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Serebii
11th January 2007, 3:22 PM
http://www.serebii.net/anime/NextOn/483.jpgA Shape of Things To Come

Finally at the first Gym of Sinnoh, Ash meets up with the Gym Leader, Roark, a trainer who specialises in Rock type Pokémon. However, before Ash gets a chance to challenge him, his rival Paul appears and challenges Roark. Will Paul beat Roark? Will Ash get to battle and beat Roark?

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Discuss

Serebii
11th January 2007, 3:24 PM
Seems Hyouta has Geodude, Onix & Zugaidosu.

Shinji challenged him with Azumarill, Elekid & Hikozaru. Shinji Won

Almighty Zard
11th January 2007, 6:21 PM
Accorrding to the results it seems Azumarrill did lose to Geodude, proving that it was indeed a crappy Azumarrill, i also find it sad he won the match using only Elekid, seems he ain't no different than Ash when it comes to electric vs rock.

CyberCubed
11th January 2007, 6:33 PM
Shinji is as cheap as Ash it seems. LOL?

Almighty Zard
11th January 2007, 6:39 PM
Shinji is as cheap as Ash it seems. LOL?

hmm, i didn't notice the part about Hikozaru, at least he did something as well, but yeah he does seem cheap.

Irene
11th January 2007, 8:25 PM
Shinji is as cheap as Ash it seems. LOL?

Or maybe Hyouta is just a BAD Gym leader and still has much to learn from his father?
(of course this is called HUMOR before someone comes and flames me)

Phantom_Bugsy
11th January 2007, 9:37 PM
Or maybe Hyouta is just a BAD Gym leader and still has much to learn from his father?
(of course this is called HUMOR before someone comes and flames me)

>_____________________________>

*keeps mouth shut and internet knife in its internet sheath*

Wow, I hate Shinji even more than I did before. Didn't think that was possible. :/ *snarl*

I don't suppose anyone knows if Shinji was condescending and nasty to Hyouta at all?

Korobooshi Kojiro
11th January 2007, 9:37 PM
Too reinstate this....

Zugaidosu is perfectly vunerable too Electric attacks.

I'm also confused about what all the fuss is about.....I mean, Hyouta is an early Gym Leader. I don't get the big deal of him losing. And, he WINS in the next one and gets 2 more episodes.


0.o
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/Yukiwarashi/Pokemon%20Anime%20Pictures/1168515386945.jpg

Almighty Zard
11th January 2007, 10:01 PM
Too reinstate this....

Zugaidosu is perfectly vunerable too Electric attacks.

It's more the fact Shinji used Elekid the majority of the match/


I'm also confused about what all the fuss is about.....I mean, Hyouta is an early Gym Leader. I don't get the big deal of him losing. And, he WINS in the next one and gets 2 more episodes.

Alot of people wanted Shinji to lose to him, regardless wether Ash won or lost, shinji is now on the path to becoming a Stu character according to people at BMG and i can see why the man needs to lose, and even if he doesn't lose to Ash until the league he still needs to lose sometime, the sooner the better.

Edit:^Woah what did Ash and Shinji do to her?

Korobooshi Kojiro
11th January 2007, 10:03 PM
Well, he may win battles, but I wouldn't consider him a Stu. Aren't Stu's usually all around good people? Shinji has alot of flaws.

Phantom_Bugsy
11th January 2007, 10:06 PM
He's not exactly a Stu...but he's extremely stereotypical. :/ It's annoying.

Korobooshi Kojiro
11th January 2007, 10:08 PM
I had a feeling this would happen with Shinji...-_-

But, I do agree he needs too lose once.

Jo-Jo
11th January 2007, 10:08 PM
Eeeeeevil Hikari!!! *pinches her cheeks* She is so fricking adorable. Sometimes I wonder if I really do like her, or if I've just built up an ideal construct of her in my mind that doesn't match up with reality. But then I see screenshots like that and realise no, I love her. <3

I'm tired of Ash and Shinji going through the same routine every time they meet. It'd be okay if they were more like Ash and Gary, and Shinji was this arrogant frat-boy who just breezes through for five minutes per ep, makes Ash mad and drives on his way in his shiny red convertible. But Shinji is in entire episodes at a time, getting loads of focus, and nothing is happening with him. Every episode, he shows Ash up - which shouldn't be happening if Shinji is a newbie trainer; even if Ash started over, he still has far more battling smarts after all this time - and goes on his way at the end with the exact same attitude he started with. It's pointless. Either develop his character or stop giving him all this screentime.

Korobooshi Kojiro
11th January 2007, 10:10 PM
Maybe we should wait till we see MORE of the screens before we jump too conclusions? And he MAY get something next week...

Also, I saw something about TR working in the mine and finding some artifact...I wonder if this will have something too do with the Mine episode?

BattleFranky~40
11th January 2007, 10:15 PM
He's not exactly a Stu...but he's extremely stereotypical. :/ It's annoying.

stereotypical jerk> stereotypical goodie goodies

Therefore, Shinji> every other character.

Gravy
11th January 2007, 10:18 PM
Well to be perfectly fair Jo-Jo, the guy has only shown up for two episodes before this. One of them was his introductory, and the other had more focus on Ash and Naetle's problems as oppossed to Shinji himself.

As far his battling knowledge is concerned, we don't know what the hell the guy has done before recieving his first pokémon. Judging from the way he seems to battle, and how efficient his assumedly inexperienced pokémon are (apparantly Hikozaru was frightened by the opponent at one point), I'm guessing he's been into the whole idea of battling via strategy a whole lot longer than Ash has. They are roughly the same age, so perhaps that's why Shinji is only now starting to train pokémon? Too engrossed with the technical side of pokémon and shunning all the other elements.

Korobooshi Kojiro
11th January 2007, 10:19 PM
He got training from his Daddy, Brandon.

Which mean we will have a Tougan vs Brandon battle in the future, in which they BOTH RIP OFF THEIR SHIRTS AND BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF EACH OTHER!

BattleFranky~40
11th January 2007, 10:24 PM
He got training from his Daddy, Brandon.

Which mean we will have a Tougan vs Brandon battle in the future, in which they BOTH RIP OFF THEIR SHIRTS AND BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF EACH OTHER!

The manliest pokemon battle ever? definatly.

Irene
11th January 2007, 10:41 PM
He's not exactly a Stu...but he's extremely stereotypical. :/ It's annoying.
What's NOT stereotypical in the Pokémon anime, to begin with?

And I didn't mean to offend (you or) Hyouta in my previous post, Oos. He actually happens to be one of my favorite gym leaders *ever*, so I see no reason why I should ever flame/talk bad about him o.o
I was just defending a favorite character of mine, that is being called cheap, Stu and stereotypical, the same way anyone else would have defended his/her own.
So no need to feel the homicidal instinct towards me D:


He got training from his Daddy, Brandon.

Which mean we will have a Tougan vs Brandon battle in the future, in which they BOTH RIP OFF THEIR SHIRTS AND BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF EACH OTHER!
Now that's definitely something I'd want to see..

S.Suikun
11th January 2007, 11:39 PM
Not too enthusiastic about Shinji winning, especially since that equates to even further Sinnoh embarrassment for Ash, further considering how Shinji will be sticking around for DP 16. Shinji doesn't need any change in character, but somebody needs to show him up and put him in his place soon enough. I'd also much rather see Hyouta win twice than lose twice.

And when the hell are we going to see this Murkrow of his?

Irene
11th January 2007, 11:47 PM
Not too enthusiastic about Shinji winning, especially since that equates to even further Sinnoh embarrassment for Ash, further considering how Shinji will be sticking around for DP 16. Shinji doesn't need any change in character, but somebody needs to show him up and put him in his place soon enough. I'd also much rather see Hyouta win twice than lose twice.

And when the hell are we going to see this Murkrow of his?

I'm not too happy about the fact he won actually... since I'm happy for him, but I feel bad for the series.
Wonder what the writers have in mind.

...

If anything o.o

As for Murkrow, I'm starting to think it's just a biiig, biiiig joke they put on us.

CyberCubed
11th January 2007, 11:52 PM
Well I'm sure Shinji willl have a major loss eventually, maybe against the second Gym leader if we see him there.

Shinji is a cool character but the writers run the risk of overusing him and/or making him into a Gary Stu. I hope this is not a sign of things to come, because people will probably end up being bored of him if the same thing happens every time he shows up.

Eh, but let's wait and see. I'm sure Shinji will get a major loss eventually, maybe against the second Gym leader.

Irene
11th January 2007, 11:56 PM
Though, it's also true that he needs to inflate his ego as much as possible to make the rivalry really stand up. Because Satoshi can't accept the fact that such a horrible person can actually win AND KEEP ON WINNING with such barbarian methods (!11).

If Shinji loses now, he could go all emo and cut his wrists and end of DP rival D:

ash5550
11th January 2007, 11:57 PM
I'm not happy that Shinji won either. >.> That guy is way to sterotypical. I mean, he's just that arrogent guy that loves getting in front of the good guys way. Shinji himself is a guy that I like, his attitude I don't. Shinji should have lost; it would've made Shinji a more realistic char.


By the way, judgin by Shinji's looks, he could sjut be a midgit.

BattleFranky~40
11th January 2007, 11:58 PM
I don't exactly see Shinji losing to a Grass gym leader when he has Hikozaru.

I mean, 2 of the 3 pokemon he used in this episode were weak to Rock pokemon, and he still won.


I'm not happy that Shinji won either. >.> That guy is way to sterotypical. I mean, he's just that arrogent guy that loves getting in front of the good guys way. Shinji himself is a guy that I like, his attitude I don't. Shinji should have lost; it would've made Shinji a more realistic char.
How is he any more stereotypical than any other Pokemon character? And since when was Pokemon realistic?

Irene
11th January 2007, 11:59 PM
Shinji himself is a guy that I like, his attitude I don't.

How can you like him and still not liking his attitude? You mean you just don't support his way of thinking... or just dislike his behavior?

Jo-Jo
12th January 2007, 12:00 AM
Well to be perfectly fair Jo-Jo, the guy has only shown up for two episodes before this. One of them was his introductory, and the other had more focus on Ash and Naetle's problems as oppossed to Shinji himself.
Point. And the screen of Hikari getting in the way of Ash and Shinji fighting next ep looks promising as a fun scene, at least. But I think Shinji's had enough screentime by now (he had pretty big roles in all three of his episodes) that we ought to be seeing something different. It feels like the writers are re-debuting him every time he appears, showcasing the same traits that were initially so fresh over and over.

S.Suikun
12th January 2007, 12:06 AM
Shinji needs to lose to Makishi in an epic battle of each of them constantly yelling "I AM NOT A STEREOTYPE!" throughout the entire fight.

And judging by #PM's pictures, Hyouta looks kinda PO'd when giving the badge to Shinji.

BattleFranky~40
12th January 2007, 12:08 AM
Shinji needs to lose to Makishi in an epic battle of each of them constantly yelling "I AM NOT A STEREOTYPE!" throughout the entire fight.
It ends with both of them beating up Ash due to his lack of manliness and being a bigger stereotype than the both of them.


And judging by PM's pictures, Hyouta looks kinda PO'd when giving the badge to Shinji.

So Hyouta's gonna kill Shinji behind the scenes? And I guess that means Shinji does indeed insult Hyouta at one point.

Korobooshi Kojiro
12th January 2007, 1:10 AM
Murkrow will become the Fire Dragon of Pokemon.

Anonymous Trainer
12th January 2007, 3:06 AM
This makes you wonder about the complete difference if Ash didn't leave his AG/BF team at Oak's. *snicker*

Weav-vile
12th January 2007, 3:06 AM
Just watched the episode.
The only thing I didn't like much was, uh... It's just that I'm kinda speechless about Shinji's battle. You know, he won most of the duels using his week-against-opponents Elekid, and... Gaaah, that was kinda out-of-the-blues. But I can live with that, I think. ő.ů
Overall, the battle was fine to me, actually: I loved how Zugaidos moves! Awwww, such a kawaii thingyyy! <3
Seriously, it's such a baby I could raise and...
Sorry. .-.

Uh, back to the episode, another moments I really liked were:

- Hyouta; even though he's lost to Shinji, he's still a nice guy; and I disagree with people that are saying that he's things like the worst of all gym leaders ever, 'cause you all know he's not. Did you forget about Wattson, or even Misty's sisters? (Not to hurt their fans, but...) =P
- Kurogane City; perfectly designed, fair to the videogames! Awwwwwww, I wanna be there! I could see that mountains being blasted off by a giant Groudon (!), lol! ^-^
- Team Rocket; nice costumers compared to the last ones. And they didn't act like the mess-Ash&Co's life-with-the-most-stupid-plans-ever team we are used to; they finally got their own screen time doing other things! Yay!
- Shinji's Azumarill; When I saw it, I was just like "ZOMG :O", I mean it! C'mon, he could have used another water type! My, the writers love to play around, oh yeah they do!
- The controversious battle; yep, that's good for their public (us, pfff) - you know you loved it deep inside of you!

