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Serebii
18th December 2010, 11:03 AM
http://www.serebii.net/M13.jpgPhantom Champion Zoroark

Ash & Co. enter Crown City to watch the special event "Pokémon Backer World Cup" where they meet up with the Pokémon Zorua. Zorua is searching for its friend and so Ash & Co. decide to assist Zorua in finding it. However, they soon find that Zoroark is attacking the city while posing as Raikou, Entei & Suicune. However, to top things off, Celebi returns to Crown City after 20 years but peril draws near for it...


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Devastator2000
18th December 2010, 11:06 AM
Something tells me this is another Generic Pokemon movie.
Although the sad parts are quite nice, Those japs know how to make things sad...:/

Beeblebrox
18th December 2010, 3:24 PM
Wow, that one guy has a Koromori hat. Stealth 5th Gen appearance!

Ash-kid
18th December 2010, 3:31 PM
Good movie, seeing Jimmy with Donphan was very nice.
The end is amazing too, with Celebi saving the day. And good to see Zoroark and Zorua in this movie.

Steelia
18th December 2010, 10:32 PM
Looking forward to the movie, though WPM ripped this a (semi-)new one. Shame. Zoroark looks far more interesting in this movie than Lucario was in his; I'm hoping to actually shed something of a tear this time.


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A_Merry_Snowrunt
18th December 2010, 11:14 PM
Oh the ending credits. I love it!

ShinyVaati
20th December 2010, 3:24 AM
I've finished watching this movie and I have to say, I didn't think it was nearly as bad as some people were making it out to be (it was far better than Movie 12, which I didn't really like all too much).

I had heard the main complaint was that it focused too much on the antagonist, Koudai. This is true, pretty much the entire movie is centered around him, but honestly, this didn't bother me all too much. It was a nice change from the rest of the movies where it was always just about whatever central Pokemon happened to be in it. And Koudai was a good enough villian, no crazy plans or motifs. He just wanted power and fame and would do anything to get it.

Probably what I liked most about this movie was all the Pokemon that were showcased: Entei, Suicune, Raikou, Celebi, Zorua, and Zoroark. However, how little screen time and influence the Beast Trio had is my main complaint. They really didn't do anything. You could take them out of the movie and all you'd be missing is some quick action shots. But Zorua is absolutely adorable, I loved every minute of it.

I also enjoyed the movie's characters. As I said, I liked Koudai for the villian. Kurt and Rioka were nice "side heroes" so to speak. I was disappointed that Proof did literally nothing though. She's only there in the beginning, then she totally disappears until the credits. Bit of wasted space to be honest.

The animation was wonderful as it usually is in these movies and the music was nice for the most part (I loved Celebi's theme in this). I loved in the credits how they showcased all the of DP's major characters (giving Zoey and Paul their own little scenes as well) and the Sinnoh Gym Leaders and Elite Four.

Overall, its a pretty decent Pokemon movie. Not the best, far from the worst, and a nice finisher to the Diamond and Pearl series.
I now eagerly await the dub!

Hyper Tails
20th December 2010, 4:18 AM
My biggest complaint about the movie is the fact that Zoroark spent half the movie sitting in a cage. They really could have done so much more with her.. They could've showcased the Illusion abilities with her a bit more, rather than rely on Zorua's comedic transformations.

Lorde
21st December 2010, 5:25 AM
I had pre-ordered the 13th Movie DVD a while ago, and it finally arrived yesterday afternoon. I was so excited about watching it, but I was busy with something else so I didn't watch it until this morning. I have to admit that it was well worth the wait. I think Movie 13 is my favorite Pokemon movie since Lucario and the Mystery of Mew. I loved the new Pokemon like Zorua and Zoroark, since Zorua is a cute little fox Pokemon and Zoroark is fierce mother fox Pokemon. I also loved the new characters like Kurt the reporter and the villain of the movie, Kodai. Seeing Celebi again was a real treat, as was seeing Shiny versions of the Johto Beast trio. I think the best aspect of this movie was the awesome animation and the amazing soundtrack. I mean, everything looked and sounded perfect in this film. Even though the movie was in Japanese and I don't understand the language all-that well, I decided to type up a full review of the movie since it's really cool. Ok then, here we go. I really liked the opening footage in this film. All of the Pokemon films have nice opening footage, but I think I enjoyed this film's opening footage a bit more since it showed a lot of the Legendary Pokemon together, then the Sea Pokemon, and so on. It then had a cool little scene showing Ethan from Pokemon HG/SS! Or was it Jimmy? Ah, same thing. That was the highlight of the opening footage as he sent out his Donphan to battle against Ash's Pikachu. Donphan used Rollout and Pikachu used Iron Tail, and this scene reminded me a lot of the opening footage from Movie 1. Seeing Ash, Dawn, Brock, and their Pokemon was also cool. The movie finally started with Ash, Dawn, and Brock all arriving at a Pokemon Center in some town. They were showing some sport called Pokemon Baccers on the TV there, and it looked a lot like soccer for Pokemon haha. As Ash and friends watched the intense game, we got our first shot of Team Rocket spying on them. You know, typical Team Rocket stuff. The TV then showed a commercial advertising Crown City and it showed the Johto Beast trio, and a man named Kodai. Ash got excited, and just then Nurse Joy showed up and she starting talking to them. Brock did his usual flirting, so Croagunk had to put him in his place. Ash then decided that they should go to Crown City to check out the Pokemon Baccers tournament. Meanwhile, on an airship at night, we got to see our first glimpse of Zoroark as she was sleeping. Then Zorua appeared out of Zoroark's mane and it looked so cute! It was cuddling with its mother until a door opened and Raikou, Suicune, and Entei appeared. I was wondering what that was about, just as Zoroark seemed to get ready for battle. We then got to see Kodai again, as he was observing the action from a room above with his assistant.

Seeing him there with a malicious look on his face made me suspect that he was the villain in this movie. Down below, Raikou growled at Zoroark and then Zorua growled back like it was going to fight too. Luckily, Zoroark put Zorua back into its mane and Zorua was safe from harm. Kodai then spoke and Zoroark transformed into Raikou. I guess that was its Illusion ability. It then created thunderclouds which scared Kodai's assistant, but it seemed to all be an illusion as well. A guy told Kodai that they were approaching Crown City, and the Beast trio disappeared. It looks like they were just holograms or something. A Ninjask appeared and while lasers paralyzed Zoroark, it took Zorua away to another room! Zoroark was mad, but it all seemed like part of Kodai's evil plan. Meanwhile, Zoroark managed to break free from Ninjask and it broke through a vent and made it to another area of the airship. A Scizor appeared and I was worried about Zorua for a second. However, Zorua used its Illusion ability and transformed into a Scizor. The real Scizor was confused, and Zorua managed to get away from it and transform back to its original form so that it could escape through another vent. That guy from before noticed it via a security camera though. Zorua made it out of the airship, but the wind was too much for it and Zorua couldn't hang on so it was swept away into the sky. I was worried that it wouldn't survive the fall, but it fell on a passing Skiploom and as it bounced off, Zorua transformed into a Skiploom itself. I noticed two things then: 1) Zorua can only transform into Pokemon that it has recently seen and 2) When Zorua transforms into a Pokemon, it has this weird little grin on its face haha. Anyway, Zorua floated down to earth. Back at the airship, Kodai appeared and we saw that other guy again. His name was Goon apparently, and he owned the Ninjask and Scizor. Despite Zorua having escaped, Kodai didn't seem worried and as they got closer to Crown City, he seemed to be focused on his goal: the “ripple of time“. Near some trees somewhere, a distorted hole appeared in the air and Celebi appeared and it started to fly around in the night sky. After the title animation sequence, we got to see Ash and friends traveling through a dark forest at night while on their way to Crown City. As they walked, they ran into some Beautifly and as they continued on, we saw Team Rocket tracking them from above on a Yanmega aircraft haha. Suddenly, Zorua (disguised as Skiploom) landed on James and Meowth's heads and it was giggling. Seeing Team Rocket almost fall over was funny to see. Zorua crashed into a Vigoroth in the forest below, and it transformed back into its original form. Several Vigoroth attacked it, but Pikachu sensed the trouble and it let Ash know about it.

Ash and friends arrived at the scene and Ash sent out Infernape while Dawn sent out Mamoswine. After Piplup made a fool of itself, the Vigoroth lost interest and they fled. Zorua was saved! Ash and friends approached it, but Zorua said it wasn't supposed to talk to humans or something. Ash and friends were surprised that Zorua could communicate via telepathy, and Zorua giggled. I loved Zorua's voice since it sounded like a little boy. Zorua looked at the city in the distance, and Brock identified it as Crown City. Zorua wanted to go there to find its "Maa", so it went with Ash and his group. Zorua then transformed into Ash, and Ash was surprised. Zorua's transformations were flawed though, since Zorua retained a tail while it was in human form haha. Pikachu pulled it, and Zorua turned back to normal, then it changed into a Pikachu too. Somewhere near water, Kodai's airship was docked and a door opened to let Zoroark out. Kodai showed it footage of Zorua trapped in a cage, and Zoroark was angry. It appeared that Kodai was "blackmailing" Zoroark so that it would work for him. Zoroark then disappeared into the trees. Kodai then announced that it was "showtime" and several camera-planes left the airship, apparently to film something. The next morning, Celebi was flying around Crown City, greeting several Pokemon at a time. Crown City looked pretty old, but it was very pretty too. An old lady was watering her flowers with her Tangrowth, and a girl approached her and started dancing. That was random! The lady saw Celebi pass by, and she was stunned. She rushed to tell an old man about it, and both cried tears of joy. We saw Team Rocket sleeping in some tree, just as a clock tolled and Zoroark jumped off the clock tower. Team Rocket saw it, just before it used Night Burst to cause a giant shockwave that blasted several people back. Zoroark remembered Kodai's orders and it transformed into Suicune! It then caused a giant wave of water to go crashing through the streets of Crown City as the camera-planes recorded it. Zoroark then transformed into Entei. As it ran, a trail of fire followed behind it and everyone nearby started running as Kodai observed. The old man and woman from before appeared again and they saw Entei. Kodai's assistant appeared on TV and Kodai appeared as well to explain the situation. He informed people that Zoroark was involved in the destruction of the city. Zoroark transformed into Raikou and it climbed the clock tower and created tons of thunderclouds. Lightning started to appear in the skies, and people started to flee again. Meanwhile, in some forest area somewhere else, a Shiny Suicune was seen. It sensed something and it ran somewhere. I was curious as to where it was planning to go. It seemed like even Pokemon were running away from the city.

We then saw some snowy mountains and a Shiny Entei looking out into the distance. Entei let out a bark and it left running, just like the Shiny Suicune. Hmm. In Crown City, more Pokemon were fleeing or else hiding, and then we got a scene showing some other mountains and a Shiny Raikou barking from a peak. Wow, all three Shiny Johto Beasts! Outside of Crown City, Officer Jenny and other police officers had closed the city off after evacuating the citizens and drawing the bridges around the perimeter. Wow, things must have been really serious. Ash, Dawn, and Brock ran through the crowd and they encountered Officer Jenny by the city's edge. Brock flirted once again haha. Officer Jenny then told them that the city was closed because of Zoroark, Raikou, Entei, and Suicune's attacks. The dancing girl appeared and Ash asked if the Baccers tournament had been affected, but Officer Jenny assured them that things would be ok. As an emergency broadcast was shown, Ash and his friends went to check it out. I had barely noticed that Ash had two Pikachu with him then. One of them must've been Zorua in disguise. Zorua got excited when it heard about its mother, and it transformed into Brock! I loved that little fox tail. Zorua ran through the crowd and Ash and friends chased after it. Zorua wanted to cross the river to find its mother, but Ash was able to restrain it. Then suddenly, some guy appeared after having heard the commotion. I noticed his hat at first, and I recognized the Pokemon on there as being a Koromori from the Isshu region. Haha, what a cool Generation 5 reference! Anyway, Brock tried to explain the other Brock (Zorua), but the guy pulled its tail and it transformed back into Zorua, who giggled. The guy seemed surprised with Zorua's appearance. Back in Crown City, Celebi was flying around when it saw Zoroark jumping from roof-to-roof. It then flew off but those camera-planes found it and they recorded it for Kodai to see. Kodai seemed pleased, most likely because Celebi would lead him to the "ripple of time" thing he wanted. Just then, Kodai almost collapsed and his eyes turned a strange emerald color as he had a sort of vision of the future. He saw Ash and friends as well as Celebi and other characters. He then regained his composure and talked to his assistant. Weird. Back at the edge of Crown City, Ash and friends introduced themselves to the guy and he told them that his name was Kurt. He talked about being a reporter who wanted to learn more about Kodai and his secrets. He took Ash and friends inside a windmill and he opened a secret door. There was a tunnel underneath that apparently led into Crown City. They went down there and Kurt had his Bronzor use Flash to light the way.

Kurt then talked about Kodai's exploits and about how Kodai seemed to want more power. Zorua then livened up the situation by transforming into Dawn, though Piplup pulled its tail, ending the little joke. Meanwhile, Goon and his Pokemon arrived at Crown City in a car and he reported the situation to Kodai. Zorua then appeared in Crown City, and Zoroark saw it. She rushed to it but it was all a trap. She was paralyzed and caged, and it was revealed that Goon had set things up and that the Zorua was just another hologram. Grr. It looked like Kodai no longer needed Zoroark, so he was going to contain her. I was really mad, since Zoroark just wanted to be with its child again. Zoroark tried to escape, but she couldn't and the cage just sealed itself shut. Goon then left with the cage attached to his car. Just then, Team Rocket showed up from behind a tree. Wow, these guys remained in the city after all the chaos? I guess they just wanted to capture those Legendary Pokemon haha. At Kodai's airship, Kodai made plans to head out to Crown City to search for the "ripple of time" thing. He was seen on some smaller aircraft along with a Shuppet and a Mismagius as he departed. At Crown City, Kurt's Bronzor removed a manhole cover and the others all got out of the underground tunnel at last. Zorua ran off in search of its mother, and the others followed. Ash noticed a Celebi statue and asked Kurt about it. Kurt explained that Celebi often appeared there and he talked more about Crown City's history. Zorua captured a scent and Piplup and Pikachu helped sniff it out. Zorua then turned into Dawn and it started sniffing too, much to Piplup's dismay and Dawn's irritation haha. I love that little guy, since he always makes things fun. Zorua climbed on Ash's hat and called out to its "Maa". Aw, it sounded so cute. Even though Zorua was sad, Ash cheered it up which was nice to see. Kurt then noticed something. He saw a train stop that had been shown to be on fire in the news broadcast, but it was fine in real life. Strange. He recorded the area and deduced that Zoroark had used its Illusion ability to make it appear to have caught fire before. Zorua then ran ahead, and Ash and friends had to run after it. Kodai was seen flying through Crown City, and we saw a flashback of the past where he had a vision of the events involving Crown City and Zoroark. That vision apparently set his current plan into motion. In the present, Kodai went to one of the Pokemon Baccers counters around the city and had his Shuppet do something to the area. Kodai wasn't satisfied, so he marked that location off on his map. He then got an alert on his computer and saw that Ash was in the city!

Kodai remembered seeing Ash in his vision of the future before so he contacted Goon, most likely so that he would get rid of Ash for him. Meanwhile, Zorua caught a scent and they all stopped near a statue of an Entei, Raikou, and Suicune. Zorua then caught another scent and they all followed after it. Geez, Ash and friends are gonna be fit after all this running haha. They ran through several streets until Zorua stopped to watch a news broadcast by Kodai. Zorua was mad at Kodai for putting him and his mother through hell, and it destroyed the television screen with its paw. I think it was Scratch attack. Suddenly, a Mightyena appeared and it looked like it was gonna fight with Zorua. However, as Zorua was distracted, a Tangrowth appeared from behind it and used Sleep Powder to put it to sleep. Ash and friends arrived and the Mightyena tackled Kurt. It then licked his face, so they must have known each other. Tangrowth picked up Zorua just as that old man and old woman from before appeared to greet Kurt. Zorua was still asleep, and it looked so cute! Ash and friends went back to the old people's flower shop where they had some tea while Zorua slept. They discussed the situation until the old woman talked about having seen Celebi that morning. Ash and the others were stunned, as the old man recalled how Crown City had looked before. Back at the airship, Zoroark was trying to get out of the cage. It used Night Burst but it didn't work and she was just shocked again. She shouted in frustration, and Zorua managed to hear her despite being so far away. It must be that mother-child bond. Zorua climbed the table and made a mess, then it headed outside again as Ash and friends followed after it. Zorua ran through a fence and Pikachu and Piplup went after it as Ash and friends went around. Zorua ran through a garden and several wild Pokemon ran after it. Zorua was then attacked by a Breloom for no reason! The wild Pokemon from the garden surrounded Zorua, but Pikachu and Piplup arrived to calm them down (even though Piplup crashed into a tree lol). The Pokemon were very aggressive though, and Pikachu and Piplup were unable to make them listen to reason. Just then, Celebi appeared in the garden! It flew around and caused the flowers in the trees to turn into fruit. Ash and the others saw the event take place from beyond the fence. All of the wild Pokemon started eating the fruits, and that seemed to calm them down. Celebi gave Zorua a fruit, and Zorua ate it gladly. It giggled and transformed into a Celebi, which stunned the real Celebi. I loved its reaction since it looked so cute. Zorua and Celebi seemed to get along, and they ran into the streets along with Pikachu and Piplup.

