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Sabonea_Masukippa
30th October 2010, 12:10 AM
A meme you say? Never heard of it. I think people should have waited to get it's English name officially revealed before starting such things though, just to be on the safe side. Anyway, I'm not all found of the name "Smugleaf" but I wouldn't be surprised if that's Tsutarja's final name. Most people predict the English names of certain Pokemon quite easily. I remember someone here accurately predicting that Naetle would be dubbed Turtwig back in 2007.

When Turtwig wasn't that hard to guess, really, plus it's not that far off of the meaning of the Japanese name. In fact, many, if not most, DP Pokemon were really just translations of the words, puns and/or ideas of the Japanese names except for stuff that didn't work culturally (like Spiritomb).

I'm just worried that since Daruma aren't that well known that Darumakka and Hihidaruma will become something like Chimpurn and Baburn, which would be ... urgh.

Also, with Gear, I think NoA might go back to their roots in RB days and call them something plain like Geer, Gigeer, and Gigageer .

Also, a couple more awful names:
Choroneko: Purglar (Purr + burglar)
Chaobuu: Hoglow (hog+glow), Warmthog (warmth, hog, warthog), Porkoal (pork + coal)
Futachimaru: Shellmurai (samurai+shell)
Nattorei: Steedle (steel+needle)

Hejiru
30th October 2010, 12:54 AM
When Turtwig wasn't that hard to guess, really, plus it's not that far off of the meaning of the Japanese name. In fact, many, if not most, DP Pokemon were really just translations of the words, puns and/or ideas of the Japanese names except for stuff that didn't work culturally (like Spiritomb).

I'm just worried that since Daruma aren't that well known that Darumakka and Hihidaruma will become something like Chimpurn and Baburn, which would be ... urgh.

Also, with Gear, I think NoA might go back to their roots in RB days and call them something plain like Geer, Gigeer, and Gigageer .

Also, a couple more awful names:
Choroneko: Purglar (Purr + burglar)
Chaobuu: Hoglow (hog+glow), Warmthog (warmth, hog, warthog), Porkoal (pork + coal)
Futachimaru: Shellmurai (samurai+shell)
Nattorei: Steedle (steel+needle)

I rather like Purglar :D

Shellmurai sounds nice, too, but I think I'd prefer Shellmet or Shellord. Maybe Futachimaru could be Shellmurai and Daikenki could be Shellmet or Shellord.
EDIT: I just realized you meant Futachimaru in the first place; I thought I read Daikenki. Never mind. :p

I honestly don't remember many of the guesses for 4th Gen, but I do remember that the most widely guessed name for Dodaitos (Torterra) was Terratoise. Kinguin was common for Empoleon. People gussed Tonglue for Lickilicky (would've been better IMO) And a few people got upset when Korobooshi was revealed to be "Kricketot" after so many guessed Kricketune, which was much betteru. Never occured to us they saving that name for its evo. Oh, and I was one of the first to discover Bunyatto's name, but I misspelled it "Purrugly". And Piplup was widely reported to have kept the name "Pochama" for some reason. I know a lot of ENglish names came out when a photo of some pog things leaked, but it was hard to make out some of the names, so we misspelled a lot of them. "Croalurk" "Happini" "Snelios" (Shellos), "Spike" (Shinx) and "Bidodi" (Bidoof)
Sigh.... good times.

[aka]
30th October 2010, 1:34 AM
Futachimaru: Shellmurai (samurai+shell)
I much prefer Otterai; for Daikenki I like Samuraion

Lorde
30th October 2010, 4:19 AM
I just took a look at the new trading card artwork for the Black/White Starter set, and I have mixed feelings about them. I think the artists really captured Janovy's, Yanappu's, and Pokabu's good side but there were some cards that didn't get the best artwork. Mijumaru looks fat in it's card which would have been cute, had they not fudged up it's face. Koromori's artwork is even worse since it's nose is sticking out and it looks like a pencil eraser I once had when I was younger.

Luxrayess
30th October 2010, 4:27 AM
^Not to mention the trading card Futachimaru looks pretty pudgy compared to Ken's original artwork.

Sabonea_Masukippa
30th October 2010, 7:48 AM
are the pokemon going to get different names when they translate it into english? i hope so because the names dont sound like pokemon to me.

Yes, of course they are. (Well, most of them) Some will keep their Japanese names, or romanizations of them, but most will get brand new names.

Here are the ones that I think *might* be kept/romanized/only slightly altered:

Bikutini --> Victini
Enbuoh --> Emboar
Yooteri --> Yorterri
Reopaadasu --> Leopardas, Leopardath, Leopardash, Leopardth
Munna --> Same
Mushaana --> Musharna
Zeburaika --> Zebrike (although raika means thunder and lightning in Japanese...)
Gantoru--> Gantle
Gigaiasu --> Gigaiath
Nageki --> Same
Dageki --> Same
Marakkachi --> Maracatchy, Maracatchi
Shinboraa --> Symbolar, Symbollar
Aaken --> Archen
Aakeosu --> Archeos
Zoroa --> Zorua
Zoroaaku --> Zoroark (I believe confirmed)
Chiraamii --> Chillarmy
Chirachiino --> Chillachino
Suwanna --> Swanna
Emonga --> Emonga
Giaru --> Geer
Ranpuraa --> Lamplar, Lampular
Sahndera --> Chandela, Chandelar
Furiijio --> Freezio
Kurimugan --> Crimgan
Uooguru --> Wargle, Worgle
Aianto --> Irant
And then, obviously, the legendaries will be largely untouched.

Chimecho3000
30th October 2010, 7:56 AM
lol wtf, Barujina gives 2 Sp.Attack EVs...its worse stat. =\

That's more screwed up than Chatot and Yanmega.

Ophie
30th October 2010, 8:12 AM
I just took a look at the new trading card artwork for the Black/White Starter set, and I have mixed feelings about them. I think the artists really captured Janovy's, Yanappu's, and Pokabu's good side but there were some cards that didn't get the best artwork. Mijumaru looks fat in it's card which would have been cute, had they not fudged up it's face. Koromori's artwork is even worse since it's nose is sticking out and it looks like a pencil eraser I once had when I was younger.

Kagemaru Himeno (the starters) is pretty unique among the illustrators in that she always comes up with a story for each illustration she makes. She then condenses that story into one image and uses it as the card's illustration.

Masakazu Fukuda (Koromori, among a whole bunch of others) interprets the Pokémon designs pretty loosely, applying his own artistic license to them. I certainly remember the Kirlia cards he's illustrated, where he gave them extra-long and slender legs.

Clay Psyduck
30th October 2010, 8:22 AM
Sorry to pop up in your name discussions, but I wanted to share this pumpkin I made today.

http://i51.*******.com/33agx9s.jpg

Otamaro. Win? lol

Lorde
30th October 2010, 12:53 PM
Masakazu Fukuda (Koromori, among a whole bunch of others) interprets the Pokémon designs pretty loosely, applying his own artistic license to them. I certainly remember the Kirlia cards he's illustrated, where he gave them extra-long and slender legs.

I'm all for artistic innovations, but that Koromori just doesn't sit right with me. It lost most of it's appeal in that card. I've never seen those Kirlia cards, but by the way you're describing them, I can pretty much picture them now.


Sorry to pop up in your name discussions, but I wanted to share this pumpkin I made today.

Otamaro. Win? lol

Usually, I don't see eye-to-eye with Otamaro because it looks so weak and useless, but that pumpkin carving is pretty amazing so I'll let it slide this time lol. I like it, and I wonder if there are other carvings based on some of the newer Pokemon. I've seen a pumpkin with Pikachu's face carved into it but not too many other interesting ideas.

Clay Psyduck
30th October 2010, 4:19 PM
I'm all for artistic innovations, but that Koromori just doesn't sit right with me. It lost most of it's appeal in that card. I've never seen those Kirlia cards, but by the way you're describing them, I can pretty much picture them now.



Usually, I don't see eye-to-eye with Otamaro because it looks so weak and useless, but that pumpkin carving is pretty amazing so I'll let it slide this time lol. I like it, and I wonder if there are other carvings based on some of the newer Pokemon. I've seen a pumpkin with Pikachu's face carved into it but not too many other interesting ideas.
I also had an idea to do Zuruggu. I had an idea for Meguroco but I didn't exactly know how to pull it off.

I was also thinking of Darumakka and Rankurusu, but I didn't follow through with drawing the designs for how it would look. And tons of non-Pokemon designs.

My girlfriend thought the Otamaro face looked hilarious, so I went for that.

I also wanted to do Whismur, and then add something for the ears, but I didn't know what I would use, so I didn't do it.

Looking on Google, I found a pretty awesome Weezing pumpkin and Spheal, but yeah. Too many Pikachu pumpkins. *sigh*

R_N
30th October 2010, 7:20 PM
So I'm not 100% certain but

http://pokebeach.com/news/1010/black-white-collection/tsutarja.gifhttp://pokebeach.com/news/1010/black-white-collection/jalorda.gif

I think these are using 3D models. They could also be the little figurines, though

LexSuicune
30th October 2010, 9:12 PM
Aw, that Darumakka pumpkig is amazing!

Lorde
30th October 2010, 9:18 PM
Aw, that Darumakka pumpkig is amazing!

Haha, it's actually an Otamaro pumpkin, not a Darumakka pumpkin. It even says so in the original post. I think Darumakka would have looked all right too, but Otamaro has that face that makes me laugh, so I've digging the choice of Otamaro myself. I would have personally liked a Koromori pumpkin however. Hopefully one with a decent nose ;)

AnorexicSnorlax
30th October 2010, 10:48 PM
re there somewhere the outword sprites of the new pokemon?

Royalty
31st October 2010, 2:55 AM
I don't quite care for the pokemon that inspired it, but the pumpkin carving is so cute. Great work. Someone should do the new fire ghosts. :)

R_N
31st October 2010, 3:38 AM
re there somewhere the outword sprites of the new pokemon?

Only for a few of them. In-game legends, Viktini, Keruido, Meleotta. Then you've got Chillarmy, Waruvile, Churine, Minezumi, Muuna, Musharna, Ulgamoth, Monmen, Zorua, and Shikijika

CptScorpion
31st October 2010, 3:45 AM
These 156 pokemon are amazing, complex, and diverse, but they are nothing like previous generations. It makes me feel like that none of the 493 pokemon from past generations exist anymore and none of them are ever obtainable and they will never be seen in the anime again. In the Best Wishes Saga, Pikachu would have been replaced by Emonga and Meowth would have been replaced by Choroneko because Emonga and Choroneko are similar to Pikachu and Meowth respectively. Ash's Isshu Team would have contained Emonga, Mamepato, Mijumaru, Pokabu, Tsutarja, and Meguroco. In Generation V, only pokemon who are numbered from 494 to 649 existed and to be available in Generation V Games. Mamanbou would have been Luvdisc's evolution, Emonga would have been Pachirisu's evolution, and Basurao would have been Carvanha's other evolution. Because they look very similar to these pokemon.

As of Generation V, none of the 493 pokemon exist anymore.

^^Yoshinichi^^
31st October 2010, 3:59 AM
So, does anyone have any Isshu Pokemon they used to hate but now like? I used to not be fond of Meguroko's evolutions(it's Stage 1 evolution, in particular), as I thought they should have gone a different path with how similar their eyes and whatnot were. They've grown on me now, and they almost made it on my future Black team. Same with Chilacinno. I still think it looks a little too much like Chillarmy, but the same could be said for Clefable and Clefairy.

ForeverFlame
31st October 2010, 5:04 AM
I hated Derpfish, the Saglizards, Umadpole, Rockbugcrab, and the Jellyfish, but I love them now.

Lorde
31st October 2010, 6:34 AM
I still don't see eye-to-eye with Pokemon like Shinbora, but I can now appreciate it's design a bit more since I finally managed to capture one a few days ago. I didn't used to like Gochiruzeru either, but now I love that Pokemon almost as much as I love Koromori, Mijumaru, and Meloetta. I'm also warming up to Denchura a bit, just because it has a unique type combination.

Royalty
31st October 2010, 7:09 AM
I honestly didn't care for more than half when they first came out. I saw them and just loved a couple dozen and didn't care for most of the rest. But now, the only ones I don't like are the Trash Pokemon (But just specifically because they are trash and I associate my phobia of mold with trash), Red Headed Dragon, and Kyurem (I like the Pokemon itself, but I do not care for its design as it currently is and really hope it gets a new form).

I didn't like the Dark/Fighting Lizards, but now I can't wait to have one on my team.

Raikou_fan
31st October 2010, 5:48 PM
When all the new pkmn were released, I really had a love/hate thing for them. I either loved them, or I hated them. However, the longer they've been released, and the more I've seen them, the more they've started to grow on me. I actually love nearly all of them now.

In fact, many pkmn that I originally disliked have become some of my new favorites! I even like the starters, whose evos I originally thought were horrible (I'll never like emboar though. I HATE that it's another fire/fighting type)! Although I don't usually like bug types, the Bachuru/Denchura line has become one of my favorites from any gen. Also, I don't usually use any normal types, but I love the Muurando line, and fully plan to train one. I love the little Schnauzer-lookin thing!

The only pkmn out of this gen I don't really care for now are the Baibanira line and the Dasutodasu line. Seriously, ice cream and garbage??? It's like they just ran out of ideas and needed pokedex fillers...

LexSuicune
31st October 2010, 6:21 PM
What's your favourite fighting Pokemon this time around guys?

Mine has to be Kojondo <3

Dr. Leggs
1st November 2010, 5:06 AM
I honestly didn't care for more than half when they first came out. I saw them and just loved a couple dozen and didn't care for most of the rest.

I'm basically in the same boat; when I first saw them a specific few caught my eye, but I didn't have a particular opinion on the rest. Since then, though, a huge number of the new Pokemon have become some favourites of mine from this generation. Particular ones would be Musharna, Gigaiath (I'm really excited to use this guy), Kokoromori, Pendra, Iwapalace, Zuruzukin, Dustdasu, Oobemu, etc.

The only ones left that I really dislike are Nageki, Dageki, Cobaluon, the Otamaru line and Tabunne. I still can't get over how much I detest them. ~_~ I may warm up to them at some point but I have a feeling I won't.

My favourite Fighting-type this generation is a three-way tie between Zuruzukin, Kludeo and Rohpushin.

Jolteon91
1st November 2010, 5:19 AM
My Favourite 5th gen Pokemon from the moment I laid eyes on it is Akeosu, there are quite a few I outright hate purely based on the designs of them, like Otamaru and its evos.

[aka]
1st November 2010, 5:21 AM
What's your favourite fighting Pokemon this time around guys?

Mine has to be Kojondo <3

I really admire Kojofuu and Kojondo's design; I love the idea of a graceful Fighting-type, and they fit that perfectly. (Not to mention the beastly speed stat it comes with.)

Personally, though, I've gotta say that I love the Dokkora line. I think their design is very unique and essentially bad-***. I mean, what's more menacing that a Pokémon with bulging veins using Wake-Up Slap by hitting you with an I-beam? And a Roobushin using Earthquake would be as easy as slamming it's pillars. I'm super-excited to see these guys in action in Best Wishes. :D

EDIT: I also love the Musketeers. :D

Lorde
1st November 2010, 5:51 AM
What's your favourite fighting Pokemon this time around guys?

Mine has to be Kojondo <3

I dislike them all to be honest. I respect Kojondo's design, but I don't "like it". I think that most of the Fighting-type Pokemon in Generation 5 look odd. Some of them like the Musketeer trio and Kerudio, don't look anything like Fighting-types and were probably only given that type because of the concept they were based on. I still think Game Freak would've done better without having resorted to giving them that type.

R_N
1st November 2010, 6:31 AM
The musketeers were probably given fighting typing because of what they were based on, yes.

That's why it isn't their primary typing.

Sabonea_Masukippa
1st November 2010, 6:45 AM
What's your favourite fighting Pokemon this time around guys?

Mine has to be Kojondo <3

After seeing the sketches of Ep20 of BW I've gotta say that Zuruggu is my favourite. It's just so adorable!

^^Yoshinichi^^
1st November 2010, 7:39 AM
After seeing the sketches of Ep20 of BW I've gotta say that Zuruggu is my favourite. It's just so adorable!

Oh yes, I like Zuruggu and Zuruzukin! Both my girlfriend and I love the whole concept based around them. She's definitely earned a spot on my team.

Royalty
1st November 2010, 6:45 PM
My favorite fighter this generation is definitely Zuruzukin (which is funny because I actually really didn't like him at first...but that was the sprite's fault) After I've seen bigger art and fan art, I really love him and think that he's just plain awesome!
He will totally be on my team.

Aurath8
1st November 2010, 7:12 PM
My favorite fighting type is Emboar. He appears unappreaciated as a starter because of his typing but we happy few know that the same typing =/= the same strategy, because of this underappreciation I felt it needed more love. And the flaming beard, pwns Daikenki's double mustache.

Lorde
1st November 2010, 7:14 PM
Zuruggu eh. I think I like the concept for it's design a bit. I like that it has a cute little quirk (the falling pants) but apart from that, it's a normal Pokemon to me. Zuruzukin's sprite sort of creeps me out a bit, so I'm not a fan of it at all. Maybe it's Ken Sugimori artwork will do it some justice though. All in all, the Fighting-types in this generation just aren't my favorite.

Slowemperor
1st November 2010, 7:20 PM
So, does anyone have any Isshu Pokemon they used to hate but now like?

Praticly, all of them. I actually I think this is the best description for what I felt on the appearance of this Gen. As the portuguese poet Fernando Pessoa said on Coca-Cola:
"Primeiro estranha-se, depois entranha-se." (First you strange, then you ingrain it.) (then you get to like it/you get used to it/you like it, can also do... it's hard to translate).
I even disliked Rankuru and Desukan, now among my favorites of all Gens. I felt the same thing for Gen IV, but now Gen V is higher in my consideration than Gen IV.
Recently I began to like Zuzurkin and Gigigear. I really hated them and now I actually liked them. And Pendora too. Which makes the ice-cream line the only line I disliked and I still do (some I'm neutral to them like the snowflake or the polar bear... this Gen is rather cool in good Ice-types, but after Abomasnow, Frosslass, Mamoswine and Weavile, the type got a hard competition).

aggronFTW
1st November 2010, 7:49 PM
What's your favourite fighting Pokemon this time around guys?

Mine has to be Kojondo <3

Love Kojondo! not just my favourite fighting type, but one of my favourites of the gen and maybe overall. Like it's been said before a lot of the pokemon took a while to grow on me, but there were some that I loved from the get go, like warubiaru,sazandora, kirikizan and ononokusu, now I like pretty much all of them, still feel that the starters could have been better, don't hate me for saying that please.

Mr. E Goods
1st November 2010, 10:37 PM
What's your favourite fighting Pokemon this time around guys?

Mine has to be Kojondo <3

Birigion the grass/fighting legendary all the way. She is so magnificent.

Royalty
2nd November 2010, 12:29 AM
Birigion the grass/fighting legendary all the way. She is so magnificent.

I really like how it looks like it has wee lil boots. ;) Out of just that trio, I do like the grass/fighting one the most. But, out of the 4 of them, I like the water/fighting most.

R_N
2nd November 2010, 12:53 AM
Birigion the grass/fighting legendary all the way. She is so magnificent.

Considering the story Virizon is based on, she would most likely be a he.

SasakiThePikachu
2nd November 2010, 2:48 AM
Love Kojondo! not just my favourite fighting type, but one of my favourites of the gen and maybe overall. Like it's been said before a lot of the pokemon took a while to grow on me, but there were some that I loved from the get go, like warubiaru,sazandora, kirikizan and ononokusu, now I like pretty much all of them, still feel that the starters could have been better, don't hate me for saying that please.

Yes, the concept of a beautiful, graceful fighting type was waaay overdue...not all of them have to be steroid-enhanced powerpacks or Sumo-parodies.

Although Kojofu does look like Arthur off the BBC kid's show of the same name. Suspiciously so, just differently coloured. And dressed, lol.

The only thing that p's me off is that it doesn't evolve til level 50, and you don't get the little beggers til what, route 13 or something equally ridiculous? If I'm raising one at all it'll be in my 2nd or 3rd Ishu game, so that I can transfer over an egg and raise it from the beginning. Otherwise...no, it can go to hell. And its movepool isn't the best. Bur design wise? Kojondo is GORGEOUS! And the shiny *drools*

Mario with Lasers
2nd November 2010, 4:40 AM
Praticly, all of them. I actually I think this is the best description for what I felt on the appearance of this Gen. As the portuguese poet Fernando Pessoa said on Coca-Cola:
"Primeiro estranha-se, depois entranha-se." (First you strange, then you ingrain it.) (then you get to like it/you get used to it/you like it, can also do... it's hard to translate).

I guess it would be "first you find it weird, then it grows on you". I guess.

bookist
2nd November 2010, 5:15 AM
For me it depends. some did grow on me such as the new frog, but I think some never will such as the garbage pokemon. I do not think I will ever like that one.

MetalFlygon08
2nd November 2010, 5:30 AM
Emboar for me, I like heavy-set pokemon, and this one's not weak to Grass Knot. And once it gets Reckless, it will be KO'ing almost anything not immune to Electric, Fire, or Rock. If only Emboar got Submission to make reckless effect all 4 moves...

MetalFlygon08
2nd November 2010, 5:36 AM
Emboar for me, I like heavy-set pokemon, and this one's not weak to Grass Knot. And once it gets Reckless, it will be KO'ing almost anything not immune to Electric, Fire, or Rock. If only Emboar got Submission to make reckless effect all 4 moves...

Royalty
2nd November 2010, 6:14 AM
On the reverse side of the "favorite fighting" conversation line...
The fighting types I really don't like are Emboar. I don't like his line at all, he's the 3rd of his starter typing, and by picking him you become super effective against most of the gyms. I feel like there's no challenge or interesting aspects to him. (No offense Emboar fans)
The other fighting types I don't like are the Dokkora line. I feel like they are the cheap knock-off muppet versions of the Machop line...with props. :/


What's your favorite new Dark type?

For me, it's a tie between Zuruzukin because he's just a complete Thug Chollo and Kirikizan because he looks like a trained and deadly assassin. The only reason that Zuruzukin would come in first for me is because his fighting type makes him double powerful against Kirikizan.

R_N
2nd November 2010, 6:35 AM
I like Monozu the best.
It's the bowl cut that makes me like him more then the (also good) Sazandora. He's just so...funny to look at. I also like his color scheme.

Kirkizan is also pretty cool. Fantastic design and I think his line in general is pretty neat in concept. I'm still kind of surprised the Pokemon based off of super heroes is a dark type, though.

Really I like them all. Even the diaper vulture.

Lorde
2nd November 2010, 6:44 AM
For me, it's a tie between Zuruzukin because he's just a complete Thug Chollo and Kirikizan because he looks like a trained and deadly assassin. The only reason that Zuruzukin would come in first for me is because his fighting type makes him double powerful against Kirikizan.

