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Jhonny
17th June 2008, 4:04 PM
Intelligent responses please.
What are the justifications for watching porn, is it a base and disgusting thing or is it a legitimate and understandable way to relieve stress?

I think that some arguments against it would be that it devalues women (and men) and that it gives an inaccurate view of sex.

Ideas for arguments for porn could be that it provides a service...maybe, and that it doesn't actually harm anyone. Still, is it right or wrong? All of these are just ideas for development and once I see some responses I might be bold enough to play the protagonist.

bigpop618
17th June 2008, 4:49 PM
Okay First off, Im shocked this thread hasn't got many views. That means a lot of disappointed people.

Porno is not wrong. Its like saying sex is wrong. Sex isn't wrong. Watching it isn't wrong. Hell, watching it for the riveting story isn't wrong. It would just make you a liar.

Devalues? Thats how sex works you know. It goes in and out some hole. The roles in the porn are usually the same in real life. Actually they all are the same in real life. Teachers doing students. Bosses doing secretaries, Guys doing schoolgirls instead of homework. Hell all the weird **** you've prolly seen happens in real life. So how does it devalue women?

$Cash$
17th June 2008, 5:11 PM
It's NATURAL I don't see why it gets condemned
Nobody put a gun to the pornstar's head and told her to star in a degrading movie
And yes it can be a way to relieve stress too
It all depends on what you consider right and wrong, never will everyone in the world agree

Shiny Magmortar
17th June 2008, 5:27 PM
Pornography is by no means wrong. It is a stress reliever. But for some of the other people that view it, it's a bit different. For instance, that nerd that nobody will go out with, he'll watch it just because he isn't "getting any" from anyone else. And then there's that perverted guy that'll view everything pornographic from any website, and any movies that he can find, just because he "leikz pr0nz". There are many reasons that people view it.

Also, about the devaluing part. A person that puts themself so low as to star in any sort of pornography can't devalue themselves any lower than they already are when they agree to be in a pornographic showing.

So either way, pornography is used for different purposes, by different people. And there's no real devaluing involved. These people agree to show themselves, they're not forced into it.

Carlisle
17th June 2008, 5:27 PM
As long as it is between:

-Humans
-Consenting humans
-And of age humans

There's NOTHING wrong with it. If you don't like it, don't watch it. That simple.

snowagerfangs
17th June 2008, 5:29 PM
Id say porn is only natural to.
It can be used to relive stress from BOTH genders, And if you think its degrading to women(justs like Bigpop said) Most of the thinks happening in porn happens in real life xD
And i dont see why if you see a women doing something wrong/degrading on the TV, women always have to ***** and whine about it, I mean, they dont HAFT to watch it.

Kaasuti
17th June 2008, 5:54 PM
Porno is not wrong really, it's what some people watch to relieve themselves or to watch with their partners, i personally find it boring because everything seems put on.The only porno i find disgusting is the poop and urine ect fetishes, those people are seriously messed up.
I wouldn't say porn is natural because it isn't really, i mean would you call rolling about on a bed making fake noises and pouting at the camara natural behaviour?? i think not.

PurpleMew
17th June 2008, 5:58 PM
As long as it is between:

-Humans
-Consenting humans
-And of age humans

There's NOTHING wrong with it. If you don't like it, don't watch it. That simple.

That what i was going to say but if you visit a porn site about women having sex with horse/ other animal it starts to become wrong

Also i don't see it as doing any harme it for old 40 year old men with no wife or girlfriend and young adults to enjoy ( That came out wrong )

Profesco
18th June 2008, 4:32 PM
*sighs*

Well, it does serve a psychologically legitimate purpose. I only wish its subject matter was treated with more respect. Sex oughtn't be so very commercialized.

Poliwag2
18th June 2008, 5:01 PM
How else are female students supposed to afford college?

On a serious note, there is nothing "wrong" with the pornography industry as long as 1) individuals have power over their own decisions and 2) these decisions do not harm a third party.

Shuam
18th June 2008, 5:31 PM
For instance, that nerd that nobody will go out with, he'll watch it just because he isn't "getting any" from anyone else. And then there's that perverted guy that'll view everything pornographic from any website, and any movies that he can find, just because he "leikz pr0nz".
Pretty much took the words out of my mouth. I mean, there are those people that for some reason do just "leikz pr0nz". But those people are wierd, they watch all that crap with the horses and the poop and the pee and it's just disgusting. I mean, the people who do that really are devaluing themselves. It's their faults completely, and if they wanted to stop they could go ahead and do it, though they never seem to stop. It's kinda sick how it works.

But then there is that part that is very degrading. Think when you were like 5 years old. No one ever was like, "I want to be a porn star when i grow up!" Everyone wanted to be a teacher or a police man or some legitimate job of sorts. These people that are doing this stuff, really must need to do it, or they are some weird *** person. Just think what these people are gonna be like when they're seniors, I can only imagine a dark future for porn stars.

GhostAnime
18th June 2008, 5:37 PM
Sex oughtn't be so very commercialized.why not? don't tell me morals.

Dark SpOOn Bender
18th June 2008, 5:43 PM
why not? don't tell me morals.

Well, usually people think of sex as a private and intimite act between two lovers done behind closed doors. However, it is your own choice if you want to give up your privacy to earn money and noteriety, and really there isn't any "law" that says sex needs to be secretive.


imo, Pornography is fine as long as, as people have already stated, the ones being filmed are consenting adults. Again, it is a choice, and since it isn't a choice that would necessarily harm yourself or anybody else, then it's fine.

GhostAnime
18th June 2008, 5:56 PM
to finally start a debate: should porn be anymore censored or less censored than it already is?

Carlisle
18th June 2008, 6:02 PM
Pretty much took the words out of my mouth. I mean, there are those people that for some reason do just "leikz pr0nz". But those people are wierd, they watch all that crap with the horses and the poop and the pee and it's just disgusting. I mean, the people who do that really are devaluing themselves. It's their faults completely, and if they wanted to stop they could go ahead and do it, though they never seem to stop. It's kinda sick how it works.

But then there is that part that is very degrading. Think when you were like 5 years old. No one ever was like, "I want to be a porn star when i grow up!" Everyone wanted to be a teacher or a police man or some legitimate job of sorts. These people that are doing this stuff, really must need to do it, or they are some weird *** person. Just think what these people are gonna be like when they're seniors, I can only imagine a dark future for porn stars.
I can only imagine a dark future ahead for your brain cells.

Irith_Locke
18th June 2008, 6:20 PM
It's not wrong. If we can have strip bars, we can have porn. I don't find it disgusting (minus, obviously, the gross-er fetishes) but yeah. As long as those shown are CONSENTING, and OVER 18, it's fine. But of course, there's already laws against child porn.
Anyway, I don't think it needs to be censored any more than it already is. Parents that ***** about it can get parental controls on their kids' internet access. Besides, a lot of porn sites give a "ARE YOU 18???" message before you can get in. True, a lot of people disregard these, but it's not the website's fault if the kid is stupid.

Shuam
18th June 2008, 6:24 PM
to finally start a debate: should porn be anymore censored or less censored than it already is?
No. Just, no. It's fine as it is.

I can only imagine a dark future ahead for your brain cells.
Cool Thanks :D

GhostAnime
18th June 2008, 6:25 PM
so if a kid younger than 18 watches porn, they're stupid? because i'm pretty sure most of us first saw it before that age. =P

shuam, i more or less agree with him, i doubt those girls HAVE to be porn stars and if they don't, they aren't weird for doing it. why would they be? sex is a natural urge.

Dark SpOOn Bender
18th June 2008, 8:21 PM
to finally start a debate: should porn be anymore censored or less censored than it already is?

There are parental controls on the computer, websites are required to have warnings, and a lot of those websites probably require registration and payment to actually view their explicit content. You also need identification in order buy pornographic videos from stores. I don't think any more can be done to censor it.

HyenaHaze
19th June 2008, 1:02 AM
More censored, GA. I'm tired of seeing popups on my wunnerful lesbian porn site asking me if I want to see a girl sucking a horse. Um, no thanks? Don't show me the drat pictures! Go away!!! ARGH!!

Seriously, porn is only a problem when it becomes an addiction. And when it becomes an addiction, it messes with people's views on social networks as well as actual relationships. I've seen it happen :[

Nidogod
19th June 2008, 2:01 AM
to finally start a debate: should porn be anymore censored or less censored than it already is?

