Don't I know you from somewhere?

[SoulSilverMstr411]

I just read on Serebii.net that the Johto Battle Frontier is identicall to the one in Sinnoh. But why is this? Is it because Game Freak wanted players who bought Diamond or Pearl to experiance the Sinnoh Battle Frontier without having to buy Platinum? Or is it just laziness?

I for one am a little dissapointed. I wanted a whole new BF, not one recycled from Platinum! But will this news spoil the game for you? Or are you just happy you're getting the same Battle Frontier experiance as those who bought Platinum?

On a side note, do you think I use too many question marks???

[yanmegy423]

They are using the same BF so there is more room for better plots, pokemon and new features like Pokethlon etc.

[Pokemon-Dratini]

im ok with the same bf, platinums bf is awesome and besides wat the other person said is basically he reason why they r using the same bf

[Snowyarticuno]

It adds more communication options to Platinum. Now Plat owners can team up with HG or SS owners and go through the BF together

[Chaos Rush]

They are using the same BF so there is more room for better plots, pokemon and new features like Pokethlon etc.
That's a bunch of bullsh*t.

There keeping the same Battle Frontier for 2 reasons:
1. It will obviously be compatible with Platinum, so Pt and HG/SS could do BF together
2. They're too lazy to add HG/SS exclusive facilities.


IMO, they should've added to it... the Battle Frontier in Platinum is nothing compared to Emerald's. Emerald actually had unique facilities. All 5 of Platinum's facilities are basically the same, and not only that, but Emerald had more...

[Edge Master]

well i kinda wish it was a different one but platinums was pretty fun so im not going to complain but i agree with snowyarticuno about linking to platinum that would be awesome
but at least they wont have to waste development time making new facilities and we'll get the game a little soonerbut i just want a change in frontier brains but thats me :)

[a person]

They are using the same BF so there is more room for better plots, pokemon and new features like Pokethlon etc.

How, exactly, would a different Frontier take up more room?

It's really just what Snowyarticuno said, but I'm sure we'll waste 30-50 pages discussing it needlessly to further length.

[Mario with Lasers]

I wasn't even expecting to see a Frontier in Johto so heh, "who cares" if it's like Platinum's.

[pichu_power]

I don't have Platinum, so having a frontier just like that from Platinum onto HG/SS would be really cool to those who chose to opt out of Platinum and stick to DP...

[Waterpokes]

I wanted something new. Like from Emerald. Tucker's and Greta's was the best!
If they replace Castle, I will be fine, because I don't see the point of it and it's boring.
But something is in my mind, do you think that they will recycle the Frontier Brains from Platinium and add them here?

Because, this timeline I've heard about, have Johto and Sinnoh in the same timeline.

[HookShot]

I'd imagine that it's the same as Platinum's to add to the compatibility between the games. Nothing more, nothing less.
I didn't expect a Frontier in Johto to begin with so personally, I don't really care whether it's different or not. I see it as a nice little bouns.

[Foxtrek]

Well, if they're reusing the battle frontier for compatibility reasons then they'll likely reuse the same brains

[Torpoleon]

Oh, so HGSS's Battle Frontier is identical to the one in Platinum! That seems pretty cool. I think they did not change any facilities because maybe they did not want to. It would be cool if they added at least 2 more. But, isn't the only facility we know that is in the game the Battle Hall, from the pictures, trailers and all that?

[the elite trainer]

Aren't the time lines very close?

[Snowyarticuno]

Well, if they're reusing the battle frontier for compatibility reasons then they'll likely reuse the same brains

Actually, it seems that the co-op frontier can't fight the brains?
At least, that's what I've heard.

[hol123]

I hope there is more facilities.

[Meganium Ex]

Reusing the old Battle Frontier is killing two birds with one stone. Development time can be used to add to and improve other aspects of the game, while a post-endgame sidequest can still be included. This also maintains compatibility with Platinum, and allows those who didn't purchase it to experience the Battle Frontier.

Carrying over the old frontier was the most logical option. Be content with the fact we get one in the first place.

[glowing_light010]

I'm happy we even got a BF for HG/SS. FR/LG didn't have one, so it's definitely an upgrade
& it gives us more things to do in the games.

[AhTreyYou]

There shoving so much into this game. I guess they don't want people to get bored and finished it in a week. Seriously. Two Regions PLUS the battle frontier.

[Billy--]

There shoving so much into this game. I guess they don't want people to get bored and finished it in a week. Seriously. Two Regions PLUS the battle frontier.

I have to agree with you actually..This is going to be a pretty big game to complete, and I'm not even upset if they re-use the old Frontier Brains, I liked some of them, BUT it will be hard for Palmer to explain why he just picked up and left his kid and wife in the Sinnoh region, and came to Johto. I think they might make new Frontier Brains, but keep the old Frontier.

[DryBones]

I never even used the BF in D/P/Pt so I'm not exactly annoyed it's stayed the same.

[~Spacial_Rendation~]

Connectivity to Platinum.

I also think that Every Generation has It's own BF.

[yanmegy423]

Reusing the old Battle Frontier is killing two birds with one stone. Development time can be used to add to and improve other aspects of the game, while a post-endgame sidequest can still be included. This also maintains compatibility with Platinum, and allows those who didn't purchase it to experience the Battle Frontier.

Carrying over the old frontier was the most logical option. Be content with the fact we get one in the first place.

I was tryining to say that but i think i misused the word more and space...
They would have different Brains...

[Zalman]

I'm just happy there IS a Battle Frontier. Wasn't expecting it, so I am very happy that it's in there. I don't care if it's the same as Platinums. People should be happy. It's an EXTRA feature.

