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SuperStarly
1st September 2008, 1:24 PM
Ok, this is a real myth that has been floating around a lot of christians' minds. You've obviously heard of fornication (sex outside marriage), reason being this is forbidden is that God wants us to remain sexually pure until marriage (a long time ago sex was meant to be a husband and wife thing, you see =S). Seeing as masturbating is a way of sexual release, does that, however obsurd it may sound, make it a form of fornication?

Let the debating BEGIN!

Honchkrow
1st September 2008, 1:30 PM
I don't think it's a form of fawnication as it only involves one person.

mangaeyes
1st September 2008, 1:32 PM
I'm all for religion and everything (unless that religion shoves opinions down peoples throats) but come on its natural. Having sex before marriage is natural. You can't look towards some book that may/may not be true to see how you should live your life. You only live once and you should do what you think is right so I say who cares if its wrong in the eyes of god you should do it if you want!! :)

Anyway its not actually sex so I don't see how Christianity could frown over it. Then again they do find ways of making everything wrong...

SuperStarly
1st September 2008, 1:34 PM
I'm all for religion and everything (unless that religion shoves opinions down peoples throats) but come on its natural. Having sex before marriage is natural. You can't look towards some book that may/may not be true to see how you should live your life. You only live once and you should do what you think is right so I say who cares if its wrong in the eyes of god you should do it if you want!! :)

Anyway its not actually sex so I don't see how Christianity could frown over it. Then again they do find ways of making everything wrong...

I agree, but only if you want a head-bashing by God/get chucked into a pit of lava.

Dragodynamite
1st September 2008, 1:35 PM
uhm... no.

Isnt it so that when you get to heaven you will get as many virgin girls as you want?
Well masturbating is less sin then that. So i say no.

Honchkrow
1st September 2008, 1:38 PM
Why do Christians frown over it anyways?

Surely you must have some form of release, right?

Alexiel
1st September 2008, 1:39 PM
i dunno about ancient religions but its probably not a sin in them since we know indians(america) used fish to masturbate(funny story actually)

in recent religions its not a sin but not recommended if you wanna be a top class heaven-er, it IS a sin however to think of sick fantasies, like incest

sick fantasies themselves are however deadly sins

as for me, im an aetheist, if there IS a god and he DID want us to worship him via religious stuff he'd be more specific or want us to stay in our own religion and not teach them to others, since that religion would be the best for that nation only, but since god wants muslims to teach their religions to others its probably not true

there are too many religions and ANY OF THEM could be true, so i dont believe in any, my personal belief is there IS a god and he has a sick sense of humor and i hope to get my revenge someday

poke poke
1st September 2008, 1:39 PM
Ask devout Christians and they'll tell you the answer.

Dragodynamite, where does it say that you'll get virgin girls when you go to heaven when the bible absolutely forbids sex outside marital relations?

Dragodynamite
1st September 2008, 1:41 PM
Ask devout Christians and they'll tell you the answer.

Dragodynamite, where does it say that you'll get virgin girls when you go to heaven when the bible absolutely forbids sex outside marital relations?

Lol, they said it in jr. high. the teachers i believe xD

Honchkrow
1st September 2008, 1:42 PM
Surely IF she/he existed they wouldn't have any problems with anything natural, only things that are un-natural like incest, rape, necrophila, paedophila and bestilaity.

poke poke
1st September 2008, 1:45 PM
Surely IF she/he existed they wouldn't have any problems with anything natural, only things that are un-natural like incest, rape, necrophila, paedophila and bestilaity.

I don't think it's in anyone's position to tell what natural and unnatural are. Rape is forced sex; not unnatural in any way.

mew801
1st September 2008, 1:52 PM
no because masturbating is not having "sexual intercourse", that involves two people masturbating is only one

GhostAnime
1st September 2008, 1:58 PM
i'm sure it falls under sexual immortality.

