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BLMNDEF
10th April 2011, 3:27 PM
Personally, I think Alder is just as Bug-type as Lance is Dragon-type. Lance's team consists of 3 dragon types, three flying types. Alder's team consists of three bug types, an ice type, a dragon type, and a normal type. Yeah, I know flying is like dragon, but I think it would just be really cool to have a bug-type champ.

RaZoR LeAf
10th April 2011, 3:38 PM
Lance team consists of Dragon and Pseudo-Dragon types. Aerodactyl, Charizard, Gyarados, they're all dragon like and can learn numerous dragon type moves.

Alder's other pokemon are not Pseudo-Bug. A Buffalo, a Dragon and an Ice-Cream.

A.O.D.X WISE X KID
10th April 2011, 3:48 PM
/\ I laugh at the trueness of you answer RaZoR LeAf.

But a Bug type leader might be a little underwhelming. Fire move every single time with a high enough level you beat the chamipon with only 6 moves!

BLABO
10th April 2011, 3:57 PM
Alder is bug type i mean look at the rest of the elite 4 the five types bug dark psychic and ghost are all kind of grouped together dont you think?

2D Thom
10th April 2011, 4:30 PM
i would say bug also.

ChrisKoala
10th April 2011, 4:34 PM
What if Alder was a Bug Catcher when he was younger? Unova has no Bug Catchers. Alder was probably the only one.

Monochromatic
10th April 2011, 4:35 PM
Alder is a Champion. Just like Cynthia your Rival in FR/LG. Yes, he has three bug types, but it's obvious that's not his focus. He doesn't say anything about it, he doesn't even hint to it. Doesn't belong to any specific typing, IMO.

Haunter ゴースト
10th April 2011, 4:37 PM
Variety.

Their is no specific type, maybe there is two bug pokemon, that doesn't make him a specialist on bugs lol.

ToeyJoey
10th April 2011, 4:38 PM
I think it's just that he has three bug-types. What Razor Leaf said makes sense.

Neekerisanni123
10th April 2011, 4:50 PM
Or maybe Alder is really a Bug Catcher.

Darkmaster Rannon
10th April 2011, 4:53 PM
And I'm the only one here who thinks his Pokémon that died was a Zoroa/Zoroark? It's that hair... THE HAIR!

....Or what it's revealed that he's really a Zoroark and his entire team had been illusions?

rykerr1
10th April 2011, 4:55 PM
I don't think his focus is bug types. The three he has all add some extra type to his team other than bug (steel for Escavalier and fire for Volcarona). I think he is more focused on variety, like Cynthia, than a specific type like Lance.

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
10th April 2011, 4:57 PM
And I'm the only one here who thinks his Pokémon that died was a Zoroa/Zoroark? It's that hair... THE HAIR!

....Or what it's revealed that he's really a Zoroark and his entire team had been illusions?

Yes, you're alone.

Darkmaster Rannon
10th April 2011, 5:05 PM
Yes, you're alone.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/forever%20alone/Ellicecutie/forever-alone-face.png?o=1

gyaradosuseddragonrage!
10th April 2011, 5:05 PM
The game never said his partner Pokemon died, they just said it was suffering from sickness and it worsened, so saying it died would be a logical inference but not necessarily true.

Nevertheless, he is not bug. He is variety. He doesn't mention the word Bug even.

Darkmaster Rannon
10th April 2011, 5:15 PM
The game never said his partner Pokemon died, they just said it was suffering from sickness and it worsened, so saying it died would be a logical inference but not necessarily true.

Nevertheless, he is not bug. He is variety. He doesn't mention the word Bug even.

That's why he mourns the loss of it at the Pokémon graveyard, because it's clearly still alive.

Like Gary's Raticate...

Charaligatr
10th April 2011, 5:27 PM
The game never said his partner Pokemon died, they just said it was suffering from sickness and it worsened, so saying it died would be a logical inference but not necessarily true.



""My old partner is resting here in the Celestial Tower. It was the first Pokémon I received when I became a Trainer. I come here to ring the bell and comfort its spirit."

Sounds pretty dead to me.