[Shadow Eeveelution]

How can I can't find the page containing this info

[smartie]

I didn't expect a Battle Frontier in Johto, so it doesn't matter. But something different, would have been fun.

[Arceus, The Original One]

Many of you are saying that the one in Emerald is better, but what would you do if they included Emerald's Battle Frontier, then in the Gen V remakes of Ruby and Sapphire, (which aren't comfirmed, complete speculation on my part) they used the same Battle Frontier?

[Shadow Eeveelution]

Can someone get me the source of this info..I seems to not find this source

[Hakumei]

Like some other forumers stated, I did not even expected A Battle Frontier in this game. Who cares if its the same. ;292;

[Shadow Eeveelution]

I can only find these (http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/introduction/other02.html) but that only prove it have the same overworld sprite

[kiogrey]

At least we have a Battle Frontier, but if they do use a different one, they'd probably had to make new Frontier Brains, which is too much in one generation.

[Arceus, The Original One]

I can only find these (http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/introduction/other02.html) but that only prove it have the same overworld sprite

The Battle Frontier is staying the same, and it was proved in Coro Coro, and it showed inside the Battle Hall, what more proof do you need?

[Shadow Eeveelution]

...still...they could change a bit the poke the brains used or that the BF is a mark to Johto and Sinnoh ..that could make it logic for kanto poke to be shipped to sinnoh

[Wulava]

...still...they could change a bit the poke the brains used or that the BF is a mark to Johto and Sinnoh ..that could make it logic for kanto poke to be shipped to sinnoh

We've already discussed this last month.

For all we know, what's only confirmed is that the main Frontier is the same (in terms of architecture and interior). The Frontier Front is obviously different. Also, it is still unconfirmed if the Brains will be different (of course, it will and it should).

[Shadow Eeveelution]

..,,,That why I was confuse...they all claimed that the brains are the same

[Wulava]

..,,,That why I was confuse...they all claimed that the brains are the same

Who claimed it?

[Shadow Eeveelution]

Who claimed it?

Not claim directly..but looks by the way they discuss on the other page.....

It made belief the brains are the same

[kemal07]

The change of Frontier brains i think we'll be similar to the story of how Lorelei and Agatha are not E4 members anymore so perhaps like 3 or 2 of the brains will be replaced somehow
Although i have no idea on how this will interlink with the anime as they match with each other when based around important characters like gymleaders/e4/champion/frontierbrains

[Suerte17]

Never having played Platinum, my feelings on the matter are neutral. It's nice to have a lot to do in one game. It makes HGSS one of the most unique Pokemon games.

[Kratos The Pokemon master]

i think that it would be good,and we will be able to link with platinum now that would be cool.
but i guess that they should change the frotier brains.
i mean imagne Palmer in sinnoh,he's barry's father i don't think that's possible.

[Waterpokes]

Well, they have Battle Tower and Battle Factory in Platinium, so they could change those two or maybe onle Factory, since Tower is sort of in every game, with Pyramid or Arena? And if Palmer is here too, and Johto and Sinnoh is in the same time line, doesn't that make total chaos. If not somebody clones people too.

[Spirit of Darkness]

The frontier in Platinum is nice so it doesn't matter if it is the same in HG/SS, however, I wish they change the Brains as it would be impossible to have the same Brains in different places!

[Shadow XD001]

This was probably to have there be less production into the game and they can add in something they have had in a previous game. If the creators wanted to make a WHOLE NEW BF then that would take awhile and the release date would probably be later.

Think about it. First they have to brainstorm their ideas, then they have to put it into action and thus could take awhile.

[lindsy95]

I cant help but wonder if they were lazy, but I dont use it, so I shouldnt complain.

[Magmar Master]

I'm delighted. :)

I've never had a game with a battle frontier before so I'm happy that there is a battle frontier at all.

[StrongBad456]

I cant help but wonder if they were lazy, but I dont use it, so I shouldnt complain.

I definitely wouldn't call them lazy. They're remaking the games and putting lots of brand new things in. Reusing like 2 things(BF and GTS) from Platinum doesn't make them lazy.

[Skirgedot]

Everyone a little bit intruded into competitive battling, which by the way is what Pokémon is all about, and not some sprites following you around or some silly features returning like apricorns, should feel incredibly sad and emotionally overwhelmedly disturbed because they're returning with a BF which many of us haven't even completed yet.

Some of you are like "Hey, they have put seven billion features in these games, BF is something no one cares."

WRONG! BF is, like, the core of the games for many people, and not having the possibility of new facilities is like the ruin of a life for many fans out there. Go to the Smogon forums. They're not discussing if the name of the girl is Soul or Heart or crying for some useless balls return. They're discussing the Gym rosters, the new move tutors, and the fact that they were so lazy to not even include a freshy frontier.

[RukarioX]

I have to say I am very disappointed with this. I was anticipating a whole new frontier, Jhoto-style. If they are going to mimic a previous BF, mimic emeralds, oh wait, thats too difficult.

[Awaibou]

I believe that the Frontier will have the same brains as D/P/Pt, but they will have different rosters. They would include Pokemon from the 1st and 2nd generations rather than newer ones. I mean, if there was going to be a new set of brains, wouldn't GF drop a little teaser already with the revealing of a Frontier? They could surprise us, but my opinion is that it is very unlikely.

[Lugiaisbeast]

I, quite frankly am simply happy Game Freak put a bf in the game. this will undoubtedly be the most epic pokémon game ever, two regions, a legendary count to match sinnoh, and a battle frontier!