Ash and the others noticed them and were just about to follow, when several Scizor and Ninjask appeared in front of them, blocking their way. A cage appeared and it trapped them inside as Goon and Kodai appeared. Oh great, now they're stuck. Ash tried to touch the bars of the cage, but he was shocked. Ash and friends demanded to be let out, but Kodai refused for obvious reasons and the cage shut itself with Ash and friends still inside. How would they find Zorua and the others now? Team Rocket noticed Goon taking the cage away, and they followed until they realized that Goon's car was on water already. Zorua and Celebi were then seen climbing a giant tree outside of Crown City, and Pikachu and Piplup followed them up the tree. Zorua looked out to Crown City and worried about its "Maa" again. It then started howling as sad music box-like played. Aww. Inside its cage, Zoroark was seen trying to get out again, but it didn't look like she could. Back at the tree, Zorua was sad but Celebi tried to comfort it with a pat. Zorua went inside a tree hollow to be alone, but Celebi used its powers and created a bed of weeds for Zorua to sleep in. Zorua remembered sleeping in a similar hollow with its mother and it had tears in its eyes as it slept. Pikachu on the other hand, looked worried. I wondered why. Kodai's assistant was then seen messing with Kodai's computer. She managed to hack into it and she browsed through Kodai's research on Celebi and the "ripple of time". Goon arrived with the cage containing Ash and friends, and the assistant went down there to see it. She introduced herself as Rioka at that point. Kurt talked to her and she removed her glasses and let her hair down. She then revealed that she was Kurt's friend and that she had helped uncover Kodai's secrets. Wow, a double agent in a Pokemon movie. That was cool! She helped Ash and friends escape on a small boat that was headed back to Crown City. While inside it, Rioka showed them some of the information that she'd obtained from Kodai on a little computer. She then explained about Celebi and the "ripple of time" that Kodai was planning to go after. We then got a neat flashback of the past where a young Kodai first encountered the "ripple of time". Celebi appeared and was going towards it but Kodai had his Misdreavus and Shuppet attack it. Celebi was down and Kodai got to touch the "ripple of time" caused by Celebi's time traveling abilities. Things went wrong though, and the "ripple of time" exploded and the greenery around Crown City disappeared. Huh, I guess that's why we saw Crown City looking all messed up before. As Kodai got back up, he had a vision of the future and he seemed pleased. So that's how he got his powers it seems. Interesting.

Once the flashback ended, the boat carrying Ash and the others finally arrived in Crown City. Meanwhile, Kodai was seen near another Pokemon Baccers event counter. He had his Pokemon use a strange attack again, but nothing happened. Kodai noticed that he had gone to all the Pokemon Baccers counters in the city but he still hadn't found what he was looking for. His eyes then started to glow emerald again and he had a vision of himself interrogating Celebi. So it looked like he was going after Celebi now. Good grief, how tedious haha. Back at the boat, Rioka revealed that Kodai was attempting to find the Pokemon Baccers counter he had seen in his vision, because the "ripple of time" was near there. Kurt then tracked Kodai's location using the computer Rioka had. Zorua and the others started climbing down the giant tree at night but Piplup slid and crashed on a branch. Haha, Piplup is just there for comedy purposes it seems. Suddenly, a bright light shone on Celebi and Kodai arrived with his Pokemon. Kodai had Shuppet use Psychic to trap Celebi, but Pikachu shocked Shuppet with Thunderbolt. The Ninjask used Shadow Ball and Piplup and Pikachu were blasted away. Zorua then transformed into Tangrowth and it used vines to trap Shuppet and Mismagius. I loved the animation that was used though since it was in 3-D. Kodai used some device on his wrist to defuse Zorua's Illusion, and it had Shuppet use Shadow Ball. It hit Zorua and it fell, returning to its normal form. It called for its "Maa" before fainting. Back at the airship, Zoroark heard it. It then managed to dent the cage it was in. Yay, go Zoroark! Suddenly in Crown City, the Shiny Entei, Suicune, and Raikou from before arrived. They all ran around while Zoroark finally managed to break free from the cage in a rage. Haha, it rhymed. Meanwhile, the three Shiny Johto Beasts started to howl while Team Rocket noticed them from their own boat. The Beasts seemed to be waiting for something then. At the giant tree, Kodai cornered Celebi while it was attending to Zorua. Shuppet used Psychic to capture Celebi, and I had to wonder why Celebi couldn't fight back. I mean, it was a Legendary Pokemon after all. Kodai choked Celebi and he got another vision as Celebi screamed in pain. Zorua then jumped on Kodai's head and they all fell to the ground. Kodai was really mean and he threw Zorua with all his force to the tree. That must’ve hurt! Zoroark heard Zorua, but just then, the Shiny Suicune ran to the airship and attacked Zoroark with Ice Beam. The Shiny Raikou then followed up with Thunderbolt and the Shiny Entei used Overheat. Kodai's airship then sort of exploded. Wow, that was really harsh of the Shiny Johto Beasts.

Anyway, Team Rocket's boat was pushed away by waves and their part in this film seemed over. Thank God. While the Shiny Beasts looked at the burning airship, Zoroark appeared from out of the water! Shiny Suicune attacked Zoroark with Air Slash and then Shiny Entei used Overheat and there was an explosion. The old man and old woman from before were in the trees, and they had to flee from the explosion. Back at the tree's base, Kodai was getting ready to take Celebi, but Pikachu and Piplup attacked him. He then had Goon's two Scizor attack them, and one of the Scizor managed to blow Pikachu and Piplup off of the tree. They fell and things looked serious, but a Togekiss came to their rescue and it saved them before they crashed. Kodai looked stunned, and just then, Ash and the others arrived to where he was. I guess it was Dawn's Togekiss that saved the Pokemon. It was funny seeing Rioka trying to hide from Kodai, but he saw her so it didn't do any good. Pikachu attacked Goon and Kodai with Thunderbolt while Ash saved Celebi and Dawn saved Zorua. Ash and the others then ran for it while several wild Pokemon attacked Goon's Pokemon. Kodai then sent a little device into the air. I wondered what that was. Back in Crown City, Zoroark was disguised as Suicune but then the Shiny Suicune appeared and attacked it with Ice Beam. Zoroark went back to its normal form but the Shiny Raikou appeared and it tried to attack Zoroark. Zoroark transformed into a Raikou itself but the Shiny Raikou's Aura Sphere attack knocked Zoroark back. Zoroark ran for it as an Entei, and it had a trail of fire following it like before. The Shiny Entei then appeared and it used Flare Blitz on Zoroark. Zoroark looked really tired, and I still wondered why the Shiny Beasts were attacking it. The Shiny Beasts had Zoroark cornered, but it then got mad and used Night Burst and there was a huge explosion. Meanwhile, Kurt took Ash and friends to a house to rest. The old man and old woman arrived, and the old woman was shocked to see that Celebi was injured. I was worried too, but Brock managed to fix Celebi's arm quickly. I guess he had medical knowledge; the guy sure comes in handy. The old woman then talked about having seen the Shiny Beasts in Crown City, and once the old man told them that they attacked Zoroark, Zorua wanted to go find its "Maa". Celebi wanted to go too, but it was still too injured to go. Rioka talked about the Pokemon Baccers counters that Kodai was looking for, and then the old man told them about one that was somewhere near the Pokemon Baccers stadium in the city. While they talked, we saw that odd device that Kodai had sent after Ash and friends, recording the conversation. Kodai then learned where to go next!

The device was going to fly off, but Pikachu zapped it and Rioka recognized it as being Kodai's. They all decided that it was time to face Kodai once and for all. Ash, Brock, Dawn, and Zorua all left to the Pokemon Baccers stadium using the underground tunnel that they used before. Meanwhile, Zoroark was still being chased by the Shiny Beasts. Zoroark then did something that caused crystals to surround the Shiny Beasts. Rioka, Kurt, and the old people arrived, and Rioka realized that the crystals were just another product of Zoroark's Illusion. Mightyena helped break Zoroark's Illusion and then tons of wild Pokemon came to pacify the Shiny Beasts. I thought it was pretty cool. Ash and friends got out of the tunnel and they saw Kodai and Goon in their car. Dawn and Brock then sent Pokemon out to fight Goon while Kodai got away in the water. He noticed Ash running towards the Baccers stadium and he followed after him. Pikachu and Mismagius fought and Ash used the distraction to have Celebi flee. Kodai saw though, and he chased after Celebi in his car. Meanwhile, Brock and Dawn's Pokemon fought Goon's Pokemon. While things looked bad, a Dark Pulse attack hit Goon's Ninjask, and Zoroark appeared! It used Night Slash on Goon's Scizor and it defeated them. Zoroark then used Night Burst to blast Goon and his Ninjask away, while Dawn and Brock took cover. Back in the forest, Kodai's Shuppet attacked Celebi, but Celebi was revealed to be Zorua in disguise. Kurt's Bronzor then tossed Kodai's car into a tree. Talk about extreme haha. Kodai's Pokemon defeated Bronzor, and Zorua attacked Kodai. That didn't work, and Zorua was thrown to the ground. Kodai used a claw to trap Zorua as it yelped for help. Zoroark heard it and it ran in that direction. Meanwhile, Celebi was revealed to have been in Ash's backpack the whole time, which was smart thinking on Ash's part. Ash made it to the Pokemon Baccers stadium but just as he saw the counter, Kodai arrived and had his Mismagius use Psychic to stop Ash. Zoroark arrived then, and it was going to attack Kodai for putting it through hell, but Kodai had Zorua in his hand and Zoroark stopped. Kodai then shocked Zorua and it made me so mad! Oh, he's a really nasty guy. Kodai's Pokemon attacked Zoroark, and she seemed really hurt. Kodai then encountered what he wanted: the "ripple of time". He released Zorua and used the claw mechanism to absorb the "ripple of time's" power. There was an explosion and the greenery started to disappear! Everything seemed hopeless, but then it was revealed that it had all just been a trick created by Zoroark's Illusion! Kodai seemed surprised since his wrist device usually revealed illusions, but it was broken due to Zorua's attack earlier.

Kurt and Rioka then appeared from out of the trees, and Kurt revealed that he had recorded all of Kodai's evil deeds on camera. Yes, that would be just the evidence they'd need to lock Kodai up for good. Zorua and Zoroark were about to reunite, but Kodai had Shuppet use Shadow Ball. Zoroark tried to block the attack, but it got hit over the chest. Kodai shocked Zoroark with that claw thing, but Zoroark sent a Dark Pulse through the cord and Kodai was hurt. Ash was then saved from Mismagius by Piplup as Dawn and Brock arrived. Nice to see them again. Mismagius and Shuppet were then defeated, and Kodai had no other Pokemon. I laughed when he stumbled backwards since he looked hilarious haha. Kodai was trying to get to the real "ripple of time", but the Shiny Beasts arrived and they cornered him. Kodai ran for it, and just then, Zoroark collapsed! Kodai arrived at the stadium but Zoroark created one last illusion, and Kodai fell to the field, apparently unconscious. Then Zoroark became unconscious itself. Zorua tried to awaken its "Maa", but she wouldn't wake up. It was sad to see, since Zoroark looked like she might be dead. As Zorua cried, it used Illusion to re-create their home in Isshu. It looked pretty, but Zorua’s cries for its mother made things too sad for me to enjoy. The "ripple of time" appeared and Celebi used its power to revive Zoroark! She was finally reunited with Zorua, and I admit that I shed a few tears, which has never happened to me while watching Pokemon before. Celebi made the flowers around the area bloom. We then got to hear that song that played in the 4th movie again; how nostalgic! Zorua thanked Celebi for all its help, and as Celebi left, Ash and the others said goodbye to it. As Kodai woke up, the video of the recent events played around Crown City and everyone learned of his evilness. Looks like Kodai is going bye-bye! Teehee. As Kurt and Rioka were headed back to Isshu on a ship, we saw Ash and Pikachu on the ship too. I was like "LolWOTT?!" but then we saw that it was just Zorua and Zoroark disguised as them haha. The real Ash then yelled his goodbye to Zorua, and it was sad to see them go. The last scene showed Team Rocket floating along one of Crown City's rivers, which was sort of funny in its own way. That was all the movie. I'm really glad that I got to watch it, even if it was in Japanese and therefore, hard for me to fully understand. Ironically, the 13th Movie dub was announced today, so I'm going to be watching that version of this movie very soon. As I said before, this movie was really good. It wasn't perfect, but it was much better than the previous Pokemon films, that's for sure. This Zoroark movie gets a nice rating of 9/10. Well then, stay faaaabulous~

Tyranitar Rules
23rd December 2010, 12:29 PM
The dub is taking so long to come out!

GaZsTiC
28th December 2010, 10:52 PM
It was an alright movie. I'm not gonna spend the time making a large review like Kira, but I will give some ratings:

Story – 7/10
Artwork – 9/10
Music – 7/10
Characters – 8/10
Overall – 8/10

Kudos to #PM for their good work as always.

Lorde
28th December 2010, 11:18 PM
Something tells me this is another Generic Pokemon movie.

Depends what you mean by "generic", really. I thought that the previous Pokemon films were "generic" because they featured the cover Pokemon from D/P/Pt. I think I enjoyed this movie a lot more because it showcased the Legendary Beasts all together for once, Celebi again, and Zorua and Zoroark. That cast was pretty big, but this movie juggles them all perfectly.


Wow, that one guy has a Koromori hat. Stealth 5th Gen appearance!

I noticed that at first when he appeared, and I was stunned that they made a Generation 5 reference like that. Way to go, movie animators :p


Good movie, seeing Jimmy with Donphan was very nice.
The end is amazing too, with Celebi saving the day. And good to see Zoroark and Zorua in this movie.

Yeah, but Jimmy only appeared for like 10 seconds at the beginning of the film, he didn't speak, and he didn't get the screentime promised to him in his bloody contract!

Anyway, it was obvious that Celebi would save the day. Someone had to, right?


Zoroark looks far more interesting in this movie than Lucario was in his

Lucario was your typical hero character in Movie 8. Zoroark on the other hand, is a bit more mysterious. We really didn't get to know her in this movie (even if it did focus on her). I hope she appears in a future episode of the anime or something.


Oh the ending credits. I love it!

I watched them the first time I watched the movie and I've gone back to watch them several times since then. I love the song that plays during the ending credits! I also loved the scenes showing Kodai and Goon going to prison, Zoey and Glameow in a forest while it rained, Paul near some ancient ruins, as well as the Sinnoh Gym Leaders and Elite Four. I think it was a nice tribute to the Sinnoh region and the Diamond & Pearl arc of the anime :]


My biggest complaint about the movie is the fact that Zoroark spent half the movie sitting in a cage. They really could have done so much more with her.. They could've showcased the Illusion abilities with her a bit more, rather than rely on Zorua's comedic transformations.

I was disappointed that Zoroark spent a lot of time off-screen as well. I thought the movie would focus entirely on her, but I still think it did a decent job of showcasing her and her abilities; Night Burst looked amazing, and I think they did well with her Illusion ability too.


The dub is taking so long to come out!

It'll premiere on TV in February. I think the whole "Movie 12 being dubbed early" thing has people expecting the same to happen with all other Pokemon movies :/


I'm not gonna spend the time making a large review like Kira

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Cobalt_Latios
4th January 2011, 11:21 PM
It was an alright movie. I'm not gonna spend the time making a large review like Kira, but I will give some ratings:

Story – 7/10
Artwork – 9/10
Music – 7/10
Characters – 8/10
Overall – 8/10

Kudos to #PM for their good work as always.
I'd probably notch up Story by 1, but otherwise, about the same. Yeah, thanks #PM. Best translaters out there.


Depends what you mean by "generic", really. I thought that the previous Pokemon films were "generic" because they featured the cover Pokemon from D/P/Pt. I think I enjoyed this movie a lot more because it showcased the Legendary Beasts all together for once, Celebi again, and Zorua and Zoroark. That cast was pretty big, but this movie juggles them all perfectly.
On that note, I still have to praise the DPPt trilogy for actually having some continuity; something that's actually unheard of in the Pokemon anime. Strange, I know.

But, Zorua, Zoroark, Celebi and the legendary beasts (gods? Okay, maybe) were done reasonably well. Zorua just stole the movie though, hihihi. Hahaha! That never gets old.

Also, this movie once again casts Celebi as a damn weakling, but overall this seems to be the case for all the mini-legends. However, Celebi is always deemed the weakest of them, and it never seems to like using any attacks. On the upside, the villain was far more resourceful than the villains in previous movies, and seeing as he's one of those "moguls", it actually makes you dislike him more in some cases.


I noticed that at first when he appeared, and I was stunned that they made a Generation 5 reference like that. Way to go, movie animators :p
I'll give them that. I noticed it too, but thought: "naw, they wouldn't try something like that... would they?"


Yeah, but Jimmy only appeared for like 10 seconds at the beginning of the film, he didn't speak, and he didn't get the screentime promised to him in his bloody contract!
Yeah, but the amazing First Movie shout-out was worth it. I mean really, look at it: Ash vs. Trainer with a Donphan, in a relatively similar setting, and this time he wins. I mean, look at it!


Lucario was your typical hero character in Movie 8. Zoroark on the other hand, is a bit more mysterious. We really didn't get to know her in this movie (even if it did focus on her). I hope she appears in a future episode of the anime or something.
Well sort of. Lucario had conflicting information about someone he regarded as his master, of sorts. Zoroark, on the other hand, was basically a very p!ssed off mother (well, from what I can gather), although she still manages to really get in some nice battle scenes. Aura Sphere is pretty cool and all, but Zoroark has a neat design, an awesome ability, quite the "mischievous" personality (moreso with Zorua, but you get the idea), and had a decent array of attacks (Dark Pulse, Dark Burst (I think), and I'm guessing Night Slash?). Lucario only ever used Aura Sphere, and it wasn't until it was showcased in the anime that it actually used stuff like Metal Claw (best way to use it though), and Bone Rush.

Ash: (based on subs) "I'll have to visit your homeland someday".

Could this have been ANY more obvious as indication that he would have been going to Unova? I mean, it's not like we didn't know, but I mean, really?


I also loved the scenes showing Kodai and Goon going to prison, Zoey and Glameow in a forest while it rained, Paul near some ancient ruins, as well as the Sinnoh Gym Leaders and Elite Four. I think it was a nice tribute to the Sinnoh region and the Diamond & Pearl arc of the anime :]
You know something, I think this movie concludes Sinnoh better than the show did. I mean, they showcased everybody. They did quick cameo clips for both Zoey and Paul (not to mention, their first movie appearance). In a way, even though the anime did do the whole festival arc, the league arc and the quick finisher, this movie is the best transition between gen's yet; you not only get a good teaser for some 5th gen Pokemon, you also get to see little hints of their actual region.


I was disappointed that Zoroark spent a lot of time off-screen as well. I thought the movie would focus entirely on her, but I still think it did a decent job of showcasing her and her abilities; Night Burst looked amazing, and I think they did well with her Illusion ability too.
Night Burst, that's was it was. I kept thinking "Dark Burst". Oh well, close enough. Sure, Zoroark didn't get as much screen time, but when it did, it did things. After all, can't do a whole lot when you're someones "pawn" now can you?

