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Dave30904
18th December 2006, 9:16 PM
Hello everyone I'm new to the forums. I just got back into my Pokemon Sapphire game and I'm trying to make a perfect team for going through the game. I cannot trade so that leaves Alakazam out of the picture even though he is a great pokemon. I only have one GBA and Pokemon Sapphire.

So far these are the pokemon I have in mind:

Swampert @Leftovers
Relaxed
-Icebeam (Since I can't breed Curse untill later in the game.)
-Rest
-Surf
-Earthquake

Slaking @Choice Band
Adamant
-Hyper Beam
-Earthquake
-Shadowball
-Return

Gardevoir @Leftovers or Lum Berry
Modest
-Hypnosis
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic
-Calm mind

Skarmory @Leftovers
Impish
-Spikes
-Toxic
-Whirlwind
-Drill Peck

Regice @Leftovers
Calm
-Thunderwave
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Explosion

Can I even get a Choice Band in Sapphire?

BigCharizard
18th December 2006, 9:30 PM
You have a chance of getting a CB at the Battle Tower, but that isn't until after the Elite Four.

Dave30904
18th December 2006, 9:59 PM
I like your Trainer Card. What could I use to fill the 6th slot in my team?

Pika Egg
18th December 2006, 10:12 PM
Whirlwind + Drill Peck isn't possible on Skarmory IIRC...you need Roar instead.

Rest over Explosion on Regice though, especially a Calm one.

looks good otherwise.

Icosahedron
18th December 2006, 11:55 PM
Since Thunder Wave is only available in Emerald for a lot of Pokemon, use Toxic instead on Regice. Also, I like Focus Punch/Aerial Ace/Fire Blast over Hyper Beam on Slaking. Return functions well enough as a STAB move.

For a last Pokemon, might I suggest Ninjask, Salamence, or Metagross?

Ninjask @ Leftovers/Lum Berry/Focus Band/Brightpowder
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Satk)
Trait: Speed Boost
- Swords Dance
- Baton Pass
- Silver Wind
- Protect/Agility

Salamence @ Leftovers/Lum Berry/Choice Band
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Satk)
Trait: Intimidate
- Dragon Dance/Aerial Ace/Double-edge
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Flamethrower/Fire Blast

Metagross @ Leftovers/Choice Band
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Satk)
Trait: Clear Body
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake
- Agility/Sludge Bomb
- Shadow Ball/Sludge Bomb

BigCharizard
19th December 2006, 12:02 AM
You could possibly use Gorebyss to support the rest of your team:

Gorebyss
Quiet Nature
Surf
Baton Pass
Agility/Amnesia/Iron Defense
Agility/Amnesia/Iron Defense

UltimateSerebiiGuy2
19th December 2006, 12:09 AM
I suggest you get a fire type, any strong with is preferable.

I suggest Camerupt.

Camerupt@Leftovers
Any nature (I don't study natures)
Eruption
Thunder
Earthquake
Anything else

BigCharizard
19th December 2006, 12:14 AM
I suggest you get a fire type, any strong with is preferable.

I suggest Camerupt.

Camerupt@Leftovers
Any nature (I don't study natures)
Eruption
Thunder
Earthquake
Anything else

Eww. That is a horrible suggestion. Camerupt is slow as ****.

Pika Egg
19th December 2006, 12:18 AM
I suggest you get a fire type, any strong with is preferable.

I suggest Camerupt.

Camerupt@Leftovers
Any nature (I don't study natures)
Eruption
Thunder
Earthquake
Anything else


a) Camerupt doesn't learn Thunder, go for Rock Slide
b) Eruption is useless given Camerupt's speed..use Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Overheat
c) Explosion is fun for the last move

I say go for Salamence... you need another fast pokemon and preferably not one weak to Fire (since you already have Skarmory and Regice)

Dave30904
19th December 2006, 12:48 AM
Swampert @Leftovers
Relaxed
-Icebeam (Since I can't breed Curse untill later in the game.)
-Rest
-Surf
-Earthquake

Slaking @Choice Band
Adamant
-Hyper Beam
-Earthquake
-Shadowball
-Return

Gardevoir @Leftovers or Lum Berry
Modest
-Hypnosis
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic
-Calm mind

Skarmory @Leftovers
Impish
-Spikes
-Toxic
-Whirlwind
-Drill Peck

Regice @Leftovers
Calm
-Thunderwave
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Explosion

Salamence @Leftovers
???
-???
-???
-???
-???