[DarkPrince]

I don't see any problem in this :D
I didn't like DPPt very much after the E4 so I left playing it.
I also never played the BF in DPPt.
So I guess I will play it in HGSS.
Besides,they just won't copy paste the whole thing from DPPt to HGSS right?

I am 100 % sure that there will be some new stuff ;)

[Shadow Gamer]

I'm cool with it, especially since I didn't purchase Platinum yet.

[megaman12]

Im not surprized they made the same BF.These games already have lots of features that no other game had and we were lucky to have BF.We all want a new one but we cant always get what we want.Gamefreak worked alot on these games and they probably couldnt think of BF ideas(what other ways of battling are threre?)so we should just let it go.If you dont like it dont play it!But you nver know,gamefreak might surprise us!

[~Spacial_Rendation~]

Everyone a little bit intruded into competitive battling, which by the way is what Pokémon is all about, and not some sprites following you around or some silly features returning like apricorns, should feel incredibly sad and emotionally overwhelmedly disturbed because they're returning with a BF which many of us haven't even completed yet.

Some of you are like "Hey, they have put seven billion features in these games, BF is something no one cares."

WRONG! BF is, like, the core of the games for many people, and not having the possibility of new facilities is like the ruin of a life for many fans out there. Go to the Smogon forums. They're not discussing if the name of the girl is Soul or Heart or crying for some useless balls return. They're discussing the Gym rosters, the new move tutors, and the fact that they were so lazy to not even include a freshy frontier.
We are discussing that too. You just see Idiots create topics like "What is the New Girls name?" Also, I couldn't give a Raticate's arse about Comp battling.

[D*N]

Many of you are saying that the one in Emerald is better, but what would you do if they included Emerald's Battle Frontier, then in the Gen V remakes of Ruby and Sapphire, (which aren't comfirmed, complete speculation on my part) they used the same Battle Frontier?

I would like that :)
I love the battle pike and battle dome

[TurtwigFan1]

Like Snowyarticuno and a million others said, for compatibility reasons. We can team up with our peeps from Sinnoh and conquer the Frontier together. But what bugs me is that people are complaining. Two regions, loads of new features and a Battle Frontier. But you're still not happy.

[waterballoon]

I actually don't care. But, it really is for connectivity for Platinum, and it's just gonna be easier on them... sheesh sometimes the overexpectations get creepy...

[Sand Alchemist]

Meh, I loved a lot more the Battle Frontier of Emerald, so I´m a little dissapointed.

[Skirgedot]

Like Snowyarticuno and a million others said, for compatibility reasons. We can team up with our peeps from Sinnoh and conquer the Frontier together. But what bugs me is that people are complaining. Two regions, loads of new features and a Battle Frontier. But you're still not happy.

Two regions, loads of new features. Period. No Battle Frontier. We already got it in Platinum, so in no way it is new at all. It should be a completely new one, but the guys at Gamfreak are too lazy to do so.

[piewhichilike]

Two regions, loads of new features. Period. No Battle Frontier. We already got it in Platinum, so in no way it is new at all. It should be a completely new one, but the guys at Gamfreak are too lazy to do so.

Well, I wouldn't exactly say that. From the looks of some pictures, I think it's going to be pretty good! I mean, OK, there is no new battle frontier, but there is that chance of new frontier brains/rosters.

[weavile33]

I think it would've been cooler if they remade emeralds BF - which just owns platinums imo. or just to have an new frontier altogether. still im not annoyed or nething - platinum's frontier is still pretty good and is a lot better than not having 1 at all.

[Porygandrew]

Two regions, loads of new features. Period. No Battle Frontier. We already got it in Platinum, so in no way it is new at all. It should be a completely new one, but the guys at Gamfreak are too lazy to do so.

So... you're saying that the only way people can play the Battle Frontier in games is if they have that one specific game? How is it fair that you have to buy Platinum, only, if you want to partake in those events and do co-op modes with a friend, but you can buy either HG or SS and play with a friend (who might have the other version, by the way) on the BF.

The reason why the Platinum BF is included in HG SS is so that those three games can all link up to the same BF.

[onew]

How can you call them lazy? They've done a lot of hard work in remaking Gold and Silver. Yeah, the Battle Frontier isn't new, but when you get right down to it they didn't have to put it in in the first place. I'm just gald that there is one.

[Arceus, The Original One]

So... you're saying that the only way people can play the Battle Frontier in games is if they have that one specific game? How is it fair that you have to buy Platinum, only, if you want to partake in those events and do co-op modes with a friend, but you can buy either HG or SS and play with a friend (who might have the other version, by the way) on the BF.

The reason why the Platinum BF is included in HG SS is so that those three games can all link up to the same BF.

Well I am truly sorry, but you didn't see Emerald's Battle Frontier in FR/LG did you?

Exactly, so we maybe lucky in all, but a simple Battle Tower would have sufficed instead of the recycled Frontier.

[talala]

for all we know they're the same buildings with completely new battle styles inside, they could be just lazy in exterior design, we haven't seen anything involving how they battle in there or any of the frontier brains >.>

[Empoleon-Dynamite]

I think they should keep the staple facilities for connectivity with Platinum, but add a few more facilities similar to those in Emerald that are exclusive to HGSS. For all we know there'll be a complete lower floor with three or four more facilities that wouldn't be visable from an aerial view. That would be awesome XD

[Meganium Ex]

Two regions, loads of new features. Period. No Battle Frontier. We already got it in Platinum, so in no way it is new at all. It should be a completely new one, but the guys at Gamfreak are too lazy to do so.