I don't really know what you mean. Different porn mediums have different levels of censoring. Late night Showtime is tame because it's available to a large audience. BangBros doesn't go very kinky because their fanbase more or less wants hot girls getting pounded and nothing more. The horrible depths of the Internet will show you more than you ever want to see.


Seriously, porn is only a problem when it becomes an addiction. And when it becomes an addiction, it messes with people's views on social networks as well as actual relationships. I've seen it happen :[

Yes, I too have seen examples of this. Someone even had to end their marriage because their spouse had a bad porn addiction. Not that you said this, but it's also not porn's fault. A horrible addiction to it is a mental problem with the person watching. I evern recently heard that porn is the main reason that a large number of men can't climax with a woman because they watch so much porn now that it's readily available for free that they are used to their hand.

Also, porn is degrading in many many cases. For every hot girl on a big name site who gets paid thousands of dollars a shoot and loves sex anyway there are probably 50 girls in a dirty basement doing something they don't want to do, catching deseases, and hating life because they desperately need money for some reason or another.

Like any other medium , porn has it's ups and downs. It can be degrading, but not always. It can cause mental problems, but not always. It can be horrible horrible acts of horribleness, but not always.

GhostAnime
19th June 2008, 2:02 AM
there are probably 50 girls in a dirty basement doing something they don't want to do, catching deseases, and hating life because they desperately need money for some reason or another.this is why we need to legalize prostitution.

sanjay120
19th June 2008, 2:08 AM
Yeah, at least with prostitution it isn't taped and sold to the masses.

ReallyOcean
19th June 2008, 7:48 AM
I'm male.

Close thread?

thunderblade12
19th June 2008, 9:29 AM
its natural as long as it doesnt turn out like "2 girls 1 cup."


if you havent seen it..its a popular youtube video that mean, mean friends trick their other friends into watching to disgust them. if you havent seen it, dont watch it

Profesco
19th June 2008, 10:06 AM
why not? don't tell me morals.

Fine. I won't tell you morals.

Oralsmay.

Lol, I'm just pulling your leg.

Over-commercialization of sex leads to greater chances of youth experiencing it, which leads to higher instances of underage sexual activity. When it concerns those adolescents who've hit puberty and have some ability to conceive of consequences, it's one thing; but the very young need time for their minds and bodies to develop before they try to experience such things. Sexual experiences that come too early can be mentally, physically, and emotionally scarring. For that reason, sex should be treated with respect, decency, and privacy. Not like primetime television.

ReallyOcean
19th June 2008, 11:23 AM
Cite your sources?

BUG
19th June 2008, 12:23 PM
Porn is unneeded. Seriously, use your imaginations to fap!

Ragnarofl
19th June 2008, 1:11 PM
As long as it is between:

-Humans
-Consenting humans
-And of age humans

There's NOTHING wrong with it. If you don't like it, don't watch it. That simple.
Thread over.

GhostAnime
19th June 2008, 1:52 PM
profesco, what makes you think giving a pre-teen a naked body of the opposite sex increases their chances of having sex?

Divinity_123
19th June 2008, 3:02 PM
profesco, what makes you think giving a pre-teen a naked body of the opposite sex increases their chances of having sex?
Their developing hormones for one...

Ubernational
19th June 2008, 3:16 PM
its natural as long as it doesnt turn out like "2 girls 1 cup."


if you havent seen it..its a popular youtube video that mean, mean friends trick their other friends into watching to disgust them. if you havent seen it, dont watch it

^^ yeah I saw that one (it was also metioned in Family Guy)

I think thats way past the line along with beastalty, Child and many "fetish" pornos.

The problem I have with the censorship is that many people under 18 have already seen porn and are not affected in a serious life changing for the worse way. Of course all small amount are. The only reason my parents were worried by internet porn.Was because the didnt want a virus on there computer, or a large credit card bill. Not because there were worried for me.

GhostAnime
19th June 2008, 4:06 PM
Their developing hormones for one..... relavance? i don't see the connection. we're talking about pre-teens. you know, the ones that don't even have them yet?

Clash
19th June 2008, 4:12 PM
I personally like to watch masturbation than sex. You can't stop the beat.


Lol, I'm just pulling your leg.

I'm just pullin ya ****!

facetious
19th June 2008, 4:14 PM
I watch porn so I can smother my breasts in my own *** as I CLIMAX.

Rheine
19th June 2008, 4:48 PM
^And? Your point?

Yeah, i'm agree that we've got the right amount of censorship. So, hey why not?
:p

Profesco
19th June 2008, 9:23 PM
Cite your sources?

Uh-oh... Busted! Actually, my only source for most of my knowledge are the odd TIME magazine articles and college courses, on top of what I can remember from high school. ^_^;;;


profesco, what makes you think giving a pre-teen a naked body of the opposite sex increases their chances of having sex?

It's the same idea as the kid who thought he could fly after watching Pokemon. On a more common note, it's the pull of the media, of popularity. Children are impressionable- they want to do what they see.

(By the way, did you mean a picture of a naked body? ;))

Divinity_123
19th June 2008, 9:39 PM
.. relavance? i don't see the connection. we're talking about pre-teens. you know, the ones that don't even have them yet?
Relevance is; some twelve year olds girls begin to get their periods, and boys are starting to 'get' into the opposite sex.

Really now, you're telling me that pre-teens don't have developing hormones? Please, do explain.

GhostAnime
19th June 2008, 10:01 PM
they're barely existent. even then, them watching porn at that time isn't going to have them have sex with random people. they'll just realize their sexuality a little earlier (which is actually better and healthy).

you don't mean to tell me that watching porn at a young age increases your chances of being a pimp/**** do you? because if the hormones aren't there, they're not going to have sex.

and if the hormones are barely there, yeh, i explained this part already.

Elite Lord Sigma
19th June 2008, 10:28 PM
this is why we need to legalize prostitution.
Aren't STD's enough of a problem as it currently stands?

GhostAnime
19th June 2008, 10:29 PM
if you legalize prostution, you can get brothels to CHECK for STD's. you can make it a governmentized requirement.

that would actually lower the rate simply because you leave the ones who will have sex regardless out in the cold, but grab the ones who want to make a job out of it and they'll be required to be safe.

Nidogod
20th June 2008, 12:38 AM
I want to put it on record that I know many kids who began having sex before highschool from as early as 5th grade. None of them ever had any interest in porn. The girls were actually grossed out by it and refused to ever watch it.

canyoubeatme111
20th June 2008, 12:50 AM
its natural as long as it doesnt turn out like "2 girls 1 cup."


if you havent seen it..its a popular youtube video that mean, mean friends trick their other friends into watching to disgust them. if you havent seen it, dont watch it

ya its messed up i sw the 'real' thing , nasty


on topic:

porn only purpose imo is for stress and to get those 'no girl/boy ppl' image about sex and what 2 do during but then theres sex ed

SkittyOnWailord
20th June 2008, 10:22 AM
I don't look at porn, I look at yiffy. For the reason that there are no anthropomorphic cats/foxes/skunks/other furries in real life.

Eclipse
20th June 2008, 11:00 AM
Diffrent strokes for diffrent... blokes.

I find it gross, but if it gives others pleasure, and the people being photographed don't mind, I don't see a problem.

XXXBurningStarIV
21st June 2008, 11:04 AM
I don't see how I can go to frineds houses and their father's have porn laying all around... And the wives don't care. =/
I found porn in my fiancee's closet from 98 and was really upset and sad. But I was a good sport about it. It hurts to know he had seen other women naked. I don't know, I'm really, REALLY jealous. =[ And if I found him watching porn, I would be devastated. Ya know? I mean, I'm always right next to him. He wouldn't need it... Ever.

SuperStarly
21st June 2008, 11:38 AM
I don't see the big deal about porn. It's perfectly natural in every way and most humans will do it at least once in their lives, so parents really shouldn't be telling us off about watching porn. And some people clarify it as "dirty" and "filthy". Therefore, is nature and having kids dirty and filthy? I think not. I just think people should get their heads around the fact that there's nothing inappropriate and we have a right to watch it if we want. Most people have just been misguided.

It's the way we're designed. If having kids wasn't pleasurable to a man and woman, then nobody would do it.

However, I do believe that some porn can mislead people.

