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Serebii
23rd October 2004, 3:16 PM
http://www.serebii.net/anime/NextOn/327.jpgCome What May!

Its time for the Pokémon Contest in Fallarbor and May is as vigilant as ever. She is anxious to have her first win and wipe the smirk off Drew's face. However she ends up against the Medicham and has her toughest battle yet...

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Discuss

Factory Head Noland
24th October 2004, 12:31 PM
I can't wait to see this episode! I love Pokemon Contest's, they are so exciting.

Beautifly VS Medicham....sounds like an exciting episode!

zonic the hedgehog
6th November 2004, 4:36 PM
I love this episode! I just watched it, and it was totally worth watching BTW, and this episode had some pretty cool stuff: beautifly's combo
Grace not laughing a lot
Drew finally losing, so i can laugh!
Jessie cheating with dustox
I give this episode a 9/10!

CyberCubed
6th November 2004, 4:38 PM
"Pros and Con artists" was awesome.

What impressed me the most about this episode was how well scripted the battles were. They weren't cheap battles either, Medicham using the Ice punch on the floor to deflect Roselia's Solar beam was really great.

What was also good is it wasn't a cheap cop out to have May win. They made May's battle against Grace believeable, even though Grace had so much more experience. Beautifly imobilizing Medichams arms so it couldn't use Meditate, as well as the Silver wind to it's back making it hurt it's knee. Really a great strategy.

Really loved the battles and animation in this episode. I knew the contests episodes would be great, they're just as interesting as the GYM episodes.

Bottom line, if you didn't like this episode, I guess you don't like well scripted battles. Also goes to show you that battling in Contests is just as exciting as real battles.

ŁańkaŃ
6th November 2004, 4:39 PM
This was awesome...as now if i were to vote between May and Misty in battle chances are...MAY would win with what pokemon she currently has...with her stratgies and combo's...this will help my fic...lol

Well, it was good, now another few ep...and GYM MATCH...lol

V Faction
6th November 2004, 4:42 PM
Excellent excellent Episode.

-It was a Contest Episode. What's not to love? >_<

-The animation was awesome, specifically Medicham's Ice Punch. Man, can that thing be launched!

-All the attacks were expertly said, no foul-ups as far as I can tell.

-Very emotional too. The big climax with Beautifly versus Medicham was heart-racing.

-Trainer's Choice: Not bad, very simple today. I know some people will complain that it was too simple, but hey, you can't have toughies all the time.

-And... what's this? Who's that Pokemon? Why, it's Paras of course, but what's the occasion? It was certainly in an odd place.

This Episode gets V's seal of approval, not that my seal is anything special: [Approved]

CyberCubed
6th November 2004, 4:45 PM
That who's that pokemon is obviously KidsWB's doing. It clearly wasn't part of the episode, KidsWB played an old clip from some Kanto episode with Paras. (hence the old design)

I wonder if KidsWB is going to put old clips like that before the commercial breaks end.

≈*Virulent Tsunami*≈
6th November 2004, 4:45 PM
OMG, this was onem of the best episodes ever!!!! Medicham's voice rocked as usual, and the battles were amazing. Jessie and Dustox were funny, and it's good to see TR have more of a role than the usual comedy relief!! Grace and May's battle was excellent!!!! I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

Overall rating:
9.8 out of 10!!!!
Second best episode in AG so far!!! Keep up the AWESOME work!!!

Master Mewtwo
6th November 2004, 4:48 PM
Kewl episode. I loved it. That Ice punch Vs. Solar Beam was so coool.

Master Mewtwo

V Faction
6th November 2004, 4:49 PM
That who's that pokemon is obviously KidsWB's doing. It clearly wasn't part of the episode, KidsWB played an old clip from some Kanto episode with Paras. (hence the old design)

I did recognize that it was an older version, but I'd like to know the reason for showing it right now of all times? I mean, was there a demand for it? Did KidsWB have a craving for WTP? Was there a roulette wheel involved?

Houndoom Master
6th November 2004, 4:53 PM
You could tell May would win. The combinations were clever, but I doubt Grace would actually realize the way Solarbeam would reflect off the ice. The strategy most of the characters had were smart. Drew was still snobbish, I can't stand his voice. By the way, what the heck was the Who's That Pokemon with Paras about? Overall, I only give it a 3/10. BTW, I use my own rating system, and it didn't score that high. Otherwise, what I post is comments.

CyberCubed
6th November 2004, 4:56 PM
I did recognize that it was an older version, but I'd like to know the reason for showing it right now of all times? I mean, was there a demand for it? Did KidsWB have a craving for WTP? Was there a roulette wheel involved?

Well, let's see if they put another who's that pokemon during "Cheer Pressure" in half an hour.

It'll be amusing to see if it's Jigglypuff, then I know they're going in order from "The Problem with Paras".

slysunshine
6th November 2004, 4:59 PM
Oh, where to start? I loved it of course. There's been a near perfect episode each week for three weeks now. :D

I actually liked watching these battles. Watching them attack wasn't the best part of the show, but it was cool for once. (Well, it was a contest, why wouldn't it be?) I didn't get to see May win though. My sister came in right as Beautifly and Medicham were heading right for each other. :/

I can't believe I didn't get to see the end! *sigh* Anyways, May and Drew looked cute standing next to each other watching, and it seemed like May was disappointed when Drew lost, though I know it was probably because she realized how strong Grace was. Also, May's combinations were very beautiful, and Roselia was good too!

My only complaint is that they dove right into the contest at the very beginning, but I guess they have to do that when they only have 30 minutes.