Good episode, I enjoyed it hella much! And I can't wait, of course, 'till next week: HIKARI's BURNING, SHE'S ON FIRE! Bring on the bubblebeam, Pochama! xD

And that's that, guess it's enough from me today! :rolleyes:

- Nozomi

Anonymous Trainer
12th January 2007, 3:11 AM
I wonder if they later show Shinji being mercilessly slaughtered by an elite trainer, such as Lance or the Sinnoh League Champion. (forgot her name)
I would love to see the horrified look on his face for once after all the smug looks we've seen so far.

Korobooshi Kojiro
12th January 2007, 3:39 AM
The Rocket's seem too have an ongoing plot which culminates in DP 17. Next episode they are shown a Omanyte being revived.

Squirtle_007
12th January 2007, 3:49 AM
Shinji rocks, Satoshi sucks
Shinji beats Satoshi even in his own uber-electric game
I don´t think Hyouta would be the worsr Gym Leader I mean ... where do you leave Takeshi?

The Great Butler
12th January 2007, 3:51 AM
So Shinji won, I must say I'm surprised.

Still though, since Azumarill lost, I still expect it to be released next week---that would explain Hikari's "eruption." But what is with Mukubird and his anime eyes/John Lennon glasses?

DP champion's name is Shirona to answer the earlier question.

And I sure hope the writers do the rest of the cities and Gym Leaders this good.....I kinda can't wait to see Lucha Libre Makishi, or all the fanboying when we get to Suzuna.

EDIT: Maybe Hyota's annoyed because Shinji acted like a dick at some point in their battle? It's kinda hard to tell from just pictures with Shinji.....he always looks like he's acting like a dick.

S.Suikun
12th January 2007, 6:12 AM
Eh...maybe it was the mediocre animation, or the fact that I'm so Goddamn sick of seeing Geodude and Onix at this point, but I thought this battle was pretty crappy up until the part when Zugaidos entered. But then it got really good, particularly Elekid v. Zugaidos. We also got to hear some Movie 7 music for the first time in forever.

What was that attack that Onix used that created the boulders on the battlefield that slammed Elekid and Hikozaru? Rock Tomb?

At this rate, we've already seen Hikozaru have more screen time in the anime than it would have in the series' entirety if Brock would have gotten it instead.

Also, it doesn't seem like Hyouta is really ticked at Shinji, actually. It was merely difficult to accurately depict Hyouta's facial expression from the small screencaps.

Mythic Mist
12th January 2007, 6:17 AM
I'll assume one of the lesser animation teams did this episode e_e. Yuck.

Anyway, It was cool seeing stealth rock actually hurt the incoming pokes. Also, seeing blaze activate was nice, and I thought it would give Shinji the win. But it didn't, and Elekid took the spotlight. Oh well.

I don't mind that Elekid lasted so long. It's not like Hyouta used any ground type moves on it. Btw, what was that move that Geodude used to repel Hydro Pump? Was it Mud Sport? O_o

Next ep looks promising.

Umi Mizuno
12th January 2007, 6:44 AM
Every single shot I saw of Shinji in the episode, convinced me more and more that somebody slashed some old guy's face and pasted it on Shinji. O_o

The part where Zugaidos comes in and the battle was really suprising, I actually thought Hikozaru was the one that was going to take out Zugaidos.

Shinji and Hyouta couldn't be anymore different. How nice of the writers to have Hyouta congratulate his pokemon and have Shinji scorn his pokemon for not doing well enough. :p But Shinji's the average super-jerk so it's no suprise.

..I hate these people who are animating the D/P season, couldn't they have gotten better people? Everything in this episode was "make everyone shrink so they fit the screen and you can actually see their full body but it's all blurred."

http://i1.*******.com/2qxrjwy.jpg
Hehe, Zugaidos <3

S.Suikun
12th January 2007, 6:56 AM
Yeah, that's typical Izumi Shimura. About as bland and average as it gets. Some of Hyouta's face shots looked really sloppy, also. Case in point:
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/94/vlcsnap6230zc9.png

If it's any consolidation, however, next week's episode has a very solid animation director at the wing.

Umi Mizuno
12th January 2007, 7:01 AM
If it's any consolidation, however, next week's episode has a very solid animation director at the wing.
I'll be thankful for that. It's about time we've had a better animator. D:

Hyouta with fangs. :E Rawr.

And I don't get why everyone is saying if Hyouta was ticked at Shinji, he wasn't, it was just that part where Hyouta had fangs and all but I guess that was because the battle was really tense.

The entire episode I don't recall seeing Hikari with that volcano erupting in the background like I saw in the episode preview last week:
http://i13.*******.com/2uti97q.gif

Torkoal Stu
12th January 2007, 7:12 AM
Because that Hikari scene is in the next episode where she breaks up a fight between Ash and Shinji I hear. Since Pokemon was going on that 3 week break I think they included a small preview for the next episode since it had Naetoru, Aipom and Pikachu doing stuff.

I haven't watched it yet...so....I'll watch it later I was just pointing some out about the volcano eurption Hikari thing.

Hyourinmaru
12th January 2007, 7:56 AM
I watched the episode last night. Like I said in the speculation thread, it wasnt as good as I hoped it would be, but it was pretty good.
I love Hyouta, he was all nice and hawt, but he wasnt as great a gym leader as I hoped he would be. The animation was pretty bland, as pointed out by people.
All in all, a good episode, but it could have been better.

uber gon
12th January 2007, 8:57 AM
I just can't believe another pokémon has to glow white to use some attack.

Here's hoping we get to see something new soon.

Magical Needle Smash
12th January 2007, 9:16 AM
This is the second time it's been stated that Shinji's Elekid has exceptional power (the first being way back in episode 3). They're either trying to hint that Shinji and Elekid have been together for a long time or that this Elekid is a special pokemon, not unlike how Pikachu used to be.



Btw, what was that move that Geodude used to repel Hydro Pump? Was it Mud Sport? O_o

That was Hidden Power.

Also, just to clarify, the only attack that Elekid used was Brick Break, not Thunderpunch, which was reported in another thread.

Korobooshi Kojiro
12th January 2007, 11:19 AM
Hyouta seemed mad to me, but since Shinji won fair and square it wouldn't be proper too yell at him. But it was much different then what happens when Ash wins and the G: congratulates him and is all "OMG, GREAT!".

SuperSonic
12th January 2007, 11:48 AM
I don't know why you're all complaining Shinji won. Its really early on in the series, Shinji cant resolve his character by losing so soon. At which point he'll instantly be Ash's new best friend.

Little Caterpie
12th January 2007, 12:50 PM
I watched the episode. Nice only haha... omg...haha.... little Geodude beat Azumarill lol haha.... in the game Geodude has ZERO chances against water-type pokemon. I don't know if I understood right but Azumarill used Hydro Pump. Yes, Hydro Pump would beat Geodude without problems so I don't understand why it didn't work in the anime. That small Elekid must be on the highest level from them all because it beat the dinosaur and didn't faint. Hikozaru knows Dig... interesting, but if I was Shinji I wouldn't teach Hikozaru dig. Oh well... Anyway, in the game Shinji would win without troubles with Azumarill, but the show is much muuuuuuuch different.
Shinji had a nice battle so his fangirls (the real ones) will get orgasm if they see him so tough and cool lol

JONNO.FRESH
12th January 2007, 1:49 PM
I watched the episode. Nice only haha... omg...haha.... little Geodude beat Azumarill lol haha.... in the game Geodude has ZERO chances against water-type pokemon. I don't know if I understood right but Azumarill used Hydro Pump. Yes, Hydro Pump would beat Geodude without problems so I don't understand why it didn't work in the anime. That small Elekid must be on the highest level from them all because it beat the dinosaur and didn't faint. Hikozaru knows Dig... interesting, but if I was Shinji I wouldn't teach Hikozaru dig. Oh well... Anyway, in the game Shinji would win without troubles with Azumarill, but the show is much muuuuuuuch different.
Shinji had a nice battle so his fangirls (the real ones) will get orgasm if they see him so tough and cool lol

Anyone else laugh at that post?

Little Caterpie
12th January 2007, 2:35 PM
Anyone else laugh at that post?
What do you want? Explain, please because I'm tired of thinking lol

Maestro Kinético
12th January 2007, 3:00 PM
Boring episode. I didn't like the battles and how a water type lost VS a rock type and Elekid won. And now other two episodes about the same gym, I don't think I'll even watch them.

Eerie Fuwante
12th January 2007, 3:07 PM
Anyone else laugh at that post?

I did. Anime =/= Games.

I don't know why people are actually complaining about Elekid and Geodude winning with type disadvantages. Type disadvantages in the anime aren't as important in the game. Anyone who has seen School of Hard Knocks agrees.

And BYW, if you do take the games in consideration, Azumarill's Hydro pump is crap, although itr would defeat a Geodude.

Little Caterpie
12th January 2007, 3:55 PM
I did. Anime =/= Games.

I don't know why people are actually complaining about Elekid and Geodude winning with type disadvantages. Type disadvantages in the anime aren't as important in the game. Anyone who has seen School of Hard Knocks agrees.

And BYW, if you do take the games in consideration, Azumarill's Hydro pump is crap, although itr would defeat a Geodude.

OMG! Little Caterpie's post is so funny...hahahahahaha.... omg....hahaha... she is thinking about games... hahahaHAHAHA!

Ehem...umm... honestly, no. I love the games and I laugh when I see how Geodude (ground/rock) beats Azumarill (water) who uses Hydro Pump. I'm not saying that anime is stupid or bad, but it should follow the games (a little).IMO. Writers don't care about levels- ooooookay, if they really don't want... but they should care about types. Even if Azumarill's Hydro Pump is crap, it should beat Geodude without troubles. It should kick Onix too.

In "School of Hard Knocks" they say about levels and about types. Graveler beat Starmie. I remember. Probably that Graveler had much higher level than Starmie- maybe 30 or even 40. But like Brock said "Rock-type pokemon will never beat water-type". But it isn't important in the show anymore.

Pokemon Fan
12th January 2007, 4:01 PM
I watched the episode. Nice only haha... omg...haha.... little Geodude beat Azumarill lol haha.... in the game Geodude has ZERO chances against water-type pokemon. I don't know if I understood right but Azumarill used Hydro Pump. Yes, Hydro Pump would beat Geodude without problems so I don't understand why it didn't work in the anime.
The anime has the added realism of being able to block one attack with another. The Hydro Pump failed because it never touched Geodude.

Not to mention even in the games a Geodude could beat at Azumarill if the low-accuracy Hydro Pump kept missing.

So... Hidden Power huh? Here I was hoping it was Ancientpower so we could finally see what that move looks like.

What I really want to know is what move was Onix using when it glowed all golden like that?

And Stealth Rock was quite coolly adapted to the anime. Reminiscant Headbutt looked nice to as it at least had a psychic like glow to it.

Little Caterpie
12th January 2007, 4:16 PM
The anime has the added realism of being able to block one attack with another. The Hydro Pump failed because it never touched Geodude.

Not to mention even in the games a Geodude could beat at Azumarill if the low-accuracy Hydro Pump kept missing.


I'm really scared of realism =X How Geodude could block Hydro Pump? The water should kill it. Azumarill is an evolved pokemon, Shinji probably trained it a lot. Little Geodude has zero chances against evolved water-type pokemon who uses Hydro Pump. I know because I kicked Geodudes and Onixes in my game milion times. Even as weak attack as Bubble/Water Gun can hurt Geodude a lot, that why I'm shocked because in the anime Geodude blocked Hydro Pump and beat Azumarill. I don't care if Azumarill is strong or not. It shouldn't be kicked by Geodude.

Ashy Boy
12th January 2007, 4:26 PM
I don't know if anyone noticed but Shinji seemingly refused to accept the gym leader's badge even though he defeated him.

Gravy
12th January 2007, 4:27 PM
Geodude used a projectile attack to mow through the Hydro Pump, so the technique didn't even make contact with the rock type pokémon. I'm failing to see the problem with this, especially since Hydro Pump is nothing more than a jet of water. Why couldn't a mass of energy orbs, fired off by a pokémon under the command of an Gym Leader, rip through such an attack?

As for Shinji 'training' that Azumarril, I sincerly doubt it. I'd be more inclined to believe he went around capturing random water pokémon and just stuck with the one that had the strongest technique. I'm sure he doesn't take anything like actual battle experience into account. Azumarril getting KO'd easily was just an obvious attempt at showing Shinji's personallity flaws, imo, and when push comes to shove, that'll probably result in his eventual downfall.



I don't know if anyone noticed but Shinji seemingly refused to accept the gym leader's badge even though he defeated him.