Exactly, so we maybe lucky in all, but a simple Battle Tower would have sufficed instead of the recycled Frontier.

You guys are funny.

Reusing the old Battle Frontier is killing two birds with one stone. Development time can be used to add to and improve other aspects of the game, while a post-endgame sidequest can still be included. This also maintains compatibility with Platinum, and allows those who didn't purchase it to experience the Battle Frontier.

Carrying over the old frontier was the most logical option. Be content with the fact we get one in the first place.

And Skirgedot? Shut the f*ck up. Everyone is sick of your f*cking whining.

[Carlisle]

You're another one of those idiots who like to spend time discussing if the girls name is Heart or Soul? Yeah, I knew it. Fortunately I don't waste my time with useless stuff. I prefer to whine over things I think are wrong, things that actually are what Pokémon is all about. Smart people play Pokémon with competivity purposes. Smart people actually don't stop fighting for what they want and are insatisfacted by nature. Obvsiously you don't belong to that category. You'd rather tell someone who you don't even know to shut the f*ck up without any reason.

Also in case you haven't noticed yet, I don't give a f`*ck if everyone is sick of my whining.
But we would appreciate it if you go away, because all you do is whine and complain and act like a total pessimist.

People, grow up. This is a game for CHILDREN. In their eyes, the games are perfect, and that's all that matters. Be glad we even got a Battle Frontier, instead of a Battle Tower, or even worse - that horrible Trainer Tower in FRLG.

[Skirgedot]

But we would appreciate it if you go away, because all you do is whine and complain and act like a total pessismist.

People, grow up. This is a game for CHILDREN. In their eyes, the games are perfect, and that's all that matters. Be glad we even got a Battle Frontier, instead of a Battle Tower, or even worse - that horrible Trainer Tower in FRLG.

This is a forum, I'm sorry to tell you. Things here work with whinings, complains, divergency opinions and lots of useless discussions. It wouldn't matter if I go away, you would still see hundreds of other members around being pessimist and complaining. Usually about the girls name, or the location of some stupid building. I'm complaining about the metagame and how it won't change in these games. It might be a surprise to you and meganiumwhatever, but it actually matters for some people.

[Meganium Ex]

You're another one of those idiots who like to spend time discussing if the girls name is Heart or Soul? Yeah, I knew it.

No. Haha, you're not even close.

Fortunately I don't waste my time with useless stuff.

Huh-uh. Yeah. You keep telling yourself that.

I prefer to whine over things I think are wrong, things that actually are what Pokémon is all about. Smart people play Pokémon with competivity purposes.

Smart people have a life and don't waste countless hours EV training or playing on Shoddy.

Smart people actually don't stop fighting for what they want and are insatisfacted by nature. Obvsiously you don't belong to that category. You'd rather tell someone who you don't even know to shut the f*ck up without any reason.

Also in case you haven't noticed yet, I don't give a f`*ck if everyone is sick of my whining.

Perhaps you didn't hear me. Shut the f*ck up. You don't care if everyone is sick of you? Then why are you even here? Why not do something beneficial with your spare time instead of nagging on every little f*cking thing?

[Skirgedot]

Wow mate, you're really depressed here. It may the number of posts, that's common around here. Whoever has more than 3000 posts seems like he have to act like a jerk to keep moving. Kinda sad, really. Go play with your dolls and let me keep discussing and complaining how lazy Gamefreak was to not even have the work to create a simple new facility in what it's now commonly called the Johto Battle Frontier, alright? :)

[Carlisle]

Wow mate, you're really depressed here. It may the number of posts, that's common around here. Whoever has more than 3000 posts seems like he have to act like a jerk to keep moving. Kinda sad, really. Go play with your dolls and let me keep discussing and complaining how lazy Gamefreak was to not even have the work to create a simple new facility in what it's now commonly called the Johto Battle Frontier, alright? :)
You're the one who sits on a forum whining about a children's game acting as if GameFreak should have called you on the telephone to consult you on every issue.

GameFreak isn't lazy. They've poured a massive amount of effort into these games. Wow, boohoo, the Battle Frontier is the same. That automatically makes GameFreak lazy. These games are more than likely going to be rated as the best games so far in the franchise, and yet people find a reason to complain about the smallest things. Sure, I can understand if people complain if...lets say they decide to keep the low levels or the poor gym rosters, or the lack of a Kanto plot. But there's no reason to believe that they will keep any of the old mistakes that were in GSC.

[ijea4444]

You're another one of those idiots who like to spend time discussing if the girls name is Heart or Soul? Yeah, I knew it. Fortunately I don't waste my time with useless stuff. I prefer to whine over things I think are wrong, things that actually are what Pokémon is all about. Smart people play Pokémon with competivity purposes. Smart people actually don't stop fighting for what they want and are insatisfacted by nature. Obvsiously you don't belong to that category. You'd rather tell someone who you don't even know to shut the f*ck up without any reason.

Also in case you haven't noticed yet, I don't give a f`*ck if everyone is sick of my whining.

Do not bring other topics up. So what if Megainum Ex fought over Soul's name? It hasn't been confirmed and is a vital piece of information when discussing HGSS considering she is a main character. And bringing that up is changing the subject. People only change the subject when they are cornered and have nothing else to say. And the bolded statement this is also a sign of lack of defense. When someone knows their wrong they start lying or in this case conjuring magical occurences. Meganum did have a reson to tell you that. You are causing other users to get irritated when they shouldn't be irritated at all. Whining over OPTIONAL sections of a game is just plain hatred to a game. If you don't have to do it then don't do it. Just ignore that it even exists as most as possible rather than whining at it to people who have no control over it.