At least Zorua made up for it. Oh god did it ever. I'll be completely honest, I love Zoroark's design and what she did, but Zorua was hysterical. I love how it does that spinning thing and becomes either a person or a Pokemon. It doesn't seem to have the people part figured out, but oh well. Although... Zorua-Dawn, yeah... (ain't touching this one), although, Zorua doing so more than once was amusing. I love how it keeps its cheshire cat like smile even when in it's illusion state. Hihihi!

I also love how powerful Zoroark's illusion is. Wow. That one scene just blew me away. Although, when Zoroark did that one illusion to Kodai... I half expected him to fall and injure something badly, not be unconscious. Eh, oh well, at least he went to jail for it. Then again, Annie/Oakley did something similar, and they went to jail.

Yes, I actually thought that Zoroark made that illusion to essentially "kill" Kodai. Given what that guy did to her, I don't think it would have been that crazy to believe.


It'll premiere on TV in February. I think the whole "Movie 12 being dubbed early" thing has people expecting the same to happen with all other Pokemon movies :/
I'm not. I'm actually mad at CN for doing that. Why? They completely ruined the rhythm that we had going for us. Hopefully it gets fixed this year, as movie 12 comes out on DVD in February, but good lord, that's too long. Movie 12 aired on CN back in November '09! We're in '11. We should have had the DVD already!


http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee480/fukiyosecity/TrollfaceZorua.png
XD! That about sums up Zorua in this. You don't mind if I "borrow" it for future use, do ya?

This movie has also got to be the best indication of Isshu/Unova being a foreign country. I mean sure, Zorua and Zoroark are new, but put it this way, they were "imported" via airship to wherever Crown City is. NO ONE, except the news-reporters (and lets face it, with that kind of job, you are going places), know that much about Zorua or Zoroark. In past movies, sometimes the main characters may have some idea of what they are, or at least you get a lot of different Pokemon from different gens. Notice how they're wasn't anything other than Zorua Zoroark? And how they're homeland is so distant? I thought that was a really neat way to establish just how foreign Isshu/Unova really is. And a very good decision.

In case you don't really get where I'm going, lemme try this: In previous movies, whenever they went to showcase the new gen, they'd usually have quite a few of them. First Movie had a bunch, 2000 had a whole lot, 4ever had a few during the short, Heroes had several (took Latios long enough to actually appear in the anime though... hope it doesn't take long for Latias), Destiny Deoxys had Munchlax (a pre-evo), movie 8 [hate typing out long titles] had several (all were either evo/pre-evo), movie 9 had some... and then we finally get to see gen 5 in 13. I'm convinced it's because of where Isshu is situated.

Well, finally got a chance to watch it. Actually, it wasn't so much that, it was more or less that fact that Kotaku had an article for the current going legendary beasts event going on related to this movie. I figured, that I would check for some clips of Zoroark from the preview as to give people an idea of why they're getting the "guardian gods" or such in order to obtain Zoroark in Black/White.

While doing so, I noticed that the 13th movie had already been uploaded. I was going to watch it, but it lacked subtitles, and despite me being willing to watch Pokemon episodes unsubbed, the movies are a different beast, so I turned to my trusted subbed Pokemon movie source: #PM.

Wow. Pretty good. Felt like a mix of movies 4, 5, 8, 9, 11 and maybe a tinge of 6, and 10 thrown in for kicks.

I was a bit disappointed with the lack of an opening theme remix like they've usually done, but because the format for this one was jarringly different, I'll let it slide. Also, amusing little red herring they had going with that one Bocca fan (you should know who I'm talking about here). She wasn't significant at all, but hey, it wasn't all bad.

Zorua is a troll, and a mischievous little brat, but I love the guy for all the hysterical hijinks that occurred. Especially his illusion ability. While not nearly as potent as Zoroark's, it was especially funny to watch it spin and morph. Also, I love how each and every movie they're getting less and less weirded out by the whole "telepathy" gig for some of these guys. Eh, it still happened, and it was hilarious.

I'm actually quite glad that they surprisingly stayed pretty close to using typing and such. Usually, there are some glaringly painful inconsistencies in terms of what attacks are actually having an effect, but this time, they didn't do half bad with it.

And probably my biggest relief, Ash and co. aren't nearly as dim as in previous ones. Who can forget that hilarious repetition scene in movie 12? Best fix there. Sadly, TR was.... well.... there. I'm glad Best Wishes fixed them, because I honestly can't stand them like that.

Also, I nominate Kodai as one of the most persistent villains in any of the movies. who agrees?

Compared to previous ones, I actually like this one quite a bit. movies 9,5,12, and maybe 3 are the ones I like the most (2 only has Lugia as a redeeming factor), while the rest of them are hit and miss.

Also, that's it. I am now convinced that everyone is short in this series. Zoroark *checks spp pokedex* is 5'03 in height. She's taller than half the cast, barring Brock. So... I'm guessing Ash, Dawn, and a few others are somewhere just over 4' in height. Yeah, I know, technical little thing, it just bugs me a little bit.

Also, 4th Kira, quick suggestion: post your thoughts in little chunks as paragraphs. Spoiler tag the rest of it in case we want to know a bit more of your opinion. Just a thought.

Also... I. Will. Be. Amazed. If Ash sees a Zorua/Zoroark in Unova in Best Wishes, and makes a reference to this event. It's incredibly unlikely, but so far, BW has mixed things up to the point where it's pretty much probable. Doubtful, but hey.

edit: I think it may be possible, considering Ash actually mentions the Orange Islands when he encounters Lugia during the Whirl Islands arc back in Johto.

Also, this movie + End Credits pretty serves as the best way to conclude DPPt, advert some HGSS, and transition to Black/White pretty nicely.


Also, after the end credits, there was this little thing involving Celebi, Pikachu, Piplup and fanart Pokemon cards for the movie. After seeing Tron Legacy, all I could think of while watching that were the light cycles. Tron: Pokemon Edition? HAHAHA, LOL!! I joke!

C_L

Lorde
5th January 2011, 6:41 AM
XD! That about sums up Zorua in this. You don't mind if I "borrow" it for future use, do ya?

It's free to use. I "borrowed" it from someone and I've been using it for various reasons (probably because it looks so comical). I liked Zorua in this movie a whole lot, and I really think it "stole the show". I was thinking that Zoroark was going to be the featured Pokemon in this movie (since the movie is named after her), but Zorua seemed to get the most screentime; even beating Celebi. I'm hoping that Zorua is given a voice that is similar to its Japanese voice in the dubbed version of this film, since anything else would just sound ridiculous. I'm especially hoping that they keep Zorua's little "Kihihihi" giggle-thing intact in the dubbed version. Anyway, I'll revise my review of the film once I've watched the dub for it.

Cobalt_Latios
6th January 2011, 3:12 AM
It's free to use. I "borrowed" it from someone and I've been using it for various reasons (probably because it looks so comical). I liked Zorua in this movie a whole lot, and I really think it "stole the show".
Completely agreed. I just thought it was hysterical how it can talk, Ash and co. are just passively talking along with him, and then it suddenly occurs to them that he can talk.

I love how he randomly illusifies himself into either Ash, Brock or Dawn. He's just so nonchalant about it, it just sold it so well.


I was thinking that Zoroark was going to be the featured Pokemon in this movie (since the movie is named after her), but Zorua seemed to get the most screentime; even beating Celebi.
At least the dub title is still relevant to what the movies about; "Zoroark: Master of Illusions". Based on a few events that occur involving her, it's pretty damn accurate.


I'm hoping that Zorua is given a voice that is similar to its Japanese voice in the dubbed version of this film, since anything else would just sound ridiculous.
Yeah, this so much. Otherwise, Zorua's "trolling" won't have the same effect. Make him sound like a kid... but a rather "bratty" one, and I'll be fine with it.


I'm especially hoping that they keep Zorua's little "Kihihihi" giggle-thing intact in the dubbed version.
You know, as long as they keep this, I'll be happy with any voice they use. Heck, they don't even have to dub it over; just choose a voice that sounds relatively similar and do that.

C_L

BlueDragonfangirl
11th January 2011, 7:34 AM
Ok so I saw the subbed version and loved every minute of it, my favorite part had to be Zorua transforming into every one and showing his tail each time. I loved seeing it as Ash though, the ending was another favorite part of mine. LOL Ash telling it to not transform into him again was funny. Over all its one of my favorites and I do attend to watch the English dubbed version.

fuzzychi05
2nd February 2011, 11:31 PM
I really enjoyed Zorua - he's definitely a Japanese fox of legend, very tricky and transforms into other people to fool them. I loved him to pieces, especially how you can change him back by grabbing his tail. The ending song reminded me of the 3rd opening of FMA: Brotherhood (Golden Time Lover by Sukima Switch). Probably the same artist, but I can't find it in the credits (as I can't read Japanese). I was disappointed with the ending though because I thought the animation for the DP gym leaders was sub-par compared to the rest of the film. I missed Ash's battle with some random trainer in the beginning. I guess the "Boccer" game was supposed to be a substitute. Boccer is a rather interesting concept, even if the name is somewhat lacking. Overall, I enjoyed the movie.

ZoroarkFox
3rd February 2011, 7:43 AM
I really enjoyed Zorua - he's definitely a Japanese fox of legend, very tricky and transforms into other people to fool them. I loved him to pieces, especially how you can change him back by grabbing his tail.

I enjoyed Zorua so much I actually talked a friend of mine into importing a plushie from Japan for me X3
I just LOVE him too

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The Eleventh
3rd February 2011, 11:42 PM
English names for characters have been revealed: Link (http://www.pokemonthemovie.com/zoroark/#char)

Kodai keeps his name, and Goon is now known as Goone. :P

Cobalt_Latios
5th February 2011, 7:19 AM
So... knowing Kodai is actually from Unova as he's from Raimon city (I don't quite recall what the English name for it is... but I know it starts with an N), doesn't that sort of seem... "fitting" to some extent, considering all the things he does?

Yeah, I think I'll wait till tomorrow to divulge into more information. On another note, doesn't it seem fun to know that we actually got told the name of one of the cities of Unova ahead of time? Not just a new Pokemon, we got the name of an actual city from the new region. That sort of thing just doesn't happen.

Tomorrow, I'm excited :D.

/CL

playerking
5th February 2011, 2:02 PM
Yeah Kodai is from Raimon city, but in english i think it's called Nimbassa.

Typhlosion Trainer
5th February 2011, 8:48 PM
Im lookin forward to seeing this movie in 4 hours. Hopefully its a good one.

Shneak
5th February 2011, 10:05 PM
It looks like the full version of We Will Carry On might be in this movie. IIRC, Ash fights Ethan at the beginning, right? That may be a good spot.

Marbi Z
5th February 2011, 11:51 PM
I can't wait till it Premires on Cartoon Network! I even got a blank tape ready so I can still watch it until the DVD is realesed!

s2daam
5th February 2011, 11:58 PM
Zorua is uber cute in the movie. Watched it when I was in Japan.. and now gonna be able to watch the dub :D

The Eleventh
6th February 2011, 12:38 AM
How long until it airs in the US?

Rentaline99
6th February 2011, 1:05 AM
They skipped the whole intro. WTH?

Hyper Tails
6th February 2011, 1:12 AM
They skipped the whole intro. WTH?

Yeah, that surprised me as well. They started at the title sequence, and I just thought that maybe they moved its place. That would be fine, but they skipped the whole beginning. I guess they needed room for the commercials. >_>

Rentaline99
6th February 2011, 1:17 AM
I am disappoint.
Now, my little cousin is saying where did this all come from? Skiploom evolves into Zorua after falling from the sky?

catzeye
6th February 2011, 1:18 AM
They skipped the whole intro. WTH?

This might make the movie confusing to people who haven't seen it. It just makes the movie plot seem random...

A_Merry_Snowrunt
6th February 2011, 1:18 AM
Yeah, that surprised me as well. They started at the title sequence, and I just thought that maybe they moved its place. That would be fine, but they skipped the whole beginning. I guess they needed room for the commercials. >_>

Wait, are you speaking about the intro as in Ash vs. Gold and The Pokemon World Prelude?

edit- wait, they skipped the entire whole scene with Zorua escaping from the bad guys and Zoroark being tortured?!

Rentaline99
6th February 2011, 1:22 AM
Wait, are you speaking about the intro as in Ash vs. Gold and The Pokemon World Prelude?

edit- wait, they skipped the entire whole scene with Zorua escaping from the bad guys and Zoroark being tortured?!

Yes. They skipped it all. :/

A_Merry_Snowrunt
6th February 2011, 1:24 AM
Yes. They skipped it all. :/

Well, there is always the DVD correct? I'll buy that. When does it release?

R_N
6th February 2011, 1:27 AM
The Vigoroth scene is great. Zorua is quite bratty, no? "he he he he he"
Zorua's dub voice is great; just perfect for a little kid Pokemon. I like how the kids are just so nonchalant about telepathy speaking Pokemon at this point.
omg Ashrua is hilarious

Zorrrark? Zorark?
SUPER ZOROARK AWAYYYYYY
You'd think the vaillains would move their GIANT AIR FORTRESS away from city view to avoid detection.

Celebi the makeshift alarm clock is just silly.

Oh my god the pink haired kid is the most annoying person already. Cammie pedlling Tangrowth is hilarious, though; awwww friendly Mightyena is such a nice change of pace. Remember when everyone thought Zoroark would be a Mightyena evo?
There guys are so happy to see Celebi back; Surely nothing is going to go wrong!

Zoroark seems perfectly capable of causing fear all by itself, honestly; wait is this guy like an evil reporter? Oh goodness I'm in a James Bond movie aren't I. All things considered this is a very interesting Town Destruction scene I've seen in a while. Although, how much of this is just an illusion

Hahahah holy crap it is the Corrupt the News; Take the World plot.
I didn't expect the shiny beasts to be the REAL beasts; honestly I thought if anything Zoroark would be the shiny beasts to show their fake.

Ash you idiot. "OH NO legendary Pokemon are destorying the city?!? BUT WHAT ABOUT THE POKEMON BACCERS"
Mema=mama? Odd change, yet oddly endearing
Knowing the journalist is from Unova, it suddenly makes a lot of sense as to why he'd know about Zorua & Zoorark so much.

Kodan can see the future? Interesting. (sidenote: Iris' voice is nice)

Rentaline99
6th February 2011, 1:29 AM
There's also the mall tour that shows the movie in theaters that started today. I have no clue when the DVD releases.

BestWish16
6th February 2011, 1:29 AM
Wow, I honestly can't believe they skipped all of that. Now we don't know about Nimbasa City either. (Or aren't supposed to.) Stupid CN. That pretty much put a plot hole in the entire thing.

ShinyVaati
6th February 2011, 1:30 AM
So Cartoon Network loves their commercials so much the cut out the entire opening scenes... lovely now the rest of the movie is going to be confusing as heck, those opening scenes explain why everything is even going on. Ah well, hopefully the DVD comes soon.

At least Zorua's voice is cute, and Kodai's is pretty good. But why change Kurt's name to Carl? I don't really see the point there.

R_N
6th February 2011, 1:30 AM
This might make the movie confusing to people who haven't seen it. It just makes the movie plot seem random...

I'm a bit sad you seem to think viewers are idiots. I've gone into this knowing very very little, and even I could put two and two together. I didn't even know there was an extended intro.

So Cartoon Network loves their commercials so much the cut out the entire opening scenes... lovely now the rest of the movie is going to be confusing as heck, those opening scenes explain why everything is even going on. Ah well, hopefully the DVD comes soon.

At least Zorua's voice is cute, and Kodai's is pretty good. But why change Kurt's name to Carl? I don't really see the point there.

They probably didn't want another character named Kurt considering, you know, Kurt the Pokeball maker.

Hyper Tails
6th February 2011, 1:34 AM
I have mixed feelings on Zorua's dub voice. It fits him, but at the same time it sounds really weird when he says "Mee Maa" instead of just "ma" or "mama". It sounds kind of forced.

catzeye
6th February 2011, 1:40 AM
I'm a bit sad you seem to think viewers are idiots. I've gone into this knowing very very little, and even I could put two and two together. I didn't even know there was an extended intro.

I'm not saying I think the viewers are idiots. I just feel that the intro gave a little insight to the rest of the plot. The intro makes everything flow a bit better. I'm not saying you can't get the plot with out it, but the intro helps.

A_Merry_Snowrunt
6th February 2011, 1:42 AM
Zorua sounds, quite interesting. It reminds me a bit of Shaymin. Also, was that Lisa Ortiz?

Cobalt_Latios
6th February 2011, 1:52 AM
The Vigoroth scene is great. Zorua is quite bratty, no? "he he he he he"
Zorua's dub voice is great; just perfect for a little kid Pokemon.
Oh god yes! Thank you :DD. I can't wait now! At least I can reassured that Zorua has a great dub voice.


Knowing the journalist is from Unova, it suddenly makes a lot of sense as to why he'd know about Zorua & Zoorark so much.
Hmm... wasn't aware he was actually from Unova. Should have clued into it when he mentioned he'd been "after" Kodai for so long.


(sidenote: Iris' voice is nice)
Heh?

/CL

R_N
6th February 2011, 1:55 AM
Kodai's vision being physically exhausting is actually kind of neat; I don't think I"ve seen a painful interpretation of this before. Oh Time wrinkle, it sounded like Time Riddle

Did they really have to keep Goon, "Goon?"

TANGROWTH SURPRISE

Why does he keep the broadcast going the entire time. You'd think the point would have got across.
Celebi is kind of petty to stop visiting the town when it withered; it clearly has the power to rejuvinate things.

Zoroark's anguish is really sad. As is Zorua's sadness over trying to find his mema : (
I like the scene where the Pokemon gang up on Zorua for thinking he's related to all this on purpose; it's just a nice touch to have them do something.

Celebi is the best placator; EVERYONE STOP FIGHTING AND EAT DAMMIT. Mischievous Celebi is so cute.

God Kurt is huge; I figured Brock was roughly the size of a grown man.