Uhh, no he didn't. Hyouta offered him the badge, Shinji took it, replyed with a very flat sounding 'Arigato' and went on his merry way before being stopped by Ash.

MechaBulba
12th January 2007, 5:03 PM
I have nor seen the episode yet. Only seen the ScreenShot. But from what i can see how dose Sleath Rockl Hurt the Pokemon? I mean they on;ly hurt when the foe is switched like spikes. Yet this rock like sticks where large like gravestones and spread far apart! There4 i don't get how they work?

Bryon
12th January 2007, 5:09 PM
S.Suikun is right. I hope this doesn't become a reccuring theme where Shinji constantly gets ahead of Ash until Ash finally stomps on him. It's kinda like with May and Drew, but it's different 'cause Drew had more experience than May, while Shinji's just a beginner.

Somehow, I got the impression he was gonna win. Just glad that he didn't win using Azumarill alone. The anime makes it plain to see that Type advantage doesn't always win out in some cases.

Bryon

Umi Mizuno
12th January 2007, 5:46 PM
Hyouta seemed mad to me, but since Shinji won fair and square it wouldn't be proper too yell at him. But it was much different then what happens when Ash wins and the G: congratulates him and is all "OMG, GREAT!".
Hyouta didn't have any reason to yell at Shinji, where is everyone getting this idea that Hyouta was p*ssed at Shinji?

Because that Hikari scene is in the next episode where she breaks up a fight between Ash and Shinji I hear. Since Pokemon was going on that 3 week break I think they included a small preview for the next episode since it had Naetoru, Aipom and Pikachu doing stuff.
It's strange to put a clip from next week's episode with a preview from this weeks episode together. O_o

Crimsonmon
12th January 2007, 6:01 PM
I have nor seen the episode yet. Only seen the ScreenShot. But from what i can see how dose Sleath Rockl Hurt the Pokemon? I mean they on;ly hurt when the foe is switched like spikes. Yet this rock like sticks where large like gravestones and spread far apart! There4 i don't get how they work?

They just stopped Elekid from moving around.

Caseydia
12th January 2007, 6:13 PM
Besides for this episode, Shinji's doing pretty well for himself. Just to think that he was supposed to be a beginner. Not in my book he's not. I was hoping that Ash could catch up faster to his pace but that's rivalry for ya. But I was even more interested on why were they making full episodes with Shinji in them. He's constantly showing up more than 12 episodes in a row and I was wondering if Shinji should have just been apart of the main cast and stop this running around. But I guess not. Producers suck.

Gravy
12th January 2007, 6:15 PM
They just stopped Elekid from moving around.
No they didn't :/
The rocks are planted into the ground, and whenever a new pokémon is sent into battle, the rocks levitate, glow and crash into the opponent.

Irene
12th January 2007, 6:19 PM
Okay, like some people have already told, and I will tell it again, HYOUTA WAS NOT MAD AT SHINJI AT ALL.
I just finished watching the thing, and never I saw him mad, or heard him yelling, or just showing anger towards the young opponent.

I can see people hating Shinji because of his temper, but why putting in other character's mouths words they NEVER told?
That's what p***es me off of certain people.

Anyway, except for the sloppy animation, and the over shown 'dude and Onyx, I saw nothing terrible in this episode. Hyouta loves his fossils and this is automatic win. Zugaidos looked cool and I absolutely have no problems in seeing disadvantaged types winning. Hydro Pump often misses even in the GAMES, and probably Hyouta's Geodude had a higher level than the (I suppose) poorly trained Azumarill of Shinji. Also, if the one Elekid was using was REALLY Brick Break, I see no reason of complaining (Super Effective against Rock anyone?).

Little Caterpie
12th January 2007, 6:28 PM
I absolutely have no problems in seeing disadvantaged types winning. Hydro Pump often misses even in the GAMES, and probably Hyouta's Geodude had a higher level than the (I suppose) poorly trained Azumarill of Shinji.

You should know that even water-type pokemon with lowest level has much bigger chances for winning against Geodude. Your water pokemon can be on level 5 or 6, and Geodude may have level 10- if the first one uses as strong attack as Hydro Pump, Geodude will lose. Hydro Pump misses sometimes, that's true, but Azumarill's attack didn't miss. Geodude blocked it =/

Weav-vile
12th January 2007, 6:31 PM
Gosssh!
I can't understand why on this earth so many people continuously complain about every single DP episode. So far, all of them have been pretty cool; the only thing I think it's wrong is the animation, but it's not the worst of all anime I've seen in my life, hell no! Even though it's not excellent, it's still good for me.
There're some people here that always say that the episode in question bored them, remarking that they're not gonna see the next one. But guess what? The new episode comes and here they are again, complaining like mindless children. C'mon!
What's the problem with Shinji winning another battle? And I see no problem with Elekid winning and Azumarill losing either... Hey now, it's the anime! You all know it's different from the games, thanks God! You gotta agree it needs a shine for itself, huh?
Get real, stop acting like idiots or just stop watching the anime, seriously. :S

- Nozomi

Gravy
12th January 2007, 6:34 PM
Geodude blocked it =/
And as I pointed out on the page before this one, it used a projectile attack on the Hydro Pump. I don't understand what the problem is. It's not like the thing screamed "RAWR! I AM GEODUDE!" and swated the attack away.

Irene
12th January 2007, 6:43 PM
You should know that even water-type pokemon with lowest level has much bigger chances for winning against Geodude. Your water pokemon can be on level 5 or 6, and Geodude may have level 10- if the first one uses as strong attack as Hydro Pump, Geodude will lose. Hydro Pump misses sometimes, that's true, but Azumarill's attack didn't miss. Geodude blocked it =/

O RLY? I seriously didn't know that.

Bah, Gravy has already explained why Geodude was able to win.

After all, this is the anime where a Pikachu can take down a Regice with a Volt Tackle Attack.
Who can say that Hyouta's Geodude is not just as uber as Ash's rat? o.o

Little Caterpie
12th January 2007, 6:57 PM
What's the problem with Shinji winning another battle? And I see no problem with Elekid winning and Azumarill losing either... Hey now, it's the anime! You all know it's different from the games, thanks God!You gotta agree it needs a shine for itself, huh?
Why are you happy with this fact? I think, its a big minus of anime. It doesn't follow levels, doesn't follow pokemon-types. I don't know what is so great about it.

Darkness Angel
12th January 2007, 7:51 PM
I liked the three small battles that Shinji had with the gym leader and that lastt one was really good.

Weav-vile
12th January 2007, 8:24 PM
Why are you happy with this fact? I think, its a big minus of anime. It doesn't follow levels, doesn't follow pokemon-types. I don't know what is so great about it.

Of course it does follow these aspects you mentioned; it just doesn't need to show every one of them. You know, everything can happen... Even in the game.
However, I still like the anime the way it is. And you got to agree with me when I say that Shinji X Hyouta was a tense battle! =P
I simply loved it, and I loved how a guest character got so much screen time too.

- Nozomi

Bliksem
12th January 2007, 8:31 PM
The more I see Shinji in action, the more I like him AND his personality. He is easily the definition of your typical competitive battler. I hope Ash at least learns SOMETHING about strategy from him.


And as I pointed out on the page before this one, it used a projectile attack on the Hydro Pump. I don't understand what the problem is. It's not like the thing screamed "RAWR! I AM GEODUDE!" and swated the attack away.
You have to admit that it'd be really funny, though :D

S.Suikun
12th January 2007, 10:54 PM
Why are you happy with this fact? I think, its a big minus of anime. It doesn't follow levels, doesn't follow pokemon-types. I don't know what is so great about it.
Because realistically, levels would not make a lick of sense outside an RPG.

Korobooshi Kojiro
12th January 2007, 11:14 PM
Giant health bars should levitate above the Pokemon's heads!

FireHead Hank
12th January 2007, 11:24 PM
I'm so glad Azumarill didnt do much in the battle. I dont like it at all....

For me, it's always a nice thing to see the "classic" rock Pokemon on the show. They are very cool and dont bother me at all.
Zugaidosu was as cool as I expected it to be. But I dont like the fact it used Flamethrower(though I do like fire attacks in general)...it gives it a dragon-like touch, which is a bit cheap IMO.

Bliksem
12th January 2007, 11:35 PM
Having gotten to see the episode in action now, I'm officially in love with Hikozaru and Zugaidosu ._.; They're so CUTE! ><;; Seeing Satoshi cheer for a Gym Leader was slightly off-setting, though. Stealth Rock looks incredible. I'm gonna have to remember that one.

Poor Zugaidosu... it was like Elekid broke its leg XD. Shinji's aggression is top-notch. I like him even more now. It was a really intense battle, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Gravy
12th January 2007, 11:41 PM
Giant health bars should levitate above the Pokemon's heads!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Gravyyy/eep.png

"Hmm..it appears Hyouta has sent out a Rock Type pokémon. Most Rock Type pokémon can learn ground type moves, and being at level 12, my Hikozaru will more than likely faint with one shake of the screen. Hikozaru's Attack Stats are quite high, however. So perhaps I can KO his Zugaidos in one hit? If not, I'm sure I'll be able to walk over to Hikozaru in the middle of the match and give him a Super Potion. Useless."


Next time on POKETTO MONSUTAA: DAIMOND AND PEARL!!!: Ash decides to level up his Naetle by battling Mukurus in the tall grass. Will Naetle grow to level 17 by the end of the episode?! Will Ash delete one move to make way for Curse?! Will he backtrack to the next town to purchase some more Pokéballs?! Will he discover that Murkrow isn't exclusive to his version?!

Magical Needle Smash
12th January 2007, 11:43 PM
Stealth Rock is excellent due to the fact that its animation resembled fin funnels. Way to go, animation team.


What I really want to know is what move was Onix using when it glowed all golden like that?

If that was the part where it rammed into Elekid, then that was Double-Edge it was using. During that part of the match, they made a point of talking about self-damaging attacks.

Korobooshi Kojiro
12th January 2007, 11:43 PM
Also, we need Geodude and Onix too make generic computer noises!

Onix: DERDERDERWWRAHHHHHH
Geodude: ZNNNNNNNNNNNNGGNNNNGGGN!

Man, the Anime sure is better now!

Weav-vile
13th January 2007, 12:01 AM
"Hmm..it appears Hyouta has sent out a Rock Type pokémon. (...)" [...].


[...]

Man, the Anime sure is better now!

Glad I'm not the only one. --'

- Nozomi

^ASH^
13th January 2007, 12:05 AM
I really liked the episode and it got me to realize that Shinji is my favorite character after May
I can't see what's the problem with a Pokémon beating a Pokémon that has a type advantage on it... it isn't the first time that happened and the anime is just more realistic than the games so Geodude could block the attack

I also can't understand people that say that "Shinji is a beginner trainer" or that "Hikozaru is Shinji's first Pokémon"
If I recall correct in DP3 Shinji introduce himself to the Professor so we can be sure that he didn't got Hikozaru from it and just caught it in the wild like Ash could get a wild Naetoru... and also this prove that unlike how some people think hikozaru is NOT Shinji's first Pokémon... at least not for sure - Shinji's first Pokémon is probably one of Elekid/Hikozaru and in my opinion it's much more logical for it to be Elekid because Shinji's Pokémon and Ash's Pokémon are "rivals" (Pikachu and Elekid - both are 3 stages electric type / Naetoru and Hikozaru - "rivals" because of their battle / Mukubird and Murkrow - birds) so probably Elekid is also Shinji's first Pokémon like Ash's Pikachu
We have no reason to think Shinji is a beginner trainer - so what if Elekid and Hikozaru didn't evolve? alot of Pokémon the main characters own never evolved despite having them for a long time (Squirtle/Cyndaquil/Totodile/Cacnea/Geodude and more)
So what if he only have with him 2 Pokémon at the moment? Ash also came to Sinnoh with only 2 Pokémon with him and Shinji could do exactly the same... why? we can't know the reason - maybe it has something to do with the reason he started to treat Pokémon like tools and not friends: maybe something happened with some of his Pokémon that caused him to lose faith in them and release them all or leave them at his home or with someone except for Elekid that maybe he still had a little of sentimental feelings for it (and I really hope that there will be a good reason for why he started to treat Pokémon like that)
Also in this episode when Shinji hear that the gym is a rock type he frightened a little and said that he goes to the Pokémon center - maybe there he contacted his home/someone that take care of his old Pokémon and took back Azumarill for this battle?
In my opinion Shinji is an experienced trainer and it's more logical this way... but we don't have a proof wheter he is or not =X I hope we will find out soon


This is the second time it's been stated that Shinji's Elekid has exceptional power (the first being way back in episode 3). They're either trying to hint that Shinji and Elekid have been together for a long time or that this Elekid is a special pokemon, not unlike how Pikachu used to be.
This also may add to the idea that Elekid was his first Pokémon... also remember that the first Pokémon we saw that he have is Elekid and that in his first battle with Ash and also in that gym battle he saved Elekid for the final of the battle (and yes I know he used Elekid before Hikozaru in the gym but he returned it and used it after Hikozaru lost)

nap*
13th January 2007, 12:11 AM
Azumarill getting screwed over, even with hydro pump, made my day

Weav-vile
13th January 2007, 12:18 AM
I also can't understand people that say that "Shinji is a beginner trainer" or that "Hikozaru is Shinji's first Pokémon"
If I recall correct in DP3 Shinji introduce himself to the Professor so we can be sure that he didn't got Hikozaru from it and just caught it in the wild like Ash could get a wild Naetoru... and also this prove that unlike how some people think hikozaru is NOT Shinji's first Pokémon... at least not for sure - Shinji's first Pokémon is probably one of Elekid/Hikozaru and in my opinion it's much more logical for it to be Elekid because Shinji's Pokémon and Ash's Pokémon are "rivals" (Pikachu and Elekid - both are 3 stages electric type / Naetoru and Hikozaru - "rivals" because of their battle / Mukubird and Murkrow - birds) so probably Elekid is also Shinji's first Pokémon like Ash's Pikachu
We have no reason to think Shinji is a beginner trainer - so what if Elekid and Hikozaru didn't evolve? alot of Pokémon the main characters own never evolved despite having them for a long time (Squirtle/Cyndaquil/Totodile/Cacnea/Geodude and more)
So what if he only have with him 2 Pokémon at the moment? Ash also came to Sinnoh with only 2 Pokémon with him and Shinji could do exactly the same... why? we can't know the reason - maybe it has something to do with the reason he started to treat Pokémon like tools and not friends: maybe something happened with some of his Pokémon that caused him to lose faith in them and release them all or leave them at his home or with someone except for Elekid that maybe he still had a little of sentimental feelings for it (and I really hope that there will be a good reason for why he started to treat Pokémon like that).

