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Grei
8th July 2011, 7:27 PM
I agree to some degree.
Scrafty was extremely easely and important for my playthrough. He could both take hits and pack a puch.
However I don't see the reason for a dragon dance because mine was so good that he never needed it.

Dragon Dance is more for the speed boost than the attack boost, and to boost up Drain Punch's power for the actual storyline, where Bulk Up was not available (since I used Drain Punch over Hi Jump Kick). Most Scraftys are going to be slow, especially later in the game (until your Pokemon become really high-leveled and stats rarely matter).


One important thing: If you're gonna use it for a playthrough, you don't need Moxie. Mine had Shed Skin and did very well anyway. And I'm sure that it activated alot more than 33% of the time.

Personal preference. I dislike how there's a likelihood involved with Shed Skin. I initially wanted to use ShedRest in-game, but Shed Skin never really activated for me. It's all based on luck, which I dislike. It should be an automatic heal.

Although Moxie did help me in-game. There were a lot of times where I could sweep with Scraggy or Scrafty due to Moxie boosts.

Endless
8th July 2011, 7:29 PM
What do you guys think about Eelektross and Galvantula? I'm getting ready to restart on my black version and I can't decide which one to choose. Eelektross's slow speed kind of irks me, but the levitate ability takes care of its ground weakness, so its slow speed shouldn't be much of a problem then I guess. But the compound eyes ability on galvantula is appealing too. And I also like both of their designs ^-^.
I haven't used Galvantula, but I sure used Eelektross.
Eelektross will do just fine as an Eelectross. The big problem is that he stays as a Tynamo until level 39. It is not a huge problem as it could do a little. He did take down two of Skyla's pokemon alone. When he evolves you get a small dilemma, keep him as an Eelektrik and get moves or evolve him and only get a few + TMs. I evolved him right away, and I found the movepool a little lacking.

KickAsh
8th July 2011, 7:38 PM
What do you guys think about Eelektross and Galvantula? I'm getting ready to restart on my black version and I can't decide which one to choose. Eelektross's slow speed kind of irks me, but the levitate ability takes care of its ground weakness, so its slow speed shouldn't be much of a problem then I guess. But the compound eyes ability on galvantula is appealing too. And I also like both of their designs ^-^.
I like Galvantula's design better, but honestly Eelektross is probably more powerful. While Galvantula's Compoundeyes+Thunder is a neat combo, not having any weaknesses (and immunity to Spikes and Toxic Spikes) is a tiny bit better. Also, Eelektross gets Coil and Acid Spray, two very useful stat moves, neither of which Galvantula gets. Also, Eelektross has significantly better stats than Galvantula in all areas except Speed.
In fact a low Speed is pretty much Eelektross' only fault. A more varied movepool, better stats, no weaknesses, and immunity to Toxic Spikes and Spikes make Eelektross quite impressive and so much better than Galvantula
Although...very few of what makes Eelektross so good is useful in-game, so really, it's up to you. Galvantula has Bug STAB, Pursuit and Sucker Punch, and Agility, so it's your choice.

Geekachu
8th July 2011, 7:55 PM
What do you guys think about Eelektross and Galvantula? I'm getting ready to restart on my black version and I can't decide which one to choose. Eelektross's slow speed kind of irks me, but the levitate ability takes care of its ground weakness, so its slow speed shouldn't be much of a problem then I guess. But the compound eyes ability on galvantula is appealing too. And I also like both of their designs ^-^.

I'd say that they're both very good.

Galvantula is very fast with quite a nice Sp.A to back that up. Also, Thunder + Compoundeyes is a brilliant combo. However, you could say that defensively that it's a bit frail. But I'd definitely say that Speed + quite good Sp.A + compoundeyes/Thunder is really nice.

Eelektross' big appeal is no weaknesses, obviously. Also, it's better than Galvantula in all stats apart from Speed, and it has a better movepool. However, I would say that the main disadvantage is as someone has said that Tynamo evolves at Lv39, and if you're wanting a good move as such as Coil you'll have to proceed to level Eelektrik up to Lv54. That being said, it's got really nice stats, bar Speed, and access to many good moves.

I'd say they're both very good, it's just up to which one you prefer.

MetalFlygon08
8th July 2011, 8:05 PM
Dragon Dance is more for the speed boost than the attack boost, and to boost up Drain Punch's power for the actual storyline, where Bulk Up was not available (since I used Drain Punch over Hi Jump Kick). Most Scraftys are going to be slow, especially later in the game (until your Pokemon become really high-leveled and stats rarely matter).



Personal preference. I dislike how there's a likelihood involved with Shed Skin. I initially wanted to use ShedRest in-game, but Shed Skin never really activated for me. It's all based on luck, which I dislike. It should be an automatic heal.

Although Moxie did help me in-game. There were a lot of times where I could sweep with Scraggy or Scrafty due to Moxie boosts.

Why couldn't you have bulk up + drain punch? Isn't Smeargle in the same breeding group? meaning any 4 moves it can learn can be bred onto it.

SphealsFTW
8th July 2011, 8:19 PM
Why couldn't you have bulk up + drain punch? Isn't Smeargle in the same breeding group? meaning any 4 moves it can learn can be bred onto it.
Scraggy does not have Bulk Up as an egg move.

Birds of Paradise
8th July 2011, 8:20 PM
Gavantula's forced to use HP Ice on every moveset it's given, so I wouldn't count on it.

Doesn't gavantula learn energy ball though? (to take care of ground types)

Dattebayo
8th July 2011, 8:25 PM
Doesn't gavantula learn energy ball though? (to take care of ground types)

Yes, but it's still required to use HP Ice because of Gliscor (and the dragons).

Birds of Paradise
8th July 2011, 8:27 PM
Hmm..if its strictly for in game use, would hp ice still be crucial?

Dattebayo
8th July 2011, 8:32 PM
Hmm..if its strictly for in game use, would hp ice still be crucial?

A different HP would be required depending on which Pokemon is more common in-game.

Poke_Cannon
8th July 2011, 8:32 PM
you cant even get hidden power tm till the end of the game, after E4. dont worry about it

General Nonsense
8th July 2011, 8:34 PM
Hmm..if its strictly for in game use, would hp ice still be crucial?

Probably not. If you're worried about dragons, just switch and let one of your other pokemon deal with it.

Dattebayo
8th July 2011, 8:36 PM
you cant even get hidden power tm till the end of the game, after E4. dont worry about it

Actually, you can. It all depends on how many Pokemon you've seen on your dex.

Zhanton
9th July 2011, 7:01 AM
Galvantula can do just fine, imo, with Thunder, Energy Ball, Bug Buzz and Sucker Punch, with CompoundEyes. Pretty good coverage, and if you're worried about Dragon types you know you can always switch out :P

Grei
9th July 2011, 8:53 AM
Why couldn't you have bulk up + drain punch? Isn't Smeargle in the same breeding group? meaning any 4 moves it can learn can be bred onto it.

Because when I gave my Scraggy egg moves, I wanted it to have Dragon Dance, but also wanted to try Drain Punch and decided to use both in the same set. Really, Bulk Up isn't the necessary one over Dragon Dance with Drain Punch. With Big Root and an attack boost, Scrafty will likely regain most (if not all) of its lost HP. Besides, I'm playing in-game.

Although I'm considering getting rid of Zen Headbutt, which I never use and can ultimately be used for Bulk Up.


Scraggy does not have Bulk Up as an egg move.

Indeed, he doesn't. Though... I think Bulk Up can still be passed down if Smeargle and Scrafty both knew Bulk Up (unless a TM being passed down must be in both parents TM list, and not just known by both parents...?).

Regardless, on Scrafty, I enjoy Dragon Dance over Bulk Up. My Scrafty is Jolly, so Dragon Dance is usually enough to give it more speed than its opponent in-game.

Adrexus
9th July 2011, 9:06 AM
Galvantula was probably one of my favorite pokemon to use in B/W so far. Thunder+compound eyes makes for a pretty strong, reliable move. Plus having all that speed makes him outpace most of the pokemon in the game. Although I've run into the problem of missing OHKOs just because base 97 isn't all that strong. Plus it can't take more than two hits most of the time. Regardless I still liked it and thought it was a great pokemon to use.

Zhanton
10th July 2011, 9:02 AM
Alright, new discussion. Best Ice-type this gen? I used Vanilluxe and I must say that he is absolutely stunning. He's got a really cool design, and his SpA stat is one that, when you see it, your heart will freeze with excitement! He was absolutely delicious to watch in battle, and although it didn't shine in the Elite Four as a Vanillish, as a Vanilluxe it tore through the competition in the post-game. And as a topping, it can learn Explosion!


I really should leave the puns to The 4th Kira

R_N
10th July 2011, 9:45 AM
Alright, new discussion. Best Ice-type this gen? I used Vanilluxe and I must say that he is absolutely stunning. He's got a really cool design, and his SpA stat is one that, when you see it, your heart will freeze with excitement! He was absolutely delicious to watch in battle, and although it didn't shine in the Elite Four as a Vanillish, as a Vanilluxe it tore through the competition in the post-game. And as a topping, it can learn Explosion!


I really should leave the puns to The 4th Kira

I am on my way to you to high five you right now

Don't worry about how I'll find you but best be ready

pokemon000hustler
10th July 2011, 10:01 AM
what do guys think of volcarona?

fuyu-seetaa
10th July 2011, 10:13 AM
I don't understand the philosophy of Volcarona... But maybe I am overthinking it... Being born from the sun...?
I think it's doomed to be uber prey and just another Pokemon I will train for the purpose of the Pokedex. ...Larvesta's kinda cuter. (I play Pokemon for fun, so I don't care [or even understand] stats/natures/moves for that matter fully.) But it seems like it'll be a great Pokemon if you can get in some Quiver Dances.

Pokémon Trainer J
10th July 2011, 11:34 AM
what do guys think of volcarona?

greatest bug pokémon ever and my next shiny hunt [golden Volcarona]

Typhlosionvsworld
10th July 2011, 3:16 PM
I was scared for a while that my Haxorus was doomed to be slow. Have you ever trained a Poke, and even though it should be fast, it isn't?

The Eleventh
10th July 2011, 5:17 PM
I was scared for a while that my Haxorus was doomed to be slow. Have you ever trained a Poke, and even though it should be fast, it isn't?
Yes. Haxorus Chandelure. I guess it was due to the Speed-hindering nature.

Typhlosionvsworld
10th July 2011, 5:19 PM
Yes. Haxorus Chandelure. I guess it was due to the Speed-hindering nature.

My Haxorus has a Careful nature, so I got kinda scared.

Grey Wind
10th July 2011, 10:52 PM
I was scared for a while that my Haxorus was doomed to be slow. Have you ever trained a Poke, and even though it should be fast, it isn't?
Not really. For some reason my Emboar outspeeds a lt of things, even without Flame Charge. And it doesn't have a Speed boosting Nature or anything.

On the Haxorus or Hydreigon talk, I prefer Haxorus. Dark/Dragon is an awesome typing, but it's design just doesn't appeal to me. I think it's the eyes :S

Haxorus on the othr had, has a badass desing. There's something about him I really like. His Attack is beastly, and he has some great moves. I used it in White, and it was great. Extremely powerful.

Grei
10th July 2011, 11:40 PM
Alright, new discussion. Best Ice-type this gen? I used Vanilluxe and I must say that he is absolutely stunning. He's got a really cool design, and his SpA stat is one that, when you see it, your heart will freeze with excitement! He was absolutely delicious to watch in battle, and although it didn't shine in the Elite Four as a Vanillish, as a Vanilluxe it tore through the competition in the post-game. And as a topping, it can learn Explosion!


I really should leave the puns to The 4th Kira

I've been meaning to use one at some point. I might if I play through my old White that I found like I sort of want to do.


what do guys think of volcarona?

Absolutely incredible. The best Bug-type of Gen V (barring Genosect, perhaps). Difficult to train as a Larvesta (although it's easier with Eviolite) but insanely powerful as a Volcarona, especially if its nature is Sp. Atk-boosting.