Kirikizan is that red, Kamen Rider look-alike right? If so I like it. There's something about it's type combination that I find appealing; maybe it's because both types were introduced in Generation 2. I like that it's name is based on the word kirikizamu too, since it's one of the few Japanese words I actually know. Komatana on the other hand, is just fine with me.

c4tman
2nd November 2010, 8:08 AM
i love zuruzukin.. <3
btw i think you all will love all isshu pokemon after see this wallpaper :
http://c4tman.deviantart.com/art/Super-Derp-All-Isshu-Pokemon-184734125?q=&qo=

because everybody love DERP DERP.... :D

R_N
2nd November 2010, 8:16 AM
i love zuruzukin.. <3
btw i think you all will love all isshu pokemon after see this wallpaper :
http://c4tman.deviantart.com/art/Super-Derp-All-Isshu-Pokemon-184734125?q=&qo=

because everybody love DERP DERP.... :D

Awwww, the Raijinns and the anteater are just adorable in this style

Lorde
2nd November 2010, 8:26 AM
i love zuruzukin.. <3
btw i think you all will love all isshu pokemon after see this wallpaper :
http://c4tman.deviantart.com/art/Super-Derp-All-Isshu-Pokemon-184734125?q=&qo=

because everybody love DERP DERP.... :D

What is this "derp derp" of which you speak? I am not familiar with the kid's trends these days. Anyway, I like what I'm seeing for the most part. Zorua and Mijumaru actually look cuter than ever, if that's even possible. I like that Basurao and the Chobomaki line don't look horribly depressing in that style too; a plus indeed. The only downside is that Meloetta looks utterly ugly. I'm using this as my wallpaper for now on though, since it might make me appreciate all of the new pokemon.

Royalty
2nd November 2010, 8:46 AM
i love zuruzukin.. <3
btw i think you all will love all isshu pokemon after see this wallpaper :
http://c4tman.deviantart.com/art/Super-Derp-All-Isshu-Pokemon-184734125?q=&qo=

because everybody love DERP DERP.... :D

They all look so shocked except for Zuruzukin, who looks less than amused. It also makes Kyurem look SO MUCH better!!

Rakurai
2nd November 2010, 1:09 PM
i love zuruzukin.. <3
btw i think you all will love all isshu pokemon after see this wallpaper :
http://c4tman.deviantart.com/art/Super-Derp-All-Isshu-Pokemon-184734125?q=&qo=

because everybody love DERP DERP.... :D

That picture would've been perfect if the artist had just given all three of Sazandora's heads the derp look.

Lorde
2nd November 2010, 2:15 PM
That picture would've been perfect if the artist had just given all three of Sazandora's heads the derp look.

That would've been terrible in my opinion. I think that Sazandora is one of the few Dragon-type Pokemon introduced in this generation that I actually like, so making it look too "derpish" would have ruined the motif for me haha. I love Pokemon with a unique type combination. Monozu looks cute so it's an instant favorite of mine. Jiheddo is the only member of the evolutionary family I don't appreciate fully, but I like the other two for the most part. I wish we had my Dragon-type Pokemon like Sazandora. It just looks so fierce. I'm not used to seeing that in Pokemon designs, but I would love to see that used a lot more in the future.

LexSuicune
2nd November 2010, 2:28 PM
;11742213']I really admire Kojofuu and Kojondo's design; I love the idea of a graceful Fighting-type, and they fit that perfectly. (Not to mention the beastly speed stat it comes with.)

Personally, though, I've gotta say that I love the Dokkora line. I think their design is very unique and essentially bad-***. I mean, what's more menacing that a Pokémon with bulging veins using Wake-Up Slap by hitting you with an I-beam? And a Roobushin using Earthquake would be as easy as slamming it's pillars. I'm super-excited to see these guys in action in Best Wishes. :D

EDIT: I also love the Musketeers. :D

Yes! So graceful and fast! I love it.

I also LOVE the fighting legendaries, specially Virizion and Keldeo.

SasakiThePikachu
2nd November 2010, 3:48 PM
That picture would've been perfect if the artist had just given all three of Sazandora's heads the derp look.

*silent thumbs up* :D

Ophie
2nd November 2010, 9:17 PM
So I'm not 100% certain but

http://pokebeach.com/news/1010/black-white-collection/tsutarja.gifhttp://pokebeach.com/news/1010/black-white-collection/jalorda.gif

I think these are using 3D models. They could also be the little figurines, though

Do you know who the illustrators are? Some only do 3-D CGI, some only draw 2-D, and some do both.

Ever since the Diamond/Pearl sets, there have been a growing number of the 3-D stuff. It came to a maximum in the Platinum and Rising Rivals sets; all of the Team Galactic Pokémon, Supporters, and Trainers were 3-D CGI except for the Sugimori stock art.


The only thing that p's me off is that it doesn't evolve til level 50, and you don't get the little beggers til what, route 13 or something equally ridiculous? If I'm raising one at all it'll be in my 2nd or 3rd Ishu game, so that I can transfer over an egg and raise it from the beginning. Otherwise...no, it can go to hell. And its movepool isn't the best. Bur design wise? Kojondo is GORGEOUS! And the shiny *drools*

One of your complaints answered another--the reason why it doesn't evolve until Level 50 is because you find it very late in the game. By then, the Pokémon are at levels 40 to 45. The ones you can catch won't take very long for them to evolve.

By the way, I've seen some interesting Kojondos over YouTube. The primary strategy I've seen is to use Fake Out, then U-Turn to a defensive, bulky Pokémon. It holds a Life Orb to increase damage. Due to Regeneration, each time it comes back to do another cycle of Fake Out and U-Turn, the health it lost is restored.


Kirkizan is also pretty cool. Fantastic design and I think his line in general is pretty neat in concept. I'm still kind of surprised the Pokemon based off of super heroes is a dark type, though.

Sentai superheroes tend to face off against sentai supervillains if they aren't battling monsters-of-the-week. Having the Dark-type, Kirikizan could be based on those costumed villains, rather than the (more iconic) heroes.

R_N
3rd November 2010, 12:28 AM
Do you know who the illustrators are? Some only do 3-D CGI, some only draw 2-D, and some do both.

Ever since the Diamond/Pearl sets, there have been a growing number of the 3-D stuff. It came to a maximum in the Platinum and Rising Rivals sets; all of the Team Galactic Pokémon, Supporters, and Trainers were 3-D CGI except for the Sugimori stock art.
Oh, I don't know....uh...okay here we go Pokebeach also had the full sizes.

"5ban Graphics"
Or maybe 5bon Graphics




Sentai superheroes tend to face off against sentai supervillains if they aren't battling monsters-of-the-week. Having the Dark-type, Kirikizan could be based on those costumed villains, rather than the (more iconic) heroes.
That's true, and Komatana in particular looks villainous I suppose.

also omg your rotation battle team
I'm incredibly interested to see how you'll be using them.

MetalFlygon08
3rd November 2010, 12:33 AM
Anyone Notice...Zuruzukan's mohawk is shaped and colored like a chicken comb, and the 'gangstah' stereotypically is African American, and stereotypically that ethnic group likes Fried Chicken...

also on Zuruzukan, what's it chewing in it's animation? I think it's dried pieces of it's old hide.

R_N
3rd November 2010, 12:50 AM
Anyone Notice...Zuruzukan's mohawk is shaped and colored like a chicken comb, and the 'gangstah' stereotypically is African American, and stereotypically that ethnic group likes Fried Chicken...


*has 10 aneurysms*

Sabonea_Masukippa
3rd November 2010, 2:21 AM
*has 10 aneurysms*

That's not quite as bad as the person who thought that Zuruggu was short for Zulu + Thug.

(fyi, anyone who wants to argue that, zuruzuru is Japanese for the sound of dragging or something being loose, so yeah)

O Fortuna
3rd November 2010, 3:04 AM
Answer to both questions would have to be Zuruzukin. Best fighting type introduced this gen, and also best dark type.

Royalty
3rd November 2010, 3:28 AM
Answer to both questions would have to be Zuruzukin. Best fighting type introduced this gen, and also best dark type.

*Insert Family Feud Style Clapping and Answer Here*
Good Answer! Good Answer!

;)

I love him. I can't wait to have one of him on my team. It's funny cause I didn't like him at first. But after seeing him more and seeing fan art, I love him.



So...what's everyone's new favorite Grass type?
I honestly love Jaroda, but I think I like Doredia a little more.

MetalFlygon08
3rd November 2010, 3:34 AM
Grass...I like Yanakk, it's elvitastic!

R_N
3rd November 2010, 3:48 AM
Oh god how do you expect me to choose?!

Like all of the grass types are awesome this time around. Erufuun is adorable, Jarlorda is so regal, Doredia is regal and adorable, Yanakkii oozes style (also the best of the three monkeys), Marakachi has a fun design, Kurumiru is also adorable and its evolution certainly has this certain appeal, Mebukijika looks awesome 3/4ths of the time...

Rakurai
3rd November 2010, 4:16 AM
Jalorda by about a mile.

Honorable mention goes to Yanakkii.

^^Yoshinichi^^
3rd November 2010, 4:38 AM
Yanakki, Smuglord, Erufuun, Nattorei.....I like all of them, honestly. It's so unfair to make me choose. I'd have to say Smugleaf, though. He wins this, no contest. I love how confident and smug he looks, and he's getting a spot on my team.

Sabonea_Masukippa
3rd November 2010, 4:43 AM
Hmm, my favourite grass type??

Maracatchy

And my other favourites in no particular order:
Jalorda
Yanakkie (come on, it's give the thumbs up in its sprite!)
Hahakomori
Tesseed
Natorei
Erufuun
Monmen
Churine
Doreidia
Virizion
Kurumiru
Kurumayu
Tsutarja
Janoby
Yanappu
Tamatakage
Morobareru
Shikijika
Mebukijika!

Atoyont
3rd November 2010, 5:03 AM
So delightfully selective, aren't we? :P

Nattorei, whatever it's based off of, is amazing. I like the basic concept of its motion, too.

Monmen's sprite looks a little sloppy, but I like the Pok&#233;mon.

Kurumayu is probably my least favorite, due to bad experiences training against it, as well as its stupid little erratic animation. Hahakomori dropped a bit when I saw, in its Sugimori art, that it was smiling just like Kurumayu.

Mario with Lasers
3rd November 2010, 6:24 AM
Anyone Notice...Zuruzukan's mohawk is shaped and colored like a chicken comb, and the 'gangstah' stereotypically is African American, and stereotypically that ethnic group likes Fried Chicken...

also on Zuruzukan, what's it chewing in it's animation? I think it's dried pieces of it's old hide.

Cool, I think I'm nicknaming my Zuruzukin "Jazz" then.


And my Poliwrath "Uncle Phil". OVERHEAD THROW

LexSuicune
3rd November 2010, 6:47 AM
I hate Zuruzukin and the whole baggy pants skin thingy. Ugh

MetalFlygon08
3rd November 2010, 6:50 AM
I'm growing fond of it pesonally, it's odd, probally has somthing to do with me living near the St. Louis area...

O Fortuna
3rd November 2010, 8:02 AM
I love him. I can't wait to have one of him on my team. It's funny cause I didn't like him at first. But after seeing him more and seeing fan art, I love him.

I am using it in my current in-game team in Black. I traded a Smeargle over so it could have Dragon Dance, Ice Punch and Drain Punch (not a competitive team, just a fun one) and it is a beast. I love it so.


So...what's everyone's new favorite Grass type?

Nattorei. Again, using one in my current in-game team and it is incredibly good. I can understand why everyone on Smogon loves it.

I also love the Melarva and Goruggo I have on my team, but Daikenki and Tsunbear are leaving me cold (no pun intended).

Sponge
3rd November 2010, 9:23 AM
My favourite grass type this gen....would probably be Marakacchi and Jalorda is pretty cool too.

It's hard to choose Kurumiru and it's evos are really cool too.

Ophie
3rd November 2010, 10:32 AM
My favorite Grass-type is Elfoon. It's adorable, and it's a little devil. Despite its seemingly messed up below-mediocre stats, its Ability allows it to be extra-annoying. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-f3k2egxpI)

Of course, the version counterpart, Doredia, is awesome too. It is quite sexy.

Lorde
3rd November 2010, 10:44 AM
Doreida really is more my cup of tea. That's probably because I've used one in the actual games and have used it to battle several times. There's something about Churine that I liked right away and I decided to use it as my main Grass-type Pokemon in White version. I evolved it soon after in Raimon City and it's evolved form, Doreida, has been one of my most dependable Pokemon.

LexSuicune
3rd November 2010, 1:31 PM
My favourite grass type surely is Virizion, it's very regal, I quite like it.

As for Pokemon, Doreida for me as well. Reminds me of Lilymon a bit :p

MetalFlygon08
3rd November 2010, 5:19 PM
Virizon's cool in the fact that you get coverage almost anywhere in the US!
lolpuns aside...

What's the your favorite non Fire/Ghost type?

R_N
3rd November 2010, 5:40 PM
Are you basically asking what is our non-Shanderra favorite Pokemon

because I don't think Shanderra would win as much as you think

ForeverFlame
3rd November 2010, 7:11 PM
All of the new bugs. Especially the ones with new type combinations.

Aurath8
3rd November 2010, 7:23 PM
Favorite grass? Hmm.
Yanakkie takes pole position. He's available early, he learns great moves early and he's
elvitastic! Win.
Second gets Mebukijika. It's absolutely gorgeous in it's Sugomori art, it's forms are great and has a new interesting typing. Great looking pokemon tend to have bad movepools or vice-versa(Archeos i'm looking at you) but Wood horn, Jump Kick, Wild Bolt make up a great movepool for something that has a serene nature, quadrupedal, can't slash or bite or anything other than full body tackles and kicking.

Sponge
3rd November 2010, 8:26 PM
Shandera, while I like it. Wouldn't be in my top ten favourite Isshu pokemon.

Slowemperor
3rd November 2010, 10:24 PM
Shandera, while I like it. Wouldn't be in my top ten favourite Isshu pokemon.

Me too. I like it but every time I see it I think "Drifblim is better" for some reason.

As on the type topics:
Favourite Fighting: Cobalon, but as it doesn't look like a fighting poké, Kojondo, for its looks and theme (makes me think of waterbenders) and Aura Sphere fits him just right.
Favourtie Dark: Sazandora, absolutly the best dark pokémon ever. For too long I've waited for a hydra pokémon, but it was worth it.
Favourite Grass: Jalorda, for it's royal smug look and for being an awsome usable snake pokémon. Honourable mencion to Mebujika for it's interesting design and mechanic, specially Summer and Winter Formes.

Lorde
3rd November 2010, 11:44 PM
Shandera, while I like it. Wouldn't be in my top ten favourite Isshu pokemon.

Same here. I like it but it's not the kind of Pokemon I'd have on my team. I like it's type combination a lot though, which is what makes it a decent Pokemon in my eyes. Ghost-types always have this odd allure so I cannot help but liking Shandera, even a little bit. I've seen tons of people with Shandera in their signatures so I'm going to take a wild guess and say it's pretty popular among the fans. I really think that Ranpuraa is cuter, but oh well :p

TsukiMirage
4th November 2010, 12:53 AM
Favorite Dark: Zorua and Zoroark, Cause I love foxes.
Favorite Fighting: Zuruggu, An awesome ghetto lizard.
Favorite Grass: Doredia, Because I love abusing Petal Dance.

Copley Hill Gym
4th November 2010, 1:33 AM
Just finished my ultra-intensive breeding program for a high IV Ononokuso.

I used a male Garchomp (31 IVs in attack and speed) with a standard, caught, female Kibago and used the attack Power Item to pass on the attack stats.

I needed a female with 31 attack IVs, so bred 50, and hatched 50, with roughly half all gaining the required stat, but only two females having the 31 IV in attack.

I then switched the power item for attack onto the chosen female Kibago with 31 attack IVs, and then put the speed power item on the male Garchomp.

87 hatched eggs later, I finally got one with the nature I wanted, and both stats passed on.

These are the stats at level 50 - with 4 EVs in HP, 252 EVs in Attack, and 252 EVs in Speed:

HP: 141
Attack: 218
Defense: 87
Special Attack: 77
Special Defense: 90
Speed: 148

The nature increases attack and decreases defense. Ideally I'd have liked special attack decreased, but after the 87 eggs I felt this was worth training up as an "interim" competitive Pokemon while I try and hatch one with better overall IVs.

Overall I'm pleased, the breeding mechanics seem to have stayed same, if not similar, and the rate in which you can get better Pokemon overall through decent, selective breeding pairs seems to be quicker overall. A good few day's work for what should be a bit of a powerhouse, offensively. I am thinking of choice scarfing this one.

Mario with Lasers
4th November 2010, 3:18 AM
Are you basically asking what is our non-Shanderra favorite Pokemon

because I don't think Shanderra would win as much as you think

Of course not, he just knows everybody loves Hitomoshi.


And as I have nothing else to do, I'd say my favorite Gen V pokémon, by type, are:

Rock - Gigaiath. Totally badass, and not useless competitively like Golem. They could have given it Ice Shard ("just because"), though.

Water - Abagoura and Rotom-W (lol). I never really liked Kabutops, so knowing there's a new Water/Rock that got Shell Break instead of it and has a chance of being better than it makes me happy, while Rotom-W has only one weakness no one really cares about, and has almost everything I wished a Lanturn evo would have.

Electric - Voltolos. I'd say Denchura or Rotom-H/W (lol), but man Voltolos kills everything on its way. It also has the best ("least worst"?) design of the three genies, and reminds me of Enel, so it's cool.

Grass - Jalorda/Doreida for rulers of Isshu. Jalorda got screwed with its movepool and typing, but Perversity more than made up for it; it's probably going to be the first Grass starter (or should I say Grass-type pokémon) to be a top 5 OU. Doreida got a bit unlucky and has to work out with Grass STAB and a Hidden Power as attacking moves (why didn't they make her Grass/Fire???), but she's adorable, has nice stats and Butterfly Dance+Petal Dance+Own Tempo (why didn't they make her Grass/Dragon?????), so whatever guys, I like her.

Poison - Pendoraa. Well it's the only new useful Toxic Spikes user, I *have* to like it lol.

Psychic - Gochimelle. She's cute n__n

Fire - Hitomoshi/Meraruba :3

Ground - Doryuuzu/Waruvial. I don't think I need to explain much, do I ?__?

Flying - Emonga, for not being a retarded Pachirisu clone (lol) and being actually useful in-game! I'd say Wargle instead, but it's not part-Fighting and didn't get Democracy Dance or anything, so yeah it's second to lol Emonga.

Bug - GLORIOUS ULGAMOTH. Kurumayu being a close second ("funny" design, lovely facial expression, cool - and useful - evolutionary line).

Normal - Muurando/Meloetta. One is a giant bearded dog with Scrappy and the other is a muse who can become a dancer and Close Combat everyone to hell and back... What's there to not like? Oh yeah, Voice Meloetta's Base Speed. 128 Base would make her faster than even Scarftar, meaning she could use Ancient Voice before its Crunch and lol at it, being part-Fighting. Meh, can't win them all.

Ghost - I'd say Goruugu for obvious reasons, but it sucks in battle so I'm going with Burungeru. It had everything I'd expect from a Water/Ghost jellyfish, except for Volt Absorb and Electric-type moves...

Fighting - Kojondo. Pretty design, nice color scheme, awesome stats and ability, etc etc. GF just forgot to give it Shadow Claw/Pursuit/Crunch... Well, whatever.

Steel - Nattorei takes the prize, as mine survived once a Hidden Power Fire from a Giratina-O under the sun and did ~70% with a CH Gyro Ball. My team wasn't even prepared for an Uber battle and that turn made my opponent forfeit lol. It's a shame it's Shandera bait, but besides that, I don't recall a single battle the bugger hasn't helped me. An amazing addition to any team, really.

Ice - Baibanira line as a whole. Man, I just wish they had a better movepool (and maybe typing but lol they're screwed on that already). Its stats are salvageable, it just needed ANYTHING to work with them. At least a signature stat-up move, anything...

Dragon - Tie between Reshiram and Sazandora. I've yet to use any of them lol, but their typings, looks and battle prowess made me really interested on both. I'm still disappointed with their Speed (90 Speed for a thing with a jet for an ***? 98 Speed for something with no way of boosting it? wtf) though, and I guess that's why I still haven't used them.

Dark - I like them all equally, I just hate the vulture line. **** you Vuljina.

R_N
4th November 2010, 5:38 AM
I really hope that RSE remakes and maybe the 3rd version add new sets of TMs, in addition to move tutors, to help expand the new Pokemon move pools faster then it took them to do it for the older ones.

also I was going to show you a picture of Vultina to try and sway your mind but google image search is useless and gave me this http://static.zerochan.net/full/49/34/254249.jpg and right now I'm sort of on the floor convulsing from cute

BCVM22
4th November 2010, 5:48 AM
Don't they normally maintain the TM sets through the generation so as not to upset item compatibility?

R_N
4th November 2010, 5:56 AM
You can't trade TMs anymore, iirc.

BCVM22
4th November 2010, 6:23 AM
What, seriously?

Never mind then, I suppose.

The Phoenix Lodge
4th November 2010, 6:42 AM
Well it is kind of expected that they can't be traded anymore seeing how you can only ever obtain them once due to the new unlimited use feature.

R_N
4th November 2010, 6:43 AM
It would be kind of pointless. I don't think you can even get more then one of any TM anymore. I know there's no Pickup TMs or Battle shop TMs anymore, and that the ones you can buy I think become sold out upon buying them.

And why need to? They are reusable now.

The Phoenix Lodge
4th November 2010, 6:53 AM
Assuming that by Battle Shop you mean the BP item stores, there actually some TMs that can be for 36 or 48BP.

R_N
4th November 2010, 7:17 AM
Assuming that by Battle Shop you mean the BP item stores, there actually some TMs that can be for 36 or 48BP.

http://serebii.net/blackwhite/battlesubway.shtml

No there's not

myriada
4th November 2010, 10:33 AM
http://serebii.net/blackwhite/battlesubway.shtml

No there's nothttp://serebii.net/blackwhite/tmhm.shtml

Yes there are

Mario with Lasers
4th November 2010, 10:41 AM
I really hope that RSE remakes and maybe the 3rd version add new sets of TMs, in addition to move tutors, to help expand the new Pokemon move pools faster then it took them to do it for the older ones.

also I was going to show you a picture of Vultina to try and sway your mind but google image search is useless and gave me this http://static.zerochan.net/full/49/34/254249.jpg and right now I'm sort of on the floor convulsing from cute

Which just proves further Baruchai is an ugly-*** bird. Can you imagine it being as cute as Kurumiru in that picture? Hell no.


And interesting idea about RSE's TM list. I just hope Stealth Rock doesn't make a comeback !__!