This is what I've gotten so far and I like it. Now the only issue I'm having is the moves since I can only teach one of these pokemon Rest and only one can learn Toxic. Please help me out here with this.

Pika Egg
19th December 2006, 12:55 AM
I don't see what the problem is.... only one of those pokemon has Rest and only one has Toxic...

Salamence likes
Nature: Adamant
@ Leftovers
-Dragon Dance
-EQ
-Aerial Ace
-Rock Slide

although this might cause a problem since you need EQ for Slaking as well... Brick Break might be an option then... albeit not nearly as good as EQ..

Also, I'm pretty sure about the Whirlwind + Drill Peck thing..

BigCharizard
19th December 2006, 1:06 AM
I don't see what the problem is.... only one of those pokemon has Rest and only one has Toxic...

The problem is that he needs Toxic or Rest to replace Thunder Wave on Regice since there are no tutors in Sapphire.

Again, I recommend a good Baton Passer like Ninjask or Gorebyss.

If you really want a good team, you pretty have to buy at least Emerald, if not FR/LG as well. Well, Christmas IS coming pretty soon ;).

Dave30904
19th December 2006, 2:11 AM
I don't really need to buy into Nintendos marketing plan and buy all of their games just for one good team. I know there is potential in Sapphire I just need to find it.

[Kingdra]
19th December 2006, 4:37 AM
Yeah the no cloning thing sucks =/ So you can basically only have one of those walls...

I'd personally go with Regice

Dave30904
19th December 2006, 5:45 AM
How about this team:

Swampert @Leftovers
Relaxed
-Icebeam (Since I can't breed Curse untill later in the game.)
-Rest
-Surf
-Earthquake

Slaking @Choice Band
Adamant
-Hyper Beam
-Earthquake
-Shadowball
-Return

Gardevoir @Leftovers or Lum Berry
Modest
-Hypnosis
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic
-Calm mind

Weezing @Leftovers
Relaxed
-Will-O-Wisp
-Sludge Bomb
-Haze
-Explosion / Fire Blast / Flamethrower

Regice @Leftovers
Calm
-Toxic
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Explosion

Breloom @Leftovers or Lum Berry
Adamant
-Spore (I need to keep Shroomish up to lvl 54 in order to learn Spore.)
-Focus Punch
-Leech Seed
-Mach Punch

I can change some of the moves around I was just showing what I got to work with so far. Let me know how I can make the best of what I already have.

[Kingdra]
19th December 2006, 5:50 AM
Fire Blast on Weezing and Brick Break>Mach Punch or Sub>Mach Punch on Breloom

This team is lookin' pretty good...Aerial Ace maybe on Slaking...

I prefer Bold on Regice...

The Mighty Wurmple
19th December 2006, 5:52 AM
Why would you have Brick Break on Breloom? Use Sky Uppercut! Also, why use Substitute when you already have Spore.

Pika Egg
19th December 2006, 5:52 AM
Mach Punch is fine on Breloom. FP is your main attacking move so Brick Break/Sky Uppercut becomes redundant. Substitute is an option over Mach Punch though...

Dave30904
19th December 2006, 6:00 AM
Right on Kingdra. Only one question I have now is why do you perfer bold on Regice? This is the updated team:

Swampert @Leftovers
Relaxed
-Icebeam (Since I can't breed Curse untill later in the game.)
-Rest
-Surf
-Earthquake

Slaking @Choice Band
Adamant
-Aerial Ace
-Earthquake
-Shadowball
-Return

Gardevoir @Leftovers or Lum Berry
Modest
-Hypnosis
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic
-Calm mind

Weezing @Leftovers
Relaxed
-Will-O-Wisp
-Sludge Bomb
-Haze
-Fire Blast

Regice @Leftovers
Bold
-Toxic
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Explosion

Breloom @Leftovers or Lum Berry
Adamant
-Spore (I need to keep Shroomish up to lvl 54 in order to learn Spore.)
-Focus Punch
-Leech Seed
-Mach Punch

This team seems to be shaping up a bit for what I have to work with. The good news is I have already caught four out of six pokemon.

