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mattj
16th August 2010, 11:02 PM
NEWS:

Full Confirmed 2011 VGC Rules, Dates, Locations (http://www.pokemonvgc.com/en)
FIRST CONFIRMED VGC '11 RULES ARE UP MAN THEY'RE UP THEY'ERER UP GO CRAZY MAN GO CRAZY (http://www.pokemon.com/us/organized-play/championship-series/video/)
teammagma.net is holding VGC '11 Practice tourneys every Saturday (unless another tourney on another site is holding one too). Linky. (http://www.teammagma.net/index.php?topic=177.0)
The 2011 Pokemon Video Game National Championship will be held in Indianapolis Indiana on July 8-10. (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3166026&postcount=163)
Pokebeach has released info on the 2011 VGC Rules for Japan (http://pokebeach.com/2010/11/japans-world-qualifier-tournaments-video-game-rules-announced) (which will probably be the same for the US, as has been in years past). They're basically the same as 09 (Doubles, Item/Species Clause, High BST Banlist, etc), but only allowing Issu mons. There are still many unknowns and the complete specifics of these rules have yet to be announced.
2011 VGCs will be played exclusively on Pokemon Black or White Carts.
The 2011 World Championships will take place August 12-14 (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2903498&postcount=118) in San Diego California. (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2903668&postcount=121)
Ray Rizzo, and Yasuki Tochigi both have paid invitations (http://www.pokemonworldchampionships.com/2010/results/vgc/#1_0_0) to the 2011 World Championships.

While that may not seem like a lot of info to go off of, it's a start, and trust me, I'll edit the OP the MOMENT any more info comes in.

RESOURCES:
VGC Style Pokemon is a unique brand of battling. As such, many players who are used to Standard or Tiered play sometimes have a hard time adjusting. As such, here are a few good resources that really helped me become successful at VGC.

A MODEST COLLECTION OF VGC '11 STYLE VIDS (http://skarmbliss.com/forum/index.php?topic=1387.msg15939#msg15939)
INTRODUCTION TO COMPETITIVE BATTLING (http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/intro_comp_pokemon)
EV GUIDE (http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/ev_manual)
THE BEST, MOST IN-DEPTH, COMPREHENSIVE POKEDEX OUT THERE ;) (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/)
DOUBLE BATTLE PRIMER (http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/double_battles)
VGC ANALYSIS FOR NUMEROUS POKEMON (http://skarmbliss.com/forum/index.php?board=6.0)
B/W RESEARCH THREAD (CHANGES FROM PRIOR GENERATIONS) (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79340)
SMOGON 5th Gen RNG THREAD (LEARN TO RNG / GET HELP WITH PROBLEMS) (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52180)
POKEMON ONLINE (BATTLING SIMULATOR) (http://www.pokemon-online.eu/)
#SMOGONWIFI (http://mibbit.com/?channel=%23smogonwifi&server=irc.synirc.net) (AN IRC CHANNEL WHERE VGC STYLE TOURNAMENTS ARE HELD ON SUNDAY AFTERNOONS. CLICK THE LINK, PICK A NICKNAME, AND PRESS GO.)
#SKARMBLISS (http://mibbit.com/?channel=%23skarmbliss&server=irc.synirc.net) (AN IRC CHANNEL WHERE LITERALLY 90% OF THE ENGLISH SPEAKING TOP VGC COMPETITORS HANG OUT, CHAT, BATTLE AND TALK STRATEGY. CLICK THE LINK, PICK A NICKNAME, AND PRESS GO.)
VGC 2010 EVENT INFORMATION (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2604716&postcount=3)(AS A REFERENCE)
VGC 2010 RULES (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2604709&postcount=2) (AS A REFERENCE)
VGC 2009 EVENT INFORMATION (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53500) (AS A REFERENCE)
POKEMON ONLINE, SKARMBLISS VGC '11 SERVER USAGE STATS (http://skarmbliss.com/forum/index.php?topic=837.0
) (WHAT IS BEING USED, HOW OFTEN, WHAT MOVES/ITEMS ETC)
PLAYASIA.COM (http://www.play-asia.com/) (A SITE WHERE YOU CAN IMPORT THE JAPANESE VERSION OF POKEMON GAMES)
If you can think of any other useful links, or need links to anything else that pertains to the 2011 VGCs, just let me know.

Human Being
16th August 2010, 11:37 PM
Thanks, and remember! ZekOgre is the thing to watch out for next year!

TR_Jessie
19th August 2010, 8:44 PM
Can't wait to see the rules for next year! I'll see if I can find something...

jesusfreak94
19th August 2010, 9:04 PM
Hey, do you know what Pokemon he used on his team? I'd like to see a good example of what a VGC team should look like.

mattj
19th August 2010, 9:50 PM
Hey, do you know what Pokemon he used on his team? I'd like to see a good example of what a VGC team should look like.

THIS (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2917591&postcount=538) is a link from the smogon Worlds thread. It's got recordings of the final matches. Ray Rizzo is BRILLIANT!

Human Being
20th August 2010, 4:59 PM
I made the team for Milan Patel (previously known as PokemanMaster now known as CRITICO! on Smogon, had the second most entertaining moment of Worlds, a game winning Shadow Sneak Critical hit that showed up on the TV screen as Un golpe critico! because he was against someone from Spain). He got 14th place, lost a chance of getting into the T8 due to Sheer Cold hitting 4/4 times. That had 0.8% chance of happening! There is a big difference between Nationals/Worlds and the Regionals though. Nationals/Worlds are Swiss Rounds while Regionals is single elimination, so you need ONE strong team for Regionals/LCQ while a more complex team for Nationals/Worlds. At Worlds teams that can work in TR and have TR as well as work outside of TR were doing great this year though. You need to realize that we have no idea how it will work next year though, so we can not make decisions yet.

PungentFruit
21st August 2010, 1:31 AM
hey im already training for triple battles and im psyched for VGC 11!

Human Being
21st August 2010, 1:56 AM
hey im already training for triple battles and im psyched for VGC 11!

Honestly it is much more likely to be doubles than triples for next year. Also you can not train for triple battles already and we do not really know anything about BW. So that isn't really the best thing to do already.

Jegretis
22nd August 2010, 6:33 PM
I am actually hoping for triple battles format. Or maybe rotation battles. I am not sure, but for some reason, I keep thinking they are going to use triple battle format for the tournament. Also, another thing that I noticed is that the Japanese players get a longer time to prepare for the tournament,lol.

mattj
23rd August 2010, 11:55 AM
Nice to meet you Jegretis!

Yeah, unfortunately you do have a point there about the Japanese. It's kind of unfair that they get such a headstart. But at the same time, that can actually be used to our advantage too. Because of the internet, we can pretty much know the rules, and even some of the metagame before even the US rules/dates/locations are released just by watching them and seeing what works for them. Plus, thanks to playasia.com we can order the Japanese Version when it comes out so we can get just as much of a headstart too (as long as you can handle following walkthroughs and translating move names using serebii and stuff).

TerraWolf
24th August 2010, 2:33 PM
I've already got a team in planning for VGC 2011. I'm also planning to make it farther then I did in VGC 2010. Little steps though. Upgrading to use Ubers this year since I chose not to last year.

PungentFruit
24th August 2010, 9:05 PM
Honestly it is much more likely to be doubles than triples for next year. Also you can not train for triple battles already and we do not really know anything about BW. So that isn't really the best thing to do already.

By training i meant that i have already planned teams for next year but it was my bad for it coming out wrong. Anyway if you are in to VGC battling check out the VGC battling social group.

Human Being
24th August 2010, 10:56 PM
by training i meant that i have already planned teams for next year but it was my bad for it coming out wrong. Anyway if u r in to VGC battling check out the VGC battling social group.
Personally I'm going to stick with SkarmBliss and Smogon for that. More people who are interested in the VGC frequent those sites.

HeadOverHeels
24th August 2010, 10:59 PM
Are there are similar events outside of the US? In europe?

Human Being
24th August 2010, 11:09 PM
Yes, it is worldwide other than Africa, Middle East, Australia and most of Asia, unless you participate in TCG you can go to Worlds like that.

mattj
24th August 2010, 11:09 PM
Nice to meet you HeadOverHeels!

And to answer your question, absolutely yes! There have been stops in Britain, Germany, Spain, and France the past two years. This coming season's stops won't be announced for some several months, but it's safe to assume that those stops will most likely re-occur. Click the "VGC 2010 EVENT INFORMATION" and "VGC 2009 EVENT INFORMATION" links in the OP for more information about where and when each stop in Europe was.

Sweep Freak
24th August 2010, 11:15 PM
I'm running a nice team like Rizzo's, but I refrain from using Trick Room. I use Cherrim and pokemon that work well to protect and abuse it at the same time.

Human Being
24th August 2010, 11:23 PM
I'm running a nice team like Rizzo's, but I refrain from using Trick Room. I use Cherrim and pokemon that work well to protect and abuse it at the same time.

You can not make a team already. We do not know what the 5th generation will bring to us. If it will keep the same rules as well. We honestly do not know, also sounds to me more like the team that the Juniors World Champion used.

mattj
24th August 2010, 11:44 PM
I'm running a nice team like Rizzo's, but I refrain from using Trick Room. I use Cherrim and pokemon that work well to protect and abuse it at the same time.


You can not make a team already. We do not know what the 5th generation will bring to us. If it will keep the same rules as well. We honestly do not know, also sounds to me more like the team that the Juniors World Champion used.

Actually, that brings up a pretty good question! What do each of you think/hope the rules will be like next year?

Personally I'm hoping *plzjesusplzjesusplzjesusplzjesus* for 4XDoubles, with a "restricted list" similar to this years, just with all the new pokes. After being pretty successful at both 09 and 10's rules, I kind of like '10. :3

I like Pokemon (...)
24th August 2010, 11:46 PM
Actually, that brings up a pretty good question! What do each of you think/hope the rules will be like next year?

Personally I'm hoping *plzjesusplzjesusplzjesusplzjesus* for 4XDoubles, with a "restricted list" similar to this years, just with all the new pokes. After being pretty successful at both 09 and 10's rules, I kind of like '10. :3
I myself have only gotten interested during '10 VGC, but was unable to enter (line too long). Because of that, I would like a restricted list similar to the '10 one, because I'm somewhat used to it.

mattj
24th August 2010, 11:52 PM
I myself have only gotten interested during '10 VGC, but was unable to enter (line too long). Because of that, I would like a restricted list similar to the '10 one, because I'm somewhat used to it.

What happened?! Which stop did you go to?! I didn't recall anyone in the US getting kept out this year! Guess I didn't hear. :( Sorry.

I like Pokemon (...)
24th August 2010, 11:57 PM
What happened?! Which stop did you go to?! I didn't recall anyone in the US getting kept out this year! Guess I didn't hear. :( Sorry.
Ah, right, sorry, I went to the Birmingham one. I came as early as I could, but it was, like, 12 people over (and that's AFTER they stopped getting people into the line).

It's a shame, really, that they didn't make multiple areas in a places as populated as Britain. Or at least have a MUCH larger cap. We could EASILY have feeled up twice as many people, but oh well. I wouldn't have gotten very far anyway XD.

But with BW coming soon, and Shoddy 2 coming "soon-ish" too (a VGC server could easily be implemented, methinks), I can have plenty of practice there. (I'm waiting for Shoddy 2, mainly because by then, BW should be released, in English at the very least).

Human Being
25th August 2010, 12:21 AM
mattj, two things, first of all we can probably guess what Jesus Ninahiza wants VGC11 to be like. Same rules as VGC10, look how far that got him!

Secondly Newark VGC had over 800 people on line, most amount of people at the regionals.

mattj
25th August 2010, 10:35 PM
One thing that I think really helped me be sucessful at VGC 2010 was the fact that I imported the Japanese Version of Heart Gold. The reason this helped me so much was twofold.

The first and most obvious reason was that it gave me a sizable headstart over my US counterparts. I had pretty much every pokemon I could possibly use RNG'd and waiting before the English version ever came out. I also had access to all the new move-tutors, egg moves, and Legendaries before my fellow US competitors did. While many US competitors were still getting used to Kyogre and Rayquaza, and the new moves, I had already moved on to test new things.

Secondly, playing through the Japanese version, especially the battle tower, forced me to pay attention to very minor details just to get by. Because I couldn't read the text saying what move the opponent's pokemon had used, I had to pay especially close attention to the animations to gather clues about what moves they had, and even what items. This also helped me to focus on important things like counting turns of Trick Room, or Safeguard, because I couldn't read the line of text saying "'X' Effect Has Ended". While many of my fellow competitors lost track of these things by being inattentive, I had already formed habits that kept me in the know.

Because playing the Japanese version was so beneficial to me last year, I'm planning on doing the same thing this year. And if anyone else is interested, I've added a link to the OP to playasia.com, the site I imported from last time, and plan on importing from again.

Jegretis
27th August 2010, 8:09 PM
I might plan on Pre-ordering Black version, but I won't count on it, my parents HATE me doing online stuff. So I guess I will probably just watch the Japanese play on Youtube,lol.

I hope they use the triple battle format, but then the battles will also be longer, as each player will probably need 6 pokemon. Unless they are going to allow 4 pokemon, triple battle format, but that just seems kind of wierd. Also, you guys think that B/W wil have a flat battle format like HGSS did? Cause then the format will have to be like VGC '09.

mattj
27th August 2010, 9:19 PM
yeah i'm sure it'll have the same flat battle set up. That was a real blessing for the VGCs this year. I'm not sure why that would mean we would have '9 rules though.

TR_Jessie
27th August 2010, 10:09 PM
I hope it is 4vs4 doubles with auto leveling again. If the rules were just like this year, but with the black and white editions, it would be perfect.

I like Pokemon (...)
27th August 2010, 10:29 PM
Also, you guys think that B/W wil have a flat battle format like HGSS did? Cause then the format will have to be like VGC '09.
What was the difference? I wasn't around during VGC '09.

