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bobandbill
9th April 2010, 5:30 AM
PLEASE READ THIS! THIS IS IMPORTANT!!!
ALSO SPECULATE STARTERS IN THE SPECULATION THREAD FOR NOW PLEASE KTHNX

Please only discuss information revealed by the official sources, such as Pokémon*Sunday, CoroCoro, and the official Pokémon sites -- we do not want any discussion on possible Pokémon, regions, or anything else. If you go off-topic your post WILL be deleted and you WILL be warned and/or be given infractions.


You can visit the official website here:
Pokémon Black and White ~Official JP Site~ (http://www.pokemon.co.jp/bw/index.html)

Pictures from the recent CoroCoro scans can be seen here:
Pokémon Black and White Pre-Release Pictures (http://serebii.net/blackwhite/pics.shtml)

ShinyLucario
9th April 2010, 5:34 AM
So, does this mean we'll have even MORE light type debates? Augh. =/ That's getting old. But I do look forward to more info from CoroCoro and Pokemon Sunday.

unluckyred13
9th April 2010, 5:35 AM
am i the only one thinking that nintendo or gamefreak could be in trouble by using the color black?(like what happened with jinx.)maybe some fans will have a different impact with the colors?

ShinyLucario
9th April 2010, 5:35 AM
am i the only one thinking that nintendo or gamefreak could be in trouble by using the color black?(like what happened with jinx.)maybe some fans will have a different impact with the colors?

Its always possible in dub names it'll be Light and Dark or something along those lines.

VerusMaya II
9th April 2010, 5:36 AM
I think it's you guys who are making such a big deal about it. They're colors. We use them in day-to-day life. It's okay, really.

Doryuzu
9th April 2010, 5:36 AM
Pokemon Black n' White Nice Nintendo real nice I expect for these to be Pokemon Oynx and Pokemon Polar in America

Mawile412
9th April 2010, 5:36 AM
i hope not! Black and White is a lot better than Light and Dark! or Oynx and Polar

ShinyLucario
9th April 2010, 5:37 AM
i hope not! Black and White is a lot better than Light and Dark!

I doubt Nintendo wants to risk racial issues though. :/

Silver_Seoul
9th April 2010, 5:37 AM
^ Technically, they're not colors. They're the absence or presence of light. =P

So jagged and cool-looking... @__@

ForeverFlame
9th April 2010, 5:38 AM
I think Black and White is a HUGE step back from the titles of the 3rd and 4th generations, but whatever suits Gamefreak.

I'm just curious as to what they're going to call the Third Game. Pokemon Gray or Pokemon Brown? Pfft.

unluckyred13
9th April 2010, 5:38 AM
Its always possible in dub names it'll be Light and Dark or something along those lines.

well i hope so.
if they keep that name they will probably be called racist.

Mawile412
9th April 2010, 5:38 AM
pokemon yin and yang could work

bobandbill
9th April 2010, 5:38 AM
So, does this mean we'll have even MORE light type debates? Augh. =/ That's getting old. But I do look forward to more info from CoroCoro and Pokemon Sunday.Nope because those sort of posts will just get deleted. =D But don't expect an absense of them appearing. -_-


Personally - they're fine names. Pokemon game names are never special (Red and Blue, random metal/gem names...FireRed LeafGreen...yeah). I wonder if they will change for the english versions, but I do doubt it. We shall see I suppose!

Sabonea_Masukippa
9th April 2010, 5:39 AM
am i the only one thinking that nintendo or gamefreak could be in trouble by using the color black?(like what happened with jinx.)maybe some fans will have a different impact with the colors?

The colour black has been around a lot longer than the racial connotations.

If someone is going to get all upitty over the use of the word black reffereing to a colour in paradigm to white (but not the use of white, for whatever reason) then that person has a very skewered priority set.

Plus, it's at least considerable that NoA were already told about the titles' colours and considered that they weren't an issue.

Because to any rational person, they're not.

VerusMaya II
9th April 2010, 5:39 AM
Okay, really guys. Not everyone immediately jumps and calls racism when you see the words black and white. And imagine the backlash if they changed the names to something else for America? That'd make it seem even more racist than intended, which is to say none at all!

talala
9th April 2010, 5:41 AM
Pokemon Black n' White Nice Nintendo real nice I expect for these to be Pokemon Oynx and Pokemon Polar in America

you expect wrong. heartgold, soulsilver, platinum, diamond, pearl, firered, leafgreen, ruby, sapphire, emerald, crystal, gold, and silver have the same names as their japanese counterparts, the only difference is the language they're spoken in.

darkjigglypuff
9th April 2010, 5:42 AM
I'll probably get Black Version Because it's longer

Thriller
9th April 2010, 5:42 AM
I think this is very uncreative of Gamefreak to use such names.

(Btw, this isn't going to cause racial problems. Black is a COLOR!)

A.I.P.
9th April 2010, 5:43 AM
Talk about the names only? What the hell else is there to say? Lolracism? Because that's ridiculous.

You might as well lock the thread if the topic is "Black. White. Black and white."

VerusMaya II
9th April 2010, 5:43 AM
I think this is very uncreative of Gamefreak to use such names.
Or they're just turning back to simpler roots. Like Red and Blue are oh so creative?

Kindrindra
9th April 2010, 5:45 AM
Actually, it's a shade.

Lorde
9th April 2010, 5:45 AM
Oh em ge. Interesting to get the names of the games and the logos look pretty darn snazy if I may say. Kind of uncreative and odd for them to use black and white as a basis for the game's names since I thought they'd stick with gems and not go back to colors.

ForeverFlame
9th April 2010, 5:45 AM
It'll be awesome to see the Black and White Box Legends though. The Box Legend for Pokemon Brown will be a giant pile of crap.

But no, actually, once we see the third Legend in BW we'll MOST LIKELY be able to instantly guess the title of the third game. Yay for using simplistic one-dimensional colors...

talala
9th April 2010, 5:45 AM
Or they're just turning back to simpler roots. Like Red and Blue are oh so creative?

they were the first games in the series, nothing wrong with no creativity over a decade ago...

bobandbill
9th April 2010, 5:45 AM
Talk about the names only? What the hell else is there to say? Lolracism? Because that's ridiculous.

You might as well lock the thread if the topic is "Black. White. Black and white."There's a reason for this. It's because if we allowed speculation, most of it stupid and repetitive and spammy, there will be so much spam it wouldn't be funny. If people were around the pre-D/P/Pt days... yeah. We had people suggesting DOG TYPES. D=

So until we have more info to discuss, it's just the game names only. Watch this thread get many pages just on that topic alone. =P

Mawile412
9th April 2010, 5:47 AM
i think black and white is pretty classy, it appeals to me more than diamond and pearl :\

Sabonea_Masukippa
9th April 2010, 5:48 AM
I think this is very uncreative of Gamefreak to use such names.



Based on names and a logo?

And what makes them less creative than the names of the previous generations? What names wouldn't have been uncreative?

Sure I can see how you might come to that conclusion ... it's a fairly big and common motif in art in many societies.

But how do you know they've not got something creative coming? Maybe they're actually going to do something with those titles that'll have in game relevance (good vs. evil, light vs. dark, yin vs. yang or I dunno something)? More so than the titles of the previous gens?

Or maybe the black and white is to signify going back to basics? Or rebooting the franchise?

Ryo
9th April 2010, 5:48 AM
I think Black and White is a HUGE step back from the titles of the 3rd and 4th generations, but whatever suits Gamefreak.

I actually like the fact that it sounds as if they may be taking a simplified approach to the next gen. It gives them a chance to retrace the routes of Red/Blue and be creatively original and simple.


I'll probably get Black Version Because it's longer

Lawlzz

VerusMaya II
9th April 2010, 5:48 AM
they were the first games in the series, nothing wrong with no creativity over a decade ago...
Where would you expect them to go? They chose increasingly rarer metals up until Diamond (the hardest natural material) and Platinum (the most expensive metal), so how could they top that? Start picking from the periodic table? Returning to solid colors is a perfectly viable option.

talala
9th April 2010, 5:49 AM
There's a reason for this. It's because if we allowed speculation, most of it stupid and repetitive and spammy, there will be so much spam it wouldn't be funny. If people were around the pre-D/P/Pt days... yeah. We had people suggesting DOG TYPES. D=

So until we have more info to discuss, it's just the game names only. Watch this thread get many pages just on that topic alone. =P

wtf? whats wrong with people? XD

we'll get a ton of pages by the end of the day (the 9th) on the names alone, then tomorrow night when we get more info from sunday/corocoro theres gonna be so many pages (and so much lag D=) it won't be funny

Brave Birdy
9th April 2010, 5:50 AM
i think black and white is pretty classy, it appeals to me more than diamond and pearl :\

My thoughts exactly.

And with all this "omg its racist" talk.
Its only been like 10 minutes and its already gotten old.

Doryuzu
9th April 2010, 5:50 AM
I doubt that that with the whole Jynx situation Nintendo wants to risk it plus Pokemon is what's helping nintendo thrive you don't see new Mario or Link games getting released every 3-6 months what do you think Nintendo's living on Love? They could always call them Pokemon "Koku"(Koku=Black) and Pokemon "Shiro"(Shiro=White) but Shiro probably sounds to close to シロミ(Shiromi=Egg White) Pokketo Munsuta Bulakku and Wihito ポッケトームンスターブァックーウィヒト I'm guessing would be the official Katakana name?

Lorde
9th April 2010, 5:51 AM
It'll be awesome to see the Black and White Box Legends though. The Box Legend for Pokemon Brown will be a giant pile of crap.

But no, actually, once we see the third Legend in BW we'll MOST LIKELY be able to instantly guess the title of the third game. Yay for using simplistic one-dimensional colors...

Lol well at least, judging from the titles, they've decided to start off Gen 5 with something fresh as opposed to using recycled ideas. I was expecting some more info though, aside from game titles.

talala
9th April 2010, 5:52 AM
Where would you expect them to go? They chose increasingly rarer metals up until Diamond (the hardest natural material) and Platinum (the most expensive metal), so how could they top that? Start picking from the periodic table? Returning to solid colors is a perfectly viable option.

didn't the creator say we would all be saying "lolwut is this really pokemon?", this is only the beginning

Ecco Blade
9th April 2010, 5:53 AM
I'm looking forward to these games. but, black and white? they could be a little more creative...

talala
9th April 2010, 5:53 AM
Lol well at least, judging from the titles, they've decided to start off Gen 5 with something fresh as opposed to using recycled ideas. I was expecting some more info though, aside from game titles.

we'll get more information by tomorrow night (the 10th)

VerusMaya II
9th April 2010, 5:53 AM
Pokketo Munsuta Bulakku and Wihito ポッケトームンスターブァックーウィヒト I'm guessing would be the official Katakana name?
ポケットモンスター (po-ke-tto mo-n-su-taa) ブラック (bu-ra-kku) & ホワイト (ho-wa-i-to)

R_N
9th April 2010, 5:53 AM
It's hilarious how everyone sees "Black & White" and goes OH MY GOD THIS WILL BE SO RACIST OH MY GOD WHAT WILL THE REAL DEAL ENGLISH NAMES BE????

