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Chelc
6th August 2009, 8:28 PM
Instead of just, yanno, having Clubs here, what about things like contests, awards, and other fun things to do? :) The Clubs forum is one of the more relaxed forums, and it feels a little quiet and boring as of late, so I thought a thread like this would be a good idea.

Other Clubs mods: This thread is for you, too! With the answers we get I was hoping we could plan out some fun things to do for this forum together. :D

Here are some questions for you guys to answer/go by:

#1 - What kind of miscellaneous threads would you like to see here?
It could be from contests to awards, anything fun that you can think of, but no games, please. We not only have a Games forum, but I'm not sure how a game would work here, anyways. Though yeah, suggest anything fun we could do here!

#2 - Is there any room for improvement here in this forum?
Are there Clubs you feel should not be here, or anything like that? Is the moderation too strict, or too laid back? All thoughts concerning specific clubs and moderation are appreciated.

#3 - Do you think this forum has become less active since Social Groups were created? Why or why not? How do you feel about Social Groups - do you like them, hate them, or are you neutral towards them?
I think this is pretty self-explanatory, and I'm just wondering because it seems like people who don't get their Clubs approved go straight to Social Groups instead of trying to re-make the Club again. I've also noticed this place is not as active as it used to be, and was wondering if it was just me who thought that.

#4 - Any other questions/concerns/comments?
Feel free to post them here!

Everything you say will be taken into consideration and will be appreciated as well. Thank you!

mangaeyes
6th August 2009, 8:47 PM
#1 - What kind of miscellaneous threads would you like to see here?
We could have a contest for all clubs? Like how about an art contest or something? All clubs could ask members to come up with some artwork and then they choose the best artwork and that goes foward to the contest, so every participating club has one entry they think is the best from their club. Then everybody votes! Simple. Doesn't have to be an art contest...could be a poem or a funny story related to their club.


#2 - Is there any room for improvement here in this forum?
I don't know about everybody else but I'd prefer it if mods layed off one-liners a bit. I don't think they do a great deal of damage to a club and I think some people don't bother posting in their club because they're worried they'll post a one-liner and get infracted! That also might be why its been a bit quiet lately.


#3 - Do you think this forum has become less active since Social Groups were created? Why or why not? How do you feel about Social Groups - do you like them, hate them, or are you neutral towards them?
I don't really use social groups but I think some of them are okay and I think there much better now than when they first came around. I don't think they've really replaced clubs to be honest but I think maybe they do contribute to the clubs section being less active.


#4 - Any other questions/concerns/comments?
I think the clubs catalogue thingy is very helpful and I think maybe there should be more encouragement for people to use it to find a club they might want to join. Just try to bring different things (like contests) to the clubs section because it is a much more entertaining and relaxing section and it would bring the different clubs together!

Angeling
7th August 2009, 2:32 AM
Posting / responding as a former Clubs mod (head). http://www.msgweb.nl/emoticons/angel_smile.gif


#2 - Is there any room for improvement here in this forum?
I don't know about everybody else but I'd prefer it if mods layed off one-liners a bit. I don't think they do a great deal of damage to a club and I think some people don't bother posting in their club because they're worried they'll post a one-liner and get infracted! That also might be why its been a bit quiet lately.
Maybe if users can post more than a simple short sentence of "that's good!" or something, the moderators can be more lenient.

But I suppose it could be a little less strict as long as the members are on topic and all.

I do like the idea of having some kind of event for Clubs. Or even Awards? For like, the best organized / managed or something.

mangaeyes
7th August 2009, 8:47 AM
Maybe if users can post more than a simple short sentence of "that's good!" or something, the moderators can be more lenient.
I agree that sort of sentence should be considered spam but something on topic that contributes to the conversation BUT is a one-liner I think should be accepted.



I do like the idea of having some kind of event for Clubs. Or even Awards? For like, the best organized / managed or something.
Yeah awards would be cool. Like best first page or something? I know I'd lose but it ould be fun XD

Angeling
7th August 2009, 6:46 PM
I agree that sort of sentence should be considered spam but something on topic that contributes to the conversation BUT is a one-liner I think should be accepted.
Well, depends on the sentence that might contribute to the conversation. I guess it's too much to expect essay-type posts, but... yeah, depends on the sentence, I think that can be worked out imo.


Yeah awards would be cool. Like best first page or something? I know I'd lose but it ould be fun XD
Well, I don't know about best first page but something like "best ____".

Chelc
8th August 2009, 12:18 AM
Man, only two replies? ;_; Does anyone care? lol. I'll unsticky + close this if people don't want anything fun to do here. Just suggestions, anyways :x

@mangaeyes: That would be fun! I'll keep it in mind. If I get anymore replies, that is.

As for one-liners, I agree with you. I don't usually infract if it's on topic and there really isn't much to say, but give off a warning to the user to add more to their future posts. Though if it's something like, "I agree!" "That is cool!" or something, I'll infract.

I agree, the Clubs Index is very useful! However, people don't seem to submit their Clubs a whole lot, so some people don't know that their is a Club for x-subject. :( People really need to check it more often.

@Eefi: Thanks for your reply. <3 Awards could be fun if people were up to it. As I said, I'm hoping for more replies. D:

Torpoleon
8th August 2009, 12:45 AM
#1 - What kind of miscellaneous threads would you like to see here?
I'd like to see some Awards kind of Competition, as stated a lot here. Maybe we could have a vote at the end of each year for like Best Video Game Club, etc. Then, when the next year comes, the winners of each category are announced. Sort of like with the fan fics.

#2 - Is there any room for improvement here in this forum?
There is room for improvement! I was thinking that mods should really enforce the rules here. Like check up on some clubs to see how everything is and if there is something wrong, the mods can butt in. Like if a member is fighting with the owner(it has happened to me, when I was the owner) so a mod can butt in.

#3 - Do you think this forum has become less active since Social Groups were created? Why or why not? How do you feel about Social Groups - do you like them, hate them, or are you neutral towards them?
I'm not much of a fan of Social Clubs. Personally, I prefer Clubs more because I think Clubs are more organized.

#4 - Any other questions/concerns/comments?
In one of my clubs, a newbie wanted to join my club but completely did not follow my rules and the Club rules. Two members were saying that I was harsh and WERE going to report me. I felt like they were telling me how to run my club. So I just report their posts and ignore them, right? Now everything has quieted down, but I need to know for the future. Oh and can one lining get a club closed if it doesn't follow the rules? Thanks! Oh and I think this thread was an excellent idea!

Killer Grunt
8th August 2009, 1:13 AM
#1 - What kind of miscellaneous threads would you like to see here?

I definitely agree with the competitions or something along those lines here, not only would it give people more to do but it may also get more people talking to others from different clubs so may get some more activity around here. The awards are a good idea too. Things such as most members, best organised, most active would all work pretty well i think. As for competitions well there could be things like tournaments for the type clubs well i suppose the clubs dedicated to certain pokemon could be included in that as well. Err i cant think of much right now its 1am and i had a terrible day at work so this will have to do :D

#2 - Is there any room for improvement here in this forum?

I have not had much experience with anything going wrong in any clubs or anything in this forum in general but thats probably because i was not paying attention at the time. Seems like the mods usually keep things under control since i have not seen people arguing or acting like an idiot to often.

#3 - Do you think this forum has become less active since Social Groups were created?

I have never really used a social group since clubs just seemed more organised an easier to use. I can see why it would make it less active here though but to be honest I cant think of any ways to get people using clubs instead of social groups. (Well apart from bribery and blackmail but i guess those are not viable options here, shame.)

#4 - Any other questions/concerns/comments?

Not much to say overall but if i think of anything else i'll let ya know.

Araleon
8th August 2009, 1:15 AM
Hmm, I'm only in one club and planning to be active, I was in another one, but stopped posting... Woops... And the club I was most active in died after the owner disappeared and me and one other person tried to save the club.

What the hey, I'll answer the questions.

#1 - What kind of miscellaneous threads would you like to see here?
I agree that the awards would be a good idea. This part of the forums seems... kind of quiet and secluded. The clubs could vie for awards like ""Best Front Page" , "Most Members" , and other things. It could liven up the forum.

#2 - Is there any room for improvement here in this forum?
Uh, I think the one-liners rules could be a little more lenient. Like, in the club I was in that died (the Jessie club), the owner saw the one-liner rule and was pretty strict about it. No matter if the one-liner was on topic or not. I think that's partially why the club died, there wasn't enough to talk about with three lines.

#3 - Do you think this forum has become less active since Social Groups were created? Why or why not? How do you feel about Social Groups - do you like them, hate them, or are you neutral towards them?
I don't know, sorry. I'm not in any social groups, I don't really see the point since they are like clubs, but hey, whatever works for the forum.

#4 - Any other questions/concerns/comments?
Uh... No. Sorry if I wasn't too helpful.

