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^^Yoshinichi^^
3rd December 2010, 7:17 AM
Approved by Sweet May

Project Phoenix

No, this is not a Phoenix Wright fangame.

This isn't just a fanproject for fake Pokemon. It's much deeper than that. Project Pheonix is an attempt to revitalize a rather defunct community. It is meant for us to all gather together and work towards a common goal. To create a high-quality fan region. By no means will this ever become a game. That goal is much too lofty. It will, however, be seen by the world if one of us were to put up sprites or sketches on DeviantART.

We're all going to get together and design a region full of Fakemon together, starting from scratch. That means no old sprites, no old concepts. Just the bare-bones. I encourage you all to pitch in for this project. The ultimate goal would be to have good sprites for all our Fakemon, though it's much more than just that. You don't have to be good at spriting, or making Fakemon to be a part of this. All you need is a good imagination. If you have a good idea, but suck at drawing, you can have somebody else sprite it to your specifications.

To help with the diversity of the Fakedex, I'd like anyone who's part of this project to design at least one evolutionary family, appearance wise. That way our region can be as authentic as a real one. A region full of Pokemon of different appearances and motifs.

This isn't just working on sprites on our own and posting them. We need to feel like a team, so we should work together to figure out what works and what doesn't, and modify our Fakemon as we go along. So rather, we would post a Work-in-progress sprite to see how it looks, so all that effort doesn't go to waste. Nobody's opinion is stupid. If somebody wants to design a mole Pokemon, don't call them out on it. So what if we have Diglett and Mogurew? Disregard any existing Pokemon and design what you want. That's how this project will work.

Before anyone starts spriting a design, we will settle on what the concept is, the feel the Pokemon should give the viewer, and how to get that feel across. If User A comes up with a cool idea but doesn't want to design it himself, User B is free to offer to design it himself. Each person will get individually credited for the Fakemon they made or helped make, and I think what I like about this project is that it encourages diversity.

If you look at any Fakedex, all the Pokemon have the same sort of feel. But, by teaming up into one entity, our Fakedex becomes diverse with different styles and different mindsets. Again, I encourage even those were are new to spriting to participate. If you sprite a Fakemon and it turns out bad, don't feel bad. It's not your fault at all. We won't blame you or say it sucks. However, so we have good quality sprites in our Fakedex, another spriter will sprite your Fakemon if you permit them to. The catch is, if you resprite another person's Fakemon, you carry the responsibility to not alter the design itself. If you're not sure what it's supposed to look like, it's your duty to ask the original designer. I don't want us to have to design Fakemon by necessity, but design by personal wish.

This is supposed to be the SPPf Spriting Forums dream Pokedex, but we still may need a Pokemon cap so this can eventually be completed. This encourages the project to last a long time toward a realistic goal. In conclusion, I hope I was able to explain what Project Phoenix will try to achieve. Just to note, we will not work any sprites at first, as this would ruin the point of the project.

No, the spriting will come once we generate enough ideas to get every participant involved in this. Kapichse? Oh, and if you post a WIP and somebody suggests what you could change about it, don't take it as an insult. We're all supposed to be helping each other out so we can create a good Fakedex. I truly hope this can instill some more activity in the Spriting forum, because this is the kind of teamwork Game Freak itself practices. Please advertise this project to other forums and encourage experienced spriters to take part. That way, we can get more done

A list of Pokemon concepts every good region should have, just to keep with tradition. ;P
Grass-Fire-Water Starters
A Normal/Flying bird family
A Normal mammal family
A Legendary trio
A powerful Legendary duo, often of opposing forces
A cute, mystical, small legendary


The rest is up to our imagination. ;P Don't think we have to come up with the starters first. Come up with whatever your mind thinks of!

And be sure to ask any questions you may have. I know you'll have many.

Some general rules, which will be updated as time goes on:
1. Each person's responsible for their own design, meaning you cannot modify another person's design without their permission.
2. As this is a sprite thread, criticism is inevitable and it's expected you handle it maturely.
3. This is not a chat thread.
4.Since we want to be original, we can only have so many Fakemon based on certain animals. We can't have too many canines, for example.
5. As I said before, I will not accept verbal put-downs of ideas. We obviously can't use every idea, so rather than rejecting them, we should decide what's best for our region.
6. No new types. New types are always really lame and it's hard to define how to classify a Fakemon as a type that we know nothing about.
7. Let's focus on Fakemon for now. Remember, since this is technically a sprite project, we need to sprite some Pokemon fairly soon after we have some solid ideas in the making. Gym leaders etc. will come in their time.

Ideas so far:
Ice/Fighting/Flying triangle of Pokemon
Dark/Psychic/Fighting triangle of Pokemon
Ice/Ground/Steel triangle of Pokemon
Chow-chow->Pixiu or chinese guardian lion (shisha?) depending on a certain factor
Fire/Ice Thermometer
Water Rabbit starter
Water Camel starter
Fire snake starter
Grass bird starter
Snowball-snowman-yeti Ice/Dark
Ice sprite-ice spirit-Snow goddess(?) Ice/Psychic
Freyass(eyass+frey),evolves into Fiercel(Tiercel+Fierce), than into Peregaunt(Peregrine+Gauntlet)
Christmas Cactus
Thunder Gorilla
Lightning Cheetah
Ice/Steel Narwhal 2-stage
A macaw who's tail always points north; used for navigation; pure flying.
- An orange marmoset with a design on it's belly similar to the RSS logo and antenna-like ears. It's based around communication. No idea for the type.
- A lilac coloured maggot with a fire design, and has a small bit of fire coming out of it's circle mouth. Fire type, obv.
- A golem styled Pokémon, however it is made of glass. It has visible pumps which contain chocolate.
- A hamster with some sort of fruit on it's back.
- A ewe with toffee or some sort of candy stuck in it's wool
It goes like this: Rock Pawn---> Rock/Dark Rook ---> Rock/Dark King/Queen (Gender difference)
Rock Pawn---> Rock/Steel Knight ---> Rock/Steel Bishop..
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* A Water/Ghost Pokemon based off the karakasa-obake (umbrella ghost). It's super popular in Japan, so I'm surprised it hasn't been turned into a Pokemon yet.
* A Water/Fighting sponge mixed with a sumo wrestler...it increases its weight by taking in water making it near unmovable, referencing the sponge's sedentary nature. But we already have Killingedge's idea for a sponge, so that may overlap.
* Water/Ground Elephant, in reference to their mudbaths. Could be a bit tongue-in-cheek, with a mud-shaped pattern on its body that resembles a bikini. Could evolve into an elephant covered in mud which gives it the appearance of a woolly mammoth, with the dripping mud resembling long strands of hair.
* Water/Fighting dalmatian who is a fire-fighter, referencing their use at fire stations. Its ears could resemble a traditional Japanese fireman's hat.
A i have an idea for a magikarp/Feebass pokemon: It an ugly, urky colored swamp fish that evolves into a pokemon that resembled the Monster of the Black Lagoon.
Water Pokemon? Well, for the Golduck/Swana pokemon, what about a Flamingo? I know it's not that original but I've never seen a sprite of a flamingo pokemon.
I have a fakemon suggestion
-A banker-cheapskate pokemon. This pokemon would be fat and purple, it would be wearing what appears to be a suit. Its head would be nearly invisible because a really tall hat covers it. This pokemon would be Dark type and loves money

-A female Ninja pokemon, and a male Ninja pokemon. These guys could be dark/fighting type. I imagine them with blue-grey skin. The male would have a small cape and and a ski-like mask covering it's head, it would also have spiky black hair(protruding from mask). The female would also a small cape, but instead of a ski-mask she would have a cloth covering her mouth, she would have a black ponytail.
-A fighting type kangaroo pokemon.
-A pokemon that is based off of cupid, normal type.
-A grass/fighting type monkey pokemon.
-A water/ground type globe pokemon.
-A pokemon based of a pyromaniac, fire/dark type.
-A ghost/dark pokemon based of a burglar.
-A dragon type komodo dragon pokemon.
-A steel/ground type pokemon based off a shovel, that evolves into a pokemon based off a drill, which then evolves into a pokemon based off a jack-hammer.
-An electric type light-bulb pokemon.
Name: Absorphera (absorption + porifera)
Type: Water/Grass
Classification: The Absorption Pokemon

Size: 127.1 cm and 46.77 kg (4’2’’ and 103.1 lbs.)

Physical Description: http://www.mbari.org/news/feature-im...sponge-450.jpg
Take this sea sponge, color the white parts a deep teal color and the orange ’growths’ whiteish, and have it growing on the back of an also teal quadruped amphibian-esque creature. This creature has webbed feet with three fat toes each, and its face is white with large eyes and a fat mouth, and an oval-shaped nose.

Shiny: The main body and sponge are now silver, and the growths on the sponge and its face are gold.

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- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Crustacide (crustacean + homicide)
Type: Rock/Fighting
Classification: The Irate Pokemon

Size: 117.54 cm and 72.46 kg (46.28 inches and 159.75 pounds)

Physical Description: A giant fossil lobster. It sports a powerful stone exoskeleton covered in scrapes and cuts, with a light tan underbelly. It sports a large gash down and around its left eye, and a smaller one on its right eye. Its pincers are as large as you'd expect on a scaled-up lobster. Its front legs are a bit thicker than the ones in back. The stone comprising its exoskeleton and pincers is a medium-dark shade of brown, with the legs being a lighter brown.

Shiny: Crustacide’s exoskeleton is now a deep shade of navy blue, with the legs still a lighter variant. Its underbelly is a silverish-white.

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- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Syniphe ( synalpheus + snipe )
Type: Water/Fire
Classification: The Sharpshot Pokemon

Size: 73.76 cm and 19.5 kg (2’5’’ and 43 lbs.)

Physical Description: A red shrimp with large black eyes and a large right claw, shaped like a gun; the top looks normal, but the bottom of the claw looks like the handle of the gun and a trigger. Its left claw is normally-sized, with a sharp pincer at the end. Long, stringy legs with equally long and stringy whiskers, both colored the same as its body, but with black on the tips.

Shiny: Black with blue eyes, and blue tips on its legs and whiskers.

Gender Difference: Female Syniphe have a slightly slimmer gunclaw, and a slightly longer normal claw. Their whiskers are also cut a bit shorter.

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- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Obliterock
Type: Rock/Electric
Classification: The Impact Stone Pokemon

Height: 64 cm (2’1’’)
Weight: 7.53 kg (16.6 lbs)
(Height and weight include Obliterock’s stone, which is rather dense for its size.)

Physical Description: A large, fat, and very earthy-looking brown dung beetle. Rather than a ball of dung, however, it rolls around on a grey stone formed into a perfect sphere. The spots where its legs touch the rock give off sparks, showing that Obliterock is electrically bound to the stone.

Shiny: Obliterock itself is colored electric blue, while its stone is a polished marble color.

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- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Voltrellis
Type: Grass/Electric
Classification: The Live Wire Pokemon

Height: 189 cm (6’2’’)
Weight: 160.6 kg (354 lbs.)

Physical Description: A large horse-like creature wearing what appears to be an armor coating made of brown tree bark. It has holes scattered across this armor, through which neon-green vines are spun around its body. These vines have dark green leaves of different sizes growing on them at various points, along with Voltrellis itself having a mane of leaves. It also has three large leaves fanning off the top of its head, one pointed forward from its forehead, and the other two pointed backwards and drooping down the back of its head. (The three leaves are in a Y shape if you look at Voltrellis from above.) It also has an elegant white tail.

Shiny: Its armor is now a sandy white color, with neon-blue vines and bright green leaves.




Roughdraft Sprites so far:
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Completed sprites:
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Pokedex At a Glance:
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The next post will contain in-depth Pokedex entries for each Pokemon.

FourthBeat
3rd December 2010, 7:30 AM
Completed Sprites!
All completed sprites will be presented in the following format:


Name

(Original/Shiny)
Creator(s)
...


Puprim
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(Original/Shiny)
noobies/^^Yoshinichi^^
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Currently Nameless
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(Original/Shiny)
FourthBeat/^^Yoshinichi^^
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Bomble
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(Original/Shiny)
Kojiro/^^Yoshinichi^^
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Majestix
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(Original/Shiny)
FourthBeat/^^Yoshinichi^^
- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Majestix
Type: Fire/Flying
Classification: The Rebirth Pokemon

Height: 68.58 cm (2’3’’)
Weight: 47.04 kg (103.7 lbs)

- Dex Entries -
- It's believed that a Majestix will appear to lend its power to a trainer who is truly devoted and willing to give their all for the sake of their Pokemon.
- The vibrant flames Majestix summons with its attacks have remarkable properties. They will only burn Majestix’s foes, and their colors inspire all who see them.
- Majestix’s body overflows with life force, and as such it has amazing healing properties. Its tears can rejuvenate fellow Pokemon, while its feathers can ease human wounds.

- Abilities, Stats, and Obtaining Info -
Ability: Reawaken (Once per battle, if two of your Pokemon are fainted while Majestix is fainted, Majestix will be revived at 75% of its maximum health.)
Base Stats: 100 HP / 80 Attack / 95 Defense / 125 Sp.Atk / 105 Sp.Def / 95 Speed (BST 600)

Gender Ratio: Genderless

EVs: 3 Sp.Atk
Catch Rate: 3

- Level-Up Attacks -
Lv--: Fire Dance
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Lv--: Incinerate
Lv--: Gust
Lv9: Wing Attack
Lv16: Fire Spin
Lv23: Safeguard
Lv30: Air Cutter
Lv37: Agility
Lv44: Phoenix Blossom
Lv51: Recover
Lv58: Air Slash
Lv65: Heat Wave
Lv72: Gale
Lv79: Phoenix Tears

Phoenix Blossom
Type: Fire/Special
Power/Accuracy: 100/100
PP: 5
Description: The user unleashes a vibrant blossom of fire from its body that burns with its will to endure.
Effect: This attack also raises Majestix’s Defense and Sp.Def stats by one stage when used.

Phoenix Tears
Type: Fire/Support
Power/Accuracy: --/100
PP: 5
Priority: +1
Description: The user cuts its HP and regenerates one of its teammates’ at the same time.
Effect: The user halves its current HP, and whichever of its teammates currently has the lowest percentage of its max HP regains 50% of its own max HP. (This move can be used on the overworld as well, with the same effect.)

^^Yoshinichi^^
3rd December 2010, 7:38 AM
Heartily approve of this idea (:

Maybe it's just me, but I've always wanted a quadrupedal (final form) Fire starter. Grass and Water have had them (Venusaur/Torterra and Wotter's final evolution respectively), and Fire has been cheated out of it since Typhlosion usually goes bipedal. Thoughts?
Yeah, Tepig would have made a great four-legged fire starter. I'm not sure what we could make that would work though. Maybe an armadillo? Or perhaps some sort of four-legged reptile. Let's all share our ideas!

CaptainCombusken
3rd December 2010, 6:21 PM
Better idea than Raiga had, no offence meant. Well, it's more of a continuation of that idea with better rules. So yeah.

I've always liked Starters that are either super-effective against both others, or ones that are super-effective with both types against the others. So a few little ideas:
Ice/Fighting/Flying
Dark/Psychic/Fighting
Ice/Ground/Steel

Fire/Ice would be a good idea, especially seeing as it's something we haven't seen yet at all. Maybe something based on a Thermometer or something similar?
My concepts often involve inanimate objects ;).

-Raiga-
3rd December 2010, 8:16 PM
Better idea than Raiga had, no offence meant. Well, it's more of a continuation of that idea with better rules. So yeah.

And where exactly are these rules? All I see in every paragraph is "lets all work together and make a fakedex" Its the same exact thing as what we did before. Its not like I couldn't have kept the thread open, but to create a mediocre fakedex with a bunch of old sprites wasn't anyones goal.

Look, its not like I don't want this project to work, I wish it the best. But its really the same damn thing with cheesy "lets be happy and don't make fun of anyone" replacing my first post.

I'm not mad or anything, given it was a community project that people decided the rules for, not myself. Just don't act like I didnt' have the rules there, because I did, and as I'm sure Yoshinichi is about to find out, its enforcing the rules(or lack thereof) for every newbie every 3 posts thats the hard thing.

noobiess
3rd December 2010, 10:44 PM
Ok, it's quit cheesy, but I like the idea of grouping together.
I do'nt think their won't be alot of arguing, but when you are able to keep tit under control, arguing could be really learnfull...

I want to like give an idea for the region as well...
I usaly liek to use alot of mythology and specific based animals for my fakemon, so here I don't make an exception...
So here is the idea,
the basic pokemon is a chow chow, a dog specificly from monogolia,
and there will be 2 evolution,
one is a Pixiu (a mythical chinse dog/lion with wings)(and I personaly would make a pattern that refers to feng shui (typical for pixiu)
The other evolution is a big chinese guardian lion (with a pattern of the flawer of life, because it's typical for this thing)

I probably won't design them, because I'm terrebly busy...
So hopefully somebody else will :)

tomthepom
4th December 2010, 1:31 AM
Better idea than Raiga had, no offence meant. Well, it's more of a continuation of that idea with better rules. So yeah.

I've always liked Starters that are either super-effective against both others, or ones that are super-effective with both types against the others. So a few little ideas:
Ice/Fighting/Flying
Dark/Psychic/Fighting
Ice/Ground/Steel

Fire/Ice would be a good idea, especially seeing as it's something we haven't seen yet at all. Maybe something based on a Thermometer or something similar?
My concepts often involve inanimate objects ;).



I like the idea of this whole thing, just saying though, Dark/Psychic/Fighting isn't a trio since psychic doesn't touch dark. Which also contradicts what you said above.

Anyway, i wish you guys the best of luck with the project.

Epwna is a Sceptile
4th December 2010, 3:16 AM
I agree with Proby's idea for Fighting/Ice/Flying. And I have a few concepts.

Ice:
1. A snowball, evolves into a snowman, than an Ice/Dark Yeti.
2. A little ice sprite, evolves into an ice spirit, than an Ice/Psychic Snow goddess (named Khizzard, Khione,the goddess of snow+blizzard).

I'll give my other concepts later.

FourthBeat
4th December 2010, 3:27 AM
Ooh, I like the idea of a thermometer, it works perfectly for Fire/Ice. I would be cautious about making it a starter though, since the starters are all animal-based. It definitely could be the Rotom or Castform of the region. It could have different forms based on the weather, perhaps? A Blue Mercury form when there's Hail, and Red Murcury for sun. In any other weather, or no weather, it could be purple?

As for the Chow Chow, I really like it. There aren't enough split evolutions in the recent generations. (:

Armadillos seem a little bit overdone in FakeDexes, not that it's necessarily a bad thing... I just think there's a more original route. After Lions, Armadillos are probably the most common Fire starter in FakeDexes. What about a Fire elephant? I can totally see it spouting fire from its trunk.

As for a Water starter, how do people feel about a Camel? They store water in their humps, so that would work. One thing that always bothers me in FakeDexes is when the Water starter is a fish or serpent or something... Heresofar, the Water starters are always able to walk on land as well as strive in water.

evolutionrex
4th December 2010, 4:26 AM
Awesome. I am welling to help anyway i can! :D

As of spriting, not very good (i'm not the worst though). But i am good with coming up with ideas for pokemon, along with locations.

Some locations for the map:
-A farm that raises miltank and other farm related pokemon (along with fakemon.) It could be the only place in the region where you can get berries from the plants. There could be a whole feild full of berry plants and areas where you can plant the berries. You could get money from a farmer if you plant the berries. Battlers could also be hidden throughout the farm.

-A Pokemon hospital filled with doctor and nurse battlers, along with hospital related Pokemon (Chancy for an example.) The 1st floor should look like an ordinary Pokemon Center, but as you go up stairs you see tons of rooms full of sick pokemon and people, as well as Doctors and Nurses. in the Pokemon Hospital, there should be a Pokemon Center, an Emergency room, isles of rooms full of sick Pokemon and people, offices, a storage room where you can find potions and healing items, and on the top floor there is a garden and park for the sick pokemon and people.

-A Trainer College. It comes from the idea of the Trainer Schools, but it is for the advanced. it should come late in the game, and you can become a student. There is a foot ball feild, laboratories, classrooms, dormitories, and Gym where you can practice battling with high leveled pokemon. there should also be a stadium where a Pokemon musical, Pokemon contest, or an entire new spin off of those two thing are held.

-A swamp. simple as that. swamp related pokemon could be found there.

As for pokemon starter ideas, here are mine:
Grass starter: A duck, witch evolves into a goose, which then evolves into a part flying Swan pokemon.

Fire starter: A snake, which evolves into a rattle snake, which then evolves into a part dark type cobra pokemon.

Water Starter: A rabbit, which evolves into a part fighting type rabbit, which then evolves into a part fighting type sumo-wrestler (spelling?) rabbit pokemon.

^^Yoshinichi^^
4th December 2010, 4:33 AM
Time to respond. Man, I know I'm going to get my fair share of critics for something I thought was a good idea. :P


Ok, it's quit cheesy, but I like the idea of grouping together.
I do'nt think their won't be alot of arguing, but when you are able to keep tit under control, arguing could be really learnfull...

I want to like give an idea for the region as well...
I usaly liek to use alot of mythology and specific based animals for my fakemon, so here I don't make an exception...
So here is the idea,
the basic pokemon is a chow chow, a dog specificly from monogolia,
and there will be 2 evolution,
one is a Pixiu (a mythical chinse dog/lion with wings)(and I personaly would make a pattern that refers to feng shui (typical for pixiu)
The other evolution is a big chinese guardian lion (with a pattern of the flawer of life, because it's typical for this thing)

I probably won't design them, because I'm terrebly busy...
So hopefully somebody else will :)
A chowchow (http://animal-world.com/dogs/Non-Sporting-Dog-Breeds/images/ChowChowWDN_Ap6D.jpg), eh? I've seen these guys before, but I've never really thought about one as a Pokemon. I'd really like to design these guys, but I won't until I hear that other people think it's a good idea. Personally, I think it's brilliant. What does a fengshui pattern look like, though? And did you have a specific type for it?

Better idea than Raiga had, no offence meant. Well, it's more of a continuation of that idea with better rules. So yeah.

I've always liked Starters that are either super-effective against both others, or ones that are super-effective with both types against the others. So a few little ideas:
Ice/Fighting/Flying
Dark/Psychic/Fighting
Ice/Ground/Steel

Fire/Ice would be a good idea, especially seeing as it's something we haven't seen yet at all. Maybe something based on a Thermometer or something similar?
My concepts often involve inanimate objects ;).
Inanimate objects are great, but I personally think the original starter trio is fine. However, your Ice/Ground/Steel or Ice/Fighting/Flying triangles would be perfect for a regular Legendary Pokemon trio.

And where exactly are these rules? All I see in every paragraph is "lets all work together and make a fakedex" Its the same exact thing as what we did before. Its not like I couldn't have kept the thread open, but to create a mediocre fakedex with a bunch of old sprites wasn't anyones goal.

Look, its not like I don't want this project to work, I wish it the best. But its really the same damn thing with cheesy "lets be happy and don't make fun of anyone" replacing my first post.

I'm not mad or anything, given it was a community project that people decided the rules for, not myself. Just don't act like I didnt' have the rules there, because I did, and as I'm sure Yoshinichi is about to find out, its enforcing the rules(or lack thereof) for every newbie every 3 posts thats the hard thing.
Well, actually, it isn't. I want this to have a lot more creative process behind it, so we can actually make a quality fakedex that involves real work. Did you read carefully? I'm not trying to be rude, but if you did, you'd notice there is actually rules for this thing. And yes, I did make half of these rules up on the spot.

1. Each person's responsible for their own design, meaning you cannot modify another person's design without their permission.
2. As this is a sprite thread, criticism is inevitable and it's expected you handle it maturely.
3. This is not a chat thread.
4.Since we want to be original, we can only have so many Fakemon based on certain animals. We can't have too many canines, for example.
5. As I said before, I will not accept verbal put-downs of ideas. We obviously can't use every idea, so rather than rejecting them, we should decide what's best for our region.
6. No new types. New types are always really lame and it's hard to define how to classify a Fakemon as a type that we know nothing about.

If you'd be so inclined to, come up with more rules. I don't really see how I'm being cheesy for having a giant "pep talk", because I'm really just explaining how real design teams usually work and how the process of thought and creation would go. It's best we design Pokemon ideas together, but relegate the different ideas based on our areas of expertise. So somebody who's awesome at making cute fakemon could design some of those, whereas somebody that does "wacky" ones could design those kind. I'm shooting for at least a few Fakemon designed by everyone. And yes, I know I'll have to be lenient with the rules. If somebody just wants to submit any old sprite, they can as long as they actually put effort into describing what it is, the rhyme or reason, and improve the design if people think it needs work.

FourthBeat
4th December 2010, 4:45 AM
Maybe, this is just my opinion, but we should focus on the Dex before thinking about Gyms and locations and whatnot? I'm not saying we shouldn't ever get to those, but at least until we get going with ideas and sprites and make some progress, I think we should focus on the Pokemon... If we get too scattered we won't get anything done.

I very much like the Fire Snake idea though, it just needs to be a little more fleshed out. I think if we go to a Cobra we have to be careful to not just rip off Arbok. There are a lot of other cool snakes, like an Anaconda or a Viper, even. For a FakeDex I was making I had a Fire/Poison snake based off a Redbelly Snake. I also like the fighting rabbit, but the Water Starters heresofar have all been based off creatures that, to some extent, live in the water. Undecided about the Flying Grass starter.

evolutionrex
4th December 2010, 5:14 AM
Maybe, this is just my opinion, but we should focus on the Dex before thinking about Gyms and locations and whatnot? I'm not saying we shouldn't ever get to those, but at least until we get going with ideas and sprites and make some progress, I think we should focus on the Pokemon... If we get too scattered we won't get anything done.
I'm not arguing with what you say, but i just have to say i disagree.

Whenever i make a fake region, i always make the locations and map first(not including gyms and that stuff), and while doing that, i get ideas for fakemon.

For example, i say "Lets make swamp in the region" then another member says "Oh yeah, that'd be cool, and we can make a grass/water type crocodile to be found there!"

But, i think we should distribute this into to groups: the location makers and the pokemon makers. That way, the location makers will make a location idea, show it to the pokemon makers and they can give their opinions from their Fakemon view. Then the pokemon makers give their ideas and we to the same. It takes faster (if we keep communicating with each other) and it makes a well done region.


I very much like the Fire Snake idea though, it just needs to be a little more fleshed out. I think if we go to a Cobra we have to be careful to not just rip off Arbok. There are a lot of other cool snakes, like an Anaconda or a Viper, even. For a FakeDex I was making I had a Fire/Poison snake based off a Redbelly Snake. I also like the fighting rabbit, but the Water Starters heresofar have all been based off creatures that, to some extent, live in the water. Undecided about the Flying Grass starter.
The idea i had of the cobra could have fire on it's neck instead of the flaps like Arbok. I don't quite like the Fire/poison idea, it just doesn't seem like a starter pokemon type compination. Not it's a bad idea, just not for a starter.

I have to agree, that the past water starters are based off of animals that live on land and water.

^^Yoshinichi^^
4th December 2010, 5:36 AM
I agree with Proby's idea for Fighting/Ice/Flying. And I have a few concepts.

Ice:
1. A snowball, evolves into a snowman, than an Ice/Dark Yeti.
2. A little ice sprite, evolves into an ice spirit, than an Ice/Psychic Snow goddess (named Khizzard, Khione,the goddess of snow+blizzard).

I'll give my other concepts later.
Those are really great ideas, Epwna. Maybe we could make the two Ice type lines counterparts, like how Ranculus and Gothiselle are both Three-stage Psychic type version exclusives.


Ooh, I like the idea of a thermometer, it works perfectly for Fire/Ice. I would be cautious about making it a starter though, since the starters are all animal-based. It definitely could be the Rotom or Castform of the region. It could have different forms based on the weather, perhaps? A Blue Mercury form when there's Hail, and Red Murcury for sun. In any other weather, or no weather, it could be purple?

As for the Chow Chow, I really like it. There aren't enough split evolutions in the recent generations. (:

Armadillos seem a little bit overdone in FakeDexes, not that it's necessarily a bad thing... I just think there's a more original route. After Lions, Armadillos are probably the most common Fire starter in FakeDexes. What about a Fire elephant? I can totally see it spouting fire from its trunk.

As for a Water starter, how do people feel about a Camel? They store water in their humps, so that would work. One thing that always bothers me in FakeDexes is when the Water starter is a fish or serpent or something... Heresofar, the Water starters are always able to walk on land as well as strive in water.
Yeah, the thermometer could be our Rotom, most definitely. I already sort of have a picture of what it would look like, too. You're right, armadillos are a bit overdone in Fakedex's, heh. It was only a suggestion to help get the creative thought going. I actually had a Fire elephant designed at one point, but it never really got very far.

The water in a camel's humps is actually fat, heh. Though that's not to say the design wouldn't work. Pokemon likes playing off of stereotypes, so since camels are stereotyped as having water in their humps...we could pull it off. I'm not sure how we could make it look marine enough though. Oshawott, Totodile, Piplup, Squirtle and Mudkip all have one thing in common. They're all based off of real marine animals that are also terrestrial. Mudkip, however, is a monsterfied version of an axolotl while the rest play this "trope" straight.

Well, what can rectify a water snake or a whale is by giving it limbs that help it get around out of water, such as fins or fin-like legs. However, I appreciate your deep level of thought. Starters are the most important and trickiest part of designing a Fakedex. Since we want our three starters to not to look too similar, we should have three different people design them.


Awesome. I am welling to help anyway i can! :D

As of spriting, not very good (i'm not the worst though). But i am good with coming up with ideas for pokemon, along with locations.

Some locations for the map:
-A farm that raises miltank and other farm related pokemon (along with fakemon.) It could be the only place in the region where you can get berries from the plants. There could be a whole feild full of berry plants and areas where you can plant the berries. You could get money from a farmer if you plant the berries. Battlers could also be hidden throughout the farm.

-A Pokemon hospital filled with doctor and nurse battlers, along with hospital related Pokemon (Chancy for an example.) The 1st floor should look like an ordinary Pokemon Center, but as you go up stairs you see tons of rooms full of sick pokemon and people, as well as Doctors and Nurses. in the Pokemon Hospital, there should be a Pokemon Center, an Emergency room, isles of rooms full of sick Pokemon and people, offices, a storage room where you can find potions and healing items, and on the top floor there is a garden and park for the sick pokemon and people.

-A Trainer College. It comes from the idea of the Trainer Schools, but it is for the advanced. it should come late in the game, and you can become a student. There is a foot ball feild, laboratories, classrooms, dormitories, and Gym where you can practice battling with high leveled pokemon. there should also be a stadium where a Pokemon musical, Pokemon contest, or an entire new spin off of those two thing are held.

-A swamp. simple as that. swamp related pokemon could be found there.

As for pokemon starter ideas, here are mine:
Grass starter: A duck, witch evolves into a goose, which then evolves into a part flying Swan pokemon.

Fire starter: A snake, which evolves into a rattle snake, which then evolves into a part dark type cobra pokemon.

Water Starter: A rabbit, which evolves into a part fighting type rabbit, which then evolves into a part fighting type sumo-wrestler (spelling?) rabbit pokemon.
Hold those thoughts about locations, heh. We'll come back it to it one day. You've got a lot of creativity, so please don't feel excluded. I'll add those ideas to the first post and we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

Maybe, this is just my opinion, but we should focus on the Dex before thinking about Gyms and locations and whatnot? I'm not saying we shouldn't ever get to those, but at least until we get going with ideas and sprites and make some progress, I think we should focus on the Pokemon... If we get too scattered we won't get anything done.