Anyway, I think it's neat they went back to colors. Though I'm sure this will make any and all speculation unbelievably annoying beyond all comprehension.

SketchFox7
9th April 2010, 5:53 AM
Dark and Light also Ebony and Ivory would be likely alternatives for the game names if they did choose to change them in America

ForeverFlame
9th April 2010, 5:53 AM
Well, the titles certainly gave me a "lolwut is this really pokemon?" reaction. I love how fresh the logos look though. I'm working on cropping a Pokemon White logo as we speak. I want to get into the craze before everyone else does it.

V Faction
9th April 2010, 5:54 AM
Love the titles names. Don't care what anyone says.

This could very well be the undertaking by Game Freak to introduce flipflop elements present in each game that aren't strictly bound by story or catchable Pokemon.

Doryuzu
9th April 2010, 5:55 AM
you expect wrong. heartgold, soulsilver, platinum, diamond, pearl, firered, leafgreen, ruby, sapphire, emerald, crystal, gold, and silver have the same names as their japanese counterparts, the only difference is the language they're spoken in.

Not trying to be mean but could you possibly comment with less Bite?

Hejiru
9th April 2010, 5:55 AM
Wow, so they really are called Black and White. Shows how much I know, I guess. :/

Kinda nice to see them return to colors (Yes I know they're shades, whatever) Iwas getting tired of people suggesting more and more gemstones. Pokemon Opal/Topaz/Ameyst/More name of gems most people have never heard of sounded really awkward.

Judging by these version names, I think it's pretty certain that the 3rd version will be Gray/Grey. (By the way- is it Gray or Grey? I know both spelling are correct, like color and colour, but which one do you think they'll go with?)

Skia Lucrecia
9th April 2010, 5:56 AM
Eh, could be worse.

And anyone who thinks that calling it Black is racist is just being dramatic.

Also I vote that the Third game will be called something like Purple or Pink. I doubt Nintendo is dumb enough to go for Brown.

VerusMaya II
9th April 2010, 5:56 AM
(By the way- is it Gray or Grey? I know both spelling are correct, like color and colour, but which one do you think they'll go with?)
Gray is the American spelling, so they'll most likely pick that.

Sabonea_Masukippa
9th April 2010, 5:57 AM
I doubt that that with the whole Jynx situation Nintendo wants to risk it plus Pokemon is what's helping nintendo thrive you don't see new Mario or Link games getting released every 3-6 months what do you think Nintendo's living on Love? They could always call them Pokemon "Koku"(Koku=Black) and Pokemon "Shiro"(Shiro=White) but Shiro probably sounds to close to シロミ(Shiromi=Egg White) Pokketo Munsuta Bulakku and Wihito ポッケトームンスターブァックーウィヒト I'm guessing would be the official Katakana name?

Pokemon main series games have only had Katakana names since the second gen. And "shiromi" comes from "shiro" so that why they sound alike ... sort of like egg white sounding like white ...

The official Katakana of the names are

ポケットモンスター ブラック (Pocket Monster Black)
ポケットモンスター ホワイト (Pocket Monster White)

ForeverFlame
9th April 2010, 5:58 AM
I personally use Gray, but they'll probably end up going with Grey. =/

I'm just excited for CoroCoro! We know we're getting the names for sure, so we're definitely getting at least some new silhouettes, if not the Box Legends.

Will the Box Legends be Normal and Dark, I wonder? I don't even want to consider the possibility of a... *shudder* Light type...

A.I.P.
9th April 2010, 5:58 AM
Dark and Light also Ebony and Ivory would be likely alternatives for the game names if they did choose to change them in America

Yeah, because Ebony and Ivory Versions sound less racist than black and white. Black and white are common colors we see everyday, ebony and ivory is the name of a song about interracial love.

Yes. Controversy is no more!

SeamYo
9th April 2010, 5:58 AM
I was actually thinking of obsidian and quartz

but like white and black, brilliant in its simplicity

and for those bringing racism into it? thats just moronic...idiots

SeamYo
9th April 2010, 5:59 AM
@AIP
dont bother serebii are renowned for inducing boring conversation by not letting speculation and wishlists, i personally dont see the big deal...but i suppose they need to get their authority high from somewhere

I started a name speculation thread a while back (three times if memor serves) but it wasnt allowed to be posted

@forever flame: I always considered psychic to be the "light" typer in contrast to dark
so I think it will be a psychic and a dark legendary for the boxes

Lorde
9th April 2010, 5:59 AM
I can already see people drawing parallels between Zorua/Zoroark and Pokemon Black since both Pokemon are Dark types.

I'm not familiar with Katakana but they're not going to change it to Koku or Shiro since they have a pattern of using English names for titles. Besides the logos look official.

DBK
9th April 2010, 5:59 AM
didn't the creator say we would all be saying "lolwut is this really pokemon?", this is only the beginning

lol to quote a favorite movie of mine "IT HAAAAS BEEEGUN!!!!!!"

I am pleasantly surprised by the names (I, too, believed that those names would never be used). I missed the colors, so I am happy that they are going back to them (yes I now they are shades :p).

The logos look really cool, too. I am super hyped now for this new generation!!!!

BCVM22
9th April 2010, 6:00 AM
What names wouldn't have been uncreative?

Pokémon Unubium and Pokémon Cadmium.


It's hilarious how everyone sees "Black & White" and goes OH MY GOD THIS WILL BE SO RACIST OH MY GOD WHAT WILL THE REAL DEAL ENGLISH NAMES BE????

Though I'm sure this will make any and all speculation unbelievably annoying beyond all comprehension.

It's the next stage in the pre-release droning. We weren't going to be able to prattle on and on about Zoroark forever.

Araleon
9th April 2010, 6:00 AM
So, Pokemon Black and Pokemon White? Awesome. I like that they went back to colors. It makes it seem mysterious. Or something.

Third version will totally be Pokemon Gray

I'm looking forward to finding out more information. I read that the makers of the games said these will be... fresh? Or soemthing like that.

Kindrindra
9th April 2010, 6:01 AM
There is now only one thing left to do.

*Runs around screaming like the Fanboy I am*

Mawile412
9th April 2010, 6:01 AM
Yeah, because Ebony and Ivory Versions sound less racist than black and white. Black and white are common colors we see everyday, ebony and ivory is the name of a song about interracial love.

Yes. Controversy is no more!

and Black and White is a Michael Jackson song =D

ForeverFlame
9th April 2010, 6:03 AM
Ebony and Ivory would be more symbolic, but it would probably make things worse since Ebony is a type of porn.

They might as well keep things simple, if they want to go for that type of thing.

dannydstk
9th April 2010, 6:04 AM
i never thought id see the day these were actual titles 8o

pikachu500
9th April 2010, 6:04 AM
Let me say this.

"Shades doesn't matter Pokemon makes the Game"

Sabonea_Masukippa
9th April 2010, 6:05 AM
Pokémon Unubium and Pokémon Cadmium.



Should've asked what *likely* names would have creative, hey?

Reading that made me laugh though. Thanks.

BCVM22
9th April 2010, 6:06 AM
I can't claim credit for it.

http://video-games.elliottback.com/pokemon-platinum-confirmed-for-japan-release/

InfinitiveThunder
9th April 2010, 6:07 AM
I hate when people put the word racism in game world. Why do they take so seriously that Chris Redfield kills black African infected-people, or that Pokemon V Gen is Black & White o that Jynx is black too. In the end the gaming nation will fear to even put the word black in any text for the sake of some stupid people.

ForeverFlame
9th April 2010, 6:08 AM
Joe always seems to be asleep when all of the big news breaks. This happened with HeartGold and SoulSilver as well.

Hejiru
9th April 2010, 6:08 AM
Gray is the American spelling, so they'll most likely pick that.

Yes, but they'll release this games in the UK as well...

And according to Pokebeach, one of the many names they've trademarked is Pokemon Grey. (I dunno if they already had Gray)

V Faction
9th April 2010, 6:08 AM
I can't claim credit for it.

http://video-games.elliottback.com/pokemon-platinum-confirmed-for-japan-release/
S'okay.

Anyway, all prior indications of title translation leaves me to believe we'll be sticking with "Black" and "White" rather than something like "Onyx" and "Marble"

Electivirus
9th April 2010, 6:08 AM
I'm liking the new logos. Snazzy, indeed.

palingensia
9th April 2010, 6:08 AM
Looks like 5th gen is a MJ tribute.

Ichi
9th April 2010, 6:08 AM
I like these names. It's like they're going back to the basics. Simple and sweet. I honestly was never impressed with the newer names and had secretly hoped that they would take it back to simpler days. I'm glad Gamefreak heard my plea.

Mario with Lasers
9th April 2010, 6:08 AM
Damnit, I was going to make a joke about Yellow fever and Pokémon but that doesn't work since first gen :/ Curse you, Pikachu.

talala
9th April 2010, 6:09 AM
I hate when people put the word racism in game world. Why do they take so seriously that Chris Redfield kills black African infected-people, or that Pokemon V Gen is Black & White o that Jynx is black too. In the end the gaming nation will fear to even put the word black in any text for the sake of some stupid people.

jynx is a pokemon with an actual shape that offended african americans, black is the title of a game, theres nothing racist about the title being black...

No. 1 Machop Fan
9th April 2010, 6:09 AM
I should get banned. I think I'm the one who started this racism uproar.

m190049
9th April 2010, 6:10 AM
The name refers to he shade. Note that the shade came FIRST. =|
And even if the word Black is also used as a term to represent the race... So?
I think people are forgetting what the word "Racist" means.

Just freaking mentioning the name of a race is not racist.

Jeez, humans really do suck.

WhismuringLoudred
9th April 2010, 6:10 AM
What about Pokemon White Dwarf and Black Hole?

No, then Caucasian midgets would get angry...

Mawile412
9th April 2010, 6:11 AM
well if Pokemon White sells more i bet people will think it's racist. Although i highly doubt it, Black sounds like the new Red/Gold/Ruby/Diamond.

ForeverFlame
9th April 2010, 6:11 AM
I should get banned. I think I'm the one who started this racism uproar.

People have been saying that "Pokemon Black and White" were racist since 1996. Don't worry.

I just hate how people always cry racism over petty things. I'm annoyed about the titles only because of the fact that people will be saying "OMGRACISM" for the next five years.

R_N
9th April 2010, 6:12 AM
Pokémon Unubium and Pokémon Cadmium.



It's the next stage in the pre-release droning. We weren't going to be able to prattle on and on about Zoroark forever.

No, no. I mean these titles specifically will fuel speculation that will make my eyes bleed.

Kindrindra
9th April 2010, 6:12 AM
Ya.
Hey, maybe the mods should give a warning to anyone that talks about the titles being racist!

Lorde
9th April 2010, 6:12 AM
What about Pokemon White Dwarf and Black Hole?

No, then Caucasian midgets would get angry...

The names have already been confirmed and I doubt they'd change, even upon the US release of these games. Nothing wrong with colors (shades?) in my opinion. I love the contrast though.