Lorde
4th November 2010, 12:00 PM
Favorite Dark: Zorua and Zoroark, Cause I love foxes.
Favorite Fighting: Zuruggu, An awesome ghetto lizard.
Favorite Grass: Doredia, Because I love abusing Petal Dance.

I love Zorua and Zoroark too, but they aren't my favorite Dark-type Pokemon in this generation. That honor goes to Choroneko and it's evolved form. There's something about them that I like; I suppose it's their design. I like how Choroneko looks a bit like Glameow, my favorite cat Pokemon. Lepardasu's cry sounds like a fart, so that's an added bonus I wasn't expecting.

R_N
4th November 2010, 5:48 PM
http://serebii.net/blackwhite/tmhm.shtml

Yes there are

Way to keep your pages consistent serebii

LexSuicune
4th November 2010, 6:49 PM
My favourite Dark type this time around would have to be Kirikizan.

Sponge
4th November 2010, 8:57 PM
For me Shandera was up for some very stiff competition as soon as I laid eyes on Desukan. :3

My favourite new dark type.....probably the Zuruggu family. The vulture family is growing on me too.

What's everyones favourite new Psychic type? For me It has to be Rankurusu, love him to bits. (Ranku and Desukan are my top two isshu pokemon) Also worth mention is The Gochiruzeru family and I also really like Shinbora. (Koromori is cute too, almost forgot him. His animated sprite is cool)

Does anyone else have this feeling that Kojondo should have been part Psychic too? It just has that look about it.

Aurath8
4th November 2010, 9:19 PM
Grass - Jalorda/Doreida for rulers of Isshu. Jalorda got screwed with its movepool and typing, but Perversity more than made up for it; it's probably going to be the first Grass starter (or should I say Grass-type pokémon) to be a top 5 OU. Doreida got a bit unlucky and has to work out with Grass STAB and a Hidden Power as attacking moves (why didn't they make her Grass/Fire???), but she's adorable, has nice stats and Butterfly Dance+Petal Dance+Own Tempo (why didn't they make her Grass/Dragon?????), so whatever guys, I like her.



Leaf Storm still lowers it's spatk even with Perversity. And a top five OU? Nattorei lulz at it and every other grass resisting steel does too. There are better supporters and walls too. UU at a stretch, but until it can (presumably) learn Aqua Tail through 3rd version tutors it'll be walled into the dirt by fire and steel types. If Hihidaruma is UU then Jaroda will be taking scarfed flare biltzs for a long time. It will end up NU or low UU. A good supporter but that bad typing and movepool holds it back.
Doredia isn't grass fire because that makes less sense than Maggyo. And if Jaroda was grass/dragon it leaves Emnbuoo with no way to counter it besides Ice Punch or something random like that.

LexSuicune
4th November 2010, 9:28 PM
Jarodia's stats are horrible, but I ADORE its design moreso than any other grass starter.

Will-powered Spriter
4th November 2010, 9:41 PM
Leaf Storm still lowers it's spatk even with Perversity.

Yes, but peversity causes Jaroda to act as if it's stats are inverted, so -2 acts as +2, and vice versa. It doesn't invert the effects of attacks on it's stats.

Jaroda is possibly my new favourite starter. If only it was better in game. Even glare as an egg move is unavailable on the first run through.

Atoyont
4th November 2010, 9:44 PM
And as I have nothing else to do, I'd say my favorite Gen V pokémon, by type, are:
And, because I have nothing else to do, I'll respond to yours!

Rock - Gigaiath. Totally badass, and not useless competitively like Golem. They could have given it Ice Shard ("just because"), though.

Gigaiath's cool, but Abagoura beats it IMO. Iwapalace is neat, as well, but it sucks, partially because Bug/Rock is one of the worst dual typings defensively, right up there by Water/Ice.

Water - Abagoura and Rotom-W (lol). I never really liked Kabutops, so knowing there's a new Water/Rock that got Shell Break instead of it and has a chance of being better than it makes me happy, while Rotom-W has only one weakness no one really cares about, and has almost everything I wished a Lanturn evo would have.
Kabutops is better than Abagoura and always will be AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :mad: And you seem to have forgotten about Omastar and Relicanth when it comes to that type combination. :V Anyway, I like both Basurao and Gamageroge. Mamanbou's neat only because of its basis.

Electric - Voltolos. I'd say Denchura or Rotom-H/W (lol), but man Voltolos kills everything on its way. It also has the best ("least worst"?) design of the three genies, and reminds me of Enel, so it's cool.
lol "least worst." Voltros is okay. Maggyo's better, though, because of its animation, even though defensively it's garbage.

Grass - Jalorda/Doreida for rulers of Isshu. Jalorda got screwed with its movepool and typing, but Perversity more than made up for it; it's probably going to be the first Grass starter (or should I say Grass-type pokémon) to be a top 5 OU. Doreida got a bit unlucky and has to work out with Grass STAB and a Hidden Power as attacking moves (why didn't they make her Grass/Fire???), but she's adorable, has nice stats and Butterfly Dance+Petal Dance+Own Tempo (why didn't they make her Grass/Dragon?????), so whatever guys, I like her.

I pretty much like all of the new Grass Types except for the Kurumiru line. And yes, Doredia's movepool (offensively, anyway), is terrible.

Poison - Pendoraa. Well it's the only new useful Toxic Spikes user, I *have* to like it lol.
Morobareru's quite bulky and has an amusing design (bad cry though). I do like all of the Poison types introduced this generation, though.

Psychic - Gochimelle. She's cute n__n
Nah, Oobemu for me. Gothmons are weird.

Fire - Hitomoshi/Meraruba :3
Kuitaran's got a nifty design, but it's awful. I like most designs, except for Lamplar.

Ground - Doryuuzu/Waruvial. I don't think I need to explain much, do I ?__?
Doryuuzu does need explanation; it's extremely ugly.

Flying - Emonga, for not being a retarded Pachirisu clone (lol) and being actually useful in-game! I'd say Wargle instead, but it's not part-Fighting and didn't get Democracy Dance or anything, so yeah it's second to lol Emonga.
I'm actually really pleased by Vuljeena and Symbolar. Wargle's cool, too. I had too many bad experiences against opposing Acrobat Emonga for me to like it.

Bug - GLORIOUS ULGAMOTH. Kurumayu being a close second ("funny" design, lovely facial expression, cool - and useful - evolutionary line).
Ulgamoth yes, Kurumayu HECK NO. I like the bugs this generation barring, as previously mentioned, the Kurumiru line. Also I don't get Bachuru's "cuteness" hype.

Normal - Muurando/Meloetta. One is a giant bearded dog with Scrappy and the other is a muse who can become a dancer and Close Combat everyone to hell and back... What's there to not like? Oh yeah, Voice Meloetta's Base Speed. 128 Base would make her faster than even Scarftar, meaning she could use Ancient Voice before its Crunch and lol at it, being part-Fighting. Meh, can't win them all.
Meloetta's got a fairly neat design, but Muurando's kind of unpleasant to look at. Buffalon wins this one for me, no doubt.

Ghost - I'd say Goruugu for obvious reasons, but it sucks in battle so I'm going with Burungeru. It had everything I'd expect from a Water/Ghost jellyfish, except for Volt Absorb and Electric-type moves...
Burugeru has an awful design, though the female makes me laugh. Desukaan is my favorite. None of the others are really impressive to me, though Shandera/Hitomoshi are cool (hot?).

Fighting - Kojondo. Pretty design, nice color scheme, awesome stats and ability, etc etc. GF just forgot to give it Shadow Claw/Pursuit/Crunch... Well, whatever.
This is another Pokémon whose design I can't stand; Kojondo looks extremely sissy and has far too much Attack and Speed. Regeneration is a cool ability, though, and I did call it having Aura Sphere before even looking at its movepool. Roobushin is my favorite, with it being an awesome clown and all.

Steel - Nattorei takes the prize, as mine survived once a Hidden Power Fire from a Giratina-O under the sun and did ~70% with a CH Gyro Ball. My team wasn't even prepared for an Uber battle and that turn made my opponent forfeit lol. It's a shame it's Shandera bait, but besides that, I don't recall a single battle the bugger hasn't helped me. An amazing addition to any team, really.
All the Steel types this generation are cool, IMO, except for Doryuuzu. Nattorei has an interesting concept, Iront has a nifty dichotomy with Kuitaran, and Kirikizan is just grand. I didn't like Gigigear at first but it's growing on me.

Ice - Baibanira line as a whole. Man, I just wish they had a better movepool (and maybe typing but lol they're screwed on that already). Its stats are salvageable, it just needed ANYTHING to work with them. At least a signature stat-up move, anything...
Bivanilla's another one that's grown on me, but it's still beaten out by Freezio and Tsunbear.

Dragon - Tie between Reshiram and Sazandora. I've yet to use any of them lol, but their typings, looks and battle prowess made me really interested on both. I'm still disappointed with their Speed (90 Speed for a thing with a jet for an ***? 98 Speed for something with no way of boosting it? wtf) though, and I guess that's why I still haven't used them.
Sazandora.

Dark - I like them all equally, I just hate the vulture line. **** you Vuljina.
The Choroneko line sucks. Vuljeena is neat though, IDK why you hate it. :p

redroses
4th November 2010, 9:46 PM
Ah, I like the list Mario with Lasers did, will do one aswell.
Favourite pokemon in each type:

Bug: Pendra, I used to like Hahakomori more at first, but after seeing it's face Pendra easily took the place as favourite bug pokemon this gen.

Dark: Sazandora, I love it's design so much, the idea, the colors, just everything. The first moment I saw it instantly became one of my favourite pokemon. The typing just makes it so much greater!

Dragon: Zekrom, (would love to pick Sazandora again, but I am going by first type listed) really great design, love the look in his eyes and his black color.

Electric: Zeburaika, for a long time I have wanted a Zebra pokemon, so I am so happy they finally created one. I especially love what they did with the stripes and the mane.

Fighting: Kojondo, I was never much a fan of foghting types, but I do really enjoy how Kojondo looks and how it's fighting style is described. Can't wait to see it in action.

Fire: Kuitaran, love it! I especially love that they didn't go with the giant anteater look. I love his head shape and his eyes, but most I love the way his hands/claws are. He probably is my favourite fire pokemon.

Flying: Mamepato, find it's design way better and cuter then that of his evolutions. I am actually sad they didn't stay with the chubby pigeon look. I love how simple his design is, yet still remains the pokemon feel. And just look how cute it is!

Ghost: Shandera, very much like the purple flames in combination with the black. It's face is very nice, especially in the dreamworld art. I like the direction the ghost pokemon are going.

Grass: Jalorda, really is a great pokemon, the way he looks down on other pokemon, that he is a snake, the overall design just makes him perfect. And the fact that he is such a creative starter just makes him that much cooler!

Ground: Waruvial, as much as I also like Doryuuzu he has NO CHANCE against Waruvial. I love this pokemon design so much, I can't even find words. Fell in love with him in an instant. Also on the list of my favourite pokemon.

Ice: Tsunbeaa, really hard to pick one in this category as I am not really fond of any of the new ice types, sadly. But Tsunbeaa is kinda cool.

Normal: Mebukijika, I like the design idea and the typing. Sadly I think they could've done more with the design, and I am dissappointed to not see a female version. It could've kept the flower from Shikijika which would've changed with the season.

Poison: Dasutodasu, the design of this pokemon is great in so many ways. It fits great to Hiun City etc. Also I like how it's mouth looks like a shredder.

Psychic: Rankurusu, it's so cute and cuddly and d'awwwww. The way it's floating in that green blob stuff with it's little stubby arms and "feed me, waaah!" mouth just makes me love it.

Rock: Archeos, from all the rock types, I like him the most. I can't say too much yet about his design before I haven't seen the Sugimori artwork.

Steel: Gigigear, I find his design very creative and well thought out. The way his sprite moves just makes him look so much better.

Water: Burungeru, awwww, look at his little eyes and big soft "mustache". I like the look of Burungeru so much, and the typing is just so awesome. Can imagine how he glows underwater and surfing on him must be so nice with his squishy self.



Done.

Mario with Lasers
4th November 2010, 10:11 PM
Leaf Storm still lowers it's spatk even with Perversity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo_xJmJkcxA

!__!


And a top five OU? Nattorei lulz at it and every other grass resisting steel does too.

Leaf Storm / HP Fire / Leech Seed / Substitute. Only faster pok&#233;mon such as Scarf Heatran can really touch it and not take a huge chunk of health from a +2 Leaf Storm (possibly followed by a +4 too).


There are better supporters and walls too. UU at a stretch, but until it can (presumably) learn Aqua Tail through 3rd version tutors it'll be walled into the dirt by fire and steel types. If Hihidaruma is UU then Jaroda will be taking scarfed flare biltzs for a long time. It will end up NU or low UU. A good supporter but that bad typing and movepool holds it back.

Overgrow Jalorda would probably be a random UU mon (better than Meganium at least rofl), but no way in hell Perversity Jalorda is not going to be OU. There's almost nothing slower than it able to take too many hits and/or not be Subseeded to hell and back.


Doredia isn't grass fire because that makes less sense than Maggyo.

Maggyo is a stargazer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargazer), it makes perfect sense lol. I suggested her being a Fire/Grass only for Sun abuse, but... "doesn't make sense"? Seriously? Are you asking for sense in Pok&#233;mon? Besides, they could have easily added a fire-type element to her design and call it a day.


And if Jaroda was grass/dragon

I actually joked about Doredia being Grass/Dragon, as that would mean Own Tempo Outrage !__! But rofl 60 Base Attack.


it leaves Emnbuoo with no way to counter it besides Ice Punch or something random like that.

Lol that's completely irrelevant. Empoleon can't kill Infernape before taking a Close Combat in its face. So why bother with this in Gen V?

And I'm gonna reply a bit to in a spoiler tag, so this post doesn't get too big.


Gigaiath's cool, but Abagoura beats it IMO. Iwapalace is neat, as well, but it sucks, partially because Bug/Rock is one of the worst dual typings defensively, right up there by Water/Ice.

What makes me cringe the most are its stats. They're pretty much Armaldo's lol, only with Attack and Defense swapped. And Armaldo needed to have its Speed and Sp. Def swapped instead...


Kabutops is better than Abagoura and always will be AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :mad: And you seem to have forgotten about Omastar and Relicanth when it comes to that type combination. :V Anyway, I like both Basurao and Gamageroge. Mamanbou's neat only because of its basis.

I only took Kabutops into account because both it and Abagoura are more physical-oriented and have a stat-up move (Rock Polish doesn't count as both have Swift Swim). And I'd have liked Gamageroge more if it had... not existed.


lol "least worst." Voltros is okay. Maggyo's better, though, because of its animation, even though defensively it's garbage.

I got surprised with Maggyo's stats actually, but it's a shame they gave it to a pok&#233;mon with a typing much more suited to attacking. If only it were 66/32/84/99/81/109... Well, it would still suck, I guess.


Nah, Oobemu for me. Gothmons are weird.

=(


Doryuuzu does need explanation; it's extremely ugly.

It's a mole with steel axes/drills as hands and horn, with also an awesome typing and just the right stats+ability+movepool for sweeping any team. As much as I hate facing one of those (unless my Balloon Heatran is alive, that is), I can't help but love it. They could have made Sand Throw increase Speed only by 50&#37;, though. Also I looked at its official artwork and now I see it's kinda alike Kuitaran lol


Burugeru has an awful design, though the female makes me laugh. Desukaan is my favorite. None of the others are really impressive to me, though Shandera/Hitomoshi are cool (hot?).

I like the male one as it reminds me of Mr. Pringles, but I like the female one a bit more for being so... ridiculous. And lol nice pun there


This is another Pok&#233;mon whose design I can't stand; Kojondo looks extremely sissy and has far too much Attack and Speed. Regeneration is a cool ability, though, and I did call it having Aura Sphere before even looking at its movepool. Roobushin is my favorite, with it being an awesome clown and all.

I wish Roobushin didn't exist. Not that I don't like him, it's just that it's too strong. Stop late-game sweeping me, you dolt =(


Bivanilla's another one that's grown on me, but it's still beaten out by Freezio and Tsunbear.

I guess I'll only start liking Tsunbear when it evolves into an Ice/Fighting pok&#233;mon >__>


The Choroneko line sucks. Vuljeena is neat though, IDK why you hate it. :p

It was what they call "hate at first sight", you see. It only got worse when I found out she was female-only and a counterpart to Wargle, meaning it was male-only and thus, had zero egg moves. Yeah it's not like Wargle didn't need any more moves anyway.

Slowemperor
4th November 2010, 11:18 PM
Following Mario with Lasers, here are my other type preferences:
Water: Daikenki, it's a samurai otter god damnit! Abagoora and Burungeru are also nice. Basarao and Mambuo (Luvdisc-non-evo) are terrible.
Fire: Hihidaruma
Ghost: Desukan, for being egyptian based and I just love it. It's woth mentioning the epicness of this gen's ghosts.
Ground: Gorog. Waruvial is cool too, but I just love Gorog's type combination...
Rock: Abagoora, and Iwaperusu.
Bug: Iwaperusu, i just love the limestone.
Steel: Shubarugu, medieval knight bug, nuff said. Kirikizan is also a very nice change of concept onde in a while.
Psychic: Rankurusu. Shinpora is worth mentioning, makes me think of cross between Xatu and Unknown. Riguree is so cute but Oobemu is a huge disapointement.
Dragon: Sazandora, again for it's pure epicness.
Poison: Dasutodasu, the garbage monster will hunt you!
Electric: Denchura, the zaparantula!
Normal: Mebujika, I've already pronouced on him in my grass commentary
Flying: As I won't get into legendaries: Kokorimori or Shipora. Torneros or Voltros would do it otherwise.
Ice: This gen is a huuuuuge dispointement. I will pick Rotom-Ice, out of better options.

Dracoste
4th November 2010, 11:18 PM
Because a lot of people are doing this, I'm also going to do it:

BUG Agirudaa: I always liked the ninja like pok&#233;mon, also it's speed is incredible and I also like fast pok&#233;mon.

DARK Zoroark: From the first time I saw it I liked it, too bad it's an event pok&#233;mon but I shall try alot to have it in my journey through Isshu, also IMO it's design is a bit different than the other 5-gen pok&#233;mon, it doesn't give me the "5-gen vibe" but more the "4-gen vibe", I think it's just me.

DRAGON Reshiram: I've always been a dragon like trainer when Dragonite became my fav pok&#233;mon in gen 4, but that aside, it's just awesome and also very cute. It also became one of the reasons why I'm chosing black.

ELECTRIC Emonga: don't really know why, but i just like it more than the other elec Pok&#233;mon. I also like Bachuru's :3 face.

FIGHT Kojondo: I just REALLY likes it's elegance look, also it's ability is very interesting also is it's attack wide gaurd, it could be very helpfull in 3 on 3 battles.

FIRE Victini: It's so cute and energetic, I also likes it's cry: it sounds like laughing. Imagine trying to catch it and it keeps getting out of the pok&#233;ball, it's laughing at you every time you fail to catch it.

FLYING Barujina: It's pretty awesome and dangerous looking, i also like her decorations, all those bones and stuff. I have to say it's pre-evo is actually a bit hideous, luckily that changes when it evolves. Barujina is another reason why I'm chosing black.

GHOST Desukan: It's a sarcophagus with 4 creepy ghost arms sticking out of it, I also like it's animation.

GRASS This one was easy to answer: Jalorda: It's a snake that isn't a poison type, It's royal, It holds his head up for pok&#233;mon that he thinks are not worthy to fight him and I also think it's very cute(your definition of cute may be different than mine), IMO it's the best 5th-gen Pok&#233;mon, however I wanted to have a more variation in move types, but aside from that, It's def. and sp. def are pretty high(higher than it's atk and sp. atk), and so is it's speed. It's DW ability looks VERY interesting, however it does get an disadvantage if it gets hit by Flatter(however then the problem is to be faster than Jalorda).

GROUND Waruvial: I really like the idea of a desert crocodile, however I think I would like it if it remained brown instead of turning suddenly red, also the addition of the dark type is nice.

ICE Tsunbeaa: too bad we didn't get that much new ice Pok&#233;. In the pok&#233;dex entry i remembered something making claws of ice, I can see him sneezing in it's hands before a battle to make some huge claws or it can sneeze at the opponent to freeze it, too bad it didn't get a move involving sneezing like: cold sneeze or freezing snot.

NORMAL Chillaccino: It is cute and also look a bit of royal/elegance like with it's fur using like a scarf. Because I'm going to use one, I also already though of it's attacks, nature and ability.

POISON Pendora: I was first thinking about it beeing my fav bug pok&#233;, but I don't really like the other two poison type pok&#233;. At first I didn't really like Pendora, but it grew on me and now I'm going to use it. Also it's name looks like Pandora, But I'm sure it won't keep it's name in English.

PSYCHIC Oobemu(Victini would be here if It wasn't my fav Fire Pok&#233;): It's an alien like Pok&#233; that disappeared until 50 years ago, It's very mysterious, what could be the cause of it's disapearance(perhaps that meteorite with that monster?)?

ROCK Archeos: I really like it. Shame that it gets an useless ability like faint hearted, is it really necessary to have it, it wouldn't be "broken" if it hadn't it, would he? Perhaps I can think of a single reason: you can use it in double/triple battles and swap it with the enemy?

STEEL Cobalon: It looks so elder and wise like it teached the other three al kinds of tactics and stuff.

WATER Daikenki: this one also looks elder and wise. And it has an mustache, goatee and an epic long beard! also it's attack Megahorn is usefull against grass type pok&#233;mon.

Now I'm talking about beards, I really like "jaw face"(Shaga), he's another reason why I'm chosing black.


phew, finaly I'm finished writing this.

Lorde
5th November 2010, 12:55 AM
Ugh. Well since everyone else is doing it, I gotta get in on this too. I wouldn't want to be unpopular or anything. Here are my favorite Pokemon from each type in Generation 5:

Normal: Chillarmy ate my heart. It's really one of the few Pokemon in Generation 5 that I knew I would like right from the start. It looks so cute and furry, I just cannot help but liking it despite the fact that it's weak in battle.

Fighting: Meloetta in it's Step Forme gets my vote. I love Meloetta so I cannot help but love it's second form since it looks so cool. It's not as good as the other Meloetta forme, but it's still a forme I'm a fan of. So fashionable, this Pokemon.

Flying: Swanna, come on down! It's a pretty cool Pokemon in it's own right. Elegant like real swans and it has such a cute cry; I cannot help but like it. I'm definitely getting one in the English games, even if I have to trade for one.

Poison: Fushide. I don't love it, but it's better than most other Poison-types out there at the moment. It just looks so annoyed; I love it. I've always liked real life centipedes so I'm really digging Fushide despite it's other flaws.

Ground: Meguroco is the only Ground-type I find decent. It's not my favorite Pokemon, but I've seen enough of it around these parts to understand some of it's charm and appeal. I like it's eyes the most, since they look like sunglasses.