But yeah, just because half his team is composed of bug types doesn't mean that he is a bug type trainer. If his other 3 pokemon had been things that looked bug like despite being other types (Haxorus springs to mind), then maybe, but as Razor Leaf said, they're so different that putting him into a single type of trainer isn't possible.

Porygonq
10th April 2011, 5:29 PM
eh, i thought lance was a flying type trainer
trolo

Silver Totodile
10th April 2011, 6:06 PM
I think he just likes bug type pokémon the most along with other ones.

Personally I hope they change his team in the third version.

Haunter ゴースト
10th April 2011, 6:47 PM
And I'm the only one here who thinks his Pokémon that died was a Zoroa/Zoroark? It's that hair... THE HAIR!

....Or what it's revealed that he's really a Zoroark and his entire team had been illusions?

That is a pretty good point, maybe it is Zorua/Zoroark that would be mint :P

Your alone with the illusion stuff btw lol.

Missingno.Fan
10th April 2011, 7:22 PM
He doesn't have a speciality type, but I think that he just likes bugs.

Richard91
10th April 2011, 7:36 PM
I never really thought of him as a one type Pokemon Champ. But a bug type champ I really dont see that happening

Grei
10th April 2011, 9:16 PM
The difference is that Lance is labeled a Dragon Tamer (or whatever he is described as). That much is made clear in GSCHGSS. Alder is not specified as a "Bug Catcher" or anything related.

Just as Cynthia doubled up the Water-type in Sinnoh, Alder has more than one of the same type on his team in Unova. That doesn't make him a specialist in the Bug-type, especially when, as RaZoR LeAf pointed out, his other Pokemon are not anything close to being bug-like, unlike Lance who had draconian Pokemon.

Burakoru
10th April 2011, 9:24 PM
Grei's got a point.......

TheHauntedOne
10th April 2011, 9:26 PM
He doesn't "focus" on a certain type like the other trainers, which is why he's the champ. Same thing with Blue and Cynthia, they are supposed to have random teams so they're harder to beat, and don't all have one weakness.

My theory: I think he has so many bugs on his team because a) Volcarona can only be seen/obtained via that egg you get (assuming you have the patience to level the darn thing to 59) or if you finish the game and go through the Relic Castle maze. I also think he has Accelgor/Escavalier because they are harder to obtain, due to their obscure evolution method and that not many trainers in-game use those pokemon. I think GF gave him that roster for pokedex completion purposes, really.

Ememew
10th April 2011, 9:59 PM
He seems to be as much a Bug trainer as Steven Stone from Hoenn was a Steel-type specialist (he had three Steels: Skarmory, Aggron, and Metagross, plus a Ground/Psychic Claydol, a Rock/Grass Cradilly, and a Rock/Bug Armaldo). Steven might be a better comparison than Lance.

And his Normal-type does know Megahorn. Plus I'd heard that he might have been named after a bug (Alder moth? If I'm remembering right).

But yeah, I never heard of him being referred to as a Bug-specialist in game. Was Steven ever referred to as a Steel-specialist in-game? I think so, but I'm not sure.

FormeEon
10th April 2011, 11:26 PM
Ok well you know how Lance has Dragon types, along with some pseudo-dragon types,
Red basiccally has the starter pokemon, along with pokemon you have to come across in the 1st gen games,
Steven has Steel type pokemon, along with fossils,(or as others might say he just has pokemon that have to do with rare stones if you believe that his Steel typed pokemon have skin made of a rare metal.)
Wallace has Water type pokemon, that are rumored to take part in the five versions of contests.
Cynthia has pokemon that are rare to the game- and are hard to come by.
Now if you look at the Pokedex's description of Alder's Pokemon, the thing they have in common is having special attributes to their skin.
I know its not exactly something to work with... but I thought it would be interesting for you guys to know.
One other thing is that he's one of the only main champs without a Pseudo legendary pokemon.

fhqwhgads
10th April 2011, 11:31 PM
....Or what it's revealed that he's really a Zoroark and his entire team had been illusions?
Then they would have broken if you attacked them.

And he wouldn't have been able to speak out loud.

And it'd be a pointless 'gimmick' that was ALREADY DONE TWICE in the game.