Kodai is a very determined villain. Always seems one step ahead and always prepared, too. I like him a lot more than the other villains so far, I think.

Huh, Zoroark in the shadows of the cage looks almost exactly like its Shiny version. Interesting coincidence, or reference to the movie?

See? Celebi could have totally saved the town.
alsjdbas;bdasbas the Zorua & Zoroark sleeping scene is super adorable

Why would you just come out and admite you're undercover? What if Goon or Kodai were nearby? Or had security tapes?

So Kodai wants to absorb Celebi's time ripple to forever see the future and control the news (basically)? Quite the plot, I must admit. Certainly unique.

R_N
6th February 2011, 1:57 AM
Oh god yes! Thank you :DD. I can't wait now! At least I can reassured that Zorua has a great dub voice.


His little giggle is fantastic.

Hmm... wasn't aware he was actually from Unova. Should have clued into it when he mentioned he'd been "after" Kodai for so long.I was wrong, he's from Crown City but I'm guessing he's been to Unova for an extended time. Probably where he got the Woobat hat.



Heh?

/CL
CN showed a brief bumper for the BW series that starts next week, had a brief clip of Iris saying hello before being zapped by Pikachu.

torterra82
6th February 2011, 1:58 AM
Ok the movie is finally coming on in three minutes where I live. I always loved the extended music in the begginning even if the lyrics are weird.

Hyper Tails
6th February 2011, 2:00 AM
Ok the movie is finally coming on in three minutes where I live. I always loved the extended music in the begginning even if the lyrics are weird.

There's no music this time around.

Cobalt_Latios
6th February 2011, 2:08 AM
Celebi is kind of petty to stop visiting the town when it withered; it clearly has the power to rejuvinate things.
Sure... but rejuvenating an entire city? That would take quite a bit of power to do, legendary or not.


Kodai is a very determined villain. Always seems one step ahead and always prepared, too. I like him a lot more than the other villains so far, I think.
When you're as power hungry as he is (monetary wise), can see into the future, and is as smug as he is, he'd have to be. But, yeah, I agree that he's probably one of the most persistent villains. Also, when you're the head of a company, you kind of want to stay there, so being informed of things is kind of big. He'd have the resources to get that done.

And Rioka has mad video editing skillz, no?


Why would you just come out and admite you're undercover? What if Goon or Kodai were nearby? Or had security tapes?
They left her in charge of the ship; clearly she could have shut everything down. That, and at this point, Kodai/Goon is more concerned with the Ripple of Time; they wouldn't really care so much about what happens on board, as that's what she's doing there.


So Kodai wants to absorb Celebi's time ripple to forever see the future and control the news (basically)? Quite the plot, I must admit. Certainly unique.
Remember when he see's himself getting the Time Ripple? Keep that in mind. Best "WTF?" moment of the movie.


His little giggle is fantastic.
Does it sound close to "kihihihi"? Or is it more like "hihihihihi"?


I was wrong, he's from Crown City but I'm guessing he's been to Unova for an extended time. Probably where he got the Woobat hat.
Oh. Man, 1 month since seeing the film subbed and I already forgot? Shame...


CN showed a brief bumper for the BW series that starts next week, had a brief clip of Iris saying hello before being zapped by Pikachu.
Who's voice does it sound closest to?

edit:

Ok the movie is finally coming on in three minutes where I live. I always loved the extended music in the begginning even if the lyrics are weird.
Yeah, no they aren't doing that this time. Kind of a shame really, but seeing as the format for this movie is drastically different from previous ones, I let it slide. At least the one for movie 12 was done well.

/CL

R_N
6th February 2011, 2:15 AM
Good god the time ripple transference sounds incredibly painful. And that's how the town became withered? Yeesh, no wonder Celebi couldn't fix anything. How disastrous.
And he doesn't care about the town at all; definitely the best villain in the past 12 movies.

Piplup just...just stop going near trees.

The illusion effect is fascinating; looks like any attack done while under Illusion is just a really convincing trick.

Oh right the shiny beasts were still a thing that was happening. Angry Zoroark is free!
Time for a misunderstood fight scene between 4th gen fanservice and 5th gen promotion.

Poor Celebi & Zorua. Kodai is just plain cruel, nearly chocking Celebi like that.

Oh! The beasts even have their event skills.

Oh hey Togekiss, sup.
Riona know is not the time to suddenly try hiding yourself! Kodai gets over betrayals quite quickly, already planning.

Nice bit of game mechanic continuity, having Zoroark instantly shed the illusion upon being hit.


And Rioka has mad video editing skillz, no?

Able to destroy landmarks like that and make it seem so real is quite the feat, yes.


They left her in charge of the ship; clearly she could have shut everything down. That, and at this point, Kodai/Goon is more concerned with the Ripple of Time; they wouldn't really care so much about what happens on board, as that's what she's doing there.
Oh, I guess I missed that. Makes slightly more sense, then.


Does it sound close to "kihihihi"? Or is it more like "hihihihihi"?"hihihihi", or the k is very silent.



Who's voice does it sound closest to?


No idea.

A_Merry_Snowrunt
6th February 2011, 2:18 AM
Is it me or does Kodai's vehicle (the floating thing) look like Genosect's head from an angle? Look at the yellow bulbs and you'll see. Also, I hear Zoroark kept its original Japanese voice and perhaps Celebi too, but I'm not sure.

R_N
6th February 2011, 2:20 AM
Is it me or does Kodai's vehicle (the floating thing) look like Genosect's head from an angle? Look at the yellow bulbs and you'll see. Also, I hear Zoroark kept its original Japanese voice and perhaps Celebi too, but I'm not sure.
Celebi's is probably the same, sounds exactly like it did in the 4th movie.

I don't really see the resemblance, by the way.

A_Merry_Snowrunt
6th February 2011, 2:26 AM
Celebi's is probably the same, sounds exactly like it did in the 4th movie.

I don't really see the resemblance, by the way.

Look at the head of a Genosect.

Compare the head to the vehicle.

http://serebii.net/movies/celebi/pics/M796.jpg

s2daam
6th February 2011, 2:28 AM
Can someone tell me what the name of the city that was spoke about in the best wishes commercial?!

R_N
6th February 2011, 2:30 AM
Look at the head of a Genosect.

Compare the head to the vehicle.

http://serebii.net/movies/celebi/pics/M796.jpg

I still don't see the resemblance. Just not enough to resemble GenEsect

A_Merry_Snowrunt
6th February 2011, 2:33 AM
Can someone tell me what the name of the city that was spoke about in the best wishes commercial?!

Nimbasa City; therefore, it was originally Raimon City. As Carl said.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Raimon_City

Cobalt_Latios
6th February 2011, 2:39 AM
Good god the time ripple transference sounds incredibly painful. And that's how the town became withered? Yeesh, no wonder Celebi couldn't fix anything. How disastrous.
Told ya.


And he doesn't care about the town at all; definitely the best villain in the past 12 movies.
Definitely


The illusion effect is fascinating; looks like any attack done while under Illusion is just a really convincing trick.
You ain't seen nothing yet... ;).


Poor Celebi & Zorua. Kodai is just plain cruel, nearly chocking Celebi like that.
Appropriate, but not strong enough. Keep watching.


Riona know is not the time to suddenly try hiding yourself! Kodai gets over betrayals quite quickly, already planning.
He already saw her betrayal in one of his visions. He just wasn't entirely sure when.


"hihihihi", or the k is very silent.
Good enough.

/CL

R_N
6th February 2011, 2:40 AM
Hahaha Zoroark is all "all according to keikaku"
Brilliant plan.

oh god this reunion is ridiculously adora--Kodai wow
Zoroark is also huge, isn't she? And one last illusion for Kodai to boot...

They did a good job of making this illusion of Unova look really nice. Does anyone know if this is from anywhere in particular form the games?

aaand movie over. I think this is probably my new favorite Pokemon movie, nothing about it I didn't like. I don't see how someone could watch it and label it The Worst Pokemon Movie Ever coughpokebeachcoughcough

Cobalt_Latios
6th February 2011, 2:47 AM
Hahaha Zoroark is all "all according to keikaku"
Brilliant plan.
One hell of an illusion, no?


oh god this reunion is ridiculously adora--Kodai wow
Zoroark is also huge, isn't she? And one last illusion for Kodai to boot...
To put it into perspective... assume everyone besides Carl, Rioka, and Brock are at least 4' tall. Zoroark (when standing) is a little over 5' tall. So, Zoroark isn't huge, everyone is just really short.


They did a good job of making this illusion of Unova look really nice. Does anyone know if this is from anywhere in particular form the games?
I would go out on a limb and say this is "Illusion Forest", but seeing as that's a field I don't think it would be.

Then again, Spear Pillar is at the summit of Mt. Coronet... outside. In the anime it was underground. So, inconsistencies are abound.

in short, couldn't tell ya.

edit: Oh yeah, what did you think about Zoroark OHKO'ing them Scizor?

/CL

BestWish16
6th February 2011, 2:48 AM
And they also skipped through the ending credits... good job on this CN. Great job. /sarcasm Anyway the actual movie was pretty good, although it felt like they just shoved Zoroark in there for nothing... Oh well, nice job as always.

A_Merry_Snowrunt
6th February 2011, 2:51 AM
Well, WB did this with Destiny Deoxys years ago. There is always the Mall Tour Event where we can watch it. Also, it's the first movie to air in theaters ever since Heroes. And get this, that was back in 2003. Now, to look forward to the DVD release whenever that is. (hopefully not next year like Arceus)

MidnightMelody
6th February 2011, 2:52 AM
Awww no full version of We Will carry On :(

Emperor Empoleon
6th February 2011, 2:53 AM
Just finished it. Not a bad movie. Mother & son thing was tragicute and Zoroark is a BEAST :3

I was hoping CN would show us full screen credits though DX But what I could see was pretty cool. Shots their rivals, the gym leaders and Paul at the Snowpoint ruins(I think .___.) was a nice touch to the ending.

..Rise of Darkrai was still the best DP movie imo XP

Dattebayo
6th February 2011, 2:55 AM
That was a thrilling movie to see. Zoroark showing off what he can do with his ability, as well as Night Burst, which reminded me of Shadow's Chaos Blast. I chuckled at the fact that how Dawn gets mad when Zoura changes into her form (well it's her fault for wearing such a revealing outfit :P). The shiny beasts put a big smile on my face, and for the first time, Raikou finally appears in a Pokemon movie. Kodai is really tied with Zero here as he almost succeeded in achieving his goal the second time. The only thing I'm disappointed about is that now Ho-oh is the only legendary left who has yet to appear in a Pokemon movie. Overall, this is really the biggest finale of the DP saga, and now I will retire from watching the anime, so spoilers regarding the B&W saga are welcome for me.

R_N
6th February 2011, 2:55 AM
And they also skipped through the ending credits... good job on this CN. Great job. Anyway the actual movie was pretty good, although it felt like they just shoved Zoroark in there for nothing... Oh well, nice job as always.

Well, not so much skipped as squsihed to the side and played at double speed.

Yeah ,Zoroark didn't do much other than act as motivation for Zorua, but she didn't really need to do much, and what she did do was pretty important.

deoxysdude94
6th February 2011, 2:58 AM
Great movie. I have to admit the creators of the pokemon movies always do a really good job. I think this was one of the best. I like how the older movies (like the ones with mewtwo and lugia) had themes though. Now the movies don't, but are still good.

Navy Helm
6th February 2011, 2:59 AM
What is it that Zorua calls Zoroark? It sounds like "Mima". If so, where did that come from?

Hyper Tails
6th February 2011, 3:03 AM
What is it that Zorua calls Zoroark? It sounds like "Mima". If so, where did that come from?

He calls her his "Mee Maa" in the dub, as I stated earlier. I'm not sure about its origin.

A_Merry_Snowrunt
6th February 2011, 3:06 AM
What's hilarious is how Pokemon.com posted a picture of zoroark disguising as Ash in the movie, whereas it never happened.

http://www.pokemon.com/us/movies/movie-pokemonzoroark-master-of-illusions-february-2011/

look at image 9.

Hyper Tails
6th February 2011, 3:09 AM
What's hilarious is how Pokemon.com posted a picture of zoroark disguising as Ash in the movie, whereas it never happened.

They took all their images from the trailer for the movie. Nothing that happened in the trailers ever happened in movie. I would really love to know if the trailer was an alternate storyline they had but didn't go with, or just something to provide an "illusion" to all of us of what the movie would be about.

Dattebayo
6th February 2011, 3:11 AM
What's hilarious is how Pokemon.com posted a picture of zoroark disguising as Ash in the movie, whereas it never happened.

http://www.pokemon.com/us/movies/movie-pokemonzoroark-master-of-illusions-february-2011/

look at image 9.

Wow, talk about false advertising, don't you think?

BestWish16
6th February 2011, 3:11 AM
What's hilarious is how Pokemon.com posted a picture of zoroark disguising as Ash in the movie, whereas it never happened.

http://www.pokemon.com/us/movies/movie-pokemonzoroark-master-of-illusions-february-2011/

look at image 9.

Actually from the teaser for the film,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69pUbkezWv0

Bestgamepearl
6th February 2011, 3:12 AM
mood swings ftw at the end. Pretty good movie tho

Draknir
6th February 2011, 3:15 AM
I find it completely stupid that they skipped the intro, and then finished fifteen minutes early. If they truly are idiots they are now wondering why this happened.

I personally found this movie more enjoyable than the last one. Zoroark basically destroying the square it first dropped into was just plain awesome. Zorua's dub voice definitely fits a mischievous child. When they create the big illusions, it is truly awesome.

The beasts were also awesome, and I am so totally not biased about them at all. *brick'd* I'm surprised that they only knew one of their special moves, though one can say that the events were given them to add more pizazz to them.

A_Merry_Snowrunt
6th February 2011, 3:18 AM
I always wonder why teasers turn out different than the actual film. Remember how this was originally going to be a Ho-oH and Lugia film and yet turned out to be Zoroark? The same also applies to the very rare elusive Japanese teaser that never happened thanks to Pokemon's Popularity.

@Entei- Hold on, you mean they skipped the credits and ending and right after the film ended, there were fifteen minutes left? My god CN, that's absurd. The opening and credits don't last more than 3 minutes right?

Lol, someone over at /vp/ mentioned how this could have been the very same Celebi from movie 4 and people made reaction faces.

lucario beast
6th February 2011, 3:24 AM
i realy liked this movie but i wonder why zoroark cant talk it also taught me how to pronunce zoroark

Aura24
6th February 2011, 3:28 AM
The english dub pronounced the name Zoroark, "Zoro-ark". While the original japanese say it like "Zo-roark".

PokeFandom
6th February 2011, 3:30 AM
I was a little disappointed that we didn't get a snlv extended song. Today I watched the beginning on the Japanese version on YouTube and ash battled Ethan from Heartgold like in all movies how he battles a trainer. I was disappointed they cut the beginning down and showed the credits in the corner.

I liked the plot though. Man the villian was pretty mean. I liked his personality, but I think his goal could have been better somewhat. The whole time ripple thing didn't really make sense to me. I also liked the journalist with the woobat looking hat. He seemed like an interesting character.

I wish Zoroark would have been shown a little more, but the scenes with him were really good. I kinda wanted to see what Pokemon Baccer was like in the English version.

Overall, I give this movie a 8/10.

Aura24
6th February 2011, 3:32 AM
Zoroark was female in the movie.

A_Merry_Snowrunt
6th February 2011, 3:33 AM
In other words, "Corrupt The Media, Obtain World Domination!" like that one user said!

Did they say Celebi Confirmed in this movie? Lol.

darklord18
6th February 2011, 3:34 AM
how was proof dub voice acter?

just wondering

Shneak
6th February 2011, 3:34 AM
So any new music?

*waits for Youtube upload*

Pokénaut
6th February 2011, 3:34 AM
I chuckled at the fact that how Dawn gets mad when Zoura changes into her form (well it's her fault for wearing such a revealing outfit :P).I LOL when Zorua turns into Dawn and bends over and Piplup is in the back with a shocked face. And CN sucks for taking out the Prologue, credits and the Victini teaser.

Aura24
6th February 2011, 3:35 AM
So any new music?

*waits for Youtube upload*

CN didn't let us hear the credits song...

Duality Ninja
6th February 2011, 3:35 AM
Watching it tomorrow, despite the fact that it starts again in 25 minutes. So pumped, minus the scrapped intro.

A_Merry_Snowrunt
6th February 2011, 3:38 AM
So any new music?

*waits for Youtube upload*
We WERE expecting an extended version of "We Will Carry On" but CN had to be so stuck up with the time constraints, we lost about 8-15 minutes of the movie....How long do the introductions and credits usually last?

Aura24
6th February 2011, 3:40 AM
We WERE expecting an extended version of "We Will Carry On" but CN had to be so stuck up with the time constraints, we lost about 8-15 minutes of the movie....How long do the introductions and credits usually last?

I swear CN doesn't even know how much information in the movie they feature is lost whenever they cut out something, like the prologue and credits, just so they'll get more advertisements in.

Shneak
6th February 2011, 3:42 AM
So there was a credits song? CN sucks.

Maybe YTV will get it right, whenever it comes up north.

Lorde
6th February 2011, 3:43 AM
And CN sucks for taking out the Prologue, credits and the Victini teaser.

CN has nothing to do with the teaser not being shown. I believe TPCI were the ones who removed the teaser, although for good reason.

Anyway, I wanted to ask: where was it said that Zorua and Zoroark aren't related? I've heard tons of people claim that Zoroark wasn't really Zorua's mother and that Zorua was just adopted by Zoroark and stuff. That sounds like bad fan fiction to me, but a lot of people are sticking with this so it makes me wonder where it was officially stated.

Aura24
6th February 2011, 3:45 AM
CN has nothing to do with the teaser not being shown.

Anyway, I wanted to ask: where was it said that Zorua and Zoroark aren't related? I've heard tons of people claim that Zoroark wasn't really Zorua's mother and that Zorua was just adopted by Zoroark and stuff. That sounds like bad fan fiction to me, but a lot of people are sticking with this so it makes me wonder where it was officially stated.

On the official Zoroark Master of Illusions website, it stated that Zoroark was a lone wolf before she started caring for Zorua.