Quoted for truth; I also guess we have no reason to think Shinji is a beginning trainer... Look at his skills as a trainer, c'mon! IMRO, he's far a most experienced trainer than Ash is. Shinji rocks and I see no reason for people to dislike him and/or argue about his appearences. Some people just complain a lot about pointless things.

- Nozomi

Bliksem
13th January 2007, 12:19 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Gravyyy/eep.png

"Hmm..it appears Hyouta has sent out a Rock Type pokémon. Most Rock Type pokémon can learn ground type moves, and being at level 12, my Hikozaru will more than likely faint with one shake of the screen. Hikozaru's Attack Stats are quite high, however. So perhaps I can KO his Zugaidos in one hit? If not, I'm sure I'll be able to walk over to Hikozaru in the middle of the match and give him a Super Potion. Useless."


Next time on POKETTO MONSUTAA: DAIMOND AND PEARL!!!: Ash decides to level up his Naetle by battling Mukurus in the tall grass. Will Naetle grow to level 17 by the end of the episode?! Will Ash delete one move to make way for Curse?! Will he backtrack to the next town to purchase some more Pokéballs?! Will he discover that Murkrow isn't exclusive to his version?!
Classic gold.


But who's to say Shinji doesn't see things like that XD. I love how the anime's going right now.

Shinji's not a beginning trainer. Anyone who believes so is obviously missing the amount of skill and experience he shows. Sure, he may have studied Pokemon, but to be able to think on your feet like he does requires training. I'd like to note that Shinji seems to catch on to his opponent's strategies far quicker than Satoshi does. His battles are more entertaining to watch as it seems like both sides take their fair share of damage.

Seeing Azumarril lose is VERY amusing. That's the best Hidden Power I've ever seen.

Korobooshi Kojiro
13th January 2007, 12:40 AM
They did mention he just started around when Hikari did (irc, and I wonder if that's the same Hikozaru as in DP 1?) but I think he might of had Elekid with him wayy before that. Perhaps he has a very tough and strict father who trained him (Gabster: OMIGOD< IT IS AJEKI!!!!!!!).

Also, Shinji ties with Yami for deepest voice for such a young kid. Honestly, I believe he's only 10. o.0

The Great Butler
13th January 2007, 12:46 AM
I think I've got a guess as to why Hyota seemed angry at Shinji: it looked to me like Shinji pushed Elekid WAY too hard to pull out a win against Zugaidos.

Look at Serebii's pics from the end of the battle, Elekid looks like it's going to keel over dead yet Shinji kept pushing it.

EDIT: And Hyota sure looks angry when he's giving over the badge.

CyberCubed
13th January 2007, 12:46 AM
Does it really make a difference? We never found out if Drew was just a beginning trainer in AG, and he was far more skilled/talented than May was.

Shinji is just one of those Smogon freaks who spend their days analyzing the stats of every Pokemon. That's why he's done so well.

Bliksem
13th January 2007, 12:53 AM
Maybe because no one really cared whether or not Drew was a beginner. The reason we care about whether or not Shinji is a beginning trainer is because he fights with skill relatively on par (or just a bit higher) than Satoshi does. We KNOW Satoshi is experienced.

Smogon freaks, for the win.

CyberCubed
13th January 2007, 12:54 AM
Maybe because no one really cared whether or not Drew was a beginner.

You obviously haven't been around here long. :p

Weav-vile
13th January 2007, 12:55 AM
EDIT: And Hyota sure looks angry when he's giving over the badge.

I saw the episode, he wasn't.

- Nozomi

Bliksem
13th January 2007, 12:57 AM
Regardless. I never cared, and that's all that matters to me. I find Satoshi/Shinji's relationship more interesting than May/Drew's. In the end, whether or not Shinji has had training experience in the past will work well for people's opinion of him. If he's a rookie, then he's just incredibly talented. If he has experience, then he's just skilled.

Korobooshi Kojiro
13th January 2007, 12:58 AM
Yeah.

However, it was alot different then when Ash wins. I mean, usually the GL congratulates them and says how their the best and everything. Hyouta was like "Good job."

However, if Shinji releases Azumarill as I suspect he might (thus may be why Hikari freaks out), I suspect Hyouta may get somewhat angry.

CyberCubed
13th January 2007, 1:04 AM
Regardless. I never cared, and that's all that matters to me. I find Satoshi/Shinji's relationship more interesting than May/Drew's.

The point is the fandom cared, so why are you acting like Shinji is the only character people ever tried to find out about when he started? The writers barely delved into Drew's past so they will probably barely go into Shinji's either. Their dynamic consists of something comparable to those real-life smogon nutjobs who battle with bots all day and calculate EP's in their games all day, to Ash, who is basically your typical trainer who cares about his Pokemon.

The only rival we know that didn't start before Ash was Gary, and he started at the same time as Ash and was better than him at the start too, so what's the difference?


In the end, whether or not Shinji has had training experience in the past will work well for people's opinion of him. If he's a rookie, then he's just incredibly talented. If he has experience, then he's just skilled.

Or here's the simple answer:

He's a rival. Rival characters are always stronger than the heroes. Gary, Drew, and Nozomi were all better than Ash, May and Hikari. Even if Ash has been training for a long time, Shinji is a rival, thus that makes him talented and a strong rival to Ash.

You act as if this is the deepest thing the writers could go into, when we already have our answer, Shinji fits into the rival stereotype and that's why he's strong. The problem is the writers could turn him into a Gary Stu if they're not careful, and that's why a lot of people wish he didn't win this Gym battle, the writers are on the road to making him boring and predictable.

Hikarii
13th January 2007, 1:04 AM
Or Hikari. Yay for backgrounded volcanic eruption and angry face.

Irene
13th January 2007, 1:07 AM
Will he discover that Murkrow isn't exclusive to his version?!

Tsk, THIS is why the poor thing isn't appearing yet!
Go play Diamond damnit!

Shift
13th January 2007, 1:26 AM
I can't see what's the problem with a Pokémon beating a Pokémon that has a type advantage on it... it isn't the first time that happened and the anime is just more realistic than the games so Geodude could block the attack
You know, that seems to be the case many times, where the Pokemon that should be disadvantaged wins. Yeah, that's right! They try so hard to show that
type doesn't always matter, that in essence, they show that type never matters. Water vs rock: rock wins. Electric vs. rock: electric wins. Everyone vs. Wobbuffet: everyone wins. The Pokemon you think would win never wins. Never.
And that's where the flaw comes in, because it pretty much destroys the purpose of strategy. They might as well make a new rule that says, "Always use the Pokemon without a chance; you'll win." Sorry for going off on a tangent...

So yeah, Shinji's a jerk that needs to be brought down to Earth. But are you saying that Hikozaru is not the same one that ran out of the lab?

Korobooshi Kojiro
13th January 2007, 1:29 AM
It could be. I don't think it was mentioned, but I don;t think it is too unlikely.

Gravy
13th January 2007, 1:31 AM
So yeah, Shinji's a jerk that needs to be brought down to Earth. But are you saying that Hikozaru is not the same one that ran out of the lab?
The Hikozaru in the lab had a completely different voice to Shinji's, so unless Shinji is some sort of psychotic voicebox surgeon, it's safe to assume they're different members of the same species.

Hikarii
13th January 2007, 1:37 AM
Actually, it's not that. Using a Pokemon that has a type advantage does just that, gives you the advantage. Your Pokemon can probably deal greater damage against those who are weak to its type or nullify an attack it's resistant to. (A water-type move can put out a fire attack, a grass-type Pokemon will absorb a water-based attack.) However, this could probably work for other situations that aren't so favorable as well. Jsut because an opponent has an advantage doesn't mean you can't win. Come on, even in the games, I bet you've used a Pokemon against its type advantage at least ONCE. OH WAIT, the first rival battle. You don't have a choice.


You know, that seems to be the case many times, where the Pokemon that should be disadvantaged wins. Yeah, that's right! They try so hard to show that
type doesn't always matter, that in essence, they show that type never matters. Water vs rock: rock wins. Electric vs. rock: electric wins. Everyone vs. Wobbuffet: everyone wins. The Pokemon you think would win never wins. Never.
And that's where the flaw comes in, because it pretty much destroys the purpose of strategy. They might as well make a new rule that says, "Always use the Pokemon without a chance; you'll win." Sorry for going off on a tangent...

Shift
13th January 2007, 1:38 AM
The Hikozaru in the lab had a completely different voice to Shinji's, so unless Shinji is some sort of psychotic voicebox surgeon, it's safe to assume they're different members of the same species.
Oh, I see; I can never watch the eps myslef, so I wouldn't know.

Another thing I noticed is Shinji is essentially a manifestation of those trainers who abandoned Pokemon so many times in season 1 due to they supposed "weakness". I guess someone like Shinji would have been the one who abandoned that Oddish in the Hidden Village ep. I had trouble figuring out what was so wrong with Shinji releasing them the way he does, but after seeing that ep again, now I get it.

Weav-vile
13th January 2007, 1:42 AM
The Hikozaru in the lab had a completely different voice to Shinji's, so unless Shinji is some sort of psychotic voicebox surgeon, it's safe to assume they're different members of the same species.

The voice issue is not an excuse for that. Did you forget they've been changing Jame's Masukkipa's voice over and over? =P

But I still don't think Shinji's Hikozaru is that one we knew on DP #001.

And, ah, when did they mentioned that Shinji is a beginning trainer? o_O

- Nozomi

Shift
13th January 2007, 1:43 AM
Actually, it's not that. Using a Pokemon that has a type advantage does just that, gives you the advantage. Your Pokemon can probably deal greater damage against those who are weak to its type or nullify an attack it's resistant to. (A water-type move can put out a fire attack, a grass-type Pokemon will absorb a water-based attack.) However, this could probably work for other situations that aren't so favorable as well. Jsut because an opponent has an advantage doesn't mean you can't win. Come on, even in the games, I bet you've used a Pokemon against its type advantage at least ONCE. OH WAIT, the first rival battle. You don't have a choice.
Of course; what I'm saying is that in the anime, it seems like they're going so far to show that a Pokemon can win even with a disadvantage, that they essentially always seem to overcome it and win, and that the one with the advantaged is ultimately destined to lose.

Korobooshi Kojiro
13th January 2007, 1:43 AM
The Hikozaru in the lab had a completely different voice to Shinji's, so unless Shinji is some sort of psychotic voicebox surgeon, it's safe to assume they're different members of the same species.
Well, he does have an unsually deep voice.....

Hmmm...your right.

The Lab sounded like AiAi from Monkey Balls.
This one sounded like Aipom, if Aipom was Hikozaru, and if Aipom possibly wasn't a showboater but instead a flaming butt monkey.


The voice issue is not an excuse for that. Did you forget they've been changing Jame's Masukkipa's voice over and over? =P
That is only for Masukippa. Hikozaru has not experienced any major trauma.

Weav-vile
13th January 2007, 2:03 AM
That is only for Masukippa. Hikozaru has not experienced any major trauma.