Maylu Sakurai
8th August 2009, 3:03 AM
#2
The 1 liners rule is a little 2 strict some were psoting so many 1 liners my club almost gotten closed but they seemed on topic
#3
I am not in very many social clubs I lost a couple social club recently owned by friends but it seems some clubs are dying
4)
Chelsea keep up your awesome work around here since your mod of clubs it seems your doing the most work around here and is excellent work

Chelc
8th August 2009, 11:19 PM
Yay, more replies. ;334;

@Torpoleon: Thanks for your input!


There is room for improvement! I was thinking that mods should really enforce the rules here. Like check up on some clubs to see how everything is and if there is something wrong, the mods can butt in. Like if a member is fighting with the owner(it has happened to me, when I was the owner) so a mod can butt in.

Hmm, I see what you're saying. I know some Clubs can get really off topic and possibly spammy sometimes, so I'll do my best to cover them more often. I was just re-added here, so I'll do my best browsing through the active Clubs.


In one of my clubs, a newbie wanted to join my club but completely did not follow my rules and the Club rules. Two members were saying that I was harsh and WERE going to report me. I felt like they were telling me how to run my club. So I just report their posts and ignore them, right? Now everything has quieted down, but I need to know for the future. Oh and can one lining get a club closed if it doesn't follow the rules? Thanks! Oh and I think this thread was an excellent idea!

Newbies should be allowed some time to learn the rules, but if they aren't willing to learn at all (trust me, there's a difference), then they should not be posting / be reported. :| Depending on the severity, I doubt you were that harsh, if things have calmed down by now. You are the owner of the Club, not them, meaning you make and enforce your own rules along with the general forum and Club rules yourself. If they don't like your rules and find them harsh, they can always PM me or another Club mod about it. So yes, you did the right thing by reporting them, because that's spamming and on the verge of mini-modding, because they should have PMed a staff member instead of dealing with it themselves.

One-liners seem to be confusing for most people here. The way I see them, they are one-sentenced/one-lined posts that do not contribute to the Club's topic in any way. Let me clear up the differences below:

One-liner that should be reported: Yeah, that's cool! I totally agree with you.
Not only is it one line, but who cares? No one. This post has absolutely no explanations as to reasons for feeling that way. It's a Stupid Pointless Annoying Message, aka spam. These types of one-liners can, yes, get a Club closed if there are too many, and should always be reported. A warning will be issued the first time, any other times, a three point infraction for spam will be issued.

One-liner that should not be reported: I think we should have a contest for this Club each week. What about a Pokemon themed fan art or fan fic contest?
Even though it is one line, it gets to the point, and there isn't much more you can say, really. These types of posts don't have to be reported. Apologies if this isn't the best example, I don't feel that well and can't really think of a good one right now. If you still need help differentiating/want a better example, just ask.

@Araleon: I hope my explanation above helps explain one-liners a bit better. It seems some people have trouble telling the difference between reportable ones and ones that don't need to be reported. Yeah, no one needs a paragraph or essay or anything in their post, just enough so it makes/continues the topic discussion. Thanks for your input!

@Maylu Sakurai: Thank you. ^^; I was recently re-added here to help out, so I haven't been here for very long yet (even if I was in this forum in the past), but it means a lot that you think that. :)

Club Awards - Good to go?
So I guess we will have a Clubs Awards? :p I think it would be pretty fun myself. Now we just need to set up a date and some categories, etc. I was thinking maybe nominations could start in October and go through November, and voting could go on throughout December, and that way, we would have the awards done before this year ends. They would be held yearly / be yearly awards. How about that? Thoughts?

Shadow XD001
8th August 2009, 11:53 PM
A good idea for the clubs is to do it like in Fan Fiction. Have a Club Awards start at the beginning/very end of November and you can vote on your favorite clubs. It should really only be for clubs made in between Jan. and Dec. Although there could be a "Best Long-running Club" which be any time before Jan. '09.

#1 - What kind of miscellaneous threads would you like to see here?
Basically what I just said.


#2 - Is there any room for improvement here in this forum?
To be less-strict on one-lining, unless it absolutely does not contribute and is just "May I join?"

#3 - Do you think this forum has become less active since Social Groups were created? Why or why not? How do you feel about Social Groups - do you like them, hate them, or are you neutral towards them?I like clubs better. For one, they're more organized. Also, maybe some people might like Social Groups better, but, to me, clubs are better.

#4 - Any other questions/concerns/comments?
I have a question. If the owner, or if the club doesn't get much posts, doesn't posts a lot and then people stop posting, how long would it be until someone can make a new version of that club?

Thank you very much for, hopefully, taking the time to read this, Club Mods.

Off-Topic: Congrats on being modded back here again, Chelc!

PokemonHero
9th August 2009, 12:56 AM
#1 - What kind of miscellaneous threads would you like to see here?

It would be interesting if we had some sort of Club Advertising thread. We do have the directory, but it would be cool for the owners to point out what our clubs are about and what they have to offer. Kinda like those events that some schools do for clubs. Of course, you would have to avoid bashing.

I also like the idea of a Clubs Awards, but not right away. I'm still trying to recruit for my club.

#2 - Is there any room for improvement here in this forum?

Besides the one-liner thing that others have pointed out, nothing I can think of.

#3 - Do you think this forum has become less active since Social Groups were created? Why or why not? How do you feel about Social Groups - do you like them, hate them, or are you neutral towards them?

I really don't care either way for social groups. I tried to form one, but it never got too active even though it was a subject that I thought might attract attention.

#4 - Any other questions/concerns/comments?

Not really. I have another club idea, but I probably won't try to form it for a while.

Torpoleon
9th August 2009, 1:21 PM
Club Awards - Good to go?
I think that club awards are good to go! So, nominations for categories in October and November, with voting in December? Sounds like a plan. On the first day of January, winners from each category can be announced. Can members pick some categories, because I have some ideas:

1. Which club enforces the rules harshly?
2. Which club is your favorite?
3. Which club is your least favorite?
4. Do you think the owner of this club is harsh?
5. Do you think the owner of this club is nice?
6. Which club enforces the rules not so harshly?

That is about it. It seems like a good amount and these seem like good questions for Club Awards.

Shadow XD001
9th August 2009, 2:25 PM
Some of those aren't really good awards. You don't want the owners to feel bad about themselves tah their rules aren't good. I think the biggest award would be:
Club of the Year Award. Also, some awards for past clubs, before Jan. 2009.

Chelc
9th August 2009, 5:39 PM
A good idea for the clubs is to do it like in Fan Fiction. Have a Club Awards start at the beginning/very end of November and you can vote on your favorite clubs. It should really only be for clubs made in between Jan. and Dec. Although there could be a "Best Long-running Club" which be any time before Jan. '09.

Oh, alright, that sounds good. I agree about it being for Clubs made in between Jan-Dec, and I haven't kept track of that this year due to recently being added here, so...would it be better to start them for next year instead of this year? And that Best Long-Running Club would be good to do in October-December before January if we can't get to the main Club Awards.


1. Which club enforces the rules harshly?
2. Which club is your favorite?
3. Which club is your least favorite?
4. Do you think the owner of this club is harsh?
5. Do you think the owner of this club is nice?
6. Which club enforces the rules not so harshly?

Hmm. Maybe add some wording to make it sound nicer? Like...

1. Club that enforces/follows the rules the most
2. Most Liked Club
3. Not sure about this one. :x
4. Best Overall Club Owner
5. Nicest Club Owner
6. Most Lenient Club/Owner

And as Shadow said above, Club of the Year would be the biggest award.

Also, what do you guys think we should do for the awards/prizes?



It would be interesting if we had some sort of Club Advertising thread. We do have the directory, but it would be cool for the owners to point out what our clubs are about and what they have to offer. Kinda like those events that some schools do for clubs. Of course, you would have to avoid bashing.

That could be cool. How do you guys feel about this? It could turn out to be something that is a lot of fun.

suicune lover
9th August 2009, 5:48 PM
#1 - What kind of miscellaneous threads would you like to see here?
I totally agree on the club awards thing.

1. Club that enforces/follows the rules the most
2. Most Liked Club
3. Not sure about this one. :x
4. Best Overall Club Owner
5. Nicest Club Owner
6. Most Lenient Club/Owner
How about:
Best front page layout? I like that idea
Most active club?

#2 - Is there any room for improvement here in this forum?
No, I think is fine.

#3 - Do you think this forum has become less active since Social Groups were created? Why or why not? How do you feel about Social Groups - do you like them, hate them, or are you neutral towards them?
I don't know if Social groups have affected Clubs, I joined after they were made. They are better in some aspects, in Social groups you can make your own sub-forums and things, but because of that they are less organised IMO. In these kind of clubs all the info is on one page. So I like Club-Clubs better.
And its easier just to go to a seperate sub-forum and to see if there are any new posts, rather than to have to check on your profile everytime.

Also, what do you guys think we should do for the awards/prizes?
Glory?


That could be cool. How do you guys feel about this? It could turn out to be something that is a lot of fun.
But what if a certain club is about another site? Like the GPX+ club, wouldn't it sort of be like advertising GPX+ which is breaking the rules? But it does sound fun.

