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Ellie
14th February 2011, 4:20 PM
Note that this blacklist is also for the 4th gen & 5th gen, but there will only be one now to avoid confusion.

Post here if you have been scammed in the trade forums. Remember to provide as much evidence as you possibly can (including screenshots of PMs and such, note that you can use the Report button on a PM to send an exact copy to all mods), so that we can determine if the scam happened.

Follow this form when you post, filling out as much as you can:

Username of Scammer
In-Game Name
Friend Code
What happened (post the story of what happened here, including all evidence you may have)

Any members caught scamming will receive a 3 week ban.

BoneBurry (http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?u=112793) admitted it here (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=9898394&postcount=158)

cian94 (http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?315769-cian94) admitted it here (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?486807-Trade-Forum-Blacklist&p=14837695#post14837695)

manaphyfan (http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?u=139570) - summary here after pages of bleh (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=12387250&postcount=101)

JuanLiNK26 (http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?u=218462) - Evidence here, further discussion over the next few pages with your usual arguing. (Continuously spamming/insulting others)

HabsfaN7 (http://serebiiforums.com/member.php?u=267971) - Multiple posts here on him, he refused to provide his proof despite multiple PMs/VMs. (http://serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=486807&page=20)

Zekromreshiram (http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?u=280718) admitted it here (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=12939556&postcount=516)

Grim Magma (http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?u=283876) - proved here (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=13193666&postcount=577) and here (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=13193793&postcount=580)

moe_abz (http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?u=214210) - scammed as seen here (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=13412835&postcount=757)

Japan (http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?u=287962) - starts halfway here (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=486807&page=40)and has lots of pointless arguing! (refused tradeback)

bhowe90 (http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?u=275397) - was accused of scamming here (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=486807&page=50) and never replied to this thread after being sent VM's requesting him to. Also made a second account to try and get around it

mew master4-10-90 (http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?u=150536) - was accused of scamming here (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=13691608&postcount=1026) and never replied to this thread after being sent VMs to do a tradeback. Failed to tradeback.

hades666 (http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?287725-hades666) - accused of multiple scams around here (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?486807-Trade-Forum-Blacklist/page78).

Captain Coopstain - see end of page 81/82, refused to check thread.

maxlly (http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?316694-maxlly) - did not respond to requests to check thread/do a trade back. See page 94/5.

johnjohn95 (http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?338019-johnjohn95) - See page 77

kattarraa (http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?321212-kattarraa) - See page 76/77

koolaidman594 (http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?326509-koolaidman594) - See page 76


Also remember this is only to report scammers. If you want to know if your Pokemon is hacked, find the thread in the main forum.

I am also including some tips for saving evidence when trading so that if your trade partner does end up being a scammer, we can properly punish him/her.


Tips for Saving Trade Evidence
Since the majority of negotiation and such in SPPf's trade forums has to take place outside of the forums themselves, it can be hard to prove that your trade partner is a scammer, if that does intend to be the case. However, using these tips will give you a better chance of proving your side of the story.

1) If your trade negotiation takes place in your Visitor Messages, all you have to do is show us the conversation. VMs can be seen by any moderator even if one or both user has a private profile, and even if the scammer deletes the VMs, we can still un-delete them to read them.

2) If your trade negotiation takes place via Private Messages, don't delete any of the PMs. Using the "Report PM" button in your PMs, you can send an exact copy of the PM(s) you received to all moderators, so we will know you didn't edit it. Just be sure to say in the description what the report is for, because not all moderators check this thread or even moderate this forum. Be sure you don't delete your PMs concerning the incident until it is resolved, because once deleted PMs cannot be recovered.

3) If your trade negotiation takes place outside of SPPf, such as in email or instant messaging (not recommended), take screenshots and save conversation logs. There isn't as much we can do with these, since they can be editted, but it's better than nothing. Try to negotiate through SPPf so that we can see what happened if anything goes wrong.
4) If your trade partner is a scammer, always be sure to get their in-game name, IDno, FC, and/or any other useful information. It's harder to change these things, so if the person creates a new account (not allowed), or the Pokemon were traded to other innocent people, they will be spotted before more people can get scammed.

Also, you should try to save this evidence before every trade with a new person just in case anything bad happens. Most people out there aren't going to take your Pokemon, but if it does happen, having better evidence can help us punish the people properly.

Pyello
9th March 2011, 12:35 AM
A guy was supposed to trade me a victini and patrat for oshowatt and snivy, but after i did oshowatt for patrat he logged out of wifi!!!! I was supposed to get victini (#000) also!!!!!!

Dreamcoat
10th March 2011, 7:12 AM
A guy was supposed to trade me a victini and patrat for oshowatt and snivy, but after i did oshowatt for patrat he logged out of wifi!!!! I was supposed to get victini (#000) also!!!!!!
You kinda need to give a name as well so it's clear who needs to be blacklisted ;)

9dragonbreed
28th March 2011, 12:29 AM
Username of Scammer: level99love

In-Game Name: Did not give but OT of latios is Namie

ID No.: 47374

Friend Code: (White) 3052 7375 7030
(Other FC that is most likely Platinum)4985 4701 8801

What happened:
level99love pm'ed me saying "I would like to trade you an enigma stone Latios for your shiny Zorua." I said ok and recieved fc. So after the trade i went to check it and i noticed it was the wrong one, so i sent a pm saying i need to get my shiny zorua back but i never got a response. So i sent a vm. Later, still with no response, i sent another and noticed the previous one was deleted. After some vms and pms with no response i figured it was because level99love wasnt on, when in fact level99love was on multiple times. there was once where i sent a pm when level99love was on and then level99love logged off. I still have all the pms and i reported it.

Here is the pm conversation. I used the snipping tool on my computer to get the picture. The pm after that said that the latios was legit and caught by masterball. That ends the pms for level99love but i have many saying i want my shiny zorua back.

http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad314/9dragonbreed/Proof.png

SkittyOnWailord
28th March 2011, 10:55 AM
i am here to blacklist Teravoid.

he has been extremely rude to me when we were discussing details about our trade


hello guys, may you blacklist this person for being have a bad attitude.
here his username: gasol16spain

Being rude or having a bad atitude is not the same as scamming. This thread is only for posting scammers. Deletes your posts*

SkittyOnWailord
28th March 2011, 1:36 PM
yah, i know that. but it still a part of a trade. you cannot trade if you don't have conversasion.so is it ok to be being rude, how about someone do to you like that. is it ok to you?

Then you don't trade with that person. Or if they are being very rude then you can report the VM/PM to a mod. This is the scamming thread, it's only for posting if you got scammed. IE someone gave you a different Pokemon than what you agreed on and won't trade back.

lalasiny
28th March 2011, 6:57 PM
Then you don't trade with that person. Or if they are being very rude then you can report the VM/PM to a mod. This is the scamming thread, it's only for posting if you got scammed. IE someone gave you a different Pokemon than what you agreed on and won't trade back.

if so where can we make it known to people about these guys?

SkittyOnWailord
29th March 2011, 12:10 PM
if so where can we make it known to people about these guys?

If it's in a VM or post then use the report button. If it's in a PM then forward it to a mod.


since u link bad manners which annoys people with bad spelling and punctuation it means bad spelling and punctuation annoys you which means you get easily annoyed....very easily annoyed just wanted to point that out

Purposely spelling words wrong or using "chat speak" too much can also get you an infraction. At least trying to spell words correctly is pretty much required. If you want to use chat speak and spell things wrong then go to a chat room, not a forum.

If you have any more questions about this then feel free to PM me or another mod about it. This thread isn't the place for discussing the rules.

Ellie
2nd April 2011, 8:46 PM
also just to clarify, outright flaming isn't allowed, and should be reported, but "being rude" has different meanings and won't always get a punishment. so don't whine if you feel someone was rude to you and they don't get punished.

and as said, this is for scammers only, not anything else. now behave if you guys don't want infractions.

Osada
5th April 2011, 7:45 AM
sorry I asked this.. does most of the people do clone their pokemon before trading? or telling that the pokemon they hacked to obtain as a legit one?

Abstinence Pistols
7th April 2011, 2:44 AM
sorry I asked this.. does most of the people do clone their pokemon before trading? or telling that the pokemon they hacked to obtain as a legit one?

While a majority are from previously legit pokemon, this does happen often. I oppose this because it takes the point out of a trade, and will usually only accept the original.

<Some Name Here>
7th April 2011, 8:01 PM
Hello fellow Serebii.Net users and Mods.. i would like to blacklist Hpboy7 we have completed one trade (Event Zoura for Girantia) Yet now he refuses to leave Wifi unless i give him a JPN Reshiram or Zekrom.. I could just cut Wi-FI, but it could damage my game, i am warning anyone reading this DO NOT TRADE WITH Hpboy7!

Hpboy7
7th April 2011, 8:13 PM
wow, seriously? i only asked if you had a reshiram/tornadus. you could have left at any time, and it wouldnt damage your game. seriously, you didn't have to even trade with me in the first place. plus you didn't specify you wanted an item too so hah

Matt36
7th April 2011, 8:26 PM
Dealing with Hpboy7 now, nothing wrong with the kid.

<Some Name Here>
Have you been robbed of a pokemon? No.
Have you been traded the wrong Pokemon? No.
Lost anything? No.

Then don't post here. I've already reported you for you uncessery insults to me in a PM. All because you weren't clear with your message to me? Genius.

I suggest you sort your manner out on here, You won't get anywhere and I can tell a lot of people not to trade with you.

Mods, I suggest you delete this crap in here.

<Some Name Here>
7th April 2011, 8:34 PM
Observe, little retard me making another account. GG, by the way. the admins here are all gay. it's proven! :)

Matt36
7th April 2011, 8:52 PM
It's called an IP ban, genius.

Mods, do your thing.

KiwiDude
7th April 2011, 9:29 PM
It's called an IP ban, genius.

Mods, do your thing.
Second that

Abstinence Pistols
8th April 2011, 2:21 AM
Second that
Third it. IP ban jerks like this! Ps you have already earned yourself a ban by calling the mods gay and using this as a derogatory term, smart one.

Guywhoiam
9th April 2011, 4:23 AM
I am not here because I am wondering if my pokemon are hacked, I KNOW they are hacked. I traded with Miss Emo Girl for a Mew and Shaymin from her trade shop. When I received the Pokemon, I learned that they were caught in Johto. This isn't possible. I am not the only one in this boat. There are others who've checked their Pokemon from her in the Hack Check Thread, and they were deemed hacks. Khybon asked her if they were legit and she said yes. He has no proof other than the Pokemon themselves. I wasn't told they were hacks, and feel cheated since I gave her shinies. The only proof I have are the Pokemon themselves.

Thank you for you time,
Guywhoiam

Ju-da-su
9th April 2011, 6:11 AM
The pokemons themselves are one of the best evidence IMO though...since you can tell right away if the owner hack or not from them, both on the surface (like what people do in the Hack Check thread...) and under the surface (checking for trashbyte and hex values...I don't see anyone used those here, but that's actually the best way to identify hacked pokemons IMO...probably because it's a little complicated...-_-")

Abstinence Pistols
9th April 2011, 12:21 PM
I am not here because I am wondering if my pokemon are hacked, I KNOW they are hacked. I traded with Miss Emo Girl for a Mew and Shaymin from her trade shop. When I received the Pokemon, I learned that they were caught in Johto. This isn't possible. I am not the only one in this boat. There are others who've checked their Pokemon from her in the Hack Check Thread, and they were deemed hacks. Khybon asked her if they were legit and she said yes. He has no proof other than the Pokemon themselves. I wasn't told they were hacks, and feel cheated since I gave her shinies. The only proof I have are the Pokemon themselves.

Thank you for you time,
Guywhoiam

Well, I'm pretty sure it only says when they got migrated I.e. My Ho-oh only said "arrived at level 74". If that's the case, then she could have just traded them over from Platinum to use them.

SkittyOnWailord
9th April 2011, 12:27 PM
I am not here because I am wondering if my pokemon are hacked, I KNOW they are hacked. I traded with Miss Emo Girl for a Mew and Shaymin from her trade shop. When I received the Pokemon, I learned that they were caught in Johto. This isn't possible. I am not the only one in this boat. There are others who've checked their Pokemon from her in the Hack Check Thread, and they were deemed hacks. Khybon asked her if they were legit and she said yes. He has no proof other than the Pokemon themselves. I wasn't told they were hacks, and feel cheated since I gave her shinies. The only proof I have are the Pokemon themselves.

Thank you for you time,
Guywhoiam

I'll VM her and ask her to reply in this thread about this. We'll see what her side of the story is.


Well, I'm pretty sure it only says when they got migrated I.e. My Ho-oh only said "arrived at level 74". If that's the case, then she could have just traded them over from Platinum to use them.

Unlike the level, the caught location cannot be changed.

miss emo girl
9th April 2011, 1:58 PM
Im sorry for the inconvenience. The pkmn I traded to you people I had received in trades and I honestly didn't know they were hacked. If you wish I will offer back the pkmn I received in the trades.

Guywhoiam
9th April 2011, 7:15 PM
Im sorry for the inconvenience. The pkmn I traded to you people I had received in trades and I honestly didn't know they were hacked. If you wish I will offer back the pkmn I received in the trades.

I would like to trade back, and I sent you a PM about it. Since you are offering my Pokemon back, I will withdraw my previous complaint upon the trades completion.

And SkittyonWailord, I thank you for your prompt response.

EDIT: Miss Emo Girl traded me back, therefore I formally withdraw my complaint.

mike0811
19th April 2011, 2:22 PM
manaphyfan traded him a darkrai for what was meant to be a shiny haxorus and a shiny charizard upon reciving my darkrai he left the room and is ignoring my pm asking for the other pokemon he said for trade i have pm him telling him im reporting him until he gives me the other pokemon i advise all other people to avoid trading with him for 2 for 1 deals because he will only supply one of them apparently then ignore you this needs sorting out please

here is the trade deal : Quote:
Originally Posted by mike0811
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i can do that trade for allamos darkrai
you got alamos darkrai?
yep
what pokemon ur interested in?
the two for one trade deal you mentioned earlier
shiny charizard and lucario?
the shiny haxorus and charizard one
oh ok im going to add ur white and go in now
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mike0811
19th April 2011, 2:36 PM
just to add here is what his reply has been to this just to note he has not mentioned once about a weak connection or connection problems Re: fine...
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Originally Posted by manaphyfan
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im adding you to blacklist on trades and adding your name to my sig so people know not to trade you il withdraw and change these when you give me the charizard
dude i told u to wait awhile , do if u like.
you havent sent any pm at all you went off after trading the first thing and now your avoiding coming back in im still in there waiting
dammit i told u that i have weak connections right now and im doing like 3-5min to load a page
seriously where the hell are these messages ? i dont have any and odd how it was fine to take your items back off the pokes then get my darkrai like i said il remove both things as soon as you come through on the trade till then they remain its no big deal if your gueininly going to pay up but until then you will have to deal with it wont you
do as u like then , since u posted , u crossed my last line and there . have fun
ha its no problem to me im not scamming here you offered 2 for 1 and ran off when you got the darkrai if you want to scam people feel free but im going to make sure the mods know that you have


sorry to add he is now trying to say he has actually traded the charizard to me but i assure you he hasnt this person really needs a warning or something mods please
Feel free , i passed you ur charizard just now
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Sabconth
19th April 2011, 2:58 PM
sorry to add he is now trying to say he has actually traded the charizard to me but i assure you he hasnt this person really needs a warning or something mods please
Feel free , i passed you ur charizard just now
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Thanks for the warning.

I nearly traded this guy my ALAMOS Darkrai too, but after I got a better offer, I told him I'd have to cancel and apologized.

He wasn't exactly polite in his response, nor would he simply let the matter drop.

mike0811
19th April 2011, 3:03 PM
Thanks for the warning.

I nearly traded this guy my ALAMOS Darkrai too, but after I got a better offer, I told him I'd have to cancel and apologized.

He wasn't exactly polite in his response, nor would he simply let the matter drop.


its ok thanks for the comment this will help a lot to hopefully getting this jackass banned why scam people out of pokemon its just sad really thanks anyway add his name to your sig or something like i did just incase =D

Vest
19th April 2011, 3:07 PM
sorry to add he is now trying to say he has actually traded the charizard to me but i assure you he hasnt this person really needs a warning or something mods please
Feel free , i passed you ur charizard just now
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Thanks for the warning.

I nearly traded this guy my ALAMOS Darkrai too, but after I got a better offer, I told him I'd have to cancel and apologized.

He wasn't exactly polite in his response, nor would he simply let the matter drop.

I've had an experience with manaphyfan where he was very rude to me aswell, I suggest avoiding trading with this person.

mike0811
19th April 2011, 3:09 PM
lol he is not a happy person is he and you cant really put things like behaviour up here its for scamming i think not sure maybe you can have to wait for a mods verdict on that but thanks anyway guys this all goes towards getting this person noticed by mods because he has actually scammed me so thats against the rules and he should be banned for it

manaphyfan
19th April 2011, 3:14 PM
Dudes stop bootlicking and provide info if u stated u traded alamos darkrai to me , prove it or call mods to search sabconth and vest stop barking , u broke promise about trading to me and u traded it alway and dint even notice me about it until i talked to u in your trade shop and mike i traded u my charizard and haxorus and sabconth u dint told me until i ask u if u wanted to trade , i dare u to post every thing our chat. U were talking about ur dragonite for 30min until i asked u if u still want to trade and stop being naggy

manaphyfan
19th April 2011, 3:24 PM
Sorry for double comment dk why cant delete and just to add on vest and the another gu who claim that im rude , if u both dare to say that u dint waste my time and vest who asked me wait 1day for nth . Let the admin use admin panel to check and if im wrOng about every single one of u i get ban and if im right about u , u get ban how about that dare to bet? Or ur just crapping

Sabconth
19th April 2011, 3:33 PM
i dare u to post every thing our chat.

Ok, i can do that.



Are you offering all of that for a Alamos Darkrai, or just giving us a choice.

I have an Alamos Darkrai I could trade, but what's so special about it?


Its a event pokemon , i collect all event pokemon


Ah, I see.


so are u interested to trade yours?


Sure I am, but what exactly are you trading for it.

I was a bit confused if it was just one of the things you offered or all of them?


Interested in shiny lucario or charizard?



Not really.

Somebody else has just made me a pretty good offer for it too, so I won't be trading it now. Sorry.

Thanks for the offer though.


How about 2 for 1? shiny charizard and shiny lucario for darkrai? Imma event collector i dont need shiny.


That's a great deal, but the person I'm trading to just has a much better offer. Sorry.


