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aquajet16
6th May 2008, 2:57 PM
I would really prefer the co-educational schools because a student can mingle with the opposite sex. Also, single-sex schools promote homosexuality because of its single-sex environment.

But the problem with co-educational schools is that it isgenerally recognized that students at single-sex schools have a higher exam attainment than those at co-educational schools. Why this is so, is much disputed. Not surprisingly, the advocates of single-sex schools claim they are ‘better’ educationally while the co-eds are likely to argue that the students to the single-sex schools represent a more academic or socially advantaged group. So which is better a coed school or a single-sex school?

muumajii23
6th May 2008, 3:49 PM
Your reasoning behind why there should be co-ed schools is exactly why single-sex schools are better academically (sp?). There is nothing to distract them.

There is also the fact that boys and girls learn differently. Boys should actually start schooling one year after they do start. Our school systems are too accustomed to how girls learn and doesn't do anything for the boys.

P.S. If this Debate continues, i'll be really happy. This is one of the things I b**** about everyday! ^_^

MareepMan
6th May 2008, 3:58 PM
single-sex schools promote homosexuality

I go to a single sex school and I can tell you this is far from the truth. Teachers and Parents don't encourage homosexuality in single sex schools any more than they do in mixed sex schools. I think this is a myth that is generally associated with single sex schools and puts people off going to them even if they're doing better in the academic side of things.

As for schools in my area. The best are the all boys school I go to and the all girls school, but these are grammar schools (in Britain we have grammar schools where you get selected from doing a test when your 11 years old. Only the top 120 in this test can go there). Therefore I would say that single sex schools can be more choosy about who they select.

However, the best state schools in my area are arguably some of the mixed sex schools so it's not all one sided.

aquajet16
6th May 2008, 4:12 PM
I go to a single sex school and I can tell you this is far from the truth. Teachers and Parents don't encourage homosexuality in single sex schools any more than they do in mixed sex schools. I think this is a myth that is generally associated with single sex schools and puts people off going to them even if they're doing better in the academic side of things.


What I mean is that in a single-sex school, homosexuality has more likely of a chance to be the sexuality of the individual. This is due to a lack of the opposite sex in their environment thus they settle to their classmates of the same sex. Environment is the most probable aspect of homosexuality.

MareepMan
6th May 2008, 4:25 PM
ok i get your point that in single sex schools you don't have the opposite sex and yes the environment of a single sex school might make you think that it ends up in homosexuality. But the fact of the matter is, it is a common myth.

When I came to my single sex school, I had come from a mixed sex school and had done fine. I had got my grades and done well socially and got into this school. Now, the one thing that people in my old school said to me was: "Don't go there, they'll turn you gay". At the time, we were only 11 and to be honest, looking at single sex schools like that is a bit immature. I'm 16 now and yes there are gays in my school, but it doesn't mean everyone turns gay.

Can you please explain what you mean by most probable chance of homosexuality. Do you mean that all people in single sex schools turn gay, or there is more chance and if it is the latter, by how much more chance than at mixed sex schools. I do know gay people in my school, but I believe the figure is that 10% of people are gay or bi (I'll have to check that), and to be honest, there aren't any more than that figure in my school.

Also (Finally), the people in single sex schools often have friends out side their school that are of the opposite sex. Just because people go to a single sex school doesn't mean they still don't get to interact with the opposite sex.

Yonowaru in Chaos
6th May 2008, 4:36 PM
What I mean is that in a single-sex school, homosexuality has more likely of a chance to be the sexuality of the individual. This is due to a lack of the opposite sex in their environment thus they settle to their classmates of the same sex. Environment is the most probable aspect of homosexuality.

First you put homosexuality as a 'negative' effect of single-sex schools. I will not comment on that.

Now, you say that single-sex schools promote homosexuality because they are around the same sex of people. But you also have to account for the fact that children take a lot of habits and opinions out of the environment around them.

To put this in to perspective, lets say that you're a guy and your given two choices:
One, to go to an all-boys school
Two, to go to an all-girls school (assuming it is possible)

If he chose to an all-girl's school, wouldn't this encourage homosexuality to a greater degree? The guy takes a lot of habits out of his female classmates and generally, he has no other male friends to mingle with. In an another example, if a girl lost his father, would she become homosexual because her only role model was the same sex as her?

The Admiral
6th May 2008, 4:46 PM
First you put homosexuality as a 'negative' effect of single-sex schools. I will not comment on that.

Ironically, I think you just did. But so you don't have to, I will:

TAKE YOUR BIGOTRY ELSEWHERE, KID.

Bigotry is not debate.


Also, single-sex schools promote homosexuality because of its single-sex environment.

Burden of Proof, mother****er, do you speak it? I shouldn't have to point at this.


But the problem with co-educational schools is that it isgenerally recognized that students at single-sex schools have a higher exam attainment than those at co-educational schools. Why this is so, is much disputed.