"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Matthew 5:28

The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body 1 Corinthians 6:13

Crawdaunt King
1st September 2008, 2:01 PM
I am a christian and I am going to make it clear.
It is in no way whatsoever against God.!!

However there are certain types of Christians that feel that it is bad.
Because as you know there is not just one christian there are many different types.

Anglican, cathlic etc

So to re iterate in the christan religion or at least the type of christian group i belong to It is in no way against god to release ones self.

Kutie Pie
1st September 2008, 5:00 PM
In my opinion, it is.

We are told in the Bible we must be sexually pure, both in mind, heart and spirit, and to only use the laws of procreation after marriage.

Now, with masterbating, though it's to only one person, that person will get thoughts and desires more, much like when people look up pornography; it destroys families. So, the masterbating person will end up going after another and person and commit adultery, simply because they wouldn't stop thinking about it. It all starts with thoughts, before slowly going into actions, if he/she decides to skip the step of words.

Yet, I've read somewhere people with autism tend to have sexual intentions and will masterbate. And I believe it's true; we have to constantly tell my brother to stop when we notice him doing it (and he's only seven). So in some cases, it may seem a bit... "natural", but it's all based on curiosity.

Of course, the topic reminded me of a verse in Proverbs, that I don't really know if it fits (correct me if it doesn't belong):

"Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies. The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil." -- Proverbs 31: 10-11

I'm sure that masterbating/desires for sexual conduct doesn't categorize with men alone. What about prostitutes (well, there are some men, anyway)? Why did they choose to sell their body for money, though they know they'll be alone their whole lives?

These things, if he/she's a married person, may turn into divorce. No one wants to be betrayed by their spouse, right? Even if one's getting married, the engagement would be turned down if something happens with the woman or man. There are stories of marriages being called off because the groom or bride had an affair before the wedding. But we all judge according to what we see, hear, etc. and may not know the real reason behind this or that. Joseph, when he heard his fiancée was pregnant, thought to call the engagement off as mentioned in Matthew:

"...When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with the child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily." -- Matthew 1: 18-19

But we're all human, we make mistakes. Yet, some of the fornications are not mistakes in later years, it turns into habit. What started from a curious thought turns into something drastic. It's a mistake at first, but if one doesn't make a commitment to end it, then it becomes a crime. How do you think all the rapists/pedophiles got to be who they are today as criminals?

I believe I'm ranting, so I'll just wrap it up and say: it's based all on opinion. If the majority says it's not a sin, then it's not. I'm not going to complain, but to just give my part.

Scizito_92
1st September 2008, 5:06 PM
Why give us free will, if we aren't allowed to use it?

poke poke
1st September 2008, 5:09 PM
I agree with Kutie Pie. This is all a matter of opinion and cannot be debated.

SHUCKLE MAN
1st September 2008, 5:16 PM
Why give us free will, if we aren't allowed to use it?

lol. Nearly all religions say you are allowed to use free will.

And, some Christians believe you can masturbate and not have any negative consequences, and some don't. It depends how they interpret the Bible ultimately, and how they interpret 'sexual sin'. The ones that do believe it's a sin, do have their valid reasons for thinking so though.

Alexiel
1st September 2008, 5:17 PM
Why give us free will, if we aren't allowed to use it?

cuz, u see in recent religions god's is believed to want us to endure those feelings and obey god at any cost

which is stupid, VERY stupid in my opinion, just cuz u create sth doesnt mean u can control him, if god really exists the way he does in bible, kuran etc. i dont care, ill never be grateful to him if thats the case

if he wanted us to suffer in this life for his sick pleasures, thats allright, since he will give us a better life afterdeath, if thats the case its ok god XD

but there probably is no god, we figured out how rain falls, we will soon figure out how something exists

Alexiel
1st September 2008, 5:21 PM
Why give us free will, if we aren't allowed to use it?

cuz, u see in recent religions god's is believed to want us to endure those feelings and obey god at any cost

which is stupid, VERY stupid in my opinion, just cuz u create sth doesnt mean u can control him, if god really exists the way he does in bible, kuran etc. i dont care, ill never be grateful to him if thats the case

if he wanted us to suffer in this life for his sick pleasures, thats allright, since he will give us a better life afterdeath, if thats the case its ok god XD

but there probably is no god, we figured out how rain falls, we will soon figure out how something exists

ImJessieTR
1st September 2008, 6:53 PM
Masturbation has nothing to do with any of this, despite what wikipedia says.