Pokénaut
6th February 2011, 3:47 AM
Anyway, I wanted to ask: where was it said that Zorua and Zoroark aren't related? I've heard tons of people claim that Zoroark wasn't really Zorua's mother and that Zorua was just adopted by Zoroark and stuff. That sounds like bad fan fiction to me, but a lot of people are sticking to this so it makes me wonder where it was officially stated.
I don't think they even mentioned the relation inbetween Zorua and Zoroark...But it seems that Zorua is Zoroark's son. But it was never directly said.

Cobalt_Latios
6th February 2011, 3:51 AM
We WERE expecting an extended version of "We Will Carry On" but CN had to be so stuck up with the time constraints, we lost about 8-15 minutes of the movie....How long do the introductions and credits usually last?
For the record... there wasn't any "intro theme extended" like we had with AatJoL. However, there was an end credits, and it was roughly 5 minutes in length.


So there was a credits song? CN sucks.

Maybe YTV will get it right, whenever it comes up north.
I doubt it. Otherwise Anime_Ash would have already been mentioning it by now.


Anyway, I wanted to ask: where was it said that Zorua and Zoroark aren't related? I've heard tons of people claim that Zoroark wasn't really Zorua's mother and that Zorua was just adopted by Zoroark and stuff. That sounds like bad fan fiction to me, but a lot of people are sticking with this so it makes me wonder where it was officially stated.
Not sure. I recall a lot of people mentioning it, but I forget why. I confuses me as well, as Zorua clearly says Mama quite a few times.

But, I'll just side with whoever at this point.

Sounds like I'll be looking forward to this thing being on DVD... sucks.

Eh, not too annoyed by the whole lack of opening credits/ending credits. Although, the lack of the opening scene to establish Zorua is kind of disappointing.

Still, I do want to see it.

/CL

Aura24
6th February 2011, 3:54 AM
I don't think they even mentioned the relation inbetween Zorua and Zoroark...But it seems that Zorua is Zoroark's son. But it was never directly said.

On the official website of Zoroark Master of Illusions, it stated that Zoroark was a lone wolf before she met Zorua and started caring for it as if it was her own child. I stated this before on this page, but I was obviously ignored.

Shneak
6th February 2011, 3:56 AM
I doubt it. Otherwise Anime_Ash would have already been mentioning it by now.

Oh, I know. I didn't mean anytime soon, just maybe sometime in the future.

Pokénaut
6th February 2011, 3:57 AM
On the official website of Zoroark Master of Illusions, it stated that Zoroark was a lone wolf before she met Zorua and started caring for it as if it was her own child. I stated this before on this page, but I was obviously ignored.
Ok Sorry I was typing the response and didn't see it :]

SteveSnowmn
6th February 2011, 5:12 AM
So where did the movie actually start? I missed the first 5 minutes. I thought it was pretty good, just some of the Pokemon voices (Piplup) get really annoying after a while. I liked that the obligatory scene where everyone cries was pretty short in this one :p

Shneak
6th February 2011, 5:18 AM
Just found out on Bulbapedia that this movie will be in theatres on the Black and White Tour. Canadians might get to see it soon.

Aura24
6th February 2011, 5:25 AM
So where did the movie actually start? I missed the first 5 minutes. I thought it was pretty good, just some of the Pokemon voices (Piplup) get really annoying after a while. I liked that the obligatory scene where everyone cries was pretty short in this one :p

It starts when the official movie logo shows. CN didn't include the prologue.

Umbreon9
6th February 2011, 5:29 AM
Well I loved Zorua, he was SOO adorable! Got a new fav now. :3

A_Merry_Snowrunt
6th February 2011, 5:51 AM
Looking forward to the DVD release! Anyone noticed "Proof's" eyes were big and then went back to normal? Bulbapedia says so and I actually caught said error. Man, I feel like animating some scenes from the film. My only disappointment would be the left out opening and we never get to see the full credits. Also, I think Proof was voiced by Lisa Ortiz. I could be wrong though, but she did sound like Mars.

For those who missed it the first time, it airs again at 6 PM eastern tomorrow night. Take care.

the1stpkmnfan
6th February 2011, 5:55 AM
I couldn't find anything bad about the episode, before I had to miss the 2nd half to go to dinner, but from what I saw it's really good. But when I read that the opening was cut, I felt a bit upset there. Maybe they'll have it in the DVD version?

Zorua is so adorable, yet so creepy with his giggles haha. Triforce Saturn even told me that he believe it was like Fawful, from the Mario & Luigi RPG series. I can totally see the resemblance haha.

I enjoyed getting to see all the Legendary Beasts, and as they appeared in their shiny colored. Hey! They look just like the ones I got in my Gen 4 games. :o Oh wait... lol. Still, I can't wait to get Celebi later this month, and then obtain Zoroark and Zorua, when the BW games are released.

Carl was also a pretty good character. I liked his Woobat hat, which I finally figured out haha. Foreshadowing Gen 5!

I also don't get how Zoroark took pain from Shuppet's Shadow Ball. Since pure Dark types don't take damage from Ghost type moves, I just don't know.

It was also pretty funny of Zorua to take the form of Ash, Brock and Dawn during different parts of the movie. It's silly that Dawn wasn't amused, but I liked how Brock made up the fact Zorua was his twin brother (when Zorua took the form of him).

I can't believe that Kodai; such a jerk. However, his role was pretty clever, since he had the ability to see into the Future. Especially how his assistant is actually a agent to get his information, he just knew that she would betray him. It all really came together.

The ending of the movie was pretty sad though, when Zorua was crying for his mommy Zoroark to wake up. I felt a little bad. But I was happy to see Celebi fix everything and heal Zoroark. A happy mother and son reunion. :) Celebi was even a wonderful Pokemon to have during the movie.

I also like how Ash foreshadows his venture to the next region (Unova), when he promises to visit him and Zoroark, as they were off on the cruise with Carl and Rowena (Kodai's former assistant) back to that region.

And I wish CN didn't have to make the ending credits so small, when the movie ends. I really want to see all thats happening in full view. Since I read that the Rivals, Gym Leaders and Elite Four members are implimented on there somewhere.
Plus, this is when the Baccer tournament is happening, yet it's disappointing to not see it during the movie.

Overall, this was a great movie for the DP saga, yet I'm sad to see this is the last bit of the main series run. Ah, it's been a great 4 years, while watching the DP series. Up to the first episode, the last episode, and the last movie now.

Aura24
6th February 2011, 6:01 AM
CN also cut out the prologue of the movie that showed Ash and his friends finding out about the Stadium in Crown City, and Zorua's escape from Kodai.

_Taidow_
6th February 2011, 6:48 AM
I did like the fact that Ash said "I always trust you Brock!"

Shows how much of a big brother he sees Brock. Also the line about Brock an his twin brother was priceless. Also when Dawn just pushed Brock out of the way when he was starting to flirt with officer Jenny.

A_Merry_Snowrunt
6th February 2011, 7:00 AM
Bronzer was brotier in this film. Flipping over Kodai's car like it didn't care was hilarious.

Cobalt_Latios
6th February 2011, 7:28 AM
Zorua is so adorable, yet so creepy with his giggles haha. Triforce Saturn even told me that he believe it was like Fawful, from the Mario & Luigi RPG series. I can totally see the resemblance haha.
Zorua's a troll, plain and simple. Glad to know that his laugh is kept mostly intact. That's what just made him a hit.


I also don't get how Zoroark took pain from Shuppet's Shadow Ball. Since pure Dark types don't take damage from Ghost type moves, I just don't know.
You're getting your typings mixed up here: Dark isn't affect by Psychic, but ghost still does damage, albeit not effective.


I can't believe that Kodai; such a jerk. However, his role was pretty clever, since he had the ability to see into the Future. Especially how his assistant is actually a agent to get his information, he just knew that she would betray him. It all really came together.
Definitely one of the better villains we've had. They really set out to make you really want for him to get it in the end (:P). At least Zoroark handles that just fine.


I also like how Ash foreshadows his venture to the next region (Unova), when he promises to visit him and Zoroark, as they were off on the cruise with Carl and Rowena (Kodai's former assistant) back to that region.
I honestly thought it was hilariously ironic, because he makes no mention whatsoever of this in the anime, yet he doesn't realize that Unova is where they come from. So, he's saying he's going to meet them in a place that he doesn't know about, yet doesn't realize he'll eventually be going to.


And I wish CN didn't have to make the ending credits so small, when the movie ends. I really want to see all thats happening in full view. Since I read that the Rivals, Gym Leaders and Elite Four members are implimented on there somewhere.
That's gotta suck. Yeah, don't worry, they appear. It's a really neat way of finishing off this saga. Sure, the finale today may have made it more meaningful for the characters, but for the generation in itself, I felt it was the perfect little transition between gens 4 and 5.


Plus, this is when the Baccer tournament is happening, yet it's disappointing to not see it during the movie.
That tournament is literally the first thing shown during the credits.... wait a sec *checks*

Yup, it's the very first thing they show during the credits.

If you'd like, I could PM you a clip of the subbed Jap credits, so at least you can see what you were missing.


Overall, this was a great movie for the DP saga, yet I'm sad to see this is the last bit of the main series run. Ah, it's been a great 4 years, while watching the DP series. Up to the first episode, the last episode, and the last movie now.
Oh, it has. TPCI did a surprisingly good job, and I'm just glad I'm still as much of a fan now, as I was then.

/CL

Klutzybear
6th February 2011, 8:17 AM
I think this movie was pretty decent compared to the rest of the films. Not my favorite (That spot belongs to Destiny Deoxys and 2nd place is the Darkrai movie), but it's still worth the watch.

I wasn't too happy to find out Cartoon Network cut out ten minutes of the film and the ending credits for their commercials, but it's nothing I can't live without.

During the movie I always thought Meema was just name of Zoruas friend, but during the commercials I realized Mee-ma backwards sounds a lot like 'mommy'.

Though, I've heard people discuss that Zorua is actually adopted, so I'm not gonna push the issue.

the1stpkmnfan
6th February 2011, 9:52 AM
You're getting your typings mixed up here: Dark isn't affect by Psychic, but ghost still does damage, albeit not effective.
I was actually thinking I missed something. Before I had second thoughts, I believed that Dark was resistant to Psychic and Ghost. Screwed up mistake on my part. However, it makes sense now of course.


Definitely one of the better villains we've had. They really set out to make you really want for him to get it in the end (:P). At least Zoroark handles that just fine.
I saw Kodai was on a pretty satisfying level for me. Other villains were great as well, but there was definitely something about Kodai that felt more evil. His visions to see the future, yet to manipulate that power to take over the world's business, that's quite a big power he's got. No wonder he's so successful prior to his appearance. Great character, but I don't like him. When I would say this about the antagonist, then the he/she is doing a great job in that role.


I honestly thought it was hilariously ironic, because he makes no mention whatsoever of this in the anime, yet he doesn't realize that Unova is where they come from. So, he's saying he's going to meet them in a place that he doesn't know about, yet doesn't realize he'll eventually be going to.
I forgot to mention this in my notes. I wonder if Ash is really going to meet Zorua/Zoroark again. I know this sounds very far fetched, since Movie characters/Pokemon never usually appear in the anime show. It might be great to see them again, though the whole part from this movie was really amazing from Ash. I just loved how I could tell Ash was pointing out to Unova right away; yet he doesn't know about it yet. Quite the irony indeed.



That's gotta suck. Yeah, don't worry, they appear. It's a really neat way of finishing off this saga. Sure, the finale today may have made it more meaningful for the characters, but for the generation in itself, I felt it was the perfect little transition between gens 4 and 5.
Oh I know there were there already. I was trying my best to watch that very tiny stretched out screen to see when they'd apper. They went by so fast though, but I could tell out a few from when their pictures appeared.


That tournament is literally the first thing shown during the credits.... wait a sec *checks*

Yup, it's the very first thing they show during the credits.

If you'd like, I could PM you a clip of the subbed Jap credits, so at least you can see what you were missing.
That'd be great actually. I'd love to see it. Better than squinting my eyes and jumping close to the TV screen, haha. But thank you very much.


Oh, it has. TPCI did a surprisingly good job, and I'm just glad I'm still as much of a fan now, as I was then.
After watching DP, I'm glad to continue watching the show as a fan. I can't wait to see how TPCi performs with the Black/White anime. And from what I've seen, from the commercial today (plus, the special preview), it's already looking great.

FunPika
6th February 2011, 1:25 PM
So CN seriously cut out the prologue...wow. And probably just so that they could try and get an episode of Adventure Time into the time slot (really after cutting out the prologue they still seemed to have 15 minutes left to spare to use to broadcast one of their own shows...WTF). :/

EDIT: Actually now I checked...the prologue lasted approximately 10 minutes...an episode of Adventure Time should last approximately 10-11 minutes...holy crap...

Marbi Z
6th February 2011, 3:04 PM
I wonder why Zoroark didn't have a telepathy voice... I was very ( Turned On ) When I discovered it was Female! I might just soft reset in White just to get a female! And yeah! Why did they skip the intro!? Come on! How much sponsors could a Pokemon movie possibly need!?

Aura24
6th February 2011, 3:07 PM
Yeah, Zoroark is female in the movie, but they didn't give any clues that she and Zorua had a gender in the english Dub, from what we've seen of it.

I'm used to Zorua calling Zoroark "Maa" in the original japanese version. "Meema" just sounds a little like a name than "Mama".

Torpoleon
6th February 2011, 3:10 PM
Pretty cool movie. Grings Kodai seems like a dangerous man. I feel stupid since I was saying Zorua & Zoroark's names wrong! (Same goes for Raikou.) I like that now Raikou has been in a movie! I don't believe they showed Pokémon Baccer, but then again, I don't really remember. I do have the movie recorded. It does suck that we only saw all of the group's Pokémon at the very end, but whatever. When Zorua & Zoroark were on the boat, I honestly thought it was actually Ash & Pikachu. They do go to Unova soon anyways.
9/10

Marbi Z
6th February 2011, 3:10 PM
Yeah, Zoroark is female in the movie, but they didn't give any clues that she and Zorua had a gender in the english Dub, from what we've seen of it.

I'm used to Zorua calling Zoroark "Maa" in the original japanese version. "Meema" just sounds a little like a name than "Mama". You could tell the Zoroark was Female because of it's voice. But I read the preview on this site and learned it was female. Pretty sexy Pokemon now that I think about it!

the1stpkmnfan
6th February 2011, 4:22 PM
Also, don't worry about soft resetting your White to get a Female Zoroark. It's set to be a Female already; making it the same Zoroark from the movie! :)

GaZsTiC
6th February 2011, 4:25 PM
Wait... They cut out the epilogue?! As in, the farewell to all the characters that appeared throughout the series? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

Aura24
6th February 2011, 4:59 PM
Pretty cool movie. Grings Kodai seems like a dangerous man. I feel stupid since I was saying Zorua & Zoroark's names wrong! (Same goes for Raikou.) I like that now Raikou has been in a movie! I don't believe they showed Pokémon Baccer, but then again, I don't really remember. I do have the movie recorded. It does suck that we only saw all of the group's Pokémon at the very end, but whatever. When Zorua & Zoroark were on the boat, I honestly thought it was actually Ash & Pikachu. They do go to Unova soon anyways.
9/10

The english dub pronounces Zoroark's name "Zoro-ark" while in the original version, they say it like "Zo-roark".

Hyper Tails
6th February 2011, 6:52 PM
I wonder why Zoroark didn't have a telepathy voice...

Well, Zorua did say when Ash and co. first met him that he was told not to talk to humans (strangers in the dub) by Zoroark. Considering that Zoroark had no reason to trust humans until near the end, it's not really a surprise that she didn't talk to anyone. I suppose a "thank you" would've been nice to hear from her, at the least.

Cobalt_Latios
6th February 2011, 7:39 PM
I saw Kodai was on a pretty satisfying level for me. Other villains were great as well, but there was definitely something about Kodai that felt more evil. His visions to see the future, yet to manipulate that power to take over the world's business, that's quite a big power he's got. No wonder he's so successful prior to his appearance. Great character, but I don't like him. When I would say this about the antagonist, then the he/she is doing a great job in that role.
Hell, according to the tvtropes entry for this movie, I think he's the first villain to hit "complete monster" status. I mean, of the human villains in previous movies, at least they could "potentially" be redeemed (even Zero in GatSW turned over a new leaf during the credits. Markus was just scared of the whole land being turned back to a wasteland. Phantom... he's a pirate, he doesn't count :P. Butler... he just wanted revenge on Team Magma, but he realizes his mistake. Annie and Oakley, they're just thieves. And one of them goes a bit out of control...). Except I think for Masked Marauder. I think they tie.



I forgot to mention this in my notes. I wonder if Ash is really going to meet Zorua/Zoroark again. I know this sounds very far fetched, since Movie characters/Pokemon never usually appear in the anime show.
You forget, Lugia. The instant Ash meets one in the Whirl Islands, he immediately says the he say one in the Orange Islands. Or, even Lucario. But, that's as far as it's been.


That'd be great actually. I'd love to see it. Better than squinting my eyes and jumping close to the TV screen, haha. But thank you very much.
Glad to be of service. I just feel bad that so many people got gypped. I mean, it's just the opening and ending, but damn, these things give you extra little tidbits/closure that the main movie ignores.


After watching DP, I'm glad to continue watching the show as a fan. I can't wait to see how TPCi performs with the Black/White anime. And from what I've seen, from the commercial today (plus, the special preview), it's already looking great.
And knowing what's ahead is just only going to make things sweeter! Out of all the improvements, it's TR that I'm looking forward to.


So CN seriously cut out the prologue...wow. And probably just so that they could try and get an episode of Adventure Time into the time slot (really after cutting out the prologue they still seemed to have 15 minutes left to spare to use to broadcast one of their own shows...WTF). :/

EDIT: Actually now I checked...the prologue lasted approximately 10 minutes...an episode of Adventure Time should last approximately 10-11 minutes...holy crap...
Wow. That's actually kind of pathetic that CN would do that. You know I used to feel upset that I couldn't get CN here in Canada (at least, with the service providers I have at my disposal), but seeing what they're doing makes me think that it's not really all that worthwhile.


