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-Discord-
21st December 2006, 3:14 AM
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Heracross @ Shell Bell
Adamant Nature
Ev's: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
- Megahorn
- Brick Break
- Rock Slide
- Swords Dance

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Starmie @ Brightpowder
Modest Nature
Ev's: 252 S.Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic

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Dusclops @ Leftovers
Careful Nature
Ev's: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 104 Def / 56 SDef
- Seismic Toss
- Will-O-Wisp
- Rest
- Shadow Ball

[Kingdra]
21st December 2006, 3:15 AM
Switch Hera's and Starmie's items...Dusclops doesn't need attack swith it to SDef.

Other then that pretty good team...

-Discord-
21st December 2006, 3:16 AM
Dusclops needs attack (96 ev's) to ko alakazam and possibly gengar.

[Kingdra]
21st December 2006, 3:18 AM
Since when could it KO anything?

It's defensive and Seismic Toss should do the job...

Sniper123
21st December 2006, 3:28 AM
Change Starmie's nature to Timid.

BattlePikeKing140
21st December 2006, 3:40 AM
No, leave Starmie's nature as is. Timid is so fricken useless, I wish people would stop suggesting it in in-game rates.
Pain Split over Rest is an option, but merely that.
Possibly put Facade over Swords Dance and give Heracross a Choice Band, and that's all I can really say.

Outlawz
21st December 2006, 5:01 AM
If you can switch Hera's Rockslide with EQ.

aragornbird
21st December 2006, 5:06 AM
No you shouldn't. Earthquake is useless on Fighting types. Ground and Fighting both cover Rock and Steel types, but Fighting will always be stronger due to STAB. That makes Earthquake useless since Fighting attacks will always be stronger. Besides, Rock Slide is the only way Heracross can effectively hit Flying types.

Outlawz
21st December 2006, 5:13 AM
No you shouldn't. Earthquake is useless on Fighting types. Ground and Fighting both cover Rock and Steel types, but Fighting will always be stronger due to STAB. That makes Earthquake useless since Fighting attacks will always be stronger. Besides, Rock Slide is the only way Heracross can effectively hit Flying types.

Touche....

totallylost
21st December 2006, 7:55 AM
Change Starmie's nature to Timid.

modest also works well

-Discord-
21st December 2006, 1:07 PM
Modest > Timid in-game for christ's sake. Although... 298 S.Atk is still enough to hurt. 363 Speed is utterly godly, but I still like S.Atk more.

magnemiteZ
21st December 2006, 3:20 PM
sniper123; timid starmie is horrible.
starmie is bad as it is, it doesn't need less SAtk that it already has.


Choice Band Heracross with Earthquake over Swords Dance please.

Every ****ing idiot runs psychic apparantly.

Rest / Talk / Focus Punch or Seismic Toss / Shadow Ball Dusclops please.

EVs are pretty bad too.

osiem_zero_jeden
21st December 2006, 4:01 PM
can someone explain to me what STAB is?

Reno
21st December 2006, 4:05 PM
same type attack bonus, or something. it is very simple and basic. you get STAB for when a pokemon uses a move of its type. for example.


metagross used meteor mash. (meteor mashs base power is at 100)

because metagross is steel, and meteor mash is steel, he gets STAB.

the power you get from stab works like this.

n=base power

n/2 + n

so meteor mash gets +50 as it is half its base power.

ludicolo_kid
21st December 2006, 11:41 PM
you could have just said that if a pokemon uses a move the same type as it its power is multiplied by 1.5

aragornbird
21st December 2006, 11:44 PM
You could have not made that post since it contributes nothing to the thread.

Aldred gave an example to reinforce the concept, just like a teacher would give an example to help her students learn.

magnemiteZ
22nd December 2006, 12:16 AM
lol assuming all teachers are female.

-Discord-
22nd December 2006, 12:58 PM
sniper123; timid starmie is horrible.
starmie is bad as it is, it doesn't need less SAtk that it already has.

It's satk isn't that bad.. Besides I'd rather have Gengar but I can't get him and my Latias has a **** nature(Lax). I'm working on my bulky team of Swamp, Ice and Mence/Gross.


Choice Band Heracross with Earthquake over Swords Dance please.

Why not Facade > EQ

Every ****ing idiot runs psychic apparantly.

I've used recover in-game and it doesn't work to well on the star. Besides, I'm too scared of Hera and Gar to let go of psychic.

Rest / Talk / Focus Punch or Seismic Toss / Shadow Ball Dusclops please.

RTalker? Why?

EVs are pretty bad too.

Okay. I am terrible w/ Ev's anyways.


10charlimit

magnemiteZ
22nd December 2006, 10:42 PM
It's SAtk is pretty poor.
And why can't you get Gengar?

Because facade really wont help you as much as Earthquake. You will stumble on loads of things like Nidoking, Muk and Swalot on your daily Battle Fronteiring, and being walled by them is crap.
You would never get to use Facade anyway.

psychic is still useless. Especially seeing as you have dusclops for both gengar and heracross.

STalk because it is the best moveset in-game.



Heracross Wants;

EVs: 140 HP / 136 Atk / 232 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
with Swords Dance.

Starmie wants;

EVs: 108 HP / 148 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)

and Dusclops wants;

EVs: 252 HP / 160 Atk / 96 Def
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
with focus punch

or;

EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 144 Def / 16 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
with SToss.

-Discord-
22nd December 2006, 11:42 PM
It's SAtk is pretty poor.
And why can't you get Gengar?

I can't trade between FR/LG atm. Soon though..

Because facade really wont help you as much as Earthquake. You will stumble on loads of things like Nidoking, Muk and Swalot on your daily Battle Fronteiring, and being walled by them is crap.
You would never get to use Facade anyway.

Cool. I guess.

psychic is still useless. Especially seeing as you have dusclops for both gengar and heracross.

I forgot about the 'clops

STalk because it is the best moveset in-game.

Really?



Heracross Wants;

EVs: 140 HP / 136 Atk / 232 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
with Swords Dance.

I have one w/ this set, but others are telling me to go 252/252/4.
Actually my set is like 116 hp / 136 atk and 252 spd

Starmie wants;

EVs: 108 HP / 148 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)

Once again. I posted on smogon if I should use this ev set or 252/252/4 and I was told 252/252/4.

and Dusclops wants;

EVs: 252 HP / 160 Atk / 96 Def
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
with focus punch

or;

EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 144 Def / 16 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
with SToss.

Okay. this seems fine.



10charlimit.

magnemiteZ
23rd December 2006, 12:30 AM
smogon is usually no better than serebii for EVs.

honestly.

-Discord-
23rd December 2006, 12:38 AM
wow.. that's sad in a way. meh, i guess I'll go to digletts pimphouse for ev's.