Gibbis
21st June 2008, 11:48 AM
It's alight as long as the people in the prono flim are over 18

Ethan
22nd June 2008, 2:23 PM
The issue I have with pornography is where it leads to. As you know all things carry consequence. One risk you take with pornography is addiction. Let's face it. Why do people view pornography? They do it to experience feeling of erotica. It's basically the same principle with any sort of drug. I am not saying all people that view pornography are addicted or comparible to hopeless drug addicts, do not even think about making a straw man. Also comparible to drugs, you need more and more to experience the same feeling you had the first time. After all a man that has seen a naked woman for the first time will probably be more aroused than a man that has slept with multiple women. So now you have an addiction that needs to be fed. Pornography has evolved into more hardcore forms to get that reaction from it's viewers. A few examples of this would be torture pornography, and child pornography. Two of which are clearly not acceptable in today's society. Secondly, the industry isn't always regulated. I'm not saying all the time, but it's very easy for the people participating in the industry to become exploited and abused. On the argument that pornography "empowers" women because they "feel better about their bodies" is utter nonsense. I'm sure they do feel self confident for awhile...until they're dropped like a hot potato after they've turned over the age of 30

GhostAnime
22nd June 2008, 4:01 PM
what on earth are you talking about? being 'addicted' to porn is no different from being 'addicted' to fried chicken.

and no, this isn't a strawman, because the fact that you even mentioned addiction gives me grounds to say this. there is no addiction.

every other argument is silly too. how the woman feels is her problem/business.

as for torture/child, that will exist regardless.

CRAZIE_GUY
22nd June 2008, 4:15 PM
Whatever floats your boat, as long as it doesn't sink mine

Ethan
22nd June 2008, 6:17 PM
what on earth are you talking about? being 'addicted' to porn is no different from being 'addicted' to fried chicken.

Well yes, the addiction in itself is the same. The assumption I'm making is that it's safer to be addicted to fried chicken than pornography.


and no, this isn't a strawman, because the fact that you even mentioned addiction gives me grounds to say this. there is no addiction.

Please explain why, rather than asserting so.


every other argument is silly too. how the woman feels is her problem/business.

So if I treat you like a slave/animal how you react to me is not my problem? Good to know. ;)


as for torture/child, that will exist regardless.

This statement is kind of vague. Could you try explaining what you mean?

GhostAnime
22nd June 2008, 6:32 PM
The assumption I'm making is that it's safer to be addicted to fried chicken than pornography.why? too much fried chicken is physically unhealthy.

most of the porn 'addicts' i met were just fine.


Please explain why, rather than asserting so.because you are misusing the word addiction in a serious context.


So if I treat you like a slave/animal how you react to me is not my problem? Good to know. ;)you seriously think the women are forced? get real.


This statement is kind of vague. Could you try explaining what you mean?in other words, it will exist no matter what you do with porn; ban it, censor it, death penalty it; it will always exist. no point in complaining about it.

Ethan
22nd June 2008, 7:01 PM
why? too much fried chicken is physically unhealthy.

most of the porn 'addicts' i met were just fine

How do you know they were addicted? Secondly I said that a serious addiction to child pornography can not will lead to more hardcore ways to experience the same feelings. Such as torture porn and child porn. I personally weigh those against being physically unhealthy.


because you are misusing the word addiction in a serious context.

Once again, tell me how I'm doing something, rather than just asserting that I am.


you seriously think the women are forced? get real.

Did I say that? I don't believe I did. I said the industry has a dark side. Not all women in the industry are exploited/abused but a great deal are. It may have been a willing choice for he/she to get involved but it's "check in, can't check out" thing.


in other words, it will exist no matter what you do with porn; ban it, censor it, death penalty it; it will always exist. no point in complaining about it.

I didn't say we should get of it. I was talking about why I didn't care for/like it very much. Your attacking an invisible man here.

GhostAnime
22nd June 2008, 7:05 PM
How do you know they were addicted?well, there is no such thing as being 'addicted' to porn so note the apostrophes.


Secondly I said that a serious addiction to child pornography can not will lead to more hardcore ways to experience the same feelings. Such as torture porn and child porn. I personally weigh those against being physically unhealthy.depends. if somebody enjoys one of the extreme ways of having sex but isn't out of their way to break the law, who cares?

that is an extreme minority, anyhow.


Once again, tell me how I'm doing something, rather than just asserting that I am.of course. when you really have an addiction, it is not simply doing something you love. are you addicted to video games? your favorite food? no, you aren't. you just love them. what about those druggies and alcoholics though? they are REALLY addicted because their body tells them that they physically need it.


Did I say that? I don't believe I did. I said the industry has a dark side. Not all women in the industry are exploited/abused but a great deal are. It may have been a willing choice for he/she to get involved but it's "check in, can't check out" thing.they are not 'abused' if it was their choice. i don't see what the problem is. obviously there'd be a problem if they were forced but if they want to do that stuff, why is it a problem?


I didn't say we should get of it. I was talking about why I didn't care for/like it very much. Your attacking an invisible man here.i don't like most role playing games but i still play video games. there are many types of porn.

Nidogod
22nd June 2008, 7:11 PM
why? too much fried chicken is physically unhealthy.

most of the porn 'addicts' i met were just fine.

Like I already said, I know someone whose porn addiction ruined there marriage, and the fact I mentioned before about porn being the leading cause in men who can't properly 'finish' during sex. More and more men are becoming more used to outlandish scenarios and their hands to the point that sex with a woman stops becomming enjoyable.


you seriously think the women are forced? get real.

With this one I'm going to have to tell you to get real. Once again as I already said, the women who go into the industry because they like sex and make great amounts of money are a vast minority. Most women in porn do it because they have no where else to turn and it becomes and experience that scars them.

PsychedelicJellyfish
22nd June 2008, 7:30 PM
I would say that porn is a perfectly acceptable way of relieving sexual tension. As long as the participants are willing and at/above the age of consent, why shouldn't they?

GhostAnime
22nd June 2008, 7:38 PM
Like I already said, I know someone whose porn addiction ruined there marriage, and the fact I mentioned before about porn being the leading cause in men who can't properly 'finish' during sex. More and more men are becoming more used to outlandish scenarios and their hands to the point that sex with a woman stops becomming enjoyable.that doesn't change my point about addiction being as strong as your favorite food or playing WoW. the porn wasn't the problem.


With this one I'm going to have to tell you to get real. Once again as I already said, the women who go into the industry because they like sex and make great amounts of money are a vast minority. Most women in porn do it because they have no where else to turn and it becomes and experience that scars them.1) provide evidence that they are a minority

2) it's still a choice. i could care less. that isn't 'force'.

HyenaHaze
22nd June 2008, 8:09 PM
And here Cracked.com writes an article on porn addiction, which is real, as well as devastating. (http://www.cracked.com/article_15725_great-internet-porn-off.html)

GhostAnime
22nd June 2008, 8:19 PM
i still don't think it's real even by that article.

their first mistake is their small size of testing subjects; with the majority being male. of course males love porn more; they're more sexually 'violent' so to speak.

then they note the 'anxiety' or whatever which isn't really a sign of addiction. you get the same feeling with almost anything else except with porn it's a natural sex urge.

Orihime
22nd June 2008, 8:33 PM
That what i was going to say but if you visit a porn site about women having sex with horse/ other animal it starts to become wrong
Also i don't see it as doing any harme it for old 40 year old men with no wife or girlfriend and young adults to enjoy ( That came out wrong )

>.> *slowly backs away*
XD
It's fine by me!!!
The whole "watching porn" thing
*is a pokephiliac*

Nidogod
22nd June 2008, 9:00 PM
that doesn't change my point about addiction being as strong as your favorite food or playing WoW. the porn wasn't the problem.

I was responding specifically to you saying that the porn addicts you met were just fine, as if porn addiction isn't really a problem. It most certainly is.


1) provide evidence that they are a minority

2) it's still a choice. i could care less. that isn't 'force'.

http://www.dianarussell.com/pornasviolence.html
http://www.victimsofpornography.org/Victims%20Stories/Women%20in%20the%20Sex%20Industy%20-%20Victims%20Stories.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/08/gender.weekend7
http://www.nwci.ie/content/download/256/1166/file/National-ob-ireland2.pdf
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/demand.htm

Touch on the way woman are treated in the industry as well (and moreso) the effect it has on both men and women who consume it. I don't know if you ever watched VH1's Celebrity Rehab, but two of the celebrities on the show had been in porn. One (Jaimee Foxworth) had to do it to feed addictions and as a desperate attempt for money, the other (Mary Carey) went in to the industry loving it and by the end of the show was somewhat ashamed of her choices after hearing from her family. Along with that I'd just like to add that I've seen enough prolapses, blackeyes, women forced to clean up their own vomit on film after being gagged, spitting, choking, slapping/punching, blood, and other such things that I could never really buy that they are doing it out of enjoyment. Also, saying they did on their own free will is a black and white response to a very gray area. Between drugs, feeding themselves and children, and keeping a house it isn't as easy as saying they could stop it if they really wanted to.