Maybe they just didn't show it yet, huh? :P
LOLzZzZzZz!

God, I'm so sleepy.

Anyways, that Hikozaru is not that one from the lab...

Ok, then, that's it from me today.
'Night, everybody. :rolleyes:

- Nozomi

uber gon
13th January 2007, 2:08 AM
So Onix's attack was Stealth Rock? I always thought the rocks would be more shuriken shaped?

Anyway, who here wants to bet Stone Edge is gonna be showcased soon.

Korobooshi Kojiro
13th January 2007, 2:10 AM
So Onix's attack was Stealth Rock? I always thought the rocks would be more shuriken shaped?
You've been watching too much Naruto.

Crystal Clair
13th January 2007, 2:16 AM
Aside from the shitty animation, this episode was pwnsome. ..... mostly cuz Shinji was in it 8D

What does Shinji keep saying when he returns his Pokemon? Its sounds like skanaiyaz or something.
I'm curious as I hear it all the time

I liked that remake of the old Johto battle song.....
Dont hit me for this but
Does a remake of a Johto song mean a remake of Johto?
XD just kidding

^ASH^
13th January 2007, 2:38 AM
Quoted for truth; I also guess we have no reason to think Shinji is a beginning trainer... Look at his skills as a trainer, c'mon! IMRO, he's far a most experienced trainer than Ash is. Shinji rocks and I see no reason for people to dislike him and/or argue about his appearences. Some people just complain a lot about pointless things.

- Nozomi

Nice to see someone agree with me =]


They did mention he just started around when Hikari did
My Japanese knowledge isn't that good but I'm sure I would understand it if they said Shinji is a begginner and I don't think they said so =X


(irc, and I wonder if that's the same Hikozaru as in DP 1?)

One last thing: are you saying that Hikozaru is not the same one that ran out of the lab? That's new to me.
No it isn't
I think it's really hard to believe that in between the little time was after after Hikari chose Pochama and left Shinji came chose Hikozaru then caught Elekid that amazingly well trained and caught 3 Mukkuru and learned to battle very well
And as I said - if I recall correct than Shinji introduced himself to the Professor meaning they never met before so Shinji probably caught Hikozaru as a wild Pokémon like a lot of other wild starters we saw


but I think he might of had Elekid with him wayy before that. Perhaps he has a very tough and strict father who trained him (Gabster: OMIGOD< IT IS AJEKI!!!!!!!).

This is also may be the reason why Shinji started to treat Pokémon like that... let's hope they really will let us know the reason and that it will be something interesting like that


EDIT: And Hyota sure looks angry when he's giving over the badge.
No he isn't - he just gave him the badge then Shinji took it and said "thanks"


Does it really make a difference? We never found out if Drew was just a beginning trainer in AG, and he was far more skilled/talented than May was.

Shinji is just one of those Smogon freaks who spend their days analyzing the stats of every Pokemon. That's why he's done so well.

Do we have to compare Shinji and Drew? don't get me wrong - I understand why you would compare the two considering they have the same role on the show but they doesn't MUST to be EXACTLY the same and we don't need to try and compare everything with May when it isn't related to her at all...
If we must to compare them- May was a begginer herself when she met Drew and Drew obviously was more experienced but it is less important to know if Drew also started his journey only a little before May or already traveled a lot before because anyway it is logical and easy to accept that he is better then her
But now we see that Shinji has good straregies and he really seems to be much more than a begginer trainer
And I'll qoute myself: "in this episode when Shinji hear that the gym is a rock type he frightened a little and said that he goes to the Pokémon center - maybe there he contacted his home/someone that take care of his old Pokémon and took back Azumarill for this battle?" it is possible that this what happened... we can't know for sure just how we can't know about Drew but here it seems to be more important because Ash is already an experienced trainer unlike May who just started when she met Drew


The only rival we know that didn't start before Ash was Gary, and he started at the same time as Ash and was better than him at the start too, so what's the difference?

The difference is that if two people start at the same time it is logical that maybe one will get ahead of the other
But when we have an experienced trainer then we think that the rival should also be at least a little experienced and not a begginer and what I said about the possibility that he contacted someone to take back Azumarill let me think I'm right and he isn't a begginer
Also if they wanted him to be a begginer why they didn't simply show that he get his first Pokémon from the professor? and that whole thing about them saying how "special" his Elekid is...


He's a rival. Rival characters are always stronger than the heroes. Gary, Drew, and Nozomi were all better than Ash, May and Hikari. Even if Ash has been training for a long time, Shinji is a rival, thus that makes him talented and a strong rival to Ash.
And this doesn't have anything to do with the possibility that Shinji really is an experienced trainer and the possibility that this time we will get to know that for sure...


You know, that seems to be the case many times, where the Pokemon that should be disadvantaged wins. Yeah, that's right! They try so hard to show that
type doesn't always matter, that in essence, they show that type never matters.
But it is logical to see alot of Pokémon with disadvantage win at battles
There is much more other than the Pokémon's type like the moves he use, the strategy the trainer thinks of, how well the trainer knows to make the surroundings to help him and more
Types are not everything... but sometimes we does get to see that the type helps

EDIT-

What does Shinji keep saying when he returns his Pokemon?
If I recall correct then for Azumarill it was something about how useless it was and for Hikozaru he probably said something similar

I liked that remake of the old Johto battle song.....
Me too =]

And it's really late here now so I think I'll go to sleep... good night

Umi Mizuno
13th January 2007, 2:51 AM
Does a remake of a Johto song mean a remake of Johto?
Everything's hinting that. First Johto Pokemon make a lot more appearances than the D/P pokemon themselves, than Marina gets a cameo, and now a remake of a Johto song. They have to be doing this on purpose. >>

And the attack that Onix used that slammed Elekid and Hikozaru must've been Stealth Rock, it looks like it is. o.o
http://www.serebii.net/attackdex-dp/stealthrock.shtml

crimsoneagle
13th January 2007, 2:56 AM
shinji is awsome just say that, and did wut he had to do to win
so the question is can ash win too or will he have to have a rematch?

Anonymous Trainer
13th January 2007, 3:01 AM
Throughout my years of watching the anime, at one point type does matter, then in another situation it doesn't. It keeps going off and on. It's quite clear that the writers are purposely putting in this 'glitch'. If I've never seen the Ash vs Brock where Pikachu defeats his Geodude by zapping it I would have been completely ****** at this episode.

Crystal Clair
13th January 2007, 3:35 AM
If I recall correct then for Azumarill it was something about how useless it was and for Hikozaru he probably said something similar
You know the exact romaji for what he said? (Cuz I tend to say that a lot in Pokemon ranger, and to say what Shinji says would be that much cooler)
Btw I too dont think Shinji is a beginner trainer..... I also dont think he's ten. In fact I told my my friend who goes here that people here think Shinji's ten and she was like WTF?!. I think he's at the absolute least 12

Magical Needle Smash
13th January 2007, 4:58 AM
You know the exact romaji for what he said?

Your earlier guess was pretty good as far as pronunciation goes. It's tsukaenai.


And, ah, when did they mentioned that Shinji is a beginning trainer? o_O

The only concrete information regarding Shinji's past is the fact that he started from Tobari City, and that comes from his bio on the official site. The anime hasn't told us anything at all so far. If there are quotes from the creators/writers or something that explain the character's background, I'd be interested in hearing it, but until we get an episode that tells us more about his past, I guess there isn't anything to go on.

Flamethrower Charizard
13th January 2007, 6:32 AM
I thought this battle sucked.

Not because of the type disadvantages, but because of the wasteful fights.
Elekid beat all of them. (I'm counting Onix as he lost 'cause of Static) and Hikozaru and Azumarril was left in the dust.
... Boring...

PANCAKE
13th January 2007, 6:38 AM
Hmmmmm.... Seems like I'm the late one here to post. :(
Now I know what a p!ssed fart in a vacuum cleaner feels like.

I guess the highlights for the episode for me were the abilities. It was pretty cool to see Zugaidosu shake off Elekid's static with unconventional. Stealth rock was a nice touch too. I like seeing poor little monkeys squished like grapes! Another thing I never knew was that Onix always kept it's Japanese voice (I'm the new guy so spare me the nerdy lectures).

I'm also glad to see that the rival/Shinji is actually SEEN earing his badge insted of dangling it in Ash's face in a later episode.

On a final note, it seems Shinji scolded his Pokemon when he recalled them. Kinda looked like it ticked Ash off pretty good. Yaaaaaawn...it's late.

7/10 from me. I agree with those who said the animation was a little bland like watered down Kool-Aid. Can't wait to see Ash's battle.
-PANCAKE-


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Gravyyy/eep.png

"Hmm..it appears Hyouta has sent out a Rock Type pokémon. Most Rock Type pokémon can learn ground type moves, and being at level 12, my Hikozaru will more than likely faint with one shake of the screen. Hikozaru's Attack Stats are quite high, however. So perhaps I can KO his Zugaidos in one hit? If not, I'm sure I'll be able to walk over to Hikozaru in the middle of the match and give him a Super Potion. Useless."


Next time on POKETTO MONSUTAA: DAIMOND AND PEARL!!!: Ash decides to level up his Naetle by battling Mukurus in the tall grass. Will Naetle grow to level 17 by the end of the episode?! Will Ash delete one move to make way for Curse?! Will he backtrack to the next town to purchase some more Pokéballs?! Will he discover that Murkrow isn't exclusive to his version?!

PS: Dude, that was the best laugh I had all week!

CyberCubed
13th January 2007, 6:45 AM
Pretty average episode, set-up if you will for next week.

This is exactly why Shinji better not be at every single Gym battle, his character will be so boring and repetitive if he shows Ash up at EVERY single Gym.

Please, writers, you have a good character here, don't ruin him by overshowcasing him or making him repetitive.

In fact, next time we see Shinji I hope we see him LOSE to someone for once, I don't care who he loses against, but seeing him do nothing but win all the time is going to get old fast.

Anonymous Trainer
13th January 2007, 8:35 AM
I wasn't happy with the fact that he won the match either. It's quite clear now judging by the episode arrangement that Ash is going to lose. I seen the battle a few hours ago and even though I'm not that fond of Shinji, I found it quite one of the most intense gym battles in the series.

PANCAKE
13th January 2007, 5:12 PM
This is exactly why Shinji better not be at every single Gym battle, his character will be so boring and repetitive if he shows Ash up at EVERY single Gym.

I agree to an extent. I'd be content seeing Shinji do about 2-3 more gyms, losing and winning some. It was nice to see him battle for his badge, something that hasn't been elaborated on if I'm correct. I remember plenty of times a badge or ribbon case was shown with the rivel having one or two up on the hero. I thought it would have been cool to see Harley or Drew have their own episodes showcasing them in a contest without May around. Speaking of which, heres hoping Nozomi gets the same treatment like Shinji did! Just don't over saturate it.

Dax
13th January 2007, 10:35 PM
Nozomi is a very powerful performer and coordinator watching her lose to Hikari would be interesting because Hikari is just beginning.

About Shinji even that we don't know anything about him I think he's powerful and he strategy to fight is interesting. He knows what he's doing and he takes risks. It would be interesting if in the anime they explore how he became a trainer. Considering that he is practically in most of the episodes they will do it. I would love to see his reaction if he loses to a gym leader.

CyberCubed
14th January 2007, 6:30 AM
The first half of this battle was mehish and made Shinji look like a dues ex, I don't buy Geodude and Onix fainting at all. It was done so poorly that it makes Ash's cheapest wins look like nothing at that rate.

I guess this is proof that even the rival characters battle the same way the heroes do, pretty lame.

Almighty Zard
14th January 2007, 7:12 AM
The first half of this battle was mehish and made Shinji look like a dues ex, I don't buy Geodude and Onix fainting at all. It was done so poorly that it makes Ash's cheapest wins look like nothing at that rate.

I guess this is proof that even the rival characters battle the same way the heroes do, pretty lame.

I find myself agreeing, most of the battle was dumb, and Onix fainted way to quickly to a simple dig, even if it was super effective, Hikozaru should've hit more than once before it went down.

Magical Needle Smash
14th January 2007, 7:44 AM
Hikozaru used Dig twice, and Elekid got in a Brick Break before it was recalled.

Bliksem
14th January 2007, 9:11 AM
I find myself agreeing, most of the battle was dumb, and Onix fainted way to quickly to a simple dig, even if it was super effective, Hikozaru should've hit more than once before it went down.
Repeated use of Double-Edge, being hit with Dig FIVE times (yes, those were five seperate attacks), and taking a Brick Break. I think that qualifies as a faint. Geodude fell quickly, but then again, Brick Break can do that if the Geodude was weaker.

I doubt Shinji will lose any time soon, at least, not if he uses his main Pokemon. Any loss will probably be with his Ursaring, to which he'll probably just release due to its poor performance.