Geekachu
11th July 2011, 1:26 AM
what do guys think of volcarona?

Hands down one of the best Gen V designs. I actually really love it, and I'm not usually a fan of Bug Types. Once Alder's one got Quiver Dancing, it wrecked my team (Quiver Dance really is an awesome move), and I'm definitely planning on using one in the third version.

Blazios
11th July 2011, 1:41 AM
I actually bred a Timid Larvesta in March with Outstanding IVs including perfect Sp. Attack and close to perfect everything else, so I EV trained it a few days ago. I was trying for a shiny, but this is better (I hate breeding).

はるひ
11th July 2011, 1:54 AM
Volcarona is cute I like him.

And as for Hydreigon or Haxorus; Hydreigon has a more fun appeal to it. Haxorus feels like it's stoic...

Pokechan
11th July 2011, 1:59 AM
what do guys think of volcarona?
Volcarona is amazing! It has a great special attack, movepool, and has a very beautiful design. As a Larvesta it could be the most adorable thing, but is hard to raise unless you use an eviolite. I am thinking of training the Larvesta baby into a Volcarona instead of using the captured Volcarona in the Relic Castle when I get more into my Black version. What do you think of the starter Pokemon ingame? I am using Dewott and it has been dependable for me so far.

General Nonsense
11th July 2011, 4:28 AM
Volcarona's pretty cool, but I've only used it in the battle subway. Unfortunately in the subway it wasn't doing well at all. I'm going to use one on a team at some point, I hope it does better ingame than it did in the subway.

Gelatino95
11th July 2011, 5:27 AM
Volcarona is, hands down, my favorite Gen V pokemon, and I'm pretty sure I've already stated that in about half the threads in the Serebii forums. It's got a unique typing that gives it two nice STAB types, it's got all the right stats in all the right places, and it's got Quiver Dance to boost all the right stats in all the right places. The only problem is its nasty rock weakness.

Haxorus or Hydreigon? Haxorus. It's got a beastly attack stat that barely needs boosting. However, a Dragon Dance never hurt anybody and it can also boost its subpar speed to acceptable levels. Plus, it's downright scary when it's got that attack boost. Too bad Swords Dance Garchomp wins in a fight against it.

Drdj11
11th July 2011, 5:33 AM
what do guys think of volcarona?

Volcarona is a heck of a beast!!

manifesto
11th July 2011, 5:54 AM
what do guys think of volcarona?

It's one of my favorites this gen. I'd used one on my team for a really long time but it eventually got cycled out because I liked Galvantula better after a while. The bug types this gen rule.

Adrexus
11th July 2011, 6:28 AM
I have to agree that this gen has some of the best bugs so far. I always imagined that the first bug/fire type would be a fire ant. But after seeing Volcarona I thought "this is better than some ant" Also being able to stay OU despite a crippling weakness is pretty cool too. Although I do like Galvantula better. It has been one of my favorites the instant I saw it, which is strange, because fire has always been my favorite type (more so as a kid, not so much now though) I used Crustle too, which is actually pretty good with a shell smash set.

CaptainCombusken
11th July 2011, 11:15 AM
IT'S A FIREY BUG. What's not to like.
I really do like Volcarona, but I really think a phzsical Fire/Bug would be better. I hope Larvesta gets another evo next gen and it's a physical based One.

yanmega12
11th July 2011, 11:51 AM
volcarona pwns up in the gear station. my combo for the gear station is: volcorona, haxorus and gliscor

yanmega12
11th July 2011, 11:53 AM
oo oo i really like scollipede. meh might as well train it

XXD17
11th July 2011, 3:42 PM
Alright, new discussion. Best Ice-type this gen? I used Vanilluxe and I must say that he is absolutely stunning. He's got a really cool design, and his SpA stat is one that, when you see it, your heart will freeze with excitement! He was absolutely delicious to watch in battle, and although it didn't shine in the Elite Four as a Vanillish, as a Vanilluxe it tore through the competition in the post-game. And as a topping, it can learn Explosion!


I really should leave the puns to The 4th Kira

vanilluxe is cool but I personally prefer beartic over the other ice-types (save kyurem of course) this gen...beartic is a huge hulking bear...and it's sorta bulky...I like its design and icicle crash along with its massive attack...cryogonal is WAY too frail and vanilluxe is way too average...beartic is no where my favorite ice poke but definitely my favorite ice poke this gen...

manifesto
11th July 2011, 4:21 PM
Beartic's awesome. I wish it got a better speed stat because I don't really like slow attackers. Not my style sadly. (bears are actually really really fast in real life so I'd love to see that reflected in the game)

I absolutely adore Golurk's design. His shiny is cool too. But I personally think Druddigon got the best shiny this gen. I just love that coloration.

TheBattleFrontierAsh1
11th July 2011, 4:36 PM
most 5th generation have amazing stats but some are the same as those from the hoenn region

JD
11th July 2011, 4:38 PM
Beartic's awesome. I wish it got a better speed stat because I don't really like slow attackers. Not my style sadly. (bears are actually really really fast in real life so I'd love to see that reflected in the game)

I absolutely adore Golurk's design. His shiny is cool too. But I personally think Druddigon got the best shiny this gen. I just love that coloration.

I like Haxorus's shiny color most of the Unova Pokemon are decent shiny though...anyway anyone know why Volcarona is in the Relic Castle?

thekorean
11th July 2011, 8:08 PM
Ok I need a good set for Lucario. Needs to have Aura sphere in its set.

R_N
11th July 2011, 8:09 PM
I like Haxorus's shiny color most of the Unova Pokemon are decent shiny though...anyway anyone know why Volcarona is in the Relic Castle?

Worshipped, probably.

Ememew
11th July 2011, 8:15 PM
Speaking of "why" Volcarona's there, am I remembering correctly that the guy who gives you the Larvesta egg says he found it in the Relic Castle? Or did he say it was from somewhere else? If it was the Relic Castle, I guess it could be Volcarona's natural habitat (well, a natural habitat that a civilization was eventually built up around because the people there benefited from Volcarona's presence, anyway).

Ledyba
11th July 2011, 8:18 PM
Speaking of "why" Volcarona's there, am I remembering correctly that the guy who gives you the Larvesta egg says he found it in the Relic Castle? Or did he say it was from somewhere else? If it was the Relic Castle, I guess it could be Volcarona's natural habitat (well, a natural habitat that a civilization was eventually built up around because the people there benefited from Volcarona's presence, anyway).


The guy said he found the egg at the Relic Castle.

arceus7
11th July 2011, 9:45 PM
Sigh I wished that hydreigon learned volt switch at least X_X


Can someone tell me whats up with thief and trick? I used them on the monkeys on morimoto to steal a petaya berry but after the battle the berry was gone? IT no longer steals items after the battle is done apparently

General Nonsense
11th July 2011, 10:07 PM
Can someone tell me whats up with thief and trick? I used them on the monkeys on morimoto to steal a petaya berry but after the battle the berry was gone? IT no longer steals items after the battle is done apparently

That's correct, you can't steal items like that anymore, you need to catch the pokemon in order to get the item.

yanmega12
11th July 2011, 10:26 PM
Haxorus is lethal! he took down cynthia's spititomb when he was 10 levels weaker!

The Eleventh
11th July 2011, 10:28 PM
That's correct, you can't steal items like that anymore, you need to catch the pokemon in order to get the item.
I didn't know that. It's not that much of a drawback for me, as I caught Pokémon that held certain items, as I preferred not to waste the Thief TM.

EDIT: Oh, one can still steal items from wild Pokémon. That's nice to know.

Ememew
11th July 2011, 10:55 PM
I didn't know that. It's not that much of a drawback for me, as I caught Pokémon that held certain items, as I preferred not to waste the Thief TM.

EDIT: Oh, one can still steal items from wild Pokémon. That's nice to know.

Well, TMs are re-usable as of Gen V, so you don't have to worry about that, either.

Thief/Covet cannot steal permanently in trainer battles (only keeps the item for the duration of the fight), but work to keep items from wild Pokemon, same for the new Pickup - if it takes an opponent's used item in the wild, you get to keep it, but won't work to keep one from a trainer battle.

General Nonsense
11th July 2011, 11:02 PM
EDIT: Oh, one can still steal items from wild Pokémon. That's nice to know.

Wait, really? I thought you couldn't keep items stolen from wild pokemon. I guess you can. My bad. *feels like an idiot*

NeohopeSTF
11th July 2011, 11:53 PM
do you guys think Chandelure's DW ability would be better if it was Levitate? Personnally i think it would still be epic

Cassiopeia
12th July 2011, 12:01 AM
do you guys think Chandelure's DW ability would be better if it was Levitate? Personnally i think it would still be epic

Ummm...no.
Shadow Tag Chandelure, think about it. Chandelure scares a lot of things in the metagame, and if it could trap those things it would become incredibly broken. /2 cents

General Nonsense
12th July 2011, 12:06 AM
do you guys think Chandelure's DW ability would be better if it was Levitate? Personnally i think it would still be epic

In-game, having levitate would be better than shadow tag since the NPCs almost never switch therefore making shadow tag next to useless in-game. But in competative, shadow tag is without a doubt better.

Endless
12th July 2011, 12:09 AM
do you guys think Chandelure's DW ability would be better if it was Levitate? Personnally i think it would still be epic

In-game, maybe. Competitive: No, Shadow Tag is broken, and to give it to such a great pokemon? Extremely broken. It was even an Uber for some time on DW matches(don't remember if it was SMogon or PO rules though)

On the topic of coolest shiny this gen, my vote would probably go to Heatmor. I love it's shiny coloration.

KuroiMawile
12th July 2011, 12:22 AM
Pawniard/Bisharp.

But then there's Golurk, and Mienshao, and Braviary, and Snivy, and Klink, and Klang and Klinklang and Ferroseed and Ferrothorn and Druddigon and Accelgor and Haxorus.

Also Reuniclus.

Grey Wind
12th July 2011, 12:33 AM
do you guys think Chandelure's DW ability would be better if it was Levitate? Personnally i think it would still be epic
God no. In-game, Levitate would be good, as NPCs rarely switch. But in competitive play, Shadow Tag is much better.


On the topic of coolest shiny this gen, my vote would probably go to Heatmor. I love it's shiny coloration.
I think Golurk, Chandelure and Haxorus have the best Shiny colours. They just look nice.

rocky505
12th July 2011, 1:02 AM
I like Haxorus,Hydreigon,Heatmor,Pawniard,Druddigon's shinies.

XXD17
12th July 2011, 3:43 AM
favorite shinies are emboar, haxorus, chandelure, and volcorona...

Zhanton
12th July 2011, 12:07 PM
I've never been a fan of shinies (shoot me now) but I must say I find Krookodile's shiny to be horribly repulsive.

http://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/shiny/krookodile.png
It looks like someone used the Bucket Tool on Paint to fill in the eye-mask area.

lucario44444444
12th July 2011, 2:11 PM
I like shiny Zoura the most

Solfatara
12th July 2011, 3:34 PM
Zhanton, I agree with you entirely. However, I do like some shinies; it's all about which colorations I prefer.
In the fifth generation I must say I adore the Reuniclus line's shiny sprites, but Tirtouga and Carracosta are high on the list as well.

SleepingDeath0
12th July 2011, 4:09 PM
Meh, I think the only thing bad about Krookodile's shiny is the mask/striped area. If it was black, I would love it, because it would match his pre-evos.

Also, my favorite shiny from this gen. is Haxorus <3

Endless
12th July 2011, 4:28 PM
I think shiny krookodile looks horrible too. The shades in the usual color is quite cool. Yhe SHiny sprite is another story. It looks like it tanned in the sunshine with shades on, and when it was finished it had a huge tan line around the eyes.