It's because single-sex schools don't promote homosexuality, heterosexuals are the majority, and as such, at co-ed schools, kids will be more likely to be distracted.*

*Note: I'm talking out of my *** on this one, but I felt the need to say this.


What I mean is that in a single-sex school, homosexuality has more likely of a chance to be the sexuality of the individual. This is due to a lack of the opposite sex in their environment thus they settle to their classmates of the same sex. Environment is the most probable aspect of homosexuality.

Not necessarily. The lack of females will not necessarily make the men gay. Other factors come into play; it may accentuate it, but not nearly as much as other factors, mostly because it's environmental, while 99% of the others are all in your head, best I can tell...

HyenaHaze
6th May 2008, 4:49 PM
I'm not allowed anywhere near Catholic all-girl schools. On that topic, I'm going to be a lesbian no matter where I go, so.....

Brettt
6th May 2008, 5:00 PM
To say which is better, you must think what you consider more important: Intelligence or social skills? I personally believe that the more beneficial of the two are co-ed schools, because despite the higher average GPA of single-sex schools, social skills are just as valuable. Having no social contact with the opposite-sex can severely hinder one's ability to use that higher-than-average intelligence, thus the two kind of cancel each other out. Plus, its still possible to get good grades at a co-ed school, and its much more difficult for children in a single sex school to have regular contact with the opposite-sex. I'm not saying its impossible, I'm simply saying thats more difficult.

MareepMan
6th May 2008, 5:09 PM
I have to admit, that to an extent I agree with Brettt because throwing the previous posts aside about homosexuality, people in single sex schools do often find it hard to mingle outside school. I know I do. However, saying that people in single sex schools do also go out with those of the opposite sex as people usually have friends in other schools and you go out to the cinema with them from time to time. So you do get some contact with the opposite sex.

Also, about grades. Single sex schools don't have it all their way when it comes to having the best education. For instance, there are quite a few people in my year that are predicted to get very bad grades. Yet at the same time you can have people from other mixed schools get very good grades. But, the idea that you have a single sex means you don't get "distractions" from the opposite sex and is meant to make it easier to focus on exams.

PinoyfuryZ
6th May 2008, 5:09 PM
I went to an all boy high school and when I came to college, I was still able to socialize with the women no problem. Infact I am also in a Fraternity, and I have to work and socialize with alot of women and men from other organizations. My other classmates also had no problem in college, and they infact all have girlfriends and are the biggest flirts I have ever met. I think its because since they werent around girls as often as they liked during high school, they let it all out in college. LOL

Brettt
6th May 2008, 5:17 PM
Also, about grades. Single sex schools don't have it all their way when it comes to having the best education. For instance, there are quite a few people in my year that are predicted to get very bad grades. Yet at the same time you can have people from other mixed schools get very good grades. But, the idea that you have a single sex means you don't get "distractions" from the opposite sex and is meant to make it easier to focus on exams.

My cousin goes to an all girl school, and she fails utterly, and goes out drinking with guys every weekend. So there are some anomalies, but there are some conformed to a certain lifestyle because of what the schools gender policy is.

MareepMan
6th May 2008, 5:21 PM
yes I definitely know what you mean. My sister goes to an all girls school and she isn't doing well grade wise, but she still has a load of friends that are boys so she is an anomaly too i guess lol

Brettt
6th May 2008, 5:29 PM
yes I definitely know what you mean. My sister goes to an all girls school and she isn't doing well grade wise, but she still has a load of friends that are boys so she is an anomaly too i guess lol

I guess it seems there is less variety between co-ed and single-sex schools. There is a plethora of different amounts of people in co-ed schools, and while that may be the same with single-sex schools, it is basically split between the ones who socialize outside of schoolmore frequently and do worse academically and those who socialize less, but do better academically.

aquajet16
6th May 2008, 5:37 PM
But the problem with co-educational schools is that these students are most likely more prone to premarital sex and relationships. Students who are in co-ed schools focus more on relationships and sex rather than academics so that explains why single-sex school students get higher grades.


Not necessarily. The lack of females will not necessarily make the men gay. Other factors come into play; it may accentuate it, but not nearly as much as other factors, mostly because it's environmental, while 99% of the others are all in your head, best I can tell...

I know that but environment caused homosexuality is a more probable cause rather than genetics and other reasons/scapegoats.

Brettt
6th May 2008, 5:42 PM
But the problem with co-educational schools is that these students are most likely more prone to premarital sex and relationships. Students who are in co-ed schools focus more on relationships and sex rather than academics so that explains why single-sex school students get higher grades.

But that is really just personality differences. There are people who are less concupiscent in co-ed schools, that DO focus on academics, its just not as widespread problem as it is in a single sex school. What would you rather have running a future nation, someone smart with no social ability whatsoever, or someone who can talk his way into office, through public relations, although they are somewhat lacking in the intelligence department? ( I do realize that this is rather extreme. I'm not saying this is, or ever is, the case, I was simply taking each spectrum into extremes for the purpose of this arguement)

Jenni
6th May 2008, 5:43 PM
I'm not allowed anywhere near Catholic all-girl schools. On that topic, I'm going to be a lesbian no matter where I go, so.....

