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bobandbill
27th September 2010, 3:05 AM
As suggested, this thread is for discussion on breeding Pokemon in 5th gen and any new egg move changes/chains that now exist in this gen. Typically threads like this get made for a new gen/game, so here is this gen's edition.

Every so often I'll edit info in - I suppose the general aim is to have it look something like the 4th gen breeding/egg move faq thread here: http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=261577

The following comes from that thread as well, written by TotalPotato. It's 4th gen info though so it will need some changing up as some additions/changes to it may have been made to 5th gen.



[1] Introduction
[2] What's so great about breeding?
[3] How do I breed my Pokémon?

[3a] Pokémon that give birth to an offspring of a different species

[3b] Ditto
[4] Incenses
[5] Egg Groups

[5a] Genderless Egg Group

[5b] Unbreedable Egg Group

[5c] Manaphy and Phione
[6] Passing down moves

[6a] Volt Tackle

[6b] Chain Breeding

[6c] Breeding Bridges

[6d] Smeargle
[7] Illegal move combinations
[8] Passing down IVs
[9] Techniques for better breeding
[10] Frequently Asked Questions
[11] The big list of Egg Moves

[1] Introduction

This thread is all about breeding. If you are a Trainer who is new to breeding and wants to know how to breed, what the benefits of breeding are and so forth, you will be eased into the process. If you are a veteran Trainer, there will most likely be something you for you to learn here too, as the 4th Generation of Pokémon games has introduced new Pokémon, new moves, new restrictions and new opportunities when it comes to breeding.

[2] What's so great about breeding?

Breeding Pokémon has several advantages. Here are some reasons as to why you would like to breed your Pokémon:

1. Complete your Pokédex. Some Pokémon can only be obtained in the 4th Generation by breeding. Taillow, the pre-evolution to Swellow, is just one of the Pokémon exclusively available through breeding in the 4th Generation (without trading).

2. Transfer good IVs. An IV (Individual Value) is a number from 0-31 assigned to a particular stat, which determines how high the stats of your Pokémon can get. By breeding your Pokémon, it is possible to pass some of these IVs onto another.

3. Learn new moves. This is arguably the greatest incentive to breed. Most Pokémon have certain moves that they can only learn by breeding - called Egg Moves - many of which can be useful on their movesets. With the dawn of Wi-Fi battling, breeding for unique moves has become all the more important in gaining a vital advantage that could lead to victory.

4. Conserve TMs. Some TMs can only be used once, so using them only when absolutely necessary is important if you want the same TM move on multiple Pokémon. TM moves can be passed down by breeding just like Egg Moves can simply by breeding a Pokémon that learns the TM move naturally with another Pokémon. This is useful for saving the TM of a great move like Earthquake.

[3] How do I breed my Pokémon?

To breed your Pokémon, you must leave them in the Daycare Centre. In Pokémon Diamond, Pearl and Platinum, this is located in Solaceon City. In Pokémon Heart Gold and Soul Silver, this is located on Route 34. For two Pokémon to breed, a male Pokémon must breed with a female Pokémon, and the two Pokémon must be in the same Egg Group (the sole exception to this rule being Ditto). The female determines the species of the offspring, which will be at the lowest evolutionary level of the species (unless an Incense is required to reach the lowest evolutionary level of the species).

If you have satisfied the above conditions, the Daycare Man outside will turn to face the right-hand side of the screen if he has an egg for you. The speed at which the old man outside the Daycare Centre will obtain an egg depends on two factors: the Pokémon's species and the Pokémon's ID numbers. If he does not have an egg, he will instead give you a message which gives you an indication on how quickly he will obtain an egg:
"The two seem to get along very well." - the two Pokémon are the same species and have different ID numbers. They will breed quickly.
"The two seem to get along." - the two Pokémon either are the same species and have the same ID number, or are not the same species and have different ID numbers. They will breed at a medium rate.
"The two don't seem to like each other much." - the two Pokémon are not the same species and have the same ID number. They will breed slowly.
"The two prefer to play with other Pokémon than each other." - the two Pokémon cannot breed and will not produce an egg. They may be the same gender, in different Egg Groups, or one/both Pokémon may belong to the Genderless or Unbreedable Egg Group.

At the moment the Daycare Man receives the Egg, most of the characteristics of the Pokémon inside will be set. Its gender, ability, and nature will be set; but its IVs are only set when you take the Egg from him. It takes a set number of steps to hatch an egg, and this can be checked by looking at that Pokémon's entry on the Serebii Dex (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/). When an egg hatches, your new Pokémon will be at Level 1.

[3a] Pokémon that give birth to an offspring of a different species

There are two Pokémon that have an equal chance of giving birth to an offspring of a different species. Nidoran-F has an equal chance of giving birth to another Nidoran-F and a Nidoran-M, while Illumise has an equal chance of giving birth to another Illumise and a Volbeat.

[3b] Ditto

Ditto can breed with any Pokémon (except those in the Unbreedable Egg Group and other Ditto), and produces an offspring of the same species as the Pokémon Ditto bred with.

[4] Incenses

An Incense is an item that can be attached to certain Pokémon in order to enable them to breed to produce a baby Pokémon. These Pokémon often have different Level-up moves and extra Egg Moves to their evolutions. Below is a list of all Pokémon that produce a Pokémon that is different from usual while holding an Incense upon breeding:

Chansey/Blissey (Luck Incense) -> Happiny
Mr. Mime (Odd Incense) -> Mime Jr.
Snorlax (Full Incense) -> Munchlax
Marill/Azumarill (Sea Incense) -> Azurill
Sudowoodo (Rock Incense) -> Bonsly
Wobbuffet (Lax Incense) -> Wynaut
Mantine (Wave Incense) -> Mantyke
Roselia/Roserade (Rose Incense) -> Budew
Chimecho (Pure Incense) -> Chingling

[5] Egg Groups

All Pokémon belong to at least one Egg Group (some belong to two). The Egg Groups are loosely based on the Pokémon's appearance. There are a total of 15 Egg Groups, 2 of which we shall look at in more detail because of the special conditions attached to them. The Egg Group/s each Pokémon belongs to can be checked on the Serebii Dex (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/).
Any two Pokémon of opposite gender who share an Egg Group can breed, no matter how silly it may seem. For instance, Diglett, sharing the title of the smallest Pokémon to exist (a minuscule 0'08" tall) belongs to the Ground Egg Group, and Wailord, the largest Pokémon to exist (a colossal 47'07" tall) belongs to the Ground and the Water 2 Egg Groups. The two Pokémon each share an Egg Group, and so they can breed, despite the immense difference in size.

[5a] Genderless Egg Group

The Pokémon in this group have no gender (but are not legendary), and so cannot pass or receive any Egg Moves. They are capable of breeding with only one Pokémon - Ditto.

[5b] Unbreedable Egg Group

The Pokémon in this group include legendary Pokémon, baby Pokémon, Nidorina and Nidoqueen. These Pokémon cannot breed with any other Pokémon - not even Ditto.

[5c] Manaphy and Phione

Unlike other legendary Pokémon, Manaphy can breed, but only with Ditto. The egg produced when leaving the two Pokémon in the Daycare Centre hatches into Phione, a weaker version of Manaphy with a smaller movepool. Phione does not evolve into Manaphy, but it can also breed with Ditto to produce further Phione.

[6] Passing down moves

By breeding two Pokémon strategically, moves can be passed down. There are four different types of moves that can be learned upon hatching:

Birth Moves: These moves are learned at birth.
Level-up Moves: Moves that the hatched Pokémon can learn by levelling up can also be learned at birth. If both parents know the Level-up Move, it can be bred onto the offspring, unless the lowest form of the evolutionary line cannot learn the move - for instance, two Rapidash with Megahorn cannot breed to produce a Ponyta with Megahorn, since Megahorn is not a Level-up move for Ponyta.
Egg Moves: The moves are passed on to the offspring by the father. If the father knows the Egg Move, it can be bred onto the offspring.
TM/HM Moves: These moves are bred onto Pokémon in the same way that Egg Moves are. When trying to pass TM moves down, you must make sure the lowest form of the evolutionary line can learn the TM move - for instance, Marshtomp and Swampert can learn Stealth Rock by TM, but Mudkip cannot, so Stealth Rock cannot be bred onto the Mudkip line.

If a lot of moves are bred onto a Pokémon, Birth Moves can be pushed out of the hatchling's starting moveset. For instance, if a male Blaziken with the moves Fire Punch, Double Kick, Blaze Kick and Sky Uppercut was bred with a female Chimchar, the baby Chimchar would have Leer, Fire Punch, Double Kick and Blaze Kick as its starting moveset. In this way, Chimchar's Scratch (a Birth Move) has been pushed out of the moveset by the other Egg Moves.

If a male Pokémon breeds with a Ditto, Ditto will act as a female of that species. In this way, a male Pokémon can pass Egg Moves down to an offspring of its own species. Since Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan and Hitmontop are always male, breeding with Ditto is the only way to pass Egg Moves down to Tyrogue.

[6a] Volt Tackle

Volt Tackle is a special Egg Move for Pichu. If a female Pikachu or Raichu breeds with another Pokémon while holding a Light Ball (the Light Ball can also be held by the male if you're breeding with a male Pikachu or Raichu), the Pichu offspring will know Volt Tackle upon hatching.

[6b] Chain Breeding

Chain Breeding is taking multiple steps to breed one or more moves onto the Pokémon of your choice. Let's say you wanted a Goldeen (Egg Group: Water 2) with Haze and Sleep Talk as Egg Moves.

First, you would get a Male Whismur/Loudred/Exploud (Egg Groups: Monster/Ground) that knows Sleep Talk. You would then breed him with a Female Wooper/Quagsire (Egg Groups: Water 1/Ground) until you got a male Wooper.
You would then raise this Wooper to Level 43 to teach him Haze. Then, you would breed him with a female Remoraid/Octillery (Egg Groups: Water 1/Water 2) until you to got a Male Remoraid, in order to get the moves into the Water 2 Egg Group.
Finally, you would breed this Remoraid with a female Goldeen/Seaking to get a Goldeen with Haze and Sleep Talk. It may seem long and complex, but with practice, you can make your own chains using the Serebii Attackdex (http://www.serebii.net/attackdex-dp/), or you could just ask in this thread!

Simplified, the above chain looks like this:

Whismur (Sleep Talk at Level 41) -> Wooper (Haze at Level 43) -> Remoraid -> Goldeen

[6c] Breeding Bridges

To breed some moves onto certain Pokémon, it is sometimes necessary to cross over from one Egg Group to another, using a breeding bridge. In the above example, we had to use Remoraid as a breeding bridge to get Sleep Talk and Haze from the Water 1 Egg Group into the Water 2 Egg Group. Below is a list of all the breeding bridges in the 4th generation:

Monster/Water 1: Squirtle, Slowpoke, Lapras, Totodile, Mudkip
Monster/Ground: Nidoran-M, Rhyhorn, Mareep, Whismur
Monster/Plant: Bulbasaur, Chikorita, Tropius, Turtwig, Snover
Monster/Dragon: Charmander, Treecko, Gible
Water 1/Ground: Psyduck, Seel, Wooper, Delibird, Spheal, Piplup, Bidoof, Buizel
Water 1/Flying: Wingull
Water 1/Water 2: Remoraid, Relicanth
Water 1/Fairy: Marill
Water 1/Bug: Surskit
Water 1/Water 3: Omanyte, Kabuto, Corsola, Corphish
Water 1/Plant: Lotad
Water 1/Indeterminate: Shellos
Water 1/Dragon: Horsea, Dratini, Feebas
Ground/Fairy: Pikachu, Snubbull, Skitty, Mawile, Pachirisu
Ground/Flying: Farfetch'd
Ground/Water 2: Wailmer
Ground/Plant: Seedot
Ground/HumanShape: Spinda, Chimchar, Buneary, Lucario
Ground/Dragon: Ekans, Seviper
Flying/Fairy: Togetic
Flying/Dragon: Swablu
Water 2/Dragon: Magikarp
Fairy/Plant: Hoppip, Shroomish, Roselia, Cherubi
Fairy/Mineral: Snorunt
Fairy/Indeterminate: Castform
Bug/Plant: Paras
Bug/Water 3: Skorupi
Bug/HumanShape: Volbeat
Plant/HumanShape: Cacnea

If you want to see how all the Egg Groups connect to one another, take a look at this Breeding Circle (http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg84/TotalPotato/BreedingCircle.png) made by Psychic Politoed!