Shadow XD001
9th August 2009, 6:11 PM
Yeah, I like the Club Advertising thread. I made a club that only has one post (a bump post I made, which the owner can only do once) so it would be interesting for me to talk about the club. Also, should we provide a link to the club? Not everyone's club is on the Club List and BA doesn't add them right when they're accepted and sometimes he doesn't really post in there to accept the clubs. So this would be good. Also, the providing a link is optional, but recommended.

The Club Awards should start next. Also, there should be "Club of the Month Award".

EDIT: With the Club of the Month award, if your club was made by the end of the month (about 15 or so) your club won't win the award. Actually, it can't be on the first month you made your club. It can be any month after the month you made it. Also, this would also qualify for the older clubs that still have activity.

Torpoleon
9th August 2009, 7:18 PM
Oh, Shadow, with number 4 I meant like which owner really enforces the rules. I don't really know what kind of awards we could get. Would the award apply to the owner of the club? I like Club of the Month. Of course Club of the Year would be awesome. I think everything should wait until 2010 starts. Its already almost mid-August, so we should wait to start things like Club of the Month till Jan. 2010. Then, we'd wait until Oct. 2010, to pick nominees till Nov. 2010 Voting in Dec. 2010 and the winner on Jan. 1, 2011. Categories can be picked over time, as well. Club of the month will be every month, starting Jan. 1, 2010, as with Club of the year. Club of the month will begin that time too, and end at the last of every month. Club of the year will end on Dec. 31. each year. Whew, that is a lot.

Mimori Kiryu
9th August 2009, 7:41 PM
I'm not that active in many clubs but I shall put in my two cents, nonetheless.

#1 - What kind of miscellaneous threads would you like to see here?
I wouldn't mind seeing an award thread for best run clubs, or most active. You know, topics like that.

#2 - Is there any room for improvement here in this forum?
I think it's alright here. It doesn't seem like a place that has that many problems.

#3 - Do you think this forum has become less active since Social Groups were created?
No, I don't believe so. I didn't get my Club approved so I just dropped the idea completely. I mean there are still people making clubs so they're still active.

#4 - Any other questions/concerns/comments?
Nah. Not really.


Sorry I didn't contribute too much. :<

Chelc
10th August 2009, 7:50 PM
@suicune lover: Yes, those can be categories, too! I'll keep a list and put it on the first page so people can add on and keep track of the categories we have. Thank you for your input!

@Shadow: Club of the Month sounds cool. I was thinking of something like that. I was thinking that I could hold it the first time around, and whoever wins the award, they could hold the next one, and so on.

@Torpoleon: Yeah, I think we might want to wait til 2010, because it will be a new year, and doing awards would be much easier because I can keep track of the Clubs.

@Mimori: Aww, thanks for replying! It means a lot, especially from someone who doesn't check out Clubs too often. :] I love any kind of input. XD

Yeti
11th August 2009, 11:43 PM
Hello I would like to volunteer my services for running the Club Awards, whenever we decide it should begin. I will be available to run it in subsequent years as well :]
I have some experience running an Awards thread and I can use the same format from it for this one.

I've got some other ideas for awards so more Clubs/people can get nominated and prizes.. always good to diversify!

Social groups are less formal and controlled than a Club imo so I don't really frequent them.. I think some people use both but I don't believe they have stolen any of Club's members.

I haven't really noticed too many people saying off-topic or spammy one-liners in my club but perhaps because we have enough material to allow for full replies.

Kiori
13th August 2009, 1:15 AM
#2 - Is there any room for improvement here in this forum?
Maybe this is asking too much, but when members join it's nicer to see them reply to topics. XD; It might be a problem to the clubs at that rate though. However, iirc the Eeveelutions Club used to allow members to join the club via PM forms. Anyone who posted a request to join @ thread were immediately exiled from becoming a member. Though, I'm not too sure if that's too harsh. ^^;

It's nicer to see threads reduce the number of off-topic talks as well, even when they're waiting for the new thread to be created. :\ It creates a better image of the club in general imo.

Sorry I can't exactly answer the other topics. I'm not too familiar with them and I can't seem to come up with any good ideas for non-club threads yet. ^^;

Angeling
13th August 2009, 5:52 AM
I'm sorry for being so unclear but I need to head to bed like, now. Someone mentioned a Club advertising thread with a description from each club owner. It might be a good idea, but it might also be rather ... tedious? Or at least if not tedious, then a long process. It might work with perseverance though, and it's definitely a nice idea. Maybe one can incorporate that into the Club directory.

I like Kiori's example of how the old Eeveelutions Club had members joining and putting those who tried to join by posting on exile. It's a bit harsh but it's effective, imo. Maybe not for all clubs though, haha.

Reducing the off-topic messages is good. Cause yes, a club can be somewhere you can gather with people who share a common goal / interest / etc as you, but if you don't talk about that common trait, then what's the point of the club? And the common trait will be "unloved."

Also, I think Chelc will be capable of running the Awards for here. She'll also (hopefully) have help. And in any case, she has the sgod on her side. [That sgod is me, if no one figured that out.]

Did my post make any sense?

Shadowfaith
13th August 2009, 11:22 PM
1 - What kind of miscellaneous threads would you like to see here?
An awards thread would be awesome in my opinion and I would be more than happy to set that up with a few volenteers, mods or members of course. Would be nice for the members to work with the mods in some aspects to be honest.

As stated before having a club advertisement section would be mucho hard work and though we have a thread for club links already its hard to find which are out of date and which are not. It would be nice to have an entire thread closed off to posts so that mods may update the thread when new clubs are added or clubs are removed. I suppose we could use it as a sort of club approval/disapproval thread, but it would take a lot of work, expecially if only the mods could handle it X

#2 - Is there any room for improvement here in this forum?
I personally think we should be a little more harsh on club starting. Members are still aloud to make threads on Pokemon groups such as the Sandshrew/Sandslash club and tbh they get hardly anywhere, were talking about keeping on the topic the club was made for and there is little to speak of with two Pokemon XP. I mean the Ground Pokemon club could easily cover Sandshrew/Sandslash...

#3 - Do you think this forum has become less active since Social Groups were created? Why or why not? How do you feel about Social Groups - do you like them, hate them, or are you neutral towards them?
I hate social groups, they're a waste of space and a cause for more problems, but that is my oppinion I guess. Clubs have become a little more inactive since the launch of social groups and I personally don't see the point in having two places dedicated to the gathering of members with similar interests to one another. True Social clubs are more conveniant but they are harder to control and keep track of imo.

#4 - Any other questions/concerns/comments?
Not really XP... I suppose we could try and have some events such as banner making and avatar making for clubs. For example who can make the best banner for they're clubs ext. Or maybe art contests and what not. I know clubs try to have these contests quite often so why not make it wider and have a contest between all clubs? Perhaps we could even have groups or something...I dunno XP

Tiffany
13th August 2009, 11:23 PM
I think some type of Club awards would be fun. It would let all the members get known and possibly open potentials for new members to keep their clubs active.

Maybe we can also get someone to make those awards? I know that I suck at graphics, lul. :<

Chelc
14th August 2009, 4:26 PM
Yay, thanks for replying, Tiff and SF! <3


1 - What kind of miscellaneous threads would you like to see here?
An awards thread would be awesome in my opinion and I would be more than happy to set that up with a few volenteers, mods or members of course. Would be nice for the members to work with the mods in some aspects to be honest.

As stated before having a club advertisement section would be mucho hard work and though we have a thread for club links already its hard to find which are out of date and which are not. It would be nice to have an entire thread closed off to posts so that mods may update the thread when new clubs are added or clubs are removed. I suppose we could use it as a sort of club approval/disapproval thread, but it would take a lot of work, expecially if only the mods could handle it X

#2 - Is there any room for improvement here in this forum?
I personally think we should be a little more harsh on club starting. Members are still aloud to make threads on Pokemon groups such as the Sandshrew/Sandslash club and tbh they get hardly anywhere, were talking about keeping on the topic the club was made for and there is little to speak of with two Pokemon XP. I mean the Ground Pokemon club could easily cover Sandshrew/Sandslash...

#3 - Do you think this forum has become less active since Social Groups were created? Why or why not? How do you feel about Social Groups - do you like them, hate them, or are you neutral towards them?
I hate social groups, they're a waste of space and a cause for more problems, but that is my oppinion I guess. Clubs have become a little more inactive since the launch of social groups and I personally don't see the point in having two places dedicated to the gathering of members with similar interests to one another. True Social clubs are more conveniant but they are harder to control and keep track of imo.