Haxorus adament att ev + charizard? Shiny haxorus are rare dude


They're very rare, but I'm getting a flawless shiny dratini from the other guy, and I really want a dragonite in my competetive team.


Haxorus have higher damage


Not if it's not flawless

Besides Dragonite's one of my fav's.


Haxorus has 31att and 30spd o.O no one uses haxorus for def people makes use of its high dmg to win and haxorus rank 3 in attack whereas drAgonite are like 20-30plus


Then I'll just bust out suicune and Ice beam his ***, problem solved.


Err sorry but suixune got speed lower than haxorus , 1 hit draco meteo suicume is dead

I didn't reply to him after that, hoping he'd stop messaging me but...


Theres something called foces stash and quick claw , i play pokemon since red/blue version and i'm soon gonna be a gym leader so i know more technique to counter off weakness, 1 question u want or not? Not i bluffing go marriland black white pokedex and see haxorus tank and dragonite . Dragonite is strong but thata 5yrs ago right now haxorus rules and since i have event axew i dont need shiny haxorus as im a pokemon collector and i only battle with pokemon online

I quoted the bold part when i replied to him.


No, I've already traded for the dratini.


Ok than enjoy weak pokemons

I replied saying "I will"

That's our whole conversation, judge for yourselves.

EDIT:I'd also like to add that I don't want to create a drama out of this, and I don't want Manaphyfan banned.

But a warning against behaviour like this in the future would be nice.

manaphyfan
19th April 2011, 3:43 PM
Oh wheres ur so called apologized ur talking abot it and u dint even said u traded ur darkrai all u say is "i wont be trading it for not"

Sabconth
19th April 2011, 3:52 PM
Oh wheres ur so called apologized ur talking abot it "

I've put the specific times I said sorry in bold and underlined.


Not really.

Somebody else has just made me a pretty good offer for it too, so I won't be trading it now. Sorry.

Thanks for the offer though.


That's a great deal, but the person I'm trading to just has a much better offer. Sorry.


and u dint even said u traded ur darkrai all u say is "i wont be trading it for not

I put the specific times I told you I didn't want to trade, and that I'd already traded it in bold and underlined.


Not really.

Somebody else has just made me a pretty good offer for it too,so I won't be trading it now. Sorry.

Thanks for the offer though.


No, I've already traded for the dratini

manaphyfan
19th April 2011, 4:04 PM
U said traded until i asked if u still gonna trade

Sabconth
19th April 2011, 4:08 PM
U said traded until i asked if u still gonna trade


?

I don't understand.

You thought I'd traded it, but still asked if I was going to trade it?

Should this conversation even be taking place? This is a thread for people to complain about being scammed, not a debate forum.

I'm not the one filing a complaint about you, I'm just offering evidence to support someone else's claim, and to vindicate my own actions against your so far inaccurate accusations.

Let's wait until a mod or someone higher up can weigh in.

EDIT:I think Ju-da-su's opinion and experience in trading is more valid than any of ours.

Ju-da-su
19th April 2011, 4:12 PM
Don't know if I should butt in, but...honestly speaking, I don't even see why sabconth has to apologize to you though, manaphyfan... .-.

I mean, this is what I got from reading the conversation. Sabconth has an ALAMOS Darkrai. Manaphyfan want to make an offer for it, so he said he's offering either a shiny Haxorus and a shiny Charizard. Sabconth rejected it, since someone just offered him a flawless Dratini for that Darkrai, which to him, suits much better than your offer (do keep in mind that this is TO sabconth. Haxorus can be better than Dragonite for whatever your reason is, but sabconth is the one who's deciding which one he wants better, not you. :S ). Then you start to persistantly push your offer onto sabconth, even after knowing that he already rejected your offer, saying that Haxorus is better than Dragonite, blah, blah. Sabconth continued to his scheduled trade for the Dratini with another person as he already mentioned to you back when he initially rejected your offer, and that's all.

I don't see anything here, but you trying to push on a long rejected offer onto sabconth then blame him for wasting your time when he said no to your offer right after you stated your offer though...-.-"

Lycael
19th April 2011, 4:20 PM
I don't see anything here, but you trying to push on a long rejected offer onto sabconth then blame him for wasting your time when he said no to your offer right after you stated your offer though...-.-"

Nice one Ju-da-su, IMO, you shouldn't push declined offers onto people, it's very childish and downright rude.

mike0811
19th April 2011, 5:24 PM
Dudes stop bootlicking and provide info if u stated u traded alamos darkrai to me , prove it or call mods to search sabconth and vest stop barking , u broke promise about trading to me and u traded it alway and dint even notice me about it until i talked to u in your trade shop and mike i traded u my charizard and haxorus and sabconth u dint told me until i ask u if u wanted to trade , i dare u to post every thing our chat. U were talking about ur dragonite for 30min until i asked u if u still want to trade and stop being naggy


no problem what so ever here scammer you have set yourself up by claiming to have traded me the charizard rite ? so what was the crap before oh wait has someone just been proved wrong yes they have if you want to scam then scam but your going to get banned in the end and im not removing anything till you give me the charizard you owe me

mike0811
19th April 2011, 5:29 PM
Don't know if I should butt in, but...honestly speaking, I don't even see why sabconth has to apologize to you though, manaphyfan... .-.

I mean, this is what I got from reading the conversation. Sabconth has an ALAMOS Darkrai. Manaphyfan want to make an offer for it, so he said he's offering either a shiny Haxorus and a shiny Charizard. Sabconth rejected it, since someone just offered him a flawless Dratini for that Darkrai, which to him, suits much better than your offer (do keep in mind that this is TO sabconth. Haxorus can be better than Dragonite for whatever your reason is, but sabconth is the one who's deciding which one he wants better, not you. :S ). Then you start to persistantly push your offer onto sabconth, even after knowing that he already rejected your offer, saying that Haxorus is better than Dragonite, blah, blah. Sabconth continued to his scheduled trade for the Dratini with another person as he already mentioned to you back when he initially rejected your offer, and that's all.

I don't see anything here, but you trying to push on a long rejected offer onto sabconth then blame him for wasting your time when he said no to your offer right after you stated your offer though...-.-"


to clear things up heres whats happened hes asked me to trade a darkrai i said i would for his offer of shiny charizard and shiny haxorus i traded him the darkrai first for one waiting to get the other he then left wifi after he gave me one and refuses to give me the other now which partly my own fault for trusting him for 2 for 1 offer and giving good on the first but ive done this plenty of times before and never been scammed by a retard like him now fearing being banned by a mod he is trying to claim he gave me both pokemon but doesnt realise our entire conversation is up here where he even claims to be having connection problems which is a lie and then even states he wont give me the charizard because i blacklisted him lol so now he just looks stupid and is a lying to try save his own *** when all he has to do is give me the charizard and thats all and the other guy is just someone else who agrees he is a bad person to trade with =D so in short this guy scammed me out of a darkrai by only giving me half of what he said he would

manaphyfan
19th April 2011, 11:13 PM
Dude i owe u nth , i gave u aready wtf -.-

Ju-da-su
20th April 2011, 4:17 PM
*sigh*

Well, I'm always one of those people who always put fodder in first if it's multiple for one of my pokemons type of trade though, especially if another person is the one who come at me for it first. That way, I can be sure that that person isn't going to scam me sure, and won't have to come back and accusing one another in a BL thread like this. If that person refused to trade for fodder first, cancel the whole deal. Chance is, he's trying to steal your pokemon, since tbh, there's no real reason to deny the fodder since you'll be getting it anyway. But again, that's if you're 100% sure you'll never run away from trades either. Just take note of that for next time then.

Even though you both are accusing each other like this, tbh, neither of you have any real proof that that person is a scammer. All I see is you both punching back and forth at one another. Neither of you give any kind of proof like with sabconth, so I can't really put in anything into this, so...-.-"

Mew&Celebi
20th April 2011, 4:56 PM
Not so much a complaint as a comment; I've traded with Manaphyfan before, and not only has he been reliable and honest in both of the trades we had, he's been outright generous in them. Just saying :P

Abstinence Pistols
21st April 2011, 1:40 AM
*sigh*

Well, I'm always one of those people who always put fodder in first if it's multiple for one of my pokemons type of trade though, especially if another person is the one who come at me for it first. That way, I can be sure that that person isn't going to scam me sure, and won't have to come back and accusing one another in a BL thread like this. If that person refused to trade for fodder first, cancel the whole deal. Chance is, he's trying to steal your pokemon, since tbh, there's no real reason to deny the fodder since you'll be getting it anyway. But again, that's if you're 100% sure you'll never run away from trades either. Just take note of that for next time then.

Even though you both are accusing each other like this, tbh, neither of you have any real proof that that person is a scammer. All I see is you both punching back and forth at one another. Neither of you give any kind of proof like with sabconth, so I can't really put in anything into this, so...-.-"

Agreed on this one, but I'm leaning toward mike since manaphy has been a dick on the forums as well. Mike, providing snapshots of the actual conversation (since nothin personal, but for all I know you could have just made that up) and the pokemon he did give you would bolster your argument.

SkittyOnWailord
21st April 2011, 11:56 AM
Dude i owe u nth , i gave u aready wtf -.-

First off, stop posting in chat speak. It's very annoying to read your posts and you will end of with an infraction if you keep it up. This forum is not a chat room, at least try and post with real words.


Agreed on this one, but I'm leaning toward mike since manaphy has been a dick on the forums as well. Mike, providing snapshots of the actual conversation (since nothin personal, but for all I know you could have just made that up) and the pokemon he did give you would bolster your argument.

This. I would need more proof from either of you two before I can do anything.

mike0811
21st April 2011, 12:35 PM
ok il post the screen shots in a second am i showing you the conversation from screen shots ? and in honesty i have nothing to gain from this do i ? im not asking for anything other than what im owed and i have my own shiny charizard i wanted the other mainly for trading and comparing to my own when it reaches lvl 100 but il post the screens in a few minutes

mike0811
21st April 2011, 12:45 PM
here we go the first half is before he scammed me and the ones with fine.... are after he didnt come back in after leaving
if theres anything more of the screen shots you need to see let me know i dont mind i have nothing to hide here ive been scammed by this guy and hes walking away with it by lying his *** off the very fact he tried to get someone elses darkrai after and then even stated hes not giving me my charizard in the pm's should provide you with what you need but if you do need more then ok

http://img852.imageshack.us/i/outlook1.png/
http://img828.imageshack.us/i/outlook2.png/

manaphyfan
21st April 2011, 1:37 PM
yup i had some internet connections and i told u why , and later i went in and traded with u , u can check with every one else i traded with , and ask if i scam.
Oh yes , mike why are u giving it half done? Heres a full : http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x361/JasonAkaZeno/untitled.jpg

mike0811
21st April 2011, 1:54 PM
wow you really screwed up there now manaphy look at your sig i have taken a screen shot of it now in case you decide to change it after this but look above idiot i have our entire conversation posted at no point do i ask for it to be ev'd you have just shown them all your lying through your teeth and making **** up thanks for the last bit of obvious evidence i needed to make sure you get caught for this =D thank god for stupid people

manaphyfan
21st April 2011, 2:09 PM
Well , look dude , if ur making up stories that i were scamming you , i could make up another story for u.

mike0811
21st April 2011, 2:14 PM
lol feel free i have no interest in continuing the talking with you im just waiting for skitty to come back and see the evidence i provided and make sure you get what you deserve for scamming

manaphyfan
21st April 2011, 2:20 PM
Go on , im getting all my previous successful 2 on 1 trade partner to come and post if i scam. And if they did , it would lower my chances of getting accused
SkittyOnWailord : Sorry there...

mike0811
21st April 2011, 2:22 PM
thats fine get as many as you like it doesnt mean a thing does it i could scam 1 person and not scam 100 other it doesnt mean i didnt scam that 1 person does it ? have fun with that anyway

Sabconth
21st April 2011, 2:31 PM
yup i had some internet connections and i told u why , and later i went in and traded with u , u can check with every one else i traded with , and ask if i scam.
Oh yes , mike why are u giving it half done? Heres a full : http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x361/JasonAkaZeno/untitled.jpg

Those extra 2 messages don't seem to change anything, at all.

Also, I didn't report manaphyfan, I merely responded to his accusations and provided proof that he did indeed act out of line.

It really doesn't make any sense why a long time member like manaphyfan would start scamming now, but that's just me.

EDIT: I notice that there's a huge gap in messaging before you trade and after the trade goes sour.
Serebii was having some server issues less than a week ago, it's possible that some correspondence was simply unsent and resulted in a case of lost in translation between you two.

manaphyfan
21st April 2011, 2:34 PM
If i were to scam u for a little pokemon , why not i scam others? I have alot more pokemon that are more rare than shiny charizard. I have been trading 2 pokemon worth more than a shiny charizard for 1 pokemon , if i were to scam , which would i scam? You with a charizard which i cared nothing about as i dont collect shinys? Or i would scam better stuff?

mike0811
21st April 2011, 2:48 PM
lol so if were going by that then why would i care ? if you have given me the charizard and haxorus why would i go through all this effort ? what do i gain from any of this ? ... oh thats rite nothing if it were the case you had actually traded me them both you could say il give you darkrai back then just give me my pokemon back but you havent and i have no idea why he decided to scam me now he claimed he was having connection problems after ignoring me and then i still sat there waiting i offered to take down the comments and sig as soon as he completeled the deal but he refused ive not asked at any point for the pokemon to be ev'd ive not said he scams everyone but he did scam me and im making sure that its known he scammed me out of a 2 for 1 deal like i said im leaving it up to the mods now ive provided all the evidence that i have and im not struggling for shinies or events myself feel free to check this is about getting a childish person to admit he scammed me and pay the consequences i dont care if he gets a warning or just muted for a day as long as they do something about it if it goes no where well it will just show me how flawed this trade forum is if people can do stuff like this and get away with saying no i didnt a plainly lie over and over anyone with a brain can see hes already made up plenty of crap and admitted to making it up its not for me or anyone other than the mods to decide what to do next but seriously just because hes a long a time member should not change a dam thing people have already posted about how his behaviour is and what hes like he may not scam everyone but he sure is a pissy little brat who likes to get his own way i dont even care if hes not forced to give me the charizard as long as something is done about this its ridiculous its even gone on this long

Jar-of-Jelly
21st April 2011, 3:05 PM
No offense to either of you but it's really hard to get a straight judgement on this story with the way you type.

Also, I just see manaphyfan as a harasser. And by reading your sig I don't see any evidence at all that Mike was whining about the Charizard not being EV'd. This seems like a lot of made up stories.

acebreeder13
21st April 2011, 3:24 PM
From what I understand they traded hacorus for darkrai and were supposed to trade fodder for charizard but manaphyfan backed out before they traded fodder for charizard, it's as simple as that, so manaphy fan just needs to trade him charizard for fodder and it's resolved

manaphyfan
21st April 2011, 3:38 PM
i said aready , he made up stories about me scamming , imma make up stories back.
And i aready traded him my charizard how can i trade him again? i only have 1 and i dont collect shinys as i aready gave up my shiny team plan

Sabconth
21st April 2011, 3:41 PM
i said aready , he made up stories about me scamming , imma make up stories back.
And i aready traded him my charizard how can i trade him again? i only have 1 and i dont collect shinys as i aready gave up my shiny team plan


If you are telling the truth and believe you've done nothing wrong, threatening to "make up stories" in retaliation sounds incredibly foolish.

It would kill your credibility in this matter.

manaphyfan
21st April 2011, 4:02 PM
Well , he too did make up storys so why cant i?

Sabconth
21st April 2011, 4:11 PM
Well , he too did make up storys so why cant i?


Because it would be immature and wrong.

It won't help you one bit.

Is it possible you traded him the charizard, the connection cut out and the pokemon was lost?

That would explain why neither of you have it.

manaphyfan
21st April 2011, 4:21 PM
Ok lemme brief this : i gone in trading wih him and i notice my haxorus and charizard had item on so i went out and remove it and wen in and put both pokemon there to proof that i had both which i normally does when i trade so he choosen to trade haxorus first so it done but when it was transfering i notice my internet was weak as u can see from the time which i took like 5min to reply 1message and then when we were going back to the select pokemon mode i dc and ictold him i had weak connection as i refresh message was long and then when i go in we traded too and on the same page after we done i switch off my ds which i normally does as i was lazy to slowly go out but normally it was sucessful or should i say work all the time

Sabconth
21st April 2011, 4:41 PM
Ok lemme brief this : i gone in trading wih him and i notice my haxorus and charizard had item on so i went out and remove it and wen in and put both pokemon there to proof that i had both which i normally does when i trade so he choosen to trade haxorus first so it done but when it was transfering i notice my internet was weak as u can see from the time which i took like 5min to reply 1message and then when we were going back to the select pokemon mode i dc and ictold him i had weak connection as i refresh message was long and then when i go in we traded too and on the same page after we done i switch off my ds which i normally does as i was lazy to slowly go out but normally it was sucessful or should i say work all the time


Right.

Sounds to me like it's very possible chaizard either went MIA during the trade due to bad connection.

or, when you traded the charizard and shut off your ds so quickly, the trade may not have been registered fully.

That's all i can think of.

manaphyfan
21st April 2011, 4:50 PM
Anyway i have to go aleep as its almost 12am as u see i stay in singapore , bye see u all 6-8hours later

SkittyOnWailord
24th April 2011, 2:28 PM
Ok lemme brief this : i gone in trading wih him and i notice my haxorus and charizard had item on so i went out and remove it and wen in and put both pokemon there to proof that i had both which i normally does when i trade so he choosen to trade haxorus first so it done but when it was transfering i notice my internet was weak as u can see from the time which i took like 5min to reply 1message and then when we were going back to the select pokemon mode i dc and ictold him i had weak connection as i refresh message was long and then when i go in we traded too and on the same page after we done i switch off my ds which i normally does as i was lazy to slowly go out but normally it was sucessful or should i say work all the time

Ok, so you're saying that your internet connection is bad and you might have turned off your DS before it finished saving? It sounds to me like you doing those things might have cloned the garbage Pokemon and erased the Charizard (which happened to me once in D/P when the other person's internet cut out).
Can both of you tell me what the garbage Pokemon you were trading for the Charizard was? Because if you both have the same garbage Pokemon then that's what happened and this whole mess can be figured out quickly.

manaphyfan
24th April 2011, 2:30 PM
what u mean garbage pokemon? i dont really get u stright

Abstinence Pistols
24th April 2011, 2:41 PM
what u mean garbage pokemon? i dont really get u stright

She means the pokemon you DID trade. You said Darkrai for haxorus, then garbage for charizard. Let's say you DID trade, but the internet cut out. That would mean that if you both have the garbage pokemon but no charizard, it got cloned, but the charizard is lost.