[6d] Smeargle

Smeargle can make many complex breeding chains a lot easier. It exclusively learns Sketch multiple times, which can be used to permanently teach Smeargle any Pokémon move. This allows Smeargle to cut out a lot of steps in certain breeding chains involving two or more moves. Smeargle is in the Ground Egg Group.

[7] Illegal move combinations

This term is often used to describe a combination of Egg Moves that cannot exist on a certain Pokémon. It has nothing to do with cheating devices or hacking. For example, the move combination of Tickle and Superpower is illegal on Turtwig, because none of the Pokémon that learn Tickle by level-up can learn Superpower by breeding and vice versa.

[8] Passing down IVs

When you breed two Pokémon, there is a chance that some IVs from either parent could be passed down. The hatchling inherits three IVs for different stats from their parents, and the other three are randomly generated. Let's say you wanted a Machop with 31 IVs (the maximum possible value) in the Attack stat. The chances for the Machop to be born with 31 Attack IVs would be greatly increased by breeding your Female Machop with a Male Buneary that you have in your PC that happens to have 31 IVs in Attack. However, HP and Defense IVs are more difficult to pass down than IVs in other stats (this is because the hatchling's first inherited IV is one from any of the parents' stats, the second is from any of the parents' stats excluding HP, and the third is from any of the parents' stats excluding HP and Defense).

To calculate your Pokémon's IVs, use MetalKid's IV calculator (http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/OnlineProgram/Calculators/IV.aspx).

[9] Techniques for better breeding

There are ways in the 4th generation in which breeding can be eased or sped up:

1. If you are breeding two Pokémon, and the mother/Ditto is holding an Everstone, there is a 50% chance of the offspring having the same nature as the mother/Ditto. When breeding a female Pokémon and a Ditto, the Everstone must be on the Ditto for this technique to work. This is a very useful technique when trying to breed for a Pokémon with a particular nature.

2. If you have a Pokémon with Flame Body or Magma Armor in your party while you are carrying an egg around, the egg will hatch in 1/2 - 2/3 the usual time. This effect is not cumulative - having two Pokémon with Flame Body or Magma Armor in your party will not make the egg hatch in a 1/4 - 4/9 of the usual time.

3. A Pokémon's nature and ability can be checked before it hatches from its Egg! Simply place the Egg in a PC Box. Press R to move to an adjacent Box, and make sure that there is a Pokémon in this space. Under the Pokémon's name, different aspects of the Pokémon will be scrolled through in a rectangle (in order, these aspects are: Item, Type, Nature, Ability). Let it scroll through each aspect a few times until you're sure of the time interval between each aspect.
Now, let's say you wanted to check the nature of the Pokémon in the Egg. Put the pointer over the Pokémon in the adjacent Box. Just before it scrolls from type to nature, press L to move back to the Box containing the Egg. While you are moving from Box to Box, the nature of the Pokémon in the Egg should appear in the rectangle! This process can help you to discard Eggs with an undesirable nature or ability.
Note: This trick does not work in Pokémon Platinum.

[10] Frequently Asked Questions

Q: My Pokémon should be able to breed, but when I put them in the Daycare Centre, the Daycare Man tells me they can't breed. What's the problem?
A: If the message is "The two don't seem to like each other much", then there is no problem. Just be patient, and the Daycare Man will give you an egg. It's just a misleading message.
If the message is "The two prefer to play with other Pokémon than each other", the two Pokémon are incompatible. If the two Pokémon have the same gender, are in different Egg Groups, or if one/both Pokémon belong to the Genderless or Unbreedable Egg Group (remember that the Unbreedable Egg Group includes all baby Pokémon), they cannot breed.

Q: My male Sneasel knows Pursuit, and my female Sneasel knows Ice Punch, but when I breed them together, the offspring only knows Scratch, Leer, Taunt and Pursuit. Why doesn't it know Ice Punch? (Sneasel, Ice Punch and Pursuit are just examples here - this question covers a whole bunch of similar scenarios)
A: Remember that only males can pass down moves. The mother determines the species, while the father determines the Egg Moves learned. If you want your Sneasel to have both Ice Punch and Pursuit, they need to be on the same male (in this example, teach a male Smeargle both moves using Sketch, or breed Pursuit onto a Sneasel and teach it Ice Punch via the Platinum Move Tutor).

Q: Can Move Tutor moves be passed down by breeding?
A: Unless they also happen to be Egg Moves for that Pokémon, no.

Q: How do I get a Pichu with Volt Tackle?
A: This works a little differently from other Egg Moves. In this case, all you need to do is give the Pikachu or Raichu (either gender if you're using two of them) you're using to breed a Light Ball to hold. Upon hatching, the Pichu formed will know Volt Tackle.

Q: Why isn't the Everstone trick working?
A: First of all, if you're breeding with a Ditto, make sure the Everstone is on the Ditto. It has to be on the Ditto to work, even if you're breeding it with a female Pokémon. If you're not using a Ditto, make sure the Everstone's on the female Pokémon.
If that doesn't help, make sure that you're not just hatching the same egg over and over. From the moment the Daycare Man receives the Egg, everything about it except the IVs are set.
If it still isn't working, are one of your Pokémon from a different region copy of Diamond or Pearl? If so, the Everstone trick may not work - try again with two Pokémon from the same language version.
If after all that, it still isn't working, you've just got terrible luck. Make sure you're using the tricks outlined in [9] to speed things up, and just keep plugging away - your luck may turn around with persistence!

[11] The big list of Egg Moves

This list tells you the shortest way to get any Egg Move onto any Pokémon. There may be longer ways to breed the move if you only have access to certain Pokémon, but these are not listed here as there are many, many possibilities for longer breeding chains. You should either ask here or work out a chain yourself if you need a longer chain. You may want to use Ctrl+F to find the Egg Moves for the Pokémon you want.

The Pokémon are arranged into four sections depending on which region they first appeared in. They are then placed in numerical order in the National Dex, with only the lowest form of the Pokémon being shown for breeding Egg Moves onto. Pokémon that are born when the mother is holding an Incense are listed together with their evolution, as the Egg Move lists for most of these Pokémon differ slightly within the species (for instance, Budew has Extrasensory as an Egg Move, whereas Roselia does not). Azurill and Marill are listed separately as they both learn completely different Egg Moves.

In the breeding chains, the lowest form of the species of Pokémon that learns the necessary Egg Move is listed. However, the evolved forms are listed for moves that their pre-evolutions do not learn (such as Empoleon, being the only member of its family who learns Aqua Jet).

For any Pokémon in the Ground Egg Group, Smeargle can also be used to pass down the move, although he is not listed in any of the chains (unless using Smeargle is the only way to pass down a move).

The Egg Groups the Pokémon belong to are listed in brackets next to the name of the Pokémon. To find out what level a Pokémon learns a move at, use the Serebii Dex (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/). "N/A" next to an Egg Move means that although the move is listed as an Egg Move, there is currently no possible breeding chain for it in the 4th generation. In these cases, a 3rd generation alternative is listed next to the move.


If you have any questions about breeding or Egg Moves, feel free to post in this thread.






With that, post away! Once I make a number of posts that shall be edited later with egg move info!

bobandbill
27th September 2010, 3:06 AM
Reserve post for editing in info later the first!

bobandbill
27th September 2010, 3:06 AM
Reserve post for editing in info later the second!

bobandbill
27th September 2010, 3:06 AM
Reserve post for editing in info later the third!

bobandbill
27th September 2010, 3:06 AM
Reserve post for editing in info later the fourth!

bobandbill
27th September 2010, 3:06 AM
Reserve post for editing in info later the fifth!

bobandbill
27th September 2010, 3:07 AM
Reserve post for editing in info later the sixth hopefully that should be enough!

ForeverFlame
27th September 2010, 3:18 AM
I heard on Smogon that Dream World abilities can be passed on by breeding. Is this true?

CyndaquilRules
27th September 2010, 4:16 AM
I heard on Smogon that Dream World abilities can be passed on by breeding. Is this true?

Oh I hope not. That'd be rather displeasing..

Auraninja
27th September 2010, 4:18 AM
I would like to show my 5th Generation Breeding Circle.

http://img408.imageshack.us/i/5thgenbcproto1.jpg/

It is a prototype because I (or someone else) need to make extra sure that it is 100% accurate. I do think it is accurate though, but the way to check would be to list all of the interchanges between groups accordingly with the Pokemon that belong to such groups.

Also, I did a study of what breeding moves have to be taught to a male Pokemon by an obsolete TM in either the 3rd or 4th generation. Then, you have to transport it to the fifth generation and breed it with a female fifth generation Pokemon.

This list is incomplete, but here is what I found so far:
Water Pulse

Baibanira
Teach it to male Snorunt/Glalie through TM.

Dark Pulse

Sazandora
Teach it to male Ekans/Arbok, Gyarados, Seviper through TM.

Skill Swap

Shinpora
Teach it to a male Natu/Xatu through TM.

Oobemu
Teach it to a male Abra/Kadabra,Alakazam, Drowzee/Hypno, Mr. Mime, Spinda through TM.

Shock Wave

Maggyo
Teach it to a male Koffing/Weezing, Grimer/Muk, Lapras, Dratini/Dragonair/Dragonite, Wingull/Pelipper, Gulpin/Swalot, Castform, Shuppet/Banette, Chimecho, Bidoof/Bidarel, Drifloon/Drifblim, Misdreavus/Mismagius, Spiritomb, Ralts (family) through TM.

Stealth Rock

Kirikizan
Teach it to a male Chimchar/Monferno/Infernape through TM.

Endure/Captivate/ Sleep Talk/ Natural Gift

Any fifth generation Pokemon that can learn the move from breeding can learn it from practically any male Pokemon that is from their breeding group through TM.


Credits to Jigglychu for pointing out the obsolete TMs to begin with.


Also know that the Pokemon in the Ground breeding group are excluding because of trans-Smeargleing. I may work on the tutor moves from the past games as well.

Well, those are my current contributions.

Edit: I believe I have completed the obsolete TM breeding list. You can VM me in case I made mistakes.

Rakurai
27th September 2010, 5:26 AM
I heard on Smogon that Dream World abilities can be passed on by breeding. Is this true?

It is. I've heard that the female is the one who passes down the ability, though. Which is going to make female starters even greater in demand then ever.

Auraninja
27th September 2010, 5:52 AM
It appears that Shandera can only learn Heat Wave by breeding it with a male Slugma/Magcargo that learned it through a move tutor. What I find odd though is that Slugma/Magcargo have Heat Wave listed as an egg move, which I don't see how it can inherit since it is just in the Indeterminate breeding group. I guess this would confirm that some egg moves can only be obtained if you teach the male Pokemon a tutor move in the 4th generation. I may upgrade the list I was working on.

If you would like to help, you can send me a VM.

Hejiru
27th September 2010, 2:30 PM
Oh I hope not. That'd be rather displeasing..

Why? Sounds great to me. That way Pokemon can have both a Dream ability and an egg move.

DubaiESP
28th September 2010, 12:08 AM
Will I have Zorua with Extrasensory If I put him with Nuzleaf? And Komatama with PsicoCut If I put him with Gallade?

O Fortuna
28th September 2010, 3:13 AM
It appears that Shandera can only learn Heat Wave by breeding it with a male Slugma/Magcargo that learned it through a move tutor. What I find odd though is that Slugma/Magcargo have Heat Wave listed as an egg move, which I don't see how it can inherit since it is just in the Indeterminate breeding group. I guess this would confirm that some egg moves can only be obtained if you teach the male Pokemon a tutor move in the 4th generation. I may upgrade the list I was working on.

