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BCVM22
13th February 2011, 9:52 PM
Your group of friends is in no way representative of anything as a whole.

UnovaSwampert
13th February 2011, 9:53 PM
Your group of friends is in no way representative of anything as a whole.

Okay.

/zekrom10char

Tyrannotaur
13th February 2011, 9:58 PM
I agree. i just can't choose! Now, with R/B, it was easy. Squirtle was just too awesome. G/S: Obviously Cydaquil. R/S: Mudkip. Dur. D/P: Piplup. Who chose Turtwig? Really?

with this, all of them are awesome.
I choose Turtwig 75% of the time actually. Also Treecko wins my heart far more often then Mudkip. Charmander too exudes far more awesome than Squirtle. And Totodile is the king of the second gen starters, clearly. :p


Really though its all a matter of personal opinion when it comes down to starters. As for being unable to choose one, Maybe roll a die three times and whoever gets the highest number wins?



Except... people actually want to, and can, use Skarmory. From what I understand, Druddigon is so slow that anyone that is prepared to take out a Dragon-type can do so without Druddigon doing much damage in the process. Skarmory, on the other hand, is widely-used by metagamers (or was widely-used, at least--I have no clue if it'll be used often in the 5th Gen metagame).

Yes. But that is why I added this wonderful sentence.


By that I mean he is a single stage pokemon and is found later in the game and is near the end of the regional dex.

And Yes by that Logic he can also be the Pinsir of Dragons, which is probably more accurate. Didn't mean to offend the honor of Air Commander Skarmory. yes thats a Starscream reference cause I always name my Skarmory that..

-;248;

The Eleventh
13th February 2011, 10:55 PM
Link (http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/BW_Mall_Tour_plagued_with_hacked_distribution) Haha! Just like the Gengar event! ;D

Hejiru
13th February 2011, 10:58 PM
Link (http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/BW_Mall_Tour_plagued_with_hacked_distribution) Haha! Just like the Gengar event! ;D

WTF... They gave it BlackGlasses and didn't teach it any Dark moves? And anybody should have known that thing is hacked. A shiny Spiritomb with Wonder Guard and Focus Punch? Come on.

Missingno.Fan
13th February 2011, 11:03 PM
Link (http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/BW_Mall_Tour_plagued_with_hacked_distribution) Haha! Just like the Gengar event! ;D
Wha??? Yeah, like anyone is going to actually release it.

Aqua Ring
13th February 2011, 11:16 PM
Y'know what Pokemon's grown on me a lot?

Druddigon/Crimgan.

I thought he had an extremely awkward and colour-clashing design, and then I realized that was the point. He's meant to be ugly since he's a gargoyle. Now I embrace his ugliness.

Anyone else have any Fifth Gen Pokemon that grew on them?

Some of the pokemon that I ended up liking a lot more than I initially did are Samurott, Stoutland, Excadrill, Conkeldurr, Swanna, Sawsbuck, Bouffalant, Braviary, and a lot more. All of them pretty much grew on me.

In all the games, I replace a lot of my team members with new pokemon that I can catch with the National pokedex.

But in this gen, I can see myself keeping a lot of them in my team even after getting the National pokedex.

ViperQueen
13th February 2011, 11:17 PM
All of the pokemon grew on me now, even Stunfish

Sakrey
13th February 2011, 11:29 PM
please say it is all scanned because I must see all of this

Unfortunately, not all of them have been scanned and they are still in raw :<
However a good amount are scanned. If you want to see them follow here (http://img156.imageshack.us/g/4komazuruzukin.jpg/) (courtesy of Sunyshore.com).

Dracoste
13th February 2011, 11:33 PM
Link (http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/BW_Mall_Tour_plagued_with_hacked_distribution) Haha! Just like the Gengar event! ;D

Hopefully that Spiritomb isn't racist.

Anyway, the pokémon that grew on to me the most were probably the genies(or whatever how you caal them), I didn't liked that their stationary pose were the same, but then someone told me they moved differently, so then it didn't mattered anymore they had the same stationary pose.

Unfortunately, not all of them have been scanned and they are still in raw :<
However a good amount are scanned. If you want to see them follow here (http://img156.imageshack.us/g/4komazuruzukin.jpg/) (courtesy of Sunnyshore.com).
wow awesome, shame I can't read japanes and so don't get most jokes. I think I might understand some if I look at their poses, like with that Zorua, he is probably saying "wow , what is that" or something else to distract Oshawott.
Those first two pictures of Bisharp's are just...plain wrong. However in the last ones he kinda looks like a teacher of a kindergarden.

Ememew
13th February 2011, 11:49 PM
The only gen V Pokemon I didn't like is the only one I still don't like: Garbodor. Maybe I'll find some redeemable qualities after I actually get the games, but as of now it's just not my kind of Pokemon.

That said, some have grown on me, meaning I like them now as opposed to having no opinion one way or the other before (the elemonkeys, Cubchoo, Trubbish - I like Trubbish, just not it's evolved form).

And I'm definitely going to have to use the "ice-cream" line. It reminds me of one of my first fakemon (I called it "Icescream," it was Ice/Ghost . . . Yeah, I was really inventive when I was 11 . . .). Too bad the real ice cream Pokemon doesn't get any Ghost moves beyond Astonish . . .

SasakiThePikachu
13th February 2011, 11:52 PM
I had no idea that Crimgan was based on a gargoyle! Argh, I want one now. I have a fetish (okay, maybe too strong a word) for things that are dark and creepy and gothic. Like the original poster, I also thought Crimgan was just an awkward, wierdly colour-coded...thing. I so totally want one now.

Can I just say about this 'Serperior is based on on the biblical snake thing'; I see both sides of the argument. No, Serperior clearly isn't directly based off the biblical snake from the garden of Eden (I honestly couldn't imagine GF ever being that overtly religious), but at the same time, wouldn't it be a fair statement that the association of snakes as being evil, which is inarguably biblical in origin, is a universal and inescapable implication, and therefore Serperior, simply by being designed in the form of a snake, does have a reference to it, albeit in a very removed and loose way?

Saying it's based off the biblical snake because it 'has red eyes' is downright dumb, however. Sorry, but true. LOADS of pokemon have red eyes. Not all of them are Satan incarnate.

@ Dracoste - Haha! I'm thinking of adding the 3 simis and their musical influences to my sig to keep from repeating myself over and over. And over.

GaZsTiC
14th February 2011, 12:10 AM
Link (http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/BW_Mall_Tour_plagued_with_hacked_distribution) Haha! Just like the Gengar event! ;D

Spiritomb with Wonder Guard! Freaking genius!!

Sabonea_Masukippa
14th February 2011, 12:20 AM
Aww, those comics are so cute. Scrafty's one involves them proclaiming UNfexant as their leader because of its big crest.

Also, with Emboar/Samurott's typing; Oshawott was always intended to evolve into a samurai/warrior, they just didn't couldn't find the right design for a long time, meaning that Samurott was the last starter to be designed - possibly, even if they'd wanted to make it a fighting type, it would have been too late because Emboar was already locked/in production.

Besides, 'sword-fighting,' 'samurai,' and 'ninja,' do not seem to be things that GF associates with the Fighting-type at all (rather, most, if not all, Fighting types are based on martial arts, wrestling or some sort of hand to hand combat). So, I'd say, even if Emboar hadn't been designed and locked first, that Samurott's chances of being a Fighting-type were slim to none from the start.

Poke_Mania97
14th February 2011, 12:21 AM
I had no idea that Crimgan was based on a gargoyle! Argh, I want one now. I have a fetish (okay, maybe too strong a word) for things that are dark and creepy and gothic. Like the original poster, I also thought Crimgan was just an awkward, wierdly colour-coded...thing. I so totally want one now.

Can I just say about this 'Serperior is based on on the biblical snake thing'; I see both sides of the argument. No, Serperior clearly isn't directly based off the biblical snake from the garden of Eden (I honestly couldn't imagine GF ever being that overtly religious), but at the same time, wouldn't it be a fair statement that the association of snakes as being evil, which is inarguably biblical in origin, is a universal and inescapable implication, and therefore Serperior, simply by being designed in the form of a snake, does have a reference to it, albeit in a very removed and loose way?

Saying it's based off the biblical snake because it 'has red eyes' is downright dumb, however. Sorry, but true. LOADS of pokemon have red eyes. Not all of them are Satan incarnate.

@ Dracoste - Haha! I'm thinking of adding the 3 simis and their musical influences to my sig to keep from repeating myself over and over. And over.

im starting to regret the part when i said red eyes. i agree it is completely stupid and i wasnt thinking!

CaptainBrain
14th February 2011, 12:39 AM
@ Dracoste - Haha! I'm thinking of adding the 3 simis and their musical influences to my sig to keep from repeating myself over and over. And over.

I support this idea for a couple reasons. One, because it would keep you from repeating yourself over and over. Two, because I keep forgetting what the fire monkey's influence is.

Grei
14th February 2011, 1:05 AM
Unfortunately, not all of them have been scanned and they are still in raw :<
However a good amount are scanned. If you want to see them follow here (http://img156.imageshack.us/g/4komazuruzukin.jpg/) (courtesy of Sunnyshore.com).

These ones I found particularly interesting...
http://img13.imageshack.us/f/4komagoruugu.jpg/ (Now we know how Golurk flies.)

http://img706.imageshack.us/f/4komabanipucchi.jpg/ (So that's what Vanillite looks like without the ice-cream...)

http://img26.imageshack.us/i/4komasazandora.jpg/ (I thought the hands were only puppets? Unless that's comical and not actually meaning the hands are real heads...?)

I like these. I hope the rest are uploaded eventually.

Sabonea_Masukippa
14th February 2011, 1:23 AM
These ones I found particularly interesting...
http://img13.imageshack.us/f/4komagoruugu.jpg/ (Now we know how Golurk flies.)

Haha, the comic says you have to pull the seal off of its chest for it to release its power, but the joke is that it panicked and flew off ('released its power') before Golett got the chance to peel it off.


http://img706.imageshack.us/f/4komabanipucchi.jpg/ (So that's what Vanillite looks like without the ice-cream...)

But it's based on an icecream how come there's ice under there!! How am I supposed to make irrational complaints about the line if they keep doing this!?!?!


http://img26.imageshack.us/i/4komasazandora.jpg/ (I thought the hands were only puppets? Unless that's comical and not actually meaning the hands are real heads...?)

It says that the hands don't have brains, so they had no ill-intentions. Interpret that any way you'd like.

EDIT: Nightmare fuel, anyone? http://img222.imageshack.us/f/4komamaggyo.jpg/

Grei
14th February 2011, 1:53 AM
Haha, the comic says you have to pull the seal off of its chest for it to release its power, but the joke is that it panicked and flew off ('released its power') before Golett got the chance to peel it off.

Heheh. I never knew that about Golurk.
I like these comics. They're revealing little things about the Pokemon that make them seem more real.


But it's based on an icecream how come there's ice under there!! How am I supposed to make irrational complaints about the line if they keep doing this!?!?!

I bet they did this specifically to distill those reactions. :p


It says that the hands don't have brains, so they had no ill-intentions. Interpret that any way you'd like.

Oh... well, that makes more sense. And that totally sucks for Hydreigon.

Ace of Shades
14th February 2011, 2:06 AM
Is the guidebook these pics are coming from the official one?

Sabonea_Masukippa
14th February 2011, 2:07 AM
^ It is an official one, yes.

Ace of Shades
14th February 2011, 2:13 AM
Would I be correct if I said it was the Prima guidebook and will most likely be released in the U.S.?

R_N
14th February 2011, 2:18 AM
Unfortunately, not all of them have been scanned and they are still in raw :<
However a good amount are scanned. If you want to see them follow here (http://img156.imageshack.us/g/4komazuruzukin.jpg/) (courtesy of Sunnyshore.com).

:DDDDDDD

These are great. Always love seeing little comics like these, and its interesting to see them in "motion" and in different poses.
A shame these will never come to America, but hopefully some nice scanlators out there will be nice~

Adeku
14th February 2011, 2:20 AM
Those comics are great! I wish I had the guidebook that they were in!

R_N
14th February 2011, 2:35 AM
http://img155.imageshack.us/i/4komavirizion.jpg/
Ah, so that's how Virizion uses its horn. Seems the whole top piece is razor sharp.
http://img706.imageshack.us/i/4komabanipucchi.jpg/
I never thought that Vanilite (and its evolutions) had anything beneath the snow; I thought it was part of the ice below, not a covering. Looks like the monkeys were trying to stay cold and Pansear heated up the snow?
http://img13.imageshack.us/i/4komagoruugu.jpg/
Power limiters, huh? And I never expected the bottoms of his torso and arms to retract during take off.

GalladeX
14th February 2011, 2:36 AM
Unfortunately, not all of them have been scanned and they are still in raw :<
However a good amount are scanned. If you want to see them follow here (http://img156.imageshack.us/g/4komazuruzukin.jpg/) (courtesy of Sunnyshore.com).

Haha, I love these!

Sewaddle's is one of my favourite, making Chlorophyll so humorous.
Then again, Sewaddle's my favourite Pokemon, so it's no surprise. :P

And the Simipour one just made me lol because of how weird it is.
Virizion looks cute all flustered.

I wish they were translated. >:

Does anyone know who draws these comics? It doesn't really look like Ken Sugimori's style.

R_N
14th February 2011, 2:40 AM
http://img834.imageshack.us/i/4komamuurando.jpg/
Aww, Stoutland seems to be helping the team of Pokemon?
http://img80.imageshack.us/i/4komakyuremu.jpg/
Poor Kyurem
http://img248.imageshack.us/i/4komakirikizan.jpg/
The downside to being made completely out of knives

Disgruntled Goat
14th February 2011, 2:47 AM
And I love Vanilluxe and his preevolutions. I really don't see what you guys don't like. That he is based on something non living. Over a quarter of all pokemon are based on non-living stuff, so get over it.

Here's the thing with Vanilluxe. There are lots of Pokemon based on inanimate objects, but they all have a creative element to them. They have personality. Sure Chandelure is based on a chandelier, but it's a valid ghost Pokemon in it's own right.

Vanilluxe is literally an ice cream cone with eyes, nothing more.


Sceptile should've been Grass/Dragon but it would've been too much of an advantage.