[Kingdra]
19th December 2006, 6:02 AM
Hyper Beam's actually good on Slaking because it wastes the truant turn with recharge so it's basically better...but, Slaking is a hit and run so that might mess you up =/

Bold on Regice because it already has massive SDef and a good Fighting can pwn it...Or rock if they're faster then REgice

Frost Nova
19th December 2006, 6:04 AM
Why do you have Explosion on Regice when it's got a fantastic base 50 Atk and a -Atk nature? Go for something else please: Explosion's not going to dent anything if it doesn't have Curse.

Oh yes, Sludge Bomb over Leech Seed please.

[Kingdra]
19th December 2006, 6:05 AM
He can't really do much else with Regice =/

Dave30904
19th December 2006, 6:16 AM
Actually I just seen that Regice has terrible speed so I don't see why I can't use a Relaxed nature on my specific Regice moveset. Also I read that Sludge Bomb should take the place where my Leech Seed was on another thread for in-game movesets. Here is my updated version now:

Swampert @Leftovers
Relaxed
-Icebeam (Since I can't breed Curse untill later in the game.)
-Rest
-Surf
-Earthquake

Slaking @Choice Band
Adamant
-Aerial Ace
-Earthquake
-Shadowball
-Return

Gardevoir @Leftovers or Lum Berry
Modest
-Hypnosis
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic
-Calm mind

Weezing @Leftovers
Relaxed
-Will-O-Wisp
-Sludge Bomb
-Haze
-Fire Blast

Regice @Leftovers
Relaxed
-Toxic
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Explosion

Breloom @Leftovers
Adamant
-Spore
-Focus Punch
-Sludge Bomb
-Mach Punch

[Kingdra]
19th December 2006, 6:25 AM
Bold or die >=(

Dave30904
19th December 2006, 6:33 AM
How about this. I see that Regice learns Curse on it's own at level 17. Now I know when I catch him he will probably be at a higher level. Does Regice have Curse in his moveset when I catch him? If so then I could allways replace Explosion with Curse to make him last longer.Couldn't I just use Bold nature and Curse instead of Explosion on my moveset?

BigCharizard
19th December 2006, 6:54 AM
It comes with Curse on it. You could probably get away with using it, seeing as there aren't too many other options.

Dave30904
19th December 2006, 6:58 AM
Well If I use Toxic first and then use Curse a few times, My defence should be preety beefed up right? It could work better than using Explosion.

Anyways here is the final result:

Slaking @Choice Band
Adamant
-Aerial Ace
-Earthquake
-Shadowball
-Return

Gardevoir @Leftovers or Lum Berry
Modest
-Hypnosis or Will-O-Wisp (Must breed for Will-O-Wisp.)
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic
-Calm mind

Swampert @Leftovers
Relaxed
-Icebeam or Curse (Must breed for Curse.)
-Rest
-Surf
-Earthquake

Breloom @Leftovers or Lum Berry
Adamant
-Spore (I need to keep Shroomish up to lvl 54 in order to learn Spore.)
-Focus Punch
-Sludge Bomb
-Mach Punch

Weezing @Leftovers or Lum Berry
Relaxed
-Will-O-Wisp (Must breed for Will-O-Wisp.)
-Sludge Bomb
-Fire Blast
-Haze

Regice @Leftovers
Bold
-Toxic
-Curse
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt

Reno
19th December 2006, 1:50 PM
Well If I use Toxic first and then use Curse a few times, My defence should be preety beefed up right? It could work better than using Explosion.