Rock: Aaken, even though it's also a dual type Pokemon. I think it's the only Rock Pokemon I've ever actually liked, period. It looks so colorful compared to other Rock-type Pokemon and for me, color is always a plus so Aaken is really awesome.

Bug: Kurumiru gets this grand spot on my list of favorites. It's really one of the few Bug-type Pokemon that looks adorable. I love that leaf collar around it's neck and the fact that it was the first wild Pokemon I captured without weakening in White.

Ghost: Pururiru has started to look more and more awesome everyday. I love it's regal appearance and it's unique type combination. I'm planning on using one in the English games to test out it's battle potential. I bet it's a decent Ghost-type.

Steel: Gear is the obvious choice here. There isn't any other Steel-type in Generation 5 that makes me laugh like Gear does. That looks on it's face is just priceless. I'm also loving it's sturdiness, as most Steel-types are this sort of Pokemon.

Fire: Shandera gets this spot. I love the whole Hitomoshi family but Shandera has quite a bit more going for it. It's Shiny form is even better, since it sort of reminds me of the Halloween festivities. Other Fire-types just don't compare~

Water: Mijumaru times 1 billion! I love this little otter! The anime Mijumaru was the one that really opened my eyes to the potential in Mijumaru. It's just so cute. I've also seen it in the manga and it's super fabulous there as well (and even a little funnier).

Grass: Tsutarja gets this spot despite my previous opinions of it. I just love that smug look on it's face and the fact that it's cry sounds cool in the games. I've been hatching Tsutarja eggs lately, and that's made me love them even more.

Electric: Emonga because it cuts itself. I love this little rodent since it reminds me of Pachirisu from Generation 4. I can't imagine a world without Emonga now since it's opened up my eyes to the charm of flying squirrels. I want one now ;_;

Psychic: Koromori. I love this new bat Pokemon and I've even officially claimed it here on Serebii. It's nose is just adorable and I'm loving the whole courting theme it has going on. I'm gonna start the Official Koromori Fan Club since I love it so much.

Ice: Kyurem is the only Ice-type that I find interesting. Not only is it pretty strong, but it's backstory is pretty interesting. I'm actually looking forward to learning more about it in the future games, as I think Kyurem will get a bigger role.

Dragon: Zekrom is a pretty BA Dragon-type Pokemon. I love it's unique type combination as well as it's Cross Thunder attack, which helped me defeat N's Reshiram. I'm currently attempting to find a Shiny Zekrom too, so I'll soon have both kinds of Zekrom

Dark: Zorua is my favorite Dark-type Pokemon, since it was also the very first Generation 5 Pokemon I saw. I love this little fox. I loved it in movie 13 even more since it pulls a few interesting tricks, like most foxes in Japanese legends. I wish I had claimed it too :s

Atoyont
5th November 2010, 1:07 AM
What makes me cringe the most are its stats. They're pretty much Armaldo's lol, only with Attack and Defense swapped. And Armaldo needed to have its Speed and Sp. Def swapped instead...
Definitely.

I only took Kabutops into account because both it and Abagoura are more physical-oriented and have a stat-up move (Rock Polish doesn't count as both have Swift Swim). And I'd have liked Gamageroge more if it had... not existed.
True, true. Gamageroge's weird, but I don't mind its design too much.

I got surprised with Maggyo's stats actually, but it's a shame they gave it to a pok&#233;mon with a typing much more suited to attacking. If only it were 66/32/84/99/81/109... Well, it would still suck, I guess.
Yeah.

=(
I just don't see their appeal, really.

It's a mole with steel axes/drills as hands and horn, with also an awesome typing and just the right stats+ability+movepool for sweeping any team. As much as I hate facing one of those (unless my Balloon Heatran is alive, that is), I can't help but love it. They could have made Sand Throw increase Speed only by 50&#37;, though. Also I looked at its official artwork and now I see it's kinda alike Kuitaran lol

I don't mind the claws, it's mainly the horn; it looks like it shoved it between its skin and its scalp. Which would be painful. Sand Throw's speed boost is, as far as I can tell, to correlate with Swift Swim's/Chlorophyll's in Rain/Sun. If they didn't give it that Attack stat, it wouldn't be quite so hard to deal with.

I like the male one as it reminds me of Mr. Pringles, but I like the female one a bit more for being so... ridiculous. And lol nice pun there

The male just seems big-headed, and the mustache looks dumb to me, dunno why. The female's somewhat funny because its face is squished.

I wish Roobushin didn't exist. Not that I don't like him, it's just that it's too strong. Stop late-game sweeping me, you dolt =(
It is quite powerful, yeah.

I guess I'll only start liking Tsunbear when it evolves into an Ice/Fighting pok&#233;mon >__>
It's fairly powerful and has a decent moveset. Speed is the main problem, IMO.

It was what they call "hate at first sight", you see. It only got worse when I found out she was female-only and a counterpart to Wargle, meaning it was male-only and thus, had zero egg moves. Yeah it's not like Wargle didn't need any more moves anyway.
Vulchai is still fairly ugly to me, but I think Vuljeena's design is clever and it works well for a vulture. Wargle not getting any Egg Moves is a disappointment, but as far as I can tell there's not much that one could give it that it doesn't already have (except maybe Close Combat/Drill Peck/Dragon Dance (lol)/Acrobat, and that last one's a lame TM exclusion). Democracy Dance would be nice, though, I agree.

ForeverFlame
5th November 2010, 1:27 AM
Water: Otamaro - I love its expression
Fire: Baoppu - One of my favorite Pokemon, period
Ghost: Shandera - Neat idea, neat type combo
Ground: Maggyo - I love how derpy it is
Rock: Archeos - Looks awesome
Bug: Ulgamoth - Best new Pokemon
Steel: Shubarugo - I love bugs, and this is no exception
Psychic: Gothlolitower - Because I hate the Jell-O thing and the Alien
Dragon: Kibago - Really grew on me
Poison: Pendra - Another awesome bug type
Electric: Bachuru - CUTEST POKEMON EVER
Fighting: Zuruggu - I love its and its evolutions Pokedex entries...
Normal: Yorterri - Super cute
Flying: Kokoromori - Nice design
Ice: Kumasyun - Cute
Dark: Zorua - Cool ability
Grass: Mebukijika - I like how its antlers change

Copley Hill Gym
5th November 2010, 1:56 AM
BUG

Ulgamoth

Giving us our first Bug/Fire type, with the "Butterfly Dance" stats booster - brilliant move by GameFreak. Unique, powerful, and has that "look" that cements it as a Pokemon. My favourite of all the new bug types, by far.



DARK

Sazandora

Fantastic typing, with levitate. Weakened by bug and fighting, two types rising in prominence, granted - but such a potent weapon in the right hands. I have seen these smash teams on wifi with Draco Meteor (normally my teams!), and Dark Pulse, along with an ability to go mixed sweeper affair - brilliant, brilliant Pokemon. And it's a hydra. Mental, mint, magnificent.



DRAGON

Ononokusu

Overall, the design of this Pokemon caught my imagination, the moment it was revealed. Many people correctly predicted it to be Kibago's evolution, and I was praying for it to live up to its hype. What we got what was a Pokemon, in a similar mould to Garchomp, with a possible Dragon Dance set, or choice set, with a much higher attack stat.

While Garchomp's natural bulk makes it the more attractive prospect for competitive battling, I find Axe Dragon (as I know mine) to be a powerful, commanding Pokemon. It also arguably has the most sinister shiny form in the game - blood red axes and claws, black armour. Scarily good.



ELECTRIC

Zeburaika

He's an electric Zebra. With two, lightning bolt shaped horns on his head. The design is epic, and the overall Pokemon is ridiculously good in-game. Nitro Charge and ability Motor Drive ramp up its potency.

Competitive battling wise, faster than Electivire, with a decent attack stat, but limited movepool. Not the best electric game of the 649 Pokemon, by far, but by no means the worst, and certainly one of the best looking. Love 'im.



FIGHTING

Terrakion

Put simply, the fat, portly Muskedeer is the best of them. Brilliant typing (Rock/Fighting) that, while it has many weaknesses, has exceptional power in a sandstorm, and with ridiculous attack and speed stats, with natural bulkiness overall, Terrakion remains the best in my view, of the Muskedeers, and in the top three for the Legendaries overall.



FIRE

Victini

Victini remains one of my favourite 5th generation Pokemon. Ridiculously potent special attack based typing, with two two superb STAB types, and he's cute to boot. Its only a shame he loses out amongst the sea of other Legendaries, in many ways.



FLYING

Kenhorou

It's useless, frankly, as it's outclassed by Staraptor in so many ways. It's slower, weaker, and only stops short of being a Pigeot beater with an okay but not game breaking movepool. So why is he my favourite flying type? The difference between genders. The male Kenhorou is the biz. Bright pink and green, arrogant looking and cocky. Yup, he the man. GameFreak made a good decision with this one - everyone's starting bird Pokemon look the same. This time around, there's some variety. It's the spice of life, and this bird has got it down.



GHOST

Desukan

The sarcophagus Pokemon is an easy win. It looks scary, it has a great movepool, a ridiculously abuse-able ability (Mummy) and to top it all off - what an animation.



GRASS

Mebukijika

This is one of my favourite 5th generation Pokemon. The Stag Pokemon which changes with the weather - we need more Pokemon to do things like this, dammit! The design is awesome, the changes with the season is awesome, the typing - annoying fighting weakness but delightful ghost resistance - marvellous. The base stats are too low to be fully competitive, but in game, I enjoyed my time with my Mebukijika. Such a magnificent creature, elegant and regal.



GROUND

Waruvile

Waruvile is a cool customer. Desert crocodile that can stand on his hind legs. He snaps casually, waiting for you to have a go. Go on - I dare you.

And then he evolves into a sunburnt crocodile. Oh dear. Got that wrong GameFreak - the colour change wasn't necessary, keeping the brown colour would have been fine. That's why I went for Waruvile over Waruvial - a shame, they messed it up in the last stage. The dual typing and stats/abilities are nice touches, and he should be pretty competitive, however.



ICE

Kyurem

Why is it, generation to generation, the Ice type is always lacking? Here we have a choice between an Ice Cream and a Polar Bear. Should have been an easy win for the Polar Bear. But the base stats killed it off. Baibanira's "unique" (and somewhat funny but not in a ha-ha way) design would kill him off for me, were he not a fascinating blend of the hilariously bad and absolutely brilliant overall product. He's not as powerful as Glaceon, but has more bulk overall in his base stats.

So why Kyurem, and not the Ice Cream? The unique Dragon/Ice typing and the base stats are worth it. Kyurem is a monster on wifi - no really, check him out. Everyone and their mother sees the potential in this monster. Looks like a frozen chicken - hits like an arctic blizzard. Menacing!



NORMAL

? ? ?

The normal type officially "failed" for me, this generation. I don't like any of the, save for the normal/grass Mebukijika, but then he's in the grass section of my type by type review. If you were going to pick one, because you had to, then I suppose Chillarmy for the cute factor. But they all fail pretty badly in my opinion. Particularly Miruhog. They are all poor, loathsome Pokemon.



POISON

Pendoraa

The poison types didn't do too well this generation. Until I saw the bug/poison type, that thankfully wasn't a moth/butterfly/flying bug of any kind. Instead we got a millipede style Pokemon, with an incredibly bright colour scheme - warning colours, bright red, and a glint in the eye to boot. GameFreak's design team wins again, love the variety.



Psychic

Shinpora

First reaction on seeing Shinpora: "what...what...what is that?"

It doesn't matter, mind. It's a mind blowing design, vibrant, creepy, and archaic, all at the same time. Pity about its overall usefulness, but I'm confident this, unlike Kokoromori, will find a niche in the metagame.



Psychic

Archeos

The best design in the 5th generation. The choice of the bird/dinosaur stage in the evolutionary story was a stroke of genius. Obvious comparisons to Aerodactyl, but the latter is so far out of the former's league it's unreal. Ridiculously high attack and speed stats, and movepool to match.

Ability is meh (lowers attack power under 50% HP), but its bright colours, killer roar, and sheer power make it a dangerous Pokemon to underestimate. I spent two weeks IV breeding to get a good one, as I am sure it'll slot straight into OU, no question.



Steel

Gigigear

The idea of making a "gear" Pokemon was brilliant. The evolutions were simple, but well executed. A gear, with a cog, and then another gear, gave rotational movements in three directions, and gave Gigigear a purposeful, and technically brilliant look. What a shame that its movepool does not match its base stats - great attack stat, but physical attacks few and far between. A missed opportunity.



Water

Daikenki

The greatest of the missed opportunities. A starter Water/Fighting Pokemon would have stood out from the might of Swampert and Empoleon. Instead, we have a Pokemon whose main rival is Blastoise or Feraligtr. For what it's worth, my starter Mijumaru, was the first water starter I have ever picked, ending 4 generations of fire Pokemon starters - and why? Because overall, the otter line is epic. The old sensei and warrior images feel so natural, so right. It is sad, therefore, that the typing could not match the greatness of the aesthetic design. A great shame, but still my favourite of the water types in this generation.

SasakiThePikachu
5th November 2010, 2:10 AM
fave new dark poke: sazando. epic win. not because it's the long awaited dark dragon.

But because it has hand puppets.

R_N
5th November 2010, 2:14 AM
MY TURN
sans dark and grass though, already went over those.

Bug:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/snowyarticuno/platformer&#37;20pics/5th%20Gen%20Normal/632.png
Aianto. As much as I love Kurumiru and Hahakurmio, I don't know...just something about his design I find pretty neat. I'm also glad we finally got a real ant this time around. I also like his stat layout and move pool are pretty neat. I also like the idea of a steel ant; way to not go the Bug/Fire ant route (although I would laugh forever if it got Flare Blitz)

Dragon:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/snowyarticuno/platformer%20pics/5th%20Gen%20Normal/621.png
Crimgon! Yes, Crimgon. At first, he didn't really stand out to me (I didn't hate him or anything, though). But as time has gone on, he's really grown on me. I like his design, his stats aren't terrible, you can't go wrong with blue, his move pool is pretty cool (& I think better then Ononokusu?). Part of it is also pity, I think; he's probably going to be the most forgettable and forgotten of the dragon types. I might even use him, who knows. Also bonus points for being pure dragon.

Electric:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/snowyarticuno/platformer%20pics/5th%20Gen%20Normal/587.png
Emonga. It was actually a tie between him and Denchura, but Emonga was cuter, had a slightly more interesting type, and had the distinct advantage of not being a spider. I like how fast this little guy is, and his move pool isn't completely terrible. A little bit of a shame he wasn't refitted to be a Pachirisu evo. Blue makes everything better, and I think it would make him one of the fastest Super Fangers (plus he'd get some of Pachirisu's nice moves for coverage).

Fighting:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/snowyarticuno/platformer%20pics/5th%20Gen%20Normal/539.png
Dageki. Lots of cool fighting types this gen, but, although at first a bit put off by his very humanoid appearence, he's come up on top as my favorite. I like his sleek blue design, and his sugimori art in particular adds a lot of charm to the guy. If I had one complaint, it's that I wish his belt looked more like vines, or was green or something. Or wasn't a belt at all; I get why, but it kind of breaks my suspension of disbelief that I can uphold with other humanoids
(Also I think it would have been interesting to see him be either Fighting/Ice or Fighting/Rock)
Honorable mention to Roopushion, the russian concrete making strong-man clown. A really neat design that brings together both the strong and clown parts of him together really well. Also the implication that he (1) knows how to make concrete and (2) does so specifically so he can crush it half and use the halves as battering objects.

Fire:
Honestly I had a bit of burden picking this one, if only because none of them really jumped out at me in a "WOW THIS IS SO AWESOME MINE MINE MINE" but...
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/snowyarticuno/platformer%20pics/5th%20Gen%20Normal/636.pnghttp://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/snowyarticuno/platformer%20pics/5th%20Gen%20Normal/637.png
I really like Imago moths, and I think it was really clever how they incorporated the fire type into them. The larva seems based on the sun, and the other has the wings and some horn-antannae. It's a pretty slick design.

Flying:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/snowyarticuno/platformer%20pics/5th%20Gen%20Normal/581.png
Swana. I like her simple, but elegant design. Also the impressive wingspan in her animation, as well as her "Oh you" pose. Kourie (the pre-evo) is also a neat looking design; cute, but not too cute. Also looks cool with a hat on...

Honeslty, had Torneros had, say, Voltros' color scheme, he may have won out. Voltros himself is also pretty cool, but I like Torneros' stache, hair, and tail better.

Ghost:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/snowyarticuno/platformer%20pics/5th%20Gen%20Normal/563.png
Deskan! I've like him ever since we saw his backsprite all those months ago, and his front sprite and art have only made me like him even more. I just like everything about him! His design, what he's based off of, his animation, his neat ability, and even his pre-evo. I kind of wish maybe he had gotten a second type, maybe Ground?, but eh no big loss.

Ground:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/snowyarticuno/platformer%20pics/5th%20Gen%20Normal/623.png
Goruugo! He's got an interesting design, and merging both golems and super robots is always a set up for success. I don't particularly care for Gobitto, but not enough to bring the whole line down.

Ice:
Baibanera! Yes it's the ice cream. I've always liked the ice cream line, if only because its ridiculous but in the best possible way. So cute, too, especially the first stage. I also like how happy they all are, and that they all blow out ice breath in their animation. It's a blasted shame it has a shallow movepool, though. But I mean look at this backsprite
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/fa/Spr_b_g5_584.png
fantastic

Fujirou could have gotten ahead if it had a type combination. I don't know..ghost? Steel? SOMETHING? That's probably my biggest problem with the ice types this gen: No combos except Kyurem. I hope futures gens treat him nicely with a just-as-cool evo and give him a type combo or something.
Kyurem gets an honorable mention because I'm fascinated by his potential backstories and how the third game will treat him.

Normal:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/snowyarticuno/platformer%20pics/5th%20Gen%20Normal/626.png
BuffaAFRO BREAK

AFRO BREAK

AFROBREAK

okay no seriously as awesome as Buffalon is, my real victory goes to Murrando
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/snowyarticuno/platformer%20pics/5th%20Gen%20Normal/508.png
He's got an awesome stache, and he really does look like a really cool guard dog. Who would have thought our adorable little Yorterrie would become something like this? I'm so glad Belle got one. It also helps that his stats and abilities are pretty cool as well.

Poison:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/snowyarticuno/platformer%20pics/5th%20Gen%20Normal/545.png
Pendora. While I didn't care for Fushide at all, Pendora (and Hoiiga) have a very interesting design. It's not what I expected from a centepede/millipede, and I like the coloring and markings a lot. Also it's big enough and has just the right layout for me to imagine trainers riding it with reckless joy. Just picture Barry (the DPt rival) riding one.
Do it

Psychic:
OKAY HOLD ON TO YOUR SEATS BECAUSE THE SURPRISE WILL JUST KNOCK YOU OFF ALL OF YOUR SOCKS (OH MAN)
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/snowyarticuno/platformer%20pics/5th%20Gen%20Normal/528.pnghttp://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/snowyarticuno/platformer%20pics/5th%20Gen%20Normal/579.png
Kokoromori & Rankurusu!
See? Socks everywhere
But seriously, I love these two so much. I like their typing, I absolutely adore their design, and what they're based off of. I also think Rankurusu is one of the best Trick Roomers or something? And even if Kokoromori isn't the best Pokemon stat and move wise, I can't help but love him. I WILL MAKE HIM WORK.
And come on they are basically the love and hugs Pokemon and I will buy their plush versions forever.

Rock:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/snowyarticuno/platformer%20pics/5th%20Gen%20Normal/567.png
Archaeos. It's a shame about his ability, but I've always wanted an archeopterix, and I couldn't be happier with the design of what we got. It's so colorful, but still puts off an ancient predator vibe that I really like. Also dat power and speed.

Steel:
I was tempted to say Aianto again, but that's not very fair because there are a lot of really neat steel types out this generation. I think my favorite is probably...
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/snowyarticuno/platformer%20pics/5th%20Gen%20Normal/589.png
Shubagoru. He has a really interesting evolution gimmick, but I also like how they adapted a shell into a set of knight's armor, jousting sticks included. He just looks slick, you know? Funny how everyone expected a haunted set of armor, and then BLAM it's a bug. I also enjoy the irony of the sneaky beetle (who totally should have been part dark, by the way) becoming an image of chivalry.

Gigigear is also cool, as is Kirkizan, but I don't know, Knight bug just won out for me. I also wish that Gigigear had a different design that, while still incorporating Gear was...different.

Water:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/snowyarticuno/platformer%20pics/5th%20Gen%20Normal/593.pnghttp://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/snowyarticuno/platformer%20pics/5th%20Gen%20Normal/503.png
Another tie: Burungel and Daikeniki.
I really enjoy the way they took the jellyfish design with the Burungel line, and the male version is just so classy. Which is good because the female design is hilarious.

So...Daikeniki. I like his design. I've always liked his design. A shogun/samurai otter/seal is a fantastic concept, one that leans itself very well to a good movepool and look at that mustache. I...just wish he was slightly more otterish like Miju & Futchi...
Also maybe got a secondary typing. He'll still be my starter, though.


....man there's a lot of bugs on my list...

Ophie
5th November 2010, 7:10 AM
Many of the Pok&#233;mon you can already tell based on my proposed teams, though I might as well put them out anyway. Without repeating Pok&#233;mon:

Bug: Iwapalace
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/2425/pkmnrotation6small.png
It might be odd seeing Agilder on the first team and Iwapalace on the second, though Agilder is most definitely the runner-up. The reason why I picked Agilder over Iwapalace was because I needed more speedy Pok&#233;mon in the first place. Among the numerous Bug-types this time around, I like Iwapalace the most because of how far they took the concept. It isn't just a hermit crab--the basic form, Isizumai, uses a rock in place of a shell. When it evolves, it takes that several steps further and upgrades the rock into a cube of sediment. Also, I can think of many types that are worse defensively than Bug/Rock. (How about Abomasnow?) It's weak to Water, Steel, and Rock, and it's not 4x weak to anything.

Dark: Zuruggu
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4016/1285122255629.gif
Look at that thing! He's so proud of having pulled up his pants! Well, that and when I saw the Sugimori art, I thought that it looks like the sort of thing I would come up with if I were on the Pok&#233;mon design team.

Dragon: Monozu
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9130/monozu1.jpg
Because it has a bowl cut. How many other dragons have YOU seen that has a Beatles bowl cut, eh?

Electric: Bachuru
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9883/bachuru1.jpg
It's so cute. Bugs are normally repulsive, and bloodsucking bugs even more so. It takes a lot of effort to give an adorability to one. On top of that, at a little less than 4 inches in length, it's about the same size as a real bug.

Fighting: Chaoboo
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/937/chaoboo1.png
I'll exclude Zuruggu from this one, despite him being my favorite Fighting-type in this generation too, again because of his pants. Chaobuu may be big and fat, but he's got energy and strength! You can see it form the look on his face. He also has a mask over his head like a luchador, and luchadores have always had my respect.