Actually as soon as the starters were revealed I was sure that the final evos were all going to be part-dragon type. You can definitely see it with Serperior and Samurott. Emboar not so much, but a final form on all fours like tepig wouldn't be out of the question.

That would have completely sold Black/White for me. Although the games are good, there isn't enough new for my liking - especially after the hype from GF/Ninty that BW would "completely reinvent the series". They've done nothing of the sort.

R_N
14th February 2011, 2:59 AM
Here's the thing with Vanilluxe. There are lots of Pokemon based on inanimate objects, but they all have a creative element to them. They have personality. Sure Chandelure is based on a chandelier, but it's a valid ghost Pokemon in it's own right.

Vanilluxe is literally an ice cream cone with eyes, nothing more.


I fail to see how an icicle covered in snow given life is not as valid as a haunted chandelier

Sabonea_Masukippa
14th February 2011, 2:59 AM
Vanilluxe is literally an ice cream cone with eyes, nothing more.

You seem to be mistaking the word 'literally' for something else.

Vaniluxe and co. are all literally icicles with eyes that are covered in snow, in a way that resembles an ice-cream cone. Nothing less.

BCVM22
14th February 2011, 3:04 AM
Vanilluxe is literally an ice cream cone with eyes, nothing more.

And here's the thing with that: why is this a problem?

Voltorb and Electrode are literally Poké Balls with eyes, nothing more.

Pineco is literally a pine cone with eyes, nothing more.

Nosepass is literally a Moai statue, almost completely unchanged, nothing more.

And despite the fact that you hold Chandelure to a different standard, it too is literally a chandelier with eyes and only a little bit of anthropomorphism, nothing more.

To claim Vanilluxe and its line to be some sort of aberration, some sort of affront to a distinguished standard of design is a personal bias. Nothing more.


there isn't enough new for my liking - especially after the hype from GF/Ninty that BW would "completely reinvent the series". They've done nothing of the sort.

There was never any "hype" of that sort. It was one throwaway line that went through lord knows however many ringers of translation and came out in English as "you will ask 'is this Pokémon?'!" And much as they are doing now with this equally vague statement about "no new games for now", parts of the fandom chose to take it, misinterpret it terribly and run with it, allowing it to skew their expectations of Black and White unrealistically and illogically.

I will say it until I no longer have to say it: Pokémon games are evolutionary far more than they are revolutionary, and the only way to really be disappointed by a Pokémon core title is to have your expectations be unrealistic in the first place.

StarlightMew
14th February 2011, 3:52 AM
I think the creators were very creative with this generation! There are some cool type combinations.

The pokemon based on inanimate objects are interesting but kind of freak me out! The Vanillite and Klink line is really strange. Cofagrigus gives me nightmares. I'm somewhat ok with the Litwick line. I've always liked the pokemon based on animals more, particularily fish, reptile and canine ones.

I'm not too happy with the starters expect for Snivey. Serperior is awesome and EPIC!! Pokemon needs more snakes! Tepig is cute but its evos are horrible, perhaps i'll warm up to them in time. But why is there fire and fighting again!? I'm really not sure about the Oshawatt line yet... The final evo, Samurott looks nothing like it's predecessors.

The bugs are sweet!! I'm glad they developed some bugs with interesting type combinations. I'm excited about Galvantula in particular.

Other ones I like:
- Eelektross, however shouldn't it be part water type? Anyway I like fishes so it doesn't matter
- Zorua and Zoroark
- Sandile
- Drillbur
- Zebstrika
- Liepard
- Emolga, there is always a cute electric rodent :). and his flying/electric typings means he's not doomed to ground types.
- Reuniclus, really interesting design.

Ones I don't like:

- Pretty much all the fighting types! Again I don't really like humanoid pokemon.
- Watchog, its eyes scare me
- Amoonguss, WTF?
- Haxorus, He's alright actually. I think I just don't like the colors..the shiney one looks better. I also like the pre-evos much better
- Cyrogonal...ummm what??
- Druddigon, kinda look like a toy from a cereal box!


I hope I don't offend anybody, these are just my opinions :)

R_N
14th February 2011, 4:19 AM
Speaking of Emolga, did we ever figure out why the n became l?
Or, rather, what the new pun is?

Sabonea_Masukippa
14th February 2011, 4:40 AM
Speaking of Emolga, did we ever figure out why the n became l?
Or, rather, what the new pun is?

Not as far as I know. The only (admittedly dubious, given Cofagrigus) is that Emonga includes the word 'mong' which is quite an offensive word in some English communities.

Although it could simply be that NoA/TCPi/whoever felt that Emolga was easier to say in English than Emonga. Who knows.

Cobalt_Latios
14th February 2011, 4:53 AM
WTF... They gave it BlackGlasses and didn't teach it any Dark moves? And anybody should have known that thing is hacked. A shiny Spiritomb with Wonder Guard and Focus Punch? Come on.
Oh yeah... ol' WonderTomb.


Spiritomb with Wonder Guard! Freaking genius!!
Yeah, a friend of mine had some fun hacking a few different varieties of those.


EDIT: Nightmare fuel, anyone? http://img222.imageshack.us/f/4komamaggyo.jpg/
That is kind of freaky O_o;;

/CL

BW202
14th February 2011, 5:14 AM
Ones I don't like:

- Amoonguss, WTF?
- Cyrogonal...ummm what??
- Druddigon, kinda look like a toy from a cereal box!


I hope I don't offend anybody, these are just my opinions :)

Lol ya, those were my exact reactions to those at first but now they've changed for the better. I was extremely confused by Druddigon's color scheme since Blue and Red don't really fit together and look ugly. Now seeing that it's based off of a gargoyle, I can appreciate its ugliness XD. I agree Cryogonal is extremely odd...but it has a moustache so who can complain? I didn't like Amoonguss at first, but now it's my favorite Poison :D.

R_N
14th February 2011, 5:42 AM
I wonder if Cyrogonal was added later into development, much like Chimecho was. It's only found in a couple (one?!) places, where 3/4ths of the year it only shows up 1% of the time (in shining grass?!), and even in the other fourth it's only 5%.
...
wait this thing has 105 base speed? And naturally learns Sharpen? And Solar Beam? And attract?!

tailswalker
14th February 2011, 5:58 AM
Not as far as I know. The only (admittedly dubious, given Cofagrigus) is that Emonga includes the word 'mong' which is quite an offensive word in some English communities.

Although it could simply be that NoA/TCPi/whoever felt that Emolga was easier to say in English than Emonga. Who knows.

What's with Cofagrigus?

I've seen a lot of people don't like this gen's fighters, but personally, it contains the only fighting-type I like of all of them: Mienshao! It's so... ferret-y! yay! :D

StarlightMew
14th February 2011, 6:06 AM
Lol ya, those were my exact reactions to those at first but now they've changed for the better. I was extremely confused by Druddigon's color scheme since Blue and Red don't really fit together and look ugly. Now seeing that it's based off of a gargoyle, I can appreciate its ugliness XD. I agree Cryogonal is extremely odd...but it has a moustache so who can complain? I didn't like Amoonguss at first, but now it's my favorite Poison .

Oh I see the gargoyle resemblance now! Makes sense. I can't get over the absurdity of Amoonguss yet :) In this pic it looks like he's whistling

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/4/4a/591Morobareru.png/200px-591Morobareru.png


wait this thing has 105 base speed? And naturally learns Sharpen? And Solar Beam? And attract?!

What! How does it learn attract when it's genderless hahaha?


I've seen a lot of people don't like this gen's fighters, but personally, it contains the only fighting-type I like of all of them: Mienshao! It's so... ferret-y! yay!

I agree! I really like Mienshao now that I've had a good look at it.

LegendaryHero
14th February 2011, 6:09 AM
I wonder if Cyrogonal was added later into development, much like Chimecho was. It's only found in a couple (one?!) places, where 3/4ths of the year it only shows up 1% of the time (in shining grass?!), and even in the other fourth it's only 5%.
...
wait this thing has 105 base speed? And naturally learns Sharpen? And Solar Beam? And attract?!

It's a shame that it's defense is so pitiful. Makes it very difficult to use..

Still a cool pokemon, though!

Sabonea_Masukippa
14th February 2011, 6:28 AM
I wonder if Cyrogonal was added later into development, much like Chimecho was. It's only found in a couple (one?!) places, where 3/4ths of the year it only shows up 1% of the time (in shining grass?!), and even in the other fourth it's only 5%.
...
wait this thing has 105 base speed? And naturally learns Sharpen? And Solar Beam? And attract?!

I dunno if it was a late development, since James Turner said he was asked to create the Vanilish line to boost the low number of ice-types and he was employed October 2009. Without that line there'd only have been 4 in the dex (kyurem, cubchoo, beartic and cryagonal), so I don't know if GF were so silly as to have accounted for only 3 ice-types by October 2009 if we suppose Cryagonal was also a 'late' addition. Also, did not know that about Chimecho. Interesting.

R_N
14th February 2011, 6:39 AM
I dunno if it was a late development, since James Turner said he was asked to create the Vanilish line to boost the low number of ice-types and he was employed October 2009. Without that line there'd only have been 4 in the dex (kyurem, cubchoo, beartic and cryagonal), so I don't know if GF were so silly as to have accounted for only 3 ice-types by October 2009 if we suppose Cryagonal was also a 'late' addition. Also, did not know that about Chimecho. Interesting.

Why do you think it was only in one section of one location with a 1% encounter rate? Index wise, it was at the very tail-end of all the other Pokemon.

Sabonea_Masukippa
14th February 2011, 6:48 AM
Why do you think it was only in one section of one location with a 1% encounter rate? Index wise, it was at the very tail-end of all the other Pokemon.

Don't know. Maybe it was designed to be rare? Plenty of Pokemon have only been found in limited percentages in one area (RS was plagued with them, if memory serves). And with the index thing were you reffering to Cryagonal or Chimecho - because I do remember Chimecho being at the end of the index list, and people thought it was the 'mew' of the generation for about 30 minutes until we saw its stats.

LegendaryHero
14th February 2011, 6:50 AM
because I do remember Chimecho being at the end of the index list, and people thought it was the 'mew' of the generation for about 30 minutes until we saw its stats.

First off, I lol'd

Secondly, I was not aware of that. That's pretty interesting, actually~

Sapphire Kirby
14th February 2011, 6:56 AM
I wonder if Cyrogonal was added later into development, much like Chimecho was. It's only found in a couple (one?!) places, where 3/4ths of the year it only shows up 1% of the time (in shining grass?!), and even in the other fourth it's only 5%.
...
wait this thing has 105 base speed? And naturally learns Sharpen? And Solar Beam? And attract?!

Doesn't Sharpen require lowering your polygon count to increase attack? Either Cyrogonal is a hologram or it's breaking the 4th wall :confused:

R_N
14th February 2011, 7:26 AM
Don't know. Maybe it was designed to be rare? Plenty of Pokemon have only been found in limited percentages in one area (RS was plagued with them, if memory serves). And with the index thing were you reffering to Cryagonal or Chimecho - because I do remember Chimecho being at the end of the index list, and people thought it was the 'mew' of the generation for about 30 minutes until we saw its stats.

Yeah, I was talking about Chimecho. It was the only one completely out of order.
What a bizzare Pokemon to make rare for no real reason. Usually, if it had a 1% rate, it would be a swarm Pokemon (or was meant to be an obstacle, like Keckleon) or version kinda-exclusive (Koffing was 2% in one version but common in the other, Grimer was 2% in another common in the other). And other rare Pokemon (Such as Tropius or Absol) had higher encounter rates (~10%) or were 5% but with the area in question having few Pokemon in it (Relicanth). And the normal-rares were generally strong (did you know Absol had 130 base attack? I didn't!) or had something going for them. Chimecho didn't.

Weeiiiirrdd.

Doesn't Sharpen require lowering your polygon count to increase attack? Either Cyrogonal is a hologram or it's breaking the 4th wall :confused:
Yeah, which is presumably why only Porygon (specifically, only Porygon. Not either of his evolutions) got it (Onix got one during a gen 2 event, though).

MetalFlygon08
14th February 2011, 8:22 AM
Sharpen's Flavah text need's to be changed to not mention polygons, but instead just sharpens up smooth edges.

So many Pokemon would love to have sharpen as an early stat move. Weedle, Spearow, Oshawott, Tauros, Any Pokemon with horns.

Sabonea_Masukippa
14th February 2011, 9:06 AM
Haha, can't believe I missed this earlier, but Cofagrigus playing peek-a-boo by itself and then realizing it's all alone in the Ancient Castle.

http://img404.imageshack.us/f/4komadesukaan.jpg/

And long, Timburr fgets knocked on the head and forgets 'patience' (Bide in the English games, I believes) and learns 'Temper Tantrum' (obviously not a real attack).

http://img193.imageshack.us/i/4komadokkora.jpg/

Seems Ferroseed can also shoot out all its spikes.
http://img820.imageshack.us/f/4komatesshido.jpg/

Nacreous
14th February 2011, 10:38 AM
I just realised...why does Unfezant have Super Luck?>.>it doesn't have moves with high crit. hit ratio>.>the only one is Air Cutter but we all know how helpful that is with its 65 Sp Attack.I wish they made Unfezant a special attacker...

Serebii
14th February 2011, 10:43 AM
Super Luck doesn't need to have moves that already increase Critical Hits to work. It still boosts it to 12.5% rather than 6.25%.

Rakurai
14th February 2011, 11:30 AM
Haha, can't believe I missed this earlier, but Cofagrigus playing peek-a-boo by itself and then realizing it's all alone in the Ancient Castle.

http://img404.imageshack.us/f/4komadesukaan.jpg/

And long, Timburr fgets knocked on the head and forgets 'patience' (Bide in the English games, I believes) and learns 'Temper Tantrum' (obviously not a real attack).

http://img193.imageshack.us/i/4komadokkora.jpg/

Seems Ferroseed can also shoot out all its spikes.
http://img820.imageshack.us/f/4komatesshido.jpg/

I love every last one of those 4koma (Though the Zweilous/Jiheddo one especially got a chuckle out of me).

Seeing the 5th gen Pokemon depicted with so much personality is enjoyable, and I hope someone gets around to translating them all in due time.