Pretty cool movie. Grings Kodai seems like a dangerous man. I feel stupid since I was saying Zorua & Zoroark's names wrong! (Same goes for Raikou.) I like that now Raikou has been in a movie! I don't believe they showed Pokémon Baccer, but then again, I don't really remember. I do have the movie recorded. It does suck that we only saw all of the group's Pokémon at the very end, but whatever. When Zorua & Zoroark were on the boat, I honestly thought it was actually Ash & Pikachu. They do go to Unova soon anyways.
9/10
If what everyone's been saying is true, and that the opening/end credits were removed, then you did indeed miss out on Pokemon Baccer. It's not a big deal, but yeah.


Wait... They cut out the epilogue?! As in, the farewell to all the characters that appeared throughout the series? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!
From what I've been hearing, it seems so. Just curious, have you seen the movie subbed yet?

/CL

Bubblewrap
6th February 2011, 7:50 PM
When Zorua transformed into Brock and when Ash said he always trusts Brock was my favourite part of this episode.

Hyper Tails
6th February 2011, 7:54 PM
Except I think for Masked Marauder. I think they tie.

Speaking of Iron Masked Marauder, there's something I'm wondering... Do the writers have a thing for choking Celebi? First the IMM chokes Celebi near the end of movie 4, and this time they had Kodai choke Celebi.

Qymaen
6th February 2011, 7:58 PM
I loved it. Kodai was one of the best villains in any of the Pokemon movies. Is it just me or were all of the DP movie villains pokemon, save the 13th?

AuraChannelerChris
6th February 2011, 8:00 PM
Speaking of Iron Masked Marauder, there's something I'm wondering... Do the writers have a thing for choking Celebi? First the IMM chokes Celebi near the end of movie 4, and this time they had Kodai choke Celebi.

Help me in the movement "Do Not Chock Celebis".

Also, I found it a little bit too odd that Zoroark was arguably (and possibly extremely) tough, fending off three Legendary Beasts.

Serebii
6th February 2011, 8:02 PM
Speaking of Iron Masked Marauder, there's something I'm wondering... Do the writers have a thing for choking Celebi? First the IMM chokes Celebi near the end of movie 4, and this time they had Kodai choke Celebi.
Can't help but find it a bit personal when they do that :p

Cobalt_Latios
6th February 2011, 8:05 PM
Speaking of Iron Masked Marauder, there's something I'm wondering... Do the writers have a thing for choking Celebi? First the IMM chokes Celebi near the end of movie 4, and this time they had Kodai choke Celebi.
Well I'll be, the two most evil villains have both involved Celebi.

The damn thing cannot catch a break, can it?

/CL

Hyper Tails
6th February 2011, 8:13 PM
Can't help but find it a bit personal when they do that :p

What on earth did you do to the writers to make them go that route, Serebii?

Anyway, the movie is supposed to air again tonight. However, seeing how the schedule says they're airing another one of their shows during that last 15-minute interval, I'm not expecting the prologue to be shown this time either.

Qymaen
6th February 2011, 8:14 PM
When? I saw it in Japanese. Still wanna see it in English.

Hyper Tails
6th February 2011, 8:15 PM
When? I saw it in Japanese. Still wanna see it in English.

It airs again tonight at 6 PM.

Cobalt_Latios
6th February 2011, 8:16 PM
What on earth did you do to the writers to make them go that route, Serebii?
Maybe he just wants to prove something. Maybe...


Anyway, the movie is supposed to air again tonight. However, seeing how the schedule says they're airing another one of their shows during that last 15-minute interval, I'm not expecting the prologue to be shown this time either.
It may only be subbed, but I'd be glad to PM you a link for the intro/end credits.

/CL

Qymaen
6th February 2011, 8:17 PM
It airs again tonight at 6 PM.

Thanks! :)

Hyper Tails
6th February 2011, 8:20 PM
It may only be subbed, but I'd be glad to PM you a link for the intro/end credits.

Thank you, but that won't be necessary. I actually possess the Japanese DVD, plus I saw the movie in a Japanese theater back in September.

Honestly though, it's surprising that they went the choke Celebi twice. In another 9 years when we get another possible Celebi movie, will the villain do it as well?

ZoroarkFox
6th February 2011, 8:21 PM
Couldn't catch this last night...........was REALLY upset too...........hope to try again tonight though.

A_Merry_Snowrunt
6th February 2011, 8:25 PM
Can't help but find it a bit personal when they do that :p

What if this is the same Celebi from the fourth movie?! IT goes back in time with Sammy, 40 years later it's back in Ash's time ( only by several months ) and out of the blue, the time ripple in Crown City comes out Celebi only awaiting to be choked to death. Talk about a Flash Forward! Also, I hope the film comes out soon, I really want to animated the Bronzor flipping the car scene. If Jirachi gets a said film, what if the next villain uses some device like the Butler did in the sixth film.

Cobalt_Latios
6th February 2011, 8:26 PM
Thank you, but that won't be necessary. I actually possess the Japanese DVD, plus I saw the movie in a Japanese theater back in September.
Oh, alright then :).


Honestly though, it's surprising that they went the choke Celebi twice. In another 9 years when we get another possible Celebi movie, will the villain do it as well?
Let's assume this isn't the same Celebi, as indicated in movie 4. It's unlikely it'll even wisen up. At least, the others should warn each other about power hungry individuals to avoid situations like that.

At least this Celebi was cautious. That's a step in the right direction.

/CL

Shneak
6th February 2011, 8:31 PM
Just saw this.

I liked it a lot more than I thought I would, and it had a better plot than I thought it had. The characters were good, and I liked Zorua, Zoroark and the Crown Beasts. Some good battle scenes between them.

I just wish CN had the beginning and credits. 9/10.

Dreamcoat
6th February 2011, 9:04 PM
I'm confused, what the heck was that move Mightyena used to break Zoroark's crystal illusion? Didn't look like anything I could recognized..

AuraChannelerChris
6th February 2011, 9:08 PM
I'm confused, what the heck was that move Mightyena used to break Zoroark's crystal illusion? Didn't look like anything I could recognized..

It was apparently Odor Sleuth.

Eternal Darkness
6th February 2011, 9:16 PM
Can't help but find it a bit personal when they do that :p

Maybe they're mocking this site.

AuraChannelerChris
6th February 2011, 9:18 PM
Maybe they're mocking this site.

What we get when Nintendo enforces the DMCA Enforcement on us. They hold a grudge and won't stop at nothing to choke little cute fairies.

A_Merry_Snowrunt
6th February 2011, 9:19 PM
Maybe they're mocking this site.

what's even more hilarious is when they announced "celebi confirmed." I was so looking forward to that and I cracked a smile.

Eternal Darkness
6th February 2011, 9:24 PM
What we get when Nintendo enforces the DMCA Enforcement on us. They hold a grudge and won't stop at nothing to choke little cute fairies.

We should listen if the next Celebi movie does the same thing. Pokemon didn't really do anything in this movie. Kinda disapointed by that.

The Eleventh
6th February 2011, 9:27 PM
I just finished watching this, and it was amazing! Best movie yet. I loved the character of Zorua, he was so funny! The music was excellent! Kodai was a great villain and the plot of this story was near-perfect. One thing that got to me a little bit: why did they care so much about the trees dying? I mean, I'd understand if the Pokémon would die if the trees were destroyed, but they didn't! But overall, I enjoyed this movie.

Dreamcoat
6th February 2011, 9:35 PM
Help me in the movement "Do Not Chock Celebis".

Also, I found it a little bit too odd that Zoroark was arguably (and possibly extremely) tough, fending off three Legendary Beasts.
I heard you can go blind from chocking the Celebi..

Shneak
6th February 2011, 9:56 PM
I found Kodai choking Celebi kind of funny, in a "Whoa, violent much?" kind of way. Don't touch Zorua though.

In every single episode/movie Celebi is in, it gets destroyed. Is it level 5 or something?

Cobalt_Latios
6th February 2011, 10:10 PM
Help me in the movement "Do Not Chock Celebis".
"Chock"? What the hell is chock? I think you mean "choke", like "Machoke".


Also, I found it a little bit too odd that Zoroark was arguably (and possibly extremely) tough, fending off three Legendary Beasts.
That was crazy. How is it that a none legendary is somehow able to withstand more damage than a good number of them in previous movies? I mean, looking bad, some of them had justifiable terms (being hit by other uber attacks), but some of them couldn't really take that much before keeling over.

Zoroark, was still able to kick some serious *** before eventually throwing in the towel.


I found Kodai choking Celebi kind of funny, in a "Whoa, violent much?" kind of way. Don't touch Zorua though.

In every single episode/movie Celebi is in, it gets destroyed. Is it level 5 or something?
Well, it's pretty damn weak in the games, so I don't imagine it being that strong in the anime either. But I agree, it seems like some kind of passive hippie that gets beaten by the slightest breeze. Freakin Shaymin gets better "mileage" than it, and the only reason I prefer Celebi over Shaymin is because Celebi doesn't talk, or doesn't remind me of a spoiled little brat.

/CL

Firebrand
6th February 2011, 10:33 PM
Just watched it on youtube, and wow. I'm impressed. this is probably my favorite one to date. The villan was actually consistently evil, and the legendaries did not seem tacked on (see: Manaphy movie, Giratina movie for Kyogre and Regigigas.). Not to mention the plot was significantly lacking major holes, and it made sense all the way through.
The score was good, and my only legitimate complaints are that 1) CN cut out a good amount from the opening, so we have no idea what Pokemon Baccer actually is, despite them going on and on about it, and 2) the ending was a tad abrupt.
Other than those two minor gripes, I truly enjoyed this movie.

WaterDragon trainer
6th February 2011, 10:33 PM
This movie was good, but IMO, not one of THE best movies. Regardless, I thought Zoroark was an awesome pokemon. I look forward to seeing him in the anime. Also, I always thought a pokemon movie without Team Rocket would be more exciting, but I was wrong in this case.

Anyone else notice that Mightyena sounds a lot like Drapion and/or Ursaring?

s2daam
6th February 2011, 10:38 PM
Definately one of my favourite Pokémon movies. I wasn't so keen on the past DP ones.. but this kind of rounded of DP in a good way imo.

Lorde
6th February 2011, 10:45 PM
Hmm. I heard people say that Zorua's dub voice was gender neutral, but I just heard it while watching the dubbed movie and it sounded feminine. Heck, maybe even more feminine than Shaymin's dub voice. Point is, I didn't like the voice and I'm glad that I saw the Japanese version of this film before I saw the English version. Anyway, the rest of the voices in the dubbed version were spot-on. I loved Kodai's voice even though I've heard it before more times than I can count; Sean Schemmel is just too amazing for me to dislike. Anyway, I didn't cry when they showed that scene near the end of the movie where Zoroark appears to be dead. I felt that the scene in the dub was hollow and devoid of any real emotion, so I just sort of rolled my eyes. Did I mention I didn't like Zorua's dub voice? Anyway, if you want to know the rest of my thoughts on the movie, then check out this post (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=11825643&postcount=9). I feel the same about most things, except for Zorua and that one death scene.

AuraChannelerChris
6th February 2011, 10:45 PM
"Chock"? What the hell is chock? I think you mean "choke", like "Machoke".

Whoops, sorry for the little mistake. :P

Also, I'm kind of surprised that a female Pokemon is the featured character of a movie. It's normally a no-gender/male lead, but this is the first time a female Pokemon takes the lead.

ZoroarkFox
6th February 2011, 10:50 PM
Whoops, sorry for the little mistake. :P

Also, I'm kind of surprised that a female Pokemon is the featured character of a movie. It's normally a no-gender/male lead, but this is the first time a female Pokemon takes the lead.

'Bout time too I'd say. MORE WOMEN HEROES PLEASE!!!!

Cobalt_Latios
6th February 2011, 10:52 PM
Hmm. I heard people say that Zorua's dub voice was gender neutral, but I just heard it while watching the dubbed movie and it sounded feminine. Heck, maybe even more feminine than Shaymin's dub voice. Point is, I didn't like the voice and I'm glad that I saw the Japanese version of this film before I saw the English version. Anyway, the rest of the voices in the dubbed version were spot-on. I loved Kodai's voice even though I've heard it before more times than I can count; Sean Schemmel is just too amazing for me to dislike. Anyway, I didn't cry when they showed that scene near the end of the movie where Zoroark appears to be dead. I felt that the scene in the dub was hollow and devoid of any real emotion, so I just sort of rolled my eyes. Did I mention I didn't like Zorua's dub voice? Anyway, if you want to know the rest of my thoughts on the movie, then check out this post (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=11825643&postcount=9). I feel the same about most things, except for Zorua and that one death scene.
Okay, so you didn't like Zorua's voice, did he at the very least keep the whole "kihihihihi", laugh? If they at least kept that, I won't really care.

Also, Sean Schemmel voiced Kodai? What's with him getting villain roles in Pokemon lately?

edit: Decided to check youtube to hear it for myself. The laughing is okay, but it's not quite the same. And apparently Colleen O'Shaughnessey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colleen_O%27Shaughnessey) does Zorua's voice.

No wonder it sounds so familiar.

/CL

Lorde
6th February 2011, 10:55 PM
Okay, so you didn't like Zorua's voice, did he at the very least keep the whole "kihihihihi", laugh? If they at least kept that, I won't really care.

Also, Sean Schemmel voiced Kodai? What's with him getting villain roles in Pokemon lately?

/CL

Yes, she he kept that little giggle. Not sure if I really cared for it, but it's there. Also, Sean has the best voice, so I'm glad that he's voicing the villains :)


According to the Celebi event, which is coming up this month, you get a male Zorua that is based off the one in the movie in Pokemon Black and White if you get Celebi.

So, Zorua is supposedly male, but his voice actors make it a little difficult know whether he is male or female in the movie.

Yeah, I know that Zorua is male in the games, but its dub voice is killing it. I'm not sure if he was voiced by a female in the Japanese version, but Zorua still sounded like a little boy and not a little girl like he does in the dubbed version :(

Aura24
6th February 2011, 10:58 PM
Hmm. I heard people say that Zorua's dub voice was gender neutral, but I just heard it while watching the dubbed movie and it sounded feminine. Heck, maybe even more feminine than Shaymin's dub voice. Point is, I didn't like the voice and I'm glad that I saw the Japanese version of this film before I saw the English version. Anyway, the rest of the voices in the dubbed version were spot-on. I loved Kodai's voice even though I've heard it before more times than I can count; Sean Schemmel is just too amazing for me to dislike. Anyway, I didn't cry when they showed that scene near the end of the movie where Zoroark appears to be dead. I felt that the scene in the dub was hollow and devoid of any real emotion, so I just sort of rolled my eyes. Did I mention I didn't like Zorua's dub voice? Anyway, if you want to know the rest of my thoughts on the movie, then check out this post (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=11825643&postcount=9). I feel the same about most things, except for Zorua and that one death scene.

According to the Celebi event, which is coming up this month, you get a male Zorua that is based off the one in the movie in Pokemon Black and White if you get Celebi.

So, Zorua is supposedly male, but his voice actors make it a little difficult know whether he is male or female in the movie.

Cobalt_Latios
6th February 2011, 11:07 PM
According to the Celebi event, which is coming up this month, you get a male Zorua that is based off the one in the movie in Pokemon Black and White if you get Celebi.

So, Zorua is supposedly male, but his voice actors make it a little difficult know whether he is male or female in the movie.
Voice Actress, they got Colleen O'Shaughnessey to voice Zorua.

Now I'm going to be hearing Genis the whole movie ;_;.

edit: GAH! That laugh reminds me too much of Midna.

/CL

Vernikova
6th February 2011, 11:20 PM
It wasn't interesting at all. Usually I can sit through a Pokémon movie and just watch it but I just decided to go on the internet a few minutes in while it played in the background. The music wasn't anything to excited about either.

thornmud
6th February 2011, 11:23 PM
I loved it, i just don't think that the problem was that big. "Oh, Kodai! Please don't kill the flowers! Anything but the flowers! It doesn't matter that Celebii is still here and could revive them again in like two minutes!"
And so what if he did get to the time ripple again, he wasn't taking over the world with a war machine like in Pokemon Heroes, or creating a raging Groudon zombie like Wishmaker. He just wanted to be a psychic business man. The only thing he did wrong was cancel some obscure event with no outside meaning, manipulate then backstab a mother Zoroark, and ruin some houses and gardens with MZ's force. Things any politician/ CEO would do to further themselves if they were able to do.
Also, if they break that promise of seeing Zorua and Zoroark again while in their own land, (I presume they're talking about Unova, where else would they mean?) I'll be depressed.
But yeah, I loved it and will be watching it again today instead of the Superbowl.

Hyper Tails
6th February 2011, 11:28 PM
Yeah, I know that Zorua is male in the games, but its dub voice is killing it. I'm not sure if he was voiced by a female in the Japanese version, but Zorua still sounded like a little boy and not a little girl like he does in the dubbed version :(

Zorua was voiced by a female in the Japanese version. It was the same VA who did the Japanese Hamtaro, interestingly enough.

GaZsTiC
6th February 2011, 11:29 PM
Just curious, have you seen the movie subbed yet?

I watched it subbed as soon as #PM translated it. I haven't seen it dubbed, however.

Hyper Tails
7th February 2011, 12:16 AM
As I thought, CN once again skipped the prologue. The movie once again started at the title sequence.

Rentaline99
7th February 2011, 12:23 AM
As I thought, CN once again skipped the prologue. The movie once again started at the title sequence.

They're telling you to go watch the Superbowl.

ShadowSplash
7th February 2011, 12:25 AM
I'm lazy to read through everything and see if this was asked or answered earlier.

So I have a question: Since Illusion is just an illusion, how is it that Zorua was about to make an illusion of itself as a Skiploom, it's not an actual transformation. How is it able to float like one, if it isn't ACTUALLY one?

That's the only mistake I saw.

GaZsTiC
7th February 2011, 1:04 AM
I'm lazy to read through everything and see if this was asked or answered earlier.

So I have a question: Since Illusion is just an illusion, how is it that Zorua was about to make an illusion of itself as a Skiploom, it's not an actual transformation. How is it able to float like one, if it isn't ACTUALLY one?

That's the only mistake I saw.