A.I.P.
9th April 2010, 6:14 AM
Black will obviously sell more because:

1) Black = DARK = SO COOL FOR THE KIDS
2) White guilt.

No. 1 Machop Fan
9th April 2010, 6:14 AM
I'm annoyed about the titles only because of the fact that people will be saying "OMGRACISM" for the next five years.

Same. That's why I'm afraid they may not even come here.

InfinitiveThunder
9th April 2010, 6:14 AM
Looks like 5th gen is a MJ tribute.

Lol :P

@talala: Well I posted that not only about Pokemon but generally

Korusan
9th April 2010, 6:14 AM
I'm holding out until Pokemon Beige.

ForeverFlame
9th April 2010, 6:15 AM
In the Japanese Trademark Database, several previously used Nintendo trademarks have been registered, including Pokémon Red, Pokémon Green, Pokémon Blue and Pokémon Yellow, all Generation I games that have already been released. New trademarks recently registered include Pokémon Black, Pokémon Brown, Pokémon White, Pokémon Gray, Pokémon Purple, Pokémon Crimson and Pokémon Scarlet, the last in two variations.

However, Nintendo's registering of the names does not mean they will ever become games. Nintendo has previously registered unused game names for Pokémon, such as Opal, and unused names may be an attempt to discourage bootleg or knockoff games.

So the Third Game is confirmed to be either Pokemon Brown or Pokemon Gray (with an "a"). Crimson or Scarlet would be awesome though.

Black, White, and Red, basically. How hardcore would that be?

V Faction
9th April 2010, 6:15 AM
http://i42.*******.com/96xpj5.jpg

Something to think about.

Mario with Lasers
9th April 2010, 6:17 AM
well if Pokemon White sells more i bet people will think it's racist. Although i highly doubt it, Black sounds like the new Red/Gold/Ruby/Diamond.

I thought it was Red/Gold/Ruby/Pearl, thus being the hot colors?

And I guess White will be with them too.


http://i42.*******.com/96xpj5.jpg

Something to think about.

Good point.

BCVM22
9th April 2010, 6:17 AM
No, no. I mean these titles specifically will fuel speculation that will make my eyes bleed.

It's part of the circle of life, chum.

Once the games release, the conversation becomes "when do these come out in America?!" even though we know it'll be March or April of 2011 and "when do these come out in Europe/Australia/Korea/New Zealand/Uzbekistan?!" even though it'll be probably be between two weeks and a month after the American release.

Once we get that information, the conversation becomes "what's the third version?" complete with mindless speculation about said game, like "I bet we'll be able to [do something completely random that they wouldn't add for a third game]!!!" and that includes the few who will be completely aghast at this radical possibility and deny it has any chance of happening.

Once that finishes, we turn to "REMAKES!" and all the joy that discussion brings with it. And after that? The 6th generation fun starts.

It's all one big unholy cycle. You could set your calendar by it.


So the Third Game is confirmed to be either Pokemon Brown or Pokemon Gray (with an "a").

No, no, no, it's not "confirmed" to be anything. Come on.

Kindrindra
9th April 2010, 6:17 AM
http://i42.*******.com/96xpj5.jpg

Something to think about.

My thoughts EXACTLY.
If we do get Yin and Yang pokemon... I'm going to be so happy...

A.I.P.
9th April 2010, 6:18 AM
I'm holding out until Pokemon Beige.

Good catch there. I think Pokémon Gray would have been too obvious.

WhismuringLoudred
9th April 2010, 6:18 AM
So the Third Game is confirmed to be either Pokemon Brown or Pokemon Gray (with an "a"). Crimson or Scarlet would be awesome though.

Black, White, and Red, basically. How hardcore would that be?

I think Pokemon Rainbow is the most obvious choice for the third game. :)

Then the gays would be in an uproar.....

DBK
9th April 2010, 6:18 AM
So the Third Game is confirmed to be either Pokemon Brown or Pokemon Gray (with an "a"). Crimson or Scarlet would be awesome though.

Black, White, and Red, basically. How hardcore would that be?

Nothing's confirmed. All that article says is that those names are registered. My gut says Black, White, Crimson :)

Doryuzu
9th April 2010, 6:18 AM
How angry do you think people will be if Pokemon Black sells like more copies then white and vise versa?

Hejiru
9th April 2010, 6:18 AM
So the Third Game is confirmed to be either Pokemon Brown or Pokemon Gray (with an "a"). Crimson or Scarlet would be awesome though.

Black, White, and Red, basically. How hardcore would that be?

Pokebeach says the trademark is Pokemon Grey. Dosen't really matter though. With Black and White, it's almost certain that the third one will be called Gray/Grey.

Lorde
9th April 2010, 6:19 AM
So the Third Game is confirmed to be either Pokemon Brown or Pokemon Gray (with an "a"). Crimson or Scarlet would be awesome though.

Black, White, and Red, basically. How hardcore would that be?

Thanks for putting that up. I remember reading about those trademarks but I never expected them to use two of those as game titles for some reason. Maybe because the HG/SS names weren't known to have been trademarked before they were revealed.


http://i42.*******.com/96xpj5.jpg

Something to think about.

Harmony? That's a good example :p

Korusan
9th April 2010, 6:19 AM
Good catch there. I think Pokémon Gray would have been too obvious.Brown wouldn't surprise me either, though.

Pokemon4Ever
9th April 2010, 6:20 AM
Pokemon Black and White huh? I predicted something along the lines of Dark and Light (though those aren't colors or metals) but Black and White isn't too far off. Not the best names, as it'll feel kinda awkward saying " I got White version" lol, but who cares, I'll adjust. I'm actually glad we're back to colors now!

ForeverFlame
9th April 2010, 6:21 AM
No, no, no, it's not "confirmed" to be anything. Come on.

Well, in Fanon it is. I can't see them going with Pokemon Purple... They may do a Crystal/Platinum and surprise us, but I see the situation with Gray being like Emerald in the fact that people saw it coming years in advance.

BCVM22
9th April 2010, 6:21 AM
Same. That's why I'm afraid they may not even come here.

Stop. This concern has about as much basis as the notion that the moon landing was fake. There are only a handful of things that would stop them from releasing a pair of Pokémon core titles - as much of a license to print money as ever there was - internationally, and they all involve apocalyptic scenarios. Short of the ever-popular asteroid impact or a complete global economic collapse, there's zero chance of that happening.


How angry do you think people will be if Pokemon Black sells like more copies then white and vise versa?

Depends - how many times will this bit be used and reused before, during and after the release?


Well, in Fanon it is.

*buzzer*

And there's your disqualifier right there.

R_N
9th April 2010, 6:24 AM
It's part of the circle of life, chum.


Yeah but once you start looking down the black=evil, white=good abyss, connections are made and it just trumps everything else.

Indragon
9th April 2010, 6:25 AM
What's with all the racism nonsense?

Anyway, if White is like the "red" line of games, we might for once, see a higher number of sales in the "blue" line.

ForeverFlame
9th April 2010, 6:25 AM
colorz 4 lyfe

Thanks for adding to the discussion.

But people, I don't get why nobody considers Gold, Silver, Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum to be colors.

Crystal's the only Title that doesn't correspond to an actual color.

A.I.P.
9th April 2010, 6:25 AM
Well, in Fanon it is. I can't see them going with Pokemon Purple... They may do a Crystal/Platinum and surprise us, but I see the situation with Gray being like Emerald in the fact that people saw it coming years in advance.

How can "fanon" be "confirmed?" So, in three years when the third game comes out, and it's none of the trademarked names, do you just stand there going "duuurr?"

NoDice
9th April 2010, 6:27 AM
Rather than Pokemon "Rainbow" or "Gray" I personally think Pokemon "Prism" would be better. Not saying thats a possibility at all, but yeah Prism would account for all colors with White and Black being two polar opposites of the color spectrum.

Indragon
9th April 2010, 6:29 AM
Thanks for adding to the discussion.

But people, I don't get why nobody considers Gold, Silver, Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum to be colors.

Crystal's the only Title that doesn't correspond to an actual color.

Because just because rubies, sapphires, emeralds, diamonds, pearls and platinum have a colour doesn't mean they are colours. It's like saying Pokemon House Version is named after a colour because your house is painted some colour.

BCVM22
9th April 2010, 6:30 AM
But people, I don't get why nobody considers Gold, Silver, Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum to be colors.

It's not that they aren't colors, they're simply all either precious metals, precious materials or gemstones first and colors second.


How can "fanon" be "confirmed?" So, in three years when the third game comes out, and it's none of the trademarked names, do you just stand there going "duuurr?"

I laughed.

Mawile412
9th April 2010, 6:30 AM
I thought it was Red/Gold/Ruby/Pearl, thus being the hot colors?

And I guess White will be with them too.



Good point.

I thought it was because their names came first Like Red and Blue, Gold and Silver, Ruby and Sapphire, Diamond and Pearl, Black and White. O_O

realarcastform
9th April 2010, 6:31 AM
Black and White makes perfect sense, it's a renewal of the series and a new turn.

Mario with Lasers
9th April 2010, 6:32 AM
Straight from dear Wiki:


Many natural dualities — e.g. dark and light, female and male, low and high, cold and hot — are viewed in Chinese thought as manifestations of yin and yang (respectively).

Yin - Dark, female, low, cold
Yang - Light, male, high, hot

Bleh, calling it now. White will be the hot version with a male Uber based on Yang and Black, the cold one with a female Uber based on Yin.


(yes I'm calling this out of almost ZERO base, just like Dialga/Palkia would be related to the jewels and ended up merely having them on their bodies)


I thought it was because their names came first Like Red and Blue, Gold and Silver, Ruby and Sapphire, Diamond and Pearl, Black and White. O_O

Got me.

DBK
9th April 2010, 6:33 AM
How can "fanon" be "confirmed?" So, in three years when the third game comes out, and it's none of the trademarked names, do you just stand there going "duuurr?"

lol Nice one :)


Rather than Pokemon "Rainbow" or "Gray" I personally think Pokemon "Prism" would be better. Not saying thats a possibility at all, but yeah Prism would account for all colors with White and Black being two polar opposites of the color spectrum.

I like that idea. I'm going to lol if that name becomes trademarked :)

Isn't Crystal technically a color? I thought it was?

ForeverFlame
9th April 2010, 6:33 AM
Because just because rubies, sapphires, emeralds, diamonds, pearls and platinum have a colour doesn't mean they are colours. It's like saying Pokemon House Version is named after a colour because your house is painted some colour.

They are shades of the colors that they are often associated with. Look at Crayola, they made Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald/Pearl/Gold/Silver crayons.

BCVM22
9th April 2010, 6:33 AM
I thought it was because their names came first Like Red and Blue, Gold and Silver, Ruby and Sapphire, Diamond and Pearl, Black and White. O_O

You can tab every core title with a counterpart as being either a warm color ([Fire]Red, [Heart]Gold, Ruby, Pearl, White) or a cool color ([Leaf]Green/Blue, [Soul]Silver, Sapphire, Diamond, Black). The punchline is that Diamond/Pearl and Black/White subverted the trend of the first three generations by putting the cool color first instead of second.