Maxim
14th February 2011, 12:58 PM
Haha, can't believe I missed this earlier, but Cofagrigus playing peek-a-boo by itself and then realizing it's all alone in the Ancient Castle.

http://img404.imageshack.us/f/4komadesukaan.jpg/

And long, Timburr fgets knocked on the head and forgets 'patience' (Bide in the English games, I believes) and learns 'Temper Tantrum' (obviously not a real attack).

http://img193.imageshack.us/i/4komadokkora.jpg/

Seems Ferroseed can also shoot out all its spikes.
http://img820.imageshack.us/f/4komatesshido.jpg/

Are these 4Koma strips from those BW Mini-Guides?

These (http://www.shogakukan.co.jp/books/detail/_isbn_9784091064639) two (http://www.shogakukan.co.jp/books/detail/_isbn_9784091064615)?

Ophie
14th February 2011, 1:31 PM
Cryogonal has caught my attention--I don't think it's well-suited for single battles (admittedly, none of this generation's Ice-types are, including Kyurem), though I can see it employing its 135 Special Defense and 105 Speed to rotation battles very well, with good prediction. Still best to attach a Focus Sash onto Cryogonal in case you predict wrong though.

As for those 4-komas, it's so sweet that most of these Pokémon are actually quite good-natured, even the ones that seem quite sinister like Hydreigon and Cofagrigus.


One thing I don't understand about the leader/E4 names...and this regards all of them, not just this gen...is that some of them are hit-you-over-the-head punny almost to the point of not being names (who is actually named Brawly?!), but some really do just seem to be normal names. It's irritatingly inconsistent. Like, off the top of my head here, Lt. Surge is obvious, but Lorelei? Where did that one come from? And Drake clearly implies a dragon master...but Clair? Ehh??

Lorelei is an actual first name. It's a feminine name and means "mermaid." I can't remmeber who it was, but some famous author or playwright, can't remember which, had a bunch of kids and named one of his daughters Lorelei. The name has fallen out of popular use, but it hasn't died entirely.

(This is not a case of naming a character based on etymology, by the way. The word "lorelei" is a rare but accepted synonym for "mermaid.")


Well the snake has always been a vilified creature, paired up with Serperior's physical traits, yeah, it's one of the meanest looking starters, alongside Feraligatr, Venasaur and Charizard.

Wrong. Snakes are seen as benevolent creatures to be respected in some cultures, most notably Indian.

Sakrey
14th February 2011, 1:58 PM
Are these 4Koma strips from those BW Mini-Guides?

These (http://www.shogakukan.co.jp/books/detail/_isbn_9784091064639) two (http://www.shogakukan.co.jp/books/detail/_isbn_9784091064615)?

More likely from this guide book (http://www.pokemon.co.jp/gp/goods/book/b110204_01.html) :)

Porygandrew
14th February 2011, 2:51 PM
http://img251.imageshack.us/i/4komatamagetake.jpg/

Doesn't tamagetake remind anyone else of those suction-cup toys that you press down and they pop up?

GaZsTiC
14th February 2011, 2:59 PM
http://img251.imageshack.us/i/4komatamagetake.jpg/

Doesn't tamagetake remind anyone else of those suction-cup toys that you press down and they pop up?

A little.

And, MY GAWD, the starters' expressions at the end are priceless!

Nacreous
14th February 2011, 4:26 PM
Super Luck doesn't need to have moves that already increase Critical Hits to work. It still boosts it to 12.5% rather than 6.25%.

I know...but it would've been nice>.>

LexSuicune
14th February 2011, 5:52 PM
Haha, can't believe I missed this earlier, but Cofagrigus playing peek-a-boo by itself and then realizing it's all alone in the Ancient Castle.

http://img404.imageshack.us/f/4komadesukaan.jpg/

And long, Timburr fgets knocked on the head and forgets 'patience' (Bide in the English games, I believes) and learns 'Temper Tantrum' (obviously not a real attack).

http://img193.imageshack.us/i/4komadokkora.jpg/

Seems Ferroseed can also shoot out all its spikes.
http://img820.imageshack.us/f/4komatesshido.jpg/

LMAO, these are amazing, specially Cofagrigus'

snare
14th February 2011, 6:13 PM
Yeah, I was talking about Chimecho. It was the only one completely out of order.


Actually actually actuuuually, did y'all check the index numbers again? Because the Ralts family is right before Bagon's and Beldum's! Isn't that absolutely curious? Did they intend to give Gardevoir pseudo-legend status?

Isn't that weiiiird?

Lorde
14th February 2011, 7:30 PM
http://img251.imageshack.us/i/4komatamagetake.jpg/

Doesn't tamagetake remind anyone else of those suction-cup toys that you press down and they pop up?

It really does, now that you mention it lol. I was browsing through these little comics yesterday, and I saw the one about the three Unova Starter Pokemon walking around one day and then Oshawott stepping in a mud puddle and getting shocked by electricity. Then Maggyo was revealed to have been hiding in the mud puddle. Wow, seeing its face sticking out of the mud puddle was hilarious. It was just really trippy but funny at the same time. I also read some others, but I didn't get all of the stories.

Chimchar15
14th February 2011, 7:49 PM
Ok this was just hilarious. http://img715.imageshack.us/i/4komadaikenki.jpg/

Beeblebrox
14th February 2011, 8:21 PM
Not as far as I know. The only (admittedly dubious, given Cofagrigus) is that Emonga includes the word 'mong' which is quite an offensive word in some English communities.

Although it could simply be that NoA/TCPi/whoever felt that Emolga was easier to say in English than Emonga. Who knows.

Yeah, if Emonga had made it to the UK unchanged, all hell would have broken loose. Considering that an Emolga is apparently going to play a big part in the anime, and they had far more to lose not changing it than changing it.

And "mong" is a far, far worse word than "***", and it is way more prominent in Emonga than Cofagrigus.

The Eleventh
14th February 2011, 8:33 PM
Would I be correct if I said it was the Prima guidebook and will most likely be released in the U.S.?

Yes, there'll be two volumes. The first volume will have a limited edition version (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pokemon-Black-Version-White-Collectors/dp/0307890627/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1297711962&sr=8-2), which has a holographic cover (displaying Zekrom, then Reshiram), and then there's the normal cover (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pokemon-Black-White-Versions/dp/0307890600/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1297711962&sr=8-3).

Hejiru
14th February 2011, 8:38 PM
Yeah, if Emonga had made it to the UK unchanged, all hell would have broken loose. Considering that an Emolga is apparently going to play a big part in the anime, and they had far more to lose not changing it than changing it.

And "mong" is a far, far worse word than "***", and it is way more prominent in Emonga than Cofagrigus.

Is it really that huge a deal? I've never even heard of a "mong". Is it a racial slur or something?

And on that same note, wasn't Makuhita's name going to be Makushita?

Endless
14th February 2011, 8:49 PM
Can somebody help me find a complete list of those 4koma comics from the guide book? (or at least many of them)

Dracoste
14th February 2011, 8:54 PM
Can somebody help me find a complete list of those 4koma comics from the guide book? (or at least many of them)

Here ya go.

Unfortunately, not all of them have been scanned and they are still in raw :<
However a good amount are scanned. If you want to see them follow here (http://img156.imageshack.us/g/4komazuruzukin.jpg/) (courtesy of Sunnyshore.com).

The Eleventh
14th February 2011, 9:13 PM
I've never heard of "mong", just "minger". When I first heard "mong", I thought of ming-mong, a Doctor Who fanatic.

Endless
14th February 2011, 9:31 PM
Here ya go.

Ah thanks.
I really liked the Kyurem and Hydreigon ones.
How canon is this? Because I found Vanillite's non frozen head and Shelmet's inner body quite unimaginery, but Golurk flying is just awsome. However since we get so many features not shown in artwork, (like Dwebble without a rock and Sewaddle without a leaf in the anime, and the one I mentioned in the comics) I am starting to hope for Digletts feet again.

CaptainCombusken
14th February 2011, 9:45 PM
Me likey the Samurott one, and these:
Zekrom (http://img145.imageshack.us/f/4komazekrom.jpg/)
Darmantian (http://img248.imageshack.us/f/4komahihidaruma.jpg/)
Dewott (http://img6.imageshack.us/f/4komafutachimaru.jpg/)
Because they're funny and have Pokemon I like in.

Sponge
14th February 2011, 9:57 PM
Yeah, if Emonga had made it to the UK unchanged, all hell would have broken loose. Considering that an Emolga is apparently going to play a big part in the anime, and they had far more to lose not changing it than changing it.

And "mong" is a far, far worse word than "***", and it is way more prominent in Emonga than Cofagrigus.

Wow, I've never heard of this "mong" word either....

Dracoste
14th February 2011, 10:03 PM
The only thing that I found (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mong) that could be offensive about "mong" is that it is a shortening of Mongoloid, a person with Down's syndrome.

SasakiThePikachu
14th February 2011, 10:22 PM
Lorelei is an actual first name. It's a feminine name and means "mermaid." I can't remmeber who it was, but some famous author or playwright, can't remember which, had a bunch of kids and named one of his daughters Lorelei. The name has fallen out of popular use, but it hasn't died entirely.

(This is not a case of naming a character based on etymology, by the way. The word "lorelei" is a rare but accepted synonym for "mermaid.")


I knew Lorelei was a name ^^;; I did not, however, knew it meant 'mermaid'. Cheers, Ophie, I learnt something new today :D

Anyone hazard a guess at why Whitney is called Whitney? I never could figure that one out - no puns there that I can understand. And Clair still bothers me. They're just too random...

The only thing I think of when I see tamagetake is 'kissy kissy!' xD

I don't think Emonga would've caused a problem. My cousin has Down's syndrome, and I'm not offended in any way by that. What kind of idiot would be? I hadn't even heard of 'mong' until you guys brought it up...

Dracoste
14th February 2011, 10:26 PM
Anyone hazard a guess at why Whitney is called Whitney? I never could figure that one out - no puns there that I can understand. And Clair still bothers me. They're just too random...

I don't think Emonga would've caused a problem. My cousin has Down's syndrome, and I'm not offended in any way by that. What kind of idiot would be? I hadn't even heard of 'mong' until you guys brought it up...

Whitney is similar to white. Clair contains lair.

I don't know about England, but here in Holland calling someone a "Mongool" is a very, very, very bad insult, it's about the same as calling someone a retard.

The Eleventh
14th February 2011, 10:51 PM
Me likey the Samurott one, and these:
Zekrom (http://img145.imageshack.us/f/4komazekrom.jpg/)
Darmantian (http://img248.imageshack.us/f/4komahihidaruma.jpg/)
Dewott (http://img6.imageshack.us/f/4komafutachimaru.jpg/)
Because they're funny and have Pokemon I like in.

O.O What are Beartic and Zoroark doing in that first image? From a distance, it looks as if Zoroark is faced the other way. . .

Lishus13
14th February 2011, 11:04 PM
Anyone hazard a guess at why Whitney is called Whitney? I never could figure that one out - no puns there that I can understand. And Clair still bothers me. They're just too random...

Whitney = "White" = Normal

Clair = "Lair" = Dragon's Lair = Dragon.

The Eleventh
14th February 2011, 11:10 PM
Someone help me, I have a Generation III fever; I can't stop listening to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEwAPnIev38&feature=related) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1hBm4LRZRw&feature=related). RSE better be remade soon. Or else I'll die.

LexSuicune
14th February 2011, 11:17 PM
Where are you guys getting these? The Dewott one is amazing XD.

Dracoste
14th February 2011, 11:21 PM
Where are you guys getting these? The Dewott one is amazing XD.

The link to the page is already on this page*sigh*

Oh well, here ya go (http://img156.imageshack.us/g/4komazuruzukin.jpg/), but next time look beter before you ask.

Dr. Leggs
14th February 2011, 11:31 PM
Ahh, I didn't even see the word mong in Emonga, but it does make sense now, along with Makushita -> Makuhita. Not a big deal though, but it's all cool.

R_N
14th February 2011, 11:36 PM
Ahh, I didn't even see the word mong in Emonga, but it does make sense now, along with Makushita -> Makuhita. Not a big deal though, but it's all cool.

Yeah but I wonder why they didn't just go ahead and give it a completely new name.
You've got electricity, squirrels, and fly squirrels at your disposal here. A vast array of puns are available to you.

Porygandrew
14th February 2011, 11:56 PM
Yeah but I wonder why they didn't just go ahead and give it a completely new name.
You've got electricity, squirrels, and fly squirrels at your disposal here. A vast array of puns are available to you.

It's probably due to marketing. They didn't change "pachirisu" at all, nor any of the other electric rodents. This way they can probably get away with international promotion.

luxrayshock
15th February 2011, 12:08 AM
new Corocoro scans say that you can breed male zoroark that knows barkout with ditto and zorua's will know barkout? is this true?

lindsy95
15th February 2011, 12:16 AM
Whats bad about 'mong' anyway?

MetalFlygon08
15th February 2011, 12:19 AM
new Corocoro scans say that you can breed male zoroark that knows barkout with ditto and zorua's will know barkout? is this true?

I didn't read the article, but if the Zoroak's Male, then yes, Female...I'm not sure.

Sabonea_Masukippa
15th February 2011, 12:35 AM
Whats bad about 'mong' anyway?

It's a word for calling someone people 'retarded' and comes from Mongoloid/a person with Down Syndrome. It's even, somewhat, offensive in Australia, as noted a couple of years ago when an Australian Idol judge said one male contestant's make up made him look like a 'mong' and the entire media and professional outrage groups went into a outraged frenzy.

Edit: And yes, Corocoro does in fact say that breeding a male Zoroark with Ditto will result in the offspring Zorua knowing the move too.

R_N
15th February 2011, 12:35 AM
The Zoroark is male, yes.

Big Z can also pass it down to other Pokemon, or have Smeargle sketch it and then he can pass it.

SasakiThePikachu
15th February 2011, 1:12 AM
Whitney = "White" = Normal

Clair = "Lair" = Dragon's Lair = Dragon.

You mean Dragon's Den? And what does white have to do with normal type pokemon? Seems a bit of a stretch.

I can't believe they would change Emonga for fear of upsetting people with 'mong' but release a name like Cofagrigus. Neither are offensive, but if we're going to talk about petty people finding offense where no-one meant to cause any, then surely what's good for the goose should be good for the...um...ghost.

gyaradosuseddragonrage!
15th February 2011, 1:29 AM
That's the color for normal types, y'know, Fire = Red, Steel = Grey, Water = Blue, etc.

lindsy95
15th February 2011, 1:33 AM
And dragons are often depicted as having a 'lair'.