I very much like the Fire Snake idea though, it just needs to be a little more fleshed out. I think if we go to a Cobra we have to be careful to not just rip off Arbok. There are a lot of other cool snakes, like an Anaconda or a Viper, even. For a FakeDex I was making I had a Fire/Poison snake based off a Redbelly Snake. I also like the fighting rabbit, but the Water Starters heresofar have all been based off creatures that, to some extent, live in the water. Undecided about the Flying Grass starter.
There's a lot of different cool snakes out there, you're right. We could have a classic Poison/Ground Diamondback Rattlesnake, or a Fire/Poison asp or copperhead. I think Jaroda's based on an anaconda, but I'm not sure. Would the snake be the Fire starter? Because we'd have to be careful not to copy Snivy, and yet create an equally clever idea.

I like the rabbit myself, but I agree. I never got the appeal of giving Water types to Pokemon that don't really lend themselves to the idea conceptually, unless it's for a very specific reason. Hiyappu is one such example.

I've always wanted a Grass type mammal. I think the Grass reptile idea is really getting stale, myself.

EDIT:evolutionrex, you bring up a fine point. We could really use a two team idea like that. If you can find other people who want to design the geography, by all means. This would makes things very efficient.

evolutionrex
4th December 2010, 5:56 AM
Main bird Pokemon:
-A humming bird

Main rat Pokemon:
-An opossum

Two Main Bug Pokemon:
-A mosquito
-A fly.

Main Electric-Rodent Pokemon:
-A beaver

Main Electric Pokemon:
-A cheetah (Version 1)
-A gorilla (Version 2)

Main Rock Pokemon:
-An Opal

Extinct Pokemon:
-Tyrannosaurus Rex (Version 1)
-Spinosaurus (Version 2)

Main Dragon Pokemon:
-A castle/dragon hybrid

Egg Gift Pokemon:
-A cute generic dinosaur

Not all the ideas are exactly original, but i still their great ideas.



EDIT:evolutionrex, you bring up a fine point. We could really use a two team idea like that. If you can find other people who want to design the geography, by all means. This would makes things very efficient.
thank you for agreeing :D

I got a few people in mind. I'll start PMing them n' stuff.

FourthBeat
4th December 2010, 6:50 AM
Hmm, you're actually quite right about geography creating inspiration for Pokemon, I never really thought of it that way.

I don't think we should do a Snake as a starter by any means, since the newest generation does that. Can I also beg that we don't have a Fire/Fighting Pokemon? xD;

As for the main bird, I've attempted a hummingbird but it's difficult since you can't see its wings, but if anyone is up for the challenge I would very much approve. I also like the Dragon Castle idea, very interesting. I'm not a fan of those fossils though, they seem kind of basic (the t-rex at least, in my opinion, is so cliche).

Don't forget about Leafeon, Shaymin, Yanappu and Shekijika! We've got a few Grass mammals but I definitely think there's room for more.

I think a Pangolin would make an interesting Pokemon, maybe even a Grass type. It's kind of like the weird child of a sloth and an armadillo.

^^Yoshinichi^^
4th December 2010, 8:13 AM
Comments for these in bold.


Main bird Pokemon:
-A humming bird
Yes, yes, yes. Perhaps a ruby-throated humming-bird. I could only seeing it evolving once, though. I think we need two bird families.
Main rat Pokemon:
-An opossum
I had an opossum for a Normal/Fighting Pokemon once, though this could work as the regional rodent. We could work off the theme of playing "dead".

Two Main Bug Pokemon:
-A mosquito Bug/Dark, perhaps?
-A fly. Bug/Poison, because they like swarming around dead things and poop.

Main Electric-Rodent Pokemon:
-A beaver I actually had this idea once, though somebody else is free to sprite it.

Main Electric Pokemon:
-A cheetah (Version 1)
-A gorilla (Version 2)

Main Rock Pokemon:
-An Opal
I would personally like a stalactite Pokemon, but an opal would work well too.

Extinct Pokemon:
-Tyrannosaurus Rex (Version 1)
-Spinosaurus (Version 2)
Eh....as much as I love dinosaurs, I think we should go an Ice Age route. I'd like to see a Rock/Ice wooly rhino and a Rock/Grass giant ground sloth.


Main Dragon Pokemon:
-A castle/dragon hybrid
Please, do expand on this. Would it be Dragon/Rock?
Egg Gift Pokemon:
-A cute generic dinosaur

Not all the ideas are exactly original, but i still their great ideas.


thank you for agreeing :D

I got a few people in mind. I'll start PMing them n' stuff.
Glad to hear it. Comments in bold.

Hmm, you're actually quite right about geography creating inspiration for Pokemon, I never really thought of it that way.

I don't think we should do a Snake as a starter by any means, since the newest generation does that. Can I also beg that we don't have a Fire/Fighting Pokemon? xD;

As for the main bird, I've attempted a hummingbird but it's difficult since you can't see its wings, but if anyone is up for the challenge I would very much approve. I also like the Dragon Castle idea, very interesting. I'm not a fan of those fossils though, they seem kind of basic (the t-rex at least, in my opinion, is so cliche).

Don't forget about Leafeon, Shaymin, Yanappu and Shekijika! We've got a few Grass mammals but I definitely think there's room for more.

I think a Pangolin would make an interesting Pokemon, maybe even a Grass type. It's kind of like the weird child of a sloth and an armadillo.
Yeah, Fire/Fighting is a definite no-no. Since we have tons of cool ideas now, people are free to start designing sprites or picking ideas that they want to make a reality. In fact, I might start spriting one soon myself, just as an example.

Well, you can see a hummingbirds wings if you find the right picture. (http://www.animalwebguide.com/Hummingbird-4.jpg) They're very ornate and unique.

Sandslash is a pangolin, though it wouldn't hurt to have another. We could design it so looks similar to a pinecone, so people could tell right off the bat it's a grass type. ;P

CaptainCombusken
4th December 2010, 12:23 PM
Lol, the whole Fire Elephant thing... I have that sprite already made, I'm kinda working on a region with it now... It ends in what is possibly my most clever design...

Anyway, moving on. The starter ideas were mainly for the SECONDARY types. So for example, a Fire/Ice starter, a Water/Fighting and a Grass/Flying. FOR EXAMPLE. I always go with the traditional types when I think of designs.

I have got some good fossil ideas. One is very similar to yours, Yoshinichi.
Fossils
- Sabre Toothed Tiger line. I love Tigers, I don't think they've had a good enough representation. Purugly and Arcanine are the closest we've had. And one is a Dog, the other hasn't even got Tiger stripes and is far too fat. So I would love a good strong, sleek Sabre toothed tiger line, Fire/Rock.
- My other idea was an Electric/Rock Velociraptor line, but if we're going for Ice Age then something else Electric/Rock maybe? Or the Giant Ground Sloth you've suggested.
- The Ice/Rock Wholly Rhino. He's a Standalone, because these creatures were naturally quite lonely anyway. So He's similar to Aerodactyl. We haven't had a Standalone "third" fossil since Gen 1.

My ideas for the "base" Pokemon
Rodent- A Guinea pig. Not been done before, easy design, goes from a Chubby Fat Guinea Pig to a Guinea pig on two legs.

Bird- Peregrine Falcons. I want to break with tradition here and make the only type that has not been paired with Flying to be paired with it; Fighting. Normal/Flying for the base Pokemon then Fighting/Flying for the two evolutions. I would like the final evo to be based off a count or knight, and be wearing royal type clothing or royal patterns such as a Cape, or other things.

Pikaclone- I really don't want one. I don't see the point in them. Instead, I think we should include every one of them to date, and each one that had yet to receive one. That's Minun, Plusle, Pachirisu and Emonga. I already have the general ideas for them too.

Main bugs:
Fire/Bug line of Scorpions.
Water/Bug line of Snails.

Dragon:
Dragon/Fighting line. Based on the martial art of Kendo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendo). Also, cause "Kendragon" is such an awesome name.

Main electric-
Water/Electric of a Cola line. Goes from straw to a more ornate straw to a cup of Cola.

Spherical Ice
4th December 2010, 12:47 PM
Re: Fire/Ice thermometer, I suggest it should be a Christmas Cactus (http://madisononthecheap.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Christmas-Cactus.jpg) with a diddy thermometer on it's forehead. I'd suggest it being similar to an ordinary cactus stuck in the ground, with a few red sprouts (seen in the picture), and one could represent heat, the other cold. Anyway, I hope this project goes well. <:

evolutionrex
4th December 2010, 9:57 PM
Yes, yes, yes. Perhaps a ruby-throated humming-bird. I could only seeing it evolving once, though. I think we need two bird families.
Yeah, i was thinking of having just one evolution too. Two bird families would be a little different. Maybe a turkey?

I had an opossum for a Normal/Fighting Pokemon once, though this could work as the regional rodent. We could work off the theme of playing "dead".
Maye a fake move that it could learn that is called "play dead" or something.

Bug/Dark, perhaps?
It could be able to learn bite, so yeah that could work.

Bug/Poison, because they like swarming around dead things and poop.
I think it should be bug/flying, becuase it's you know, a fly :P

I would personally like a stalactite Pokemon, but an opal would work well too.
That is a better idea than mine. I would prefer a stalactite more, becuase it's not only a good idea but it should be easy to sprite.

Eh....as much as I love dinosaurs, I think we should go an Ice Age route. I'd like to see a Rock/Ice wooly rhino and a Rock/Grass giant ground sloth.
Those are good ideas too.

Please, do expand on this. Would it be Dragon/Rock?

The type, I'm not so sure about but the idea is a dragon that has designs and features of a castle, like a castle on it's back or a brick design with a castle like crown on it's head.

I would also like to elaborate my Cheetah and Gorilla electric types. They are version differences. The cheetah is based of of lightening and the Gorilla is based off of thunder.

-Raiga-
4th December 2010, 11:10 PM
Well, actually, it isn't. I want this to have a lot more creative process behind it, so we can actually make a quality fakedex that involves real work. Did you read carefully? I'm not trying to be rude, but if you did, you'd notice there is actually rules for this thing. And yes, I did make half of these rules up on the spot.

1. Each person's responsible for their own design, meaning you cannot modify another person's design without their permission.
2. As this is a sprite thread, criticism is inevitable and it's expected you handle it maturely.
3. This is not a chat thread.
4.Since we want to be original, we can only have so many Fakemon based on certain animals. We can't have too many canines, for example.
5. As I said before, I will not accept verbal put-downs of ideas. We obviously can't use every idea, so rather than rejecting them, we should decide what's best for our region.
6. No new types. New types are always really lame and it's hard to define how to classify a Fakemon as a type that we know nothing about.

One or two of these is specifically mentioned in the first post, and believe me, since I was expecting this type of response I've read through it 2-3 times already. And if you had it in this format that would be one thing, but having it surrounded by "lets be a group and make a great dex" doesn't help the cause.


I don't really see how I'm being cheesy for having a giant "pep talk",

"It is meant for us to all gather together"
"It will, however, help bring us all together."
"We're all going to get together"
"We need to feel like a team"
"don't feel bad"

If I'm being honest, its a freaking spriting community. Were not going to war or part of some kids club, you do a sprite and go.


because I'm really just explaining how real design teams usually work and how the process of thought and creation would go. It's best we design Pokemon ideas together, but relegate the different ideas based on our areas of expertise. So somebody who's awesome at making cute fakemon could design some of those, whereas somebody that does "wacky" ones could design those kind. I'm shooting for at least a few Fakemon designed by everyone. And yes, I know I'll have to be lenient with the rules. If somebody just wants to submit any old sprite, they can as long as they actually put effort into describing what it is, the rhyme or reason, and improve the design if people think it needs work.

Well, as much as I could disagree with much of this, I don't really have to. The fact it has 20 posts with not one single sprite says it all. I could have done this in mine, but discussion was the main thing I had to compromise on with zephyr flare, perhaps sweet may was a bit more forgiving.

Its actually ironic the main people I closed the previous thread for are saying how great this is because they can just post ideas and leave. However I will edit this post with a sprite in a bit, so maybe people will actually do something.

evolutionrex
4th December 2010, 11:16 PM
I'm working on some sprites and i've been trying to get some spriters to help also.

Right now, i'm working on the duck grass starter. I'm not that good at spriting, but i'm working on them becuase no one else has really done it.

I do understand what -Raiga- is saying, so i think this should go into a serebii club or something.

FourthBeat
4th December 2010, 11:16 PM
I like the Thunder/Lighting alternatives :3 I think we can get a little more original than a Fly, honestly, though. It's kind of basic. There are lots of cool bugs out there. I really like the idea of the Bug/Fire Scorpion and Bug/Water Snail. Those could even be "version exclusives" or whatever. :3

Re: -Raiga- : I think what Yoshinichii was getting at was to make this a community project. The "Community" Region that you made seemed very selfish and self-oriented. Everyone kind of just threw in whatever they had and didn't seem to care what other people thought or contributed; it was all very individual. This being a large discussion thread and a group effort is essentially the idea, to bring back activity and discussion and life to the forum. I dunno, I say if you don't support the project, simply don't be part of it, don't bother bringing it down?

Re: Thermometer Cactus Idea : If we make it a cactus, then it seems like it should be a Grass type, so I'm kind of against that. I like it as the Porygon/Rotom/Castform of the region.

Idea for the "event" legendary (ie Mew/Celebii/Jirachi/Shaymin/Victini), perhaps a cute little Phoenix? Appropriate for the thread x3 If everyone likes it, I'd be happy to start a rough draft on it.

Since everyone is going all "D: Why aren't there any sprites posted yet!?" I'm going to just show this.
http://www.iaza.com/work/101117C/iaza19433996641700.gif
That's my Fire/Poison snake Pokemon (its shiny version technically but regardless). If you guys want, I can start working on the Fire/Dark snake, I've got some experience with fiery snakes x3

evolutionrex
4th December 2010, 11:29 PM
Idea for the "event" legendary (ie Mew/Celebii/Jirachi/Shaymin/Victini), perhaps a cute little Phoenix? Appropriate for the thread x3 If everyone likes it, I'd be happy to start a rough draft on it.
That's exactly what I've been thinking.


Since everyone is going all "D: Why aren't there any sprites posted yet!?" I'm going to just show this.
http://www.iaza.com/work/101117C/iaza19433996641700.gif
That's my Fire/Poison snake Pokemon (its shiny version technically but regardless). If you guys want, I can start working on the Fire/Dark snake, I've got some experience with fiery snakes x3
that's awesome:D Maybe once I'm finished with my sprites you could edit them and make them better? I have trouble shading and working with the outlines.

So is the fire snake starter confirmed then?

FourthBeat
4th December 2010, 11:37 PM
I'm glad you like it! (: I'd be happy to help you out with outlines and shading and whatever else. I'd happily start working on them once we get them decided for sure. I'm kind of against it as a starter since we just had Snivy... But I don't mind one way or another.

And I'm glad we both thought of the Phoenix! Fire/Flying, obviously?

evolutionrex
4th December 2010, 11:46 PM
And I'm glad we both thought of the Phoenix! Fire/Flying, obviously?
yeah, but we got to can't make it look to much like Ho-oh or Moltres.

FourthBeat
5th December 2010, 12:06 AM
That's a given. I was thinking it could be more cutesy like Mew/Celebi/etc.

I did a super super super quick little sketch of what I had in mind for the Phoenix:
http://www.iaza.com/work/101205C/iaza19433913289400.png

evolutionrex
5th December 2010, 12:34 AM
that looks cool already!

I'm going to work on the map of the region. Just sort of a rough draft of it. you guys can give your opinions and stuff.

Epwna is a Sceptile
5th December 2010, 12:39 AM
Ok, I have a sprite for Snall(Snow+Ball).

http://www.iaza.com/work/101205C/iaza16041294101700.gif
Anyone can fix it up if they want. Also, I want someon else to design the Khizzard line. Here's a concept, while I'm in the mood.

Flying/Normal line:
1. Freyass(eyass+frey),evolves into Fiercel(Tiercel+Fierce), than into Peregaunt(Peregrine+Gauntlet) I've had these concepts for a while.

FourthBeat
5th December 2010, 12:56 AM
Snall is kind of ... lacklustre. It's like someone forgot to paint Voltorb red! D: I think maybe it's just too simple to really work as a Pokemon?

evolutionrex
5th December 2010, 1:13 AM
maybe if you made it a littlr more lumpy and imperfect, like a snowball is suppose to be, yet still have a design it could work. Maybe make it flat on the bottom so it can move sort of like a slug.

-Raiga-
5th December 2010, 1:52 AM
Re: -Raiga- : I think what Yoshinichii was getting at was to make this a community project. The "Community" Region that you made seemed very selfish and self-oriented. Everyone kind of just threw in whatever they had and didn't seem to care what other people thought or contributed; it was all very individual. This being a large discussion thread and a group effort is essentially the idea, to bring back activity and discussion and life to the forum. I dunno, I say if you don't support the project, simply don't be part of it, don't bother bringing it down?

Bringing it down, and criticism are two different things. While I admit some things could have been handeled better, I don't ever think I should have to act as nice as I even did, much less give "pep talks" to make everyone feel like a family. I had everything set up very easy, you make a sprite if you want, and contribute. In that regard, it seemingly succeed at that more than this one will, with over 100 posts with 80 sprites in only 3 days.

For one thing, I already mentioned I couldn't have as much discussion as we even had in the thread when I got it approved, so don't blame me for that.

And secondly, and simply, the only reason I criticizing it in the first place is that I can see from a mile away it won't succeed at its real goal. As I said, we would have completed what this thead is trying to do 3 times over already if I kept it open, but the fan sprites section didn't improve then, and it won't now in my opinion.

evolutionrex
5th December 2010, 2:11 AM
here is a rough draft of the map:

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/evolution_rex/PPMap.png?t=1291511277

This is just a rough draft, i have no names for anything yet. I just wanted to hear everyone's opinion on the design of the island, and see if it gives you any ideas. I made a swamp, a cave, a large city with a pokemon hospital, a farm, a swamp, but i didn't label them yet.

-Raiga-
5th December 2010, 2:24 AM
here is a rough draft of the map:

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/evolution_rex/PPMap.png?t=1291511277

This is just a rough draft, i have no names for anything yet. I just wanted to hear everyone's opinion on the design of the island, and see if it gives you any ideas. I made a swamp, a cave, a large city with a pokemon hospital, a farm, a swamp, but i didn't label them yet.

Honestly I think the concept of islands has been done to death already in too many fan games. I think Fr/lg handled best when they just had a collection of island that weren't connect the the map at all.

Also I'd try and avoid making them with unique shapes like the snake-like one in the middle. It might seem like a good idea at first, but it gets old quick, and honestly I remember the odd shapes of the real pokemon game's maps more than say something shaped like the legendary of the game.

Lastly, just keep in mind I think it would make more sense to make the pokemon first intstead of making the maps. Since when you have the map right away, you'll feel kind of confined to doing pokemon that only fit say a hospital, swamp, or cave, as opposed to any type of pokemon.

^^Yoshinichi^^
5th December 2010, 3:55 AM
Massive reply time.



One or two of these is specifically mentioned in the first post, and believe me, since I was expecting this type of response I've read through it 2-3 times already. And if you had it in this format that would be one thing, but having it surrounded by "lets be a group and make a great dex" doesn't help the cause.



"It is meant for us to all gather together"
"It will, however, help bring us all together."
"We're all going to get together"
"We need to feel like a team"
"don't feel bad"

If I'm being honest, its a freaking spriting community. Were not going to war or part of some kids club, you do a sprite and go.



Well, as much as I could disagree with much of this, I don't really have to. The fact it has 20 posts with not one single sprite says it all. I could have done this in mine, but discussion was the main thing I had to compromise on with zephyr flare, perhaps sweet may was a bit more forgiving.

Its actually ironic the main people I closed the previous thread for are saying how great this is because they can just post ideas and leave. However I will edit this post with a sprite in a bit, so maybe people will actually do something.

Part of creating a great sprite is the creative process. In a group-centric project, you've got to work out the idea with everybody else, so they can help point out the flaws or give you suggestions for how to design it. I didn't want people to worry about immediately posting sprites because I wanted us to get used to the creative process before spriting something.

I'm working on some sprites and i've been trying to get some spriters to help also.

Right now, i'm working on the duck grass starter. I'm not that good at spriting, but i'm working on them becuase no one else has really done it.

I do understand what -Raiga- is saying, so i think this should go into a serebii club or something.
Well, we're not sure on the starters yet, so I wouldn't shade the sprite or anything. Heh. But by all means, sprite it so you can show us what it'd look like.

I like the Thunder/Lighting alternatives :3 I think we can get a little more original than a Fly, honestly, though. It's kind of basic. There are lots of cool bugs out there. I really like the idea of the Bug/Fire Scorpion and Bug/Water Snail. Those could even be "version exclusives" or whatever. :3

Thunder/Lightning opposites really do seem cool. Is anybody up for designing these guys? You have a point about the Fly, though. There's tons of marine bugs we could use, interesting moths and butterflies, and many different unique beetles.
Re: -Raiga- : I think what Yoshinichii was getting at was to make this a community project. The "Community" Region that you made seemed very selfish and self-oriented. Everyone kind of just threw in whatever they had and didn't seem to care what other people thought or contributed; it was all very individual. This being a large discussion thread and a group effort is essentially the idea, to bring back activity and discussion and life to the forum. I dunno, I say if you don't support the project, simply don't be part of it, don't bother bringing it down?

This is exactly what I'm trying to do. Get this place a bit more active by taking things in a different approach. By encouraging discussion and brainstorming, I think it lends itself to a project with a lot more interaction, rather than making us seem like solitary spriters who coincidentally are in the same project.

Re: Thermometer Cactus Idea : If we make it a cactus, then it seems like it should be a Grass type, so I'm kind of against that. I like it as the Porygon/Rotom/Castform of the region.

I agree, though I think we should have a Christmas Cactus Pokemon, especially if we have a desert. Grass/Ground, please!

Idea for the "event" legendary (ie Mew/Celebii/Jirachi/Shaymin/Victini), perhaps a cute little Phoenix? Appropriate for the thread x3 If everyone likes it, I'd be happy to start a rough draft on it.

Well, that would be pretty nifty, even though it was obviously just a metaphor. xP We could have the phoenix and a little pixie thing, ala Shaymin and Manaphy.

Since everyone is going all "D: Why aren't there any sprites posted yet!?" I'm going to just show this.
http://www.iaza.com/work/101117C/iaza19433996641700.gif
That's my Fire/Poison snake Pokemon (its shiny version technically but regardless). If you guys want, I can start working on the Fire/Dark snake, I've got some experience with fiery snakes x3
Well, I'm a bit confused. Is the Fire/Poison just an example? Either way, a Fire/Dark snake would be lovely. Maybe we could make it a standalone Pokemon like Torkoal and Kuitaran.


I'm glad you like it! (: I'd be happy to help you out with outlines and shading and whatever else. I'd happily start working on them once we get them decided for sure. I'm kind of against it as a starter since we just had Snivy... But I don't mind one way or another.

And I'm glad we both thought of the Phoenix! Fire/Flying, obviously?
Well, I'm a bit worried that Fire/Flying is a commonly used type, but hey. I said myself to disregard past Pokemon in terms of concepts, just like Game Freak did for B/W.

yeah, but we got to can't make it look to much like Ho-oh or Moltres.


That's a given. I was thinking it could be more cutesy like Mew/Celebi/etc.

I did a super super super quick little sketch of what I had in mind for the Phoenix:
http://www.iaza.com/work/101205C/iaza19433913289400.png
Looking cute so far! Though personally I think it should have a different sort of eyes, you know? I'll edit the first post with a reference of Pokemon eyes.
Comments in bold due to huge post. xP


Ok, I have a sprite for Snall(Snow+Ball).

http://www.iaza.com/work/101205C/iaza16041294101700.gif
Anyone can fix it up if they want. Also, I want someon else to design the Khizzard line. Here's a concept, while I'm in the mood.
Snall looks kind of generic. : P I'd look around at some other snow-based Fakemon for inspiration, or possibly those Ice Cream Pokemon. Try to make the viewer feel chilly, yet whimsical.
Flying/Normal line:
1. Freyass(eyass+frey),evolves into Fiercel(Tiercel+Fierce), than into Peregaunt(Peregrine+Gauntlet) I've had these concepts for a while.
These sound really cool. They could be the second Normal/Flying for our region. If you have any drawing or spriting skill whatsoever, would you be able to sketch up a rough draft?


Bringing it down, and criticism are two different things. While I admit some things could have been handeled better, I don't ever think I should have to act as nice as I even did, much less give "pep talks" to make everyone feel like a family. I had everything set up very easy, you make a sprite if you want, and contribute. In that regard, it seemingly succeed at that more than this one will, with over 100 posts with 80 sprites in only 3 days.

For one thing, I already mentioned I couldn't have as much discussion as we even had in the thread when I got it approved, so don't blame me for that.

And secondly, and simply, the only reason I criticizing it in the first place is that I can see from a mile away it won't succeed at its real goal. As I said, we would have completed what this thead is trying to do 3 times over already if I kept it open, but the fan sprites section didn't improve then, and it won't now in my opinion.
Thing is, none of those sprites were made specifically for the project. This isn't about getting X amount of sprites done in a certain amount of time. Good things take time. We're not Game Freak. I know that. It seems more like you're trying to discourage us from doing things this way than anything else. I personally think the way we're going at is fine. Rome wasn't built in a day. Thank you for your criticism, but this is something I can handle and take responsibility for. If enough spriters want to do it a different way, then things might be reconsidered.

here is a rough draft of the map:

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/evolution_rex/PPMap.png?t=1291511277

This is just a rough draft, i have no names for anything yet. I just wanted to hear everyone's opinion on the design of the island, and see if it gives you any ideas. I made a swamp, a cave, a large city with a pokemon hospital, a farm, a swamp, but i didn't label them yet.
Heh. I don't think you should of designed a map just yet. We haven't talked about what to do for the region, let alone what shape would it be. Raiga is right, the shape doesn't seem very natural. Almost like it was contrived, if you will. A naturally occurring region would be very jagged-shaped and irregular. Let's focus on the smaller geographical features, like types of towns.

Would you be able to tell me if you know anyone else who's interested in this project?

-Raiga-
5th December 2010, 4:58 AM
Thing is, none of those sprites were made specifically for the project.

...5 of the 46 pokemon sprites weren't original. I know I myself make it out to be a larger amount, but thats more me talking about the originality of them.


This isn't about getting X amount of sprites done in a certain amount of time. Good things take time. We're not Game Freak. I know that. It seems more like you're trying to discourage us from doing things this way than anything else. I personally think the way we're going at is fine. Rome wasn't built in a day. Thank you for your criticism, but this is something I can handle and take responsibility for. If enough spriters want to do it a different way, then things might be reconsidered.

As I mentioned before, I wish you the best of luck and you're doing a perfectly fine job running things, I just feel considering your goal you're not making any sense whatsoever.

You say this is going to revitalise the forum, well considering virtually everything about it is centered around being a TIGHT nit community, you won't be attracting anyone to the actual forum itself.

Secondly, its supposed to be the best fakedex ever, despite there not really being ANY amazing spriter on the board anymore. Someone like LSA, WPS, or klnothincomin could probably outclass then entirety of all the sprites people contribute to project by themselves. If I'm being strictly honest and not holding anything back, yeah there is no timeline(much the same as mine although you seem to think otherwise), but it'd take years of WORK(not fun) to reach that level.

Believe me when I say I'm not trying to demean the project, or "your way of doing things", I'm just simply saying I've done the exact same thing and have it fail(at its real goal that is), and you haven't really shown, at least to me, how any of the changes are going to make it succeed. And even once you take my annoying posts away, your still going to have to reply to walls of text, all the time, and it does get frustrating.

^^Yoshinichi^^
5th December 2010, 5:16 AM
...5 of the 46 pokemon sprites weren't original. I know I myself make it out to be a larger amount, but thats more me talking about the originality of them.



As I mentioned before, I wish you the best of luck and you're doing a perfectly fine job running things, I just feel considering your goal you're not making any sense whatsoever.

You say this is going to revitalise the forum, well considering virtually everything about it is centered around being a TIGHT nit community, you won't be attracting anyone to the actual forum itself.

Secondly, its supposed to be the best fakedex ever, despite there not really being ANY amazing spriter on the board anymore. Someone like LSA, WPS, or klnothincomin could probably outclass then entirety of all the sprites people contribute to project by themselves. If I'm being strictly honest and not holding anything back, yeah there is no timeline(much the same as mine although you seem to think otherwise), but it'd take years of WORK(not fun) to reach that level.

Believe me when I say I'm not trying to demean the project, or "your way of doing things", I'm just simply saying I've done the exact same thing and have it fail(at its real goal that is), and you haven't really shown, at least to me, how any of the changes are going to make it succeed. And even once you take my annoying posts away, your still going to have to reply to walls of text, all the time, and it does get frustrating.
Well, I'm all for trying to advertise this project to other forums with good spriters, but the only one I know of is C-Spriting, which is currently dead. If you know any other forums, please let me know. I want our sprites to be good quality with amazing designs. The best Fakedex ever thing was really just hyperbole. I'm trying to encourage people to use their creativity as best they can. I realize that a lot of our good spriters have left, but think of it as a way for less experienced spriters to develop. I've been spriting and designing Fakemon for years, and although I've yet to win a WSC, I think my Fakemon and spriting skills are decent. It takes hard work to make a Fakedex, you're right. Thing is though, by working hard on something together, we inadvertently have fun while doing it. Heh.

Here's a rough-draft of the Chow-chow Pokemon. It's very generic right now, which is why I'd like somebody to suggest how I could make it look a lot more unique and like a Pokemon.

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/MrSchlapor/cowcow.png

FourthBeat
5th December 2010, 6:37 AM
I think this ongoing conversation about what the project is and isn't is really just a waste of time. If it succeeds, it succeeds. If not, it doesn't. That doesn't mean we can't have fun, brainstorm, and enjoy it while it lasts.

I can advertise the project on Neoseeker. I'm kind of a head-honcho of spriting over there x3

For the Chow-chow, I like it so far! My biggest criticism is the fact that it looks completely to the side, and very few Pokemon sprites are directly profile. Regardless, maybe adding some stripes or whatever like on the tail could work. Poochyena has little "boots", which could be an easy fix. I really like that it's a "domesticated" kind of snooty dog. We've mostly had those from cats (Persian, Skitty, Glameow for example).

The eye was definitely not finished for the Phoenix xD; Just had to get something there. I think it'll have Ponyta style eyes, which I was too lazy to do in the quick sprite. x3 I'll work on it though!

And yeah, the Fire/Poison snake was just an example. I can work on a standalone Fire/Dark snake :3

Innocent Bystander
5th December 2010, 6:42 AM
Here's a rough-draft of the Chow-chow Pokemon. It's very generic right now, which is why I'd like somebody to suggest how I could make it look a lot more unique and like a Pokemon.http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/MrSchlapor/cowcow.png


I would suggest a pattern, maybe some different coloured patches of fluff?

Oh yeah, we need a narwhal fakemon. I'm not the best with concepts, so I'll leave it at that.

^^Yoshinichi^^
5th December 2010, 6:58 AM
I think this ongoing conversation about what the project is and isn't is really just a waste of time. If it succeeds, it succeeds. If not, it doesn't. That doesn't mean we can't have fun, brainstorm, and enjoy it while it lasts.