Human Being
27th August 2010, 10:45 PM
What was the difference? I wasn't around during VGC '09.

VGC09 was with no restricted list and only a ban list. Meaning the "Ubers" which we were allowed to use this year were banned last year.

cannibaleyes
27th August 2010, 11:59 PM
I'd actually love to compete in this, as i have never been in a video game tournament of any sort, and it would help me feel better about wasting my life playing video games. XD

How do you go about becoming a participant in VGC?

mattj
28th August 2010, 12:23 AM
What was the difference? I wasn't around during VGC '09.
Well concerning the battle system she was talking about, in 09 Platinum only had L50 battles for local wireless. That meant L51 and higher pokemon were excluded. in '10 with HG/SS the game had "Flat Battles" for Local Wireless. That meant L1-50 stayed their normal level and L51-100 were "leveled down" to L50. This added tons of new moves and strategies that weren't available in '09.

How do you go about becoming a participant in VGC?
Oh, just follow the rules online, prepare your team and then show up at any of the events around the world. It's free.

Jegretis
28th August 2010, 12:59 AM
Not to mention, this year there were significantly less amount of Abomasnows on teams, unlike last year, where they were highly over-used. Also, this year's was first-come first-serve, which was better than last year's and I hope they do the FCFS rule again next year for Black and white.

Human Being
28th August 2010, 1:34 AM
Not to mention, this year there were significantly less amount of Abomasnows on teams, unlike last year, where they were highly over-used. Also, this year's was first-come first-serve, which was better than last year's and I hope they do the FCFS rule again next year for Black and white.

Just where did you come up with that!? At the regionals Abomasnow dominated. At Nationals Abomasnow was still overused. Even at WORLDS Abomasnow usage was what I would consider high. I think it was used even MORE this year than last year seeing weather control is much more imporant. Also you can't forget how many people use Blizzard, meaning Abomasnow is even more useful with Ubers with high Special attack!

Jegretis
28th August 2010, 1:40 AM
I actually saw more Tyranitars than Abomasnows. I didn't participate, but I saw the battles at the event, and saw mostly Rain Dance/Abusing teams, or teams centred artound Tyranitar/Steel Types. Also, I know this is kind of off topic, but since we're talking about Abomasnow and all...

Would a Choice Scarf Abomasnow work better than a Trick Room Abomasnow?

Human Being
28th August 2010, 2:13 AM
I actually saw more Tyranitars than Abomasnows. I didn't participate, but I saw the battles at the event, and saw mostly Rain Dance/Abusing teams, or teams centred artound Tyranitar/Steel Types. Also, I know this is kind of off topic, but since we're talking about Abomasnow and all...

Would a Choice Scarf Abomasnow work better than a Trick Room Abomasnow?

Every kind of Abomasnow was used basically by some kind of team. It has its advantages obviously though and so does a slow Abomasnow. I would think that a custom EV spread will work very well with it though so it can work well with Choice Scarf and remain relatively slow without at least in the best 2/3 parts of the VGC.

Also you need to realize that the majority of the people who played did not prepare like the people who ended up doing well. Most of the people used Abomasnow. Also Kyogre and Hitmontop were used because someone known by most who go to Smogon as "zerowing" used it, the (in)famous TopOgre combination.

mattj
28th August 2010, 4:10 AM
Would a Choice Scarf Abomasnow work better than a Trick Room Abomasnow?

I think TR Aboma has a ton of advantages over Scarfed Aboma. That being said, I still think Scarfed Aboma in the back of your team is not a bad idea as long as you have some other kind of TR counter, which is really what Quiet/Brave 0spd Aboma is also there for.

mattj
18th September 2010, 10:43 PM
Hey hey! I'm back! (lol)
Man! So much has happened in the past few weeks!

Taking a VGC Angle at this Tsunami of info that has been revealed I compiled this list of things that caught my eye, and could have serious affects on VGC 2011.

INTERESTING DREAM WORLD ABILITIES:
Venusaur Chlorophyll
Charizard Solar Power (modest, scarfed, hwave/aslash/dpulse/HPGrass70)
Politoed (drizzle wow)
Ninetales (drought)
Hitmonchan (inner focus)
Ampharos (plus)
Blaziken (speed boost)
Manectric (minus)
Sharpedo (speed boost)
Infernape (iron fist boosts CC and FB)
Mebukijika (SERENE GRACE!! WITH A BASE 95 SPEED MUST HAS!!)
Palkia (telepathy*partnercan'thurtyou)
Dialga (telepathy*partnercan'thurtyou)
Zapdos (Lightning Rod immunity+SAtkboost)
Breloom (technician with newly 25each Bullet seed that's a stupidly rediculous amount of damage possible)

INTERESTING NEW MONS:
Hihidaruma (Fire 105/140/ 55/ 30/ 55/ 95, Encourage Ability boosts attacks, probably scarf Jolly 252/252 with Flare Blitz, Superpower, and hopefully 2 Tutors)
Desukan (the defensive mummy poke)
Aakeosu (Rock/ Flying 75/140/ 65/112/ 65/110 WeakKneed unfortunately :/ Jolly Scarf/Sash RockSlide, UTurn, Crunch, Endeavor, Quick Attack)
Ononokusu (Dragon 76/147/ 90/ 60/ 70/ 97 Rivalry/Mold Breaker Jolly Scarf/Sash Outrage/Giga Impact idunno hopefully some good TMS MVTTRs or whatever. :/)
Agirudaa (Bug 80/ 70/ 40/100/ 60/145 Hydration Modest Orb/Specs/Sash BugBuzz, Mega Drain, TMsMVTs)
Kojondo (Fighting 65/125/ 60/ 95/ 60/105 Inner Focus Jolly Orb/Sash Fake Out, Detect, U-Turn, Hi Jump Kick, etc)
Sazando (Dark/ Dragon 92/105/ 90/125/ 90/ 98 Levitate Timid Dragon Pulse, Hyper Voice, TriAttack, TMs&TTrs)
Urugamosu (Bug/ Fire 85/ 60/ 65/135/105/100 Flame Body Timid Scarf/Specs/Orb BugBuzz, Heatwave, M476*likefollowme, M476*specialflying120)
Terakion (Rock/Fighting 91/129/ 90/ 72/ 90/108 Jolly Orb/Sash/Band Quick Attack, Take Down, Helpin Hand, Rock Slide, M533*physicalfighting90, Close Combat)
Torunerosu (Flying 79/115/ 70/125/ 80/111 Timid/Modest Orb/Scarf/Specs/Sash Uproar, Air Slash, M542*specialflying120, Dark Pulse)
Borutorosu (Electric/ Flying 79/115/ 70/125/ 80/111 Timid/Modest Orb/Scarf/Specs/Sash Uproar, Discharge, Dark Pulse)
Randorosu (Ground/ Flying 89/125/ 90/115/ 80/101 Jolly Orb/Scarf/Band/Sash Rockslide, Earthquake, Outrage)

INTERESTING NEW LEVEL UP MOVES FOR OLD MONS (should be able to Heartscale):
M528 (electric UTurn) (Manectric)
[M473]: Psychic Special Power: 80 / Accuracy: 100 Causes Physical damage (exeggutor)
[M482]: Poison Special Power: 95 / Accuracy: 100 Hits all. May poision. (tentacruel, muk)
[M486]: Electric Special Power: --- / Accuracy: 100 Electric FastGyroball (Raichu, Electrode, Electabuzz)
[M495]: Normal Other Power: --- / Accuracy: --- Makes target attack next (Clefairy, Togepi!!!, Lopunny)
[M502]: Psychic Other Power: --- / Accuracy: --- Switches position with an ally (Alakazam)
[M525]: Dragon Physical Power: 60 / Accuracy: 90 Move last. Target switches out (Flygon, Salamence, Dragonite)
[M540]: Psychic Special Power: 100 / Accuracy: 100 Causes Physical damage (Mewtwo!!)

Can anybody else think of anything new that might have an effect on VGC 2011?

[MSankey] BlueCookies
21st September 2010, 4:55 AM
the fire monkey and fire moth so strong. vgc 11 gonna be so powerful

also skarm and I agree that zapdos>>>>>electric genie

No. 1 Machop Fan
26th September 2010, 3:47 AM
I hope Australia will be invited this time. I won't push as hard for it, though, if we have to use B&W, because I know from experience that I wouldn't be ready if we had to.

mattj
26th September 2010, 2:21 PM
Haha, that's what this thread is for! To help you get prepared BEFORE the VGCs roll around. Even if you don't buy the Japanese Cart so you can get all your mons ahead of time, just learning the new pokes, learning the basic storyline, and talking about the new metagame will do wonders to help you get prepared.

Blue Harvest
26th September 2010, 10:48 PM
Hmm.. Should I move this to the 5th gen forum? Will VGC 2011 be 5th gen or 4th?

Archangel
27th September 2010, 6:23 AM
Hmm.. Should I move this to the 5th gen forum? Will VGC 2011 be 5th gen or 4th?

5th gen it shall be, they are only played on the newest versions.

No. 1 Machop Fan
27th September 2010, 8:02 AM
5th gen it shall be, they are only played on the newest versions.

Hmm, that'll be difficult then. I remember when DP came out in Australia; we only had 2 weeks to get teams ready for an upcoming tournament (unless we ordered them from America, which I didn't).

It'd be good if we got more time than that, though, especially if I can transfer my old Pokemon onto them. That'd make it much easier to prepare and maybe even practice!

R_N
28th September 2010, 5:45 PM
Everyone planning around new dream abilities on old Pokemon: Just remember that old TM moves and Move Tutors won't pass on.

Also Iron Fist doesn't increase Close Combat

TerraWolf
28th September 2010, 8:26 PM
Hihi and Groudon will be big this year. Banded Encourage Sunny Blitz will kill everything. Ninetales and Politoad will be valuable on any rain or sun team. This is gonna be another weather year, but instead of sand and hail, rain and sun.

mattj
28th September 2010, 10:14 PM
Great points Articuno and pkmner. I personally don't see Groudon being as popular this year. He's so fragile and he lacks serious moves aside from EQ. Hopefully Ninetales will be able to help him out. But then Groudon can't effectively use his only powerful STAB move...

sixonesix
30th September 2010, 7:14 PM
By the way, has anyone managed to find last year's GS cup mode anywhere in BW?

Because I haven't.

jesusfreak94
1st October 2010, 10:09 PM
I'm thinking about making a VGC team for this coming year, and I was just wondering; does anybody think that Wide Guard (new attack) might be useful in VGC?

TerraWolf
1st October 2010, 11:20 PM
I'm gonna start training my Uber Rain Team in a few weeks.

Shouldn't we be getting the Japan rules soon? At least by December right?

Rain and Sun will be pretty big this year though. Ninetales covers it weakness flawlessly. Ninetales could possibly go Borderline or OU this year, if Smogon is gonna keep it's tiers the same. Politoed may only be around to back up Kyorge this year imo. Cloyster may be getting some rain play this year if Slowbro is utilized on the same team. I'm just wondering why Solrock didn't get Drought. Might be because Lunatone isn't the embodiment of rain.

Blue Harvest
1st October 2010, 11:24 PM
Do we know if "Ubers" will be allowed in the VGC this year? I know last year it was so boring, 90% of all Pokemon used seemed to consist of Kyogre / Palkia / Dialga / Smeargle / Giratina / Groudon. I almost didn't go because of it.

Of course I'm a ****ing nerd, so I did anyway. :/

TerraWolf
2nd October 2010, 12:28 AM
Do we know if "Ubers" will be allowed in the VGC this year? I know last year it was so boring, 90% of all Pokemon used seemed to consist of Kyogre / Palkia / Dialga / Smeargle / Giratina / Groudon. I almost didn't go because of it.

Of course I'm a ****ing nerd, so I did anyway. :/

I'm just going based off '10 until December.

mattj
2nd October 2010, 10:09 PM
does anybody think that Wide Guard (new attack) might be useful in VGC?
You know, personally I don't see the usefulness of it. There are so many better ways to counter multi-attacks, and if your opponent uses it once, just DON'T use a multi-attack after that (duh). But, Several of the best VGCers out there (Worlds 09'ers and Worlds 10'ers, etc) are saying they're testing it, so... you probably will see it.

Shouldn't we be getting the Japan rules soon? At least by December right?

Rain and Sun will be pretty big this year though.
Yes, and yes. But we'll see. Depending upon the rules... they may not even allow DW ability mons. We'll just have to see in a month or so.

Do we know if "Ubers" will be allowed in the VGC this year?
Nope. Not a clue. Personally, after talking to MLiesik and the rest of the VGC crew at Atlanta/Nats this year I really do think they'll include them again. It's good for the kids (they like it) and it makes the battles much shorter, which means more people get to play.

You know, I didn't like the idea of ubers at all at first last year. But... it really grew on me. It was fun and new. And HOW ELSE is Cherrim ever going to be OU++? xD


I'm just going based off '10 until December.
That's the best advice. Fiddle with other modes and rules too though, just to get a feel for them.

Jegretis
3rd October 2010, 10:47 PM
Hey, Welcome back mattj!

Anyways...back on VGC topic. To me, personally, I don't mind if they allow Ubers or not, seeing as Ninetails and Politoad have D & D. However, I do wish they would put in triple battles as the match set up. However, this would mean that the battles will be longer, unless they are only allowing three or four Pokemon a match. It would be nice if they did triple battle, 4 pokemon per match. That way you have a back-up Poke.

mattj
4th October 2010, 4:16 AM
You know, triples really is looking fun and interesting, but honestly I really, personally think that the time issue is going to be the deciding factor. Doubles with high base stat mons is an extraordinarily fast style of play. Aside of Blissey (which they nerfed teh craps out of in Gen V with moves like Psycho Break etc) stall almost cannot exist in VGC10 style play. Most battles that i saw and played myself lasted... 2-6 turns. Max. The only people who lasted longer had blisseys involved, but there are a ton of new additions that almost seem 100% designed to smash the crap out of Blissey (GFmasachism?)