Anyways, it's one of my very favorites. 10/10. :D

Can someone please tell me exactly what happened and what was said in the last five minutes? XD

I probably won't get to see any of Cheer Pressure. :(

Gravy
6th November 2004, 5:04 PM
Overall, I only give it a 3/10.
3 out of 10? Jebus, what the hell kind of ratings do you give the johto-ish filler episodes, -3000 out of 10? >_O;

This is an episode that screams out 'high quality'. A decent pokémon battle, well thought out strategy, lots of great animation sequences, tons of character development, emotional scenes and a truckload of breath-taking moments.
THESE are what make the contest episodes a great addition to the story. And with such an intense battle such as this, there is no denying that. Quality all the way, and I'd go as far as saying this battle alone totally thrashes Ash's first few gym battles in Houen.


Bottom line, if you didn't like this episode, I guess you don't like well scripted battles. Also goes to show you that battling in Contests is just as exciting as real battles.
Couldn't have put it better myself.

zonic the hedgehog
6th November 2004, 5:11 PM
Can someone please tell me exactly what happened and what was said in the last five minutes? XD

I probably won't get to see any of Cheer Pressure. :(

Well, right after the part you stopped at, Medicham and Beautifly both were hurt badly after crashing into each other, May wins, of course.
May does her victory pose and everybody cheers! *commercials*
May is outside talking to Grace, and Grace congratulates her on the fantastic battle. Drew comes in, and also congratulates her too, but then he gets cocky and says "If you were against me, you probably wouldn't have won." Max complains, and says he still has his bad attitude, but May says it doesn't really bother her. Ash yells about his next Gym, and May says she can't wait for the next contest!

Space Skitty
6th November 2004, 5:23 PM
Well... I LOVED IT! The battle was very intense all the way. May & Beautifly were just awesome! I was rather surprised May could put up such a great battle because I would've expected that kind of battle from someone experienced. Comes to prove May isn't such a newbie anymore. I'm looking forward to her future contests! Just as interesting as Gym Leader battles; if not more. Beauty, talent, strategy, and power all in one. You go, Beautifly! ;267; ^__^

slysunshine
6th November 2004, 5:43 PM
Well, right after the part you stopped at, Medicham and Beautifly both were hurt badly after crashing into each other, May wins, of course.
May does her victory pose and everybody cheers! *commercials*
May is outside talking to Grace, and Grace congratulates her on the fantastic battle. Drew comes in, and also congratulates her too, but then he gets cocky and says "If you were against me, you probably wouldn't have won." Max complains, and says he still has his bad attitude, but May says it doesn't really bother her. Ash yells about his next Gym, and May says she can't wait for the next contest!

Thank you so much. That helps. :)

Tamer Zack
6th November 2004, 5:47 PM
It was an awesome battle using Ice Punch to rikocha the Solarbeam to hit right back at Roselia. The match between May and Grace was also good as well just Grace laugh annoy me. I was a bit suprise in seeing who's that pokemon when they already got a trainer choice but it been a loooong time since we last saw Paras.

Bulba the Great!
6th November 2004, 6:13 PM
Was it just me, or did Grace yell "Use Hi Jump!" in the beginning? Yeah, they showed Jiglypuff in Cheer Pressure. What's with that? The old WTP animations was horrible, and now we get Trainer's Choice, so why show it? Anyway, VERY good episode, better than Cheer Pressure, at any rate!

9.5/10

V Faction
6th November 2004, 6:16 PM
Was it just me, or did Grace yell "Use Hi Jump!" in the beginning?

Reasons for that...

1. Almost like a nickname. I'm sure Medicham has used the attack many times before. Saying "Hi Jump" is as equally as good as saying the whole thing, because both Trainer and Pokemon know what to expect.

2. Mouth flap constraints.

Togemon
6th November 2004, 6:50 PM
This episode was good. I Really liked Grace, and the battles in this episode were better than in others, but some things I didn't like was;
1. The Ice Punch on the floor thing. I thought it was too cheap.
2. Drew was in it.

Though I loved seeing Drew get beat, I give it a 7/10, it would have been higher, but Drew brought it down for me.

Silver Ryu
6th November 2004, 7:03 PM
Great episode! I'll admit that Dustox's rainbow thing was cool, even though it wasn't really Dustox. The battles were great, and the whole thing was terrific, even though I knew that May would win. Gosh, Grace looks like a Wobbufet when she laughs like that! XD
The Who's That Pokemon was......unexpected. It was so random! Why so early? Why the old style? Why Paras? WHY EVEN PUT IT THERE????

So yeah, I give it an 9/10.

DA SMILIE PICTURE:

;308; ---------@ ((((((( ;267;

Murgatroyd
6th November 2004, 7:24 PM
Well, right after the part you stopped at, Medicham and Beautifly both were hurt badly after crashing into each other, May wins, of course.
May does her victory pose and everybody cheers! *commercials*
May is outside talking to Grace, and Grace congratulates her on the fantastic battle. Drew comes in, and also congratulates her too, but then he gets cocky and says "If you were against me, you probably wouldn't have won." Max complains, and says he still has his bad attitude, but May says it doesn't really bother her. Ash yells about his next Gym, and May says she can't wait for the next contest!
Don't forget the rose. I'd be interested to know the exact dialogue around it in the dub.

Chris
6th November 2004, 7:26 PM
She asked if the rose for Beautifly and his answer was "...Yeah, something like that.." Not sure if that was a part of the original.

And apparently 4Kids didn't wanna translate Psybeam. :\ Stupid considering rainbow and Psybeam have the same amount of syllables and can share the same amount of mouthflaps. Musashi was combining Psybeam with Poison Sting. :\

Raize
6th November 2004, 7:34 PM
Whewww Good Eppy yeah what ETR said was right (I swear I felt like barfing...personal reasons)

This one was a good episode I really liked the battle against Grace using Silver Wind Tackle and String shot and Gust she used them perfectally I loved the tornado and the fight overall.Drew losing was so funny The Ice Punch and the floor and reflecting was good.It was a good episode in all one of my favs so far.

pokeplayer984
6th November 2004, 7:35 PM
If anyone says that Contest battles aren't like real battles, then they don't know what they're talking about. :)

This was a great ep. I loved all of the attack combos put together! :)

I also loved it when Medicham used Ice Punch to reflect Solarbeam. Who knew that was a possiblity? :)

And Beautifly using Silver Wind to stop Meditate? CLEVER!! :D

I give this ep a 10/10! One of the BEST Contest eps ever!! :)

Murgatroyd
6th November 2004, 7:44 PM
She asked if the rose for Beautifly and his answer was "...Yeah, something like that.." Not sure if that was a part of the original.
That's pretty close to the original.