Interestingly enough, it has been an egg move for Slugma since Ruby and Sapphire were released, but it was not given a way for it to learn the move until Platinum.

CyndaquilRules
28th September 2010, 3:17 AM
Why? Sounds great to me. That way Pokemon can have both a Dream ability and an egg move.

Because it takes out some of the fun of the dream world.

I don't play competetively by the way.

Auraninja
28th September 2010, 4:20 AM
Will I have Zorua with Extrasensory If I put him with Nuzleaf? And Komatama with PsicoCut If I put him with Gallade?
First one, yes, they are both in the Ground breeding group (not to be confused with the Ground type). The second one, no, Komatama is in the Humanshape group and Gallade is in the Indeterminate.


Interestingly enough, it has been an egg move for Slugma since Ruby and Sapphire were released, but it was not given a way for it to learn the move until Platinum.I noticed that it was an egg move, but like you said, there was no way it could get that move until a move tutor.

magikot
28th September 2010, 7:04 AM
Because it takes out some of the fun of the dream world.

I don't play competetively by the way.

Even if you don't play competitively being able to breed pokemon with rare or useful abilities and egg moves (such as Shadow Tag Shanderra and Hydration Wish Vaporeon) for competitive players can help you fill up your pokedex, shiny dex, or event dex if you're more interested in collecting.

DubaiESP
28th September 2010, 1:21 PM
First one, yes, they are both in the Ground breeding group (not to be confused with the Ground type). The second one, no, Komatama is in the Humanshape group and Gallade is in the Indeterminate.

Thanks, then I will have to put Komatama with Medicham I guess.

Mario with Lasers
28th September 2010, 1:48 PM
Interestingly enough, it has been an egg move for Slugma since Ruby and Sapphire were released, but it was not given a way for it to learn the move until Platinum.

IIRC, Slugma/Magcargo from Pokémon XD had it, just like Razor Wind Scyther.

Auraninja
28th September 2010, 9:36 PM
IIRC, Slugma/Magcargo from Pokémon XD had it, just like Razor Wind Scyther.
I looked, and yes, you would be correct on that. Transferring from the GCN to the GBA to the DS and then transferring to the B/W games would seem like such a feat, but you can do that. Keep in mind, though, that in some of my list of how to get fifth gen Pokemon to learn obsolete TM egg moves, you can get a Pokemon that already knew the move to breed. For example, if you caught a Male Snorunt in XD, then it would already have Water Pulse and you can trasnsfer it to breed with any Pokemon in the "Ice Cream" family. I still counted it thought.

Speaking of counting stuff, I may add Pokemon in the Ground breeding group to my list that I mentioned, even though they can learn the moves by trans-Smeargleing. I may look at that.

wolfylink
29th September 2010, 10:44 PM
please!! anyone help about the natures of pokemon becuse its in japaness X_X i dont understand anything .

Rakurai
29th September 2010, 10:54 PM
please!! anyone help about the natures of pokemon becuse its in japaness X_X i dont understand anything .

The page about natures on the main Serebii website has a Japanese to English translation for all of them,

Katharina27
3rd October 2010, 9:38 PM
I've heard that some of the breeding mechanics around the Everstone have changed. On Gamefaqs, people have said that the Nature transfer works when breeding foreign Pokemon, now. Does the Masuda Method still work?

LV100
4th October 2010, 6:31 AM
Has breeding been improved or even altered in any way? All I've noticed is that the everstone seemed to have a higher success rate when passing natures, which could just be dumb luck.

Rakurai
4th October 2010, 6:43 AM
Has breeding been improved or even altered in any way? All I've noticed is that the everstone seemed to have a higher success rate when passing natures, which could just be dumb luck.

Supposedly, it's no longer possible to save before taking the egg in order to make sure you get a Pokemon with the right nature, gender, and ability, which is going to make getting that perfect Pokemon a bigger pain then it ever was before.

Lorde
4th October 2010, 6:51 AM
Supposedly, it's no longer possible to save before taking the egg in order to make sure you get a Pokemon with the right nature, gender, and ability, which is going to make getting that perfect Pokemon a bigger pain then it ever was before.

Huh. So then the Nature, gender, and ability of the Pokemon in the egg are determined the moment the egg is created in the game, rather than the moment you pick it up from the Day Care man in Black and White? That's such a shame. Game Freak's people really have been meddling with things they shouldn't have been meddling with. Getting certain stuff passed down from parent to offspring looks to be a bit tricky now.

Full Metal Artificer
4th October 2010, 7:06 AM
Supposedly, it's no longer possible to save before taking the egg in order to make sure you get a Pokemon with the right nature, gender, and ability, which is going to make getting that perfect Pokemon a bigger pain then it ever was before.

... I have been doing it the wrong way in HG/SS all this time! xD I never realized that you could restart from picking up the egg to get a different one, so I've always been doing it the "hard way". :P I had a box and a half of Aerodactyls at one point. :(

Rakurai
4th October 2010, 7:13 AM
Perhaps I should've worded it differently.

Before, when an egg was created, the nature, gender, and ability were fixed, but not the IVs, so you could save before taking the egg, check if it had the right traits other then IVs after it hatched, and if it did, then just keep soft resetting so the only random factor you had to deal with was the IVs.

Now, if that indeed isn't possible, it means you have to hope that all of those things end up the right way each time you take the egg, and with the addition of passing down Dream World abilities getting added into the mix, getting that perfect Pokemon is going to be more time consuming then ever.

LV100
4th October 2010, 7:33 AM
So breeding actually got worse then? T_T

"____ you legit breeders, go buy an AR."

Some_Chick
4th October 2010, 11:57 AM
On the bright side, when doing the "pacing path" the old man will yell at you when an egg is produced and you run by him (making your character face him). Very nice! It was always a pain looking for what direction the old man was facing in D/P/Pt or getting spammed with phone calls in HG/SS.

i have 2 different language pokemon in the daycare currently. i'm going to find some Everstones next and see if Everstone natures works with different language pokemon now.

LV100
5th October 2010, 9:51 PM
Does anyone know of a good method for checking IVs? There doesn't seem to be a way to set your Pokemon to Lv100 anymore.

Katharina27
6th October 2010, 6:16 AM
The best thing you can do is check your Pokemons, nature, characteristic and hidden power. Check with the IV dude for a good measure of your pokemons potential and any perfect stats. Save, then write down your pokemons stats from lv. 1 to lv. 10 and use Metal Kids calculator.

It's evil and fairly inaccurate, but it's your best alternative.

Rakurai
6th October 2010, 8:38 AM
Oh, how I dread breeding for good Pokemon, now that I've personally tested it, and determined that everything I mentioned before is true.

Though on the bright side, it only takes about 30 seconds of running for me to hatch a starter with a combination of Flame Body and the High Link power-up.

LV100
6th October 2010, 8:19 PM
The best thing you can do is check your Pokemons, nature, characteristic and hidden power. Check with the IV dude for a good measure of your pokemons potential and any perfect stats. Save, then write down your pokemons stats from lv. 1 to lv. 10 and use Metal Kids calculator.

It's evil and fairly inaccurate, but it's your best alternative.

Wow.

Where's the IV dude, and is he going to be pretty easy to understand considering I don't speak a word of Japanese? Or is there a translation?

I guess the only way to get a perfect reading is to abuse Pick Up until you get 99 rare candies. ._. 39 down...

arceus7
7th October 2010, 2:59 PM
question, if I do mass breeding between certain pokes taking move tutors and egg moves that are only obtionable on certain pokemon cross gen (third and fourth) could those moves be passed on to a dream world baby in the 5th gen? I also want to know if this works with 4th gen tms.
(damn, seems like there is gonna be alot of trading and mechanics being used throught all 3rd 4th and 5th gen games plus the orre games)
wat happened to the competitve section? why is the 5rmt just there?

O Fortuna
7th October 2010, 10:02 PM
question, if I do mass breeding between certain pokes taking move tutors and egg moves that are only obtionable on certain pokemon cross gen (third and fourth) could those moves be passed on to a dream world baby in the 5th gen?

It would only work if the previous gen TM move was an egg move for the Pokemon in Gen V.

So, for example, Torterra learns Stealth Rock in Gen IV via TM, but is not possible for it to learn it via TM or breeding or level up in Gen V. So, it is not possible to have a Shell Armor Torterra with Stealth Rock.

Royalty
12th October 2010, 6:13 AM
So...question for the room.

I love and want Tsutarja like crazy. No other way to word it. It's my favorite starter. The only problem...the attacks that it has available to learn. Is there anyone in here that thinks it would be wise to SR for a female and bread it with something that has a useful egg move it could pass on?

It's a lot of time and effort...I just don't know if it would lead to an effort payoff or a time bankruptcy.

FireEmblemAddict
12th October 2010, 4:35 PM
So...question for the room.

I love and want Tsutarja like crazy. No other way to word it. It's my favorite starter. The only problem...the attacks that it has available to learn. Is there anyone in here that thinks it would be wise to SR for a female and bread it with something that has a useful egg move it could pass on?

It's a lot of time and effort...I just don't know if it would lead to an effort payoff or a time bankruptcy.

I would recommend playing through the game force and then breeding for your ideal Pokemon. However if that seems like a waste to you, breed for your ideal Pokemon as soon as you get to Route 3.

Really it's up to you and your play style.

Royalty
12th October 2010, 10:46 PM
I would recommend playing through the game force and then breeding for your ideal Pokemon. However if that seems like a waste to you, breed for your ideal Pokemon as soon as you get to Route 3.

Really it's up to you and your play style.

Hmmm...leaving things up to me to decide? That's not what I wanted! ;)
But thanks though. :)

O Fortuna
12th October 2010, 10:51 PM
Well, you could breed for your Tsutarja, but I have to wonder what the point is. The only egg move which is really viable on it would be Glare, but of course, it depends exactly what you plan to do. Personally, I performed soft resets until I obtained a female Tsutarja and have put it aside for breeding.

Is there any possible way to get both Dark Pulse and Earth Power on a baby Monozu? I think I have exhausted all possible breeding partners and it doesn't look like it, but I'll ask anyway in case there is something I have missed.

Rakurai
12th October 2010, 10:59 PM
Is there any possible way to get both Dark Pulse and Earth Power on a baby Monozu? I think I have exhausted all possible breeding partners and it doesn't look like it, but I'll ask anyway in case there is something I have missed.

Sadly, it's completely impossible to get both moves on a Monozu, as there isn't a single dragon that learns both of them.

All we can do is hope that they bring back the Earth Power move tutor in the third version.

Red1062
15th October 2010, 1:06 AM
Is there any way to breed Dark Pulse and Extrasensory onto a Zorua? I've been trying to think of a way but it's been driving me crazy. If there isn't a way then it's completely fine.

Mario with Lasers
15th October 2010, 2:00 AM
Well, you could breed for your Tsutarja, but I have to wonder what the point is. The only egg move which is really viable on it would be Glare, but of course, it depends exactly what you plan to do. Personally, I performed soft resets until I obtained a female Tsutarja and have put it aside for breeding.

Is there any possible way to get both Dark Pulse and Earth Power on a baby Monozu? I think I have exhausted all possible breeding partners and it doesn't look like it, but I'll ask anyway in case there is something I have missed.

Girat--ohwait


Yeah, there is nothing that can learn both moves for Sazandora.

Rakurai
15th October 2010, 2:05 AM
Is there any way to breed Dark Pulse and Extrasensory onto a Zorua? I've been trying to think of a way but it's been driving me crazy. If there isn't a way then it's completely fine.

Get a male Smeargle and have it sketch those two moves.

O Fortuna
15th October 2010, 3:20 AM
Also, both Nuzleaf and Vulpix learn Extrasensory by level-up and can be taught the Dark Pulse TM in Gen IV.

Chimecho3000
20th October 2010, 11:19 AM
lol I find it funny how some Pokes gained Cut as an egg move.