The thread's actual discussion

I personally am ok with this battle frontier *as long as* we get new brains. Not only because it will feel loopholeish but also seem cheap.


Imo the main puropse of this BF(*for me*) will be for move tutor moves. Since it is obvious they aren't looking to make more than 1 new BF a gen we could either have a plain old boring BT to gain mass amounts of BP. Or we could have a familiar although what seems as a redundant BF, where once bored with one facility can go to another facility to rack up BP. I would have much rather perferred a new BF or even a cut + update+ paste of Hoenn BF.

Still the BF hardly phases me because I'm still so happy Apricorn balls are back lol.

EDIT: GF has been planning, producing, one zero'ing this game for almost 4 years and you call them lazy, that my friend is considered ignorance.

[Mario with Lasers]

Well I am truly sorry, but you didn't see Emerald's Battle Frontier in FR/LG did you?

FRLG didn't have Emerald Frontier because, well, Emerald came AFTER FRLG? And because FRLG are really closer to RBY than HGSS is to GSC so, even if they had the whole Emerald Frontier done, they might have decided not to add it because "it'd not be like RBY that way!!!!"?

Exactly, so we maybe lucky in all, but a simple Battle Tower would have sufficed instead of the recycled Frontier.

Ok, are you SERIOUSLY telling me you'd rather have a Battle Tower, a facility that exists since CRYSTAL, instead of having a Frontier that is at most one year old and also has the Battle Tower? Seriously?

Smart people actually don't stop fighting for what they want and are insatisfacted by nature.

That's cool and all, but even if Masuda was a member of Serebiiforums, complaining/fighting here wouldn't change the fact that the Frontier is the same of Platinum, possibly because they now want to make the Frontiers the same for every generation. So, if 5th Gen has a RSE remake, then I guess the equivalent of Platinum will have Emerald's Frontier? I'm sure no one will complain by then.

Fortunately I don't waste my time with useless stuff.

Didn't we discussed (or "had a friendly chat", at least) about the Apricorn Balls being useful/useless? Isn't it completely not related to competitive battling at all?

[Skirgedot]

Didn't we discussed (or "had a friendly chat", at least) about the Apricorn Balls being useful/useless? Isn't it completely not related to competitive battling at all?

Hey, thank you for reminding me. It was actually a waste of time. I'll live from now on with a weight in my head of how much time I lost by trying to convince someone of how useless the new balls are. :\

GameFreak isn't lazy. They've poured a massive amount of effort into these games. Wow, boohoo, the Battle Frontier is the same. That automatically makes GameFreak lazy. These games are more than likely going to be rated as the best games so far in the franchise, and yet people find a reason to complain about the smallest things. Sure, I can understand if people complain if...lets say they decide to keep the low levels or the poor gym rosters, or the lack of a Kanto plot. But there's no reason to believe that they will keep any of the old mistakes that were in GSC.

I told once (or twice) and I'll tell you again. I prefer to stay pessimist until the real discovery. If they changed all the things you said that there's no reason to keep the same, I'll get over and be sorry for how much I doubted their efforts. At the other side, if they end up not changing at all, I'll not be surprised, like, say, the rest of the forum who keep being optimistic thinking these games are tha shet will. That's how I face things through life. Always ready for disappointment.

EDIT: GF has been planning, producing, one zero'ing this game for almost 4 years and you call them lazy, that my friend is considered ignorance.

One of my main wants for this games was the changings in metagame. Metagame. Competition. Smogon. EV training. Movepools. Facilities. All the words some unhappy folks like to think they're stuff of people with no lives. Some of you (or the rest of you) wanted the apricorns, others wanted Kanto, others wanted some old unused thing I can't even remember. And you've got it, you don't have a reason to complain. Well, I have, because for what I'm seeing, there won't be any new things besides new Move Tutors.

I believe that this is so f*cking hard to understand, because I also wasn't able to understand what was all that fuzz for the kurt balls or Kanto return.

Also Meganium, you just shut the f*ck up. IIRC, you were the first guy to deny the coming of these games because a stupid part of yours was telling you that these games would never be a reality, even with, what, ten trillion evidences at your front. That was annoying to me. :)

[Piplup~Luver]

Hey, thank you for reminding me. It was actually a waste of time. I'll live from now on with a weight in my head of how much time I lost by trying to convince someone of how useless the new balls are. :\



I told once (or twice) and I'll tell you again. I prefer to stay pessimist until the real discovery. If they changed all the things you said that there's no reason to keep the same, I'll get over and be sorry for how much I doubted their efforts. At the other side, if they end up not changing at all, I'll not be surprised, like, say, the rest of the forum who keep being optimistic thinking these games are tha shet will. That's how I face things through life. Always ready for disappointment.



One of my main wants for this games was the changings in metagame. Metagame. Competition. Smogon. EV training. Movepools. Facilities. All the words some unhappy folks like to think they're stuff of people with no lives. Some of you (or the rest of you) wanted the apricorns, others wanted Kanto, others wanted some old unused thing I can't even remember. And you've got it, you don't have a reason to complain. Well, I have, because for what I'm seeing, there won't be any new things besides new Move Tutors.

I believe that this is so f*cking hard to understand, because I also wasn't able to understand what was all that fuzz for the kurt balls or Kanto return.

Also Meganium, you just shut the f*ck up. IIRC, you were the first guy to deny the coming of these games because a stupid part of yours was telling you that these games would never be a reality, even with, what, ten trillion evidences at your front. That was annoying to me. :)


I kind of agree with this post. Kurt's pokeballs are useless but they are there for nostalgia (I guess...). I wanted Kanto in so I cant complain about that...however, I dont expect it to be as awesome as people hope it will be.