I earlier mentioned that Heatmor probably is my favourite shiny of this gen. But I would like to say that Boldore, Gigalith, Fraxure, Haxorus, Pawniard, Bisharp and Volcarona are all runner ups. It seems that i like shinies that have some dark parts with either blue or red details. i usually like the ones that turn golden, but we didn't get many of these now, Volcarona is the only one that come to mind.

arceus7
12th July 2011, 10:25 PM
Fav shiny is Serperior

ViperQueen
12th July 2011, 11:09 PM
lol Why do so many people on GTS want a Zekrom, Victini or Reshiram level 1-9 ?
Thats not even legally possilble *noob question- is it?*

Not only that it is like that for a lot of pokemon, even a magikarp lol

KickAsh
12th July 2011, 11:26 PM
My favorites shinies this gen are Victini, Gigalith, Panpour/sear/sage, Serperior, Tympole and Seismitoad, Cryogonal, Stunfisk, Pawniard and Bisharp,
And I particularly like shiny Samurott, Golurk, Heatmor, and Krookodile.
Yes, Krookodile.

I generally like shinies that turn the Pokemon pink or blue. I also sometimes like the golden ones.

Drummerdude
13th July 2011, 3:06 AM
In this generation my favorite shinies are Emboar, Chandelure, and Druddigon. Chandelure and Druddigon because of their color schemes and Emboar because it is my only 5th gen Shiny! (And the blue flames look nice)

Paradoxe
13th July 2011, 3:12 AM
I recently learned a Pokemon's shiny color actually has a meaning, it's not just random. I know, I'm stupid.

After learning that, I'd say a like Klinklang's shiny form because it represents copper gears instead of iron. More of my favorites are Heatmor, Braviary, Golurk, Eelektross, and Reuniclus.

Adrexus
13th July 2011, 4:17 AM
Looking at Gigalith, its shiny form kind of looks like crystals in a cave and Chandelure kind of looks like a jack o lantern. I don't quite understand the hype about shiny pokemon though. Particularly shiny hunting. For me, they're tools for acquiring whatever rare pokemon you want. I'll catch one if I see it, and I may even admire it too. But its nothing that special to me.

Mr. pokedude
13th July 2011, 5:15 AM
Eh, I used both Hydreigon and Haxorus, i'm sad to say I didn't like either better. Though I still go with both I found that Haxorus movepool was slightly lacking, but the moves it needs to know are knowable. so I guess that's cool. But Hydreigon call wipe all teams of 6 without having to use 1 or 2 dragon dances like haxorus.

When it comes to the ice types, I found Vanilluxe stunning. Though I also loved Beartic, I never really liked Cryogonal.

Volcarona was epic, but it also had an epic design. It was the killer of my team in white, until it was replaced by Chandelure and was never really used again after that. I miss it...

arceus7
13th July 2011, 5:22 AM
I for one am pissed off that hydreigon doesnt learn hone claws or calm mind

hone claws with dragon rush would be gold but meh doesnt work with heads apparently

Calm mind would be much better status booster than work up and that pisses me off that it cant learn it, and Volt switch would be an awesome move on its movepool
Plus calm mind would work great with a rash natured hydreigon ( which Im using)

I plan on having dark pulse spatkk boostermove dragon pulse/dragonrush and something else or dragon rush here dont know what to do...

Mr. pokedude
13th July 2011, 5:34 AM
I for one am pissed off that hydreigon doesnt learn hone claws or calm mind

hone claws with dragon rush would be gold but meh doesnt work with heads apparently

Calm mind would be much better status booster than work up and that pisses me off that it cant learn it, and Volt switch would be an awesome move on its movepool
Plus calm mind would work great with a rash natured hydreigon ( which Im using)

I plan on having dark pulse spatkk boostermove dragon pulse/dragonrush and something else or dragon rush here dont know what to do...

... If it cheers you up it has U-turn?

NeohopeSTF
13th July 2011, 5:35 AM
My faves as shiny
Sandile
Genescet
Embaor
Garbordor
Excadrill
Chandelure
Keldo
Durannt

Zhanton
13th July 2011, 6:13 AM
I for one am pissed off that hydreigon doesnt learn hone claws or calm mind


Well, Calm Mind's Japanese name is literally 'Meditation'. Hydreigon doesn't look capable of meditating, or becoming calm, whatsoever.

(As for a Hydreigon moveset, Dark Pulse/Crunch, Dragon Pulse, Surf and Flamethrower gets lots of coverage and is its standard set)

PsychicPsycho
13th July 2011, 10:16 AM
Favorite 5th gen shinies...off the top of my head, Reuniclus, Haxorus, Fraxure, Zorua, Litwick, Braviary, Carracosta, Golurk, Emboar and Gigalith.

I agree with the others regarding shiny Krokork and Krookodile, they both look terrible to me. It kind of looks like someone just inverted their colors.

Also, Chandelure is up in the air for me. I looked closer at one recently; it kind of seems like it's body (lanturn) has a greenish tinge, which doesn't fit at all in my view. At any rate, I've always thought it's shiny spite was about the same in terms of 'coolness' to it's regular sprite. Does anyone feel the same way? It seems they could've switched the shiny and regular sprites easily.

I recently learned a Pokemon's shiny color actually has a meaning, it's not just random. I know, I'm stupid.

After learning that, I'd say a like Klinklang's shiny form because it represents copper gears instead of iron. More of my favorites are Heatmor, Braviary, Golurk, Eelektross, and Reuniclus.I wasn't aware of that. I can see what you mean with Klink line's shiny forms, and for Emboar since blue flames are hotter then red, but I don't see it for others. Like Braviary and Bisharp, what does the change from blue to red represent?

Tsutaja1996
13th July 2011, 12:10 PM
My favourite 5th gen shinies.. Serperior, Hydregion, Golurk and Klingklang (from what I can think of at the moment).

KuroiMawile
14th July 2011, 7:27 AM
I think it's pretty weird all most of my favorite pokemon are between Celestial Tower (Elgyem, litwick) and DragonSpiral Tower (Meinfoo, Golett, Druddigon) [with stunfisk right outside]

Blackjack the Titan
14th July 2011, 9:27 AM
My favorite shiny Pokemon is Hydreigon. Its shiny form looks like the classic green shiny dragon.

NeohopeSTF
14th July 2011, 12:18 PM
My favorite shiny Pokemon is Hydreigon. Its shiny form looks like the classic green shiny dragon.
As Dragonite does aswell

Zhanton
14th July 2011, 1:22 PM
As Dragonite does aswell

Because, you know, a Pokemon having the same colour scheme as another is just disgusting, no?

MetalFlygon08
14th July 2011, 7:11 PM
Here's somthing interesting, Gothitelle has legs, with a waist and legs similar to Gallade's

Grei
14th July 2011, 7:18 PM
Here's somthing interesting, Gothitelle has legs, with a waist and legs similar to Gallade's

That makes sense, but how do you know this?

はるひ
14th July 2011, 7:25 PM
Her legs are just one big tube from what I saw from the PTC thing on Bubepedia.

Blazios
14th July 2011, 7:32 PM
That makes sense, but how do you know this?

Probably got it from the Pokédex 3D. Just checked now and its legs are... kinda weird.

MetalFlygon08
14th July 2011, 10:13 PM
3d dex, though the anime shows it as a hollow like bell thing.

I guess it's kinda kile how Gardivoir has legs that nobody knew about until it went 3d.

Endless
14th July 2011, 10:21 PM
I agree that Gothitelle's legs are really weird. If they had been all black it might have looked ok. But when the legs are white and the underside of the feet are pink. It looks like it wear some kind of weird casting pants.

Zhanton
15th July 2011, 1:01 AM
jakdhfsjkahsdjfk someone with the Pokedex 3D App thingy, pics please? ^^;

Endless
15th July 2011, 1:20 AM
jakdhfsjkahsdjfk someone with the Pokedex 3D App thingy, pics please? ^^;

This will probably give you an idea of how th elegs look like. I tried to take a picture through the AR viewer, but it didn't give me the chance to shot from the under side.
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5889/dsc00278sam.jpg

Zhanton
15th July 2011, 1:23 AM
This will probably give you an idea of how th elegs look like. I tried to take a picture through the AR viewer, but it didn't give me the chance to shot from the under side.
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5889/dsc00278sam.jpg

:O

Thanks for the pic, and yeah I must agree, her legs are quite odd :S

MetalFlygon08
15th July 2011, 2:08 AM
I feel dirty now. We are posting pictures of the underskirt...

TsukiMirage
15th July 2011, 6:10 AM
Ha, underskirt. I guess they decided to stick with what worked and just copy Gardivoir.

XXD17
15th July 2011, 3:53 PM
Ha, underskirt. I guess they decided to stick with what worked and just copy Gardivoir.

If that's the case, the that "skirt" is actually a modified layer of skin just like in gardevoir's case...

MasterPika
15th July 2011, 4:20 PM
you are all perverts I think watchog is really good mine beat a timburr and it has type disadvantage

misterdarvus
15th July 2011, 4:37 PM
This will probably give you an idea of how th elegs look like. I tried to take a picture through the AR viewer, but it didn't give me the chance to shot from the under side.
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5889/dsc00278sam.jpg

This is ruin my day

manifesto
15th July 2011, 6:52 PM
yeah, I didn't need to see Gothitelle's underskirt...I'm a little sad now.

ChampionZ
16th July 2011, 6:20 AM
I think I am depressed.

Paradoxe
16th July 2011, 6:30 AM
I think I am depressed.

Then take your medicine.


Gothitelle looks like it's wearing white pantaloons, so it's all good.

Mark_Chaos
16th July 2011, 6:32 AM
This will probably give you an idea of how th elegs look like. I tried to take a picture through the AR viewer, but it didn't give me the chance to shot from the under side.
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5889/dsc00278sam.jpg

Ooooooookay... Son, I am disappoint... and dirty...

はるひ
16th July 2011, 6:40 AM
It's supposed to resemble pantyhose.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/5/5c/GothitelleBlackCollection28.jpg/433px-GothitelleBlackCollection28.jpg

I thought it looked like this lol

And if this was my perception of Gothitelle with a personality, then she'd hammer arm you for doing that XD

Mr.Munchlax
16th July 2011, 6:46 AM
I just discovered that Heatmor may not only be inspired by an anteater. I was browsing through the internet and found this animal called a Tamandua & it looks strikingly similar to Heatmor:
http://www.mongabay.net/images/wren/tamandua-1.gif

Here's it's information on it from the wildlife conservation agency:
http://www.centralparkzoo.com/animals-and-exhibits/animals/mammals/tamandua.aspx

Zhanton
16th July 2011, 6:46 AM
Alright, so since my request to see Gothitelle's legs seems to have resulted in a string of short, useless, not-contributing-or-able-to-contribute-to-any-discussion posts, I'm going to bring up another topic.


Which is the best Poison-type Pokemon we got this generation?
Being a lover of Poison-types, I was quite disappointed at the 'haul' we got. Lets see: we got the Trubbish line, the Scolipede line and the Foonguss line.

I'm not a fan of Scolipede in all honesty. Sure, it certainly looks tough especially for a Bug/Poison, but 'tough' isn't exactly my thing haha :S Its monstrous size and sheer strength coupled with its decent moveset means that it would probably be quite a good battler, no?

I really liked both the Trubbish line and the Foonguss line, though, and both were in contention for the final place in my team before I settled on Vanillish.

I lot of people liken Garbodor's design to rubbish. Well, I must admit that I am not offended by the apparent putridness of its design, nor do I think its design stinks. It's been accused on having a rubbish design, essentially recycled, and some people have said it is just pure lazy to leave just a creative idea out on the side of the road to simply rot. I find Trubbish not repulsive but extremely cute, and would definitely give it a cuddle were I not afraid of catching some disease.

Foonguss's design was simplistic and was as cute as a button mushroom in all honesty, and I think everyone would agree. With access to the ever-useful Spore, Foonguss stunned everyone by being a mushroom which could undergo Photosynthesis in order to restore health, and with the (hidden?) ability of Rengerator, it grows back in a flash. Amoonguss is equally as cute, although it would be unwise to mess with this piece of fungus. Just look at him.