You're a girl?

aquajet16
6th May 2008, 5:55 PM
But that is really just personality differences. There are people who are less concupiscent in co-ed schools, that DO focus on academics, its just not as widespread problem as it is in a single sex school.

But personality changes according to environment and also about the peer pressure thing. Modern youths today often get girlfriends or boyfriends to look cool and mature in a society.

MareepMan
6th May 2008, 6:16 PM
But personality changes according to environment and also about the peer pressure thing. Modern youths today often get girlfriends or boyfriends to look cool and mature in a society.

yes personality's do change due to the environment. But people who go to coed and single sex schools both have the same out of school environment. Most peopl spend about 7 hours a day in school, which seems a lot, but there is time for socialising afterwards. Those 7 hours are a lot, but the fact is that on both types of schools, people have the same opportunities to develop social skills outside them, as well as learn more academically within them. It's up to the person to decide if they want college smarts or street smarts.

Brettt
6th May 2008, 6:44 PM
Yes, each person is an anomaly respecitvely, each person is different, personality is a big factor etc etc etc. But honestly, we are looking at these results as a group, where there is some arguement. There is no arguement if we just boil it down to each individual.

Its basically a matter of personal preference, and looking at successful people in the world today. Did they go to co-ed or single sex schools? And do they focus more on things you learn academically, or on relations with people and the public?

Strants
7th May 2008, 12:41 AM
But the problem with co-educational schools is that these students are most likely more prone to premarital sex and relationships. Students who are in co-ed schools focus more on relationships and sex rather than academics so that explains why single-sex school students get higher grades.What group is most likely to be in a single sex school? I'm going to assume it is a kid who has pretty restrictive parents as far a sex goes. You may be connecting two unrelated things.

Profesco
7th May 2008, 3:51 AM
Why are single-sex schools single-sex? Is there one specific reason?

Ariki
7th May 2008, 9:04 AM
I don't know. I went to a co-ed school and I turned out fine.

I had some friends who went to a single-sex (male) school. I think they've turned out ok as well.

As for the whole "single sex schools are better because you don't get distracted by the opposite sex" tell that to the homosexual individuals who may discover their homosexuality at a single sex school.

Regardless of which school you go to one's sexuality will always be awakened and aroused. Its a natural part of life - trying to fight it isn't going to help. But working with it to manage the urges and desires can go along way to help one keep focused.

Anyone can thrive academically in any environment as long as they have drive, will power and are studying something that they are passionate about. The gender environment has no effect. However, I do agree that education is biased in favour of girls these days and that boys are suffering because of it. However the answer doesn't lie in segregation it lies in teacher's coming up with better lesson plans that engage boys and girls in different ways and activities.

Also, boys should not be penalized for being active in class. I'd like to see martial arts implemented in a curriculum to help boys learn self discipline and learn how to spar.

Ariki
7th May 2008, 9:06 AM
accidental double-post

Regan
7th May 2008, 9:09 AM
Also, single-sex schools promote homosexuality because of its single-sex environment.

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ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Ref, straight away.

I attend an all boys school, and i can say this with confidence.

Single sex schools in general do not promote homosexuality, the person does it themselves.

And from experience, i can say that boys do not stand in the classroom rubbing their ****s together, but work better together, and incite competition. Males are, after all, very competitive towards each other. If anything, it incites violence, not a big homosexual orgie.

I raise another question,

Since when is being homosexuality a bad thing? How does it make co-ed schools better?


As for the whole "single sex schools are better because you don't get distracted by the opposite sex" tell that to the homosexual individuals who may discover their homosexuality at a single sex school.

Is it the single sex school's fault that the person discovered there sexuality there? There are alot of places that have lots of males together in a group, such as the military. Does this turn them all gay?


Regardless of which school you go to one's sexuality will always be awakened and aroused. Its a natural part of life - trying to fight it isn't going to help. But working with it to manage the urges and desires can go along way to help one keep focused.

Manage the urges and desires?


Anyone can thrive academically in any environment as long as they have drive, will power and are studying something that they are passionate about. The gender environment has no effect.

It does, actually. Females distract males. Males distract females. Duhh.


However, I do agree that education is biased in favour of girls these days and that boys are suffering because of it. However the answer doesn't lie in segregation it lies in teacher's coming up with better lesson plans that engage boys and girls in different ways and activities.

I believe that is segregation.. Yep :) Remind anyone of the times where woman weren't allowed to do math because they had smaller brains? <sarcasm> Lets elliminate maths for males! That way they'll be able to keep up!</sarcasm>


Also, boys should not be penalized for being active in class.

They're penalised? Where? When?


I'd like to see martial arts implemented in a curriculum to help boys learn self discipline and learn how to spar.

Alot of other things help people learn self discipline. Why martial arts?