SkittyOnWailord
24th April 2011, 2:56 PM
She means the pokemon you DID trade. You said Darkrai for haxorus, then garbage for charizard. Let's say you DID trade, but the internet cut out. That would mean that if you both have the garbage pokemon but no charizard, it got cloned, but the charizard is lost.

I'm a guy. ;) And yes, that was my question. Your trade was

Darkrai for Haxorus and
*Something* for Charizard

What exactly was that something?

Abstinence Pistols
24th April 2011, 2:59 PM
I'm a guy. ;) And yes, that was my question. Your trade was

Darkrai for Haxorus and
*Something* for Charizard

What exactly was that something?

oops... D:

SkittyOnWailord
24th April 2011, 3:00 PM
oops... D:

No problem. :)

Soulzityr
24th April 2011, 3:59 PM
Hey, is there an actual LIST we can see so before we make our trades we can check if they're on the banlist or is checking sigs the only way?

PersianStrike
24th April 2011, 4:26 PM
I would like to Report: lalasiny
his FC is:4212 3252 0766
What happened was:
he had 6 event pokemon that I wanted. I had some legendaries that he wanted. I traded him my 6 legendaries for his 6 events. Only to find out his events are hacked. They are Japanese events with english names. I have already checked at the hack check thread that they are hacked. He refused to trade me back after i explained to him that they are hacked and why.
For evidence i have:
all 6 pokemon and i have kept the PMs and i have reported them

mike0811
24th April 2011, 5:53 PM
no he didnt trade as in not even got to the point where we traded he put charizard up then went to the next screen and then just left he knows i didnt recive the charizard and he knows he didnt even try trade it hes backed himself into a corner now by lying and is desperately trying to cover his *** but either way the junk poke i put up for trade was foongus lvl 20 its still in my box because it never even got the chance to be taken up i put it up and he put charizard up then he went off and well you know the rest by now

Excitable Boy
24th April 2011, 7:47 PM
Just so you know, manaphyfan has just offered me a shiny Charizard (as collateral while he borrows a Tornadus).

While I don't normally participate in drama-infested shitstorms like this, I feel as though this piece of information may be important. If necessary, I can report the PM (though I have not yet).

mike0811
24th April 2011, 8:13 PM
ah rite thanks thats actually really going to help my case here =D thank you

Vest
24th April 2011, 9:38 PM
Just so you know, manaphyfan has just offered me a shiny Charizard (as collateral while he borrows a Tornadus).

While I don't normally participate in drama-infested shitstorms like this, I feel as though this piece of information may be important. If necessary, I can report the PM (though I have not yet).

Well that just proves everything Mike has said, therefore Manaphyfan is a scammer and if he doesn't get banned then I will lose all faith in mods considering they ban people for just calling them names...

Abstinence Pistols
25th April 2011, 12:00 AM
Just so you know, manaphyfan has just offered me a shiny Charizard (as collateral while he borrows a Tornadus).

While I don't normally participate in drama-infested shitstorms like this, I feel as though this piece of information may be important. If necessary, I can report the PM (though I have not yet).

Thank god, sir. You have just helped end this useless crap that has eaten over a page of the thread. Well frickin' done.

pressureflood
25th April 2011, 12:05 AM
I'm not trying to support manaphyfan or anything, but I think that we're concentrating too much on him. This argument started on page 2, and now it's already on page five. Meanwhile, the last posts have focused on him, overlooking PersianStrike's post, where he lost six legendaries to a hacker. Six. Meanwhile, only one event Pokemon was lost in the manaphyfan trade. I think that we should just settle this peacefully and quickly instead of clogging up this thread and ignoring other users' problems. Just stating my opinion...

Abstinence Pistols
25th April 2011, 12:08 AM
I'm not trying to support manaphyfan or anything, but I think that we're concentrating too much on him. This argument started on page 2, and now it's already on page four. Meanwhile, the last posts have focused on him, overlooking PersianStrike's post, where he lost six legendaries to a hacker. Six. Meanwhile, only one event Pokemon was lost in the manaphyfan trade. I think that we should just settle this peacefully and quickly instead of clogging up this thread and ignoring other users' problems. Just stating my opinion...

I saw that, and I think that the shitbag responsible should be blacklisted. I'm only taking a side on the manaphyfan discussion because he's been an *** and is denying it even when the odds are stacked against him miles high, and that is a pissy thing to do, especially when it eats up over a page. I'm all with you for just ending it, but it can't until manaphyfan comes out with it.

mike0811
25th April 2011, 12:12 AM
seriously for the last time look this isnt about a connection problem if he had disconnected during the trade id have been fine with waiting he realised after he got drakrai that he didnt need to give me both for it and turned it off he showed the charizard on trade then after a few seconds quit he didnt send anything i waited for him to reply then after waiting i sent a pm telling him i was adding to this all he had to do was give me the charizard is all i asked since he didnt he scammed me and now on principle that he started lying hes got himself stuck and is probably worried about getting banned like i said all i want is to see it resolved now and thats what this forum is for is it not solving problems like this it shouldnt matter how long it goes on for im just saying is all =D hope this finally gets resolved soon

manaphyfan
25th April 2011, 8:56 AM
Look , i can have 2 charizard , as i have 2 arceus and darkrai. Does that means i scam if i trade 1 arceus for another? Dude grow up im a pokemon collector and i collect rare pokemons , pokemon from other places example : Kanto and stuff , and mike , u saw the charizard is 100 rite? if a person is lending me , ask him if the charizard is at 50.


I saw that, and I think that the shitbag responsible should be blacklisted. I'm only taking a side on the manaphyfan discussion because he's been an *** and is denying it even when the odds are stacked against him miles high, and that is a pissy thing to do, especially when it eats up over a page. I'm all with you for just ending it, but it can't until manaphyfan comes out with it.

Dude if u dont wanna get it over 2 pages than get u *** off , ur not providing evidence so what u wanna do here? Don't blame on me , im only 1 people and i can stop if u all wanna post some crap here. Get ur *** off if u dont wanna stacked up , i know i have no rights to call u get lost but , ur blaming on me that ur also helping to stack up all the post? See for urself , ur posting AT LEAST 2 at each page , while other RELEVANT people should , ur not providing any evidence nor anything and ur also helping to stack up by non-relevant post here. Not giving evidence nor involved in the trade , why would u want to do here? Stacking up post to become the serebii number 1 extra crap trophy?

SkittyOnWailord
25th April 2011, 11:31 AM
I would like to Report: lalasiny
his FC is:4212 3252 0766
What happened was:
he had 6 event pokemon that I wanted. I had some legendaries that he wanted. I traded him my 6 legendaries for his 6 events. Only to find out his events are hacked. They are Japanese events with english names. I have already checked at the hack check thread that they are hacked. He refused to trade me back after i explained to him that they are hacked and why.
For evidence i have:
all 6 pokemon and i have kept the PMs and i have reported them

I just sent a VM to lalasiny asking them to post their side of the story in this thread.

bobandbill
25th April 2011, 1:29 PM
I see some swearing has already been infracted, jolly good.

Anyways from how I see it, manaphyman you've some 'evidence' to give yourself given so fasr your behaviour involves swearing at others and saying 'oh I'll make up stories if he is' as well as saying you have 2 of each Pokemon (without showing us proof of that). If that continues I'll just assume you're in the wrong because nobody who is innocent has any need to act like so.

At any rate from my quick glance at the million quotes and shouting and run-on sentences, the situation claimed by mike0811 is:

- it was agreed between the two of you to trade a Darkrai (mike's) and an extra filler Pokemon for a shiny Haxorus and Charizard
- Mike got the shiny Haxorus but not the charizard and said that manaphyfan left the wifi room/trade instead of trying to trade the Charizard

And manaphyfan are you claiming that you tried to trade it but it got lost? (Please correct if wrong).

Now, looking at posts, I see a contradiction - firstly a page back:

i said aready , he made up stories about me scamming , imma make up stories back.
And i aready traded him my charizard how can i trade him again? i only have 1 and i dont collect shinys as i aready gave up my shiny team plan
And now:

Look , i can have 2 charizard , as i have 2 arceus and darkrai. Does that means i scam if i trade 1 arceus for another?
It seems to me that you are changing the facts to suit yourself. I'll give you a chance to reply first but...yeah, it's looking like there's only one outcome to me at this stage. Alternatively if you do have two (or one or whatnot) just give the Pokemon to mike because at this stage I'm not buying that is is lost due to you swearing and making up stories and lying at least once.

a person, I'll also VM you but a copy of that PM would be nice (report + forward please for the sake of convenience).

As a note - please paragraph, people - making a wall of text hurts the eyes and makes it hard to understand anything, especially if there is a lack of grammar being used as well. Otherwise how can we judge on what is going on if we cannot make head nor tail of it?

manaphyfan
25th April 2011, 2:05 PM
Sorry but would u take a look at the date? I can trade as many as 5 pokemon a day if im active.


Agreed on this one, but I'm leaning toward mike since manaphy has been a dick on the forums as well. Mike, providing snapshots of the actual conversation (since nothin personal, but for all I know you could have just made that up) and the pokemon he did give you would bolster your argument.

If im swearing than hes using vulgarities. Although it may mean other stuff but it sounds offensive enough.

bobandbill
25th April 2011, 2:21 PM
Doesn't give you the right to swear at others.

And you could have said 'oh I got a new shiny Charizard (or two) since then' - yet you did not. And given this change in number of Pokemon you have (from 1 to 0...to 2?) only happens to convenience you... but if you have gotten it from elsewhere, mind showing evidence of who gave it to you and when? Besides, whether you 'can' trade 5 Pokemon a day or not doesn't mean you did as far as I am concerned. Again - evidence please.

Never mind you can still just give him what he wanted now if you have 2 of them....

manaphyfan
25th April 2011, 2:26 PM
Dude i only have one now , read.

"i said aready , he made up stories about me scamming , imma make up stories back.
And i aready traded him my charizard how can i trade him again? i only have 1 and i dont collect shinys as i aready gave up my shiny team plan "

i given him 1 and

"Look , i can have 2 charizard , as i have 2 arceus and darkrai. Does that means i scam if i trade 1 arceus for another? "

I CAN have does not mean i HAVE

Example : Hey i can have my deoxys by next week :D (Can have does not mean i ALREADY have)

bobandbill
25th April 2011, 2:31 PM
Dude i only have one now So then where did you get that 'one' from? Still a case of apparently going from 1 to 0 to 1. Again with proof - it seems to me you are avoiding the question.

SkittyOnWailord
25th April 2011, 2:33 PM
Dude i only have one now , read.

"i said aready , he made up stories about me scamming , imma make up stories back.
And i aready traded him my charizard how can i trade him again? i only have 1 and i dont collect shinys as i aready gave up my shiny team plan "

i given him 1 and

"Look , i can have 2 charizard , as i have 2 arceus and darkrai. Does that means i scam if i trade 1 arceus for another? "

I CAN have does not mean i HAVE

Example : Hey i can have my deoxys by next week :D (Can have does not mean i ALREADY have)

So if you are saying that you only have one Charizard right now, then why did you make such a big deal about being able to trade for more than one 30 minutes ago in this post?


Sorry but would u take a look at the date? I can trade as many as 5 pokemon a day if im active.



If im swearing than hes using vulgarities. Although it may mean other stuff but it sounds offensive enough.

mike0811
25th April 2011, 2:53 PM
like i said all he does is lie and act like a child i have nothing to gain at all from this so why would i go through so much to see he gets seen for it ? because its the truth he scammed me and is changing facts to suit himself look back he even tells me he wont give me the charizard now because i posted and then later he claims he gave it me does anyone else see the hole in that story ? -.- please please stop spamming crap now manphy and take the blame you have been caught out at least 3 times over now stop making things worse im sure if you had just given the charizard to me instead of acting like this the most you would have gotten was a warning but now your lying to mods and claming im a scammer by claiming on your sig i got pissed because you didnt give me ev'd trained pokemon i still have the screenshot of your comment if skitty needs that eviedance too and sooooo many people have sent me pm's stating your just a pardon the language here guys but *** hole and you are your a childish pathetic scammer whos been caught out and is now terrified he has been caught all over a shiny charizard that you refused to give up after i in good will gave you darkrai first because i didnt want you to think i was going to do what you did (ironic no ? =/) anyway yeah skitty i trust in your judgement on this and i hope you can see clearly how i have nothing to gain from this nothing at all and all im after here is a result in the form of manphy getting what ever actions are necessary for a scammer on this site

bobandbill
25th April 2011, 2:58 PM
^As mentioned before, please take the time to make paragraphs and implement grammar as it is truly hard to read it all without having to reread parts and so forth. Only takes a bit of time and it makes a large difference.

manaphyfan
25th April 2011, 3:00 PM
like i said all he does is lie and act like a child i have nothing to gain at all from this so why would i go through so much to see he gets seen for it ? because its the truth he scammed me and is changing facts to suit himself look back he even tells me he wont give me the charizard now because i posted and then later he claims he gave it me does anyone else see the hole in that story ? -.- please please stop spamming crap now manphy and take the blame you have been caught out at least 3 times over now stop making things worse im sure if you had just given the charizard to me instead of acting like this the most you would have gotten was a warning but now your lying to mods and claming im a scammer by claiming on your sig i got pissed because you didnt give me ev'd trained pokemon i still have the screenshot of your comment if skitty needs that eviedance too and sooooo many people have sent me pm's stating your just a pardon the language here guys but *** hole and you are your a childish pathetic scammer whos been caught out and is now terrified he has been caught all over a shiny charizard that you refused to give up after i in good will gave you darkrai first because i didnt want you to think i was going to do what you did (ironic no ? =/) anyway yeah skitty i trust in your judgement on this and i hope you can see clearly how i have nothing to gain from this nothing at all and all im after here is a result in the form of manphy getting what ever actions are necessary for a scammer on this site

Well u actually can gain things , if u can successfully accused me as a scammer , u could actually gain 2 charizard , 1 from last time i traded and 1 from now because u might have the chance to successfully so call "Brain Wash" or something the mod and think that i scammed u they can get me to GIVE u ANOTHER charizard which is not according to the deal.


So then where did you get that 'one' from? Still a case of apparently going from 1 to 0 to 1. Again with proof - it seems to me you are avoiding the question.

Obviously i get them from trading? And i dint say it was not 1 to 0 to 1 , its only u convinced to urself that u THINK that it is from 1 to 0 to 2 but the fact is its 1 to 0 to 1. And what Evidence u wanted me to give? I don't keep SUCCESS'ED message as they are flooding , As u see im sending message and hes replying and we only got 200 space so they can be pretty quickly used up. Normally it took me 2-3 Days to finish up all the EMPTY inbox.


So if you are saying that you only have one Charizard right now, then why did you make such a big deal about being able to trade for more than one 30 minutes ago in this post?

Because Look.


And you could have said 'oh I got a new shiny Charizard (or two) since then' - yet you did not. And given this change in number of Pokemon you have (from 1 to 0...to 2?) only happens to convenience you... but if you have gotten it from elsewhere, mind showing evidence of who gave it to you and when? Besides, whether you 'can' trade 5 Pokemon a day or not doesn't mean you did as far as I am concerned. Again - evidence please.

Since he told me to give some EXTRA infomation , so i did , as i dont want to be caught not GIVING extra infomation again.

Now if u excuse me , i have a life to live , and now im going to sleep.

bobandbill
25th April 2011, 3:21 PM
Obviously i get them from trading? No, it is not obvious. Show PMs/VMs/something that proves that you got it from trading and not that it was the original one. Continue to avoid my request for proof of this and I'll have no choice but to decide that you scammed becaused you're making things up and you'll get put on the blacklist. This is your last chance. If you don't have any proof than that is bad luck - I cannot believe that you filled up your PM box so quickly (or VMs which do not fill up). You can at least provide the name of the member who gave you the Pokemon and they can verify the fact which is certainly possible for you to do. Thus far though all you have done is said 'you could have had more than two' (which is just misleading and lying) and failed to even mentioned how you've gotten your other Charizard or from who. However should 'a person' provide the proof that you wanted to trade him a shiny charizard (and tbh I have little reason to doubt him)

At any rate my point is that you went from having one to having none apparently because it 'got lost' during the trade (which is unlikely at best).

In short - any messages you have of this trade of this other Charizard you got, who gave you the Pokemon, etc - not avoiding the matter. Last chance.

mike0811
25th April 2011, 4:33 PM
ummm i think you will find i have said i dont care about getting the charizard. I have said that I want this matter resolved they cant force you to trade me even if they said that you had to you will just lie again and say you traded it me now.

As for excusing you to live your life if it involves acting like a child and lying through your teeth in the face of overwhelming evidence your welcome to live it just try grow up a little please.

Lucario0708
25th April 2011, 7:07 PM
If I may cut in for some help?

I say, manaphyfan, just GIVE HIM 1 charizard, its as simple as that, you can end it now, as you said before you do at least 5 trades a day so what's stopping you from just trading for another one?

besides, the odds are CLEARLY stacked against you and you are put in a corner that you can't escape from, if you want to "live your life" then GIVE him the charizard and END it

mike0811
26th April 2011, 12:51 AM
this totally goes against my own point now but this is a blacklist forum and there are what 3-4 people with actual things to get sorted the rest is people moaning this is going on simple solution people stop reading it none of this concerns anyone but the people involved and mods im not being a dick but im waiting for this to get resolved and having to look at all this crap about it going on for ages and stuff im sure its even annoying the mods that people are posting stuff that has nothing to do with anything =/ just saying go to the general chat forums if you want to ***** about people

bobandbill
26th April 2011, 2:57 AM
Guys, if something doesn't concern you here then please don't comment on it here, nor go linking to youtube videos or so forth - it's just spam.

manaphyfan
26th April 2011, 7:25 AM
If I may cut in for some help?

I say, manaphyfan, just GIVE HIM 1 charizard, its as simple as that, you can end it now, as you said before you do at least 5 trades a day so what's stopping you from just trading for another one?

besides, the odds are CLEARLY stacked against you and you are put in a corner that you can't escape from, if you want to "live your life" then GIVE him the charizard and END it

Have u ever heard of "Theres no free lunch in the world" im not giving a scammer something NOR giving him a second Charizard.


No, it is not obvious. Show PMs/VMs/something that proves that you got it from trading and not that it was the original one. Continue to avoid my request for proof of this and I'll have no choice but to decide that you scammed becaused you're making things up and you'll get put on the blacklist. This is your last chance. If you don't have any proof than that is bad luck - I cannot believe that you filled up your PM box so quickly (or VMs which do not fill up). You can at least provide the name of the member who gave you the Pokemon and they can verify the fact which is certainly possible for you to do. Thus far though all you have done is said 'you could have had more than two' (which is just misleading and lying) and failed to even mentioned how you've gotten your other Charizard or from who. However should 'a person' provide the proof that you wanted to trade him a shiny charizard (and tbh I have little reason to doubt him)

At any rate my point is that you went from having one to having none apparently because it 'got lost' during the trade (which is unlikely at best).