[Carlisle]

Hey, thank you for reminding me. It was actually a waste of time. I'll live from now on with a weight in my head of how much time I lost by trying to convince someone of how useless the new balls are. :\



I told once (or twice) and I'll tell you again. I prefer to stay pessimist until the real discovery. If they changed all the things you said that there's no reason to keep the same, I'll get over and be sorry for how much I doubted their efforts. At the other side, if they end up not changing at all, I'll not be surprised, like, say, the rest of the forum who keep being optimistic thinking these games are tha shet will. That's how I face things through life. Always ready for disappointment.



One of my main wants for this games was the changings in metagame. Metagame. Competition. Smogon. EV training. Movepools. Facilities. All the words some unhappy folks like to think they're stuff of people with no lives. Some of you (or the rest of you) wanted the apricorns, others wanted Kanto, others wanted some old unused thing I can't even remember. And you've got it, you don't have a reason to complain. Well, I have, because for what I'm seeing, there won't be any new things besides new Move Tutors.

I believe that this is so f*cking hard to understand, because I also wasn't able to understand what was all that fuzz for the kurt balls or Kanto return.

Also Meganium, you just shut the f*ck up. IIRC, you were the first guy to deny the coming of these games because a stupid part of yours was telling you that these games would never be a reality, even with, what, ten trillion evidences at your front. That was annoying to me. :)
We WILL get changes in move pool. They can't massively change or update the metagame until the fifth generation, though. Expect that from whatever the first two games in the fifth generation will be, and in the future RS remakes. We're still in the fourth generation right now...changing anything major like that can cause/create issues with DPPt.

[Meganium Ex]

Hey, thank you for reminding me. It was actually a waste of time. I'll live from now on with a weight in my head of how much time I lost by trying to convince someone of how useless the new balls are. :\



I told once (or twice) and I'll tell you again. I prefer to stay pessimist until the real discovery. If they changed all the things you said that there's no reason to keep the same, I'll get over and be sorry for how much I doubted their efforts. At the other side, if they end up not changing at all, I'll not be surprised, like, say, the rest of the forum who keep being optimistic thinking these games are tha shet will. That's how I face things through life. Always ready for disappointment.



One of my main wants for this games was the changings in metagame. Metagame. Competition. Smogon. EV training. Movepools. Facilities. All the words some unhappy folks like to think they're stuff of people with no lives. Some of you (or the rest of you) wanted the apricorns, others wanted Kanto, others wanted some old unused thing I can't even remember. And you've got it, you don't have a reason to complain. Well, I have, because for what I'm seeing, there won't be any new things besides new Move Tutors.

I believe that this is so f*cking hard to understand, because I also wasn't able to understand what was all that fuzz for the kurt balls or Kanto return.

Also Meganium, you just shut the f*ck up. IIRC, you were the first guy to deny the coming of these games because a stupid part of yours was telling you that these games would never be a reality, even with, what, ten trillion evidences at your front. That was annoying to me. :)

Hoho! I didn't think you'd have the balls to reply after what, four or five people completely abolished you? Unfortunately, I don't have much of a desire to keep this up because it's pretty obvious all you are is a little pissant and no one really wants you here. It's especially hilarious you're being so critique of a Pokemon game, when it's damn obvious Gamefreak could've made them titles as awful as FRLG and still make millions. But no, they go the extra mile and add the frontier, which again, they didn't have to include at all, and guess what? You complain. And the metagame? Do you even know what age of people Pokemon is intended for? Do you really think they give a crap about you, especially after all the effort you have made to piss on these remakes?

I'm done with you. Goodbye. Oh, and PS, I believed they were GS remakes soon after this supposedly big announcement on Sunday was announced. :)

[Mario with Lasers]

Hey, thank you for reminding me. It was actually a waste of time. I'll live from now on with a weight in my head of how much time I lost by trying to convince someone of how useless the new balls are. :\

All balls are useless aside of Master. Let's also complain about Dive, Quick, Dusk, Premier, Cherish, blahblahblahblah...

And the metagame? Do you even know what age of people Pokemon is intended for? Do you really think they give a crap about you, especially after all the effort you have made to piss on these remakes?

Actually, as we can see in this interview... (http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/694081/Junichi-Masuda--Takeshi-Kawachimaru-Talk-Pokemon-Platinum-Particle-Physics-Bridges-And-More.html)


G4: Many people erroneously think that Pokemon games are just for children, but there are many complex features in the game like IVs, EV training, Hidden Power, and more. How did these features come about?

JM: The reason why we put things like IVs and EVs into the game is because we wanted to give players that are really into Pokemon battles much more to work with and much more to enjoy. We have a team that's dedicated to constantly enhancing and evolving the battle system. They have so many ideas and such a willingness to enhance the game. They're always thinking of ways to make battles more interesting. One example from this generation is that they separated moves into physical attacks and special attacks, which adds more versatility and strategy to both offense and defense. They always listen to player feedback and they battle a lot themselves. This team is the reason why Pokemon has such a rich battle system that's always evolving.

So yeah, "they really don't care about us" does not hold much water here. You're right about the rest though, having "Pokémon" at its title already makes a game sells millions, also having "Gold/Silver" makes it sell even more; they really didn't *need* to add anything.

[Meganium Ex]

Actually, as we can see in this interview... (http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/694081/Junichi-Masuda--Takeshi-Kawachimaru-Talk-Pokemon-Platinum-Particle-Physics-Bridges-And-More.html)



So yeah, "they really don't care about us" does not hold much water here. You're right about the rest though, having "Pokémon" at its title already makes a game sells millions, also having "Gold/Silver" makes it sell even more; they really didn't *need* to add anything.