And apparently 4Kids didn't wanna translate Psybeam. :\ Stupid considering rainbow and Psybeam have the same amount of syllables and can share the same amount of mouthflaps. Musashi was combining Psybeam with Poison Sting. :\
She only used Psybeam once in the episode, never combined with anything. The repeated use of "Rainbow" (I assume that's what you're referring to) is an absolutely perfect translation from the original, as Musashino used that exact English word in all her attack orders.

aura500
6th November 2004, 10:44 PM
I loved this eposide, this one is definitely one of the best. I liked the part part when meticham was slaming ice punch on the ground to block solarbeam. The battle with may and grace was good too. This episode was alot better than I thought it would be, It gets a 10/10.

Lindsay
6th November 2004, 11:23 PM
Gee Serebii, spoilers much?


Awesome episode! The long wait for May's second contest was well worth it!

This one must have had a pretty good budget because the special effects and coloring from the many attacks were truly a notch above most episodes. The battle directing was also great! None of the 3 battles felt cheap or obvious who would win. Some really great stuff for sure.

Dustox vs Beautifly - A pretty even fight although Dustox had a better start it stayed pretty close. If Dusty had been able to pull off that Psybeam it might have won.

Roselia vs Medicham - Roselia was outclassed through and through which was surprising. I didn't expect Drew to flop so badly especially after beating Ash in battle just the day before so wow...

Beautifly vs Medicham - Ooo the big showdown! So many good parts to choose from! Medicham's Ice Punch temporarily freezing Beautifly, it taking extra damage from missing Hi Jump Kick, and Beautifly's big finale of immobilizing Medicham's arms with Silver Wind so it couldn't Meditate!

Aaaaaand May has won her first ribbon in an episode better then some gym ones! Way to go May! ^_^

5 / 5

Brilliant episode with great battles that I just can't get over praising. Even the Hoenn-haters would be hard pressed to find fights this well directed in their stupid old 1st season lovefest.

The Big Al
7th November 2004, 1:41 AM
At least Pokemon got to beat the living the crap out of each other. Lay down the beating with style. Whatever, I still think contests are a joke at the expense of real Pokemon battling. Though that's just my humble opinion.

Jessie cheats, how...predictable. If she actually but some work into it, she could probably win a contest. Considering you don't have to be a good trainer to win coughmaycough, she win fair and square.

We finally get to see the undesirable effects of Hi Jump Kick when it misses. I'm glad when they actually read the manual.

7/10 if it wasn't a contest episode maybe an 8.

Kamex
7th November 2004, 1:53 AM
This episode was filled with nice contest performances.

I liked Medicham's vigorous icepunching of the ground, and then making ice spikes shoot out from it.

I had more to say about this episode, but I had already written it before...I guess I just forgot to submit my reply, so...

I give this episode an 8/10.

Robert
7th November 2004, 2:44 AM
This episode was quite... remarkable... the battles were awesome and original, there was some drama, and May won! :) I just didn't like how sickenly obvious it was that Jessie was cheating with that thing on Dustox... Oh well. Still a splendid episode! ^__^

meggirl63
7th November 2004, 2:36 PM
I was really proud of May winning that Pokemon Contest. Of course, I was really surprised that Drew gave May a rose because of Beautifly's performance. How sweet!

Pokemon Fan
7th November 2004, 7:14 PM
The episode was one of the best battle episodes in quite a while. The effects were beautiful, and the strategies innovative. The various intricacies are what really made the episode though, such as showing the adverse effect of Hi Jump Kick, and how Medicham could use Confusion on itself to dodge attacks and even move so that it could dodge and use Meditate at the same time!

While many have commented on the use of Ice Punch to deflect Solarbeam, what impressed me the most was the way Ice Punch was used against Beautifly. Medicham actually surrounded its fist with icy energy then threw the energy at Beautifly like one would a baseball or something. I really like how many attack in the anime work on various levels, and include physical and projectile forms, and can even be used indirectly (as when Corphish uses a pressure wave from its Crabhammer to blast TR off without throwing energy at them or touching them).

The Big Al
8th November 2004, 3:17 AM
I have to admit the battles were great Especially the ones with Grace. She's the real deal with her connection with Medicham. She could probably clean up in the contest and gym circuits. At last, they forced May to think on her feet and she actually rose to the challenge. I don't loath her so much now, however, she still isn't that good of a character.

The battles were good except we had to listen to the stupid judge who I thought were really out of place commenting on the battle. I was like "cut the chatter and get back to the butt-kicking already, I don't care what you think of it".

Yellow
8th November 2004, 3:59 AM
I really liked this episode. It was an awesome battle between May and Grace. I can't belive May won!!

Ash500
8th November 2004, 5:58 AM
I gotta hand it to this episode that made people who liked Misty forget about her. The battle was so long I couldn't move from the screen. It was good though seeing how May was finally able to work great with beautfly in battle.

Psychic Venusaur
9th November 2004, 3:12 AM
I really enjoyed this episode. Grace and Medicham knew what they were doing. It was cool that May won. The battles were awesome. 9/10

Geodude
10th November 2004, 6:44 PM
May: "I suppose this rose is for Beautifly, right?"
Drew: *flicks hair* "Yeah...something like that."

One of the best ContestShippy quotes yet. :D And I liked when May said to Beautifly:

"I love you. You're just the best."