Indragon
9th April 2010, 6:34 AM
I like the simplicity of the names, the perfect colour duo as Pokemon game names is cool. I'll be interested to see if or how Yin/Yang is incorporated.

No. 1 Machop Fan
9th April 2010, 6:34 AM
Stop. This concern has about as much basis as the notion that the moon landing was fake. There are only a handful of things that would stop them from releasing a pair of Pokémon core titles - as much of a license to print money as ever there was - internationally, and they all involve apocalyptic scenarios. Short of the ever-popular asteroid impact or a complete global economic collapse, there's zero chance of that happening.


That's a relief.

I'm sorry I'm saying stuff like this, but I have severe Paranoia, and it makes me think of ridiulous stuff like that all the time.

talala
9th April 2010, 6:34 AM
Thanks for adding to the discussion.

But people, I don't get why nobody considers Gold, Silver, Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum to be colors.

Crystal's the only Title that doesn't correspond to an actual color.

everyone has their own prototype, or what they recognize something as right away, gold, silver, and crystal to most people are ores, ruby, sapphire, and emerald are gems to most people, and diamond, pearl, and platinum are that one thing i can never think of the name...

point being people think they're ores/gems/whatever before they think of them as colors, black and white aren't colors, they're really shades, but everyones prototype will tell them that black and white are colors, making everyone believe gamefreak is reverting to colors, which they aren't.

Astus
9th April 2010, 6:35 AM
The titles took me by surprise. In the regards of simplicity but I'm perfectly fine with it. Now, to wait for some concrete news on the games.

Chris
9th April 2010, 6:36 AM
Worth noting that the site lists the pair as Nintendo DS titles, not DSi or 3DS-exclusive titles. While there's no guarantee they won't include features for those versions of the DS, it at least confirms that regular DS and DS Lite owners will have nothing to worry about, similar to how Game Boy, Game Boy Pocket and Super Game Boy owners were capable of playing Pokémon Gold and Silver without any issues.

The site goes live on April 15.

ForeverFlame
9th April 2010, 6:37 AM
Please stop saying that Black and White are shades. Yes, they are. They represent an absence of color. But when there is color, they are colors.

Olympichero191
9th April 2010, 6:37 AM
Having to go to work in the morning wasn't going to be a problem until the announcement of these new names. Now I'm too excited to sleep. I hate the time difference between Japan and America. >=(

But needless to say, I'm excited. I think it's more for the simple fact that there's going to be actual news soon than that there's actual names for the games.

Indragon
9th April 2010, 6:38 AM
They are shades of the colors that they are often associated with. Look at Crayola, they made Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald/Pearl/Gold/Silver crayons.

No, like BCVM22 said, they are gemstones first, and only then do they have a colour which these stones represent. Sure, they can be crayons but the names are still those of gemstones.

Btw, imo Gold and Silver are colours first then metals.

Busterella
9th April 2010, 6:39 AM
I really like the titles and logos. Simple, striking, classy, and unexpected.

I'm very excited to see where this gen is going.

No. 1 Machop Fan
9th April 2010, 6:40 AM
Please stop saying that Black and White are shades. Yes, they are. They represent an absence of color. But when there is color, they are colors.

I begin to think this is going to turn into a 'colours or shades?' thread.

On-topic, I'm definitely getting one of these, but I won't know which until a lot more info is revealed.

Indragon
9th April 2010, 6:42 AM
Black and White are colours.

Also, if they change the names, it's possible they may be something like PearlyWhite and ShadowBlack. I know, those names are no good, but you get the idea. I'll still say that Black and White would be the better names though.

Starrbuck06
9th April 2010, 6:43 AM
I quite like the names,basic yet it clearly defines contrast between the 2 versions. I would have edged for Ebony and Ivory version but hey... A new Pokemon game is a new Pokemon game. Can't wait until Pokemon sunday and or CoroCoro.

master54100
9th April 2010, 6:45 AM
bit disappointing to be honest. i was hoping for something more valuable than diamond and pearl seeing as that's the so far looks like they finally gave up on it and dropped back to basic colors =( there goes pokemon plutonium and uranium which was my guess, though black and white are still powerful colors to use for contrast and inspite of the fact i cant sell black or white for the same i can sell a diamond for to a jewler it dose tend to suggest an epic game. hopefully its still a step back from diamond and pearl though the story to those games was made terrible by by making it to big and unbelievable to the point i didn't care about the story any more, bring back something simple like team rocket.



P.S light type being its own type would be to confusing next to some electric attacks. possible but i doubt it.

DBK
9th April 2010, 6:45 AM
Worth noting that the site lists the pair as Nintendo DS titles, not DSi or 3DS-exclusive titles. While there's no guarantee they won't include features for those versions of the DS, it at least confirms that regular DS and DS Lite owners will have nothing to worry about, similar to how Game Boy, Game Boy Pocket and Super Game Boy owners were capable of playing Pokémon Gold and Silver without any issues.

The site goes live on April 15.

That's a relief. I was afraid that if they were more 3DS-oriented titles, I wouldn't have been able to get them (am broke and cannot afford any new systems for a while) and I would be one sad trainer :)

V Faction
9th April 2010, 6:47 AM
Gold:
Rainbow Wing

Silver:
Silver Wing

Ruby:
Red Orb

Sapphire:
Blue Orb

Diamond:
Adamant Orb

Pearl:
Lustrous Orb

Black & White: ???

I truly wonder if they'll keep up the tradition of an In-game item that connects to the different versions.

Indragon
9th April 2010, 6:47 AM
That's a relief. I was afraid that if they were more 3DS-oriented titles, I wouldn't have been able to get them (am broke and cannot afford any new systems for a while) and I would be one sad trainer :)

Confirmed a long time ago.

A weird idea - would Black put a great emphasis on evil/evil team than its White counterpart?

Miune
9th April 2010, 6:48 AM
Black and White?

Thank god.

I was getting tired of the ridiculous names. Platinum took it too far.

Chris
9th April 2010, 6:49 AM
Not likely. Never has a Pokemon game had its color reflect the storyline.

BCVM22
9th April 2010, 6:49 AM
Aaaaand it begins...


there goes pokemon plutonium and uranium which was my guess

Yes, I bet the young kids at whom the games are aimed would have taken to names like "Plutonium" and "Uranium" like flies to stink. The third game could have been "Pokémon Yellowcake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowcake)".


hopefully its still a step back from diamond and pearl

I don't think that means what you think it means.


though the story to those games was made terrible by by making it to big and unbelievable to the point i didn't care about the story any more, bring back something simple like team rocket.

One, who plays Pokémon for the story? Honestly. Two, just because you don't have the attention span for something a touch more intricate than "Team Rocket wants to steal Pokémon!" doesn't mean there was anything wrong with it.

Indragon
9th April 2010, 6:49 AM
Shadow Orb and Radiance Orb is my guess.

zeno48
9th April 2010, 6:52 AM
I want more info on these games! I tend to be a little bit skeptical on why they choose these two titles for the fifth gen. Black and White don't really tell me much. To me it sounds like light and darkness and i guess i can predict the third game being gray or something lol. I mean there isn't much to look forward too once you hit space and time right?

No. 1 Machop Fan
9th April 2010, 6:52 AM
Confirmed a long time ago.

A weird idea - would Black put a great emphasis on evil/evil team than its White counterpart?

Perhaps they'll have two villainous teams with opposite objectives, much like Teams Aqua and Magma?

With the Yin-Yang idea, though, I've personally imagined a pair of villainlous teams where one involves itself with the earth while the other involves itself with the sky.

TitanT30
9th April 2010, 6:53 AM
What about Pokemon White Dwarf and Black Hole?

No, then Caucasian midgets would get angry...

What about the black holes? Get them mad and have the earth sucked into another dimension. ;201-m;

DBK
9th April 2010, 6:54 AM
Confirmed a long time ago.


I know. It's just that seeing it on the official site makes it feel more concrete. I don't know, I guess that's just me :)

My guess: White - Sacred Jewel
Black - Dark Matter

BCVM22
9th April 2010, 6:55 AM
I want more info on these games!

Demanding will make it come quicker.


I tend to be a little bit skeptical on why they choose these two titles for the fifth gen.

Skeptical about what? We don't know anything yet.


Black and White don't really tell me much.

Neither did Red and Green. Or Gold and Silver. Or Ruby and Sapphire. Or Diamond and Pearl.

...

Perhaps we should just conclude that in their simplicity, the core title names don't generally tell a whole lot about what awaits within?

Mawile412
9th April 2010, 6:55 AM
Aaaaand it begins...



Yes, I bet the young kids at whom the games are aimed would have taken to names like "Plutonium" and "Uranium" like flies to stink.

I was about to say the same thing xD

Yamikarasu
9th April 2010, 6:55 AM
Well Black and White definitely sounds like the main legendaries will represent good and evil, although those who say that the games' titles have never reflected the storyline are right. However, there have never been games that screamed something like "OMG Epic battle between good and evil" like black and white does, imo.

BCVM22
9th April 2010, 6:56 AM
Well Black and White definitely sounds like the main legendaries will represent good and evil, although those who say that the games' titles have never reflected the storyline are right. However, there have never been games that screamed something like "OMG Epic battle between good and evil" like black and white does, imo.

And yet keep in mind that this is Pokémon, a franchise that goes out of its way at every level to dispell the notion of outright evil, particularly in regards to the titular critters.

Danitsku
9th April 2010, 6:56 AM
pokemon black and white. ;) i like it. simple, sleek... good job game freak. ^_^ i may get white version, but there's always version exclusives. >.> so whichever one will be cooler...

Indragon
9th April 2010, 6:56 AM
Perhaps they'll have two villainous teams with opposite objectives, much like Teams Aqua and Magma?

With the Yin-Yang idea, though, I've personally imagined a pair of villainlous teams where one involves itself with the earth while the other involves itself with the sky.

Hmm...now that I think about it, it's probably the version legendary who'll depict black/white or yin/yang and there'll be two teams after them. Still, I get the feeling of some stark contrast between the games this time.


I want more info on these games! I tend to be a little bit skeptical on why they choose these two titles for the fifth gen. Black and White don't really tell me much. To me it sounds like light and darkness and i guess i can predict the third game being gray or something lol. I mean there isn't much to look forward too once you hit space and time right?

You could go back to more simple roots of good/evil and work on some other myths I guess.


Aaaaand it begins...

lol :D

yeoungbraxx
9th April 2010, 6:56 AM
I hope to clear up a little about black/white status as colors.
With pigment, black is all colors of pigment, whereas white is no pigment color.
With light, black is an absence of light, whereas white is the presence of all colors of light.

Sami
9th April 2010, 6:56 AM
I think this is very uncreative of Gamefreak to use such names.

YEAH! How unoriginal! Why don't you come up with your own ideas, Gamefreak??

They should have called them Pokemon Schnazelintafel and Porukiponopolis! That's much more creative.

V Faction
9th April 2010, 6:57 AM
Reposting


The simplicity in the names is what intrigues me. Rather than going for something elaborate or tacky ("HeartGold" yeesh), they opted to take the most basic and obvious route.