In short - any messages you have of this trade of this other Charizard you got, who gave you the Pokemon, etc - not avoiding the matter. Last chance.

READ CAREFULLY EVERY WORD.


Obviously i get them from trading? And i dint say it was not 1 to 0 to 1 , its only u convinced to urself that u THINK that it is from 1 to 0 to 2 but the fact is its 1 to 0 to 1. And what Evidence u wanted me to give? I don't keep SUCCESS'ED message as they are flooding , As u see im sending message and hes replying and we only got 200 space so they can be pretty quickly used up. Normally it took me 2-3 Days to finish up all the EMPTY inbox.

I Stated that i delete every single SUCCESS'ED trade's Message every time i finish them , as there are only 200 space for message including (Sent/Receive)


ummm i think you will find i have said i dont care about getting the charizard. I have said that I want this matter resolved they cant force you to trade me even if they said that you had to you will just lie again and say you traded it me now.

As for excusing you to live your life if it involves acting like a child and lying through your teeth in the face of overwhelming evidence your welcome to live it just try grow up a little please.

Tell that to yourself , and if u have SOLID evidence like VIDEO or stuff , don't accuse me of scamming. If i were a scammer i would be banned/Blacklisted years/months ago.

bobandbill
26th April 2011, 7:55 AM
Mind you if these are deleted VMs mods can still see them. But if you have no proof at all...

Actually screw that, I did say that was the last chance and all you say is lol I deleted them' and refuse to even say who gave you that other charizard, instead choosing to act all high and mighty for some rason and selecting stuff said out of context and not for the first time in this thread.

In the face of overwhelming support against you (logs from the time suggesting you left the chat, you making up stories instead of being clear and saying what happened, you saying you lost your Charizard and then caught offering one to someone else and refusing to say who you traded with and that you 'deleted messages' (which I find hard to believe), and refusal to give the charizard to mike), you can say welcome to the banlist. That's more than enough support against you tbh, and given how you have acted throughout this thread... Apparently you didn't read every word carefully at any rate - I said even saying who you traded with would possibly do but apparently you just wanted to retort instead.

mike0811
26th April 2011, 1:10 PM
thank you glad this has been resolved

Abstinence Pistols
26th April 2011, 11:41 PM
Thank god this crap is finished. Long live justice.

Matt36
27th April 2011, 11:39 PM
This made hilarious reading! xD

Panbobo
29th April 2011, 2:02 AM
I retire what i said

RiseOfZekrom
30th April 2011, 3:16 AM
Can I report someone if they knowingly traded me hacks w/o telling me first?

Khybon
30th April 2011, 3:19 AM
^ Yes thats what hte point of this thread is for ^_^

RiseOfZekrom
30th April 2011, 3:22 AM
So the person was the OT of both pokemon, and both were caught at a random route at level 1. Is that a bannable offence?

Also he acted like he didn't even know after I informed him.

Ju-da-su
30th April 2011, 3:59 AM
So the person was the OT of both pokemon, and both were caught at a random route at level 1. Is that a bannable offence?

Also he acted like he didn't even know after I informed him.

If it's caught, it might be something worth enough to get that person blacklisted UNLESS he or she used PokeGen somewhere along the line while having those eggs before the hatched, possibly for cloning. Go ask that person if he or she used PokeGen for anything while those pokes are still eggs. That stupid program screw the egg data even if you didn't do anything to the eggs...Just saying... .-.

ImmatureSponge
30th April 2011, 5:20 AM
So the person was the OT of both pokemon, and both were caught at a random route at level 1. Is that a bannable offence?

Also he acted like he didn't even know after I informed him.

Could it be maybe they were hatched from eggs? That would explain it.

RiseOfZekrom
30th April 2011, 12:14 PM
Could it be maybe they were hatched from eggs? That would explain it.

No lol, I can tell the difference.

Guywhoiam
30th April 2011, 7:20 PM
No lol, I can tell the difference.

Well, what Pokemon were they?

RiseOfZekrom
30th April 2011, 10:50 PM
A shiny Chandelure and a shiny Ferrothorn from oa1bo

Guywhoiam
30th April 2011, 11:31 PM
A shiny Chandelure and a shiny Ferrothorn from oa1bo

Did you take them by the Hack-Check Thread? I would do that, and if you already have, then I'll get out of your way and let you conduct your business here.

-Shadow!
30th April 2011, 11:44 PM
A shiny Chandelure and a shiny Ferrothorn from oa1bo

LOL same for me guy, his Skarmory is ok, it has the "Day-Care" mark. But his Shiny Chandelure and Ferrothorn are caught at Route 3 at Level 1... they are surely legit-hacks '-'

KiwiDude
1st May 2011, 7:06 AM
-Matter resolved-
I PM'd dragonmaster the exact same thing that I posted here...
that's an hour that'll never come back *sigh*

and next time use proper syntax, dragonmaster

Ju-da-su
1st May 2011, 4:43 PM
If it's caught, it might be something worth enough to get that person blacklisted UNLESS he or she used PokeGen somewhere along the line while having those eggs before the hatched, possibly for cloning. Go ask that person if he or she used PokeGen for anything while those pokes are still eggs. That stupid program screw the egg data even if you didn't do anything to the eggs...Just saying... .-.

Since I think you guys miss my reply. Ask oa1bo if he used PokeGen for anything while having those guys as eggs. I've seen reliable traders who have that kind of messed up data from hatched pokemon (Apparently met at level 1 at <somewhere that isn't the Daycare>) before, so...:S

Arbalest
2nd May 2011, 4:41 AM
Confirming user oA1bo hacks, he tried to trade me a lvl 8 DW finneon and lvl 9 DW relicanth caught in masterballs, I canceled the trade once I confirmed they had DW abilities so I don't have the pokemon but have reported the PMs where he tries to deny that they are hacked and later throws a fit.

-Unicorno-
2nd May 2011, 12:47 PM
that's definitely a hack as DW pokemon are above lev. 10 and caught in any ball and Bred are any level but caught in a pokeball.

Caityluu
3rd May 2011, 8:11 PM
that's definitely a hack as DW pokemon are above lev. 10 and caught in any ball and Bred are any level but caught in a pokeball.

Staravia comes as level 12 or so.

Caityluu
3rd May 2011, 8:12 PM
Confirming user oA1bo hacks, he tried to trade me a lvl 8 DW finneon and lvl 9 DW relicanth caught in masterballs, I canceled the trade once I confirmed they had DW abilities so I don't have the pokemon but have reported the PMs where he tries to deny that they are hacked and later throws a fit.

Adding to what I said above, he traded me a level 14 Relicanth (which is not an evolved form thus cannot be higher than level 10 from dw) from Nuvema city in a dive ball. So yeah, he hacks.

Ju-da-su
3rd May 2011, 8:52 PM
Staravia comes as level 12 or so.

What does that have anything to do with this? I mean, I don't see why is it not possible. I thought even DW Staravia, if forest caught, will be at level 10, so I don't really see anything wrong with level 12 forest caught Staravia...unless it really was caught at level 12 ("Apparently met at level 12")


Adding to what I said above, he traded me a level 14 Relicanth (which is not an evolved form thus cannot be higher than level 10 from dw) from Nuvema city in a dive ball. So yeah, he hacks.

That one is clearly hacked but not from the level or anything though. It's obtained in Nuvema and in Dive Ball, which is already enough for it to be considered as hacked. :S

-Unicorno-
3rd May 2011, 9:20 PM
he meant that when you get it in the DW its level 10, i think.

Caityluu
3rd May 2011, 9:23 PM
What does that have anything to do with this? I mean, I don't see why is it not possible. I thought even DW Staravia, if forest caught, will be at level 10, so I don't really see anything wrong with level 12 forest caught Staravia...unless it really was caught at level 12 ("Apparently met at level 12")

I obtained my Staravia at level 12.

zeroman987
4th May 2011, 4:10 AM
Username of Scammer: Ang3l
In-Game Name: Angel
Friend Code: 1377 - 7731 - 2864
What happened:
At the time of the fateful encounter Celebi event, I had two Pokemon carts, one HG and one Plat, so I got two event Celebi. I used one of the Celebi in my White game and unlocked Zorua. I kept the other one so that I could trade it for other event Pokemon.

I saw a message in the event trading thread. The person was looking for an unused Celebi in Pokemon B/W. The user name was Ang3l. I left the following message on the profile:
"I have an unused Celebi. I got two during the event - one for my plat and one for my HG game. I am willing to trade it.

I need the following Pokemon: Deoxys; Mew

Send me a PM if you are interested."

ang3l sent me a PM and we worked out a deal. She would trade her Deoxys and Mew and I would give her my unused event Celebi. (I reported this PM). I would trade the Celebi for the Mew and then once she used the event pokemon, I would get the Deoxys.

Since she lives in Australia and I live in the US, we had to coordinate a time to make the trade. We chose 630am my time/930pm her time. (I reported this PM) I gave her my friend code. At 630am I logged onto the wifi club. Ang3l was nowhere to be found. It turns out she gave me the wrong friend code. I PM her again, and she messages me back on Sunday night in the US. She gives me her actual friend code and we plan to complete the trade the next day at 630am my time/930pm her time.

So, Monday morning I go to the wifi club. We set up a trade. She places Mew in the trade window and I place Celebi and we consummate the trade. She leaves the wifi room to go activate her Celebi. I look at my newly acquired Mew while I wait and I notice that it was caught in a master ball. I found this strange. Mew should be in one of those strange red balls. I leave the wifi room and look at the Mew again. Under the OT it says "ANGEL". In addition, the Mew has every single ribbon. This leads me to believe it is hacked. I can not PM Ang3l because she told me in PM that she does not have a computer at home so she can not PM me while we are on the wifi. (I reported this PM).

When she returns to the room she puts up the deoxys in trade. In response I put the Mew up in trade and I use the smiley function to make a "sad" face. I notice the deoxys is in a red ball, so I assume that this was a mistake on her part. She did not realize the Mew was hacked (despite having the same name as the OT in the hacked mew - I guess I am a sucker). So I get the Deoxys and send back the hacked Mew. She puts up several other pokemon in trade - one of which was a Shiny Mew in a master ball. I reject the trade and leave the room to check the Deoxys. The Deoxys also has the OT: ANGEL and also has all the ribbons possible and also has a red smiley icon about the "item: none" box.

I promptly PM'd Ang3l with my concerns. (Her response has been reported). She stated that she would trade me back. I was ok with this even though what made the Celebi valuable (the fact it was unused) had been burned. I just wanted my legit pokemon back and I did not want to hold on to a hacked Pokemon. She said she would meet me at 630am today in the wifi club (her response has been reported). I woke up this morning at 630am and went into the wifi club today and she didn't show up. I stayed until 645am.

I have reported the PM's which I have cited in my post and I am willing to go into the wifi club and show any mod or admin who wishes to see the hacked deoxys.

Thank You for listening.

Marcj400
4th May 2011, 5:14 AM
The mew could be legit as you could have caught in firered leafgreen...
The deoxys could be legit as event pokemon

Excitable Boy
4th May 2011, 5:19 AM
The mew could be legit as you could have caught in firered leafgreen...

Um, no.

Mew is only available as an event Pokemon. The only way the Mew could have an OT of the player is if it's caught in Emerald via the Old Sea Chart event. The Deoxys is surely a hack.

Guywhoiam
4th May 2011, 7:36 AM
And doesn't that face above the Item box mean that the Pokemon once had Pokerus and was cured? Because almost everyone of my Pokemon (all legit, as they I caught them myself) has that and they've all had Pokerus before. Or, is there a different face I don't know about?

Excitable Boy
4th May 2011, 7:39 AM
And doesn't that face above the Item box mean that the Pokemon once had Pokerus and was cured? Because almost everyone of my Pokemon (all legit, as they I caught them myself) has that and they've all had Pokerus before. Or, is there a different face I don't know about?

The face means they've had Pokerus.

Guywhoiam
4th May 2011, 7:47 AM
The face means they've had Pokerus.

Ok, thanks. I've just seen many people point that out as sign of a hack.

Lycael
4th May 2011, 9:27 AM
I obtained my Staravia at level 12.

Actually, from what i can see in Black/White Starly evolves at 14, and the Windswept Sky Starivia is at level 10 when you obtain it, or it atleast should be.

dragonmaster890
4th May 2011, 4:46 PM
no i just got Dw Staravia and it is level 14

Matt36
10th May 2011, 4:57 PM
Are we reporting people here for their *****y, bitterness when you say no and they continue to argue and complain you've said?

Some people on here have issues and should learn to accept "No thanks!"...

JinMo92
10th May 2011, 5:06 PM
Note that this blacklist is also for the 4th gen, but there will only be one now to avoid confusion.

Post here if you have been scammed in the trade forums. Remember to provide as much evidence as you possibly can (including screenshots of PMs and such, note that you can use the Report button on a PM to send an exact copy to all mods), so that we can determine if the scam happened.


No, sorry, this thread is only for people who have been scammed.

Matt36
10th May 2011, 5:08 PM
My god! He read the opening page of at least one thread then! :o

I'm honestly sick of people who get upset because I say no and then they cry and try to argue with limited intelligence.

SkittyOnWailord
11th May 2011, 8:37 AM
My god! He read the opening page of at least one thread then! :o

I'm honestly sick of people who get upset because I say no and then they cry and try to argue with limited intelligence.

That's why there's an "Ignore User" option in the User CP. And if they keep posting in your thread then just report them to a mod.

Abstinence Pistols
13th May 2011, 2:13 AM
The mew could be legit as you could have caught in firered leafgreen...
The deoxys could be legit as event pokemon

with all the ribbons possible..? No.

kissa
15th May 2011, 4:11 AM
i dont know if this is a scammed but i felt i have experience an unfair trade

Username of Scammer: WhiteWisper
In-Game Name : David
Friend Code : 4169 3849 7109
What happened:

started when he posted

"Looking for ANY 4th gen jirachi (IN 5TH GEN) that knows Iron Head, Thunder Punch, Ice punch, and Fire Punch. Also looking for the ANOTHER Jirachi that has that moveset but with Body Slam INSTEAD of Iron Head.

Offering any events (DW included), shinies, and max evds and shiny DW pokemon. Request it and I'll either have it or get it within a day!"

in gen 5 event trading thread and i PM him

"hi are you still looking for this?

jirachi with Iron Head, Thunder Punch, Ice punch, and Fire Punch?

i have smr2010 jirachi i got myself in gen 4 and can have it learn those moves through move tutor in my ss..

and i would like dw event turtwig in return if possible

just wanna ask if your interested thanks!"

and he replied

"Yes but I'd like you to battle me with it to prove its legitimacy. Ill do the same with Turtwig."

from then we exchange FCs.. i taught my jirachi with his requested moves and poketransfer him to my gen 5 games.. we had a little trouble finding each other at first but then we manage to see each other for a "test battle" he requested to see my jirachi.. my jirachi and a magicarp vs his turtwig and torchic.. and i wait because he was doing some "video test" not familiar what that is because im not a battler.. anyway he said that video works and awsome.. so i am presumming that whatever test he is doing my jirachi pass.. (anyway i got it myself as i stated to him earlier so its legit)

after that we proceed with trading.. but before i hit my last yes/ok i PM him if he got it himself and what is the ID cause i have other dw turtwig.. he said that its ID is 25150.. i also ask for screen shots maybe i could use this to trade, but anyway the important thing to me is that the the ID of his dw turtwig is not the same with the one i have already have which is ID # 47070, even though he may or maynot really send those screenshots (anyhow he said if i dont what him i could name something else).. so with having a dw turtwig with id 25150 in mind i click yes and trade him..

and viola he didnt trade me the agreed DW turtwig with that ID.. he vm me that he made a mistake if i like to change the turtwig (of course i like to change it cause i already have this one #47070 i have even have evidence that i traded to other trader in another forum and even if i dont have this one this is not what we agreed upon..) then he ask before we trade if we could battle..after our battle he said that he can keep the turtwig and he will trade back my jirachi..

well i ask why.. cause ive done my part in our agreement.. he said that he already traded his turtwig and doesnt have what i want.. if that is the case he stated ealier that i can choose other events and secondly as if as you are not cloning your event and not leaving a clone to yourself after you traded it to someone else..

and as if you cant clone my jirachi before giving it back, a simlpe scam moves.. i am open to trade backs if i trade him a hack jirachi or anypart in our trade that i fooled him..


PS done reporting

edit: after hours of waiting for a valid reason ive decided to give him his turtwig and get my jirachi... even though he is not telling why he is trading back my jirachi.. just god bless to him!

~~> thanks for the advices especially kuya pambihirang nilalang.. just got really pissed because it was my first time to be treated like that.. anyway sorry for the post, just god bless us all ^_^.. labshoe kuya pambi^^

Wrath89
15th May 2011, 4:27 AM
He was referring to the battle video on the Vs. Recorder. If you save a video of a battle that includes a hacked Pokemon, it won't play.

As for the situation, there doesn't seem to be enough proof that he scammed you. He could have cloned the Jirachi or he could have really made a mistake. Since you can't prove that he cloned it and he traded the Jirachi back, there doesn't seem to be anything that can really be held against him.

kissa
15th May 2011, 4:38 AM
He was referring to the battle video on the Vs. Recorder. If you save a video of a battle that includes a hacked Pokemon, it won't play.

As for the situation, there doesn't seem to be enough proof that he scammed you. He could have cloned the Jirachi or he could have really made a mistake. Since you can't prove that he cloned it and he traded the Jirachi back, there doesn't seem to be anything that can really be held against him.

"i dont know if this is a scammed but i felt i have experience an unfair trade"

i see thanks for the explanation.. yeah that is why i specifically noted that i felt that i have an unfair trade.. where i did my share and he didnt

btw eventhough if its a mistake he is denying me to get a replacement and he is trying to give back my jirachi without any valid reason.. i dont have a proof either that he didnt cloned it

DarkStar66
21st May 2011, 6:16 PM
Username of Scammer: Blackacer
In-Game Name: N/A
Friend Code: 1248-8489-7710
What happened:

This occured around 10pm-12am EST on May 20, 2011. The trade agreed upon was Blackacer's Mew Lv 30 (UT) <Pokepark> [Shiny & Jap] and Manaphy Lv 1 (UT) [Shiny & English] <Pkm Ranger Egg> for my DW Espeon English UT, Enigma Stone Latios UT, Ash's Pikachu UT and Shiny Lugia UT.

