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Mastadi
5th June 2008, 11:42 AM
You guys are so ****ing lazy, turn off your ****ing scripts and start actually working. So many innocents are kicked, while actual rule breakers get away with it.


[11:36:33] <genEric> doesnt matter, serebii is still #1. :P
[11:36:34] * Serebii sets mode: +b *!*@PurpleSurge-DAF94739.socal.res.rr.com
[11:36:34] * genEric was kicked by Serebii ( DONT ADVERTISE! Kick Number 104038 )


This guy ****ing PRAISED you, and you kicked him for that. I really think it's time (since like beggining of the irc channels) for somebody to move their lazy *** and actually start moderating the channels and not just turn a few scripts on...

Akayfortyseven
5th June 2008, 12:06 PM
Agreed. The amount of times I've been kicked for hearsay is the reason I rarely visit the channels anymore. There are a bunch of ops with scripts that are to harsh, kicking for no reason whatsoever, and most of the ops use them as an excuse to idle for hours and hours, whats the point in being an op if your not there? Obviously there are some ops that I praise for actually being decent, but there are a few that dont help run the channel efficiently or fairly. The example in Mastadi's post is perfect at showing this.

Thanks.

facetious
5th June 2008, 12:09 PM
Even though SPP Script is atrocious, the ops enjoy the power kick they get out of it. It's not going anywhere buddy. ^_________________________________________^

genEric
5th June 2008, 12:35 PM
I can understand why OPs use scripts, they want to be able to contribute to the channels without actually being there; and despite the fairness of some of those scripts, they can stay. The main problem I have though is the abuse of the rules the OPs get away with. Why is it that they don't have to follow suit like the rest of us? And I don't see why one needs a fancy symbol by their name to feel important. I see these people bypass censors left and right or spam CAPS like there's no tomorrow without the fear of consequences. For Christ's sake, they should be more active in moderating and be less enthusiastic in promoting improper behavior.

PLANES CURE TOWERS
5th June 2008, 12:41 PM
Even though SPP Script is atrocious, the ops enjoy the power kick they get out of it. It's not going anywhere buddy. ^_________________________________________^
The power trip gained from using SPP script is nil. The thing is proper dire.

Good luck and have fun being there 24/7 btw OP, I would love to know how you manage that! Although I do agree that pretty much every script currentley active in #SPP and in #SPP-Wifi is absolutely atrocious, it doesn't matter what you say - they won't listen to me when I tell them to sort it out, so they certainly ain't gonna listen to you. :D!

Also complaining about a five minute ban from such a dire channel is pretty hilarious in its own right.

Fenix
5th June 2008, 1:02 PM
Cry more lol.

darkgamerGS
5th June 2008, 3:16 PM
Innocent people won't have to get kicked if they know what triggers what script... trust me, he's not the only one innocent that gets banned... the HOps+ will keep whatever scripts they have, and there really isn't anything anyone can do about it.
The scripts are useful for another thing... ever been to the wi-fi chan? It's like trying to run hell. Oftentimes, there's so many idiots, not all the HOps+ in there can keep track, so the scrips are always a nice welcome (Although I'm kinda exaggerating...) But since you're talking about #SPP... um... memorize the rules and then don't risk triggering scripts by breaking them? And use number one or number 1 instead of #1.

Cynthia
5th June 2008, 3:17 PM
There is a thread for complaints about unfair bans, if you had been banned for that you could appeal there, or wait the 5 minutes for the ban to expire (less than the time posting would take.) Your language is inappropriate, you have no grasp of what it takes to run such a large chatroom, the owner has exclusive right to ban whoever he wants whenever he wants.

If you have issues with our chatroom you are welcome to establish your own pokemon website, chatroom, and chatstaff, finance it appropriately, and compete in a free-market for fans to enjoy*.