Night_Walker
15th February 2011, 2:01 AM
This regions starters are the best set of starters in my opinion. They are so cool! I like how creative they were with this regions starters.
I disagree due to one thing: Tepig's line, third fire-starter line introduced in a row that becomes a Fire and Fighting type.
They can point to whatever regional warrior they want to as the inspiration for the Tepig line and claim that makes it different but the fact remains it is the same type combination as the Torchic line and the Chimchar line.
...If they really want one of the starters to end up part fighting type what's wrong with doing it with one of the others?

Apart from that though I have been so impressed with a lot of the new Pokemon, it feels like they took a step back before designing them, compared to earlier generations (most particularly Hoenn - which was the generation that had the most pokemon I wasn't happy with), and put a lot of effort into designing them.
I particularly like;
~ The Snivy line, they all look cool but especially Serperior, who just looks so awesome.
~ The Hitomoshi line is awesome.

Sabonea_Masukippa
15th February 2011, 2:09 AM
I disagree due to one thing: Tepig's line, third fire-starter line introduced in a row that becomes a Fire and Fighting type.

What's creative is that they've taken the same type-combo and given us three completely different Pokemon.

Grei
15th February 2011, 2:42 AM
I disagree due to one thing: Tepig's line, third fire-starter line introduced in a row that becomes a Fire and Fighting type.
They can point to whatever regional warrior they want to as the inspiration for the Tepig line and claim that makes it different but the fact remains it is the same type combination as the Torchic line and the Chimchar line.
...If they really want one of the starters to end up part fighting type what's wrong with doing it with one of the others?

Apart from that though I have been so impressed with a lot of the new Pokemon, it feels like they took a step back before designing them, compared to earlier generations (most particularly Hoenn - which was the generation that had the most pokemon I wasn't happy with), and put a lot of effort into designing them.
I particularly like;
~ The Snivy line, they all look cool but especially Serperior, who just looks so awesome.
~ The Hitomoshi line is awesome.

Oh I know. How DARE they give us multiple type combinations in successive Generations.

Curse you, Samurott! You're a complete copy of Lumineon, you pure-Water bastard! Same to you, Serperior! Carnivine was here first!

Seriously, get over it. Just because you personally don't find Tepig to your liking doesn't detract from the original statement, that this set of Starters is among the best set according to a lot of us.

R_N
15th February 2011, 2:45 AM
I think a better comparison would be Ferligatr to Blastoise, and Sceptile to Meganium.

It is weird they never gave Fire/Fighting to non-starters, though.

Grei
15th February 2011, 2:52 AM
O.O What are Beartic and Zoroark doing in that first image? From a distance, it looks as if Zoroark is faced the other way. . .

They are clearly getting it on!


I think a better comparison would be Ferligatr to Blastoise, and Sceptile to Meganium.

It is weird they never gave Fire/Fighting to non-starters, though.

Oh, you're right. :/

Ah well. Point being, it's hardly a big deal at all when--as Sabonea_Masukippa pointed out--all three Fire Starters are relatively different. I mean, Blaziken is often compared to Infernape, as they are sweepers, but they do have differences and in any case, that hardly has anything to do with Emboar, who is slow and HP-heavy.

SnugNBouncy
15th February 2011, 2:53 AM
This regions starters are the best set of starters in my opinion. They are so cool! I like how creative they were with this regions starters.

I love Oshawott! Its line is so awesome! They are my favorite Pokemon.

im sorry, but i have to COMPLETELY disagree with you here. the first generation's starters are are irrefutably the best. two multi-type combinations, and very creative designs especially for so early on in the series. imo, the first gen starters are much more creative than fifth gen's. compare the elaborate and highly original design of venusaur to serperior, serperior can't even compare. charizard, although his design may be simple, he is a fan favorite, and has a much greater impact on the pokemon franchise than emboar ever will. and samurott? please. his design may be aesthetically pleasing, can you really even compare that to the nostalgia of raising your squirtle into a blastoise back in R/B? while these starters have their redeeming qualities, i feel as though the older players may have a hard time accepting the newer pokemon into the already cemented regime we've come to know and love.

Night_Walker
15th February 2011, 2:53 AM
What's creative is that they've taken the same type-combo and given us three completely different Pokemon.
Three fire warriors... I'm sorry but what's different there? Don't care if they look different the basic concept is the same.


Oh I know. How DARE they give us multiple type combinations in successive Generations.

Curse you, Samurott! You're a complete copy of Lumineon, you pure-Water bastard! Same to you, Serperior! Carnivine was here first!

Seriously, get over it. Just because you personally don't find Tepig to your liking doesn't detract from the original statement, that this set of Starters is among the best set according to a lot of us.
Well excuse me for speaking my mind in a discussion thread about the new Pokemon...

If you guys think they're the best starter set, fine think that - and if I've somehow suggested you don't have the right to think that then I apologise.
I, however, reserve the right to complain about the same basic concept for the Fire starter being used a third time in a row - it's not just the type combo it's the fact it's the same type combo and concept.

I don't complain about Snivy being the same as Chikorita or Treeco because they're based off different concepts - a grass Dinosaur, a grass tree-lizard and now a grass snake.
But Torchic, Chimchar and Tepig are a lot more identical - fire warrior, might happen to be a bird, monkey and pig.

I just think there are plenty of other concepts for a fire starter but that the design team have sat on their laurels since they thought up the Torchic line.

gyaradosuseddragonrage!
15th February 2011, 2:55 AM
End this starter rant please, it is real annoying [coughorangecough].

But yeah, I personally dislike Emboar, but that is just because of its appearance. The type has nothing to do with it.

Grei
15th February 2011, 3:01 AM
im sorry, but i have to COMPLETELY disagree with you here. the first generation's starters are are irrefutably the best. two multi-type combinations, and very creative designs especially for so early on in the series. imo, the first gen starters are much more creative than fifth gen's. compare the elaborate and highly original design of venusaur to serperior, serperior can't even compare. charizard, although his design may be simple, he is a fan favorite, and has a much greater impact on the pokemon franchise than emboar ever will. and samurott? please. his design may be aesthetically pleasing, can you really even compare that to the nostalgia of raising your squirtle into a blastoise back in R/B? while these starters have their redeeming qualities, i feel as though the older players may have a hard time accepting the newer pokemon into the already cemented regime we've come to know and love.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0y2seqEPuOs/TJkS5f8WTyI/AAAAAAAAAxw/z01X76pBka8/s400/NostalgiaGoggles.png

Your nostalgia rant is nice.

However, you're utterly confused if you think nostalgia automatically makes a design better. Your own emotions blinding your thought process = what is truly there. The Kanto Starters, Charizard especially, are extremely bland and boring. They look like generic anime monsters that just about anyone could come up with. Give me the 5th Gen Pokemon over the bland 1st Gen Pokemon any day.

BCVM22
15th February 2011, 3:02 AM
the first generation's starters are are irrefutably the best.

Mostly ain't a thing in this franchise that's irrefutably anything, much less starters and much less the best.


has a much greater impact on the pokemon franchise than emboar ever will

You're not really trying to quantify Pokémon designs based on "impact on the franchise", are you?


i feel as though the older players may have a hard time accepting the newer pokemon into the already cemented regime we've come to know and love.

Which, in part, is why no one, anywhere, ever, is worried about the "older players" in this franchise.

Cobalt_Latios
15th February 2011, 3:13 AM
I disagree due to one thing: Tepig's line, third fire-starter line introduced in a row that becomes a Fire and Fighting type.
They can point to whatever regional warrior they want to as the inspiration for the Tepig line and claim that makes it different but the fact remains it is the same type combination as the Torchic line and the Chimchar line.
Typing may be identical, but the designs are "vastly" different.


...If they really want one of the starters to end up part fighting type what's wrong with doing it with one of the others?
That has more to do with decisions and deadlines than anything else.

Little details that make all the difference really.


Apart from that though I have been so impressed with a lot of the new Pokemon, it feels like they took a step back before designing them, compared to earlier generations (most particularly Hoenn - which was the generation that had the most pokemon I wasn't happy with), and put a lot of effort into designing them.
That's interesting, because, as I recall, a lot of people seemed to have issues with 4th gen. But hey, everyone is entitled to an opinion. Just remember, it's just an opinion.


I particularly like;
~ The Snivy line, they all look cool but especially Serperior, who just looks so awesome.
~ The Hitomoshi line is awesome.
It says something than that GF was able to actually turn what is essentially a candle, a "lantern" and a chandelier into some big time favorites among people. Although part of that comes from the fact that Chandelure has some hefty stats for what it is.


What's creative is that they've taken the same type-combo and given us three completely different Pokemon.
Although, I would like Emboar more if it had a more diverse Fighting type moveset. I like the design and all, and would love to use it at some point, but it just seems odd that they give it the Fighting type, and it hardly learns any attacks of that sort.

/CL

Night_Walker
15th February 2011, 3:28 AM
Typing may be identical, but the designs are "vastly" different.
My issue is that it's the same concept being reused, I don't see much difference between them because they're all fire-warriors even if one is a bird-like one, another a monkey-like one and the last a pig-like one.


That has more to do with decisions and deadlines than anything else.

Little details that make all the difference really.
*shrugs* Maybe.

Definitely, I just perceive it as a lack of originality since the typing and the basic concept has been used three times in a row compared to the other starters where we've had: two pure grass types, one grass and ground type, a water and ground type, a water and steel type and a pure water type.

But for those this is annoying I'll lay off Tepig.


That's interesting, because, as I recall, a lot of people seemed to have issues with 4th gen. But hey, everyone is entitled to an opinion. Just remember, it's just an opinion.
For me, and I'm sorry if I haven't presented what I'm saying as solely my opinion (cause that's all I've been putting up not trying to assert what I'm saying is 'fact'), 3rd was really bad so while 4th wasn't great it was better.


It says something than that GF was able to actually turn what is essentially a candle, a "lantern" and a chandelier into some big time favorites among people. Although part of that comes from the fact that Chandelure has some hefty stats for what it is.
/CL
*Shrugs* it probably helps that the design is fairly good and that the concept of ghostly fire is pretty universal.

Grei
15th February 2011, 3:49 AM
My issue is that it's the same concept being reused, I don't see much difference between them because they're all fire-warriors even if one is a bird-like one, another a monkey-like one and the last a pig-like one.

Look at their stat spreads and movesets, and you'll see the differences between them. There's more to a Pokemon than just its typing, after all. They've all got different uses, perks, and faults, but by no means are they all altogether alike.


For me, and I'm sorry if I haven't presented what I'm saying as solely my opinion (cause that's all I've been putting up not trying to assert what I'm saying is 'fact'), 3rd was really bad so while 4th wasn't great it was better.

I disagree about the 4th Gen (which I absolutely loved), but I do agree about the 3rd Gen. I was largely unhappy with the 3rd Gen Pokemon, although I've grown to like a lot of them.

e9310103838
15th February 2011, 4:00 AM
According to magazine information

153 Pokemon in Unova (include Victini), Pikachu & Meowth, will voted.

The top 10 will made the wallpapers . ;191;

Night_Walker
15th February 2011, 4:02 AM
Look at their stat spreads and movesets, and you'll see the differences between them. There's more to a Pokemon than just its typing.
I'll acknowledge that, and I did actually use the Torchic line in 3rd, but the 'problem' - and yes it's my personal opinion here - in my eyes is that the same concept (with merely some alteration in looks and details like stats and movesets) has been used three times in a row now (not including the re-release of Cyndaquil) when there are so many excellent concepts that could be used.


I disagree about the 4th Gen (which I absolutely loved), but I do agree about the 3rd Gen. I was largely unhappy with the 3rd Gen Pokemon, although I've grown to like a lot of them.
Well actually thinking about it properly I was overall much happier with the Sinnoh games then I was with the Hoenn ones; there were less Pokemon I didn't like the look of, a lot more I loved the look of and it was easier to get through places in Sinnoh then in Hoenn. I just can't quite think of what it is that makes me hold back from giving Sinnoh the 'best region' tag from Kanto.

Maverik
15th February 2011, 4:10 AM
To be honest, the Hoenn Pokemon (and Unova) are my favorites. They were outlandish, but creative, excellent and fun to use.

Sinnoh had too many evolutions of past Pokemon, and the "actual" Sinnoh Pokemon were just... bland.

My opinion, though. Can't argue with me, cos' it's my opinion.

BW202
15th February 2011, 4:35 AM
@Snugnbouncy nostalgic much? I'm sorry, but you are way too caught in the past if you think they are the most original.

I'd say my favorite gen's Pokemon goes in this order:

5th
3rd
4th
1st/2nd

My favorite starters are definitely the 3rd gen.

gyaradosuseddragonrage!
15th February 2011, 5:04 AM
Now this is just my opinion, don't flame me.

Torchic>Chimchar>Tepig

Ophie
15th February 2011, 8:59 AM
It's a word for calling someone people 'retarded' and comes from Mongoloid/a person with Down Syndrome. It's even, somewhat, offensive in Australia, as noted a couple of years ago when an Australian Idol judge said one male contestant's make up made him look like a 'mong' and the entire media and professional outrage groups went into a outraged frenzy.

Edit: And yes, Corocoro does in fact say that breeding a male Zoroark with Ditto will result in the offspring Zorua knowing the move too.

I've never actually seen that word prior to discussion about Emonga. Does this mean that the words "Mongol" and "mongrel" carry unfortunate connotations in the UK and Australia?


You mean Dragon's Den? And what does white have to do with normal type pokemon? Seems a bit of a stretch.

Simple: White is a plain color. Normal is a plain type. Whitney gives out the Plain Badge.

The Normal-type is represented most commonly through the color white, or at least a pale gray. The TCG, guides, and Mystery Dungeon games do this, for example.


Well excuse me for speaking my mind in a discussion thread about the new Pokemon...

If you guys think they're the best starter set, fine think that - and if I've somehow suggested you don't have the right to think that then I apologise.
I, however, reserve the right to complain about the same basic concept for the Fire starter being used a third time in a row - it's not just the type combo it's the fact it's the same type combo and concept.