In an interlude to the Joseph narrative is a pair of stories about Judah, the fourth of Leah's sons, and his family. Judah marries a Caananite woman and has three sons, Er, Onan, and Shelah. Er marries a woman named Tamar, then commits some unspecified crime and the Lord strikes him dead. Judah then orders Onan to sleep with his dead brother's widow and raise up children for him, the duty of a brother-in-law at the time. Onan doesn't want to raise offspring who are his brother's heirs, so he "spills his seed" on the ground whenever he "went in to his brother's wife". God isn't pleased by his disobedience and also strikes Onan dead.

This brief passage has been the bane of adolescent boys ever since. The so-called "sin of Onan", later called "onanism", was mistakenly viewed for centuries as a biblical injunction against masturbation. Onan's "spilled seed" was the result of coitus interruptus, rather than "self-abuse", as they used to call masturbation. But failing to fulfill the law, a fraternal duty that required a brother to give his dead brother heirs, cost Onan his life. Pretty rough justice.

GhostAnime
1st September 2008, 8:02 PM
interrupted coitus is somehow worse than wasted sperm? that's new.

ImJessieTR
1st September 2008, 8:09 PM
I think you missed the point. The point was that "God" wanted Onan to sire a son for his brother. It was the DISOBEDIENCE that was the sin, not the act itself. Onan had a responsibility and he balked.

ImJessieTR
1st September 2008, 8:22 PM
I think you missed the point. The point was that "God" wanted Onan to sire a son for his brother. It was the DISOBEDIENCE that was the sin, not the act itself. Onan had a responsibility and he balked.

XSilverStarboyX
1st September 2008, 8:27 PM
As far as I know it is not a sin as long as your just doing it to relieve sexual tension. But I hear if your doing it with lust in your heart like doing it to porn then its wrong because you have lust in your heart. I know that probobly didnt sound liek it made much sense but I tried;152;.

GhostAnime
1st September 2008, 8:30 PM
give me your personal definition of 'sexual immortality'.

also your interpretation of the following:

"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Matthew 5:28

Fused
1st September 2008, 8:44 PM
Why give us free will, if we aren't allowed to use it?

so that they can tell us ten pages later that doing this is wrong and doing that is a sin.

Seriously, masturbation is natural and healthy. at least in my opinion. it's not truly any form of sex. to have sex you have to have another person, where as masturbation you only need your hand.

if sex is okay, then masturbation should be too.

Masturbation has many benefits, like:
-It is held in many mental health circles that masturbation can relieve depression, stress and lead to a higher sense of self-worth
-Masturbation can also be particularly useful in relationships where one partner wants more sex than the other – in which case masturbation provides a balancing effect and thus a more harmonious relationship.
-Witnessing a partner masturbate is an educational activity to find out the method a partner pleases him- or herself, allowing each partner to learn exactly how the other enjoys being touched.
-In 2003, an Australian research team led by Graham Giles of The Cancer Council Australia[39] concluded that frequent masturbation by males appears to help prevent the development of prostate cancer. The study also indicated that this would be more helpful than ejaculation through sexual intercourse because intercourse can transmit diseases that may increase the risk of cancer instead.
-Masturbation is also seen as a sexual technique that protects individuals from the risk of contracting sexually transmitted diseases.
-Sexual climax, from masturbation or otherwise, leaves one in a relaxed and contented state. This is frequently followed closely by drowsiness and sleep – particularly when one masturbates in bed.
-Some professionals consider masturbation to function as a cardiovascular workout.
-Both sex and masturbation lower blood pressure.

and
-You can't get pregnant if you masturbate.