#4 - Any other questions/concerns/comments?
Not really XP... I suppose we could try and have some events such as banner making and avatar making for clubs. For example who can make the best banner for they're clubs ext. Or maybe art contests and what not. I know clubs try to have these contests quite often so why not make it wider and have a contest between all clubs? Perhaps we could even have groups or something...I dunno XP

1 - I agree about the Clubs Advertisement thread. It would be a lot of work and may be hard to keep up. Now I'm kind of unsure about it. Maybe in the Clubs List thread, people can allow a description of the Club along with the link, so that saves us work + another thread? :p I dunno. XD;

2 - Oh yeah, I agree. Do you think we should only allow types of Pokemon Clubs then? I know that discussing only a pokemon + its evos can easily get boring (from what I see, most of those Clubs die - it's rare to see one alive after a couple of months), and with Clubs for a specific type, a person can discuss tons of pokemon at once and the discussion can stay lively.

3 - I know right? D: I wish we could axe Social Groups. You basically said everything I was thinking/have been thinking about Social Groups. I think Clubs is way better. ;D /biased

4 - That sounds cool. Does anyone have any more input on this kind of idea? It could be a fun thing for all Clubs to do!


I think some type of Club awards would be fun. It would let all the members get known and possibly open potentials for new members to keep their clubs active.

Maybe we can also get someone to make those awards? I know that I suck at graphics, lul. :<

Yeah, that's what I think, too. I think it'd be fun if all of the Club mods could hold the Awards together now that we've all (besides Medea, though I'm hoping/sure she'll reply sometime soon :)) replied here. :D

lol I'm horrible at graphics, too. With that said, is anyone interested in the job of making banners or whatever for the Club Awards? It might be a lot of work, so it could be a group job if there are a lot of people interested in making graphics.

crobatman
14th August 2009, 4:46 PM
So, if clubs competed in a art contest or whatever, then what about those people who are in more than one club? Could you support both?


How about an award of the longest run club!
Club with the Most Members.

I am trying to think of others suggestions...

What about a interclub wifi battle tournament!!! :)

Shadowfaith
14th August 2009, 6:12 PM
Yay, thanks for replying, Tiff and SF! <3



1 - I agree about the Clubs Advertisement thread. It would be a lot of work and may be hard to keep up. Now I'm kind of unsure about it. Maybe in the Clubs List thread, people can allow a description of the Club along with the link, so that saves us work + another thread? :p I dunno. XD;

2 - Oh yeah, I agree. Do you think we should only allow types of Pokemon Clubs then? I know that discussing only a pokemon + its evos can easily get boring (from what I see, most of those Clubs die - it's rare to see one alive after a couple of months), and with Clubs for a specific type, a person can discuss tons of pokemon at once and the discussion can stay lively.

3 - I know right? D: I wish we could axe Social Groups. You basically said everything I was thinking/have been thinking about Social Groups. I think Clubs is way better. ;D /biased

4 - That sounds cool. Does anyone have any more input on this kind of idea? It could be a fun thing for all Clubs to do!

1- That would be more convenient. If we could do that then it would save us a hell of a lot of work an there doesn't really seem to be anything wrong with the thread anyways =)

2-I personally think we should only allow group pokemon clubs yes. I mean we let people create clubs about Sandshrew and Sandslash to technically we should alow them to make one of Sabley as it has not evolution. So I say we scrap singular Pokemon evo chains and just discuss them in group Pokemon clubs personally XP

3- XD Same, though it can't be helped to be honest with you. Clubs are way cleaner and more managable and I would hate to see them go and be replaced by poxy Social groups XP

4- Crobat. Thats a good question, I suppose we would have to discuss that. I guess one way is to have one entry per person so therefore only one club or simply just make it so as the award goes to the person and not the club and can therefore input whatever they wish. Again we would have to discuss it XP

Medea
15th August 2009, 1:18 AM
My apologies for the UBER late post. Real life sux!

*1 - What kind of miscellaneous threads would you like to see here?
I'm an agreement with everyone else about an awards thread. Hell if Face-Offs can have awards, Clubs deserve it. Club Advertisement Thread? As Chelc said, it might be hard to maintain, but I'm liking the idea.

*2 - Is there any room for improvement here in this forum?
There's always room for more improvements. I think for us mods, we should do a three-strike policy with clubs. If the club is being too retarded/out of control (i.e. endless one-liners/spam messages/off-topic crap) we give them three warnings. After that we have full right to close it. I remember Clubs in the past staying open after COUNTLESS warnings from moderators and no change from their club. I might come back to this one because this is the only thing I can think of.

*3 - Do you think this forum has become less active since Social Groups were created? Why or why not? How do you feel about Social Groups - do you like them, hate them, or are you neutral towards them?
I hate Social Groups. I think they are a waste of time and energy. They should die. The end.

*4 - Any other questions/concerns/comments?
Nah, not really. I'll talk about more later.

Shadow XD001
15th August 2009, 2:52 PM
1 - I agree about the Clubs Advertisement thread. It would be a lot of work and may be hard to keep up. Now I'm kind of unsure about it. Maybe in the Clubs List thread, people can allow a description of the Club along with the link, so that saves us work + another thread? :p I dunno. XD;



Yeah, I agree. There have been changes with the forms in the Club List Thread. So in the Club List, with the form, you should say a little bit about the club. Like what it's about and why the members should join. Not all of the members view the Club List thread and check everyone's post, so they might not read it. Maybe when you put in the form and BA adds it, he adds some description from what you said next to the name, yeah I don't know. Also, if you already have your Club in there you post saying the name of your Club and the little (emphasis on little description)

It shouldn't be like an essay. Just a few sentences.

Torpoleon
15th August 2009, 5:02 PM
About the thing where we probably will just be allowed to have clubs about Pokemon types, it would really be less popular Pokemon like Sandshew and Sandslah that wont get too much discussion. For example, my Piplup, Prinplup and Empoleon Club has been around since Nov. 4, 2008 and still shows signs of great life. Maybe clubs should be created for popular Pokemon only? Oh and my Piplup, Prinplup and Empoleon Club has like 532 posts.

I like the idea of a Club Advertisement Thread, but that should start in 2010, right?

Sorry, but I can't make banners, or any Fan Art. There should be some other people. Want me to request some banners for Club Awards?

Can't you guys just ask Serebii or someone to get rid of Social Groups or do it yourselves. I really do hate Social Groups. They are unorganized and are a waste of space and time. I don't really think that Social Groups are heavily moderated, or moderated at all, for that matter.

Chelc
15th August 2009, 7:16 PM
Can't you guys just ask Serebii or someone to get rid of Social Groups or do it yourselves. I really do hate Social Groups. They are unorganized and are a waste of space and time. I don't really think that Social Groups are heavily moderated, or moderated at all, for that matter.

Well, a poll was taken, and most moderators actually did want to get rid of Social Groups. However, Serebii doesn't, and his opinion triumphs over all of ours, so yeah. :p Though I think if enough members disliked them and wanted to get rid of them, he might agree to do so.

You're right, there is very little moderating of Social Groups, mostly because mods don't care to do it. There's very little options for moderators with Social Groups, so it's really hard to mod them. Recently Ellie did a huge clean up of Social Groups, and deleted a lot of them. At the moment, we're trying to figure out how modding them can be easier so they aren't so crazy and spammy, because it seems like they're going to be staying here unfortunately.

Will respond to the other posts later! Thanks again for all your input, guys.

Alkaide
18th August 2009, 6:01 AM
#1 - What kind of miscellaneous threads would you like to see here?
I think that there should be a club awards thread, just as everyone else said. Club competitions between different clubs would be good, too, but I'm not exactly sure how that would be implemented.

#2 - Is there any room for improvement here in this forum?
I think that the mods should really infract users who only post a single line within a club. One-liners look too spammy and there completely pointless. I mean, the clubs forum doesn't raise your post-count, so it's not like they're trying to just post in order to go up a rank. They join the club and put absolutely no input in it.

#3 - Do you think this forum has become less active since Social Groups were created? Why or why not? How do you feel about Social Groups - do you like them, hate them, or are you neutral towards them?
Definitely. Although I don't use social groups anymore, it has died down after they were created. I don't really like them, since they're the same thing, (personally I thought the point of the social groups was to create a group that just you and your sppf friends could post in, in a more carefree manner. But apparently that's not the point of a social group], and instead they just completely took over the point of the clubs forum.

#4 - Any other questions/concerns/comments?
I really like Kiori's idea to make members join in a PM, I think it would make the club look less spammy. Therefore, if they never post, you won't notice it. But let's say I had a club, and the rules of the club said that they had to ask for membership within a pm, and someone posted in the club instead. If I reported the post, could I get that post deleted? I just really dislike clubs that look all spam-prone.

mangaeyes
18th August 2009, 10:57 AM
@ crobatman I wouldn't want to do "Club with the most members" because some clubs just accept anybody who wants to join and never prunes the members list. Ie. I accept anybody into my club but if they are not active or don't make any more posts then I remove them from the list which means I'd have less members than somebody who just accepts anybody and never removes them.

Chelc
20th August 2009, 1:06 AM
Alright, I've read through everyone's posts. Sorry for taking so long, lol. It's just that I'm gonna try to make a list of some sort with who agrees/likes certain ideas and vice versa, etc. I want everyone here to know what the mods are planning, too, so here's a list of things most of us have agreed to implement so far. We want to make sure that you're okay with the things we plan to do here, so it doesn't come as a surprise or anything.