To me, that says they want to make an impact with these names. And that impact could be any number of things. Just the very nature of "Black" and "White" has tons of connotations already in existence. Dark, Evil; Good, Light. Opposites. Balance. High and Low.


Well, the logos themselves are very well done. You get feel the sophistry behind HeartGold and SoulSilver's titles. These are very clearly meant to be bold and constrasting. Note how the background upon the lettering is the exact opposite color? And the design looks sleek.

Just more observation. Titles are after all only titles.

VaZZioS
9th April 2010, 7:00 AM
It's the first time we don't see a hot/cool version for pokemon, right??

Besides the obvious MJ jokes, I'm pretty excited for these.

sparkedglory
9th April 2010, 7:01 AM
I love the fact that they used Black and White. It's like a return to the roots of Pokemon
I'll be getting Black.

Indragon
9th April 2010, 7:02 AM
I'm reminded of Angels and Demons when I think of Black and White - their simple contrast and balancing opposites being the reason, I guess.

Also, after seeing that post suggesting Dark Matter as the version legendary's item, I wonder if something like that would be used, but this being Pokemon, it may be unlikely.


Well Black and White definitely sounds like the main legendaries will represent good and evil, although those who say that the games' titles have never reflected the storyline are right. However, there have never been games that screamed something like "OMG Epic battle between good and evil" like black and white does, imo.

I agree with this.

BCVM22
9th April 2010, 7:04 AM
It's the first time we don't see a hot/cool version for pokemon, right??

White is hot; literally, something blazing hot can be "white hot". Black is cool; the cold of space, ash, a piece of wood after it's been burnt, etc.


I agree with this.

Ask yourself, though: does it really seem likely that in this franchise, they would introduce the concept of a super-powerful critter that is, literally, evil? That exists only to cause pain, suffering and chaos? And on the basis of a mere color/shade at that?

zeno48
9th April 2010, 7:04 AM
Demanding will make it come quicker.

I came back from the store and right before going to sleep i check serebii to here the news. I was a little excited but sad to not have any info but all in good time i guess.

Skeptical about what? We don't know anything yet.

They went from colors to metals and gem stones and going back to colors and i want to know if that is the actual trend that it will follow. Maybe not but i was just a little thrown off by these announcements.

Neither did Red and Green. Or Gold and Silver. Or Ruby and Sapphire. Or Diamond and Pearl.

You are correct but maybe the colors mean it will incorporate light and dark as a theme for these games. I know it's speculation but that is the only thing in my mind.

Danitsku
9th April 2010, 7:05 AM
fer a time there i was thinking theyd call the next gen games something like pokemon bronze, copper, and chrome. but this, this is soooooooooo much better. =)

PokeRemixStudio
9th April 2010, 7:11 AM
I think the gen-5 names are very practical.

fer a time there i was thinking theyd call the next gen games something like pokemon bronze, copper, and chrome. but this, this is soooooooooo much better. =)
I think chrome would still be a cool choice for a 3rd following game.

zeno48
9th April 2010, 7:14 AM
I think chrome would still be a cool choice for a 3rd following game.
I think a good balance for black and white is obviously gray but i wouldnt mind chrome. I call gray for the third installment though lol.

hello moto
9th April 2010, 7:20 AM
I'll probably get Black Version Spoiler:- spoiler:

Show Spoiler

Because it's longer

Haha, nice

Well black and white do sound quite bland, but it does have a sense of mystique in it.
And i like the idea of the main legend being associated with the name of the games )the whole good vs. evil thing)
It's ironic how Zoroark was the first pokemon to be released from the 5th gen (A dark type) and then they reveal the games to be called Black and White.

DBK
9th April 2010, 7:20 AM
Ask yourself, though: does it really seem likely that in this franchise, they would introduce the concept of a super-powerful critter that is, literally, evil? That exists only to cause pain, suffering and chaos? And on the basis of a mere color/shade at that?

I agree. That is something they won't do. But what about the possibility of a corrupted/twisted pokemon? Like Mewtwo? That could be the mascot/main legendary for the black version, and a sacred/pure legendary could be the mascot/main legendary of the white version. Just a thought.

lol I just had a flashback to the shadow pokemon of the Colosseum games :)

Danitsku
9th April 2010, 7:21 AM
yesh, gray does in fact seem practical. but....pokemon surprised us by goin back to the colors. by "reborn" i hope they arent changing the simplistic style of gameplay such as level up, gym leaders, etc. i would quit the pokemonz here and now if they did that. welllll to say the least i'd be ******. insert FUUUUUUUUUUU picture here. >.<

Danitsku
9th April 2010, 7:22 AM
yesh, gray does in fact seem practical. but....pokemon surprised us by goin back to the colors. by "reborn" i hope they arent changing the simplistic style of gameplay such as level up, gym leaders, etc. i would quit the pokemonz here and now if they did that. welllll to say the least i'd be ******. insert FUUUUUUUUUUU picture here. >.<

slowkingsley
9th April 2010, 7:27 AM
Since I knew about the trademarks, Black and White are the titles I thought were the most likely (although I predicted something else, just to be different) mainly because they were the names that had the most obvious choice for interesting themes, which can be used for the title legendaries.

Light/Dark - Pokemon that control Day/Night or Light/Shadows
Yin/Yang - A pokemon duo that create a harmonious balance, which if disrupted (ie through the meddling of the evil team) can cause problems.
Pandas/Zebras - Ok maybe not, but pandas and zebras are cool!

As for the third version, I think it is too early to pencil in Grey as the title (or to be talking about it at all) as I think it really depends on what the the name and design of the third legendary mascot will be. I personally can see the possibility of Brown being the third version and it being a psychic/dark/fighting major legendary trio (possibly with a second typing). Although I like the simplicity of Black and White as the titles, I think it is too obvious for the third version to be Grey.

In regards to the possible racial overtones of the of the titles, I don't get it. Black and White are colours (technically I know they are shades, but classifying them as colours works better) that as mentioned earlier are polar opposites that can work with so many different themes that have nothing to do with skin colour.

1. In Japan most people are neither black or white, so for the Japanese market this is basically a non-issue.
2. I think it is more worrying the number of people who say that it could be a problem, without having a problem with it themselves. I'm not sure if this is due to racially devisive culture still existing or political correctness gone mad, but all it does is add fuel to those who who wish to make an issue of it.
3. Whichever title has more sales is usually due to whichever title mascot is more popular and I can see no reason why it would be any different this gen.

Now that is over, I can sit back and wait patiently for further news.

KurowaSan
9th April 2010, 7:31 AM
Pokebeach says the trademark is Pokemon Grey. Dosen't really matter though. With Black and White, it's almost certain that the third one will be called Gray/Grey.

Well, actually the trademark is ポケットモンスターグレー. And that could be read either as Gray or Grey.

ForeverFlame
9th April 2010, 7:31 AM
I changed my mind about Gray. My current guess is Crimson. Black/White/Crimson would be incredibly badass, don't you think?

And Masuda keeps going on about how this generation will be an inventive rebirth, whatever the hell that means. As long as it's darker and edgier, I'm down with it.

Wulava
9th April 2010, 7:41 AM
Pokémon goes monochrome.

Hehe... I thought they would go with <something>Black and <something>White.
Regardless, I'm totally fine with it. Woohoo! Can't wait for other info to come soon.

talala
9th April 2010, 7:43 AM
Pokémon goes monochrome.

Hehe... I thought they would go with <something>Black and <something>White.
Regardless, I'm totally fine with it. Woohoo! Can't wait for other info to come soon.

those will be the remakes in a decade or so, the names have never been 2 words except for remakes

Indragon
9th April 2010, 7:58 AM
Ask yourself, though: does it really seem likely that in this franchise, they would introduce the concept of a super-powerful critter that is, literally, evil? That exists only to cause pain, suffering and chaos? And on the basis of a mere color/shade at that?

No, no. I didn't mean to say that they'd introduce a Pokemon that was pure evil through and through. More of a Pokemon that has been demonically twisted and driven to evil and chaos due to the version's evil team. I was actually agreeing more about the part where the poster said that Black and White represent the classic war between good and evil very well.


I changed my mind about Gray. My current guess is Crimson. Black/White/Crimson would be incredibly badass, don't you think?

And Masuda keeps going on about how this generation will be an inventive rebirth, whatever the hell that means. As long as it's darker and edgier, I'm down with it.

Crimson? I admit all we can do now is speculate, but that doesn't even sound logical whereas Gray made some sense at least.

Chrome FTW!


those will be the remakes in a decade or so, the names have never been 2 words except for remakes

lol remakes. <something>Black and the like are probably reserved for that though, like you said.

Lucario At Service
9th April 2010, 7:59 AM
I can't say much about the games only based on the names of them but since they are using the name Black & White i think it is most likely related to the balance of power between the two opposing forces of Yin-Yang but as they can't name the games as Yin & Yang they choose the colour names which close to them.

Also by the looks of the game names, it seems that the legendary pokemon of the Dark version might be related to Dark or Ghost types where as for Light it would be related to Psychic or Electric or Fire type.

Also if they create an issue in America or any other place regarding the names of this new games being related to racism, then i would consider them to be the most idiotic peoples in the whole world, seriously.

Edit:- I don't know if anyone mentioned this but it seems that "Junichi Masuda" has updated his blog with info about the games (but from google's translation it doesn't seem to be that important, but i think it would be better if someone who knows japanese can confirm what is written in it).
Link:- http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/

lilboiibubblez
9th April 2010, 7:59 AM
I changed my mind about Gray. My current guess is Crimson. Black/White/Crimson would be incredibly badass, don't you think?

Pokemon Crimson does sound pretty rad, I would much prefer that over grey.

Indragon
9th April 2010, 8:08 AM
Also if they create an issue in America or any other place regarding the names of this new games being related to racism, then i would consider them to be the most idiotic peoples in the whole world, seriously.

Yes, seriously, they are just colours!

ungulateman
9th April 2010, 8:15 AM
Well.

Odd names. I guess Nintendo didn't want to confuse people by going to far into the precious gems (Agate / Chalcedony anyone?), but really, unexpected.

Loving the contrasted logos though.

Ash-kid
9th April 2010, 8:22 AM
Nime names. I really wonder what does it mean Black and White, really interesting.

Also the pokemon logo seems different, but i already like it.

Archangel
9th April 2010, 8:25 AM
Personally I just think they are trying to get back to their roots and use colors for the names of the games instead of what they have been doing.

42
9th April 2010, 8:43 AM
Personally I just think they are trying to get back to their roots and use colors for the names of the games instead of what they have been doing.

I think they also mean abandoning the idea of making the plot force you to fight the cover legendary, which they've done in every game since Ruby and Sapphire (except FRLG).

Ultimate Glalie
9th April 2010, 8:45 AM
Pokemon Black and White, huh? Interesting names. I honestly didn't expect Nintendo to start using colours for names again.

The logos look pretty awesome, too.

Synn
9th April 2010, 8:46 AM
I'm just curious as to what they're going to call the Third Game. Pokemon Gray or Pokemon Brown? Pfft.