Red basiccally has the starter pokemon, along with pokemon you have to come across in the 1st gen games
YOU'RE RED.

crystalzapdos
10th April 2011, 11:34 PM
You have to keep in mind that Lance was only like that because at the time there were only a few Dragon types.

Blazios
10th April 2011, 11:37 PM
Agatha's team is entirely Poison, though she's a Ghost trainer. The amount of types on a team doesn't mean anything, though that is admittedly different.

Not only that, but Lance's other Pokémon were at least somewhat draconic, though Vanilluxe, Bouffalant and Druddigon have nothing to do with Bugs.

fhqwhgads
10th April 2011, 11:39 PM
Agatha's team is entirely Poison, though she's a Ghost trainer.
That's because first generation had a whopping single line of Ghosts and ONE Ghost attack.

Not only that, but Lance's other Pokémon were at least somewhat draconic, though Vanilluxe, Bouffalant and Druddigon have nothing to do with Bugs.
That's because Champions have consistently been mixed-type. This is not new.

Blazios
10th April 2011, 11:46 PM
That's because first generation had a whopping single line of Ghosts and ONE Ghost attack.

Hence why I said it was different. Though she could have done with a Banetteor a Dusclops in Gen III as well as Misdreavus...


That's because Champions have consistently been mixed-type. This is not new.

Lance and Steven were specifically said to train Dragon and Steel types, though Alder has had no such statement. As I just said, Lance's Pokémon were all draconic, and Steven's Rock/Ground Pokémon are very close in nature to the Steel type.

And I didn't say it was new. I was only saying it was likely for his team to be mixed type.

fhqwhgads
10th April 2011, 11:50 PM
Lance and Steven were specifically said to train Dragon and Steel types, though Alder has had no such statement. As I just said, Lance's Pokémon were all draconic, and Steven's Rock/Ground Pokémon are very close in nature to the Steel type.
Lance doesn't even matter, he wasn't the Champion originally. He was the fourth E4 member, BLUE was the Champion.

DucksGoMooful
10th April 2011, 11:50 PM
And it'd be a pointless 'gimmick' that was ALREADY DONE TWICE in the game.

AAAHH!! SPOILER ALERT!!



YOU'RE RED.


In Gold/Silver/HG/SS, you can battle Red as he is the "true champion", similar to Steven in Emerald. Don't tell me that you know that, because that is what he was talking about, though you must not have seen it.

fhqwhgads
10th April 2011, 11:53 PM
In Gold/Silver/HG/SS, you can battle Red as he is the "true champion", similar to Steven in Emerald. Don't tell me that you know that, because that is what he was talking about, though you must not have seen it.
Red isn't the Champion in ANY game. Ever. That's like saying Morimoto is the Champion in Unova. No. He's just a strong post-game trainer.

DucksGoMooful
10th April 2011, 11:59 PM
Red isn't the Champion in ANY game. Ever. That's like saying Morimoto is the Champion in Unova. No. He's just a strong post-game trainer.
Don't interrupt me while I'm saying this.

Gold/Silver takes place AFTER Red/Blue, in which the main character, RED, becomes champion. In Gold/Silver, Lance takes over as champion, either because he won a battle against Red or because Red stepped down. After you beat Lance, you have the ability to challenge the most powerful trainer in the game, the previous champion. While he's not technically the champion, he was previously the champion, and therefore he is regarded as one.

Does that explain things?

fhqwhgads
11th April 2011, 12:01 AM
Does that explain things?
He was never the Champion in any game.

DucksGoMooful
11th April 2011, 12:02 AM
He was never the Champion in any game.
I'll explain it again.

In Red/Blue, you play as Red, correct? And at the end of the game, you beat Blue, the champion, and become champion, also correct? So therefore, Red becomes champion, correct?

fhqwhgads
11th April 2011, 12:02 AM
I'll explain it again.

In Red/Blue, you play as Red, correct? And at the end of the game, you beat Blue, the champion, and become champion, also correct? So therefore, Red becomes champion, correct?
No. As you can plainly see from...EVERY main Pokemon game, your character turns down the spot of Champion. ESPECIALLY Red, who goes and wanders off for the next three years.