How does a Shellos cut??...=\

GameMaster0000
20th October 2010, 1:08 PM
Before, when an egg was created, the nature, gender, and ability were fixed, but not the IVs, so you could save before taking the egg, check if it had the right traits other then IVs after it hatched, and if it did, then just keep soft resetting so the only random factor you had to deal with was the IVs.

Does IV passed down lock by this method?

arceus7
20th October 2010, 3:06 PM
if I breeded a female dampert with a male 4thgen stealthrock swampert does the baby have dampert+stealthrock?

Evil Kitten
20th October 2010, 3:58 PM
Nope as Stealth Rock isn't an egg move.

arceus7
20th October 2010, 4:30 PM
so tms from 4th gen don't get passed down unless there eggmoves?

Ophie
21st October 2010, 1:43 AM
Yeah, TMs that get passed down are TMs of that generation. The list of Stealth Rock Pokémon this time around is a pretty odd bunch.

guitalex
26th October 2010, 6:46 PM
Breeding has a few interesting things to worry about now.

Some Pokemon can be breeding parents for egg moves that they themselves are never able to learn!

Prime example is a male Sunkern with Earth Power that I found in the Dream World. It can be a parent to Turtwig to teach it Earth Power, but neither Sunkern nor Sunflora can actually learn or be taught or breed into Earth Power themselves in any generation!

Another example is Super Fang Nidoran male. Have fun finding those situations, Serebii :)

Copley Hill Gym
27th October 2010, 10:01 AM
Just a question in case I've missed it - using the power items does pass on IVs again, doesn't it? I've realized after a day of breeding to get a high attack/speed IV'd Aaken, that I didn't check this first...!

Incidentally, if anyone would like a free Aaken, PM me, I've bred tonnes of the things (39 and counting).

EDIT:

I must be seriously blind to not notice this! >_<

Just realized on the Pokemon's stat screen, one stat is shaded red, the other blue, to show the +/- for the natures. I've been translating from kanji for a day now to find out the natures...

...D'oh...

Rakurai
27th October 2010, 10:26 AM
Just a question in case I've missed it - using the power items does pass on IVs again, doesn't it? I've realized after a day of breeding to get a high attack/speed IV'd Aaken, that I didn't check this first...!


I can confirm it does after breeding about 30 or so Meraruba, and having a little over half of them with a perfect speed IV, with one parent having that IV and a Power Anklet on.

Copley Hill Gym
27th October 2010, 10:35 AM
I can confirm it does after breeding about 30 or so Meraruba, and having a little over half of them with a perfect speed IV, with one parent having that IV and a Power Anklet on.

That's a relief. I've bred about 45 Aaken now, it's about the same number have two perfect IVs (isn't it great that aerodactyl can breed with them? I've managed to pass on attack and speed IVs this way!)

Ryonai
3rd November 2010, 6:18 PM
Sorry about this stupid question but I was looking for a way to teach Dark Pulse to Monozu. It's listed on its' egg moves list as taught by another Monozu/Jiheddo/Sazandora(?) but I don't see Dark Pulse on its movelist.
Do I have only to breed 2 monozu?

Thank you!

Rakurai
3rd November 2010, 9:23 PM
Sorry about this stupid question but I was looking for a way to teach Dark Pulse to Monozu. It's listed on its' egg moves list as taught by another Monozu/Jiheddo/Sazandora(?) but I don't see Dark Pulse on its movelist.
Do I have only to breed 2 monozu?

Thank you!

You need to Pokeshift a male Ekans, Seviper, or Gyarados from DPP that was taught Dark Pulse via TM.

The egg move list seems to only account for Pokemon that can learn the moves in the fifth gen.

Ryonai
3rd November 2010, 10:26 PM
You need to Pokeshift a male Ekans, Seviper, or Gyarados from DPP that was taught Dark Pulse via TM.

The egg move list seems to only account for Pokemon that can learn the moves in the fifth gen.

Thanks Rakurai, that works perfectly! ;munchlax;

GameMaster0000
4th November 2010, 3:57 AM
I can confirm it does after breeding about 30 or so Meraruba, and having a little over half of them with a perfect speed IV, with one parent having that IV and a Power Anklet on.

Hmm...As far as I test, power item 100% passed down IV, unlike everstone that has 50% chance.

Ophie
4th November 2010, 11:02 AM
Was it 100&#37; in the past as well?

GameMaster0000
5th November 2010, 8:43 AM
I bread most of pokemon in HGSS many time(It is my first pokemon game)

I can comfirm that it will 100&#37; passed down if "1" of parent hole power item.

But if both parent held power item it will be 50% for each parent.
__________________________________________________ ___________

I first bread gligar that has DW ability, finally I get good IV with DW ability.

But I notice that when I bread famale Gligar with Ditto no child that has DW ability while parent is same gligar I get about 50% of child that has DW ability.

So, I just bad luck or it not work with ditto?

Rakurai
5th November 2010, 9:57 AM
It doesn't work with Ditto.

GameMaster0000
5th November 2010, 12:29 PM
Hmm...well.

There is another one that I want test, that is different specie but same egg group or evolved and unevolved can product child that has DW ability or not.

Bardische
6th November 2010, 8:32 PM
So, I'm a bit confused about the egg groups. Basically, if one pokemon is in the same group as another, then they can pass down moves to each other?

Are sites like Serebii listing only egg moves that are obtainable from that specific pokemon?

Take this for example. An Ishizumai can only learn Spikes through breeding from a Forretress because they are in the same egg group.

One, can Ishizumai also obtain Spikes from a Chobomaki bred from Forretress, since they are all in the same egg group?

Second, can Ishizumai also obtain Toxic Spikes through breeding with Forretress that has both the aforementioned move and Spikes? Because it's nowhere listed in the egg moves on Ishizumai, but they are in the same egg group, right? So, is it possible? :/

I'm really confused, haha. Someone answer my probably stupid question?

Rakurai
6th November 2010, 10:00 PM
So, I'm a bit confused about the egg groups. Basically, if one pokemon is in the same group as another, then they can pass down moves to each other?

Are sites like Serebii listing only egg moves that are obtainable from that specific pokemon?

Take this for example. An Ishizumai can only learn Spikes through breeding from a Forretress because they are in the same egg group.

One, can Ishizumai also obtain Spikes from a Chobomaki bred from Forretress, since they are all in the same egg group?

Yes.

Second, can Ishizumai also obtain Toxic Spikes through breeding with Forretress that has both the aforementioned move and Spikes? Because it's nowhere listed in the egg moves on Ishizumai, but they are in the same egg group, right? So, is it possible? :/

No.

I'm really confused, haha. Someone answer my probably stupid question?

Answers in bold.

Ophie
8th November 2010, 1:18 AM
Egg Groups means that the Pokémon are able to breed at all. That is, they don't determine moves; they determine compatibility. For instance, you can breed Goldeen with Gyarados because both are part of the Water 2 group. You cannot breed Goldeen with Togetic, on the other hand, because Togetic is part of the Fairy group.

To get Egg Moves, the father must have ALL of the Egg Moves you want, while the mother has to be of the evolution line. For instance, Hammer Arm is an Egg Move on Geodude. If you want a Geodude with Hammer Arm, you must breed a male Pokémon in the Mineral Group who knows Hammer Arm (such as Sudowoodo) with a female Geodude, Graveler, or Golem.


But if both parent held power item it will be 50% for each parent.

Oh, that explains why I had such a hard time getting a Meowth with an IV of 31 in both Attack and Speed. (For those not in the know, I train some unusual Pokémon because I'm a nonconformist.)

GameMaster0000
17th November 2010, 2:11 PM
I just test bread for another DW ability pokemon.

I get another condition to passed down DW ability.

Parents must be same species, it's mean that evolved and unevolved is not work too.

Rakurai
17th November 2010, 9:20 PM
You do know that there's a random chance of having the ability passed down, right?

Because every single report I've heard previously has never mentioned anything of the two Pokemon needing to be the same species.

Atoyont
17th November 2010, 9:54 PM
Only the female can pass down Dream World Abilities, and it's only a 50&#37; chance.

wafiazizul
17th November 2010, 10:49 PM
can we increase the 50&#37; chances to 75% or something by holding specific items?

Ophie
18th November 2010, 8:04 AM
I've never heard of anything that makes any one ability more frequent than another.

Kikaider
20th November 2010, 12:47 AM
I produced an egg between Emonga and Munna... What could it be????

O Fortuna
20th November 2010, 3:50 AM
I produced an egg between Emonga and Munna... What could it be????

It will be the same species as the mother.

Lorde
21st November 2010, 10:14 PM
I have an eggmove/breeding question: How do I get Dark Pulse onto Sazandora in Black/White? I've looked just about everywhere, but all I've found is that you need to chain breed Dark Pulse onto them. It never says what Pokemon I have to use to chain breed the move onto them, however :x

Rakurai
21st November 2010, 10:53 PM
I have an eggmove/breeding question: How do I get Dark Pulse onto Sazandora in Black/White? I've looked just about everywhere, but all I've found is that you need to chain breed Dark Pulse onto them. It never says what Pokemon I have to use to chain breed the move onto them, however :x

You need teach an Ekans, Seviper, or Gyarados in the fourth gen Dark Pulse, then transfer it over.

R_N
21st November 2010, 10:57 PM
I have an eggmove/breeding question: How do I get Dark Pulse onto Sazandora in Black/White? I've looked just about everywhere, but all I've found is that you need to chain breed Dark Pulse onto them. It never says what Pokemon I have to use to chain breed the move onto them, however :x

I think you need to send over a Pokemon from 4th gen games within his egg group that knows Dark Pulse and then breed it on to him?

Crosschecking, I believe Ekans, Arbok, & Gyarados are the only ones that would work.

GameMaster0000
22nd November 2010, 3:12 AM
Okay, my wrong again.

I just bread egg move for starvia with Tokekiss, and I get child with DW ability.

So it is only not work with Ditto.

cartert4219
22nd November 2010, 7:52 AM
You have the highest chance (very high) of hatching a pokemon with the dream world ability if both parents are the same species and both have the dream world ability. Granted, that eliminates egg moves from the picture but not all pokes need them.

Thanks for that info about Togekiss and Staravia, GameMaster0000. I had been told that there was 0&#37; chance of getting a dream world ability when you mixed species. That will be helpful to know.

Ophie
22nd November 2010, 11:44 AM
I think you need to send over a Pokemon from 4th gen games within his egg group that knows Dark Pulse and then breed it on to him?

Crosschecking, I believe Ekans, Arbok, & Gyarados are the only ones that would work.

That doesn't sound right, to have an Egg Move that can only begin in the previous generation.

I would say that gives an advantage to those with the 4th-generation games, but then I realized the advantage is already there without Egg Moves.

wafiazizul
24th November 2010, 12:53 PM
Okay, my wrong again.

I just bread egg move for starvia with Tokekiss, and I get child with DW ability.

So it is only not work with Ditto.

owh~ thats why my musharna telepathy cannot been pass to my munna when i try to breed with ditto~ thanks~

cartert4219
24th November 2010, 3:07 PM
I'm working on breeding a Trick Room Slowpoke 31/x/31/31/31/0 (or as close as I can get since RNG is still not thoroughly understood) w/ its DW ability. It is taking me forever since I can't use ditto to help much in the process. I'm using power items to keep the good stats I have so far and breed better parents but does anyone have suggestions that might make this a less painful process?

EDIT: Just hatched one; Sassy, Regenerate, 31/x/31/31/31/12. I'd really prefer relaxed and 0 speed but Sassy and only 12 is still good and I am not sure I can get much better. Still, any tips would be greatly appreciated.

R_N
24th November 2010, 7:51 PM
That doesn't sound right, to have an Egg Move that can only begin in the previous generation.

I would say that gives an advantage to those with the 4th-generation games, but then I realized the advantage is already there without Egg Moves.

Eh, it's not too surprising. Chances are they'll add in Dark Pulse properly in a later game.