Also, at least in the country i live, single sex schools perform better.

1st. St Cuthburts (Single Sex Girls)
2nd. Auckland Boys Grammar (Single Sex Boys)

These are the only verified answers i could find, but the article doesn't show a co-ed school till 9th (which may or may not be true)

Hakajin
7th May 2008, 9:51 AM
What I mean is that in a single-sex school, homosexuality has more likely of a chance to be the sexuality of the individual. This is due to a lack of the opposite sex in their environment thus they settle to their classmates of the same sex. Environment is the most probable aspect of homosexuality.

That is definitely not true. I attend a women's college, and 25% of the campus is lesbian. That's considered a high percentage. It's not that going to a single sex school makes you homosexual, it's that homosexuals like to attend them because they have a better chance of finding a mate there. Environment does play a role in sexual persuasion, but the genetic component is stronger, and environment is very unlikely to play such a large role so late in life.

Anyway, I think both are good. It's probably not a good idea to go to a single-sex school for your entire education, because interaction with the opposite sex is important.

On the other hand, attending a women's college has a good impact on women. There's something called stereotype threat, which means that a minority will do poorer on tests than the majority. They are often stereotyped as being less intelligent, and that can be internalized. There's also the pressure to perform better and represent your sex. This problem is virtually non-existant at a women's college. There's also a lot more focus on women learning about and developing their own strengths. I've gained a lot of confidence from this.

There's a more relaxed feel to campus, too. You don't feel like you have to impress guys, and you can talk about any girl subject you want. And, like someone already said, there aren't as many distractions.

I do miss getting to mix with the opposite sex, but there are two major universities right near my campus that are primarily male. And I do feel a closer bond with my female companions than I think I would at a coed college.

MareepMan
7th May 2008, 10:31 AM
@ Profesco - I'm not entirely sure why you get single sex schools. But I do know that from going to one you do tend to get less problems regarding relationships etc although there are some there but a lot less pronounced.

Rensch
7th May 2008, 11:36 AM
Yeah, each person is different. So it doesn't make sense to put kids in single-sex schools. Sex is just another difference kids can have, just like character, hair color, race, sexual orientation, religious faiths etc. etc. etc.

Regan
7th May 2008, 11:42 AM
Yeah, each person is different. So it doesn't make sense to put kids in single-sex schools. Sex is just another difference kids can have, just like character, hair color, race, sexual orientation, religious faiths etc. etc. etc.

I believe they still seperate schools on religious faiths, just as they should with sex. Im not a supporter of single sex schools for your entire schooling life, but i believe after a certain age its better. High school seems a good time. Co-Ed schools are often more sociable, but ****, if your going to school to meet girls, quit and go sit in a crowded corner :) Its an unnessecary distraction, in an already confusing time.

Conquistador
7th May 2008, 12:05 PM
Well, I went to a co-educational school for the first 7 years of schooling before proceeding to an all-boys school so I can say with some confidence that I can make comparison quite well.

Co-education does not help learning. For me at least, and my friend. It might just be me but I know I certainly learn much more much better in a single-sex environment. I don't have to worry about social issues or anything like that and I can just get down to my work.

Single-sex schools don't affect social lives. I hardly see how it would. The only real time for socializing affectively at school is during the breaks. After school, especially on public transport, you see students of the opposite sex from their respective schools coming home too. You have plenty of time to catch up and chat. And then their are weekends. Surely if a friendship is good enough, you'd be bothered to make arrangements to say, see a movie, on the weekend? If you can't be bothered, then the friendship can't be that strong. Plenty of time on the weekend to socialize.

Profesco
7th May 2008, 2:20 PM
Thanks, Mareepman. I just thought if we knew of a specific reason for having single-sex schools, we could better debate the reasons one type is better than the other.

As of right now, I'm agreeing with Conquistador and Regan. Single-sex schools apparently don't have a detrimental effect on social skills, so I think they're slightly better. The primary function of any school is education; socialization comes afterward. Any school with a stronger focus on, or better environment for education is tops in my book.

MareepMan
7th May 2008, 3:01 PM
I think a big problem here is defining what is "better". The prime function of a school is as an educational facility, yet at school you need to learn how to function as an adult and get on with people not just academics.

However, I will go along with Profesco in sayin that you tend to get better grades at single-sex schools and therefore they're marginally better as you can still learn the social skills outside school rather than learning academics outside school.

.TraX.
8th May 2008, 8:31 AM
The benefits of "coed" schools is basically thus: life skills.

Got to learn how to interact with the opposite gender somehow, and if you're a really quiet person it's not happening any other way during school years.

Conquistador
8th May 2008, 9:06 AM
The benefits of "coed" schools is basically thus: life skills.

Got to learn how to interact with the opposite gender somehow, and if you're a really quiet person it's not happening any other way during school years.