TerraWolf
4th October 2010, 9:43 PM
You know, triples really is looking fun and interesting, but honestly I really, personally think that the time issue is going to be the deciding factor. Doubles with high base stat mons is an extraordinarily fast style of play. Aside of Blissey (which they nerfed teh craps out of in Gen V with moves like Psycho Break etc) stall almost cannot exist in VGC10 style play. Most battles that i saw and played myself lasted... 2-6 turns. Max. The only people who lasted longer had blisseys involved, but there are a ton of new additions that almost seem 100% designed to smash the crap out of Blissey (GFmasachism?)

Then again, Blissey may get replaced by Chansey this year. We also have a bunch of much higher BST then the past gens. Like I've said, Hihi may be a big player this year, both forms. Shanderra has the highest Special Attack since Porygon-Z. Reshi, Zek, and the Dragon/Ice bro might be big in Sun, Rain, and Hail respectively.

mattj
4th October 2010, 11:38 PM
Excellent points. That makes me laugh so hard (Chansey>Blissey in some cases ahahahaha). Just got my Black Cart in. Gonna start working on testing the new RNG!! Gotta get everybody good IV VGC mons ASAP!!

Ophie
5th October 2010, 1:40 AM
Two turns? Are you serious? What happened, Explosion, then another Explosion?

I find it kind of funny about the general attitude at GameFAQs regarding the official tournaments--much of its members want nothing to do with it as they can't play by its rules.

Any chance of rotation battles being offered? I don't think anyone has addressed that yet.

mattj
5th October 2010, 3:38 AM
Hahahaha yeah actually! I used Groudon/Shiftry/Gengar/Ho-oh/Giratina/Togekiss at Nats so... lots of 2-5 turn games. Even when using Kyogre/Hitmontop/Abomasnow/Palkia at Atlanta the game usually didn't last more than 5 turns. There were just too many high Base stat 150 AtkorSAtk mons spamming 100+BasePower STAB moves for anything to survive much longer. Timid 252/252 Palkia spamming Spacial Rend or Timid Scarfogre spamming Waterspout in the rain 1HKO's most mons.

Hmmmm.... rotation? Is it a quick format? That's a large factor.

TerraWolf
5th October 2010, 11:05 PM
Hmmmm.... rotation? Is it a quick format? That's a large factor.

Battling all together has gotten faster by 2 to 4 times. I think Rotation might be good. It force's the opponent to think, but it may take to long. I'd be surprised if they didn't stick to doubles. If it was triples, it'll end of being full battles. They really should have done that in the beginning. The first round, aka regional, pre final 16, would be Singles, the Top 16 would be Double with Nats and the Champs would be Full singles.

Ophie
6th October 2010, 3:19 AM
Wow, Shiftry...that's a Pokémon I don't hear about very often on Smogon. Hitmontop too.

I'd imagine Rotation Battles beginning slow as people get accustomed to it, then accelerating in pace as it goes. I don't think people are quite ready for Rotation Battles yet, let alone Triple Battles. But it would still be interesting, nonetheless, since Nintendo seems to enjoy taking people out of their comfort zones in official events for its games.

If the matches wind up lasting too long, they could implement a time limit, and any matches still going on will be watched by a judge, who will declare a winner when the next Pokémon gets knocked out if they're tied. This is what happens in card game tournaments (I've attended a ton of them and know the rules inside and out). In the card game, if there's no time limit, if a match doesn't end by the first three turns, it will draw itself out to an hour or more.

Jegretis
7th October 2010, 2:48 PM
Yeah, Nintendo kind of likes to do that. Not to mention since most people will be new to Triple Battles, there will fair fight between to players. It'll also make the players show more level of skill, and new strategies.

mattj
7th October 2010, 5:59 PM
I could be totally off base and could be proven wrong in a few months, but I really doubt it'll be triples. The battles take too long, involve too many mons, and it's too soon. They didn't incorporate doubles for a few years when it was new too.

TerraWolf
8th October 2010, 12:35 AM
I could see Triple's in VGC12 or even VGC13, when Grey may come out in Japan.

Shuckley
13th October 2010, 11:31 PM
I think Triples would be great, I feel that there is never enough strategy involved even in double battles, when doing wifi battling and such I always get roped into a simple routine where I use the same four pokemon to win using the same moves, while the moves/strategy itself may be creative and strategical, theres not enough variation, I think triples solves that. Currently I'm hoping triple because I'm already planning a Trick Room/Sandstorm/Earthquake/Discharge team for VGCs next year, if its doubles I'll just augment the same team I had last year with a few new pokes.

A.J.
14th October 2010, 1:33 AM
I wish that VGC would go back to good old fashioned singles one year.

mattj
17th October 2010, 10:01 PM
The only problem with singles, is that the matches tend to take much longer than doubles/others (because of 6 mons). Especially now that they're letting up to 700 people play... SWEET JESUS! That'd take a long time to get through. Maybe 3V3 Singles could work?

(not saying I expect that this year though)

Blue Harvest
17th October 2010, 11:39 PM
If they expand the number of play stations a 6v6 format would be viable.

I don't mind doubles, I just hope they bring back the banlist.. VGC 10 had me bored from all the Kyogre / Mewtwo / Abomasnow / Palkia. But at least they banned Arceus, lol.

PungentFruit
20th October 2010, 2:28 AM
My guessed B/W VGC 11 ban list (not official)- Victini, Genosekuto, Meloetta, Kerudio,
My guessed B/W VGC 11 restricted list (again, not official)- Kyurem, Zekrom, Reshiram, Landlos, Voltolos, Tornelos

And mattj when you crack the RNG code of B/W please report on this thread and skarmbliss if you do not mind and the VGC 11 japanese rules?

mattj
20th October 2010, 3:26 PM
LOL of course I will PF. That's very important to VGC. I've pretty much just got to test it on my cart (the researchers have all been using emus to figure it out, but you can't 100% trust that without testing it on an actual cart like I have). I'll test one of the last parts tonight, but I can tell you so far that there is no more delay. You simply have to set your date and time and start your game to the second is all. This is actually important even if you're just SRing. Pay attention to the date and time down to the second when you select your game on the DS startup screen. If you get great IVs on a legendary, set your date and time the same for the next one and it'll come out the same (with some exceptions but not many). Oh and shut your CGear off. That advances your frame.

mattj
22nd October 2010, 11:28 AM
Forgive the double post, but this probably does warrant one.

Sorry my activity's been down. I've been working hard on the RNG with the other guys over at smogon.

One quick thing I think I should mention that'll probably help you guys with SRing for good IV mons for VGC right now is this:

STOP RANDOMLY SRING AND PAY FRIGGING ATTENTION TO THE DATE AND TIME THAT YOU SOFT RESET

It turns out, with some exceptions and complications, that basically, if you:
1) set your DS Date and Time (down to the second) to the same value, and 2)select your game on the DS Startup Screen at the same time, and
3) make SURE the Cgear is turned OFF before you "Continue" your game (it asks you if you want it on, say no, then yes)
4) do NOT have moving NPCs around you and
5) take the same ingame actions (walking/not walking/etc)

you ABSOLUTELY WILL get the same IVs/Nature on the mon you encounter.

What this means for you:

If you're SRing, and you wrote down the exact second you choose your game (and followed those steps above), and you encounter a mon with great IVs (say 27+/27+/27+/27+/27+/31). You can shut your game off, if you want to, turn your DS Date/Time (to the second) back a few minutes, start your game at the same exact second you recorded, and encounter the same mon with the same IVs.

This also works if you go to SR another mon. Just set the DS Date/Time to like a minute before that time you wrote down, then select your game on the DS Startup screen at the exact same second, and POOF! This new mon you're SRing will come out with the same IVs.

IT'S SOOOOOOOOOOOO EASY!!!

Just write down the Date Time (to the second) that you select your game on your DS Startup Screen, and keep using that time for all your next SRs.

I'm actually working on changing the nature, but keeping the same IVs, but that'll probably be this weekend or so. Sorry. Soooooo busy. @_@

[edit]
Moar tests! :o

I'd post them, but it keeps giving me a server error x_x

Basically,

Found out that Randomly moving NPCs advance/change/whatever your PID frame, but not your IV frame.

This is good news. It means you can find a good Date/Time that gives you good IVs, then "filter through" PIDs till you find a Nature/Gender/Ability/Shinyness that you like best, all while keeping the same IVs quite easily.

Oh, also of note. This test here took place in a completely different location than those before it, but I still got the same IVs on the same Date/Time.

[edit]
Saved in front of Cobalon (not that he's all that great, but Terrakairon will be, this is just a test). No randomly moving NPCs, and there are wild mons in the room. That's good. I "should" just be able to SR for good IVs, then adjust his nature accordingly with turning in place till I get the nature/shinyness I want (teeeheee).

PungentFruit
25th October 2010, 11:19 PM
??? I'm SOOOO confused and such a noob mattj ???

mattj
26th October 2010, 2:20 PM
It might seem confusing at first I'm sure, but here, let me explain it as simply and consisely as possible.

The IVs you get on any pokemon are determined by the Date and Time that you either select your game on the DS Startup Screen or Soft Reset. So, if you are saved in front of a pokemon like Cobalon, and are Resetting your game for good IVs, and are keeping track of the Date/Time to the second (on your DS Clock) that you are resetting, if you happen to stumble upon amazing IVs you can get those exact same IVs on Terrakaion, or pretty much any other pokemon you want if you just turn your DS Clock back and Reset your game at the same Date/Time to the second.

This is important for VGC because its a very easy way to get legit pokemon with very high IVs that will pass the VGC hack check.

I've still got some things to check, but I'll write a simple guide soon. For now though, if you're going to Reset for IVs anyway, why not start writing down the Date/Time to the second on your DS Clock that you are Resetting. It could save you lots of time in the long run.

PungentFruit
26th October 2010, 9:36 PM
Thanks! I will look over D/P/Pt/HG/SS IV breeding and RNGing on Smogon right now! Thanks again mattj! So who will be the most popular Pokemon in VGC this year?

TerraWolf
26th October 2010, 11:57 PM
Probably Hihi if it's run with Groudon. Other then that possibly Zekogre.

Blue Harvest
27th October 2010, 3:22 AM
I don't know a huge amount about VGC, but maybe Sand teams could be improved. Tyranitar is incredibly slow thus can probably get sand up against Kyogre / Groudon / some Abomasnow while Doryuuzu is faster than basically everything. That Ground genie thing is also very destructive with sand power and can run Choice Scarf.

I wonder if Wide Guard will see much use.

mattj
27th October 2010, 4:19 AM
I expect "Forced Rain" with Politoed/Ludicollo/Voltolos/Toxicroak/Palkia/Kyogre to be popular.

Quiet 0spd IBall Politoed just decided to show up and rape your team with forced Drizzle.
Ludicollo now gets Teeter Dance, along with Fake Out, Grass Knot, Hydro Pump and the Swift Swim Ability.
Voltolos gets 100% accurate Flying and Electric STAB base 120 haxy moves (in the rain), plus Mischevious heart to spam priority Thunderwaves and Swaggers.
Toxicroak is well... same old Croak (although I have a poison hand one waiting for me in HLF haha)
Palkia "apparently" gets Telepathy, which pairs great with Kyogre's Surfs (surf>waterspout btw).
Kyogre is well... Kyogre.

Just my prediction.

But at the same time, I can see a ton of goodstuffs team working. Kojondo is just plain Rediculous in VGC.

PungentFruit
29th October 2010, 2:22 AM
By ridiculous do you mean "bad" ridiculous or "good" ridiculous because I think good and he is on many strategies including some good stuff with Kyurem, Boma, Kyogre, and Palkia assuming all B/W Pokemon are legal and it's doubles with a restricted and ban list. That "forced rain" looks like it will be VERY common so maybe I could make an Anti-Rain team with Air Lock, Drought, Snow Stream, etc. when the rules are leaked and released.

TR_Jessie
30th October 2010, 11:10 PM
I've been looking for good pokemon that might be on my team next year.

Have any of you noticed that so many pokemon are overpowered (stat-wise) but they can't do anything?

Like, they each maybe have about 2 attacking moves that are good, but that's about it. I mean, they have some defencive moves, but the pokemon aren't defencive. See what I'm saying?

mattj
30th October 2010, 11:43 PM
Yeah, Archeos was a bit of a let down in that area. I was like "HECK YEAH MAN! ENORMOUSLY OVERPOWERED MON!!! ... who... really has some lackluster attacks .___________."

Some of them like Hihidaruma are good (especially considering that Encourage "somehow" negates Life Orb Damage on moves with secondary effects!!! a;slkgjasd;lg!!!!).

TerraWolf
31st October 2010, 2:49 AM
And can't no old Legends learn new moves by level up? Doryuuzu will probably have one or two good moves. His Signature isn't even good.

TR_Jessie
31st October 2010, 6:21 AM
Yeah, Archeos was a bit of a let down in that area. I was like "HECK YEAH MAN! ENORMOUSLY OVERPOWERED MON!!! ... who... really has some lackluster attacks .___________."

Some of them like Hihidaruma are good (especially considering that Encourage "somehow" negates Life Orb Damage on moves with secondary effects!!! a;slkgjasd;lg!!!!).

Dah wha!? It negates life orb?
...Whoa.
Okay, I am so mad that Dialga can't have telepathy and dragon pulse at the same time.

Back on topic: I really want them to release the rules now. I need to know what to prepare for, and gosh darn it, they better be double battles with at least one or two ubers!

mattj
1st November 2010, 4:08 AM
You and me both sis. :/

Oh, and Encourage + Life Orb = you still get both the Encourage Boost, PLUS the Life Orb Boost, but NO Life Orb Recoil (it doesn't take away your HP.