- Club Awards are for sure happening. They will happen in 2010, most likely sometime during September-December. The Club mods will be holding the Awards. We are in need of a list of categories, so if you have any ideas for categories, you can post them here or PM me if you want.
- Axe the "Pokemon + Evos" Clubs and only allow "____ Type" Clubs from now on. I know some of you, like Torpoleon, have successful pokemon + evos Clubs, so even if we have agreed on this, we still need more input about this from members.
- Three strike policy with all Clubs. Basically, if any of us have to warn a Club three times for not following the rules, after the third warning/strike, it will be closed, no questions asked. We think this is pretty fair, but what do you guys think?
- Combine the Club Advertisement thread + Club List thread. Instead of just giving a link to your Club, you would be able to give a short description and possibly a banner along with it. That way, we would have no need for an Advertisement thread, and you're still able to advertise your Club in some way. Thoughts?
- Banner and avatar Contests for each individual Club. Club owners would be able to hold these contests whenever they feel like it. It would generate activity because I know discussion over the same topic can get boring. This isn't a rule or anything, but something for all Club owners to consider. It can also include fan fics and any other fan work type things. What do you guys think?
- For all Clubs; PMing the owner to join instead of asking in the thread. There would be less spam and you could get to discussing the topic(s) right away, instead of going through the joining process. Yes/no?
* Also, we need a definition of a one liner to add the FAQ that everyone understands. This one (http://serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?p=10271108#post10271108) is mine, but it might need to be more clear/concise. We really want to make sure you guys understand them so you don't report false things, etc.

I think that's it for now! I know there are other things to be discussed in this thread but these are the things we need to get through first. :p Again, thanks for all your help and input, guys! <3

Walcott
20th August 2009, 1:37 AM
I'm not sure if any of these things were said already, so I apologize in advance if they are ;P

#1 - What kind of miscellaneous threads would you like to see here?
I can't think of much... maybe a thread for people looking for Club Art? I know they can just go to the Fan Art section, but it might be a bit hard to navigate in a forum you're not used to. Plus, I'm sure there are members who can create art, or have connections to people that can, in the Clubs section, so they could reply to things. I dunno.

#2 - Is there any room for improvement here in this forum?
Not to suck up, but I think it's been awesome since you returned Chelc, and I mean that; you really listen to people and make sure you know how to handle something correctly the first time.

Anyway xD I think that certain clubs need to be bunched together. For example, I own the Starter Pok&#233;mon Club - maybe there shouldn't be clubs specifically for the Piplup line, or Charmander line, this way there are less clubs and it's easier for the mods to moderate and easier for us to navigate ^^;

And I know it's a long shot, but maybe a sub-forum specifically for Non-Pok&#233;mon Clubs? Sort of like how the Fan Fiction section is set up; again, just to make it easier to navigate and be a bit mroe sorted out. The only problem I see here is the fact that people would probably have to submit the club to the correct section, and I can see that getting frustrating for mods when they have to move a bunch somewhere else >>;

#3 - Do you think this forum has become less active since Social Groups were created? Why or why not? How do you feel about Social Groups - do you like them, hate them, or are you neutral towards them?
I never really understood the point of Social Groups since there is already the clubs, so I'm not a big fan of them ;P

#4 - Any other questions/concerns/comments?
Nope, none that I can think of.


BA~~

Pikachu_luver
20th August 2009, 2:26 AM
I'm not really active on the club forums since there are few ones I'm interested in. But I'll put my two cents in.

#1 - What kind of miscellaneous threads would you like to see here?
I really like the idea of club awards. They would really make the club forums more active. Other than that I can't really think of any other threads here other than more clubs. Idk.

#2 - Is there any room for improvement here in this forum?
There is always room for improvement here. Maybe the mods could be a little less strict about the one liners? Like as long as it contributes to the thread its ok. But if they keep on one-lining then its ok to report them. Its not like they get post count +1 from a club.

#3 - Do you think this forum has become less active since Social Groups were created? Why or why not? How do you feel about Social Groups - do you like them, hate them, or are you neutral towards them?
I think the clubs has been less active since they were created. Some people make a social group that would make a decent club here. I personally choose clubs over social groups since clubs are more organized and less spammy.

#4 - Any other questions/concerns/comments?
Not really.
Sorry if I didn't contribute that much. ^^;

Torpoleon
20th August 2009, 1:39 PM
Even if there are clubs for like Starter Pokemon and clubs (like my Piplup Line) I wouldn't have to get my club closed because there would be an agreement for clubs just about types, right? That would be ridiculous. Besides, what if my Piplup Line Club was made after before the Starter Pokemon Club, or at least when one had died and a new one was not made until after my club was made? Man, I am shaking right now, at the fact if my Piplup Line Club would have to get closed.

Chelc
20th August 2009, 8:24 PM
Even if there are clubs for like Starter Pokemon and clubs (like my Piplup Line) I wouldn't have to get my club closed because there would be an agreement for clubs just about types, right? That would be ridiculous. Besides, what if my Piplup Line Club was made after before the Starter Pokemon Club, or at least when one had died and a new one was not made until after my club was made? Man, I am shaking right now, at the fact if my Piplup Line Club would have to get closed.

Don't worry, Torpoleon. If the Club is active like your own, it will not get closed. The rule will just be put into effect sometime soon. After we put the rule into effect, we will not allow anymore pokemon + evos Clubs to be made. Does that make sense? ^^;

B_A: Thanks for your kind words. <3 It really means a lot after having to mod elsewhere, aka a place where I wasn't appreciated as much, lol. ANYWAYS, it's nice to be in a forum with really great members again. :p

A Non-Pokemon Club sub-forum is a great idea! I'll add the idea to the first page, or possibly add a poll of some sort to this thread where members can vote on it. It will also have to be decided upon by the mods, too, so yeah.

Bundling certain Clubs together sounds like a great idea! We'll take it into consideration. I know Torpoleon might not want to do that, though, because of how successful the Piplup + Evos Club is. XD; Input from other members is needed on this!

Also what do you guys think about the Club Art idea?

Pikachu_luver: Thanks for your input! <3

Torpoleon
20th August 2009, 9:20 PM
I answered yes to the poll. People who submit their clubs on the Pokemon Clubs Section could just have their thread created onto the Non-Pokemon Sub Forum by the mods if needed. Like, if I am on the page for Pokemon Clubs and I make a club about.......Pie(obviously I wont, but this is just an example) so, when a mod accepts it, can't it show up on the Non- Pokemon Sub Forum though?

Also, I think the clubs like my Piplup Line should remain open and so should the other popular ones, but people wont make anymore Pokemon line ones or anything like that and discuss them in their respective types or in the Legendary or Starter Pokemon Club, if acceptable. But, what if it is a Pokemon that is a dual type? Like Empoleon, it could be discussed in the Water Pokemon and Steel Pokemon Club as well as the Starter and my Piplup Line club, right? The reason why I created my Piplup Line Club( as an example) was so that people can go kind of more in depth in Piplup, Prinplup and Empoleon.

With Club Art, you mean the Fan Art that some people have in their clubs?

The Non- Pokemon Sub Forum will also make the Clubs Forum more organized too! So, clubs that aren't Pokemon related will be moved, right? Well, as long as they have been posted in in less than 30 days. (Like my brother's, Shadow XD001, Legend of Zelda Club) Will this important announcement be posted on the forum where mods post SPPf Announcements? Oh yeah and there should be Club Awards for each of the sections too, if people and the mods agree to that!

Wow, I think I have been pretty helpful here, for not being a mod and all. Eh, I like to help out.

suicune lover
20th August 2009, 9:47 PM
I picked no, because they're arn't many non-pokemn clubs here. The only ones that spring to mind are the The Gay/Lesbian Alliance Club and.... thats the only one that springs to mind :x

Walcott
20th August 2009, 11:43 PM
Even if there are clubs for like Starter Pokemon and clubs (like my Piplup Line) I wouldn't have to get my club closed because there would be an agreement for clubs just about types, right? That would be ridiculous. Besides, what if my Piplup Line Club was made after before the Starter Pokemon Club, or at least when one had died and a new one was not made until after my club was made? Man, I am shaking right now, at the fact if my Piplup Line Club would have to get closed.

I wasn't specifically saying I want it to happen, just suggesting it ^^; But it would help "get rid of" some unneccisary Clubs that can easily fit in with a different, more broad range of discussion - like how there's a Death Note club, it would make more sense to have a club specifically dedicated to L to be "joined" with the Death Note one. I know that your club discusses solely the Piplup line, I just referenced the SPC for lack of a better example :<


B_A: Thanks for your kind words. <3 It really means a lot after having to mod elsewhere, aka a place where I wasn't appreciated as much, lol. ANYWAYS, it's nice to be in a forum with really great members again. :p

:D I was so excited when you came back, I didn't really know any of the other mods (except for Shadowfaith since she let me discuss bringing the SPC back) and they kept changing ><


A Non-Pokemon Club sub-forum is a great idea! I'll add the idea to the first page, or possibly add a poll of some sort to this thread where members can vote on it. It will also have to be decided upon by the mods, too, so yeah.