The problem is that the Mew Blackacer traded me is definately not UT because it has Pokerus and instead of the move Transform, it has Psychic. I found nothing wrong with his Manaphy. I addressed the issue with him and he told me he won't trade back my pokemon (Trades were 2 for 1, so I asked for 2 of the pokemon I traded him back).

His reason to decline my offer was because it's been a day and I could have cloned the Mew he traded me. To argue against that, when I addressed the issue this morning, it had only been 12-14 hours. I'm EST timezone so I went to bed moments after the trade was completed and Blackacer is GMT+8.

I don't clone my pokemon myself so I have to ask others to help clone for me. That means I have to rely on others' schedules to receieve copies. I didn't stay up looking for a cloner because wouldn't feel comfortable trading a cloner I haven't used before with a Shiny Pokepark Mew (J). Also, I already have a reliable one. The only cloning services I've used are from Vargas_Nano, CrobatOwns and TheBluePorygon. Vargas_Nano is my reliable cloner so I go to him whenever I need something cloned. I had just finished trading with Vargas_Nano before my trade with Blackacer. Vargas_Nano couldn't stay online because he has work the next day so it's not possible that I got the Mew cloned.


Evidence:

Shiny Pokepark Mew (J) as advertised - http://i56.*******.com/2cf47ww.png
Mew info page #1 Pokerus - http://i54.*******.com/1gsizq.jpg
Mew info page #2 Psychic - http://i53.*******.com/97mw4m.jpg
Conversation of the issue - http://i53.*******.com/2v0xugp.png
Vargas_Nano trade finished at around 9pm EST - http://i51.*******.com/qmxobm.png

Edit: Fix first link

Wrath89
21st May 2011, 7:06 PM
Username of Scammer: Blackacer
In-Game Name: N/A
Friend Code: 1248-8489-7710
What happened:

This occured around 10pm-12am EST on May 20, 2011. The trade agreed upon was Blackacer's Mew Lv 30 (UT) <Pokepark> [Shiny & Jap] and Manaphy Lv 1 (UT) [Shiny & English] <Pkm Ranger Egg> for my DW Espeon English UT, Enigma Stone Latios UT, Ash's Pikachu UT and Shiny Lugia UT.

The problem is that the Mew Blackacer traded me is definately not UT because it has Pokerus and instead of the move Transform, it has Psychic. I found nothing wrong with his Manaphy. I addressed the issue with him and he told me he won't trade back my pokemon (Trades were 2 for 1, so I asked for 2 of the pokemon I traded him back).

His reason to decline my offer was because it's been a day and I could have cloned the Mew he traded me. To argue against that, when I addressed the issue this morning, it had only been 12-14 hours. I'm EST timezone so I went to bed moments after the trade was completed and Blackacer is GMT+8.

I don't clone my pokemon myself so I have to ask others to help clone for me. That means I have to rely on others' schedules to receieve copies. I didn't stay up looking for a cloner because wouldn't feel comfortable trading a cloner I haven't used before with a Shiny Pokepark Mew (J). Also, I already have a reliable one. The only cloning services I've used are from Vargas_Nano, CrobatOwns and TheBluePorygon. Vargas_Nano is my reliable cloner so I go to him whenever I need something cloned. I had just finished trading with Vargas_Nano before my trade with Blackacer. Vargas_Nano couldn't stay online because he has work the next day so it's not possible that I got the Mew cloned.


Evidence:

Shiny Pokepark Mew (J) as advertised - http://i52.*******.com/29azlo1.png
Mew info page #1 Pokerus - http://i54.*******.com/1gsizq.jpg
Mew info page #2 Psychic - http://i53.*******.com/97mw4m.jpg
Conversation of the issue - http://i53.*******.com/2v0xugp.png
Vargas_Nano trade finished at around 9pm EST - http://i51.*******.com/qmxobm.png

By UT he probably meant that the Mew was untrained since UT can mean either untouched or untrained. It's always a good idea to ask which if you're concerned about it being untouched with TMs and such. Personally, I don't see any reason why he should have to trade back, because I do see his point. That would be plenty of time to have the Pokemon cloned.

DarkStar66
21st May 2011, 9:23 PM
By UT he probably meant that the Mew was untrained since UT can mean either untouched or untrained. It's always a good idea to ask which if you're concerned about it being untouched with TMs and such. Personally, I don't see any reason why he should have to trade back, because I do see his point. That would be plenty of time to have the Pokemon cloned.

If you look at Blackacer's thread rules, you can see he only wanted "Untouched ONLY!!!". I assume he offers the same courtesy when he puts (UT) next to a pokemon. He clearly states the Mew is UT in his shop, but look at the conversation "lol, im not gonna change it to BT just because it is extra 1 exp". That means he acknowledges the fact that the Mew is definately not UT and his shop is deceiving. Furthermore, during the time of the trade and when I addressed the issue, most of that time I was sleeping. Trade occured 10pm-12am, checked the next morning at 11am that the Mew is touched. PM'd Blackacer about this before 12pm. My cloner is already preoccupied(view evidence, he will vouch when he's back from work) and I wouldn't use a cloning service I haven't used before with a pokemon with such scarcity due to scams etc.

Wrath89
21st May 2011, 10:25 PM
If you look at Blackacer's thread rules, you can see he only wanted "Untouched ONLY!!!". I assume he offers the same courtesy when he puts (UT) next to a pokemon. He clearly states the Mew is UT in his shop, but look at the conversation "lol, im not gonna change it to BT just because it is extra 1 exp". That means he acknowledges the fact that the Mew is definately not UT and his shop is deceiving. Furthermore, during the time of the trade and when I addressed the issue, most of that time I was sleeping. Trade occured 10pm-12am, checked the next morning at 11am that the Mew is touched. PM'd Blackacer about this before 12pm. My cloner is already preoccupied(view evidence, he will vouch when he's back from work) and I wouldn't use a cloning service I haven't used before with a pokemon with such scarcity due to scams etc.

You do have a point that he did acknowledge that it wasn't really untrained, which he should specify. Though it is a pretty small detail that can easily be fixed. As for his thread saying "Untouched ONLY!!!" I don't think that's any reason to assume that UT is his translation for untouched. If anything, I would say it argues otherwise, since he made a point of writing out untouched. But that's just the way I perceived it.

And as for the cloning thing...There is really no way anyone can know if you were sleeping all that time except for your word. If we were to look at this from the way a courtroom judge would, there's just no proof that you didn't clone it and there's no way to know that you wouldn't use anyone else to clone. There's really only your word, and that's no evidence at all.

I'm not saying you don't have reason to be irritated, since the mew was slightly touched. But I don't think you can call him a scammer. He probably needs to be warned by an administrator that he can't call something untrained if it has even 1 exp. It would be a simple fix just to make a note of it in his shop. But you should also make sure there's no confusion between yourself and people you trade with about what UT means or other potential misunderstandings that could arise. Now if the Mew were to turn out to be a hack, then that would be a completely different story...

This is, of course, just my personal opinion on the matter.

Abstinence Pistols
22nd May 2011, 9:01 PM
Username of Scammer: Blackacer
In-Game Name: N/A
Friend Code: 1248-8489-7710
What happened:

This occured around 10pm-12am EST on May 20, 2011. The trade agreed upon was Blackacer's Mew Lv 30 (UT) <Pokepark> [Shiny & Jap] and Manaphy Lv 1 (UT) [Shiny & English] <Pkm Ranger Egg> for my DW Espeon English UT, Enigma Stone Latios UT, Ash's Pikachu UT and Shiny Lugia UT.

The problem is that the Mew Blackacer traded me is definately not UT because it has Pokerus and instead of the move Transform, it has Psychic. I found nothing wrong with his Manaphy. I addressed the issue with him and he told me he won't trade back my pokemon (Trades were 2 for 1, so I asked for 2 of the pokemon I traded him back).

His reason to decline my offer was because it's been a day and I could have cloned the Mew he traded me. To argue against that, when I addressed the issue this morning, it had only been 12-14 hours. I'm EST timezone so I went to bed moments after the trade was completed and Blackacer is GMT+8.

I don't clone my pokemon myself so I have to ask others to help clone for me. That means I have to rely on others' schedules to receieve copies. I didn't stay up looking for a cloner because wouldn't feel comfortable trading a cloner I haven't used before with a Shiny Pokepark Mew (J). Also, I already have a reliable one. The only cloning services I've used are from Vargas_Nano, CrobatOwns and TheBluePorygon. Vargas_Nano is my reliable cloner so I go to him whenever I need something cloned. I had just finished trading with Vargas_Nano before my trade with Blackacer. Vargas_Nano couldn't stay online because he has work the next day so it's not possible that I got the Mew cloned.


Evidence:

Shiny Pokepark Mew (J) as advertised - http://i52.*******.com/29azlo1.png
Mew info page #1 Pokerus - http://i54.*******.com/1gsizq.jpg
Mew info page #2 Psychic - http://i53.*******.com/97mw4m.jpg
Conversation of the issue - http://i53.*******.com/2v0xugp.png
Vargas_Nano trade finished at around 9pm EST - http://i51.*******.com/qmxobm.png

So the only issue is that it knows psychic instead of transform?
If I may make a suggestion, if that's it then just have him trade you a garbage pokemon holdig a heart scale, so you can reteach it transform, that should be fair.

JuanLiNK26
22nd May 2011, 9:07 PM
lol exactly --->un0va

gatesy0093
22nd May 2011, 9:09 PM
well, since this is the only legendry trading ish forum i can find i will put up on here, i have a Entei, and for that i am looking for either a Raikou or a Suicune.
i also have a Lugia, and for that i would like a Ho-Oh or another legendry that isnt from black/white :) please pm me if your interested :)

DarkStar66
23rd May 2011, 12:16 AM
So the only issue is that it knows psychic instead of transform?
If I may make a suggestion, if that's it then just have him trade you a garbage pokemon holdig a heart scale, so you can reteach it transform, that should be fair.
It has Pokerus so that can't be fixed.

Ang3l
23rd May 2011, 3:16 AM
Username of Scammer: Ang3l
In-Game Name: Angel
Friend Code: 1377 - 7731 - 2864
What happened:
At the time of the fateful encounter Celebi event, I had two Pokemon carts, one HG and one Plat, so I got two event Celebi. I used one of the Celebi in my White game and unlocked Zorua. I kept the other one so that I could trade it for other event Pokemon.

I saw a message in the event trading thread. The person was looking for an unused Celebi in Pokemon B/W. The user name was Ang3l. I left the following message on the profile:
"I have an unused Celebi. I got two during the event - one for my plat and one for my HG game. I am willing to trade it.

I need the following Pokemon: Deoxys; Mew

Send me a PM if you are interested."

ang3l sent me a PM and we worked out a deal. She would trade her Deoxys and Mew and I would give her my unused event Celebi. (I reported this PM). I would trade the Celebi for the Mew and then once she used the event pokemon, I would get the Deoxys.

Since she lives in Australia and I live in the US, we had to coordinate a time to make the trade. We chose 630am my time/930pm her time. (I reported this PM) I gave her my friend code. At 630am I logged onto the wifi club. Ang3l was nowhere to be found. It turns out she gave me the wrong friend code. I PM her again, and she messages me back on Sunday night in the US. She gives me her actual friend code and we plan to complete the trade the next day at 630am my time/930pm her time.

So, Monday morning I go to the wifi club. We set up a trade. She places Mew in the trade window and I place Celebi and we consummate the trade. She leaves the wifi room to go activate her Celebi. I look at my newly acquired Mew while I wait and I notice that it was caught in a master ball. I found this strange. Mew should be in one of those strange red balls. I leave the wifi room and look at the Mew again. Under the OT it says "ANGEL". In addition, the Mew has every single ribbon. This leads me to believe it is hacked. I can not PM Ang3l because she told me in PM that she does not have a computer at home so she can not PM me while we are on the wifi. (I reported this PM).

When she returns to the room she puts up the deoxys in trade. In response I put the Mew up in trade and I use the smiley function to make a "sad" face. I notice the deoxys is in a red ball, so I assume that this was a mistake on her part. She did not realize the Mew was hacked (despite having the same name as the OT in the hacked mew - I guess I am a sucker). So I get the Deoxys and send back the hacked Mew. She puts up several other pokemon in trade - one of which was a Shiny Mew in a master ball. I reject the trade and leave the room to check the Deoxys. The Deoxys also has the OT: ANGEL and also has all the ribbons possible and also has a red smiley icon about the "item: none" box.

I promptly PM'd Ang3l with my concerns. (Her response has been reported). She stated that she would trade me back. I was ok with this even though what made the Celebi valuable (the fact it was unused) had been burned. I just wanted my legit pokemon back and I did not want to hold on to a hacked Pokemon. She said she would meet me at 630am today in the wifi club (her response has been reported). I woke up this morning at 630am and went into the wifi club today and she didn't show up. I stayed until 645am.

I have reported the PM's which I have cited in my post and I am willing to go into the wifi club and show any mod or admin who wishes to see the hacked deoxys.

Thank You for listening.

When you PM'd me you asked me if the pokemon were legitimate and I stated that I didn't know because I got them in a trade. You were aware that there was a chance they weren't legitimate and you agreed to trade with me anyway. I apologised for the trade, I also didn't know they were hacked, but as I said I did specify in a PM that I wasn't 100% sure of their legitimacy. I also waited in the wi-fi room for quite a long time and couldn't see you. I'm still quite happy to trade your celebi back to you and I have a 100% LEGITIMATE shiny suicune (unused) that I am willing to give you as an apology if you're interested. The reason I couldn't PM you when our trade back didn't go as planned is because we went on holidays from TAFE and that's the only time I can use a computer.

Matt36
23rd May 2011, 5:31 PM
I'm not one for posting in here to complain, BUT, I need a second opinion.

Traded for a Growlithe is flawless IV's but when I checked on the SEREBII IV checker...thing it isn't giving me FLAWLESS IV's.

The Person I traded with (Who I won't name till I get a final answer here) then said they checked with 'The Judge', so I did and had this convo


"You can call me the judge

heh heh, that's actually not my real name, but its what everyone calls me

its because of this weird power I have, its a gift, really

I can discern-judge. you might say-the overall potential of individual Pokemon

If you'd like, I could judge the intriguing potential of your Pokemon

*Chose your Growlithe*

I see...I see...

This Pokemon has outstanding Potential overall

That's my determination, and it's final

Incidentally, I would say the best potential lies in its HP

And its attack stat is also good

I see, its Defence stat is also good

Its Sp.Atk is equally good

Its Sp.Def is good as well

Well, its Speed stat is also good

It can't be better in that regard. Thats how I judged it"

*END OF CONVO*

Proof of the Iv's from serebii - http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5736/proofba.png

Serebii has never let me down before...

MY QUESTION IS!

Am I reading something wrong? Like the IV's on serebii? Is serebii wrong? Will the judge tell me the IV's are flawless or is this his way of saying it is flawless?

Any other questions or comments feel free to add or ask :)

I'm not here to cause a problem for myself or the trader, I just want our back and forth to stop so I know for certain whether the IV's are flawless...I'm not even bothered about trading back for it, I have said I would keep it!


EDIT: They then sent me this: http://www.upokecenter.com/games/bw/guides/notes.php?section=The%20Judge

phione345
23rd May 2011, 5:41 PM
It has Pokerus so that can't be fixed.

Isn't Pokerus a good thing? I consider it to be really nice if I'm traded a pokerus pokemon, so if I EV train it, i don't have to take the time to infect it myself.

Wrath89
23rd May 2011, 6:35 PM
I'm not one for posting in here to complain, BUT, I need a second opinion.

Traded for a Growlithe is flawless IV's but when I checked on the SEREBII IV checker...thing it isn't giving me FLAWLESS IV's.

The Person I traded with (Who I won't name till I get a final answer here) then said they checked with 'The Judge', so I did and had this convo


"You can call me the judge

heh heh, that's actually not my real name, but its what everyone calls me

its because of this weird power I have, its a gift, really

I can discern-judge. you might say-the overall potential of individual Pokemon

If you'd like, I could judge the intriguing potential of your Pokemon

*Chose your Growlithe*

I see...I see...

This Pokemon has outstanding Potential overall

That's my determination, and it's final

Incidentally, I would say the best potential lies in its HP

And its attack stat is also good

I see, its Defence stat is also good

Its Sp.Atk is equally good

Its Sp.Def is good as well

Well, its Speed stat is also good

It can't be better in that regard. Thats how I judged it"

*END OF CONVO*

Proof of the Iv's from serebii - http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5736/proofba.png

Serebii has never let me down before...

MY QUESTION IS!

Am I reading something wrong? Like the IV's on serebii? Is serebii wrong? Will the judge tell me the IV's are flawless or is this his way of saying it is flawless?

Any other questions or comments feel free to add or ask :)

I'm not here to cause a problem for myself or the trader, I just want our back and forth to stop so I know for certain whether the IV's are flawless...I'm not even bothered about trading back for it, I have said I would keep it!


EDIT: They then sent me this: http://www.upokecenter.com/games/bw/guides/notes.php?section=The%20Judge

What are the IVs it is giving you?

Like you, I usually have no problem with Serebii. But I did have one issue a while back where for one night, if I put in a Ditto, it would say its IVs were 21 across the board, no matter the Ditto. But it was only for a few hours and then it was fixed. I don't know what the explanation for this would be, but it does show that the IV calculator can mess up from time to time so I would recheck it just to be sure. Also, make sure you are putting in the correct description such as "Alert to Sounds" because I know sometimes people forget to change that.

Lycael
23rd May 2011, 6:45 PM
I would like to blacklist Jonnhyblaze for attempting to trade with a guy in my trade shop, i have evidence in the form of a single post.http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=12584685&postcount=35] (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=12584685&postcount=35)
Unfortuantly i didn't get his FC or IGN.

Matt36
23rd May 2011, 6:47 PM
I would like to blacklist Jonnhyblaze for attempting to trade with a guy in my trade shop, i have evidence in the form of a single post.http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=12584685&postcount=35] (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=12584685&postcount=35)
Unfortuantly i didn't get his FC or IGN.

I can 2nd this. He's done it in my shop too. Not black list worthy, just a breach of trade shop rules. If that makes sense.


What are the IVs it is giving you?

Like you, I usually have no problem with Serebii. But I did have one issue a while back where for one night, if I put in a Ditto, it would say its IVs were 21 across the board, no matter the Ditto. But it was only for a few hours and then it was fixed. I don't know what the explanation for this would be, but it does show that the IV calculator can mess up from time to time so I would recheck it just to be sure. Also, make sure you are putting in the correct description such as "Alert to Sounds" because I know sometimes people forget to change that.