It's a natural form of release, and God (if he's real) won't deny his children because they do what's natural.

octoboy
1st September 2008, 8:45 PM
Funny, my sister was just asking that last night (or a few nights ago, I don't remember when exactly). She noticed that there wasn't anything in the bible against it, so she concluded that the people who say it's wrong probably do it to hide that they do it (or something like that).

GhostAnime
1st September 2008, 8:51 PM
fused you seem to forget that god apparently "condemns" gays but it's natural for them.

he also seems to look down on lust which is also natural.

Blueties
1st September 2008, 8:53 PM
Religions are a form of manipulating the people.
The system adopts a religion, in order to have the people 'mind limited'.

denben
1st September 2008, 8:56 PM
humen are animals. animals have sex without marrying (duh) .so it wouldn't be a sin having sex without being married, so masturbating is no sin. and why would it?

Fused
1st September 2008, 8:58 PM
Religions are a form of manipulating the people.
The system adopts a religion, in order to have the people 'mind limited'.

with how things are going today in the modern age, I'll agee with the first sentence, but the rest... eh.

also, masturbating with lust in your heart isn't a sin. if it is, then sex with your partner with lust for them is a sin, but God apparently wants us to have sex and procreate.

GhostAnime
1st September 2008, 9:25 PM
how can you masturbate without lust?

Blueties
1st September 2008, 10:12 PM
Just releasing your sexual tension, without thinking in anything I guess

Blueties
1st September 2008, 10:13 PM
Just releasing your sexual tension, without thinking in anything I guess

GhostAnime
1st September 2008, 10:14 PM
so how the heck do you get horny without lust? it doesnt just happen out of the blue.

Blueties
1st September 2008, 10:17 PM
Just doing it, like touching the body, until it starts to react.

Alexiel
1st September 2008, 10:27 PM
Religions are a form of manipulating the people.
The system adopts a religion, in order to have the people 'mind limited'.

dont just blame the governments! if they didnt make up this religion we would be living in a chaotic world, even worse than today

their mistake was to choose different beliefs/lies, but of course their true purpose was to make all nations believe in THEIR supposed religion to control them too

still, dont just blame them for trying to control us, there is a reason they are called government lol

if ur an anarchist(is that how its written?) and dont like the system now, ur always free to go

there is another option for you though, to rebel, but you would need lots of ppl and lots of ppl AND the government would be against you, so there's no point, so go or stop complaining, cuz this is the system and itll stay like this forever

i DO want to live in a better world, but i dont wanna kill by some random guy who believes one with the power can do anything(i do realize on special occasions and on special ppl one with the power CAN do anything, but i meant public life)

Carlisle
1st September 2008, 10:41 PM
I don't think so. I believe the story of Onan refers to the spilling of the seed, not masturbation. As for the rest of the Bible, there's no specific verse on it.

Besides, if masturbation was a sin, no man would be in Heaven, as well as a good chunk of the female population.

The Admiral
1st September 2008, 10:45 PM
How should I answer this? I don't believe in God, so how can I believe it is or isn't a sin in his eyes? I think that, if he existed, he wouldn't really give a damn, as long as we try to be good people. The Dalai Lama himself said it, "God wants people to be happy." I'd trust the Dalai Lama before anyone else in regard to things about God.


Why do Christians frown over it anyways?

Surely you must have some form of release, right?

The more pent-up energy you have, the more likely you'll be to join them in beating up on whoever we feel is bad this week. Obviously.


no because masturbating is not having "sexual intercourse", that involves two people masturbating is only one

Handjobs, then -- what would be the Lord's view on handjobs?


Why give us free will, if we aren't allowed to use it?

Because it's more fun to see a bunch of repressed gits do weird ****? Though, would God have a sense of "fun" and "not fun?" Since... isn't he supposed to be without bias?


Seriously, masturbation is natural and healthy.

[...]

You can't get pregnant if you masturbate.