They do sound weird, but it might not be grey, as Red Blue and Yellow are primary colours and if mixed it would be Red Blue and Purple xD
So Brown seems more likely but it sounds awful >.>

xmikeyxlikesitx
9th April 2010, 8:47 AM
The names are really the colors:

ブラック - burakku (black)
ホワイト - howaito (white)


I keep seeing this almost sort of...chessboard theme.

I'd really be stoked if the legendary Pokémon were based off of chess pieces...knight, bishop, rook...hmm.



I'll be getting White. I seem to never follow the crowd. I think White reminds me of the Room of Awakening...

thomas477
9th April 2010, 8:51 AM
+1, but prehaps this generation could be called the "Shades" generation, following on from the Colours, Metals, Gems and Precious Things?

{(•)___(•)}
9th April 2010, 9:02 AM
I think this is very uncreative of Gamefreak to use such names.

(Btw, this isn't going to cause racial problems. Black is a COLOR!)YEAH! How unoriginal! Why don't you come up with your own ideas, Gamefreak??

They should have called them Pokemon Schnazelintafel and Porukiponopolis! That's much more creative.

HAHAHAHA sigged. On a related note, I actually really like the titles. I think they started to go overboard with the whole diamond and pearl thing.

Lorde
9th April 2010, 9:05 AM
Hopefully this doesn't mean too much change. It would be nice to get some new features but not to the point where we'd have to ask "is this really Pokemon?". White and black. I like how they've finally incorporated what appears to be good and evil to the game titles right off the bat instead of us having to guess. Not sure which version appeals to me yet, I probably won't decide until I see how the cover Pokemon look like.

AstralEon
9th April 2010, 9:07 AM
Black and White.
Dark and Light.
Taint and Pure.
Yin and Yang.

Lots of different names to come up with than just Black and White.

Still, black and white is not so bad for a Pokemon game name. I can get use to it.

halloweenghost
9th April 2010, 9:07 AM
I still think it is possible it could be about evil vs good pokemon now I have no proof whatsoever but it was said that you;d think... this is pokemon? but they never have truly evil, so who knows until we know more..

I'll be getting white version as i almost always get the secondary version.

vipsoccermaster
9th April 2010, 9:09 AM
Interesting. White and Black are quite unusual, but not so much. I may be leading towards White, but I still want both versions, whatever it might be in the future.

DarkerShining
9th April 2010, 9:10 AM
So, they're back to colours? That's interesting.

*Has a strange mental image of the game looking like one of those old silent movies...*

SmoG878
9th April 2010, 9:13 AM
oh oh! lets do that whole 'word association' thing and try analyze these games as much as possible. Now, red and blue had absolutely nothing to do with the games themselves, so that might also apply here.

That 'chessboard' theme is clever, but what does it represent? 2 sides? war? dividing among all pokemon?

I think that these new games will try to impose a new mechanic of good or bad on pokemon. Sorta like shadow pokemon, but on ds. That'd be cool :D

Grassmen
9th April 2010, 9:15 AM
I have to say, I think the names are great. I was really dreading the use of all these random gemstones, so a simplistic black and white is great in my opinion :)

Fissure1
9th April 2010, 9:16 AM
Hopefully they will eventually start naming them after Animals

Pokemon Dog/Pokemon Cat
Pokemon Cat/Pokemon Mouse
Pokemon Bear/Pokemon Tree

Pokemon Mouse/Pokemon Keyboard
Pokemon Key/Pokemon Door

Pokemon Myspace/Pokemon Facebook

They have so many horrible names they can use, it's only the start.

BCVM22
9th April 2010, 9:16 AM
I think that these new games will try to impose a new mechanic of good or bad on pokemon.

Which falls into the same category of unfeasibility as does the concept of an "evil" Legendary.

I think the chessboard thing is quite feasible, actually, as it would have two contrasting themes of opposite hue (or shade, yes, yes, we get it) but of no inherent moral value or lack thereof for either.

K-B-K
9th April 2010, 9:16 AM
I like Black and White. I prefer colours for names. I hated Diamond and Pearl because they don't really go together.

Indragon
9th April 2010, 9:17 AM
I'll be getting white version as i almost always get the secondary version.

Actually, Black will probably be the secondary version.

Anyway, I agree about all that going back to the roots of Pokemon stuff.

Takaru
9th April 2010, 9:19 AM
Aw these are the Cutest names for Pokemon games ever. I like them. This makes me wanna play 5th Gen now, even though I wasn't planning to too.

Ash-kid
9th April 2010, 9:20 AM
Black and White.
Dark and Light.
Taint and Pure.
Yin and Yang.

Lots of different names to come up with than just Black and White.

Still, black and white is not so bad for a Pokemon game name. I can get use to it.

They probably wanted to do something which is totally contrary to each other, as they've done in Hoenn and Sinnoh. it's actually very nice to do so again.

Apparently these are the two legendary pokemon . I wonder if Black would have the white background behind the back of the cover, even in the game itself.

42
9th April 2010, 9:23 AM
Actually, Black will probably be the secondary version.

Anyway, I agree about all that going back to the roots of Pokemon stuff.

By secondary, you mean the one that sells less, correct?
If so, its going to be white. I garuntee it.

Lorde
9th April 2010, 9:25 AM
By secondary, you mean the one that sells less, correct?
If so, its going to be white. I garuntee it.

How are you inferring that White will sell less? I don't understand, I was under the impression that people bought the gam ewith the prettiest picture on the box or the one with their favorite character and as of yet, we don't know what Pokemon will be on the cover art. I don't see any difference between White and Black yet. It's still too unclear.

Fissure1
9th April 2010, 9:27 AM
By secondary, you mean the one that sells less, correct?
If so, its going to be white. I garuntee it.

It depends on the job

i kid, i kid

Master_of_grass
9th April 2010, 9:27 AM
Third game= Pokemon Grey ftw

A.I.P.
9th April 2010, 9:28 AM
Hopefully they will eventually start naming them after Animals

Pokemon Dog/Pokemon Cat
Pokemon Cat/Pokemon Mouse
Pokemon Bear/Pokemon Tree

Pokemon Mouse/Pokemon Keyboard
Pokemon Key/Pokemon Door

Pokemon Myspace/Pokemon Facebook

They have so many horrible names they can use, it's only the start.

Please, PLEASE tell me this was sarcasm?

Dragonite
9th April 2010, 9:29 AM
Depends how you define "Secondary". In the order of names, it'll probably be Black/White (or B/W). As for selling points, who knows.

But I can't see them being advertised at all as "White & Black version!", simply because "Black & White" is the general order people put them in.

TheLupineOne
9th April 2010, 9:29 AM
Is this a 130 point infraction? If not how many points? You aught to point this out, bobandbill.
This is what should be a 130 point infraction: Racism.

On topic, those logos look... this generation Pokémon goes Darker than what we love.
I guess Masuda was right!

Fissure1
9th April 2010, 9:29 AM
Please, PLEASE tell me this was sarcasm?

No, i really think those are great names

King Shuckle
9th April 2010, 9:31 AM
Have the lot of you taken complete leave of your senses? Here I was enjoying this new announcement about the new games, and I come in here and see the fellow dullards clamoring about racism, and others slummocking their way in here and talking about evil Pokemon. GIVE. ME. A. BREAK. Black and white and colors, shades, whatever. Nothing more. Damn you Konami. People have been saying the whole Dark Magician/Black Magician thing is race-related and I bet that's why they are complaining about this. It's a stupid argument guys. Can't we just peacefully enjoy the news as it comes? Please? With a cherry on top and sprinkles and whipped cream and a topless Vin Diesel?

Lucario At Service
9th April 2010, 9:32 AM
White and black. I like how they've finally incorporated what appears to be good and evil to the game titles right off the bat instead of us having to guess.

I still think it is possible it could be about evil vs good pokemon now I have no proof whatsoever but it was said that you;d think... this is pokemon? but they never have truly evil, so who knows until we know more..
Just because the name has Black & White and is supposed to be based on the concept of Yin-Yang doesn't mean they represent Good & Evil.

The concept of Yin & Yang or Black & White representing Good & Evil is a baseless concept from the beginning.
They are just opposite forces, both of them are neither good nor evil (white can be as much evil as black can & similarly black can be as much good as white can).
Black & White are same as the opposing forces of Water & Fire is. So would we also compare them as being good or evil.
Powers or Forces from the beginning have never been good or evil in there own nature, its the people who have made them like that.

So, what i am trying to say is that, the name Black & White is not going to bring in the concept of Bad or Evil pokemons in the series.

panas
9th April 2010, 9:32 AM
I think the names black and white are the opposite maybe in the one you could be the good and in the other the bad

s2daam
9th April 2010, 9:33 AM
I think Black and White are great names... simple... but to me they sound like these games are gonna be serious and sound like something BIG is going to happen. I think that this like someone said above that evil and good pokemon could be incoperated into this game, which would really boost Pokemon. Can;t wait for more info to be honest

BCVM22
9th April 2010, 9:33 AM
On topic, those logos look... this generation Pok&#233;mon goes Darker than what we love.

Or it could be that you're doing your usual cymbal-monkey act and jumping to an absolutely baseless conclusion.

Yeah, let's go with that.


I guess Masuda was right!

Particularly since you don't seem to be at all concerned as to what he actually said, as best as translation can tell us, and instead seem more intent on twisting those words to fit your own warped thought processess.

Give it a rest - we have the quota of mindlessness already well in hand.


but to me they sound like these games are gonna be serious and sound like something BIG is going to happen.

This. This is why we can't have nice things. We get a pair of names and logos and already people are preparing themselves for the Pok&#233;mon Rapture.


I think that this like someone said above that evil and good pokemon could be incoperated into this game

The concept of which we've already discussed and determined that it runs contrary to everything they've ever done in this franchise.


which would really boost Pokemon.

You're going to have to explain this one. "EVIL" Pok&#233;mon would provide a "boost"... how, exactly? And Pok&#233;mon needs a "boost"... why, exactly?

EspeonMaster
9th April 2010, 9:33 AM
The name is fine. What really intrigues me is the content, what do you think?

42
9th April 2010, 9:33 AM
How are you inferring that White will sell less? I don't understand, I was under the impression that people bought the gam ewith the prettiest picture on the box or the one with their favorite character and as of yet, we don't know what Pokemon will be on the cover art. I don't see any difference between White and Black yet. It's still too unclear.

Okay. Who accounts for 90% of the sales? 10 year old boys.
You are a ten year old boy. What color is cooler? Black, the evil version, or white, the good version? Black, obviously. Even though black won't be evil, its color will still seem cool and "evil" to a 10 year old boy.

EspeonMaster
9th April 2010, 9:35 AM
Someone is taking his pokemon names a little too seriously.

Quoted For Truth.



Hey. None of that. Talking about the games. Are you crazy?

It was a rhetorical question.

Takaru
9th April 2010, 9:39 AM
I can't wait til the actual speculation of these games starts on the forums :>

that should be a LOAD of fun.