I checked and double checked everything. I know how to check the IV's. I needed a 2nd opinion.

15/15/20/26/15/15 are what I keep getting.

Wrath89
23rd May 2011, 7:01 PM
I checked and double checked everything. I know how to check the IV's. I needed a 2nd opinion.

15/15/20/26/15/15 are what I keep getting.

The IV calculator may be accurate then. I know that the Judge tells me that same thing he told you even when my Pokemon don't have flawless IVs on occassion, so if the guy you traded with was only going off of that to determine IVs, then they probably are incorrect. It's a poor substitute for an IV calculator

Matt36
23rd May 2011, 7:11 PM
Thought as much. I've checked countless Pokemon before and had no problem till it came to this Growlithe.

Lycael
23rd May 2011, 7:27 PM
I can 2nd this. He's done it in my shop too. Not black list worthy, just a breach of trade shop rules. If that makes sense.



I checked and double checked everything. I know how to check the IV's. I needed a 2nd opinion.

15/15/20/26/15/15 are what I keep getting.

True, just warning others with trade shops about him, and GL getting this scam issue sorted out.

Ju-da-su
23rd May 2011, 7:28 PM
I'd like to report FlashForce (http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?u=209302) since I believe our trades are being a little unfair. Don't know if this is what they call "scamming" or not though.

FC: 2623 2034 5717

Before this, we have a trade of my DW Mamoswine and DW Chimchar for his two Movie 11 Victini, Adamant Flawless and Jolly near flawless.

After I did the trade, I sent the Victinis for hack checking at Bulbagarden (under reconstruction right now, so I can't link to the thread until it's back up). The hack checker at Bulbagarden said they both are hacked, as their PIDs are identical while the natures are different, which obviously is impossible considering the mechanism of the game.

I then told FlashForce that and request refund. He said he traded away my Chimchar already (of which I personally don't mind, since it's in fact cloned anyway and I also got it from traded, proven), but he didn't get my Mamoswine cloned yet, so he'll trade that back to me. Since I find it to be unfair to begin with, taken that I had to trade my two DW events for two hacked Victini, I told him that alright, I'll take back the Mamoswine and the ANA Darkrai as a redemption for the two Victinis PROVIDING THAT HE MUST NOT CLONE MY MAMOSWINE AND TAKE IT OUT OF HIS LIST. He agreed to that (proof (http://www.serebiiforums.com/converse.php?u=209302&u2=193081)), so we trade. He did take the Mamoswine off the list, so I'm alright with that, UNTIL...this (http://www.serebiiforums.com/converse.php?u=227917&u2=209302).

Since he CLEARLY dismiss our agreement by cloning my Mamoswine prior to trading to do that under-the-table trade, I think I have enough to report him to the blacklist now (other than the fact that he trade me two hacked pokemons, which he claimed to be from trade...though I'm one of those people who believe people who's trading pokemon should be 100% sure that their stuff is legit, even those they got in trades, before trading if it's legit-for-legit deal anyway, really. :S )

Matt36
23rd May 2011, 7:33 PM
In regards to my problem - If you have a lvl.1 flawless Pokemon, raise to level 10 then check its IV's. Both the Growlithe in question have IVs of 30 & 31.

Case closed.

PolioParalyzer
23rd May 2011, 7:34 PM
Okay. So this is my Growlithe originally that we are discussing. I am the girl who traded it to Matt36.
First of all, I have proof that at least two of its stats are flawless, since I EV trained it and raised it to level 50 to help settle this argument. I support the fact that it is fully flawless, but my point is that if the IV checker on Serebii says that the Attack IV is 15, and the Speed IV is 15, yet I have proof that they are both flawless, it supports my point that the IV checker can be wrong.
Secondly, there is an admitted error margin on the IV checker. It specifically says that level 20 is the level that has the greatest accuracy. The Growlithe Matt36 says is still level 1, which means there is an error margin. Also, the judge may be vague, but he is very obvious when it comes to flawless pokemon. I have NEVER heard mentioned anywhere that he has an error margin.
In addition, I will soon find the link to the hack check thread that Matt36 posted in, in which someone confirmed that the IV checker can be wrong while the Judge is accurate. EDIT! http://beta.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=12584768&postcount=1712 (Here is the aforementioned post)
Finally, I will try to take a clear photo of my DS to show the level 50 Arcanine with Attack: 162 and Speed: 161 which matches the data at the bottom of the page here: http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/059.shtml for the max stats for a level 50 Arcanine. Since the Arcanine is Jolly, please look at the max stats with beneficial nature, level 50 and the max stats for a neutral nature for the Attack, level 50.
The EV spread of this Arcanine is 252 attack, 252 speed, 4 HP.
I will edit this post when I find the links and take the photos necessary to prove my point.

EDIT: I posted this before reading Matt36's previous post and VM on my wall. However, I still support the Growlithe is FULLY flawless and will continue to post proof and find more information if this is doubted by anyone.

Matt36
23rd May 2011, 7:41 PM
Except you didn't say anything about levelling the said Pokemon up to level 20 till 15 minutes ago. So now you're making yourself look in the wrong, when it was already cleared up.

I didn't even name you, say I had a serious problem or say I wanted you black listed haha!

The link you want is;
http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=12584763&postcount=1711

But fire away with whatever you feel will give you closure. I cleared this up already so as far as Im concerned I'm finished with it :)



EDIT: I posted this before reading Matt36's previous post and VM on my wall. However, I still support the Growlithe is FULLY flawless and will continue to post proof and find more information if this is doubted by anyone.

Now its doubted by me. You say its completely flawless? Yet before you edited your post, you said you had at least 2 stats flawless...well...

30/30/30/31/30/30

I'm going to raise it level 20 now. Will the stats all be 31 then?

PolioParalyzer
23rd May 2011, 7:53 PM
I am glad that the issue is settled for you. But I think I am also allowed to stand up for the pokemon and my own reputation, since it is flawless, and even though you are happy you still believe it to be near-flawless. I will cease posting after this, as I do not mean to spam but I must admit I am aggravated because of this entire situation and feel I should be able to provide evidence of my side as well, if anyone else doubts the Growlithe is indeed fully flawless.
The reason I didn't tell you to level was because I assumed you had read everything about the IV checker, seeing as you were relying on it and giving me trouble because of it. It shoudn't be my responsibility to be informed about a system that I don't use due to the fact it has been prove to be flawed and to have an error margin.
Also, the post I chose was because it also showed that you read and agreed with the post. Thank you for posting the original though.
Now as I said, I will post pictures or allow mods or whoever to look at the Growlithe or Arcanine or whatever is necessary if anyone else doubts it. But for now, I stand by the fact that it is flawless and am done posting. Thank you.

Matt36
23rd May 2011, 7:58 PM
You can continue all you want? No one actually cares as I have closed it and shown you aren't wrong? =/

But Unless its 31/31/31/31/31/31 at level 20 I will be requesting a black list listing. Just for your bitterness and changing your story.

I've said I don't have a problem with you, the pokemon or that I wanted you named or a trade back. I wanted to make sure it was Flawless like you keep saying.

So we will see :)

Matt36
23rd May 2011, 8:13 PM
I'm risking a double posting infraction & that meaning a ban BUT I don't want this being over looked or missed by editing my post.

The Growlithe in question (*sigh*) is now level 21. The stats have been put into the IV checker and have come out like this;

30/29/20/31/30/29

Which means since I raised it 11 levels it has decreased from level 10.

Screenshot taking minutes ago...http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4916/moreproof.png

Please yourselves what you think about that.

Ju-da-su
23rd May 2011, 8:22 PM
I'd like to report FlashForce (http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?u=209302) since I believe our trades are being a little unfair. Don't know if this is what they call "scamming" or not though.

FC: 2623 2034 5717

Before this, we have a trade of my DW Mamoswine and DW Chimchar for his two Movie 11 Victini, Adamant Flawless and Jolly near flawless.

After I did the trade, I sent the Victinis for hack checking at Bulbagarden (under reconstruction right now, so I can't link to the thread until it's back up). The hack checker at Bulbagarden said they both are hacked, as their PIDs are identical while the natures are different, which obviously is impossible considering the mechanism of the game.

I then told FlashForce that and request refund. He said he traded away my Chimchar already (of which I personally don't mind, since it's in fact cloned anyway and I also got it from traded, proven), but he didn't get my Mamoswine cloned yet, so he'll trade that back to me. Since I find it to be unfair to begin with, taken that I had to trade my two DW events for two hacked Victini, I told him that alright, I'll take back the Mamoswine and the ANA Darkrai as a redemption for the two Victinis PROVIDING THAT HE MUST NOT CLONE MY MAMOSWINE AND TAKE IT OUT OF HIS LIST. He agreed to that (proof (http://www.serebiiforums.com/converse.php?u=209302&u2=193081)), so we trade. He did take the Mamoswine off the list, so I'm alright with that, UNTIL...this (http://www.serebiiforums.com/converse.php?u=227917&u2=209302).

Since he CLEARLY dismiss our agreement by cloning my Mamoswine prior to trading to do that under-the-table trade, I think I have enough to report him to the blacklist now (other than the fact that he trade me two hacked pokemons, which he claimed to be from trade...though I'm one of those people who believe people who's trading pokemon should be 100% sure that their stuff is legit, even those they got in trades, before trading if it's legit-for-legit deal anyway, really. :S )

Since I personally don't want this overlooked either.


I'm risking a double posting infraction & that meaning a ban BUT I don't want this being over looked or missed by editing my post.

The Growlithe in question (*sigh*) is now level 21. The stats have been put into the IV checker and have come out like this;

30/29/20/31/30/29

Which means since I raised it 11 levels it has decreased from level 10.

Screenshot taking minutes ago...http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4916/moreproof.png

Please yourselves what you think about that.

Try going to the judge again (since I don't know what's so hard about that), since tbh, you can't get an exactly IV of any pokemon unless it's level 100, but if you go to the judge and the judge say it's not flawless (which he'll have to list out all the stats and said they can't be any better) yourself, then I believe you can very well blacklist the OT, because lying about IVs is an offense which worth enough for the blacklist, IMO. -_-"

Matt36
23rd May 2011, 8:28 PM
I'm not literally going to ask for them to be blacklisted -.-

That would be stupid. I've said over & over I don't have a problem. I didn't even want them named. It wasn't till they posted that I wanted this fully proven. I've done as they asked and raised it to level 20 and as far as I'm made to believe by the trader it should have flawless IV's.

I've proven them wrong. That is all. Not too arsed, still happy with my Pokemon but it keeps being brought up when we chat so I wanted this sorted. Which it is.

Wardek
23rd May 2011, 8:34 PM
I'm not literally going to ask for them to be blacklisted -.-

That would be stupid. I've said over & over I don't have a problem. I didn't even want them named. It wasn't till they posted that I wanted this fully proven. I've done as they asked and raised it to level 20 and as far as I'm made to believe by the trader it should have flawless IV's.

I've proven them wrong. That is all. Not too arsed, still happy with my Pokemon but it keeps being brought up when we chat so I wanted this sorted. Which it is.

Try taking it to the Battle Subway, which will make it to Lv. 50, then check it's stats and post them in the calculator again.

Matt36
23rd May 2011, 8:51 PM
I shall. But what difference will that make? I keep levelling it up and I keep different IV's. WE can clearly see its not flawless? But I will give the trader the benefit of the doubt...AGAIN.

Wardek
23rd May 2011, 8:53 PM
I shall. But what difference will that make? I keep levelling it up and I keep different IV's. WE can clearly see its not flawless? But I will give the trader the benefit of the doubt...AGAIN.

The IVs are calculated correctly when it is Lv 50 or 100.

PolioParalyzer
23rd May 2011, 8:57 PM
I use the judge for a reason. Sure he is vague but he is also very accurate when it comes to flawlessness. He will tell you without a doubt that it "Cannot be better". Has anyone run into a situation where the judge has been wrong? Has anyone ever seen a situation where the IV checker has been wrong? Right here we see an example with the IVs changing with every level. But the judge has been constant.
I will use my rare candies to level up this growlithe to 50 then 100 (this time not EV training), then plug the IVs into the checker, then I will printscreen the results if I can figure out how to printscreen.

Matt36
23rd May 2011, 9:00 PM
Great, you do what you want with your Growlithe - that will prove bugger all since thats not the one in question? I own the one in question and so far you have been proven to be wrong. I'm on my way to battle subway now.

PolioParalyzer
23rd May 2011, 9:05 PM
It is the same one; I clone so it's the exact same Growlithe. I can take a photo showing the OT and ID number if you want.
And I'm sorry, but if you are threatening me with blacklisting or banning and all of these things simply for trying to post my side of the story then I think I'm allowed to get involved.
I was not trying to make this worse. Since when has the defendant in court been threatened for trying to tell her side? I'm trying to settle this because I apparently have a lot to lose. And I didn't mean any harm. I was just trying to be as satisfied as you were when this was settled. I still felt upset and slighted, so I was trying to settle it for myself as well. It was nothing personal. It was business and reputation. Because on serebii, what more do you have then your reputation?

jirachiuser1
23rd May 2011, 9:05 PM
Sorry to get into this argument but I have a few thing to point out. The Serebii IV calculator gives the Median of the IVs.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4916/moreproof.png

In this link, the Median of the HP iV is 30 but the "Spread" option lists 29, 30, and 31 as possible options. Since 30 is in the middle though, the Median is given as 30. The IV judge in the Battle Subway gives exact IVs so he should be trusted. In all of the IVs in the link, 31 is always given as an option in the " Spread" section so there is no reason to believe that the Growlithe in question is not flawless.

Again Sorry

Matt36
23rd May 2011, 9:09 PM
I don't like clones, wish you had told me that prior to now too. Thanks. So far you've withheld that info & more. Then changed story regarding having me check the IV's myself. You then rushed around the Internet, clutching at straws trying to prove yourself right.

But thanks to Jirachiuser1, you've again been proven wrong. Well done.

And to think I had left this and took your word for it...to bad.





EDIT: Level 50 Growlithe http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/4469/finalproof.png

30/30/30/31/30/30


PolioParalyzer, you are wrong. I should ask for further action due to the fact you dragged this out, try to tell me I was wrong, misinformed me, changed your story, withheld info and tried for the sympathy vote. If you care for your reputation, do the research into your pokemon and make the effort to give all the info about them to avoid this in the future. Let this be a lesson.

Mods, I won't be taking any action here.

Wardek
23rd May 2011, 9:21 PM
Since Matt has already said on his topic that he doesn't want clones, so that again a problem.
@Jirachi: What you gave is helpful, and no need to say sorry. You've even helped me a little.

PolioParalyzer
23rd May 2011, 9:22 PM
I'm sorry I didn't tell you it was cloned. I've never had a problem and most people don't ask and I don't mention because it seems extremely normal to me. Also, you didn't ask me. You approached me to trade and didn't ask. From now on I will post very clearly somewhere that I clone. I will still offer a tradeback of your DW Flareon and Bulbasaur and cease offering them. I am honest. I will not clone and continue trading them.
In addition, Jirachiuser1 in fact said that the Judge CAN be trusted while the IV checker shows medians. Medians meaning that if it says 30 it can still be 31, or 29. . Thank you so much for posting jirachiuser1. I appreciate you giving your say.
I never changed my story. If you think I did then that's your business. That said I used the IV calculator myself with my level 50 Rare candied Growlithe.
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/chaoticvenge/growlithe50.png
Here is the level 100 rare candied growlithe.
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/chaoticvenge/growlithe100.png

Matt36
23rd May 2011, 9:23 PM
Read my EDIT to my last post. You are wrong, deal with it!

The Judge can be trusted but it doesn't give the info required to say your Pokemon are flawless - this is a perfect example :)

You have given me more than enough reasons to report you, tell me why I shouldn't? Hmm?

If Wardek can see I don't accept clones, and I've never traded with them, then surely you can see it. Not hard really...

Wardek
23rd May 2011, 9:28 PM
Matt clearly stated that he don't like clones and don't want them at the second line at his shop.


I don't hack! I don't Clone! I don't battle!

I don't want;

Level.100 Pokemon
EV Trained Pokemon
IV Trained Pokemon - unless stated!
DW Pokemon
Hacks
Clones
Pokemon I have already

So this problem is solved anyways, right?

Matt36
23rd May 2011, 9:30 PM
Matt clearly stated that he don't like clones and don't want them at the second line at his shop.




So this problem is solved anyways, right?

Was that difficult for you? Must be for others. Anyway, I hope they learned their lesson. Surely those who read this thread will see Poli doesn't check their pokemon thoroughly.

phetty
23rd May 2011, 9:33 PM
Have you guys gone to Mistralton city Pokemon Center and talked to the Hidden Power guy? You should be able to determine whether it's flawless or not there by whether it's dark or some other Hidden Power.

Wrath89
23rd May 2011, 9:34 PM
Has anyone run into a situation where the judge has been wrong?
Yes, a few times. He has told me my Pokemon couldn't be better when they weren't flawless and it has not said that when they were, in fact, flawless. I find the judge pretty unreliable for that reason.

PolioParalyzer
23rd May 2011, 9:37 PM
This is why I continued this argument. I have checked with the judge and the IV checker. I have done everything possible to settle this. And then you finish it saying that I don't check my pokemon and am untrustworthy. I have never received any complaint by the way I do business until now.
And I am now changing my posts and my offering list to perhaps make you feel better. I now say openly in bold that I clone. I am also removing the DW Flareon and Bulbasaur I received from you from my list whether you want them back or not. I will still give you them back and you can keep the growlithe.
I just feel like the bad guy. Is there anything that I can do here to show that I didn't mess up? Saying that isn't fair, Matt36. I did check. I checked with the judge and now the IV calculator backs me up. I will do anything you wish but PLEASE don't smear my name like that. That absolutely is not fair.

And to Jirachiuser1, I went to Mistralton before doing the IV check. If you check my links I put HP Dark, and there is no error.

Wardek
23rd May 2011, 9:38 PM
Have you guys gone to Mistralton city Pokemon Center and talked to the Hidden Power guy? You should be able to determine whether it's flawless or not there by whether it's dark or some other Hidden Power.

Let's say i have a Haxorus with 27/30/10/0/21/6 and HP Dark, does that make it flawless? No.

Edit: Matt, did you check it's stats when it was at Lv. 50 at the IV Calculator?