Anyways here is the final result:

Slaking @Choice Band
Adamant
-Aerial Ace
-Earthquake
-Shadowball
-Return or double edge

Gardevoir @Leftovers or Lum Berry
Modest or timid
-Hypnosis or Will-O-Wisp (Must breed for Will-O-Wisp.) will o wisp of you can breed, if not hypnosis
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic
-Calm mind

Swampert @Leftovers
Relaxed
-Icebeam or Curse (Must breed for Curse.)
-Rest
-Surf
-Earthquake

Breloom @Leftovers or Lum Berry
Adamant
-Spore (I need to keep Shroomish up to lvl 54 in order to learn Spore.)
-Focus Punch
-Sludge Bomb
-Mach Punch

Weezing @Leftovers or Lum Berry
Relaxed i prfer impish
-Will-O-Wisp (Must breed for Will-O-Wisp.)
-Sludge Bomb
-Fire Blast
-Haze

Regice @Leftovers
Bold
-Toxic or thunderwave/counter/sleep talk i prefer toxic though.
-Curse why curse without an attack move?! rest here
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt


yeh, sorry if i copied a moveset, i skipped to the last post.

[Kingdra]
19th December 2006, 4:51 PM
Curse to beef his defenses...Impish on Weezing when it has Fire Blast...Hmmmmmm

Reno
19th December 2006, 5:01 PM
fire blast is powerful enough to take out the pokemon it wants to. relaxed is good, it does lower his speed though. and having curse without physical attacks is like a gun without ammo. please use rest over curse, it will be much ebtetr in the long run.

[Kingdra]
19th December 2006, 5:04 PM
HE DOES NOT HAVE REST!

So Curse can beef it's defenses...

Reno
19th December 2006, 5:58 PM
Which is why you train a pick up pokemon, clone it at level 51-70 and walk around fighting wild pokes with six pick uppers, then keep going till you get rest, then clone it. there you go. you got a rest tm.

Dave30904
19th December 2006, 9:23 PM
I can't clone on Sapphire. I only own one GBA and Sapphire. Can I possibly replace the Rest on my Swampert with another move and give Rest TM to Regice instead since he is going to be a wall?

ludicolo_kid
19th December 2006, 9:28 PM
regice doesn't need any more sp def than it already has, so the nature boosting it won't particularily help. If you boost its defense though, it will make a difference.

Dave30904
19th December 2006, 9:31 PM
What about this moveset:

Regice @Leftovers
Relaxed
-Toxic
-Curse
-Ice Beam
-Explosion

I know you probably haven't seen anything like that work but It might not be a bad idea. The only downfall is Ice Beam will be my only attacking move. Toxic can build up in damage and as long as it's poisoned, I will allways attack first. Relaxed nature will boost my defense and lower my speed which I wont need anyways. Curse will not only boost my defence, but raise my attack high enough for Explosion to OHKO if I use it enough. I should probably keep leftovers on him since he is such a nice wall.

ludicolo_kid
19th December 2006, 9:37 PM
no. why don't you use ludicolo as your special sponge? :D

Dave30904
19th December 2006, 9:42 PM
Which pokemon are the good special walls? Can you give me a list to pick from please?

The Mighty Wurmple
19th December 2006, 9:49 PM
-Blissey (Although you won't be able to get this with only Sapphire)
-Regice (Use Thunderbolt over Exposion on your set. I'm not sure if Curse will work either)
-Umbreon is okay, although you won't be able to get it with Sapphire.
-Ludicolo is okay.
-Milotic is fairly good.
-Dusclops is good.
-Registeel is sorta okay.

Although most of those are just Pokemon with 100+ Special Defense, not really walls.
Regice is your best bet.

Dave30904
19th December 2006, 11:52 PM
Are there any moves that I can substitute Rest for on my Swampert so I can use the Rest TM on Regice?

aragornbird
20th December 2006, 12:00 AM
Protect works great on Swampert if you have Leftovers. It also lets your see what kind of movesets your opponent has.

[Kingdra]
20th December 2006, 12:03 AM
Or Counter/Coat...

