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GalladeRocks
4th March 2011, 6:19 AM
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Alright, I've got my final plans for my Black Version team prior release. As I've said in my threads before, I won't be using egg moves or Dream World abilities, so please don't suggest them. I'm just making sure that I've got my team set up as good as I can get it, so if you see the same team I've posted here before...you're probably not imagining it.

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Samurott
-Torrent-
-Surf
-Megahorn
-Ice Beam
-Return

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Leavanny
-Swarm-
-Leaf Blade
-X-Scissor
-Aerial Ace
-Swords Dance

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Darmanitan
-Sheer Force-
-Flare Blitz
-Brick Break
-Rock Slide
-Earthquake

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Krookodile
-Moxie-
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Crunch
-Hone Claws

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Eelektross
-Levitate-
-Thunderbolt
-Flamethrower
-Grass Knot
-Thunder Wave

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Haxorus
-Mold Breaker-
-Dragon Dance
-Dragon Claw
-Rock Slide
-Earthquake

Comments would be greatly appreciated.

Zhanton
4th March 2011, 6:27 AM
Your team looks pretty solid. I'd go with Return over Revenge on Samurott for the Water/Normal coverage.

Bulk Up is an option on Krookodile over Dragon Claw. With Haxorus I don't think Dragon Claw edit; on Krookodileis really that necessary, tbh.

Wildfyre
4th March 2011, 6:28 AM
Well, I have a few things:

Samurott. Now, I was thinking you were going special with him, but then I saw Return/Revenge. I prefer a physical based set myself, and am planning on using this:

-Swords Dance
-Aqua Jet
-Megahorn/X-Scissor
-Ice Beam

As you can see, This is more Atk then SpAtk, with Swords Dance. Aqua Jet for low speed, and with a couple SD's will be VERY powerful. Megahorn & Ice Beam for grass types.

Krookodile:
His set looks good, the only thing to change would be the ability. Overconfidence is better then Intimidate.

EDIT: No don't take off Dragon Claw for Hax, and maybe switch Rock Slide with Brick Break (cuz both cover ice, but RS has similar coverage as EQ.)

kaiser soze
4th March 2011, 6:43 AM
I'd say revenge over return (it will also be on my samurott). I prefer using something that can be supereffective. and you dont have much fighting on your team too

Zhanton
4th March 2011, 6:52 AM
Well, I have a few things:

Samurott. Now, I was thinking you were going special with him, but then I saw Return/Revenge. I prefer a physical based set myself, and am planning on using this:

-Swords Dance
-Aqua Jet
-Megahorn/X-Scissor
-Ice Beam

As you can see, This is more Atk then SpAtk, with Swords Dance. Aqua Jet for low speed, and with a couple SD's will be VERY powerful. Megahorn & Ice Beam for grass types.

Krookodile:
His set looks good, the only thing to change would be the ability. Overconfidence is better then Intimidate.

EDIT: No don't take off Dragon Claw for Hax, and maybe switch Rock Slide with Brick Break (cuz both cover ice, but RS has similar coverage as EQ.)
What I meant by that is with Haxorus you don't really need to have Krookodile knowing Dragon Claw as well.
Keep Rock Slide and EQ on Haxorus, as QuakeSlide gets incredible coverage.


I'd say revenge over return (it will also be on my samurott). I prefer using something that can be supereffective. and you dont have much fighting on your team too

Water + Return get near perfect coverage. IIRC, the only pre-Gen V Pokemon the combination can't hit for normal damage was Empoleon. Of course, with Jellicent w/Water Absorb, there's another Pokemon which can't be hit by Normal+Water, but still the coverage you gain from Normal is beneficial.

GalladeRocks
5th March 2011, 2:16 AM
I'm going for a mixed set on Samurott, so I'm planning on going with Surf, Megahorn, Ice Beam, and Return, rather than going for physical. After all, four of my other five Pokemon are physically based, so making Samurott mixed or special is my best bet, by my reckoning.

As for Krookodile, I'm still not sure which ability to go with. Wildfyre, you're the only person who's ever suggested Moxie to me over Intimidate, but nobody's ever specifically told me which to go with. So for now, I'll just consider both. Also, I've been told that Hone Claws can work too. So which would be better: Bulk Up or Hone Claws?

gyaradosuseddragonrage!
5th March 2011, 2:20 AM
Water + Return get near perfect coverage. IIRC, the only pre-Gen V Pokemon the combination can't hit for normal damage was Empoleon. Of course, with Jellicent w/Water Absorb, there's another Pokemon which can't be hit by Normal+Water, but still the coverage you gain from Normal is beneficial.

It's Empoleon, Jellicent (With or without WA), Dialga, and Shedinja.


I'm going for a mixed set on Samurott, so I'm planning on going with Surf, Megahorn, Ice Beam, and Return, rather than going for physical. After all, four of my other five Pokemon are physically based, so making Samurott mixed or special is my best bet, by my reckoning.