And wouldn't Joe have to approve too? >< I've heard from Sandra it can be hard convincing him, though I'm not sure exactly >>;


BA~~

EDIT:


I picked no, because they're arn't many non-pokemn clubs here. The only ones that spring to mind are the The Gay/Lesbian Alliance Club and.... thats the only one that springs to mind :x

Well there's the Death Note, Fire Emblem, Zelda, Bleach, Christian Alliance, Valve, Avatar, Harvest Moon, Sims, Spriting, and Fan Fiction (though Fan Fiction can also be dealing with Pok&#233;mon, so that might not be counted). Btw, those aren't even all of the Non-Pok&#233; ones, they were just on teh first page xD

suicune lover
21st August 2009, 7:59 AM
Well there's the Death Note, Fire Emblem, Zelda, Bleach, Christian Alliance, Valve, Avatar, Harvest Moon, Sims, Spriting, and Fan Fiction (though Fan Fiction can also be dealing with Pok&#233;mon, so that might not be counted). Btw, those aren't even all of the Non-Pok&#233; ones, they were just on teh first page xD

....Oh. What about spriting? Most of the sprites are pokemon, but anyway, I am obviously blind. I'll change to YES then.

Maylu Sakurai
22nd August 2009, 2:59 AM
I think this will be a good idea seperating the non pokemon clubs from the pokemon clubs it cleans the area up and makes it easier to find the regular pokemon fan clubs some peple have to go to page 2 to find the new posts in there club they join or own

Walcott
22nd August 2009, 5:57 AM
Okay, so I was reading the posts before my first one, and came across a few things I should've discussed :x


#2 - Is there any room for improvement here in this forum?
Maybe this is asking too much, but when members join it's nicer to see them reply to topics. XD; It might be a problem to the clubs at that rate though. However, iirc the Eeveelutions Club used to allow members to join the club via PM forms. Anyone who posted a request to join @ thread were immediately exiled from becoming a member. Though, I'm not too sure if that's too harsh. ^^;

It's nicer to see threads reduce the number of off-topic talks as well, even when they're waiting for the new thread to be created. :\ It creates a better image of the club in general imo.

I do like the idea of having PMs sent out, but that seems annoying to have to deal with Owners and Co-Owners. My Co-Owners are usually the ones who approve my members since they post before me, and if a PM was sent to each of us, what if one person responded with yes and the other two said no? I think some people would be confused xD

The SPC used to have a rule that you had one chance to join, and that's it, though I think it was softened to one chance per month. People wanting to join also had to have a certain post count, and needed to post a secret sentence from the rules. I don't know of any other club harder to get in to xD

As for off-topic topics, I think they should be allowed in clubs. I remember the old SPCs had topics like "What classes do you take in school" and "What is your favorite topping on a pizza" - I think they should be fine because honestly it makes members so much more comfortable with each other, and I'm positive those topics helped everyone in the olds SPCs to be awesome friends and be so active all the time.


- Axe the "Pokemon + Evos" Clubs and only allow "____ Type" Clubs from now on. I know some of you, like Torpoleon, have successful pokemon + evos Clubs, so even if we have agreed on this, we still need more input about this from members.

That's a really great idea, and I've actually wondered why it was never a rule before xP Makes less clutter and less clubs that die too quickly.


- Three strike policy with all Clubs. Basically, if any of us have to warn a Club three times for not following the rules, after the third warning/strike, it will be closed, no questions asked. We think this is pretty fair, but what do you guys think?

Though that's a good idea, there are some complications >< Like if it deals with one-liners, and only a select few members are posting them, I don't think the club should get striked (or stricken... I dunno :x). The strikes for clubs should only be handed out if it's more of a group "effort" with what the strike is dealing with.


- Combine the Club Advertisement thread + Club List thread. Instead of just giving a link to your Club, you would be able to give a short description and possibly a banner along with it. That way, we would have no need for an Advertisement thread, and you're still able to advertise your Club in some way. Thoughts?

O.o

Er...

I really hate that, sorry >< I love my list that I manage and keep up to date, and I think it looks great already. Most clubs are pretty self-explanitory with what they're about, and even if someone isn't sure, they can click the link and easily find out by reading the description of the club, which is usually right in the beginning. If I had to add descriptions (yes, I know people would provide them) and possibly a banner, I'd seriously hate the thread; it would remind me way too much of the Fan Fic Catalog that I manage, and that's boring enough when there's a crapload of stuff waiting to be added. Plus, most owners of clubs on my list wouldn't get the memo to go post a description for me to add, and after sending out PMs to over one hundred people for their Fics for the Catalog, it would really be hard and tedious.

But that's obviously my opinion, and if so many people want this idea to merge the two threads, have someone else have the job, as long as I'm given credit for anything they use from my thread. (I know I really sound like an *ss here, but I'm really not thrilled with this idea)


* Also, we need a definition of a one liner to add the FAQ that everyone understands. This one (http://serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?p=10271108#post10271108) is mine, but it might need to be more clear/concise. We really want to make sure you guys understand them so you don't report false things, etc.

Okay, well in my definition, there are three different kinds in the One-Liner family.

First, let's meet father One-Liner;
-He's spamilicious, and hardly has anything to say.
-People have to check on him because they think he's an actual post instead of a few pointless ideas mushed into one line.
-He's also unintelligent, and usually goes very off-topic just so he seems longer (wink wink xD) than he actually is.
-His frequent use of chat speak is often critisized, though he doesn't care and considers it LOLable.

Then there's mother Bump-Liner;
-She is rarely seen, but she has all the same characteristics of her husband.
-The only difference is that she appears when someone is afraid their club is dead, so she rushes in and acts like she belongs.

Their child is known as SPAMOL(stupid pointless anooying message (in a) one-liner);
-He'll say anything just to get attention, or to get something he wants.
-His moderators have to infract him a lot, and once they do he whines about it in yet another SPAMOL.

O.o Sorry, I felt like attempting to soften the mood after my rant about the Club Advertisement idea >< Here's my serious definition of it xD

One-Liner:
-One-liners are simple messages that people post just so they can comment on something someone else posted, or are used when the poster can't think of anything to add and uses the lack of though as an excuse.
-Typically, people posting one-liners are newbies, as they don't know better (they've even read the rules and mention that, they just think nothing of it). Sometimes, you get the "clever" post that goes just beyond one line, usually by a word. Even though it's still counted as a one-liner, the poster thinks "Okay, it's two lines, I'm fine."
-Members that have been around longer know better, and try to digsuise random thoughts or spam into their one-liner, just so it can be over the two lines. Most likely the person begins with "Oh no, this is a one-liner," then they go on about if they keep typing it won't be, and usually end with "this should be enough," or something like that.

Bump-Liner:
-Still along the lines (no pun intended) of a one-liner, these are usually used just as a simply way for someone to bring back an old club, usually because the poster will think people would just overlook the date of when the post before it was posted and will reply.

SPAMOL:
-Same things as a one-liner, though these are usually used as a retaliation in a fued with the intention of keeping things simple so they seem like the person who is "right" in the conversation.
-Another use of a SPAMOL is when someone realizes their fellow club friends haven't mentioned them in a while, and just want some attention, or when they feel like the others aren't really reply to what they say - one-liners do attract attention, and they know this. They even know they will get yelled at/in trouble for it, though as long as they can get attention.

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I could add more, though it's almost one in the morning, and my six month old dog (she's a boxer I picked out, and she's named Roxy after the Rustboro Gym Leader xD My family doesn't know where I got the name from ;P) keeps waking me up early, so I'm tired >< I basially covered everything I had in mind about the three types of one-liners, and just reading what I posted gives you the gist (SP?) of it.


BA~~

Shadow XD001
22nd August 2009, 11:49 AM
Although I voted for no I kind of regret it. A non-Pokemon sub-forum seems good, so I don't know why I voted for no. ><

Anyway, since I have a Zelda Club and if the sub-forum was made, would my club be moved to there?

About the combining the clubs like Charmander Line with Starter Pokemon Club would only be a good idea if the owners want to do that. Especially since my bro (Torpoleon) made his club before the current Starter Pokemon Club, and didn't know of this. (none of us did. o-o)

So, yeah, this is what I think. I know it's not much, but I hope it helps.

Chelc
22nd August 2009, 5:56 PM
@B_A: Wow, long reply! XD Thanks so much for all your input!

I don't mind people going off topic, it doesn't bother me much at all. Really, as long as you're on topic most of the time, it doesn't matter. Clubs are not only for discussion on a certain topic, but a place for people to make friends who have similar interests. I met a lot of my SPPf friends here in this forum, so I can definitely see what you're saying.