DucksGoMooful
11th April 2011, 12:05 AM
No. As you can plainly see from...EVERY main Pokemon game, your character turns down the spot of Champion. ESPECIALLY Red, who goes and wanders off for the next three years.
Not true. His wandering could have been after he became champion, but the so-called denying of the spot of champion is in place so that the player can still enjoy the game even after they beat it, as it wouldn't make sense for the rest of their in-game life to be responding to challenges.

FormeEon
11th April 2011, 12:10 AM
After you beat Champion Blue, he says "Darn it! You're the new Pokemon Champion!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNmKNhm-1Js

Darkmaster Rannon
11th April 2011, 12:12 AM
Then they would have broken if you attacked them.
And he wouldn't have been able to speak out loud.
And it'd be a pointless 'gimmick' that was ALREADY DONE TWICE in the game.


1. Super Zoroark illusion that react extremely well.
2. Talking Pogeymanz
3. Gimmicks are what true Pokémon moments are made of, we're blasting off again!

I still uphold my theory, as clearly he is the Illusionary Champion.

FormeEon
11th April 2011, 12:14 AM
1. Super Zoroark illusion that react extremely well.
2. Talking Pogeymanz
3. Gimmicks are what true Pokémon moments are made of, we're blasting off again!

I still uphold my theory, as clearly he is the Illusionary Champion.

I like that idea. Only... I wonder what his pokemon that died was...?

fhqwhgads
11th April 2011, 12:16 AM
Not true. His wandering could have been after he became champion
So, you have no more evidence that Red accepted it than I do he denied it, but I'm the one who's wrong?

Not how it works. If you have nothing more than I do, your idea isn't more valid, mine isn't less. At best, they're equal.

Here, since we're tossing out ******** theories, I say Red was Champion with a mono-type team and changed it to go wander off. Whoops, look, a completely hypothetical situation with no evidence that goes against the whole argument!

If it's too hard to follow, I'm saying leave Red out because his status as Champion is easily disputed, to say the least.

After you beat Champion Blue, he says "Darn it! You're the new Pokemon Champion!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNmKNhm-1Js
Yup. And after you beat Champion Lance, he says the same.

And after you beat Champion Steven.

And after you beat Champion Wallace.

And after you beat Champion Cynthia.

And after you beat Champion Alder.

So what?

FormeEon
11th April 2011, 12:20 AM
Yup. And after you beat Champion Lance, he says the same.

And after you beat Champion Steven.

And after you beat Champion Wallace.

And after you beat Champion Cynthia.

And after you beat Champion Alder.

So what?

So after you beat ANY champion, you become a Champion yourself, whether you decide to continue adventuring or not.

Emperor Empoleon
11th April 2011, 12:21 AM
Technically Red isnt the Champion. Lance takes what would've been his spot in the Johto story because he goes off to do whatever he wants :3

EDIT : And Alder's "type" is various. There's probably some sort of theme to his team, but no specific type.

fhqwhgads
11th April 2011, 12:22 AM
So after you beat ANY champion, you become a Champion yourself, whether you decide to continue adventuring or not.
There's a difference between the Champion who beat the E4 and the Champion who heads the E4.

You fight N after he beats Alder, feel like arguing he's Champion?

FormeEon
11th April 2011, 12:26 AM
Sure. He said he was officially the Pokemon League Champion after beating Alder, and that you were the only one who could stop him. Then you beat him, and he deserts the League, possibly even the region, and Alder takes his place back up top while you continue roaming.

fhqwhgads
11th April 2011, 12:27 AM
Sure. He said he was officially the Pokemon League Champion after beating Alder, and that you were the only one who could stop him. Then you beat him, and he deserts the League, possibly even the region, and Alder takes his place back up top while you continue roaming.
And every other trainer who's ever beaten the E4? There's certainly not two in the history of the E4 of a region.

Again. You're confusing triumphing character with E4-heading character. This topic is discussing the typing of E4-heading characters.

FormeEon
11th April 2011, 12:34 AM
Well I already stated that I think that Alder's Pokemon are based off of their Pokedex entrees talking about having special powers about their skin/body, since thats the only real thing they have in common.

finalname09
11th April 2011, 1:00 AM
I've been thinking of Bug as well. But I think they are just hard to catch ones.