*Just so long as you do not attempt to advertise in #SPP that is, against the rules don'tcha know


I feel it is unfair to characterize all of the operators with the same behavior, as in any organization not everyone acts the same way. One of the perks of the job is occasionally rules are bent without identical repercussions regular chat members. Should this necessarily happen in a perfect world where everything is equal, everything is fair, and you are the center of the universe? Nope, but then again I like my ability to freely choose how I act.

Instead of complaining so much about the chatroom, with inappropriate language no less, I'd suggest being a bit more appreciative of what we put up with to give you the chat. I've spent a night staying awake until 5 in the morning combating and tracking down someone attempting to post child pornography into the chatrooms and using evasion techniques to continue to do so, working with other operators and the server staff on the server we were on at the time to track him down, cut off his access, and report to authorities. The only standard thanks I get is people cussing at me if they don't like how I ban, so yeah...less complainy more thanky please

Mastadi
5th June 2008, 6:02 PM
Sure, there are some honorable exceptions, but don't you think you should have more active ops? Maybe it's time to lower the expectations from average op, and just give it to almost everybody who's quite smart and trustworthy. I ran a game server and an irc channel much larger than this one, and we never had too much problems with any trouble makers, and we didn't use any scripts. We had lots of ops, about 40, each of them spent around an hour online and everything was perfectly fine.

Shining Mew
5th June 2008, 6:09 PM
Always good on paper but never actually works.

People cry to much.. its just a chatroom.

ReallyOcean
5th June 2008, 6:12 PM
the HOps+ will keep whatever scripts they have, and there really isn't anything anyone can do about it.
Right, because nobody runs the channel. If the higher ops would actually enforce the rules for the other ops as well as make sure their scripts are up to par, we wouldn't have this. Don't say "there really isn't anything anyone can do about it." That's just insane. It's not like we're trying to figure out how to take over the world.


The scripts are useful for another thing... ever been to the wi-fi chan? It's like trying to run hell. Oftentimes, there's so many idiots, not all the HOps+ in there can keep track, So either fix the scripts or hire more hops. Is this really that difficult to solve? "We need more ops to control the channel in an acceptable way. What will we do?"

But since you're talking about #SPP... um... memorize the rules and then don't risk triggering scripts by breaking them? And use number one or number 1 instead of #1.
Again, faulty scripts.

If you have issues with our chatroom you are welcome to establish your own pokemon website, chatroom, and chatstaff, finance it appropriately, and compete in a free-market for fans to enjoy*.

There are rules in the channel. If and when the rules are broken by the operators and regulars, and nothing is done about it, there is an arguable issue. Especially if inappropriateness is involved. Sure, say "it's the internet, deal with the profanity", but saying that basically voids the rules you say exist and any enforcement of them. Many will complain, and some of it will be logical but as long as regulars (including ops) continue to break the rules, it's hypocritical to argue that they have no argument.


Instead of complaining so much about the chatroom, with inappropriate language no less, I'd suggest being a bit more appreciative of what we put up with to give you the chat. I've spent a night staying awake until 5 in the morning combating and tracking down someone attempting to post child pornography into the chatrooms and using evasion techniques to continue to do so, working with other operators and the server staff on the server we were on at the time to track him down, cut off his access, and report to authorities. The only standard thanks I get is people cussing at me if they don't like how I ban, so yeah...less complainy more thanky please
I don't doubt that many appreciate any and all work that went into doing that, but it's irrelevent in this situation. Many will complain, and some of it will be logical but as long as regulars (including ops) continue to break the rules, it's hypocritical to argue that they have no argument, no matter what you do.

People cry to much.. its just a chatroom.
You know as well as I do that this logic works nowhere.

Shining Mew
5th June 2008, 6:15 PM
You cant just add anyone and make them an op. They actually have to be umm... trustworthy?