Carlisle
22nd June 2008, 9:04 PM
I was responding specifically to you saying that the porn addicts you met were just fine, as if porn addiction isn't really a problem. It most certainly is.



http://www.dianarussell.com/pornasviolence.html
http://www.victimsofpornography.org/Victims%20Stories/Women%20in%20the%20Sex%20Industy%20-%20Victims%20Stories.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/08/gender.weekend7
http://www.nwci.ie/content/download/256/1166/file/National-ob-ireland2.pdf
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/demand.htm

Touch on the way woman are treated in the industry as well (and moreso) the effect it has on both men and women who consume it. I don't know if you ever watched VH1's Celebrity Rehab, but two of the celebrities on the show had been in porn. One (Jaimee Foxworth) had to do it to feed addictions and as a desperate attempt for money, the other (Mary Carey) went in to the industry loving it and by the end of the show was somewhat ashamed of her choices after hearing from her family. Along with that I'd just like to add that I've seen enough prolapses, blackeyes, women forced to clean up their own vomit on film after being gagged, spitting, choking, slapping/punching, blood, and other such things that I could never really buy that they are doing it out of enjoyment. Also, saying they did on their own free will is a black and white response to a very gray area. Between drugs, feeding themselves and children, and keeping a house it isn't as easy as saying they could stop it if they really wanted to.
Who cares. It's not porn, it's the porn companies not keeping things in order.

GhostAnime
22nd June 2008, 9:08 PM
I was responding specifically to you saying that the porn addicts you met were just fine, as if porn addiction isn't really a problem. It most certainly is.that doesn't technically make it an addiction still.

as for your sources, they are extremely long reads and i can barely get the understanding of one of them. are they saying porn causes rape/violence or something to an 'addict'?

as for 'women are abused' or whatever, mind quoting the statistic that says 'the majority of pornstars hate it after/during their career'?


Touch on the way woman are treated in the industry as well (and moreso) the effect it has on both men and women who consume it. I don't know if you ever watched VH1's Celebrity Rehab, but two of the celebrities on the show had been in porn. One (Jaimee Foxworth) had to do it to feed addictions and as a desperate attempt for money, the other (Mary Carey) went in to the industry loving it and by the end of the show was somewhat ashamed of her choices after hearing from her family. Along with that I'd just like to add that I've seen enough prolapses, blackeyes, women forced to clean up their own vomit on film after being gagged, spitting, choking, slapping/punching, blood, and other such things that I could never really buy that they are doing it out of enjoymentnow all i want to know is how common this is. yes, it exists, but i'd like a frequency table so-to-speak.


Also, saying they did on their own free will is a black and white response to a very gray area. Between drugs, feeding themselves and children, and keeping a house it isn't as easy as saying they could stop it if they really wanted to.so why won't they get other jobs then?

Nidogod
22nd June 2008, 10:31 PM
that doesn't technically make it an addiction still.

But it makes it dangerous, and a problem. I never said it was a pure addiction. I said it was problematic after you said it wasn't.


as for your sources, they are extremely long reads and i can barely get the understanding of one of them. are they saying porn causes rape/violence or something to an 'addict'?

The first one said that, although that wasn't why I posted it. It was because a paragraph at the bottom about the lead actress in Deepthroat who after making the movie said it was essentially rape caught on film.


as for 'women are abused' or whatever, mind quoting the statistic that says 'the majority of pornstars hate it after/during their career'?

If raw stats are what you're looking for, I can't show you one saying that the porn industry effects more women negatively than positively same as you can't prove otherwise. If you happen to find something disproving my claim, though, I'd like to see it. It would be a surprise to me.


now all i want to know is how common this is. yes, it exists, but i'd like a frequency table so-to-speak.

Like I said above, I have articles about the way women are treated and stories of specific women. If there is a stat that shows once and for all one way or another what the ratio is of positive and negative is, I'd like to see it as well.


so why won't they get other jobs then?

That's the exact gray area. In lots of cases it's not as easy as walking out and getting a job. I'd assume the easiest thing to do would be a job at some sort of fast food or department store as they are highest in demand. A single mother working minimum wage won't be able to pay for a place to live, herself, and her child. When it comes down to trying your luck finding a real job and running the risk of not making enough, or doing a porn shoot for $1,000 flat, the choice might not be simple.

Ethan
22nd June 2008, 11:36 PM
well, there is no such thing as being 'addicted' to porn so note the apostrophes.

I think your a little confused hear. An addiction means that your body has developed a physical and mental dependence towards a certian object. You are telling me that it is impossible to gain a physical or mental dependence on pornography, which is a claim you have provided no evidence for.


depends. if somebody enjoys one of the extreme ways of having sex but isn't out of their way to break the law, who cares?

Do you mean to tell me that you have no problems with torture/child porn? I think I'm misreading you here, but it certianly sounds iffy.


that is an extreme minority, anyhow.

Statistics?


of course. when you really have an addiction, it is not simply doing something you love. are you addicted to video games? your favorite food? no, you aren't. you just love them. what about those druggies and alcoholics though? they are REALLY addicted because their body tells them that they physically need it.

I challenge you to show a clear and distinct difference. Show me that pornography is merely something that "people love a lot." and cannot be equated to a drug addiction. Secondly viewing the pornography causes the brain to release chemicals like endorphins which causes erotica. It's the same principle with drugs. When you do a drug you use it to experience a certian feeling and trick your brain into releasing chemicals to make you experience that certian feeling. Therefore it's perfectly plausible that one could be addicted to pornography in the same sense as one is addicted cocaine.


they are not 'abused' if it was their choice. i don't see what the problem is. obviously there'd be a problem if they were forced but if they want to do that stuff, why is it a problem?

Not quite. If I check into the hotel and the hosts turn out to be assholes, that doesn't mean it was my choice to have them act like that to me. Secondly, do you mean to tell me that if a woman wished to engage in torture porn, she should be able to? Likewise a child with child porn?


i don't like most role playing games but i still play video games. there are many types of porn.


Justify your analogy.

GhostAnime
22nd June 2008, 11:36 PM
But it makes it dangerous, and a problem. I never said it was a pure addiction. I said it was problematic after you said it wasn't.it can be a problem with some people, but it's not a MASS problem. fine.


If raw stats are what you're looking for, I can't show you one saying that the porn industry effects more women negatively than positively same as you can't prove otherwise. If you happen to find something disproving my claim, though, I'd like to see it. It would be a surprise to me.while i also do not have anything saying that most women are fine with what they do, i feel that that should be the default position. there are thousands of pornstars. i think it's logically reasonable to assume that at least 50% of them were happy at the time; otherwise there wouldn't really be that many.


When it comes down to trying your luck finding a real job and running the risk of not making enough, or doing a porn shoot for $1,000 flat, the choice might not be simple.compelling case. sounds a lot like me arguing for prostitution back then.

i still have much doubt on the majority of porn sites actually treating their women like trash physically outside of the sex scene (and even in it).


I think your a little confused hear. An addiction means that your body has developed a physical and mental dependence towards a certian object. You are telling me that it is impossible to gain a physical or mental dependence on pornography, which is a claim you have provided no evidence for.shifting the burden of proof will get you nowhere. you first must provide evidence that you can be addicted to porn the same way you can be addicted to drugs.


Do you mean to tell me that you have no problems with torture/child porn? I think I'm misreading you here, but it certianly sounds iffy.that's just my personal opinion of someone actually watching or being attracted to that stuff. children don't have the same rights as adults so of course i'd still make it illegal. torture is painful (but then again... i'm a libertarian.. i might reconsider this).


Statistics?the statistics of people liking child porn and.... torture? .. isn't that common sense? it's not even natural to be attracted to kids having sex; of course it's a minority.


I challenge you to show a clear and distinct difference. Show me that pornography is merely something that "people love a lot." and cannot be equated to a drug addiction.i don't have to do this. you can research on nicotine and see why smokers can't quit smoking, but there is no chemical that physically forces somebody to not stop watching porn with simply using their will.


Secondly viewing the pornography causes the brain to release chemicals like endorphins which causes erotica. It's the same principle with drugs. When you do a drug you use it to experience a certian feeling and trick your brain into releasing chemicals to make you experience that certian feeling. Therefore it's perfectly plausible that one could be addicted to pornography in the same sense as one is addicted cocaine.one chemical is natural; the other is done by the product. they aren't comparable.