^^^ That has GOT to be a glitch, but it's been proven. Jolly Encourage Life Orb Hihidaruma is incredible. It's like he has a Choice Band, but without the choice.
.______________.

Some other good ones for VGC are Psycho Break Mewtwo. Mewtwo can no longer be walled. At. All.

Latios got about the same thing too with Psycho Cut/Shock or whatever it's called.

I'm also liking Guts/Flame Orb Roopushin w/ Mach Punch (stronger than Bullet Punch Scizor or Metagross).

And then there's Inner Focus KOJONDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo, the incredible support mon. Faking Out crap like a champ.

Gawd so many great new mons!

Jegretis
1st November 2010, 11:34 PM
Yeah, I am preparing for the VGC right now. Although I don't have B or W, I am currently breeding and EV training some Pokes to get ready for transfer once they hit NA.

Marbi Z
2nd November 2010, 12:30 AM
INTRO:
Well, believe it or not, the 2010 Video Game Championship has already come to an end. My good buddy Ray Rizzo (BlueCookies from skarmbliss and smogon) took the #1 spot this year. It was fairly monumental, because he is the first American to take first in the VGCs ever! We had a great year, fought hundreds of epic battles, made many new friends, and a few new enemies, and saw quite a few wonderful improvements over 2009. But,with the 2010 VGCs quickly fading in the rear-view mirror, it's time that the serious competitors here at Serebiiforums start looking forward to the 2011 Video Game Championships.

NEWS:
What news we have at the moment is scant, but that is to be expected so early. Here are the few things we do have confirmed:

2011 VGCs will be played exclusively on Pokemon Black or White Carts.
The 2011 World Championships will take place August 12-14 (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2903498&postcount=118) in San Diego California. (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2903668&postcount=121)
Ray Rizzo, and Yasuki Tochigi both have paid invitations (http://www.pokemonworldchampionships.com/2010/results/vgc/#1_0_0) to the 2011 World Championships.

While that may not seem like a lot of info to go off of, it's a start, and trust me, I'll edit the OP the MOMENT any more info comes in.

RESOURCES:
VGC Style Pokemon is a unique brand of battling. As such, many players who are used to Standard or Tiered play sometimes have a hard time adjusting. As such, here are a few good resources that really helped me become successful at VGC.


INTRODUCTION TO COMPETITIVE BATTLING (http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/intro_comp_pokemon)
EV GUIDE (http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/ev_manual)
THE BEST, MOST IN-DEPTH, COMPREHENSIVE POKEDEX OUT THERE ;) (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/)
DOUBLE BATTLE PRIMER (http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/double_battles)
VGC ANALYSIS FOR NUMEROUS POKEMON (http://skarmbliss.com/forum/index.php?board=6.0)
SMOGON RNG THREAD (LEARN TO RNG) (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52180)
POKEMON ONLINE (BATTLING SIMULATOR) (http://www.pokemon-online.eu/)
#SMOGONWIFI (http://mibbit.com/?channel=%23smogonwifi&server=irc.synirc.net) (AN IRC CHANNEL WHERE VGC STYLE TOURNAMENTS ARE HELD ON SUNDAY AFTERNOONS. CLICK THE LINK, PICK A NICKNAME, AND PRESS GO.)
#SKARMBLISS (http://mibbit.com/?channel=%23skarmbliss&server=irc.synirc.net) (AN IRC CHANNEL WHERE LITERALLY 90% OF THE ENGLISH SPEAKING TOP VGC COMPETITORS HANG OUT, CHAT, BATTLE AND TALK STRATEGY. CLICK THE LINK, PICK A NICKNAME, AND PRESS GO.)
VGC 2010 EVENT INFORMATION (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2604716&postcount=3)(AS A REFERENCE)
VGC 2010 RULES (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2604709&postcount=2) (AS A REFERENCE)
VGC 2009 EVENT INFORMATION (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53500) (AS A REFERENCE)
BLACK AND WHITE NEWS (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66860&page=2)
PLAYASIA.COM (http://www.play-asia.com/) (A SITE WHERE YOU CAN IMPORT THE JAPANESE VERSION OF POKEMON GAMES)
If you can think of any other useful links, or need links to anything else that pertains to the 2011 VGCs, just let me know.



Wait a minute... Your saying we finally beat the Japs!?

mattj
2nd November 2010, 5:44 PM
LOL where have YOU been. x)

UBER_Magikarp
2nd November 2010, 8:35 PM
i have a question. does no guard work for partner pokemon in double battles because i was planning a machamp/dugtrio combo for next year, because i'll put a choicescrf on dugtrio and while machamps no guard is out i can spam the use of fissure on dugtrio.( thats if it works on partner pokemon)

mattj
2nd November 2010, 11:16 PM
That is such an amazing idea isn't it? I actually bred a pretty good No Guard Machamp just for that purpose for VGC 09.

...

then I tested it...

...

It does not work that way...

x___________x

No guard only ever bypasses the accuracy of moves either targeted at the No Guard user, or used by the No Guard user. Regardless of what Serebii's horrible description still says to this day (after being notified countless times), No Guard does NOT (I REPEAT NOOOOOT) boost the accuracy of your partners attacks, or opponent's attacks, unless they are targeting the No Guard user. That means your opponent's Sheer Cold will always hit No Guard Machamp, but your Articuno's Sheer Cold still just has 30% accuracy.

PungentFruit
3rd November 2010, 1:29 AM
Back on topic: I really want them to release the rules now. I need to know what to prepare for, and gosh darn it, they better be double battles with at least one or two ubers!

^^^^ I am dying to have the rules released. Better be doubles!I already have more than 20 doubles strategies guessing 2 ubers and all B/W pokes are legal.

UBER_Magikarp
3rd November 2010, 7:45 PM
uh.. That would've been cool if no guard worked the way i thought of it to work. u have a question. I'm having a hard time chosing my legendaries. i was thinking of running hitmontop(for priority and fake out) and kyurem (mainly because of a STAB blizzard) and have as a 3rd slot Abamasnow for a 100% blizzard hit), but i'm having trouble with my last 3 slots, and are there any good legendaries with a movepool that hits more than 1 pokemon. i have another question. Did they make the vgc ban list yet?

mattj
3rd November 2010, 10:57 PM
have a question. I'm having a hard time chosing my legendaries. i was thinking of running hitmontop(for priority and fake out) and kyurem (mainly because of a STAB blizzard) and have as a 3rd slot Abamasnow for a 100% blizzard hit), but i'm having trouble with my last 3 slots, and are there any good legendaries with a movepool that hits more than 1 pokemon. i have another question. Did they make the vgc ban list yet?

Kojondo would fit well since he counters Kyurem and Abomasnow's rock weakness (along with hitmontop).

However, unfortunately we don't have any rules yet, even for Japan, so we have no idea what mons will be legal. :/

TR_Jessie
4th November 2010, 12:20 AM
You and me both sis. :/

Oh, and Encourage + Life Orb = you still get both the Encourage Boost, PLUS the Life Orb Boost, but NO Life Orb Recoil (it doesn't take away your HP.

^^^ That has GOT to be a glitch, but it's been proven. Jolly Encourage Life Orb Hihidaruma is incredible. It's like he has a Choice Band, but without the choice.
.______________.

Some other good ones for VGC are Psycho Break Mewtwo. Mewtwo can no longer be walled. At. All.

Latios got about the same thing too with Psycho Cut/Shock or whatever it's called.

I'm also liking Guts/Flame Orb Roopushin w/ Mach Punch (stronger than Bullet Punch Scizor or Metagross).

And then there's Inner Focus KOJONDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo, the incredible support mon. Faking Out crap like a champ.

Gawd so many great new mons!

So, what you're saying is that life orb activates encourage for any move? That would be cool.

Oh, yeah, I've heard of this phycho break mewtwo, and I planned on using it ever since I heard about it.I've actually got one on my PO team.

And, Kojondo: I thought about using that, too. It seems like a really powerful pokemon, and it's a fighting type. Too bad it's slower than infernape, though. :(

mattj
4th November 2010, 12:48 AM
So, what you're saying is that life orb activates encourage for any move? That would be cool.
Oh, no, what I'm saying is that, you know how Life Orb normally boosts the damage of attacking moves, but takes off, what is it, 1/10th or 1/16th of your health when you use an attacking move? And you know how the new ability Encourage takes away the "extra (hax) effects" from moves with extra (hax) effects, and boosts the damage to the move? Well, for some reason, (I really think it's just a new glitch):

When any pokemon with Encourage who is holding a Life Orb, uses an attacking move with secondary (hax) effects, the attack gets both the Life Orb damage boost, PLUS the Encourage damage boost, the secondary (hax) effect is removed, and there is NO LIFE ORB RECOIL DAMAGE TO YOUR HEALTH!!!
that has GOT to be a programming glitch because it makes already overpowered Encourage mons even more overpowered, now without any Life Orb Recoil Damage to their health.

TR_Jessie
4th November 2010, 1:10 AM
Oh, no, what I'm saying is that, you know how Life Orb normally boosts the damage of attacking moves, but takes off, what is it, 1/10th or 1/16th of your health when you use an attacking move? And you know how the new ability Encourage takes away the "extra (hax) effects" from moves with extra (hax) effects, and boosts the damage to the move? Well, for some reason, (I really think it's just a new glitch):

that has GOT to be a programming glitch because it makes already overpowered Encourage mons even more overpowered, now without any Life Orb Recoil Damage to their health.

Yeah, it sounds too overpowered, but, hey, who knows? Most of the pokemon in this gen are.

Lol, I just read the article on Smogon about the VGC underdogs. I loved it. "Absol Girl" lol.

mattj
4th November 2010, 2:09 AM
Linky?
10 Char

PungentFruit
4th November 2010, 3:15 AM
Question - With Hihidaruma when he uses FlareBlitz does he get the recoil or does he not necaus of encourage?

Thanks!

jesusfreak94
4th November 2010, 3:51 AM
Question - With Hihidaruma when he uses FlareBlitz does he get the recoil or does he not necaus of encourage?

Thanks!

Unfortunately, no. It only takes away hax effects on your opponent, such as Flamethrower's burn and Rock Slide's flinch rate. This means that recoil from moves and bad side effects like Superpower's will still be there.

BTW, I love the thing at the end of your sig XD

TR_Jessie
5th November 2010, 12:43 AM
Linky?
10 Char

http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue12/vgc

^~~~~~~^

I know they were calling me "The girl with the Absol" the entire time at the tournamet but this: this is just worship! :)

And, flare blitz does get the encourage boost. I believe this has been tested.


They neeeeed to give the rule. Now. Now. Now. Now.

BlingCrosby
5th November 2010, 2:06 AM
Flare Blitz gets the Encourage boost due to its chance to Burn. The recoil is unaffected.

@GS
5th November 2010, 6:47 AM
Man, I can't wait for VGC 2011! I've been testing some pokes on PO, both Doubles and Triples and I gotta say it's been pretty successful. Oh hi
mattj, BadIntent, SP-Eevee, and TR_Jessie! ;D

PungentFruit
5th November 2010, 10:41 PM
What were some of these teams? @GS?

Sweep Freak
6th November 2010, 12:53 AM
Flare Blitz gets the Encourage boost due to its chance to Burn. The recoil is unaffected.

Oh god, your right!!!
=DDDD

But only Hihidaruma gets it, and it's speed isn't amazing...

I hope it is 4vs4 doubles with auto leveling again. If the rules were just like this year, but with the black and white editions, it would be perfect.

Not the best, but maybe one of the best that showed up. You can't be sure, there may be a female player around better than you, that just didn't go to the VGCs. *Hint Hint* xD

@GS
6th November 2010, 4:47 AM
I've seen some Porygon2s on Black and White and I gotta say, they're incredibly bulky! So I decided to test one out, and I highly recommend it!

TR_Jessie
6th November 2010, 5:21 PM
Not the best, but maybe one of the best that showed up. You can't be sure, there may be a female player around better than you, that just didn't go to the VGCs. *Hint Hint* xD

-_-

Do ya' gotta be so mean? :O I just say that for a confidence boost. I mean, I gotta say something good about myself for once in my life. And, I'm not a bad battler, you know. I mean, come on! Wouldn't you want to be able to say that?
You just...don't understand! *sniffle sniffle*
(I hope you know that I'm just being overly dramatic on purpose, right?)

Anyone know when the Japanese start their tournaments?

P.S.:
Who are you, @GS?

PungentFruit
6th November 2010, 11:11 PM
Question (cuz I'm a noob) - Ok so this is one for some very experienced RNGers. Ok so I'm trying to RNG some eggs and of course I am w/o a computer at the moment (I have my Ipod!!). I am trying to soft reset some perfectly IVd pokemon. So at what part of the egg hatch do I record the time. I just want to have some data. When it hatches? When you get the egg? When you say "Oh?"? I don't know :) So just answer whenever!

mattj
7th November 2010, 12:30 AM
Haha, I was just about to post to say I've figured out a quick easy way to RNG 5th Gen Eggs, but Pungent just had to steal my thunder huh. :p

HERE (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3113852&postcount=5193) are the basic steps though.

For anybody who wants hexflawless 5th Gen Breeds with whatever nature/ability/gender/shinyness that you want, it's here man. It's here.

PungentFruit
7th November 2010, 1:54 AM
Sorry mattj but I meant for Platinum or Soul Silver...;)

T.W.I.
13th November 2010, 6:22 PM
Hi guys,

I'm preparing to open a Double Battle clan in the clan section. It is going to aimed at assisting people in VGC battles and 6v6 double battles. If anyone is interested in helping the clan out send me a PM.

Or, do you guys think this topic covers enough double battling? I find serebii is very lacking on double battles I for one think it should be brought out more.