I can advertise the project on Neoseeker. I'm kind of a head-honcho of spriting over there x3

For the Chow-chow, I like it so far! My biggest criticism is the fact that it looks completely to the side, and very few Pokemon sprites are directly profile. Regardless, maybe adding some stripes or whatever like on the tail could work. Poochyena has little "boots", which could be an easy fix. I really like that it's a "domesticated" kind of snooty dog. We've mostly had those from cats (Persian, Skitty, Glameow for example).

The eye was definitely not finished for the Phoenix xD; Just had to get something there. I think it'll have Ponyta style eyes, which I was too lazy to do in the quick sprite. x3 I'll work on it though!

And yeah, the Fire/Poison snake was just an example. I can work on a standalone Fire/Dark snake :3
Yeah, my sprites tend to end up like that. The pose is way too boring right now. ;P I'm not sure what type it should be. It seems like it'd be a Normal type, but I think Rock type would be really cool. I think those are all great suggestions for improve its design, though. Is there anything I could do to make it look more like a Chow-chow? I know they have really wrinkly faces and fluffy bodies, so I'm trying to capitalize on that. I may give it "slit" eyes like Cyndaquil, since it's wrinkly.


I would suggest a pattern, maybe some different coloured patches of fluff?

Oh yeah, we need a narwhal fakemon. I'm not the best with concepts, so I'll leave it at that.
Definitely. A narwhal would be amazing. Maybe it would be Water/Steel, with a metal tooth? Or perhaps Ice/Steel, like how in Unova, some water-dwelling Pokemon aren't Water type. Who would be up for designing it?

FourthBeat
5th December 2010, 7:10 AM
I think it could be an interesting opportunity for a type combination. Its horn could be made of ice, it could be a bolt of lighting, it could be a drill. Narwhals are awesome.

EDIT: Ice/Steel would be an awesome combination if you ask me :3 As for the wrinkliness, you can really show that with shading moreso than just design. I think it looks mostly Normal but it could be anything if you recolour and add a few features, really.

Phoenix update. Colours subject to change. Thoughts?
http://www.iaza.com/work/101205C/iaza19433928811200.png

^^Yoshinichi^^
5th December 2010, 7:31 AM
Most definitely. I could see it as either a 2-stager or another standalone. Ice/Steel would be a unique type-combo, too. It'd have great HP and Attack, and pretty good Defense. Hopefully, it would have an Ability like Thick Fat to protect it from Fire type moves. Maybe a new one called Blubber, which would weaken Fighting, Fire and Ice moves.

I like how the Phoenix is coming along. Do I smell a mascot? I think it'd be cool if it had blue flames, but that's just me. I think the beak could be a bit more rounded at the bridge, but then again, Lotad has a beak like that too. Do as you will. :P

FourthBeat
5th December 2010, 7:45 AM
Ooh, I love the blue flames idea. I think the tail will be blue flames, but not like Moltres. More like a whispy fire thing. Like the tails I had above. Do you guys like the purple/pink combo? I'm undecided. With blue flames it might be too much with that colour scheme, but I love the idea of blue flames, it seems more mystical. I haven't started working on the beak at all, to be honest. Also, since you got me thinking about abilities, I think Serene Grace seems obvious. Maybe we could come up with something new for it to play off the phoenix myth. Like if it faints in battle, but you don't white out and return to the Pokemon Center, it regenerates and has 1 HP. Since they are reborn from ashes, when it is defeated, it can return to life. Or something?

Thick Fat would be a perfect ability for the Narwhal, same with Blubber. I'm not a big fan of standalones, they seem to be generally going in the direction of eliminating the standalones for the most part. Until the 5th gen, at least.

Phoenix update:
http://www.iaza.com/work/101205C/iaza19433974922700.png

EDIT:
Worked on the beak, tail, and edited the wings.
http://www.iaza.com/work/101205C/iaza19433987006400.png

^^Yoshinichi^^
5th December 2010, 8:10 AM
Wow, that tail looks amazing! Glad to see it's all coming together. I like how the wings have a visible shimmer to it...it definitely adds to the mystical nature. Do we have a name for it yet? Serene Grace would be a perfect ability for the little chick. There's a 5th gen Ability named Regeneration that heals the Pokemon a little when it's switched out, but I think we could come up with a special ability for it that does what your idea is. Maybe we could call it Mystic Fire or something. Heh.

Glad you like my Blubber ability. I'm thinking of an Ice/Steel two-stage line myself for the Narwhal, I could definitely try to sprite the baby tomorrow.

Also, we need a cute mascot akin to Pikachu and Chillarmy. An adorable one that isn't legendary, but one of the Pokemon we'll use for advertising on forums.

Innocent Bystander
5th December 2010, 8:12 AM
Definitely. A narwhal would be amazing. Maybe it would be Water/Steel, with a metal tooth? Or perhaps Ice/Steel, like how in Unova, some water-dwelling Pokemon aren't Water type. Who would be up for designing it?

I might have a go too, if that's okay.

FourthBeat
5th December 2010, 8:20 AM
Glad you like the tail, it really only took a few minutes. Once you get decent at spriting fire, it doesn't take long at all ^^

Looking forward to the baby narwhal :3

http://www.iaza.com/work/101205C/iaza19433959258200.png
I think it's done?

EDIT:
http://www.iaza.com/work/101205C/iaza19433972721700.png
A few little fixes :3

http://www.iaza.com/work/101205C/iaza19433958570100.gif
Transparent! : D

^^Yoshinichi^^
5th December 2010, 8:29 AM
Glad you like the tail, it really only took a few minutes. Once you get decent at spriting fire, it doesn't take long at all ^^

Looking forward to the baby narwhal :3

http://www.iaza.com/work/101205C/iaza19433959258200.png
I think it's done?

Well, I've been spriting for over 5 years, and I'm still not that good at spriting Fire. ;P I could recolour him for you so we have a shiny sprite, if you'd like. What colours should he be?

I'm trying to think of what kind of inanimate objects we could have for Pokemon. They've made baloons, candles, garbage bags, fridges, moai statues, the Nasca lines...with a good imagination, I think anything not too ridiculous can be made a Pokemon. How about a Steel/Flying blimp? I'm trying to think of a Pokemon that would be found in an ancient ruin, too.

Innocent Bystander
5th December 2010, 8:34 AM
I'm trying to think of a Pokemon that would be found in an ancient ruin, too.

Some sort of tablet? Something based on a ghost king/queen? Yeah, I've been spriting for three years and I can seem to get fire right.

FourthBeat
5th December 2010, 8:41 AM
I've been spriting since January '06 so I'm inching up on 5 years. It really was a matter of just sitting down and spriting fire for like 3 hours until I got it x3; As for a shiny, I'm up for anything! Use the transparent one, there's a few little fixes with the outline in that one. :3

I do like the blimp a lot. A garbage can could work too, Steel/Poison.

^^Yoshinichi^^
5th December 2010, 9:15 AM
I've been spriting since January '06 so I'm inching up on 5 years. It really was a matter of just sitting down and spriting fire for like 3 hours until I got it x3; As for a shiny, I'm up for anything! Use the transparent one, there's a few little fixes with the outline in that one. :3

I do like the blimp a lot. A garbage can could work too, Steel/Poison.

Unfortunately, I tried saving the sprite but I got this black background I can't get rid of, since it's a GIF. So if I try to get rid of it, it gets rid of some of the outline. Is there a way you can get rid of the transparency so I can recolour it? ^^; We should figure out a name for him soon, too.

I'm not sure if a Garbage Can would work. What would it look like, conceptually. A natural-looking garbage can or something like Yabakuron?

I actually have a Rock/Ghost concept drawn up for a Pokemon based on the Nurikabe. The first stage looks similar to a grave stone with large hands, and its evolution is an angry stone wall creature with giant stone hands. It drags itself with its hands to walk, and it can fall on its opponent like a Thwomp from the Mario games.

FourthBeat
5th December 2010, 9:29 AM
Thwomp is love. : D

Sorry about that Dx
http://www.iaza.com/work/101205C/iaza19433925524500.png
Yaaay ugly green background

As for the garbage can, I dunno really. It just seemed like an interesting type combo xD I'm up for anyone to take over it if they come up with any inspiration. I don't have any for it.

I think we should use the "nix" ending for whatever we name the Phoenix.

CaptainCombusken
5th December 2010, 12:16 PM
I have a couple of sprites I'd like to stick here. These have literally just been made. The first is the Narwhal, with no colours, just the lineart. The second is an idea for a Fire Starter that will end up Fire/Steel. It's based off a Ram.

Narwice
http://www.iaza.com/work/101205C/iaza13054858893000.gif
Just a base lineart for you to do what you wish with it.

Ramburn
http://www.iaza.com/work/101205C/iaza13054892370800.gif
The colours aren't very clear, I know, and I can't shade for toffee. So if someone wants to do that, please, be my guest.

Some ideas: These were designed for my other current project, but firstly, that seems to be really unpopular, and secondly, it is just a concept. This is Rubless. He's kind of a Geodude for the new region, but has a split evolutionary line that goes to Rock/Dark one way and Rock/Steel the other.
It goes like this: Rock Pawn---> Rock/Dark Rook ---> Rock/Dark King/Queen (Gender difference)
Rock Pawn---> Rock/Steel Knight ---> Rock/Steel Bishop.
Here is the sprite itself:
http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo66/Proby3/iaza13054844142400.gif

Spherical Ice
5th December 2010, 3:07 PM
Wait, so it's okay to make Water dwelling Pok&#233;mon not water-type but not a cactus, which has features which are more fire/ice related than anything, grass type? Okay.

Some ideas:

- A macaw who's tail always points north; used for navigation; pure flying.
- An orange marmoset with a design on it's belly similar to the RSS logo and antenna-like ears. It's based around communication. No idea for the type.
- A lilac coloured maggot with a fire design, and has a small bit of fire coming out of it's circle mouth. Fire type, obv.
- A golem styled Pok&#233;mon, however it is made of glass. It has visible pumps which contain chocolate.
- A hamster with some sort of fruit on it's back.
- A ewe with toffee or some sort of candy stuck in it's wool.

Epwna is a Sceptile
5th December 2010, 3:35 PM
Yeah, I admit snall is simple, but what could I do to it? I have no idea.

And Yoshinichi: Yeah, I can make a rough draft of the Freyass line.

Cynder
5th December 2010, 7:45 PM
I'll help out :P Well, I have a few ideas at the mo.

Firstly, I think it would be pretty cool to have an elemental trio, as in the elements of the periodic table. Most likely dragons or something along those lines, and you could use the elements that are most abundant (I think) in the atmospere, aka nitrogen, oxygen and carbon.
The carbon one would be quite hard to type, because there could be dark (because in one form carbon is lead, it's oten shown as black, and it is killing the planet as carbon dioxide), poison ('cos it's a pollutant), or even grass (because it is the main element in most life forms). Either way it would probably be black in colour because of the lead, and maybe have diamond points like spikes, and be the smallest of the trio.
The oxygen one is another one with multiple type possibilities, but mainly grass ('cos plants make oxygen) or flying (because it is a gas). It would have two heads because oxygen travels in pairs, and be the medium sized one.
With the nitrogen dragon I don't have a huge amount of ideas, apart from the fact that it's the biggest.

Also, if you still don't have the normal mammal thing done, you could do a rabbit with alternate evos. Following the eastern theme with the chow-chow, you could do a normal type rabbit that evolves into either a samurai, (normal/steel type) or a ninja (normal/dark type) thay would probably evolve differently depending on if it night or day. (Ninja at night, samurai at day)

Pretty much all I have at the minute, I'll be happy to do anything to do with spriting, and I'm pretty good at maps 'cos I did one for another region project on deviantart.

evolutionrex
5th December 2010, 11:03 PM
http://www.iaza.com/work/101205C/iaza19433958570100.gif
Transparent! : D
That looks amazing :D

I have a new idea for the Deoxys/Arceus/Genosect Pokemon. What about a pokemon that is designed to look like a question mark, that has no type? It's first move is curse. It is super effective against all other types, but all the other types are super effective toward it. Good idea?

FourthBeat
6th December 2010, 1:02 AM
Thanks! I'm glad you like it (: Just to throw out some names for the Phoenix: Mystix (Mystic+Phoenix) or Gracix (Grace+Phoenix)?

I like the idea of the chess pieces, quite a lot actually. It might be difficult to really make them Pokemon-ish, though.

I also like the Fire Ram as a starter. Do we want to go with Steel, though? It's a really overused pairing for Fire starters in FakeDexes. I like the idea of the ram though. It could lend itself really nicely to the Dark type (with rams having a temper and, you know, ramming into things) or even rock. Dream world ability for it could totally be Rock Head, focus on like physical attacks... Tackle, Double-Edge, Skull Bash, Headbutt, Flare Blitz, Flame Wheel, Head Smash, Iron Head, etc etc etc. Excuse me for my little tangent. xD

Spherical Ice - not totally sure how I feel about the food Pokemon xD; Chocolate glass golem is really ... out there. The hampster is an interesting idea. Maybe it could have some ability where its secondary type changes depending on the berry it's holding? Like if it's holding the berries that heal paralysis, burns, or poison, it becomes Electric, Fire, or Poison typed, in addition to its Normal Type, for example.

For the Snowball, I think it's just too simple. I mean, it's a round ball with no markings and a face. Too simple. Maybe it can go straight from a snowman, maybe with two snowballs, into a three-ball snowman, and then into the yeti? One ball is just too simple.

The rest of the ideas mentioned are really neither here nor there for me. No real input to be made x3;

evolutionrex
6th December 2010, 1:49 AM
Thanks! I'm glad you like it (: Just to throw out some names for the Phoenix: Mystix (Mystic+Phoenix) or Gracix (Grace+Phoenix)?
I like Mystix, it's more catchy.

I'm thinking of making a special location where you can get the Mystix (like how their is the meadow for Shaymin.) Maybe a tower of some kind? Maybe a castle? If it is a castle, that would fit into the Dragon/castle hybrid pokemon i've been thinking about. How about a place called Mystic or Grace Castle?

Also, what is going to be the name of the region?

FourthBeat
6th December 2010, 2:04 AM
I think it'd be interesting for it to be found in a burned location. Maybe a forest? After a forest fire wipes out the area, if you go there with some Key Item, it will suddenly be born of the ashes?

I'm also just offering this now, even though it's way too early to be thinking about, but trainers are my specialty so I'd love to be involved in the Gym Leaders and so on.

evolutionrex
6th December 2010, 2:20 AM
I think it'd be interesting for it to be found in a burned location. Maybe a forest? After a forest fire wipes out the area, if you go there with some Key Item, it will suddenly be born of the ashes?
Nice idea.

I'm working on a fly pokemon. I'll only do the base for it, so some one else could do the shading and stuff. I'm horrible at that.

EDIT:
I did what i could, here is the full-evolution of the fly pokemon:
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/evolution_rex/Fly.png?t=1291600027

Korobooshi Kojiro
6th December 2010, 3:54 AM
Hmm, well, I suck at spriting, but I love making Fakemon, so I have a few ideas that could work.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/Yukiwarashi/Icicko.png
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/Yukiwarashi/Mephiscool.png
Here's a family I drew up a few years ago (I suck at drawing too, lol)...Ice/Fire types, they're based off of the Maxwell Demon, a scientific principle that has to do with hot and cold existing at once or something like that. I don't exactly understand the principle, but I thought a literal Maxwell Demon would solve the Fire/Ice problem. It's also a stealth pun on "Hell Frozen Over". Basically, their ice is super cold, so cold that the fire that burns inside of their bodies does not melt the ice. It's a pretty simple concept, but I kind of like it. Of course, spiriting the reflection of the ice and the inner fire may be difficult.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/Yukiwarashi/Keyite.png
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/Yukiwarashi/Ki-tek.png
Another family I drew long ago, Flying/Electric types, based off the old Ben Franklin kite experiment. The second form is also a ki-tek (high-tech) kite that resembles a stealth plane.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/Yukiwarashi/Bomble.png
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/Yukiwarashi/Bombadour.png
Wacky Fire/Steel family, who were my idea for a "Coolness" evolution. Bomble is a young, clumsy bomb who constantly explodes, whereas Bombadour is a cannon mixed with a Japanese gangster who embodies cool, I guess. Man, I'm really embarrassed by these drawings, but this was my favorite fakemon from my old Rigia Dex.

So, there's some visual starting points if anyone wants to attempt to sprite those. I've got countless ideas I never drawn out too, but I'll leave these here since they best fit the aim of the project.

Also, I was wondering, would it be nice to have Japanese names for the Pokemon too to go for an authenticness? I don't know any Japanese that I can speak it, yet I'm pretty good at making Japanese Pokemon names up...after all, I tricked quite a few people back in the BW Pre-release with Memera, Jiant, Nezumimi, and Nenuzura. :P

Lucario9
6th December 2010, 3:55 AM
I guess I'll put forth some ideas.

Mabye we could have a legendary quartet, each one of them representing the 4 seasons. The one for summer would be found in the south and would be fire type, the winter one in the north and ice type, the spring one in the east and grass type, and the fall one in the west and I'm not sure what type it would be. Poison mabye?

I also love the location idea for the Phoenix. It's perfect.

My strong suit is recolors, so I'd be happy to make shiny versions of the sprites.

^^Yoshinichi^^
6th December 2010, 4:20 AM
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/MrSchlapor/Project%20Phoenix%20Fakedex/phenix.png
Here's the shiny sprite for Mystix. I think it came out pretty good, but you be the judge. I also sprited the Chow-chow Fakemon and the Garbage can fakemon. Both need names (and shiny sprites!)still. Anyone who's good at recolours is free to do them. ;P

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/MrSchlapor/Project%20Phoenix%20Fakedex/cowcow.png
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/MrSchlapor/Project%20Phoenix%20Fakedex/Can.png



I have a couple of sprites I'd like to stick here. These have literally just been made. The first is the Narwhal, with no colours, just the lineart. The second is an idea for a Fire Starter that will end up Fire/Steel. It's based off a Ram.

Narwice
http://www.iaza.com/work/101205C/iaza13054858893000.gif
Just a base lineart for you to do what you wish with it.

Ramburn
http://www.iaza.com/work/101205C/iaza13054892370800.gif
The colours aren't very clear, I know, and I can't shade for toffee. So if someone wants to do that, please, be my guest.

Some ideas: These were designed for my other current project, but firstly, that seems to be really unpopular, and secondly, it is just a concept. This is Rubless. He's kind of a Geodude for the new region, but has a split evolutionary line that goes to Rock/Dark one way and Rock/Steel the other.
It goes like this: Rock Pawn---> Rock/Dark Rook ---> Rock/Dark King/Queen (Gender difference)
Rock Pawn---> Rock/Steel Knight ---> Rock/Steel Bishop.
Here is the sprite itself:
http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo66/Proby3/iaza13054844142400.gif
The narwhal looks good so far. However, a narwhal has eyes on the side of its head, so you might want to fix it so that it doesn't look so awkward. Since you said it's a base lineart though, I guess it doesn't really matter since if somebody else sprites it, they'd fix the issues. However, if you want to sort of work on the lineart more, here's a reference to their shape. http://www.defenders.org/images/defenders_magazine/summer_2008/species_narwhal_sum08.jpg The only major issue I see is that it kind of looks as if it's melting.

Your idea for a goat fire starter is very interesting conceptually. I have seen a few in my day, but it's not an overused concept. I like Rubless, too. That gives us a total of three different Rock types, all from one line. I kind of have an idea with where it would go, but I'm not sure right now.


Wait, so it's okay to make Water dwelling Pokémon not water-type but not a cactus, which has features which are more fire/ice related than anything, grass type? Okay.

Some ideas:

- A macaw who's tail always points north; used for navigation; pure flying.
- An orange marmoset with a design on it's belly similar to the RSS logo and antenna-like ears. It's based around communication. No idea for the type.
- A lilac coloured maggot with a fire design, and has a small bit of fire coming out of it's circle mouth. Fire type, obv.
- A golem styled Pokémon, however it is made of glass. It has visible pumps which contain chocolate.
- A hamster with some sort of fruit on it's back.
- A ewe with toffee or some sort of candy stuck in it's wool.
By all means come up with a good concept for a Fire/Ice Christmas cactus. I mean, it could look conceptually like a Grass-type but just be a plant-mimicking Pokemon. And well, there's a Ground/Electric stargazer fish Pokemon that's found in water, despite the lack of a Water type. So go figure. :P

Not sure about the candy Pokemon, but I love the idea for the macaw and marmoset, along with the hamster. I agree with the FourthBeat's idea for the hamster Pokemon.

Yeah, I admit snall is simple, but what could I do to it? I have no idea.

And Yoshinichi: Yeah, I can make a rough draft of the Freyass line.
Well, for example, you could form feet out of additional snowballs, and perhaps give it a rock or something for the snowman nose, as well as a little puff of "snow hair". Also, I'd make the outline more rounded, because right now it looks like you used the circle tool. :P

I'll help out :P Well, I have a few ideas at the mo.

Firstly, I think it would be pretty cool to have an elemental trio, as in the elements of the periodic table. Most likely dragons or something along those lines, and you could use the elements that are most abundant (I think) in the atmospere, aka nitrogen, oxygen and carbon.
The carbon one would be quite hard to type, because there could be dark (because in one form carbon is lead, it's oten shown as black, and it is killing the planet as carbon dioxide), poison ('cos it's a pollutant), or even grass (because it is the main element in most life forms). Either way it would probably be black in colour because of the lead, and maybe have diamond points like spikes, and be the smallest of the trio.
The oxygen one is another one with multiple type possibilities, but mainly grass ('cos plants make oxygen) or flying (because it is a gas). It would have two heads because oxygen travels in pairs, and be the medium sized one.
With the nitrogen dragon I don't have a huge amount of ideas, apart from the fact that it's the biggest.

Also, if you still don't have the normal mammal thing done, you could do a rabbit with alternate evos. Following the eastern theme with the chow-chow, you could do a normal type rabbit that evolves into either a samurai, (normal/steel type) or a ninja (normal/dark type) thay would probably evolve differently depending on if it night or day. (Ninja at night, samurai at day)

Pretty much all I have at the minute, I'll be happy to do anything to do with spriting, and I'm pretty good at maps 'cos I did one for another region project on deviantart.
Do you have a scanner? Because I think it'd be really neat if you drew up the ideas you have for your dragons, because right now it's kind of hard for me to imagine what they'd be like. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing concept, but it's something I'm having trouble picturing. We'd be happy for you to join Project Phoenix to sprite a few Fakemon, too.

I'm not too sure about giving the rabbit split-evolutions if it was our Normal rodent. I can see we have a lot of concepts like that so far, and I think our Normal rodent type should evolve normally. However, the rabbit could be another Normal type in the Pokedex.

Thanks! I'm glad you like it (: Just to throw out some names for the Phoenix: Mystix (Mystic+Phoenix) or Gracix (Grace+Phoenix)?

I like the idea of the chess pieces, quite a lot actually. It might be difficult to really make them Pokemon-ish, though.

I also like the Fire Ram as a starter. Do we want to go with Steel, though? It's a really overused pairing for Fire starters in FakeDexes. I like the idea of the ram though. It could lend itself really nicely to the Dark type (with rams having a temper and, you know, ramming into things) or even rock. Dream world ability for it could totally be Rock Head, focus on like physical attacks... Tackle, Double-Edge, Skull Bash, Headbutt, Flare Blitz, Flame Wheel, Head Smash, Iron Head, etc etc etc. Excuse me for my little tangent. xD

Spherical Ice - not totally sure how I feel about the food Pokemon xD; Chocolate glass golem is really ... out there. The hampster is an interesting idea. Maybe it could have some ability where its secondary type changes depending on the berry it's holding? Like if it's holding the berries that heal paralysis, burns, or poison, it becomes Electric, Fire, or Poison typed, in addition to its Normal Type, for example.

For the Snowball, I think it's just too simple. I mean, it's a round ball with no markings and a face. Too simple. Maybe it can go straight from a snowman, maybe with two snowballs, into a three-ball snowman, and then into the yeti? One ball is just too simple.

The rest of the ideas mentioned are really neither here nor there for me. No real input to be made x3;
Mystix it is, then. We're going to need some people to start writing up dex entries. ;P

I like Mystix, it's more catchy.

I'm thinking of making a special location where you can get the Mystix (like how their is the meadow for Shaymin.) Maybe a tower of some kind? Maybe a castle? If it is a castle, that would fit into the Dragon/castle hybrid pokemon i've been thinking about. How about a place called Mystic or Grace Castle?

Also, what is going to be the name of the region?
We won't decide on a name for now. It'd be best if before we do that, we decide on an area in the world to base it off of.

I think it'd be interesting for it to be found in a burned location. Maybe a forest? After a forest fire wipes out the area, if you go there with some Key Item, it will suddenly be born of the ashes?

I'm also just offering this now, even though it's way too early to be thinking about, but trainers are my specialty so I'd love to be involved in the Gym Leaders and so on.

I think it'd be cool if you found Mystix in a burnt forest, yeah. He could be known as the Charity Pokemon, who only appears before selfless, giving trainers.

I'm also pretty good at designing Gym Leaders. I have one Gym Leader sprite for a long defunct project of mine, actually.


Nice idea.

I'm working on a fly pokemon. I'll only do the base for it, so some one else could do the shading and stuff. I'm horrible at that.

EDIT:
I did what i could, here is the full-evolution of the fly pokemon:
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/evolution_rex/Fly.png?t=1291600027
I'm not too fond of the fly, just going to be honest. It looks a bit too "toon-ish" to be a Pokemon right now. While Pokemon are stylized heavily, this one doesn't look a bit like a fly to me, aside from the wings. It's also lacking the general developed nature of a fully-evolved Pokemon. Look at Beedril and Venomoth, and you'll know what I mean. Heh.

http://blog.miller-mccune.com.s72010.gridserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/mmw_Flying_1108.jpg

I'm not saying you suck or anything, just that it doesn't really remind me of a fly right now. You did a pretty good job on the wings and shading, so don't give up. I know you can make it much better!

FourthBeat
6th December 2010, 5:12 AM
I love the Phoenix recolour :3 Perfect! Everything Yoshi said I pretty much agree with x3

In terms of locations in the world, I'm pretty easy-going. ...Just not Canada xD My FakeDex/Fake Region is literally all of Canada.
http://www.iaza.com/work/101206C/iaza19433969969400.png

The Chow-chow looks fantastic! Really love it. The tail looks a little ... bland? stubby? underdeveloped? I liked the other one, it looked so lavish and fluffy and I just wanted to snuggle with it. Why is trashcan be so tiny? That said, having seen that, I kind of just got inspiration. Trash Can -> Dumpster -> Garbage Truck type thing. Not with wheels, but in terms of the jagged mouth type thing they have on the back of them.

I really like Icicko! Looks really really cool (no pun intended). I'm not huge on the evolution, maybe if there was some external fire visible on the evolution as well as internally. Maybe just like two flames on the shoulders or something? I might have a go at spriting Icicko!

^^Yoshinichi^^
6th December 2010, 5:23 AM
I love the Phoenix recolour :3 Perfect! Everything Yoshi said I pretty much agree with x3

In terms of locations in the world, I'm pretty easy-going. ...Just not Canada xD My FakeDex/Fake Region is literally all of Canada.
http://www.iaza.com/work/101206C/iaza19433969969400.png

The Chow-chow looks fantastic! Really love it. The tail looks a little ... bland? stubby? underdeveloped? I liked the other one, it looked so lavish and fluffy and I just wanted to snuggle with it. Why is trashcan be so tiny? That said, having seen that, I kind of just got inspiration. Trash Can -> Dumpster -> Garbage Truck type thing. Not with wheels, but in terms of the jagged mouth type thing they have on the back of them.

I really like Icicko! Looks really really cool (no pun intended). I'm not huge on the evolution, maybe if there was some external fire visible on the evolution as well as internally. Maybe just like two flames on the shoulders or something? I might have a go at spriting Icicko!
Heh. How ironic. My personal Fakedex is based off of Canada, as well. Maybe we could have another region based off of somewhere in America like Unova? Or perhaps a Euro-Asia one.

I'll fix the tail sometime. ;P I was having trouble developing the tail so I just went the lazy route. What kind of markings could the tail have to make it stand out?

And yeah, I realize the trash-can cauldron is a bit tiny. I'll resprite him in the future to make him bigger. I had a similar idea, only it would go Trash-can->municipal waste-bin->dumpster, though I like your idea a lot more. This guy will be our main Steel type, along with the Bomble family, who I'm currently spriting. By all means, Kojiro, I'd love it if you came up with some Japanese names for our Fakemon. Welcome to the team! I was always an admirer of your art-style.

Also, I feel we should use your first post to contain the official stuff, FourthBeat. We'll put all the finished sprites with the dex entries there, once we get some dex entries written and Japanese/English names for the guys we have right now.

Lucario9
6th December 2010, 5:26 AM
That's a nice map. What made you pick canada though?

I also love the idea for the trashcan evos.

I'd also like to make the shiny sprites for the chowchow and trash can

evolutionrex
6th December 2010, 5:43 AM
I'm not too fond of the fly, just going to be honest. It looks a bit too "toon-ish" to be a Pokemon right now. While Pokemon are stylized heavily, this one doesn't look a bit like a fly to me, aside from the wings. It's also lacking the general developed nature of a fully-evolved Pokemon. Look at Beedril and Venomoth, and you'll know what I mean. Heh.

http://blog.miller-mccune.com.s72010.gridserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/mmw_Flying_1108.jpg

I'm not saying you suck or anything, just that it doesn't really remind me of a fly right now. You did a pretty good job on the wings and shading, so don't give up. I know you can make it much better!
I'm re-doing it. I'm making it more serious and hopefully just overall better.

^^Yoshinichi^^
6th December 2010, 5:48 AM
That's a nice map. What made you pick canada though?

I also love the idea for the trashcan evos.

I'd also like to make the shiny sprites for the chowchow and trash can

Well, feel free to make shiny sprites of them, however I have to fix the Chowchow's tail and make the trash can sprite bigger eventually, so maybe you should wait.

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/MrSchlapor/Project%20Phoenix%20Fakedex/bomble.png
This is how far I am on Bomble so far. What do you guys think?

KillingEdge
6th December 2010, 6:11 AM
I'm no good at spriting or drawing, but if you need help with Dex entries or other related information aesthetics, perhaps I can be of service. I'm also pretty decent with names. (If and when a post collects all the currently-OK'd Fakemon concepts, I'll try my hand at naming them.)

An example of a Fakemon I've done is in the spoiler box at the end of this post. If you like my style, perhaps I could try writing one up for Mystix? (If I do try to write one, you guys would have to decide what sort of stats you'd want it to have.)

And speaking of, perhaps you could call him Majestix. I dunno, saying 'Mystix' in my head, I'm just not feeling the kind of feeling it should be invoking...

- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Knucknoll (knuckle + knoll)
Type: Ground/Fighting
Classification: The Mountaineer Pokemon

Height: 175.3 cm. (5’9’’)
Weight: 57.7 kg. (127.1 lbs.)

Physical Description: A tall sandy-brown Pokemon that looks unusually humanoid, in the same vein as Blaziken. Its body is scarred significantly from years of climbing mountains. Its skin gets progressively darker brown going down its arms and legs. On its arms/wrists and feet, it has a hardened layer of deep red tissue that has presumably grown to protect its limbs while climbing. This tissue has also grown over its chest area and shoulders, almost like a plate of upper-body armor, and also up the back of its head. At the top, the tissue splits into three long downward-pointing flat ‘spikes’, two going down the sides of Knucknoll’s head and one sticking out down in the back. It has a chiseled face, with eyes and nose in proportion to that of a human, and its chin is pointed.