Wrath89
23rd May 2011, 9:40 PM
This is why I continued this argument. I have checked with the judge and the IV checker. I have done everything possible to settle this. And then you finish it saying that I don't check my pokemon and am untrustworthy. I have never received any complaint by the way I do business until now.
And I am now changing my posts and my offering list to perhaps make you feel better. I now say openly in bold that I clone. I am also removing the DW Flareon and Bulbasaur I received from you from my list whether you want them back or not. I will still give you them back and you can keep the growlithe.
I just feel like the bad guy. Is there anything that I can do here to show that I didn't mess up? Saying that isn't fair, Matt36. I did check. I checked with the judge and now the IV calculator backs me up. I will do anything you wish but PLEASE don't smear my name like that. That absolutely is not fair.

And to Jirachiuser1, I went to Mistralton before doing the IV check. If you check my links I put HP Dark, and there is no error.

I don't think you sound like the bad guy. In the worst case, you MAY have used an unreliable method of checking your IVs and you probably should have mentioned that the Pokemon was cloned since some people have a problem with that. But neither of those is a horribly heinous offense, especially as long as you're willing to trade back in light of this.

Gad
23rd May 2011, 9:41 PM
Ok, this is getting super heated up :P I just have two things to say:
1. I've traded with Polio a few times, and I've never had any problems with his (her?) pokemon. From what I can tell, there still isn't any problem now, so what's the huge deal? :P There are often problems with IV checkers, and if you want definitive proof of the IVs of a pokemon, I'd go to http://pokecheck.kraftpaper.org/ and upload it to that.
2. What Phetty said :)

Matt36
23rd May 2011, 9:41 PM
I have said countless times I have no issue, no problems or reason to 'smear' your name

I DIDN'T EVEN NAME YOU! YOU POSTED SAYING IT WAS YOU! Genius...

You can't do anything. Once I've been messed about once, I don't give them a 2nd chance.

I have chosen not to take action. That surely is enough.

Matt36
23rd May 2011, 9:43 PM
Ok, this is getting super heated up :P I just have two things to say:
1. I've traded with Polio a few times, and I've never had any problems with his (her?) pokemon. From what I can tell, there still isn't any problem now, so what's the huge deal? :P There are often problems with IV checkers, and if you want definitive proof of the IVs of a pokemon, I'd go to http://pokecheck.kraftpaper.org/ and upload it to that.
2. What Phetty said :)


1. Your experiences are unrelated, therefore null & void. If you can't see the problem, you shouldn't be getting involved or replying.

2. Good day to you.

Wardek
23rd May 2011, 9:43 PM
I don't think you sound like the bad guy. In the worst case, you MAY have used an unreliable method of checking your IVs and you probably should have mentioned that the Pokemon was cloned since some people have a problem with that. But neither of those is a horribly heinous offense, especially as long as you're willing to trade back in light of this.

I'm not on either sides, but that could also something needs to be pointed out. The IVs can also be checked out with AR, i checked my Drilbur and the IVs were correct.

Edit: Anyways, could we end this? Matt doesn't care wether if Polio is blacklisted or not based on what i've been reading, and Polio tried every method to check it's IVs. This not gonna take us anywhere.

Gad
23rd May 2011, 9:44 PM
1. Your experiences are unrelated, therefore null & void. If you can't see the problem, you shouldn't be getting involved or replying.

2. Good day to you.

The sarcasm was unnecessary... I'm just trying to help, but apparently you guys don't need it, so good day to you too. :)

Wrath89
23rd May 2011, 9:44 PM
I have said countless times I have no issue, no problems or reason to 'smear' your name

I DIDN'T EVEN NAME YOU! YOU POSTED SAYING IT WAS YOU! Genius...

You can't do anything. Once I've been messed about once, I don't give them a 2nd chance.

I have chosen not to take action. That surely is enough.

Just leave it at that then. Polio has offered to remedy the situation; Matt doesn't want him to. Polio has done all he can then and has handled the matter quite reasonably if you ask me. Case closed.

phetty
23rd May 2011, 9:45 PM
Let's say i have a Haxorus with 27/30/10/0/21/6 and HP Dark, does that make it flawless? No.
No it doesn't, but with what we know from the IV calculator the IVs are either 30 or 31. Matt did not put the Hidden Power of Growlithe into the IV calculator which seems like a pretty important thing to include when the info is so easily available to you. More so if you're the accusing party.

Wardek
23rd May 2011, 9:48 PM
Polio has added the HP Dark, and Matt didn't put any HP. Matt, try putting the HP Dark, and let's see the results.

Matt36
23rd May 2011, 9:50 PM
I fully intend too.

AS I've said from the start, I only wanted to know if I was doing something wrong or if the IV's are wrong on SEREBII.

Polio is the one worried about their rep, I couldn't give a monkeys, I want my shiny flawless Growlithe.

Wardek
23rd May 2011, 9:52 PM
Then it's settled.

Abstinence Pistols
23rd May 2011, 9:52 PM
Isn't Pokerus a good thing? I consider it to be really nice if I'm traded a pokerus pokemon, so if I EV train it, i don't have to take the time to infect it myself.

Normally yes, but I believe he said that it had the little smiley face that indicates it's had pokerus prior. If that's the case, then it will be unable to receive it in the future, therefore it IS a bad thing.

sup3rr4d
23rd May 2011, 9:59 PM
Normally yes, but I believe he said that it had the little smiley face that indicates it's had pokerus prior. If that's the case, then it will be unable to receive it in the future, therefore it IS a bad thing.

i was under the impression that once a pokemon has obtained the pokerus, it keeps it and the effects.. the only thing that is temporary is the ability to spread it to different pokemon?

Matt36
23rd May 2011, 10:04 PM
Settled!

Included Hidden Power and straight 31's

GROWLITHE IS FLAWLESS! :)

Besides the cloning (I won't be using this Pokemon, so it's now up for trade!) i don't have a problem.

Case, well & truely closed.

Abstinence Pistols
23rd May 2011, 10:07 PM
i was under the impression that once a pokemon has obtained the pokerus, it keeps it and the effects.. the only thing that is temporary is the ability to spread it to different pokemon?

Wait, seriously? Hot damn! That's why my manaphy gains ev's so fast 4 years after getting pokerus!

SSJCerious
25th May 2011, 12:30 AM
Username:lucario44444444
InGame Name: MA
Friend Code: 3009 8950 7818
What happened: He PMs me asking to trade me Mew for his TRU Axew Egg. We trade, I tell him thanks. He doesnt reply, so I think he's just AFK. I hatch the egg and get a Ferroseed. I send him a message saying what he did was low, and that I WILL report him.

EDIT: It seems he made a geniune mistake in trading me the Ferroseed egg, so I'll give him a second chance and update this post once we re-trade.

EDIT: It took awhile but we finally traded back.

Blackacer
25th May 2011, 12:44 AM
Username of Scammer: Blackacer
In-Game Name: N/A
Friend Code: 1248-8489-7710
What happened:

This occured around 10pm-12am EST on May 20, 2011. The trade agreed upon was Blackacer's Mew Lv 30 (UT) <Pokepark> [Shiny & Jap] and Manaphy Lv 1 (UT) [Shiny & English] <Pkm Ranger Egg> for my DW Espeon English UT, Enigma Stone Latios UT, Ash's Pikachu UT and Shiny Lugia UT.

The problem is that the Mew Blackacer traded me is definately not UT because it has Pokerus and instead of the move Transform, it has Psychic. I found nothing wrong with his Manaphy. I addressed the issue with him and he told me he won't trade back my pokemon (Trades were 2 for 1, so I asked for 2 of the pokemon I traded him back).

His reason to decline my offer was because it's been a day and I could have cloned the Mew he traded me. To argue against that, when I addressed the issue this morning, it had only been 12-14 hours. I'm EST timezone so I went to bed moments after the trade was completed and Blackacer is GMT+8.

I don't clone my pokemon myself so I have to ask others to help clone for me. That means I have to rely on others' schedules to receieve copies. I didn't stay up looking for a cloner because wouldn't feel comfortable trading a cloner I haven't used before with a Shiny Pokepark Mew (J). Also, I already have a reliable one. The only cloning services I've used are from Vargas_Nano, CrobatOwns and TheBluePorygon. Vargas_Nano is my reliable cloner so I go to him whenever I need something cloned. I had just finished trading with Vargas_Nano before my trade with Blackacer. Vargas_Nano couldn't stay online because he has work the next day so it's not possible that I got the Mew cloned.


Evidence:

Shiny Pokepark Mew (J) as advertised - http://i52.*******.com/29azlo1.png
Mew info page #1 Pokerus - http://i54.*******.com/1gsizq.jpg
Mew info page #2 Psychic - http://i53.*******.com/97mw4m.jpg
Conversation of the issue - http://i53.*******.com/2v0xugp.png
Vargas_Nano trade finished at around 9pm EST - http://i51.*******.com/qmxobm.png

yawnz... i wonder which pest is disturbing my beauty sleep.
lemme settle this in 1 post :D

Darkstar , u should give the full pm ya know? not the half done pm.
in the full pm stated , i would trade u back your pokemon at 8.30pm which is my time , and u dint even pm me about anything and i went to sleep at 10.30 pm ytr since im from GMT +8. ur the one who said " ok i understand, would u be able to online 8.30pm tmr your time?"

oh yes , it was not a latios . its

Espeon + Shiny lugia = Shiny Mew.

get your facts right before u post here.

btw if im not wrong , its stated it has pokerus when u are trading , and u still trade dispite knowing or able to see it has pokerus..






















It has pokerus and missing transform, psychic is in its place. That's not UT. I traded you yesterday 4 of my pokemon for two of yours.

Espeon , Lv 10 , UT , Dreamworld Event
Latios , Lv 40 , UT , Engma Stone
Pikachu , Lv 50 , UT , Ash
Lugia , Lv 45 , UT , Shiny & English

for your shiny pokepark mew UT and shiny manaphy UT. No problems with manaphy but the mew is touched..
lol , im not gonna change it to BT just because it is extra 1 exp
You said you were trading a UT Shiny Pokepark Mew Japanese and it's not UT. I want my DW Espeon and Enigma Stone Latios back.
No ,
1. Its not hacked
2. Tell me on the spot and i will return u , dragging 1 day gives u time to clone it.
1. I did not say anything about its legitimacy
2. I don't clone, you clone which means you probably already cloned my pokemon
1. i dint say u said its hacked
2. i stated my reason of changing.
3. i dont clone EXTRA pokemon to just chunk up my box , i only do when people wants them
1. When did I say the Mew hacked? I said you gave me a Mew that is not UT
2. Your Mew how Pokerus, missing Transform and has xp. That is not Untouched.

uhh well... Pm me 7hour later. Im currently outside , and i have trades waiting for me since ytr
No problem if that means you're willing to trade me back Latios/Espeon. I can't be on in 7 hours but let's try to work something out. How about 11pm your time (GMT+8)? That means I have to wake up at 10am EST.
11pm is not possible , i have school tomorrow so i need to go sleep by 10pm
Ok. I'll wake up around 8:30am my time, 9:30pm your time. School on sunday?
right now is sunday , tmr is monday
Oh right different timezones, can you be on at 9:30pm your time?
yup sure
let me know when you're ready
I afraid we cant trade today , as u see... MY CLAN IS FREAKING MISSING!
Im making reports to mods
clan for what? only takes 5mins to trade.
My clan in serebii , the mods dunno why delete them... and now i got no mood to do anything because MY WORTH 3DAYS TIME WAS GONE IN A FLASH! ALL THE USERBAR ALL THE GRAPHICS ALL GONE! .......
Alright no problem, I understand. Can you trade tommorow at 8:30pm your time?
yeah........ hope the admin can give me a sastisfied reply... instead of being silent...
I hope you get your clan back, see you tommorow

sup3rr4d
25th May 2011, 12:44 AM
Wait, seriously? Hot damn! That's why my manaphy gains ev's so fast 4 years after getting pokerus!

yes sir, i believe so

White_Stoner30
26th May 2011, 3:46 AM
Username of Scammer: tyty
In-game name: Didn't give to me
FC: 0862-4107-7661
What Happened: So I traded with this jerk and look at the Flawless Shiny Skarmory he traded me and notice its its location caught at said (----------) then I'm see the egg moves. Wich are stealth rock, whirlwind, roost, and brave bird and I'm pretty sure it can't get all these moves at one time (yet again IDK) so I'm like oh no its hacked. What pisses me off more is that my precious latios I traded him he goes and offers it right away and put in his signature:

(Offering shiny flawless ;381; )

And my Latios had terrible IVs it wasn't flawless. and I remember hime saying he had a lot of these exact skarmorys and there going like crazy so I'm like no that's not fare he's scamming other people.

Wrath89
26th May 2011, 3:50 AM
Username of Scammer: tyty
In-game name: Didn't give to me
FC: 0862-4107-7661
What Happened: So I traded with this jerk and look at the Flawless Shiny Skarmory he traded me and notice its its location caught at said (----------) then I'm see the egg moves. Wich are stealth rock, whirlwind, roost, and brave bird and I'm pretty sure it can't get all these moves at one time (yet again IDK) so I'm like oh no its hacked. What pisses me off more is that my precious latios I traded him he goes and offers it right away and put in his signature:

(Offering shiny flawless ;381; )

And my Latios had terrible IVs it wasn't flawless. and I remember hime saying he had a lot of these exact skarmorys and there going like crazy so I'm like no that's not fare he's scamming other people.

Yeah, as far as I know, anything with the ---------- location is a hack. If he refuses to trade back, he should definitely be blacklisted. However, I'm pretty sure it can get all of those moves in the 4th gen by teaching Stealth Rock and Roost with a TM

JinMo92
26th May 2011, 3:51 AM
A skarmory can learn all those as egg moves if it is bred with a male skarmory with those moves. I know, because I breed skarmory with those egg moves. As for location, it is hacked because no locations would say ----------------------. Instead, it should say Day-Care hatched on Route___ in the summary. Other than that, it is hacked because skarmory cannot be caught with those egg moves. It can only be bred.

White_Stoner30
26th May 2011, 4:02 AM
A skarmory can learn all those as egg moves if it is bred with a male skarmory with those moves. I know, because I breed skarmory with those egg moves. As for location, it is hacked because no locations would say ----------------------. Instead, it should say Day-Care hatched on Route___ in the summary. Other than that, it is hacked because skarmory cannot be caught with those egg moves. It can only be bred.

Thanks for the info really appriciate it I miss my latios lol at least one good thing came out of this I can breed it for skarmorys with good IV's and Egg moves. But he has a lot of these hacked skarmorys and he's trading them to other people that ain't fair :(

White_Stoner30
26th May 2011, 4:03 AM
A skarmory can learn all those as egg moves if it is bred with a male skarmory with those moves. I know, because I breed skarmory with those egg moves. As for location, it is hacked because no locations would say ----------------------. Instead, it should say Day-Care hatched on Route___ in the summary. Other than that, it is hacked because skarmory cannot be caught with those egg moves. It can only be bred.

Thanks for the info really appriciate it I miss my latios lol at least one good thing came out of this I can breed it for skarmorys with good IV's and Egg moves. But he has a lot of these hacked skarmorys and he's trading them to other people that ain't fair :(

White_Stoner30
26th May 2011, 4:04 AM
Sorry about the double post my computer has been like this all day.....dangit this makes 3 post

JinMo92
26th May 2011, 5:18 AM
If it is hacked, don't breed it or you will get bad eggs, which it will not hatch and it cannot be deleted.

tyty
26th May 2011, 9:23 PM
Just wanted to let you know, I'm not a scammer. A.) Sorry I advertised it as flawless. Was an honest mistake, I was trading for something else flawless at the same time B.) Those skarmories are legit to the fullest of my knowledge. I got them in a trade in 4th generation, traded them to a friend who cloned them USING THE GTS METHOD, and then transferred to 5th generation and traded them to my white game. If you want a refund, so be it, but please PM me first. Those skarmories are probably rngd and I have one right now that shows that it arrived at level 1. I can probably upload a picture if you want.

Wrath89
26th May 2011, 9:41 PM
Just wanted to let you know, I'm not a scammer. A.) You told me the latios was flawless. B.) Those skarmories are legit to the fullest of my knowledge. I got them in a trade in 4th generation, traded them to a friend who cloned them USING THE GTS METHOD, and then transferred to 5th generation and traded them to my white game. If you want a refund, so be it, but please PM me first. Those skarmories are probably rngd and I have one right now that shows that it arrived at level 1. I can probably upload a picture if you want.

I'm pretty certain that the only way their origin would be displayed like that is because they are hacks. Unless you can provide proof that legitimate Pokemon can have that (though I doubt there is any), you should not trade them.

White_Stoner30
26th May 2011, 10:44 PM
Just wanted to let you know, I'm not a scammer. A.) Sorry I advertised it as flawless. Was an honest mistake, I was trading for something else flawless at the same time B.) Those skarmories are legit to the fullest of my knowledge. I got them in a trade in 4th generation, traded them to a friend who cloned them USING THE GTS METHOD, and then transferred to 5th generation and traded them to my white game. If you want a refund, so be it, but please PM me first. Those skarmories are probably rngd and I have one right now that shows that it arrived at level 1. I can probably upload a picture if you want.

Upload a picture. If u got it from 4th gen it should say Sinnoh or Johto or Hoen not ------. And yes I do want a refund

Blackacer
27th May 2011, 8:24 AM
Just wanted to let you know, I'm not a scammer. A.) Sorry I advertised it as flawless. Was an honest mistake, I was trading for something else flawless at the same time B.) Those skarmories are legit to the fullest of my knowledge. I got them in a trade in 4th generation, traded them to a friend who cloned them USING THE GTS METHOD, and then transferred to 5th generation and traded them to my white game. If you want a refund, so be it, but please PM me first. Those skarmories are probably rngd and I have one right now that shows that it arrived at level 1. I can probably upload a picture if you want.

As far as i read , the "VICTIM" claimed the place it was caught is -------- and so , if the "VICTIM" get us a picture that proofs its -------- its obvously is hacked. And if u have found out it was not flawless u could PM him and do a exchange. But instead u kept silence , which gives u the higher chance of being a scammer.

Filipasian1423
27th May 2011, 11:04 AM
Just wanted to let you know, I'm not a scammer. A.) Sorry I advertised it as flawless. Was an honest mistake, I was trading for something else flawless at the same time B.) Those skarmories are legit to the fullest of my knowledge. I got them in a trade in 4th generation, traded them to a friend who cloned them USING THE GTS METHOD, and then transferred to 5th generation and traded them to my white game. If you want a refund, so be it, but please PM me first. Those skarmories are probably rngd and I have one right now that shows that it arrived at level 1. I can probably upload a picture if you want.