Fire: Hihidaruma
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/5931/pkmnrotation1small.png
Here's another amalgamation of two unlikely concepts: a baboon and a daruma figure. One of the earlier Pok&#233;mon to be revealed, I was a bit disinterested in the Pok&#233;mon this generation until this guy came along. He's so happy all the time! And I'm sure he's grown smart enough to not take a dump in people's pockets. (Though people seem to like it.)

Flying: Washibon
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/6537/washibon1.png
It's got those big inquisitive eyes and a Native American-like built-in headdress, big feather on the top and all. Washibon looks like it's so cold...

Ghost: Chandeler
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2444/chandeler1.png
I love this fellow for the same reason Drifblim is my favorite Generation 4 Pok&#233;mon: It's a Ghost-type taken from an odd perspective. Chandeliers can be quite spooky and are associated with haunted houses, and it's a nice extension from the spooky candle and the spooky lamp before it. Of course, another reason I like this fellow is because he looks too fragile to put up much of a fight, but he can be dangerous! I'll be using this guy in the triple battle team, even if I can't get one with Shadow Tag.

Grass: Elfoon
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/323/elfoon1.jpg
This Pok&#233;mon is modeled after the Vegetable Lamb of Tartary, a legendary creature said to live somewhere in central Asia. Its history is quite interesting--this legend came about when cotton was brought back from the Americas. It was like wool, only better. People couldn't believe such a fabric could come from anything but a hoofed animal, so they made this legend up. (You will likely see Elfoon and the Vegetable Lamb discussed on Bulbapedia's "On the Origin of Species" column sooner or later.) Of course, it's the whole plushness of Elfoon that I like. It's a very interesting interpretation of a lamb crossed with a cotton flower.

Ground: Goruggo
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1921/goruuggofly.png
Yes, he's a huge Pok&#233;mon with no apparent means of air-based propulsion who can still somehow learn Fly anyway. I suppose it's due to him being based on two concepts, one of which is the Super Robot of anime lore. The other is the clay golems sometimes buried with emperors and warlords in ancient China. That's now why I like him though. I like the way Goruggo's sprites look like it's really mad at something and is ready to pound your head in if you even look at it funny.

Ice: Bivanilla
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8347/bivanilla1.png
Come on, is this even a contest? Tsunbear, Freezio, and Kyurem are awesome in their own right, but Bivanilla's sheer ridiculousness makes it awesome on another level altogether. They may look like a side-by-side scoop on a wide waffle cone, but this is actually some icicles come to like with snow on top. I'm just waiting for someone to put a video of an enemy Pok&#233;mon using Lick on someone from the Vanipeti line...

Normal: Buffalon
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7710/garterbeltbuffalon.jpg
For some reason, this felt like a concept waiting to happen. I'm not entirely sure why. I just like the concept of an afro on a random creature not associated with them. Even more so that its signature move is called Afro Break and, paired with Reckless, is downright devastating. People keep comparing it to Tauros, but Tauros can't hold a candle to Buffalon's bushy head.

Poison: Morobareru
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7637/pkmnrotation3small.png
Not much to pick from, but there is one that I really wanted to use. Tamagetake and Morobareru are the successors of the fake Pok&#233; Ball monster that Voltorb and Electrode have done up to this point, but they manage to be the total opposite of Electrode in battle. Electrode is fast and volatile; Morobareru is slow and bulky.

Psychic: Rankles
http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/9637/rankles1.jpg
This is another Pok&#233;mon that showed up that I didn't particularly like at first, but then I found out about tardigrades and now it's totally awesome. Tardigrades, or water bears, are arthropods and the only known multicellular extremophile. It's also the only known organism to survive unassisted in the vacuum of space. Due to its coating and its ability to dehydrate itself for self-preservation, only one organism survives in more hostile environments than the tardigrade, a bacterium known as Deinococcus radiodurans. This matches up with Yuniran's Pok&#233;dex description. Hence, Rankles is a tardigrade. I also like how virtually nothing can seem to knock it out in one blow. I've watched many YouTube battles with this guy, and it can seemingly take anything and keep on getting up--I'd expect no less from something modeled after a tardigrade.

Rock: Dangoro
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2882/dangoroidle.gif
This little Pok&#233;mon is somewhat unremarkable. And yet, it's VERY remarkable at the same time. It's a Pok&#233;mon nobody remembers, and it's a contender for the most featureless Pok&#233;mon yet. It's got two legs without arms, and the only feature on its face is a single ear. (That's what the hole is.) And yet, it's that sort of design where, if they were real, I'd spend hours just watching them walk about.

Steel: Gigigear
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1218/pkmnrotation2small.png
Props to anyone who draws a good Gigigear, because gears are HARD. I learned this myself drawing Gigigear--what you see right there is my own drawing. It looks like something you'd find in some robot Pok&#233;mon or some other clockwork Pok&#233;mon, yet it wanders around outside of any machine on its own. The Gear line was most likely made just to experiment with the constantly moving sprites, but I do like what came out of this. Gigigear, by itself, makes good examples of the bevel gear (two gears at right angles to each other), the sun-and-planet gear (one gear connected to another gear with a bigger gear directly behind the second smaller gear), and the external gear (the big spiked ring at the bottom). Like with Bivanilla, it is just such an unlikely-looking combatant.

Water: Kerudio
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8092/kerudio1.jpg
D'Artagnan, representing the little guy in all of us with a big heart who wants to change the world and be a hero.

tailswalker
5th November 2010, 7:19 AM
Is it just me, or does anybody else thinks that nageki and dageki look like the pokemon versions of mario and luigi?

That could be the reason they're fighting types! Just a silly thought hehe... :p

R_N
5th November 2010, 7:36 AM
Many of the Pokémon you can already tell based on my proposed teams, though I might as well put them out anyway. Without repeating Pokémon:

Dragon: Monozu
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9130/monozu1.jpg
Because it has a bowl cut. How many other dragons have YOU seen that has a Beatles bowl cut, eh?
I guess his evo has two bowl cuts.
If only Sazandora had kept that hair style, even on his hands...


Fire: Hihidaruma
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/5931/pkmnrotation1small.png
Here's another amalgamation of two unlikely concepts: a baboon and a daruma figure. One of the earlier Pokémon to be revealed, I was a bit disinterested in the Pokémon this generation until this guy came along. He's so happy all the time! And I'm sure he's grown smart enough to not take a dump in people's pockets. (Though people seem to like it.)
He's also based on a specific type of oven, iirc. And his name is has like 5 different things its punning off of.
He's pun tastic and I want to know who designed him because he's great.


Grass: Elfoon
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/323/elfoon1.jpg
This Pokémon is modeled after the Vegetable Lamb of Tartary, a legendary creature said to live somewhere in central Asia. Its history is quite interesting--this legend came about when cotton was brought back from the Americas. It was like wool, only better. People couldn't believe such a fabric could come from anything but a hoofed animal, so they made this legend up. (You will likely see Elfoon and the Vegetable Lamb discussed on Bulbapedia's "On the Origin of Species" column sooner or later.) Of course, it's the whole plushness of Elfoon that I like. It's a very interesting interpretation of a lamb crossed with a cotton flower.
Oh woah, I didn't know that legend. That's actually really cool and explains the somewhat sheep-ish appearance.



Normal: Buffalon
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7710/garterbeltbuffalon.jpg
For some reason, this felt like a concept waiting to happen. I'm not entirely sure why. I just like the concept of an afro on a random creature not associated with them. Even more so that its signature move is called Afro Break and, paired with Reckless, is downright devastating. People keep comparing it to Tauros, but Tauros can't hold a candle to Buffalon's bushy head.
Well, actually, buffalo/bison do sort of have afros already
http://www.centexhuntclub.com/images/bison.jpg

Bison-like creatures in fictions always tend to exaggerate this aspect. And it's -awesome-

Ophie
5th November 2010, 7:42 AM
Oh you're right--for some reason, I never remember the frizziness of a buffalo's head.

I remember reading on Bulbapedia about Hihidaruma's name. I thought it was just "hihi," "hihida," and "daruma." There's more?

R_N
5th November 2010, 7:56 AM
hihi is babon
hi is fire
daruma is...daruma
hidaruma is "the state of being on fire"

and...oh I can't remember the last one. I'm almost 100&#37; certain Dogasu went through the first CoroCoro 7 and their name origins but I can only find the ones he did for the named OhaSuta gang

MetalFlygon08
5th November 2010, 7:59 AM
How does Gigiear's spiked gear turn? It's not connected to anything.

Ophie
5th November 2010, 9:32 AM
Beats me. Perhaps putting teeth around the inside of it would've been too hard to draw.

Sponge
5th November 2010, 10:22 AM
I'll post my favourite pokemon of Isshu by type...it's tough though because I love many of them....

Normal - Murando
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/508.png

Fire - Ulgamoth (Honouralbe mention: Darumakka, Hihidaruma)
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/637.png

Grass - Mebukijika (Honourable mention: Nattorei, Jalorda)
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/586.png

Water - Daikenki (Honourable mention: Abagoura, Swanna)
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/503.png

Steel - Nattorei
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/598.png

Rock - Abagoura
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/565.png

Ground - Maggyo (Honourable mention: Gobitto & Goruggo)
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/618.png

Electric - Denchura (Honourable mention: Shibirudon)
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/596.png

Psychic - Rankurusu (Honouralbe mention: Gochiruzeru, Shinpora, Koromori)
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/579.png

Ghost - Desukan
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/563.png

Flying - Swanna (Honourable mention: Shinpora, Koromori)
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/581.png

Bug - Agirudaa (Honourable mention: Ulgamoth, Denchura, Ishizumai)
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/617.png

Dark - Zuruggu (Honourable mention: Barujiina)
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/559.png

Fighting - Roopushin (Honourable mention: Kojondo)
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/534.png

Poison - Dasutodasu (Honourable mention: Pendoraa)
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/569.png

Ice - Baniricci (Honourable mention: Kumasyun)
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/583.png

Dragon - Ononokus
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/612.png

Chetz
5th November 2010, 3:37 PM
Does anybody thing that gobito and its evolution should rather be ghost/steel rather than ghost/ground? I mean, its a robot isn't it?

And if they wanted a ground/ghost type, they should've given it to desukan. Its an egyptian sarcophagus, and egypt is well known for its sand..

Lorde
5th November 2010, 3:43 PM
Does anybody thing that gobito and its evolution should rather be ghost/steel rather than ghost/ground? I mean, its a robot isn't it?

I believe that Gobitto and Goruugu are based more on golems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem) than robots, but that's just me. It would fit since, in legends and myths, golems were usually made of earth (ground and rock) or similar inanimate matter. I suppose the Ghost-type would be a reference to the material being animated by a mystical power.

Chetz
5th November 2010, 4:06 PM
I believe that Gobitto and Goruugu are based more on golems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem) than robots, but that's just me. It would fit since, in legends and myths, golems were usually made of earth (ground and rock) or similar inanimate matter. I suppose the Ghost-type would be a reference to the material being animated by a mystical power.

Ah ok thanks for clarifying that for me.:)

Aurath8
5th November 2010, 7:33 PM
I find Goruugo odd still. It appears it was created by some ancient wondermind. It has a power enimating from it's chest, held by a seal, it learns fly by possibly using this mysterious power.
Hang on...
Oh f*** it's an ancient Iron Man!

Wordy
5th November 2010, 9:16 PM
Normal: I fell in love with Yorterrie as soon as I saw it. Normally, I don't really like anything of the canine persuasion, so it's really nice to see a cute little doggy that is lovable. It has strong stats and great evolutions. What a creature! And it's apparently quite hyper with a Vital Spirit and everything.

Fighting: Kojofu is a really cute little creature as well, and it evolves into the strong yet elegant Kojondo. This evolution line is reminiscent of Medicham, if only because it proves that not all fighters are overmuscled ugly brutes and that there are some who have a little more sophistication in their demeanour. That and it has an awesome movepool, ability and has incredible potential in general.

Flying: Koromori. I absolutely adore this Pokémon, and it has an equally cute evolution as well. Maybe it's the heart theme or the slightly agape mouth making it seem sort of dopey, and then it has a good movepool and abilities such as Simple and Unaware are actually useful ingame against Double Team spammers.

Poison: Yabukuron, the once again slightly dopey but overall adorable Pokémon. I'm not sure what endears it to me so, perhaps it is how unloved it is by many and has been the victim of many attacks along with its poor colleague Vaivanilla. There is not much choice of Poison type this generation, but Yabukuron is special. An exploding bag of rubbish? I'm there.

Ground: Ah, the Ground type. Having received many benefits this generation, there are still some who have not received the limelight. I speak, of course, of Gamagaru, the poor dear who succeeded Quagsire and Whiscash and was discarded as useless, to cry in the corner as a middle stage. Whilst its first stage appears to be a cloudcuckoolander and its last stage is memorable, Gamagaru looks just as odd but not as traditional froglike. Instead, it is trapped in transition. A Teenager Pokémon, perhaps? With all the signs of adolescence. But this. It is also the only Ground who has equal offensive stats. A utilisable yet strangely charming Pokémon.

Rock: Purotoga, the overshadowed fossil. This turtley shell of goodness has been criminally ignored for its acrobatic cousin, who was last seen at the circus. Poor old Purotoga tried. It had a badass evolution with claw-like flippers and its aspiration was to outcute any who stood in its way. Sadly, it fell in Cuteness Contests against the likes of Yorterrie and Hitomoshi. Still, it deserves love, if only because if it tries extra hard with its Aqua Jet, then Archaeos will fall like a domino. Timmmber!

Bug: Bachuru. Four inches tall. Impossibly adorable. That is all.

Ghost: Ranpuraa, the haunted lantern. A rather mystical and fey sort of Pokémon, Ranpuraa is one of those Pokémon I have no choice but to adore. It has amazing stats and a wonderful personality, but has hidden depths with all its soulsucking business. Kind of like a prettier Dementor of Harry Potter fame. No matter what, this lantern is definitely one of my favourite Ghosts. I would say Shanderaa, but this one reminds me of a witch with those odd tassel-like sleeves.

Steel: The much-shorter-than-it-appears-mole, at 2'03" tall, Doryuzu! My favourite Steel of this generation, Doryuzu combines that irresistable moley charm (perhaps too much Wind in the Willows?) with sharp claws and perfect abilities designed to take it to Numero Uno. OK, so it has the lowest Defense of all Steels, but it also has the highest HP and Attack. Chic, non? And then Drill Liner is the most cool move ever, just because it is. Sadly, it has a rather lacking Steel movepool, but all the Steels this generation do. And Metal Claw still works fine for STAB.

Fire: Darumakka. Now, if it stayed with those arms folded up all the time and just pretended to be asleep all the time, that would make it even more adorable. As is, it is cute and packs a hidden punch. A Flare Blitz off of that Attack stat is nasty. Having recently watched BW008, that episode just makes me like it more and more.

Water: Ah, as always the ocean receives her abundance of new creatures to be welcomed into her loving bosom and tender care. This time I choose Koaruhie as my favourite Water. It may be another Water/Flying type, and its below average stats aren't exactly endearing, but this one has a certain charm that some others lack. Perhaps it is how it feebly waves its wings around, or how it is some sort of ugly duckling, but it does have an impressive movepool and I adore its design.

Grass: Well, I have three candidates. Tsutarja, for its charming foot-tapping, classy expression and overall superior demeanour, along with those shifty eyes and daring stat spread. Elfoon, for its simple mischievous cuteness and sort of cat-burglar like personality, floating on the wind like Jumpluff's dark magical girl ovine cousin. Doredia, for another touch of class to the Grassy proceedings and her ladylike appearance. I cannot choose.

Electric: Shibirudon, the electric eel. Maybe it's that alluring appearance, those soulful eyes, or those dreamy flippers, but this handsome bad boy is here to stay. It floats. Somehow. It must bounce on those flippers. Watch it. Bounce. Bounce. Bounce. And that movepool and attack stat? Oh, boy. This is one to watch. Oh, and it's pretty neat in general too.

Psychic: All of them. <3. Seriously. I cannot pick. Well, we've already had Koromori, and I don't really dislike Riguree but it is kind of beige, so four-way tie? Munna, Gochiruzeru, Rankurusu and Shinbora. I so want to do a monotype challenge for White. Munna is adorable and has the most cute cry ever, Gochiruzeru is classy... ravishing... so amazing, Rankurusu has that strange appeal that makes me want to hug its jellyish features, whereas Shinbora is plain weird. I love it.

Ice: There was always going to be one winner- Vaivanilla! This chatty pair of ice-cream like icicles expel cold air and are generally cool individuals. Their snowy surroundings add to their mystique, and one is put in the mind of a secret agent. The first Pokémon to be designed by an American, this Pokémon endears itself to all whilst being attacked by those in denial of its cuteness for looking like a foodstuff. Right, Exeggcute?

Dragon: I adore Onondo, as it maintains the charm of Kibago whilst still distinguishing itself from it. A Tusky Pokémon with some of the offensive power of Ononokusu whilst still being perhaps liking to be babied? Whatever the fanon reasons, the point stands that this is probably the cutest Dragon ever and has one of the massivest Attacking stats ever for a NFE.

Dark: The winners of this prize are Vulchai and Vuljina, for their bone couture and all around fashion appeal. These strong independent women are made of tough stuff, with heavy defense stats and quick feet. Vulchai wears a simple but elegant nappy-like contraption of skeleton, whereas Vuljina takes her style further with a skirt and hair pin. These sisters will dominate the circuits, if only for their bulk and toxicity. Amazon queens- no, not the online conglomerate. In contrast to their chauvinistic Red Indian cousins.

FireTheAbsolLord
5th November 2010, 11:38 PM
5th gen in my opinion is amazing. The animation is great and N is amazing. Who else in pokemon history has been refered to as a letter? Which game are you guys planning to get? I'm getting white 'cause of butterfree! white forest (you can catch rare unevloved pokemon) and more triple battles.

Dracoste
5th November 2010, 11:50 PM
@Wordy.

Wow. I actually don't look at the pre-evos that much like you did. Mostly I only look at the last evo, because I always fully evolve them and that means that I'm stuck with them(not meant in a bad way). There are some I do look at, like the starters or if they really look cute, like Kumasyun or Bachuru.
From now on I'm going to look at the pre-evos at a different angle.

Lorde
6th November 2010, 1:24 AM
@Wordy.

Wow. I actually don't look at the pre-evos that much like you did. Mostly I only look at the last evo, because I always fully evolve them and that means that I'm stuck with them(not meant in a bad way). There are some I do look at, like the starters or if they really look cute, like Kumasyun or Bachuru.
From now on I'm going to look at the pre-evos at a different angle.

It's the opposite for me; I always look at the pre-evolved forms rather than the fully evolved forms. Pre-evolutions just look so much cuter than fully evolved Pokemon so I cannot help but prefer those. Zorua, Mijumaru, Tsutarja, and a bunch of other pre-evolved Pokemon were on my list of favorites. For Koromori, I would say I like it and it's evolved form equally though since they're both cute, but I chose Koromori in the end since I've claimed it.

Sabonea_Masukippa
6th November 2010, 2:24 AM
Week 6 of the Interviews, this week with the man who's been writing the dex entries since RS. Be prepared for some lively discussion of Darumakka's poop.

http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/staff/?p=206

The Making of Pok&#233;mon Black and White Part 6
Hello, this is Rika Nyoro, and I’m in charge of this web blog.
For Part 6 of The Making of Pok&#233;mon Black and White series, we give you Matsushima, a Game Planner, and his “Stories of Pok&#233;mon Details”
----------------------------------------------------------

Hello, I’m Matsushima, a Game Planner.
For Black and White, I was responsible for establishing the Pok&#233;mon’s details, the naming, the Pok&#233;dex, and the events concerning the Legendary Pok&#233;mon.

-- What do you mean by ‘the events concerning the Legendary Pok&#233;mon’?
For example, it’s stuff like getting the liberty ticket and then going to meet Victini and so on; scenarios where the player would be meeting Legendary Pok&#233;mon.

-- And since when have you been responsible for the details of the Pok&#233;mon?
The first Pok&#233;mon that I was responsible for setting up was Celebi, but in terms of being in charge of the entire task for one game, that’s been since Pok&#233;mon Ruby and Sapphire.
Before that I wrote the story for [a game called] Bushi and Pok&#233;mon Gold and Silver’s Kanto portion.

--So I’m wondering if all the Graphic Designers present a lot of Pok&#233;mon character designs and then you think about the ‘establishment’ of them once you’ve received them?
Yes, that’s it. The Pok&#233;mon’s details are basically just a post script.
That is to say, the Graphic Designers think of the basic details about the Pok&#233;mon while they design and then I gather up all that information and finally decide on them after talking with Mr. Sugimori.
I do all the Pok&#233;dex text by myself, though.

-- There’s over 100 Pok&#233;mon that make their debut this time, so it seems like you’d be overwhelmed just thinking up names for all of them.
How do you think up the Pok&#233;mon’s names and details?
Do you just think all day?
I pick up the key words that stand out from the basic details that the Designers give me, that I mentioned before, then research them even more deeply and then think about this and that. All day. All day, every day.

-- Is there any things that you look out for while writing the Pok&#233;dex entries?
There’s over 100 Pok&#233;mon appearing this time so I aimed to get a balance across them all.
Pok&#233;mon that have reality as living creatures…for example, Pok&#233;mon with stuff like ‘This one has this lifestyle’ or ‘This one has this behaviour’ clearly defined. And then for the Legendary types, the special ones, I try to make them a little bit more fantastical.
And, on top of that, I like to include stupid details wherever possible. (laughs)

-- Reading those out-there details is one of the fun parts about reading the Pok&#233;dex.
Like Darumakka’s poop being hot and being used as a pocket heater?

--How on earth did you come to think of that one? …(laughs)
If it was me, even supposing the poop was warm, I would not think to use it as a heater!
Really?
Well, I imagined ‘Darumakka’s hot, so its poop’s probably hot too,’ and then how ancient peoples might have thought ‘Oh, this is convenient’ and put it in their pockets.
It’s probably sterile if it’s hot too, and Pok&#233;mon only eat fruit so it probably wouldn’t smell either.

From the start we’ve got the completed archetypal Pok&#233;dex from Pok&#233;mon Red and Green. Basically I am measuring against that.
As a continuation to the answer of your question about points I look out for, I’ll say although I assume the details of the Pok&#233;mon from the Anime are probably more widely known, but in reality, Pidgey do stuff like eat Weedle and other Bug-Type Pok&#233;mon, at least it says so in the Pok&#233;dex.
This sort of ‘predator’ behavior, the bits about the life and death of Pok&#233;mon don’t get shown in the Anime.
So, I, somewhat daringly, always make sure to try and insert descriptions about them being predators and stuff in the Pok&#233;dex. In order to say, Pok&#233;mon don’t have a cute and harmless existence. I make sure to give them a reality as a living creature.