I'm not advertising, more like looking for opinions from you guys. I love VGC rules, but live in a remote part of Canada...so fml in terms of attending a VGC tournament >_>

I think I spoke to some of you around a year ago when TR_Jessie held a VGC tournament. Anyways, if you guys are interested send me a PM :)

mattj
14th November 2010, 2:24 PM
That sounds like a really good idea. Good luck with it!

PungentFruit
15th November 2010, 12:51 AM
Yeah definitely! Anyways I've heard there is a battle thingy in B/W that bans "special Pokemon" (kinda like GS Cup) and I was wondering what those Pokes were if anyone could tell me. It may a subliminal message concerning VGC 11 rules...hahahaha

T.W.I.
16th November 2010, 11:32 PM
Hey guys,

I posted the clan Gemini Foundation for double battles. It should be appearing in the clans section hopefully within the next day or two. If anyone wants it, new or not, just head on over.

Also, would I be able to link this topic in the clan under the VGC 2011 section I have?

mattj
16th November 2010, 11:55 PM
Hey guys,

I posted the clan Gemini Foundation for double battles. It should be appearing in the clans section hopefully within the next day or two. If anyone wants it, new or not, just head on over.

Also, would I be able to link this topic in the clan under the VGC 2011 section I have?

Sure can! Good luck on that. Would I be able to link to yours from the OP here? It would be useful for people on serebii to get together with other serebii'ers for VGC style battles like your clan could provide.

T.W.I.
17th November 2010, 12:16 AM
For sure you can linbk it. I'll post or PM you the thread once it appears.

Jegretis
17th November 2010, 1:40 AM
So I have been doing alot of thinking, and decided that they should ban legends this year, and stick to non-uber pokes, like '09.

This way, it'll make good use for pokes like Ninetails or Politoed. And not to mention, it'll give most of us a break from seeing Groudon and Kyogre. If anyone else agrees, please, don't hesitate on posting. I don't want to seem the only one here who doesn't want uber legends.

mattj
17th November 2010, 3:47 AM
i could go either way i just want rules

P_p

Blue Harvest
17th November 2010, 5:31 AM
So I have been doing alot of thinking, and decided that they should ban legends this year, and stick to non-uber pokes, like '09.

This way, it'll make good use for pokes like Ninetails or Politoed. And not to mention, it'll give most of us a break from seeing Groudon and Kyogre. If anyone else agrees, please, don't hesitate on posting. I don't want to seem the only one here who doesn't want uber legends.

I agree! I might actually go next year if they ban the ubers.

T.W.I.
17th November 2010, 9:32 PM
Ya so I posted the link last night but got infracted >_> ffs... I even asked... w/e

Click the image below to head over to the clan if interested. IF I GET INFRACTED FOR THIS IM LEAVING SEREBII!

TR_Jessie
18th November 2010, 2:24 AM
Ya so I posted the link last night but got infracted >_> ffs... I even asked... w/e

Click the image below to head over to the clan if interested. IF I GET INFRACTED FOR THIS IM LEAVING SEREBII!

Amazing poster! Mewtwo is my favourite rare pokemon (besides Ho-oh).

Why won't they post the official VGC 2011 rules yet?! I'm going crazy!

sixonesix
18th November 2010, 7:57 PM
So I have been doing alot of thinking, and decided that they should ban legends this year, and stick to non-uber pokes, like '09.

This way, it'll make good use for pokes like Ninetails or Politoed. And not to mention, it'll give most of us a break from seeing Groudon and Kyogre. If anyone else agrees, please, don't hesitate on posting. I don't want to seem the only one here who doesn't want uber legends.

I definitely agree, if for no other reason than the extreme difficulty of practicing for BW GS cup over wifi (since wifi lacks a lv. 50 all option or a devoted GS cup mode).

Blue Harvest
18th November 2010, 8:48 PM
IF I GET INFRACTED FOR THIS IM LEAVING SEREBII!

I'm tempted to call your bluff.

If anyone has a VGC rules tournament count me in.

d0nut
20th November 2010, 12:27 PM
Since it hasn't been posted here I thought I'd go ahead and post the supposed rules for the Japenese VGC, which should be the same rules as the other countries.

1.Only Pokemon from Isshu can be used (excluding Victini, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genosect).
2.Each match is a double battle
3.Pokemon should be Level 50. Pokemon higher than that will be lowered to 50, but Pokemon Level 49 and below will remain the same level
4.You can't use duplicate Pokemon or Items.
5.You can't change your Pokemon, Items, etc. during the tournament.

Looks pretty much the same as other VGCs from what I can see. They are still doing doubles so people don't need to worry about triples (for this year at least.) The big shocker is that people are confined to using Isshu pokes. This makes things very interesting since all the standards that people were used to in the past are no longer legal. I'm interested to see how old strategies such as Rain will cope without Kingdra or Ludicolo. Politoed and Ninetails are both unallowed also so even if DW abilities were allowed weather teams can't use them.

Jegretis
20th November 2010, 4:01 PM
Hmmm...I saw this post on smogon as well. I'm looking forward to this, so I better start making some teams right now. You guys are looking at a new champion.

mattj
20th November 2010, 4:12 PM
Editing the OP with all information available. Thanks for the leads. I get busy for three days and they release the rules! x)

I like Pokemon (...)
20th November 2010, 4:15 PM
Woah. Only Pokemon from Isshu? I wonder how far this will be extended; does this mean only Pokemon native to Isshu? What about Dream World, or Egg Moves?

mattj
20th November 2010, 4:30 PM
There are still a lot of unknowns. We'll find out the specifics in a while, but this is a good chunk to go off of.

d0nut
20th November 2010, 5:01 PM
Fake Out has been a pretty good move in VGC, though it looks like if its Isshu only then Kojondo, Lerpardas, and Zuruzukin are its only users. It also looks like nothing gets Follow Me at all...that should be interesting. Since there are few pokes to take advantage of Sun and Rain, plus no weather inducers at all, there will probably be little to no weather used this time around. Trick Room will probably be very effective since there are a handful of good users, such as Rankurusu, Desukan, and Burungeru. Roopushin, Shibirudon, and Gigaith are all pretty slow so they could make use of it. Past Trick Room it looks like several old strategies are going to have to change drastically.

mattj
20th November 2010, 5:35 PM
Nobody gets Fake Out, but several great mons get Power Rage.

One strat that won't change is Zap/Chomp. Now known as Volt/ros.

d0nut
20th November 2010, 5:56 PM
Nobody gets Fake Out, but several great mons get Power Rage.

One strat that won't change is Zap/Chomp. Now known as Volt/ros.

Im assuming you were referring to Follow Me, but yea I suppose Power Rage is a suitable replacement, but Morobareru and Uruguamosu are its only users. If it comes down to using it to take Fake Outs it might be a better idea to use Fast Guard instead to avoid any damage at all. There are several good Fast Guarders, such as Kojondo and the Fighting Horse Trio. Wide Guard might also be cool, plus if Volt/Land both try to abuse Discharge/EQ then they will be stopped pretty effectively by it. Blizzard also deals with that combo fairly well, though without Aboma it might not be seen as often. I might participate this year since if I have time since it looks pretty interesting.

mattj
20th November 2010, 6:36 PM
haha yeah Follow Me! x)

I really would encourage you to participate. Not just because it's a fun metagame, but it's seriously fun to meet other people who play competitive pokemon in real life. These forums are fun and helpful, but it doesn't compare to the real life friendships I've made over the years at these events. :)

[edit]
A;LSDKGJASL;DKGJ!!!!!

We broke the Egg RNG a few weeks ago, but it looks like Kaphotics just broke the Capture RNG too!!!

Details soon, so we can all catch our own high IV perfect nature Genies and Bull/Deer/Goat/Beast mons!

mattj
21st November 2010, 9:03 PM
Sorry for the Double Post, but this is big news.

The B/W Capture RNG definitely has been broken!! (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3141919&postcount=453) It's sooooo easy!!

d0nut
21st November 2010, 11:02 PM
Sorry for the Double Post, but this is big news.

The B/W Capture RNG definitely has been broken!! (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3141919&postcount=453) It's sooooo easy!!

Hmmm sweet. The RNG is already broken and the game hasn't even been released in the US yet. I'll probably figure it out pretty quickly after the game comes out here. I have several flawless pokes on my Platinum from RNG abuse even though I never really played on Wifi much since I prefer sims, but if I decide to do VGC this year it will definately come in handy. Hopefully they don't change anything with the US versions that would affect this.

mattj
22nd November 2010, 12:41 PM
Nah, they won't change it. And it's much MUCH easier to RNG since there are no delays involved. Just Date/Time = Pokemon IVs/Nature etc.

TerraWolf
22nd November 2010, 8:01 PM
Mattie could you PM me a dumbed down version please?

TR_Jessie
22nd November 2010, 9:25 PM
I just found those rules today and was gonna post them, but... oh, well.

I hate them. I mean, only Isshu pokemon? No legends? This is aweful! These pokemon can't even do anything! :(

sixonesix
22nd November 2010, 9:43 PM
I just found those rules today and was gonna post them, but... oh, well.

I hate them. I mean, only Isshu pokemon? No legends? This is aweful! These pokemon can't even do anything! :(

That's the best part imo.

Isshu pokemon only is kind of "eh", but at least they're trying to go with something balanced.

No. 1 Machop Fan
23rd November 2010, 11:59 AM
Well, I'm working on a Trick Room team atm; once I have confidence I'll hopefully post it in RMT.

Of course, if it's revealed that Australia's rejected AGAIN, I'll close it immediately.

mattj
23rd November 2010, 12:16 PM
You know, Brianna, I actually felt the same way at first. I had been planning all my teams around older Gen mons, with maybe a Kojondo thrown in for good measure. Then they came out with these (admitedly) shocking rules, and I had to abandon my plans completely. At first, I couldn't get over the fact that 99% of these new mons could not stand their ground against older, faster, more powerful mons. But as I played more and more matches with these new rules on PO, it really started to grow on me. I now see this as a fun new metagame that I'm still just getting to know. I'm really liking it. Give it a try. :)

[edit]
OmegaDonut has finally released a (beta) RNG Reporter for 5th Gen! Gonna abuse teh CRAP out o some mons now!

TR_Jessie
26th November 2010, 9:50 PM
Yes, I know it will be different, and boring... and...whatever.

I will figure this out and learn to /like/ it/... yes. DX

T.W.I.
26th November 2010, 11:05 PM
Only Unova pokemon is ridonculous! Seriously! I know why they are making Unova only pokemon in BW but this is just bad. Like, they have 493 OTHER pokemon. Why only concentrate on 156?

Admittedly, alot of Unova pokemon are clones/parallels, but its like they are trying to reset the franchise. I almost half expect ash to ditch Pikachu in the anime and get an Emonga now...

Oh well, not like I can get to a VGC anyway so I guess no headache for me...if they released a new "PBR" game for wii that uses only Unova..then im done. Nintendo is pretty much trying to severe its ties with the people who have supported them from the beginning.

mattj
30th November 2010, 4:58 AM
Because I realize that this whole "Fresh Rule" kind of threw everyone for a loop, and because I realize that not everyone understands RNG Abuse (especially 5th Gen) I've gotten with the owner of skarmbliss.com and have decided to give all my 5th Gen RNGs out as prizes in their weekly VGC tournaments that they will be holding in a month or so. It'll be a quick easy way to not only get great VGC experience battling against 90% of the US Nats T16 and many of the Worlds T16 from around the world, but also, now, it'll be a quick, easy way for those of you who can't RNG, especially in Gen 5, to get their hands on the high IV mons that they need for VGC 11.

Terrakion (639)
http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/639.gifhttp://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/03/Bag_Ultra_Ball_Sprite.png
Captured:
Jolly
Justice Heart
31 / 30 / 31 / 5 / 30 / 31
L42 UT

Landros (645)
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/74/Spr_5b_645.pnghttp://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/89/Bag_Repeat_Ball_Sprite.png
Captured:
Jolly
Sand Strength
31 / 30 / 31 / 5 / 30 / 31
L70 UT

Burungeru (593)
http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/593.gifhttp://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/f2/Bag_Dive_Ball_Sprite.pngand http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/593_f.gifhttp://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/17/Bag_Heal_Ball_Sprite.png (Hands down the neatest male/female sprites in Gen 5!
Captured:
M Modest Water Absorb
F Modest Cursed Body
30 / 8 / 31 / 31 / 30 / 31

Gagameroge (537)
http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/537.gifhttp://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/4b/Bag_Net_Ball_Sprite.png
Captured:
Timid Swift Swim
Modest Poison Hand
Timid Poison Hand
30 / 8 / 31 / 31 / 30 / 31

Baibanira (584)
http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/584.gifhttp://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/f2/Bag_Dive_Ball_Sprite.png
Captured:
Timid
30 / 8 / 31 / 31 / 30 / 31

Agirudaa (617)
http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/617.gifhttp://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/89/Bag_Repeat_Ball_Sprite.png >_>... that ball looks pretty terrible... gonna do the next one in this http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/87/Bag_Luxury_Ball_Sprite.png
Captured:
Timid Hydration
30 / 8 / 31 / 31 / 30 / 31

Cobalon (638)
http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/638.gifhttp://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/4b/Bag_Net_Ball_Sprite.png
Captured:
Jolly
Justice Heart
31 / 30 / 31 / 5 / 30 / 31
L42 UT

Virizion (640)
http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/640.gifhttp://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/17/Bag_Heal_Ball_Sprite.png
Captured:
Jolly
Justice Heart
31 / 30 / 31 / 5 / 30 / 31
L42 UT

I've got a loooooooong list of mons that I'll RNG. All VGC '11 standards. If you have any suggestions, let me know. (http://skarmbliss.com/forum/index.php?topic=770.0) Oh, and just so you don't freak out, the Official Tourneys won't start for a few months, and will probably begin on PO, as people won't have all the mons they need right away.

