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blink849
4th November 2010, 2:00 AM
These are my first thoughts on a future team for white, and I'd like to use only 5th generation pokemon, since this game is less like a sequel and more like the beginning of a whole new era of pokemon. Here is what I have so far. No egg moves please, this is an in-game team, I might make it competitive if it is good enough.

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/503.png
Torrent
-Surf
-Megahorn
-Ice beam
-Aerial ace

I picked this pokemon out of spite for gamefreak giving us a fire/fighting starter for 3 generations in a row. I'm simply tired of using that type combination. Was 2 generations not enough to get it right gamefreak?? Besides, I love water pokemon, and this hits harder than the grass starter and provides better type coverage. It also has higher speed than the stupid pig.

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/555.png
Encourage
-Flare blitz
-Hammer arm
-Earthquake
-Stone edge

This is obviously the best fire sweeper of this generation. With an astounding 140 base attack and an above average speed, coupled with great type coverage, this is one of the most impressive pokemon on this team.

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/571.png
Illusion
-Nasty plot
-Night burst
-Flamethrower
-Shadow ball

I wasn't initially too impressed with this pokemon until I gave it a closer look. It has impressive stats. It has nasty plot, which makes it an amazing special sweeper. It's signature dark attack is the best dark type attack in history as well.

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/625.png
Competitive spirit
-Night slash
-Iron head
-Brick break
-Stone edge

When I gave this pokemon a look, I immediately knew that it had to be on my team. It is so slick. I love the typing and the impressive stats. It makes a good physical sweeper, while still providing a good defense.

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/612.png
Mold breaker
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Aerial ace
-Shadow claw

This pokemon is just begging to be abused. At first I was more impressed with it's dark/dragon counterpart, But this has less weaknesses, a HUGE attack, and learns better moves.

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/561.png
Miracle skin
-Psychic
-Air slash
-Energy ball
-Ice beam

This pokemon never stood out to me until I had to decide a 6th pokemon to place on my team. Overall, there are better pokemon available with better stats and typing than this one, but this is on my team simply for type coverage and to mix things up a little. It is more impressive than I first gave it credit for.

Again, I would like to keep this team 5th-gen only, and uber-free. Suggestions are welcome.

Aurath8
4th November 2010, 8:01 PM
These are my first thoughts on a future team for white, and I'd like to use only 5th generation pokemon, since this game is less like a sequel and more like the beginning of a whole new era of pokemon. Here is what I have so far. No egg moves please, this is an in-game team, I might make it competitive if it is good enough.

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/503.png
Torrent
-Surf
-Megahorn
-Ice beam
-Grass Knot

I picked this pokemon out of spite for gamefreak giving us a fire/fighting starter for 3 generations in a row. I'm simply tired of using that type combination. Was 2 generations not enough to get it right gamefreak?? Besides, I love water pokemon, and this hits harder than the grass starter and provides better type coverage. It also has higher speed than the stupid pig.
Stop flaming Enbuoo for invalid reasons. Or else.
Aerial Ace doesn't do much for Diakenki or your team. Grass Knot handles other water types, especially Burungeru as it resists three of your moves.


http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/555.png
Encourage
-Flare blitz
-Brick Break
-Earthquake
-Stone edge

This is obviously the best fire sweeper of this generation. With an astounding 140 base attack and an above average speed, coupled with great type coverage, this is one of the most impressive pokemon on this team.
Hammer arm lowers your speed and makes you susceptible to slower harder hitting pokemon. Brick Break does a similar job but weaker with 100 accuracy.

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/571.png
Illusion
-Nasty Plot/Sucker Punch
-Night burst
-Flamethrower
-Grass Knot/Hidden Power (fighting)

I wasn't initially too impressed with this pokemon until I gave it a closer look. It has impressive stats. It has nasty plot, which makes it an amazing special sweeper. It's signature dark attack is the best dark type attack in history as well.
Nasty Plot makes him deadly but he's even more frail than Infernape(assuming you used him.) so getting of nasty plot is hard without a disabled opponent. Sucker Punch, which probably is the best dark move, gets very strong priority if you sprinkle on a little prediction.

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/625.png
Competitive spirit
-Night slash
-Iron Head/Swords Dance
-Brick break
-Stone edge

When I gave this pokemon a look, I immediately knew that it had to be on my team. It is so slick. I love the typing and the impressive stats. It makes a good physical sweeper, while still providing a good defense.

Iron Head is a slightly stronger flinching brick break on rock/ice types(the latter hit by stone edge anyway) making it a bit redundant. Swords Dance boosts that great attack further, it's not as if rock or ice troubles you anyway.

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/612.png
Mold breaker
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Dragon Dance

This pokemon is just begging to be abused. At first I was more impressed with it's dark/dragon counterpart, But this has less weaknesses, a HUGE attack, and learns better moves.