Saying this battle outdoes any of Ash's in terms of cheapness needs to have their head examined. "AIM FOR THE HORN" stands out to me. Swellow and Pikachu for another. Swellow's AG battles in general, really. The battle was intense and fairly accurate, showing moves that have never been seen before and detailing the skill of both parties involved. It was, at very few points in the fight, one sided.

PANCAKE
14th January 2007, 5:17 PM
Saying this battle outdoes any of Ash's in terms of cheapness needs to have their head examined. "AIM FOR THE HORN" stands out to me. Swellow and Pikachu for another.

The one that I'm still bewildered about is the fight between the psychic twins. Ash ordering a thunder to the clouds which turned Pikachu and Swellow golden. Or Pikachu using agility to run ontop of a hydro pump. Or going WWE on Milotic and somersulting it's a**.

I like when strategys actually make sence. Bayleaf against Houndoom for example. It used vine whip to tie Houndooms mouth closed preventing flamethrower. There might be a handfull more I'm not recalling. Sorry, I'm eating a bowl of Trix.

Geodude and Onix fainting wouldn't have bothered me so much hadn't Azumaril went out so fast. It bugs the ever living crap outta me when evolutions are upstaged by pre-evos. Ol' aqua rabbit should have cleaned Hyouta's clock. And Elekid thunderpunching a Geodude is a big no no!
BAH!

Geodude
14th January 2007, 5:27 PM
And Elekid thunderpunching a Geodude is a big no no!
BAH!
Then it's a good thing it wasn't a Thunderpunch. It was Brick Break.

kawarawari = Brick Break

Can anyone with Japanese knowledge tell us what Brock said right after Azumarill fainted? I caught something about dodging, but that's all I could figure out. I can make a decent guess, but I'd rather get an accurate translation.

PANCAKE
14th January 2007, 6:00 PM
Then it's a good thing it wasn't a Thunderpunch. It was Brick Break.

Could have fooled me. I guess the electricity after the brick break was Hollywood special effects or maybe even glitter. Shame on me. The only Japanese I know is when I'm ordering from City Wok up the street.

I'd like to know what Shinji said to Azumarils pokeball after he recalled it. It ticked off Ash pretty good. Called it a "Useless piece of crap" maybe?

Geodude
14th January 2007, 8:08 PM
No, that was the representation of Elekid's Static ability, which I guess applies in the anime to when it makes contact with the opponent as well as the other way around. (Can't remember for sure how it worked in this battle.)

raticatelover
14th January 2007, 11:46 PM
When was the last time a water pokemon ACTUALLY defeated a rock/ground type?

Pokemon Fan
15th January 2007, 4:28 AM
Of course; what I'm saying is that in the anime, it seems like they're going so far to show that a Pokemon can win even with a disadvantage, that they essentially always seem to overcome it and win, and that the one with the advantaged is ultimately destined to lose.
You're exaggerating too much. Winning against type gets a lot of attention because it is exciting to see the supposed underdog pull through but is far from as common as you make it out to be. Off the top of my head here's some battles where the type with the advantage won:

1. Pikachu vs. Hoothoot and Dodrio
2. Cyndaquil vs. Scyther
3. Bayleef vs. Poliwrath
4. Corphish vs. Magcargo and Torkoal
5. Pikachu vs. Pelipper
6. Cyndaquil vs. Steelix
7. Pikachu vs. Milotic
8. Hoothoot vs. Chikorita
9. Swellow vs. Grovyle

And those are just gym battles.


Pretty average episode, set-up if you will for next week.

This is exactly why Shinji better not be at every single Gym battle, his character will be so boring and repetitive if he shows Ash up at EVERY single Gym.

Please, writers, you have a good character here, don't ruin him by overshowcasing him or making him repetitive.

In fact, next time we see Shinji I hope we see him LOSE to someone for once, I don't care who he loses against, but seeing him do nothing but win all the time is going to get old fast.
He's appeared three time in the series thus far and been in three battles, two of which he won, the other a tie. One of the wins is something they've never had in the series before, a complete gym match using someone who isn't Ash (well there was that one Hoso with Sakura and Misty but it was only a one-on-one battle). I think it will take a while longer for him to risk becoming repetitive.

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And people need to stop judging the quality of a battle as bad based on screenshots alone. A lot of supposed criticisms in this thread have no basis in reality and were merely speculation based on screenshots. i.e. Elekid used Brick Break, not Thunderpunch, Hikozaru hit Onix with Dig more than once and it had been weakened earlier etc.

CyberCubed
15th January 2007, 4:33 AM
He's appeared three time in the series thus far and been in three battles, two of which he won, the other a tie. One of the wins is something they've never had in the series before, a complete gym match using someone who isn't Ash (well there was that one Hoso with Sakura and Misty but it was only a one-on-one battle). I think it will take a while longer for him to risk becoming repetitive.

I agree, as long as they can pace him correctly and actually have him do something DIFFERENT the next time he appears, it'll be fine.

Some people have already been brainwashed by the exciting concept of a rival in the series and don't care if they see the same damn thing every time, but then he'll become boring and predictable.

After how horribly the Gary rivalry was handled in the series, I would hope Shinji doesn't follow the same path. So far, Shinji seems like Gary done right, this is the stuff we should have seen in Season 1, not the lame one-dimensional bragging stuff that people seem to consider a "personality" that Gary had.

We did just come off of AG where two rivalries were done right, (Drew and Harley), so hopefully my fears are unfounded. But then again, considering how Nozomi seems to be just repeating Drew's persona but as a girl, maybe not.

Geodude
15th January 2007, 5:35 AM
I disagree with your assessment of Nozomi. Drew didn't have the same initial opinion of trainers vs coordinators as Nozomi did.

Almighty Zard
15th January 2007, 5:39 AM
I disagree with your assessment of Nozomi. Drew didn't have the same initial opinion of trainers vs coordinators as Nozomi did.

Hmmm, makes me wonder why she has something against gym challengers, after all she got pretty ticked when Ash brought it up.


We did just come off of AG where two rivalries were done right, (Drew and Harley), so hopefully my fears are unfounded. But then again, considering how Nozomi seems to be just repeating Drew's persona but as a girl, maybe not.

What i find funny about AG more than anything was May had the rivalries to herself and Ash had nothing until right before the league, and both of those rivals were rather lackluster, i think it's Ash's turn to get a good rival seeing as how he had nothing last gen.

Back on Topic, After watching the episode i'll give Shinji the benefit of the doubt he won fairly though his battling seems very similar to how Ash battled pre AG with more power and little strategy, hopefully that's something that changes along the road cause i don't think people would like that very much.

CyberCubed
15th January 2007, 5:44 AM
I think its also kinda funny how Shinji sends out a fully evolved Pokemon like Azumarril and it loses so quickly, whereas unevolved forms like Elekid and the fire ape, (for the life or me I can never remember its name), and they do so much better.

Obviously that Azumarril had to be quickly caught and barely any training was done with it, but Shinji does better with unevolved Pokemon that he focuses on rather than random evolved Pokes that he captures to try and win battles with.

Anonymous Trainer
15th January 2007, 6:03 AM
I think its also kinda funny how Shinji sends out a fully evolved Pokemon like Azumarril and it loses so quickly, whereas unevolved forms like Elekid and the fire ape, (for the life or me I can never remember its name), and they do so much better.

Obviously that Azumarril had to be quickly caught and barely any training was done with it, but Shinji does better with unevolved Pokemon that he focuses on rather than random evolved Pokes that he captures to try and win battles with.

That's probably what's going to cause his downfall if he just keeps catching 'strong' pokemon instead of just putting effort into training them. Ursaring and Azumarril are prooth that he doesn't want to bring up weaker pokemon. However Hikozaru, Elekid, and later on Murkrow so far are the only ones Shinji is 'raising'.

Magical Needle Smash
15th January 2007, 6:11 AM
Repeated use of Double-Edge ...

When Hikari mentioned that it looked like Onix didn't take any damage at all, Takeshi explained that it was due to its special ability, which negates recoil damage. This episode was pretty heavy with pokemon abilities.


Can anyone with Japanese knowledge tell us what Brock said right after Azumarill fainted? I caught something about dodging, but that's all I could figure out. I can make a decent guess, but I'd rather get an accurate translation.

It was along the lines of "Rollout increases in strength with each attack. To think that it could knock out with (just) its second hit..."

The latter part was somewhat ambiguous, I think. It seemed to be trying to say that Geodude must have been powerful, or possibly that Azumaril wasn't very strong.

PANCAKE
15th January 2007, 2:17 PM
A lot of supposed criticisms in this thread have no basis in reality and were merely speculation based on screenshots. i.e. Elekid used Brick Break, not Thunderpunch,

I watched the episode genius. And if you bothered to read the whole thread insted of saturating it with your opinion, you'd see I commented on the mediocre animation. I don't speak Japanese to understand what the hell brick-break means. Geodude+ explained that to me thanks, so spare the lecture. And speaking of a CARTOON Geodude: It was covered in static electricity. I can't remember if ground types are effected by the static ability in the games, but whatever. Not to mention it's pretty STUPID to animate brick-break like that, fooling silly Americans like me in to believing hooey!


Edit: ^ omit angry tone.... I was in a rush......

Squirtle85
15th January 2007, 7:29 PM
The episode was great, the Gym leader gave Shinji a run for his Money. the battle was intense and Shinji was finally into trouble. Elekid almost lost the battle, he only got the advantage because his opponent had his leg hurt.

And looking at the previews.. Pikachu will get pwned...

Feity
15th January 2007, 8:10 PM
this episode started out really slow, but got better toward the end... Maybe I'm just biased 'cuzza the large amounts of Elekid kicking ***.

Pokemon Fan
15th January 2007, 9:45 PM
I watched the episode genius. And if you bothered to read the whole thread insted of saturating it with your opinion, you'd see I commented on the mediocre animation. I don't speak Japanese to understand what the hell brick-break means. Geodude+ explained that to me thanks, so spare the lecture. And speaking of a CARTOON Geodude: It was covered in static electricity. I can't remember if ground types are effected by the static ability in the games, but whatever. Not to mention it's pretty STUPID to animate brick-break like that, fooling silly Americans like me in to believing hooey!
I was not singling you out and really don't get why you're angry. Badly animated episodes happen, attack appearences change, its nothing to get too upset about (except when really important episodes get bad animation or a attack changes into a less cool-looking form). Its not as though the episodes are made with the intention of being easy to understand for Anericans watching the Japanese version.

What I was criticizing was people assuming things and taking them as gospel truth. Better to be uncertain and not prematurely judge something than to jump to a conclusion based on the words of someone who has no way to know what they're talking about. Normally it is pretty clear when someone posts if they understand any of the Japanese or not.

PANCAKE
15th January 2007, 10:00 PM
^

Oh, sorry dude. I wrote that at work and it was a quick message. I meant more of a sarcastic tone than anger. The limits of a computer I guess. Didn't mean it if I came off as a jerk. Guess I'll re read my posts from now on.

Geodude
15th January 2007, 11:46 PM
I can't remember if ground types are effected by the static ability in the games, but whatever.They are, yes.


Not to mention it's pretty STUPID to animate brick-break like thatNot really, considering it IS coming from an Electric type. Better than the generic white glow we get all the time.

And just so you know (and anyone else who doesn't know), the + is not part of my username. A few others have it too, it plus the italicized name means "Moderator +", which is sort of between a regular mod and super-mod as far as the whole hierarchy thing goes.

uber gon
16th January 2007, 9:53 AM
So Zugaidosu knows Reminessent Headbutt and Double Headbutt apparently.

Also, did Double-Edge glow in a different color than white?

FireFalcon
16th January 2007, 11:20 AM
does someone know where i can watch the episode

Leona
16th January 2007, 6:38 PM
does someone know where i can watch the episode

Why not download the torrent... from pocketmonsters.com then click "BT Tracker" first you need a bittorrent client e.g. Bitlord

Pokemon Fan
16th January 2007, 9:08 PM
^

Oh, sorry dude. I wrote that at work and it was a quick message. I meant more of a sarcastic tone than anger. The limits of a computer I guess. Didn't mean it if I came off as a jerk. Guess I'll re read my posts from now on.

No harm done, and in reference to this:


The one that I'm still bewildered about is the fight between the psychic twins. Ash ordering a thunder to the clouds which turned Pikachu and Swellow golden. Or Pikachu using agility to run ontop of a hydro pump. Or going WWE on Milotic and somersulting it's a**.
I wanted to say I have actually come up with a theory of what happened in the first case. Namely that Pikachu used its ability to manipulate electricity like a solid object to keep most of the lightning from going into Swellow and instead produced a field of electrical energy right outside their body, hence why it was referred to as "armor" and exploded whenever they hit something. Essentially changing physical moves into elemental ones would also have made it hard for Solrock and lunatone's defenses to work. Of course, it is not explained at all in depth in the show but it may have been what the writers were thinking at least.