That scene was so cute. :D

Pokemon Fan
12th November 2004, 7:44 PM
I have to admit the battles were great Especially the ones with Grace. She's the real deal with her connection with Medicham. She could probably clean up in the contest and gym circuits. At last, they forced May to think on her feet and she actually rose to the challenge. I don't loath her so much now, however, she still isn't that good of a character.
*claps* It's nice to know you are open-minded in your views. Who knows, by the end of her tour through Hoenn you may come to more than tolerate May. ^_^

Silver Fusion
18th November 2004, 7:46 PM
This ep was good May won a contest Beutifly was really cool in this ep but Grace's laugh scares me her mouth its not normal.

Kakashi-Sharingan Warrior
18th November 2004, 7:53 PM
Good ep! but Grace was weird..........her laugh was weird.......

Tomas
20th November 2004, 1:35 AM
That episode sounds good but I wonder how long It will take to come out here.

Princess May
20th November 2004, 6:54 AM
I just loved this episode it was my favorite so far. Beautifly has been one of my favs from the moment I saw it and I just loved seeing it shine. May was fantastic as well.

Factory Head Noland
20th November 2004, 7:13 PM
This is one of my favourite eps ever! It was all action from the start and I love Pokemon Contests!
Grace was a tough opponent, she was great against Drew. The Ice Punch and the Solarbeam thing was amazing!!
Medicham was strong but Beautifly still won in the end!

~*Aurora Wish*~
21st November 2004, 8:23 AM
10/10! May is an excellent character. Her Beautifly was strong when doing Silver Wind in the beginning. It was great that Drew lost to Grace, and Jessie would never win a contest! But I liked the Rainbow Whirlwind.

Jo-Jo
21st November 2004, 5:55 PM
Waaaaahhhhhhhh! Due to a combination of my own stupidity and the suckiness of my mum's cable box, I missed this episode. :( And I was really looking forward to it, too! Woe. I don't suppose there's a transcript online anywhere?

vulpix
22nd February 2005, 12:38 AM
i have to admitt this is a great episode,may wins her first pokemon contest(loved it).

Medea
5th May 2005, 2:52 AM
I re-watched this episode earlier today and I still find this a great episode. Unlike most of May's competitions, this one is the one I enjoyed the most...Let's just say the battle between Beautifly and Medicham was one excitement after another.

Geki
30th August 2005, 11:41 PM
This was a great contest, I'm happy May won. Go Beautifly!!!

6/10

grovile
3rd September 2005, 10:14 AM
A really great episode great music and i like May battle sow great 10/10.

wobbanut
26th September 2005, 9:33 PM
At least May finally won her first contest ribbon after being unable to register the first time and slipping up the second time. I like that she got the hang of doing combination attacks. Too bad it took her a bit to master that (it was funny in that one later episode where she had all her pokemon practicing combination attacks, and almost everyone goofed up). Jessie was great in the contest too, even though she was cheating. At least the second time she did the contest with Dustox she did it legitimately. I was impressed by the rainbow poison sting sketch of a dustox though. :D

alyssa
28th June 2006, 3:58 AM
i like the episode it was pretty good when May v.s Grace.

Smack That!!!!!
19th November 2006, 9:27 PM
This is one of my favourite episodes.

Off topic:

Don't report me for bumping, since it's okay to bump stickies.

Ashy Boy
26th November 2006, 12:48 PM
Why was Jessie happy when she got blasted off with James & Meowth?

mew222
3rd December 2006, 9:57 PM
why cant there be a link on here to see the episodes

Geodude
15th December 2006, 1:24 PM
Oh I don't know, maybe because it's against the rules? -_-

Rebeccag
16th November 2007, 5:39 PM
I liked this episode. Good to see May get her first contest ribbon and it was also good to see Drew again ^_^. And I agree Graces laugh is annoying i agree

Pikustrite
9th January 2008, 11:40 AM
Drew's apperance in the end is just my fave part of all!! The rose throwing and Flickyness is just whoo ... ahaha ... The battle is really cool! GO BEAUTIFLY! woot! Grace's laugh is annoying -.- ... what I dont get it, how can Drew be beaten while May won against Grace? If Drew was stronger than May, he could've won easily ...

Ayra
25th November 2008, 8:55 PM
This episode was great May finally got her first Ribbon.

~Ayra~;267;

Tadashi
10th December 2008, 8:37 PM
I really liked this episode ^_^ Drew losing to Grace, and Grace losing to May. The battle was great and Beautifly worked really hard ^^ Nice first-contest win.

Igottapoo
11th January 2009, 2:01 AM
It was an alright episode. Cool how May got her first win. But I'm not a fan of contests.

(s.i.e)
28th January 2009, 1:34 PM
may finally got her first win & ribbon in this episode, i enjoyed this one.

Littlemyuu
11th March 2009, 2:53 AM
It was nice that May won..but iam really not into contest episodes

Ash-kid
12th December 2009, 11:31 AM
Great contest.
It was cool how May won this contest, it was her first ribbon.
Beautifly was amazing.

J-boogie200
16th February 2010, 12:48 PM
This episode was full of epic win!

I couldn't imagine May winning her first ribbon any other way.

Beautifly was awesome, and Jessie was hilarious.

10/10!

Lorde
28th February 2010, 4:14 AM
I thought Jessie's appeal in the beginning of the episode was pretty, with Dustox using it's glittery powder and then adding rainbow effects. But the fact that James and Meowth were behind the whole show kinda ruined it. I thought Jessie could've done it well all on her own. During the first battle, May's Beautifly and Jessie's Dustox were both at their finest. It was a rivalry of Wurmple evolutionary forms, quite the twist. Jessie lost and she was caught cheating by Contesta and then the usual TR mayhem insued.

Loved Drew versus the COTD Coordinator since I hadn't seen Drew compete too much in the past. I thought Medicham's impressing use of Psychic to stop Roselia's Petal Dance was impressive to say the least. It's best move was using Ice Punch to cause the ice to reflect Roselia's Solar Beam. It was really spectacular to see Drew lose to such a Coordinator, I almost felt sorry for him since he's May's best rival in Hoenn.

