they first appear on their teams they might get a couple wins).

The battle between Dawn and Zoey wasn't too bad either, I wonder if Zoey went into the Pokemon League how far would she get with that Glameow and others?

Poor Dawn losing her first contest, as I said in another contest episode she is a very different character from May who won half of her contests while Dawn lost half of hers (Yet both still made it to the GF).
I think Johanna was too harsh on her daughter, last time I checked daughters can talk to their mother about these kind of stuff, I don't think she really knows how to be a mother that well. Nor does she seem to even like being bothered (No wonder why she let Dawn go out on her own).

The battle between Zoey and Jessie was a bit too quick, and I doubt that if Dawn and Ash couldn't defeat her that Jessie could really do it.

wind21
20th June 2010, 9:16 PM
Skipping a fair amount of reviews to come here. Jumping from dp 6 to dp 12 (wow). But many of the episodes in between are pretty generic to me, and I don't have too many memorable scenes in them. dp 7, 9, 10 focused on Dawn and her team, with Piplup receiving an episode, Dawn catching Buneary, and then an episode where Dawn learned to connect with her pokemon. dp 8 was Brock catching Croagunk. So since dp 6 and his battle with Paul, Ash has taken a bit of a backseat in the story.

I had a review for dp 11, but unfortunately lost it (still think I can fit what I want to in here, so no problem). dp 11 was the beginning of this contest, and introduced Zoey as the cool, in control rival for Dawn (who was being "annoyingly" nervous last episode). Ash is also competing in this contest, so he does have something meaningful to do.

And he lets that be known rather quickly in this episode as he says he's aiming to win this contest and then his 1st gym badge, getting a derisive rebuke from Zoey. This is probably a good thing from Zoey's viewpoint, maybe, since it gives her some sort of character besides perfect coordinator. But the problem, or better expression may be tension killer, is that Ash doesn't really get bothered by that at all. Even when he loses to Zoey, he takes it pretty much in stride. Zoey compliments Ash's skill as a trainer right after the battle as she realizes how close she was to losing, and Ash laughs a bit sheepishly at getting a compliment (I'm sure there haven't been too many of those). The thing is, Ash understood from the beginning that his place was gym battles, and he needed to be persuaded by Dawn, Aipom, and Brock to take part in the contest in the first place. This is more Zoey's problem, and it's hard to appreciate that on a first viewing, since Zoey is so new. Even knowing Zoey's result at the grand festival and trying to understand her character as a result of that, it's still maybe pretty tough. Zoey and Ash have some interesting interactions in this series, in that Zoey freely gives her opinion of Ash while Ash doesn't seem to mind too much.

Oh yeah, this is a contest! What about Dawn? Well, predictably she loses to Zoey in the semis. I said Dawn was "annoyingly" insecure this contest, and she is. Despite her show of nerves, she expects to win, and it's hard to sympathize with that. But that does change in future contests, and that storyline is one of the real masterful ones in the general Sinnoh plot.

Finally, Zoey faces Jessie in the final. If you're watching this series for the first time, this is a bit of a filler final; there's no way Zoey can lose. And maybe in retrospect, this is still a bit of a filler final; but you definitely take Jessie much more seriously. Regardless, Zoey wins the contest for her 2nd ribbon.

saar
7th July 2010, 4:48 PM
Dawn's first contest was great. She was amazing, even VS Zoey, but too much inexperienced. I think they should have showed her battle VS Bidoof in the quarter final, because we haven't seen her actually winning a battle.

~Platinum~
21st July 2010, 10:53 PM
Not bad for the first contest of the saga. I didn't expect Dawn to win, but I did expect Ash to do better than get beaten by a Glameow, especially with a SE Focus Punch attack. Jessie making it to the finals was also unexpected, but this was actually a rather good twist, showing that she's become a more experienced trainer. And that scene where Zoey tells Ash that he can't compete in contests and gym battles, I think she needs to go tell that to Nando.