-- For sure, there are times that have startled me while reading the Pok&#233;dex.
The explanation of Parasect for example, or Hitomoshi, if we’re talking about the current generation [startled me].
Mr. Matsushima, is there anything you want to do in the future?
I want to make a game that’s not just to waste time, but actually productive for its players in some way.
Pok&#233;mon is about communicating with other people, and it takes these imaginary creatures called Pok&#233;mon and I think it shows off the connection, or the entwined fates with have with the animals of the real world beautifully in a game.
So, I think it would be nice to have another game, outside of Pok&#233;mon that had something for its players.

-- Even I hardly every am playing a game and then suddenly realised that I’ve been playing for hours [without realising it]. At times like that, I’d really welcome a game that gave a ‘plus’ to its users!
Alright, finally, can we please have a message to all the readers of the staff voice?
Please complete the Isshudex and read all the entries crammed with my wild ideas. (laughs)

I still have to go back and do last weeks' (which was on the wireless systems), but that was more technical although from memory there were some nice tidbits in there.

BCVM22
6th November 2010, 2:27 AM
Well, I imagined ‘Darumakka’s hot, so its poop’s probably hot too,’ and then how ancient peoples might have thought ‘Oh, this is convenient’ and put it in their pockets.
It’s probably sterile if it’s hot too, and Pok&#233;mon only eat fruit so it probably wouldn’t smell either.

Who says they don't think these things through?

Sabonea_Masukippa
6th November 2010, 2:31 AM
Who says they don't think these things through?

Exactly :P

He actually seemed really passionate about doing his job and differentiating the games from the anime, which is what you want from the guy responsible for writing the Pokedex, I suppose.

Lorde
6th November 2010, 2:33 AM
Ironic that they talked about Darumakka, as I'm writing a short essay about Darumakka in the anime at the moment. I always wondered how they came up with Darumakka's Dex entry about the hot poop, but it looks like we got the inside story. It seems like most of the new Dex entries for the Isshu Pokemon are just random little made-up bits of information; the usual, it seems. I also like how they talked about the Victini event, though I would've liked to have them clarify on the steps it took to plan the whole scenario.

Sabonea_Masukippa
6th November 2010, 2:38 AM
Ironic that they talked about Darumakka, as I'm writing a short essay about Darumakka in the anime at the moment. I always wondered how they came up with Darumakka's Dex entry about the hot poop, but it looks like we got the inside story. It seems like most of the new Dex entries for the Isshu Pokemon are just random little made-up bits of information; the usual, it seems. I also like how they talked about the Victini event, though I would've liked to have them clarify on the steps it took to plan the whole scenario.

It would be nice if we got more of this stuff and also stuff on design creation (although I don't blame them for being a bit secretive) and what we get is interesting, at least. Especially as I'm looking at last weeks interview which seems to go right into detail about how they went about developing the game sync.

We still have 3 weeks left of interviews; we can only hope that we get a few
more tid bits on the actual Pokemon from people in the know in at least one of them. :)

Joe.
6th November 2010, 2:48 AM
Bug: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/596.png

Dark: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/625.png

Dragon: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/610.png

Electric: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/604.png

Fighting: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/620.png

Fire: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/498.png

Flying: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/628.png

Ghost: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/593.png

Grass: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/512.png

Ground: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/553.png

Ice: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/614.png

Normal: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/506.png

Poison: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/545.png

Psychic: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/561.png

Rock: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/565.png

Steel: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/530.png

Water: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/515.png

R_N
6th November 2010, 3:16 AM
Pokemon: The #1 Poop handling simulator on the market

Ememew
6th November 2010, 4:48 AM
I really liked that he emphasized that the games were different from the anime (though that might just be because when you mention Pokemon to practically anyone around here they immediately think of the anime and look at you like you're nuts for still playing). It was nice to get some insight on what goes into the games' dex entries. It wasn't what I was expecting at all.

I'm not sure where to put this, but I have a theory on Zorua/Zoroark being the first non-legendary event-activated-only Pokemon. Since this is the Pokemon Discussion, I guess here's as good as any. I'm wondering if they might be "3rd Version" exclusives (like how some things are exclusive to Black or White, they'd only be found in the wild in the 3rd installment). Because of this, they had to make them available in B/W, and so decided on making them event Pokemon. They became the focus of the movie to tie into them being an event, rather than the other way around. It's just a theory, though, so ignore it if you think it's crazy.

MetalFlygon08
6th November 2010, 5:50 AM
I like how this confirmed Pokemon eat only fruit, then a paragraph later, he says they prey on one another. Did he mean only Darumakku eat fruit?

Royalty
6th November 2010, 6:24 AM
These are my Favorites for each type. :D

Bug: It's honestly a tie between Bachuru and Denchura. They are both so cute!

Dark: Kirikizan just because my favorite Fighting is also a Dark type.

Dragon: Ononokusu

Electric: Zekrom

Fighting: Zuruzukin

Fire: Victini

Flying: Kokoromori

Ghost: Shandera

Grass: Jalorda and Doredia

Ground: Waruvial

Ice: Kyurem

Normal: Shikijika and Mebukijika

Poison: Pendoraa...I'm not really impressed with any of them.

Psychic: Meloetta

Rock: Abagoura

Steel: Genosekuto

Water: Pururiru

Aurath8
6th November 2010, 5:21 PM
Bug: Denchura. Bug/Electric is an awesome unique typing. Hounourable mention goes to Genosect. It has LAzOrZ.

Dark: Waruvial. A giant red croc with shades.

Dragon: Ononokusu. 'Tis a dragon formed by epicness. Thou shalt think of how awesome thy dragon is.

Electric: Denchura. Again.

Fighting: Emboar. Typing my ***. Emboar is a great pokemon.

Fire: Emboar. A good fire type learning an array of moves. At least I'm not stuck with Flame Wheel until lvl 57.

Flying: Wargle. If only it learned Democracy Dance or something. That would be make it too good.

Ghost: Gorruugo. I am ANCIENT IRON MAN!.

Grass: Yanakkie, it's elvitastic!

Ground: Doryuuzu. Moles. I love 'em.

Ice: Tsunbear. The only decent Ice type this gen.

Normal: Mebukijika. Few pokemon are as gorgeous as this. It has a stunningly beautiful design.

Poison: Tametegake. It's sooooooo cute! The other poisons don't appeal to me.

Psychic: Rankurusu. An awesome ability and stats. We must all have the baby flolating in green jello.

Rock: gigaith. Awesome when it comes to design and stats but the trade evo p***ed mee off a lot.

Steel: Nattorei. There are few grass types I like and are good in battle.

Water: Abagoura. Few water types were good but with Solid Rock, Shell Break and one of my favorite reptiles make it my favorite water.

Lorde
6th November 2010, 5:26 PM
I like how this confirmed Pokemon eat only fruit, then a paragraph later, he says they prey on one another. Did he mean only Darumakku eat fruit?

I'm assuming that he meant Darumakka eat fruit, and some of the other Pokemon eat each other. That's a little gross though; Pokemon eating each other. I knew most probably did but hearing it from him made it worse somehow. I didn't think he'd just go right out there and say it like that. I thought he'd try to sugarcoat it but he didn't.

MetalFlygon08
6th November 2010, 5:29 PM
Well by size comparison, one Weedle should feed an entire family of pidgy, since their close in size.

The games have total evidence of this via some items you can find in the wild. Sharp Beaks, Poison Barbs, Rare Bones... all parts of dead pokemon.

Bardische
6th November 2010, 9:06 PM
Bachuru is about the size of a piece of popcorn. Awesome.

I am really in love with Shanderaa. Something about its ability to burn away the soul of something is really dark, but very interesting. So much creepypasta about it.

I was dreaming about Shibibiru once. It was so ugly.

Aurath8
6th November 2010, 9:17 PM
He's 10 cm or 3 inches tall. You must have some big popcorn where you live.
It still is very small though, it's evo Denchura is 80 cm or 2 feet 8 inches tall.
Only Magikarp and Washibon undergo such a change in size, wowza.

^^Yoshinichi^^
7th November 2010, 3:58 AM
Grass:http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/511.gif I liked Yanappu ever since I first saw it as that little finger puppet. I like how it looks so happy and carefree, and once I learned it's based on the "Speak No Evil" monkey, I understood what they were going for with the elemental apes. That made me appreciate the excess monkeys a bit more. I like Tsutarja almost as much as Yanappu, and I plan on using Tsutarja in Black along with Pokabu, but Yanappu barely beats it.

Fire:http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/554.gif I honestly love both Hihidaruma and Darumakka. Since Darumakka is much cuter, though, I'll choose him. When I saw Hihidaruma in those early June Coro Coro scans, I instantly liked it. I had a feeling he had a pre-evolution, and I was glad to see he did get one. What surprised me is Hihidaruma's amazing attack. That really added a bonus to liking it. I think I'm one of the few who'll use it primarily for its design. Darumakka is really a neat Pokemon, and I love that it can tuck in its limbs and wobble around. An all around great family.

Water:http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/501.gif
Now, Mijumaru is my favourite Isshu starter by far. However, since I'm a good boyfriend, and Haruka's choosing Mijumaru, I'm sticking with Pokabu. Mijumaru was always cute to me, and seeing it in the anime only made me love it more. Mijumaru's has got such a clever design, and it's great to see it became the samurai we all wanted it to become.

Normal:http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/626.gif
Who wouldn't love something like this? It's a buffalo with an afro? It's one of the most amusing concepts out there, but it also looks so serious, and I love that. Tauros is great, but Baffuron does it even better for me. Too bad my team's all filled up for when I get Pokemon Black.

Electric:http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/587.gif
How could anybody say no to that face? Emonga has to be the cutest electric rodent yet. He's got a definite spot on my Black team. His stats don't matter to me, either. Who needs stats with a face like that?

Bug:http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/86/616.png
For some reason, I just have this immense fascination with Chobomaki. I can't explain it. Maybe it's because I've always wanted a knight Pokemon, or maybe it's the long, sucker mouth.

Dark:http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/571.gifI always liked Zoroark. After learning that it appears transformed before you even battle it, it made me like it more. This Pokemon truly can mess up your opponent, and I love that! I'm hoping to find a Zoroark relatively easily off the GTS, because this is one Pokemon I don't want to skip out on.

Rock:http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/557.gif Awwwww....Paras' Ishu cousin! I think Ishizumai is simply adorable, and he's definitely made it on my Black team. With stellar defense and that nifty rock shell, I really love what they did with it. Move over, Krabby!

Dragon:http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/611.gif
I like all the Dragon types in Isshu, but Onondo is the most appealing to me, design wise. I just love the black and green, and how it's a bridge between Kibago and Ononokusu.

Fighting:http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/560.gif
Zuruzukin is simply amazing, end of story. It's a ghetto lizard with a hoodie! Try to top that. Oh, and it's chewing gum. I think.

Flying:http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/528.gif Kokoromori! <3 I love this little heart bat! What makes me sad is he has one of the most abysmmal stat spreads in the region. I think Maggyo has higher stats than this little guy. Regardless, Kokoromori is definitely the flyer for my Black team.

Poison:http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/568.gif
I love how dumb Yabakuron looks. And by that, I mean it looks so unaware and silly, that I just want to hug it and get all nice and stinky. I'm sure the poor guy has lots of haters.

Psychic:http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/606.gif
It's kinda funny. I had a Psychic alien Fakemon made a few months before B/W came out. This guy's way better designed, though. I love everything about him, from his glowing fingers to his rocky build and eerie eyes.

Ground:http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/553.gif
Warubiaru! I wasn't too impressed by him at first, but he eventually grew on me. I love that he's also part baryonyx, and he has such a cool type combo.
He's not making it on my team, but if I do a second run-through, he will be on it.

Steel:http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/597.gif
Teshiido is so fun to watch. I like both Teshiido and Nattorei, and I actually like Nattorei a bit more, but I couldn't find a moving Nattorei. This is a big example of a Pokemon that has a simple design that works so well anyways. It looks like a Pineco expy, and I like that. I'd just hate to be a Pokemon battling one of those. It looks like the perfect torture device to me.

Ice:http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/582.gif
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http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/584.gif
I don't really like these guys, but they make me hungry. So congrats, Game Freak. I think.

Ghost:http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/607.gif
Hitomoshi is a cutie, but I hate how overpowered Shanderra is. I'll have a bunch of Hitomoshi, since they're so cute, but I only want Shanderra for the data.

Nightlight
7th November 2010, 4:17 AM
Here are my favorite Pokemon in B/W by type:

Grass: Jalorda

Fire: Baokkie

Water: Abagoura

Normal: Mebukijika

Electric: Emonga

Bug: Aianto

Dark: Lepardas

Rock: Gigaiath

Dragon: Sazandora

Fighting: Zuruzkin

Flying: Wargle

Poison: Pendrah

Psychic: Rankurusu

Ground: Doryuzu

Ice: Tsunbear

Ghost: Deskaan

Sponge
7th November 2010, 10:20 AM
and some of the other Pokemon eat each other. That's a little gross though;

Nature is gross, an animal (pokemon) eating another is nothing.

I really like how he makes sure the pokemon aren't completely happy go lucky buffoons skipping around eating berries all day. Something the anime is a major culprit of.

Sabonea_Masukippa
7th November 2010, 10:26 AM
I *think* he means in game they can only "eat" berries, but as "real" creatures (as he tries to present them) in the dex they have qualities more like real animals.

Mr. E Goods
7th November 2010, 10:40 AM
I *think* he means in game they can only "eat" berries, but as "real" creatures (as he tries to present them) in the dex they have qualities more like real animals.


Maybe.... Or maybe he meant just that specific pokemon eats fruit, or all of them eat fruit plus some omnivores eat other pokemon

Lorde
7th November 2010, 4:05 PM
I *think* he means in game they can only "eat" berries, but as "real" creatures (as he tries to present them) in the dex they have qualities more like real animals.

Pokemon like Darumakka eating berries in the games sounds so much more acceptable. I just cannot imagine Pokemon eating each other in the games. Yeah, as someone pointed out, there are bones and beaks and stuff in the games but I always assumed those were from Pokemon who died naturally. Anyway, I do like how he tries to present Pokemon as being real creatures; it seems like he (the guy being interviewed) takes his job very seriously :p

Slowemperor
7th November 2010, 6:41 PM
The thing that always me avoid the thought of pokémon eating each other was because of battles and teams. Like a Pidgey using Peck on a Weedle or a Arcanine using Bite on a Miltank would sound a little bit... odd. Also image a team or box where you have a Weedle and the Pidgey who ate his family... ouch.

RedMage23
7th November 2010, 6:44 PM
Also image a team or box where you have a Weedle and the Pidgey who ate his family... ouch.

Pidgey: So... yeah... I know we've had some differences in the past, but I was hoping we could work together in a non-hostile environment...
Weedle: F*** off

R_N
7th November 2010, 6:58 PM
I really like how he makes sure the pokemon aren't completely happy go lucky buffoons skipping around eating berries all day.

But...those are exactly what Darumakka and Hihidaruma are!

Aurath8
7th November 2010, 7:41 PM
But...those are exactly what Darumakka and Hihidaruma are!

Unless they have Daruma Mode, in which case they sit around looking all blue and angry, until someone drops a bell on them.

Lorde
7th November 2010, 8:58 PM
Unless they have Daruma Mode, in which case they sit around looking all blue and angry, until someone drops a bell on them.

A reference to the anime? I've never liked that Daruma Mode ability that certain Hihidaruma have. Daruma Mode Hihidaruma look ridiculous. I was planning on getting a Hihidaruma as my Fire-type Pokemon once I get the English Black version, but the ones at the Ancient Castle have that ability so I'll just have to capture a Darumakka and train it myself, the hard way. At least Darumakka look to be good for a laugh; after seeing them in the anime, I'm more tempted to train them myself so things look to be working out.

AndSoWeLoveZombies
8th November 2010, 2:33 AM
When I saw the first confirmed pokemon I thought "Wtf?.. They don't look like awkward conglomerations of every-day items like the last 400-something pokemons! This gen. looks like the game designers got bored, or something..." But, I thought about it a little more and I saw the leaked opening credits and tried to think of them in a different way. You really can't think of the original generations of pokemon when you look at these pokemon because they're just so different.

And what about the names? Are they Japanese or not? XD Last I checked, the Japanese language didn't have L's in it. And, are these the names the pokemon will be transferred over-seas with? If there are any flaws in my assumptions PLEASE message or comment me!

MetalFlygon08
8th November 2010, 4:07 AM
Well, I'd hate to be using the poop of a darumakku who was eating all those Lava Cookies I had....

R_N
8th November 2010, 4:24 AM
When I saw the first confirmed pokemon I thought "Wtf?.. They don't look like awkward conglomerations of every-day items like the last 400-something pokemons! This gen. looks like the game designers got bored, or something..." But, I thought about it a little more and I saw the leaked opening credits and tried to think of them in a different way. You really can't think of the original generations of pokemon when you look at these pokemon because they're just so different.
Well that's a....unique thought process.


And what about the names? Are they Japanese or not? XD Last I checked, the Japanese language didn't have L's in it. And, are these the names the pokemon will be transferred over-seas with? If there are any flaws in my assumptions PLEASE message or comment me!Of course they're Japanese. Romanized so we can read them, but Japanese.

Ls kind of exist. They're interchangable when translating, but the sounds are what is important. Like Zoroark won't be called Zoloark, but Rucario would be called Lucario.
Same thing happens with, uh, B & V I believe.

As for staying overseas, it will vary. The legendaries will all almost certainly keep their names; those are specifically created for that purpose. Maybe a few spelling differences. Other Pokemon? Most will probably get their names changed though I could imagine some such as Chillarmy or Wargle staying the same. Emonga probably will, too, since the electric rodents tend to stay the same.

For reference, we know that Reshiram, Zekrom, and Zoroark are all keeping their names

Icay4321
8th November 2010, 4:49 AM
What's all this talk about poke-carnivorism? And darumakkas eating Pidgeys?

Favorite poke of the gen has to be Bachuru. I do believe it us our smallest guy yet. :3

Ophie
8th November 2010, 5:52 AM
(By the way, the Hihidaruma I plan to put in my Rotation Battle team will have Daruma Mode as its ability. I think I figured out a way to make it work.)

All Pokémon names are written in katakana, the set of characters used to approximate sound effects and words in other languages. Most of the Pokémon use Japanese words anyway, but some do not.

As there is no L sound in the Japanese language (sort of), they approximate R for it. There are other cases too, depending on context. A Pokémon name with multiple cases is ランプラー (Ranpuraa, with the stress on the first syllable). The Pokémon is obviously based on a lamp, so this Pokémon's name is most likely supposed to be "Lampler." Here, every character is an approximation for a sound that doesn't exist in Japanese:
ラ: There is no character representing "La," so the one for "Ra" is used as an approximation.
ン: Katakana rules dictate that when "mp" shows up in the intended word, the "m" is substituted for the character for "n." (An example is "jump," which is spelled as ジャンプ (jyanpu).)
プ: The "u" sound is a very weak vowel. It's barely even pronounced and is NEVER stressed unless it comes before a vowel lengthener. This character stands for "pu," meaning it must approximate for a "p" sound ending a syllable or word.
ラ: Again, we have the R sound substituting for the L sound.
ー: No "er" vowel sound exists in Japanese. Instead, it's approximated with a vowel lengthener after an "a" sound. The previous character stood for "ra," so what we have is "raa," which can stand for "rer" or, more commonly, "ler." (An example is "farmer," which is spelled as ファーマー (faamaa).)

Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of these. I learned these entirely through observation and not through class.


I really liked that he emphasized that the games were different from the anime (though that might just be because when you mention Pokemon to practically anyone around here they immediately think of the anime and look at you like you're nuts for still playing). It was nice to get some insight on what goes into the games' dex entries. It wasn't what I was expecting at all.

It's more that the anime came before the games outside of Japan, and right in the middle of the anime bubble at that, so people have the mistaken belief that it was an anime first and foremost and think the games are merchandise for the show (rather than the other way around).

I've noticed, all the way up to now, that when you say "Pokémon" to people, they will think you mean the show. You typically have to specify that you mean the video games.

Even then, few people seem to know that there is, in fact, very little overlap between the games and the show. Most everyone knows the games exist, and since Diamond/Pearl made a huge comeback, know the games are still going on. But they think that everyone who plays the games is just reliving the events of the show. What truly astounds people is when they find out that those who play the games tend to detest the show, and fans of the show don't care much for the games.

And then there's the trading card game, which has a small periphery of its own. You have a bunch of people who don't associate with Pokémon except for the card games...


I'm assuming that he meant Darumakka eat fruit, and some of the other Pokemon eat each other. That's a little gross though; Pokemon eating each other. I knew most probably did but hearing it from him made it worse somehow. I didn't think he'd just go right out there and say it like that. I thought he'd try to sugarcoat it but he didn't.

There really is no reason to have to sugarcoat it. "Never Say Die" only applies to children's television, where the network censors don't allow it. Even 4Kids makes sex jokes when it doens't have to play by the censors' rules.

R_N
8th November 2010, 6:47 AM
(By the way, the Hihidaruma I plan to put in my Rotation Battle team will have Daruma Mode as its ability. I think I figured out a way to make it work.)

I will be incredibly interested in how you do this. It seems really risky basing him around it.
Also be weary of Healing Beam, I guess. Any time you go above half-health its back to normal Hihidaruma


There really is no reason to have to sugarcoat it. "Never Say Die" only applies to children's television, where the network censors don't allow it. Even 4Kids makes sex jokes when it doesn't have to play by the censors' rules.4kids could be really bipolar when it came to editing.
Oh god its japanese cover it with nonexistant fire

and then turn around and make James flamboyanter
also ship ash & misty

Sponge
8th November 2010, 8:05 AM
I was just thinking....

What happens if a Hihidaruma with Daruma mode is hit with skill swap or a similar move? The user will hardly get daruma mode will they? :S

Also if a hihidaruma is in daruma mode and get's hit by desukan....when it's abilitie changes to mummy will it change back to normal mode?

R_N
8th November 2010, 8:44 AM
The user will get it but nothing will happen to them. Only Hihidaruma is affected by Daruma mode

I'm not 100&#37; sure, but I think smogon tested what happens when Hihidaruma's ability is changed (be it by mummy or skil swap or whatever) and it changes back automatically.

moonlightning
8th November 2010, 9:35 AM
I expect Venasuar will get more popular. With its badass new sprite, chlorophyll and okay stats it will rock the world when Droughtails gets its dry little paws all over the metagame.

I really like Archaos sp?. It seems so cool, shame about the frankly pitiful special movepool, it had SOOO much potential. At least it isn't crippled like Regigias and Slaking.

Although you could somehow pass Mummy onto one of those two... I see some plans developing.