May in the final Contest battle was the best part I think. Seeing Beautifly's String Shot get turned around on itself by Medicham's Psychic wasn't a good sign since the battle barely started. Medicham used it to tie up Beautifly them in froze it in ice to seal the deal. Things looked dire but May's Beautifly managed to get out of it and stop Medicham's hands with it's Silver Wind move. I was overjoyed that May won her very first ribbon! I thought that the fact that Drew gave her a rose was a cute romantic sign too. 7/10

saar
9th July 2010, 3:39 PM
Epic episode. I'm surprised Grace used her Medicham VS a Flying pokemon. She should have known the big risk in this choice.

KGB13
1st August 2010, 11:49 PM
I really liked Grace, she was my favorite COTD coordinator, I wish she became a recurring character and appeared more than once.

Her Medicham was really awesome as well, it's psychic and battling abilities were very impressive.

I also liked her quirky attitude and the way her faced looked before she would laugh was funny.

The battle between Grace and May was also great, Beautifly vs Medicham was a very good match and I'm glad May got her first ribbon.

Great episode.

G50
2nd March 2011, 11:33 AM
This episode was good. Another contest, I really like contest episodes. The battle between May's Beautifly and Grace's Medicham was so cool! I'm glad May won her 1st Contest ribbon. Go figure that Jessie would find a way to cheat using her Dustox in the contest, by using a machine on its under-body. Medicham's Ice Punch to the ground to deflect Solar Beam was an excellent Manuever. I like how Beautifly immobilized Medicham and then made a major strike.

78/100

TheEpicGoomba
26th June 2011, 1:06 PM
This episode was good. Cool to see May win her first contest ribbon. Beautifly vs Medicham was cool to watch.

kadabra spoon
26th June 2011, 1:08 PM
i remember these episodes as if they were yesterday...
series 7 was undoubtedly one of the best

Bulba the Great!
26th March 2012, 7:04 AM
This episode takes me back. My older brother was stuck on the "Pokemon is childish" bandwagon for ages. My siblings and I would watch the show on our big TV in the family room, and he would often pass by to make a snide remark or two. We were watching this episode, just after the commercial break - as May vs. Grace started. And he passed by to make a comment - but never said anything. And then he sat down and watched, completely captivated, until the battle was over. Then he stood up wordlessly and left.

THAT, my friends, makes this a good episode.

Vernikova
27th June 2012, 2:50 PM
What a bad episode. It looked really nice but that's all it had going for it. What the hell is May doing winning this battle in the first place when she has little battling experience? Seriously, she thinks Drew is a challenge and yet the person who destroys him can't beat May. Terrible episode and another reason why I prefer Dawn's contest arc to May's.

CyberCubed
27th June 2012, 4:33 PM
What a bad episode. It looked really nice but that's all it had going for it. What the hell is May doing winning this battle in the first place when she has little battling experience? Seriously, she thinks Drew is a challenge and yet the person who destroys him can't beat May. Terrible episode and another reason why I prefer Dawn's contest arc to May's.

Are you joking? Beautifly Vs. Medicham is one of the best contest battles in the series. This was the episode that made contests popular in the first time.

And considering Dawn beats a character who was a rival to her mother for like 20 years, I don't see why you're bringing this up. If you think this episode wasn't good you might as well stop watching the show entirely because it was one of the best.

Vernikova
27th June 2012, 6:26 PM
Are you joking? Beautifly Vs. Medicham is one of the best contest battles in the series.

Yeah, it looked nice.


This was the episode that made contests popular in the first time.

Irrelevant to my opinion on the matter.


And considering Dawn beats a character who was a rival to her mother for like 20 years,

That was a bad victory too. Don't try to justify one character's dumb victory with another's. They're both equally dumb.


I don't see why you're bringing this up.

Because this is a review thread and I posted my opinion on the episode.


If you think this episode wasn't good you might as well stop watching the show entirely because it was one of the best.

I stopped watching after Sinnoh.

CyberCubed
27th June 2012, 6:34 PM
Yeah, it looked nice.

The techniques in this contest battle are the first thing that truly made contests stand out. May's first Contest was just her getting creamed by Drew, but this one was the first with actually strategy and techniques involved. Beautifly using its attacks to immobilize Medicham's arms to stop its attacks was great, as were the rest of the battling in this episode.



That was a bad victory too. Don't try to justify one character's dumb victory with another's. They're both equally dumb.

Neither is a bad victory. Characters win against older, mature characters all the time. By this logic Ash shouldn't be able to beat any Gym leader since most are 25-30 year olds who have been battling their entire lives. Now May does have some cheap victories later on, but I remember back in 2004 this was where Contests really took off in popularity in the series.


I stopped watching after Sinnoh.

Well OK, but that's all.

Vernikova
27th June 2012, 6:53 PM
The techniques in this contest battle are the first thing that truly made contests stand out. May's first Contest was just her getting creamed by Drew, but this one was the first with actually strategy and techniques involved. Beautifly using its attacks to immobilize Medicham's arms to stop its attacks was great, as were the rest of the battling in this episode.

As I've already stated: it looked nice.


Neither is a bad victory. Characters win against older, mature characters all the time. By this logic Ash shouldn't be able to beat any Gym leader since most are 25-30 year olds who have been battling their entire lives.

I simply assume that the Gym Leaders limit the strength of the Pokemon they use depending on the trainer. It ruins my suspension of belief otherwise. This scenario doesn't deliver me any kind of way to do so. We have just seen a clearly superior Pokemon trainer in Drew lose in a rather one-sided battle against Grace. It has been made obvious from the episodes leading up to this one that Drew is superior to May in nearly every way in terms of Pokemon battling and yet she is able to win rather handily here? Grace didn't show any kind of strategy use like the kind that she displayed when battling Drew and many of the moves May used here were never hinted at being able to be used before (Tackle with a Gust attack protecting it, Tackle with a Gust attack while using Silver Wind at the same time, etc). It's as though she suddenly got better since her last battle. That's poor writing especially since we know that May hasn't had much battling experience.