Not quite. If I check into the hotel and the hosts turn out to be assholes, that doesn't mean it was my choice to have them act like that to me. Secondly, do you mean to tell me that if a woman wished to engage in torture porn, she should be able to? Likewise a child with child porn?firstly, to your last two questions: no.

for your hotel analogy.. i don't see how it applies. they're pretty much acting. if they do not like the idea of being a pornstar, they would not have made the choice. however, they don't like it during the act, they can easily quit; just like you can easily leave the hotel if you're not satisfied.


Justify your analogy.hey you said you weren't interested in porn because child/torture disgusts you, right? i may have got it wrong but i'm just saying that's not really a good reason to not like porn. =P

Kosmo
23rd June 2008, 2:13 AM
Wow. What a sorry excuse for a debate. There are some real masters of logic and science here. [/sarcasm]

If you make up a claim, you should provide proof and not ask the other side to prove the claim you just pulled out of your *** is impossible. Geez.

Oh, and hurray for anecdotal evidence!!!

Getting back on topic... Porn may or may not be addictive. I'm leaning towards not, due to lack of evidence, but even if it is, I still believe it should be legal (as should drugs, btw). Also, I could be wrong, but to be classified as a addiction doesn't it have to impede on your life in some way?

As for the anecdotes about abuse in the industry, again, it may be true. Unfortunately, anecdotes that aren't well documented by trustworthy sources are hardly evidence, and if even if they are true, is that enough to shut down a whole industry of, at least mostly, consenting adults in a free society?

Profesco
23rd June 2008, 2:43 AM
I challenge you to show a clear and distinct difference. Show me that pornography is merely something that "people love a lot." and cannot be equated to a drug addiction. Secondly viewing the pornography causes the brain to release chemicals like endorphins which causes erotica. It's the same principle with drugs. When you do a drug you use it to experience a certian feeling and trick your brain into releasing chemicals to make you experience that certian feeling. Therefore it's perfectly plausible that one could be addicted to pornography in the same sense as one is addicted cocaine.

Bravo, Babs!

@GhostAnime: they are too comparable. The effect is the same; pleasurable chemicals are released by using the product. Porn can be addicting, and that's just plain common knowledge. Aside from the articles Nidogod has provided and the explanation from Babylon, there are plenty of cases of sex addiction being treated by psychologists. In fact, I would find it incredibly hard to believe that you've never heard of a sex addition or an internet pornography addiction, GA, given how knowledgeable you otherwise appear to be.

Ethan
23rd June 2008, 3:10 AM
shifting the burden of proof will get you nowhere. you first must provide evidence that you can be addicted to porn the same way you can be addicted to drugs.

I did below, you argued that they weren't comparable which is a topic we will continue.


that's just my personal opinion of someone actually watching or being attracted to that stuff. children don't have the same rights as adults so of course i'd still make it illegal. torture is painful (but then again... i'm a libertarian.. i might reconsider this).

Then I'll just leave this here then.


the statistics of people liking child porn and.... torture? .. isn't that common sense? it's not even natural to be attracted to kids having sex; of course it's a minority.

Minority or not, given the vast size of the industry, it's still a fairly large number.


i don't have to do this. you can research on nicotine and see why smokers can't quit smoking, but there is no chemical that physically forces somebody to not stop watching porn with simply using their will.

Excuse me, but what are you saying?


one chemical is natural; the other is done by the product. they aren't comparable.

No. Drugs trigger your brain into releasing natural chemical like endorphins and dopamine. The only difference is pulling on your penis or lighting up your crack stick. Either way, the same objective is accomplished.


for your hotel analogy.. i don't see how it applies. they're pretty much acting. if they do not like the idea of being a pornstar, they would not have made the choice. however, they don't like it during the act, they can easily quit; just like you can easily leave the hotel if you're not satisfied.

Nidogof touched on this quite well.


hey you said you weren't interested in porn because child/torture disgusts you, right? i may have got it wrong but i'm just saying that's not really a good reason to not like porn. =P

Well if there was no porn at all, there would be no negative sideaffects such as child porn or torture porn. ^_^ Again, I'm not agruing for a ban, I'm arguing as to why I don't like/care for it.



Wow. What a sorry excuse for a debate. There are some real masters of logic and science here. [/sarcasm]

If you make up a claim, you should provide proof and not ask the other side to prove the claim you just pulled out of your *** is impossible. Geez.

What a sorry excuse for a debater. Before you come in here acting like a pompous ***, fall off your high horse and actually debate instead of pointing fingers.

Oh, and hurray for anecdotal evidence!!!


Getting back on topic... Porn may or may not be addictive. I'm leaning towards not, due to lack of evidence, but even if it is, I still believe it should be legal (as should drugs, btw). Also, I could be wrong, but to be classified as a addiction doesn't it have to impede on your life in some way?

Are you arguing that an addiction to pornography does not impede one's life?


As for the anecdotes about abuse in the industry, again, it may be true. Unfortunately, anecdotes that aren't well documented by trustworthy sources are hardly evidence, and if even if they are true, is that enough to shut down a whole industry of, at least mostly, consenting adults in a free society?

Depends on your looking glass.

Oh, and thankyou Profesco! ^_^

xAngel_Of_Sorrowx
23rd June 2008, 3:15 AM
i dont see the fuss with porn...once youve seen one movie you have seen them all ¬_¬

GhostAnime
23rd June 2008, 3:18 AM
@GhostAnime: they are too comparable. The effect is the same; pleasurable chemicals are released by using the product. Porn can be addicting, and that's just plain common knowledge.profesco of all people doesnt even know what an actual addiction is? surprising! don't you dare criticize my intelligence and throw 'common sense' at me about something as scientific as this. show your evidence.

'pleasurable chemicals': again, one is natural, and one is something that involves the product. that isn't a fair comparison.


Minority or not, given the vast size of the industry, it's still a fairly large number.uh, okay. well, anything else you'd like to say about this?


Excuse me, but what are you saying?i'm saying nicotine is something that involves a REAL addiction because it fools the body into thinking it needs more while a porn addiction is no different from my addiction to fast food or a WoW addict. of course, there are two types of addicts: one that's based on will, and one that is based on chemicals that aren't natural to the body.


No. Drugs trigger your brain into releasing natural chemical like endorphins and dopamine. The only difference is pulling on your penis or lighting up your crack stick. Either way, the same objective is accomplished.you're still ignoring the fact that it's nicotine; something that doesn't come from inside the body itself.

come on seriously, you can get a porn lover to quit porn faster than a guy to quit smoking/weed/alcohol. they actually need more help than just them stopping.

Ethan
23rd June 2008, 3:34 AM
profesco of all people doesnt even know what an actual addiction is? surprising! don't you dare criticize my intelligence and throw 'common sense' at me about something as scientific as this. show your evidence.

Awfully prideful. Perhaps your compensating for something?



i'm saying nicotine is something that involves a REAL addiction because it fools the body into thinking it needs more while a porn addiction is no different from my addiction to fast food or a WoW addict. of course, there are two types of addicts: one that's based on will, and one that is based on chemicals that aren't natural to the body.

Yet you've only given an example of one drug. Obviously not all drugs work that as I've already explained. Yet you keep ignoring it. Typical.


you're still ignoring the fact that it's nicotine; something that doesn't come from inside the body itself.

Wow Sherlock, you came up with one drug. Methamphetamine addicts would still like to have a word with you.


come on seriously, you can get a porn lover to quit porn faster than a guy to quit smoking/weed/alcohol. they actually need more help than just them stopping.

Dry claim.

GhostAnime
23rd June 2008, 3:40 AM
okay babylon how about this: what about WoW addicts? what keeps them from not getting up other than using the bathroom and eating?

oh, and may i introduce a decent source: http://men.webmd.com/guide/is-pornography-addictive

Kosmo
23rd June 2008, 3:49 AM
What a sorry excuse for a debater. Before you come in here acting like a pompous ***, fall off your high horse and actually debate instead of pointing fingers.

The fact that you jump to an ad-hominem attack, instead of addressing the debate, and your (anecdotal) "evidence" just proves my point.




Are you arguing that an addiction to pornography does not impede one's life?


I'm saying that to qualify as an addiction it has to impede on one's life.



Depends on your looking glass.


Well personally, I think that the best way to handle this is to make women feel like they can come forward in cases of abuse, no matter what industry they are in. And of course, abusers need to be prosecuted, but I'm not sure if that's not already being done. It would be much harder for abused women to come forward if porn was illegal. (Think the prostitution industry).