So that's my opinion on the Poison-types. Garbodor = Amoonguss > Scolipede imo

General Nonsense
16th July 2011, 6:57 AM
Wow, I didn't realize we got so few poison types this gen!

Anyways, I'd probably say that Scoliopede is the best one. It's got a really cool design, good stats, and a nice movepool.

Grey Wind
16th July 2011, 1:04 PM
Garbodor repulses me. Foonguss is cute, but I don't like Amoonguss.

So I guess my favourite is Scolipede. Nice design, and good stats and movepool. I wouldn't use it, but I still think it looks quite nice. It has good Speed as well, considering how big and bulky looking it is. I'm not too fond of Venipede though.

pokemonbw01
16th July 2011, 1:14 PM
^I too think Foongus is cute but I don't like Amoongus. My favourite might be Scolipede as well.

Endless
16th July 2011, 1:52 PM
I just discovered that Heatmor may not only be inspired by an anteater. I was browsing through the internet and found this animal called a Tamandua & it looks strikingly similar to Heatmor:
http://www.mongabay.net/images/wren/tamandua-1.gif

Here's it's information on it from the wildlife conservation agency:
http://www.centralparkzoo.com/animals-and-exhibits/animals/mammals/tamandua.aspx
Actually, the tamandua is one of the three living genera of anteaters. The three genera is Giant Anteater, Tamandua and Silk Anteater, who is a little distinct from the other two. However the point being that if Heatmor is based on a tamandua, it is still based on an anteater.

Alright, so since my request to see Gothitelle's legs seems to have resulted in a string of short, useless, not-contributing-or-able-to-contribute-to-any-discussion posts, I'm going to bring up another topic.


Which is the best Poison-type Pokemon we got this generation?
Being a lover of Poison-types, I was quite disappointed at the 'haul' we got. Lets see: we got the Trubbish line, the Scolipede line and the Foonguss line.

I'm not a fan of Scolipede in all honesty. Sure, it certainly looks tough especially for a Bug/Poison, but 'tough' isn't exactly my thing haha :S Its monstrous size and sheer strength coupled with its decent moveset means that it would probably be quite a good battler, no?

I really liked both the Trubbish line and the Foonguss line, though, and both were in contention for the final place in my team before I settled on Vanillish.

I lot of people liken Garbodor's design to rubbish. Well, I must admit that I am not offended by the apparent putridness of its design, nor do I think its design stinks. It's been accused on having a rubbish design, essentially recycled, and some people have said it is just pure lazy to leave just a creative idea out on the side of the road to simply rot. I find Trubbish not repulsive but extremely cute, and would definitely give it a cuddle were I not afraid of catching some disease.

Foonguss's design was simplistic and was as cute as a button mushroom in all honesty, and I think everyone would agree. With access to the ever-useful Spore, Foonguss stunned everyone by being a mushroom which could undergo Photosynthesis in order to restore health, and with the (hidden?) ability of Rengerator, it grows back in a flash. Amoonguss is equally as cute, although it would be unwise to mess with this piece of fungus. Just look at him.

So that's my opinion on the Poison-types. Garbodor = Amoonguss > Scolipede imo
Oh, they sure didn't make this generation flooded with Poison types, like Gen 1. So lets get over to the three lines we actually got.

The Venipede line is probably my favourite poison type line this time around. However the line isn't really one of my favorite if we look at all pokémon this gen. I like the first stage mediocre. Whirlipede is awwsome, a mean wheel, who don't like that? And lastly, Scolipede is really cool. We finally got a large bug type and I like the coloration too.

The Trubbish line is "ok". They aren't among my favourite pokemon this gen and is not among my least favorites either. But one thing is sure, it does not deserve all the hate. I found the idea of a garbage bag quite funny.

The Foongus line is the poison line I like the least. And probably the line I like the least of all lines of all types this gen. I really don't like the pale mushroom with a pokeball on top. The evolution looks even worse. I know we got Voltorb isn gen 1, but it isn't as bad as this one.

So here we go: Venipede line > Trubbish line >-------------------- Foongus line. All in all, I'm quite disappointed with the Poison types this gen.

GalladeX
16th July 2011, 3:09 PM
Which is the best Poison-type Pokemon we got this generation?

i like scolipede and his pre-evolutions, but my favourite has to be amoongus. What I like about amoongus is his design. i love the idea of him having pokeball-shields for hands. or, hell, the whole mushroom pokeball idea in general.
it helps that he can actually be fairly strong if used correctly.

Grei
16th July 2011, 7:47 PM
Amoongus, I think. Scolipede is cool but I dunno if it's the best, and Garbador... well.

Weaver_8
16th July 2011, 8:12 PM
I used to dislike Amoonguss, but he grew on me, partially because of its cry. When I heard it I imagined something very cute, than I saw who it was. By the way, what is Amoonguss? I know he has been called a mushroom, but that can't be the case. He can photosynthesize, mushrooms and Fungus don't do this. So Amoonguss is in the Platae Kingdom based off of his characteristics. What kind of plant looks like a mushroom but is in fact a plant?

Garbodor is cute too, it must be so lonely though seeing as it might kill you with deadly bacteria inside it. Here is something I think is cool, you know how garbage isn't always just decaying food and other gross stuff. Sometimes it can be like a bag full of paper. Garbodor shows this to a degree by its pokeabilities. Broken armor is when it doesn't have any of the more gross things in side of it. Stench on the other hand is when it is made up of wasted food and other unmentionable products.

Finally Scolipede... I think he is powerful, fast, and down right adorable. Look at it! It looks like a pony bug. I've also been seeing art of Scolipede being ridden like a horse too. Sorry thats all I have to say for now for Scolipede.

はるひ
16th July 2011, 10:24 PM
I'd have to go with Amoongus. It's too cute and it's a mushroom :3

Grei
16th July 2011, 10:44 PM
I used to dislike Amoonguss, but he grew on me, partially because of its cry. When I heard it I imagined something very cute, than I saw who it was. By the way, what is Amoonguss? I know he has been called a mushroom, but that can't be the case. He can photosynthesize, mushrooms and Fungus don't do this. So Amoonguss is in the Platae Kingdom based off of his characteristics. What kind of plant looks like a mushroom but is in fact a plant?

I think you're looking too far into this. No mouse can hold electricity within its cheeks, no turtle has mountains, grass, and trees growing on its back, no hippo stores and whips around its own sand. Amoongus just a mushroom, methinks.

Typhlosionvsworld
16th July 2011, 10:47 PM
Scolipede. I mean come on. All its stats are amazing.

Solfatara
17th July 2011, 12:31 AM
The Scolipede line is actually the only line I've used in-game, and I found it... well, decent. It has speed, and in the end I ended up mostly using it for baton-passing iron defenses, and spamming megahorn from time to time. I think competitively, Amoongus has the most going for it, being a general annoyer, and I don't despise its design either. Garbador... hmm, I guess I'm not crazy its body of nastiness and rather random-looking arms, but it has found its use as a pokemon I sometimes use for catching other mons, so I guess I can't say I hate it. All in all, not crazy about this gen's poison types, falling short to both genI, with Venusaur, Vileplume, Nidoking, and genIV, packing Toxicroak.

KickAsh
17th July 2011, 6:29 AM
I like Scolipede tons, so I can confidently say that it is far-and-away my favorite Poison-type this gen. I don't understand what's not to like about it. I used it in my playthrough of White, and it performed really well, honestly. I had one with a Jolly nature and it had a good enough Speed to outspeed a lot of stuff, and it delivered powerful enough blows to be a reasonable threat.
But even if Scolipede was dead weight on my team, I would still like it because of it's awesome design. I love its color and speckled-pattern, I love its stance, I love its tail, and I love its shiny. Everything about Scolipede is amazing. It's one of my favorite Unovan Pokemon, and in fact is my favorite regional bug (is Venipede the regional bug or is it Sewaddle?).
It's even more awesome when compared to this gen's other Poison types. Garbodor is probably my least favorite Pokemon ever, and Amoongus is good enough, but I find it kind of bland. I like the Pokeball mushroom idea, but to me Amoongus seems dull.

Charmander1998
17th July 2011, 6:35 AM
Which is the best Poison-type Pokemon we got this generation?

I guess for me it would have to be Scolipede.

Đew™
17th July 2011, 10:55 AM
Sorry...but I'm also a scolipede fan...but I share my opinions with everyone else...

Garbodor is a disappointment. If it had a better physical movepool, I'd like it, but because of that...it just flat up stinks (pun intended). I'd give it an award for "Pokemon with the Most Potential" if I could...seriously, if it got poison jab without breeding, if it's possible to do so, I wouldn't mind it as much as I do now, but give it the elemental punches and I'd like it. I would love if its potential wasn't wasted, as that garbage heap is physical, not special.

As for amoongus...it can abuse toxic and venoshock beautifully. I don't have much experience with it though...

kyogreblue3
17th July 2011, 3:32 PM
hmmm . . .
I think the best poison type we got in 5th gen has to be Scolipede! It's so awesome and monstrous-looking! I'm a huge fan of vicious-looking Pokemon :D. But I like Shiny Garbodor, too.

Paradoxe
17th July 2011, 3:46 PM
Honestly I've never used a Poison-type in a game except for Weezing in LeafGreen. Not enough type advantages.

Weaver_8
17th July 2011, 4:36 PM
I think you're looking too far into this. No mouse can hold electricity within its cheeks, no turtle has mountains, grass, and trees growing on its back, no hippo stores and whips around its own sand. Amoongus just a mushroom, methinks.

Are you suggesting I am being far too serious when it comes to the creation of Fantasy creatures that have to bearing on my real world existence besides the fact I love the stuffing out of them? Your probably right. I guess it just bugs me(to tvtropes!) because with things like the electric mouse it is obviously unreal and my ability to role with it is easy to do. But when it comes to something small like the photosynthesizing mushroom it causes me confusion. Darn you BIO 111, why did you have to teach me the way plants and fungi work!

Endless
17th July 2011, 4:53 PM
Are you suggesting I am being far too serious when it comes to the creation of Fantasy creatures that have to bearing on my real world existence besides the fact I love the stuffing out of them? Your probably right. I guess it just bugs me(to tvtropes!) because with things like the electric mouse it is obviously unreal and my ability to role with it is easy to do. But when it comes to something small like the photosynthesizing mushroom it causes me confusion. Darn you BIO 111, why did you have to teach me the way plants and fungi work!

If Foongus had Clorophyll as one of its abillities it might have caused a small cofusion. However when it only have Synthesis as a move, like extremely many Grass pokémon do, it's nothing to worry about. We have pokémon hwho learn stranger moves. ( Punching Ghastly and Wooper comes to mind)

Weaver_8
17th July 2011, 4:57 PM
If Foongus had Clorophyll as one of its abillities it might have caused a small cofusion. However when it only have Synthesis as a move, like extremely many Grass pokémon do, it's nothing to worry about. We have pokémon hwho learn stranger moves. ( Punching Ghastly and Poliwag comes to mind)

... A punching Ghastly. How does that, I don't even... *sigh* never mind.

I believe we can all agree Foongus is cute non the less as is his final evo. You have a point, if its not a major aspect of the Pokemon I guess its nothing to get all poutty about.

CaptainCombusken
17th July 2011, 5:05 PM
Honestly I've never used a Poison-type in a game except for Weezing in LeafGreen. Not enough type advantages.

Agreed. I only ever used Roserade in a Platinum playthrough, back when I actually liked Grass types (I despise them now).

I would willingly use Nidoking/queen or Toxicroak though. But apart from being able to badly poison the opponent and be super-effective against grass (four other more common types also are), what can Poison do?

Scolipede is my favourite, simply because he has a secondary type and it isn't Grass. But Amoonguss ain't too bad. Garbodor is... OK.

KickAsh
17th July 2011, 8:21 PM
what can Poison do?
Nothing. Really almost nothing.
There's Toxic and Toxic Spikes, a handful of resistances (4), immunity to the Poison condition....
Yeah. Nothing.