The reason why people have gotten on your case is not because you don't like Emboar. It's because every time someone talks about liking Emboar, you keep butting yourself in to say you don't like it. We heard you the first time.

yeminied
15th February 2011, 9:05 AM
I'll acknowledge that, and I did actually use the Torchic line in 3rd, but the 'problem' - and yes it's my personal opinion here - in my eyes is that the same concept (with merely some alteration in looks and details like stats and movesets) has been used three times in a row now (not including the re-release of Cyndaquil) when there are so many excellent concepts that could be used.

In defence of the Pokemon designers fire doesn't occur naturally so it's tough for them to create fire types as it it, let alone three that will be the face of a generation and in the spotlight for four years.

It can't be easy as it is creating the Grass and Water type starters, both occuring naturally in the world.

Sabonea_Masukippa
15th February 2011, 9:09 AM
Courtesy of Serebii himself: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/zukan/?__utma=1.2056377118.1297756537.1297756537.1297756 537.1&__utmb=1.5.10.1297756537&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1297756537.1.1.utmcsr=%28direct%29|utmccn =%28direct%29|utmcmd=%28none%29&__utmv=-&__utmk=43420965

Official JP Pokedex has updated. That means high quality art for everyone. Yes please.


http://www.pokemon.co.jp/zukan/commons/images/sid_large/592.pnghttp://www.pokemon.co.jp/zukan/commons/images/sid_large/627.png
How can you hate these?

EDIT: Just realised the pattern on Stunfisk's fins look like lightning bolts. Sweet.

Sakrey
15th February 2011, 12:04 PM
AAH!
I was looking forward for the official jp pokédex to be updated, waiting impatiently.

Thank you so much Sab!

Night_Walker
15th February 2011, 1:07 PM
The reason why people have gotten on your case is not because you don't like Emboar. It's because every time someone talks about liking Emboar, you keep butting yourself in to say you don't like it. We heard you the first time.
Well I am sorry but Emboar really has irked me and I just felt the need to complain about it. But I'll lay off it now.


In defence of the Pokemon designers fire doesn't occur naturally so it's tough for them to create fire types as it it, let alone three that will be the face of a generation and in the spotlight for four years.

It can't be easy as it is creating the Grass and Water type starters, both occuring naturally in the world.
Perhaps, although there are animals and plants that do well out of fire and plenty of fire related myths (let's face it fire has a powerful hold over the human mind).

SasakiThePikachu
15th February 2011, 1:24 PM
All right then, I concede defeat on Whitney, but I'll still give a cookie to anyone who can explain 'Phoebe', 'Will' and 'Janine' to me. Hardly 'ooh, I wonder what type you could POSSIBLY train' names like Lt Surge, are they...

I agree that because of its typing Emboar isn't the loveliest pokemon in the world, but God, look at its design. Isn't it beautiful? (I have to stress I'm talking about Emboar ONLY here, not the prevous two in any capacity) . Maybe it's just my penchant for all things eastern, but the ancient chinese influence does it for me. I still wish it was dark/fire, though. In my dreams :) That reminds me.

*scribbles* dear Santa, can we have a dark/fire starter next Gen? Pleeeaaase? You brought me the present of a water/ghost type last year! I've been a very good girl!!

Sabonea_Masukippa
15th February 2011, 1:27 PM
why not have alternate starter evos for the third version?

srullic
15th February 2011, 2:06 PM
People are saying the last three fire starters are different from each other in the way they are used, and i beg to disagree. I play some competitive battling, and I know blaziken and infernape are used the exact same way. emboar may be bulkier, but 110\65\65 is not that bulky, and he usually dies quickly from recoil moves and from being a fire type (which isn't a good type defensively). The only real difference between him and the others is being slow, which makes him inferior.
But to be honest, I don't think they could give it another type. I belive starters can only have physical secondary types (I mean, types that were physical before the split). It was never done before, and I think this gen proves this theory (also why serperior wasen't grass\dragon). So what he has to choose from is...
normal- ehh..
poision-nooo
flying- when pigs will fly
bug- 0.O"
ghost- I never understand why it was physical
rock- will give it x4 weakness to water and ground
steel- I don't see how they could pull that off, + we don't wanna steal heatran's glory
ground- x4 weakness to water. other then that it's not that bad, but the designers didn't think so.
So... this leaves us with pure fire and fire\fight. pure will make just as much outrage as fire\fight, and it will also make a clash with darmanitan, which is obtained early, has higher attack, higher speed and has sheer force, so that will make him better and no one will want to pick tepig.
So this leaves us with... well you know..
Such a shame... I'd rather it being fire\ground so samurott could be water\fighting samurai.

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/974/samqd.png (http://img833.imageshack.us/i/samqd.png/)

Chimchar15
15th February 2011, 2:19 PM
why not have alternate starter evos for the third version?

Do you have any idea off the amount of future spamming, whining, complaining, trolling, and arguing that you may have well just caused?! You've damned us all man! Arceus have mercy on us!

Dracoste
15th February 2011, 2:44 PM
All right then, I concede defeat on Whitney, but I'll still give a cookie to anyone who can explain 'Phoebe', 'Will' and 'Janine' to me. Hardly 'ooh, I wonder what type you could POSSIBLY train' names like Lt Surge, are they...

Phoebe-similar to Phobia and Phantom.
Will-From willpower, mental strenght.
Janine-it contains the letters to make the word "Ninja"

Now hand over that cookie :3

Sabonea_Masukippa
15th February 2011, 2:49 PM
People are saying the last three fire starters are different from each other in the way they are used, and i beg to disagree. I play some competitive battling, and I know blaziken and infernape are used the exact same way. emboar may be bulkier, but 110\65\65 is not that bulky, and he usually dies quickly from recoil moves and from being a fire type (which isn't a good type defensively). The only real difference between him and the others is being slow, which makes him inferior.
But to be honest, I don't think they could give it another type. I belive starters can only have physical secondary types (I mean, types that were physical before the split). It was never done before, and I think this gen proves this theory (also why serperior wasen't grass\dragon). So what he has to choose from is...
normal- ehh..
poision-nooo
flying- when pigs will fly
bug- 0.O"
ghost- I never understand why it was physical
rock- will give it x4 weakness to water and ground
steel- I don't see how they could pull that off, + we don't wanna steal heatran's glory
ground- x4 weakness to water. other then that it's not that bad, but the designers didn't think so.
So... this leaves us with pure fire and fire\fight. pure will make just as much outrage as fire\fight, and it will also make a clash with darmanitan, which is obtained early, has higher attack, higher speed and has sheer force, so that will make him better and no one will want to pick tepig.
So this leaves us with... well you know..
Such a shame... I'd rather it being fire\ground so samurott could be water\fighting samurai.


Pretty much this. Although, as I explained yesterday, Samurott's basing as a samurai is probably the reason it's not a fighting type. For whatever reason GF's idea of fighting types seems to almost exclusively based off of martial arts and wrestling and other forms of hand to hand combat and not blade combat. (Gallade and the mooseketeers are the only exceptions that spring to mind).

My theory is that had basic ideas for a grass snake, fire pig and samurai otter first and then they wanted one of the starters to have a type advantage over the second gym (since they had the monkey challenge for the first and types wouldn't matter). Since that is the normal gym, only Fighting type could be used. As GF seem to not associate 'warrior' with fighting type, Oshawott was out for that secondary typing and Snivy, as a snake, does not lend itself to a fighting type design.

Alternatively, they wanted Fire to be the 'easy' Starter this gen and gave it a typing that gave it an advantage over 2 of the first 3 gyms. Hypothetically Gym 2 was already designed as the normal gym when they were designing Tepig/Pignite and thus they were stuck giving them a secondary Figthing type again.


Do you have any idea off the amount of future spamming, whining, complaining, trolling, and arguing that you may have well just caused?! You've damned us all man! Arceus have mercy on us!

Why else would I have posted something like that, if not to create needlessly high expectations and hopes for the sake of having them crushed in about 18 months time?

BW202
15th February 2011, 4:14 PM
Phoebe-similar to Phobia and Phantom.
Will-From willpower, mental strenght.
Janine-it contains the letters to make the word "Ninja"

Now hand over that cookie :3

Janine is personally my favorite name, and it doesn't just contain the letters, it reverses the syllables. Instead of saying neen-ja, you say ja-neen.

Epicpip
15th February 2011, 4:29 PM
Fire/Ground would have at least made him interesting and unique. It's not like Nintendo will never make a pokemon with a four times weakness. If they make another generation with a fire/fighting starter, I'll... do something. Samurott should have been part rock (again, not like they've never made a four times weakness) and Serperior has too limited of a moveset.

SasakiThePikachu
15th February 2011, 4:40 PM
Fire/Ground would have at least made him interesting and unique. It's not like Nintendo will never make a pokemon with a four times weakness. If they make another generation with a fire/fighting starter, I'll... do something. Samurott should have been part rock (again, not like they've never made a four times weakness) and Serperior has too limited of a moveset.

...explode in molten fanrage? Post GF a stinkbomb hidden in a chocolate box?? Have mild indigestion and a slight migraine over the irksomeness of it all??? Hire Uma Thurman to take them out with a samurai sword, Kill Bill style???? :D

They'll never, ever give a starter a dragon secondary typing, because dragons naturally have superior stats. Apart from the fact that almost EVERYONE would pick the dragon, thr minority who didn't wouldn't stand a chance against it with their elemental moves.

Oopse, nearly forgot. *silently passes Dracoste a cookie*

Rose Storm
15th February 2011, 4:41 PM
I don't think Serperior really suits any other type. It doesn't seem to fit Grass/Dark enough, while it certainly has an evil demeanor about it, it doesn't seem like the kind of thing that's going to go around playing nasty tricks and being unjust. Grass/Poison could work, but that got repetitive since Kanto. Grass/Psychic could be a possibility (it has the similar melancholy eyes that the Ralts family have), but again, something seems unfitting. Pure Grass was probably the best for it. If they're ever to make a Dragon-type starter, they'll have to make all three starters Dragon-type to balance it out.

Porygandrew
15th February 2011, 6:18 PM
http://www.pokemon.co.jp/zukan/commons/images/sid_large/592.pnghttp://www.pokemon.co.jp/zukan/commons/images/sid_large/627.png
How can you hate these?
Easily. Very, very easily.

R_N
15th February 2011, 6:29 PM
Easily. Very, very easily.

heartless cretin


also heretic!


Fire/Ground would have at least made him interesting and unique.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/7/7d/323Camerupt.png/180px-323Camerupt.png

Kariachi
15th February 2011, 6:34 PM
He blasphemes against the glory that is Stunfisk...

Lorde
15th February 2011, 6:47 PM
EDIT: Just realised the pattern on Stunfisk's fins look like lightning bolts. Sweet.

Wow. Stunfisk was revealed several months ago, though I just barely noticed that as well haha. I guess I was just concentrating more on its goofy-looking eyes than on its fins. I don't hate Stunfisk, but I do get tired of seeing it used in jokes all of the time. Yeah, it looks like a funny Pokemon and I got a few laughs out of the jokes people made about it and stuff, but I'm just not feeling it anymore. Now Zorua's trollface, that was priceless. Speaking of Zorua though: I got the Wi-Fi Zoroark. Zoroark really is a useful Pokemon in battle, which makes me even more excited about using it in Black version next month.

Dracoste
15th February 2011, 7:20 PM
I also like Stunfisk, it got an unique typing, not the best speed, but still an average Pokémon. The only thing about it is...it's smile is quite creepy. I seriously don't want to step on that living landmine 0_0. Aside from that, it's quite an interesting Pokémon

Dr. Leggs
15th February 2011, 7:24 PM
Ah, didn't notice Stunfisk's bolt-fins either. I don't love it but I simply can't hate. It's too goofy.

Sponge
15th February 2011, 8:31 PM
Easily. Very, very easily.

It's actually very difficult to realize the true greatness of Stunfisk, clearly his followers are higher beings.

Stunfisk is actually really cute, I love the way it's sprite giggles. It's fun. :)

gliscor&yanmega
15th February 2011, 8:41 PM
Courtesy of Serebii himself: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/zukan/?__utma=1.2056377118.1297756537.1297756537.1297756 537.1&__utmb=1.5.10.1297756537&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1297756537.1.1.utmcsr=%28direct%29|utmccn =%28direct%29|utmcmd=%28none%29&__utmv=-&__utmk=43420965

Official JP Pokedex has updated. That means high quality art for everyone. Yes please.


http://www.pokemon.co.jp/zukan/commons/images/sid_large/592.pnghttp://www.pokemon.co.jp/zukan/commons/images/sid_large/627.png
How can you hate these?

EDIT: Just realised the pattern on Stunfisk's fins look like lightning bolts. Sweet.

One of them looks good enough to eat. In fact...

Stunfisk probably has some plan to take over the world, no one would ever expect it to plan anything like that, it's a genius.

MetalFlygon08
15th February 2011, 9:08 PM
No, Stunfisk created the world.

Maverik
15th February 2011, 9:33 PM
Wrong, Stunfisk is the world.

Dracoste
15th February 2011, 9:40 PM
Stunfisk was the world, years back when people still though that the world was flat.

Anyway, in which battle style is Stunfisk actually shining in? Rotation battles? Tripple battles? It is rather quite very slow, so I think it would be blazing fast/shine in a Trick room team.

bookist
15th February 2011, 9:44 PM
Wrong, Stunfish is the Earth, heavens and everything inbetween.

Valoo.
15th February 2011, 9:53 PM
To be honest, the Hoenn Pokemon (and Unova) are my favorites. They were outlandish, but creative, excellent and fun to use.

Sinnoh had too many evolutions of past Pokemon, and the "actual" Sinnoh Pokemon were just... bland.

My opinion, though. Can't argue with me, cos' it's my opinion.
I completely agree. Sinnoh had very few cool, strong pokemon that weren't normally there. (eg. Garchomp and Rampardos were good but we always have psuedos and fossils) Too many of the best Pokemon were past evolutions.
Hoenn had many cool Pokemon, like Aggron, Flygon, Gardevoir and Milotic.

Dr. Leggs
15th February 2011, 10:38 PM
Sinnoh definitely has its gems (Spiritomb, Drifblim, Empoleon, etc) but I do agree that Hoenn had a really stellar cast of Pokemon. Probably my second or third favourite generation.