They also did the same with Self-Destruct Munchlax and Extreme Speed Dratini


Oddly, they got rid of Head Smash Nosepass. Wonder why they even added that in to HGSS if it was impossible to get.

Ophie
25th November 2010, 6:34 AM
I wasn't even aware that it was impossible to get, since there isn't much point in putting physical attacks on Nosepass or Probopass anyway.

I do remember running into a wall with something in the Silver version, though I don't remember what. I believe it was Heal Bell on Chansey.

wafiazizul
3rd December 2010, 10:53 AM
quick question~ can i hatched the egg faster if i put 5 magma armor ability in my team with one egg? or it just the same with only one magma armor in the team?

cartert4219
3rd December 2010, 2:50 PM
Five is no better than one unless they changed it this generation.

PKMNseb
10th December 2010, 3:08 AM
So there is no way to check the nature of your egg in Pokemon Black & White anymore.

Unless someone has found a new way to do it...

hahli87942
11th December 2010, 9:03 PM
i think that it would be cool if the eggs had different designs so that its not so confusing to find out witch is witch

O Fortuna
12th December 2010, 6:41 AM
That's just unnecessary extra coding.

I daresay they assume people are able to keep track of the two Pokemon they put into daycare.

BLADEDGE
31st December 2010, 10:32 PM
ok, Just to be sure, is it possible (Other than Transfering a Pikachu with one), is it possible for a Pichu to inherit shock wave?

BLADEDGE
31st December 2010, 11:03 PM
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Ophie
3rd January 2011, 8:16 AM
No, it looks like Shock Wave is listed under the "Generation IV Only" section for Pichu's entry.

MSK
6th January 2011, 9:36 PM
Hi there can anyone help??

Trying to breed my Gantoru with my Goruugu so that I can get Heavy Bomber as an Egg move onto a Gigalith. However when the 2 are in daycare the man says the 2 don't get along but surely they should be able to breed as it says they are the same egg group etc.
Am I doing something wrong???

Thanks

rocky505
6th January 2011, 9:54 PM
Are they opposite genders?

EDIT: The reason is because Goruggo is a genderless pokemon so it can't breed with anything but Ditto.

MSK
6th January 2011, 10:06 PM
Ok that's a pain, how do I get the move onto my Gigalith then, bcos all the sites including Serebii say that Heavy Bomber can be obtained as an egg move by breeding with goruugo. But if it can't breed with them then how is that possible???

rocky505
7th January 2011, 9:51 PM
Breed it with a golem then.

MSK
8th January 2011, 8:00 PM
Does Graveller evolve when you put it through the Pokeshifter?
Otherwise I can't get a Golem :(

Jordan099
8th January 2011, 8:36 PM
You may want to look into making an accident compensation claim (http://your-compensation.com/) you can do this from a number of places, you just have to put it into google!

tencoth
9th January 2011, 6:25 AM
I have a question, I am not sure if it has been asked or not. I want a combusken with the ability speed boost, and from what I read, I already have to have one with that ability AND it has to be female, is there any other way(besides an AR) to get the speed boost ability? same thing with snivy and it's dream world ability.

Ophie
13th January 2011, 10:47 AM
Nope, if you want to breed down Dream World abilities, the female Pokémon needs to have that ability. That's why female Dream World Pokémon, of every sort, are in such high demand, and why Game Freak designed some of these event Pokémon to never be female.

Cellfone
16th January 2011, 1:13 AM
Is the only way to teach Zuruggu Ice Punch through Sketch?

Are there any wild pokemon who use ice punch?

Weegee
16th January 2011, 1:28 AM
Nope, if you want to breed down Dream World abilities, the female Pokémon needs to have that ability. That's why female Dream World Pokémon, of every sort, are in such high demand, and why Game Freak designed some of these event Pokémon to never be female.

Do you happen to know which event pokemon are incapable of being female?

Ju-da-su
17th January 2011, 12:29 PM
Do you happen to know which event pokemon are incapable of being female?

None of them are female...All DW event pokes are male...:p

Ophie
19th January 2011, 6:22 AM
A more general answer would be "As Game Freak feels fit." There may be female Dream World event Pokémon in the future, but so far, there haven't been any.

Nightlingbolt
1st February 2011, 10:22 PM
Is the only way to teach Zuruggu Ice Punch through Sketch?

Are there any wild pokemon who use ice punch?

If you have the Shards or BP (depending on your version), you can teach the father Ice Punch in a 4th Gen game. What moveset were you hoping to give Zuruggu?

If you're looking to cover your Flying weakness, I honestly think Thunderpunch is a better option just because it's easier.

Nightlingbolt
1st February 2011, 10:57 PM
I just did a bit of poking around into Egg Moves, and I notice Sawsbuck doesn't get Seed Bomb, despite Simisage being in the same Egg Group as it! I mean. come on, Game Freak!

Ophie
2nd February 2011, 12:03 AM
That's probably because it has that signature move of it--what was its name again?

slowpoke child
2nd February 2011, 1:55 AM
is it possible to get an earthpower/darkpulse monozu?

Dr. Leggs
2nd February 2011, 2:03 AM
I just did a bit of poking around into Egg Moves, and I notice Sawsbuck doesn't get Seed Bomb, despite Simisage being in the same Egg Group as it! I mean. come on, Game Freak!
Seeing as Sawsbuck has Wood Horn, which is only 5 BP less and recovers half the damage recovered, Seed Bomb would be redundant anyway.

Ju-da-su
2nd February 2011, 11:17 AM
is it possible to get an earthpower/darkpulse monozu?

If you're looking for either Earth Power or Dark Pulse Monozu, meaning they have one of the two moves, then yes. If you're talking about Monozu with BOTH Earth Power and Dark Pulse, then no, there's no way of getting it legally as far as I know. :S

slowpoke child
2nd February 2011, 2:50 PM
If you're looking for either Earth Power or Dark Pulse Monozu, meaning they have one of the two moves, then yes. If you're talking about Monozu with BOTH Earth Power and Dark Pulse, then no, there's no way of getting it legally as far as I know. :S

aight thank u =] i was thinkin about havin both on one monozu . is aight tho. i can use level ground

Kaphotics
6th February 2011, 10:47 AM
DW Ability Passing is 40% chance of working if the Female has the ability legitimately, with a male (not ditto).

Everstone has a 50% chance of working still. It does not change the PID or the PID pattern (rng).

IVs: 3 IVs, random. There's no restriction like the old HP / Defense lockouts. Every IV has an equal chance of inheriting for each of the 3.

Kur0nue
8th February 2011, 12:01 AM
Is the only way to teach Zuruggu Ice Punch through Sketch?


No. You can take male Medicham to the move relearner and have it learn Ice Punch, then breed it with female Buneary. Breed a resulting male Buneary-with-egg-move-Ice-Punch-offspring to a female Zuruggu. Voila.

wearjo
9th February 2011, 1:15 PM
When i get B/W i wanna get a Hydreigon with Dark Pulse, Ice Fang, Fire fang and Thunder Fang... how do i do this????

Do i get an arbok with ice fang, Fire fang and thunder fang to breed with Hydreigon and then get the Deino and evolve it and breed it with what????

Ju-da-su
9th February 2011, 1:53 PM
When i get B/W i wanna get a Hydreigon with Dark Pulse, Ice Fang, Fire fang and Thunder Fang... how do i do this????

Do i get an arbok with ice fang, Fire fang and thunder fang to breed with Hydreigon and then get the Deino and evolve it and breed it with what????

Male Arbok with Dark Pulse (just put the TM on Arbok in Gen 4 before you shift that guy over...you can't find wild Ekans/Arbok in BW, so you'll need to shift one over to breed, anyway...-.-") and all the fang moves bred with Female Deino, Zweilos or Hydreigon...That should give you the Deino with Dark Pulse + All fang moves... ._."

wearjo
9th February 2011, 10:31 PM
Male Arbok with Dark Pulse (just put the TM on Arbok in Gen 4 before you shift that guy over...you can't find wild Ekans/Arbok in BW, so you'll need to shift one over to breed, anyway...-.-") and all the fang moves bred with Female Deino, Zweilos or Hydreigon...That should give you the Deino with Dark Pulse + All fang moves... ._."

thankyou :)

Grei
10th February 2011, 12:23 AM
Is the only way to teach Zuruggu Ice Punch through Sketch?

Are there any wild pokemon who use ice punch?

?

Since when can Scraggy learn Sketch?

Or... do you mean it's only breedable onto Scraggy via a Smeargle who knows Ice Punch?

...

Either way, Scraggy can get Ice Punch through Sneasel, Delibird, Buneary, and Cubchoo, says Bulbapedia.

jaxkk//
21st February 2011, 4:13 PM
Out of interest, can anyone tell me the best places to spam for EV's in black and white? Like Speed in Digletts Cave in HGSS for example? And is it still possible to get the Pokerus, and does it transfer over from HGSS/DPPt in the Shifter? (please say yes..getting PkRus was a nightmare for me) Thanks (:

Ju-da-su
21st February 2011, 5:16 PM
Out of interest, can anyone tell me the best places to spam for EV's in black and white? Like Speed in Digletts Cave in HGSS for example? And is it still possible to get the Pokerus, and does it transfer over from HGSS/DPPt in the Shifter? (please say yes..getting PkRus was a nightmare for me) Thanks (:

...Serebii has all the EV training ground in BW though. Just check the EV section on the site. .-.

And yep, if you shift pokemon with PKRS from HGSS, the PKRS stays. So, you can actually transfer it over...from what I heard, at least (since I've never shifted one over myself. I got PKRS freshly in BW myself... .-. )

undrhil
22nd February 2011, 4:17 AM
Question: does a breeding pair still pass on moves that both Pokemon know even if it's not a TM move or an egg move?

So, if I have a male and female Golem, both with Metronome (from 3rd gen move tutor) will the hatched Geodudes have Metronome?

Ju-da-su
22nd February 2011, 8:17 AM
Question: does a breeding pair still pass on moves that both Pokemon know even if it's not a TM move or an egg move?

So, if I have a male and female Golem, both with Metronome (from 3rd gen move tutor) will the hatched Geodudes have Metronome?

...I don't think that's possible to begin with. Never even heard of such thing before. Where did you get that from? >_>"

Kur0nue
22nd February 2011, 9:11 AM
Question: does a breeding pair still pass on moves that both Pokemon know even if it's not a TM move or an egg move?

So, if I have a male and female Golem, both with Metronome (from 3rd gen move tutor) will the hatched Geodudes have Metronome?

If Geodude (not Golem) can learn Metronome then yes, it should be able to.

undrhil
22nd February 2011, 6:32 PM
Well, I know that in previous generations, Geodude had Metronome as a move tutor move. I also know that in previous generations, if a breeding pair of Pokemon both knew the same move that the lowest form of the female Pokemon could learn, then it would hatch with that move.

For instance, two Charizards (male and female, obviously) both know Flamethrower, the baby Charmander would know Flamethrower since it could learn Flamethrower from levelling up.

My question is: since Geodude no longer has Metronome as a Move Tutor move, can I "import" two Golems (or Gravellers or Geodudes) who both were taught Metronome in a 3rd gen game and breed new Geodudes with Metronome?

Wadeledge
22nd February 2011, 6:41 PM
My question is: since Geodude no longer has Metronome as a Move Tutor move, can I "import" two Golems (or Gravellers or Geodudes) who both were taught Metronome in a 3rd gen game and breed new Geodudes with Metronome?

No.

The Charmander example is different because Charmander can STILL learn Flamethrower this Generation.

undrhil
22nd February 2011, 9:20 PM
Alright. So, I need to breed a Metronome Geodude before I take it out of the 3rd gen games, then.

Thanks. :)

maksevrod
26th February 2011, 4:42 PM
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wearjo
3rd March 2011, 10:10 AM
hmmm i just did a little research and im just wondering... since sawsbuck can learn energy ball and is in the ground egg group does that mean zorua can learn energy ball through breeding???