As for the names go. I think its cute that there going back to colors, reminds me of the R/B/G/Y when pokemon looked so ugly as sprites!

Ash-kid
9th April 2010, 9:41 AM
Black & White are same as the opposing forces of Water & Fire is. So would we also compare them as being good or evil.
Powers or Forces from the beginning have never been good or evil in there own nature, its the people who have made them like that.

So, what i am trying to say is that, the name Black & White is not going to bring in the concept of Bad or Evil pokemons in the series.
I actually thought that immediately when I saw the name of the game. But maybe you're right about that it should not be like that in any generation.
Maybe because Black is usually the dark type, people thought it is the "evil" one and the White is like the "good" one. It's probably wasn't true and they (and the games) will be equal as well.

BCVM22
9th April 2010, 9:43 AM
New stuff are likely to be seen.

New stuff =/= fundamentally changing the concept of the gameplay
New stuff =/= introducing the concept of pure evil to a franchise that goes out of its way to avoid it


Remember the rumor that they were going to use Psychic-Fighting-Dark types gen 4? Well, if that rumor happens gen 5, white could be fighting and black could be dark, and we could have starters instead of legends on the boxes, which would in turn be going back to my previous idea of no longer forcing legendary Pokemon to be battled to advance the plot.

And now, the question of why a baseless rumor from 4-5 years ago has any bearing on the present and the future.

Indragon
9th April 2010, 9:44 AM
Hopefully they will eventually start naming them after Animals

Pokemon Dog/Pokemon Cat
Pokemon Cat/Pokemon Mouse
Pokemon Bear/Pokemon Tree

Pokemon Mouse/Pokemon Keyboard
Pokemon Key/Pokemon Door

Pokemon Myspace/Pokemon Facebook

They have so many horrible names they can use, it's only the start.

I lol'ed but I'm still defending White and Black as great names.


By secondary, you mean the one that sells less, correct?
If so, its going to be white. I garuntee it.

No, I mean the "blue" line of games that comes second in the listing - Blue, Silver, Sapphire, etc.


Depends how you define "Secondary". In the order of names, it'll probably be Black/White (or B/W). As for selling points, who knows.

But I can't see them being advertised at all as "White & Black version!", simply because "Black & White" is the general order people put them in.

Going by the hot/cool colours thing, White would be first, followed by Black but I agree about the fact that it's more natural to say "Black and White".


Is this a 130 point infraction? If not how many points? You aught to point this out, bobandbill.
This is what should be a 130 point infraction: Racism.

On topic, those logos look... this generation Pokémon goes Darker than what we love.
I guess Masuda was right!

Oh, for Arceus' sake, please stop about the racism!!!


Just because the name has Black & White and is supposed to be based on the concept of Yin-Yang doesn't mean they represent Good & Evil.

The concept of Yin & Yang or Black & White representing Good & Evil is a baseless concept from the beginning.
They are just opposite forces, both of them are neither good nor evil (white can be as much evil as black can & similarly black can be as much good as white can).
Black & White are same as the opposing forces of Water & Fire is. So would we also compare them as being good or evil.
Powers or Forces from the beginning have never been good or evil in there own nature, its the people who have made them like that.

So, what i am trying to say is that, the name Black & White is not going to bring in the concept of Bad or Evil pokemons in the series.

Yes, but traditionally, White has been depicted as pure and good while Black has been the colour of deceit and evil.

s2daam
9th April 2010, 9:44 AM
You're going to have to explain this one. "EVIL" Pok&#233;mon would provide a "boost"... how, exactly? And Pok&#233;mon needs a "boost"... why, exactly?

I wasn't saying that. I meant that by a change in story could possibly boost it. And I never said pokemon needs a boost at all, thats your conclusion to my point, I was just mearly saying it could bring in more people. I'm not starting arguments that was just my thought, I am allowed to think aren't I? Then when the real info comes out I can be prooved wrong...

SoulSilverMstr411
9th April 2010, 9:44 AM
Black & White? I was expecting something off the wall like Zarconia & Aquamarine. But I prefer Black & White.

m190049
9th April 2010, 9:44 AM
Okay. Who accounts for 90&#37; of the sales? 10 year old boys.
You are a ten year old boy. What color is cooler? Black, the evil version, or white, the good version? Black, obviously. Even though black won't be evil, its color will still seem cool and "evil" to a 10 year old boy.

I don't think it's fair to say that Black will do better just because it's a more popular color.
I think which one does also largely depends on the Cover Legend.

Blue is generally a more popular color than red, when it comes to younger boys.
Though, from what I've seen, Ruby is generally more popular than Sapphire.
Reason? Groudon looks fierce and dynamic, with sharp nails and spines.
However, Kyogre looks calm and fluid, as if it slowly gliding. Less appealing to kids.
(Not 100% sure if this is actually true sales-wise, though personally I've seen many more people with Ruby than I have with Sapphire.)

If black ends up with a really ugly Cover Legend, and white has a freakishly awesome one...
I think it'd be fair to say White might get more sales.

EspeonMaster
9th April 2010, 9:45 AM
The developers must think of new ways to keep us buying the Pokemon games.

I am sure there is a huge thing coming. Trust me.

s2daam
9th April 2010, 9:46 AM
For me it will be the Pokemon on the front of the cover that I will go for.

bobandbill
9th April 2010, 9:47 AM
blah blah be sure to not lean towards talking what may be in the games and what starters there amy be or what the plot may be like etc and keep to the discussion of the game names people blah blah blah. =P

Fissure1
9th April 2010, 9:47 AM
The developers must think of new ways to keep us buying the Pokemon games.

I am sure there is a huge thing coming. Trust me.

If it has the name pokemon, people will buy it

Heck, they could have a game where all you do is draw a circle and people would buy it if pokemon were in the title ;)

s2daam
9th April 2010, 9:51 AM
Sorry bobandbill, back-on-topic Erm... my overall opinion is they are great names, although they would have sounded better for the second generation, atleast their being used and I love them.

EspeonMaster
9th April 2010, 9:52 AM
If it has the name pokemon, people will buy it

Heck, they could have a game where all you do is draw a circle and people would buy it if pokemon were in the title ;)

The title does not make the game. The Pokemon campaign has proven to be the best selling campaign the history of gaming has ever known. That can be reversed.

Takaru
9th April 2010, 9:53 AM
White isn't a cool color and Black isn't a warm color there neutral just like Gray.
The whole debate about light vs dark go to affiliation black is typically seen as an
evil color its dark, negative, White is the color of purity untainted, unspoiled, good.
So don't expect people to not think about evil vs. good when thinking of these names.

I don't know about sales via Pokemon games but warmer colors attract people,
Stop signs, fast food places, advertisements, etc.

EspeonMaster
9th April 2010, 9:55 AM
White isn't a cool color and Black isn't a warm color there neutral just like Gray.
The whole debate about light vs dark go to affiliation black is typically seen as an
evil color its dark, negative, White is the color of purity untainted, unspoiled, good.
So don't expect people to not think about evil vs. good when thinking of these names.

I don't know about sales via Pokemon games but warmer colors attract people,
Stop signs, fast food places, advertisements, etc.

Words of wisdom. I agree.


It will only reverse when pokemon dies

like i said, put pokemon into the name and it will sell

You didn't quite get me. Pokemon games are great and that is why they are selling millions of copies. The title contributes too, however if the content gets spoiled by the developers the title itself can do little.

Tyranitar trainer
9th April 2010, 9:56 AM
Nice names.
Hopefully a step back in the names department will also signal a step forward in the originality department

BCVM22
9th April 2010, 9:56 AM
White isn't a cool color and Black isn't a warm color there neutral just like Gray.

Not true at all. Again, there are any manner of ways in biology, nature, physics and any number of other fields in which white is a representation of warmth to some degree and black is a representation for lack of warmth.

NES
9th April 2010, 10:01 AM
There is a lot of speculation mostly about pokemon black, i think said color doesn't imply anything by itself :/ so let's just stick to these being cool names (i believe that) for pokemon games.

I'm glad they went back to colors instead of more minerals/metals, it's a nice thing for a fresh gen.

Indragon
9th April 2010, 10:01 AM
I don't think it's fair to say that Black will do better just because it's a more popular color.
I think which one does also largely depends on the Cover Legend.

Blue is generally a more popular color than red, when it comes to younger boys.
Though, from what I've seen, Ruby is generally more popular than Sapphire.
Reason? Groudon looks fierce and dynamic, with sharp nails and spines.
However, Kyogre looks calm and fluid, as if it slowly gliding. Less appealing to kids.
(Not 100% sure if this is actually true sales-wise, though personally I've seen many more people with Ruby than I have with Sapphire.)

If black ends up with a really ugly Cover Legend, and white has a freakishly awesome one...
I think it'd be fair to say White might get more sales.

Blue = red in popularity imo.

Yeah, Ruby had more sales than Sapphire but that was probably because of it being the "primary" game and because of Groudon, not because of the colour. Though I prefer Sapphire =P

However, if there are decent cover legendaries in both versions, heck even if the Black one isn't as good but represents Black and darkness properly, I'd be inclined to think it'd to better sales-wise.


The developers must think of new ways to keep us buying the Pokemon games.

I am sure there is a huge thing coming. Trust me.

If your "new thing" consists of playing as an evil guy, then forget it.


If it has the name pokemon, people will buy it

Heck, they could have a game where all you do is draw a circle and people would buy it if pokemon were in the title ;)

lol, you're right to an extent (note: drawing circles, not an actual game like Ranger), but I wouldn't.

Oh, did I mention how awesome a game Ranger is?


The title does not make the game. The Pokemon campaign has proven to be the best selling campaign the history of gaming has ever known. That can be reversed.

Because they've stuck to their formula.

Indragon
9th April 2010, 10:03 AM
Set in the past? Games in black-and-white?

At least the first one's possible.

s2daam
9th April 2010, 10:03 AM
Looking at a Japanese trademark database, the names were first requested to be trademarks on April 10th, 2009 along with a few other colors that have not been used yet (like Grey, Crimson, and Scarlet). Why choose black and white though? Why a return to colors... why basic colors? Maybe the games take place in the past? Maybe the colors have nothing to do with anything? We'll find out all the basic info soon, so be sure to keep checking back!

From PokeBeach, sorry for being off-topic, but I though everyone might like to know.

BCVM22
9th April 2010, 10:05 AM
From PokeBeach, this kinda prooves the Grey theory, sorry for being off-topic, but I though everyone might like to know.

It doesn't prove anything in and of itself. If we were to sit here and list every name ever trademarked by the rightsholder of a property and then not used, we'd be here forever. It's standard business practice, particularly with a franchise as widespread and as lucrative as Pok&#233;mon, and doesn't mean a thing on its own.

If we could divine the future just from sifting through trademark databases, we wouldn't need speculation threads.

Lorde
9th April 2010, 10:06 AM
I like how the logo for White is on a black background and the logo for Black is on a white background. Contrast, it makes everything look really futuristic, to me at least. I want to buy the games for that reason alone. I guess that's what they expect out of fans, right? Good marketing strategy.