As for Krookodile, I'm still not sure which ability to go with. Wildfyre, you're the only person who's ever suggested Moxie to me over Intimidate, but nobody's ever specifically told me which to go with. So for now, I'll just consider both. Also, I've been told that Hone Claws can work too. So which would be better: Bulk Up or Hone Claws?

If you are going mixed, Surf/Aqua Jet/Megahorn or Ice Beam/Return is recommended. Krookodile wants Moxie and Bulk Up and Hone Claws can both work pretty well.

GalladeRocks
5th March 2011, 2:35 AM
Moxie over Intimidate on Krookodile. Got it!

Torpoleon
5th March 2011, 2:52 AM
With Bulk Up & Hone Claws, Bulk Up increases Attack & Defense by one stage while Hone Claws increases Attack & Accuracy by one stage. The only move from your Krookodile with less than 100% accuracy (on a normal basis) is Stone Edge with 80% accuracy. Krookodile's Defense is OK in my opinion, so it is tough between Bulk Up & Hone Claws. I'd suggest Hone Claws, or if you really can't decide, just flip a coin.

GalladeRocks
5th March 2011, 3:17 AM
Funny, Torp, I'd never seen you around these parts before. Nice suggestion, though, I wasn't thinking about it that deeply. Krookodile has decent enough Defense that it could do without Bulk Up, but the only one that gets an accuracy boost from it is Stone Edge. I'm leaning towards Hone Claws...anyone else with an opinion?

Torpoleon
5th March 2011, 1:40 PM
Yeah, but I did look at your thread and noticed somethings I could help you with.

With Darmanitan, I noticed Rock Slide on it too. It does have 80% accuracy. Mine is going to have Facade in case if you might have been thinking about an alternative with better accuracy. Rock Slide's power is only greater my five and Facade's power increases when induced with Burn, Poison & Paralyze. Also, I don't think Flare Blitz's bad effect goes away with Sheer Force. Serebii doesn't say anything about it. If Flare Blitz still has the effect of losing health with Sheer Force, a good alternative is Fire Punch.

With Samurott, Megahorn is VERY powerful, but it also has low accuracy. X-Scissor (which is what mine will have) has a power of 80%, I believe, with 100% accuracy on a normal basis.

Eelektross, Leavanny & Krookodile are fine. You just need to figure out if you'll use Bulk Up or Hone Claws.

For Haxorus, I don't know why you need Dragon Dance because it has good speed (if you are lucky if to get a good nature, otherwise it's speed is still fine) and great attack. There is also Rock Slide to deal with that it has lower accuracy. Good alternatives for these moves could be Brick Break, Shadow Claw, X-Scissor & Poison Jab. Brick Break still takes care of Ice Types and a lot more. Shadow Claw, X-Scissor & Poison Jab are great moves with good coverage.

Aurath8
5th March 2011, 3:09 PM
Yeah, but I did look at your thread and noticed somethings I could help you with.

With Darmanitan, I noticed Rock Slide on it too. It does have 80% accuracy. Mine is going to have Facade in case if you might have been thinking about an alternative with better accuracy. Rock Slide's power is only greater my five and Facade's power increases when induced with Burn, Poison & Paralyze. Also, I don't think Flare Blitz's bad effect goes away with Sheer Force. Serebii doesn't say anything about it. If Flare Blitz still has the effect of losing health with Sheer Force, a good alternative is Fire Punch.

Rock Slide has 90% accuracy. Darmanitan cannot be burned and when paralyzed Darmanitan is frail, slow and an easy target. Flare Blitz recoil isn't negated but the chance to Burn is. The most powerful Flare blitz is hard to pass up still.


With Samurott, Megahorn is VERY powerful, but it also has low accuracy. X-Scissor (which is what mine will have) has a power of 80%, I believe, with 100% accuracy on a normal basis.

Power isn't measured in percentage...

For Haxorus, I don't know why you need Dragon Dance because it has good speed (if you are lucky if to get a good nature, otherwise it's speed is still fine) and great attack. There is also Rock Slide to deal with that it has lower accuracy. Good alternatives for these moves could be Brick Break, Shadow Claw, X-Scissor & Poison Jab. Brick Break still takes care of Ice Types and a lot more. Shadow Claw, X-Scissor & Poison Jab are great moves with good coverage.
Haxorus' speed is good, but not great and it can till be outsped. Dragon Dance allows it not only to boost its speed so high that only stuff like Deoxys outspeeds it, but also boost its attack so high, anything it touches not called Skarmory will die.
Rock Slide is used for its great synergy with Earthquake and 90% accuracy etc.
Also only Brick Break(which is awful with Earthquake) actually gets more supereffective's than Rock Slide. Poison Jab gets one against grass, usually paired with Poison or another type that makes them neutral to Poison.
As if they scare a Dragon type anyway.

**** you Poison Jab.
I say go with Hone Claws on Krookodile since Stone Edge isn't to good without it.

snakebit
5th March 2011, 5:08 PM
100 is just the base power level right ?

but your team is interesting

GalladeRocks
5th March 2011, 5:51 PM
Alright, my final decisions have been made. Thanks everybody!