Lol either way we all know that if the chat had 80 ops like people are saying here with no scripts that within 2 weeks we;d get a thread called OMFG TOO MANY OPS AND **** WHY NO SCRIPTS?!!?1 WTF LAZY ****TARDS JUST MAKE A DAMN SCRIPT LOL

Putty
5th June 2008, 6:28 PM
i occasionally visit the chatroom and it's a mess. although between all the random influx of people i do spot some regulars and although they may not be site staff, they'd definitely do a much better job of operating the IRC than some ****ing scripts.

you don't need 80 ops. for a chatroom of that size you only need about 10 ops and a few sops. assuming those people are regularly there. maybe some halfops if necessary.

and who the **** advertises an IRC channel in #spp?

okay, advertising a website could happen. but the majority of the people who come into the serebii chat don't know how to register a nick, let alone create and register their own channel.

Locke Yggdrasill
5th June 2008, 8:48 PM
Lol either way we all know that if the chat had 80 ops like people are saying here with no scripts that within 2 weeks we;d get a thread called OMFG TOO MANY OPS AND **** WHY NO SCRIPTS?!!?1 WTF LAZY ****TARDS JUST MAKE A DAMN SCRIPT LOL
That's where I come in handy! :O

ReallyOcean
5th June 2008, 11:44 PM
You cant just add anyone and make them an op. They actually have to be umm... trustworthy?
I know what is required. It's not difficult to find willing and fitting people with a channel like that.


Lol either way we all know that if the chat had 80 ops like people are saying here with no scripts that within 2 weeks we;d get a thread called OMFG TOO MANY OPS AND **** WHY NO SCRIPTS?!!?1 WTF LAZY ****TARDS JUST MAKE A DAMN SCRIPT LOL
You know that's exaggerating. Enough ops to be active at all hours of the day wouldn't be more than 12-15 active ops. And people are already complaining about the scripts. That's what this thread about. Yeah, if you don't do anything about it, people will still complain.

And are Javas using the applet on the site still not able to join other channels or was that changed?

PLANES CURE TOWERS
6th June 2008, 4:30 AM
You people haven't got a clue, lol.

Right, because nobody runs the channel. If the higher ops would actually enforce the rules for the other ops as well as make sure their scripts are up to par, we wouldn't have this. Don't say "there really isn't anything anyone can do about it." That's just insane. It's not like we're trying to figure out how to take over the world.
Except it's been done, countless times - I myself continue to tell the hops in our channels that they are completely crap at what they're supposed to be doing there, and that they need to rewrite their scripts / get off Spp script / actually do their job. The top and bottom of it is though, that scripts can only go so far, and ultimately in a channel such as #SPP what you see script wise is the best the majority of the idiots Joe continues to hire can do.

Which amuses me to no end because my scripts are proven to be completley flawless, primarily due to their speed reductions and whatnot, sadly due to the other hops and ops not turning their crap off, mine never gets to work. if more people used No Name Script and configured it correctly, or hell, actually knew how to use IRC, we wouldn't have this problem.

Such people are few and far between though, and then you get into becoming an Operator in the channels and while it is easier nowadays, it doesn't change that for most of the regulars in there, it's something they won't ever achieve unless Aeris / Delcatty suck some more *****.

I know what is required. It's not difficult to find willing and fitting people with a channel like that.
And you'd know this right? Willing is easy - fitting is the direct opposite.

You know that's exaggerating. Enough ops to be active at all hours of the day wouldn't be more than 12-15 active ops. And people are already complaining about the scripts. That's what this thread about. Yeah, if you don't do anything about it, people will still complain.
So then we can't win either way and you must make do with that which you are given.

Simple concept, no?

And are Javas using the applet on the site still not able to join other channels or was that changed?
That isn't relative to the operators in our channels at all - that is a server issue.

i occasionally visit the chatroom and it's a mess. although between all the random influx of people i do spot some regulars and although they may not be site staff, they'd definitely do a much better job of operating the IRC than some ****ing scripts.
Yeah, no. Sorry but 90% of the hops we have now are absolutely pathetic excuses, nevermind the regulars we have. It amazes me to no end that nobody grasps that.

you don't need 80 ops. for a chatroom of that size you only need about 10 ops and a few sops. assuming those people are regularly there. maybe some halfops if necessary.
Which we actually have?