Will-powered Spriter
9th April 2010, 10:08 AM
Simply from the names and the logo, I get the feeling (and it is no more then that) that this generation is going to be maturer. Not maturer as in blood, gore, violence, swearing and evil, but as in classier, and a little less childish.

water trainer
9th April 2010, 10:08 AM
I doubt it will be set in the past, cause then we wouldn't have Pokeballs, and Pokedex, Contests and Pokethlon etc...things that are recent and new.
Perhaps it has something to do with time, maybe there's a part in the game you travel back in time, that would be cool.

I'm pretty sure Gray will be the 3rd game, but at the same time Black, White, Crimson also fits...

Fissure1
9th April 2010, 10:12 AM
I doubt it will be set in the past, cause then we wouldn't have Pokeballs, and Pokedex, Contests and Pokethlon etc...things that are recent and new.
Perhaps it has something to do with time, maybe there's a part in the game you travel back in time, that would be cool.

I'm pretty sure Gray will be the 3rd game, but at the same time Black, White, Crimson also fits...

The starter pokemon can now be Celebi, he will be non-tradable and will follow you around like pikachu, and you can use time travel to go between time periods

i am full of such good idea's tonight, i really need to come here more

Takaru
9th April 2010, 10:18 AM
Not true at all. Again, there are any manner of ways in biology, nature, physics and any number of other fields in which white is a representation of warmth to some degree and black is a representation for lack of warmth.

Speaking on the base of color theory when one uses the concept of Warm/Cool colors they don't use representation, they use the emotions a person gets when looking at a color or being around it.
Warm Colors tend to attract a person it shows action, and energy like the color red, orange or yellow.
Cool Colors relax, calm, sooth a person like your blues, purples, greens.

True, Black and White can represent a number of things with other fields, but in color theory which is what most people seem to relate the Pokemon box color names to Warm/Cool, Black and White can be neither based on the color theory on how people react when being around certain colors or seeing it without any added representation or altering.

Celebitwo
9th April 2010, 10:23 AM
am i the only one thinking that nintendo or gamefreak could be in trouble by using the color black?(like what happened with jinx.)maybe some fans will have a different impact with the colors?

If they get in trouble for using the colour black they can get in trouble for using white, which is why I dont think it will happen as it balances out. Racism works both ways

Fissure1
9th April 2010, 10:25 AM
If they get in trouble for using the colour black they can get in trouble for using white, which is why I dont think it will happen as it balances out. Racism works both ways

Jynx was only because people saw her as a racist portrayal of a black woman, or something to that extent

CodeG
9th April 2010, 10:34 AM
Stop being overly sensitive.

BLACK is not a racial color. WHITE is not a racial color. (technically they're no colors and all the colors but lets ignore that).

They're just freakin' colors. There is no reason why they should ever consider changing the names.



They will NOT get in trouble for using the color black.

Indragon
9th April 2010, 10:36 AM
Pokemon LeafGreen and Pokemon FireRed included black and white scenes when you started the game. Just to show what happened previously on your journey. Kinda cool.

I like how the logo for White is on a black background and the logo for Black is on a white background. Contrast, it makes everything look really futuristic, to me at least. I want to buy the games for that reason alone.

Yeah, but those were just flashblacks. Flashbacks are almost always depicted in black-and-white/sepia; all I'm saying is that the main game won't be.

And yeah, the logos look really cool!


I doubt it will be set in the past, cause then we wouldn't have Pokeballs, and Pokedex, Contests and Pokethlon etc...things that are recent and new.
Perhaps it has something to do with time, maybe there's a part in the game you travel back in time, that would be cool.

However much in the past the game is set in, it will always be modern enough to have Pokeballs, a Pokedex and several other vital things. Contests/Pokeathlon may be there, or they may not, but they could easily be replaced.


I'm pretty sure Gray will be the 3rd game, but at the same time Black, White, Crimson also fits...

You're sure that it'll be Gray? Wow.

And I'm asking this because I'm unclear about the topic, how does Crimson fit in with Black and White?


Speaking on the base of color theory when one uses the concept of Warm/Cool colors they don't use representation, they use the emotions a person gets when looking at a color or being around it.
Warm Colors tend to attract a person it shows action, and energy like the color red, orange or yellow.
Cool Colors relax, calm, sooth a person like your blues, purples, greens.

True, Black and White can represent a number of things with other fields, but in color theory which is what most people seem to relate the Pokemon box color names to Warm/Cool, Black and White can be neither based on the color theory on how people react when being around certain colors or seeing it without any added representation or altering.

You're right about warm/cool colours in art in the first part of your post, but here, the issue deals more with if the colour appears hot or cool rather than the emotion it conveys. For example, a heated body (white hot) radiates warmth while being white in colour, indicating that it's hot, "scorching hot", if you will. Darkness, shadows, night-time, all which are close to black have a cool and calm sense to them.

Sponge
9th April 2010, 10:37 AM
I like the names Black & White, the names don't need to be super creative it's what's in the game that counts.....and besides if they went with even more fancy gems people might look at the titles and go "wha?" which they don't want. I think the names are perfectly fine.

As for racism, that's such a daft argument. My schoolbag is black I suppose the makers of it were racist? I had hoped people wouldn't be this silly to bring something like this up. Pokemon is a happy thing, don't bring racism into it unecessarily :(

It's funny how people are taking up so many conclusions from the names alone...since they're just names they share absolutely nothing about what the games will be like.

Pepsi_Plunge
9th April 2010, 10:37 AM
Nice simple names no need for jewelary anymore :D

Fissure1
9th April 2010, 10:40 AM
Nice simple names no need for jewelary anymore :D

Pokemon Necklace and Pokemon Bracelet want a word with you.

Remember everyone, there are two secrets to success:

1. Don't tell all your secrets

SnorlaxRules
9th April 2010, 10:42 AM
I dont know why but 'black and white' seems a bit of an anticlimax, but then again there aren't many more you could go for
red
blue
green
yellow
gone in the 'normal' colours, these are the four that most people think of orange and purple wouldn't have cut the ice
Silver
Gold
Crystal
Ruby
Sapphire
Emerald
Pearl
Diamond
Platinum
Are all gone as precious substances as well as Jade thanks to rip-offs, there aren't many well know substances left Opal and, theres nothing well known left (dont quote me on that)
Then they have used
Darkness
Light
Sky
Blaze
Time
Storms
as concepts in other pokemon games, all thats left, really, without getting too obscure is black and white, which i guess is why they have gone for them, but still, Pokemon Black and Pokemon White seem a bit :/ I'm sure they'll grow on me though

water trainer
9th April 2010, 10:43 AM
You're sure that it'll be Gray? Wow.

And I'm asking this because I'm unclear about the topic, how does Crimson fit in with Black and White?

How does Platinum fit with Diamond And Pearl? how does Crystal fit with Gold And Silver?....

SnorlaxRules
9th April 2010, 10:47 AM
The thrid game i think will probably be one extreme or another so it'll be either grey or rainbow, although rainbow connotes Ho-oh so it probably wont be that

lilboiibubblez
9th April 2010, 10:47 AM
And I'm asking this because I'm unclear about the topic, how does Crimson fit in with Black and White?

Well the way I see it (and maybe he sees it this way also) is when individuals decide to be all artsy with their photographs, paintings and what have you, they use only black, white and all red objects are red. I hope you understand what I mean.
That's where I make the connection.

SnorlaxRules
9th April 2010, 10:49 AM
Red is certainly often juxtapositioned with black and white, BUT there is already a Pokemon Red (like the joke whats black, white and red all over ; a newspaper, a sunburned penguin etc, its used more often than most people realise)

Fissure1
9th April 2010, 10:49 AM
Well the way I see it (and maybe he sees it this way also) is when individuals decide to be all artsy with their photographs, paintings and what have you, they use only black, white and all red objects are red. I hope you understand what I mean.
That's where I make the connection.

You just described 80% of the self-portraits on myspace

Displeased Owl
9th April 2010, 10:51 AM
for some reason the names black and white seem like they're going back to simpler times - like they don't seem overly glammed up like diamond and pearl and all those other jewels. this may be the turning point where they remove all the stuff that isn't great (super contests, poffin, IN MY OPINION). like going back to a simpler story likein rbygsc instead of going all world domination on us :p

or the fact that they're going back to simple colours may signal a whole new change in the game, either way it sounds just awesome!

Ash-kid
9th April 2010, 10:54 AM
Stop being overly sensitive.

BLACK is not a racial color. WHITE is not a racial color. (technically they're no colors and all the colors but lets ignore that).

They're just freakin' colors. There is no reason why they should ever consider changing the names.



They will NOT get in trouble for using the color black.

Right. The only thing it will do is to help black and white people to live together better.
I wonder what will be the anime saga's name. Diamond & Pearl was very good name so it was also the anime name, but I'm not sure about if Black & White can be the anime saga's name. Maybe it will be something else like they did with RS that changed to AG.

Indragon
9th April 2010, 10:55 AM
How does Platinum fit with Diamond And Pearl? how does Crystal fit with Gold And Silver?....

Platinum fits in because it has the same kind of luster as diamonds and pearls.

Crystal...I admit, it is a bit random but I think they were going with valuable stuff and something like that which wasn't directly related to precious metals (to indicate that the game was more different) seemed suitable to them.

The fact is, whenever they've directly used colours as names (as in RBY), all three colours were logically related. I'm not saying Crimson would be a bad name, but it doesn't fit in logically whereas Gray does make more sense.

Ivysaur_
9th April 2010, 11:00 AM
I can't see America and the UK letting these names go due to political correctness.
In my belief they will be changed to Light and Dark

CodeG
9th April 2010, 11:01 AM
Every single version I have guessed was coming. So have many other people. There's clear patterns. It's nothing impressive.

The only thing anyone should be concerned about is if they don't predict exactly what version is coming next.

Halle
9th April 2010, 11:02 AM
While i'd love to read a lot into the names... (black and white is usually said when thinking about law...) which could mean we get a darker story, or maby even a split story (yea dream on) but thinking back on the other names, the names have never actually mattered story wise.

So in the end, i think we're getting two games on the same formula as allways.

BM14murph
9th April 2010, 11:06 AM
I agree i think the us western people will change the names they wouldn't want it going back to basics after having metals jewels crystals and the like

I expected black and white like 8 or 9 years ago around the time of gold and silver over here. I wonder what their reasoning is to go back to basics?

I'd say it will be Light and Dark like somebody else said

Indragon
9th April 2010, 11:12 AM
Well the way I see it (and maybe he sees it this way also) is when individuals decide to be all artsy with their photographs, paintings and what have you, they use only black, white and all red objects are red. I hope you understand what I mean.
That's where I make the connection.

Oh, I'm still not sure. I admit those three colours are generally used but technically, there isn't really a relation. Anyway, at least Black/White/Crimson sound good when you say them together =P

Another thing to be noted, as already mentioned, is that since we already have a Red version, Crimson would be unlikely.


I can't see America and the UK letting these names go due to political correctness.
In my belief they will be changed to Light and Dark

You mean like how there are light-skinned people and dark-skinned people.

No, seriously, this racism nonsense has gone on long enough >_>