Dragon Dance is probably the best sweeper setup move. Use it. Stone Edge takes out ice types, gets great coverage with earthquake and Aerial Ace is weak and does nothing for Ononono.


http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/561.png
Miracle skin
-Psychic
-Air slash
-Energy ball
-Ice beam

This pokemon never stood out to me until I had to decide a 6th pokemon to place on my team. Overall, there are better pokemon available with better stats and typing than this one, but this is on my team simply for type coverage and to mix things up a little. It is more impressive than I first gave it credit for.
Fine.

Again, I would like to keep this team 5th-gen only, and uber-free. Suggestions are welcome.

No huge weaknesses no ultimate resistors and a perfect physical/special balance. The team gets good synergy, well done besides the invalid Enbuoo hate.

blink849
4th November 2010, 10:00 PM
Thanks for the advice, although I don't think the Enbuoo hate is invalid. Gamefreak decided to not be creative. They could have made it fire/ground, or even fire/psychic. Or at least if they're gonna use the biggest cliche ever for the fire starter, they could have made Diakenki water/electric so that the other two starters didn't have boring typing.

ungulateman
5th November 2010, 6:58 AM
Infernape and Emboar are both based on a Chinese folk tale (Don't remember its name right now). Blaziken has no excuse except for being a badass kung fu chicken.

Also lol @ Water/Electric Daikenki.

PC+1

Aurath8
5th November 2010, 7:07 PM
You could put Charge Beam on Shinpora, so it's able to hit steels and forms Boltbeam but it's weak and unreliable. It could go over Energy Ball if you want to use it.
@ungulateman It's called Journey to the West.
And same typing =/= same pokemon. Fortress and Scizor? If you told me they had the same typing a year ago I wouldn't beleive a word. Girafarig and Meloetta? They only pokemon with that type and the only thing they have in common is typing and mmammalian properties. Infernape and Emboar may be less differing in appearance but the massive stat differences between the two affect how they play greatly. /lecture

blink849
5th November 2010, 8:14 PM
I thought about putting charge beam on it, but like you said, its weak and unreliable, and I wanted more grass moves on my team. That being said, I don't have any electric moves on my team, but ice beam and grass moves takes care of any pokemon that you would need electric moves for.

And don't give me that "they're two completely different pokemon" thing. They both have high attack stats, infernape has high speed and emboar has high defense, but relatively low speed, making it almost unusable in the OU environment. At least infernape was a viable sweeper. Emboar has all the same weaknesses and the same low spDef. It simply would've been better as a fire/ground or fire/psychic.

Aurath8
5th November 2010, 10:17 PM
Togekiss and Tyranitar are OU, as is Metagross, Magnezone and Scizor. Not everything is a super-fast sweeper.
It is outclassed by infernape as a sweeper except for Nitro Charge, but that makes it outclassed by Speed Boost Blaziken. You can't expect Gamefreak to pull out a great OU pokemon each gen.
Emboar isn't a sweeper, he's a wallbreaker. He has powerful attacking stats, decent defence(his defences are almost exactly like Arcanine) and powerful moves to back up the stat. Take Gallade, 125 attack stat, not so stellar speed, great special defense and Close Combat.


emboar has high defense

the same low special defence

Indeed.

Fire/Ground appears to be a good typing, I aggree to that. it doesn't fit the legend though.
Fire/Psychic. Wut? When did a pig become telepathic. Say Spoink or and Grumpig and you die.

To summarise, Emboar is not another Infernape and is not trying to be either. He's not fast, but he doesn't need to be. He's much more powerful than 'Ape too. If he had not been based on a specific tale he would have a great chance of being Fire/ground and would be great for his popularity. I'd just like people not to look at those red and brown boxes and immaediately think it's a slow crappy clone of Infernape and Blaziken.

ungulateman
6th November 2010, 5:49 AM
Also, Fire/Ground is a terrible typing. (See: 4th Gen Camerupt. It has fricking Eruption and a support movepool to die for (Yawn? Charm? Solid Rock?), but it's still NU.)

Now let's stop arguing over how terrible new Pokemon automatically have to be and have fun instead.

blink849
6th November 2010, 8:19 AM
Spoink and or grumpig.

Anyway, having 464896 different variations of the fire/fighting type is annoying. Also, there are plenty of pokemon who do emboar's job much better. Yeah, he has high attack, defense and hp, but so does rhyperior, and you never see him being used.

Aurath8
6th November 2010, 2:55 PM
3 fire/fighting evolutionary lines. Just three.
Rhyperior doesn't learns Flare Blitz and many other fire moves that Emboar has. Emboar does not have high defense, neither does he have low defense. As I have said his defences are very similar to Arcanine, who has 90 Hp and 80 in each defense. Rhyperior is never used because he can't take a special hit well at all and has an awful defensive typing. He is a one-sided pokemon towards physical bukl an physical attacking power while Emboar can hit from both sides of the spectrum easily. If anything he is comparable to a 4th generation Blaziken, hitting hard with a decent mixed movepool. Emboar is not going to be a top 10 OU and stop expecting Emboar to be this gen's wonder starter or that I'm trying to persuade to you it is.