I'm actually really excited to use Cryogonal on a Rotation team... It seems terribly underrated (though not without just cause) and I do love its design. I'd like to see what could be done with it.

aloemon
15th February 2011, 10:43 PM
Well its obvious that the new soulsilver and heartgold were a several year long plotting right after platinum they needed an easy not very new new idea to set us back for them to work on black and white but so far pics and vids arent saying much good about it

Maverik
15th February 2011, 10:44 PM
Well its obvious that the new soulsilver and heartgold were a several year long plotting right after platinum they needed an easy not very new new idea to set us back for them to work on black and white but so far pics and vids arent saying much good about it

Umm... what are you talking about?

Dr. Leggs
15th February 2011, 10:44 PM
Well its obvious that the new soulsilver and heartgold were a several year long plotting right after platinum they needed an easy not very new new idea to set us back for them to work on black and white but so far pics and vids arent saying much good about it

What are you actually saying?

GalladeX
15th February 2011, 10:45 PM
Well its obvious that the new soulsilver and heartgold were a several year long plotting right after platinum they needed an easy not very new new idea to set us back for them to work on black and white but so far pics and vids arent saying much good about it

How comfortable is it?

Living under a rock, that is.

Dracoste
15th February 2011, 10:46 PM
Well its obvious that the new soulsilver and heartgold were a several year long plotting right after platinum they needed an easy not very new new idea to set us back for them to work on black and white but so far pics and vids arent saying much good about it

Wait, what? Explain please.

aloemon
15th February 2011, 10:46 PM
okay so victini was a good start on new pokemon fire/physic but what i want is stuff like that like maybe a groung/elec type

Blazios
15th February 2011, 10:48 PM
okay so victini was a good start on new pokemon fire/physic but what i want is stuff like that like maybe a groung/elec type

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/zukan/commons/images/sid_large/627.png

Maverik
15th February 2011, 10:48 PM
okay so victini was a good start on new pokemon fire/physic but what i want is stuff like that like maybe a groung/elec type

Stunfisk.

Eelektross is pretty good too, but it's pure electric.

Dracoste
15th February 2011, 10:48 PM
okay so victini was a good start on new pokemon fire/physic but what i want is stuff like that like maybe a groung/elec type

Ground/elec type:Ninja'd
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/01/618Maggyo.png

Uhm, have you already saw all the pokémon this gen?

GalladeX
15th February 2011, 10:48 PM
okay so victini was a good start on new pokemon fire/physic but what i want is stuff like that like maybe a groung/elec type

...

Okay, you are definitely not up to date. In the slightest.

We have 156 new Pokemon, dude.
And amongst them, yes we do have a Ground/Electric type - Stunfisk.

The Eleventh
15th February 2011, 11:40 PM
Either a troll emerged from under its bridge, or has a hermit emerged from under its rock. Cos that person's not talking any sense whatsoever.

Xman96
15th February 2011, 11:57 PM
I think I would like a Ground/Electric type that was not Stunfisk. I am sorry but I have warmed up to all the other pokemon this gen except for Maractus and Stunfisk! I can't stand either of these.

ForeverFlame
15th February 2011, 11:59 PM
okay so victini was a good start on new pokemon fire/physic but what i want is stuff like that like maybe a groung/elec type

Lol, people wanted Ground/Electric, and Gamefreak shat out Stunfisk. It's pretty sad stuff.

Sabonea_Masukippa
16th February 2011, 12:18 AM
Stunfisk is supposed to be ugly and derpy so you under estimate it.

Also, you first find it in shallow water, with Palpitoad. Since Masuda has stated he wanted players to not know what types certain Pokemon were when first encountered I presume you're supposed to think it's a water type (like Shelmet) and attack it with Grass or Electricity and then have the cwap beaten out of you by the giggling derp.

Umbreon9
16th February 2011, 12:22 AM
Woooow, Stunfisk haters.
Otherwise known as EVERYONE.

Victini is awesome, and the only legendary I'm going to really use other than Reshiram.

Maverik
16th February 2011, 12:23 AM
Stunfisk's Sugimori art actually makes him look pretty badgrass...

BW202
16th February 2011, 12:29 AM
Well its obvious that the new soulsilver and heartgold were a several year long plotting right after platinum they needed an easy not very new new idea to set us back for them to work on black and white but so far pics and vids arent saying much good about it

What is this? I don't even...

Did you enjoy your two weeks of education?

Blueysicle
16th February 2011, 12:33 AM
Stunfisk is supposed to be ugly and derpy so you under estimate it.

And to be fair, real-life flounders aren't exactly the world's most beautiful creatures.

Sabonea_Masukippa
16th February 2011, 12:35 AM
^Pretty much this.

http://www.flounder.tv/img/upload/flounder-600.jpg

Umbreon9
16th February 2011, 12:40 AM
^Pretty much this.

http://www.flounder.tv/img/upload/flounder-600.jpg
Stunfisk is the cutest thing in the world compared to that. ;349;

SasakiThePikachu
16th February 2011, 12:47 AM
^Pretty much this.

http://www.flounder.tv/img/upload/flounder-600.jpg

I was curious, so I googled imaged 'flounder face'.

My reaction?

OH HOLY JESUS GOD NO!! MOTHER NATURE IS NOT KIND! SHE IS NOT KIND!! *curls up in corner rocking and weeping*

Yeah, Stunfisk is pretty darn adorable compared to that. I'm going to write a very strong-worded letter to Disney now. Flounder from the Little Mermaid was highly misleading.

And how did I not notice this before - Vanillite is so delicious that it's making itself drool.

jwla
16th February 2011, 3:07 AM
Am I the only one who actually likes Stunfisk? It's got a nice type combination. It's stats might not be the best, but it's interesting. To me, at least.

Missingno. Master
16th February 2011, 4:19 AM
^Pretty much this.

http://www.flounder.tv/img/upload/flounder-600.jpg

Oh, my Arceus! The crap I took this morning is cuter than that thing!

I like Stunfisk, though. It doesn't have bad stats, though- you just gotta know what to do with its stats. It has nice HP and Special Defense, and access to Curse. It learns Stone Edge, Earthquake, and Payback.

Weaver_8
16th February 2011, 4:31 AM
^Pretty much this.

http://www.flounder.tv/img/upload/flounder-600.jpg

My Lord... that... that thing... it's the most... ADORABLE ABOMINATION I HAVE EVER SEEN! Sorry for that everyone, but seriously if Stunfisk is based off of this I must say I'm surprised he didn't come out cuter. To tell the truth I was told Stunfisk was based off of a Stargazerhttp://cloud.aquaviews.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/stargazer1.jpg. Isn't it just darling :3

Cobalt_Latios
16th February 2011, 4:50 AM
I think I would like a Ground/Electric type that was not Stunfisk. I am sorry but I have warmed up to all the other pokemon this gen except for Maractus and Stunfisk! I can't stand either of these.
Hey! Stunfish is our only Flounder! I was hoping for it to be a torpedo ray: http://www.designerm.com/uploaded_images/DSC_7897a-704199.jpg, but hey, you make do with what you get.


Stunfisk is supposed to be ugly and derpy so you under estimate it.
That, and real Flounders hide under sand, so you never really see most of it anyways. Part of the idea I suppose.


Stunfisk's Sugimori art actually makes him look pretty badgrass...
I was pretty surprised too.


Am I the only one who actually likes Stunfisk? It's got a nice type combination. It's stats might not be the best, but it's interesting. To me, at least.
Heck no! I like it too, it's the closest thing we have to some of those more obscure fish (although, GF, gen 6, please give me a Sturgeon. Rock/Water, or Steel/Water, or something, I don't care. I just want one!.


My Lord... that... that thing... it's the most... ADORABLE ABOMINATION I HAVE EVER SEEN! Sorry for that everyone, but seriously if Stunfisk is based off of this I must say I'm surprised he didn't come out cuter. To tell the truth I was told Stunfisk was based off of a Stargazerhttp://cloud.aquaviews.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/stargazer1.jpg. Isn't it just darling :3
GYAH!! Okay, that was freaky.

Also, the Flounder that ol' Stunfish is based off of has a few "relatives":

Sole (http://www.chartingnature.com/img%5Cfish%5C3090-Rock-Sole.jpg), Plaice (http://www.fishandchips.info/pics/menu_obrazky/big/Plaice.jpg),

/CL

Weaver_8
16th February 2011, 5:04 AM
GYAH!! Okay, that was freaky.

Also, the Flounder that ol' Stunfish is based off of has a few "relatives":

Sole (http://www.chartingnature.com/img%5Cfish%5C3090-Rock-Sole.jpg), Plaice (http://www.fishandchips.info/pics/menu_obrazky/big/Plaice.jpg),

/CL

Dang Stunfisk has a lot interesting "relatives". You know this makes me wonder, how many other Pokemon have multiple possible origins for their appearance. Thanks for the links by the way, I found them quite sweet.

Missingno. Master
16th February 2011, 5:18 AM
You know this makes me wonder, how many other Pokemon have multiple possible origins for their appearance.

Well, let's take Munna for instance. Tapir, incense burner, piggy bank, something some lass said in Generation I about how she wished there'd be a pink Pokemon with a floral pattern, the possibilities are endless, really.

Weaver_8
16th February 2011, 5:27 AM
Well, let's take Munna for instance. Tapir, incense burner, piggy bank, something some lass said in Generation I about how she wished there'd be a pink Pokemon with a floral pattern, the possibilities are endless, really.

Wow, my little Munna is certainly well rounded :3 Thanks for bringing that up.

Ash-kid
16th February 2011, 10:41 AM
More DS & BW info and a report about the Game Freak rumor
http://www.kotaku.jp/2011/02/pokemon_no_gray.html

Sabonea_Masukippa
16th February 2011, 10:47 AM
^Yay, now the Japanese press has got a hold of that quote too. -___-

SasakiThePikachu
16th February 2011, 2:52 PM
Celebi UK event finally announced...and not in Game stores anywhere remotely NEAR the southwest.

Thanks for the big middle finger up, Ninty. *scowls*

Woohoo for the crown beasts event...I can get a female Zoroark and breed it. Zorua shall be mine eventually!

Weaver_8...your concept of what is 'cute' scares me ^^;;

Porygandrew
16th February 2011, 3:09 PM
^Yay, now the Japanese press has got a hold of that quote too. -___-

Just goes to show the difference between bloggers, reporters, and actual journalists ;p

Kariachi
16th February 2011, 3:13 PM
My Lord... that... that thing... it's the most... ADORABLE ABOMINATION I HAVE EVER SEEN! Sorry for that everyone, but seriously if Stunfisk is based off of this I must say I'm surprised he didn't come out cuter. To tell the truth I was told Stunfisk was based off of a Stargazerhttp://cloud.aquaviews.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/stargazer1.jpg. Isn't it just darling :3

Awww!! I want one now!! I will have to get a Stunfisk and name it Stargazer, thanks a lot!

Xman96
16th February 2011, 3:16 PM
Heck no! I like it too, it's the closest thing we have to some of those more obscure fish (although, GF, gen 6, please give me a Sturgeon. Rock/Water, or Steel/Water, or something, I don't care. I just want one!.

Now I could get behind the Sturgeon idea. You know I am actually kind of sad for the release. All of the hype and speculation will be over, and I find that is half the fun. I mean it will be four more years before gen. six. Could be even longer. Oh well, I still can't wait for March 6th. :)

Rowdy
16th February 2011, 3:50 PM
Celebi UK event finally announced...and not in Game stores anywhere remotely NEAR the southwest.

Thanks for the big middle finger up, Ninty. *scowls*

Woohoo for the crown beasts event...I can get a female Zoroark and breed it. Zorua shall be mine eventually!

Weaver_8...your concept of what is 'cute' scares me ^^;;

I may be wrong, but aren't you guys and gals over in England also getting Celebi as a WiFi download like the Crown Beast event? If so, then there's still hope.

Dracoste
16th February 2011, 4:00 PM
I may be wrong, but aren't you guys and gals over in England also getting Celebi as a WiFi download like the Crown Beast event? If so, then there's still hope.

According towards the update on Tuesday 11 Jan. Serebii said: "In addition to this, they also announced that Europe will also be getting Celebi soon, but didn't provide further details." There was nothing said about an Wi-Fi event.

Rose Storm
16th February 2011, 4:18 PM
Which is a shame, really, but at least the Meadowhall is roughly 40 minutes away. How I'm going to explain why I'm going there, I've yet to figure out... I never go clothes shopping and that's practically 90% of the Meadowhall.

CaptainCombusken
16th February 2011, 5:01 PM
Closest to me is Reading... great. I don't really want to go to Reading just for a Celebii so I can get Zorua... I really want a Wifi event...
I hope the Crown beasts are a Wifi event and that they last until a little bit after the 3DS is released. Cos otherwise, my chances of getting Zorua and Zoroark are very low.

I like Stunfisk, but I already have a Ground type and an Electric type that I like more (Excadrill and Galvantula). Plus I'm not a huge fan of using Standalones. And he's obtainable too late in the game for my liking.

GaZsTiC
16th February 2011, 5:18 PM
20 minute drive to the Glasgow Fort?

...Can't really be bothered.

Dracoste
16th February 2011, 5:38 PM
I hope the Crown beasts are a Wifi event and that they last until a little bit after the 3DS is released. Cos otherwise, my chances of getting Zorua and Zoroark are very low.

The Crown beasts are now downloadable, the last one, suicune stops at Februari 27th.

The Eleventh
16th February 2011, 5:53 PM
Oh for God's sake. I hate Nintendo for stuff like this. There isn't even an event in my country (Ireland)!!! This drives me crazy; I pay money for a game, and then can't play it to its full extent because the publisher decides not to let me. Evil Nintendo.

Green Blockhead
16th February 2011, 7:10 PM
Hey guys, uh, this may be a stupid question, and may be not related, but what Godzilla monster does Zekrom look like? See, I'm planning to get White if stupid GameFreak won't slide a third game through.

Tyrannotaur
16th February 2011, 7:36 PM
Which is a shame, really, but at least the Meadowhall is roughly 40 minutes away. How I'm going to explain why I'm going there, I've yet to figure out... I never go clothes shopping and that's practically 90% of the Meadowhall.

A great man once said "Honesty is the best policy."



Hey guys, uh, this may be a stupid question, and may be not related, but what Godzilla monster does Zekrom look like? See, I'm planning to get White if stupid GameFreak won't slide a third game through.