I disagree. In school the primary aim is education and socializing really doesn't play that big of a role. As I've said, there are other times and places to socialize just the same as if everyone was in the same school.

aquajet16
9th May 2008, 9:02 PM
I attend an all boys school, and i can say this with confidence.

Single sex schools in general do not promote homosexuality, the person does it themselves.

And from experience, i can say that boys do not stand in the classroom rubbing their ****s together, but work better together, and incite competition. Males are, after all, very competitive towards each other. If anything, it incites violence, not a big homosexual orgie.

Well, let me expound my previous sentence. Single sex schools may not promote homosexuality but due to the environment which plays a good role in the development of homosexuality in an individual.

cascade88
9th May 2008, 9:07 PM
I think a coed school is a better, more normal environment. I mean, once you get out into the real world, women don't only associate with other women, and guys with other guys, so what's the real point in keeping genders separated in school?
I mean, I know the arguement that if separated, girls and guys will have a less likely chance to...do things they probably shouldn't be doing together yet, but hey, if it's in them to wanna do that, then they're gonna do that anyway, regardless of whether they're in the same class or not.

randomspot555
9th May 2008, 9:25 PM
I would really prefer the co-educational schools because a student can mingle with the opposite sex. Also, single-sex schools promote homosexuality because of its single-sex environment.

Quoting this so you can't edit this piece of idiocy out later.

Source?

You keep on spouting about "People spend a lot of time in school, thus single sex school=homo."

People spend a lot of time around their families too, maybe even more then at school. Does that promote incest?

Teachers at the elementary and high school level spend a lot more time with young kids. Are they more likely to become pedophiles or child molestors?

Also, please, source your ridiculous claim in your first post. If you're going to make a farfetched claim like that, you have to get a source to back you up. If you don't have one, why did you start this topic?

aquajet16
9th May 2008, 10:28 PM
Quoting this so you can't edit this piece of idiocy out later.

Yes, but in the limited sense. Consider prison: when guys enter prison, they either become the rapist, or the raped. These feelings of homosexual attraction (using that term loosely) are only defined by availability. When these cons get out of prison, they revert back to their previous heterosexuality. In a single-sex school, homosexual feelings and attitudes might develop, but may not last as the students are injected into a heterosexual society.

However, I think that it really depends on the school. My cousin attended a single-sex high school in our place and he said that homosexuality was not so widespread, as they had various opportunities to interact with girls both in and out of school. I also know of a single-sex boarding school in here where butt rape is all over the place, but if you asked, most of the students would say they were straight.


People spend a lot of time in school, thus single sex school=homo.

I didn't say that, what I am trying to say is that that physical environment where they are in lacks the opposite sex.

And here (http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/sex/s_homo_sch.htm)'s a source

Hunter_RuLe
9th May 2008, 10:49 PM
I'm not sure coed schools are actually better than single-sex schools, but I highly prefer the first one. In my opion school is a preperation for the rest of your life/career in which you will have to communicate with both males and females aswell.

randomspot555
10th May 2008, 12:04 AM
Yes, but in the limited sense. Consider prison: when guys enter prison, they either become the rapist, or the raped. These feelings of homosexual attraction (using that term loosely) are only defined by availability. When these cons get out of prison, they revert back to their previous heterosexuality. In a single-sex school, homosexual feelings and attitudes might develop, but may not last as the students are injected into a heterosexual society.

To paraphrase MS-Dos, Prison!=School



And here (http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/sex/s_homo_sch.htm)'s a source

You seriously need to stop posting if you think that's a reliable source.

Try giving me a non-biased, reliable source. And don't just throw up a link with tons of words. Quote the relevant section.

MareepMan
10th May 2008, 12:55 AM
I mean, once you get out into the real world, women don't only associate with other women, and guys with other guys, so what's the real point in keeping genders separated in school?

You never see massive groups of men and women going to get a kebab on a saturday night do you? You generally find that men and women tend to go out in groups of the same sex when they go out socialising. Men and women tend to get together when they want to have a relationship.

@ aquajet16 - I get your point about the environment and raised chance of homosexuality, but I don't see how this makes the school bad and also I don't see how you can relate schools to prisons: pupils aren't sex starved they just haven't experienced the world to go out and have sex all the time yet.

Jazzy
10th May 2008, 1:35 AM
Another point many of you havent noticed: single sex schools are generally private schools, who either take rich people, who are generally under pressure form their parents to do well, or people who have been awarded scholarships, which means they were smart to begin with. Also, saying co ed schools are much more focused on relationships isnt really true. There are about 15% of people in my year level in a relationship.

And is that wrong? it gives them some knowledge you cant get in a single sex school, and lets them experience a relationship first hand.

MareepMan
10th May 2008, 1:38 AM
@ Jazzy - It is true that the single sex schools are either private or you have to pass an exam to get into if they're not. But the only thing you get different between the two is the fact you don't have the relationship issues in the single sex schools. You still get the fights and the bad behaviour, and to an extent peoples weaknesses in the single sex schools become amplified to such an extent that they get bullied for it.