By the way, I only meant to insult the logic of the debate, not you personally. Sorry.

Jhonny
23rd June 2008, 12:40 PM
Did...did this thread actually turn into a debate? Good lord!



The fact that you jump to an ad-hominem attack, instead of addressing the debate, and your (anecdotal) "evidence" just proves my point.




I'm saying that to qualify as an addiction it has to impede on one's life.
Yarg, classic addiction is when it damages how life would otherwise be (and negatively) I did think however that anecdotal evidence was appropriate at that time. If real examples can be found then obviously we would have a strong case for porn addiction being a real and existing problem. HyenaHaze has an article on page 3 but i can't open it for some reason, was it sufficient? In any case I think that we need a more established idea of what addiction is because that's where a lot of the disagreement is coming from.



Well personally, I think that the best way to handle this is to make women feel like they can come forward in cases of abuse, no matter what industry they are in. And of course, abusers need to be prosecuted, but I'm not sure if that's not already being done. It would be much harder for abused women to come forward if porn was illegal. (Think the prostitution industry).

By the way, I only meant to insult the logic of the debate, not you personally. Sorry.

That makes complete sense at first, but the people who get into the prostitution business are not necessarily like the people in the porn industry so we couldn't draw out one conclusion from another. The situations of how the people making the money fall into the business would also affect this.

Kosmo
23rd June 2008, 7:31 PM
Yarg, classic addiction is when it damages how life would otherwise be (and negatively) I did think however that anecdotal evidence was appropriate at that time. If real examples can be found then obviously we would have a strong case for porn addiction being a real and existing problem.

I disagree. A few stories aren't enough to paint an entire industry. That's not to say anecdotes don't have their place. If it had already been confirmed through reputable studies and police statistics that there was widespread abuse in the industry then it would be perfectly acceptable to provide examples of the kind of abuse. The same goes for addiction. (Although, for addiction it does mean, or at least hint at, that it's possible.)



HyenaHaze has an article on page 3 but i can't open it for some reason, was it sufficient? In any case I think that we need a more established idea of what addiction is because that's where a lot of the disagreement is coming from.


A "study" from cracked.com? Haha wow.


As for the definition, I use the most common definition, as found in several dictionaries and Wikipedia. Basically, I read an addiction as something one's body builds a physical dependence on, and that hurts the day to day operations of that person.



That makes complete sense at first, but the people who get into the prostitution business are not necessarily like the people in the porn industry so we couldn't draw out one conclusion from another. The situations of how the people making the money fall into the business would also affect this.

Will you please elaborate?



After thinking about it, I would like to concede that there is, infact, porn addiction. The biology of it makes sense. So there.

Alexcore
23rd June 2008, 7:47 PM
obviously it's people own choice wether or not they want to watch porn, if they do want to they shouldnt be condemned, hated, despised of etc.

GhostAnime
23rd June 2008, 8:35 PM
there is an addiction in a mental sense but NOT in the same sense as drugs.

you can be addicted to porn about as much as i can be addicted to my favorite food.

Kosmo
23rd June 2008, 9:08 PM
there is an addiction in a mental sense but NOT in the same sense as drugs.

you can be addicted to porn about as much as i can be addicted to my favorite food.

Aren't all three just exploiting the chemical systems of the brain, food and porn exploiting the rewards system?

GhostAnime
23rd June 2008, 9:26 PM
just because something is repeatable and highly enjoyable by many does not make it addictive. let me explain, you see, alcohol is addictive. if you stop drinking alcohol had you been binge drinking you will see seriously damaging side effects. if you stop masturbating you will not see any of these side effects.

Ethan
23rd June 2008, 9:44 PM
okay babylon how about this: what about WoW addicts? what keeps them from not getting up other than using the bathroom and eating?

Your body can be addicted to anything. Wow, fried chicken, or pornography. I'm arguing that certian addictions are more dangerous than other, in this case pornography out of the three mentioned.


The fact that you jump to an ad-hominem attack, instead of addressing the debate, and your (anecdotal) "evidence" just proves my point.

This is really quite silly. You came here claiming that the logic of the thread/logic others were using was bad without directly responding to any one person's individual point. You briefly touched on the matter of anecdotal evidence, but there was hardly any material to work with. Second of all, you go on to say how unreliable anecdotal evidence is, then say that anecdotal evidence has it's place. Since how we are dealing with abuses in the porn industry anecdotal evidence is the best evidence we have. Sure you could post photographic evidence, however you would be swiftly banned. Let's work with the tools given us.


I'm saying that to qualify as an addiction it has to impede on one's life.

That's completely subjective. So if a person addicted to heroin doesn't believe his life is being negativley affected, how does that make him any less addicted?


By the way, I only meant to insult the logic of the debate, not you personally. Sorry.

....Oh. ^^;

GhostAnime
23rd June 2008, 9:46 PM
babylon, but the thing is, being addicted to wow, porn, and fried chicken don't give you serious withdrawal effects like drugs do.

Ethan
23rd June 2008, 9:55 PM
babylon, but the thing is, being addicted to wow, porn, and fried chicken don't give you serious withdrawal effects like drugs do.


Even porn has serious to mild withdrawal symptoms.


http://www.sexualcontrol.com/sex-addiction-masturbation-pornography_13.html#toc-symptoms

GhostAnime
23rd June 2008, 10:00 PM
those signs can be found in anything.

yes, people can get hooked to porn enough to ruin their lives. so can WoW addicts. a guy died because of being addicted to WoW. is WoW a bad game now? (that is, if you're suggesting that porn is bad because people can get hooked on it).

though, there is still a difference between porn and 'real addictions'. you can quit porn with simply using your will. it takes more on coffee and weed.

Kosmo
23rd June 2008, 10:18 PM
Your body can be addicted to anything. Wow, fried chicken, or pornography. I'm arguing that certian addictions are more dangerous than other, in this case pornography out of the three mentioned.


Some people would argue that fried chicken can be pretty dangerous.




This is really quite silly. You came here claiming that the logic of the thread/logic others were using was bad without directly responding to any one person's individual point.

Does that make my criticism any less valid? Oh, and bad logic doesn't necessarily mean a statement is untrue, so I wasn't saying that. It just doesn't make a proof. And there are very little "facts" to critique here.



You briefly touched on the matter of anecdotal evidence, but there was hardly any material to work with. Second of all, you go on to say how unreliable anecdotal evidence is, then say that anecdotal evidence has it's place. Since how we are dealing with abuses in the porn industry anecdotal evidence is the best evidence we have. Sure you could post photographic evidence, however you would be swiftly banned. Let's work with the tools given us.


If anecdotal evidence is the best we have, then we can draw no good conclusions about the industry. I can give anecdotes about great careers porn stars have had, but does that mean anything? Not necessarily.



That's completely subjective. So if a person addicted to heroin doesn't believe his life is being negativley affected, how does that make him any less addicted?

Yeah, it is subjective.




....Oh. ^^;

Indeed.

Profesco
24th June 2008, 3:08 AM
profesco of all people doesnt even know what an actual addiction is? surprising! don't you dare criticize my intelligence and throw 'common sense' at me about something as scientific as this. show your evidence.

Hey, GhostAnime, calm down. I wasn't criticizing your intelligence; it was meant as a compliment. Don't you know by now that I like and respect you? =/ The way you interpreted that post of mine- I'm not like that, GA.

An addiction has both physical AND psychological consequences. Some addictions, like those to hard drugs, have more serious physical symptoms, but some other addictions, like ones to porn or sex or WoW can have more serious psychological symptoms. People can indeed become addicted to porn, and even WoW. Furthermore, these addictions can hinder a person's normal functioning in society and life in general.


'pleasurable chemicals': again, one is natural, and one is something that involves the product. that isn't a fair comparison.

In both examples, some stimulus is sending the message to the brain to release a certain chemical. The vehicle of this message makes no difference. Biologically, the exact same process is happening.

OrganizationXIII
24th June 2008, 3:15 AM
I agree with you Profesco porn is good and all to release stress but you can easily get addicted to it and it will affect your Psych

GhostAnime
24th June 2008, 3:17 AM
An addiction has both physical AND psychological consequences. Some addictions, like those to hard drugs, have more serious physical symptoms, but some other addictions, like ones to porn or sex or WoW can have more serious psychological symptoms. People can indeed become addicted to porn, and even WoW. Furthermore, these addictions can hinder a person's normal functioning in society and life in general. you're right. they can. i don't see the point of mentioning this though when this goes for absolutely everything.