Ophie
8th November 2010, 10:54 AM
Of course. I already noticed that you could have Archeos attack Desukan directly and eliminate its weakness. I saw a YouTube wi-fi battle where the uploader brought out Desukan and the opponent immediately switched to Slaking--almost worked. The problem with Archeos is that it's got low Defense and Special Defense, or at least too low for it to waste a turn attacking Desukan in a double or triple battle.

On the other hand, you can pair up Archeos with someone who knows Gastro Acid, Worry Seed, or Simple Beam. It seems there's little use for Archeos with Simple though, as aside from AncientPower, the only stat it can gain is Speed.

Mario with Lasers
8th November 2010, 12:16 PM
I will be incredibly interested in how you do this. It seems really risky basing him around it.
Also be weary of Healing Beam, I guess. Any time you go above half-health its back to normal Hihidaruma

Considering "swapping out" a pokémon does not count as switching out in Rotation, I guess that's what he's going to do.


I still think it's madness to even wonder about the possibility of Daruma Mode being useful, but hey it may work.

R_N
8th November 2010, 5:45 PM
Considering "swapping out" a pokémon does not count as switching out in Rotation, I guess that's what he's going to do.
Oh durr I forgot it was Rotation.
Now I', doubly interested in seeing how this works out



I still think it's madness to even wonder about the possibility of Daruma Mode being useful, but hey it may work.

MwL stop being such a negative nancy >:T

Aurath8
8th November 2010, 7:55 PM
I expect Venasuar will get more popular. With its badass new sprite, chlorophyll and okay stats it will rock the world when Droughtails gets its dry little paws all over the metagame.

I really like Archaos sp?. It seems so cool, shame about the frankly pitiful special movepool, it had SOOO much potential. At least it isn't crippled like Regigias and Slaking.

Although you could somehow pass Mummy onto one of those two... I see some plans developing.

It's attack is far better, I don't know why you would use specials anywayz. And it is crippled, just not as forced as Regigigas and the 'king. Below half health it's attack stats are halved. It's defences suck as well, which is why it didn't get Stall or something.
I wonder if Slaking or Gigas will ever get Pursuit. It'd be funny when they switch in Desukan while I switched in Slaking and getting owned by Pursuit and then clean swept.

Aurath8
8th November 2010, 7:59 PM
I expect Venasuar will get more popular. With its badass new sprite, chlorophyll and okay stats it will rock the world when Droughtails gets its dry little paws all over the metagame.

I really like Archaos sp?. It seems so cool, shame about the frankly pitiful special movepool, it had SOOO much potential. At least it isn't crippled like Regigias and Slaking.

Although you could somehow pass Mummy onto one of those two... I see some plans developing.

It's attack is far better, I don't know why you would use specials anywayz. And it is crippled, just not as forced as Regigigas and the 'king. Below half health it's attack stats are halved. It's defences suck as well, which is why it didn't get Stall or something.
I wonder if Slaking or Gigas will ever get Pursuit. It'd be funny when they switch in Desukan while I switched in Slaking and getting owned by Pursuit and then clean swept.

poke-lord
8th November 2010, 9:45 PM
Waht is everyones favourite from the 5th gen? Mine is zururzurkin because of his swagger and low trousers.

Shneak
8th November 2010, 10:20 PM
Waht is everyones favourite from the 5th gen? Mine is zururzurkin because of his swagger and low trousers.

http://www.arkeis.com/images/animations/608.gif

This.

ForteAnly
9th November 2010, 12:39 AM
I don't have too many favorites from this region. Since a lot of the new designs are pretty weird but here are some of my favorites.

Ononokusu
Sazandora
Ulgamoth
Enbuoh
Gigaiath
Archeos
Crimgan
Kirikizan

machine gun
9th November 2010, 2:18 AM
My favorites in this gen :

Grass : the Erufuun line
Fire : the Hihidaruma line
Water : the Abagoora line
Normal : Baffuron
Dark : the Zoroark line
Psychic :the Rankurusu line
Flying: the Wargle line
Rock : the Gigaiath line
Ground : the Waruvial line
Steel : the Kirikizan line
Fight : the Zuruzukin line
Bug : the Agirudaa line
Poison : the Pendoraa line
Ghost : the Goruugu line
Ice : the Tsunabeaa line
Electric : the Shibiruddon line
Dragon : the Sazandora line

Nacreous
9th November 2010, 7:36 AM
Hmmm...my fav of the gen

Grass http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/497.png

Fire and Ghost http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/607.png

Water http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/502.png

Electric http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/595.png

Psychic http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/579.png

Dragon http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/635.png

Dark and Ground http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/552.png

Normal http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/586.png

Fighting http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/559.png

Flying http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/520.png

Poison http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/545.png

Rock and Bug http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/557.png

Steel http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/530.png

Shine
9th November 2010, 11:58 AM
I wonder if Slaking or Gigas will ever get Pursuit. It'd be funny when they switch in Desukan while I switched in Slaking and getting owned by Pursuit and then clean swept.

....Slaking does learns Pursuit, since 3rd Gen in fact, which is the Gen where Slaking first appeared xD

http://www.serebii.net/attackdex/pursuit.shtml
http://www.serebii.net/attackdex-dp/pursuit.shtml
http://www.serebii.net/attackdex-bw/pursuit.shtml

only via breeding though

Sabonea_Masukippa
9th November 2010, 12:00 PM
http://www.1up.com/news/how-pokemon-get-made

Via Pokebeach, nothing incredibly earth-shattering, but I like reading this stuff and I assume you all do to :p

LimeStar
9th November 2010, 2:06 PM
Just a little note to add to the Japanese language thing about R and L, it's not really an R sound either. Well, not like in English, anyway. It's a much softer sound.
The B and V issue is different. If a word comes from English or another foreign language, that has a V sound in it, they appropriate it with the B.
While on the topic of Japanese, I'd like to mention that "Tsu", would be just as accurately written as "tu", as the T sound changes because of the U sound after it, making it a very soft sound. Its not like you'd pronounce "tsu" in English.
"N" is often pronounced as "M" and "ng", in example, like Ophie said, the Japonicised version of Jump, would be ジャンプ, but it's pronounced as an "m" not a "n".
I think this is more or less accurate. Please correct any mistake I have made politely.

Sabonea_Masukippa
9th November 2010, 2:51 PM
Just a little note to add to the Japanese language thing about R and L, it's not really an R sound either. Well, not like in English, anyway. It's a much softer sound.
The B and V issue is different. If a word comes from English or another foreign language, that has a V sound in it, they appropriate it with the B.
While on the topic of Japanese, I'd like to mention that "Tsu", would be just as accurately written as "tu", as the T sound changes because of the U sound after it, making it a very soft sound. Its not like you'd pronounce "tsu" in English.
"N" is often pronounced as "M" and "ng", in example, like Ophie said, the Japonicised version of Jump, would be ジャンプ, but it's pronounced as an "m" not a "n".
I think this is more or less accurate. Please correct any mistake I have made politely.

No, you pretty much got it in one (and you too Ophie :) )

(Puts on language dork hat - feel free to skip)

"R" in Japanese can be anywhere between a hard English R (like red) to a L (like Light) depending on the speaker and the context - although it tends to be a flap sound that that moves up and down the height of the mouth, from the little flat ridge behind your teeth to striking either the back or top fo the lower teeth.
It's not that they don't have the L sound in the language - they just don't distinguish words on the basis of whether the sound was an L or an R (the sounds aren't that phonetically dissimillar anyway) and the romanization picks R because, on balance, it tends to be a closer representation of the sound in more contexts for more speakers.
For example, the other day, I heard two Japanese people speaking to each other: one clearly said Lamplaa and the other said Rampulaa - despite both having roughly the same (low) level of English.

As an example of English doing the same thing, we don't distinguish between aspirated and unaspriated stop sounds. Basically, when you say things like B, P, K, D, T, or G in English you will either release a puff of air as you say them or you won't, but it doesn't change the meaning of the word, but in languages like Thai, whether or not you release that air does make a difference to the meaning of the word. An example for many people is the different "p" sounds in Spy and Pie - put your hand close to your mouth and say them, most people will naturally release air on one of them, but not on the other, although it doesn't work for everyone, and many people will let out even a little bit of air for both.

And, for example, the "tsu" in Tsutarja is just pronounced as "Tstarja", but Tsunbear needs the u sound there (probably something to do with the "n" sound).

N sounds in Japanese are pretty much the same as English. It's why we say IMpossible and IMpolite but INdirect and INdisrepute despite them (arguably) being the same morpheme -ie sharing the same meaning. Basically, N sounds before bilabial sounds (ones you make with your lips pushed together - basically B & P) tend to become M sounds because they're easier to say than N sounds because M is a bilabial sound too. Although the NG sound (as in running or the Vietnemese surname Ng) does occur in different spots in each language - ie it only occurs word final, in stuff like "ing" verbs in English, but can occur earlier in Japanese.

There's also "FU" in Japanese which some people will pronounce as "U" and others with says as "HU" depending on their age, location, dialect and context etc. Actually, F and V are pronounced differently to English too, ever so slightly. In English people tend to say the sounds with the lower lip caught underneath, or at least have the top of the lip touching their upper teeth, but Japanese people will tend to use the a back and forward motion of their lower lips against the front of their top teeth. And U sounds are pronounced with unrounded lips, which is the less common way of doing it in English.

Anyway, so this why stuff like Shinboraa can become Symbolar or Enbuoo can become Emboar in the romanization process (although Symbolar that also has to do with English arbitrariliy substituting the letter Y in for an I sound in certain contexts).

Lorde
9th November 2010, 3:45 PM
http://www.1up.com/news/how-pokemon-get-made

Via Pokebeach, nothing incredibly earth-shattering, but I like reading this stuff and I assume you all do to :p

It's like the Pokemon-version of "Where do babies come from?"! I love it. Though I already knew most of this stuff like the part about Game Freak holding meetings and it's design team coming up with new creatures and discussing them as a group. The part about Reshiram and Zekrom being the focus of the games made tons of sense as well since they were the title Pokemon. I found it funny that they called Reshiram's design "lady-like" and Zekrom's "manly-looking". I can just imagine Reshiram with a purse and Zekrom with a mustache :p

Atoyont
9th November 2010, 3:59 PM
No, you pretty much got it in one (and you too Ophie :) )

(Puts on language dork hat - feel free to skip)

"R" in Japanese can be anywhere between a hard English R (like red) to a L (like Light) depending on the speaker and the context - although it tends to be a flap sound that that moves up and down the height of the mouth, from the little flat ridge behind your teeth to striking either the back or top fo the lower teeth.
It's not that they don't have the L sound in the language - they just don't distinguish words on the basis of whether the sound was an L or an R (the sounds aren't that phonetically dissimillar anyway) and the romanization picks R because, on balance, it tends to be a closer representation of the sound in more contexts for more speakers.
For example, the other day, I heard two Japanese people speaking to each other: one clearly said Lamplaa and the other said Rampulaa - despite both having roughly the same (low) level of English.

As an example of English doing the same thing, we don't distinguish between aspirated and unaspriated stop sounds. Basically, when you say things like B, P, K, D, T, or G in English you will either release a puff of air as you say them or you won't, but it doesn't change the meaning of the word, but in languages like Thai, whether or not you release that air does make a difference to the meaning of the word. An example for many people is the different "p" sounds in Spy and Pie - put your hand close to your mouth and say them, most people will naturally release air on one of them, but not on the other, although it doesn't work for everyone, and many people will let out even a little bit of air for both.

And, for example, the "tsu" in Tsutarja is just pronounced as "Tstarja", but Tsunbear needs the u sound there (probably something to do with the "n" sound).

N sounds in Japanese are pretty much the same as English. It's why we say IMpossible and IMpolite but INdirect and INdisrepute despite them (arguably) being the same morpheme -ie sharing the same meaning. Basically, N sounds before bilabial sounds (ones you make with your lips pushed together - basically B & P) tend to become M sounds because they're easier to say than N sounds because M is a bilabial sound too. Although the NG sound (as in running or the Vietnemese surname Ng) does occur in different spots in each language - ie it only occurs word final, in stuff like "ing" verbs in English, but can occur earlier in Japanese.

There's also "FU" in Japanese which some people will pronounce as "U" and others with says as "HU" depending on their age, location, dialect and context etc. Actually, F and V are pronounced differently to English too, ever so slightly. In English people tend to say the sounds with the lower lip caught underneath, or at least have the top of the lip touching their upper teeth, but Japanese people will tend to use the a back and forward motion of their lower lips against the front of their top teeth. And U sounds are pronounced with unrounded lips, which is the less common way of doing it in English.

Anyway, so this why stuff like Shinboraa can become Symbolar or Enbuoo can become Emboar in the romanization process (although Symbolar that also has to do with English arbitrariliy substituting the letter Y in for an I sound in certain contexts).
I love linguistics lol

Also, it appears that they mixed a seal balancing a ball on its nose with an otter to make Daikenki. Sounds about right.

R_N
9th November 2010, 6:25 PM
http://www.1up.com/news/how-pokemon-get-made

Via Pokebeach, nothing incredibly earth-shattering, but I like reading this stuff and I assume you all do to :p
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
oh my god this is wonderful

It's weird that they thought the sea lion was so powerful so they...make...him have higher special attack
SURE
WHY NOT
(ha ha ha Daikenki a den mother)

Slowemperor
9th November 2010, 7:49 PM
http://www.1up.com/news/how-pokemon-get-made

Via Pokebeach, nothing incredibly earth-shattering, but I like reading this stuff and I assume you all do to :p

"The original idea with Pokabu was to have a Pokemon that figuratively looked 'cute enough to eat' at the start, but would eventually evolve to the point where it'd wind up eating you instead,""Pokabu wound up being more of the 'sidekick' sort -- clumsy but lovable. He gradually evolves and matures into something a lot more reliable as you play, so it makes the effort to raise him seem pretty worth it, I think."
I like Pokabu's line now.

Is it just me or they missed Tsutarja? They talked about the development of Pokabu and Mijumaru but they only said Tsutarja would be the "cool one".

Lorde
9th November 2010, 8:43 PM
Is it just me or they missed Tsutarja? They talked about the development of Pokabu and Mijumaru but they only said Tsutarja would be the "cool one".

I guess Tsutarja was too cool for them to discuss in detail haha. I actually love that they focused more on Pokabu and Mijumaru. Pokabu always seemed to be the most ignored of the Isshu Starter Pokemon but I love how they said it was based on being "cute enough to eat". That part was my favorite. That part about Mijumaru being the "cute" Starter was pretty accurate since I think it's much cuter than Tsutarja or Pokabu. It's evolved forms are also pretty interesting and I love that Daikenki was designed with an aquarium seal in mind as well.

Sabonea_Masukippa
9th November 2010, 11:49 PM
It could be that they did talk about Tsutarja, but 1up didn't translate that bit from the original interview (I am searching for it to see if there's anything in there, but it might not be available online - yet).

And yeah, I love that the guy talks about deciding to make Daikenki look so different from its pre-evos so casually after all the fuss that it caused. Although, in the end, it was what partly convinced me the starter leaks might have been real - because no one committing a legitimate fake and posting it on the part of 2ch that displays your IP address would have made something that look so (at the time?) crazy looking. A real faker would have made it look exactly how everyone thought the final evo would be if they were going to that much effort. (That of course was only until Serebii's source told him they were real, of course). Anyway, cool article.

ForeverFlame
10th November 2010, 1:21 AM
That article is amazing. It explains so much.


The designs for the three starter Pokemon in Black and White, meanwhile, were handled by younger staff at Game Freak.

That's why they look so different from the other starters.

Ophie
10th November 2010, 2:33 AM
I will be incredibly interested in how you do this. It seems really risky basing him around it.
Also be weary of Healing Beam, I guess. Any time you go above half-health its back to normal Hihidaruma

Healing Beam would be so situational in a rotation battle that I don't think I'll ever see it. In fact, I'd say it's absolutely useless in a rotation battle because I could easily turn the stage to a damaged Pokémon as my opponent offers to heal it up. Its best uses, by far, are in double battles and triple battles.

Nevertheless, I'll definitely be wary of any Mamanbous. Even if they're not at their best potential in a rotation battle, they're far from useless.


Considering "swapping out" a pokémon does not count as switching out in Rotation, I guess that's what he's going to do.


I still think it's madness to even wonder about the possibility of Daruma Mode being useful, but hey it may work.

I wouldn't go ahead with an idea if I don't think it would work. This particular strategy, and all of the strategies on the team, make use of the rotating stage in some form or another.

Double battling largely unexplored territory, so I can hardly wait to bring it online and see what it can do.


It's attack is far better, I don't know why you would use specials anywayz. And it is crippled, just not as forced as Regigigas and the 'king. Below half health it's attack stats are halved. It's defences suck as well, which is why it didn't get Stall or something.
I wonder if Slaking or Gigas will ever get Pursuit. It'd be funny when they switch in Desukan while I switched in Slaking and getting owned by Pursuit and then clean swept.

Hey, there's a use for Healing Beam. In a double battle or triple battle, pair up Archeos with Mamanbou or someone else who can learn it. Clever use of Healing Beam will ensure Archeos is always either above half HP or fainted. Just be sure to not accidentally use Substitute.

If they're allowed, Latias and Latios would be the best candidates for Healing Beam, as they're equals in Speed and the fastest users of the move; you just have to make sure Archeos is slightly slower and you can regulate Archeos's HP through it.

Mamanbou's still got the support advantage in Wide Guard (to stop Surfs and Rock Slides) and, in the case of Latios, Healing Wish (if they're both in a sorry state, switch Archeos out with something bulky and use Healing Wish to get Archeos back to tip-top shape).


http://www.1up.com/news/how-pokemon-get-made

Via Pokebeach, nothing incredibly earth-shattering, but I like reading this stuff and I assume you all do to :p

Oh, Lee Hyunjung is an official member of the Pokémon design team now? Was he part of the team in Diamond/Pearl? I first saw illustrations from him in the Mysterious Treasures (DP2). Well, more like "illustration," as Shinx was the only one he drew for like three sets.

I thought he was a guest artist, like Imakuni (who continues to draw some here and there).


"R" in Japanese can be anywhere between a hard English R (like red) to a L (like Light) depending on the speaker and the context - although it tends to be a flap sound that that moves up and down the height of the mouth, from the little flat ridge behind your teeth to striking either the back or top fo the lower teeth.
It's not that they don't have the L sound in the language - they just don't distinguish words on the basis of whether the sound was an L or an R (the sounds aren't that phonetically dissimillar anyway) and the romanization picks R because, on balance, it tends to be a closer representation of the sound in more contexts for more speakers.

As an example of English doing the same thing, we don't distinguish between aspirated and unaspriated stop sounds. Basically, when you say things like B, P, K, D, T, or G in English you will either release a puff of air as you say them or you won't, but it doesn't change the meaning of the word, but in languages like Thai, whether or not you release that air does make a difference to the meaning of the word. An example for many people is the different "p" sounds in Spy and Pie - put your hand close to your mouth and say them, most people will naturally release air on one of them, but not on the other, although it doesn't work for everyone, and many people will let out even a little bit of air for both.

There's also "FU" in Japanese which some people will pronounce as "U" and others with says as "HU" depending on their age, location, dialect and context etc. Actually, F and V are pronounced differently to English too, ever so slightly. In English people tend to say the sounds with the lower lip caught underneath, or at least have the top of the lip touching their upper teeth, but Japanese people will tend to use the a back and forward motion of their lower lips against the front of their top teeth. And U sounds are pronounced with unrounded lips, which is the less common way of doing it in English.

I'd say the closest equivalent to the Japanese R familiar to Americans would be the Spanish R, like as in "reloj" (clock) or "trabajo" (work). I'm not sure how many around here have heard enough authentic Spanish to know what I mean by it though. I'm sure many here have only heard English, or English and French; neither language has that sound.

It's interesting that you brought up the Thai language. I'd like to elaborate that the language uses a consonant-vowel system and has different consonant characters for hard and soft consonants that English doesn't distinguish. A simple example are the ones for the hard-T (ท) and soft-T (ต) sounds. A bit of confusion I'd like to clear up is transliteration to "th" is actually the hard-T sound (as in "tea" or "tap") and transliteration to "t" is the soft-T sound (as in "matter" or "fighting"). That is, "Thai" is homonymous to "tie." ต happens to stand for "turtle," a word that uses both the hard-T and the soft-T sounds in English.

A factoid: Ancient Egyptians didn't distinguish between the F and V sounds. Phonetic hieroglyphs used the same character to represent both.

That was a very cool post though; I'm not as familiar with terminology of sounds and all, as they confuse me to pieces. I think we may need an explanation later on down the line about actual translation though; it seems that people who only know one language tend to think that translation is simple word substitution done to an entire text.

ForteAnly
10th November 2010, 2:51 AM
That article is amazing. It explains so much.



That's why they look so different from the other starters.

I guess they are blame for the lame starters. Joking aside it is pretty interesting to see how the Pokemon are made.

R_N
10th November 2010, 2:53 AM
For the record, I had said Healing Beam because I forgot hihi was on a Rotation Battle team and was on the Triple Battle team, where Healing Beam would be more appropriate.



That's why they look so different from the other starters.

Ignoring that they really don't look so different from the other starters at all, we have no frame of reference for who designed the starters for gens 2-4

Sabonea_Masukippa
10th November 2010, 3:23 AM
That article is amazing. It explains so much.



That's why they look so different from the other starters.

Ironically, most people seem (or seemed) to think:

Tsutarja = Treecko
Mijumaru = Piplup/Squritle
Jalorda = Milotic
Chaobuu = Lickitung
Emboar = Rhyperior
Daikenki = Dialga

SO, yeah. Fun stuff.


Oh, Lee Hyunjung is an official member of the Pokémon design team now? Was he part of the team in Diamond/Pearl? I first saw illustrations from him in the Mysterious Treasures (DP2). Well, more like "illustration," as Shinx was the only one he drew for like three sets.

I thought he was a guest artist, like Imakuni (who continues to draw some here and there).

I didn't know who he was but I noticed him and Jaime's (James) in the credits as just about the only non-Japanese people involved in the games and especially Pokemon design. But, yeah, he seems to be an official designer for the games now. I actually quite like the Pokabu families design so I hope he's responsible for more in the future, too.


That was a very cool post though; I'm not as familiar with terminology of sounds and all, as they confuse me to pieces. I think we may need an explanation later on down the line about actual translation though; it seems that people who only know one language tend to think that translation is simple word substitution done to an entire text.

Thanks, yours on the subject are awesome too (totally didn't know that about Spanish, Thai or Egyptian.) Sound names confuse me too and phonetics is my least favourite area of study, but fortunately it was compolsury at Uni so, it got drilled into my head. And I would love to do a post on translation; I've got some time now, I might just put on my dork hat again and go nuts :P

R_N
10th November 2010, 4:07 AM
I take it Hyunjung is Chinese, then?
Well that explains why he got Pokabu, then.

Sabonea_Masukippa
10th November 2010, 4:15 AM
I take it Hyunjung is Chinese, then?
Well that explains why he got Pokabu, then.