The_Panda
10th May 2008, 1:55 AM
I like the idea of having classes over school separated... I agree that having the other sex in the classroom can get distracting and teachers testify to this. However at the same time, especially with girls but also boys, we get certain people being excluded. For example the case of the "21" club (I think this was at an Australian girls high school) where girls were only allowed in if they were a certain height, weight, beauty, et cetera. Having the other sex there not only helps with social skills but gives people another option. So I would think that it is perhaps optimal for different classes, but together in the playground.

MareepMan
10th May 2008, 2:04 AM
@ The_Panda - It is really hard to separate schools like that. It is a good idea, but you have to have more staff because the groups are never going to divide equally. Then you still have the problems of boys and girls getting together at break time which is when you get most of the problems. In class, the focus is on wasting time more than anything rather than being in a relationship (although I can see that if two people are making out in the back of the room that gets quite difficult)

Hakajin
10th May 2008, 7:33 AM
I maintain that one of the best things about going to a single sex school is the eduacation you get about your gender. Especially for women. We learn a lot more about women in history and literature. And we also get an education about sexism and its effects. I've realized that I do things to weaken myself without ever realizing it. For example- using qualifiers- words like "kind of," "I think," "maybe," etc. Women use them much more than men. I used to use them in debates to soften my point. There are a lot of other things, but I digress. I think sometimes they go overboard with the feminism, but overall, I think a feminist education is very good for a woman, especially in the area of confidence.

HyenaHaze
10th May 2008, 8:53 PM
You're a girl?

Long time in replying, but yes. I am.

Profesco
10th May 2008, 9:20 PM
I wonder why there is still such a large emphasis placed on intersexual relationships. Haven't we fleshed out already the fact that single-sex schools have plenty of opportunities for coed friendships, and coed schools have plenty of single sex social groups/activities? I think the debate could afford to head elsewhere now.

10Sunkernlimit! Ha!

Night_Walker
11th May 2008, 10:12 AM
This kinda goes to the heart of the world these days, there's more a focus of academic achievement in school then social things.

I think Co-ed schools are the only way to go if you want the kids to come away with at least some understanding of how to relate to the opposite sex, which is vital, not to mention sometimes different things come up in classes cause of the different way boys and girls tend to look at something.

Profesco
11th May 2008, 10:55 AM
*sighs*

Well, once again I'll point out that school is purposely intended for education, not social skills.

And on that note, a single sex school will allow the curricula to be geared toward that sex's learning style. Boys and girls learn differently for the most part, and the single sex classroom cuts down on the overall amount of different styles that must be taught to have a greater education. That's very efficient.

Night_Walker
11th May 2008, 10:58 AM
*sighs*

Well, once again I'll point out that school is purposely intended for education, not social skills.

And on that note, a single sex school will allow the curricula to be geared toward that sex's learning style. Boys and girls learn differently for the most part, and the single sex classroom cuts down on the overall amount of different styles that must be taught to have a greater education. That's very efficient.

That strikes me as the way society's become work centric, the skills you need to function socially in the real world are just as important as what you learn in the classes.

Takaru
11th May 2008, 11:09 AM
You still need social skills in life =/

Jazzy
11th May 2008, 12:00 PM
*sighs*

Well, once again I'll point out that school is purposely intended for education, not social skills.

And on that note, a single sex school will allow the curricula to be geared toward that sex's learning style. Boys and girls learn differently for the most part, and the single sex classroom cuts down on the overall amount of different styles that must be taught to have a greater education. That's very efficient.

social skills arent entirely unimportant. Its perfectly possible to get an excellent education from a co ed school, and pick up relationship skills as well. A certain prestigious school in my state has been the centre of bullying and drug users as well, so private schools arent entirely perfect for making friends, says this observer.

Profesco
11th May 2008, 12:05 PM
Oh dear! Please don't misunderstand. Of course social skills are invariably necessary. But the focus of school, specifically, is education. Social skills come after that priority.

Jazzy
11th May 2008, 12:40 PM
Oh dear! Please don't misunderstand. Of course social skills are invariably necessary. But the focus of school, specifically, is education. Social skills come after that priority.

I tend to think education isnt just maths and history. Its also how to react to situations, teaches us what is and isnt acceptable and, ahem, "human growth and development", all three of which can be taught better in a co ed school; how to start a relationship, why you shouldnt hit girls, and several facts about HGAD that you wont learn in a single sex school.

Shiny pokemon lover
11th May 2008, 12:54 PM
I think coed schools is the best! Boy's and girls shall have the option to have friends of the opposite gender. I'm a boy which have many female friends, good friends! They act's very kindly to me and have no problem with my gender.
Single sex schools makes our two gender to be afraid for each other, and should be closed!

Jazzy
11th May 2008, 12:57 PM
I think coed schools is the best! Boy's and girls shall have the option to have friends of the opposite gender. I'm a boy which have many female friends, good friends! They act's very kindly to me and have no problem with my gender.
Single sex schools makes our two gender to be afraid for each other, and should be closed!