Shiny: Its body is a soot-like grey that grows darker down the arms and legs, and its tissue is obsidian black.

Northern Forme: The Northern Forme’s body is a snowy white color that grows progressively greyer down the arms and legs. Its tissue is icy blue, and the spikes on its head arc inwards at the tips. Shiny Northern Forme is just brighter shades of the same colors, ala Garchomp.
(Note: Northern Forme is simply a different-colored Knucknoll found in colder regions. It has the same typing and stats, like Shellos and Gastrodon.)

- Dex Entries -
- Knucknoll trains its body daily by scaling mountains and cliffs, using its spry movements and powerful leg strength for awe-inspiring acrobatic climbing maneuvers.
- Knucknoll possess the ability to release large amounts of stored energy into their legs for controlled bursts of speed, used for darting up cliffsides.
- Mountaineers have often reported being rescued by wild Knucknoll if their climbing equipment gave out. To this end, mountaineers wear badges shaped like Knucknoll’s head out of respect.

- Abilities, Stats, and Obtaining Info -
Abilities: Sand Throw or Irritant (Raises Attack if the user takes damage from entry hazards.)
Northern Forme Ability: Snow Adept (Raises Speed in Hail and prevents Hail damage. Northern Forme has a 1/3 chance of having this ability.)
DW Ability: Technician
Base Stats: 85 HP / 115 Attack / 80 Defense / 65 Sp.Atk / 80 Sp.Def / 105 Speed (BST 530)

Egg Groups: Ground and Humanshape
Gender Ratio: 50/50

EVs: 1 Attack and 1 Speed
Catch Rate: 75
Evolutionary Line: Armound (Ground/Fighting) --(Lv35)-> Knucknoll (Ground/Fighting)

- Level-Up Attacks -
Lv-: Pound
Lv-: Mud Slap
Lv-: Leer
Lv4: Mud Slap
Lv8: Leer
Lv13: Karate Chop
Lv17: Dig
Lv22: Rock Climb
Lv26: Bulk Up
Lv31: Mountain Storm
Lv35: Agility
Lv40: Jump Kick
Lv44: Rock Slide/Avalanche*
Lv49: Earthquake
Lv53: Hi Jump Kick
Lv58: Swords Dance
Lv64: Cross Chop

*: Normal Forme learns Rock Slide, while Northern Forme learns Avalanche.

- Learnable TMs/HMs -
6: Toxic
8: Bulk Up
10: Hidden Power
15: Hyper Beam
17: Protect
21: Frustration
23: Knock Down
26: Earthquake
27: Return
28: Dig
31: Brick Break
32: Double Team
37: Sandstorm
39: Rock Tomb
40: Aerial Ace
42: Facade
44: Rest
45: Attract
47: Ankle Sweep
48: Sing A Round
62: Acrobat
67: Vengeance
68: Giga Impact
71: Stone Edge
75: Swords Dance
78: Level Ground
80: Rock Slide
87: Swagger
90: Substitute
94: Rock Smash
HM4: Strength

- Egg Moves -
Ice Shard
Stealth Rock
Bullet Punch
Body Slam
Mach Punch
Reversal
Ice Punch
Blaze Kick

FourthBeat
6th December 2010, 6:21 AM
Heh, I'm Canadian, so Canada was an easy choice. :3 I tried to put a city to represent each province. Just like it was explored, you'd travel from east to west, with the E4 being on Vancouver Island. :3 But that's a conversation for another day. I'll work on getting my second post converted into a completed sprites section; hopefully by tomorrow it should be done.

I love how in-depth the Dex entries are, KillingEdge. I definitely think you could have that job x3 I'm always kinda picky with my designs but I think it's good to have another person's opinion. You can do one for Majestix, if you like. (Great name : D Thanks!)

Bombie looks really cute right now : D It's kinda simplistic though... I guess we can have a few simple ones. Its feet and head-thing and arms will definitely bring it to life.

^^Yoshinichi^^
6th December 2010, 6:39 AM
KillingEdge, you're perfect. Your dex entries are very detailed and descriptive. What I'd like for our Pokemon to have is sort of a template like this, if you don't mind:

#NUMBER NAME
CLASSIFICATION
TYPE:
ABILITY:
POKEDEX ENTRY:

Minus the caps lock.

And then spoiler the additional info, so that it doesn't overwhelm the reader. Making learnsets is something I could never do. Are you good at making up new moves and abilities?

So, FourthBeat. Has anyone on NeoSeeker professed interest in joining this project?

Well, I'm not altering Bomble's designs for obvious reasons. He doesn't belong to me. ;P I think he looks great, I just need to add the arms and hands. Funny how this guy was made before Gear was existed and bears an uncanny resemblance to him.

FourthBeat
6th December 2010, 6:47 AM
And is waaay better than Gear imo. x3 I haven't approached anyone or really advertised, but it's in my signature. Just been pretty busy this weekend. I'll definitely bring attention to it asap (:

Back on the topic of where our region could be, I always thought it would be cool to do a region like Greece. Perhaps with Turkey's western coast?

Innocent Bystander
6th December 2010, 8:10 AM
Maybe we could have another region based off of somewhere in America like Unova? Or perhaps a Euro-Asia on

Can I suggest New Zealand? It's one of those places that believe it or not, some people don't know exists. It's also got alot of unique places that would make godd in-game locations.

NZ FTW.

KillingEdge
6th December 2010, 8:13 AM
Majestix info page, version 1.0 is done. Noteworthy aspects include a unique ability and two signature moves. (I kept it all in the spoiler tag for now since it's still a rough draft. I like how it came out for a first go, though.)

- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Majestix
Type: Fire/Flying
Classification: The Rebirth Pokemon

Height: 68.58 cm (2’3’’)
Weight: 47.04 kg (103.7 lbs)

- Dex Entries -
- It's believed that a Majestix will appear to lend its power to a trainer who is truly devoted and willing to give their all for the sake of their Pokemon.
- The vibrant flames Majestix summons with its attacks have remarkable properties. They will only burn Majestix’s foes, and their colors inspire all who see them.
- Majestix’s body overflows with life force, and as such it has amazing healing properties. Its tears can rejuvenate fellow Pokemon, while its feathers can ease human wounds.

- Abilities, Stats, and Obtaining Info -
Ability: Reawaken (Once per battle, if two of your Pokemon are fainted while Majestix is fainted, Majestix will be revived at 75% of its maximum health.)
Base Stats: 100 HP / 80 Attack / 95 Defense / 125 Sp.Atk / 105 Sp.Def / 95 Speed (BST 600)

Gender Ratio: Genderless

EVs: 3 Sp.Atk
Catch Rate: 3

- Level-Up Attacks -
Lv--: Fire Dance
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Lv--: Incinerate
Lv--: Gust
Lv9: Wing Attack
Lv16: Fire Spin
Lv23: Safeguard
Lv30: Air Cutter
Lv37: Agility
Lv44: Phoenix Blossom
Lv51: Recover
Lv58: Air Slash
Lv65: Heat Wave
Lv72: Gale
Lv79: Phoenix Tears

Phoenix Blossom
Type: Fire/Special
Power/Accuracy: 100/100
PP: 5
Description: The user unleashes a vibrant blossom of fire from its body that burns with its will to endure.
Effect: This attack also raises Majestix’s Defense and Sp.Def stats by one stage when used.

Phoenix Tears
Type: Fire/Support
Power/Accuracy: --/100
PP: 5
Priority: +1
Description: The user cuts its HP and regenerates one of its teammates’ at the same time.
Effect: The user halves its current HP, and whichever of its teammates currently has the lowest percentage of its max HP regains 50% of its own max HP. (This move can be used on the overworld as well, with the same effect.)

FourthBeat
6th December 2010, 8:31 AM
Love love LOVE what you did with Majestix. I feel like it should have the "Blue Flame" attack though, given, you know, its blue flames xD Aaaand maybe Sky Attack? Just because it's Special-oriented doesn't mean it wouldn't learn a Physical move or two.

New Zealand would be pretty cool. I support it. I'm pretty much supportive of anywhere actually, as long as it's unique and interesting.

Oh, and Icicko isn't coming along so well xD; If anyone else wants to have a go, be my guest. Mine looks like a blob with senseless shading. I've mastered fire, not ice D:

Spherical Ice
6th December 2010, 8:41 AM
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff288/Sphericalice/Swewe.png
Swewe, the Sweet Pok&#233;mon
Type: Normal
Pok&#233;dex Entries:
- It's mint horns are sticky enough to grasp onto even the slippiest of surfaces. It leaves a colourful trail of sherbert wherever it goes.
- Farmers earn lots of money from the sweetest candy floss available extracted from this Pok&#233;mon's wool.
- Leaving a colourful trail of sherbert wherever it goes, this Pok&#233;mon is adored by children due to it's candy floss wool and minty horns.

I know you said you weren't too fond of the idea but I've sprited it anyway so if it changes your mind perhaps..?

KillingEdge
6th December 2010, 8:43 AM
Well, Blue Flame is Reshiram's signature move, so that really wouldn't work.

And I left Sky Attack off on purpose since both Moltres and Ho-Oh learn it. Can't have Majestix being TOO similar to his phoenixian brethren.

FourthBeat
6th December 2010, 8:56 AM
Shows how much I've paid attention to the 5th Gen xD; And good call on the Sky Attack, if that's the case.

I like it Spherical Ice, but are its eyes two different colours? That kinda bothers me. Its feet are also kinda ... stumps...

Everyone okay with me designing a Normal/Ice Husky Pokemon? One or two stages, undecided.

Spherical Ice
6th December 2010, 9:06 AM
Regarding the snowball, I think, and I know this is slightly odd, it should have aboriginal or "tiki" markings on it. It'd be a nice twist because you generally assosiate the "tiki" stuff with warmth so it'd be a nice twist? For Majestix, I think gluing on that "x" at the end makes it sound like something a three year old thinks is "SUPA COOOL!!!!!" so perhaps include more of the word "Phoenix" than "Majestic" or "Mystic" or whatever.

I intentionally added a different coloured eye, as it comes off as "cute" or something. As for the stumps, they sort of represent sugar?

Epwna is a Sceptile
6th December 2010, 1:23 PM
@Spherical ice: It's not suppost to be part fire.

I fixed Snall:

http://www.iaza.com/work/101207C/iaza16041247411900.gif

# 98:Snall, the Snowball Pokemon
TYPE: Ice
ABILITY: Dust-Proof, Pick-up
POKEDEX ENTRY:
Snall is a shy pokemon, usually lives in the north, but can withstand high temperatures.

Korobooshi Kojiro
6th December 2010, 2:01 PM
Yeah, that Bomble looks nice!

If I have time later I'll write up Dex Entries/Stat Distribution/Movesets/Abilities for Bomble and Bombadour.

Spherical Ice
6th December 2010, 4:49 PM
Um, Epwna, I know it's not meant to be fire. I said giving it "tiki" features would be unique because it's normally associated with fire, so if it looks like that on a snowball it will be unique. Obviously my ideas are stupid though, regardless of the "no ideas are dumb" thing. Seriously.

Extreme Floatzel
6th December 2010, 8:42 PM
http://www.iaza.com/work/101207C/iaza12670357303400.gif

I made keyite, it's not that great though, so somebody else could mabye do it up if they want :)

Epwna is a Sceptile
6th December 2010, 9:45 PM
Sorry! I didn't know, I thought you meant it would add to it's fireness. Now that you explained it, it would be sort of cool, but I'll save those for this surprise concept I'm working on. And Korobooshi, can you do those things for my pokemon,too? I don't like my dex entries.

Edit: Here's a quick drawing of Freyass: http://iaza.com/work/101207C/iaza16041284854800.png

Lucario9
6th December 2010, 10:14 PM
I've made made shiny sprites for 4 of the Fakemon

http://iaza.com/work/101207C/iaza15593670111300.png

If you don't like the colors, I'd be happy to change them.

bothie
6th December 2010, 10:27 PM
This sounds really interesting. I think everyone is doing a wondrous job so far. I'd love to help, although I have a region of my own. I will devote me extra time taking part in this. :)

I have a few Fakemon Ideas.

A colorful Fantasy bird for a legendary. (vibrant, purple colors.)
An Ice wolf and an evolved form.
An Ice Spider.
A Christmas Tree.

I have many ideas for evolutions/pre-evolutions for existing Pokemon, if we are doing so.

Extreme Floatzel
6th December 2010, 10:29 PM
I found this lying around my hardrive :)

Here it is, it's supposed to be normal and ghost

http://www.iaza.com/work/101207C/iaza12670394450800.gif

-Raiga-
7th December 2010, 12:16 AM
Not too sure on the design, but I've been having an idea for a pokemon and this is the closest I've come to making it what I have in my head.

Yes the drawing is pretty bad, but you get the idea. Unfortunately, it was supposed to be a leapard, but evolved into more of a puma, given its body shape anyway.

Just so I don't get some newb making some stupid name like pumacing(get it? puma+racing), I'll name it pumula1, based on puma, and formula1 racing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v445/Bamboogod/Pumula.png

With that said, the main things I think could change-

Eye design-I want it to still be that of a puma like animal, but it and the space around the eye need a little more character.
Location of the checkered design on is belly-I think it could go on his back legs, but I don't want it to repeat so much its not memorable how many squares there are.
Flag tail-I like the premise, it just needs something to make it NOT what anyone would draw if you told them make a tail with a racing flag.

And the big thing I need help with is colors. I tried a few and liked a few, and I think the main thing I need to do is add more use of the stop and go lights on it front arms.

Steel/normal btw. Thanks for any help. And feel free to sprite or repost with different colors.

bothie
7th December 2010, 12:58 AM
Here's my take on the Fantasy bird legendary I thought of.

http://i54.*******.com/307rtk7.png

-Raiga-
7th December 2010, 1:08 AM
Here's my take on the Fantasy bird legendary I thought of.

http://i54.*******.com/307rtk7.png

At first it seems pretty cool, but to be honest it lacks a LOT of personality. It really just seems to be a big bird with swirls everywhere. It simply isn't based on anything, and I think thats what it stems from.

KillingEdge
7th December 2010, 1:09 AM
Perhaps your racing puma could be Pumach? Puma + mach. Simple, and gets the point across. That, and I just think having an actual number in its name looks weird. (Porygon2 excepted, since he's man-made.)

Also, its ability has to be Speed Boost, and it needs to learn Nitro Charge and Extremespeed. But that's all for later.

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@ Spherical Ice: I've been looking through words related to 'mystic' and 'majestic'. None of the ones I've found so far can have 'Phoenix' meshed into them well.

---

I hate to submit ideas without any sort of sketches or basic sprites to accompany them, but I have plenty of Fakemon concepts that this project is welcome to use.

- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Absorphera (absorption + porifera)
Type: Water/Grass
Classification: The Absorption Pokemon

Size: 127.1 cm and 46.77 kg (4’2’’ and 103.1 lbs.)

Physical Description: http://www.mbari.org/news/feature-image/crinoid-sponge-450.jpg
Take this sea sponge, color the white parts a deep teal color and the orange ’growths’ whiteish, and have it growing on the back of an also teal quadruped amphibian-esque creature. This creature has webbed feet with three fat toes each, and its face is white with large eyes and a fat mouth, and an oval-shaped nose.

Shiny: The main body and sponge are now silver, and the growths on the sponge and its face are gold.

-----

- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Crustacide (crustacean + homicide)
Type: Rock/Fighting
Classification: The Irate Pokemon

Size: 117.54 cm and 72.46 kg (46.28 inches and 159.75 pounds)

Physical Description: A giant fossil lobster. It sports a powerful stone exoskeleton covered in scrapes and cuts, with a light tan underbelly. It sports a large gash down and around its left eye, and a smaller one on its right eye. Its pincers are as large as you'd expect on a scaled-up lobster. Its front legs are a bit thicker than the ones in back. The stone comprising its exoskeleton and pincers is a medium-dark shade of brown, with the legs being a lighter brown.

Shiny: Crustacide’s exoskeleton is now a deep shade of navy blue, with the legs still a lighter variant. Its underbelly is a silverish-white.

-----

- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Syniphe ( synalpheus + snipe )
Type: Water/Fire
Classification: The Sharpshot Pokemon

Size: 73.76 cm and 19.5 kg (2’5’’ and 43 lbs.)

Physical Description: A red shrimp with large black eyes and a large right claw, shaped like a gun; the top looks normal, but the bottom of the claw looks like the handle of the gun and a trigger. Its left claw is normally-sized, with a sharp pincer at the end. Long, stringy legs with equally long and stringy whiskers, both colored the same as its body, but with black on the tips.

Shiny: Black with blue eyes, and blue tips on its legs and whiskers.

Gender Difference: Female Syniphe have a slightly slimmer gunclaw, and a slightly longer normal claw. Their whiskers are also cut a bit shorter.

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- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Obliterock
Type: Rock/Electric
Classification: The Impact Stone Pokemon

Height: 64 cm (2’1’’)
Weight: 7.53 kg (16.6 lbs)
(Height and weight include Obliterock’s stone, which is rather dense for its size.)

Physical Description: A large, fat, and very earthy-looking brown dung beetle. Rather than a ball of dung, however, it rolls around on a grey stone formed into a perfect sphere. The spots where its legs touch the rock give off sparks, showing that Obliterock is electrically bound to the stone.

Shiny: Obliterock itself is colored electric blue, while its stone is a polished marble color.

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- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Voltrellis
Type: Grass/Electric
Classification: The Live Wire Pokemon

Height: 189 cm (6’2’’)
Weight: 160.6 kg (354 lbs.)

Physical Description: A large horse-like creature wearing what appears to be an armor coating made of brown tree bark. It has holes scattered across this armor, through which neon-green vines are spun around its body. These vines have dark green leaves of different sizes growing on them at various points, along with Voltrellis itself having a mane of leaves. It also has three large leaves fanning off the top of its head, one pointed forward from its forehead, and the other two pointed backwards and drooping down the back of its head. (The three leaves are in a Y shape if you look at Voltrellis from above.) It also has an elegant white tail.

Shiny: Its armor is now a sandy white color, with neon-blue vines and bright green leaves.

-Raiga-
7th December 2010, 1:13 AM
Perhaps your racing puma could be Pumach? Puma + mach. Simple, and gets the point across. That, and I just think having an actual number in its name looks weird. (Porygon2 excepted, since he's man-made.)

Which is why I thought it would work well. Although its not completely man-made, its based on man-made objects, and I think it gets the "technological" aspect of it evolving over time across.


Also, its ability has to be Speed Boost, and it needs to learn Nitro Charge and Extremespeed. But that's all for later.

Personally I have no interest in using skills or abilities that already exist. Much less this is spriting sub-forum, so just in general I see no reason to decide most of that. Although speed boost is a good fit.

FourthBeat
7th December 2010, 1:33 AM
Snall is still really simple and bland. It has no life or personality.

I think the swirly purple bird legendary is a little too similar to Majenix? I mean, it's a purple fancy bird thing...

That said, I love the idea of the Ice Wolf (I suggested a Husky earlier which got no response). I have a husky/wolf from long ago I'd like to remake for the project. I also love the Ice Spider and Christmas Tree ideas. The latter might be tough though, but I think it could be done.

Pumula1/Pumach is reaaaally interesting, I like it a lot. What would your opinions be on black feet, to mimick tires? In terms of the body pattern, instead of a checkerboard, maybe some racing stripes? For the tail, what if it was based off a spoiler or just the flag without the flagstick/flagpole/whatever it should be called? xD The sketch is fantastic, don't suggest otherwise.

KillingEdge, your ideas are really original, I like them a lot. Some might be tough to recreate in sprite form, but I'm sure it's workable.

Everyone okay with me taking a two-stage Husky/Wolf Pokemon? Normal/Ice and then Dark/Ice ?

Vanon
7th December 2010, 1:35 AM
I love these ideas im gonna give a go at the "Pumamach"

Korobooshi Kojiro
7th December 2010, 1:49 AM
Hmm, for a snail, one idea I had was for an Electric/Rock type...

Basically, it's a tiny yellow snail with a large shell shaped like a race-car helmet. Its shell though isn't a usual shell, but actually a rock with a nickel-center which functions as one of those circular-shaped batteries...by slowly moving its tiny little legs across the ground, it actually charges the battery with electrical energy. Once it stores up enough electricity, it evolves. I actually thought the evolution method for it could be step based...if you walk enough steps, it evolves. I didn't really think of what its evolution could be, except it could be a super-fast Pokemon, like some kind of snail mixed with a racecar or something.

bothie
7th December 2010, 1:58 AM
Well it is supposed to make you think of beauty, and life. The swirls, make it resemble it's beauty ageless personality. It is just a fancy purple bird, yes.

FourthBeat
7th December 2010, 2:00 AM
Second post updated to include the finished Pokemon. Hopefully we can get the sprites transparent-ified and in one image with the original and shiny together.

Also, here's the old version of the husky/wolf I'm planning to remake:
http://www.iaza.com/work/101207C/iaza19433995061300.png

evolutionrex
7th December 2010, 2:40 AM
Here is my 2nd try on the fly pokemon. I know it looks plump and cute but i want it that way. And, like I've said, your welcome to edit it as you wish.

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/evolution_rex/Fly2.png?t=1291685942

Lucario9
7th December 2010, 2:46 AM
Shiny version of the Husky:
http://www.iaza.com/work/101207C/iaza15593689209700.gif

FourthBeat
7th December 2010, 2:56 AM
Oh the husky isn't new, that's the old version I'm going to be remaking.

Lucario9
7th December 2010, 2:58 AM
Oh, ok. Also i posted shiny sprites of some other Fakemon. Didn't know if you saw them or not.

^^Yoshinichi^^
7th December 2010, 3:10 AM
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/MrSchlapor/Project%20Phoenix%20Fakedex/cowcow-1.pngPuprim, now 10% fluffier!
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/MrSchlapor/Project%20Phoenix%20Fakedex/bomble-1.png
Bomble, Kojiro's Fire/Steel bomb dork! I'll have to sprite Bombadour eventually...he'll be fun. ;P

I need to resprite Canopee(the garbage can) to make him bigger. I'll do that eventually, though. Not right now. ;P Glad he's got a positive response.



http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff288/Sphericalice/Swewe.png
Swewe, the Sweet Pokémon
Type: Normal
Pokédex Entries:
- It's mint horns are sticky enough to grasp onto even the slippiest of surfaces. It leaves a colourful trail of sherbert wherever it goes.
- Farmers earn lots of money from the sweetest candy floss available extracted from this Pokémon's wool.
- Leaving a colourful trail of sherbert wherever it goes, this Pokémon is adored by children due to it's candy floss wool and minty horns.

I know you said you weren't too fond of the idea but I've sprited it anyway so if it changes your mind perhaps..?
I love Swewe, but I thought that other eye was its nose. ;P I personally think its left eye would be on the other side of its head, but do as you wish. It's got a really cute, girly design. I was thinking it looks kind of like a Poison type, since sugar and candy is bad for you. But Normal works, too.

Shows how much I've paid attention to the 5th Gen xD; And good call on the Sky Attack, if that's the case.

I like it Spherical Ice, but are its eyes two different colours? That kinda bothers me. Its feet are also kinda ... stumps...

Everyone okay with me designing a Normal/Ice Husky Pokemon? One or two stages, undecided.
Well, there's tons of Pokemon with stubby legs. Munna, Tsutarga, Skitty....xP

Feel free to have a Husky Pokemon. I love Malamutes! It'd be really neat to have another dog Pokemon for our region.

Yeah, that Bomble looks nice!

If I have time later I'll write up Dex Entries/Stat Distribution/Movesets/Abilities for Bomble and Bombadour.
Sounds great. Only the creator of these guys would be able to write fitting descriptions, I'm sure. ;P

http://www.iaza.com/work/101207C/iaza12670357303400.gif

I made keyite, it's not that great though, so somebody else could mabye do it up if they want :)
It's not terrible. I mean, of course the shading needs work, but it's got a great outline. I think it could be a bit bigger, though. If we make a bigger sprite of it, somebody else could shade it for you and it'd be labeled as a three-way collaboration.


I've made made shiny sprites for 4 of the Fakemon

http://iaza.com/work/101207C/iaza15593670111300.png

If you don't like the colors, I'd be happy to change them.
The colours are fine, but it looks like your work is cut out for you now that I changed Puprim. Bomble needs a shiny now, too. :>

This sounds really interesting. I think everyone is doing a wondrous job so far. I'd love to help, although I have a region of my own. I will devote me extra time taking part in this. :)

I have a few Fakemon Ideas.

A colorful Fantasy bird for a legendary. (vibrant, purple colors.)
An Ice wolf and an evolved form.
An Ice Spider.
A Christmas Tree.

I have many ideas for evolutions/pre-evolutions for existing Pokemon, if we are doing so.
I think we should stick to only one Legendary bird for our region, heh. Especially since it sounds like it'd be a similar colour to our phoenix.

I found this lying around my hardrive :)

Here it is, it's supposed to be normal and ghost

http://www.iaza.com/work/101207C/iaza12670394450800.gif
It looks kind of like a Dragon type to me. What's the basis behind it, by the way? When I looked at it I just thought it was a chameleon before I read what type it is.

Not too sure on the design, but I've been having an idea for a pokemon and this is the closest I've come to making it what I have in my head.

Yes the drawing is pretty bad, but you get the idea. Unfortunately, it was supposed to be a leapard, but evolved into more of a puma, given its body shape anyway.

Just so I don't get some newb making some stupid name like pumacing(get it? puma+racing), I'll name it pumula1, based on puma, and formula1 racing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v445/Bamboogod/Pumula.png

With that said, the main things I think could change-

Eye design-I want it to still be that of a puma like animal, but it and the space around the eye need a little more character.
Location of the checkered design on is belly-I think it could go on his back legs, but I don't want it to repeat so much its not memorable how many squares there are.
Flag tail-I like the premise, it just needs something to make it NOT what anyone would draw if you told them make a tail with a racing flag.

And the big thing I need help with is colors. I tried a few and liked a few, and I think the main thing I need to do is add more use of the stop and go lights on it front arms.

Steel/normal btw. Thanks for any help. And feel free to sprite or repost with different colors.
I think it looks great, -Raiga-. The first thing I thought when looking at it was a Greyhound, known to be one of the fastest dogs around. That's just from the elongated snout and the description you gave it, though. You could fix the flag-tail by making it wispy and natural, but shaped kind of like a flag like Mantine's tail. You know those triangle shaped flags? Maybe it could be shaped like that. Glad to see you're on board now, though. I'm sorry if I offended you earlier. ^^;

Perhaps your racing puma could be Pumach? Puma + mach. Simple, and gets the point across. That, and I just think having an actual number in its name looks weird. (Porygon2 excepted, since he's man-made.)

Also, its ability has to be Speed Boost, and it needs to learn Nitro Charge and Extremespeed. But that's all for later.

---

@ Spherical Ice: I've been looking through words related to 'mystic' and 'majestic'. None of the ones I've found so far can have 'Phoenix' meshed into them well.

---

I hate to submit ideas without any sort of sketches or basic sprites to accompany them, but I have plenty of Fakemon concepts that this project is welcome to use.

- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Absorphera (absorption + porifera)
Type: Water/Grass
Classification: The Absorption Pokemon

Size: 127.1 cm and 46.77 kg (4’2’’ and 103.1 lbs.)

Physical Description: http://www.mbari.org/news/feature-image/crinoid-sponge-450.jpg
Take this sea sponge, color the white parts a deep teal color and the orange ’growths’ whiteish, and have it growing on the back of an also teal quadruped amphibian-esque creature. This creature has webbed feet with three fat toes each, and its face is white with large eyes and a fat mouth, and an oval-shaped nose.

Shiny: The main body and sponge are now silver, and the growths on the sponge and its face are gold.

-----

- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Crustacide (crustacean + homicide)
Type: Rock/Fighting
Classification: The Irate Pokemon

Size: 117.54 cm and 72.46 kg (46.28 inches and 159.75 pounds)

Physical Description: A giant fossil lobster. It sports a powerful stone exoskeleton covered in scrapes and cuts, with a light tan underbelly. It sports a large gash down and around its left eye, and a smaller one on its right eye. Its pincers are as large as you'd expect on a scaled-up lobster. Its front legs are a bit thicker than the ones in back. The stone comprising its exoskeleton and pincers is a medium-dark shade of brown, with the legs being a lighter brown.

Shiny: Crustacide’s exoskeleton is now a deep shade of navy blue, with the legs still a lighter variant. Its underbelly is a silverish-white.

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- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Syniphe ( synalpheus + snipe )
Type: Water/Fire
Classification: The Sharpshot Pokemon

Size: 73.76 cm and 19.5 kg (2’5’’ and 43 lbs.)

Physical Description: A red shrimp with large black eyes and a large right claw, shaped like a gun; the top looks normal, but the bottom of the claw looks like the handle of the gun and a trigger. Its left claw is normally-sized, with a sharp pincer at the end. Long, stringy legs with equally long and stringy whiskers, both colored the same as its body, but with black on the tips.

Shiny: Black with blue eyes, and blue tips on its legs and whiskers.

Gender Difference: Female Syniphe have a slightly slimmer gunclaw, and a slightly longer normal claw. Their whiskers are also cut a bit shorter.

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- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Obliterock
Type: Rock/Electric
Classification: The Impact Stone Pokemon

Height: 64 cm (2’1’’)
Weight: 7.53 kg (16.6 lbs)
(Height and weight include Obliterock’s stone, which is rather dense for its size.)

Physical Description: A large, fat, and very earthy-looking brown dung beetle. Rather than a ball of dung, however, it rolls around on a grey stone formed into a perfect sphere. The spots where its legs touch the rock give off sparks, showing that Obliterock is electrically bound to the stone.

Shiny: Obliterock itself is colored electric blue, while its stone is a polished marble color.

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- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Voltrellis
Type: Grass/Electric
Classification: The Live Wire Pokemon

Height: 189 cm (6’2’’)
Weight: 160.6 kg (354 lbs.)

Physical Description: A large horse-like creature wearing what appears to be an armor coating made of brown tree bark. It has holes scattered across this armor, through which neon-green vines are spun around its body. These vines have dark green leaves of different sizes growing on them at various points, along with Voltrellis itself having a mane of leaves. It also has three large leaves fanning off the top of its head, one pointed forward from its forehead, and the other two pointed backwards and drooping down the back of its head. (The three leaves are in a Y shape if you look at Voltrellis from above.) It also has an elegant white tail.

Shiny: Its armor is now a sandy white color, with neon-blue vines and bright green leaves.
I love the ideas, though currently I'm a bit too busy to look too into them. The lobster caught my attention especially, though. We'll definitely use these ideas for our Fakedex.

Hmm, for a snail, one idea I had was for an Electric/Rock type...

Basically, it's a tiny yellow snail with a large shell shaped like a race-car helmet. Its shell though isn't a usual shell, but actually a rock with a nickel-center which functions as one of those circular-shaped batteries...by slowly moving its tiny little legs across the ground, it actually charges the battery with electrical energy. Once it stores up enough electricity, it evolves. I actually thought the evolution method for it could be step based...if you walk enough steps, it evolves. I didn't really think of what its evolution could be, except it could be a super-fast Pokemon, like some kind of snail mixed with a racecar or something.
Would you be able to draw him, or is your scanner not working. I think it'd be best for you to draw this guy, because he really seems like your personal style. I could see him being the Ishizumai of our region, if you know what I'm getting at. Would it have Breakable Armour?