I agree with you Profesco porn is good and all to release stress but you can easily get addicted to it and it will affect your Psychguess what else this applies to? kingdom hearts

Profesco
24th June 2008, 3:26 AM
you're right. they can. i don't see the point of mentioning this though when this goes for absolutely everything.

Oh. Well... what exactly was it we were debating again? =/

John13wb
26th June 2008, 4:53 AM
I view it as a legit way to relieve stress.

Thanks to it, I was able to jack off 96 times in one day. No joke.

kochoupink
26th June 2008, 5:33 AM
This thread title lies. There is nothing to fap to here.



Thanks to it, I was able to jack off 96 times in one day. No joke.
You must have been very sore the next day.

On a more on-topic note, I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to join in on the "porn is addicting" side, because it does trick your brain into releasing excess chemicals that can make you lose interest in the real thing, and need more porn to get the same result.
However, like most things, it's fine in moderation.

GhostAnime
26th June 2008, 9:27 AM
porn can get you hooked; just like lord of the ring books.

in other words, it's still not in the same boat as real addictions.

Tabs The Omnipotent Hamster
26th June 2008, 9:50 AM
I view it as a legit way to relieve stress.

Thanks to it, I was able to jack off 96 times in one day. No joke.

....That's...

Sad.

Jhonny
26th June 2008, 1:54 PM
porn can get you hooked; just like lord of the ring books.

in other words, it's still not in the same boat as real addictions.

See but I think that it can be classed as a real addiction and that the only source of debate is coming from a conceptual confusion. Whether or not there is a legitimate distinction between physiological addiction and psychological distinction seems to be where the disagreement is coming from.

GhostAnime
26th June 2008, 3:46 PM
so why can it be classed as a real addiction? mental doesn't cut it. if there are no side effects to not masturbating; then it can't be.

that's another thing; once you declare that it's an addiction, you're pretty much saying masturbation is a real addiction.

.. haha, how often do you guys masturbate? are you addicted? can't go more than a week without it? you damn addicts.

John13wb
26th June 2008, 3:51 PM
You must have been very sore the next day.



Well, actually, I did it to prove a point that I had perfected my technique.

So I got a bottle of Banana Lotion and the entire series called "Tight Asian ****s". So I reached 48 in about 5 hours and since I had reached my record, I kept going. Then I didn't fap for another 4 weeks.

kochoupink
26th June 2008, 6:04 PM
Well, actually, I did it to prove a point that I had perfected my technique.

So I got a bottle of Banana Lotion and the entire series called "Tight Asian ****s". So I reached 48 in about 5 hours and since I had reached my record, I kept going. Then I didn't fap for another 4 weeks.

Consider yourself sigged.
Also, I am very impressed.

Profesco
28th June 2008, 8:24 AM
so why can it be classed as a real addiction? mental doesn't cut it. if there are no side effects to not masturbating; then it can't be.

that's another thing; once you declare that it's an addiction, you're pretty much saying masturbation is a real addiction.

.. haha, how often do you guys masturbate? are you addicted? can't go more than a week without it? you damn addicts.

Didn't somebody already point out that overuse of pornography and the related masturbation can lead to an inability to experience full sexual pleasure with an appropriate partner? That seems like quite a serious side-effect.

Kosmo
28th June 2008, 8:29 AM
Didn't somebody already point out that overuse of pornography and the related masturbation can lead to an inability to experience full sexual pleasure with an appropriate partner? That seems like quite a serious side-effect.

What do we do about this side effect? Warnings? A Ban?

Profesco
28th June 2008, 8:34 AM
What do we do about this side effect? Warnings? A Ban?

Maybe we should promote the use of appropriate sexual partners over the use of pornography?

No, wait a minute...

LugiaRules
28th June 2008, 8:54 AM
No, wait a minute...

Yeah, that's what I thought.

GhostAnime
28th June 2008, 9:19 AM
Didn't somebody already point out that overuse of pornography and the related masturbation can lead to an inability to experience full sexual pleasure with an appropriate partner? That seems like quite a serious side-effect.
this has more to do with the person than porn.

metroidfan987
28th June 2008, 9:21 AM
One of the earlier posts mentioned that a person can become too dependant on more outlandish scenarios presented in porn. For example, the only kind of porn I've been watching is BDSM(bondage). However, I realize now that this current dependancy might pose a problem when I get married. So now I'm gonna make an effort to detach myself from this kind of porn for my own good. Well, I might indulge occasionally. As for fulfilling my ever-present need for climaxes, I'll go back to using ordinary pictures of celebrities.

blackrose
28th June 2008, 9:31 AM
porn is natural, sex is one of the human needs, like food (i think). There isnothing wrong with watching it as long as it is between, consenting humans, and people of the legal age :)

metroidfan987
28th June 2008, 7:40 PM
sex is one of the human needs, like food (i think).

Well, yeah our sex drives are as strong as our food drives. But unlike food, one can survive without sexual activity. Celibates are living proof of that.

Fused
29th June 2008, 5:35 AM
Well, yeah our sex drives are as strong as our food drives. But unlike food, one can survive without sexual activity. Celibates are living proof of that.

true, but here's a few things:

sex is technically exercise. If you have sex 2-3 times a week, it could make up for not going to the gym.

with women, anyways, their genital tract can absorb a hormone from semen that, for some reason, makes you more happy so that way you're not depressed and want to take a flying leap.

sex also increases certain antibody's which we all know helps the immune system, so its less likely for you to get a cold or the flu.

Semen also has certain minerals that in fact helps your teeth.

Now technically, a lot of sex is good for women and not men.

resource: http://www.forbes.com/2003/10/08/cz_af_1008health.html

anyways, looking at porn is natural and truly needs no justification. If you look, you look. If you don't want to, then don't. Now I'm not saying "Let your eight year old look at porn." but by the time you're, at least, 13-14, you should know what all of that stuff is and what it does and how it works, and anyways, thats about the age that kids start looking at porn. I won't lie, I look on average twice a week, and not at much. some content even turns my stomach. but all I'm saying is that looking at porn isn't wrong. seriously, for parents, their kid looking at porn and not having sex with other people is probably a good thing.

GhostAnime
29th June 2008, 5:45 AM
sex is technically exercise. If you have sex 2-3 times a week, it could make up for not going to the gym.
that is completely bogus. america wouldn't be so overweight then. in fact; hardly anybody would if it was THAT much of an excercise.

Fused
29th June 2008, 5:50 AM
that is completely bogus. america wouldn't be so overweight then. in fact; hardly anybody would if it was THAT much of an excercise.

but its not THAT much of exercise, but its still exercise. seriously, you can't expect to be all buffed up after two days at the gym, so you can't expect to be all buffed up after two rounds of one-on-one, or one-on two, or whatever floats your boat.

GhostAnime
29th June 2008, 5:52 AM
but i still doubt having sex 3 times a week is about as much as a few days in the gym. gym work is serious even if you aren't trying to get buff.

Fused
29th June 2008, 5:55 AM
OVER TIME, it would make up for missing a FEW days at the gym. But the point being, its exercise.

ShinyRay5
29th June 2008, 6:16 AM
but i still doubt having sex 3 times a week is about as much as a few days in the gym. gym work is serious even if you aren't trying to get buff.

it does count as exercise! healthy people exercise and eat healthy. you are missing half of the aspect. you can have as much sex as you want but if you dont diet correctly you wont loose a pound.

GhostAnime
29th June 2008, 6:22 AM
i realize that it's exercise but it's not as much as you're putting it.

ShinyRay5
29th June 2008, 6:30 AM
i realize that it's exercise but it's not as much as you're putting it.

well i doesn't matter if your opposed to that fact then go to the gym for exercise. the sex could be the warm up. =]

but anyway isn't this a porn disscusion? i beieve porno is a form of art! and that reminds me of gym sex scenes! lol

Fused
29th June 2008, 6:33 AM
well i doesn't matter if your opposed to that fact then go to the gym for exercise. the sex could be the warm up. =]

but anyway isn't this a porn disscusion? i beieve porno is a form of art! and that reminds me of gym sex scenes! lol

that reminds me of gym sex I walked in on once. (goes to vomit)

ShinyRay5
29th June 2008, 6:34 AM
that reminds me of gym sex I walked in on once. (goes to vomit)

like gay sex?

ShinyRay5
29th June 2008, 6:38 AM
like gay sex?

ok that sounded weird! lol i ment did you walk in on straight couple or gay?

GiratinaShaymin<3
29th June 2008, 6:40 AM
its really gross actually sad old men..

HERBERT THE PERVURT!