They're throwing us a bone. People play Pokemon competitively, and that's why Gamefreak adds things like natures and EVs. My point is, though, that the Pokemon games were, are, and always will be intended for young children, despite the fact they occasionally throw a few things in there for the competitive players.

It was a poor choice of words. They care, but very, very little.

[pikachu_king]

Well I am truly sorry, but you didn't see Emerald's Battle Frontier in FR/LG did you?

Exactly, so we maybe lucky in all, but a simple Battle Tower would have sufficed instead of the recycled Frontier.

Uh, I know I'm a bit late, but FR/LG came out a year or so BEFORE emerald.... that's why they didn't have it.

[onew]

They're throwing us a bone. People play Pokemon competitively, and that's why Gamefreak adds things like natures and EVs. My point is, though, that the Pokemon games were, are, and always will be intended for young children, despite the fact they occasionally throw a few things in there for the competitive players.

It was a poor choice of words. They care, but very, very little.

This is true, I have a copy of Game Informer in which they interviewed the creators of Pokemon. They said that while they will have features for older fans, the main focus of every game is for a younger, new generation of pokemon fans.

Anyway, I don't see why people are so angry about the BF. It wasn't in G/S and it wasn't in D/P so they don't HAVE to give you anything. I think what they ARE giving us makes up for what they aren't by a long shot. You can still battle competitively, you don't need the BF for that.

[~-Overheat-~]

I'm cool with it. I kinda knew this would happen.

Saves a lot of speculation in the anime aswell.

[Arceus, The Original One]

I guess I'm OK with the Battle frontier now being included in all, but however aren't these games straying towards the anime? We have a Battle Frontier in Johto, which is the same as Sinnoh's, that what the anime do for a filler season, send them off to the remakes region, to challenge the current generations Battle Frontier.

And then the legendary birds are flying with Lugia in a Pokemon 2000 movie fashion, what the hell!

[dulden]

i bet the design will be the same but the leaders will have to be different. (or i will be dissapointed too).

[Skirgedot]

i bet the design will be the same but the leaders will have to be different. (or i will be dissapointed too).

They will be different. It is already not logic at all having the exact same place in two different locations at the same time, it'll be a joke if they end up making all that people omnipresent.

[KibreAb]

wow... i didnt know people actualy did that crap. Anyway i dont care 1 bit about bf, it was DUUMB and BORING for me. It was endless trainer battles .... with no expericnce and no pokedex data.... o LORD THE HOROR .

[Meganium Ex]

They will be different. It is already not logic at all having the exact same place in two different locations at the same time, it'll be a joke if they end up making all that people omnipresent.

Why the hell are you even questioning the logic in Pokemon?

wow... i didnt know people actualy did that crap. Anyway i dont care 1 bit about bf, it was DUUMB and BORING for me. It was endless trainer battles .... with no expericnce and no pokedex data.... o LORD THE HOROR .

You'd be surprised at the number of people who enjoy it. It's arguably the greatest part of the game for some people: battles, one after another, that offer a true challenge the adventure never would and there are great rewards to be won.

[Carlisle]

And the fact is...it IS logical. o_O; I I can build a house, and then build an exact copy in a different town...

[yanmegy423]

Honestly this game ets more and more added it's not funny and I hope that if you trade you're pokemon or mix records with your platinum player you could continue your Platinum Streaks because it isn't going to be an EXACT copy but with possible new Brains and items up for offer, etc.

[swimteam09]

I'm glad that they're keeping it, I've played it on my brothers platinum (I have diamond) and It's really fun.

[Tyranitar trainer]

Personally I don't mind that the battle frontier is the same as platinum's as it'll allow me to connect to my brother and cousin until they have a copy of the game
I hope the brains aren't the same though

[drake13]

the battle frontier of HGSS is the same as of platinum's so it can connect with it...we can play battle hall either on wi-fi or wireless with the games HGSS and platinum...be happy...it's most likely that they will change the brains so do not be hopeless...

[pokedexfiller]

its perfectly fine with me, i havent done the one in pt much so ill just wait for johto

[Samayowa]

Honestly, I'm quite happy they're keeping it the same.
Though I did buy Platinum and have played through the BF, it'll be a nice addition to make the gameplay longer and keep my interest atleast until the next big game in the franchise.
The more things to do, the better.
Providing they don't add so many things that it becomes boring and tedious. :P

[Arceus, The Original One]

I've changed my mind about the Battle Frontier, who cares if they were lazy or not, it saves me transferring all my team from HG/SS over to Platinum, and plus, there are loads more features such as the tutors in the Frontier Front.

To be honest I don't why I was so immature to complain in the first place.

[Alkaide]

Personally, I'd prefer an alternative to the Battle Frontier. Like, something to do afterward, but just a completely different concept then the BF. Although I don't really mind it, it's just something that I've been thinking about for a while.

[Samayowa]

Personally, I'd prefer an alternative to the Battle Frontier. Like, something to do afterward, but just a completely different concept then the BF. Although I don't really mind it, it's just something that I've been thinking about for a while.

Pokethlon, and you don't even have to wait until you beat the league or anything! :)
Sounds like a good alternative to me.

[Alkaide]

Pokethlon, and you don't even have to wait until you beat the league or anything! :)
Sounds like a good alternative to me.