Drummerdude
17th July 2011, 10:20 PM
My favorite Poison type this generation is Amoonguss. I don't dislike Garbodor's design, I just disliked using it in the playthrough I used it. Scolipede was ok when I used it. I've never used Amoonguss but I like the look of it.

Blazios
17th July 2011, 10:28 PM
Personally, I think Garbodor would be more of an interesting Pokémon had they made it Poison/Psychic. It does have psychic powers to stop itself from literally falling apart (and can learn Psychic as a result) and it would have been nice to see another unique typing.

thegreenwanderer
18th July 2011, 12:02 PM
I wish they had made zen mode darmanitan into an official pokemon, just the type (psychic/fire)Is awesome and would be a good replacement for those like me who dont have a victini.

donphant
18th July 2011, 1:09 PM
I wish they had made zen mode darmanitan into an official pokemon, just the type (psychic/fire)Is awesome and would be a good replacement for those like me who dont have a victini.

i dunno i like the fact its a pokemon on its own and it is an effect.
it just makes Darmanitan the little more unique.

and if you want a Victini try the trade board

thegreenwanderer
18th July 2011, 1:23 PM
i dunno i like the fact its a pokemon on its own and it is an effect.
it just makes Darmanitan the little more unique.

and if you want a Victini try the trade board

I dont , i think victini's banned from the official battle league.
I just really like the fire/psychic type and i wish the made more of these double type pokemon.

はるひ
19th July 2011, 2:12 AM
Best poison type? I am not fan of the poison types in this game. Amoonguss and maybe that's it. Overall, Haunter is the best one.

New question: I've using Beheeyem and Reuniclus (i spelled her name right. yipeeeeeeeeee) and yeah I am not feeling these guys. Especially Beheeyem. I wont use Munna because i'm not a fan of it.

But next team I wanna try a Swoobat. What do you think of these batty Pokemon? They are cute and got a cute move: Heart Stamp!

Silent Conversation
19th July 2011, 3:09 AM
But next team I wanna try a Swoobat. What do you think of these batty Pokemon? They are cute and got a cute move: Heart Stamp!

On the one hand, looking at Swoobat's stats, it doesn't look like a very good Pokemon. On the other hand, my sister used it on her in-game team and it did really well for her. So if you're using it competitively, I wouldn't necessarily recommend it, but if it's for an in-game team, then sure.

MetalFlygon08
19th July 2011, 3:45 AM
Once it get's DW and Simple+Calm mind or...

DW WOOBAT WITH QUIVER DANCE!

rocky505
19th July 2011, 4:07 AM
Unless Swoobat has Calm Mind it will suck.

SnugNBouncy
19th July 2011, 4:09 AM
... A punching Ghastly. How does that, I don't even... *sigh* never mind.

I believe we can all agree Foongus is cute non the less as is his final evo. You have a point, if its not a major aspect of the Pokemon I guess its nothing to get all poutty about.

Darn right foongus is cute! :D Just look at the sig! :)

Zhanton
19th July 2011, 10:51 AM
I used/am using a Swoobat on my IGRMT and early on it was great (especially since it evolved before Lv 20 for me) but now that my team is in the 60's, it's sort of not that impressive. Early on it's great, but it's just too frail and yeah. Simple + Calm Mind will be great when it's released, though.

DLO
19th July 2011, 1:08 PM
Well I like its design. As a Dwebble it is both cute and awsome at the same time. I can't say that Chrustle is cute, but the awsoemness never got away.I have tried it a little on-line and it was very good. However it wouldn't be anything without Shell Smash. I haven't tried him in-game, but I believe he can do quite well there too.

Wrong. Most sets don't even use Shell Smash: 70% of the sets use Curse. Since he's slow he doesn't care and ups his two best stats.

@Blazios: is your sig from the ED of Best Wishes?

GAMAGARUUu

XXD17
19th July 2011, 3:47 PM
Wrong. Most sets don't even use Shell Smash: 70% of the sets use Curse. Since he's slow he doesn't care and ups his two best stats.

@Blazios: is your sig from the ED of Best Wishes?

GAMAGARUUu

I don't see how that's wrong...the shell smash set for crustle is great especially if it has sturdy instead of solid rock...if maxed for speed EV's, a crustle can outspeed ceteris paribus hydreigon and haxorus after a shell smash and take them out with stone-edge or X-scissor...it's slow to start with but at least it's faster than most other shell smashers like carracosta...sure it's no cloyster but crustle can be REALLY good with shell smash...the curse set is more of a wall taking advantage of solid rock...I like shell smash-sturdy better...

arceus7
19th July 2011, 4:48 PM
thanks for that Ill make both and see which one I like, whats the shell smash nature? Jolly? OR adamant?

How many of you guys use the sub punch set on scrafty? I tried it and it sucsk horribly ingame, takes too damn long and scrafty is kinda mehhy with it, although I get a little annoyed with my mienshao because he can get 3ko'd with 3 80+ powered neutral attacks, super frail man super frail. But I still love him.

Anyone ever run a special set on mienshao? Wanna guage how useful it can be.

I made an awesome Trick room team with these pokemon choices
The only surefire member at this time is druddigon brave nature ( 252 atk 100 def 100 sp def rest 56 hp )
shuckle/reuniclus/beheeyem/conkeldurr
druddigon
amoongus/ferrothorn/torterra
gigalith/rhyperior/rampardos/golurk
snorlax/elektross/klinklang/crustle/confragrigus,r
zenmode darmanitan/swampert/samurott/heatran,bronzong,steelix

KickAsh
19th July 2011, 7:38 PM
Wrong. Most sets don't even use Shell Smash: 70% of the sets use Curse. Since he's slow he doesn't care and ups his two best stats.

What??
What sets are you using/reading? Shell Smash is Crustle's strong suit--in fact, Shell Smash and a lead set are the only things Crustle can really do reliably.
And "slow and doesn't care" applies to 0 Pokemon. Every slow Pokemon wants to be faster.

Crustle could probably pull off a Curse set but it has better options and Shell Smash is one of those things that is a better option.

XXD17
19th July 2011, 8:00 PM
thanks for that Ill make both and see which one I like, whats the shell smash nature? Jolly? OR adamant?

How many of you guys use the sub punch set on scrafty? I tried it and it sucsk horribly ingame, takes too damn long and scrafty is kinda mehhy with it, although I get a little annoyed with my mienshao because he can get 3ko'd with 3 80+ powered neutral attacks, super frail man super frail. But I still love him.

Anyone ever run a special set on mienshao? Wanna guage how useful it can be.

I made an awesome Trick room team with these pokemon choices
The only surefire member at this time is druddigon brave nature ( 252 atk 100 def 100 sp def rest 56 hp )
shuckle/reuniclus/beheeyem/conkeldurr
druddigon
amoongus/ferrothorn/torterra
gigalith/rhyperior/rampardos/golurk
snorlax/elektross/klinklang/crustle/confragrigus,r
zenmode darmanitan/swampert/samurott/heatran,bronzong,steelix


you definitely want jolly for shell smash crustle and impish for curse crustle...after a smash, crustle becomes faster than haxorus and hydreigon but they may be scarfed or there are the likes of alakazam, sceptile, seperior, weavile or the kami trio which may be faster still...as for scrafty, the bulk up one and the d-dance one both work better than subpunch (for me that is)...also, special mienshao is usable but not even close to as good as the physical set (once again for me that is)

CaptainCombusken
19th July 2011, 8:06 PM
In answer to the Swoobat question, ingame, it's great. Don't use Heart Stamp, it's outclassed by Confusion. Just keep its two STAB special moves throughout, so have Gust/Air Cutter/Air Slash and Confusion/Psychic/Possibly Future Sight in between the two. Then give it Fly when you get it. The last slot is up to you. I had Assurance, then Calm Mind, then I kept Shadow Ball until post main game when I got Energy Ball and gave it that.

I used Woobat in both Black and White. The same goes with Samurott. Oddly enough, both were Modest natured. And in Black I just caught the first one I could find, and in White I was only looking for a Male.

But competitively, they are awful. So don't use them in that instance.

And I prefer Bulk Up rather than Dragon dance for Scrafty. That way, I don't have to Move Tutor a Dragonite Ice Punch in 4th Gen and give it Dragon Dance to get the Scrafty I want (I use Ice Punch in my sets along with Bulk Up, Hi Jump Kick and Crunch- The Super-effective coverage it gives it excellent.)

As for Special Mienshao... no. It only has Access to Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Aura Sphere, Round and Hyper Beam in the special realm. Plus, unlike Lucario who can be used as a Special attacker rather effectively, Mienshao's Special attack isn't really that high.

Pokechan
20th July 2011, 2:15 AM
Has anyone tried Seismitoad yet ingame? I noticed that most of its natural movepool contains a lot special attacks. I like its design as ugly as it is there is a slight cuteness to it. And also what was Gamefreak thinking not letting Seismitoad learn Waterfall and ice type attacks like Ice Beam? I mean the poor thing has only poison type moves like Sludge Bomb and Sludge Wave to deal with some grass types, but it shouldn't be near grass types anyway.

Accipitri
20th July 2011, 2:27 AM
I used Seismitoad, the moveset I used was Scald / Drain Punch / Sludge Bomb / Bulldoze (I didn't do much after the E4). It did fine for me, it got decent coverage with those moves and generally did great when not fighting a grass type.

MetalFlygon08
20th July 2011, 4:48 AM
And I prefer Bulk Up rather than Dragon dance for Scrafty. That way, I don't have to Move Tutor a Dragonite Ice Punch in 4th Gen and give it Dragon Dance to get the Scrafty I want (I use Ice Punch in my sets along with Bulk Up, Hi Jump Kick and Crunch- The Super-effective coverage it gives it excellent.)



Isn't Scrafty also in the field group as well as Dragon? Meaning Smeargle Breeding...

JD
20th July 2011, 12:28 PM
Isn't Scrafty also in the field group as well as Dragon? Meaning Smeargle Breeding...

Yeah Scrafty is also in the Dragon field group. To be honest I kind of wish the Deino line kept their original cyber dragon concept but now that I think about it Dragon/Steel Hydreigon would be broken as hell but it would be awesome. I actually think this is a Yugioh card but imagine if Hydreigon looked like this instead of how it looks now?
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Journey
20th July 2011, 1:15 PM
What are some pokemon that make playing through White fun?

Geekachu
20th July 2011, 1:38 PM
What are some pokemon that make playing through White fun?

Liligant, Crustle, Darmanitan, Archeops, Samurott, Scrafty, Sigilyph, Excadrill, Sawsbuck, Whimsicott, Reuniclus, Krookodile, Sawk/Throh, Golurk, Haxorus, Seismitoad, Jellicent, Chandelure, Conkeldurr, Eelektross, Galvantula... Just ones that sprung to mind.

XXD17
20th July 2011, 4:00 PM
Yeah Scrafty is also in the Dragon field group. To be honest I kind of wish the Deino line kept their original cyber dragon concept but now that I think about it Dragon/Steel Hydreigon would be broken as hell but it would be awesome. I actually think this is a Yugioh card but imagine if Hydreigon looked like this instead of how it looks now?
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I personally would not like that at all...

Grei
20th July 2011, 5:42 PM
Isn't Scrafty also in the field group as well as Dragon? Meaning Smeargle Breeding...

Yup. Smeargle was the one that got Zen Headbutt, Dragon Dance, and Drain Punch onto my Scrafty.

Blackjack the Titan
20th July 2011, 6:05 PM
Yeah Scrafty is also in the Dragon field group. To be honest I kind of wish the Deino line kept their original cyber dragon concept but now that I think about it Dragon/Steel Hydreigon would be broken as hell but it would be awesome. I actually think this is a Yugioh card but imagine if Hydreigon looked like this instead of how it looks now?
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Being a Steel/Dragon would've made a bt more use of Levitate.