Oh, yeah, the combining of the Club Advertisement thread + Clubs List definitely does not have to happen. When it comes down to it, it's what you want to do, since you are the owner of the Clubs List, after all. I was just suggesting it for those who were still interested in the Club Advertisement thread. Sorry about that! ^^;

I agree with you about the one-liners. I think you have come up with some pretty good definitions. What do the rest of you guys think? It's possible that they could be added to the FAQ, with credit of course. ;)

Aww, lol. Hope you get some sleep! :p Thanks again for your input on everything!

@Shadow: Thanks! Don't worry about the poll, it's mostly just a rough idea of what everyone wants. If there's enough votes for yes, I'm going to bring it up to other mods and see if it can go through or not. And yes, your Club would be moved to the Non-Pokemon sub-forum if it were to be made.

Also, another thing that has been brought to my attention. Keep in mind that this is just an idea. It does not have to happen. It was brought up in the past, but everyone shot it down, so it was never brought up again. I'm just wondering what you guys would think about it now.

The idea - Member Clubs.

What is a Member Club? A Club dedicated to a certain member. Any member or maybe one of your friends would be able to create one for you. It would be a fun place for you to chat with others who may have been too shy to talk to you in the past, as well as friends who you may not talk to a whole lot. It's just another way of making friends and maintaining your forum friendships. Plus, it's a total confidence booster for those who feel like they go unnoticed and may not have many friends on the forums. I'm not really sure about them to be honest. Even though we have the VM and PM system, some people are too shy to go on someone's profile and send them a VM or PM, so they may do some good if we were to have them. At the same time, I'm not sure how well they would do here, or if I/anyone else wants them here, lol. Here they are at PokeCommunity. (http://www.pokecommunity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=72) After looking through them, please let me know what you think about them / if they would be a good idea for SPPf. Thanks!

Sonic Boom
22nd August 2009, 9:15 PM
I mentioned this earlier to you, but I think there should be more opinions on the matter as well.

The biggest gripe I see with any kind of Member Club is concerning member attitude. Having a club dedicated to you really sounds like it would inflate your ego and make you do things rashly.

"Hey, you can't do that to me! Who do you think you are? I have my very own club with people that post there a lot! I'm loved, you're not, so kindly stfu and gtfo!"

Just the easiest example, but I'm sure there can be variations.

Another thing would be that there's a chance for one-liners and the like. And the thought that the club could possibly be too much like a Q&A thread, if the namesake of the club is a frequent poster there. Just not much room for discussion and whatnot.

But aside form those two hurdles, if you can find a way to overcome them, I think Member Clubs would be a nice idea. As you said, some members are too shy to post anywhere other than the main boards, so having a club with the same format can help break that barrier for them. As well as acquire new friends, and feel a little more comfortable about expressing your ideas and beliefs, since the people you are responding to are those that have gone out of there way to ask you personally, not like a Misc. discussion board where you can pitch an idea just like that and hope for positive feedback.

Another idea that comes to mind is to group particular people among the board into a club altogether. A Mod Club for example, where members can ask questions about specific mod duties and stuff, instead of pestering them in their profiles and PM boxes. there could also be a General Shippers Club, where people come and ask why these people like to place characters from fictional universes into romantic settings. Just two examples like that, and some others can be made.

What does anyone else think?

Alkaide
25th August 2009, 5:35 AM
I agree that there should be a separate sub-forum for non-Pokemon clubs, that way it will be easier to find and search for clubs, and it would look more organized.

For the member clubs, I think it could be a good idea, but you'd have to take into account who'd be making these clubs. It could turn into complete spam where only the member's current friends post in, and it could turn more into a "social group" sort of thing; but if there are stricter rules and regulations, I think it could work and that it would be a great idea.

Walcott
26th August 2009, 1:25 AM
@B_A: Wow, long reply! XD Thanks so much for all your input!

:) I had lots to say, so I thought it'd be a good idea to say it all xD


I don't mind people going off topic, it doesn't bother me much at all. Really, as long as you're on topic most of the time, it doesn't matter. Clubs are not only for discussion on a certain topic, but a place for people to make friends who have similar interests. I met a lot of my SPPf friends here in this forum, so I can definitely see what you're saying.

Okay, that's good to know. I've been wanting to have more off-topic topics along with ones that are on topic too, though I was worried about getting in trouble for it. I remember the old SPC got yelled at for it, though we hardly ever had any topics that were on the topic of starters :x


Oh, yeah, the combining of the Club Advertisement thread + Clubs List definitely does not have to happen. When it comes down to it, it's what you want to do, since you are the owner of the Clubs List, after all. I was just suggesting it for those who were still interested in the Club Advertisement thread. Sorry about that! ^^;

Haha I'm sorry for getting all ranty about it xD It was just that it seemed too much like the Fan Fic Catalog, and when I have to update that it takes a while because of all the formatting I have to do. But with the Club List I put a strict rules in that entries have to be posted a certain way so I can jsut easily copy and paste ^^;


I agree with you about the one-liners. I think you have come up with some pretty good definitions. What do the rest of you guys think? It's possible that they could be added to the FAQ, with credit of course. ;)

Thank you! I'm assuming the ones that are more along the lines of a definition would be added if better ones aren't though of xD


The idea - Member Clubs.

What is a Member Club? A Club dedicated to a certain member. Any member or maybe one of your friends would be able to create one for you. It would be a fun place for you to chat with others who may have been too shy to talk to you in the past, as well as friends who you may not talk to a whole lot. It's just another way of making friends and maintaining your forum friendships. Plus, it's a total confidence booster for those who feel like they go unnoticed and may not have many friends on the forums. I'm not really sure about them to be honest. Even though we have the VM and PM system, some people are too shy to go on someone's profile and send them a VM or PM, so they may do some good if we were to have them. At the same time, I'm not sure how well they would do here, or if I/anyone else wants them here, lol. Here they are at PokeCommunity. (http://www.pokecommunity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=72) After looking through them, please let me know what you think about them / if they would be a good idea for SPPf. Thanks!

That's sounds a bit... worship-like xD It does sounds like a nice and interesting idea, though maybe you should try a demo kind of thing with it. Like have it for a week and see how things work out, and if it seems like too many people are being crappy with it, just get rid of it >< And just wondering, if Member Clubs are added, would they be in a Non-Pokémon section (assuming they're created) or would they have their own section too? I dunno if it was said during the explanation, since I read your post the day you posted it and never really went back over it ^^;


BA~~

suicune lover
26th August 2009, 12:50 PM
The member's club sounds good, if it doesn't turn into a spam hole. I suggest you put them in another sub-forum, to keep it tidy, and add some strict rules to it aswell.

"Hey, you can't do that to me! Who do you think you are? I have my very own club with people that post there a lot! I'm loved, you're not, so kindly stfu and gtfo!"
Like a rule to make sure no-one does this, and not to think you are better than everyone eles because you have more people in your club.


And, if we do have this sort of club, will we be able to like, post more information about ourselves? Like give a beter personality, any other links to other places we have and other clubs and stuff? Because the little thing in Your Details isn't enough, and some people don't want to spoil their sig by putting it in there.

elyvorg
26th August 2009, 4:37 PM
I can't help but think that splitting up the Pokémon and non-Pokémon clubs would lead to the non-Pokémon clubs becoming largely ignored. BA compared this to the split between Pokémon and non-Pokémon fics in the Fan Fiction section when he proposed the idea, and while it is nice that the different kinds of fics are kept separate over there, the downside is that all of the fics in the non-Pokémon section are extremely overlooked.

I dunno if it would be the same for Clubs, but it seems plausible that a lot of people might only join non-Pokémon clubs in the first place while they're browsing the Clubs forum for Pokémon clubs and happen to notice a club for some other video game/TV show/whatever and think "Ooh, I like that video game/TV show/whatever, I'll check out its club!" Whereas, if the non-Pokémon clubs had a separate sub-forum, people browsing it would have to be specifically thinking about finding a club for a video game/TV show/something else unrelated to Pokémon that they like, which probably isn't a frame of mind that people are likely to be in that often on a Pokémon forum.

(Bear in mind, though, that this opinion is coming from someone whose activity in Clubs is spent largely in a single non-Pokémon club that she owns, so it's probably a little biased. xP)

Walcott
26th August 2009, 8:34 PM
I can't help but think that splitting up the Pok&#233;mon and non-Pok&#233;mon clubs would lead to the non-Pok&#233;mon clubs becoming largely ignored. BA compared this to the split between Pok&#233;mon and non-Pok&#233;mon fics in the Fan Fiction section when he proposed the idea, and while it is nice that the different kinds of fics are kept separate over there, the downside is that all of the fics in the non-Pok&#233;mon section are extremely overlooked.