I thought they said he was Korean, but when I first saw the name in the games credits I thought it looked Chinese. It may be that he's Chinese-Korean or something like that.

Ophie
10th November 2010, 5:10 AM
Lee Hyunjung is Korean. It's a Korean name, through and through.

Nacreous
10th November 2010, 6:55 AM
I can't see the article!!!Everytime I click it says operation abortedT__T

Can someone copy what is says in word or something?I really wanna read it

RitterCat
10th November 2010, 8:25 AM
Odd, I never thought of Pokabu as a 'sidekick' pokemon. He is still my favourite though. I think I appreciate Miju's line's (ugh apostrophes) design more now. When I first saw it I was liek adorable otter, cool samurai otter, WTF GRANDPA UNICORN????? And Tsutarja is sooo the cool one

Joe.
10th November 2010, 10:08 AM
I can't see the article!!!Everytime I click it says operation abortedT__T

Can someone copy what is says in word or something?I really wanna read it

Here:

When Ken Sugimori first started Game Freak in the early '80s, it was nothing but a video-game fanzine he co-created with his pal Satoshi Tajiri. Now he's the main 2D art director on the Pokemon series, and Tajiri is famous worldwide as the man that not only gave Nintendo a billion-dollar franchise, but almost singlehandedly saved the Game Boy from irrelevancy at one point.
One would think, therefore, that the monster design process for Pokemon Black and White was a regimental, heavily overseen affair. Not so. "There's about 17 people in our design team, and generally what happens is they each draw their own Pokemon and then they get discussed over group meetings," he told Famitsu magazine this week. "We didn't have a very long development cycle with this game, so I had a lot of one-on-one time with each designer."

"There's no particular number that each designer needs to create," added Takao Unno, Pokemon's 3D art director. "But they come up with far, far more designs than actually get included in the game."

Sugimori's main design task for Black and White was Reshiram and Zekrom, the two legendary Pokemon that appear on the box art for each game. "Those were the main ones," he said. "We had previously decided they would be black and white dragons, and that they'd be Fire and Electric type. I wanted to have a pretty stark contrast between the two, so Reshiram was given a light, airy, ladylike design while Zekrom has a much tougher and manly look. The tails on both Pokemon are the central points of their respective designs -- they're based off of those electric turbines you see, and they give the impression that they're these great big generators of fire or electric energy."

The designs for the three starter Pokemon in Black and White, meanwhile, were handled by younger staff at Game Freak. Pokabu, the Fire-type pig shown above, was conceived by Korean graphic designer Lee Hyun-Jung, who's mostly handled art for the Pokemon Trading Card Game up to now. "The original idea with Pokabu was to have a Pokemon that figuratively looked 'cute enough to eat' at the start, but would eventually evolve to the point where it'd wind up eating you instead," Lee told Famitsu. "Also, I read somewhere once that pigs wallow in mud because otherwise they have trouble regulating their body temperature, so I thought it'd be amusing if it shot fire out of its snout to do that instead."

A lot of thought goes into the starter Pokemon and their respective roles, as you'd expect. "Out of the first three Pokemon, we eventually decided that Tsutaja [the Grass type] would be the 'cool' one and Mijumaru [the Water type] would be the 'cute' one," Lee said. "Pokabu wound up being more of the 'sidekick' sort -- clumsy but lovable. He gradually evolves and matures into something a lot more reliable as you play, so it makes the effort to raise him seem pretty worth it, I think."

As for Mijumaru and his evolutions, designer Yusuke Ohmura decided to make him the 'den mother' figure looking over the other two starters. "Janobii and Chaoboo [Tsutaja and Pokabu's first evolutions, respectively] were already done up by the time I worked on Mijumaru's evolutions, so I envisioned something that could get in between those two and stop them whenever they got in a fight," he said. "For Daikenki [Mijumaru's final evolution], I decided that a full-on change in shape would be the best. I caught a trained-seal show at the Sunshine International Aquarium in Ikebukuro around that time, and it really impressed me how strong those seals were -- they just seemed so powerful, especially the sound they made when they stamped on the ground. I worked that into the design, and Daikenki was the result."

When asked what the hardest part of Black/White development was, Unno and Sugimori being up the sheer amount of work animating each Pokemon proved to be. "A lot of people think that our graphic designers do nothing but the basic Pokemon portraits," Unno said, "but they're also responsible for the in-game pixel art and 3D sequences. Since we have the Pokemon constantly moving during battle, we had to decide how each one would act when executing this or that move, or what they should look like when they were put to sleep or whatever. It was a lot more work than I ever imagined it'd be."

"Since you can bring in your old Pokemon after finishing the story, we also had to add new animation to all of the Pokemon in the book," Sugimori added. "It was just a massive quantity of work, and I really respect everyone on the team for plowing through it."

LexSuicune
10th November 2010, 5:57 PM
Thanks for posting the interview Joe!

Lorde
10th November 2010, 6:02 PM
Odd, I never thought of Pokabu as a 'sidekick' pokemon.

Well, there was already the "cool" Starter Pokemon (Tsutarja) and the "cute" Starter Pokemon (Mujumaru) so they had to put Pokabu somewhere I guess. The "sidekick" Pokemon category seems to fit. Pokabu is a lot like a sidekick since it doesn't have many defining characteristics and it just sort of hangs around in the back. It doesn't have much going for it either since it's just another pig-based Pokemon. It's just sort of there to fill space almost. That's how I see Pokabu myself. There's one in every regional Starter trio.

MetalFlygon08
10th November 2010, 6:33 PM
But, it's just another pig-based pokemon who will eat you once you get it to level 36.

R_N
10th November 2010, 6:41 PM
It doesn't have much going for it either since it's just another pig-based Pokemon.

seriously?
This is your logic?

There has been exactly one (1) other Pig line: Spoink's line.

Compared to the three other snake lines.

edit: I mean unless you really want to count the Swinub line. In which case there are two pig lines.

MetalFlygon08
10th November 2010, 6:42 PM
Manky and Primape will kill you!

Their mothers were half-pig!

natie
10th November 2010, 6:44 PM
I take it Hyunjung is Chinese, then?
Well that explains why he got Pokabu, then.Whenever you see a hyun or a jung, you can be sure it's a Korean person.

(Korea uses lots of u's, seemingly.)

R_N
10th November 2010, 6:45 PM
My bad, I forgot about the Swinub line being pigs

So.....two pig lines.

And a pig-monkey.
You never really realize how silly some designs are until you look at their species

^^Yoshinichi^^
11th November 2010, 3:31 AM
My bad, I forgot about the Swinub line being pigs

So.....two pig lines.

And a pig-monkey.
You never really realize how silly some designs are until you look at their species

Yup. Spoink-Grumpig, Pokabu's family, Mankey-Primeape, Swinub's family.

I always considered the "pig" part of Mankey to just be a clever pun on "pyg"my marmoset, to be honest.

Royalty
11th November 2010, 4:15 PM
Yeah, with all the other pig inspired Pokemon, that's one of the reasons why I was bummed that we got another line as a fire starter.

Shoulda been a scorpion.
*!STAY CALM PEOPLE!*
I'm just saying that cause I saw an amazing fakemon at the same time I first saw the starters.

Royalty
11th November 2010, 4:16 PM
Yeah, with all the other pig inspired Pokemon, that's one of the reasons why I was bummed that we got another line as a fire starter.

Shoulda been a scorpion.
*!STAY CALM PEOPLE!*
I'm just saying that cause I saw an amazing fakemon at the same time I first saw the starters.

Lorde
11th November 2010, 6:00 PM
Oh the new Pokemon artwork looks so totally faaaabulous. It took me a while to look at all of it but I'm pleased with what I saw. I finally got to see that monster Gamagaru's artwork and it looks even uglier in that style than in it's B/W sprite. I think I liked Gamageroge's artwork a whole lot more since it looks like a tough Pokemon. I might even want one on my team in Black next year. Archeos looked really amazing though, probably the best Pokemon that we've gotten artwork for in this update. It makes me want one but I already decided to get the Shell Fossil instead of the Wing Fossil. Too bad. Abagoura on the other hand, looks more and more like an aged Blastoise to me haha.

redroses
11th November 2010, 6:10 PM
Did I miss something?
Where can the new artwork be viewed? o_o

Lorde
11th November 2010, 6:12 PM
Did I miss something?
Where can the new artwork be viewed? o_o

Serebii posted the links for the new artwork on another thread. Here's the links to the artwork for the new Pokemon:

http://viploader.net/ippan/src/vlippan166748.jpg
http://viploader.net/ippan/src/vlippan166742.jpg
http://viploader.net/ippan/src/vlippan166740.jpg

redroses
11th November 2010, 6:16 PM
Ah, thank you much for the links!

Loving the new artwork!

Aurath8
11th November 2010, 6:51 PM
I like Muurando's artwork a lot. It's very dynamic and the sprite, DW artwork and Sugomori artwork all have unique poses, unlike the seemingly rigid Daikenki.
Gamageroge looks so powerful and serious, me likey. Gamagaru is like a marshmellow with Otamaru's face stuck on, and turned evil. Win.
Shinpora - This leads me to think it's related to unown. It appears to have I-unown on it's head for example, it's a standalone pokemon and is only found in the ancient castle, which according to anime has a strong magnetic field. Hmm.
Hitomoshi is as cute as ever. just look at it's innocent-looking face. Aaaw.
Koaruhie - Everybody's a Honchkrow, innit.

Ophie
12th November 2010, 11:58 AM
Well, looks like we got bigger pictures of Elfoon and Doredia. They look a bit different for their Black/White sprites, it seems. But now I got a good idea of what they look like in 3-D, which the sprite wasn't too good with.

This is also our first decently-sized picture of Vanipeti. I'm glad to know what its details are and that, indeed, it has a grid pattern on the bottom, like what a cake cone should have. Kind of reminds me of a Chao from Sonic.

Abagoura's shell, as I had surmised from the sprite, is meant to look like a spy backpack, much like what Solid Snake wears. Take a good look. The "backpack straps" contain lumps that would resemble little compartments to put stuff in.

Sponge
12th November 2010, 1:15 PM
It's nice to see some pokemon more clearly like Vanipeti and Yabukuron.

I think the trashbag Yabukuron looks pretty cool actually...and Vanipeti is really cute. The jury is still out on Gamagaru though....it still looks like a dope. (Luckily Gamagaru is really the only pokemon I dislike this gen)

I really like Gochimiru's sugi art...and I'm happy to see Shinpora's art too. I think it's similarity to unown is probably a coincidence, it's "unown" eye is blue whereas actual unown have black eyes.

Sabonea_Masukippa
12th November 2010, 1:49 PM
Teeheehee. Love the Muurando & Gochimiru artwork. Other than that Tesseed and Koaruhie are the only ones who look very different compared to the sprites, but I still love them :p

Also, by my reckoning here's the Mon with the missing Sugimori art (in any form):
Dustdas
Vaniricchi
Baivanilla
Morobareru
Burunguru
Nattorei
Gigearu
Gigigearu
Shibibiru
Shibirudon
Rigray
Orbem
Lamplar
Chandelar
Tsunbear
Freezio
Maggyo
Kojofuu
Kojondo
Gobitto
Goluug
Komatana
Kirikizan
Washibon
Vulchai
Vultina
Kuitaran
Irant
Monozu
Jihead
Sazandra
Melarva
Ulgamoth
Cobalon
Terracion
Verizion
Torneros
Voltoros
Landros
Kyurem
And the 3 events that we won't see for years.

So, ~43 left to go :)

Serebii
12th November 2010, 1:54 PM
8 days til the guidebook is out with art of those Pok&#233;mon

LexSuicune
12th November 2010, 4:33 PM
Yay! Finally all the Sugimori artwork will be released!

Lorde
12th November 2010, 4:56 PM
I think this may be the biggest update of Ken Sugimori artwork we've gotten in a while. I just saw the first page and Murando's artwork sure makes it look cool. In the games, it looks fat and slow but it's official artwork makes it look fast and agile. Pendoraa looks somewhat bored as if it has other things it wants to do haha. Gochimiru looks more like Gochiruzeru than Gothimu did and I'm loving the gothic design on these Pokemon more and more. Daburan looks like something I could hug, though I'd be worried about making it pop. On the other page, I noticed that Chobomaki and Kaburumo finally have artwork, despite those Trade for Evolution posters having their silouettes for over a month now. I thought we would have gotten their artwork a while ago.

RitterCat
12th November 2010, 10:04 PM
The artwork has made me dislike Gamagaru more. It's sprite did not display it's full dopiness, but now we have it. Ew. Oddly, I like its pre-evo's art much more than it. I LOVE Otamaru's expression!

Slowemperor
12th November 2010, 10:53 PM
I have recently began to prefer Dream World Artwork over Sugimori's. Why? Although Sugimori is prettier, DW is more dinamic. Muurando and others got dinamic art, but most just look like extremely-higher-quality sprites. Dream World artwork has made me take a completly new look at some pok&#233;mon, including older ones. Also, it's bolder colours gave it a somewhat light yet bright look without looking too childish. Some of the pok&#233;mon I still (somewhat) dislike in this Gen haven't got their DW art yet to redeemed them, like Oobemu or Archeos (I really don't like this fossil. Too colourful and his head doesn't look right).

Ophie
12th November 2010, 11:40 PM
You should check out the card game then. They have some very dynamic illustrations there.

R_N
13th November 2010, 12:02 AM
I'd say it's more accurate to say that the sprites are just lower res versions of the art.

The art comes first, then they make the sprites.

Slowemperor
13th November 2010, 7:06 PM
You should check out the card game then. They have some very dynamic illustrations there.

I collected cards till platinum. Actually they are one more reason I dislike Sugimori (his cards are just lazy...). I really loved some illustrations, other not so much. The difference is the background. DW/Sugimori are blank behind, they are easier to make team "collages" and such... But I really love the dinamism in some illustrations, can't wait to see Gen V in them.

Lorde
13th November 2010, 7:18 PM
You know, I didn't used to understand why so many people were in love with Waruvial until I saw it's official artwork. I think I'm starting to like it's design. I liked Meguroco a lot once I saw it but I wasn't too happy with it's evolved forms until now. I find it interesting that Waruvile's color scheme changes to red upon evolving into Waruvial. I think Zuruzukin looks pretty fab now that it's artwork has been released, though it's still not as cute or as funny as Zuruggu. Roobushin also looks cooler now and I'm glad I evolved my Dotekkotsu into Roobushin the other day since I can add it to my White team now. I think it might be one of my favorite Fighting-type Pokemon.

R_N
13th November 2010, 7:24 PM
I still say that Sugimori doesn't actually, like, do his own cards. They probably just grab his art, making a wooshy swirly background, and put the two together in the case they need to fluff out the set.

I wish there was a nice, organized table showing what cards what person makes in what set...but even just glancing at the unorganized category on bulbapedia shows that he does a lot more cards. Which is why I say that they just use his art as padding.

Ophie
13th November 2010, 9:12 PM
The whooshy swirly backgrounds are largely a thing of the past. The backgrounds are now either photographs or CGI landscapes. (Or if it's a bird Pok&#233;mon, the sky.)

I'd agree that Ken Sugimori's artwork is mostly padding. The EX Power Keepers set, which wasn't released in Japan, is perhaps half Sugimori.

There was a discussion on Pok&#233;beach about people's favorite illustrators, and Sugimori won in a landslide. I was a bit frustrated seeing that, though perhaps most of the posters were not familiar with any of the others so they just blurted out Sugimori.

Sugimori sometimes does original artwork though, such as Professor Oak's Visit. Kouki Saitou and Kakano Eo seems to do a majority of the Supporter cards that used to be Sugimori's domain though.

LexSuicune
13th November 2010, 9:36 PM
I'm absolutely in love with Doreida's design, it's very femenine, but has a defined aesthetic to it, very endearing.

bippacooleth
13th November 2010, 9:39 PM
I've just realised, Kurumayu evolves into Hahakomori by happiness, and when it evolves, its frowning face turns into a smiley face :D
Pretty cool little extra detail, I thought

R_N
13th November 2010, 9:40 PM
The whooshy swirly backgrounds are largely a thing of the past. The backgrounds are now either photographs or CGI landscapes. (Or if it's a bird Pokémon, the sky.)

I'd agree that Ken Sugimori's artwork is mostly padding. The EX Power Keepers set, which wasn't released in Japan, is perhaps half Sugimori.

There was a discussion on Pokébeach about people's favorite illustrators, and Sugimori won in a landslide. I was a bit frustrated seeing that, though perhaps most of the posters were not familiar with any of the others so they just blurted out Sugimori.

Sugimori sometimes does original artwork though, such as Professor Oak's Visit. Kouki Saitou and Kakano Eo seems to do a majority of the Supporter cards that used to be Sugimori's domain though.

I don't blame them for only knowing Sugimori. Even ignoring the fact that he's "done" almost 750 cards, his artwork is very recognizable and used in most promotional material.

Meanwhile most other illustrators only do a handful of cards, and they're names aren't as recognizable like Sugimori's as you said.

Lorde
13th November 2010, 9:44 PM
I've just realised, Kurumayu evolves into Hahakomori by happiness, and when it evolves, its frowning face turns into a smiley face :D
Pretty cool little extra detail, I thought

I noticed that. Kurumiru looks to have a neutral facial expression, then Kurumayu has a sad facial expression, then Hahakomori has a really happy facial expression. It's a nice little quirk that they all share; varying facial expressions. I wonder why Hoiiga doesn't evolve by Happiness though. Since the Fushide line is practically the counterpart to the Kurumiru line, I thought maybe Hoiiga would need to have a certain amount of Happiness to evolve into Pendra, but it doesn't, it just needs to level up.

Sabonea_Masukippa
13th November 2010, 11:47 PM
I noticed that. Kurumiru looks to have a neutral facial expression, then Kurumayu has a sad facial expression, then Hahakomori has a really happy facial expression. It's a nice little quirk that they all share; varying facial expressions. I wonder why Hoiiga doesn't evolve by Happiness though. Since the Fushide line is practically the counterpart to the Kurumiru line, I thought maybe Hoiiga would need to have a certain amount of Happiness to evolve into Pendra, but it doesn't, it just needs to level up.

I noticed that too; but then I realized they're not strictly counter-parts in the Weedle/Caterpie sense since:
1. Fushide is much less common than Kurumiru in both games
2. They don't evolve into the 1st form at the same level
3. If I'm not mistaken, Pendoraa and Hahakomori have different BST's too. (475 vs. 490)

pikachu500
14th November 2010, 12:12 AM
I have a question, how do you all think Desukaan gets around?
Does it float? does it walk with the lower pair of hands? Maybe it walks with all four?

The Phoenix Lodge
14th November 2010, 12:31 AM
Who's to say it doesn't just hop around. (seeing it trip would be funny if was though)

Aurath8
14th November 2010, 12:35 AM
I think Desukan floats. The hands appear to be a vague formation of the pokemon's spirit so it won't be able to walk with them well. And their hands of course.
So the only ghost to currently walk is Gorrugo, assuming is doesn't Fly because of the amount of energy it needs.

pikachu500
14th November 2010, 12:40 AM
Desukan seems a bit big to float. Maybe the pokemon's spirit can make vague formation of legs? hop, um maybe....

R_N
14th November 2010, 12:57 AM
Desukan seems a bit big to float. Maybe the pokemon's spirit can make vague formation of legs? hop, um maybe....

He hops in his animation

And if Spiritomb can float around I'm sure Desukan can too

RitterCat
14th November 2010, 1:39 AM
Wait until Deskhan appears in Best Wishes. Then we'll know for sure. Personally, I think it floats, but I'm waiting for the anime

^^Yoshinichi^^
14th November 2010, 4:06 AM
He hops in his animation

And if Spiritomb can float around I'm sure Desukan can too
Desukan's definitely a floater. I mean, just look at Desumasu. ;P I'm sure they can float as much as any other Ghost type.

Speaking of which, the man who designed the Vanipeti line redeemed himself for me by designing the flying golems.

R_N
14th November 2010, 6:52 AM
Desukan's definitely a floater. I mean, just look at Desumasu. ;P I'm sure they can float as much as any other Ghost type.

Speaking of which, the man who designed the Vanipeti line redeemed himself for me by designing the flying golems.

I still don't see what is so horrible about the vanipetis

They're adorable happy icicles that look like ice cream
that's awesome

^^Yoshinichi^^
14th November 2010, 6:57 AM
I still don't see what is so horrible about the vanipetis

They're adorable happy icicles that look like ice cream
that's awesome

Vanipeti is cute. It's the derp drool that gets me.

King Shuckle
14th November 2010, 8:11 AM
The links appear to not work anymore (atleast not for me). Are there alternate links?

Lorde
14th November 2010, 8:37 AM
The links appear to not work anymore (atleast not for me). Are there alternate links?

You mean the links to the scans featuring new Pokemon artwork? They can be found here (http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/dec_coro1.jpg), here (http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/dec_coro2.jpg), and here (http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/dec_coro3.jpg). I guess the old links stopped working. I would have updated them sooner had I known people wanted to see the new artwork. I guess I assumed most already had :x

LexSuicune
14th November 2010, 5:48 PM
Thanks for the links Kira!

^^Yoshinichi^^
15th November 2010, 3:59 AM
I can't wait until Furiijio gets Sugimori artwork. Man, its design is really growing on me. I think I just couldn't tell what was going on at first when we just had blurry screenshots of the Pokemon.

[aka]
15th November 2010, 4:19 AM
I can't wait until Furiijio gets Sugimori artwork. Man, its design is really growing on me. I think I just couldn't tell what was going on at first when we just had blurry screenshots of the Pokemon.
Freezio has an awesome design. :D
I'm just kinda confused by his... mustache/arms. O.o

R_N
15th November 2010, 4:21 AM
The only thing that irks me about Furijiro is that it screams "I have second type!" and then has no second type.

Ghost, steel, something

BCVM22
15th November 2010, 4:26 AM
Looks more to me like it screams frozen chunks of pain and anger.

http://serebii.net/blackwhite/pokemon/615.png

I mean, seriously.

[aka]
15th November 2010, 4:46 AM
To me...it screams frozen chunks of pain and anger.
That sounds exactly like the description of an Ice/Dark or Ice/Ghost-type Pokémon.
Perhaps they didn't give him either of those because they already introduced one of each of those types last Gen. Who knows...

R_N
15th November 2010, 4:47 AM
See they could have easily incorporated ghostly behavior into it

moonlightning
15th November 2010, 8:06 AM
I'm pretty disappointed with the musketeers with the exception of Birjion. Ah Brijion. strong, cunning, fast, ravishing, hug it when sleeping...

Sabonea_Masukippa
15th November 2010, 8:58 AM
The only thing that irks me about Furijiro is that it screams "I have second type!" and then has no second type.

Ghost, steel, something

Along with Tabunne, Freezio is one of a few Isshu mon's I am fairly sure will be getting a cross-gen evo next gen - hopefully with a secondary type for Freezio included.