Now May does have some cheap victories later on, but I remember back in 2004 this was where Contests really took off in popularity in the series.

Well, that was 2004 and I probably enjoyed this episode back then too. Re-watching it now, it's easy to spot all of the story telling flaws and I'm reviewing these episodes as I re-watch them.

CyberCubed
27th June 2012, 8:01 PM
I simply assume that the Gym Leaders limit the strength of the Pokemon they use depending on the trainer. It ruins my suspension of belief otherwise. This scenario doesn't deliver me any kind of way to do so. We have just seen a clearly superior Pokemon trainer in Drew lose in a rather one-sided battle against Grace. It has been made obvious from the episodes leading up to this one that Drew is superior to May in nearly every way in terms of Pokemon battling and yet she is able to win rather handily here? Grace didn't show any kind of strategy use like the kind that she displayed when battling Drew and many of the moves May used here were never hinted at being able to be used before (Tackle with a Gust attack protecting it, Tackle with a Gust attack while using Silver Wind at the same time, etc). It's as though she suddenly got better since her last battle. That's poor writing especially since we know that May hasn't had much battling experience.

No, it was to show that Drew wasn't some invincible or unbeatable character. Its a mistake they made with Zoey, making her way too perfect and almost unbeatable in rare cases.

As for May, Beautifly had been used in most of her episodes at this point, like when she went training it in that Wailord filler and so forth. Considering this is what...nearly the 50th episode of AG or something, I'd say it was about time. Remember Dawn won her first ribbon only 26 episodes into DP, it took May over 50.


Well, that was 2004 and I probably enjoyed this episode back then too. Re-watching it now, it's easy to spot all of the story telling flaws and I'm reviewing these episodes as I re-watch them.

You can say that for any episode then. Obviously rewatching episodes as an adult you're going to notice things you didn't care about before when you were a kid.

Vernikova
27th June 2012, 9:01 PM
No, it was to show that Drew wasn't some invincible or unbeatable character.

We already knew he was beatable when he was eliminated handily by Robert in the previous Pokemon Contest. There was no reason for it to happen twice just to prove a point we already knew.


Its a mistake they made with Zoey, making her way too perfect and almost unbeatable in rare cases.

Yup. We've already established him as beatable in the first contest.


As for May, Beautifly had been used in most of her episodes at this point, like when she went training it in that Wailord filler and so forth. Considering this is what...nearly the 50th episode of AG or something, I'd say it was about time. Remember Dawn won her first ribbon only 26 episodes into DP, it took May over 50.

And even by the fiftieth episode, they still made no solid progress on her as a Pokemon trainer and never showed her improving her skills to the point where she could accomplish feats like she did in this contest.


You can say that for any episode then. Obviously rewatching episodes as an adult you're going to notice things you didn't care about before when you were a kid.

And I have said it for most episodes that I've re-watched.

CyberCubed
27th June 2012, 9:15 PM
And even by the fiftieth episode, they still made no solid progress on her as a Pokemon trainer and never showed her improving her skills to the point where she could accomplish feats like she did in this contest.

We saw enough. We know DP had far more training episodes than any of the other sagas. In AG most training was implied off-screen.

Vernikova
27th June 2012, 9:23 PM
We saw enough. We know DP had far more training episodes than any of the other sagas. In AG most training was implied off-screen.

If by enough you mean virtually nothing then sure. I certainly didn't see enough to believe that Beautifly could pull off those moves or that May had the ability to teach those moves to it. In reality, off-screen training is just another way of saying "we pulled this out of our *** because the plot demanded it" especially if there is no foreshadowing beforehand.

CyberCubed
27th June 2012, 9:26 PM
If by enough you mean virtually nothing then sure. I certainly didn't see enough to believe that Beautifly could pull off those moves or that May had the ability to teach those moves to it. In reality, off-screen training is just another way of saying "we pulled this out of our *** because the plot demanded it" especially if there is no foreshadowing beforehand.

I see you're trying to be clever. Beautifly had plenty of preparation for this contest. If this had been Torchic beating Medicham I'd agree with you it would be ridiculous, but thank goodness the writers knew what they were doing.

Vernikova
27th June 2012, 9:33 PM
I see you're trying to be clever.

There is no need to be clever when I'm pointing out poor writing.


Beautifly had plenty of preparation for this contest. If this had been Torchic beating Medicham I'd agree with you it would be ridiculous, but thank goodness the writers knew what they were doing.

You've already admitted beforehand that the training was off-screen. There's no point where May had displayed sufficient enough skill to teach those moves nor was there a point when Beautifly had shown enough training to pull off those moves without a problem. Show me otherwise.

CyberCubed
27th June 2012, 9:45 PM
She was practicing Beautifly's Silver Wind in the Wailord filler and a few others. I don't see what the point of complaining about a lack of on-screen training is for when we usually never see it aside from when Ash is trying to teach his Pokemon a new move...like Treecko's Bullet seed or Snorunt's Ice beam.

All I know is I saw a good battle, and this is when I got interested in Contests for the first time. The first two Hoenn contests seemed more like introductions to the fandom, but this one was the turning point.

Vernikova
27th June 2012, 9:56 PM
She was practicing Beautifly's Silver Wind in the Wailord filler and a few others.

Practicing Silver Wind does not mean that Beautfily could use Silver Wind, Tackle, and Gust in a coordinated manner all at the same time. If that were the case, moves like Ice Chandelier wouldn't have needed air time for training since Ice Beam had already been mastered long before the move was created and we already knew that Ice Beam could be used to create structures. That clearly isn't the case.