KickAsh
20th July 2011, 9:33 PM
What are some pokemon that make playing through White fun?
Scrafty, as anyone else here will tell you.
Also, it was a joy to use Darmanitan. I had a blast raising it and using it.

TheEpicGoomba
20th July 2011, 9:37 PM
Has anyone tried Seismitoad yet ingame? I noticed that most of its natural movepool contains a lot special attacks. I like its design as ugly as it is there is a slight cuteness to it. And also what was Gamefreak thinking not letting Seismitoad learn Waterfall and ice type attacks like Ice Beam? I mean the poor thing has only poison type moves like Sludge Bomb and Sludge Wave to deal with some grass types, but it shouldn't be near grass types anyway.

I have and oh boy it's proberly one of the best Water Types I've used(Except starters). It has a Wide Range of Moves and pretty good stats. I'm glad I used it.

thekorean
20th July 2011, 11:41 PM
Should have taught my Bagon Outrage before importing it to Black.

arceus7
21st July 2011, 12:43 AM
Hydreigons based of Godzilla's nemesis alien 3 headed Dragon Lord Ghidora so dark type works .

All Godzilla series based creatures are Dark types.



HHHHOOOOO doo I liiiike my druddigon XD its soooo awesome on my trick room team. XDD

Plus free outrages ftw,

Wonder if they will make an outrage pokemon with own tempo. ( love using petal dance + own tempo on liligant) what is hydreigon,garchomp and haxorus's dream world abilities?

seismitoad and crustle are fun to use, deino and axew as well, mienshao is fun as well.
raising a krookodile and a roggenrola are fun too ( they made my battle with elesa easy Smack down+bulldoze FTW)

never used sawk or throh though

quagsire is looking quite fun to use now ( simple what fun)

rocky505
21st July 2011, 1:00 AM
Hydreigons based of Godzilla's nemesis alien 3 headed Dragon Lord Ghidora so dark type works .

All Godzilla series based creatures are Dark types.
Volcarona is not a dark type.

R_N
21st July 2011, 3:10 AM
Hydreigon is not based on Ghidora

and his original design was based on tanks, not actually being a cyber dragon

KickAsh
21st July 2011, 3:18 AM
Alright let's get an actual topic going.

Did anyone use their monkey past the first gym, and if you did, how did it do?

For me, I used my Panpour on Black up until Elesa, but I ditched it in Nimbasa City because I wanted to use a Jellicent as my Water type.

GalladeX
21st July 2011, 3:47 AM
I've used Simisage throughout the entire game.

He's really good. He lags behind a little during the main game, but I feel post-game is where he really shines.
The monkey trio are honestly very underrated Pokemon.

Riarra
21st July 2011, 5:06 AM
HHHHOOOOO doo I liiiike my druddigon XD its soooo awesome on my trick room team. XDD

Yay, someone else who likes Druddigon! I haven't used it on a Trick Room team (because I haven't tried competitive battling yet) but I loved my Druddigon in-game; at first her Speed really bothered me, then I guess I got used to compensating for it and Revenge WAS SO VERY AWESOME.

Opinions on Druddigon?

manifesto
21st July 2011, 5:08 AM
I used my Simisear up until around the 8th gym when I just decided he didn't fit anymore. Oh well, he was a good pokemon for the entire time I used him.

thekorean
21st July 2011, 5:11 AM
Gave up monkey immediately after 1st gym to be replaced by SAWK! The awesomeness of blue Kmartial art machine cannot be stated enough.

Cassiopeia
21st July 2011, 5:19 AM
Simisear was useful until I caught Darmanitan. Then it got boxed.

SnugNBouncy
21st July 2011, 5:23 AM
Simisear was useful until I caught Darmanitan. Then it got boxed.

Darmanitan is phenomenal! I love zen mode :)

Master_of_grass
21st July 2011, 6:03 AM
Anyone else here think the starters were a little weak this gen since none of them had a really fabulous stat line. I mean look at Gen IV's starters movesets and stat lines compared to Gen V's. No Shell Smash for Oshawotts Line :( No Submission on Tepigs line (woulda gone great with its Dreamworld ability) :( No Agility or Aromatherapy or Dragon Pulse for Snivys. Compared to Empolions and Infernapes greatness they just don't stack up :(

Accipitri
21st July 2011, 6:46 AM
Well, there's the hopeful tutor moves in Gray to look forward to, hopefully there's a nice selection to open options up a bit more for pokemon lacking in moves.

Grei
21st July 2011, 9:56 AM
Anyone else here think the starters were a little weak this gen since none of them had a really fabulous stat line. I mean look at Gen IV's starters movesets and stat lines compared to Gen V's. No Shell Smash for Oshawotts Line :( No Submission on Tepigs line (woulda gone great with its Dreamworld ability) :( No Agility or Aromatherapy or Dragon Pulse for Snivys. Compared to Empolions and Infernapes greatness they just don't stack up :(

They don't really have to, though. I don't see the issue.

We can't always have a set of starters that tops the last, and quite frankly, I like this set of starters, not only for their designs, but because they aren't the best. It's almost a part of their charm. That's my inner hipster giving a thumbs-up. All of them are rather mediocre with none of them excelling at anything in the metagame. They're treated practically equally, which is nice.

CaptainCombusken
21st July 2011, 10:04 AM
I think the starters this gen are fine. I'm even starting to (slowly, mind you) warm to the Snivy line's designs. This gen's been odd to me. Everything I hated I now sort of like, and everything I liked, I now love.

As for the monkeys, I side trainer my Pansear on my White, or at least tried to. If you're using it ingame, evolve it the moment it learns Acrobatics. Otherwise it starts to get really weak compared with the rest of your team.
I trained a Simipour post E4. Now level 60. Not too bad.
I didn't use my Simisage much at all... I used Leavanny and then Sawsbuck instead.

ViperQueen
21st July 2011, 10:30 AM
They don't really have to, though. I don't see the issue.

We can't always have a set of starters that tops the last, and quite frankly, I like this set of starters, not only for their designs, but because they aren't the best. It's almost a part of their charm. That's my inner hipster giving a thumbs-up. All of them are rather mediocre with none of them excelling at anything in the metagame. They're treated practically equally, which is nice.

^Agreed

Stats doesn't really matter to me lol. I use pokemon that I like; even if their stats are low. Like Beautifly

arceus7
21st July 2011, 7:09 PM
Volcarona is not based on Mothra.

KickAsh
21st July 2011, 7:43 PM
I like the starters this gen. At first I really didn't like them and I wanted to believe they were fake, but after a while I've really grown to like them. I especially like the Snivy line, I think they may be my favorite Grass starters ever. I like Emboar, I think he looks good enough; and my original least favorite of the three, the Oshawott line, was the line I picked for White. So overall I think this gen got good starters except I really hope we don't get Fire/Fighting again next gen.



Opinions on Druddigon?
I hate it.
I always get some interest in using it because lots of people here seem to love it and I usually like underrated Dragons (Altaria, Flygon, Kingdra), but every time I get interested in using it I go look at it's Serebii page and I'm repulsed by its design.
One of these days, I might just suck it up and use it, but I don't think so.


Simisear was useful until I caught Darmanitan. Then it got boxed.

Darmanitan is phenomenal!
WOOHOO Darmanitan!! I love that guy.
I recently wrapped-up my playthrough of White and he was the highlight of the game for me. He was so fun to use it was awesome.

LexSuicune
21st July 2011, 7:56 PM
I wish there was a way to get me a Larvesta early on, It's the only fire type I want on my team.

Perhaps my only shot is hope someone trades me one :/

arceus7
21st July 2011, 9:46 PM
Get a pokemon with surf and surf over there with repels. You can get it as early as you get the C-gear

JD
21st July 2011, 10:54 PM
Get a pokemon with surf and surf over there with repels. You can get it as early as you get the C-gear

No you can't you can't use surf until you defeat Skyla so you can't get Larvesta as early as you get the C-gear unless he defeated Skyla already. I always settle for Darmanitan and Chandelure as my fire type I was going to try Heatmor once but I don't want to get a fire type that late in the game... I tried Pansear early on but he just sucked.

Cassiopeia
21st July 2011, 11:36 PM
No you can't you can't use surf until you defeat Skyla so you can't get Larvesta as early as you get the C-gear unless he defeated Skyla already. I always settle for Darmanitan and Chandelure as my fire type I was going to try Heatmor once but I don't want to get a fire type that late in the game... I tried Pansear early on but he just sucked.

The first gym allows you to use all HMs IIRC. So, trading.

Endless
21st July 2011, 11:36 PM
I used Simisear a lot more than I actually planned. I used him the whole way up to the E4, but bumped him for Hydreigon in the post game "story". He did do very well early in the game, but started to be weak around the last gyms. He didn't have a good movepool and I nearly used Flame Burst all the time. However i would chose him over Darmanitan any day because I like Simisear's design much better.


No you can't you can't use surf until you defeat Skyla so you can't get Larvesta as early as you get the C-gear unless he defeated Skyla already. I always settle for Darmanitan and Chandelure as my fire type I was going to try Heatmor once but I don't want to get a fire type that late in the game... I tried Pansear early on but he just sucked.
Actually, in BW, you can use any HM regarding of how many badges you have. However, as no pokemon learn Surf without the HM, you can't surf until Twist Mountain where you find it. You can always send over a pokemon who knows surf, but then it would be easier to just send over a Larvesta instead.

thekorean
22nd July 2011, 12:10 AM
Braviary should have been a fighting/flying type Pokemon, to counteract the dark/flying Mandibuzz, and its descriptions on Pokedex is a perfect fit for a fighting Pokemon. What a shame.

SnugNBouncy
22nd July 2011, 12:19 AM
Braviary should have been a fighting/flying type Pokemon, to counteract the dark/flying Mandibuzz, and its descriptions on Pokedex is a perfect fit for a fighting Pokemon. What a shame.

But in a sense, aren't all pokemon fighting types...?

arceus7
22nd July 2011, 1:00 AM
no. there not , in a "sense" fighting doesnt mean fighting it out fighting means the code of honor.

Endless
22nd July 2011, 1:09 AM
But in a sense, aren't all pokemon fighting types...?
In pokémon, the fighting type is given to pokemon that are based on pokemon that do matrial arts and a few who are connected to swords.

R_N
22nd July 2011, 2:46 AM
In pokémon, the fighting type is given to pokemon that are based on pokemon that do matrial arts and a few who are connected to swords.

It's not even really the swords per say. The Musketeers would, realistically, fight with their horns like a real horned-animal. And their hooves I imagine.
Gallade is still basically punching people with his bladearms & sword dancing is mostly physical.

Master_of_grass
22nd July 2011, 2:59 AM
They don't really have to, though. I don't see the issue.

We can't always have a set of starters that tops the last, and quite frankly, I like this set of starters, not only for their designs, but because they aren't the best. It's almost a part of their charm. That's my inner hipster giving a thumbs-up. All of them are rather mediocre with none of them excelling at anything in the metagame. They're treated practically equally, which is nice. dont get me wrong i love all this gens starters, but there movepools are all rather one dimensional, exception being emboar

thekorean
22nd July 2011, 3:31 AM
Am I the only one that thinks its messed up that a Pokemon I hatched from an egg by Ditto and other Pokemon can then breed with the said ditto?

Master_of_grass
22nd July 2011, 4:38 AM
Am I the only one that thinks its messed up that a Pokemon I hatched from an egg by Ditto and other Pokemon can then breed with the said ditto?

lol, thats messed up in so many ways

arceus7
22nd July 2011, 4:54 AM
dittos dont breed with dittos mate

Master_of_grass
22nd July 2011, 5:06 AM
dittos dont breed with dittos mate

ditto was either the mother or father

arceus7
22nd July 2011, 5:41 AM
I know Im saying something different.