Don't get me wrong, the Pokethlon sounds amazing (and too familiar. I implemented Pokelypics in my dead Pokemon RPG with the same type of attributes... I feel they're copying me lol) but as you said, you don't have to beat the Pokemon league. I want an after quest to do after the league where it's more of an adventure but not complicated, like the BF, but a different concept.

[Samayowa]

Don't get me wrong, the Pokethlon sounds amazing (and too familiar. I implemented Pokelypics in my dead Pokemon RPG with the same type of attributes... I feel they're copying me lol) but as you said, you don't have to beat the Pokemon league. I want an after quest to do after the league where it's more of an adventure but not complicated, like the BF, but a different concept.

Well, who knows; maybe that adventure lies in Kanto:)

[SunnyC]

I don't see why some people are saying the Frontier Brains from Sinnoh can't be here as well, as though they can't be in two places at once. There are things such as warp tiles, teleport, and fly in the Pokemon world that allow people to switch back and forth fast enough to almost be in two places at once.

Who knows, maybe they'll put two new facilities in this version of it. Bet people who bought Platinum will like that.

[WynautQueen]

Not a big deal. I don't use the Battle Frontier enough to be demanding a brand new one.

[goldgolem]

i think i would rather have had the emerald BF put into HG/SS than Platinum BF.

Although i have enjoyed both, i still would have wanted the emerald BF even more than the Platinum one.

i can only assume that FR/LG could have a remake with the emerald Bf...

[Shadow Eeveelution]

Why all are so sure that the FB will be the same as Platinum...they could just make an entirely new team

[GimmeTOKYO]

That's a bunch of bullsh*t.

There keeping the same Battle Frontier for 2 reasons:
...
2. They're too lazy to add HG/SS exclusive facilities.
Uh... Safari Zone?

[Sara Hysaro]

Wow, a Battle Frontier in a game that isn't a third installment? Gee, that's great! =D Do you think that they're planning on phasing out BT with BF?

I don't mind that it's the same as Platinum. What I'm wondering is...what are the prizes going to be? I hope they change/add to them. :)

[bloodghoul]

I for one am happy that the Battle Frontier is in Heart Gold and Soul Silver. It means that unless they add something UBER fantastic to the Crystal remake if there is one we are no longer forced to buy it. Even if it is the same as Platinums.

Maybe GameFreak has finally realised that most people dont want to buy essentailly the same game for one major new feature.

Side Note: I wonder if the Pokethon stats will be interchangable with the pokemon contests for compatability with DPPt

So bring on the Battle Frontier! and will everyone stop moaning about it "being identical to Platinums". Well it means you should know what to expect and wont have a major problem trying to get through it.

[Carlisle]

I for one am happy that the Battle Frontier is in Heart Gold and Soul Silver. It means that unless they add something UBER fantastic to the Crystal remake if there is one we are no longer forced to buy it. Even if it is the same as Platinums.

Maybe GameFreak has finally realised that most people dont want to buy essentailly the same game for one major new feature.

Side Note: I wonder if the Pokethon stats will be interchangable with the pokemon contests for compatability with DPPt

So bring on the Battle Frontier! and will everyone stop moaning about it "being identical to Platinums". Well it means you should know what to expect and wont have a major problem trying to get through it.
You don't have to worry, because there will never be a Crystal remake.

[LedZeppelin1]

If there was a Crystal remake, it would mean that they would have done a Yellow remake. It didn't happen. Besides, same BF is no big deal really. There's only so much you can do to battling.

[Dragon~~pokémon~~trainer]

Some people don't like Gamefreak reusing the BF, but the same people don't seem to mind GF reusing the same BT in every game. Kinda weird, isn't it?

I like to see a BF in HG/SS, even if it's the same one. A BF is a BF. Just get over it, if you don't like how GF make their games, don't buy them.

[Quebert]

I so glad this BF will be in this game! I was smarter and decided not to buy Plat just for a couple new features (Not the Plat sucks or anything) so this BF returning rings me joy.

[EifiBurakki]

The Platinum Battle Frontier being in HeartGold and SoulSilver doesn't really bother me. I bought Platinum but got so bored of it that I didn't even make it to the Frontier. So its not a problem.

[Quebert]

I want new Brains though cause Plats brains looked ugly

[GwJumpman]

I didn't really bother with the BFs in the other games. They didn't seem like it matched the games well.

[Shadow Eeveelution]

I want new Brains though cause Plats brains looked ugly

I though nothing is comfirmed about whos is the FB

[Roknar]

I'm glad they're the same, if it was different I would actually have been disappointed.

[^^Yoshinichi^^]

Wow, a Battle Frontier in a game that isn't a third installment? Gee, that's great! =D Do you think that they're planning on phasing out BT with BF?

I don't mind that it's the same as Platinum. What I'm wondering is...what are the prizes going to be? I hope they change/add to them. :)

Yes! Salac berry and co. please! =3

[venra77]

The palmer deal could be different though We could take a boat to the battle zone

[Quebert]

I though nothing is comfirmed about whos is the FB

Just saying that I hope the FB are new characters (at least for Palmer) instead of the old ones

[Shadow Eeveelution]

Just saying that I hope the FB are new characters (at least for Palmer) instead of the old ones

Why are all of you so sure that the Frontier Brain is the same

[ChibiTracy]

i thought the frontier brains are going to be different in HGSS >.>
but why did game freak used the frontier brains from platinum? i guess they're lazy or something IMO

[Wulava]

Well, thanks for bumping a topic that is almost a month old.
This has caught my attention.

Anyway, we all know that the Frontier facilities and the Brains are similar to that of Platinum.
We don't know the main reason why they re-used it, but mind you, it's not sheer laziness.

Well, this thread might as well be locked.