and who the **** advertises an IRC channel in #spp?
dunnolol - I don't run advertising scripts 8)

okay, advertising a website could happen. but the majority of the people who come into the serebii chat don't know how to register a nick, let alone create and register their own channel.
What's your point? If we don't want people advertising links to what may be malicious material so that we don't get held responsible for such things being posted in our chatroom, then we have every right to make sure offenders are banned. Sure a lot of the time it's for no good reason but ultimately the ban is 5 whole minutes in length, and if you simply cannot wait that long to return to the many riveting discussions in #SPP, then you can even PM an operator, who more often than not will actually unban you - hell I know I would.

Ultimately a lot of people are being assumptive pricks about our staff members and how we go about obtaining them. If you think you can operate the channel better than the current staff then by all means give me a damn good reason why I and the other Sops should consider adding you to the staff there. If you think you can deal with me calling you a piece of subhuman trash daily because you made a stupid error in your pathetic excuse of a script, or if you're being over zealous, or hell even if I just decide I don't like you, then by all means apply.

If you can deal with Aeris and Delcatty bringing their stupid teen drama to our staff channel, and putting up with the pathetic sex life whines of Serebii amongst other crap, then by all means apply. But I'll tell you right now you're not in for an easy happy go lucky job, because you'll get people like ReallyOcean telling you that all the work you put into making sure their chat experience in out chatroom is as satisfying as it can be telling you that you're shitty, and if that wasn't enough - you'll get me telling you too. By the way, me saying it is probably worse because it'll actually hold more ground than SppGuestRandomRegularWhoisAcompleteWankstain.

Feel free to continue your pointless ranting and all the rest of the nonsense against the staff of #SPP - Ultimately we're the ones calling the shots, and this is the best it's going to get considering most of the operators do have something to do other than babysit your whiny asses all day.

Oh by the way actually having some form of character is a plus when applying for an Op - just an FYI.

firepokemon
6th June 2008, 5:14 AM
i occasionally visit the chatroom and it's a mess. although between all the random influx of people i do spot some regulars and although they may not be site staff, they'd definitely do a much better job of operating the IRC than some ****ing scripts.

Most of the regulars are wannabe ops, mini-opping all day long. Others think they're gods gift because they can get away with saying **** and trolling newbies. The rest are ****ing shitty things that think they're hot stuff and have the ability to <333333333 all day like idiots.

In fairness though #SPP isn't that bad, and at least the scripts have timers. Its not like the days when you would say anything and be banned for the day like it once was.

ReallyOcean
6th June 2008, 6:14 AM
Except it's been done, countless times - I myself continue to tell the hops in our channels that they are completely crap at what they're supposed to be doing there, and that they need to rewrite their scripts / get off Spp script / actually do their job. The top and bottom of it is though, that scripts can only go so far, and ultimately in a channel such as #SPP what you see script wise is the best the majority of the idiots Joe continues to hire can do.
So get someone in that select "minority" to write a decent script. They continue to do their jobs ineffectively? Then, you should "continue to tell the hops" that what they're doing complete crap.", just as you have been doing, because that obviously is working. Or, make an example and discipline them. Why keep ops around who don't op?


Which amuses me to no end because my scripts are proven to be completley flawless, primarily due to their speed reductions and whatnot, sadly due to the other hops and ops not turning their crap off, mine never gets to work. if more people used No Name Script and configured it correctly, or hell, actually knew how to use IRC, we wouldn't have this problem.
Explained above. When you speak like this it sounds as if you have no control whatsoever over the channel and that it's some uncontrollable being. I'm assuming you're at least an AOp? AOp > HOp. Make it required that people use your script (if it's as effective as you say) or if people don't want to use it, take the required kick script addon parts from it and have it required that all staff add them to their scripts.


And you'd know this right? Willing is easy - fitting is the direct opposite.
Yes. While finding people who are fitting is more difficult than finding those who are willing, it's nowhere near impossible.