Maybe if Lance is to be battled again in this generation or the future generations, he might use proper Dragon-types (Garchomp, Hydreigon) seeing there are more now? Though I'm thinking they should be flying too.

Ememew
11th April 2011, 1:21 AM
Huh? This went from a discussion about whether specializes in Bugs or if he's multi-type trainer and it turned into a debate about if Red counts as a champion in HG/SS?

On topic, I stand with what I said before. There are points for and against.
For: He uses as many Bugs as Steven (who is a Steel-trainer) does Steels. Claydol doesn't seem very Steel-like to me. Bouffaulant uses the Bug-move Megahorn, to tie it into his other Bugs.

Against: He is not specifically stated to be a Bug trainer in game (unless I missed something) the way Steven is referred to as a Steel specialist in-game. His non-bugs are much less bug-like than Steven's non-Steels are Steel-like (well, Cradilly and Armaldo, anyway).

Blazios
11th April 2011, 2:36 AM
On topic, I stand with what I said before. There are points for and against.
For: He uses as many Bugs as Steven (who is a Steel-trainer) does Steels. Claydol doesn't seem very Steel-like to me. Bouffaulant uses the Bug-move Megahorn, to tie it into his other Bugs.

Against: He is not specifically stated to be a Bug trainer in game (unless I missed something) the way Steven is referred to as a Steel specialist in-game. His non-bugs are much less bug-like than Steven's non-Steels are Steel-like (well, Cradilly and Armaldo, anyway).

Remember that Steven uses every Steel type family in the Hoenn dex except for Mawile (which sucks, basically having unevolved stats) and Magneton (which couldn't learn any Steel type attacks baxk in Gen III). If Alder was a Bug type specialist, he could have used Leavanny, Scolipede, Crustle, Galvantula or Durant over the other half of his team, all of which have plenty of Bug attacks.

Also, Rock, Ground and Steel types have been lumped in the same boat since Sandstorm was introduced. Ice, Dragon and Normal have nothing to do with bugs.

Ememew
11th April 2011, 2:55 AM
Remember that Steven uses every Steel type family in the Hoenn dex except for Mawile (which sucks, basically having unevolved stats) and Magneton (which couldn't learn any Steel type attacks baxk in Gen III). If Alder was a Bug type specialist, he could have used Leavanny, Scolipede, Crustle, Galvantula or Durant over the other half of his team, all of which have plenty of Bug attacks.

Also, Rock, Ground and Steel types have been lumped in the same boat since Sandstorm was introduced. Ice, Dragon and Normal have nothing to do with bugs.

I get what you're saying about there not being many Steels to pick from, but still, the other Elite 4 within Hoenn actually repeated Pokemon in order to have a mono-type team (Phoebe, Glacia, and Drake as well in R/S before losing one of the Flygons for a Kingdra in Emerald). As for Mawile's stats, two (Glacia and Drake) even used un-evolved Pokemon that could have evolved further within their generation (Sealeo and Shellgon), and Phoebe used Sableye (basically a counterpart to Mawile). So Steven using Mawile or Magneton or a Metang over Claydol or Cradilly (which, unless I'm remembering wrong, did not have Steel moves either), for example, wouldn't have been too out of the question. He was likely given the other types to make him harder to beat by just focusing on Steel's weaknesses (as the other types added in with Alder may be seen as balancing out Bug's weaknesses, if he is indeed a Bug specialist).

Yes, Rock, Ground, and Steel are lumped together, but is any type lumped with Bug? I figure since the champion is supposed to be harder to beat than the elite 4, it makes more sense for even type-specialist champions to have other types mixed in. Wallace's Water may be an exception due to Water having few weaknesses compared to other types (only Grass and Electric), many of which are countered through his dual-types (Whiscash countering Electric and Gyarados, Tentacruel, and Ludicolo canceling the Grass weakness).

In addition his name is Alder (perhaps named after the Alder moth), potentially indicating a type-specialty. I remember seeing this mentioned elsewhere in the B/W games discussion, but I'm not sure if this actually played into his naming.

I agree, though, that he may not be a specialist due to the fact that his other three seem much less Bug-like than Lance's and Steven's others matched Dragons and Steels, and that to my knowledge he is never referred to as a Bug specialist in-game.