The same way Zoroark was able to use the Crown Beasts' attacks. It might just be an illusion but they take on the various skills as well.

shadi1
7th February 2011, 1:18 AM
I'm watching the English on cartoonnetwork.
Who would have thought it would have premiered during super bowl Sunday.
Also English Kaiodi is Cyrus :P

uncutpokemon
7th February 2011, 1:36 AM
Also English Kaiodi is Cyrus :P

Or he's Goku :)

Dean
7th February 2011, 1:50 AM
It wasn't interesting at all. Usually I can sit through a Pokémon movie and just watch it but I just decided to go on the internet a few minutes in while it played in the background. The music wasn't anything to excited about either.

Yeah, that happened to me as well.

I hate how the prologue wasn't shown. That actually showed the Pokémon Baccer World Cup. I mean, it was also shown during the credits, but of course they sped that up. Pretty lame :/

Hyper Tails
7th February 2011, 1:52 AM
Out of curiosity, has anyone else read the little mini-manga strips Coro Coro did back in the Fall relating to Zorua and Zoroark? I don't remember them all, but a few of the strips I do remember include one where Zoroark is searching everywhere Zorua, only to find him resting in her hair. Another included Zoroark playing hide-n-seek with Zorua, but Celebi appears and distracts Zorua, causing him to forget about her.

A_Merry_Snowrunt
7th February 2011, 2:36 AM
voice actress, they got colleen o'shaughnessey to voice zorua.

Now i'm going to be hearing genis the whole movie ;_;.

Edit: Gah! That laugh reminds me too much of midna.

/cl

i knew i heard his voice from somewhere! I knew it! I'm so naming him genis on my black and white!

AuraChannelerChris
7th February 2011, 2:49 AM
i knew i heard his voice from somewhere! I knew it! I'm so naming him genis on my black and white!And I'm calling him Giggles.

tmega90
7th February 2011, 4:18 AM
This was an awesome Movie. Probably my favorite Pokemon Movie. Zorua was an awesome character! He was funny an cute. I liked when he turned into everyone. I liked how he called Zoroark Mema. Zoroark was so awesome! I loved all the action in this movie. Kodai was a very evil and very interesting character. I liked Carl and Roweena they were cool. It was cool seeing journalists. The Three Legendary Beasts we so cool and awesome too. I like how they were shiny. It was cool seeing Celebi! Celebi was a very cool character to have in the movie.

chosen_one386
7th February 2011, 5:04 AM
Got to say Kodai's ability to see into the future threw me for a loop in this movie. This is the first of the movies that I've seen since the 9th, but it was fantastic, mostly because of Kodai, who I'm going to place into one of the top movie villains' category. His character was something new, and his ability and motivation was something I didn't expect to see in Pokemon (really, a buisiness mogul who gained all his wealth because he could see the future was something I would never expect Pokemon to touch on). And, if I'm not mistaken, Cyrus' voice actor voiced him as well? He sounded a lot like Cyrus at least...And I should know since Cyrus is my favorite character in Pokemon. :P

So...about the rest of the movie not about Kodai, Zoroark ruled in the battles in this movie. RULED. Its signature attack looked really powerful and epic. Good job with this one.

darksteel460
7th February 2011, 5:22 AM
i thought the movie was pretty awesome i figured the legendary beasts- suicine, entei, and raikuo- were different colored because they wanted to tell them from zoroark transformed apart but i was expecting some back story as to why they were shinies but that wasnt a big deal, the movie was much different than expected i thought zoroark was actually going to be evil as opposed to a enraged mother looking for her child, but all in all a good movie i'd say about 8.5 out of 10 and the end gave me a laugh too i was like why is ash leaving i know i probably should have figured it was zoroua and zoroark but for a few seconds they got me by the the i realized it twas them i ash already came along

Aura24
7th February 2011, 6:21 AM
I noticed that the english Dub pronounced Zoroark "Zoro-ark" while in the original japanese, they pronounced it like "Zo-roark".

Zo-roark is much more easier to prounce the name that way.

ShadowSplash
7th February 2011, 6:30 AM
The same way Zoroark was able to use the Crown Beasts' attacks. It might just be an illusion but they take on the various skills as well.

She wasn't "using" the Crown Beasts' attacks. She was making an illusion that she was using them. Nothing was damaged by the "attacks" because they were an illusion.

Remember when Zorua "became" Celebi, and it tried to pick him up? He said "I can't fly!" because he wasn't an actual Celebi. The same way, he shouldn't have actually floated like a Skiploom, because it was just an illusion that he was a Skiploom.

gianttopper
7th February 2011, 6:40 AM
^thats weird because zorua was flying at the end when he was a celebi.

ShadowSplash
7th February 2011, 6:43 AM
^thats weird because zorua was flying at the end when he was a celebi.

Oh you're right .... mistakes. >_____<

Aura24
7th February 2011, 6:43 AM
^thats weird because zorua was flying at the end when he was a celebi.

He had the help of Karl's Bronzor, that's why. It helped levitate Zorua to make him look like he was flying like the real Celebi. It was there to help Zorua lead Kodai away from the real Celebi.

ShadowSplash
7th February 2011, 6:48 AM
He had the help of Karl's Bronzor, that's why. It helped levitate Zorua to make him look like he was flying like the real Celebi. It was there to help Zorua lead Kodai away from the real Celebi.

That could be true.

Still doesn't explain the floating Skiploom thing. But at least that's the only "mistake" at this point.

Aura24
7th February 2011, 6:51 AM
That could be true.

Still doesn't explain the floating Skiploom thing. But at least that's the only "mistake" at this point.

He couldn't fly as a Skiploom nor a Celebi, since it was only an illusion. It is true though. Since Zorua couldn't fly as a Celebi, he had Bronzor help him fly like one using its Psychic to fool Kodai. I thought it was a little obvious.

ShadowSplash
7th February 2011, 7:10 AM
He couldn't fly as a Skiploom nor a Celebi, since it was only an illusion. It is true though. Since Zorua couldn't fly as a Celebi, he had Bronzor help him fly like one using its Psychic to fool Kodai. I thought it was a little obvious.

No, but he "became" the Skiploom so that he could safely float down instead of falling to his death.

Aura24
7th February 2011, 7:20 AM
No, but he "became" the Skiploom so that he could safely float down instead of falling to his death.

I know that. I find Zorua's tail still visible while in human rather interesting. It is possible they based this off the mythical japanese fox, the kitsune, since it too has difficulty hiding its tail when it takes on human form.

Hyper Tails
7th February 2011, 8:26 AM
I know that. I find Zorua's tail still visible while in human rather interesting. It is possible they based this off the mythical japanese fox, the kitsune, since it too has difficulty hiding its tail when it takes on human form.

That's exactly what they based it off, hence being the "Trickster Fox" Pokemon.

As for what people were saying about Zorua flying in the beginning, Zorua was not flying as a Skiploom, he was floating down. He couldn't control where he was going, which is why he fell on both Team Rocket and the Vigoroth.

Also, while I too think it was due to Bronzor, Zorua flying as Celebi could possibly be seen as Zorua's abilities improving over the course of the movie. Kodai even went as far to say that Zorua had improved in his illusion abilities when he turned in Tangrowth, and he was also able to create the illusion of his home in Unova during the end.

Aura24
7th February 2011, 8:48 AM
That's exactly what they based it off, hence being the "Trickster Fox" Pokemon.

As for what people were saying about Zorua flying in the beginning, Zorua was not flying as a Skiploom, he was floating down. He couldn't control where he was going, which is why he fell on both Team Rocket and the Vigoroth.

Also, while I too think it was due to Bronzor, Zorua flying as Celebi could possibly be seen as Zorua's abilities improving over the course of the movie. Kodai even went as far to say that Zorua had improved in his illusion abilities when he turned in Tangrowth, and he was also able to create the illusion of his home in Unova during the end.

That is possible as well..

halloweenghost
7th February 2011, 10:25 AM
Well finally foundtimw to fire up the DVR and watch it.

yeah cut out the prologue.. ok CN,.. more commercials yay!

The movie itself was good.. I have NO Idea why waterpokemonmaster, head of pokebeach, trashed this movie so badly when he saw it in japan. I do not know the skill level of his japanese,.. but i think maybe because he did not quite understand what was going on through it. He trashed the movie bad, and it was not that bad at all.

Loved seeing the shiny beasts :) loved seeing Celebi, loved seeing Zorua and Zoroark. Boy was Zoroark angry! You don't mess with a mama's baby. Thoguh the end was sad about Zoroark,.. pretty much died, or was pretty close to it, and celebi brought it back.. kinda reminded me of the end of the fourth movie when the same happened to Celebi.

Major Boo-urnss to CN for speeding up the end credits and squishing it to the side,.. they always do this not sure why i thought they would otherwise... I wanted to see the baccer stuf but noooooooooooooo didn't evden get to see that baccer scene they showed during their commercial break scenes, the we'll be right back yadda yadda scenes.


Team Rocket floating away at the end, what was weird it was like noone ever knew the trio was around for the entire movie LOL

Other then that I thoguht it was a good movie :)

uncutpokemon
7th February 2011, 1:23 PM
Is it just me or did Zoroark sound like Edward Elric making noises? ;)

Cobalt_Latios
7th February 2011, 8:59 PM
Is it just me or did Zoroark sound like Edward Elric making noises? ;)
Well, her Japanese VA is Romie Park... who I think did Edward Elric in the Japanese FMA.

That could explain it.


Major Boo-urnss to CN for speeding up the end credits and squishing it to the side,.. they always do this not sure why i thought they would otherwise... I wanted to see the baccer stuf but noooooooooooooo didn't evden get to see that baccer scene they showed during their commercial break scenes, the we'll be right back yadda yadda scenes.
If you'd like, I can PM you the opening and ending of the subbed version. At least you'll see it.


/CL

A_Merry_Snowrunt
8th February 2011, 1:55 AM
Thankfully someone had a video up online (will not give away the details) and I had the opportunity to animate two scenes from the movie. I know a couple of frames could be missing, sorry.

http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/NS2J82/Croagunk-Scizor.gif
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/NS2J82/Bronzor-Car-Flip.gif

Save them on your imaging account; thank you.

Cobalt_Latios
8th February 2011, 3:04 AM
Thankfully someone had a video up online (will not give away the details) and I had the opportunity to animate two scenes from the movie. I know a couple of frames could be missing, sorry.

http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/NS2J82/Croagunk-Scizor.gif
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/NS2J82/Bronzor-Car-Flip.gif

Save them on your imaging account; thank you.
Mind telling me how you got them to that size? As you can see in mine, I had to do quite the amount of things to get it within the size limit. Did you use Photoshop? Or some other program that allows you to make .gifs?

Which makes me think, I may consider making a few .gifs of Zorua's illusions.

/CL

A_Merry_Snowrunt
8th February 2011, 3:50 AM
Mind telling me how you got them to that size? As you can see in mine, I had to do quite the amount of things to get it within the size limit. Did you use Photoshop? Or some other program that allows you to make .gifs?

Which makes me think, I may consider making a few .gifs of Zorua's illusions.

/CL

Basically, I just screen cap the whole scene first off, from the point I want till the end. Next, I crop the entire image so it would only be the scenes (no borders outside of the image). I animate it first to see if it feels fit enough, then I click image> image size to change the proportions (make sure the scale thing isn't locked up so you can have it at a certain degree) to make it smaller. That's basically it. Yes I do use photoshop.

Cobalt_Latios
8th February 2011, 4:21 AM
Basically, I just screen cap the whole scene first off, from the point I want till the end. Next, I crop the entire image so it would only be the scenes (no borders outside of the image). I animate it first to see if it feels fit enough, then I click image> image size to change the proportions (make sure the scale thing isn't locked up so you can have it at a certain degree) to make it smaller. That's basically it. Yes I do use photoshop.
Oh... alright then. What % would you say is the optimal size for these .gifs to avoid screwing around with the colour that would otherwise botch it?


Okay... well, I finally got around to watching the dub, and besides the lack of opening and end credits, I thought it was pretty well handled.

Do you want to know what I'm actually most peeved at? No, not the voices; even Zorua started to sound okay after a while. Not the translations either, as most of it was pretty spot on to what I "read" in the subbed version (minor tweaks, but that's to make the sentences sound right). So what is it? The opening Title.

Allow me to compare:


http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx351/cobalt-gale/JapaneseOpeningTitle01.jpg
http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx351/cobalt-gale/JapaneseOpeningTitle02.jpg
http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx351/cobalt-gale/JapaneseOpeningTitle03.jpg
http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx351/cobalt-gale/JapaneseOpeningTitle04.jpg



http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx351/cobalt-gale/EnglishOpeningTitle01.jpg
http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx351/cobalt-gale/Image02.jpg
http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx351/cobalt-gale/EnglishOpeningTitle02.jpg
http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx351/cobalt-gale/EnglishOpeningTitle04.jpg


Yeah, we got gypped.

But, other than that, I loved it! Also, Sean Schemmel did an excellent job as Kodai. Why is he so damn good at doing villain roles?

Otherwise, pretty good to have it dubbed. Everyone was done quite well here. I'm quite surprised at the variety of people TCPI is getting for this.

Now I just want to know what song they'll use for the Ending Credits.

edit: Oops, just realized just how big those images were. Spoilered them just in case.


/CL

Marbi Z
9th February 2011, 1:58 AM
Ever since I learned that Zoroark was Female I can't stop thinking about her arms... Her Legs.... Her lush furry body.... Every time I look at her picture I get that tingley feeling... I don't know what it with me and antropormorphic creatures but... They just have this way of getting into my head...

Firebrand
9th February 2011, 2:35 AM
Ever since I learned that Zoroark was Female I can't stop thinking about her arms... Her Legs.... Her lush furry body.... Every time I look at her picture I get that tingley feeling... I don't know what it with me and antropormorphic creatures but... They just have this way of getting into my head...
eew. 10char

Togekiss•Torchic
9th February 2011, 2:38 AM
Ever since I learned that Zoroark was Female I can't stop thinking about her arms... Her Legs.... Her lush furry body.... Every time I look at her picture I get that tingley feeling... I don't know what it with me and antropormorphic creatures but... They just have this way of getting into my head...
At first i was like +.+......then i ♥.O'd because that was very descriptive :o

Marbi Z
9th February 2011, 3:04 AM
At first i was like +.+......then i ♥.O'd because that was very descriptive :o

I know... But I`ve also herd from other Pokesexuals that Zoroarks are very hard to mate with... They say it`s like driving a Dodge Viper in the snow. Unless you have alot of skill and I mean alot of skill theres a very good chance your going to die. They told about Zoroarks mating techniech, apparently it involves the Female biting the males neck and digging her claws into the males body... I don't think the human body was designed to take that of abuse. Maybe I should have my Gardevoir do a Memory sweep of my brain...

Weezing110
9th February 2011, 10:02 AM
I thought this movie was better then the last one that's for sure. I didn't like Zorua voice it reminded me too much of shaymin. This movie is probably my second favorite Pokemon movie of the Diamond and Pearl series, my favorite one is the Rise of Darkrai.

PD Man
10th February 2011, 12:00 AM
Konichiwa,users of Serebii.net I am new here,Tsunaski is what you can call me.


Anyway


I just watched the movie on Youtube before it got removed due to Copyright. I fell in love with Zorua! He's too adorable,especially his giggle. I still didn't see the first 10 minutes of the actual movie,though :(. I could get it on DVD and maybe they'll have the first 10 minutes in it. It was a very great movie,I enjoyed it. I especially liked how some scenes were all sad,very. It almost made me cry. The Pokemon Movies sure have such scenes.
I will get Black and White and I have the shiny Legendary Beast trio and Ash's Pikachu ready for it so I can get Zorua and Zoroark. When I have a friend code for Black and White,I'll let you know on my profile;.

Xman96
10th February 2011, 12:43 AM
Voice Actress, they got Colleen O'Shaughnessey to voice Zorua.

Now I'm going to be hearing Genis the whole movie ;_;.

edit: GAH! That laugh reminds me too much of Midna.

/CL

I thought that the laugh sounded familiar. I personally think that Zorua sounds like a little boy. I got that it was a male right away.

ZoroarkFox
10th February 2011, 1:58 AM
I thought that the laugh sounded familiar. I personally think that Zorua sounds like a little boy. I got that it was a male right away.

They use female voice actors for young boy characters a lot in anime............

Elxar
12th February 2011, 5:24 PM
It was an ok movie. If the movies are canon, we now know a reason why Ash went to Unova and a slim possibility of meeting those two again. THough my favorite movie would still be Spell of the Unown and Voice of the Forest.

American--Pi
13th February 2011, 3:04 AM
Gah! I wanted to post here last week, but I somehow didn't. :( Okay, so this is what I said (rather dramatically) when I watched the movie:

- When I saw Zorua and heard her (it's a her, right?) cute little laugh, I was like, "Oh, that little Zorua is so CUTE! I want her as a pet so I could pet her on the head all day!"

- When I saw Zoroark using Night Burst or something, I was like, "0_o Wow."

- When I saw Karl's (I think that was his name) totally cool Woobat hat, I was like, "Wow, his hat has a WOOBAT on it! Hurray! Zorua and Zoroark aren't the only Generation Five things here!"

- When I saw the Zoroark-created Entei, Raikou, and Suicune terrorizing the city, I was like, "Whoa, that looks so scary and so EPIC at the same time..."

- When I saw that Rowena was working undercover, I was like, "Hurray! So she's not a bad guy after all! She is going to be SO useful."

- When I saw Zorua biting Kodai's illusion canceler, I was like, "Yes! You are awesome, Zorua! Haha, Kodai! IN YOUR FACE!"

- When I saw Celebi getting the energy from the time portal, I was like, "Um, how did Celebi do that? I thought Kodai got the energy already!" To this day, I still don't know how Celebi did that. It would please me greatly if someone could explain it to me.

- When I saw the end of the story, I was like, "Wow! That was a great movie! I loved it!"

- And... when I saw that Cartoon Network sped up the credits, I was like, ">( WHY DID YOU DO THAT, CARTOON NETWORK?"

Yes, I am a drama queen. :p

lolipiece
13th February 2011, 3:05 AM
Zorua is a male pokemon

FireTypeLover
13th February 2011, 3:13 AM
I thought the movie was pretty good. As some guy said before, way better than the last movie...