Human Being
2nd December 2010, 5:42 AM
mattj, soon enough you'll find flawless spreads and seeing natures are now independent of IVs you'll go get some 31/0/31/31/31/31 and 31/31/31/x/31/31 pokemon! I already have a pretty solid team, might post a RMT just to show people the VGC11 metagame and how quickly it developed, I'm sticking with this team right now and a lot of people from Skarmbliss' PO server should already know that's the team I'm using, I don't care too much about people knowing my team right now because it has still been very effective, one team acting as two.

mattj, speaking about your 5th Gen RNG Abused pokemon, for Skarmbliss' VGC Tournaments will they be done on Pokemon Online or on WiFi? I did not order a copy of BW so I will most likely not be able to participate.

Human Being
2nd December 2010, 5:49 AM
mattj, soon enough you'll find flawless spreads and seeing natures are now independent of IVs you'll go get some 31/0/31/31/31/31 and 31/31/31/x/31/31 pokemon! I already have a pretty solid team, might post a RMT just to show people the VGC11 metagame and how quickly it developed, I'm sticking with this team right now and a lot of people from Skarmbliss' PO server should already know that's the team I'm using, I don't care too much about people knowing my team right now because it has still been very effective, one team acting as two.

mattj, speaking about your 5th Gen RNG Abused pokemon, for Skarmbliss' VGC Tournaments will they be done on Pokemon Online or on WiFi? I did not order a copy of BW so I will most likely not be able to participate.

mattj
2nd December 2010, 11:58 PM
They'll be on both. But PBB said they won't start till much closer to the time that the US games come out. So no worries.

And I actually do have some "31 / 31 / 31 / 31 / 31 / 31" spreads, but they're much higher frames, and those 30s don't bother me so... :3

Human Being
3rd December 2010, 12:02 AM
Alright then! The 30's don't bother me much, but as you know losing by 1 HP or something like that, something you should have won if it were perfect happens you would hate it. Either way for some of them a waste of even 4 EVs can complicate things.

mattj
5th December 2010, 3:39 AM
The amazing Ryuzaki has set up a statistics program to break down the usage on the skarmbliss VGC server (http://skarmbliss.com/forum/index.php?topic=837.0) over on PO. If you guys don't know it, that is THE place on PO to train for VGC. I am NOT exaggerating when I say that 70% of the best VGCers in the world train there.

This gives us a great idea of what people are testing, what moves they're putting on them, and what they're being paired with.

Human Being
5th December 2010, 5:02 PM
Shandera @ Iron Ball Lv. 50 -- Flash Fire

Nature: Quiet - EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk (78.2 %)

Protect
Shadow Ball
Heat Wave
Trick Room
# 3 - 6.53 % (142 battles)

Burungeru @ Water Jewel Lv. 50 -- Water Absorb

Nature: Modest - EVs: 100 HP / 252 SAtk / 156 Spd (100.0 %)

Protect
Shadow Ball
Water Spout
Trick Room
# 3 - 6.07 % (107 battles)

Sazandora @ Life Orb Lv. 50 -- Levitate

Nature: Modest - EVs: 172 HP / 28 Def / 252 SAtk / 44 SDef / 12 Spd (81.7 %)

Surf
Protect
Dark Pulse
Draco Meteor
# 3 - 5.93 % (105 battles)

Torunerosu @ Sitrus Berry Lv. 50 -- Mischievous Heart

Nature: Timid - EVs: 236 HP / 12 Def / 4 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd (100.0 %)

Protect
Taunt
Tailwind
Air Slash
# 8 - 3.87 % (35 battles)

Torunerosu @ Leftovers Lv. 50 -- Mischievous Heart

Nature: Timid - EVs: 44 HP / 140 Def / 12 SAtk / 60 SDef / 252 Spd (39.5 %)

Protect
Taunt
Tailwind
Air Slash
# 5 - 6.61 % (34 battles)

Terakion @ Lum Berry Lv. 50 -- Justice Heart

Nature: Jolly - EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd (100.0 %)

Rock Slide
Taunt
Close Combat
Fast Guard
# 2 - 13.90 % (41 battles)

All of these sets are mine. I switched to Sitrus Berry from Leftovers for Tornolos. I use Roobushin as well, but that set is a standard set and there is no reason to mention it.

I'm going to post a RMT on Skarmbliss later, I never made a RMT before though.

mattj
6th December 2010, 11:18 AM
That's a great pairing of mons up there Human! Thanks for letting everybody see. As soon as I'm done RNGing I'll post a few RMTs here too.

I updated the news section of the OP (and other sections) but forgot to make a post announcing it: Nats will be in Indi in July again this coming season.

TR_Jessie
8th December 2010, 12:49 AM
Indiana? Again? Man. I was hoping for a new place I'd never been to!

Oh, and you said it's in July? It was in June last year.

mattj
8th December 2010, 3:24 AM
Yup, according to the US Pokemon site. July.

TR_Jessie
17th December 2010, 3:23 AM
Hm, well, okay, then. I actually wish that they'd have the worlds a lot earlier instead cause I hate wasting the summer away waiting for it. It's the worst!

Blue Harvest
17th December 2010, 7:43 AM
Hm, well, okay, then. I actually wish that they'd have the worlds a lot earlier instead cause I hate wasting the summer away waiting for it. It's the worst!

Try going outside ^_^

Theres a lot to do besides play Pokemon..

mattj
17th December 2010, 12:08 PM
Try going outside ^_^

Theres a lot to do besides play Pokemon..


LIES! ALL LIES!!

In a sort of related sort of VGC related update:

I'm up to 4 boxes of RNGs finally. They'll all be available as prizes for the Skarmbliss VGC tourneys incase anybody needs mons for VGC '11.

How do I RNG soooo many mons while still having a life?!?!?!

1) 5th Gen RNG is stupidly quick and easy
2) i rng most of them while on break at work ahahahahahaha

Human Being
19th December 2010, 1:14 AM
mattj, when I get BW I shall learn to RNG from you and then I will get some pokemon of yours to use as parents for breeding some pokemon, or I'll just win the pokemon I'll need from tournaments. Also the usage statistics are not really helpful anymore, they are getting outdated seeing the metagame rapidly changed, people (i.e. me) are running damage calcs already!

TR_Jessie
19th December 2010, 8:30 PM
Try going outside ^_^

Theres a lot to do besides play Pokemon..

I do do a lot of things besides pokemon. All the time.

It's just absolutely impossible to go outside here when it's 110 degrees all day with no wind, plus the fact that I'm originally from Canada.

BadIntent
25th December 2010, 3:12 AM
Indiana? Again? Man. I was hoping for a new place I'd never been to!

Oh, and you said it's in July? It was in June last year.

I didn't like Indianapolis. They don't have enough sidewalks.

Blue Harvest
25th December 2010, 7:39 AM
@ mattj

I play most of my Pokemon in the bathroom lmao.


I do do a lot of things besides pokemon. All the time.

It's just absolutely impossible to go outside here when it's 110 degrees all day with no wind, plus the fact that I'm originally from Canada.

Where could you possibly live where it hits 110? Also, isn't that what bathing suits and pools are for?


On topic of VGC, I'm 99% sure I'm going this year! I might not take part in the Pokemoning since I have a Japanese version of White (can I even use it?) and because frankly I didn't like last years VGC rules. But last year I got to live like a disgusting hippy. My friend brought his truck and set up the back like a camper. We lived off water fountains and pop tarts for three days.

mattj
27th December 2010, 2:51 AM
Lol wash that DS!

Texas.

And as for Japanese White, if you'd want to play, you'd have to have an English Cart (I wish I could use my Jap Black). Except for that they allow you to use whatever language cart you want during the actual Worlds Competition.

Really hope to see you at one of the stops!

And also, teammagma.net will be hosting live VGC tourneys on the weekend coming in January. Skarmbliss will be soon too. Gotta link in the OP.

Blue Harvest
27th December 2010, 8:15 AM
Well, that sucks but I still might go. My friend will buy the American version and hes going again, so I might as well tag along. More for the New York experience afterwards.

No. 1 Machop Fan
27th December 2010, 11:44 AM
According to the Pokemon site, Australia will once again not be invited! "North America and Eurpoe" ≠ Australia. :@

mattj
27th December 2010, 12:04 PM
Yeah, BH, just do what I did for my cousin a year ago and Rent it a day or so before tournament, beat the first gym, and trade over your team from your Jap Cart. Renting is only like 8$ around here for DS games.

I'll never understand that Machop Fan. :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

TR_Jessie
10th January 2011, 10:35 PM
@ mattj



Where could you possibly live where it hits 110? Also, isn't that what bathing suits and pools are for?



The south. and I burn easier than a banana gets bruised. I am unable to tan. Stupid genetics....

Anyway:
Anyone think they'll release the dream world Unova pokemon? *crosses fingers*

d0nut
11th January 2011, 1:06 AM
They most likely won't release any DW from Unova til the third game (Gray Version?) comes out. That seems to be what they are going to do since they have released them from every region except Unova, but you never know, they might surprise us. Either way, VGC 2011 will likely pass before they do.

Human Being
12th January 2011, 4:01 PM
Not only that, some pokemon might never get their DW Abilities anyways, they have shiny versions for Zekrom, Reshiram, and Vinciti, but you can not get any of them shiny in game.

RabidRaticate
13th January 2011, 7:32 PM
I have a question regarding the use of Illusion in VGC. I'm not sure if it's a legitimate question or if I just don't understand how Illusion works. Either way:

Assuming the rules are the same as last year's, where you have six pokémon in your party but choose four with which to fight, would Zoroark appear to be the last pokémon in your six-pokémon overworld party or the last pokémon in your four-pokémon battle party?

foxyman1167
13th January 2011, 9:49 PM
Any idea what the VGC11 Pokemon will be? I assume a BW Pokemon, but any specifics?

lucario beast
13th January 2011, 11:20 PM
Any idea what the VGC11 Pokemon will be? I assume a BW Pokemon, but any specifics?

probably somewhere from th middle of april to middle of july is when there start

Human Being
13th January 2011, 11:27 PM
Rules were already revealed. You can practice on Pokemon Online, clauses are Species, Item and Self-KO, and you can't change items between rounds, Pokemon only from the Unova Region and finally Wifi Battle, team preview and change team order.

lucario beast
13th January 2011, 11:33 PM
i have something that would work for double battles
have 2 pokemons that know lava plume and have the flash fire ability then keep powering up youre lava plaumes and a strong water type to switch into perferably one that nows thunder to deal with dround and water types and than another pokemon that i havent decided about yet

Lifeline
14th January 2011, 12:56 AM
Rules were already revealed. You can practice on Pokemon Online, clauses are Species, Item and Self-KO, and you can't change items between rounds, Pokemon only from the Unova Region and finally Wifi Battle, team preview and change team order.

Sorry if I'm understanding this wrong but are you saying the actual vgc will have the team preview 6, pick 4 thing like PBR? If that's true it kinda sucks, lol imagine the mindgames.

mattj
14th January 2011, 2:45 AM
Sorry if I'm understanding this wrong but are you saying the actual vgc will have the team preview 6, pick 4 thing like PBR? If that's true it kinda sucks, lol imagine the mindgames.Yeah, that's pretty much it. It's really not that bad, and usually is phelpful. As long as you know you're facing a skilled player and not some random, you can pretty much tell what their team is going to be, and what you need to do to overwhelm them. If they're a random... just attack, you'll win.
probably somewhere from th middle of april to middle of july is when there star****?
Any idea what the VGC11 Pokemon will be? I assume a BW Pokemon, but any specifics?
You know, I have no idea really. I beeeeecha it'll be a Zoroark, just cuz it's you know part of the movie and blahblahblah. I would kind of like a shiny, Cherish Ball Zoroark with maybe a nice special move (Shiny, Naive, Focus Sash, Sucker Punch (egg), and Bark Out (unobtainabe TM)).

Human Being
14th January 2011, 4:59 AM
I think Kojondo will be the pokemon at Worlds for some reason.

I also think the pokemon that they'll give away at Regionals would be something like Momen, Erufuun's pre-evolution.

mattj
14th January 2011, 9:54 PM
Two other excellent mons. I'd RNG those and use them on the spot man. No lie.

[edit]
A VGC '11 RMT (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=479121) that might interest ya.

BadIntent
17th January 2011, 1:23 PM
Sorry if I'm understanding this wrong but are you saying the actual vgc will have the team preview 6, pick 4 thing like PBR? If that's true it kinda sucks, lol imagine the mindgames.

Hmm. I prefer a little bit of guessing which could result in a slight disadvantage, as opposed to the possibility of getting completely counter teamed by your opponent with nothing you can do about it.

TerraWolf
17th January 2011, 1:36 PM
I think Kojondo will be the pokemon at Worlds for some reason.

I also think the pokemon that they'll give away at Regionals would be something like Momen, Erufuun's pre-evolution.

Zuruggu's Evo is a nice hidden gem. Drain Punch+Bulk Up will rape an entire team.


wat?

The Pokemon that's gotten for Participating.

Human Being
20th January 2011, 4:30 AM
There will be no Team Preview for VGC'11. Confirmed by Japanese players who sent e-mails regarding the rules about the WCS (known by us as the VGC)

Victory Star
25th January 2011, 6:04 PM
There will be no Team Preview for VGC'11. Confirmed by Japanese players who sent e-mails regarding the rules about the WCS (known by us as the VGC)

Oh, so this is confirmed? Where did the Japanese players find these rules and are they a reliable source of information? I don't want to say that I think it is unreliable, but I do want to confirm whether or not this is true since the team preview does seem to effect the metagame a lot.

mattj
25th January 2011, 11:02 PM
It hasn't actually been confirmed. (http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1910810&postcount=10)(and below) It's likely, but definitely not "confirmed". We really should stop taking so much stuff for granted. We really won't know till Aprilish when the Japanese start their qualifiers. "Chances are" whatever they use, we'll use. For now, your best bet is to build a team for each and practice both ways. We've got plenty of time. And Mike will let us know as soon as he possibly can.