Just do a search on wikipedia or google for kaiju. Why do you ask? Gonna nickname it after him or something?

-;248;

SasakiThePikachu
16th February 2011, 8:52 PM
Oh for God's sake. I hate Nintendo for stuff like this. There isn't even an event in my country (Ireland)!!! This drives me crazy; I pay money for a game, and then can't play it to its full extent because the publisher decides not to let me. Evil Nintendo.

Sympathy hugs!! I'm not shocked that I don't have a Celebi event anywhere near me (nothing good ever comes to the southwest of england), but the fact that the Arceus event came to Plymouth really had my hopes up for a minute. Dang.

Do you not even get the Crown Beasts wifi event in Ireland? If not then I have a box full, I could spare one for you :)

ForeverFlame
16th February 2011, 9:41 PM
I hate how everybody who's anti-Fifth Generation uses the "GARBAGE BAG AND ICECREAM POKEMON ARE UNORIGINAL" argument. Ditto looked like a piece of chewing gum. Pineco was a pinecone with eyes. Rotom could be a bunch of household appliances.

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with a poison-type garbage bag. Grimer and Muk were piles of sludge. Poison-types aren't overly detailed to begin with. And though they're of different types, the Vanilla trio are comparable to the Eggsecute line.

Valoo.
16th February 2011, 9:42 PM
Sympathy hugs!! I'm not shocked that I don't have a Celebi event anywhere near me (nothing good ever comes to the southwest of england), but the fact that the Arceus event came to Plymouth really had my hopes up for a minute. Dang.

Do you not even get the Crown Beasts wifi event in Ireland? If not then I have a box full, I could spare one for you :)

You can get it here (I live there too). But I've only once seen a non-wifi event here...and it was 3 hours away :( I just wish I could get my wifi working or my planned team will be thrown into disarray.

gliscor&yanmega
16th February 2011, 10:00 PM
I hate how everybody who's anti-Fifth Generation uses the "GARBAGE BAG AND ICECREAM POKEMON ARE UNORIGINAL" argument. Ditto looked like a piece of chewing gum. Pineco was a pinecone with eyes. Rotom could be a bunch of household appliances.

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with a poison-type garbage bag. Grimer and Muk were piles of sludge. Poison-types aren't overly detailed to begin with. And though they're of different types, the Vanilla trio are comparable to the Eggsecute line.

Trubbish, Garbodor, Vanillite, Vanillish, and Vanilluxe are all awesome though. And originality is a matter of opinion really, to me those 5 Pokemon are pretty original. I like them, they're not favorites of mine but I have no bad things to say about them.

Haters just like to hate.

The Eleventh
16th February 2011, 10:05 PM
Sympathy hugs!! I'm not shocked that I don't have a Celebi event anywhere near me (nothing good ever comes to the southwest of england), but the fact that the Arceus event came to Plymouth really had my hopes up for a minute. Dang.

Do you not even get the Crown Beasts wifi event in Ireland? If not then I have a box full, I could spare one for you :)

I can get the Crown Beasts, and have done so so far. Thanks for the offer, though, I appreciate it. :D

Sponge
16th February 2011, 10:43 PM
Sympathy hugs!! I'm not shocked that I don't have a Celebi event anywhere near me (nothing good ever comes to the southwest of england), but the fact that the Arceus event came to Plymouth really had my hopes up for a minute. Dang.

Do you not even get the Crown Beasts wifi event in Ireland? If not then I have a box full, I could spare one for you :)

No we get all wifi events here in Ireland (I got the Raikou on the last day in the nick of time :o and I got my Entei yesterday! :D)

It sucks about the Celebi.....I have a japanese version of that same Celebi that I got from a giveaway and it worked in my game (allowing me to go back in time and fight Giovanni) Will the Celebi work in Pokemon White too? For some reason I'm worried it won't work because it's not english...

Even if it doesn't work I can still get a Zoroark and breed for a Zorua. :)

The Eleventh
16th February 2011, 11:44 PM
I'm so disappointed with this. Yeah, fine, I'll be able to get Zorua by breeding, but I won't have Celebi, nor will I have activated those events. Some have waited 10 years for Celebi, and this is how they're thanked. It's a disgrace, really. Fans should be able to enjoy their game to its full extent. Just look at all the negative comments: Link (http://forums.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=77802)

SasakiThePikachu
16th February 2011, 11:45 PM
I can get the Crown Beasts, and have done so so far. Thanks for the offer, though, I appreciate it. :D

No worries :D

Yeah, it sucks that Nintendo just conveniently forget large regions of their fanbase when it comes to events, but hell, thank god for wifi right? Back in the old days you literally had to hop a bus to London/New York/Tokyo, or else you did not get squat.

Sponge...I heard any Celebi with 'fateful encounter' would activate the Giovanni event, but I don't know about the Zorua event...

Lorde
16th February 2011, 11:48 PM
Do you not even get the Crown Beasts wifi event in Ireland? If not then I have a box full, I could spare one for you :)

You better hook me up. I mean, how very generous of you. I've heard that some people will be having trouble with the Celebi event as well, so I've already planned to trade some around to people who can't get the Celebi themselves. I might also breed a bunch of Zorua when the English games come out and I'll just give some of those away to people who are eager for a Zorua. I believe you get to see a picture of a Zorua in Castelia City, so people who can't get the Celebi can also just trade for one via the GTS. They could also just breed the Zoroark from the Shiny Beast event and get a Zorua that way. There are tons of options available, really.

SasakiThePikachu
16th February 2011, 11:59 PM
Spread the love, Kira, spread the love ;)

Whoa, there are a lot of angry people on that message board. Maybe Nintendo will take note...although I seriously doubt they care, just so long as we're buying the games. Question - is this what they mean when they say 'hacked' pokemon:

http://www.500mb.us/pkm.php

Someone on that board posted that link saying you could get an event Celebi there. Dubious, much?

Dracoste
17th February 2011, 12:04 AM
I've heard that some people will be having trouble with the Celebi event as well, so I've already planned to trade some around to people who can't get the Celebi themselves. I might also breed a bunch of Zorua when the English games come out and I'll just give some of those away to people who are eager for a Zorua. I believe you get to see a picture of a Zorua in Castelia City, so people who can't get the Celebi can also just trade for one via the GTS. They could also just breed the Zoroark from the Shiny Beast event and get a Zorua that way. There are tons of options available, really.

All you need to make people happy is multiple cartriges and acces to Wi-Fi.

vikingsteve
17th February 2011, 1:22 AM
I hate how everybody who's anti-Fifth Generation uses the "GARBAGE BAG AND ICECREAM POKEMON ARE UNORIGINAL" argument. Ditto looked like a piece of chewing gum. Pineco was a pinecone with eyes. Rotom could be a bunch of household appliances.

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with a poison-type garbage bag. Grimer and Muk were piles of sludge. Poison-types aren't overly detailed to begin with. And though they're of different types, the Vanilla trio are comparable to the Eggsecute line.

Wouldn't mind a poison haymaker... I know Poison types aren't exactly the hardest matchups to counter, but dammit I LOVED Muk. That dude was a pimp in R/B/Y/G/S/C.


He's still probably the best Poison type there is too. :(



Poison type needs more love in the 6th gen.

Cobalt_Latios
17th February 2011, 1:42 AM
You better hook me up. I mean, how very generous of you. I've heard that some people will be having trouble with the Celebi event as well, so I've already planned to trade some around to people who can't get the Celebi themselves. I might also breed a bunch of Zorua when the English games come out and I'll just give some of those away to people who are eager for a Zorua. I believe you get to see a picture of a Zorua in Castelia City, so people who can't get the Celebi can also just trade for one via the GTS. They could also just breed the Zoroark from the Shiny Beast event and get a Zorua that way. There are tons of options available, really.
Despite the fact that I have (still have) a crown beast, and will probably be getting Celebi from EB Games (or wifi, I ain't picky), I'm still getting a Zorua in trade from Clamps. At least, I hope the offer still stands. This was back when I thought for sure Canada would be gypped.


All you need to make people happy is multiple cartriges and acces to Wi-Fi.
Hey! I have that!

In fact, if I can send Celebi to Diamond/Platinum as well, then the instance that I get Celebi on those carts, I'm sending on to whoever needs it in this topic.

I just need one, and I'm guaranteed to be getting Zoroark anyways.

/CL

Ausgirl
17th February 2011, 1:48 AM
So apparently there might not be a Pokemon Gray version. What do you all think of this?

SHIFTER01
17th February 2011, 1:53 AM
So apparently there might not be a Pokemon Gray version. What do you all think of this?

-_-
of course it might not be Gray. it could be Crimson, Chrome or hell, even Brown. all that's certain is THERE WILL BE A THIRD VERSION.

;136; Dude

Ausgirl
17th February 2011, 1:57 AM
all that's certain is THERE WILL BE A THIRD VERSION.

http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Black_and_White_not_to_be_followed_by_a_third_vers ion

SnugNBouncy
17th February 2011, 2:00 AM
So apparently there might not be a Pokemon Gray version. What do you all think of this?

There's gonna be a gray version. Don't scare the children.

rocky505
17th February 2011, 2:19 AM
Don't say Gre(a)y version until we get official confirmed info of the third games name just call it third version for now.

A_Merry_Snowrunt
17th February 2011, 2:19 AM
So apparently there might not be a Pokemon Gray version. What do you all think of this?

There WILL be a third version, whether or not TPCI wants us to buy Black and White while waiting. I did wait for Platinum rather buying DP, but I got a DS late in the series. Though I can see it being Crimson rather Gray.

Maverik
17th February 2011, 2:19 AM
http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Black_and_White_not_to_be_followed_by_a_third_vers ion

It's marketing, bro.

"Hey, we're gonna' sell what we consider to be a great game, but there's going to be an improved version so don't bother buying this one."

Take that news with a grain of salt- or just one NaCl.


Though I can see it being Crimson rather Gray.

Please tell me why it makes more sense being Crimson.

Grei
17th February 2011, 2:21 AM
Rocky, stop. People can call this hypothetical game whatever they want. If it ends up not being Grey, so be it. But there's no name for it now, so if people call it "Grey" then that's perfectly fine.


http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Black_and_White_not_to_be_followed_by_a_third_vers ion

See my signature.

This "no 3rd version" crap is just that--crap. Do you honestly think that a company that is leading up to releasing a new game is going to say "Hey! BTW, we're totally making a better version of this a few months from now!"? That's poor marketing.

rocky505
17th February 2011, 2:23 AM
We most likely won't be seeing any news about the 3rd game until around March-April next year.

Ausgirl
17th February 2011, 2:53 AM
Don't say Gre(a)y version until we get official confirmed info of the third games name just call it third version for now.
I'll call it by it's fan name thanks, until we get an official title.


It's marketing, bro.

"Hey, we're gonna' sell what we consider to be a great game, but there's going to be an improved version so don't bother buying this one."

Take that news with a grain of salt- or just one NaCl.

That's what I thought too, although I don't know how Gray is going to fit in with the Yin and Yang theme.

Mr. Marowak
17th February 2011, 2:53 AM
Third game? Yes. Any more OFFICIAL information? 'Fraid not. Call it Gray, Crimson, Stripes, even Pokémon: "Chocolate Milk with a Side of Fresh-Baked Cyan Crayons, Version," for all I care. Nobody can prove anyone else wrong until the information is OFFICIALLY released. As for me, I'm going to go pre-order Pokémon: Chocolate Milk With a Side of Fresh-Baked Cyan Crayons Version. All while humming "Camptown Ladies" in F# Major, and while wearing an Indigo Long-sleeve T-Shirt with 40 rubber chickens stapled to it. (stapled by the heads) My pants will have pictures of X-Box 360 controllers and giant soft pretzels all over, and my hat will have a plush Marowak sitting on top.

How's THAT for a random idea?
Back to topic! If it isn't official, it can be ANYTHING!!!

StarlightMew
17th February 2011, 4:14 AM
I disagree due to one thing: Tepig's line, third fire-starter line introduced in a row that becomes a Fire and Fighting type.
They can point to whatever regional warrior they want to as the inspiration for the Tepig line and claim that makes it different but the fact remains it is the same type combination as the Torchic line and the Chimchar line.
...If they really want one of the starters to end up part fighting type what's wrong with doing it with one of the others?


I agree, I would have liked to see a different type combination (maybe fire/dark?). Well the Tepig line is certianly unique looking but I agree about the concept being the same as 3rd and 4th generation. I actually had an idea with a sheep/ram line and maybe make them fire/steel or fire/dark. Just my opinion.


Heck no! I like it too, it's the closest thing we have to some of those more obscure fish (although, GF, gen 6, please give me a Sturgeon. Rock/Water, or Steel/Water, or something, I don't care. I just want one!.

Yes Sturgeon would be awesome!!!


Third game? Yes. Any more OFFICIAL information? 'Fraid not. Call it Gray, Crimson, Stripes, even Pokémon: "Chocolate Milk with a Side of Fresh-Baked Cyan Crayons, Version," for all I care.

Haha agree! But gray could be a valid prediction because Kyurem could be the featured pokemon?

SHIFTER01
17th February 2011, 4:17 AM
Haha agree! But gray could be a valid prediction because Kyurem could be the featured pokemon?

shameless self-quote.

reasoning for crimson that actually kinda makes sense:
Reshiram is white. it is the box legend of Black. Zekrom is black. it is the box legend of White. Kyurem is blue/gray. it should be the box legend of Crimson.
the other two contrast, why should Kyurem have to blend in?
I rest my case

;136; Dude

Grei
17th February 2011, 4:19 AM
Blue/Grey looks absolutely disgusting on Crimson, though. Unless they made it a really dark, glossy crimson, I don't see Game Freak doing that. Seriously, those colors together form a putrid combination.

Dr. Leggs
17th February 2011, 4:21 AM
So 'durhur reshy and zekky are on the wrong boxes' = Crimson over Grey?

Nice try.

SHIFTER01
17th February 2011, 4:25 AM
So 'durhur reshy and zekky are on the wrong boxes' = Crimson over Grey?

Nice try.

I acknowledge the yin/yang aspect of the games, and no I do not believe them to be on the wrong boxes. you're making assumptions.