Dave30904
20th December 2006, 3:06 AM
Thanks you just solved my problem. So here is what I'm going to do. I'm going to put protect on Swampert and Rest on Regice. That is an actuall moveset from Smogon University. Here is my planned team:

Slaking @Choice Band
Adamant
-Aerial Ace
-Earthquake
-Shadowball
-Return

Gardevoir @Leftovers or Lum Berry
Modest
-Hypnosis or Will-O-Wisp (Must breed for Will-O-Wisp.)
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic
-Calm mind

Swampert @Leftovers
Relaxed
-Icebeam
-Protect
-Surf
-Earthquake

Breloom @Leftovers or Lum Berry
Adamant
-Spore (I need to keep Shroomish up to lvl 54 in order to learn Spore.)
-Focus Punch
-Sludge Bomb
-Brick Break (Mach Punch requires breeding if I wait till 54 to evolve.)

Weezing @Leftovers or Lum Berry
Relaxed
-Will-O-Wisp (Must breed for Will-O-Wisp.)
-Sludge Bomb
-Fire Blast
-Haze

Regice @Leftovers
Bold
-Toxic
-Rest
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt

ludicolo_kid
20th December 2006, 6:50 PM
nice. Perhaps bulk up over brick break on breloom

Dave30904
20th December 2006, 7:00 PM
Yeah that might not be a bad idea Ludicolo_Kid! I could use Spore first and then Bulk Up to prepair for some sweeping. What exactly does Focus Punch do? Do I have to wait multiple turns for it to work or is it just a regular attack?

ludicolo_kid
20th December 2006, 7:12 PM
works like this:

Breloom used Spore
Opponent fell asleep
Breloom is tightening its focus
Opponent is fast asleep
Breloom used Focus Punch
Opponent died in its sleep :(

First turn you focus yourself, then you attack. Also always goes first. If they were awake, then they could attack you the turn aftre it says you're tightening you're focus and it say " Breloom lost its focus and couldm't moebv." wasting your time. Sporepunching is good because spore is 100% accurate and so you are almost certain to get a free focus punch, even if they switch!

Dave30904
20th December 2006, 7:15 PM
When should I use Bulk Up on Breloom?

aragornbird
20th December 2006, 7:15 PM
Never used Focus Punch before? It's only the strongest Fighting move in the entire game.

Bulk Up isn't needed.

Use Leech Seed for Breloom's last move. Brick Break is pretty useless considering it's only half a Focus Punch.

ludicolo_kid
20th December 2006, 7:17 PM
stick leftovers on them all while your at it.

Dave30904
20th December 2006, 7:20 PM
Yeah Leech Seed will probably work a little better. Should I use Leech Seed before or after I Focus Punch?

I will have to get 5 more Leftovers from Battle Tower in order for my whole team to have one. What would you suggest I use for my pokemon untill then?

aragornbird
20th December 2006, 7:26 PM
Use it after the enemy falls asleep but only use it on enemies that you can't kill in one hit with Focus Punch.

Don't worry about items for now. These is friggin' in-game. It's friggin' easy.

Dave30904
20th December 2006, 7:34 PM
Yeah I know. Someone I know beat either Ruby or Sapphire with just Mudkip alone and he doesn't know anything about raising a great pokemon. I'm just a perfectionist and I want to construct a good team in the game.

BigCharizard
21st December 2006, 12:16 AM
I'm just a perfectionist and I want to construct a good team in the game.

Now isn't that the story of my life.

Dave30904
21st December 2006, 2:52 AM
BigCharizard, I took a test to see what pokemon I was and I got Charizard. Ironic isn't it? I put it in my signature.

BigCharizard
21st December 2006, 4:58 AM
That is pretty sweet.

EDIT: I got Mew. I'd put it on my sig, but I already have enough good stuff.

Dave30904
21st December 2006, 5:15 AM
Yeah Jolteon is amazing. I wonder what Mew's says.

ludicolo_kid
21st December 2006, 1:02 PM
i'm a haunter but this is now terribly off topic :(

magnemiteZ
21st December 2006, 1:51 PM
when in doubt about movesets, look here, and do everyone a favour;

http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=136696