Im sorry, but HOW did you get THAT piece of information? I cant see any logic behind it.

Night_Walker
11th May 2008, 3:16 PM
Oh dear! Please don't misunderstand. Of course social skills are invariably necessary. But the focus of school, specifically, is education. Social skills come after that priority.

Yes well in that case I still say 'co-ed' is best for balancing those needs.

In the workplace, and the rest of the real world, people have to get along with the opposite sex so it seems stupid to separate them in the 'training ground' for work and the real world.

MareepMan
11th May 2008, 4:07 PM
I think a lot of you are forgetting that social skills can just as easily be learnt at a single sex school as a coed school. Unless you are a total geek then you get to socialise outside school with other friends in other schools. Coed schools make this easier of course as you have the opposite sex there all the time, but you can still do this in a single sex school. This then allows you to learn hard in the day and in the evening have fun with friends.

Profesco has got it right because school is there for learning not social skills that can easily be learnt outside of the classroom.

Night_Walker
11th May 2008, 4:12 PM
I think a lot of you are forgetting that social skills can just as easily be learnt at a single sex school as a coed school. Unless you are a total geek then you get to socialise outside school with other friends in other schools. Coed schools make this easier of course as you have the opposite sex there all the time, but you can still do this in a single sex school. This then allows you to learn hard in the day and in the evening have fun with friends.

Profesco has got it right because school is there for learning not social skills that can easily be learnt outside of the classroom.

But you don't learn how to get along with them in a formal setting, like you do in a co-ed school, which is very important. I personally didn't spend a lot of time chasing girls, starting to wish I had, but even with the people who did I noticed they generally paid attention in class.
And as for the people who didn't... well that didn't have anything to do with there being girls or boys in the class they were just the sort of people who wouldn't have ared in a single sex school.

MareepMan
11th May 2008, 4:17 PM
When you go into a workplace, if you have come from a single sex school, you don't shy away from the opposite sex like they are another species.
But you don't learn how to get along with them in a formal setting
You don't need to know about or have worked with the opposite sex to know what to do. You get on with your work and get on with colleagues. I did work experience last year, and there was one woman in the office, and I got on well with her, so I don't see how you can justify not working with the opposite sex makes at a young age makes you incapable of working with them when you're older.

Night_Walker
11th May 2008, 4:24 PM
There's a big difference between just social interaction and formal settings. I mean if you've never had the 'distraction' of the opposite sex at school how would you be able to deal with it at work?

I'm not saying you couldn't interact with the opposite sex if you've had a education away from them, just that it would take time to adapt.

It's just simply not realistic, both sexes interact in virtually all environments it doesn't make any sense to educate in a single sex environment.

MareepMan
11th May 2008, 4:33 PM
The point of educating them in separate environments allows schools to keep relationship issues separate from what school is there for which primarily is education. You can then get better grades at school and do better in life.

Now many people say that you don't get any social interaction at all with the opposite sex. Most people in single sex schools go out of their way to have this interaction outside school, and so they don't end up socially useless with the other sex.

At the end of the day, yes single sex schools may not be an accurate reflection of life after school, but your life after school can be a hell of a lot better if you do go to a single sex school.

Night_Walker
11th May 2008, 5:04 PM
I'm sry I don't buy into that.

School is about training you to function in the adult world, therefore more then just 'education' counts.
I didn't look at it that way when I was there and I know I made a mistake of being too business-like about it, I stayed to myself so I wouldn't get distracted and it was a mistake. One of the big things about school is your learn to function in a society of sorts, if that society is not representative with the real world then there's a problem.

MareepMan
11th May 2008, 5:18 PM
ok I get your point. But don't you think that the world today is all based around education, and the more of it you have, the better you do?

30 years ago, most people didn't stay on to school after 16 because you could get apprenticeships and could work your way through a business. Nowadays, many people have to stay onto further education in universities and learn just to get into positions. Society is moving away from the thinking of "work your way through" a business and business is becoming more focused on knowledge. Therefore I feel that single sex schools are more important in this time and age.

With this hunger for knowledge, you invariably have to go to university at 18, by which point most feelings toward the opposite sex are becoming more pronounced in boys an girls and so going to university at this time allows their social skills around the opposite sex to develop.

I feel that the knowledge you are more likely to get at a single sex school due to less "problems" means you can get into these universities and still have become active with the other sex without having to lose your academic skills.

Night_Walker
11th May 2008, 5:55 PM
ok I get your point. But don't you think that the world today is all based around education, and the more of it you have, the better you do?

Sort of, but there's so much that's 'taught' that you end up having no use for, and things you should have a chance to learn that you can't. At least that's been my experience


30 years ago, most people didn't stay on to school after 16 because you could get apprenticeships and could work your way through a business. Nowadays, many people have to stay onto further education in universities and learn just to get into positions. Society is moving away from the thinking of "work your way through" a business and business is becoming more focused on knowledge. Therefore I feel that single sex schools are more important in this time and age.