Rakurai
3rd March 2011, 10:36 AM
hmmm i just did a little research and im just wondering... since sawsbuck can learn energy ball and is in the ground egg group does that mean zorua can learn energy ball through breeding???

No.

If a move isn't listed as a level-up move, TM/HM move, or egg move for the Pokemon you're trying to pass it onto, it can't learn it from breeding.

Energy Ball is none of those in Zorua's case, so it can't learn it.

Imatron
7th March 2011, 10:24 PM
I have a female servine/snivy but I cant seem to figure out what male to breed with it to get a snivy egg. The ones I thought were in the egg group are getting me the "they prefer to play with other pokemon" message, so I must be misunderstanding something. If I have white version, what should I catch?

Edit: Found a pictoral guide of possible fathers, and it seem to be working! Thanks everyone.

Jessie_James
7th March 2011, 10:31 PM
I heard on Smogon that Dream World abilities can be passed on by breeding. Is this true?

Yes if the Pokemon containing the Dream World Ability is female, then it will pass to the baby if male then no it will not

XxVenem94xX
8th March 2011, 2:17 AM
Can you breed the box legendaries from Black and white? (Reshiram and Zekrom?)

Lorde
8th March 2011, 2:20 AM
Can you breed the box legendaries from Black and white? (Reshiram and Zekrom?)

Of course not. They're Legendary Pokemon, after all.

XxVenem94xX
8th March 2011, 2:22 AM
Of course not. They're Legendary Pokemon, after all.

Sorry, completely new to pokemon. I only played when I was really young and just played through the game with the "cool pokemon" I found, just now getting back into it for the competitive battling scene and such :O. Thanks!

shadowdorothy
8th March 2011, 3:31 AM
What is the earliest you can find a pokemon to breed with pokabu? I got a female so I'm going to breed to make babies!

paddylad
8th March 2011, 4:28 AM
What is the earliest you can find a pokemon to breed with pokabu? I got a female so I'm going to breed to make babies!

Immediately. Patrat, Lillipup and all of the monkeys can have the secks with Tepig.

Iyashii
10th March 2011, 5:50 AM
Curious as to if there is any information regarding the "Masuda Method" this generation?
Any confirmation on this?

I am trying to make optimal odds for breeding a Shiny Scraggy, and preferably to get a +Attack nature.
Won't even try for maxed stats with all this combination.

wearjo
10th March 2011, 9:12 AM
Ok if u have an english game or something like that, this is wut u need to do:
have a japanese ditto [or any foreign ditto(real life foreign)] must have an attack raising stat and a everstone
have a scrafty (not sure if scraggy can breed)
ur ready to breed

Iyashii
10th March 2011, 12:12 PM
Ok if u have an english game or something like that, this is wut u need to do:
have a japanese ditto [or any foreign ditto(real life foreign)] must have an attack raising stat and a everstone
have a scrafty (not sure if scraggy can breed)
ur ready to breed

Uh, yea, that's the method.
I am curious if it still applies this generation.

But as for Scraggy, firstly he is really easy to find in B&W, secondly his Egg Group is Ground and Dragon.

Compared to a Japanese Ditto, sure I would prefer that, but a Japanese Scraggy is much easier so I really can't complain.

Not to mention I haven't beaten White yet so I can't transfer anything good to trade for a Japanese Ditto.

wearjo
10th March 2011, 12:22 PM
oh it works with a jap scraggy and it does apply to this gen... it has even better odds (forgot wut it is)

Icing Sugar
10th March 2011, 8:04 PM
Hi people, I have some questions about breeding:

- I want to breed a shiny ponyta with morning sun or hypnosis as egg moves, which poke should I breed rapidash with?

- How long would it take approx. to hatch an egg that requires 5120, 6400, 10240 steps? And how long if I have a poke with flame body in my team?

Davidd
10th March 2011, 9:18 PM
Hi people, I have some questions about breeding:

- I want to breed a shiny ponyta with morning sun or hypnosis as egg moves, which poke should I breed rapidash with?

- How long would it take approx. to hatch an egg that requires 5120, 6400, 10240 steps? And how long if I have a poke with flame body in my team?

morning sun: breed with espeon
hypnosis: stantler,spinda,glameow,purugly,patrat,watchog,mun na,musharna

rocky505
10th March 2011, 9:31 PM
morning sun: breed with espeon
hypnosis: stantler,spinda,glameow,purugly,patrat,watchog,mun na,musharna Or he could use a smeargle and get both on it.

Davidd
10th March 2011, 9:32 PM
Or he could use a smeargle and get both on it.

yeah i forget smeargle

Iyashii
11th March 2011, 4:38 AM
Flame Body or Magma Armor roughly reduce the amount of steps to hatch an egg by 33% if I am not mistaken.

Also the Masuda Method does seem to in fact be applicable this generation as well.
If you look here (http://www.serebii.net/games/shiny.shtml) it even says the affect is about 1 in 1,365 instead of the 1 in 8,192.

magikot
11th March 2011, 6:11 AM
A question about the Masuda Method - do the pokemon need to be the same or just compatible? What I mean is I have a male Liepard that knows Night Slash in my American cart and a Japanese female Oshawott that I want to breed it with for a Night Slash Oshawott. Will this combination result in an egg with an increased shiny chance or do I need to breed two Oshawott/Dewott/Samurott together for the increased chance?

Kreis
11th March 2011, 6:13 AM
A question about the Masuda Method - do the pokemon need to be the same or just compatible? What I mean is I have a male Liepard that knows Night Slash in my American cart and a Japanese female Oshawott that I want to breed it with for a Night Slash Oshawott. Will this combination result in an egg with an increased shiny chance or do I need to breed two Oshawott/Dewott/Samurott together for the increased chance?

Just as long as one is foreign and one is not, it'll be fine.

kaiser soze
11th March 2011, 6:19 AM
A question about the Masuda Method - do the pokemon need to be the same or just compatible? What I mean is I have a male Liepard that knows Night Slash in my American cart and a Japanese female Oshawott that I want to breed it with for a Night Slash Oshawott. Will this combination result in an egg with an increased shiny chance or do I need to breed two Oshawott/Dewott/Samurott together for the increased chance?

Just same egg groups (or ditto. seriously, dittos can solve most basic breeding problems). also to the above, magma armor cuts it in half I believe. In SS I would go take the train to kanto and do 2-3 laps around the southern part of kanto on the bike, that was often enough

Iyashii
11th March 2011, 6:38 AM
Magma Armor and Flame Body is closer to 1/3 than 1/2 but that's just semantics at this point lol.

I should mention that there is some information regarding Everstone and Masuda Method.
Apparently, using an Everstone will not work with Pokemon from different nationalities, which is required for the Masuda Method, but I cannot say with 100% accuracy.

smashfanDS
11th March 2011, 7:42 AM
Okay, I have a few questions regarding breeding, would really appreciate if someone manages to answer them all :)

Let's say I equip each parent with a Power Anklet and a Power Bracer, using those, can the hatched Pokemon get the IV from both parents? Or will the game randomly pick which stat will keep one of the parents' IV?

Since this generation, 3 random IVs from the parents are passed to the hatchlings, does the IV passed down by an equipped Power item make it count as 3 random + 1 specific IV?

HeadOverHeels
11th March 2011, 10:27 AM
Magma Armor and Flame Body is closer to 1/3 than 1/2 but that's just semantics at this point lol.

I should mention that there is some information regarding Everstone and Masuda Method.
Apparently, using an Everstone will not work with Pokemon from different nationalities, which is required for the Masuda Method, but I cannot say with 100% accuracy.
I think it does work in the 5th generation games. I'm not completely sure either as I haven't MMed in Black yet, I've just read it somewhere.

Rakurai
11th March 2011, 10:37 AM
Okay, I have a few questions regarding breeding, would really appreciate if someone manages to answer them all :)

Let's say I equip each parent with a Power Anklet and a Power Bracer, using those, can the hatched Pokemon get the IV from both parents? Or will the game randomly pick which stat will keep one of the parents' IV?

It picks one of the IVs from the parents randomly.

Iyashii
11th March 2011, 12:45 PM
Okay, I have a few questions regarding breeding, would really appreciate if someone manages to answer them all :)

Let's say I equip each parent with a Power Anklet and a Power Bracer, using those, can the hatched Pokemon get the IV from both parents? Or will the game randomly pick which stat will keep one of the parents' IV?

Since this generation, 3 random IVs from the parents are passed to the hatchlings, does the IV passed down by an equipped Power item make it count as 3 random + 1 specific IV?

With both parents holding a Power Item like those, the offspring will either get one of the parents IVs that the Power Item increases, then 2 random IVs to make up the total 3.

smashfanDS
11th March 2011, 2:39 PM
Aaah alright thanks for clearing that up :)

Iyashii
12th March 2011, 2:50 AM
Aaah alright thanks for clearing that up :)

Yep, sucks we can't get both, but at least we can guarantee the offspring will get either one of the two IV stats.

Chris_0906
12th March 2011, 2:52 PM
How to breed a Deino with Dark Pulse ?
I can't find any Pkm in dragon group can learn that move

( please forgive if I use sth wrong

AlexKZ
12th March 2011, 2:58 PM
How to breed a Deino with Dark Pulse ?
I can't find any Pkm in dragon group can learn that move

( please forgive if I use sth wrong

The only way I can see is to transfer an Ekans or Arbok from the 4th gen who has learned it. Hope this helps!

AlexKZ
12th March 2011, 3:20 PM
I remember reading somewhere that the egg mechanics are different this generation. I heard IV are now determined at hatching instead of the time you pick up the egg. This this true?

Iyashii
12th March 2011, 3:54 PM
For B&W, generation V, the Nature of an Egg is determined when you pick up the egg, so once you pick up the Egg it's Nature is set in stone.

The IVs are determined at the time of hatching, if I am not mistaken.

Though somebody else should verify this as I am not 100% on it.

Sizerdrix
12th March 2011, 5:05 PM
I'm breeding Zorua right now, so I'll go and check the Nature setting method of breeding in a moment and edit this, but just found out something handy that I haven't seen anyone mention yet:

The IV judge found in the subway now actually tells you when two of your stats are tied for top. He'll say "Incidentally, I would say the best potential lies in X. It's Y is stat is equally as good". This'll save a lot of time trying to figure out whether you got more than one perfect IV or not with this method instead of having to talk to him over and over.

EDIT: Ok, bad news here, just done the whole save before picking up egg trick and it's not worked. First Zorua came out Timid and the second Adamant. Furthermore, saving just before it hatches doesn't change anything (as it didn't before) so my conclusion is that IVs/Gender/Abilities/Natures are all picked when the old man finds an egg and calls you over.

Iyashii
12th March 2011, 7:37 PM
The IV judge found in the subway now actually tells you when two of your stats are tied for top. He'll say "Incidentally, I would say the best potential lies in X. It's Y is stat is equally as good". This'll save a lot of time trying to figure out whether you got more than one perfect IV or not with this method instead of having to talk to him over and over.

EDIT: Ok, bad news here, just done the whole save before picking up egg trick and it's not worked. First Zorua came out Timid and the second Adamant. Furthermore, saving just before it hatches doesn't change anything (as it didn't before) so my conclusion is that IVs/Gender/Abilities/Natures are all picked when the old man finds an egg and calls you over.

Well it's good to know the Judge will inform us on that account.

Unfortunate the Nature/IV/ect are all set up at the same time before you grab the egg.

Now it'll be harder to get a good Nature with the good IVs.

mgscheekymonkey
12th March 2011, 9:55 PM
was trying to breed a shiny zorua and found that the offspring where having foul play and faint attack egg moves, anybody want one?

smashfanDS
12th March 2011, 11:26 PM
One more question, so it is confirmed that equipping everstone on a parent doesnt work with the Masuda Method?

Iyashii
13th March 2011, 3:43 AM
One more question, so it is confirmed that equipping everstone on a parent doesnt work with the Masuda Method?

From what I have read and seen, using an Everstone with 2 parent Pokemon from different nationalities will not work.

So yea, Everstone and MM does not work.