So then we can't win either way and you must make do with that which you are given.

Simple concept, no?
No. I said nothing like that. Jess didn't mention anything about fixing the scripts in the expected response of a solution, and then said that people would be complaining about the fact that there were no scripts. I said that if the scripts are purposely not fixed, the complaining will obviously not go away.

But I'll tell you right now you're not in for an easy happy go lucky job, because you'll get people like ReallyOcean telling you that all the work you put into making sure their chat experience in out chatroom is as satisfying as it can be telling you that you're shitty,
Oh be quiet. That's NOT what I'm saying at all. First of all, a newbie's/regular's chat experience was as satisfying as is possible, let alone even barely, we wouldn't have people making threads talking about how badly it's being run. We wouldn't have plenty of people in a thread agreeing with that person. We wouldn't have operators admitting that the channel is run by "pathetic excuses." Obviously, if you are one of "minority" who is improving the channel, you shouldn't have much to worry about except getting the rest of the channel to stop bringing itself down. And I never used such language, let alone said anything that is "crappy." If anything, you've insulted the operators more than I have.


Feel free to continue your pointless ranting and all the rest of the nonsense against the staff of #SPP - Ultimately we're the ones calling the shots, and this is the best it's going to get considering most of the operators do have something to do other than babysit your whiny asses all day.
Come on, don't say this while responding to all of my inqueries. It makes no sense if it's pointless. It also makes no sense that you would in the end call all of it pointless when according to you, you try to better the channel and are obviously for bettering the channel. That is unless, you think you can do it yourself without any help or "pointless ranting" from anyone else, which obviously isn't the case.

Kirby
6th June 2008, 6:28 AM
So get someone in that select "minority" to write a decent script. They continue to do their jobs ineffectively? Then, you should "continue to tell the hops" that what they're doing complete crap.", just as you have been doing, because that obviously is working. Or, make an example and discipline them. Why keep ops around who don't op?

Most halfops do not listen to anyone unless your name is Serebii Joe. Sorry mate, we've all tried to discipline them, it's not happening unless Joe does something.

In response to "Why keep ops around who don't op?" Well apparently relying on scripts is "Being good at your job..." or so I've been told (I politely disagree by the way, I don't use scripts).

Also, staffers don't get fired really, unless you copy what CM did and ban the whole chat out of spite you probably won't get fired.

I'm not sure if Yami Ron or whatever the hell its name is (girl, guy, I don't know or care) is still a halfop, but he/she never does anything, and is only there because he/she helped with the site.

K.

Also don't bother multi-quoting me and trying to argue, mainly because 1. I don't care and 2. This is all based on what is common knowledge in #SPP, have a problem with it go complain to the owner, not aOPs/sOPs who apparently no longer have control of halfops :)

PLANES CURE TOWERS
6th June 2008, 6:30 AM
Come on, don't say this while responding to all of my inqueries. It makes no sense if it's pointless. It also makes no sense that you would in the end call all of it pointless when according to you, you try to better the channel and are obviously for bettering the channel. That is unless, you think you can do it yourself without any help or "pointless ranting" from anyone else, which obviously isn't the case.
Actually I stopped trying to better the channel when Aeris and Delcatty were made into Halfops.

I mean it's never going to get better after that.

Bryloom
6th June 2008, 6:47 AM
Oh there you are Josh. We in #spp have been looking for you. It seems Fenix is sick and can't work his regular shift. We tried reaching you for the longest, to cover for him. Thanks, Josh. Without you, the night shift would've been screwed!

PLANES CURE TOWERS
6th June 2008, 6:49 AM
no problem i'm just glad i could be of service for whatever it is i actually do in there

Putty
6th June 2008, 9:18 AM
^ that looks so rigged, lmfao.


okay now is a good time to tell you that i've been tearing your comments apart back to front. idk why, seemed like a more interesting way to deal with you.