EDIT: I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just trying to point out that selection-wise, Steven is as much a Steel-user as Alder is a Bug-user. The difference stems from Steven's actually being referred to as a Steel specialist in the game and official materials while Alder's "specialty" if there is one is not officially stated anywhere (unless I just haven't encountered it yet).

gyaradosuseddragonrage!
11th April 2011, 4:17 AM
Steven's using level 70+'s. It is extremely unlikely for him to be using unevolved Pokemon, but Magneton seems perfectly reasonable to me.

MetalFlygon08
11th April 2011, 4:32 AM
I thought Alder was named after the color?

Silent Conversation
11th April 2011, 5:16 AM
Alder has no specific type, he just uses powerful Pokemon and in this game, a lot of the powerful Pokemon happen to be bug types. Also, even if he were to have a specific typing, it wouldn't be bug as there's already a gym leader with that typing (Burgh).

locomo
11th April 2011, 5:20 AM
He's various types.

He has 3 bug types, but I think they are just there becasue:

a. Powerful
b. to help fill your pokedex.

KuroiMawile
11th April 2011, 5:26 AM
The only pokemon he adds to the pokedex is Volcorona, though. The rest you see, coincidentally, on route 10 from trainers and grass.

EDIT: Forgot N has a Vanilluxe.

Legendary Dreams
11th April 2011, 8:49 AM
Alder is a mixed-type Champion, although not with very good coverage. I've got the feeling Alder is the easy-going type. He doesn't pick the "stereotypically cool and tough" choices, like Cynthia's team in B/W.

And across the storyline, it has been said Alder left the E4 to guard the Durant's Nest, I mean Pokemon Leaque and left to wander across Unova. It implied it wasn't periodical and he actually left for a long time. This probably showed that Champions can leave the Leaque and travel about at any time.

rocky505
11th April 2011, 2:26 PM
Steven's using level 70+'s. It is extremely unlikely for him to be using unevolved Pokemon, but Magneton seems perfectly reasonable to me. Not in Ruby and Sapphire.

MetalFlygon08
11th April 2011, 4:07 PM
I think Alser is Buck and Flint's Uncle, look at his hair, then look at their hair.

gyaradosuseddragonrage!
11th April 2011, 4:42 PM
Not in Ruby and Sapphire.

Why not?
Is this for Magneton or the unevolves?

Lorde
11th April 2011, 10:17 PM
Hmm. I guess I'd say that Alder is a Bug-type specialist, since he has three Bug-type Pokemon on his team. I remember how Steven only had three Steel-type Pokemon in Generation 3 and how most people seemed to think that he specialized in Steel-types, so I'll just go with the flow for now. I personally don't think it really matters which type of Pokemon Alder is fond of, but it is neat to read what other people think.

rocky505
11th April 2011, 10:36 PM
Why not?
Is this for Magneton or the unevolves? For the level 70's stuff. his Pokemon only went to like 58.

Ememew
12th April 2011, 12:59 AM
Alder has no specific type, he just uses powerful Pokemon and in this game, a lot of the powerful Pokemon happen to be bug types. Also, even if he were to have a specific typing, it wouldn't be bug as there's already a gym leader with that typing (Burgh).

I would agree with this except we've had same-type Gym Leaders and Elite 4 in the same region (Hoenn - in Emerald we had Gym Leader Juan and Champion Wallace).

I'm not trying to argue for one side or the other, I'm just trying to point out in this (and other posts) that some traditions against have been broken by previous precedents.

Excitable Boy
12th April 2011, 1:10 AM
I think Alser is Buck and Flint's Uncle, look at his hair, then look at their hair.

He's Giovanni's cousin, since Silver also has red hair.

Though I think Buck wears a hat, somewhat akin to what Brendan wears.

Pseudo-Unlegendary
12th April 2011, 3:43 AM
It's just coincedence. Escavalier and Accelgor go together due to their situation and Volcarona is his signature (due to his hair). There is no typing to discuss, although it would be cool and with guys like Galvantula, Durant, Scolipede, and Crustle, making a bug type champ would have been extremely possible.

MetalFlygon08
12th April 2011, 3:56 AM
He's Giovanni's cousin, since Silver also has red hair.

Though I think Buck wears a hat, somewhat akin to what Brendan wears.