Cobalt_Latios
13th February 2011, 3:39 AM
- When I saw Celebi getting the energy from the time portal, I was like, "Um, how did Celebi do that? I thought Kodai got the energy already!" To this day, I still don't know how Celebi did that. It would please me greatly if someone could explain it to me.
Kodai was basically getting the "illusion" created by Zoroark. It was part of getting Kodai to admit that he was responsible for the events 20 years ago. Hence why it cut to Zoroark's eyes so you could tell that what was happening was indeed an illusion.

Celebi went for the real deal.

And if you're annoyed about the end credits deal, PM me, and I can send you a subbed version of it. Sure, it may not be in "English", but you'll still understand it.

/CL

American--Pi
13th February 2011, 4:40 AM
Kodai was basically getting the "illusion" created by Zoroark. It was part of getting Kodai to admit that he was responsible for the events 20 years ago. Hence why it cut to Zoroark's eyes so you could tell that what was happening was indeed an illusion.

Celebi went for the real deal.

And if you're annoyed about the end credits deal, PM me, and I can send you a subbed version of it. Sure, it may not be in "English", but you'll still understand it.

/CL

Thank you! It makes much more sense now. :) I almost NEVER fully understand Pokemon movies the first time I see them. I often have to do some careful thinking, or, if I'm really stumped, I end up asking other people for their interpretations. XP

Nah, I'm not THAT annoyed with the end credits. They're just... mildly irritating.

Steelia
13th February 2011, 5:00 AM
I have NO Idea why waterpokemonmaster, head of pokebeach, trashed this movie so badly when he saw it in japan. I do not know the skill level of his japanese,.. but i think maybe because he did not quite understand what was going on through it. He trashed the movie bad, and it was not that bad at all.

I asked the exact same thing after I'd got done watching a subbed version. Compared to the last few DP movies we've had, this? Was actually quite good. I can barely remember what happens in Darkrai's movie, and I can scarcely remember anything from Shaymin's and Arceus's (outside of Regigigas and Notched-Ear Pichu respectively).
And I think I actually shed a tear with what happened near the end with Zoroark, whereas Lucario just got an upset smile from me, after watching both subbed AND dubbed.

The plot was straightforward, but engaging; the relationship between Zoroark and Zorua was established strongly, you feel a sense of relief, even "completion" when the two finally reunite; the shiny Beasts, as said, weren't as tacked on as most Legends in the last few movies, and even had a decent amount of screentime; the majority of characters were likable, especially the lead Pkmn; and the illusionary tricks honestly got me almost every time (the first use of illusions for the beasts; Kodai's illusions of Zorua to lure Zoroark; the Celebi/time portal illusions; even the ship).

Maybe I'm just easy to please, but I was very satisfied with the way this movie went. I was starting to worry, after the lackluster/forgettable performances of the DP movies.

I can honestly say, we've got a strong pair of mascots for this generation. I've never been one to follow mascots... but for these two, I could make an exception. :)

ZoroarkFox
13th February 2011, 7:37 AM
I didn't like how the dub skipped the opening where we saw Ash, Dawn and Brock watching the Boccer match......
It explained a lot of the movie, and without it we didn't get to see how Zorua escaped or how Kodai was using Zoroark.

Commander L. Halsti
13th February 2011, 11:23 PM
A complicated plot, true to the principles of a Pokemon movie. It is a worthy send-off to the D/P/Pt saga. The remix of the Full Celebi theme from Pokemon 4ever was what made me happy. That theme is grand.

Cobalt_Latios
14th February 2011, 12:49 AM
Toy Fair, Pokemon (http://ca.kotaku.com/5759336/the-pokemon-captured-at-toy-fair-2011)

In the video, you will notice the DVD for Zoroark: Master of Illusions.

That can only mean 1 thing; we're going to be getting it soon!

/CL

ShinyVaati
17th February 2011, 3:50 AM
Seems like Cartoon Network cut the first ten minutes without TCPi's permission. (http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/TPCi_not_happy_about_Cartoon_Network_movie_cut)

Nice to know they'll keep the cut parts in the future.

FunPika
19th February 2011, 8:54 PM
Seems like Cartoon Network cut the first ten minutes without TCPi's permission. (http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/TPCi_not_happy_about_Cartoon_Network_movie_cut)

Nice to know they'll keep the cut parts in the future.

Yeah but when will "the future" be? Months, years from now? Who knows when CN will bother to air the movie again.

RedJirachi
20th February 2011, 4:24 AM
Day-uhm,the main villain Kodai trumps the other Pokemon anime villains in pure evilness

Let me elaborate.Okay,this guy's basically a cut-throat executive.Okay,I can get behind that,he could be a bit friendly-oh wait,what's that?He got his power via reducing the city to a wasteland,and he fully knew.Well,that's that's teetering on the moral event horizon.But there's still-huh?He not only threatens Zoroark by saying "don't fight against me,or your kid's dead",but the moment she has no use he kills her,and enjoys it?Yeah,he's more evil than Hunter J.At least she didn't enjoy the pain of her victims-Kodai decided to one-up her by being a spiteful sadist.Only Ghestis is Pokemon villain higher on the Evil-O-Meter

vipsoccermaster
20th February 2011, 5:48 AM
This movie was pretty good, though I didn't know it was cut in the beginning. It was nice to see Zoroark and Zorua in the 4th Generation movie, when they actually came from the 5th Generation.

Also nice to see Suicune, Entei, Raikou, and Celebi here as well, good to see that they had major roles.

hever
24th February 2011, 9:11 AM
I don't like this movie as much as the older ones. Lately, I've been hating that the featured Pokemon can talk. I really don't like that.

Arcamenel
24th February 2011, 10:07 AM
I really enjoyed the movie. Kodai really pissed me off which is the sign of a good villain for me. I read a few of the past post and don't see how there was confusion that zorua was a boy. I got the impression that Zorua was young and still growing. Little boys don't sound like grown men and even without significant base in the voice I could tell it was more masculine than anything. The nature of it seemed more boyish as well. I know the voice actor is actually a female but I think she did a good enough job to pass as a young boy.

travisjb90
25th February 2011, 9:41 PM
This was an awesome Movie. Probably my favorite Pokemon Movie. Zorua was an awesome character! He was funny an cute. I liked when he turned into everyone. I liked how he called Zoroark Mema. Zoroark was so awesome! I loved all the action in this movie. Kodai was a very evil and very interesting character. I liked Carl and Roweena they were cool. It was cool seeing journalists. The Three Legendary Beasts we so cool and awesome too. I like how they were shiny. It was cool seeing Celebi! Celebi was a very cool character to have in the movie.

s2daam
26th February 2011, 10:23 AM
Well, it's about to air in the UK.. I'll update you all if we get the intro aswell :D

EDIT: YES!! WE'VE GOT THE INTRO FROM THE BEGGINNING!!!!

Ryan220694
26th February 2011, 10:32 AM
Well, it's about to air in the UK.. I'll update you all if we get the intro aswell :D

EDIT: YES!! WE'VE GOT THE INTRO FROM THE BEGGINNING!!!!

YES!!!! Just started watcing it as well! Don't like the fact that its on CITV tough too early in the morning :( but i think also after the movie ends that the final episode of sinnoh league victors will show which makes sense so that the movie actually takes place before the end.

Aesir
26th February 2011, 2:48 PM
I enjoyed it

of course now I want a Zorua even more <<

Elite Trainer Corey
27th February 2011, 3:36 AM
can anyone upload the ending song?

Venusaur Master
27th February 2011, 5:19 PM
Say what you will about the story of the film, but that ending song combined with the way the credits said goodbye to all the dp characters over the years was worth it for me, very touching.

MeowMix
27th February 2011, 5:27 PM
Ending song? Yikes, I hate you, cartoon network! D:<

Anyway, I think it was a touching movie. Those guys know how to make me cry.

MasterKenobi
27th February 2011, 6:09 PM
I saw it in FULL yesterday in the Movie Theatre and it really is great. I loved how they started the whole movie with Ash battling Gold/Ethan where he had a Donphan and Ash had Pikachu!

Remind anyone of any other movie? Exactly! ;D

Also, the ending song was really sort of cheesy if you ask me. All the Japanese endings blow the Dub out of the water anyways.

G50
28th February 2011, 5:54 AM
This movie was really cool. Zorua and Zoroark are so cool! It was great seeing the Shiney Raikou, Entei, and Suicune in this movie. It was great to have Celebi back again for a very important role. Zorua and Zoroarks' illusions are really cool and funny. It was funny to see Zorua changing into Pikachu, Ash, Brock, and Dawn. The bad guy really hurt Zoroark a lot, especially in the beginning. Zorua is definitely 1 major Mischievious Pokemon.

80/100

Shneak
11th March 2011, 10:16 PM
Zoroark: Master of Illusions airs tomorrow at 2:00 on YTV for us Canadians.

Hopefully we get the full thing.

Shneak
12th March 2011, 10:09 PM
Yes! YTV aired the whole thing, including the first 10 minutes and the credits.

I enjoyed the movie much more and I understood it better too.

The ending song was great. It was called 'I Believe In You' by Erin Bowman. It's stuck in my head now. Somebody should upload it when it airs on the west coast.

SmartD
14th March 2011, 4:10 AM
I saw the movie at the Black and White Tour. It's been a long time since I saw a Pokemon movie in theaters (the last one I remember was Pokemon 4ever). It was a great movie, though I only missed some of the begining. There was an intriguing plot, an antagonist that would go so far to accomplish his own selfish goals, and great scenes. The audience laughed at the funny parts, like the ones where Zorua turns into humans. Overall, I had a good time.

Aura24
16th April 2011, 10:08 AM
Master of Illusions will on Cartoon Network again, Saturday today. Hopefully the full version of the movie will show.

lolipiece
16th April 2011, 10:13 AM
Master of Illusions will on Cartoon Network again, Saturday today. Hopefully the full version of the movie will show.

It is the full version

Aura24
16th April 2011, 10:18 AM
That's good :3

halloweenghost
17th April 2011, 1:00 AM
amd of course here in america.. they speed up the end credits and smoosh it off to the side like always -_-

Platinum fan.
17th April 2011, 1:39 AM
I finally saw this movie today on Cartoon Network on my new Comcast box. The movie is okay. I liked the villain's design and Zorua's laugh while changing into numerous characters but other then that the movie was just kind of meh. Glad I saw it though.

Aura24
17th April 2011, 10:39 AM
amd of course here in america.. they speed up the end credits and smoosh it off to the side like always -_-

That's Cartoon Network for you...

Nara
18th April 2011, 7:10 PM
Zorua's laugh while changing into numerous characters

YES! That was one of the cutest laughs ever! <3
I still need to see the full uncut version :<

JD93
5th May 2011, 7:57 PM
On disney xd uk they had shown the film today but they havn't shown it in full hd its a small screen with black bars at the side.

JasonTongFlute
16th May 2011, 9:20 AM
Did anyone else completely miss the plot because Cartoon Network sipped like 20 minutes of the beginning? :S

I was confused for the whole movie..

Eternal Draconic
28th May 2011, 3:54 PM
This was the BEST pokemon movie. period. underlined. italicized. bold.

Youngster_Joey
8th June 2011, 6:40 AM
This movie, I thought, was decent.

Littlemyuu
15th June 2011, 2:49 PM
The movie about Zorua and Zoroark, when they first aired it in Holland ( they did show the whole movie from the begining) when they start it i was all exited to see the parts of 'Holland'' (since they used Holland/Belgium as an area for the movie) when Zorua tried to escape from meanie bad guy (forgot his name) when Zorua jumps out of the plane and pops on a Skiploom thats just adorabele and transform into it..when he landed on TR and gave them that grin...thats cute ^w^ so later into the movie when celebi flies trough the city i was suprised that they put the details so perfect on the places! i really got thrilled when i saw the shining dogs look up to the sky into the city, and Zoroark who go all around the city to look for her son soo cute =3 and Zorua who called for his ''Mima''
i was almost vrying at the end thinking Zoroark would die D: but its a great movie 10/10 for sure

Willow's Tara
17th June 2011, 2:41 PM
I just watched this movie tonight and it was a good one. I do have some things I wished was in it. That more of the trio's Pokemon had gotten shown and even got to battle, but considering it was more around the bad guy like someone said I can see why. Also wished we got to see aleast Ash fighting in that tournament (Was he actually signing up or did he just want to watch it this time around? Didn't hear properly).

Zorua was really cute though, I want one in my game now, didn't get the event one however because of stupid Maccas I couldn't grab my Shiny trio. Anyways of course TR hardly does anything in the movie, but aleast they wanted to try to steal the Pokemon this time instead of not trying at all (The legends I mean).

Loved the end credits when they showed all the major gym leaders (I presume that guy with the Rhyperior that was featured next to Cynthia was Palmer? I don't think I have seen any episodes with him in it yet, missed alot in S12). Wouldn't have minded to see them in a little extra scene too but they might have taken too long lol. (Would have been a great chance to showcase Gardenia and Cacnea).

It was like a goodbye to the Sinnoh Region really (I haven't seen the League or the last episodes, so can't comment or compare that), nice song to go with the credits as well.

Blackjack the Titan
25th June 2011, 7:41 AM
Will anime44.com also show this movie on the site?

Treecko Girl
2nd September 2011, 10:57 PM
Eh... I watched this movie for the first time yesterday and I gotta say, I was somewhat disappointed. I thought that the plot was very slow and not much... really happened. Why were the three dogs shiny? Was that explained and I missed it? I wish Ho-oh and Lugia showed up and got into a huge fight. That would have spiced things up. Everything just seemed kind of dead to me.

I liked Zorua's laugh, though. =p
It wasn't completly terrible, but it's nowhere near the best Pokémon movie.

Arufa
3rd September 2011, 3:46 PM
I was one of the people who saw the movie on CN, and I recorded it. Not only was the intro removed entirely, but when I watched the recorded movie they actually had enough time remaining to fit an episode of adventure time in. The schedule even stated the movie time and the adventure time duration added up. I was so furious! They skipped the intro and credits just to squeeze in an episode of adventure time into my recording box. I kept it there for a while, because that was my only way of watching the movie, but I didn't get the whole movie.

*futachimaru*
16th September 2011, 7:03 PM
Zoroark master of illusions was an amazing film! it had brillaint animation and i cant wait to get it on dvd for my birthday!

TheBattleFrontierAsh1
16th September 2011, 7:15 PM
Will anime44.com also show this movie on the site?I've checked it not there As far as i'm concerned which is sad.


Zoroark master of illusions was an amazing film! it had brillaint animation and i cant wait to get it on dvd for my birthday!

I was a decent DP movie heck it was way better than the last 3 were it felt like the third pokemon movie only with better character designs.

Zoruagible
17th September 2011, 1:49 PM
This is my favorite movie, by far. I love how they showed Paul in the credits. My favorite part of it were the Zorua transforming parts.

Cobalt_Latios
18th September 2011, 9:06 PM
You can watch this movie online on Pokemon.com, this weekend only (well, at this point, on Sunday only).

Just thought people would like to know. Kind of surprising, as it's coming out on DVD... on Tuesday.

So... yeah.

'CL

vipsoccermaster
19th September 2011, 10:27 AM
It's already over, though. I don't think I'll get the DVD, but it would be nice to have...

Cobalt_Latios
20th September 2011, 7:53 PM
It's already over, though. I don't think I'll get the DVD, but it would be nice to have...
Well it's out today.

'CL

~Kurou
21st October 2011, 11:32 PM
This movie is great I watched it on the internet
I also really liked it cuz my fav pokemon is zoroark xD

pokeninja123
22nd October 2011, 12:16 AM
best pokemon movie yet.

Aesir
1st November 2011, 5:17 PM
Quick questions:

If Zoroark had of died, do you think Ash would have caught it, rather than having it rough it on it's own in his homeland (obviously that wouldn't make sense for the series, but just for a topic of conversation)

Also, considering that Zorua and Zoroark are never seen in the wild in the Unova games, do you think that maybe Zorua's homeland ISN'T actually Unova, but a currently unknown region...I'd like to think that (just like how I don't think of Pokemon like Eevee as native to Kanto, despite being first available in those games, because it's not found wild there etc)

Psychic
14th November 2011, 5:25 AM
I found this movie a lot more tolerable and less full of plot-holes than the Darkrai and Giratina movies. It still had the usual plot-holes that Pokemon movies are full of. I really don't see why Kodai had to pretend to own the beasts and risk people discovering he doesn't, or why he has Zoroark turn into them instead of cutting out the middleman and just ordering Zoroark or another equally powerful Pokemon (or a dozen of them) to go on a rampage instead. Anything would have worked as a distraction to evacuate Crown City, so why choose the forms of the city's guardians? Alternatively, a man with this much wealth and power would have plenty of others ways to evacuate. Also gotta love how Zorua can talk for no real reason.

Anyhow, it was a decent enough movie as far as these go. Mostly it was just nice finally seeing Raikou get to do something, and this movie spawned lots of nifty merchandise of the beasts, even Shiny versions, and neat Event Downloads for the game.

~Psychic

The Great Butler
14th November 2011, 6:04 AM
I found this movie a lot more tolerable and less full of plot-holes than the Darkrai and Giratina movies. It still had the usual plot-holes that Pokemon movies are full of. I really don't see why Kodai had to pretend to own the beasts and risk people discovering he doesn't, or why he has Zoroark turn into them instead of cutting out the middleman and just ordering Zoroark or another equally powerful Pokemon (or a dozen of them) to go on a rampage instead. Anything would have worked as a distraction to evacuate Crown City, so why choose the forms of the city's guardians? Alternatively, a man with this much wealth and power would have plenty of others ways to evacuate.

He had to do what the vision (the one he had in the flashback to his introduction to Rowena) showed him, in order to make sure the future where he was in Crown City looking for the Time Ripple would happen. He saw Entei, Suicune, Raikou and Zoroark rampaging, then people evacuating followed by himself in the city, so he put two and two together and took the easiest route to actually fulfill the physical appearance of what he saw happening.

Shneak
14th January 2012, 10:48 PM
I like how Peg made a cameo at the end of Pokemon Black. I guess she's from Unova, but she was a fan of the Sinnoh team, not the Unova team in the World Cup. Hmm.