Second post updated to include the finished Pokemon. Hopefully we can get the sprites transparent-ified and in one image with the original and shiny together.

Also, here's the old version of the husky/wolf I'm planning to remake:
http://www.iaza.com/work/101207C/iaza19433995061300.png
Thank you for that, FourthBeat! I hope you know I consider you Second-in-command here, with all the hard work you've done. I didn't expect we'd come this far in less than a week....I'm a bit surprised, honestly. Also, forgive me if I made it seem like you had to dedicate yourself to this. Guys(and girls), remember not to spend too much time of your day on this project. I want all of you to keep your lives in tact. ;P I know this is a really exciting project, though. And I'm glad to see it's fairly successful.

And now the question that's on everybody's minds. How big should our Fakedex be? Should it be around 150~ like Unova or Kanto? Or should we go for a Pokedex around 130~ like Hoenn or perhaps around 140~? We could go as high as 170~, for all I care. It's just what you guys think is best.

FourthBeat
7th December 2010, 3:16 AM
C: Glad to do my part. I feel like I kinda forced myself into the second-in-command position without asking anyone about it xD As for how many Pokemon we have, I'm not too concerned by that. 150 is a good place to start, and we can expland or shrink as necessary.

Puprim and Bomble look great by the way! Excited to see their evolutions!

evolutionrex
7th December 2010, 3:24 AM
Here is a maggot pokemon that will evolve into another pokemon that i'll post later on, that then evolves into the fly pokemon:

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/evolution_rex/maggot.png?t=1291688662

^^Yoshinichi^^
7th December 2010, 3:33 AM
C: Glad to do my part. I feel like I kinda forced myself into the second-in-command position without asking anyone about it xD As for how many Pokemon we have, I'm not too concerned by that. 150 is a good place to start, and we can expland or shrink as necessary.

Puprim and Bomble look great by the way! Excited to see their evolutions!
Don't worry about it or feel like you need to do too much. Just do as much as you can and it'll be fine. Don't worry about actively advertising on NeoSeeker just yet. Although, I am curious to see your profile on their so I can see what your signature looks like.~

Yeah, I think I should sprite Bomble's evolution Bombadour now. I'm a bit too tired to come up with Puprim's evolution designs or resprite Canopee right now. I'm absolutely terrible at coming up with Steel types myself, but it looks to me like we'll have plenty for our region. Now all we need specifically if we are to follow the tradition is to figure out the following:

Basic Normal Mammal(not necessarily a rodent. Look at Sentret and Zigzagoon) -> Lv15/20-> Normal Rodent
Pikachu-lookalike Rodent Electric w/Thunder Stone-> Evolution
Regional Abra/Ralts/etc.
Regional Machop/Dokkora
Regional Cave-dwelling Rock type
Regional bat
Another cave dweller possibly, like how they have Mogurew for Unova
Common Ocean Pokemon like Tentacool/Wingull/Puririru
Common bird-We have Freyass, though I'm not too sure on it right now. What bird is it based off of? ;P

evolutionrex
7th December 2010, 3:43 AM
Regional Abra/Ralts/etc.
what about a pokemon that symbolizes sign language? It could be designed to look like hands, along with their own hands.

Regional Machop/Dokkora
What about a coach pokemon? It could come with a whistle and stuff.

Regional Cave-dwelling Rock type
I like your stalactite pokemon.

Regional bat
Maybe a vampire bat that is dark and flying type?

Another cave dweller possibly, like how they have Mogurew for Unova
An opal, which i mentioned earlier

Common Ocean Pokemon like Tentacool/Wingull/Puririru
A box jelly fish?

^^Yoshinichi^^
7th December 2010, 4:06 AM
what about a pokemon that symbolizes sign language? It could be designed to look like hands, along with their own hands.
I'm not sure about that. How would we integrate Psychic abilities into it? Besides whatever we choose as our regional Psychic type, I think we need another "fashion" Pokemon based off a different Japanese style. Maybe that one crazy fashion style. I can't remember the name, exactly...

What about a coach pokemon? It could come with a whistle and stuff.
A coach Pokemon? The idea sounds promising, albeit strange. What would it look like?
I like your stalactite pokemon.
I can redo my stalactite Pokemon for the region, then.
Maybe a vampire bat that is dark and flying type?
I actually think a ghost bat (http://www.australianfauna.com/images/ghostbat.jpg)would be more original. Vampire bats have been done to death, in my opinion.

An opal, which i mentioned earlier
How would we incorporate the opal into a Pokemon, though? We know the opal is a fairly rounded, multi-coloured stone...maybe an opal covered reptile?

A box jelly fish?

That could work, as long as make it look unique. Maybe just pure Water type?

Comments in bold. I personally think our region should be "all new", like Unova and Kanto. I'd prefer that myself.

I like the maggot Pokemon's body, but right now the sprite is too big. I think it should be around the size of a similar bug type. I also think you should space out the eyes slightly, but other than that, it's really cute!

Lucario9
7th December 2010, 4:34 AM
The colours are fine, but it looks like your work is cut out for you now that I changed Puprim. Bomble needs a shiny now, too. :>

Alright, I'll get right on it.

evolutionrex
7th December 2010, 4:44 AM
Comments in bold. I personally think our region should be "all new", like Unova and Kanto. I'd prefer that myself.
The box jelly fish is the most poisonous animal in the world (i'm pretty sure.) and so it would make sense for it to be water.poison.

the opal pokemon could start out at a normal opal, then evolve into a piece of jewelery.


I like the maggot Pokemon's body, but right now the sprite is too big. I think it should be around the size of a similar bug type. I also think you should space out the eyes slightly, but other than that, it's really cute!
That's the biggest flaw in my spriting; i can't help but make them big. I keep them within the limit but it always make them bigger than usual, that's why i stay with the cute fat pokemon instead of flexible, skinny, serious pokemon (such as legendaries.) But, does it really need to be smaller?

Anyway here is the full evolution chain of the fly pokemon:
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/evolution_rex/th_maggot.png?t=1291693001 evolves at Lv 10 http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/evolution_rex/th_Maggotfly.png?t=1291693001 evolves at lv20 http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/evolution_rex/th_Fly2.png?t=1291693001

FourthBeat
7th December 2010, 4:57 AM
Put the Fly between Charizard and Wurmple and you'll see that it's just ridiculous in terms of size. They all seem very ... basic, still. Kind of lacking character... *shrugs*

What if instead of a bat we did some other sort of dark-area dwelling or nocturnal animal? Nothing comes to mind immediately, but Zubat is found all day in caves, and pretty much everywhere at night, which would make sense of a noctural type Pokemon, maybe?

Working on the Fire/Dark snakes atm :3

Michael Jackson
7th December 2010, 5:02 AM
I do not comprehend the aim and goal of this project. Perhaps explain to me in more detail, and I will contemplate contributing my fan-made Pokemon.

FourthBeat
7th December 2010, 5:06 AM
Well, first off, the idea is to get together to make new sprites as a community. As a group we'll come up with ideas and suggestions, and make sprites, improve them, and develop them. So we're not really interested in people contributing things they've already made, we want entirely new ideas and new sprites.

^^Yoshinichi^^
7th December 2010, 5:12 AM
The box jelly fish is the most poisonous animal in the world (i'm pretty sure.) and so it would make sense for it to be water.poison.

the opal pokemon could start out at a normal opal, then evolve into a piece of jewelery.


That's the biggest flaw in my spriting; i can't help but make them big. I keep them within the limit but it always make them bigger than usual, that's why i stay with the cute fat pokemon instead of flexible, skinny, serious pokemon (such as legendaries.) But, does it really need to be smaller?

Anyway here is the full evolution chain of the fly pokemon:
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/evolution_rex/th_maggot.png?t=1291693001 evolves at Lv 10 http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/evolution_rex/th_Maggotfly.png?t=1291693001 evolves at lv20 http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac311/evolution_rex/th_Fly2.png?t=1291693001
Alright, sounds cool. Just as long as we make it not look like a Tentacool rip-off, then that's fine making it Poison/Water. Who would be up for designing it, though?
For authenticity, it does. But don't worry about that at all. The designs are good. I can resprite the sprites so that they're smaller, but it'll have the same basic design. I don't want to sound mean or anything, and I'm not trying to insult you. The designs themselves are great. Please don't hate me.

If anybody knows any experienced spriters who'd be into joining this project, please let me know! We don't have many spriters right now, and I'm worried we aren't branching out enough.

evolutionrex
7th December 2010, 5:24 AM
Put the Fly between Charizard and Wurmple and you'll see that it's just ridiculous in terms of size. They all seem very ... basic, still. Kind of lacking character... *shrugs*
Like i said, feel free to edit them anyway you want. The only reason why i made them is to show better spriters how it should look like.


Anyway, i think the total amount of pokemon should be the normal 150.


Alright, sounds cool. Just as long as we make it not look like a Tentacool rip-off, then that's fine making it Poison/Water. Who would be up for designing it, though?
For authenticity, it does. But don't worry about that at all. The designs are good. I can resprite the sprites so that they're smaller, but it'll have the same basic design. I don't want to sound mean or anything, and I'm not trying to insult you. The designs themselves are great. Please don't hate me.

If anybody knows any experienced spriters who'd be into joining this project, please let me know! We don't have many spriters right now, and I'm worried we aren't branching out enough.
No, you don't sound mean or rude. I know i'm not the best spriter. I think I'll stick around just making pokemon ideas and sketches.

I've been talking to people, most just ignored my PMs. There are quite a few people i had in mind, but they rarely come on to Serebii. I got tons of people who'd be interested in gyms, elite four, and locations (my specialty.) My brother (Murky_Night) especially, he loves to come up with battlers, moves, and abilities. He'd be useful down the road.

FourthBeat
7th December 2010, 5:28 AM
I'll message some of my homeslices on Neoseeker and see if they'd be interested, or if they know anyone who would (: At any rate, rough draft of the snakes. Thoughts?

http://www.iaza.com/work/101207C/iaza19433944856500.png

They're not really based on any snake in particular at the moment... I just came up with a weird three-stripe design. The second one has fire eyebrows of death and fire fangs, literally.

Michael Jackson
7th December 2010, 5:33 AM
http://www.iaza.com/work/101207C/iaza19433944856500.png



Far too basic. Unoriginal color scheme. Darkness/Blood/Evil Serpent theme is overdone. Attempt better.

evolutionrex
7th December 2010, 5:34 AM
Far too basic. Unoriginal color scheme. \"Darkness/Blood/Evil Serpent\" theme is overdone. Attempt better.
uhm, the sprites aren't finished dude.

...are you a troll?

FourthBeat
7th December 2010, 5:39 AM
Welcome to Serebii, MichaelJackson. I was kind enough to explain the concept of the project to you, so it was very nice to receive a thank you in the form of a slap in the face. Negative and non-constructive criticism is a waste of your time. I suggest everyone ignore pointless and rude comments. All trolls ever seek is attention, so not giving it to them is the best medicine. (:

Michael Jackson
7th December 2010, 5:39 AM
uhm, the sprites aren\'t finished dude.

...are you a troll?

The sprites, I realize are incomplete. However I, was commenting on the concept as opposed to the spatial sprite.

A troll? What is that? I am an art critic.

Michael Jackson
7th December 2010, 5:42 AM
You do not wish to improve your sprites? And you call yourself an artist? Do you not pay any heed to criticism? No wonder your sprites are of mediocre quality! I am offended beyond belief. Your sheer belligerence will lead me to address my concerns with the leader of this project, ^^Yoshinichi^^.

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FourthBeat
7th December 2010, 5:44 AM
EvolutionRex, where were you advertising? Just on Serebii or ... ?

-Raiga-
7th December 2010, 5:48 AM
I think it looks great, -Raiga-. The first thing I thought when looking at it was a Greyhound, known to be one of the fastest dogs around. That's just from the elongated snout and the description you gave it, though. You could fix the flag-tail by making it wispy and natural, but shaped kind of like a flag like Mantine's tail. You know those triangle shaped flags? Maybe it could be shaped like that.

Good point, greyhound fits pretty well. I'm not someone who likes to deviate from my original goal since I'll never learn anything that way, so I was a little hesitant to call it anything but a leapard, but either puma or greyhound fits well.

As far as the tail goes, I was thinking something like that, basically my idea was it ignores the tail aspect completely and the flag comes straight from the spine and lower leg region of the body. I'll figure out something I guess.


Glad to see you're on board now, though. I'm sorry if I offended you earlier. ^^;

Woah there, no need to retract your opinion just because I'm doing some stuff for it. Its just what I said before, I support the project, I just wanted to make sure you had your priorities straight, and I think you did in your last post. Thus me not responding to it with further arguement.


Far too basic. Unoriginal color scheme. Darkness/Blood/Evil Serpent theme is overdone. Attempt better.

In addition to the color scheme, and idea not really being overdone at all, perhaps actually try you hand at giving them ideas and criticizing next time, as oppose to just "attempt better"

As far as my thoughts go, the first one doesn't look like much, but I like the design of the second one, particularly the red wing stuff on the head. I think if you make it smaller and more inoccent, you can make that one the first in the line and make something truly menacing as the final.

Oh, and thanks fourth beat for the advice on pumula1 on the last page. I like the tire feet idea, however I tried colored feet before on all fours, only the front two, and only the back two, and nothing looked right because it adds too much design for the eye to follow in my opinion. I was already hesitant with how many colors and designs it has, but I've noted what you said.

evolutionrex
7th December 2010, 5:49 AM
http://www.iaza.com/work/101207C/iaza19433944856500.png

They're not really based on any snake in particular at the moment... I just came up with a weird three-stripe design. The second one has fire eyebrows of death and fire fangs, literally.
Nice so far. Are they going to be the starters? Have we confirmed any of the starters?

I got a really interesting idea for a legendary pokemon. It's a super version of Clafable, it mimics some features of Clafable (it's arm movements and tail for example) but make super and almost scary proportions. It wears a cape like aliens from old time movies. It is supposedly the leader of the clefables, clefairies, and cleffas on the moon.


EvolutionRex, where were you advertising? Just on Serebii or ... ?
I'm not part of any other Pokemon website... yeah i know :P

^^Yoshinichi^^
7th December 2010, 5:50 AM
I think he means the design is basic. And I think he might be right. Snakes usually have slender faces, though we could go for a more rounded look. I think the only real issue is it doesn't change much through evolution. That could be fixed by making the evolution's eyes look different and making the evolution larger and more fierce. Think of the transition between Ekans and Arbok, and you'll know what I'm talking about. Don't be afraid to stylize it or make it look a bit wacky, either. Pokemon are pretty stylized for monsters.

I'm trying to sprite the maggot. I'll post an update soon. ;P

EDIT: Why does everybody post before me? ;P

@-Raiga-:I'm not retracting any opinions. I was very flustered when I first started up this project and thus a bit nervous of any criticisms. I knew you were only trying to help me make a successful project, and I never meant to call you out on anything.

Your idea for Pumula1 sounds good. You said it's supposed to be a natural Pokemon, right? If you make the flags look natural like you were thinking, then you'll have no problems with it looking like a creature, rather than a contrived monster as many Fakemon end up. You could give it a visor possibly that goes over its eyes when its racing across the land. For some reason, Pumula1 really looks like a great idea for a legendary, like Entei and Suicune.

I'm gonna redo Puprim. It looks too generic to me to evolve into a Shisha, and I have to change it now that I've decided to make them Rock/Psychic or Rock/Fire. So hold off on any shiny sprites of Puprim for now. ^^;

FourthBeat
7th December 2010, 5:54 AM
I'll take your word for it, -Raiga-. I do really like the design as it is. Sometimes simpler is better, (see Absol?) so I wouldn't worry too much about the design on the body. It might not be needed at all (:

As far as I know, none of the starters are decided. That said, I don't really support a snake starter, given Snivy's recency. Also, I'll be redoing the pre-evolution. Its body doesn't make sense... the pose is just silly. xD It made sense in my head but it just didn't come out right. I might consider making the bigger one the first stage. Or maybe it could be a standalone??

Michael Jackson
7th December 2010, 5:56 AM
FourthBeat, I have addressed my concerns with Yoshinichi, and now judgement shall befall you!

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/885/fakemon.png

A few fakemon I made out of boredom out of the past few days. As you can see they were intended to be starters. Use them as you wish, for I do not know if this project can appreciate my contribution.

As you can see, I have attempted to replicate Ken Sugimori\'s art style. At the present time, they lack color but I can get around to adding that once I receive confirmation.

evolutionrex
7th December 2010, 6:12 AM
FourthBeat, I have addressed my concerns with Yoshinichi, and now judgement shall befall you!

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/885/fakemon.png

A few fakemon I made out of boredom out of the past few days. As you can see they were intended to be starters. Use them as you wish, for I do not know if this project can appreciate my contribution.

As you can see, I have attempted to replicate Ken Sugimori\'s art style. At the present time, they lack color but I can get around to adding that once I receive confirmation.
Not that your art is bad, becuase their wonderful, it's just that your a troll and i really don't trust where you got the art from.

Plus, they all look like actual pokemon; Pidgy, hoppip, and buizel. They don't have any originality to them, which is our point.

Michael Jackson
7th December 2010, 6:18 AM
Not that your art isn\'t bad, becuase their wonderful, it\'s just that your a troll and i really don\'t trust where you got the art from.

Plus, they all look like actual pokemon; Pidgy, hoppip, and buizel. They don\'t have any originality to them, which is our point.

Youre a ****ing idiot, im not a troll.


Plus, you have no right to criticize my art because I\'ve seen your art and its ****. You guys are not artists, and are being pretentious douchebags if you even attempt to call yourselves that.


****ing douchebags.

evolutionrex
7th December 2010, 7:36 AM
the funny thing is that no one even said that they were artist.

Anyway, I came up with ideas for the main legendaries:

- An Egyptian Pyramid pokemon (Version 1)
-A Myan Pyramid pokemon (Version 2)
-A stone Henge pokemon (Version 3)

it's suppose to be the Dialga/Palkia/Garitina type trio.

^^Yoshinichi^^
7th December 2010, 7:39 AM
Youre a ****ing idiot, im not a troll.


Plus, you have no right to criticize my art because I\'ve seen your art and its ****. You guys are not artists, and are being pretentious douchebags if you even attempt to call yourselves that.


****ing douchebags.

Look, your art is great and I'm convinced you didn't steal these. However, straight out aggression gets you banned on these forums, and the purpose of this community project is to help each other make better Fakemon, give tips on how to improve them, and form a good quality Fakedex team. You aren't doing that at all by calling our designs bad. We need good criticism to improve, rather than vague statements. Tone down the swearing and stop fighting, all of you. We're all trying to accomplish the same goals and I think we should work on suggesting how to improve each others designs, rather than putting each other down.

Seriously, guys. That goes for all of you.

evolutionrex
7th December 2010, 7:58 AM
Main Abra/ralts etc. Pokemon:
-An elephant/Buddha pokemon?

FourthBeat
7th December 2010, 8:14 AM
I like the Elephant Buddha idea but I dunno, bringing religion into these things can be messy X: I like the Rock formations as well, but it might be difficult to incorporate a large scale structure like that onto a Pokemon. I like the idea though, perhaps ancient civilizations could be major factors in the trio. What if we did like ancient Orient, African (Egypt), and South American (Myan/Aztek) as inspiration for a trio? For some reason I can picture Orient being Grass, Egypt as Ground and Aztek being Rock, perhaps each with a Ghost or Psychic secondary type? We could focus on markings and writings as opposed to physical structures. Hieroglyphs as opposed to pyramids?

MJ, your art is great, congratulations. Your attitude is not. If you drop the attitude and actually take part in this as a community effort, I'll happily work with you. You're treating us like you're some great gift that we should bow before: "...if this project can appreciate my contribution." The fact of the matter is that everyone in this group is equal. We're making decisions as a group, working on everything as a group, and nobody is better than anyone else. We each have our own skill sets, strengths, and weaknesses, but everyone is on an equal playing field. Being negative and treating us with such attitude won't work. I, for one, will just flatly ignore anything you have to say if you don't drop the attitude. Everyone is an equal, stop treating us like you're a thousand times better than any of us and treat us with respect. This is honestly the only time I'm going to offer you this. If you choose not to accept, then deal with the consequences of not being welcomed and involved. Drop the attitude, and work with us.

Epwna is a Sceptile
7th December 2010, 1:15 PM
I just want to know, did anyone see my drawing of Freyass? Just wondering.

Lizzi
7th December 2010, 5:27 PM
(hehe FB, you got me) I have a few Psychic/Flying Types I'd love to give here (if not their sprites, at least their ideas).
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1276/72779910.gif
I'm really excited to get to work with everyone here, um... random woot?

FourthBeat
7th December 2010, 5:34 PM
: DD *tackles Lizzle* Yay, glad you came C:I'm loooooving the shade of purple you used on that first one. :33

-Raiga-
7th December 2010, 8:35 PM
Your idea for Pumula1 sounds good. You said it's supposed to be a natural Pokemon, right? If you make the flags look natural like you were thinking, then you'll have no problems with it looking like a creature, rather than a contrived monster as many Fakemon end up. You could give it a visor possibly that goes over its eyes when its racing across the land. For some reason, Pumula1 really looks like a great idea for a legendary, like Entei and Suicune.

I suppose so, the only things I have to mention about these statement are I personally wouldn't want to pumula1(guys, keep in mind it may be a temporary name) to be a legendary, so maybe I should tone down some of the aspects if it appears that way. Also, I already consider the thing on its face to be a visor, unless there is something I'm missing?

And people, calm down, michael jackson has EVERY right to be as mad as he is. There was NO basis whatsoever for evolutionrex to call him a troll when all he was doing was contributing, the only thing he did was give a small amount of crit that could have been better.


Plus, you have no right to criticize my art because I\'ve seen your art and its ****. You guys are not artists, and are being pretentious douchebags if you even attempt to call yourselves that.

HOWEVER, THIS, this I have a big problem with. Ever wonder why despite being only able to draw stick figures, someone in the same grade or class as you can judge your art, and say maybe its not as good as the van gogh's and salvador dahli's? Its because no matter the skill level of someone, any time they attempt to do anything, whether its a stick figure or the mona lisa, they are trying to do something specific, complete a specific vision, and ANYONE with eyes can deduce that maybe they didn't complete that the vision the way they assume the person was trying.

So next time, if someone's art so bad to you its ridiculous, wouldn't it be VERY easy for someone of your stature to give them crit, instead of the meaningless insults that is?

Extreme Floatzel
7th December 2010, 9:01 PM
Lizzi- Looks more like psycic and dragon IMO :)

bothie
7th December 2010, 10:38 PM
I can start spriting once I get my tablet. Which is hopefully soon. Until than, I can help with ideas, and concepts.

I really like the snake WIPs.

As for the ice wolf chain, I have some concepts if you wish to see. :)

So do we, or do we not have ideas/concepts for starters? If not, I would love to wip something up.

Pheonyx
7th December 2010, 10:50 PM
Hey guys, another FourthBeat recruit here to help.

Anyway, I'm a bit busy at the moment, so I won't get a lot of spriting done for another week or two, but I can work on some design sketches. I looked on the front page and really liked the idea of the chess set Pokemon, so unless someone is already working on that, that's what I'll be working on.

-Raiga-
7th December 2010, 10:51 PM
I can start spriting once I get my tablet. Which is hopefully soon. Until than, I can help with ideas, and concepts.

Just out of curiousity, why do you need a tablet for spriting? I think my wrist would be broken if I used a tablet for each individual pixel on a sprite I've done.


So do we, or do we not have ideas/concepts for starters? If not, I would love to wip something up.

Regardless of whether we do or not, I think its safe to say we can always pick the best ones. Even if not, just a little tweaking would be necessary to make it a stand-alone line.

FourthBeat
7th December 2010, 10:51 PM
We're more than happy to take suggestions, Bothie. Even if they don't end up being our starters, if the idea is great it can be reworked to make fit for the Dex. (:

As for Pumula1, I think it's fine as it is. Sure, it has a bit of a legendary feel to it, but lots of Pokemon do. Were you planning any pre-evolutions for it?

As for the ice wolf/husky, I've got the designs covered I think.

Aaand yaaay Pheo! I'm glad you came : D

-Raiga-
7th December 2010, 11:18 PM
As for Pumula1, I think it's fine as it is. Sure, it has a bit of a legendary feel to it, but lots of Pokemon do. Were you planning any pre-evolutions for it?

Yes, I'm having trouble coming up with a GOOD idea for it, but a pre-evo is certainly planned. The only decent idea I've come up so far, at least in my opinion, is given that pumula1 has that checkered flag design consisting of the trademark black and white colors, that the pre-evo be some type of referee, which of course usually have shirts consisting of black and white bars. Unsure of how it would work, but could make for a nice transition into pumula1 if done correctly.

My main problem has just been that I dislike greatly when you can tell a pokemon is practically made just to be lesser version of the pokemon its leading into(ie, riolu>lucario, riolu just gets more of what it already has).

But basically I'm just trying to get either that done, or the sprite of pumula1 done, because there has already been way too much discussing about it than need be in my opinion.

bothie
7th December 2010, 11:23 PM
Well what I do, is I sketch a pixel drawing than remove the un-needed pixels. Using a tablet is the best way to go, for me.

Okay. Could I shoot out some ideas for starters?

EDIT: Haha, late post !! :3

Umm..

For a fire starter what do you think about a koala/opossum? Grass could be a tapir? Water platypus/fish?

FourthBeat
7th December 2010, 11:33 PM
Ooh, you mostly see Grass Pandas so a fire variant would be a nice change perhaps. The Platypus is also an interesting concept potentially. Tapirs are kinda scary in my opinion xD

I just got struck by inspiration, since a while back I think someone mentioned a Christmas Tree. Grass/Electric with lightbulb hands? : D
http://www.iaza.com/work/101208C/iaza19433996563100.png
Totally rough pixel work, if anyone has suggestions or wants to take over, please do. I'm not too keen on it xD

bothie
7th December 2010, 11:36 PM
I love it! BTW It was myself who mentioned it earlier. I am glad you are fond of my ideas. x3 Umm, I am sure we can make a Tapir look cute! Haha.

If I may, could I attempt at working on the Christmas tree sprite?

FourthBeat
7th December 2010, 11:46 PM
Please do! Take as much creative control as you want xD I just felt like spriting some curvey branch type things and little coloured lightbulbs at the end as hands. Do whatever you like! C:

Emptiness
7th December 2010, 11:47 PM
Uhm, hai. :> I'm yet another FourthBeat recruit. (Remorse, if you couldn't already tell from the emo username :V)

SO UH today I conveniently had this idea for a sprite.

Basically, the idea behind this guy is that it's like a little ghost that possesses clothes. :> He's just a little black orb with a tail and extend-able claw things that he uses to grab on to the things he's possessing. (I guess it's not a very ghostly way of possessing things... 'A') Anywayyy, I decided to make a lineart of him. I would love to hear any suggestions on color choice/idea behind the sprite/whatever else about it.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e238/lkappes/Clothedpossessorsprite.png

Thoughts? If anybody can sprite it better, feel free.

FourthBeat
8th December 2010, 12:01 AM
: D I want to put a little knit toque on his head and cuddle. Thanks for joining in, Emofriend<3 It looks really cool as it is. Red, blue, and black look nice together. I'd say do it!

EDIT: Updated second post with updated version of Puprim (waiting on Shiny) and Bomble. I'm working on a shiny Bomble right now x3

EDIT2:
http://www.iaza.com/work/101208C/iaza19433955905800.gif

Emptiness
8th December 2010, 12:32 AM
Alright, I tried shading my sprite.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e238/lkappes/clothedpossessorspritetrans.gif
:> Any suggestions to make it better?

And I like the shiny Bomble. Yellow/Blue is an amazing color combo. :3
Plus the thing was just so darn cute to start with

FourthBeat
8th December 2010, 1:27 AM
I love Bomble so much : D Yoshi did a good job turning Kojiro's adorable drawing into a sprite :33 Looking forward to the evolution.

I quite like the Clothesghost. Clost? Ghloset? Clowthing? Closess? Ghothes? xD

We need some in-depth info to be done for Bomble and Puprim since they're finished. :3

BynineB
8th December 2010, 1:41 AM
Alright, I tried shading my sprite.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e238/lkappes/clothedpossessorspritetrans.gif
:> Any suggestions to make it better?

First of all, this sprite needs a proper lightsource. Right now light is hitting it from every which way, especially noticable on the tail. Speaking of the tail, it thins, then thickens, which makes it look lumpy and uneven.

This is more of a personal note, but the design also really bores me. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a black spirit with two small white eyes wearing articles of clothing. It's a design that's been done to death. While this sprite is quite nice except for the points above, I'd reccomend adding some pizazz to the main body, because right now it doesn't look like a Pokemon. Maybe make the main body based on some animal, or mythical spirit..

http://i56.*******.com/nb4xhz.png

baa?

Murky_Night
8th December 2010, 1:43 AM
Empitness-I think that sprite is excellent, it really made a difference shading it. I don't think there is really anything to make it better. It's a good idea to. But I'm not a professional on sprites, but it shows me that the average person who knows nothing about sprites would like it.

I know you guys are all focusing on fakemon, but can I make a few geographical suggestions?

-A Pokemon cemetery at the edge of a town or city, unlike previous regions this area is not a tower and is completely outside. This cemetery should have two parts, (by the way, I'm not sure if this has been in 5th gen)
PART1: A clean, bright, and respected cemetery with lots of people visiting graves
PART2: A dark, old, and creepy cemetery with wild ghost pokemon lurking in the fog.

-A Volcanic island, much different from Cinnabar, this island should be very far off and filled with jungle vegetation. This island is filled with dragon pokemon, in the center of the island is the volcano. You should be able to make your way up the volcano and even hang around the caldera.

-A pokemon magic shop. This would be located in one of the major cities. Here you should be able to buy all sorts of fake items. These fake items could be related to magic tricks or pranks. In back however, is a witch that makes magic potions for your pokemon to drink. What these potions do.....don't know yet.

-A mountain block. On the route towards a city, a mountain could block it. How to get over it? Take Ski-lift up to the top of the mountain of course. The ski-lift drops you off at the top. On the peak is a small area, about the size of a small town, filled with snow and ice type pokemon. At the other side of the mountain peak is another Ski-lift, this one takes you down to a city.

those are some ideas i have, tell me what y'all think.

FourthBeat
8th December 2010, 1:55 AM
Maybe instead of taking a ski-lift down (since, y'know, that's kinda not what a lift is xD) you could pay some sort of fee (50 PokeYen?) to slide down. Think like Magnet Train in design, you just get on, see a little animation, and then get off?

Good points on the lightsource and the body. As for your own sprite, I think maybe changing the legs would be advantageous since it honestly looks like a green Mareep with a new head. If you're talking about "done to death" idea, a grass sheep. Jazz it up! Right now it lends itself really well to Rock or Ground type as well, its face looks like a rock. These are all just suggestions, it's just a little bland and fairly stylized. oh, there should also be more of a shadow on the right because of the head. :3

BynineB
8th December 2010, 2:19 AM
http://i52.*******.com/fnh1qw.png

Almost forgot to change the design to The Vegetable Lamb of Tartary... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetable_Lamb_of_Tartary) Now I should hope it's a little more creative.