Jessie Mulay
13th March 2011, 5:18 AM
Wowwww. Why are most of the 5th Gen Pokes not able to breed any good egg moves? Krookodile is the best one i've seen w/ Thunder Fang, Fire Fang, and Beat Up.

Dareliisko
13th March 2011, 10:26 AM
I've noticed that this day care especially, the pokemon in it learns the moves as it reaches the level it learns them, and simply learns them over the other moves. So if i want to breed an egg move pokemon, i need to level it above the level it stops learning moves otherwise it learnt moves I didnt want it to inside. Anyway around lvling pokemon up?

Aquarelle
13th March 2011, 11:09 AM
I've noticed that this day care especially, the pokemon in it learns the moves as it reaches the level it learns them, and simply learns them over the other moves. So if i want to breed an egg move pokemon, i need to level it above the level it stops learning moves otherwise it learnt moves I didnt want it to inside. Anyway around lvling pokemon up?

Pokemon have ALWAYS learned new moves while levelling up in the day care. It's not any different in these games.

When it comes to breeding, it actually doesn't matter if the parents learn new moves over the moves you want to pass down to the offspring. The moves the babies will know depend on the moves the parents knew at the time they were first placed in the day care.

And the only way to prevent Pokemon from levelling up in the day care is to stand still all the time. :p Because everytime you take a step, the Pokemon gains 1 exp. point.

foxyman1167
13th March 2011, 8:32 PM
Does the Everstone Trick still work when the male holds the Everstone like it did in HGSS?

Rakurai
13th March 2011, 8:41 PM
Does the Everstone Trick still work when the male holds the Everstone like it did in HGSS?

It most definitely does.

foxyman1167
13th March 2011, 9:17 PM
It most definitely does.

Really, because I have heard otherwise...

SoulSilverSwampert
13th March 2011, 9:48 PM
I'm not that great at working out breeding chains, is Outrage and Iron Head possible on a Gible WITHOUT the Move Tutor in PtHGSS?

noobers
14th March 2011, 1:46 AM
Anyone have a guide for the phrases of the IV checker in the Battle Subway?

Silky Deluxe
14th March 2011, 2:33 AM
Is there an action replay code to check IV's for white or black [US] i haven't found any yet

Rakurai
14th March 2011, 2:44 AM
Really, because I have heard otherwise...

I've bred and EV trained about seven different high IV Pokemon so far, all of them with the appropriate nature, so I can confirm it's working.

NoHatPat
14th March 2011, 7:58 PM
So my tiny brain can't figure out right now but is it even possible to chain breed both Air Slash and Night Slash onto an Oshawott? I can probably figure eventually but right now thinking is making my brain work too hard, emitting bad smells and increasing aging process... Well not that last one but yes I'm hopelessly confused right now. I appreciate any help, even if it's just to tell it's not possible.

Hejiru
14th March 2011, 9:58 PM
So my tiny brain can't figure out right now but is it even possible to chain breed both Air Slash and Night Slash onto an Oshawott? I can probably figure eventually but right now thinking is making my brain work too hard, emitting bad smells and increasing aging process... Well not that last one but yes I'm hopelessly confused right now. I appreciate any help, even if it's just to tell it's not possible.

Farfetch'd learns Night Slash and Air Slash, and can breed with Oshawott.

Iyashii
14th March 2011, 11:14 PM
Ok wouldn't mind a bit of help here, currently breeding for a good IV Scraggy.

Atm the female Scraggy I am using, traded, has:
3/31/8/27/31/31
And the male WAS:
2/29/23/21/18/22
Going to use male:
28/31/23/24/31/24

As long as I keep switching out with better IV stats I should get something decently soon, eh?

Also I am not using any items, since I don't have any yet.
Not to fond of spending BP for em.

bippacooleth
14th March 2011, 11:21 PM
It most definitely does.

Are you entirely sure?

And also to the person who said MM and Everstone doesn't work together, its been proven that this gen they have changed it so that MM and Everstone do work together.

noobers
14th March 2011, 11:56 PM
I just bred a Timid Deino with Dark Pulse and flawless Special Attack and Speed IVs. And I never even knew that the Power Items can pass down IVs to offspring.

rocky505
15th March 2011, 12:01 AM
Is it possible to have a Hydreigon with both Dark Pulse and Earth Power?

MHC-91
15th March 2011, 12:56 AM
how would I go about breeding Spikes/Leech Seed, on a Cacturne? If someone can mail me the answer that would be awesome :)

Rakurai
15th March 2011, 1:21 AM
Is it possible to have a Hydreigon with both Dark Pulse and Earth Power?

Nope. No Pokemon is capable of knowing both of those attacks at the moment.

NoHatPat
15th March 2011, 4:10 AM
Farfetch'd learns Night Slash and Air Slash, and can breed with Oshawott.

Oh yea hahah. I don't know why I never thought about looking at the 1st Generation partners. Hmm, guess I'll have to start beating the Elite 4 after all. Was hoping to wait till the Dream World came out before taking on the 8th Gym and stuff. Thanks.

Red421
15th March 2011, 4:24 PM
Is it certain that if a pokemon has two potential abilities (scraggy with moxie or shed skin) that what the bred pokemon will come out with is completely random?

siny
15th March 2011, 8:34 PM
if i want to learn cubchoo icepunch because it is a eggmove what do i have to do extra so that the when breeding the little ones will know this move??

Rakurai
15th March 2011, 10:07 PM
Is it certain that if a pokemon has two potential abilities (scraggy with moxie or shed skin) that what the bred pokemon will come out with is completely random?

It is completely random.


if i want to learn cubchoo icepunch because it is a eggmove what do i have to do extra so that the when breeding the little ones will know this move??

Find a male Pokemon in the same egg group as Cubchoo that knows Ice Punch, and have it breed with a female Cubchoo.

nxnja
15th March 2011, 11:18 PM
Anyone know of a good place to EV train defense? I'm trying Pinwheel forest, but I keep running into pidoves -_-

Blue Raja
16th March 2011, 12:14 AM
OK-
I have had three instances of what I am terming "critical hatch".

While holding 4 or 5 eggs and riding my bike I have all of the eggs hatch in a row.

That is one egg hatches per step taken until all (twice) or most (all but one) have popped.

Has anyone else had this happen?

smashfanDS
16th March 2011, 2:17 AM
ok....I just found out that pokemon cant relearn forgotten egg moves....need to do more breeding now :(

Harold-Reborn
16th March 2011, 8:12 AM
Em I have a Question. For example . Sigilyph has two abilities a. Wonder Skin b. Magic Guard. My female siglyph has Wonder Skin. If i breed it will the baby have a chance to have Magic Guard?

Rakurai
16th March 2011, 8:24 AM
Em I have a Question. For example . Sigilyph has two abilities a. Wonder Skin b. Magic Guard. My female siglyph has Wonder Skin. If i breed it will the baby have a chance to have Magic Guard?

Yes. The ability is chosen at random.

enoc
17th March 2011, 12:30 AM
how can tympol learn earth power?

Blackjack the Titan
17th March 2011, 1:07 AM
I looked at the Serebii page for new breeding mechanics and I just don't understand them. Are they saying we can control the baby Pokémon's nature?

Dasdardly
17th March 2011, 1:12 AM
I looked at the Serebii page for new breeding mechanics and I just don't understand them. Are they saying we can control the baby Pokémon's nature?

Yes, if you equip one of the parents with an everstone there's a 50% chance the offspring will have that parent's nature.

Iyashii
17th March 2011, 1:17 AM
how can tympol learn earth power?

Level up a Male Corsola to 53 and it will learn Earth Power.
Egg group of Corsola is Water 1 and Water 3.

Tympole has Egg group Water 1.

Simply breed the Male Corsola with a Female Tympole to achieve Earth Power on Tympole.

meowm1xx
17th March 2011, 8:08 AM
If I wanted an Archen with Dragon Pulse and Earth Power how would I go about doing that?

Rakurai
17th March 2011, 8:26 AM
If I wanted an Archen with Dragon Pulse and Earth Power how would I go about doing that?

Presently, you can only have one move or the other, as to my knowledge, no Pokemon in the same egg group as Archen is capable of learning both.

Blackjack the Titan
17th March 2011, 9:50 AM
Which nature is the one that helps increase Sp.Defense more often?

wearjo
17th March 2011, 9:54 AM
hmmm... i just thought of something... with the Masuda Method is it possible to breed a pokemon to be shiny, have a specific nature and have the ivs of a parent?

Mario with Lasers
17th March 2011, 1:15 PM
OK-
I have had three instances of what I am terming "critical hatch".

While holding 4 or 5 eggs and riding my bike I have all of the eggs hatch in a row.

That is one egg hatches per step taken until all (twice) or most (all but one) have popped.

Has anyone else had this happen?

They changed the way hatching works; back in RSE/DPPt, it was based in "cycles" of 256 steps each; in example, a Magikarp Egg takes 5 cycles to hatch. You walk 256, the cycle counter decreases by one; walk another 256, decreases by one again; walk 255, it doesn't decrease. If you had an Egg and took another one with the Daycare man, you would reset the current step counter for the next cycle so, in the aforementioned example, if you walked 255 steps and took and Egg, you would get back to 2 completed cycles and 0 steps for the next one instead of keeping the step counter, walking one more and then the cycle counter decreasing by one again; same thing would happen if one Egg hatched. They apparently changed this in B/W, I just don't remember to what. I guess now they round up the steps, maybe? Either way, it's not a "critical hatch" as in a lucky chance, it's the current mechanics for it.

Iyashii
17th March 2011, 4:08 PM
Which nature is the one that helps increase Sp.Defense more often?

http://www.serebii.net/games/natures.shtml


hmmm... i just thought of something... with the Masuda Method is it possible to breed a pokemon to be shiny, have a specific nature and have the ivs of a parent?


From my understanding, the Everstone will not yield the 50% to pass down natures while the parents are not from the same nationality.

That would mean Masuda Method is not compatible with the Everstone.
Verification is needed, though.

Red421
17th March 2011, 10:05 PM
trying to breed a neutral natured female swampert on platinum to send to black via my serious natured swampert on platinum and 10+ eggs so far are male with the with like 80% of them being serious. =\ hope the game aint freaking broken ...feels that way.

Wraithwin
18th March 2011, 1:04 AM
Wish I saw this before my last post...
Here's what I'm trying (and failing) to do:

Breed a Mienfoo with "Me First"

I figured Accelgor would be the best candidate, but they can't make eggs.
If not that, I'm not sure I have access to any that can transfer the move.

How can I get that move to my Mienfoo hatchling?

Red421
18th March 2011, 2:18 AM
TYVM Rakurai




forgot to add ...is it possible to send a ditto's nature on if it has an everstone attached?

Rakurai
18th March 2011, 2:23 AM
Wish I saw this before my last post...
Here's what I'm trying (and failing) to do:

Breed a Mienfoo with "Me First"

I figured Accelgor would be the best candidate, but they can't make eggs.
If not that, I'm not sure I have access to any that can transfer the move.

How can I get that move to my Mienfoo hatchling?

Use a male Lucario, Stantler, or Absol to pass the move on instead. All three can be caught in B/W.


I just re-read what i could find on breeding on serebii and couldn't find an answer to a couple questions I have even though I thought I had read them there before. If someone would be so kind I have two questions.

If I choose to breed via ditto and want a certain nature do I still have to have a female parent with the nature I want, everstone attached to pass it on?

Also If I want egg moves passed on does It still have to be a male parent with the moves I want passed down in order for it to happen?

much thanks ...been breeding mudkips without a single one coming out female and give up.

1. No. Natures can be passed from either parent now.

2. Yes. A male is still required.

Wraithwin
18th March 2011, 2:39 AM
Thanks! :)
Figured out the pre-gen ones, but I'm trying to get this Mienfoo bred before elite 4...
So that puts me in a bit of a tight spot. Hitting up trade forums looking for a Lucario for now.

Red421
18th March 2011, 2:57 AM
1. No. Natures can be passed from either parent now.