The rules in general are confirmed though. Pretty much anybody with a Global Link account should have just gotten an email a lil bit ago that included info about the Japanese VGC.

And a;lsdkfgjas;ldgkaj;sd I keep forgetting to update the OP, but teammagma.net (think I got that right) is holding VGC '11 Practice tourneys every Saturday (unless another tourney on another site is holding one too). Linky. (http://www.teammagma.net/index.php?topic=177.0)

Human Being
26th January 2011, 4:58 AM
Well right now we're getting a lot of information, seems like they have an option on whether or not it will be active which mattj probably linked us to (I already saw that so I didn't click the links).

Well for a lot of the people interested you need to stop by Pokemon Online more, specifically the Skarmbliss server.

Victory Star
28th January 2011, 2:35 AM
I happen to noticed that the official Pokemon website has put up some info regarding VGC, confirming a lot about what we already know.

http://www.pokemon.com/us/organized-play/championship-series/video/

The biggest change is the three different age divisions (Juniors, Seniors and Masters) now instead of the original two (Juniors and Seniors).

I happen to come come across the following quote from the website:

"Each battle will use the Double Battle rules. Players may register 4–6 Pokémon at the beginning of the tournament. Before the start of each battle, players will select 4 Pokémon to use that round, with two Pokémon active at once."

I underlined the part that seems to be a giveaway that it will probably be the same as last year without team preview. However, I also later realized that this doesn't really determine if team preview is going to be used or not since you are technically choosing four Pokemon before the battle anyways. I guess we will find out the details in due time.

mattj
28th January 2011, 2:37 AM
VICTORY STAR GETS A COOKIE YEAH

edited op

/me was lazy today

Lifeline
29th January 2011, 9:33 PM
It figures that the first year they implement this master class system, I miss getting into senior class (for an easier win lol) by one year D:. But regardless, I'm so excited for this years VGC. Time to stary theorymon-ing teams!
Also theres a small tidbit of information that is interesting and relevant to the VGC, on the news page about the global link:

"In the Global Battle Union, you can view your record against players you've battled. You'll also receive a Worldwide Rating, which is calculated based on your battle score. This rating gives you more than just bragging rights, though—top players may also qualify for regional and national video game tournaments in the Pokémon Video Game Championship Series based on their Worldwide Rating!"

http://www.pokemon.com/us/news/vg_pgl_announce-2011-01-27/

I'm not sure what this means, why would you have to qualify for a regional, perhaps you can enter the tournament at later rounds?

Human Being
29th January 2011, 10:28 PM
It figures that the first year they implement this master class system, I miss getting into senior class (for an easier win lol) by one year D:.

You're going to the northeastern regional, over seven seniors who are good and have had practice for VGC 2011 already are going there, I'm included with over two months of practice already on Pokemon Online and quite a few solid teams. With how early people were able to practice for VGC and the simulator being so readily available and more and more common knowledge you pretty much need to start practicing.

Victory Star
30th January 2011, 2:04 AM
VICTORY STAR GETS A COOKIE YEAH

I love cookies! *nom nom*


You're going to the northeastern regional, over seven seniors who are good and have had practice for VGC 2011 already are going there, I'm included with over two months of practice already on Pokemon Online and quite a few solid teams. With how early people were able to practice for VGC and the simulator being so readily available and more and more common knowledge you pretty much need to start practicing.

Human is totally right. There are people who are taking the tournament more seriously this year, and pretty much ever since the games were released in Japan, people around the world started to plan and practice for VGC '11. If you want to give yourself a competitive edge, I highly recommend doing some practice. Even though I was one of those people who started early, I know that could use more practice myself.

Lifeline
30th January 2011, 1:57 PM
You're going to the northeastern regional, over seven seniors who are good and have had practice for VGC 2011 already are going there, I'm included with over two months of practice already on Pokemon Online and quite a few solid teams. With how early people were able to practice for VGC and the simulator being so readily available and more and more common knowledge you pretty much need to start practicing.

I know that there's heavy competition in the NE regional, I just didn't know they were the ages of the new seniors. Forgive me for assuming that the kids aged 12-15 would be easier competition, since a significant more amount of them are noobs. I honestly didn't know a lot of Smogon and Skarmbliss Elite were this age, sorry.
I was originally going to wait untill the english names were released, to avoid confusion later on, but you two have sucessfully scared me into practicing now- onto PO!

Human Being
30th January 2011, 6:27 PM
It would be easier to win for every regional other than the big northeastern one for the senior division, but its like that for every year and for every division. In the Northeast regional, for the seniors division if you're good you'll probably be able to get into the T16 pretty easily, T8 easily, but beyond that it will probably depend one who you go against and the teams.

EDIT: btw who are you on Pokemon Online and which server are you going to?

lucario beast
30th January 2011, 6:29 PM
this year im in the senior class does anybity know the time for the senior class

Human Being
30th January 2011, 6:38 PM
this year im in the senior class does anybity know the time for the senior class

What do you mean? No one knows the locations of the regionals or the dates, even in Japan if that answers your question.

EDIT: Japanese regionals start April 3rd and they need to preregister.

BadIntent
1st February 2011, 10:36 PM
It would be easier to win for every regional other than the big northeastern one for the senior division, but its like that for every year and for every division. In the Northeast regional, for the seniors division if you're good you'll probably be able to get into the T16 pretty easily, T8 easily, but beyond that it will probably depend one who you go against and the teams.

Seven players from the San Mateo Regional got invites to Worlds. If I remember correctly Bluecookies was the only one from Newark who got in. I think it's a pretty safe claim that the northeast does NOT have the most or the best trainers.

Human Being
2nd February 2011, 12:14 AM
^^ Just found that out after I made that post generally speaking, but at that point the regional metagame stablizes with there being some teams which won previous regionals. You are definitely right though, the San Mateo Regional had more better players when I looked at it again, Deagle convinced me to look at that (I started like a month before the Newark Regional, didn't know anything about the San Mateo regional or who competed there, although that is no excuse for not trying to find out). However a lot of people who do have some idea what they are doing go to the northeastern regionals (most not that good and just copy a winning team from another regional), but that is a lot more because the regional metagame stabilizes a bit there because of it being at the very end, if it started off in the Northeast then it will be nowhere near the level of competition in San Mateo with Huy, BI, Deagle, Metabou being some prominent names who go there, but in the seniors division the level of competition is completely different with most of the people being concentrated in the northeast with a few scattered throughout other places.

mattj
2nd February 2011, 2:13 PM
Be careful just copying teams that have won in other, previous regionals. A lot of people tried that, but it didn't really work that well. I don't know how many people last year that used Ogre/Top just cuz Paul used it, but they didn't really know how to use it, so they just got bowled over. In my opinion, you actually have a much higher chance of winning if you use something off the wall like Absol, Solrock, or Persian (from last year) if you stick to your team and practice, practice, practice, than if you just randomly copy some winning team.

TerraWolf
2nd February 2011, 9:00 PM
Matt saw the tourney thing on SkarmBliss and I thought "Awesome. I'll be getting 1 point for every tourney I enter."

mattj
2nd February 2011, 11:48 PM
Yup. That's pretty much how it's going to work. Incase anybody is interested, skarmbliss will be having their first VGC '11 Live Tourney this Saturday. I haven't decided if it'll be wifi or PO, and I haven't settled on a time yet. I'll figure that out and post it tonight. (http://skarmbliss.com/forum/index.php?topic=960.0)

Lifeline
3rd February 2011, 1:34 AM
It would be easier to win for every regional other than the big northeastern one for the senior division, but its like that for every year and for every division. In the Northeast regional, for the seniors division if you're good you'll probably be able to get into the T16 pretty easily, T8 easily, but beyond that it will probably depend one who you go against and the teams.

EDIT: btw who are you on Pokemon Online and which server are you going to?

Well, once I have a good team to test *has a decent lead combo, half way done* i will be on the skarmbliss server (probably gettin my *** kicked) under the name koopa, also my skarmbliss forum name.
Btw does PO have the team preview for vgc 11 battles, I know it used to but does it have it anymore now that we know the actual tournament isn't gonna have it?

Human Being
3rd February 2011, 3:42 AM
No team preview now. Also just because people practice on Skarmbliss doesn't mean that they are good, it just has a lot to do with how quickly they become good if they have determination.

mattj
3rd February 2011, 4:00 AM
The skarmbliss server still has the option to see your opponent's team.

post (http://skarmbliss.com/forum/index.php?topic=960.msg11791#msg11791)

[MSankey] BlueCookies
7th February 2011, 6:43 PM
Seven players from the San Mateo Regional got invites to Worlds. If I remember correctly Bluecookies was the only one from Newark who got in. I think it's a pretty safe claim that the northeast does NOT have the most or the best trainers.

ya but quality over quantity. northeast so powerful just because I'm there jajajajajajajaja

ok but seriously the west is definitely best haha

so many powerful trainers

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SoulSilverSwampert
27th February 2011, 6:33 PM
The rules say you only use 4 Pokemon in each battle, do we get to see our opponents Pokemon, or is it just easier to focus more on a team of 4 instead of 6?

Just for clarification, egg moves that require non-Unova pokemon to be bred are okay, right?

Such as Encore on Audion needs Clefairy, Togetic, Plusle or Minun.

TerraWolf
28th February 2011, 1:52 AM
The rules say you only use 4 Pokemon in each battle, do we get to see our opponents Pokemon, or is it just easier to focus more on a team of 4 instead of 6?

Just for clarification, egg moves that require non-Unova pokemon to be bred are okay, right?

Such as Encore on Audion needs Clefairy, Togetic, Plusle or Minun.

Focus on 4 as you don't battle the same person twice. Bred moves are fine. No way they could check that.

MasterKenobi
28th February 2011, 4:09 AM
I really don't want to read back through 10 pages this late at night. Can anyone tell me if they have announced locations yet?

If not, what's the expected start date of the qualifiers as I need to start a team by then...

SoulSilverSwampert
28th February 2011, 7:42 AM
Unless they have just this morning, there's been no locations announced. The World Championships are being held in August, in San Diego, so that might give you some clue as to when Regionals (or whatever they are) are. The official page says there'll be more info after the release of BW.

I reckon they'll give us at least a couple of months to get a team together though.

mattj
1st March 2011, 12:44 AM
The first qualis will be in like May or so. Probably starting up in Seattle like last year. As for wether or not we'll be able to see our opponent's mons, that's 100% up to Mr. Liesik. He said on pokegym that he could adjust the settings either way, and hasn't made his mind up yet. And concerning egg moves that require non unova mons, i see no reason why they would be banned. You're still using only Unova mons in the actual battle.

five days

get pumped

TR_Jessie
2nd March 2011, 5:48 AM
Yes. Black and White come out this Sunday. Who else is excited?!

Human Being
2nd March 2011, 9:47 PM
I just reserved my copies yesterday and going to pick up my friend's copy of white because he's grounded for a while! Excited though. A play through on White until I can RNG on Black.

RabidRaticate
6th April 2011, 4:11 PM
You know, no one answered my question.


I have a question regarding the use of Illusion in VGC. I'm not sure if it's a legitimate question or if I just don't understand how Illusion works. Either way:

Assuming the rules are the same as last year's, where you have six pokémon in your party but choose four with which to fight, would Zoroark appear to be the last pokémon in your six-pokémon overworld party or the last pokémon in your four-pokémon battle party?

Human Being
7th April 2011, 3:39 AM
You know, no one answered my question.

I am pretty sure it will be the last pokemon in your four pokemon battle party.

JRank
7th April 2011, 3:40 AM
You know, no one answered my question.

It's the last Pokemon of the four you pick, for example:

Your team is Zoroark/pokemon/pokemon/chandelure/pokemon/Axew. You pick the Pokemon in the order Zoroark/pokemon/pokemon/Chandelure, leaving Axew out. Zoroark would come out as Chandelure, not Axew.

lucario beast
7th April 2011, 3:48 AM
i think i might run a sandstorm team fr this years vgc

windsong
7th April 2011, 4:13 AM
Sand isn't really that good in VGC 2011, since it loses horribly to a ton of dominant archtypes -- Trick Room and Tailwind both horribly destroy it, and even well played goodstuffs teams hurt it really badly, since nothing used on common sand exactly likes taking hits from burungel and stuff.

Glacrwlf
7th April 2011, 8:57 PM
I need to know if any event involving Pokemon VGC 2011 is coming to Glendale Heights, IL soon.. Is there?

legendarypokemonmaster
8th April 2011, 12:55 AM
@Glacrwlf I don't think any info about locations for U.S. has been released yet.
I wonder if anyone will try a Hail Team at VGC.

mattj
8th April 2011, 2:50 AM
Lol, we don't have dates or locations yet. Just so you know, they usually target large cities here and there, but not every large city. Closest thing to Illinois last year (and probably will be this year) was Indianapolis Indiana.

sixonesix
8th April 2011, 8:17 PM
i wouldn't count on it, the midwest usually never gets a regional so they just dump us in the last chance qualifier of nationals

which royally sucks because lcq is a terrible substitute for a regional for several reasons:

1. obviously it's the very last tournament before nationals so everyone else can scout you as they please, before and during the event
2. you've got out-of-state guys coming from like every corner of the country which makes it MUCH tougher than actual regionals
3. no prizes or prestige for placing aside from the obvious entry to nationals

sincerely hoping the midwest gets an actual regional this year, idc where as long as it's within reasonable driving distance

edit: yeah i know it's better than like australia or someplace, i'm just po'd at my prospects this year

mattj
9th April 2011, 1:55 AM
Saint Louis again. Godplz.