I just want my ditto to breed with another ditto so I can get a fricken brave natured one than trying to find a brave synchronized munna ( crap encounter rate) or a brave ditto in giant chasm ( crap encounter rate again)

Master_of_grass
22nd July 2011, 6:23 AM
^ i feel your pain I spend 4 hours or so trying to get every nature on munna then did the same in giant chasm for ditto, but its worth it saves so much time for breeding :)

zerofield
22nd July 2011, 7:18 AM
Am I the only one that thinks its messed up that a Pokemon I hatched from an egg by Ditto and other Pokemon can then breed with the said ditto?
ALL of Pokemon breeding is messed up.I have literally made a wailord and a skitty make over 1000 eggs in one day O_O

arceus7
22nd July 2011, 6:29 PM
XD I hate it so much I restarted my soul silver and platinum just so I could get the riolu I needed ( need to put water pulse on my lucario,) and I can find dittos right infront of golden rod much faster soo..

I should probably find my fire red/leaf green version and go hunting for ditto's in cinabar island

ManhattanTheStarr
22nd July 2011, 6:53 PM
This is unbelievable. I've been looking for a female Emolga to add to my team, and they only have a 10% chance of appearing in shaking grass. Of course, I find nothing but Audino in about the first hour of searching. Eventually, I FINALLY find a female Emolga (I only encountered 3 Emolga in total) and catch it. Now, I'm trying to level up my Emolga on the same route I captured her on by Audino hunting. And now, all of a sudden, I'm finding DOZENS of Emolga and barely any Audino. What the hell's up with that? T_T

Ledyba
22nd July 2011, 7:27 PM
This is unbelievable. I've been looking for a female Emolga to add to my team, and they only have a 10% chance of appearing in shaking grass. Of course, I find nothing but Audino in about the first hour of searching. Eventually, I FINALLY find a female Emolga (I only encountered 3 Emolga in total) and catch it. Now, I'm trying to level up my Emolga on the same route I captured her on by Audino hunting. And now, all of a sudden, I'm finding DOZENS of Emolga and barely any Audino. What the hell's up with that? T_T

There's something with Emolga. If you search for it, it will not show up. If you don't search for it, they appear. ;)

MetalFlygon08
22nd July 2011, 10:42 PM
Didn't static get a boost to increase electric ecounters?

or am i just dreaming...

Pokechan
22nd July 2011, 11:34 PM
Didn't static get a boost to increase electric ecounters?

or am i just dreaming...
Static did get a boost to increase electric type encounters, but Emolga just wants to be difficult. When I wanted to catch it I found only Audinos, but when I wanted to Audino train I found 6 Emolgas in a row.

The Eleventh
23rd July 2011, 4:43 PM
Didn't static get a boost to increase electric ecounters?

or am i just dreaming...
It's had that boost since Emerald. Remember, it boosts by 50%, so there's a very big chance that you'll run into Electric-types, such as Emolga.

Đew™
24th July 2011, 4:20 AM
Don't worry, there's one thing even more annoying than that: trying to find a pokemon who has a 5% encounter rate in shaky grass. That's when you really wish that you don't find 2-3 consecutive emolgas...i mean, seriously, that's almost to the point of needle in a haystack, and, as if nintendo did hear people complain about how hard some things are to find because they're too lazy to level up the base form...they introduced the 1% chance of finding something in a "fishing spot" to really show players what it's really like to find a needle in a haystack! They are oh so kind...they let you figure out that there's >1% chance to get a milotic without trading! I don't know if their point is to try and make you feel really smart for realizing this, or to make you feel dumb looking for it, or even a combination of both!

Aurath8
24th July 2011, 3:47 PM
Don't worry, there's one thing even more annoying than that: trying to find a pokemon who has a 5% encounter rate in shaky grass. That's when you really wish that you don't find 2-3 consecutive emolgas...i mean, seriously, that's almost to the point of needle in a haystack, and, as if nintendo did hear people complain about how hard some things are to find because they're too lazy to level up the base form...they introduced the 1% chance of finding something in a "fishing spot" to really show players what it's really like to find a needle in a haystack! They are oh so kind...they let you figure out that there's >1% chance to get a milotic without trading! I don't know if their point is to try and make you feel really smart for realizing this, or to make you feel dumb looking for it, or even a combination of both!

Milotic has a 5% chance. Dragonite and dragonspiral tower is 1% but other than that, most fully-evolved pokemon in shaking grass (Kingdra, Slowking, Metagross, Mamoswine) are 5%.

XXD17
24th July 2011, 5:27 PM
Don't worry, there's one thing even more annoying than that: trying to find a pokemon who has a 5% encounter rate in shaky grass. That's when you really wish that you don't find 2-3 consecutive emolgas...i mean, seriously, that's almost to the point of needle in a haystack, and, as if nintendo did hear people complain about how hard some things are to find because they're too lazy to level up the base form...they introduced the 1% chance of finding something in a "fishing spot" to really show players what it's really like to find a needle in a haystack! They are oh so kind...they let you figure out that there's >1% chance to get a milotic without trading! I don't know if their point is to try and make you feel really smart for realizing this, or to make you feel dumb looking for it, or even a combination of both!

lol...I must of gotten pretty lucky considering I got a kingdra, a milotic, a dragonite, and a tyranitar this way...they sucj=k in terms of stats though...


also, is it just me or has milotic been seriously downgraded this gen? my shiny calm milotic can't do as well as it did back in gen 4...especially in competitive...

Grei
24th July 2011, 6:54 PM
It's possibly that you're fighting different (stronger) Pokemon now. Milotic lost Dragon Pulse and Water Pulse from 4th Gen to 5th Gen, and gained Dragon Tail and Bulldoze. It also lost Avalanche and random moves that nobody uses like Psych Up and Captivate (but gained Light Screen). It losing Water Pulse and Dragon Pulse kind of sucks, but it shouldn't be making Milotic any worse than it was before.

So, I would suggest either trading over Milotic from DPPtHGSS with it knowing those good moves, or give it the egg moves Brine and Dragon Pulse from a Seadra.

KickAsh
24th July 2011, 6:56 PM
also, is it just me or has milotic been seriously downgraded this gen? my shiny calm milotic can't do as well as it did back in gen 4...especially in competitive...
No, it hasn't been downgraded. The reason it seems worse is because of the new threats and better Pokemon B/W introduced. This is especially true in competitive play.
EDIT: Ninja'd....

Milotic lost Dragon Pulse and Water Pulse

^Although this isn't true. Milotic still gets Water Pulse through level-up. It just loses it through TM because in 5th gen TM03 is Psyshock.
It also still gets Psych Up and Captivate, it didn't lose either.

Grei
24th July 2011, 7:18 PM
^Although this isn't true. Milotic still gets Water Pulse through level-up. It just loses it through TM because in 5th gen TM03 is Psyshock.
It also still gets Psych Up and Captivate, it didn't lose either.

Oh, oops. I was only paying attention to the TM list and didn't look to see if it got those moves via Level-up.

Then it seems that Dragon Pulse is the only useful move it lost (which it can still get in the 5th Gen).

Đew™
25th July 2011, 12:31 AM
It seems like milotic upgraded more that it downgraded. Scald's effect just makes marvel scale better when the ability itself activates.

KickAsh
25th July 2011, 2:27 AM
Oh, oops. I was only paying attention to the TM list and didn't look to see if it got those moves via Level-up.

Then it seems that Dragon Pulse is the only useful move it lost (which it can still get in the 5th Gen).
Yeah it still gets Dragon Pulse as an egg move.
So really the only difference across the generation is that it gained Scald, which is quite a nice addition.

MetalFlygon08
25th July 2011, 3:46 AM
I really hope we get some special event pokemon soon,

and re-release the Pokemon Box Event Pokemon too.

An event move I'd like to see-

Sky Uppercut Pidove

Mabye a future DW update...

Shine
25th July 2011, 1:10 PM
^
Sky Uppercut is classified as a punch move (it is boosted by Iron Fist).

So how Pidove is supposed to use it? ;)

MetalFlygon08
25th July 2011, 5:00 PM
Unfeazant actually punches with it's feet acording to the 3d dex.

Endless
25th July 2011, 7:24 PM
I still think that is a kick. For something to be classified as a punch, it must be done with a fist.
To be honest, I think Unfeazant will stay useless, like Noctowl.

NeohopeSTF
26th July 2011, 5:50 AM
Unfezant is awesome IMO and the best regional Bird

thekorean
26th July 2011, 6:17 AM
Swellow is the best regional bird.

Pokémon Trainer J
26th July 2011, 6:33 AM
Unfeazant is the worst, Swellow and Staraptor are way above it

Đew™
26th July 2011, 11:44 AM
Unfezant is in a close tie for third for me.
Staraptor>swellow>unfezant>pidgeot>noctowl

Noctowl hasn't impressed me. It coulda been a psychic type, which would help it a lot. Anyways, unfezant just doesn't get a decent flying type move other than fly. Even then...it's movepool isn't much. Unfezant is honestly just like pidgeot. And swellow...is swellow. I've brought this up before (probably somewhere else in SPPF), elemental pecks would be intersesting things and could do wonders for some birds...the time for them is oversdue

JD
26th July 2011, 11:55 AM
Unfeazant is the worst, Swellow and Staraptor are way above it

Now I wouldn't say that... Unfezant really isn't bad the thing just got cursed with a bad moveset. Anyway I like Staraptor it's a physical flying type my type of Pokemon Swellow is decent it's just way to frail or at least it was back in R/S/E. Oh yeah Mandibuzz's Japanese name... it's really uhh nevermind o.O
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mandibuzz

The Eleventh
26th July 2011, 1:13 PM
Oh yeah Mandibuzz's Japanese name... it's really uhh nevermind o.O
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mandibuzz
Is that her official romanised name? It's a lot more... conspicuous than "Barujiina". :/

JD
26th July 2011, 3:23 PM
Is that her official romanised name? It's a lot more... conspicuous than "Barujiina". :/

Apparently it is, on Bulbapedia it says "Vulgina likely comes from vulture and regina, the Latin word meaning queen."

XXD17
26th July 2011, 5:39 PM
I like staraptor best and male unfezant second...all the rest are not so much...but I am a bit partial twards noctowl since I have a shiny one...I like unfezant not because it's useful (because it's not) but because I've always wanted a pheasant pokemon...

Pokémon Trainer J
26th July 2011, 7:45 PM
oh yeah i forgot about Noctowl, it should be psychic/flying but it would lose its spot amongst the "first routes normal/flying birds"
in order they are
Staraptor, Swellow, Pidgeot and Noctowl and Unfeazant share last place... too bad since i really like Owls, they should make an Ice/Flying Owl, like Harry Potter's one -Hedwig-

Grei
26th July 2011, 8:11 PM
I wish that Unfezant was a special counterpart to Staraptor. That would have been epic.

The Eleventh
26th July 2011, 10:06 PM
too bad since i really like Owls, they should make an Ice/Flying Owl, like Harry Potter's one -Hedwig-
I want this. Now. There are so many amazing ideas for Pokémon. And people say that Game Freak are running out of animals. >_<

thekorean
26th July 2011, 10:22 PM
Its ridiculous how only Pidgeotto can learn Hurricane.

Cassiopeia
26th July 2011, 10:32 PM
Its ridiculous how only Pidgeotto can learn Hurricane.

Hell no (http://www.serebii.net/attackdex-bw/hurricane.shtml)


10charlimit

Endless
26th July 2011, 11:01 PM
Hell no (http://www.serebii.net/attackdex-bw/hurricane.shtml)


10charlimit

I am pretty sure he was referring to the regional birds, and out of those, only Pidgeot can learn it.

I hope that we get a regional bird without the standard normal/flying type. I don't see why not because all the regional mammals were pure normal until Bibarel.

BIGJRA
26th July 2011, 11:31 PM
BIbarels typing is worthless. Linoone could surf already with out having to be water type.