Fused
29th June 2008, 6:42 AM
ok that sounded weird! lol i ment did you walk in on straight couple or gay?

gay. the locker room. jockstraps on the bench and naked butts on the floor. UGGHHHHH! you'd think that they would've blocked the door or something.



GiratinaShaymin<3, its not sad. I mean, yeah there should come a time in your life where you realize you don't need porn anymore, but its not sad.

ShinyRay5
29th June 2008, 6:42 AM
its really gross actually sad old men..

HERBERT THE PERVURT!

¿Que? what are you talking about?

ShinyRay5
29th June 2008, 6:44 AM
gay. the locker room. jockstraps on the bench and naked butts on the floor. UGGHHHHH! you'd think that they would've blocked the door or something.



GiratinaShaymin<3, its not sad. I mean, yeah there should come a time in your life where you realize you don't need porn anymore, but its not sad.

gross i imagine them old man balls were everywhere! lol

ShinyRay5
29th June 2008, 6:52 AM
so funny story:

one time when i was like 13ish me and some friends where searching for porn. (first time)

then we found a link that had a guy with a huged finer in from of him. we were curios so we clicked on it... and that was the scaring first gay image horror!!! XD

GiratinaShaymin<3
29th June 2008, 9:54 AM
Herburt is the old guy from family guy.

and im a girl.
i dont need no damn porn
*huff*

chuboy
29th June 2008, 10:01 AM
Girls watch porn too, just statistically nowhere near as much as men.

ShinyRay5
30th June 2008, 12:03 AM
Herburt is the old guy from family guy.

and im a girl.
i dont need no damn porn
*huff*

oh yeah! that guy has a real funny voice!

well dont you have urdes? i have a real close friend that watches porn almost as much as me and she cant get enough of it!

and even if girls dont watch porn they still need so kind of sexual stimulation. that why my friend also bought a sex toy. ^_^

kochoupink
30th June 2008, 8:08 AM
Ghostanime, sex burns 200 calories an hour and tightens your abs. True story.

To kind of add to the debate, I've got a question for y'all: Do you think porn is more socially acceptable now than it was before widespread internet use?

GhostAnime
30th June 2008, 3:35 PM
Ghostanime, sex burns 200 calories an hour and tightens your abs. True story.
i could use some abs, then.


To kind of add to the debate, I've got a question for y'all: Do you think porn is more socially acceptable now than it was before widespread internet use?
nope.

ShinyRay5
1st July 2008, 8:00 AM
Ghostanime, sex burns 200 calories an hour and tightens your abs. True story.

To kind of add to the debate, I've got a question for y'all: Do you think porn is more socially acceptable now than it was before widespread internet use?

This seems to be true for the people in my age group. Most the guys i know watch porn at least every week of when ever there is some down time. so i think it most accepted among teens and people even up like in the mid 20s. Around that age they start to grow out of it and maturity kicks in.

And it is only natural for parents to be against pornography b/c it there duty. Eventhough they too have probably watched porn around the same age, i think it just a way to try and advance this whole social group. It usually only insights us to rebel when we are told what not to do, but I know teens and are totally against porn. In a way i look up to them for there maturity because porn is a luxury - not necessary for survival!

Just in case you forgot for any addicts out there. ;)

Shinin
1st July 2008, 10:15 PM
To kind of add to the debate, I've got a question for y'all: Do you think porn is more socially acceptable now than it was before widespread internet use?

Maybe a little, due to the new ease of finding it.

Profesco
2nd July 2008, 3:02 PM
this has more to do with the person than porn.

Would you mind elaborating a little, GhostAnime?

GhostAnime
2nd July 2008, 3:33 PM
in other words, porn isn't a REAL addiction. that person just really enjoys porn like we enjoy video games.

Dattebayo
2nd July 2008, 10:18 PM
I find porno really offensive to me because it devalues men and women, but as long as the models cover their private parts and don't show their gross fetishes, I'm fine with it.

Regan
2nd July 2008, 11:36 PM
I find porno really offensive to me because it devalues men and women, but as long as the models cover their private parts and don't show their gross fetishes, I'm fine with it.

Personal opinions go here (http://www.serebiiforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=8)


in other words, porn isn't a REAL addiction. that person just really enjoys porn like we enjoy video games.

What about the guy that spent like 2m in 6 months watching it? I mean, he couldn't have been in his right mind to do that. Geez, he must have been like.. addicted or something.

Thats like saying stuff like alcohol isn't addictive. Anything with a specific chemical impluse that creates a physical dependency is a craving. This happens with porn.

ShinyRay5
2nd July 2008, 11:54 PM
This seems to be true for the people in my age group. Most the guys i know watch porn at least every week of when ever there is some down time. so i think it most accepted among teens and people even up like in the mid 20s. Around that age they start to grow out of it and maturity kicks in.

And it is only natural for parents to be against pornography b/c it there duty. Eventhough they too have probably watched porn around the same age, i think it just a way to try and advance this whole social group. It usually only insights us to rebel when we are told what not to do, but I know teens and are totally against porn. In a way i look up to them for there maturity because porn is a luxury - not necessary for survival!

Just in case you forgot for any addicts out there. ;)

Well this post seemed to be contributing to the discussion! I assure you that I'm a good debater & the only reason I posted the previous ones was to lighten up this thread a bit.

I excuse myself for being inconsiderate of other people's feelings toward the topic, but I am not the only one that should. ;)

Thanks Rave for correcting me on my mistakes! ^_^

GhostAnime
2nd July 2008, 11:56 PM
you didn't really say anything different. i already explained why it isn't a real addiction simply because it has no bad side-effects for stopping.

and datte, how does it devalue men and women? i'd say it gives them more value.

oh and what's the point of porn if they aren't naked? sheesh.

ShinyRay5
3rd July 2008, 12:00 AM
This seems to be true for the people in my age group. Most the guys i know watch porn at least every week of when ever there is some down time. so i think it most accepted among teens and people even up like in the mid 20s. Around that age they start to grow out of it and maturity kicks in.

And it is only natural for parents to be against pornography b/c it there duty. Eventhough they too have probably watched porn around the same age, i think it just a way to try and advance this whole social group. It usually only insights us to rebel when we are told what not to do, but I know teens and are totally against porn. In a way i look up to them for there maturity because porn is a luxury - not necessary for survival!

Just in case you forgot for any addicts out there. ;)

Well this post seemed to be contributing to the discussion! I assure you that I'm a good debater & the only reason I posted the previous ones was to lighten up this thread a bit.

I excuse myself for being inconsiderate of other people's feelings toward the topic, but I am not the only one that should. ;)

Thanks Rave for correcting me on my mistakes! ^_^

Its a hard topic to deal with consider there are many kids on the forum. But it all helps us express ourselves & construct a new us or be aware of what's going on

poke'master
3rd July 2008, 12:10 AM
haha im suprised anybody is upset by porn.. Theres nothing wrong with it i mean.. its just sex. Now i know alot of girls get weird around it and find it gross/wrong etc but they arent the intended audience lol. Blokes are. We love it. I dont know a guy who doesnt. Im 20 and theres nothing better then throwing it on now and again... I challenge any guy to dissagree. As for:
I find porno really offensive to me because it devalues men and women, but as long as the models cover their private parts and don't show their gross fetishes, I'm fine with it. ROFL get over it. I'm assuming your a girl so again.. it isn't really intended for you lol and It doesnt devalue anybody. They love it, the millions apon millions who watch it don't feel devalued.. just releaved ;) People should really state if they are guy or girl in their threads so it's more obvious because both genders have a completly different take on the whole thing

Blurrz
3rd July 2008, 12:46 AM
Whether or not you like porn, it's something that is out there.

Just make sure if you are under 18, or the legal age, don't get caught!

:P

kpt25
3rd July 2008, 1:08 AM
Whether or not you like porn, it's something that is out there.

Just make sure if you are under 18, or the legal age, don't get caught!

:P
Even if you get caught,what`s the worst that can happen to you?
Grounded for a week or so? Many ppl can live with that... :D

Ppl watches porn for pleasure,estimulating,because of the ridiculous ways that a situation can lead to sex,and mainly ,because they want
Couples might even watch it as a warm up for a sex encounter or to get ideas for new sex fantasies to try out... :?
Sex is actually what makes us all...if you dad and mom didn`t have sex,you wouldn`t be here in the first place,so you might like it or not,but most of us will actually practice it at one moment of their lives

I`m actually surprised that this thread didn`t lead to any ridiculous answer that would mean a total lock and dump :)