I don't see what the point of complaining about a lack of on-screen training is for when we usually never see it aside from when Ash is trying to teach his Pokemon a new move...like Treecko's Bullet seed or Snorunt's Ice beam.

Because I was reviewing an episode and you decided to defend terrible writing.


All I know is I saw a good battle, and this is when I got interested in Contests for the first time. The first two Hoenn contests seemed more like introductions to the fandom, but this one was the turning point.

The battle was nice. The outcome didn't make any sense.

CyberCubed
27th June 2012, 10:03 PM
Practicing Silver Wind does not mean that Beautfily could use Silver Wind, Tackle, and Gust in a coordinated manner all at the same time. If that were the case, moves like Ice Chandelier wouldn't have needed air time for training since Ice Beam had already been mastered long before the move was created and we already knew that Ice Beam could be used to create structures. That clearly isn't the case.

Beautifly was using fairly basic attacks. I don't see why any beginning trainer couldn't have pulled that off. The strategy came in when Beautifly immobilized Medicham's arms and showed the first signs of May starting to become a better trainer.


Because I was reviewing an episode and you decided to defend terrible writing.

The battle was nice. The outcome didn't make any sense.

Perhaps you're watching the series with the wrong expectations in mind, I don't see how you can enjoy 90% of the shows battles then, since they all play out rather similarly.

Vernikova
27th June 2012, 10:17 PM
Beautifly was using fairly basic attacks. I don't see why any beginning trainer couldn't have pulled that off.

In just the previous episode, Beautifly couldn't use Gust, Tackle, and String Shot at the same time. There was no training after that point and nothing to suggest that Beautifly could do three moves at the same time.


The strategy came in when Beautifly immobilized Medicham's arms and showed the first signs of May starting to become a better trainer.

Do you not realize how silly it sounds to say that May was a better strategist when she showed no strategical ability beforehand against an opponent who was shown to be a better strategist than Drew who is leagues beyond May at this point?


Perhaps you're watching the series with the wrong expectations in mind, I don't see how you can enjoy 90% of the shows battles then, since they all play out rather similarly.

I re-watch for the 10%.

The Eleventh
27th June 2012, 10:23 PM
off-screen
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Don't bother arguing with CyberCubed about May for your own health. We've all learnt how dear he holds her.

Vernikova
27th June 2012, 10:31 PM
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Don't bother arguing with CyberCubed about May for your own health. We've all learnt how dear he holds her.

I heard that PAD had a few people who could be difficult to deal with during discussions but I'm having no problem with him right now nor with anyone else in this section really. If anything, I'm educating him on a character he enjoys so he can have a more realistic liking to her.

CyberCubed
27th June 2012, 10:36 PM
In just the previous episode, Beautifly couldn't use Gust, Tackle, and String Shot at the same time. There was no training after that point and nothing to suggest that Beautifly could do three moves at the same time.

So in other words you think every battle ability is shown before hand? Mind explaining why every other character has Pokemon that do the same thing?


Do you not realize how silly it sounds to say that May was a better strategist when she showed no strategical ability beforehand against an opponent who was shown to be a better strategist than Drew who is leagues beyond May at this point?

Why does this bother you? Characters win against more experienced characters all the time. Drew lost because his Roselia couldn't counter Medicham the way Beautifly could. Roselia can't fly, couldn't immobilize it, its pretty simple really.

Since when do you lose against someone once and then never beat them again anyway? Its too bad Grace never returned but its not like characters can't win against someone they lose to prior.


I heard that PAD had a few people who could be difficult to deal with during discussions but I'm having no problem with him right now nor with anyone else in this section really. If anything, I'm educating him on a character he enjoys so he can have a more realistic liking to her.

I am well aware of each characters flaws. Seems to me that Rebecca is making a mountain out of a molehill, as if this is the only time in the entire series such an event took place. I guess she must have been oblivious to the 100 other times its happened.

Grey Wind
27th June 2012, 10:42 PM
Cyber, your argument has rapidly back-pedalled from "it was a perfectly fine battle" to "it was bad but so were a lot of other battles".

Just throwing that out there.

CyberCubed
27th June 2012, 10:44 PM
Cyber, your argument has rapidly back-pedalled from "it was a perfectly fine battle" to "it was bad but so were a lot of other battles".

Just throwing that out there.

I never said the battle was bad, I said most of these episodes never had much training prior to them. The Beautifly Vs. Medicham battle is easily one of the better contest battles in the series, and this was the start of when the Contests really started to take off in popularity in the show.

Grey Wind
27th June 2012, 10:48 PM
I never said the battle was bad, I said most of these episodes never had much training prior to them. The Beautifly Vs. Medicham battle is easily one of the better contest battles in the series, and this was the start of when the Contests really started to take off in popularity in the show.
Well you admitted to its flaws, same thing. Just because it's happend a lot doesn't mean that it's acceptable. You can't say that this battle was good on the basis that "so were some other battles". Beautifly couldn't even use the moves properly the episode before, it suddenly mastering them didn't make a whole lot of sense.

I think Beautifly should have trained for at least a day in May before being ready to battle.

Vernikova
27th June 2012, 10:50 PM
So in other words you think every battle ability is shown before hand? Mind explaining why every other character has Pokemon that do the same thing?

It should be foreshadowed at the minimum. In any case, they don't show it all of the time but when someone criticizes it as bad writing, which it is, then they (the writers and their fans) shouldn't complain when people do so. Every other character has Pokemon that do the same thing because of poor writing. Simple as that. This isn't a special case nor is it the first, the last, or the most egregious. It's just this case that happened in this episode and pointed out in this thread which discusses said episode.


Why does this bother you?

Because it's poor writing and you decided to pursue the issue to get my opinion on the matter.


Characters win against more experienced characters all the time. Drew lost because his Roselia couldn't counter Medicham the way Beautifly could. Roselia can't fly, couldn't immobilize it, its pretty simple really.