NeohopeSTF
26th July 2011, 11:32 PM
BIbarels typing is worthless. Linoone could surf already with out having to be water type.
But it wasn't STAB...

arceus7
27th July 2011, 1:46 AM
Unfezant is a secretary bird not a pheasant

Endless
27th July 2011, 2:12 AM
Unfezant is a secretary bird not a pheasant

Unfezant is in no way a secretary bird. Have you ever seen one? Well this is a secretary bird: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Secretary-Bird.jpg (But I would have loved if we ever got a pokemon inspired by the secretary bird)

Unfezant on the other hand is physicaly based off of a roadrunner. While its sex change is probably from gamebirds, were the pheasant is a member.

thekorean
27th July 2011, 7:08 PM
The Pokemon Breeder in Stadium is absolutely useless. Does nothing for your EXP.

The Eleventh
27th July 2011, 7:56 PM
The Pokemon Breeder in Stadium is absolutely useless. Does nothing for your EXP.
Breeders have baby Pokémon most of the time; they're not going to be dishing out experience points. They do add to your Dex, at least.

I don't see how this has to do with any 5th Gen Pokémon.

arceus7
27th July 2011, 8:15 PM
Take a look at hatoboh and take a look at this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Sagittarius_serpentarius_Sekret%C3%A4r.JPG


the similarities in color girth and shape are astounding ( legs look the same too , hell it practically runs like a RoadRunner.

You cant deny the similarities!

BCVM22
27th July 2011, 9:50 PM
Why yes, thank you for posting that giant, unspoilered image to make your point. Fine job.

Kreis
27th July 2011, 9:57 PM
Take a look at hatoboh and take a look at this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Sagittarius_serpentarius_Sekret%C3%A4r.JPG


the similarities in color girth and shape are astounding ( legs look the same too , hell it practically runs like a RoadRunner.

You cant deny the similarities!

Dammit, man. Put that image in a link (as I did for you) or wrap [IMG200] tags around the image. Jesus Christ.

Grei
27th July 2011, 11:39 PM
Take a look at hatoboh and take a look at this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Sagittarius_serpentarius_Sekret%C3%A4r.JPG


the similarities in color girth and shape are astounding ( legs look the same too , hell it practically runs like a RoadRunner.

You cant deny the similarities!

Nobody was denying the similarities. :/ Bulbapedia says that Tranquill is a mixture between a dove and a roadrunner. I'm not sure why you're stretching the page to prove a point that nobody was disputing.

KickAsh
28th July 2011, 12:15 AM
Take a look at hatoboh and take a look at this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Sagittarius_serpentarius_Sekret%C3%A4r.JPG


the similarities in color girth and shape are astounding ( legs look the same too , hell it practically runs like a RoadRunner.

You cant deny the similarities!
No, Unfezant is not based on the Secretarybird. It is based on the pheasant, or at least the gamebirds in general.
You can tell because of the English name Unfezant, its German name (Fasasnob, which is derived from fasan, the German word for pheasant), and its French name (Déflaisan, which comes from déplaisant , the French word for pheasant).
Also, Unfezant displays sexual dimorphism, which pheasants are known for. And of course there is the fact that Unfezant looks like a pheasant. Male Unfezants are brightly colored, with the same colored underbelly of male pheasants. They also have the same beaks and body shape (which is rounder and plumper than a Secretarybird). Meanwhile, female pheasants are have a more subdued color scheme with a light brown underbelly. This significantly resembles a female pheasant.
So I think it's safe to say that Unfezant is based on the pheasant. There are some similarities between Unfezant and a Secretarybird, but that is just because the pheasant and Secretarybird are similar looking birds.

Paradoxe
28th July 2011, 3:34 AM
Oh god, what has this thread descended into.

thekorean
28th July 2011, 4:34 AM
Dream World pokemon-

Staryu with Analytic ability or Horsea with Octazooka?

KickAsh
28th July 2011, 6:15 AM
Dream World pokemon-

Staryu with Analytic ability or Horsea with Octazooka?
Analytic doesn't really add anything to Staryu-- it has base 115 Speed stat, so it has pretty good odds of outspeeding opposing Pokemon. And anyway, Natural Cure is a much better ability.
Meanwhile Octazooka is not a great attack, so if you plan on using Horsea then you should try something else. Horsea has a lot of other things to offer.
So I guess you should use Natural Cure Staryu or Horsea without Octazooka. Both Staryu and Kingdra are really good Pokemon, so pick whichever one you like more and go for it. Just my 2 cents.

FallenStar93
28th July 2011, 9:32 AM
Dream World pokemon-

Staryu with Analytic ability or Horsea with Octazooka?

Analytic is useless for Staryu. Staryu's highest stat is its Speed, and there are few Pokémon who are faster than Staryu and Starmie.
However, Analytic is a great ability for Beeheeyem and Magnezone. Both are extremely slow, so almost every Pokémon will outspeed them.

KuroiMawile
28th July 2011, 9:42 AM
Analytic BEM is my dream come true. Then again so is No Guard Golurk. Speaking of how would Klutz help it?

General Nonsense
28th July 2011, 5:56 PM
Speaking of how would Klutz help it?

I'm pretty sure it doesn't. Klutz is only useful when you're using Trick or Switcheroo. Golurk can't learn either of those moves.

acetrainerdov
28th July 2011, 6:24 PM
aagreed its just messed up with golurk

Endless
28th July 2011, 11:21 PM
Take a look at hatoboh and take a look at this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Sagittarius_serpentarius_Sekret%C3%A4r.JPG


the similarities in color girth and shape are astounding ( legs look the same too , hell it practically runs like a RoadRunner.

You cant deny the similarities!
If you had even read my post you would have seen that I provided nearly the same picture, just as a link and not an oversized image. And no, they aren't similar.

Why are you taling about roadrunners now? Yes, I know Unfezant is one, but I said it was not a secretary bird.

On the topic of Golurk and Klutz, it really isn't any good reasons to use it, Iron Fist and No Guard are much better.
Speaking of Golurk, we all remember this guy?
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/2c/James_Turner.jpg
Yeah, it is James Turner, the hated American guy that designed Vullaby, Golett line and the Vannilite line. However everybody said he was American, but on Bulbapedia it says he is British.

thekorean
28th July 2011, 11:32 PM
I am pretty sure he was referring to the regional birds, and out of those, only Pidgeot can learn it.

I hope that we get a regional bird without the standard normal/flying type. I don't see why not because all the regional mammals were pure normal until Bibarel.
Yep thats what i meant.

Nebbio
28th July 2011, 11:54 PM
If you had even read my post you would have seen that I provided nearly the same picture, just as a link and not an oversized image. And no, they aren't similar.

Why are you taling about roadrunners now? Yes, I know Unfezant is one, but I said it was not a secretary bird.

On the topic of Golurk and Klutz, it really isn't any good reasons to use it, Iron Fist and No Guard are much better.
Speaking of Golurk, we all remember this guy?
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/2c/James_Turner.jpg
Yeah, it is James Turner, the hated American guy that designed Vullaby, Golett line and the Vannilite line. However everybody said he was American, but on Bulbapedia it says he is British.

The Vullaby line isn't so bad. Vanilite though. He could have spent his time making a better Pokemon design. Oh mah gawd... a meerkat Pokemon...

BCVM22
29th July 2011, 12:03 AM
He could have spent his time making a better Pokemon design.

Tremendously flawed premise that presupposes time spent is proportional to the "quality" of the design, itself a tremendously subjective metric. The designs that people claim to love could have been 2-minute strokes of artistic genius; the ones that people are small-minded enough to claim they hate could have been the result of several days of work.

That all is just a complicated way of saying hating on certain designs wasn't funny, cool, smart, intelligent or anything else positive months ago and that hasn't changed any. Move on, people.

Pokémon Trainer J
29th July 2011, 12:57 AM
Vanilite though. He could have spent his time making a better Pokemon design.


Tremendously flawed premise that presupposes time spent is proportional to the "quality" of the design, itself a tremendously subjective metric. The designs that people claim to love could have been 2-minute strokes of artistic genius; the ones that people are small-minded enough to claim they hate could have been the result of several days of work.

That all is just a complicated way of saying hating on certain designs wasn't funny, cool, smart, intelligent or anything else positive months ago and that hasn't changed any. Move on, people.

That is just a saying,,, you don't need to get all technical, i feel the same they could have spend more time working on Vanilite's, Foongus' and Kling's line, and by that i mean analizing the design, finding the real appeal to the pokémon trainers and not just filling spaces in the dex

BCVM22
29th July 2011, 1:01 AM
i feel the same they could have spend more time working on Vanilite's, Foongus' and Kling's line, and by that i mean analizing the design, finding the real appeal to the pokémon trainers and not just filling spaces in the dex

Which is still trying to pass off complete subjectivities as facts. In what way do you feel they failed at "analizing the design" [sic] and what exactly defines "the real appeal to the pokémon trainers"? Both are just made-up terms.

Again, you're still trying to say "I'm not a fan of this Pokémon and thus it was bad." That's what these inane complaints boil down to and that's why they're just noise.

Nebbio
29th July 2011, 1:05 AM
Which is still trying to pass off complete subjectivities as facts. In what way do you feel they failed at "analizing the design" [sic] and what exactly defines "the real appeal to the pokémon trainers"? Both are just made-up terms.

Again, you're still trying to say "I'm not a fan of this Pokémon and thus it was bad." That's what these inane complaints boil down to and that's why they're just noise.

He/she didn't say the Pokemon was bad, he/she said he/she wanted it's design to to have been better. Doesn't mean it is bad.

Endless
29th July 2011, 1:05 AM
That is just a saying,,, you don't need to get all technical, i feel the same they could have spend more time working on Vanilite's, Foongus' and Kling's line, and by that i mean analizing the design, finding the real appeal to the pokémon trainers and not just filling spaces in the dex

I am pretty sure they spent alot of time analyzing the desing of every single pokemon. There isn't really anything that will appeal to all trainers. Not everyone can like the same thing. And lastly, they are in no way "just filling spaces in the dex", if that was the goal, then they would probably have used more of the thousand pokemon designs from Gen 1 that didn't make it. They do analyze each pokemon.

Pokémon Trainer J
29th July 2011, 1:07 AM
you got to be kidding me, how they failed in the design? WTF they are an ice-cone, a mushroom and a gear, your are so pokémon blinded and can´t see the **** in front of you

I am pretty sure they spent alot of time analyzing the desing of every single pokemon.

how can you be sure, were you in the same room as they or at least as the united states citizen -hate the term "american"- that created Vanillite

Endless
29th July 2011, 1:15 AM
you got to be kidding me, how they failed in the design? WTF they are an ice-cone, a mushroom and a gear, your are so pokémon blinded and can´t see the **** in front of you


how can you be sure, were you in the same room as they or at least as the united states citizen -hate the term "american"- that created Vanillite

Ok, I can get how some people don't like food based pokemon. But gears isn't really new, we have magnets and a pile of sludge and so on. And a mushroom, that isn't really anything wrong with from any perspective, unless you hate mushrooms.

It is quite common for game developers to think about what they make and as a team many people so over the same pokemon many times. You are right, I can't be 100% sure, but it is very common to think about things before you publish one of the largest games in the world.


He/she didn't say the Pokemon was bad, he/she said he/she wanted it's design to to have been better. Doesn't mean it is bad.
Still think he like the designs?

Nebbio
29th July 2011, 1:20 AM
Ok, I can get how some people don't like food based pokemon. But gears isn't really new, we have magnets and a pile of sludge and so on. And a mushroom, that isn't really anything wrong with from any perspective, unless you hate mushrooms.

It is quite common for game developers to think about what they make and as a team many people so over the same pokemon many times. You are right, I can't be 100% sure, but it is very common to think about things before you publish one of the largest games in the world.


Still think he like the designs?

............"sigh". Yet again another failed argument.

BCVM22
29th July 2011, 1:21 AM
He/she didn't say the Pokemon was bad, he/she said he/she wanted it's design to to have been better. Doesn't mean it is bad.

Can't imagine how or where I got that idea.


you got to be kidding me, how they failed in the design? WTF they are an ice-cone, a mushroom and a gear, your are so pokémon blinded and can´t see the **** in front of you

Or it could be that you're so blinded by irrationality that you can't see how little sense your argument makes, such as it is.

Either way.