HypermanEX
14th April 2011, 6:10 AM
Does anyone know how hack checks will go? I'm currently messing around with Pokesav'd Pokemon on the Battle Subway as practice, but I want to know if I can use them in the VGC without getting fudged by the officials. How "legit" would a Pokemon have to be to past the hack check? Would a Pokemon with all 31 IVs and a 252/252/4 spread pass if everything else on the Pokemon was comparable to one caught in the game?

mattj
14th April 2011, 6:12 PM
Don't ask how to pass hack checks. Just use legit mons. If you need legit mons I'm giving them away as prizes for participating in skarmbliss weekly live tourneys. Beyond that, learn to RNG in B/W. It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay simpler than RNGing in 4th or 3rd Gens.

Blue Harvest
14th April 2011, 6:19 PM
Don't ask how to pass hack checks. Just use legit mons. If you need legit mons I'm giving them away as prizes for participating in skarmbliss weekly live tourneys. Beyond that, learn to RNG in B/W. It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay simpler than RNGing in 4th or 3rd Gens.

Participating or winning? If its just participating I'll join.


*fingers crossed for a VGC location closer than 400 miles away from me.

HypermanEX
14th April 2011, 7:53 PM
Does anyone know how hack checks will go? I'm currently messing around with Pokesav'd Pokemon on the Battle Subway as practice, but I want to know if I can use them in the VGC without getting fudged by the officials. How "legit" would a Pokemon have to be to past the hack check? Would a Pokemon with all 31 IVs and a 252/252/4 spread pass if everything else on the Pokemon was comparable to one caught in the game?

Well, it takes too long to train "legit" mons, so I think I'd rather just make mons as legit as possible. Answer the question plox.

legendarypokemonmaster
14th April 2011, 10:17 PM
^Noooooooooo Don't ask for codes/ar help, etc...
Everyone else uses legit pokemon so you can too.

HypermanEX
15th April 2011, 1:24 AM
I am not asking for codes. I am just asking about the hack checks from the VGC in general and how a hacked Pokemon would make it. Not asking for any cheats and crap.

mattj
15th April 2011, 12:34 PM
Participating or winning? If its just participating I'll join.


*fingers crossed for a VGC location closer than 400 miles away from me.
Just participating. Linky here. (http://skarmbliss.com/forum/index.php?topic=960.0) 1st = 5 points, 2nd=4, 3rd=3, 4th=2, and 5th-Last= 1. Each mon costs 5 points. That way everybody gets at least something for playing, but the winners get more.

I am not asking for codes. I am just asking about the hack checks from the VGC in general and how a hacked Pokemon would make it. Not asking for any cheats and crap.How bout you try your luck? Drive 800 miles to a qualifier with a hacked team and hope you don't get caught. Sound good? The answer is, we don't know how the hack checks will work this year because this is an entirely new game. Now drop it.

windsong
15th April 2011, 8:48 PM
So, who's naming their ingame character MSankey or something else that makes fun of drcossack this year?

legendarypokemonmaster
15th April 2011, 11:24 PM
I wonder if anyone will be bold enough to try a hail team at VGC this year.

mattj
16th April 2011, 3:06 PM
So, who's naming their ingame character MSankey or something else that makes fun of drcossack this year?


I wonder if anyone will be bold enough to try a hail team at VGC this year.

more than one (to both)

dodohead272
18th April 2011, 2:23 PM
im sorry i just started this but can someone explain VCG 11 and any infomation about like whats banned or not and where it is

mattj
18th April 2011, 10:24 PM
Welcome to serebii.

All the info we have is in the first post. VGC stands for Video Game Championship. It's a series of real live tournaments that take place at dozens of locations around the world that the Pokemon Company puts on each year. It's really fun, free to enter, and you can win tons of great prizes including payed trips around the world, Wiis, DSs and other goodies.

As for what's banned, *basically*

You can only use Unova mons (except Reshiram / Zekrom / Kyurem / Keldeo / Meloeta / Genesect / Victini)
Double Battles
L1-50 stays the same / L51-100 are leveled down to 50
Species Clause
Item Clause
Self KO clause
If you hit run you're a noob and you lose
None of the common clauses like sleep / hax items / whatever

Human Being
18th April 2011, 10:27 PM
Unova Pokemon Only. Reshiram and Zekrom and Kyurem and event only pokemon such as Vicitini and the yet-unreleased Genesect as examples.

Rest is like last year's rules other than there is supposed to be a new self-ko clause implemented in the game.

And to your last question we don't know the locations of any regionals other than Nationals, Worlds and what is supposed to be at Dallas Texas on May 28th.

*ninja'd*

dodohead272
19th April 2011, 12:51 AM
ok thanks guys

TerraWolf
19th April 2011, 8:10 PM
No nationals this year

Swagmander
19th April 2011, 8:57 PM
Holy crap! I just found out my family is vacationing to New Jersey on June 17th!! I wasn't planning on going to the VGC's, until now...

lucario beast
19th April 2011, 9:18 PM
man theres not a place near me that i can go wish there was like last year o well

mattj
20th April 2011, 2:55 AM
Full, Confirmed 2011 VGC Rules, Dates, and Locations. (http://www.pokemonvgc.com/en)

Discuss.

cantab
20th April 2011, 4:55 AM
I am highly likely to be attending the UK Nats. Not gonna sleep in like I did last year!

lucario beast
21st April 2011, 2:37 AM
Full, Confirmed 2011 VGC Rules, Dates, and Locations. (http://www.pokemonvgc.com/en)

Discuss.

thanks for the list now im going got to think of a team this year im in it 2 win it

DBK
21st April 2011, 4:43 AM
Hey all! Been gone for a few months, but I'm back! Definitely going to enter the VGC's this year. I didn't fair well last year and need to redeem myself.

I'm glad they're doing the NE Regional in Newark, NJ again. 20 min drive for the win!

And as usual, I'll be supporting my Serebii shirt, and again be the only one to represent. :P

I look forward to meeting some of my fellow SPPFers again (if they are going to the one in Jersey) and hopefully the rest if I make it to the Nats (or attend the LCQ).

Good luck to everyone!!!

edit: Any thoughts on pokemon restrictions for this year? I don't believe their reasoning for it. Especially when they added a Masters devision. My guess, too many Ducks and Skarmblissers made it to the end and they didn't like that. They probably didn't like the saturation of weather teams, either. And the lvl 50 cap? Probably because the "cap" last year gave the 2 groups too much of an advantage. Just my 2 cents on the matter.

edit 2: Since IVs don't take effect until you reach lvl 100, would there be any point to IV breed, or can that be ignored? Or does that extra boost remain if you are at 100 before getting capped? Probably a dumb question, but since I have been out of the game for a while, I can't for the life of me remember. :P

BadIntent
21st April 2011, 7:46 AM
Hey all! Been gone for a few months, but I'm back!

edit: Any thoughts on pokemon restrictions for this year? I don't believe their reasoning for it. Especially when they added a Masters devision. My guess, too many Ducks and Skarmblissers made it to the end and they didn't like that. They probably didn't like the saturation of weather teams, either. And the lvl 50 cap? Probably because the "cap" last year gave the 2 groups too much of an advantage. Just my 2 cents on the matter.

edit 2: Since IVs don't take effect until you reach lvl 100, would there be any point to IV breed, or can that be ignored? Or does that extra boost remain if you are at 100 before getting capped? Probably a dumb question, but since I have been out of the game for a while, I can't for the life of me remember. :P

I'm positive they didn't alter any of their rulings because of any specific groups of players. TPCi was probably tired of seeing the same exact strategies over and over. If they allowed for all the Pokemon, the game would feature basically the same stuff as 2009. I think it's fair for them to want a break from that. The auto-level 50 cap is the same as last year and that doesn't give anyone an advantage at all.

IVs take effect at all levels. It's just not exactly 1 stat point for each IV at level 50. Some are skipped over. Like a Pokemon with 30 IV in speed could have the same speed as one with 29.

SP-Eevee
21st April 2011, 1:51 PM
Same as last year so I am most certainly in. Need to get my team together though, having troubling getting the Pokemon themselves with my RNGing attempts going pretty badly.

IcySealeo
21st April 2011, 6:17 PM
I have some questions;
If I use the PokeSav correctly, can they still catch me?
And can I use Pokemon with the DW abillity? Cause there's a problem. And someone knows how can I get a Snivy with it's DW abillity?
And there are ONLY double battles? Even the finals?

DBK
21st April 2011, 7:17 PM
I'm positive they didn't alter any of their rulings because of any specific groups of players. TPCi was probably tired of seeing the same exact strategies over and over. If they allowed for all the Pokemon, the game would feature basically the same stuff as 2009. I think it's fair for them to want a break from that. The auto-level 50 cap is the same as last year and that doesn't give anyone an advantage at all.

IVs take effect at all levels. It's just not exactly 1 stat point for each IV at level 50. Some are skipped over. Like a Pokemon with 30 IV in speed could have the same speed as one with 29.

My apologies. The cap was 50 last year too. Like I said, it's been a while. I'm a little rusty.

As for the IVs, yeah I remember now. Thanks for the clarification.

I understand the need for a break from the same old strategies (weather teams are so last year :P) but I still think the change is due in part to the Ducks/Skarmblissers/hardcore competitors (since they are the ones who tend to win these every year). Otherwise, they wouldn't have added another division. The only purpose I see in doing that would be to separate the hardcore competitors (who are generally of the older crowd) from everyone else. Not that I don't like them (although some of the Ducks do rub me the wrong way), I'm just saying that it is probably one of the reasons for the change.

Another question for thought: What would be the reason for not allowing Ram and Rom?

@ PBRMASTER: Yeah only doubles. As for your other questions, I think as long as you keep the IVs and EVs within legal limits (which I know they check) and it's moves and abilities are ones that it can have legally (although if you have a DW ability that hasn't been released by then, that could pose a problem) then you should be alright. At least as far as I know. If anyone knows different, please speak up.

*I don't condone cheating by the way, I was just saying*

IcySealeo
21st April 2011, 7:55 PM
I mean, how can I get a Snivy from DW? And if I can't, then why it has a special abillity there?

DBK
21st April 2011, 8:09 PM
I mean, how can I get a Snivy from DW? And if I can't, then why it has a special abillity there?

I'm not very familiar with the DW, so I can't really say. It does have a DW ability, which is why it's there, it's probably just not available yet. I would read up on the DW section on Serebii.net to better understand that.

IcySealeo
21st April 2011, 8:19 PM
Well, I'm very excited about this WC, because it might be my first WC. Because I don't live in Europe or USA, I have to come all the way to the Last Chance thing, and compete there. And I'll need to save money to pay for the airfare. I think that my team is awsome, and I really think I'll succeed in that tournament.

DBK
21st April 2011, 8:36 PM
Well, I'm very excited about this WC, because it might be my first WC. Because I don't live in Europe or USA, I have to come all the way to the Last Chance thing, and compete there. And I'll need to save money to pay for the airfare. I think that my team is awsome, and I really think I'll succeed in that tournament.

Well, you won't beat me, but at least you'll have fun. :P

mattj
21st April 2011, 10:57 PM
Same as last year so I am most certainly in. Need to get my team together though, having troubling getting the Pokemon themselves with my RNGing attempts going pretty badly.
There should be a link in the OP to the skarmbliss live tourney thread. You can win my RNGs just by participating. Plus it's great practice.

I have some questions;
If I use the PokeSav correctly, can they still catch me?...
don't

...but I still think the change is due in part to the Ducks/Skarmblissers/hardcore competitors (since they are the ones who tend to win these every year). Otherwise, they wouldn't have added another division. The only purpose I see in doing that would be to separate the hardcore competitors (who are generally of the older crowd) from everyone else. ...Mike already said they did it to line up with the TCG which has had 3 divisions for a while.


Another question for thought: What would be the reason for not allowing Ram and Rom? You mean ... emulators? Lol because TPCi doesn't get any money when you steal the game.


I mean, how can I get a Snivy from DW? And if I can't, then why it has a special abillity there?
you
can't
And if anybody sees you using one, they'll calmly raise their hand and get you disqualified.

So far, no Unova mons have been released in the DW. They'll probably be released later on.

DBK
22nd April 2011, 3:02 AM
You mean ... emulators? Lol because TPCi doesn't get any money when you steal the game.

lol I meant Reshiram and Zekrom. I don't use emulators. :P

Did not now that about the TCGCs. I still like my theories, though. :)

Pkmn_Collector
22nd April 2011, 9:10 AM
im surprised that they are holding the VGC's this year at the same place as last year in NJ.but then again last year NJ regionals was the only place that filled up the capacity of masters anyways.i remember alot of people got turned down and some of the people from the 08 and 09 people were turned down.

TerraWolf
22nd April 2011, 2:25 PM
DC cause I'll have to deal with Ray at Newark

lunar22
22nd April 2011, 5:46 PM
I'd like to get to one of these someday, but at the moment I just settle for playing it on PO.

Zachmac
22nd April 2011, 5:58 PM
What kind of battle is it? Single, Double, Triple, or Rotation?

Edit:Never Mind. They're double battles.

lol I meant Reshiram and Zekrom. I don't use emulators. :P

Did not now that about the TCGCs. I still like my theories, though. :)Those two are just too powerful.

Sarracenia
23rd April 2011, 4:51 PM
DC cause I'll have to deal with Ray at Newark

No you won't, cause he isn't playing there! :P

But yeah Ray is a total beast, there's only him and Yoshi that I lose to on a regular basis these days.

TerraWolf
23rd April 2011, 6:35 PM
No you won't, cause he isn't playing there! :P

But yeah Ray is a total beast, there's only him and Yoshi that I lose to on a regular basis these days.

He said on Skarmbliss that he's doing Newark

SP-Eevee
23rd April 2011, 9:56 PM
There should be a link in the OP to the skarmbliss live tourney thread. You can win my RNGs just by participating. Plus it's great practice.



Are there any tournaments on the Pokemon Online service that would count towards this? Since I pretty much don't have a team to compete with in the first place. XD;;

Hopefully I can get a makeshift team done to compete next week.