Except it's been done, countless times - I myself continue to tell the hops in our channels that they are completely crap at what they're supposed to be doing there, and that they need to rewrite their scripts / get off Spp script / actually do their job. The top and bottom of it is though, that scripts can only go so far, and ultimately in a channel such as #SPP what you see script wise is the best the majority of the idiots Joe continues to hire can do.
so why are you having a go at us? get rid of the privileges the **** ops have, then more on to finding some new people.


Which amuses me to no end because my scripts are proven to be completley flawless, primarily due to their speed reductions and whatnot, sadly due to the other hops and ops not turning their crap off, mine never gets to work. if more people used No Name Script and configured it correctly, or hell, actually knew how to use IRC, we wouldn't have this problem.

not completely flawless against the client the vast majority of the people use. that in itself demonstrates the problem. i use NNS, and i know tons of IRC tricks. i remember not too long ago your overprotective server wouldn't even allow me to connect with my clients because it thought i was an advertising bot. at least that's cleared up now.


Such people are few and far between though, and then you get into becoming an Operator in the channels and while it is easier nowadays, it doesn't change that for most of the regulars in there, it's something they won't ever achieve unless Aeris / Delcatty suck some more *****.

if users are cocksucking in order to get some power in a ****ing chatroom, don't give them it. it's simple as that. no angsty teenagers as ops. it's a stereotype, but it's true. the majority of kids do not know any functions on IRC - there's no point giving them operator privileges when they only know how to !kb yo!


dunnolol - I don't run advertising scripts 8)

why did that person get kicked for having a hash and some characters after it in his/her message?



What's your point? If we don't want people advertising links to what may be malicious material so that we don't get held responsible for such things being posted in our chatroom
is somebody going to call your ISP and cut you off from the internet because somebody thought it was funny to rick roll another?



then we have every right to make sure offenders are banned.
of course you do, you have the right to do whatever the **** you want on this site, regardless of what we think. but you'd make yourself a lot more popular taking our thoughts into consideration.



Sure a lot of the time it's for no good reason but ultimately the ban is 5 whole minutes in length, and if you simply cannot wait that long to return to the many riveting discussions in #SPP,

hell, that's not even effective against a spam bot! the bot will probably have the simple configuration of autorejoining when their ban is removed.


then you can even PM an operator, who more often than not will actually unban you - hell I know I would.
they are afk the majority of the time, in my experience and exciting tests typing out 'www.google.com' i've not be even responded to by the operators.
slightly offtopic, does the java chat send a highlight to a person if they are /notice'd? if ops are using crappy java and cannot be directed like this i'm not surprised they only stay in chat to get the fancy @ by their name.



Ultimately a lot of people are being assumptive pricks about our staff members and how we go about obtaining them. If you think you can operate the channel better than the current staff then by all means give me a damn good reason why I and the other Sops should consider adding you to the staff there. If you think you can deal with me calling you a piece of subhuman trash daily because you made a stupid error in your pathetic excuse of a script, or if you're being over zealous, or hell even if I just decide I don't like you, then by all means apply.

yes, we are being assumptive. we know the staff do work on the site (to some extent), as we've insisted to you before, we're not happy with the 'work' they're doing on IRC. i don't want to apply to operate the serebii channel because i rarely go on the forums, let alone IRC. stop making hyperboles, we're not calling you subhuman trash. you probably haven't made an error in your script, you dl'd it for your client as it was :p
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If you can deal with Aeris and Delcatty bringing their stupid teen drama to our staff channel, and putting up with the pathetic sex life whines of Serebii amongst other crap, then by all means apply. But I'll tell you right now you're not in for an easy happy go lucky job, because you'll get people like ReallyOcean telling you that all the work you put into making sure their chat experience in out chatroom is as satisfying as it can be telling you that you're shitty, and if that wasn't enough - you'll get me telling you too.

why are you bothering to tell me this? i've been there. and out of all people, i know you lot are getting insulted (in some way or another). and i do not want to apply for a mod or an op on serebii. i'm sure some people might, and they aren't as assertive as i am. don't bother use my rude behaviour as an example.