Emptiness
8th December 2010, 2:50 AM
Alright, thanks for the criticism, BynineB. :>

I tried to make the sprite better, and ended up with a couple different versions. I ended up trying to base it slightly on Datsue-Ba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datsue-ba), a Japanese mythological spirit who steals the clothes of those trying to cross into the afterlife. Unfortunately, she's a human, so it was hard to implement her into the sprite. I ended up just using the golden headband that she is shown to have. I also tried to make it look rather mean, since she appeared to be rather mean. :V
http://www.iaza.com/work/101208C/iaza16465185506500.png
Far left: Golden headbands from Datsue-Ba, with blue markings to represent the river that she spent all day sitting by.
Middle: Slightly edited original. Mainly just shading differences.
Far right: Golden headbands, no blue markings.

So... Which one looks best? What could I change about them? (Any ideas to add 'pizazz' to the body would be greatly appreciated)

BynineB
8th December 2010, 2:54 AM
Far better, Emptiness. If you made the face look more like that of Datsue-Ba (especially the eyes), it would be fantastic. Good job!

Murky_Night
8th December 2010, 2:56 AM
posted by Fourthbeat
Maybe instead of taking a ski-lift down (since, y'know, that's kinda not what a lift is xD) you could pay some sort of fee (50 PokeYen?) to slide down. Think like Magnet Train in design, you just get on, see a little animation, and then get off?
yeah, I couldn't remember the word but Ski-lift was closest i could remember. but yeah i imagined the little character get in the cart, you see a little bit of the cart going up, then you at the peak.

Murky_Night
8th December 2010, 2:59 AM
posted by Fourthbeat
Maybe instead of taking a ski-lift down (since, y'know, that's kinda not what a lift is xD) you could pay some sort of fee (50 PokeYen?) to slide down. Think like Magnet Train in design, you just get on, see a little animation, and then get off?
yeah, I couldn't remember the word but Ski-lift was closest i could remember. but yeah i imagined the little character get in the cart, you see a little bit of the cart going up, then you at the peak.

Emptiness-I think the best is the far right. I think the blue on the far left is a little to dark.

Murky_Night
8th December 2010, 3:00 AM
posted by Fourthbeat
Maybe instead of taking a ski-lift down (since, y'know, that's kinda not what a lift is xD) you could pay some sort of fee (50 PokeYen?) to slide down. Think like Magnet Train in design, you just get on, see a little animation, and then get off?
yeah, I couldn't remember the word but Ski-lift was closest i could remember. but yeah i imagined the little character get in the cart, you see a little bit of the cart going up, then you at the peak.

Emptiness-I think the best is the far right. I think the blue on the far left is a little to dark.

Emptiness
8th December 2010, 3:12 AM
Alright, here's what I have at the moment.
http://www.iaza.com/work/101208C/iaza16465132924400.png
... It is proving to be challenging making the eyes look like Datsue-Ba's. D:
Any ideas on how to make them look better?

Shadow Wolf 10
8th December 2010, 3:23 AM
Might as well help out here...
http://i53.*******.com/14l7cy.gif
Yoshi, a couple pages back you mentioned that you were trying to think of a pokemon that could be found in ruins and such right? Is something like this what you were look for? Just a note, there's four of them because I couldn't decide what form/color I liked best. Anyone, feel free to make any changes you see fit and whatnot.

http://i51.*******.com/xf9kb7.gif
Also, instead of making a snowball that evolve into a yeti, how about just ball of fluff that looks like snow, kinda. Reminds of Kuriboh from yugioh tho.

And an idea for the fire starter, someone said something about a Fire typed ram and the possibility of having its secondary type be Dark. If we do go for this, the final evo could be based off of some satanic goat because goats are normally associated with satan. Not really the most favorable idea, but meh...

FourthBeat
8th December 2010, 3:35 AM
Lamb-tree? Love it. Really unique.

Nobody do Shiny Puprim apparently it's being redone xD

Remor--... Err, Emptiness, maybe if you redid the head and made it more human-ish like the the Datsu-ba?

SW10 from Neo? : D I like the Fluffy snowball. Maybe if there was a happy medium? I mean, Swinub doesn't look icy at all, but it is. What about a fluffy boddy with little snowball hands? Or snow hair? :3 Good thinking. I really like the skull thing. I like the bottom row better I think, is it based off of anything in particular or just a skull with a little body and legs?

Satanic Houndoom caused a lot of controversy, so it might not be the best route for a starter, since they're generally the mascot for the region. Generally.

Working on Huskora, the Husky :3

evolutionrex
8th December 2010, 3:45 AM
I got an idea for the region's professor: Professor Pom is a female professor who's main pokemon is the chow-chow fakemon. She gives you the starters.

Shadow Wolf 10
8th December 2010, 3:54 AM
SW10 from Neo? : D I like the Fluffy snowball. Maybe if there was a happy medium? I mean, Swinub doesn't look icy at all, but it is. What about a fluffy boddy with little snowball hands? Or snow hair? :3

I'm not really getting what you're saying, maybe you could elaborate a little more?
And yes it is I from Neo.


Comments in bold

Lucario9
8th December 2010, 4:08 AM
Shiny version of the dog Pokemon thing who's name I can't remember will be up soon. I also had a Bomble, but I guess I was too late.

Exxmaniac
8th December 2010, 4:12 AM
Ohai. I was watching this thread for a while, and I thought that I want to join.
(I BLAME FOURTHBEAT)
Even though I can't scratch a complete pokemon, I can do REALLY heavy fusing with some scratching.
http://i678.photobucket.com/albums/vv142/Exxmaniac/Tratsbag.pnghttp://i678.photobucket.com/albums/vv142/Exxmaniac/Gatallmo.png
So am I good enough?

Exxmaniac
8th December 2010, 4:15 AM
Ohai. I was watching this thread for a while, and I thought that I want to join.
(I BLAME FOURTHBEAT)
Even though I can't scratch a complete pokemon, I can do REALLY heavy fusing with some scratching.
http://i678.photobucket.com/albums/vv142/Exxmaniac/Tratsbag.pnghttp://i678.photobucket.com/albums/vv142/Exxmaniac/Gatallmo.png
So am I good enough?

EDIT: sorry for the double post. -_-'

^^Yoshinichi^^
8th December 2010, 4:15 AM
I just want to know, did anyone see my drawing of Freyass? Just wondering.
I saw Freyass. It looks pretty bland to me right now, though. It could definitely use a more "Pokemon" design, because right now it looked rather bland and uninteresting.

(hehe FB, you got me) I have a few Psychic/Flying Types I'd love to give here (if not their sprites, at least their ideas).
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1276/72779910.gif
I'm really excited to get to work with everyone here, um... random woot?
I like the general concept of them, but to make them have a Pokemon feel they may have to be changed design-wise. Look at Meganium and other similar Pokemon for inspiration on how to do that, perhaps. The thing is with this community Fakedex(this is directed at everyone, heh), is that we'll be helping each other produce convincing Fakemon that look like the real deal, so we can fool a casual observer. This is why studying real Pokemon for inspiration is crucial, as it can help you get inspired. Just make sure they don't look too similar. ;P

I suppose so, the only things I have to mention about these statement are I personally wouldn't want to pumula1(guys, keep in mind it may be a temporary name) to be a legendary, so maybe I should tone down some of the aspects if it appears that way. Also, I already consider the thing on its face to be a visor, unless there is something I'm missing?

And people, calm down, michael jackson has EVERY right to be as mad as he is. There was NO basis whatsoever for evolutionrex to call him a troll when all he was doing was contributing, the only thing he did was give a small amount of crit that could have been better.



HOWEVER, THIS, this I have a big problem with. Ever wonder why despite being only able to draw stick figures, someone in the same grade or class as you can judge your art, and say maybe its not as good as the van gogh's and salvador dahli's? Its because no matter the skill level of someone, any time they attempt to do anything, whether its a stick figure or the mona lisa, they are trying to do something specific, complete a specific vision, and ANYONE with eyes can deduce that maybe they didn't complete that the vision the way they assume the person was trying.

So next time, if someone's art so bad to you its ridiculous, wouldn't it be VERY easy for someone of your stature to give them crit, instead of the meaningless insults that is?
Yeah, I don't think Pumula1 should be a legendary, either. I was just telling you the vibe it gave me. Don't think you have to change its design much. There's tons of Pokemon out there that give this Legendary vibe, even though they're regular Pokemon, such as Lucario and Blaziken and Garchomp.

Good luck with the pre-evolution. I know how tough it can be sometimes to design them. The referee idea sounds pretty neat. Maybe you could work in some sort of light on its head?


I can start spriting once I get my tablet. Which is hopefully soon. Until than, I can help with ideas, and concepts.

I really like the snake WIPs.

As for the ice wolf chain, I have some concepts if you wish to see. :)

So do we, or do we not have ideas/concepts for starters? If not, I would love to wip something up.
We don't have any concepts for starters yet. I think we really need to put a lot of thought into them and come up with some clever, powerful designs. We need to make it hard for the viewer to decide what starter to choose, and they all should give off a different vibe. Like how Oshawott is a serious-looking rookie, Snivy is a cool-looking tough guy, and Tepig is the happy-looking sidekick.


Hey guys, another FourthBeat recruit here to help.

Anyway, I'm a bit busy at the moment, so I won't get a lot of spriting done for another week or two, but I can work on some design sketches. I looked on the front page and really liked the idea of the chess set Pokemon, so unless someone is already working on that, that's what I'll be working on.
Go ahead and design the chess pieces! I wish you luck with them. It's fine if you only do some drawings. Oh, and that's about 6 chess pieces all together, I think. Feel free to cut down on the family if you think it's too much. I think it's fine with just four.



Ooh, you mostly see Grass Pandas so a fire variant would be a nice change perhaps. The Platypus is also an interesting concept potentially. Tapirs are kinda scary in my opinion xD

I just got struck by inspiration, since a while back I think someone mentioned a Christmas Tree. Grass/Electric with lightbulb hands? : D
http://www.iaza.com/work/101208C/iaza19433996563100.png
Totally rough pixel work, if anyone has suggestions or wants to take over, please do. I'm not too keen on it xD
The Christmas Tree is definitely looking good! I like how it has light-bulbs for hands. Maybe you could turn it's feet into sort of tree trunk roots? And you could turn the eyes into bulb-shaped yellow eyes, but not literal bulbs.


: D I want to put a little knit toque on his head and cuddle. Thanks for joining in, Emofriend<3 It looks really cool as it is. Red, blue, and black look nice together. I'd say do it!

EDIT: Updated second post with updated version of Puprim (waiting on Shiny) and Bomble. I'm working on a shiny Bomble right now x3

EDIT2:
http://www.iaza.com/work/101208C/iaza19433955905800.gif
Shiny Bomble looks great! You're pretty good at recolouring, Beat.

Empitness-I think that sprite is excellent, it really made a difference shading it. I don't think there is really anything to make it better. It's a good idea to. But I'm not a professional on sprites, but it shows me that the average person who knows nothing about sprites would like it.

I know you guys are all focusing on fakemon, but can I make a few geographical suggestions?

-A Pokemon cemetery at the edge of a town or city, unlike previous regions this area is not a tower and is completely outside. This cemetery should have two parts, (by the way, I'm not sure if this has been in 5th gen)
PART1: A clean, bright, and respected cemetery with lots of people visiting graves
PART2: A dark, old, and creepy cemetery with wild ghost pokemon lurking in the fog.

-A Volcanic island, much different from Cinnabar, this island should be very far off and filled with jungle vegetation. This island is filled with dragon pokemon, in the center of the island is the volcano. You should be able to make your way up the volcano and even hang around the caldera.

-A pokemon magic shop. This would be located in one of the major cities. Here you should be able to buy all sorts of fake items. These fake items could be related to magic tricks or pranks. In back however, is a witch that makes magic potions for your pokemon to drink. What these potions do.....don't know yet.

-A mountain block. On the route towards a city, a mountain could block it. How to get over it? Take Ski-lift up to the top of the mountain of course. The ski-lift drops you off at the top. On the peak is a small area, about the size of a small town, filled with snow and ice type pokemon. At the other side of the mountain peak is another Ski-lift, this one takes you down to a city.

those are some ideas i have, tell me what y'all think.
All the ideas sound pretty neat. I love the magic shop particularily. Maybe this is where you would buy the bitter herbs as well as a new herbal version of the "Wonder Drugs". She could also sell the Spell Tag and various other ghostly items.

http://i52.*******.com/fnh1qw.png

Almost forgot to change the design to The Vegetable Lamb of Tartary... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetable_Lamb_of_Tartary) Now I should hope it's a little more creative.
It's creative, but it's not creative at the same time. It terms out Elfuun, the cotton sheep Pokemon, is kind of based on the same concept. So, if you'd like to keep the concept, we'll need to make it look less bland so that it feels alive and unique, heh. Maybe the stalk could be the actual Pokemon and the sheep is a decoy? It could be a carnivorous plant. [/crappy idea]

Alright, here's what I have at the moment.
http://www.iaza.com/work/101208C/iaza16465132924400.png
... It is proving to be challenging making the eyes look like Datsue-Ba's. D:
Any ideas on how to make them look better?

Well, you could make the eyes pointed like on Skorupi, so the eyes look like glasses. You could give it a wisp of hair too, since it's a ghostly being.

I really love the little skull guy and fuzzy snowball. He doesn't look too much like Kuriboh. I think skull dude's shading needs to be fixed up, but otherwise it's a solid design.

And now I have to edit the first post with two day's worth of ideas and sprites. xP

FourthBeat
8th December 2010, 4:25 AM
Everybody is good enough : D Welcome aboard. If you read through and saw any ideas that appeal to you, go ahead and start them! Honestly, if it's done really well fusions are just fine x3

Huskora in progress:
http://www.iaza.com/work/101208C/iaza19433949514700.png

-Raiga-
8th December 2010, 4:40 AM
Everybody is good enough : D Welcome aboard. If you read through and saw any ideas that appeal to you, go ahead and start them! Honestly, if it's done really well fusions are just fine x3

Huskora in progress:
http://www.iaza.com/work/101208C/iaza19433949514700.png

I realize its a work in progress, but I already feel some of the facial features could be changed/exaggerated a little more. Right now its face is just that of a normal dog/wolf.

Innocent Bystander
8th December 2010, 4:40 AM
A sprite for -Raiga-'s Pumula1. I'm pretty sure he said people were welcome to have a go at spriting it, so yeah. http://www.iaza.com/work/101208C/iaza18390817482000.gif
I'm not too happy with the face.

As well as a WIP for Evolutionrex's castle dragon idea.
http://www.iaza.com/work/101208C/iaza18390892678100.gif

And to top it off, an idea for this region's pikachu.
http://www.iaza.com/work/101208C/iaza18390891084000.gif
A cotton ball. Also a WIP. Is this usable?

Sorry if this came out a bit pushy.

FourthBeat
8th December 2010, 4:46 AM
That castle is sex on my eyes.

As for Huskora's head, like you said, still WIP. It's going to have some markings and such, maybe a gem on its forehead. :3

Puffball is cute, don't see it as a Pikachu though since those tend to be rodents? It could totally be the Yeti pre-evolution though. Like you said though, WIP. Hard to make judgments.

Korobooshi Kojiro
8th December 2010, 4:51 AM
Hmm, if it wasn't for the character limit, "Warudrobe" would make an awesome Japanese name for the coat-rack ghost.

Anyway, for the Ram Starter, why go the devil route? Make it a literal black sheep, and make it a punk-like Pokemon. Its black wool coat could resemble the classic leather "greaser" coat, and when it gets pumped in battle, a fire-shaped emblem appears on its wool coat to further the motif of a classic badass punk.

I think Lamburn/Memera (me-me, the sound a sheep makes, plus mera, fire) would be a pretty fitting name.

evolutionrex
8th December 2010, 5:07 AM
A sprite for -Raiga-'s Pumula1. I'm pretty sure he said people were welcome to have a go at spriting it, so yeah. http://www.iaza.com/work/101208C/iaza18390817482000.gif
I'm not too happy with the face.

As well as a WIP for Evolutionrex's castle dragon idea.
http://www.iaza.com/work/101208C/iaza18390892678100.gif

And to top it off, an idea for this region's pikachu.
http://www.iaza.com/work/101208C/iaza18390891084000.gif
A cotton ball. Also a WIP. Is this usable?

Sorry if this came out a bit pushy.
I love the dragon/castle one :D

The cotton ball idea is sort of used. Mareep, Flaafy, and Apharos.

New Pokemon ideas:
-A fighting type kangaroo pokemon.
-A pokemon that is based off of cupid, normal type.
-A grass/fighting type monkey pokemon.
-A water/ground type globe pokemon.
-A pokemon based of a pyromaniac, fire/dark type.
-A ghost/dark pokemon based of a burglar.
-A dragon type komodo dragon pokemon.
-A steel/ground type pokemon based off a shovel, that evolves into a pokemon based off a drill, which then evolves into a pokemon based off a jack-hammer.
-An electric type light-bulb pokemon.

^^Yoshinichi^^
8th December 2010, 5:09 AM
Hmm, if it wasn't for the character limit, "Warudrobe" would make an awesome Japanese name for the coat-rack ghost.

Anyway, for the Ram Starter, why go the devil route? Make it a literal black sheep, and make it a punk-like Pokemon. Its black wool coat could resemble the classic leather "greaser" coat, and when it gets pumped in battle, a fire-shaped emblem appears on its wool coat to further the motif of a classic badass punk.

I think Lamburn/Memera (me-me, the sound a sheep makes, plus mera, fire) would be a pretty fitting name.

I see what you did there, Mr.Rumour starter. ;P Would you be alright if we made your fake Pokemon rumours a reality? I love your idea for Memera, and I think I'd be up for designing it myself. Hopefully we can get two different people to design the other starters so they can all have a different feel. We have a lot of lamb-based Pokemon though, so I'm kind of worries about that. What to do?

Also, here's a little teaser for you wondering what'll happen to Puprim and its evolution. Let's just say they'll grow to have much larger significance...

Innocent Bystander
8th December 2010, 5:26 AM
New Pokemon ideas:
-A fighting type kangaroo pokemon.
-A pokemon that is based off of cupid, normal type.
-A grass/fighting type monkey pokemon.
-A water/ground type globe pokemon.
-A pokemon based of a pyromaniac, fire/dark type.
-A ghost/dark pokemon based of a burglar.
-A dragon type komodo dragon pokemon.
-A steel/ground type pokemon based off a shovel, that evolves into a pokemon based off a drill, which then evolves into a pokemon based off a jack-hammer.
-An electric type light-bulb pokemon.

I wouldn't mind having a go at a few of those.

FourthBeat
8th December 2010, 6:38 AM
If we're looking for people to take starters and their evolution lines, I'm happy to take one. Preferably not grass x3; For water, how about a Tuatara? It's a lizard-like reptile from New Zealand. It's very spiky and are "regarded as messengers of Whiro, the god of death and disaster". Dark or Ghost as secondary type?

evolutionrex
8th December 2010, 6:54 AM
If we're looking for people to take starters and their evolution lines, I'm happy to take one. Preferably not grass x3; For water, how about a Tuatara? It's a lizard-like reptile from New Zealand. It's very spiky and are "regarded as messengers of Whiro, the god of death and disaster". Dark or Ghost as secondary type?
Well, they've already done an alligator, so i think a lizard wouldn't be very creative. What about a two legged dolphin starter pokemon that is water/fighting?

^^Yoshinichi^^
8th December 2010, 7:01 AM
If we're looking for people to take starters and their evolution lines, I'm happy to take one. Preferably not grass x3; For water, how about a Tuatara? It's a lizard-like reptile from New Zealand. It's very spiky and are "regarded as messengers of Whiro, the god of death and disaster". Dark or Ghost as secondary type?

That sounds like an excellent idea, Kyle! Although that reminded me how there hasn't been a marine iguana Pokemon yet, which would be more fitting. I guess I'll work on Memera's design tonight, but I won't sprite it. Puprim's evolution is giving me trouble. ]: I could try the revamp of Puprim soon. Again, I'm sorry for not having any sprites to show recently.

I'll be putting all our sprite drafts in one image, if that's fine with everybody.

FourthBeat
8th December 2010, 7:09 AM
Perfectly fine :33

As for creativity, it's hard to be creative when it comes to Water-dwelling creatures that can also travel on land. All of the water starters have followed that pattern, so a dolphin doesn't work unfortunately. I think the lizard could be interesting, it'd be more like Sceptile than Feraligatr.

evolutionrex
8th December 2010, 7:21 AM
Perfectly fine :33

As for creativity, it's hard to be creative when it comes to Water-dwelling creatures that can also travel on land. All of the water starters have followed that pattern, so a dolphin doesn't work unfortunately. I think the lizard could be interesting, it'd be more like Sceptile than Feraligatr.
wasn't mudkip based on a fish? In my opinion, they already did a reptile for each starter (Chamander, Totadile, and treeko) and it bugs me to make another lizard for the water type, even though crocodiles aren't really lizards. I don't even see why we need to stick with the "water starters have to be based on animals that live on land and water" rule. I think if anything we should do some type of fully-aquatic creature that has characteristics of a land animal. (Gible, for example.) I think that's the way to go. If we just try to keep it as land and water dwellers then we are limited, making us come up with unoriginal ideas. I just think making a lizard would seem uncreative. If you did a snake, a frog, even a dinosaur, it could work better but lizards and crocodiles have to much in common for the average person.

FourthBeat
8th December 2010, 7:34 AM
The idea of the starter is that it can travel with you from the very beginning. Is a tadpole or goldfish very capable of following you and helping you out in the grass? No. That's why the water starters are always lamd-and-water dwelling creatures. A Tuatara technically isn't even a lizard, by the way. If you google a Lizard and a Crocodile there is hardly any relation. Scaly skin, really. A crocodile is fierce and dangerous, a lizard is small and quick and much less of a threat at first glance. The Tuatara could technically work for a Grass starter, too. I just think that sending little tadpole or little goldfish into battle doesn't work as a starter. Oh, and I believe Mudkip was a stylized mudpuppy.

Here's a little drawing I did before I saw your post.

http://www.iaza.com/work/101208C/iaza19433914233600.png
Please don't mind the fact that I use MS Paint to draw with. XD

evolutionrex
8th December 2010, 7:46 AM
The idea of the starter is that it can travel with you from the very beginning. Is a tadpole or goldfish very capable of following you and helping you out in the grass? No. That's why the water starters are always lamd-and-water dwelling creatures. A Tuatara technically isn't even a lizard, by the way. If you google a Lizard and a Crocodile there is hardly any relation. Scaly skin, really. A crocodile is fierce and dangerous, a lizard is small and quick and much less of a threat at first glance. The Tuatara could technically work for a Grass starter, too. I just think that sending little tadpole or little goldfish into battle doesn't work as a starter. Oh, and I believe Mudkip was a stylized mudpuppy.

Here's a little drawing I did before I saw your post.

http://www.iaza.com/work/101208C/iaza19433914233600.png
Please don't mind the fact that I use MS Paint to draw with. XD
It defiantly can't be used as a grass starter, you can't argue that there hasn't been a lizard for the grass starters.

^^Yoshinichi^^
8th December 2010, 7:54 AM
Evolutionrex, come on now. They've used a reptile for ever Grass starter, for Charmander, and for Totodile. As long as the starter doesn't look like a rip-off of any of the previous ones, it's fine. Look at Chimchar. Now look at Hihidaruma and Baoppu. Three seperate fire ape families, and they all look different. I think we should have a Water lizard, myself. The Pokemon itself looks kind of like Charmander on four-legs, though. So I'd work on that. Heh.

Michael Jackson
8th December 2010, 8:30 AM
http://i51.*******.com/2mx1gmh.jpg



Unnamed Grass/Flying pixie done on Photoshop.

Spherical Ice
8th December 2010, 8:49 AM
Amazing work MJ, and for the water starter, why not a wizard-based Pok&#233;mon? I know we've got the Abra family but I think we could deviate away from it enough.

Lizzi
8th December 2010, 1:22 PM
Thanks for the advise, I'll get to re-working those later today. I've got another concept that I started yesterday, a fire (maybe ground) Goat thing.
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3687/10919877.gif
I'm not 100&#37; on the shading yet, I'm still trying to get into the fifth gen style, but it'll come in time I suppose.

Lizzi
8th December 2010, 1:22 PM
Thanks for the advise, I'll get to re-working those later today. I've got another concept that I started yesterday, a fire (maybe ground) Goat thing.
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3687/10919877.gif
I'm not 100% on the shading yet, I'm still trying to get into the fifth gen style, but it'll come in time I suppose.

Korobooshi Kojiro
8th December 2010, 2:24 PM
I think a Dolphin Starter could work.

It's already a mammal, so stretching it out to be able to breathe on land wouldn't be as big of a stretch. And maybe give it some reptilian-like characteristics to make it able to walk on land, and I'd think it would work okay.

noobiess
8th December 2010, 4:13 PM
I just wanted to say I saw that fakemon before,
here is the link: http://skittycassie.deviantart.com/art/fakemon-grass-bird-171543219?q=&qo=
so do'nt think it's michael jaskon's idea (wow weard to say that XD)

Spherical Ice
8th December 2010, 4:49 PM
Noobiess, look at the comments on that page.

Michael Jackson
8th December 2010, 5:21 PM
I can provide proof that the artwork in question was entirely my work. That user has stolen my art. Plagiarism is quite common on dA, I shall get around to getting the stolen artwork removed soon.

CaptainCombusken
8th December 2010, 7:15 PM
I love the dragon/castle one :D

New Pokemon ideas:.
-A grass/fighting type monkey pokemon.
-A dragon type komodo dragon pokemon.

Like the ideas, the Monkeys should be lemurs though. They've basically never been used and would make a great Pokemon. Vine for a tail, por ejemplo.

Not just Dragon type, Dragon/Poison type Komodo dragon. Just a Standalone like Crimgan. Komodo dragons have some nasty venomous bites.
---
Ok then, I have made some sprites for y'all.

Number one, is a Cheerful Puppy Pokemon based off a Spaniel. I love this sprite so much. Plus, there's no harm in having two Dog Pokemon, especially seeing as the Chow-Chow and this don't look much alike.
Chuppy:
http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo66/Proby3/iaza13054860219500.gif
NORMAL type.

Number two, we also need a Cat pokemon. Most past Cat Pokemon have been either cheerful and cute or slightly evil. I went for the cute look with this sleeping 'mon. Plus, tiger stripes because his evo will be Tiger based.
Kitute:
http://www.iaza.com/work/101209C/iaza13054893937200.gif
NORMAL type.

Number three, a new favourite sprite of mine. Based off swords, Bladarp:
Please note that the sword part of it isn't shaded. I can't do blades.
http://www.iaza.com/work/101209C/iaza13054892071800.gif
STEEL type.

Finally, I know you're doing Husky Pokemon but I have another idea for a similar Pokemon; an Arctic Fox line based around the Martial art of Judo.
Foxudo:
http://www.iaza.com/work/101209C/iaza13054836844600.gif
ICE/FIGHTING type.
The purple WAS to denote where black would go, but I kinda prefer it.

Finally, the Derpfish. Herull, Herring+Dull. I evolves into an Oarfish, 'cause according to Wikipedia there's sorta related.
http://www.iaza.com/work/101209C/iaza13054853093300.gif
WATER type.

Feel Free to edit my sprites, especially shade the ones that need to be shaded.
Please don't edit Chuppy too much, and don't change bits in the design.

I'm REALLY liking the way this project is coming along. We need some kind of sprite holder soon. Just don't put me in charge of it. I meddle *looks at Raiga apologetically*.

KillingEdge
8th December 2010, 7:48 PM
I have returned with an infodrop for Bomble and a few revisions for Majestix.

First and foremost, I gave Bomble the unique Normal/Steel typing. He seems like a good candidate for it, plus if anything deserves to have STAB on Explosion, it's a bomb. He also has two unique abilities and a new attack. I'd have tried to give it more unique attacks, but Game Freak covered most of the ground with things my Bomble characterization would use.

And on that note, if Bomble does get changed, just make sure you don't make him a Fire type. Besides his sprite not looking much a Fire type to me, a BOMB being part Fire seems really self-defeating... Just my 2 cents.

Second is Majestix, whose name I've adjusted to Lucenix. Root word being lucent.

lucent (ˈluːs ə nt)

— adj
brilliant, shining, or translucent

[C16: from Latin lūcēns, present participle of lūcēre to shine]

The 'brilliant' and 'shining' parts of the definition work with Lucenix's appearance and character, and the name itself carries a more serene feel. (To my ears, at least.) It also has one more letter from phoenix than Majestix does, to address Sphere's comment to an extent.

It also has another new attack and a new stat spread to further differentiate it from Moltres. (I realized, after posting the original, that my first stat spread for it was almost a direct copy-paste of Moltres'. >_>)

- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Bomble
Type: Normal/Steel
Classification: The Tyke Bomb Pokemon

Height: 33.53 cm (1’1’’)
Weight: 23.81 kg (52.5 lbs.)

- Dex Entries -
- Bombles are rather volatile Pokemon, their bodies being easily agitated into exploding. As such, most other wild Pokemon tend to shy away from areas inhabited by Bomble packs.
- The power a Bomble can exert when it explodes is tremendous. They’re believed to have developed their powerful outer shells to protect against their exploding kin.
- Due in part to its clumsy nature, trainers who attempt to raise a Bomble need to be wary of its sudden explosions, which can be quite painful if they aren't prepared for.

- Abilities and Statistics -
Ability 1: Fuse Blast (If this Pokemon is hit by a Fire-type attack, the attacker takes half the attack’s damage in return.)
Ability 2: Volatility (When this Pokemon takes recoil damage, the foe also takes the same amount of damage.)
Base Stats: 65 HP / 70 Attack / 70 Defense / 50 Sp.Atk / 45 Sp.Def / 40 Speed (BST 340)

Egg Groups: Ground and Mineral
Gender Ratio: 50/50

EVs: 1 Attack
Catch Rate: 175

- Level-Up Attacks -
Lv--: Tackle
Lv--: Defense Curl
Lv5: Rollout
Lv11: Iron Defense
Lv18: Take Down
Lv25: Gyro Ball
Lv31: Selfdestruct
Lv38: Iron Head
Lv45: Double-Edge
Lv51: Integrity Crash
Lv58: Explosion

Integrity Crash
Type: Steel/Physical
Power/Accuracy: 130/90
Description: The user loosens its body to fly high-speed at the opponent. If it misses, the user is damaged instead.
Effect: The user takes 1/8th of their total HP as recoil if the attack misses.

- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Lucenix
Type: Fire/Flying
Classification: The Rebirth Pokemon

Height: 68.58 cm (2’3’’)
Weight: 47.04 kg (103.7 lbs)

- Dex Entries -
- It's believed that a Lucenix will appear to lend its power to a trainer who is truly devoted and willing to give their all for the sake of their Pokemon.
- The vibrant flames Lucenix summons with its attacks have remarkable properties. They will only burn Lucenix’s foes, and their colors inspire all who see them.
- Lucenix’s body overflows with life force, and as such it has amazing healing properties. Its tears can rejuvenate fellow Pokemon, while its feathers can ease human wounds.

- Abilities and Statistics -
Ability: Reawaken (Once per battle, if two of your Pokemon are fainted while Lucenix is fainted, Lucenix will be revived at 75% of its maximum health.)
Base Stats: 100 HP / 110 Attack / 85 Defense / 120 Sp.Atk / 90 Sp.Def / 95 Speed (BST 600)

Gender Ratio: Genderless

EVs: 3 Sp.Atk
Catch Rate: 3

- Level-Up Attacks -
Lv--: Fire Dance
-----
Lv--: Ember
Lv--: Gust
Lv9: Safeguard
Lv16: Wing Attack
Lv23: Incinerate
Lv30: Air Cutter
Lv37: Phoenix Blossom
Lv44: Recover
Lv51: Wind Spiral
Lv58: Air Slash
Lv65: Heat Wave
Lv72: Brave Bird
Lv79: Phoenix Tears

Phoenix Blossom
Type: Fire/Special
Power/Accuracy: 100/100
PP: 5
Description: The user unleashes a vibrant blossom of fire from its body that burns with its will to endure.
Effect: This attack also raises Lucenix’s Defense and Sp.Def stats by one stage when used.