Blue/Grey looks absolutely disgusting on Crimson, though. Unless they made it a really dark, glossy crimson, I don't see Game Freak doing that. Seriously, those colors together form a putrid combination.

that's just, like, your opinion, man.

edit: I realize I may be using the wrong color name. this is more what I mean by crimson, as inaccurate as it is. it's better than gray at any rate.

;136; Dude

rocky505
17th February 2011, 4:25 AM
So 'durhur reshy and zekky are on the wrong boxes' = Crimson over Grey?

Nice try. It very well could but we won't know for sure for a while.

Grei
17th February 2011, 4:42 AM
It very well could but we won't know for sure for a while.

So until then, it'll be called Grey.

Since... Grey doesn't look disgusting. :)

SHIFTER01
17th February 2011, 5:03 AM
admit it, you'd still buy even if it wasn't Gray.

;136; Dude

BCVM22
17th February 2011, 5:06 AM
I don't think anyone's intimated that they will or won't buy any potential future core titles on the sole basis of their name(s).

blastoise kid
17th February 2011, 5:11 AM
Honestly Crimson doesn't make any sense for the next game installment....Grey makes way more sense than Crimson. The odds of it being called crimson are very low..

Rose Storm
17th February 2011, 5:12 AM
I keep thinking Chrome for the third game, but that idea's probably been floating around for a while. I don't think Grey/Gray will be the name, it sounds too bland and uninteresting (though you could argue the same case for Black and White).
Either way, the name shouldn't stop anybody from buying it. As long as they don't mess up the storyline, which I don't think they will after B/W's amazing one (IMO), it'll be just as popular, if not more than the previous games.

ArchedThunder
17th February 2011, 5:13 AM
That's what I thought too, although I don't know how Gray is going to fit in with the Yin and Yang theme.
You don't know much about Taoism do you? Look up Wuji.

Serebii!
17th February 2011, 6:14 AM
I was just looking at the areas and I noticed that all (or most) male trainers have male pokemon and Female trainers have female pokemon, has it always been like this in previous games? Sorry if someone else pointed it out

Adrexus
17th February 2011, 7:09 AM
I was just looking at the areas and I noticed that all (or most) male trainers have male pokemon and Female trainers have female pokemon, has it always been like this in previous games? Sorry if someone else pointed it out

Yep, been this way since the 2nd generation bro. Although if a species has a higher ration of being male or female, then the trainer will usually have the dominant gender.

Green Blockhead
17th February 2011, 8:29 AM
Just do a search on wikipedia or google for kaiju. Why do you ask? Gonna nickname it after him or something?

-;248;

If it looks like a monster from the Godzilla movies then yes.

rocky505
17th February 2011, 1:13 PM
So until then, it'll be called Grey.

Since... Grey doesn't look disgusting. :) Grey seems like disgusting color to me though and a lame one too. How is Crimson disgusting anyway it is a pretty color.

SasakiThePikachu
17th February 2011, 2:44 PM
Grey seems like disgusting color to me though and a lame one too. How is Crimson disgusting anyway it is a pretty color.

But we've already had red, firered, and ruby, so the chances of them doing another colour in that line is slim. It doesn't make any sense that the 3rd game of the 5th gen would be called crimson anyway, especially as this is the 'monochrome' generation...

TurtwigFan1
17th February 2011, 3:03 PM
Grey seems more reasonable to me but I understand the crimson argument. But it just doesn't really gel with Black and White :P Plus grey's in between black and white (ish) so it makes even more sense.

Foxeaf
17th February 2011, 3:13 PM
*jumps in*

I can't help but think that whoever designed Snivy is probably showing off to everyone. Same goes with Litwik. lol
Anyone else think that the design team expect certain Pokemon to be popular when they release them?

Rose Storm
17th February 2011, 5:26 PM
I'm pretty sure the designers expect some Pokemon to be liked more than others. I still question whether the person who made Garbodor thought it was going to be popular, though...

To be honest, I don't think they can predict which ones will be popular, but the starters are almost always popular among the majority of people. As for Litwick... I'm not sure, that one just turned out to be popular anyway. It's one of those universal favourites that nobody really hates.

Kariachi
17th February 2011, 6:00 PM
I still say the third game is gonna be Sepia, or some other shade of brown.

And Garbodor rocks.

Dr. Leggs
17th February 2011, 6:11 PM
The fact that you think grey is lame and ugly and crimson is neither is completely subjective, your own opinion, and does not suffice as any solid reasoning as to why Crimson could, should or would be picked over Grey.

tmega90
17th February 2011, 7:01 PM
I like Garbodor! It is cool in its own way. Its not my favorite Pokemon, but it is still pretty cool.

SharpedoSteve
17th February 2011, 7:29 PM
I wouldn't mind one of those baby Zorua's when B/W finally comes out XD, due to my router only using WPA and not being able to connect with any of my games (though i do now have a DSi and when B/W comes out i can use get the Victini pass) but it's too late for me too get the Crown Beats/Celebii, so any Zorua would be greeeeatly appreciated.

paddylad
17th February 2011, 7:40 PM
I wouldn't mind one of those baby Zorua's when B/W finally comes out XD, due to my router only using WPA and not being able to connect with any of my games (though i do now have a DSi and when B/W comes out i can use get the Victini pass) but it's too late for me too get the Crown Beats/Celebii, so any Zorua would be greeeeatly appreciated.

Well Zorua is breedable, so it shouldn't be too difficult to trade for.

Lorde
17th February 2011, 7:43 PM
I wouldn't mind one of those baby Zorua's when B/W finally comes out XD, due to my router only using WPA and not being able to connect with any of my games (though i do now have a DSi and when B/W comes out i can use get the Victini pass) but it's too late for me too get the Crown Beats/Celebii, so any Zorua would be greeeeatly appreciated.

I'm sure that Zorua will manage to spread around due to the GTS and Wi-Fi trading. I'm actually expecting it to become very common once the English games are out. I know for a fact that I'll be doing my part to spread as many Zorua as I can. I plan on keeping my own Zorua that I get from the Celebi event, but I'm going to be breeding some Zorua from the Japanese Wi-Fi Zoroark. Zorua with Bark Out. Won't that be lovely? I figure that people will appreciate those a lot more since the TM for Bark Out isn't available yet.

SharpedoSteve
17th February 2011, 8:01 PM
The only problem i could see with it being on the GTS is people wanting something completely stupid out of the trade, the one time i did manage to get on the GTS it was full it XD but there is bound to be some reasonable people putting up a Zorua on there so will no doubt check it out. Thanks for the reply's any ways guy's :D

AmusedMilk
17th February 2011, 9:03 PM
Haxorus or Hydreigon? Hmmmm...

tmega90
17th February 2011, 9:23 PM
Haxorus or Hydreigon? Hmmmm...

I like Haxorus, it is really cool. I really like how it looks. I like the blades on its face. Hydreigon is really cool to though. I like how it is a Hydra.

iLoveDratinis
17th February 2011, 9:25 PM
I love any mother trucking dragon.

Chibi_Muffin
17th February 2011, 9:54 PM
Haxorus or Hydreigon? Hmmmm...

I'm getting both. =]

Haxorus is easier to get both early on and evolution. Hydreigon has an interesting type combo and moves. It's your choice.

smashbro77
17th February 2011, 10:12 PM
how far in game do can you get haxorus's and hydreigons first evolution like gym wise
i already know you get uragamosus pre evo pretty far in the game which is a shame cuz i really wanted it on my team but i doubt it now

SHIFTER01
17th February 2011, 10:26 PM
Axew can be caught after (before? forget if you can get surf before beating Clay) the 5th gym, but Deino is only available in victory road

;136; Dude

Poke_Mania97
17th February 2011, 10:55 PM
Grey seems more reasonable to me but I understand the crimson argument. But it just doesn't really gel with Black and White :P Plus grey's in between black and white (ish) so it makes even more sense.

ah then again crystal didnt go with gold or silver.

Xman96
17th February 2011, 10:57 PM
Haxorus on Black and Hydreigon on White. :) I will send a Lvl. 1 Deino to my White version when I finish Black.

kaiser soze
17th February 2011, 11:19 PM
I'm not really excited at haxorus's moveset, mostly just dragon and normal. Not many supereffectives unless you're up against a dragon. Hydreigon can learn dragon, dark, rock, flying, surf, but after all it is the pseudo-legendary

-Shadow!
17th February 2011, 11:27 PM
Hey, what are your thoughts about the next wi-fi event (in Japan)? I think it will be Melloeta or Genosect...

The Eleventh
17th February 2011, 11:33 PM
Pokémon Black and White got 95% in the Official Nintendo Magazine! Very, very high! HGSS got 94%, while DPPt got 92%.

Hey, what are your thoughts about the next wi-fi event (in Japan)? I think it will be Melloeta or Genosect...
I think the next Wi-Fi event in Japan will be Keldeo.

Sabonea_Masukippa
17th February 2011, 11:35 PM
Hey, what are your thoughts about the next wi-fi event (in Japan)? I think it will be Melloeta or Genosect...

My money's on Keldeo, unless the recent half-rumor about him being released through the next Ranger game turns out to be true.

river-wolf
17th February 2011, 11:42 PM
My money's on Keldeo, unless the recent half-rumor about him being released through the next Ranger game turns out to be true.

I really hope if and when they offer Keldeo for the English versions, it isn't just through Ranger. I will be extremely angry if that's true, because aside from Zorua and Zoroark, it's the event pokemon I'm looking forward to most.

SasakiThePikachu
18th February 2011, 12:08 AM
I'm not really excited at haxorus's moveset, mostly just dragon and normal. Not many supereffectives unless you're up against a dragon. Hydreigon can learn dragon, dark, rock, flying, surf, but after all it is the pseudo-legendary

Yeah, I was disappointed too, but movepool aside, its attack is through the friggin roof, so what you lose with one hand you gain with the other...

And why choose? I'm having Haxorus on my Black team and hyrdeigon on White! Dragon love FTW!

rocky505
18th February 2011, 12:46 AM
Seems like Yin Yang is not the only theme in BW and this also gives Grey a better chance. What color do clouds become? White,Black and Grey. White= I guess Summer days that are boiling hot,Black=thunderstorms,Grey=Snow,sleet. Plus most of the towns and cities are named after clouds.

Ophie
18th February 2011, 12:49 AM
Well its obvious that the new soulsilver and heartgold were a several year long plotting right after platinum they needed an easy not very new new idea to set us back for them to work on black and white but so far pics and vids arent saying much good about it

Translation:
The desire to satiate Pokémon enthusiasts over the 2008-2010 period spurred the developers to make one more entry to the series. They specifically desired to remake something, due to their low risk factor and quick production cycle, and thus they created HeartGold and SoulSilver. This would distract us long enough for them to develop Black and White unbothered. However, I remain unimpressed by these latest projects, based on the images and videos I have viewed thus far.


Fire/Ground would have at least made him interesting and unique. It's not like Nintendo will never make a pokemon with a four times weakness. If they make another generation with a fire/fighting starter, I'll... do something. Samurott should have been part rock (again, not like they've never made a four times weakness) and Serperior has too limited of a moveset.

If Game Freak makes a fourth consecutive Fire/Fighting starter, I'd...laugh. Because the bile everyone will sling around will be hilarious to watch from a distance. And by then, I know Game Freak is doing this just to see the fans go mad.


20 minute drive to the Glasgow Fort?

...Can't really be bothered.

Come on, is 20 minutes too much for you? I live by the infamous Interstate 405, where it takes 20 minutes to get to the next highway exit.


Yeah, Stunfisk is pretty darn adorable compared to that. I'm going to write a very strong-worded letter to Disney now. Flounder from the Little Mermaid was highly misleading.

And how did I not notice this before - Vanillite is so delicious that it's making itself drool.

Flounder from The Little Mermaid is likely a fry. Flounders, when born, have bilateral symmetry most other fish have. Their version of puberty involves their bodies flattening and one eye moving to the other side of their bodies.


Stunfisk was the world, years back when people still though that the world was flat.

Anyway, in which battle style is Stunfisk actually shining in? Rotation battles? Tripple battles? It is rather quite very slow, so I think it would be blazing fast/shine in a Trick room team.

It looks like it has its uses in both triple battles and rotation battles, though it has an edge in rotation battles. For triples (and doubles), you have Muddy Water. You could theoretically go with Discharge too, but you'll have to cover your teammates (as Stunfisk is already a Ground-type), and Wide Guard will not help you against your own attacks. Here, you should go with Limber because Stunfisk may get attacked more than once per turn, and contact moves done to it could inflict Paralysis.

On the other hand, you could EV-train Stunfisk in Special Attack and Special Defense. If you think the opponent will use a special attack, you rotate to Stunfisk and strike them with Yawn, Swagger, Thunder Wave, or even Bide if you're willing to take the risk. Since very few special attacks are contact moves, if there are any at all, you're better off with Limber.

Lorde
18th February 2011, 12:51 AM
Hey, what are your thoughts about the next wi-fi event (in Japan)? I think it will be Melloeta or Genosect...

I think that the next Wi-Fi event in Japan is going to be an anime Pokemon. They've really been distributing Pokemon that belong to the main characters from the anime recently (like Scraggy), and I think they'll continue doing that. They'll also probably distribute some random Pokemon just like how they distributed that one event Kumasyun a few months ago. I don't expect them to distribute Keldeo, Meloetta, or Genesect via Wi-Fi for years to come. That's just the way I see it.

Maverik
18th February 2011, 12:52 AM
Seems like Yin Yang is not the only theme in BW and this also gives Grey a better chance. What color do clouds become? White,Black and Grey. White= I guess Summer days that are boiling hot,Black=thunderstorms,Grey=Snow,sleet. Plus most of the towns and cities are named after clouds.

That's what I said in the Unova Region thread previously. I'm glad someone else figured it out.

SasakiThePikachu
18th February 2011, 1:11 AM
Flounder from The Little Mermaid is likely a fry. Flounders, when born, have bilateral symmetry most other fish have. Their version of puberty involves their bodies flattening and one eye moving to the other side of their bodies.

Even more misleading then - they named him after the wrong fish! o.O

I don't see a Meloette or Genesect event for aaages. We haven't even had a widespread/wifi Arceus event yet, and that's a 4th gen legendary, so I wouldn't hold your breath for those 5th gen legends...

Ophie
18th February 2011, 1:13 AM
What do you mean a wrong fish? A fry is a young fish.