By the way, me saying it is probably worse because it'll actually hold more ground than SppGuestRandomRegularWhoisAcompleteWankstain.
mature :\


Feel free to continue your pointless ranting and all the rest of the nonsense against the staff of #SPP - Ultimately we're the ones calling the shots, and this is the best it's going to get considering most of the operators do have something to do other than babysit your whiny asses all day.

so you applied as a moderator because..?
i like ranting on a forum like this. it's a good place to vent.



Oh by the way actually having some form of character is a plus when applying for an Op - just an FYI.
who here is trying to apply as an op?



anyway. that's feedback for your services. essentially what this forum here is about. you don't want to accept our queries? might as well shut this forum down.

firepokemon
6th June 2008, 9:42 AM
Putty for ops

Xx_Dialga_xX
6th June 2008, 11:32 AM
i agree most of the ops are retarded and the scripts are dumb as

MondoTR
6th June 2008, 1:07 PM
why did that person get kicked for having a hash and some characters after it in his/her message?
#whatever advertises chatrooms. Though if people are going to use that scipt they should add #1 to the chans allowed to be advertised to avoid confusion.


so you applied as a moderator because..?
I didn't realize there was a form to fill out. :P

Fighting the Ops and scripts is a losing battle. Has happened many times over the years and doesn't work. So don't expect much (if anything) to come out of this thread.

Erik Destler
6th June 2008, 3:18 PM
and who the **** advertises an IRC channel in #spp?

many people do. ^_^
don't get me started on SPP-wifi when channel joining was enabled. Other than too many idiots getting around, the major problem we had was with massive channel advertising.

and people still do it. :|

this thread disappoints me. no one cares, the scripts are staying.
if you don't like it

/part #SPP

(kirby why aren't you doing your shift it started about 20 minutes ago damn it)

PLANES CURE TOWERS
6th June 2008, 6:33 PM
okay now is a good time to tell you that i've been tearing your comments apart back to front. idk why, seemed like a more interesting way to deal with you.
This comment is hilarious.

so why are you having a go at us? get rid of the privileges the **** ops have, then more on to finding some new people.
I'm going to let you in on the real dirty little secret here. None of the ops in #SPP have any power whatsoever over access or anything like that - the best we can do is suggest crap to Joe in hopes that he might actually do something about whatever it is we're saying - when we used to be able to do stuff, this is also including the Sops, we always ended up getting lambasted for it.

Honestly you're having a "rant" at the wrong people here, we can't really do anything, because Joe is the one everything has to go through before anyone can even be ****ing vopped anymore. You can thank the Hops and Ops he himself posted as staff for this - their maturity led to this nonsense. And does he listen when we complain about how we Sops can't do anything? Lol.

not completely flawless against the client the vast majority of the people use. that in itself demonstrates the problem. i use NNS, and i know tons of IRC tricks. i remember not too long ago your overprotective server wouldn't even allow me to connect with my clients because it thought i was an advertising bot. at least that's cleared up now.
The thing is it doesn't make a difference unless you say this to Joe himself, and if he's not going to take his Sops into consideration what hope in hell do you have? The reason the Hops didn't change their scripts liek I asked them to is because they only take orders from his stupid ***.

if users are cocksucking in order to get some power in a ****ing chatroom, don't give them it. it's simple as that. no angsty teenagers as ops. it's a stereotype, but it's true. the majority of kids do not know any functions on IRC - there's no point giving them operator privileges when they only know how to !kb yo!
Tell that to Joe baby!

why did that person get kicked for having a hash and some characters after it in his/her message?
Just becaise >I< don't khave an advertising script doesn't mean everyone else is the same. And I'm not psychic, but I can assume it's because someone has a chan advertising script, which of course would ban for use of '#.'

is somebody going to call your ISP and cut you off from the internet because somebody thought it was funny to rick roll another?
I said malicious material not old meme's.