2. Yes. A male is still required.

alright so i just tried passing a male nature down via everstone on PLATINUM (if that makes a difference) and like I thought I had tried before not one out of 5 came out with the father's nature ...vs most of a box having the mothers nature when I had done it with her ...is this a new black and white thing or what?

Shrine Sprite
19th March 2011, 12:46 AM
Hey! I'm planning to breed a lot more this generation and I'd like some things clarified.

1. I read above that natures can be passed down from either parent in this generation (holding an everstone). Is that true?

2. Is there a method for passing down specific abilities?

3. Holding a "power" item will ensure that the parent's IV of that type are passed down, correct? Can this be done for either parent also? (i.e. give Power Specs to father and Power Band to mother and ensure the passage of both of their respective IVs)

I can't believe I spent so much time trying to pass on Lillil's 31 SpAtk IV before I realized Petilil is female only. >_< Sooo inconvenient.

Rakurai
19th March 2011, 1:00 AM
1. Yes. It's not guaranteed still, though, so don't get discouraged if you get a Pokemon with the right nature immediately.

2. Nope. It's totally random.

3. You can only pass an IV from a single parent using a power item. Trying to use two power items will result in one of the IVs being chosen randomly.


alright so i just tried passing a male nature down via everstone on PLATINUM (if that makes a difference) and like I thought I had tried before not one out of 5 came out with the father's nature ...vs most of a box having the mothers nature when I had done it with her ...is this a new black and white thing or what?

I believe it was HG/SS that made it so you can pass natures using a male Pokemon. I know it can't be done in DPP for certain, though.

DarumakkaImposter
19th March 2011, 3:32 AM
OK-
I have had three instances of what I am terming "critical hatch".

While holding 4 or 5 eggs and riding my bike I have all of the eggs hatch in a row.

That is one egg hatches per step taken until all (twice) or most (all but one) have popped.

Has anyone else had this happen?

it happened to me yestaerday :D

carrutt
19th March 2011, 3:32 AM
I'm really new, but I'm guessing a mach punch and drain punch conkeldurr is out of the question?

PinkPalkia
19th March 2011, 3:34 AM
I am breeding a Japanese Ditto with Axew Jolly natured with Mold Breaker. What are the odds that it will pass down Mold Breaker..? And it has Att characteristic too, but are Att IVs random?

DarumakkaImposter
19th March 2011, 3:36 AM
I am breeding a Japanese Ditto with Axew Jolly natured with Mold Breaker. What are the odds that it will pass down Mold Breaker..? And it has Att characteristic too, but are Att IVs random?

if you give Axew (if its male) an everstone then t will have a high chance of passing the abaility down


I'm really new, but I'm guessing a mach punch and drain punch conkeldurr is out of the question?

nope its possible

PinkPalkia
19th March 2011, 3:38 AM
Ok, thanks~

DarumakkaImposter
19th March 2011, 3:42 AM
Ok, thanks~

yepp :D

how would you get a psycho cut pawniard?

Rakurai
19th March 2011, 3:45 AM
Use a Kadabra to breed Psycho Cut onto a Pawniard.

meowm1xx
19th March 2011, 3:48 AM
Is there a Pokemon that can learn Hypnosis or Sleep Powder and False Swipe? Mean Look would be a plus too but I think that may be asking for way too much. Basically trying to get the ultimate catcher.. so if you have any tips for me I'd appreciate it a lot. :]

DarumakkaImposter
19th March 2011, 3:53 AM
Use a Kadabra to breed Psycho Cut onto a Pawniard.

thank you ill teach my kadabra psycho cut and do that ^.^


Is there a Pokemon that can learn Hypnosis or Sleep Powder and False Swipe? Mean Look would be a plus too but I think that may be asking for way too much. Basically trying to get the ultimate catcher.. so if you have any tips for me I'd appreciate it a lot. :]
mew but it can only be accesible from an event that was held last year for HG/SS :/

PinkPalkia
19th March 2011, 3:59 AM
The Axew I left in the Daycare has EVerstone, but it's a girl and some of the babies have MB. Does the ability passing only work for males?

carrutt
19th March 2011, 4:01 AM
nope its possible

How can I get a conkeldurr with both mach punch and drain punch, I'm not seeing it

DarumakkaImposter
19th March 2011, 4:05 AM
The Axew I left in the Daycare has EVerstone, but it's a girl and some of the babies have MB. Does the ability passing only work for males?

yes, only males


How can I get a conkeldurr with both mach punch and drain punch, I'm not seeing it

egg moves

carrutt
19th March 2011, 4:11 AM
Obviously with egg moves, but if they're only passed on by the father, I'm not sure how to get both on the same timburr

Xaby
19th March 2011, 4:22 AM
I think you need to teach a Hitmonchan Drain Punch via TM and then get Mach Punch at level 16. Although I'm not sure if he can pass both moves, usually as long as a Pokémon can get the egg move it doesn't matter who the father is.

carrutt
19th March 2011, 4:36 AM
Okay, but you have to grandfather it in from gen 4. It doesn't work otherwise. Tricky

PinkPalkia
19th March 2011, 4:46 AM
Okay.. I've been using a male Mienshao with Regenerator and Everstone for Breeding.. But only 1/5 Mienfoos so far have Inner Focus. :(

Edit: 1/7 now.

Xaby
19th March 2011, 4:52 AM
Okay.. I've been using a male Mienshao with Regenerator and Everstone for Breeding.. But only 1/5 Mienfoos so far have Inner Focus. :(

Edit: 1/7 now.
Abilities are pretty much 50-50. As far as normal abilities go anyway. I'm still not sure how the Dream World ability breeding goes.

PinkPalkia
19th March 2011, 5:00 AM
1/9 have Inner Focus. This is nuts.. x_x; I really hope my shiny one will have Regenerator.

Xaby
19th March 2011, 5:11 AM
That's luck I guess. You wouldn't believe how many times I tried breeding for one male Dwebble even though they're supposed to be 50% male.

PinkPalkia
19th March 2011, 5:15 AM
Got a few more with Regenerator, but the amount of Inner Focus is still overwhelming.. o.o

PokeBrian
19th March 2011, 5:19 AM
I was breeding Oshawotts and I got 20 males before I got the requested female Oshawott. I now have a box full of Oshawotts just waiting to get shipped off.
I am curious about Natures/Abilities though. I was breeding an egg-move shellder for easy battle subway and found myself with the right nature (everstone'd) but the wrong ability. I can't find which one gets passed over, the nature has 50% chance with everstone but the ability is random (Technically 50%?)?

Xaby
19th March 2011, 6:45 AM
^Well starters are usually only 25% female. Still, even for a 1-in-4 ratio, you have to question the results. Oh well. Randomness is random I guess.

HeadOverHeels
19th March 2011, 10:25 AM
^Well starters are usually only 25% female. Still, even for a 1-in-4 ratio, you have to question the results. Oh well. Randomness is random I guess.
Actually 12.5 % :P

Dragoniteftw
19th March 2011, 10:51 AM
Finally completed my Quest of a Male Adamant Moxie, DD scraggy with decent IV's

even though its 50:50 male:female ratio, didn't feel like it, moxie was also annoying to get too

Final
19th March 2011, 11:07 AM
Finally. Got a Timid Deino with Dark Pulse and perfect Special Attack and Speed IVs. It was a pain too. Especially since I did it from scratch. Maybe I should've used one of my Bagons that have perfect Speed to help it but oh well. First IV bred 5th gen Pokemon for me.

1ee7leader
19th March 2011, 1:25 PM
How can I get a Scraggy with DD, Ice Punch AND ThunderPunch?

misterdarvus
19th March 2011, 2:57 PM
^
have a male dragonite from DPPtHgSs, make it learn DD, teach Ice & Thunder Punch on move tutor,transfer it to 5 gen, breed with female scraggy/scrafty

1ee7leader
19th March 2011, 3:01 PM
^
have a male dragonite from DPPtHgSs, make it learn DD, teach Ice & Thunder Punch on move tutor,transfer it to 5 gen, breed with female scraggy/scrafty

Hmmm, I'll try that later, thanks.

Dark Sharpedo
19th March 2011, 3:05 PM
I have found that People have taking the fact of Zoroark being breedable to their advantage...... being able to get the Illusion-prone Pokemon without having to go to an event has been a major up-side to team-building

DakotaThrice
19th March 2011, 3:50 PM
I've recently started taking breeding requests for egg move Pokémon and someone has requested a Growlithe with Close Combat, Flare Blitz and Howl. I know I can get the first two from the Chimchar line but I'm not sure how I can get all three together. Can anyone help.

magikot
19th March 2011, 4:55 PM
I've recently started taking breeding requests for egg move Pokémon and someone has requested a Growlithe with Close Combat, Flare Blitz and Howl. I know I can get the first two from the Chimchar line but I'm not sure how I can get all three together. Can anyone help.

Use Smeargle.

DakotaThrice
19th March 2011, 7:19 PM
Use Smeargle.

Thank you for pointing out my powers of fail. I've Ben telling people that a lot myself lately. Next time I'll remember to check which egg group the poke I'm trying to breed is in

Icing Sugar
19th March 2011, 7:58 PM
Hey guys I have a question. I'm getting a spanish female ponyta with flash fire. I want to mm it so I can get my own shiny ponyta. The problem is that I read in other thread that the ability of the child will be completely random, but I read in other places that hatchlings always have the mother's ability, which is the truth?

Rakurai
19th March 2011, 9:36 PM
Hey guys I have a question. I'm getting a spanish female ponyta with flash fire. I want to mm it so I can get my own shiny ponyta. The problem is that I read in other thread that the ability of the child will be completely random, but I read in other places that hatchlings always have the mother's ability, which is the truth?

The only time the female Pokemon has any influence on the ability of the hatchling is when it has a Dream World ability, in which case it'll be passed on about 50% of the time instead of either of the standard abilities.

SynchronizeTime
22nd March 2011, 3:39 PM
I got a female deino with dark pulse. Is there a way to breed into another dark pulse deino? Because the male deinos are unavailable for me as they wanted hydreigon and carracosta, reshiram etc

Hydrogen
22nd March 2011, 3:57 PM
Yeah, the female is the important one. Breed with ditto!

Mario with Lasers
22nd March 2011, 5:32 PM
I got a female deino with dark pulse. Is there a way to breed into another dark pulse deino? Because the male deinos are unavailable for me as they wanted hydreigon and carracosta, reshiram etc

No, only the male parent can pass down Egg moves. You're shorthanded this time.

1ee7leader
22nd March 2011, 10:35 PM
^
have a male dragonite from DPPtHgSs, make it learn DD, teach Ice & Thunder Punch on move tutor,transfer it to 5 gen, breed with female scraggy/scrafty

I have a problem with this now, Serebii says that Scraggy can't learn Ice Punch from a Dragonite, so how am I supoosed to chain breed onto one? I'm confused.

Rakurai
22nd March 2011, 10:41 PM
Use a Smeargle to sketch Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, and Dragon Dance.

It's the only way you can get all three moves on a Scraggy, due to Dragonite's inability to learn Thunder Punch.

1ee7leader
22nd March 2011, 10:55 PM
Use a Smeargle to sketch Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, and Dragon Dance.

It's the only way you can get all three moves on a Scraggy, due to Dragonite's inability to learn Thunder Punch.

It can learn Thunder Punch, by relearning.

Skyress
23rd March 2011, 9:54 PM
It can learn Thunder Punch, by relearning.

What he means is, Smeargle to sketch Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, and Dragon Dance. If you just breed with a Dragonite, you'll be missing the Ice Punch.

Potato of Steel
25th March 2011, 9:36 PM
i'm pretty new to breeding, and i'm kind of stuck

i'm trying to breed a Deino that knows dragon pulse, dark pulse, and rough skin

i have a Pupitar (male) that knows dark pulse, a Dragonite (male) who knows dragon pulse, and a Druddigon who has the rough skin ability, i also have multiple deinos and an everstone.

where do i go from here?