Lance The Champ
28th November 2010, 9:41 AM
After seeing Zoey's first contest battle I knew she was gonna make it into the semi final of the grand festival at least

Lance The Champ
28th November 2010, 9:43 AM
After seeing Zoey's first contest battle I knew she was gonna make it into the semi final of the grand festival at least

G50
27th April 2011, 5:21 AM
This episode was cool. Not Surprisingly, Dawn and Ash both lose in the contest. Glameow's Shadow Claw attack is very cool. Interesting how Jessie won a battle in this contest. Didn't really like how Zoey told Ash off about doing contests, and how he shouldn't do them anymore. That was very rude. Ash came very close to defeating Glameow with Aipom, but ran out of time. Zoey vs Dawn was very cool, even though Dawn lost. It's cool to see Dawn's Mother's strict side when talking to Dawn.

70/100

BurningSociety12345543210
16th June 2012, 7:13 PM
Ash was horrible in this contest. Zoey had 3x as many points as him when it ended. Maybe Zoey was right and he should stick with gym battles only. xD

Dawn+Serena Fan
29th August 2012, 12:43 AM
I liked the battles between Ash and Zoey and Dawn and Zoey, they were intense and entertaining to watch. I give this episode a 9/10.

Royal_Qeca
29th August 2012, 4:29 PM
I think Johanna was too harsh on her daughter, last time I checked daughters can talk to their mother about these kind of stuff, I don't think she really knows how to be a mother that well. Nor does she seem to even like being bothered (No wonder why she let Dawn go out on her own).

I agree with you. I remember watching this episode and thinking the same way....

Caseydia
26th September 2012, 5:24 PM
Skipping a fair amount of reviews to come here. Jumping from dp 6 to dp 12 (wow). But many of the episodes in between are pretty generic to me, and I don't have too many memorable scenes in them. dp 7, 9, 10 focused on Dawn and her team, with Piplup receiving an episode, Dawn catching Buneary, and then an episode where Dawn learned to connect with her pokemon. dp 8 was Brock catching Croagunk. So since dp 6 and his battle with Paul, Ash has taken a bit of a backseat in the story.

I had a review for dp 11, but unfortunately lost it (still think I can fit what I want to in here, so no problem). dp 11 was the beginning of this contest, and introduced Zoey as the cool, in control rival for Dawn (who was being "annoyingly" nervous last episode). Ash is also competing in this contest, so he does have something meaningful to do.

And he lets that be known rather quickly in this episode as he says he's aiming to win this contest and then his 1st gym badge, getting a derisive rebuke from Zoey. This is probably a good thing from Zoey's viewpoint, maybe, since it gives her some sort of character besides perfect coordinator. But the problem, or better expression may be tension killer, is that Ash doesn't really get bothered by that at all. Even when he loses to Zoey, he takes it pretty much in stride. Zoey compliments Ash's skill as a trainer right after the battle as she realizes how close she was to losing, and Ash laughs a bit sheepishly at getting a compliment (I'm sure there haven't been too many of those). The thing is, Ash understood from the beginning that his place was gym battles, and he needed to be persuaded by Dawn, Aipom, and Brock to take part in the contest in the first place. This is more Zoey's problem, and it's hard to appreciate that on a first viewing, since Zoey is so new. Even knowing Zoey's result at the grand festival and trying to understand her character as a result of that, it's still maybe pretty tough. Zoey and Ash have some interesting interactions in this series, in that Zoey freely gives her opinion of Ash while Ash doesn't seem to mind too much.

Oh yeah, this is a contest! What about Dawn? Well, predictably she loses to Zoey in the semis. I said Dawn was "annoyingly" insecure this contest, and she is. Despite her show of nerves, she expects to win, and it's hard to sympathize with that. But that does change in future contests, and that storyline is one of the real masterful ones in the general Sinnoh plot.

Finally, Zoey faces Jessie in the final. If you're watching this series for the first time, this is a bit of a filler final; there's no way Zoey can lose. And maybe in retrospect, this is still a bit of a filler final; but you definitely take Jessie much more seriously. Regardless, Zoey wins the contest for her 2nd ribbon.

This is why I love DP Ash so much. He is more humble and disregards some of the crap that comes out of some characters. But all in all it would have been nice for Aipom to have got that win and to have Zoey lose on screen.