Wind Spiral
Type: Flying/Physical
Power/Accuracy: 50/100
PP: 20
Description: The user whips up a wind to speed up and rush the opponent. The wind raises the user’s Speed.
Effect: This attack also raises Lucenix’s Speed by one stage when used.

Phoenix Tears
Type: Fire/Support
Power/Accuracy: --/100
PP: 5
Priority: +1
Description: The user cuts its HP and regenerates one of its teammates’ at the same time.
Effect: The user halves its current HP, and whichever of its teammates currently has the lowest percentage of its max HP regains 50% of its own max HP. (This move can be used on the overworld as well, with the same effect.)

Spherical Ice
8th December 2010, 8:01 PM
I think it should be a rule to not use pure black or pure white in the sprites. It'd be much easier to use black with the RGB 1,1,1 instead of 0,0,0, and for white to use 254,254,254 instead of 255,255,255. Lucenix is a lovely name, I agree is sounds very smooth n_n. Also Proby I might do some tweaking on those sprites if you don't mind o3o

Korobooshi Kojiro
8th December 2010, 8:08 PM
Yeah, Killingedge, that's pretty much what I imagined Bomble to be like. A very clumsy Pokemon who easily explodes, whereas its evolutions is a lot cooler and has control over its explosive abilities. Although...I dunno, I think Normal/Steel seems kind of an odd type. Why not make it Pure Steel, and have it gain the Fire-typing upon evolving into Bombadour since it is able to fire out fire from the cannons over its body.

Originally, it was my idea for a Coolness Pokeblock/Poffin evolution, so it actually only knew how to Selfdestruct as its only move. The challenge in catching one would be that it would always kill itself as soon as it went, so you had to try and catch it before it did that. But giving it a moveset works quite well too, and that's a nice one you made.

KillingEdge
8th December 2010, 8:24 PM
That could work better, actually. I hadn't noticed the Bombadour sketch until just now. It also means I don't have to edit Bomble's moves, since it learns exactly what it can do with its small body and stubby arms, and then Bombadour can have his own level-up learn list, like Milotic.

I think Smart makes more sense than Cool for evolving it, though, since the implication is that Bomble's overcoming its clumsiness for precision. (To that end, you should put a scope over one of Bombadour's eyes. Then it can replace the Volatility ability with Sniper when it evolves.)

As for the 'challenge in catching one', I think Beldum, and to a lesser extent Abra, have provided enough 'challenge' for one lifetime. (Assuming no Master Balls.)

Spherical Ice
8th December 2010, 8:40 PM
Proby, I've tweaked your cat Pok&#233;mon. I assume the design is supposed to lack limbs, right?
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff288/Sphericalice/Meow.png
I've corrected the jagged lines and reshaded it. I hope you don't mind me changing the colour scheme and little, and I also am not too great at recent styles so it may seem a bit FRLGRSE styled, I'm afraid :x.

CaptainCombusken
8th December 2010, 9:00 PM
Dude, it's great. Only one thing; its furry chest could do with some editing. Looks a bit awkward at the mo. Maybe putting the head lower? I dunno.
I heartily approve of the shading change, as I have frequently mentioned, I suck at it. looks so much better now.
Yes, it's meant to be a sleeping cat, who curl themselves up and hide their limbs. Their limbs would be underneath the tail here.

Anyway, great edit there. I'm really happy.

-Raiga-
8th December 2010, 10:07 PM
I can provide proof that the artwork in question was entirely my work. That user has stolen my art. Plagiarism is quite common on dA, I shall get around to getting the stolen artwork removed soon.

Frankly it doesn't really matter whether its yours or not, because isn't the point of this project that were making NEW fakemon creations for it.

I don't believe I'm alone in saying I think we already know we could go use a bunch of fakemon other artists have made, but there wouldn't be any challenge nor point in that.

Epwna is a Sceptile
8th December 2010, 10:07 PM
Okay, someone else can design the Freyass line. And I have an Idea for the grass starter. A grass cat!

Innocent Bystander
8th December 2010, 11:36 PM
Adding on to what -Raiga- said about the concept of all-new fakemon, I'm sure I've seen that cat fakemon and the dog fakemon in another region.

http://www.iaza.com/work/101209C/iaza14978220732100.gif
Evolutionrex's fire/dark idea. I'm not too fond of it, and editting is welcome.

http://www.iaza.com/work/101209C/iaza14978262504500.gif
As well as the fighting kangaroo. It looks a bit plain, so feel free to edit.
Sorry if I butchered your ideas, :D.

Murky_Night
9th December 2010, 2:04 AM
Innocent Bystander-wow, I'm sure E-rex will love those. (in case you didn't know we are twins).

I have a fakemon suggestion
-A banker-cheapskate pokemon. This pokemon would be fat and purple, it would be wearing what appears to be a suit. Its head would be nearly invisible because a really tall hat covers it. This pokemon would be Dark type and loves money

-A female Ninja pokemon, and a male Ninja pokemon. These guys could be dark/fighting type. I imagine them with blue-grey skin. The male would have a small cape and and a ski-like mask covering it's head, it would also have spiky black hair(protruding from mask). The female would also a small cape, but instead of a ski-mask she would have a cloth covering her mouth, she would have a black ponytail.

^^Yoshinichi^^
9th December 2010, 2:31 AM
http://i51.*******.com/2mx1gmh.jpg



Unnamed Grass/Flying pixie done on Photoshop.
Dude, I want you to get out. You're not Ashurasonic/Registeel DS, the man who designed that Fakemon. Now the Fakemon you posted previously are a lot less credible, and I have reason to believe you stole those, too. I think Evolutionrex is right. You're an art thief. Until you have original art that you made yourself, don't come back. I'll report you if you do.


Thanks for the advise, I'll get to re-working those later today. I've got another concept that I started yesterday, a fire (maybe ground) Goat thing.
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3687/10919877.gif
I'm not 100% on the shading yet, I'm still trying to get into the fifth gen style, but it'll come in time I suppose.
Considering I'm making Memera, the Fire starter, a Fire goat, maybe you could make it into a shaggy llama? I think we don't have any llamas yet. The design itself looks great!

I think a Dolphin Starter could work.

It's already a mammal, so stretching it out to be able to breathe on land wouldn't be as big of a stretch. And maybe give it some reptilian-like characteristics to make it able to walk on land, and I'd think it would work okay.


Like the ideas, the Monkeys should be lemurs though. They've basically never been used and would make a great Pokemon. Vine for a tail, por ejemplo.

Not just Dragon type, Dragon/Poison type Komodo dragon. Just a Standalone like Crimgan. Komodo dragons have some nasty venomous bites.
---
Ok then, I have made some sprites for y'all.

Number one, is a Cheerful Puppy Pokemon based off a Spaniel. I love this sprite so much. Plus, there's no harm in having two Dog Pokemon, especially seeing as the Chow-Chow and this don't look much alike.
Chuppy:
http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo66/Proby3/iaza13054860219500.gif
NORMAL type.

Number two, we also need a Cat pokemon. Most past Cat Pokemon have been either cheerful and cute or slightly evil. I went for the cute look with this sleeping 'mon. Plus, tiger stripes because his evo will be Tiger based.
Kitute:
http://www.iaza.com/work/101209C/iaza13054893937200.gif
NORMAL type.

Number three, a new favourite sprite of mine. Based off swords, Bladarp:
Please note that the sword part of it isn't shaded. I can't do blades.
http://www.iaza.com/work/101209C/iaza13054892071800.gif
STEEL type.

Finally, I know you're doing Husky Pokemon but I have another idea for a similar Pokemon; an Arctic Fox line based around the Martial art of Judo.
Foxudo:
http://www.iaza.com/work/101209C/iaza13054836844600.gif
ICE/FIGHTING type.
The purple WAS to denote where black would go, but I kinda prefer it.

Finally, the Derpfish. Herull, Herring+Dull. I evolves into an Oarfish, 'cause according to Wikipedia there's sorta related.
http://www.iaza.com/work/101209C/iaza13054853093300.gif
WATER type.

Feel Free to edit my sprites, especially shade the ones that need to be shaded.
Please don't edit Chuppy too much, and don't change bits in the design.

I'm REALLY liking the way this project is coming along. We need some kind of sprite holder soon. Just don't put me in charge of it. I meddle *looks at Raiga apologetically*.
Well, I was going to put all the sprites we have so far in one huge post, so it'll come eventually. I'm fond of the sword dude and the fishie most of all. I think you could make the limbs less flimsy though. They kind of look like noodles, so I'd look at some human shape Pokemon for help making the arms and legs more defined. He kind of looks like a Mega Man boss, which I like.

I have returned with an infodrop for Bomble and a few revisions for Majestix.

First and foremost, I gave Bomble the unique Normal/Steel typing. He seems like a good candidate for it, plus if anything deserves to have STAB on Explosion, it's a bomb. He also has two unique abilities and a new attack. I'd have tried to give it more unique attacks, but Game Freak covered most of the ground with things my Bomble characterization would use.

And on that note, if Bomble does get changed, just make sure you don't make him a Fire type. Besides his sprite not looking much a Fire type to me, a BOMB being part Fire seems really self-defeating... Just my 2 cents.

Second is Majestix, whose name I've adjusted to Lucenix. Root word being lucent.

lucent (ˈluːs ə nt)

— adj
brilliant, shining, or translucent

[C16: from Latin lūcēns, present participle of lūcēre to shine]

The 'brilliant' and 'shining' parts of the definition work with Lucenix's appearance and character, and the name itself carries a more serene feel. (To my ears, at least.) It also has one more letter from phoenix than Majestix does, to address Sphere's comment to an extent.

It also has another new attack and a new stat spread to further differentiate it from Moltres. (I realized, after posting the original, that my first stat spread for it was almost a direct copy-paste of Moltres'. >_>)

- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Bomble
Type: Normal/Steel
Classification: The Tyke Bomb Pokemon

Height: 33.53 cm (1’1’’)
Weight: 23.81 kg (52.5 lbs.)

- Dex Entries -
- Bombles are rather volatile Pokemon, their bodies being easily agitated into exploding. As such, most other wild Pokemon tend to shy away from areas inhabited by Bomble packs.
- The power a Bomble can exert when it explodes is tremendous. They’re believed to have developed their powerful outer shells to protect against their exploding kin.
- Due in part to its clumsy nature, trainers who attempt to raise a Bomble need to be wary of its sudden explosions, which can be quite painful if they aren't prepared for.

- Abilities and Statistics -
Ability 1: Fuse Blast (If this Pokemon is hit by a Fire-type attack, the attacker takes half the attack’s damage in return.)
Ability 2: Volatility (When this Pokemon takes recoil damage, the foe also takes the same amount of damage.)
Base Stats: 65 HP / 70 Attack / 70 Defense / 50 Sp.Atk / 45 Sp.Def / 40 Speed (BST 340)

Egg Groups: Ground and Mineral
Gender Ratio: 50/50

EVs: 1 Attack
Catch Rate: 175

- Level-Up Attacks -
Lv--: Tackle
Lv--: Defense Curl
Lv5: Rollout
Lv11: Iron Defense
Lv18: Take Down
Lv25: Gyro Ball
Lv31: Selfdestruct
Lv38: Iron Head
Lv45: Double-Edge
Lv51: Integrity Crash
Lv58: Explosion

Integrity Crash
Type: Steel/Physical
Power/Accuracy: 130/90
Description: The user loosens its body to fly high-speed at the opponent. If it misses, the user is damaged instead.
Effect: The user takes 1/8th of their total HP as recoil if the attack misses.

- General Info/Aesthetics -
Name: Lucenix
Type: Fire/Flying
Classification: The Rebirth Pokemon

Height: 68.58 cm (2’3’’)
Weight: 47.04 kg (103.7 lbs)

- Dex Entries -
- It's believed that a Lucenix will appear to lend its power to a trainer who is truly devoted and willing to give their all for the sake of their Pokemon.
- The vibrant flames Lucenix summons with its attacks have remarkable properties. They will only burn Lucenix’s foes, and their colors inspire all who see them.
- Lucenix’s body overflows with life force, and as such it has amazing healing properties. Its tears can rejuvenate fellow Pokemon, while its feathers can ease human wounds.

- Abilities and Statistics -
Ability: Reawaken (Once per battle, if two of your Pokemon are fainted while Lucenix is fainted, Lucenix will be revived at 75% of its maximum health.)
Base Stats: 100 HP / 110 Attack / 85 Defense / 120 Sp.Atk / 90 Sp.Def / 95 Speed (BST 600)

Gender Ratio: Genderless

EVs: 3 Sp.Atk
Catch Rate: 3

- Level-Up Attacks -
Lv--: Fire Dance
-----
Lv--: Ember
Lv--: Gust
Lv9: Safeguard
Lv16: Wing Attack
Lv23: Incinerate
Lv30: Air Cutter
Lv37: Phoenix Blossom
Lv44: Recover
Lv51: Wind Spiral
Lv58: Air Slash
Lv65: Heat Wave
Lv72: Brave Bird
Lv79: Phoenix Tears

Phoenix Blossom
Type: Fire/Special
Power/Accuracy: 100/100
PP: 5
Description: The user unleashes a vibrant blossom of fire from its body that burns with its will to endure.
Effect: This attack also raises Lucenix’s Defense and Sp.Def stats by one stage when used.

Wind Spiral
Type: Flying/Physical
Power/Accuracy: 50/100
PP: 20
Description: The user whips up a wind to speed up and rush the opponent. The wind raises the user’s Speed.
Effect: This attack also raises Lucenix’s Speed by one stage when used.

Phoenix Tears
Type: Fire/Support
Power/Accuracy: --/100
PP: 5
Priority: +1
Description: The user cuts its HP and regenerates one of its teammates’ at the same time.
Effect: The user halves its current HP, and whichever of its teammates currently has the lowest percentage of its max HP regains 50% of its own max HP. (This move can be used on the overworld as well, with the same effect.)
Alright, these all sound great. I know I usually don't have much to say to you, but that's because I trust your judgment and I don't worry too much about move-pools. So thank you for working hard on designing them and describing what they look like. Maybe we could add a section where it explains what the Pokemon is based off of, too.


Proby, I've tweaked your cat Pokémon. I assume the design is supposed to lack limbs, right?
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff288/Sphericalice/Meow.png
I've corrected the jagged lines and reshaded it. I hope you don't mind me changing the colour scheme and little, and I also am not too great at recent styles so it may seem a bit FRLGRSE styled, I'm afraid :x.
Kitty looks good, although for the final sprite we'll need to get rid of the white outline.

Frankly it doesn't really matter whether its yours or not, because isn't the point of this project that were making NEW fakemon creations for it.

I don't believe I'm alone in saying I think we already know we could go use a bunch of fakemon other artists have made, but there wouldn't be any challenge nor point in that.
You're rought, -Raiga-. The challenge is to try to make an all-new region, creating new sprites and forming a unique Fakedex. That is to say, I'm not sure we should use any sprites that were submitted for old regions, but I'll have some leeway as long as they're at least altered to look unique.

Innocent Bystander-wow, I'm sure E-rex will love those. (in case you didn't know we are twins).

I have a fakemon suggestion
-A banker-cheapskate pokemon. This pokemon would be fat and purple, it would be wearing what appears to be a suit. Its head would be nearly invisible because a really tall hat covers it. This pokemon would be Dark type and loves money

-A female Ninja pokemon, and a male Ninja pokemon. These guys could be dark/fighting type. I imagine them with blue-grey skin. The male would have a small cape and and a ski-like mask covering it's head, it would also have spiky black hair(protruding from mask). The female would also a small cape, but instead of a ski-mask she would have a cloth covering her mouth, she would have a black ponytail.
The cheapskate dude sounds pretty neat. I can imagine it being a greedy Pokemon that loves using Pay Day and can be sometimes found holding an Amulet Coin. Maybe it could be a standalone, and it'd have this cool monocle.

Would the ninjas be like counterparts? Because the idea of a ninja has been done to death in regions, but if we made them standout design wise or typing wise, they could be really unique and memorable. Maybe they could use different types of ninjutsu. One can use kunai and the other uses shuriken.

Adding on to what -Raiga- said about the concept of all-new fakemon, I'm sure I've seen that cat fakemon and the dog fakemon in another region.

http://www.iaza.com/work/101209C/iaza14978220732100.gif
Evolutionrex's fire/dark idea. I'm not too fond of it, and editting is welcome.

http://www.iaza.com/work/101209C/iaza14978262504500.gif
As well as the fighting kangaroo. It looks a bit plain, so feel free to edit.
Sorry if I butchered your ideas, :D.
First of all, I love the kangaroo. It's a very dynamic pose, and I love how it has a joey in its pouch like Kangaskhan. I personally think it could use some more markings, or maybe a tuft of fur or something to make it stand out.


Okay, someone else can design the Freyass line. And I have an Idea for the grass starter. A grass cat!
Grass cat's kind of a generic idea that I've see a million times. ;P I think we need to really dig deep to come up with something creative for the Grass starter, but we don't need to choose a reptile. I encourage any sort of creative ideas.

Currently working on Puprim's major redesign.

-Raiga-
9th December 2010, 3:07 AM
Dude, I want you to get out. You're not Ashurasonic/Registeel DS, the man who designed that Fakemon. Now the Fakemon you posted previously are a lot less credible, and I have reason to believe you stole those, too. I think Evolutionrex is right. You're an art thief. Until you have original art that you made yourself, don't come back. I'll report you if you do.

Right, I was for protecting mj for a while just for the fact that evolutionrex called him a troll for no apparent reason, but this is quite obviously the final nail in the coffin.

For someone with such few posts(all of which are narcissistic upon me viewing them), its odd they so willingly posted the sketched fakemon that had PERFECT line-width variation and other high-end skills, and even then posted the other fakemon with a COMPLETELY different style. Its hard to come across an artist who constantly tries to reinvent themselves, and for one to post on a thread like this with such little info is pretty ridiulous.

To be honest, I always had my suspicions, mainly due to the fact that despite them constantly telling people to accept criticism, due to his god-complex acting up it seems like he couldn't accept any criticism on his criticism.

If you ask me, he should of just stayed with that first piece of art he stole, as he did it fairly well, as it wasn't something you could just look up on dev.art, and they used a non-account based hosting site like imageshack. Even more convienent they said they could prove it was theirs, but yet provided no proof.

Of course there is the off chance I'm wrong, in which case it should take no more than a few minutes of their time to prove it so, but I just felt like posting it so hopefully they learn from it.

FourthBeat
9th December 2010, 3:10 AM
The Dex entries look great, and I love Lucenix. At first I thought of Lucifer, not Lucent, but that works really well.

Everything recently posted looks pretty good, but also kind of bland. Lacking "Pokemonification", you know? A cat, a kangaroo, nothing Pokemon-like about it.

As for a Grass Starter, what about the Fighting Lemur? I really like that idea, I can see it working well. The vine tail could eventually have thorns on it after evolution, and it can have a little grassy tuft of hair on its head? :3

As for the MJ debacle, I don't even think it's worth the time to address it. Just time to move on.

evolutionrex
9th December 2010, 3:14 AM
Dude, I want you to get out. You're not Ashurasonic/Registeel DS, the man who designed that Fakemon. Now the Fakemon you posted previously are a lot less credible, and I have reason to believe you stole those, too. I think Evolutionrex is right. You're an art thief. Until you have original art that you made yourself, don't come back. I'll report you if you do.
told you :P


Adding on to what -Raiga- said about the concept of all-new fakemon, I'm sure I've seen that cat fakemon and the dog fakemon in another region.

http://www.iaza.com/work/101209C/iaza14978220732100.gif
Evolutionrex's fire/dark idea. I'm not too fond of it, and editting is welcome.

http://www.iaza.com/work/101209C/iaza14978262504500.gif
As well as the fighting kangaroo. It looks a bit plain, so feel free to edit.
Sorry if I butchered your ideas, :D.
I love both :D especially the pyromaniac idea! Well done.

I'm going to elaborate on my Dialga/Palkia/Garitina trio. The three legendaries, that are version diferences if it was a game,are based of of the Myan culture, Egyptian culture, and ancient Europe cultures(Stone hedge is what it is based off of.) I have came up with a story line for them along withg another legendary pokemon that i came up with.

The evil team which is in every region has the goal of looking for a lost city of a great race of humans long ago, so they can sell artifacts that they find for big bucks, along with any pokemon they find along the way. The evil team is similar to Team Rocket and has no cult background, they just want money. In fact, i was thinking of Team Rocket being on of the evil team's allies.

The story of the great race goes like this: A long, long time ago, three separate races lived in the region. They all build separate worshiping centers to worship their Gods. These gods are the legendary pokemon i mentioned earlier. But, the three races kept having war with each other and the Gods became unhappy. They wanted the races to form into one peaceful civilization. The gods decided to ask their great father (Arceus) to build a new God to bring the races together.

Arceus built a new pokemon that is an ultimate legendary form of Unknown. It came from the skies and taught the three races the same language. They were finally able to talk to the other races. So since they were able to speak with each other they realized that no one wanted to fight and they all joined together to form a great civilization that ran across the entire pokemon world; they spoke the language of the unknown. But, after thousands of years the language went away and people stops praying to the gods, so the gods hid into the worship centers in which they were worship. The ultimate Unknown pokemon also left to it's own worship center that you can only get through an event.

Now, the evil team want to find the ancient worship centers and raid any expensive items. But, when they get there they find out that nothing is there, it's all empty, except for the legendary pokemon that live there. After chasing the evil team, you are able to catch the legendaries.

The Myan based pokemon is found in a dense jungle, the Egypt based pokemon is found in a desert, and the Stone hedge pokemon is found in a snowy, cold place. The ultimate legendary Unknown pokemon is found only by event, in very old ruins in a route some where. You can find wild Unknown there, but only after you get the nationaldex.

FourthBeat
9th December 2010, 3:20 AM
No offense whatsoever is meant by this. I love the idea, except for Ultimate Legendary Unown. I hate Unown. Errbody is always trying to make it better or make new forms of it or make some evolution for it or make some Ultimate Legendary form of it. It's so so so dried out. It's super unoriginal. Unown is basic, a Legendary of it is really uninspiring, to be entirely honest. I'd rather see an Ultimate Lickitung Legendary than Unown. At least he has a body and some features. Unown is just bland.

That said, other than the Unown figure, I love the storyline. These stupid new Teams all want world domination. Rocket was best because it was realistic - money. Not changing the landscape of the world, not bending the space time continuum.

evolutionrex
9th December 2010, 3:26 AM
No offense whatsoever is meant by this. I love the idea, except for Ultimate Legendary Unown. I hate Unown. Errbody is always trying to make it better or make new forms of it or make some evolution for it or make some Ultimate Legendary form of it. It's so so so dried out. It's super unoriginal. Unown is basic, a Legendary of it is really uninspiring, to be entirely honest. I'd rather see an Ultimate Lickitung Legendary than Unown. At least he has a body and some features. Unown is just bland.

That said, other than the Unown figure, I love the storyline. These stupid new Teams all want world domination. Rocket was best because it was realistic - money. Not changing the landscape of the world, not bending the space time continuum.
Really? i had no idea the Unown idea was used up. i really thought i came up with a good idea. I had never seen it before.

Well, is everybody liking the Myan, Egypt, and ancient Europe culture legendaries? I going to make some sketches of them so some one might be able to sprite them. Only if everyone likes the ideas though.

^^Yoshinichi^^
9th December 2010, 3:36 AM
So you want to know what I've been doing with Puprim? May I present to you, the Rock type Guardian Pup Pokemon, Templaum, and its Rock/Fire evolution, which isn't completely sprited yet, Aumeshi. Rock type because they are based off of the shisa statues, and Fire type due to this legend:
"At Tomimori Village near Kochinda Town in the far southern part of Okinawa, there were often many fires. The people of the area sought out Saiouzui, a Feng Shui master, to ask him why there were so many fires. He believed they were because of the power of the nearby Mt. Yaese, and suggested that the townspeople build a stone shisa to face the mountain. They did so, and thus have protected their village from fire ever since."
It was a coincidence, though. Haruka and I chose Fire type because it just felt right.
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/MrSchlapor/Project&#37;20Phoenix%20Fakedex/shepardspirits.png
Templaum is based off of the Shisa guardian dogs as well as Dog from the Momotaro legends. Momotaro was accompanied by Dog in his journey.

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/MrSchlapor/Project%20Phoenix%20Fakedex/shisa.png
Aumeshi, who is still in the process of being sprited, is based off of the Shisa fu dogs, and bears a resemblance to Seasarmon for a reason. I wanted it to have a passing resemblance.

These two will be the Riolu/Lucario for our region. I hope you guys like them as much as I do. Now, I just need to sprite both of them.

I love the idea for the evil team, although I think our main legendary duo should be something else. I'm just not fond of the idea of having legendaries based off of monuments myself. Call me old-fashioned.

evolutionrex
9th December 2010, 3:49 AM
So you want to know what I've been doing with Puprim? May I present to you, the Rock type Guardian Pup Pokemon, Templaum, and its Rock/Fire evolution, which isn't completely sprited yet, Aumeshi. Rock type because they are based off of the shisa statues, and Fire type due to this legend:
"At Tomimori Village near Kochinda Town in the far southern part of Okinawa, there were often many fires. The people of the area sought out Saiouzui, a Feng Shui master, to ask him why there were so many fires. He believed they were because of the power of the nearby Mt. Yaese, and suggested that the townspeople build a stone shisa to face the mountain. They did so, and thus have protected their village from fire ever since."
It was a coincidence, though. Haruka and I chose Fire type because it just felt right.
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/MrSchlapor/Project%20Phoenix%20Fakedex/shepardspirits.png
Templaum is based off of the Shisa guardian dogs as well as Dog from the Momotaro legends. Momotaro was accompanied by Dog in his journey.

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/MrSchlapor/Project%20Phoenix%20Fakedex/shisa.png
Aumeshi, who is still in the process of being sprited, is based off of the Shisa fu dogs, and bears a resemblance to Seasarmon for a reason. I wanted it to have a passing resemblance.

These two will be the Riolu/Lucario for our region. I hope you guys like them as much as I do. Now, I just need to sprite both of them.

I love the idea for the evil team, although I think our main legendary duo should be something else. I'm just not fond of the idea of having legendaries based off of monuments myself. Call me old-fashioned.
the thing that i don't really like is that it seems a little close the new fifth generation dog pokemon, if you look at the final evolution. But other than that i love it, although i was thinking a ground/fighting type Dingo as the lucario/zoroark pokemon. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea, but it think it's been used before.

my legendary ideas don't necessarily have to be based off of monuments, like FourthBeat posted awhile back, but more on the culture. That's not including the Stone Hedge one though. But, i think that if it's sprited right, it won't turn out stupid looking.

Exxmaniac
9th December 2010, 3:52 AM
Aww man, I was in the middle of making the fairy MJ posted and then you guys say he stole it. D:

Anyway, I've thought of a new place, the sewers, that could act as the Underground walkway thing from Kanto.
What do you think?

^^Yoshinichi^^
9th December 2010, 4:06 AM
the thing that i don't really like is that it seems a little close the new fifth generation dog pokemon, if you look at the final evolution. But other than that i love it, although i was thinking a ground/fighting type Dingo as the lucario/zoroark pokemon. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea, but it think it's been used before.

my legendary ideas don't necessarily have to be based off of monuments, like FourthBeat posted awhile back, but more on the culture. That's not including the Stone Hedge one though. But, i think that if it's sprited right, it won't turn out stupid looking.

Well, just remember the sprite itself doesn't have all the features yet, so there's not much to say yet. I know it kind of looks like Mulando, the big dog Pokemon, but I want to give it a wispy fire-fur mane so you can tell its a fire type. And yes, there's such a thing as blue fire, so I think having them blue is fine. I've been having difficulty coming up with an idea for its tail, though. Any suggestions are welcome.

Would we sort of base them off specific animals in order to show the diverse cultures of the different Legendaries? Like a Mayan looking one, an Egyptian looking one, and then the other.

Also, I love the idea for the sewer system. There could be Workers in there that you can battle every day, as well as maybe surfable water where you find stuff like Grimer, a pollution fish, Yabakuron, and the Garbage Can fakemon, who I'm gonna redesign.

evolutionrex
9th December 2010, 4:07 AM
I was bored so i messed around with Google Translate, and i came up for an idea for the region's name: Lendura. it is the combination between the Latin words Lenta, which means tough, and Dura, which means hard. so, anyone like the name Lendura?

I love the idea of a sewer system, much like the underground in Sinnoh.

Innocent Bystander
9th December 2010, 4:18 AM
Also, I love the idea for the sewer system. There could be Workers in there that you can battle every day, as well as maybe surfable water where you find stuff like Grimer, a pollution fish, Yabakuron, and the Garbage Can fakemon, who I'm gonna redesign.

We all knew this question was coming, so I might as well ask, would they house a legendary fakemon and, if so, can I design it?

Also, Lendura sounds really good.

KillingEdge
9th December 2010, 4:22 AM
I have an idea for a Grass starter, if you don't mind Grass/Fighting typing.

Grass into Grass/Fighting gorilla line. Now, before anyone mentions the overabundance of monkeys, Pokemon currently lacks a straight-up gorilla. I think someone suggested an Electric-typed gorilla already in this topic, but I figure I may as well post this anyway.

First stage is named Lowlunk (lowland + lunk, meaning dull or awkward/heavy). It looks like a small lightly-dark-green gorilla (basically the color of the default Serebii forum background) with a bit of a gut and chubby arms, and one of those wooden conical hats on his head. Its hands also have wooden fingerless 'gloves' on them. Its sprites would depict it either sitting down or propping itself up with its arms, kinda like Hihidaruma and real gorillas, because it's awkwardness leads it to not stand upright often.

Second stage is Barbarape (barbarian + ape, also a play on the barbary ape). In this stage, it's become less dim-witted, and stands upright. It also loses its gut and gains a noticeably more muscular build, and instead of the coned hat Lowlunk had, Barbarape has a wooden battle helmet over its head. Its gloves have also grown out to look more akin to gauntlets.

Final stage is Berserkong (berserker + kong, which we all know is commonly used in reference to large apes). Berserkong's body build doesn't change much from Barbarape's, besides becoming larger, though its forearms/fists have become notably thicker than the rest of the arm. Its gauntlets have also been broken off at the fists, leaving Berserkong with what are essentially wooden bracelets/forearm guards that are purely cosmetic at this stage. It's also regained the conical hat it had before, but Berserkong's hat is flatter and wider than Lowlunk's.

Again, this is just an idea I had.

Innocent Bystander
9th December 2010, 4:25 AM
I have an idea for a Grass starter, if you don't mind Grass/Fighting typing.

Grass into Grass/Fighting gorilla line. Now, before anyone mentions the overabundance of monkeys, Pokemon currently lacks a straight-up gorilla. I think someone suggested an Electric-typed gorilla already in this topic, but I figure I may as well post this anyway.

First stage is named Lowlunk (lowland + lunk, meaning dull or awkward/heavy). It looks like a small lightly-dark-green gorilla (basically the color of the default Serebii forum background) with a bit of a gut and chubby arms, and one of those wooden conical hats on his head. Its hands also have wooden fingerless 'gloves' on them. Its sprites would depict it either sitting down or propping itself up with its arms, kinda like Hihidaruma and real gorillas, because it's awkwardness leads it to not stand upright often.