I think work has started to be pushed way more then it has in the past, like "you live to work" not "you work so you can live" and I don't know if that necessarily means you need more qualifications. This sorta moves away from the issue.

I'm just gonna say I didn't really give social interaction as much attention as I pry should have, and that wasn't really a conscious choice more due to my own experiences of life, and I really truly regret that.

I simply don't see that co-ed schools do cause people to test lower. From what I know a lot of single sex schools, at least here in Australia I don't know about the US and I don't mean to cause offence, teach their students in a very exam focused way (getting copies of previous exams) and even spoon-feed them in SACs. To the point some schools have been fined for that.
My school, which was co-ed, has consistent had some of the very highest ranking students in our whole state system.

MareepMan
11th May 2008, 7:11 PM
Well I'm British so no offence caused. But a lot of coed schools in my area have failed or are failing to provide good education because the people in them are more orientated towards relationships. Many (not all) the students focus on getting a girl and having their own "gang" or go out partying every night of the week. Although this is not exclusive to just coed schools in my area, this is true of most of the people in them.

I think possibly a reason for single sex schools getting better grades is because they are either private schools or grammar schools with entrance exams, which tend to get more of the brighter pupils. Again this is not true of all the entrants into these schools (as I can more than attest to), but again is generally true overall.

Spoon feeding is a problem not only in single sex schools though. In Britain the exams are constantly changing along with the syllabuses and so teachers need to teach a certain way or teach a certain thing that the exam board want so that the pupil who knows what he/she is talking about expresses themselves in the right way in the exam. For instance, the new science GCSE exams "fair test" isn't accepted but other variations are.

ChronaMew
11th May 2008, 7:35 PM
Well I'm British so no offence caused. But a lot of coed schools in my area have failed or are failing to provide good education because the people in them are more orientated towards relationships. Many (not all) the students focus on getting a girl and having their own "gang" or go out partying every night of the week. Although this is not exclusive to just coed schools in my area, this is true of most of the people in them.

Does it make any difference if they're in single or coed schools in this case? Single-sex schools still have gangs/cliques, and people can still leave the house every night with said gang or with a date. If people don't care about their education, there is no difference in where they go

MareepMan
11th May 2008, 8:16 PM
I've already said about gangs not being exclusive to coed schools:

You still get the fights and the bad behaviour, and to an extent peoples weaknesses in the single sex schools become amplified to such an extent that they get bullied for it.

However these are fewer in single sex schools because you have less relationship problems.

Of course we can be pedantic and say there are still problems in single sex schools and that there are people that come out of A*s that turn out to be rocket scientists etc. but in general you get less problems in single sex schools which gives you a better environment to learn in.

Regan
12th May 2008, 10:21 AM
And here (http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/sex/s_homo_sch.htm)'s a source

Ill look through your posts later and debate, but this made me laugh out loud.

Since when is the modern religion a source, let alone a reliable one.


I am against homosexuality

Wow, its not a reliable source, is written from a religious point of view, and is biased

Fails as a source.


I think coed schools is the best! Boy's and girls shall have the option to have friends of the opposite gender. I'm a boy which have many female friends, good friends! They act's very kindly to me and have no problem with my gender.

Well aren't you just a stud!


Single sex schools makes our two gender to be afraid for each other, and should be closed!

Fail, Bigot.


There's a big difference between just social interaction and formal settings. I mean if you've never had the 'distraction' of the opposite sex at school how would you be able to deal with it at work?

Because your not at work to learn, your there to do your job.

Profesco
12th May 2008, 9:45 PM
From what I know a lot of single sex schools, at least here in Australia I don't know about the US and I don't mean to cause offence, teach their students in a very exam focused way (getting copies of previous exams) and even spoon-feed them in SACs. To the point some schools have been fined for that.

You're nearly correct. In the US, Bush's "No Child Left Behind" has caused many schools to begin "teaching to the test." Everything is becoming overstandardized because of it. But, it's not just single sex schools. In fact, most single sex schools over here are privately funded, like somebody said, and that means they don't have to rely on Bush's funding scheme. So, the kids get a better education in general at a single sex school.

RICH
12th May 2008, 10:07 PM
coed schools are a way better option because you can get a good education if you want it no matter where you are. plus schools are supposed to prepare you for the real world society... last i checked society has two sexes.

Regan
12th May 2008, 10:40 PM
coed schools are a way better option because you can get a good education if you want it no matter where you are. plus schools are supposed to prepare you for the real world society... last i checked society has two sexes.

Are you saying that single sex schools don't prepare you for the real world?

Society may have two sexes, but people over the age of ten no longer find girls scary. Forgive me if this is news to you.

Profesco
13th May 2008, 1:55 AM
coed schools are a way better option because you can get a good education if you want it no matter where you are

But coed schools are the ONLY place you can make friends with the opposite gender, right?