of course you do, you have the right to do whatever the **** you want on this site, regardless of what we think. but you'd make yourself a lot more popular taking our thoughts into consideration.
I'm not here to garner popularity with you people, of course you wouldn't know that due to all the assumign you're doing. Who cares if the hops and ops take your thoughts into consideration, even if we do it's not like we can do anything about them rofl.

hell, that's not even effective against a spam bot! the bot will probably have the simple configuration of autorejoining when their ban is removed.
Thanks for letting me know that seriously nice one bruvva.

they are afk the majority of the time, in my experience and exciting tests typing out 'www.google.com' i've not be even responded to by the operators.
slightly offtopic, does the java chat send a highlight to a person if they are /notice'd? if ops are using crappy java and cannot be directed like this i'm not surprised they only stay in chat to get the fancy @ by their name.
One thing Joe does right when he adds a new staff member is makes sure they are on IRC and have some general knowledge of its use. Assume otherwise if it pleases you though. As for your exciting tests, why are you testing something you should already bloody know about existing? That makes no sense.

yes, we are being assumptive. we know the staff do work on the site (to some extent), as we've insisted to you before, we're not happy with the 'work' they're doing on IRC. i don't want to apply to operate the serebii channel because i rarely go on the forums, let alone IRC. stop making hyperboles, we're not calling you subhuman trash. you probably haven't made an error in your script, you dl'd it for your client as it was
If you don't frequent there fairly often then why are you making it your lgihtsworn duty to even bother arguing about all this - it would seem you're just doing so for the sheer sake of arguing. I didn't say anyone but me was calling people subhuman trash, what I did say however is that the amount of people that don't seem to understand that this is the best the most of the operators in #SPP can do are becoming stupid in number. Ultimately however it's not fault of the Sops because we can't do anything.

why are you bothering to tell me this? i've been there. and out of all people, i know you lot are getting insulted (in some way or another). and i do not want to apply for a mod or an op on serebii. i'm sure some people might, and they aren't as assertive as i am. don't bother use my rude behaviour as an example.
It was more of a general statement to be honest, because being an operator in oru channels isn't as easy as many might believe it to be. Sure you say you can do a better job than the current staff but most people that have said that and actually been opped haven't lasted two weeks.

There's a difference between being assertive and beating a dead horse by the way.

mature :\
TEAR MY COMMENTS APART.

so you applied as a moderator because..?
i like ranting on a forum like this. it's a good place to vent.
Vent about issues that barely even matter to you in the long haul considering your activity is minimal at best? Ok.

I didn't apply - i was asked. back then being an Operator actually meant more than kicking people and so it was a good little way to pass the time, considering I was active in the channels anyway. Back when I first was a Hop though, #SPP still had many of the awesome people that have since moved onto better things in life - namely not #SPP. Thanks for taking a special interest in me ^_^

who here is trying to apply as an op?
Again it was more of an umbrella for those saying they could do a better job.

anyway. that's feedback for your services. essentially what this forum here is about. you don't want to accept our queries? might as well shut this forum down.
feedback for >my< services is always welcome,a nd for the most part it's always positive simply because I actually am not an over zealous idiot. Sadly any other feedback is completely pointless simply because the vast majoritty of other ops listen only to Serebii himself, which is actually quite ridiculous I know.

Ultimately you are beating a dead horse - the scripts are going to stay and whining about it here, or giving feedback as you put it, isn't really going to change anything considering this is the way the site has been run for the better part of five years - the majority of users have never had any major issue that couldn't easily be resolved, and those that do don't usually hang around enough to make us give a damn regardless.

Erik Destler is going to close this topic now, and here's the reason why;

Beating a dead horse is pointless and dumb hehe.


TEAR MY POSTS APART FOR REAL YO.

Yami Ron
10th June 2008, 2:27 AM
Kirby,

Sure I contributed to the site, but I have a full time job as well 8:30 - 5 everyday at the university, so my time is limited on the #spp channels. It isn't about the friggin' title of operator status on an IRC channel either. It is knowing that someone (doesn't matter who) is there for people when they need your services.