I was thinking that too, but with so many people already being part of Non-Pok&#233;mon Clubs, I think they would easily follow an extra link to get to where the club they are part of would go. Plus (and this is simply my look on it) the Non-Pok&#233;mon Fics are more overlooked because people like the Pok&#233;mon ones a lot more. And quite honestly, the better writers like to write Pok&#233;mon Fics since they are more "in-tune" with them on a Pok&#233;mon-based forum. Not many people would go to the Fan Fic section looking for a Kingdon Hearts Fic if they signed up for being a big fan of Pok&#233;mon. I see that what I just said is a bit similar to you saying they'd have to specifically search for a Non-Pok&#233;mon Clubs, but with the Club List and (possibly) Club Advertisement threads, they could find them that way too.


I dunno if it would be the same for Clubs, but it seems plausible that a lot of people might only join non-Pok&#233;mon clubs in the first place while they're browsing the Clubs forum for Pok&#233;mon clubs and happen to notice a club for some other video game/TV show/whatever and think "Ooh, I like that video game/TV show/whatever, I'll check out its club!"

But there are some people who do like things other then Pok&#233;mon and look around to see if they can find a club related to that. The only difference (like I said before) is that they'd have to click on an extra link to get there ^^;

(I feel bad you have to deal with such a split-opinion discussion Chelc ><)


BA~~

Chelc
26th August 2009, 8:49 PM
Lol don't worry guys, I know it's pretty hard deciding on such a thing, because there are many pros and cons to having a Non-Pokemon Clubs sub-forum. ^^; While I think it would be cool, at the same time, I'm wondering if it will be active as well. A Non-Pokemon Shipping Forum was recently added to Shippers Community this year, and it's not very active at all. I really wouldn't want the same thing to happen with Clubs. =[

I'm glad you're all pretty positive about Member Clubs. Yes, I think there would have to be a separate sub-forum for them, because things could get confusing if they were to stay in the regular Clubs forum or whatnot. And yes, there would have to be an entirely separate set of rules for them, and they would have to be watched over closely. If anything, if we decide not to have a Non-Pokemon sub-forum, it might be cool to have a sub-forum for Member Clubs, though I'm still unsure about it, just like everything else, lol. ^^: suicune lover, yes, you could give the owner of your Club a detailed bio of some sort to put on the first page. :)

Thanks again to all of you for your input! You're all giving me a lot more things to think about, which does make me even more confused, but it's a good thing that you're making me think about all the options we'd have. :p

Sonic Boom
29th August 2009, 8:03 PM
A Non-Pokemon Shipping Forum was recently added to Shippers Community this year, and it's not very active at all.

Yet was the talk of the town as soon as it was put up. I admit, I got pretty annoyed when every MSN chat had talk about another anime for two hours straight when the new section was put up ^^;;

The most active club I've seen here is not a Pokemon Club, but the Gay/Lesbian Alliance Club, so I don't think there's going to be any problem with a separate branch of Clubs staying active.

As for Member Clubs, when/if you decide to start one up, how will you test to see if it is a good thing and will prove it can prevent spam and bolstering egos? Will you make a Club of a very well known member that has proven to be humble on every occasion, or will you make a Club for a collective group of people, or what?

Yeti
30th August 2009, 1:17 AM
Yet was the talk of the town as soon as it was put up.
Yeah people fapped to that section the first week or so it was made, but there isn't a single thread with 4 pages, maybe not even 3.
It was a highly-desired section but in the end it's a ghost sub-forum. The only difference between having non-Pokemon ships in the main shipping forum instead of their own sub-forum is they remain on the first page, idle and neglected as ever, instead of sinking beneath threads that actually receive attention.
Non-Pokemon clubs here are either popular enough to maintain their noticable positions and would overpower in a sub-forum or are sorely neglected and sink into the pits of postlessness. The same thing would happen in their own sub-forum, you'd just see dead threads beneath the few that were active.
If there isn't interest in the thread, there isn't interest lol.
So I voted 'no' for the sub-forum seeing as it'll just be threads that do fine here and threads that will never prosper sitting on the first page of a dead section instead of the last page of an active section.

I agree fully with Member Clubs that is an excellent idea o3o but they would need their own subforum so as not to spam up the main clubs that have actual, non-person themes. You wouldn't want to be digging for your favorite club only to have 10 clubs dedicated to different people on top of it would you? D;
Since they're not really in line with the typical clubs found in this section a sub-forum for them, in the case they're implemented, would be necessary.

My thoughts on the matter o3o

darklord18
30th August 2009, 3:43 AM
I for the sub area for other clubs. True I only have some club that are pokemon (mainly the Tag partner club) but there are club like the Fire emblem or Zelda club that are to hard to find unless you know someone from the club.

not only that it can get member, the Megaman club die because there were only two people join it (me being one to join).

For the member club sure, but what about people who don't want a club for them? those that like staying in the background? there should be a system were...

Let say if I made a club for someone I look up to, but that person doesn't want a club, that could turn the friendship sourer and break. But I do have a idea, how about people who don't want a club, if there a good reason why like "I was bash and etc at another forum" them all member club made for them will be close while reason like "I don't want one" or "I don't post in the club area" will be reject and people be allow to make a club.

though Member club I for, I have some people I would gladly make club for.

also I have a idea for some club.

how about have tournament and competition like for let say

Fire emblem= come up with a banner competition?
Tag partners club = Come up with a fic and post it on Fanfiction.com competition?
Eeveeloution club (sorry for bad spelling.) a Wifi tournament were only Eevee line can be use in it?

like Fan art, people can just use make fan art and host it on a image site and either post it in the club while answering the topic or PM it the owner or Co owner who then pick.

Fan fiction. well poeple can use Fanfiction.com to put there fics and then post the link or PM it the owner or Co owner. or if the fic mod don't mind they can post it in the fic area. there got to be limit this but I think of them later.

Wifi well depend on what game. but you get the picture.

there don't have to be prize. I pretty sure poeple will enter something about their favorite club.

hope this is okay.

Kiori
1st September 2009, 2:17 AM
Non-Pokemon sub-section - I'm not sure how well it may work out, but if it's to put the list in an organized form, I can suggest a directory for pokemon and non-pokemon list since the one we have now is mixed with both. I won't mind being the one going through with the sortings/dividing them into their respective sections, however, it depends if people/staff agrees and if the owner of the list of clubs thread agrees as well. ^^; This is just in case the sub-forum doesn't work out in the end.

Member FCs - I'm not sure how well this can work out either. I can see how people can get egoistical over it, but there's still some ground rules that can be applied . . . possibly. I agree with the PC forum example of how if the member doesn't wish to have a FC thread dedicated to them, people should respect their decision and not create one. If need to be, may be we can put them in a list somewhere? Again, I'm still not sure but I'm not against it. XD;

One-liners - I agree that sometimes you can't help but to put a one-liner. I'm not sure if it works well if you can add something more to the post like posting a pic. For example, say you're in the water pokemon club and you only have one thing to say. However, it ends up being a one-liner and you happen to have an illustration pic that you can upload and post. I'm aware that pics may not work for every single club but maybe something else can work? Though, I do quite see how sometimes you are only able to say one-liners like when you're helping out others in the club when they're asking some related club question. I agree with making a FAQ about it. XD; *runs*

Off topic discussions - Well as long as it doesn't last for pages upon pages, then I guess it's fine since it is quite hard to be on topic all the time. Though VM and PM can work too. ;;

As for club competition stuffs, I think club owners and/or co-owners can discuss it with their own members? I don't think it'd be off topic if you discuss possible contests for the club inside the club thread itself but I'm not sure how the other staffs feel. ^^;

Alkaide
2nd September 2009, 1:02 AM
or will you make a Club for a collective group of people, or what?

The way I see it, if there's a club for a whole group of people, the only people joining it will be that group of people. And that will turn into a war of "my group of friends is better than yours; hey you're just copying my friends and me; well I don't care 'cause my friends are cooler" kind of thing. Plus, if you want to become friends with a specific member of the forums, approaching them in a group wouldn't be the best sort of thing. I think that if it's just for a single member (and as long as someone vouches to make a club for them) then it would be better, so that you could easily meet that one person.

At the same time, though, if someone wants to meet others and doesn't have any friends to make them a club, then something else would have to be arranged, right?

edit: Also, let's say I wanted to create a Pokemon-Line club. I know you guys are thinking of not allowing those, but if the club is started before the rule is put into effect, will that be okay? As much as I want to make a Snubbul/Granbull club or a Smoochum/Jynx club, I won't, because I know that it would die because they're not common enough, but something like a Drifloon/Drifblim club I'm sure would be pretty popular.

Chelc
7th September 2009, 11:50 PM
BUMP. 8D

I start school and stuff tomorrow guys so it'd be great to get some more opinions on everything. :P I've noticed this thread is kind of dead, so if you have anymore input, please post it here as soon as you can!

If not, I'll take what we have here and show the rest of the staff and see what they think.

Torpoleon
12th September 2009, 3:05 PM
I was just thinking that it might be a good idea for the Club mods to notify someone if the persons club was disapproved. Obviously the member can know if it is approved, but, a mod can tell them if it is disapproved. It would prevent members from asking club mods if their club got accepted because I don't know if any mod has looked at the HGSS club I submitted like 2 nights ago.Just thought this would be helpful!