And while perhaps not feasible, running on water attacks has been done by a number of pokemon through the series. Pikachu is no basilisk lizard (runs on water due to light weight and speed) but I think the idea was that Hydro Pump produces such a powerful and compressed stream of water that it behaves more like a physical object.

As for the throwing of Milotic... that one was just bad writing I think. I mean at least in the other cases it was commented on as amazing but here all the characters seemed to want to ignore it happening and move on.

Magical Needle Smash
16th January 2007, 10:29 PM
Also, did Double-Edge glow in a diiferent color than white?

Yeah, from what I remember, it seemed golden.

I don't really dislike glowing attacks (I guess it does help tell the difference between an actual attack and just a generic punch or tackle), but there seems to be a lack of consistency when it comes to using said glowing.

Pika Hikari KT
17th January 2007, 3:05 AM
Then it's a good thing it wasn't a Thunderpunch. It was Brick Break.
Really? And I thought it'd be another main character DEM. Shinji knew what he was doing, and his battle choices were legit--he even taught Hikozaru Dig! Smart planning ahead...what a NetBattle user.XD

uber gon
18th January 2007, 6:50 AM
Yeah, from what I remember, it seemed golden.

I don't really dislike glowing attacks (I guess it does help tell the difference between an actual attack and just a generic punch or tackle), but there seems to be a lack of consistency when it comes to using said glowing.

Well Pidgeotto's Double Edge had an actual aura surrounding it. A green aura.

pikachu146
20th January 2007, 3:10 AM
Shinji just won with pre evo Pokemon,at a disadvantage. Is it just me,or his Hizoruka and Elekid are overpowered?

Scorpi13
21st January 2007, 9:03 AM
what website do you guys/gals go to to watch the episodes

Rakurai
21st January 2007, 9:15 AM
People aren't supposed tell you things like that.

Just try a Google search or something.

Scorpi13
21st January 2007, 9:15 AM
i already try

BattleFranky~40
21st January 2007, 9:27 AM
i already try

Then you fail at the internets and shouldn't be able to actually watch them.

Dark Star
22nd January 2007, 12:09 AM
Shinji just won with pre evo Pokemon,at a disadvantage. Is it just me,or his Hizoruka and Elekid are overpowered?

I hope you know that all of Hyouta's Pokemon were Basic-Stage Pokemon too.(They aren't called pre-evo Pokemon!) Geodude, Onix, and Zugaidosu aren't evolved Pokemon. And Shinji's Azumarill IS a fully-evolved Pokemon.

Geodude
25th January 2007, 1:13 AM
Shinji just won with pre evo Pokemon,at a disadvantage.
Helps that they knew the aforementioned super-effective Brick Break and Dig...or did you not bother to read that?

BattleFranky~40
25th January 2007, 1:35 AM
Helps that they knew the aforementioned super-effective Brick Break and Dig...or did you not bother to read that?
But still, they shouldn't have worked!

Shinji is overpowereddd!

reehee
29th April 2007, 12:16 PM
Anime is different from the games, you know. Type disadvantages aren't everything there.
Perhaps Shinji trained his Pokemon well. From the looks of it, his Elekid and Chimchar tends to be the 'leading Pokemon' of his team. Maybe they were 'leveled up' more than his Azumarill.
This is just my guess, that's all.

Momogirl
28th June 2007, 1:54 AM
holy wow, this episode is awesome o_o its just like a game battle except a little different! theyre getting real technical, mentioning pokemon's special powers, and explaining attacks and stuff *_* I love that kind of thing! so cool!

WaterDragon trainer
28th June 2007, 2:03 AM
This episode was pretty good. It was cool to see a Stealth Rock as well as the Rock Head being mentioned again. Elekid was pretty great in battle. It was cool to see a Cranidos. It was also cool to see a Zen Headbutt as well as the mentioning of flinching. It was good to see the use of Blaze again. It was pretty cool to see a Mold Breaker ability.

Blaziryu
28th June 2007, 2:06 AM
I just finish watching this episode on CN. This was the best episode so far. Shinji is definitely a better battler than Ash. Shinji was absolutely right about his Azumarill, it's a "good for nothing Pokémon". I mean, how could it be defeated by Geodude with only 2 blows. I wouldn't mind if he release that pathetic Azumarill. Ash should've just stay quiet during the battle because he sound like a a complete dumba**. Shinji was using good strategies against Roark unlike Ash, who counts on dumb luck & make stupid, but miraculous strategies. He could really learn ALOT from Shinji.

YukiJadenSurvives
28th June 2007, 2:07 AM
Good episode. Includes Shinji.

YukiJadenSurvives
28th June 2007, 2:08 AM
Good episode. Includes Shinji.

chosen_one386
28th June 2007, 2:22 AM
Okay, this episode gets an automatic 10/10 from me for one simple fact: This gym battle had the most ever ability explainations and uses EVER. Rock Head, Mold Breaker, Static, and Blaze all in one battle. Thank you writers for giving these abilities a chance to shine. I hope the next gym battle in Sinnoh (and all of them for that matter) start to focus on abilities as well as the signature moves of the leaders. Stealth Rock was amazing.

Momogirl
28th June 2007, 3:17 AM
I just finish watching this episode on CN. This was the best episode so far. Shinji is definitely a better battler than Ash. Shinji was absolutely right about his Azumarill, it's a "good for nothing Pokémon". I mean, how could it be defeated by Geodude with only 2 blows. I wouldn't mind if he release that pathetic Azumarill. Ash should've just stay quiet during the battle because he sound like a a complete dumba**. Shinji was using good strategies against Roark unlike Ash, who counts on dumb luck & make stupid, but miraculous strategies. He could really learn ALOT from Shinji.


youre right that shinji is a tough battler, but I think ash is a good battler himself, he may not act like it, but his strategies really show when he fights. I would have been yelling at shinji too )< hes so mean to his poor pokemon. If yu can't tell that ash is a good battler, then you obviously don't pay attention ;D but I guess thats just your opinion. Atleast ash isnt a total jerkface and actually beleives in his pokemon :<

Endoplasmic Reticulum
28th June 2007, 3:50 AM
The music in this episode is quiet good.

On a side note, when Paul (I actually prefer Shinjii better so I'm gonna call him that) returned Chimchar and said "I'll deal with you later", it sounded like he beats his pokemon when they lose. That's why Elekid looks so angry all the time. I think Shinjii's favourite pokemon is Chimchar that's why he's always so happy. But now that he's going to beat Chimchar, the next time we see Paul I think it's gonna be an angry monferno

Super Gullwing
28th June 2007, 4:04 AM
Nice ep. ^^ It seemed short to me this time, but then I get I've seen this episode countless times already. So! Lots of abilities weere mentioned here! Mold Breaker, Rock head, Static, Blaze... finally hearing that stuff again. =]
Paul's a good battler, but he's mean. Ash could learn a lot from him... his battling styles I mean.

Ooooh, I've been saying Roark's name right. Woohoo! <3 But I've been saying Cranidos wrong. How poo. I've been saying 'cran' like 'can' with and 'r', ih, dos, when it's crane-ee-dos. XP Desu, I hope I'm saying Rampardos right though... <.<;

Momogirl
28th June 2007, 4:07 AM
On a side note, when Paul (I actually prefer Shinjii better so I'm gonna call him that) returned Chimchar and said "I'll deal with you later", it sounded like he beats his pokemon when they lose.

haha oh wow. that is EXACTLY what I thought when he said that too! xDD

S.Suikun
28th June 2007, 5:10 AM
Roark's voice was pretty good. A huge step up from that wannabe-Aussie accent they gave that Bugsy look-alike a couple episodes back. Apparently I've also been mispronouncing Cranidos also (saying CRAY-NIH-DOSE instead of CRAY-NEE-DOSE), though I suppose that way makes sense, considering it derives from "cranium" and all. It just doesn't roll as easily.

While it's nice to see a rival battle a gym leader for the first time in 9 years, I'm also glad this doesn't become a constantly recurring thing. Used sparingly, though, it works quite well.

[size=1]The music in this episode is quiet good.
They kept the Movie 7 stuff, which surprised me in a good way.

Kuroshi
28th June 2007, 6:19 AM
Paul and Roark were awesome. Paul really does have great battles, and as was said before, it was nice having all the technical aspects of the attacks and abilities aknowledged in the anime.

Brock mentioned the fact that he raised an Onix!

Ash was all over Paul critisizing everything hid did from the sidelines. It was fun seeing that side of Ash, the heckler.

Chimchar and Elekid kicked major butt, even with the Stealth Rock in effect.

King Wulfharth
28th June 2007, 9:31 AM
good show I like that they acknowledged actual battle techinques and weakness and resistances unlike gymbaliar where Croagunk used poison jab on scizor o.0 the battle was intense and paul did and amazing job Roark voice was good to but the whole I talk to fossils thing creep me out

Medea
28th June 2007, 12:19 PM
This gym battle had the most ever ability explainations and uses EVER.
Agreed!

-Roark's voice rocks! Fits him!
-Ugh, great Paul! Alright, I'm not too thrilled about Paul whatsoever. And the way he talks to his pokemon and treats his pokemon, irritating. I know I'm sounding like Ash right now!
-Well, one funny thing Paul said was "Do I know you?" when he sees Ash, Dawn, and Brock.
-Usually, I want Ash to lose gym battles every once and a while, but this time I so wanted to see Paul lose. Don't ask, I just do.
-Seeing the way Dawn reacted over a gym battle, I was so afraid to see if she was going to switch sides and play for both sides of the fence (like Nando).

Wynaut?
28th June 2007, 2:46 PM
Awesome gym episode, and we haven't even seen Ash's battle yet. :p

It was nice to see some abilities and new moves getting a mention.

Paul's 'Duh!' early on in the ep gave me some laughs. :p As did Team Rocket's coal mining motto. Overall good episode. 9/10

ShinyLucario
28th June 2007, 2:55 PM
The battling was actually quiet good in this episode. Thank god for abilities.

YukiJadenSurvives
28th June 2007, 8:12 PM
Too bad we won't see Shinji after awhile. ><

reehee
28th June 2007, 8:15 PM
Shinji appears in next episode...though not battling...

Roark's voice really suits him. And finally I got to hear how to pronounce Cranidos...

And Brock kindly explained about the abilities that took effect in the battle. That helped a lot to understand what was going on. ^^;

Jonouchi
28th June 2007, 8:15 PM
-Usually, I want Ash to lose gym battles every once and a while, but this time I so wanted to see Paul lose. Don't ask, I just do.

You're not the only one who'd like to see that. =P

Good Episode. I really like Roark's voice. The battle was really intense!

Korobooshi Kojiro
28th June 2007, 8:18 PM
I love Paul, but he does need to lose eventually.

I expect either Shirley or CRASHER WAKE will do that.

scissorX
28th June 2007, 8:20 PM
Roark was pretty cool, he had the exact sort of laid back nice guy personality that suits him.

Paul on the other hand was better, I really like how their developing him to actually be a mean rival. Kudos to the writers.

Momogirl
28th June 2007, 10:04 PM
lol yea, when he was talking to the fossil I was like "aw..thats cute. hes just a little bit crazy : D"

-Starly-
28th June 2007, 10:13 PM
I love Paul, but he does need to lose eventually.

I expect either Shirley or CRASHER WAKE will do that.
Just wondering, who's Shirley?

Reign G
29th June 2007, 6:17 AM
Best part of the entire episode was Paul's "Duh!" at Ash outside the gym. His face made him look surprised at something, though...

Anway, apparenly I've also mispronounced Cranidos. I said Crain-Uh-Dos, but it's Crain-Ee-Dos. Huh.

Why'd they add electricity to Brick Break? I know Elekid's an electric Pokémon, but still...

Lotsa Abilities this time. But Blaze looked different. When May's Blaziken used it, it was a red glow. This time it's a fire. I like the fire better, but still...

I noticed that Paul always seems to be dissapointed in Chimchar, even if it gets victories (See the episode with the Stantler) Yet he never releases it. I wodner why. It can't be because he started with it, as Elekid is obviously his Starter...

I'm also seriously startting to doubt that Paul's a beginner. His Pokémon are way too skilled to be just starting out. And his Elekid...Wow...

(Woo! Rank up!)

;190;Over and Out!;190;

Ashy Boy
29th June 2007, 12:44 PM
What sort of nasty stuff did Paul say to Ash this time?

Sushi Bunny
3rd July 2007, 8:40 AM
Best part of the entire episode was Paul's "Duh!" at Ash outside the gym. His face made him look surprised at something, though...

That was my favorite part of the episode too! In the Japanese episode he didn't even say anything, he just made that face, which was enough to make me laugh for awhile, but the english episode made it ten times funnier with the "Duh!".