Second stage is Barbarape (barbarian + ape, also a play on the barbary ape). In this stage, it's become less dim-witted, and stands upright. It also loses its gut and gains a noticeably more muscular build, and instead of the coned hat Lowlunk had, Barbarape has a wooden battle helmet over its head. Its gloves have also grown out to look more akin to gauntlets.

Final stage is Berserkong (berserker + kong, which we all know is commonly used in reference to large apes). Berserkong's body build doesn't change much from Barbarape's, besides becoming larger, though its forearms/fists have become notably thicker than the rest of the arm. Its gauntlets have also been broken off at the fists, leaving Berserkong with what are essentially wooden bracelets/forearm guards that are purely cosmetic at this stage. It's also regained the conical hat it had before, but Berserkong's hat is flatter and wider than Lowlunk's.

Again, this is just an idea I had.

It sounds really good to me. But I have one question. What's a conical hat?

KillingEdge
9th December 2010, 4:32 AM
One of those hats that's cone-shaped and made out of woven wood or whatever. I'm not sure if there's an actual name for them, though.

^^Yoshinichi^^
9th December 2010, 4:34 AM
It sounds really good to me. But I have one question. What's a conical hat?

A conical hat is what I assume would also be called a dunce cap. I'm not too fond of the idea of giving it a hat, but other than that it's an awesome idea and they have amazing names. Guys, I'm sorry I haven't really sprited anything new yet. I can't put all the sprites in one image unless the black in their outlines are lighter, because when I copy/paste gifs, they have a black background.

Lendura sounds very interesting, though I think we still need to figure out where in the world we're basing this region off of, you know?

KillingEdge
9th December 2010, 4:38 AM
Yeah, the hat is optional. I only thought of it because I was also thinking of an enemy from a video game that was a monkey with a similar sort of hat.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/15/183086555_8eedb2e98a.jpg

^ This is the type of hat I'm referring to.

FourthBeat
9th December 2010, 4:39 AM
I think a conical hat is like... the asian rice farmer hat. That might be stereotypical of me to say, but I think it'll instantly come to your mind if I word it that way. That said, I kind of like the gorilla. I've made one or two in my days. I could have a go?

The Sewer System sounds great. Lendura is alright by me.

For an Egyptian Legendary, I'd love to snatch that right now. Anubis, or Horus, plz. The Jackal god or a Bird-like god.

Yoshi, I love the new dogs : D I don't see why we can't still have Puprim though. He could be our Snubbull or Meowth or Skitty.

evolutionrex
9th December 2010, 4:39 AM
A conical hat is what I assume would also be called a dunce cap. I'm not too fond of the idea of giving it a hat, but other than that it's an awesome idea and they have amazing names. Guys, I'm sorry I haven't really sprited anything new yet. I can't put all the sprites in one image unless the black in their outlines are lighter, because when I copy/paste gifs, they have a black background.

Lendura sounds very interesting, though I think we still need to figure out where in the world we're basing this region off of, you know?
I was thinking some where in the Americas, like ForthBeat suggested. I like Canada, but i would like Peru or somewhere near Central America.

^^Yoshinichi^^
9th December 2010, 4:49 AM
I think a conical hat is like... the asian rice farmer hat. That might be stereotypical of me to say, but I think it'll instantly come to your mind if I word it that way. That said, I kind of like the gorilla. I've made one or two in my days. I could have a go?

The Sewer System sounds great. Lendura is alright by me.

For an Egyptian Legendary, I'd love to snatch that right now. Anubis, or Horus, plz. The Jackal god or a Bird-like god.

Yoshi, I love the new dogs : D I don't see why we can't still have Puprim though. He could be our Snubbull or Meowth or Skitty.
Yup, we're keeping Puprim. I just was sort of saying that Templaum's technically a remade Puprim, because he evolves into a shisa Pokemon. The shisa isn't going well, by the way. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could improve the design? I'm fine with changing everything but the facial region.

Horus, then, considering Lucario's based off of Anubis. ;P Or maybe the crocodile god, whose name escapes me.

I'm okay with you designing the gorilla if others are. Remember, those eyes are there on the first page to help anyone who needs some inspiration. Currently going to resprite the maggot fakemon.

-Raiga-
9th December 2010, 5:01 AM
I was thinking some where in the Americas, like ForthBeat suggested. I like Canada, but i would like Peru or somewhere near Central America.

I don't really see why we have to base the region on a specific place. The ONLY thing that will do is limit the type of pokemon we can make.

If we absolutely HAVE to base it on somewhere, we might as well wait until we've decided on all the pokemon and pick the area where most of the pokemon fit in.

evolutionrex
9th December 2010, 5:10 AM
I don't really see why we have to base the region on a specific place. The ONLY thing that will do is limit the type of pokemon we can make.

If we absolutely HAVE to base it on somewhere, we might as well wait until we've decided on all the pokemon and pick the area where most of the pokemon fit in.
Not really, why would it limit pokemon?

And yeah, we kind of have to base it off of somewhere, since that's what the past regions have been doing.

FourthBeat
9th December 2010, 5:18 AM
Giraffes and lion-dogs and sloths and chickens and bulls and alligators and hippopotamuses and penguins and elephants and mongooses and cactuses and eagles and sheep and jellyfish and kangaroos and foxes and (Playboy) Bunnies are not all indigenous to Japan, and yet they all appeared in regions based off of Japan. You can't find wild Zebras and Gorillas in America, but they're in Unova. There's really nothing stopping us from adding any Pokemon to any region, just because it's based on a certain location.

-Raiga-
9th December 2010, 5:23 AM
Not really, why would it limit pokemon?

If you are in a snowy region, it wouldn't make much sense if 70 percent of the pokemon in your region are desert animals would it?


And yeah, we kind of have to base it off of somewhere, since that's what the past regions have been doing.

....thats exactly my point. Nothing like no creativity to decide such a huge part of the game.


Giraffes and lion-dogs and sloths and chickens and bulls and alligators and hippopotamuses and penguins and elephants and mongooses and cactuses and eagles and sheep and jellyfish and kangaroos and foxes and (Playboy) Bunnies are not all indigenous to Japan, and yet they all appeared in regions based off of Japan. You can't find wild Zebras and Gorillas in America, but they're in Unova. There's really nothing stopping us from adding any Pokemon to any region, just because it's based on a certain location.

You seem to be under the impression that because an official game does something its a rule you have to follow. We aren't gamefreak, we can use a little more leverage that they don't have to our advantage, as oppose to restrain us.

evolutionrex
9th December 2010, 5:29 AM
If you are in a snowy region, it wouldn't make much sense if 70 percent of the pokemon in your region are desert animals would it?
That's why we don't choose Antarctica as the map.




....thats exactly my point. Nothing like no creativity to decide such a huge part of the game.

You seem to be under the impression that because an official game does something its a rule you have to follow. We aren't gamefreak, we can use a little more leverage that they don't have to our advantage, as oppose to restrain us.
But their are requirements. Your right, but it's like your saying we shouldn't make starter pokemon becuase we don't have to.

^^Yoshinichi^^
9th December 2010, 5:32 AM
-Raiga- has a point, we don't need to have as much leverage. I encourage freedom in designing the Region, but let's get designing the Fakemon done with first. Soon I'm going to come up with an official "numbering" system, which helps me keep track of what Pokemon I have greenlighted for the Pokedex. I'd just like to suggest we shouldn't have too many canids, felines or the like, to encourage diversity. We have Puprim and Templaum, so maybe we could have the husky and that's it. We only have one cat though, the curled up kitty, so another feline wouldn't hurt. I'm mostly saying this because cats and dogs are often done to death in Fakedexs, so we should try to research less-well known animals to use for Fakemon, as well as use some inanimate objects for Pokemon like we have been doing.

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/MrSchlapor/Project%20Phoenix%20Fakedex/maggot.png
I redesigned EvolutionRex's maggot slightly. I hope you don't mind, Rex. I just wanted it to look more like a Pokemon, but I tried to keep it similar. This guy could be one of the weak-worm Pokemon of our region.

evolutionrex
9th December 2010, 5:40 AM
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/MrSchlapor/Project%20Phoenix%20Fakedex/maggot.png
I redesigned EvolutionRex's maggot slightly. I hope you don't mind, Rex. I just wanted it to look more like a Pokemon, but I tried to keep it similar. This guy could be one of the weak-worm Pokemon of our region.
that looks good!! i hope that the evolutions will turn up good too.

Also, my original plan was to make the fly and a mosquito pokemon. So, once your finished with the fly line, you could do the mosquito larva that evolves into a larva/mosquito hybrid that then finally evolves into a mosquito pokemon, if you think it's a good idea.

^^Yoshinichi^^
9th December 2010, 6:25 AM
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/MrSchlapor/Project%20Phoenix%20Fakedex/iaza13915510748000.gif
Fixed up the maggot. Does anybody have any ideas for a name?
Also, I'm thinking we shouldn't have both a mosquito and a fly. They're just too similar conceptually, I think. Although, we could make the cocoon evolution evolve into either a fly or a mosquito. What could we have for some Water type Pokemon?

I'm working on fixing up Canopee right now. The garbage can needs a new name, though. Any suggestions?

Korobooshi Kojiro
9th December 2010, 6:26 AM
I fully support the idea for a Grass/Fighting Gorilla starter because, I agree, we don't really have a typical gorilla Pokemon yet. Plus Grass/Fighting is a cool combination.

So, we've got one Starter part Fighting, and, if we end up going with Lamburn/Memera as the Fire Starter, that's one Starter part Dark. The Fighting/Rock/Flying triangle is the most requested alternate starter triangle (which is of course never going to happen because all Starter Pokemon begin with Normal-type attacks, which Rock resists), so why not represent that through secondary types? A Water/Flying type thus could be our last starter then.

I don't have any immediate ideas, but the hat that the Gorilla starter wears is a Chinese-based hat, whereas my idea for Lamburn has it taking on a Western-motif as a classic punk. Maybe we can follow Gamefreak's idea with the Gen V starters and have the water Starter influenced by Japanese culture?

As for other Water-type Pokemon:
* A Water/Ghost Pokemon based off the karakasa-obake (umbrella ghost). It's super popular in Japan, so I'm surprised it hasn't been turned into a Pokemon yet.
* A Water/Fighting sponge mixed with a sumo wrestler...it increases its weight by taking in water making it near unmovable, referencing the sponge's sedentary nature. But we already have Killingedge's idea for a sponge, so that may overlap.
* Water/Ground Elephant, in reference to their mudbaths. Could be a bit tongue-in-cheek, with a mud-shaped pattern on its body that resembles a bikini. Could evolve into an elephant covered in mud which gives it the appearance of a woolly mammoth, with the dripping mud resembling long strands of hair.
* Water/Fighting dalmatian who is a fire-fighter, referencing their use at fire stations. Its ears could resemble a traditional Japanese fireman's hat.

evolutionrex
9th December 2010, 6:36 AM
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/MrSchlapor/Project%20Phoenix%20Fakedex/iaza13915510748000.gif
Fixed up the maggot. Does anybody have any ideas for a name?
Also, I'm thinking we shouldn't have both a mosquito and a fly. They're just too similar conceptually, I think. Although, we could make the cocoon evolution evolve into either a fly or a mosquito. What could we have for some Water type Pokemon?
magofest could be a name. maggot + feast, since maggots like to eat a lot of rotting food.

Water Pokemon? Well, for the Golduck/Swana pokemon, what about a Flamingo? I know it's not that original but I've never seen a sprite of a flamingo pokemon.

There is the box jelly fish that can have 2 stages.

A i have an idea for a magikarp/Feebass pokemon: It an ugly, urky colored swamp fish that evolves into a pokemon that resembled the Monster of the Black Lagoon.

^^Yoshinichi^^
9th December 2010, 6:52 AM
I fully support the idea for a Grass/Fighting Gorilla starter because, I agree, we don't really have a typical gorilla Pokemon yet. Plus Grass/Fighting is a cool combination.

So, we've got one Starter part Fighting, and, if we end up going with Lamburn/Memera as the Fire Starter, that's one Starter part Dark. The Fighting/Rock/Flying triangle is the most requested alternate starter triangle (which is of course never going to happen because all Starter Pokemon begin with Normal-type attacks, which Rock resists), so why not represent that through secondary types? A Water/Flying type thus could be our last starter then.

I don't have any immediate ideas, but the hat that the Gorilla starter wears is a Chinese-based hat, whereas my idea for Lamburn has it taking on a Western-motif as a classic punk. Maybe we can follow Gamefreak's idea with the Gen V starters and have the water Starter influenced by Japanese culture?

As for other Water-type Pokemon:
* A Water/Ghost Pokemon based off the karakasa-obake (umbrella ghost). It's super popular in Japan, so I'm surprised it hasn't been turned into a Pokemon yet.
* A Water/Fighting sponge mixed with a sumo wrestler...it increases its weight by taking in water making it near unmovable, referencing the sponge's sedentary nature. But we already have Killingedge's idea for a sponge, so that may overlap.
* Water/Ground Elephant, in reference to their mudbaths. Could be a bit tongue-in-cheek, with a mud-shaped pattern on its body that resembles a bikini. Could evolve into an elephant covered in mud which gives it the appearance of a woolly mammoth, with the dripping mud resembling long strands of hair.
* Water/Fighting dalmatian who is a fire-fighter, referencing their use at fire stations. Its ears could resemble a traditional Japanese fireman's hat.
Well, Memera/Lamburn is green-lighted for our Fire starter. I've actually designed a pretty awesome design for it, so I might sprite it tomorrow. The Grass type ape being Chinese would be pretty nifty. Maybe the hat could work, if we stylized it like they did for Murkrow.

I love your idea for the dalmation, though I don't think it'd work as a Fighting type, unless it stood on two legs. I also like your sponge and karakasa-obake ideas. I designed an umbrella demon myself once, though I never was satisfied with the design. I love the sponge idea most, though I'm wondering whether to have your's or KillingEdge's, or just make them part of the same family. Heh.

But what could fit for a Water/Flying starter, besides the obvious? This may be tricky.

magofest could be a name. maggot + feast, since maggots like to eat a lot of rotting food.

Water Pokemon? Well, for the Golduck/Swana pokemon, what about a Flamingo? I know it's not that original but I've never seen a sprite of a flamingo pokemon.

There is the box jelly fish that can have 2 stages.

A i have an idea for a magikarp/Feebass pokemon: It an ugly, urky colored swamp fish that evolves into a pokemon that resembled the Monster of the Black Lagoon.
Magofest is perfect! Thank you. Maggot and feast or fester, which means to rotten. I like the idea of having a flamingo. We could make the baby form pure white, and then the evolution is a bright pink. Anybody who knows a bit about flamingos knows why.

KillingEdge
9th December 2010, 7:07 AM
To be totally honest, Korobooshi's sumo sponge strikes me as more of a household sponge than the sea sponge. Part of the reason I made my sponge only a part of the creature was to stick with the fact that sponges don't move on their own at all. (Except for certain types of sponge, but even then they barely move at that.) That was actually my entire reason for making it: To make a sponge work in Pokemon that holds true to real sponges.

Well, my Water/Fire pistol shrimp and Water/Grass amphibious sponge concepts are on the table for Water types.

And some possible names for the trash can.

Cannister (can + sinister)
Sinistacle (sinister + receptacle)
Garbin (garbage + bin)
Toxican (toxic + can, though TBH, this would be a cool name for a Poison/Flying toxic toucan...)

^^Yoshinichi^^
9th December 2010, 7:40 AM
Alright guys, I figured to get us really rolling, I'd post the early-game list of Fakemon for our Fakedex. That being said, I'd like us to stick to designing Pokemon that fit these requirements for now, so we can get the early stuff out of the way. Designing can be anything to a physical description to a quick sketch, to a sprite. This is meant to concentrate our efforts so we don't branch out too much too soon. If anybody has any other early-game Pokemon ideas, such as a Dark or Fire type, feel free to design that instead. We're just trying to get some of the early Dex Pokemon out of the way.


Project Phoenix Pokedex
650 Lowlunk/Hakozaru Grass
651 Barbarape Grass/Fighting
652 Berzerkong Grass/Fighting
653 Lamburn/Memera Fire
654 ??? Fire/Dark
655 ??? Fire/Dark
656 ??? Water
657 ??? Water
658 ??? Water
659 Magofest/Fukyoeki Bug
660 ??? Bug
661 ??? Bug/Flying
662 ??? Bug
663 ??? Bug
664 ??? Bug/???
665 ??? Normal
666 ??? Normal
667 ??? Normal/Flying
668 ??? Normal/Flying
669 ??? Normal/Flying
670 ??? Electric
671 ??? Electric
672 Common rock Rock/Ground
673 Common rock Rock/Ground
674 Common rock Rock/Ground
675 Bat ???/Flying
676 Bat ???/Flying
677 main psychic Psychic
678 main psychic Psychic
679 main psychic Psychic
680 main fighting Fighting
681 main fighting Fighting
682 main fighting Fighting
Cannister sounds awesome, by the way! I'm currently respriting the bugger to make him look bigger and more three-dimensional.

Innocent Bystander
9th December 2010, 7:46 AM
I've come up with a design for one of the sewer fakemon, I'll try and put up a sprite soon.

FourthBeat
9th December 2010, 7:47 AM
I found it a little tough to make the cone hat work out, so I went with this thing that sort of looks like a beanie or a toque... With grass on top, since it didn't really look Grass-type aside from being green. I was thinking maybe it could be the Grass Hat Pokemon (lol asshat?). When it evolves, it could hit that cool, badass teenager stage that the starters get attitude, like Charmeleon and Combusken and Grovyle and Wotter's evolution... And it could have like a backwards baseball cap, with either grass hair sticking out the front, or a leaf as the brim. And the final evolution could get the helmet. What are your thoughts on that?

Also, I definitely need help with the body section. The arms seem alright to me, but the legs are really awkward. I don't know how to really sprite that pose without it looking really crunched up and messy...

http://www.iaza.com/work/101209C/iaza19433927172500.png

Anyhow, Cannister is a really clever name, seems like we don't get those clever ones as much as we used to.

If we really wanted a Water/Flying starter, I think an Albatross is nifty. Especially if you take into account the "bad luck/good luck/omen" mythology to them. "Don't shoot the Albatross" and "I wore no Albatross around my neck". If you haven't read the Rime of the Ancient Mariner, you seriously need to.
I'll stop being a nerdy english major now, sorry

If we go with the beanie>baseballcap>helmet route for the gorilla starter, we could really focus in on America. Baseball caps are quintessentially American, and if we go with the punk idea, that works too. For water ... obesity? xDD That said, if we do that, I think it could be interesting to focus on the southern states as the region, and Mexico. Really, it'd be kind of interesting to start at like the tip of the Florida panhandle, make your way towards Texas, down through Mexico, and over to Cuba for the Elite 4 or something. Just a random brainwave. Don't mind me.

I also love the Sumosponge. Really neat concept. But aren't Hariyama/Makuhita based on Sumo? There are lots of martial art forms yet to be used. Just something to keep in mind.

EDIT: just noticed the markings on the back are too much like Darumakka/Hihidaruma. It just looked plain so I wanted to do something x3;
Thought: If we went with a Silverback Gorilla it would lend itself really nicely to the Steel type. Just sayin'.
Also, Barbarape has a bad word in it and should be rethought. Gorillawn? Grasilla? Gorileaf? Baseballcapape?

^^Yoshinichi^^
9th December 2010, 8:09 AM
I've come up with a design for one of the sewer fakemon, I'll try and put up a sprite soon.
Could you describe it? I'm always antsy to hear what people have in store. xP You're a great spriter, IB.


I found it a little tough to make the cone hat work out, so I went with this thing that sort of looks like a beanie or a toque... With grass on top, since it didn't really look Grass-type aside from being green. I was thinking maybe it could be the Grass Hat Pokemon (lol asshat?). When it evolves, it could hit that cool, badass teenager stage that the starters get attitude, like Charmeleon and Combusken and Grovyle and Wotter's evolution... And it could have like a backwards baseball cap, with either grass hair sticking out the front, or a leaf as the brim. And the final evolution could get the helmet. What are your thoughts on that?

Also, I definitely need help with the body section. The arms seem alright to me, but the legs are really awkward. I don't know how to really sprite that pose without it looking really crunched up and messy...

http://www.iaza.com/work/101209C/iaza19433927172500.png

Anyhow, Cannister is a really clever name, seems like we don't get those clever ones as much as we used to.

If we really wanted a Water/Flying starter, I think an Albatross is nifty. Especially if you take into account the "bad luck/good luck/omen" mythology to them. "Don't shoot the Albatross" and "I wore no Albatross around my neck". If you haven't read the Rime of the Ancient Mariner, you seriously need to.
I'll stop being a nerdy english major now, sorry

If we go with the beanie>baseballcap>helmet route for the gorilla starter, we could really focus in on America. Baseball caps are quintessentially American, and if we go with the punk idea, that works too. For water ... obesity? xDD That said, if we do that, I think it could be interesting to focus on the southern states as the region, and Mexico. Really, it'd be kind of interesting to start at like the tip of the Florida panhandle, make your way towards Texas, down through Mexico, and over to Cuba for the Elite 4 or something. Just a random brainwave. Don't mind me.

I also love the Sumosponge. Really neat concept. But aren't Hariyama/Makuhita based on Sumo? There are lots of martial art forms yet to be used. Just something to keep in mind.

EDIT: just noticed the markings on the back are too much like Darumakka/Hihidaruma. It just looked plain so I wanted to do something x3;
Thought: If we went with a Silverback Gorilla it would lend itself really nicely to the Steel type. Just sayin'.
Also, Barbarape has a bad word in it and should be rethought. Gorillawn? Grasilla? Gorileaf? Baseballcapape?
I think the grass gorilla looks perfect! I like the direction you're going with it and I think the sprite looks fine, myself. I wouldn't worry too much about the legs, as they look normal to me. I like the idea of the monkeys sort of lending themselves to an American feel, though I could see it being a Chinese Pokemon, too.

I'm not sure if our region should have a specific basis. Your idea for basing it on the Southern states sounds cool, though. Just imagine putting the West Virginia New River Gorge Bridge in as part of the region. It could be like a long bike path with tons of trainers and sections of terrain where you could find wild Pokemon. Also, if we did a Southern region, maybe we could make a Bug/Grass Mexican Jumping Bean Pokemon.

Yup, we have sumo Pokemon already, but that doesn't mean we can't have another. I'm trying to think of other fighting styles at the moment for the sponge, but sumo would fit its bloated bulk.

Not sure about the Water starter at this point. I think we need to make it look pretty cute, though. Neither FourthBeat or I should design it. I'd like somebody else to step up to the plate. But first, we need to come up with a design. We don't need to go Water/Flying. Maybe it could be a Water type platypus? Nah, that's been done to death. Maybe some sort of plesiosaur that can walk on land.

FourthBeat
9th December 2010, 8:15 AM
Offtopic: Don't you love when people steal your sprites? Eugh. I'm dealing with some dramaaaa over at PokeCharms. Yay. Ugh.

Mexican jumping bean sounds epic xD
But you're right, if we're taking on the Grass and Fire lines, someone else should step up for Water. Definitely need to decide the design before anyone jumps up to the plate though.

Water, in my opinion, is always the toughest category. If you don't do a reptile/amphibian, it seems too unrelated to water. If you do choose a reptile/amphibian, it seems too overdone. We need a good mix of something. We could always do like a lobster or something that "walks" in the water. We could really stretch the sponge idea into a starter if need be. The Gorilla would be pretty easy to change type to avoid two Fighting starters. Then again, there's no rule saying you can't have a starters sharing a secondary type!

(Little fanboy moment: you're totally right Yoshi, IB is ridic. Seriously, one of the top spriters I've come across.)

KillingEdge
9th December 2010, 8:43 AM
Just change Barbarape to Barbarilla. Problem solved. And the sprite is coming along nicely. The 'American' idea you have for them also works for me.

If you want my two cents on a Water starter, I've had an idea for a while now about a Water/Poison Pokemon that's essentially a limbed representation of a sea anemone, like how Roselia is a representation of roses.

Anemid (anemone + kid)
Anemoneen (anemone + teen)
Anemonault (anemone + adult)

I have an idea of what they'd look like more in-depth, which I'll post tomorrow when I have the time to get it down thoroughly.

Innocent Bystander
9th December 2010, 8:48 AM
Could you describe it? I'm always antsy to hear what people have in store. xP You're a great spriter, IB.
Thanks. :D



(Little fanboy moment: you're totally right Yoshi, IB is ridic. Seriously, one of the top spriters I've come across.)

Thank you so much! Anyway, with the sewer thing, it's a big blue-green blob with two arm-things (I'm not too sure what to call them) it has long, melted looking eyes and a mouth that towers of a small pile of yabukuron. (It eats them, 'cos they're, you know, trash bags.)
It also has a sewer pipe sticking out of it's head. (I know it's a really overdone idea, but I think it's pull-offable.)

Spherical Ice
9th December 2010, 9:09 AM
* A Water/Fighting sponge mixed with a sumo wrestler...it increases its weight by taking in water making it near unmovable, referencing the sponge's sedentary nature. But we already have Killingedge's idea for a sponge, so that may overlap.We should totally call that Loofight, lol. And yeah, Innocent, those sprites are awesome.

By the way, you guys skipped my idea of a communication marmoset and navigation macaw. Expanding on the former, you could add a small marmoset and they both have a drum similar to the drum communication (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_&#37;28communication%29) that was used in forests and such.

Also, I think renaming Swewe to Sherbaa is a lot better; Sherbert + Baa.

KillingEdge
9th December 2010, 8:31 PM
Actually, what if the sponge wasn't the water starter, but involved in a unique series of sponge evolutions?

The first form is a small aqua-blue amorphous gel-like creature with a small sponge on its back, named Amorphera (Who is a pure Water type). Now, Amorphera is like Tyrogue, in that it evolves based on its stats, but unlike Tyrogue, Amorphera doesn't have a set level it evolves at. Rather, there's an item that evolves Amorphera when it's used, so you can wait as long as needed to get it the right stats. And while Tyrogue's key stats are Attack and Defense, Amorphera's are Attack and Sp.Atk.

Sp.Atk is higher -> Absorphera (Water/Grass, my sponge concept)
Attack is higher -> Sumifero (Water/Fighting, sumo/porifera blended together, Korobooshi's concept)
Attack/Sp.Atk are equal -> Poriferohm (Water/Electric, porifera/ohm, another sponge concept of mine)

I figured I'd give this suggestion a shot, especially since I was just raising a Tyrogue not too long ago. (And because I was racking my brain trying to think of names for an entire starter line of sumo sponges, with no success...)

Cynder
9th December 2010, 9:54 PM
Well, I don't have a scanner at the moment so I just did a crappy drawing on paint:
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1573/oxydon.png
This is the oxygen dragon. I attempted to design the other two, but they both failed miserably. They looked a bit like shapeless serpents >_< If anyone wants to take a shot at designing them the concept is found here (http://serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=11800234&postcount=55) they would be as the concept is there, with similar style head/wing parts. I'll have a go at spriting this one, and edit this post with the sprite (unless it has like ten other posts after it, then I will just not bother and make another post xD)

Also KillingEdge, I like that concept 'cos I don't think many people have really came up with anything like that before.. Well I've never seen anything like that anyway (other than tyrogue anyway)

Exxmaniac
9th December 2010, 10:04 PM
Going off of my sewer idea, I had in mind using this trash rat:
http://i678.photobucket.com/albums/vv142/Exxmaniac/Tratsbag.png
and then it would evolve into...
a bigger, gang leader-like trash rat. I'M SO ORIGINAL. :P

Anyway, I have some fakemon concepts;
-A honey badger and a honeyguide bird duo. HB is Normal/Dark and HG is Normal/Flying?
- A fish bowl based fakemon? It doesn't necessarily have to be an actual fish bowl, but just based on it? Just to add to the Water types possibilities.
Water type.

bothie
9th December 2010, 10:36 PM
Hey guys, I am so sorry for my absentees. My browser refused to load Serebii Forums for the last two days. D: Ughh

But I am here now. :3

I have been working on that Christmas tree sprite. I am not too sure on the shading, or the light bulbs on the hands. I tried to make it look like the light bulbs were popping out, idk though.. Tell me your thoughts. :)

http://i51.*******.com/j7uszm.png

Tell me if you rather have the stuff around the lightbulbs on the hand(brush stuff, idkk..), or not. I can change it.

So starter ideas. I LOVE the grass gorilla concept! And the sprite is coming along pretty well. I could design some of the evolutions, but tell me if you have ideas for them.

What about water, and fire? hmmmm...

FourthBeat
9th December 2010, 11:31 PM
Yoshi has the Fire starter concept as far as I know, with the fire goat thing.
So:
Grass(/Fighting) Gorilla
Fire(/Dark) Goat
Water(/?) _______

That's the big question right now. It's not mandatory to get those done, necessarily, but it'd be nice to still bounce around some ideas.

What about a seal? I know we already have Seel and Spheal, but it's a land-and-water dwelling animal, and I think it's been restricted to the Ice type so we could do something unique, like Electric or Rock? If that grabs anyone's inspiration, by all means run with it!

I love the trashbag rat. Trat? C: The fishbowl is also interesting... It could have some ability that powers up or heals or protects Water Pokemon on its team in double/triple battles! Crazy Special Defense, but below average Defense. Mostly a supporter, I'd imagine. What if it was a Snail! Instead of a shell, it could carry the fishbowl. Water/Bug?

Loving the Christmas tree. I think the yellow orb at the top looks really flat. Maybe imitate Ampharos?

Maybe I'm crazy but I think I remember someone mentioning a Weeping Willow? That could be an alternate in a pairing with the Christmas Tree?

Also love the split line sponge. Not enough split evolutions anymore.

bothie
9th December 2010, 11:41 PM
Hmm.. Fire goat, okay.

Water... What about a platypus like I mentioned before? Or a horse type water thing?

EDIT1:

Okay so I just took of the ball thing on its head. I honestly like it! :)

http://i54.*******.com/2uhtwsp.png

EDIT2:

More Fakemon ideas!!

A water/flying cougar. It should be rare. It should be kind of blue, covered in clouds.
A dark/water dolphin. It should be beginning of an evo chain.
A fire/ghost ostrich. It could be like from the dead or something. LOL
A steel buffalo. It could have armor, etc..
An electric badger.
An electric cheetah.
A rock/dark copperhead/snake.
An ice jackal.
A poison peacock.
A dark frog.
A ground/water camel.

Just a few lol

FourthBeat
10th December 2010, 12:08 AM
Hmm, that does look pretty good. It doesn't look overly Electric though. What if it had a little plug-in for a tail? I mean, Christmas lights need to plug in usually. It's up to you, though, it's your design now x3

A really stylized platypus could work. I mean, Empoleon is a pengiun but it's very stylized with its armor and whatnot, so I think a Playpus could work if we come up with a really good design. I'm not big on the horse for a starter, since it's not really water related.

Worked on Lowlunk. Think it's pretty much finished. Still hate its back legs though.
http://www.iaza.com/work/101210C/iaza19433947157000.png
Which one do you guys prefer? On the left is the original, on the right I moved his head up a little and recoloured the stomach area. I personally prefer the one on the right but it's a tad big for a starter. Hrm.
EDIT:
Nevermind, it's not big at all for a starter. I checked x3 And on the right I also added his other back leg. I think the one on the right wins?