Im sorry tyty but ill have to agree with blacklacer. So far you have not shown any evidence that you are not a scammer. Youre "B.)" doesnt prove anything as you got it in a trade and the gts method has nothing to do with it. Even if someone uses ar clone the pokemon will still be legit. It was just cloned unlegally. Also we're not talking about the level it arrived at, we're talking about its location and how it doesnt even have a location but instead ---------. Also even if it was rngd it would still have a location.

Blackacer
27th May 2011, 11:28 AM
Im sorry tyty but ill have to agree with blacklacer. So far you have not shown any evidence that you are not a scammer. Youre "B.)" doesnt prove anything as you got it in a trade and the gts method has nothing to do with it. Even if someone uses ar clone the pokemon will still be legit. It was just cloned unlegally. Also we're not talking about the level it arrived at, we're talking about its location and how it doesnt even have a location but instead ---------. Also even if it was rngd it would still have a location.

Yes , thanks for agree-ing with me. But again , even pokemon that is cloned using GTS or AR should not give problems like this. And even if the pokemon does not belong to you , you should have known of its legitness since u said u pass from 4th gen - 5th gen means u should have been together with it for quite sometime , so i cant rule out the possibility that you scammed him. So it would be best if you both provide picture of both sides.

Wrath89
27th May 2011, 1:17 PM
Transferring from a 4th to 5th generation by no means suggests he had it for a long time, but even if he did, it's very possible he may not have known about it. I only discovered about a month back that I had a couple of Pokemon like this too. This error does not show up until the switch to a 5th gen game, so if he traded for it in the 4th gen, it would look completely legit. I don't think there's enough evidence to suggest tyty was intentionally scamming anyone, and as long as he is willing to do the trade back and not try to trade any more of these, there's no reason his name on here can't go unblemished.

tyty
27th May 2011, 8:33 PM
Thats exactly what happened, actually. I didnt notice it in fourth generation and we're doing a trade back. if you notice I took the offer out of my sig.

Abstinence Pistols
27th May 2011, 10:34 PM
Transferring from a 4th to 5th generation by no means suggests he had it for a long time, but even if he did, it's very possible he may not have known about it. I only discovered about a month back that I had a couple of Pokemon like this too. This error does not show up until the switch to a 5th gen game, so if he traded for it in the 4th gen, it would look completely legit. I don't think there's enough evidence to suggest tyty was intentionally scamming anyone, and as long as he is willing to do the trade back and not try to trade any more of these, there's no reason his name on here can't go unblemished.

Yes. I got a hacked tru shaymin a few weeks ago, and it showed nothing in soul silver but got this when transferred to fifth gen.

Lestart
27th May 2011, 11:40 PM
Everyone BEWARE of this guy Chrome919, we decided to trade his Heatran and Cresselia for my Darkrai, I traded my Darkrai for his Heatran but after that he just end the trade and not trade me with the promised Cresselia. He PM me later saying that he would trade me the Cresselia later but did not reply to any of my further PMs on when it would take place.

I have all the private messages if you need prove but please BEWARE of Chrome919.
Not unless he really trade me back my Darkrai or give me the Cresselia, I will not remove this post.

Wrath89
28th May 2011, 12:10 AM
So I had a Scyther I just evolved into a Scizor. It had Technician before it evolved but after it had Swarm. I didn't think that was possible. Does anyone happen to know if this means the Scyther was hacked or if this is normal? I have never heard of this happening.

Lestart
28th May 2011, 1:27 AM
Is there anyway to get the person that scammed me banned? Or is he just allowed to scam others for their hard earned pokemons?

King Lawliet
28th May 2011, 1:29 AM
Is there anyway to get the person that scammed me banned? Or is he just allowed to scam others for their hard earned pokemons?
How long have you been waiting for their reply?

Lestart
28th May 2011, 1:31 AM
How long have you been waiting for their reply?

I have been waiting for the person since 5 hrs ago, and he is ONLINE, it shows on his profile. But he does not want to reply my msges. Instead he is doing other private msging with others. I do not want others to get scammed by him too.

King Lawliet
28th May 2011, 1:37 AM
I have been waiting for the person since 5 hrs ago, and he is ONLINE, it shows on his profile. But he does not want to reply my msges. Instead he is doing other private msging with others. I do not want others to get scammed by him too.
Here was me thinking you were going to say something like a week or something like that. Have a bit of patience as there may be other reasons why they haven't responded yet. Doesn't necessarily mean they are trying to scam you.

Lestart
28th May 2011, 1:43 AM
Here was me thinking you were going to say something like a week or something like that. Have a bit of patience as there may be other reasons why they haven't responded yet. Doesn't necessarily mean they are trying to scam you.

If he would to at least reply when we are going to trade, it shows that he is not scamming but not replying to all my msgs? Isn't that something fishy when he is viewing his private msges yet not replying to me at all?

I just need a simple answer on when he wants to trade, but he could not give me that. Do we have to wait till 1 week and he scams more ppl then take action?

I showed a leap of faith in trusting that ppl will honour their words, but now I see it, it seems that ppl don't deserved it.

http://www.serebiiforums.com/member.php?u=236346

This is his profile, you can see I tried posting so many times and yet no reply at all to me.

Wrath89
28th May 2011, 1:53 AM
If you messaged me that many times, I would ignore you for a while too. Don't spaz out.

Lestart
28th May 2011, 2:00 AM
If you messaged me that many times, I would ignore you for a while too. Don't spaz out.

I posted with hours differences, and only when I see him online, isn't this obvious it is a scam already? If someone is serious about trading the person would have replied or said at least one word to ensure that the trade is still on or he or she is serious about honoring it. From what I see, the person just wants to brush it off and not reply me at all.

I am the victim here yet I could not do anything about it, and watch him trade my hard earned pokemon with others. How would you feel if you are cheated like that?

He is so eager to trade with me before I traded with him by replying all messages promptly but after doing the trade, he immediately hide offline and not reply to any of it. So am I supposed to think that this is not a scam?

Wrath89
28th May 2011, 2:04 AM
No, I don't think anything is obvious at this point. I can see why you would be paranoid, but seeing how it hasn't even been a day, you're overreacting. Give it a couple days, and if you still don't hear from him, then you might have a case.

Lestart
28th May 2011, 2:09 AM
No, I don't think anything is obvious at this point. I can see why you would be paranoid, but seeing how it hasn't even been a day, you're overreacting. Give it a couple days, and if you still don't hear from him, then you might have a case.

But isn't it weird that before our agreement to trade, he kept msging me and telling me to go to the WFC as he is there, and then after he traded with me, he straight away cancel the 2nd trade and go offline, even though I initiated it?

I am not paranoid but I know when I have been scammed, and this is a obvious case.

And it wouldn't take more than a minute to do the second trade straight anyway, I have been doing it with others for quite a few times and nothing happened till now.

Penguinsftw
28th May 2011, 2:10 AM
So I had a Scyther I just evolved into a Scizor. It had Technician before it evolved but after it had Swarm. I didn't think that was possible. Does anyone happen to know if this means the Scyther was hacked or if this is normal? I have never heard of this happening.

Im sure it evolved form changes form
My DW poliwag had some other ability
but when it leveled up into Politoed it had drizzle ;D
My elekid had Static At electivire it has Motor Drive

King Lawliet
28th May 2011, 2:13 AM
Im sure it evolved form changes form
My DW poliwag had some other ability
but when it leveled up into Politoed it had drizzle ;D
My elekid had Static At electivire it has Motor Drive
Scizors can have Technician.

Wrath89
28th May 2011, 2:15 AM
Scizors can have Technician.

Yeah that was my point. I have no idea why it would change.

Blackacer
28th May 2011, 2:15 AM
Is there anyway to get the person that scammed me banned? Or is he just allowed to scam others for their hard earned pokemons?


I have been waiting for the person since 5 hrs ago, and he is ONLINE, it shows on his profile. But he does not want to reply my msges. Instead he is doing other private msging with others. I do not want others to get scammed by him too.

Maybe hes doing something else , well i have a bad habbit of watching animr while nego-ing :P so have abit of paitence , some people hates spammer and we are here from different parts of the world with totally different time zone i suggest u to wait at least 10 hour or so. If he still did not reply , all u do is pm a mod to come here and settle it with him blacklisted for scamming

King Lawliet
28th May 2011, 2:17 AM
Yeah that was my point. I have no idea why it would change.
I recall seeing not too long ago that yes it's possible if the Scyther originally came from a Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald cart or something along those lines

JinMo92
28th May 2011, 2:19 AM
Everyone BEWARE of this guy Chrome919, we decided to trade his Heatran and Cresselia for my Darkrai, I traded my Darkrai for his Heatran but after that he just end the trade and not trade me with the promised Cresselia. He PM me later saying that he would trade me the Cresselia later but did not reply to any of my further PMs on when it would take place.

I have all the private messages if you need prove but please BEWARE of Chrome919.
Not unless he really trade me back my Darkrai or give me the Cresselia, I will not remove this post.

Maybe Chrome919 was away while you sent him the messages. You should check on his last activity and the time when you send the pm's.


So I had a Scyther I just evolved into a Scizor. It had Technician before it evolved but after it had Swarm. I didn't think that was possible. Does anyone happen to know if this means the Scyther was hacked or if this is normal? I have never heard of this happening.

Abilities should never change in any circumstances.

Lestart
28th May 2011, 2:20 AM
Maybe hes doing something else , well i have a bad habbit of watching animr while nego-ing :P so have abit of paitence , some people hates spammer and we are here from different parts of the world with totally different time zone i suggest u to wait at least 10 hour or so. If he still did not reply , all u do is pm a mod to come here and settle it with him blacklisted for scamming

Er the problem is we traded first then immediately after I initiated the second trade, he cancelled it. Why would he do that in the first place? I am sure it would not take him more than 30 seconds to finish the whole second trade. Why wait till later when we have to waste more time going into the room and communicating with each other again? And I told him I needed the pokemon as I am doing another trade with my friend with that pokemon, that's why I wanted to trade with him in the first place.

Now I have to find another Cresselia to trade with my friend and I do not even have the pokedex for it.

Cassiopeia
28th May 2011, 2:21 AM
Abilities should never change in any circumstances.
UNLESS it was migrated from FR/LG/R/S/E (that had only one ability) into a fourth gen game, then poketransfered over, iirc

Lestart
28th May 2011, 2:22 AM
Maybe Chrome919 was away while you sent him the messages. You should check on his last activity and the time when you send the pm's.



Abilities should never change in any circumstances.

Checked already, he was on 2 times, and both times I PMed him before that, but he just went offline even though I PMed him. You can see the timing of his last activity and the time I posted on his wall.

Wrath89
28th May 2011, 2:23 AM
I recall seeing not too long ago that yes it's possible if the Scyther originally came from a Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald cart or something along those lines

Yeah, I'd heard that, but it says the origin of the Scizor is Sinnoh so I ruled that out.

Abstinence Pistols
28th May 2011, 2:29 AM
So I had a Scyther I just evolved into a Scizor. It had Technician before it evolved but after it had Swarm. I didn't think that was possible. Does anyone happen to know if this means the Scyther was hacked or if this is normal? I have never heard of this happening.

Hmm.. Technically, the Scizor should still have swarm, but I don't think it's really an indicator that it's hacked. Anyway, I prefer technician to swarm, personally.

Blackacer
28th May 2011, 2:37 AM
Er the problem is we traded first then immediately after I initiated the second trade, he cancelled it. Why would he do that in the first place? I am sure it would not take him more than 30 seconds to finish the whole second trade. Why wait till later when we have to waste more time going into the room and communicating with each other again? And I told him I needed the pokemon as I am doing another trade with my friend with that pokemon, that's why I wanted to trade with him in the first place.

Now I have to find another Cresselia to trade with my friend and I do not even have the pokedex for it.
That makes sence that he could be a scammer. But once again pokemon black and white has some wifi bugs , i experienced disconnection of internet. Well the only thing u could do now is , pm him and tell him that you have posted in the trade blacklist that he is a scammer. Be might come , so then you guys work out something if not , pm a mod to tell im come here so that the mod couldbe the "JUDGE" to see whos wrong and right. And again , im not trying to help both sides as im not sure of the full story. It would be best if you guys could settle this outside of the blacklist thread , but if he stills refuse to do so get him blacklisted to warn all the trader is all we can do to scammer.

JinMo92
28th May 2011, 2:37 AM
Checked already, he was on 2 times, and both times I PMed him before that, but he just went offline even though I PMed him. You can see the timing of his last activity and the time I posted on his wall.

like J-Myc said, give him a day and wait until he responds and see his reason for not completing the trade.


Yeah, I'd heard that, but it says the origin of the Scizor is Sinnoh so I ruled that out.

This is the blacklist thread for people who got scammed. Were you evolving your Scizor's with someone else on this forum? The person you were trading with might have returned the wrong scizor.

Wrath89
28th May 2011, 2:38 AM
Hmm.. Technically, the Scizor should still have swarm, but I don't think it's really an indicator that it's hacked. Anyway, I prefer technician to swarm, personally.

I prefer Technician to Swarm too. That's why I'm not happy that it originally had Technician and it now has Swarm.


This is the blacklist thread for people who got scammed. Were you evolving your Scizor's with someone else on this forum? The person you were trading with might have returned the wrong scizor.

I'm aware of that. Yes, I received it from someone on this forum, and I am trying to figure out if this is a hack. It had Technician. Now it evolved and has Swarm. It is not from a 3rd gen game. I'm trying to figure out if it is possible for it to be legit.

Blackacer
28th May 2011, 2:45 AM
That scizor was not hacked as u see , when it evolves it could have chances of going Swarm or Technician take a look

Abilities:

Swarm
Raises the power of Scizor's Bug-type attacks by 1.5x while Scizor has 1/3 or less of its maximum HP (rounded down). Out of battle: If Scizor is your lead Pokemon, the encounter rate for wild Pokemon is increased.

Technician
Any of Scizor's attacks that have a base power of 60 or less does 1.5x as much damage. This includes attacks such as Hidden Power or Magnitude when their power is 60 or less.


Dream World-only Ability:

Light Metal
Scizor's weight is considered 1/2 its usual weight, which affects attacks such as Low Kick, Grass Knot, etc.

BTW i are not allowed to post here to check hacked pokemon.
if im not wrong theres a Hack - Check thread , because u are not aware of it hacked or u have been scam so u might get infraction for posting not related stuff here.

JinMo92
28th May 2011, 2:46 AM
When you had the scyther with metal coat, was it yours(your own OT) or was it the person you were trading with? like you said before, it came from Shinoh, so it shouldn't have any issues with its ability to change to Swarm. The only issue I could see from this is that the scizor you have gotten back is a different Sczior with a different ability.


That scizor was not hacked as u see , when it evolves it could have chances of going Swarm or Technician take a look

Abilities:

Swarm
Raises the power of Scizor's Bug-type attacks by 1.5x while Scizor has 1/3 or less of its maximum HP (rounded down). Out of battle: If Scizor is your lead Pokemon, the encounter rate for wild Pokemon is increased.

Technician
Any of Scizor's attacks that have a base power of 60 or less does 1.5x as much damage. This includes attacks such as Hidden Power or Magnitude when their power is 60 or less.


Dream World-only Ability:

Light Metal
Scizor's weight is considered 1/2 its usual weight, which affects attacks such as Low Kick, Grass Knot, etc.
.

According to Bulbapedia in the abilities section, abilities should not have changed from going Technican to swarm from trading or evolving.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ability

Blacklacer is correct, this isn't a hack check thread lol

Vandslaux
28th May 2011, 2:50 AM
My Scyther had Technician when I traded, when evolved, had Technician. I got an 89 BT streak (lost to a CB Staraptor's Brave Bird) with it before I poketransfered it.

Wrath89
28th May 2011, 2:51 AM
When you had the scyther with metal coat, was it yours(your own OT) or was it the person you were trading with? like you said before, it came from Shinoh, so it shouldn't have any issues with its ability to change to Swarm. The only issue I could see from this is that the scizor you have gotten back is a different Sczior with a different ability.

I am not referring to the trade that was used to evolve it. I traded with my brother who does not even own a Scizor. I'm referring to the guy I originally got the Scyther from about a week ago. I believe it must be hacked as I can't see any other reason for the change in ability since they are not supposed to change with evolution, but before I named the guy and started making accusations, I did want to first make sure I was not wrong.

Vandslaux
28th May 2011, 2:57 AM
Have I been scammed?

So, I was restarting my Black, sent over my Reshiram, Reuniclus, Zoroark, Musharna, Chandelure, Krookodile, Emboar, and many others (16 in total) to store until I could trade back for them on my new game. This was a week ago. It's been 3 days since they were online, and they haven't responded all week. I've repetitively PMed them. I've also checked my notifications to see if I hopefully got an answer. I hope I wasn't scammed, they asked me for a Zorua egg, and my Zoroark was Timid and level 55 with Dark Pulse.

Blackacer
28th May 2011, 3:06 AM
Wrath89 : Personally i suggest u to post that in hack check thread because if u dint , and a mods come to check u might get both Infaction on "Out of topic according to the thread" Or "Flooding" .


Also remember this is only to report scammers. If you want to know if your Pokemon is hacked, find the thread in the main forum.

x_vandslaux_x : If u think that u have been scammed fill them out.
Username of Scammer
In-Game Name
Friend Code
What happened (post the story of what happened here, including all evidence you may have)

DarkStar66
28th May 2011, 3:58 AM
@Blackacer - You didn't feel like trading because your clan got deleted which had nothing to do with the trade. Then you didn't even show up the next day. Your thread says "UT" so the Mew you traded me should not have pokerus/changed moves/1 exp(?). Please look at the date in which I posted my report and when you received that massive quote tower. That whole consersation was over a course of 2 days and most of it was not included in my orginal post because it wasn't available.

Blackacer
28th May 2011, 4:16 AM
@DarkStar66 : its not me who dint want to trade back , u said u we trade again the next day at 8.30pm (GMT +8) My time. It been 5-7 days and i dont see any pm from you regarding trade backs. So if u want to say "You didn't feel like trading because your clan got deleted which had nothing to do with the trade." How about saying u dint want i back as u dint pm me. I dont count pokerus as touched , well if its ur case ur problem. Read the OT if its belong to me , and do u think i would check EVERY SINGLE pokemon i got from trade? It would be the same as wasting time. If you say i dint want to trade back , why not saying u dint pm me a SINGLE MESSAGE since then as u said we trade 8.30PM. Well , im going oversea for 11 days soon , if u still want to take your own sweet time so be it , i wont be trading for the whole 11 days. "because your clan got deleted which had nothing to do with the trade. " thats my problem not yours. Read the rules , Patience..

Wrath89
28th May 2011, 4:18 AM
Well if you're both online now, do it now. Don't sit here arguing about it.