I don't have a problem with characters winning against people who are more experienced than they are. That's to be expected in shows like this. I have a problem with the fact that there was nothing showing that May had reached this level as a trainer and that she suddenly gained the skilled required to do so for no reason.


Since when do you lose against someone once and then never beat them again anyway? Its too bad Grace never returned but its not like characters can't win against someone they lose to prior.

This has nothing to do with what we're talking about.


I am well aware of each characters flaws. Seems to me that Rebecca is making a mountain out of a molehill, as if this is the only time in the entire series such an event took place. I guess she must have been oblivious to the 100 other times its happened.

I've probably pointed some of these things out in other threads that are primarily focused on battling. I don't point it out in episodes that don't have battling as a focus to the degree that Pokemon Contests and gym battles do. This just happened to be one of those episodes.

CyberCubed
27th June 2012, 10:55 PM
Well you admitted to its flaws, same thing. Just because it's happend a lot doesn't mean that it's acceptable. You can't say that this battle was good on the basis that "so were some other battles". Beautifly couldn't even use the moves properly the episode before, it suddenly mastering them didn't make a whole lot of sense.

I think Beautifly should have trained for at least a day in May before being ready to battle.

There was the filler with the Wailord that Beautifly was training. Beautifly had also lost its first Contest and improved tremendously. I also don't see how training prior should effect an enjoyment of a good battle.


It should be foreshadowed at the minimum. In any case, they don't show it all of the time but when someone criticizes it as bad writing, which it is, then they (the writers and their fans) shouldn't complain when people do so. Every other character has Pokemon that do the same thing because of poor writing. Simple as that. This isn't a special case nor is it the first, the last, or the most egregious. It's just this case that happened in this episode and pointed out in this thread which discusses said episode.

Beautifly was May's most used Pokemon at this point. I thought this was established?


I don't have a problem with characters winning against people who are more experienced than they are. That's to be expected in shows like this. I have a problem with the fact that there was nothing showing that May had reached this level as a trainer and that she suddenly gained the skilled required to do so for no reason.

And yet your only counter to this is Grace beat Drew who May couldn't, completely ignoring the different pokemon used and the fact that May lost to Drew in her first contest about 25 episodes before this one. Grace isn't some super skilled trainer either, why are you acting like she's Solidad or something?

The fact that I've been on the forums since 2004 and you're the first person in over 8 years to bring this up about this episode says a lot.

Vernikova
27th June 2012, 11:05 PM
Beautifly was May's most used Pokemon at this point. I thought this was established?

It being May's most used Pokemon has no bearing on her ability as a strategist, as a trainer, or the ability of the Pokemon itself as I've already shown.


And yet your only counter to this is Grace beat Drew who May couldn't, completely ignoring the different pokemon used and the fact that May lost to Drew in her first contest about 25 episodes before this one. Grace isn't some super skilled trainer either, why are you acting like she's Solidad or something?

She might as well be Solidad compared to May and Drew at this point in the series. Anyway, Drew is a better trainer than May in all aspects at this point in the series. It's fairly obvious. The fact that Grace was able to outclass Drew yet lose to May handily is telling of the writing of this episode and her handling. The different Pokemon used in the battles doesn't have anything to do with this. It's the skill of the trainer than I'm pointing out.


The fact that I've been on the forums since 2004 and you're the first person in over 8 years to bring this up about this episode says a lot.

Irrelevant to the discussion.

Pokemaniac24
28th June 2012, 12:26 AM
Zoey wasn't really shown as unbeatable. She lost to Nando, Fantina (in that practice battle), and May.

7threst
28th September 2012, 1:41 PM
This episode was really well-done. This episode is what made contests so popular back in the day and I thought all the three battles were interesting and cool to watch. It was perhaps quite out of the ordinary how powerful May has become, but she definitely deserved that ribbon.

AquaMilotic
25th December 2012, 3:57 PM
I have mixed feelings about it... I liked the battle, but May winning was a bit overpowered, and therefore not very realistic. But it was mentioned in this thread that there was "off-screen training", and I think that's true. But still... But oh well, trainers beating more experienced opponents happens all the time in Pokemon, so yeah... 6/10.

*~Silver*~
3rd February 2013, 7:26 AM
I agree that May was a bit overpowered, and I honestly couldn't decide whether to be amused, or irritated at Grace's constant pointless laughing... As for her Medicham, it's voice was entertaining to me. I don't know... There have been times when I've watched this episode just to hear Medicham's voice... It just fit so well, but was so weird... I don't even know... xD

Caseydia
6th February 2013, 5:51 PM
I agree that May was a bit overpowered, and I honestly couldn't decide whether to be amused, or irritated at Grace's constant pointless laughing... As for her Medicham, it's voice was entertaining to me. I don't know... There have been times when I've watched this episode just to hear Medicham's voice... It just fit so well, but was so weird... I don't even know... xD

Overpowered? Compared to her other battles later on, this battle actually felt proper. And if you use combination moves, the outcome is much stronger. That's what Garce taught her, May learned from it and she lost before. So it was good she won this time with effort.

p96822
15th December 2013, 4:11 AM
It was an okay episode for me.

Sephora
10th January 2014, 12:23 AM
One of my favourite episodes.
I just really love May and this battle. I just love the strategies of Beautfly's Silver Wind. Great first contest win for May, and in my opinion, better than Dawn's first win.

CyberCubed
10th January 2014, 3:26 AM
One of my favourite episodes.
I just really love May and this battle. I just love the strategies of Beautfly's Silver Wind. Great first contest win for May, and in my opinion, better than Dawn's first win.

Indeed, this was the first time I actually started to really like Contests in the anime. I think this was around the point where the writers were showing us what Contests could be in the series and how funny the character interaction between May and her rivals were.

Too bad Beautifly wasn't used much after this.

Painkiller2001
3rd November 2014, 3:54 AM
Glad May finally won her first contest ribbon!. :)

I found it odd how Jessie was disqualified after she lost her battle.