I like this guy.


he also seems to look down on lust which is also natural.

As are all of the deadly sins.

Alexiel
1st September 2008, 10:53 PM
I don't think so. I believe the story of Onan refers to the spilling of the seed, not masturbation. As for the rest of the Bible, there's no specific verse on it.

Besides, if masturbation was a sin, no man would be in Heaven, as well as a good chunk of the female population.

touche, my friend

GhostAnime
1st September 2008, 10:57 PM
dont just blame the governments! if they didnt make up this religion we would be living in a chaotic world, even worse than today
that is simply false. religion has absolutely NOTHING to do with how good people will act and this was already debated before.

i would argue that without religion, life would probably be better off. we would make more advances in science and technology. there would be more bond between people instead of silly beliefs separating them. most of all, nobody dies because faith healers were stupid or suicide bombers kill themselves because their god told them in a dream.

of course, religion isnt always a bad thing; there are good things about it that i completely skipped over but just know that the world DEFINITELY wouldnt be 'worse'.

Alexiel
1st September 2008, 10:57 PM
How should I answer this? I don't believe in God, so how can I believe it is or isn't a sin in his eyes? I think that, if he existed, he wouldn't really give a damn, as long as we try to be good people. The Dalai Lama himself said it, "God wants people to be happy." I'd trust the Dalai Lama before anyone else in regard to things about God.



The more pent-up energy you have, the more likely you'll be to join them in beating up on whoever we feel is bad this week. Obviously.



Handjobs, then -- what would be the Lord's view on handjobs?



Because it's more fun to see a bunch of repressed gits do weird ****? Though, would God have a sense of "fun" and "not fun?" Since... isn't he supposed to be without bias?



I like this guy.



As are all of the deadly sins.

i agree, if god existed hed either give no damn or would be as sick as any human, therefore making him human, not god

Alexiel
1st September 2008, 10:59 PM
that is simply false. religion has absolutely NOTHING to do with how good people will act and this was already debated before.

i would argue that without religion, life would probably be better off. we would make more advances in science and technology. there would be more bond between people instead of silly beliefs separating them. most of all, nobody dies because faith healers were stupid or suicide bombers kill themselves because their god told them in a dream.

of course, religion isnt always a bad thing; there are good things about it that i completely skipped over but just know that the world DEFINITELY wouldnt be 'worse'.

government scares ppl via religion, a person may commit crime if he knew he was gonna be in for a few months and get out, but if he thinks god will punish him after life he probably wont steal or kill or stuff...this works for most ppl, believe me

The Admiral
1st September 2008, 11:04 PM
i agree, if god existed hed either give no damn or would be as sick as any human, therefore making him human, not god

Well, keep in mind, it was stated that humans were created by God in his own image and likeness. So, it's entirely likely that God is, indeed, a sick *******. It would sure explain a lot of things.

GhostAnime
1st September 2008, 11:08 PM
no it doesnt. studies actually show that crime rates are higher with christians than it is with atheists.

'but there are more christians'.

when it comes to rate, that is irrelevant because the ratios are distributed equally. allow me to demonstrate.

http://www.adherents.com/misc/adh_prison.html

not even a percent of atheists are in jail compared to what, 10% of the country that claim to be atheists?

1. The majority of Americans (85%) have a stated religious preference.

2. The majority of American prisoners (between 80 and 100%, depending on the study consulted) also have a stated religious preference.

so that's pretty much 80% of that 85% of people that were religious which is neither 1:1, while atheism is only that 1% tops to that 10% of the country which is more like.. 1:10.

my math is not exact but it is CLEAR that a religious person has a higher chance of going to jail than an atheist. religion does not make you automatically a good person.

Ethan
1st September 2008, 11:40 PM
Sorry guys, but this debate just isn't happening.

Reason #1 Way too much opinion spam

Reason #2 If God debates in general never go that well and it's on the moratorium list, then this topic probably won't go so well either.

If you want it re-opened, you can always try your luck and shoot me a PM. ^^