But I wonder if he was suprised because Ian (is that how his name is spelled?) said that it was for rock Pokemon, and he only had an Elekid and Chimchar, and an Ursaring, that is if Ursaring hasn't been released. So maybe Paul/Shinji didn't really go to the Pokemon center, but went out to find a water Pokemon, that's why it didn't do so good in the battle. All I can imagine is Shinji/Paul looking around in a pond, then spotting an Azumarill and lunging at it!

Now on to Roark. He scared me... He was talking to rocks... And the rocks were talking back...

Something else that cracked me up was Shinji/Paul saying "Good for nothing" to the azumarill, and Ash just yelling "creep!" It seemed so weird for some reason.

I just keep remembering more and more things that are funny, Shinji/Paul's very first line, "Do I know you?" Something else I've been noticing is that Ash has been saying "Whoa!" a lot "Whoa it's Paul!"

Pearl's Perap
4th July 2007, 3:11 AM
I really enjoyed this episode, mainly due to Paul being in it and, well, as usual, treating Ash like dirt, I love seeing him do that and watching Ash STILL get shocked at how he is, he might aswell give up trying to befriend him...

The gym battle was great, Paul's strategies made it entertaining to watch and each time I see it, his Chimchar makes me like that line more and more.

One thing that did...well...confuse me, was when Roark began talking to a fossil about 'old times', it was odd, to say the least, but when has pokémon ever been NOT odd?

8/10

npdargy312
18th July 2007, 10:07 AM
I wonder when Paul will finally get his Murkrow we've known about 4 a long time now

Rebeccag
2nd November 2007, 12:49 AM
lol i quite liked this episode as it was the first gym battle not counting the fake gym with team rocket and the funny moment with paul going duh was funny as well overall a good episode

Faraway_Mew
22nd December 2007, 3:27 PM
I'm guessing he's been into the whole idea of battling via strategy a whole lot longer than Ash has. They are roughly the same age, so perhaps that's why Shinji is only now starting to train pokémon? Too engrossed with the technical side of pokémon and shunning all the other elements.

Ash just never grow old at all, if he does, he'll at least be a few years older then Hikari and Shinji presuming that they are ten.

I just don't like the whole electric beat rock and ground types, just plainly DON'T make sense at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


One thing that did...well...confuse me, was when Roark began talking to a fossil about 'old times', it was odd, to say the least, but when has pokémon ever been NOT odd?

8/10

I guess it's the same case as anabel except it is the fossils this time (anabel sense feelings and talk to all living things), in the manga, Lance and Yellow could talk to pokemon, so i guess its not all that surprising.

wobbanut
23rd August 2008, 9:25 PM
It's funny that this is only the second time in the series history that Ash had to wait for someone else to finish their gym battle first (Gary in "Battle of the Badge" was first, and that one battle for May in Hoenn (Mauville?) doesn't count since it was a demonstration). Considering all the traveling he does, and how often he heard about Gary and the other Pallet trainers before him in the first few episodes, it's funny he doesn't run into this problem more often.

Anyway, this was a pretty good battle episode for Paul, and it's interesting to see how his style compares to Ash's. He's still so awful toward his pokemon, though, and I'm glad in retrospect that Chimchar didn't stay his.

Rommath
11th February 2009, 7:10 PM
Alright episode. Paul's Pokemon were okay, Chimchar and Elekid sure took a beating though. He mustn't have had Torterra with him, or perhaps the writers just didn't want to showcase it too early, because it would have been a perfect Pokemon to use. Oh well.

And, of course, Paul's attitude to Ash is funny.

Ash-kid
6th March 2009, 7:16 PM
I think that Gym battle is the best I saw!!!
I was laughting in the end of battle Elekid-Cranidos that Elekid was supposed to fall like Cranidos,but did not fell.

Blue Snover
9th March 2009, 4:28 PM
I was surprised that Elekid lasted as long as it did, especially in a rock gym.

(s.i.e)
10th March 2009, 2:34 PM
I was surprised that Elekid lasted as long as it did, especially in a rock gym.

why that? rock deals normal damage to electric types as far as i'm concerned, electric attacks have no use on rock however.

Littlemyuu
27th April 2009, 5:24 PM
it was a nice episode, Paul did good in it

Ash-kid
13th May 2009, 11:50 AM
I wish that the writers will show Paul's 8th gym.
This battle was the best. Paul with 2 week pokemon(Elekid, Chimchar)won 3 strong pokemon.

S.Suikun
22nd May 2009, 7:49 AM
For the record, I have gone back and lowered a few of my earlier grades now that I've established a firm rating system, and since this episode isn't perfect but probably stomps on any previous DP episode up to this point.

Over 100 episodes later, and Shinji is still the hatable little prick he was way back in simpler times. Looking back on these so-called simpler times, we can get a glimpse of how the writers intelligently established him thoroughly early in the game, unlike Shigeru or Shuu. And really, showing his match against Hyouta is a fantastic idea that gives us a reprieve from just seeing Satoshi all the time (sure, we saw Shigeru vs. Sakaki a decade earlier, but that ended in a flash). Not only that, but the battle is excellent, on top of essentially being a game elitist's orgasmic 22 minutes with all the abilities and attack dynamics being shown off. But even for those of us who could not give a rat's about what the hell "Static" does, it's still Sinnoh's best episode to this point.

Now, while Hyouta gets an unprecedented six episodes of exposure, he's actually a rather dry character outside being a fossil fanatic. I feel they could have developed him further or at least given him some characteristic that stands out, which is this episode's one and only faltering. Otherwise, the battle is intense and down-to-the-wire, as we start to get more of a sense of how competent Shinji is as a trainer. On top of some early Hikozaru foreshadowing, we see not only how strategic Shinji is, but how he's willing to let his Pokemon get harmed if it means a win. Team Rocket is also used well here (and in the next episode), setting up their big scheme in DP017 over the course of a few episodes so that little time is wasted. This is also a very violent episode, for the record, but one that uses violence to portray special abilities nicely, which we don't get too often in the anime.

A-

Lorde
8th December 2009, 4:51 PM
I've noticed that the best Sinnoh episodes seem to feature Paul battling a tough opponent. Well, this was a great way to showcase Paul's Pokemon as well as his battle strategies. Roark really did push Paul all the way though, and that was intense. Paul managed to win the badge but he was able to showcase a lot of talent and ability in doing so. 8/10.

KGB13
15th January 2010, 7:25 AM
This Gym battle was quite entertaining. Paul's got some seriously tough pokemon that can sustain a lot of damage and dish it out. Elekid and Chimchar did surprisingly good considering they were at a huge disadvantage against all of Roark's pokemon. I really liked this episode and hope that Ash's battle is just as good.

swampertlover5712
15th January 2010, 1:03 PM
i found the battle intersting, considering the fact Paul didn't have a water-type. he just had Elekid and Chimchar, good battle. ;)
8/10

Willow's Tara
31st May 2010, 9:04 AM
Not too bad. I laughed when Paul said to Dawn "Who are you? lol he probably didn't care to remember it anyways. It was a nice match between Roark and Paul.

I do agree it's a bit weird that Roark talks to fossils, alot more then when Anabel talked to Pokemon because they were living things. I guess it's one of those quirky things (Although Gardenia's quirks are the best out of the Sinnoh leaders I have seen Roark-Fantina, haven't seen the remaining lot).

saar
8th July 2010, 3:47 PM
Paul has proved in this episode he is a good trainer, and even more than that- an amazing trainer. Maybe his training style(with releasing Azumaril)was bad, but he has a great strategy, and Roark couldn't have done nothing to stop him.

~Platinum~
22nd July 2010, 5:45 AM
A gym battle that isn't the gym leader vs a member of the main cast?! I love all the new stuff that's getting thrown in this saga. When this episode first aired I was really mad at Paul for releasing Azumarill due to the fact that its a final stage evolution pokemon, but now knowing his full team and various reserves of his I am more mad that he didn't use Torterra for the gym battle. Also in this episode we learn that Paul is from Veilstone City, which gets ultimately crammed down our throats when the twerps actually reach Veilstone City.
Roark's Cranidos certainly knows a variety of moves. And Onix's Stealth Rock attack was a rather large and interesting factor in this gym battle. And the various abilities of both trainers' pokemon was another large and interesting factor.
Paul had some funny lines in this episode. I laughed when he said "Duh!" to Ash and "Who are you?" to Dawn, I guess Ash is the only twerp Paul considers a threat, or at least worth noticing. This episode was quite the gym battle of chaos and I enjoyed it very much.

Painkiller2001
7th November 2010, 10:08 PM
Too reinstate this....

Zugaidosu is perfectly vunerable too Electric attacks.

I'm also confused about what all the fuss is about.....I mean, Hyouta is an early Gym Leader. I don't get the big deal of him losing. And, he WINS in the next one and gets 2 more episodes.


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O____O!!!!



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Hehe, Zugaidos <3

Awwwwwww! I just want to hug 'im!


Yeah, that's typical Izumi Shimura. About as bland and average as it gets. Some of Hyouta's face shots looked really sloppy, also. Case in point:
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If it's any consolidation, however, next week's episode has a very solid animation director at the wing.

Cooooool.


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"Hmm..it appears Hyouta has sent out a Rock Type pokémon. Most Rock Type pokémon can learn ground type moves, and being at level 12, my Hikozaru will more than likely faint with one shake of the screen. Hikozaru's Attack Stats are quite high, however. So perhaps I can KO his Zugaidos in one hit? If not, I'm sure I'll be able to walk over to Hikozaru in the middle of the match and give him a Super Potion. Useless."


Next time on POKETTO MONSUTAA: DAIMOND AND PEARL!!!: Ash decides to level up his Naetle by battling Mukurus in the tall grass. Will Naetle grow to level 17 by the end of the episode?! Will Ash delete one move to make way for Curse?! Will he backtrack to the next town to purchase some more Pokéballs?! Will he discover that Murkrow isn't exclusive to his version?!

That would be funny to actually see in the anime!

I actually did not expect Paul to win this battle. I thought he was going to lose. Not that Paul deserved to lose. I don't like him but I don't hate the guy.

Lance The Champ
28th November 2010, 10:11 AM
Paul strategy is so amazing unlike any other trainer.... It shows he utilizes his pokemon's abilties to the utmost

Caseydia
25th April 2011, 12:42 AM
Poor Chimchar.

G50
27th April 2011, 6:49 AM
This episode was good. It was cool to finally see a Gym battle by somebody other than Ash. Paul did well in his gym battle. He really showed he doesn't care about the well-being of his Pokemon, letting them get hard hit by Stealth Rock. Not happy that Paul got rid of his Azumarrill after losing to Geodude. His strategy was very good. It was cool to see Cranidos for the 1st time. Cranidos is strong and has strong attacks.

69/100

BurningSociety12345543210
16th June 2012, 9:51 PM
When I first saw this, I did not expect Paul to send out a stupid looking pokemon like Azumarill. I actually thought this battle made Paul look kind of weak because Azumarill lost against a Geodude and he had to rely on Elekid to win. :/


Poor Chimchar.

Chimchar? What about Cranidos? xD

Dawn+Serena Fan
26th July 2012, 2:36 AM
I watched this episode the other day and it is 1 of my favorite episodes. I love how intense the battle between Paul and Roark is. Elekid using brick break through Craniados' flamethrower was epic. I give it a 9/10!

KingMinun
20th June 2013, 8:12 PM
Rewatching this episode, I now realise how great it was. It was such a great and unique way to show off the gym to new viewers, whilst also not having Ash seem dumb like he is in BW. It also showed off some great abilities to new viewers such as Blaze, Static and Rock Head, and explained how they are all activated. It was a good episode for teaching people who are new to pokemon about different abilities and also typing. I'd like to see this again in the future, show off the first gym leader by showing someone else battle them first, and have the gang commentate like Ash, Brock and Dawn did, it shows that Ash understands different strategies too.

J Ken
24th July 2013, 8:55 PM
It sucks how the only Paul Gym Battle we see is the one where he barely wins. :( But eitherway it was an awesome battle.

PokemontrainerY
29th August 2013, 11:34 PM
Meh, I didn't enjoy this episode. Ash and the others meets gym leader Roark, but unfortunately Paul challeges Roark before Ash. Paul's Azumarill lost, but Elekid got the wins in the gym battle.
I didn't expect Paul to sent out an Azumaril of all Pokémon ...... It was sad to see Azumaril losing terribly and then getting insults from Paul.

Lorde
24th November 2014, 12:07 AM
Oreburgh City looked great in the anime in my opinion. I thought that Team Rocket disguised as workers at the mine was funny, and I liked how Roark reacted to find that Skull Fossil as well. Paul vs. Roark was pretty awesome, although I was irked that Paul's Azumarill lost to Geodude. It was really weak, but at least Paul's Elekid got to shine.

Painkiller2001
12th December 2014, 3:01 AM
I forgot how intense towards the end of the battle got.