I'm pretty sure that's not a hat...

it's in a ponytail, and has bangs, it's red hair and a yellow stripe (The Red Hair being red to show the relation between Buck and Flint, and it's spiky)

cookies kill you
12th April 2011, 3:58 AM
hes a bug trainer with other pokemon he just thinks would be good i guess a buffalo ice cream and a dragon but this guy has to be the worst champion i have ever fought

pokemonmaster312
12th April 2011, 4:58 AM
Hey how do u get the item that evolves electabuzz in white i want an electavire

PinkPalkia
12th April 2011, 5:06 AM
Well, Alder is named after this giant moth. Not to mention I find his Bouffalant's Megahorn annoying.
His hair and Volcarona both look like the sun, matches the wall behind him when you reach him.

DoubleJG3288
12th April 2011, 5:27 AM
While I do enjoy Alder's theme music, Cynthia still stands as my favorite champion.

jwla
12th April 2011, 5:33 AM
While there might be an alder moth, I think the name Alder comes from the species of tree/bush related to the birch. Alder symbolically stands for strength in battle, but there is also some sort of inner conflict that goes along with it. Also, an alder's sap is orange-red, similar to the color of Alder's hair. Alder, to me, is like any champion: he has a team of varied Pokemon. Some of which are fairly rare (as seems to be the case from Steven up).

bushie
12th April 2011, 5:45 AM
adler has super saiyan type hair i know its not yellow

Angeltripper
12th April 2011, 2:09 PM
he is a buggy champion...

yuzke
12th April 2011, 6:33 PM
all i know alder uses the most powerfull and annoying bug pokemons of this generation, but that doesnt make him a bug typing trainer

Owl
13th April 2011, 12:20 AM
I just think he uses those three because in all honesty, they are as Bad *** as he is.

Dino
13th April 2011, 12:21 AM
Probably was a bug trainer but then decided to go mixed.

gyaradosuseddragonrage!
13th April 2011, 1:30 AM
No, Steven went up to Level 70's in Emerald.

Ememew
13th April 2011, 1:46 AM
No, Steven went up to Level 70's in Emerald.

The point still stands, though, that while he was champion (R/S), his Pokemon were not that high in level, so an unevolved Pokemon like Metang would not have been out of the question. Especially considering the previous two Elite 4 members had Sealeo and Shellgon on their teams. He could have mono-typed by that (or by having multiples of the same Pokemon as the Elite 4 before him did, again, Sealeo, plus Dusklops and Bannette, and Flygon as well in R/S). He did not do so and instead had three non-steel members of his team, two of which could not even learn Steel moves (Claydol and Cradilly). He did not use either tactic, which was used by other Elite 4 in Hoenn, nor did he use Mawile or Magneton which were both available, to create a mono-type team and instead has three non-steels.

Yet he is seen as a Steel Champion, nonetheless.

Steven (Steel-trainer) = 3 Steels (Metagross*, Skarmory, and Aggron), one non-Steel with a Steel move (Armaldo), 2 non-Steels without Steel moves (Claydol and Cradilly). Name apparently comes from Steel. Referred to as Steel trainer in-game.

Alder (Bug-user?) = 3 Bugs (Volcarona*, Accelgor, and Escavalier), one non-Bug with a Bug move (Bouffalant), 2 non-Bugs without Bug moves (Druddigon, and Vanilluxe). Name may come from "Alder moth." Not referred to as a Bug-trainer in-game.

Team-wise, Steven is as much a Steel-trainer as Alder is a Bug-trainer. The difference is Alder is not referred to as one within the game, so it is up in the air at the moment as to whether Gamefreak intended him to be seen as a Bug or Multi-type trainer. Unless the 3rd-game specifically refers to him as a Bug-trainer/multi-type trainer, or significantly alters his team to have more Bugs/non-Bugs, it will remain unconfirmed and the best guess would be "multi-type." But basing the idea on his team alone is incorrect.

* = Signature Pokemon

Mario with Lasers
13th April 2011, 2:37 AM
I know I'm quoting the second reply to the thread, but still


But a Bug type leader might be a little underwhelming.

Well, both Alder's team and battle theme are less than underwhelming, so it fits him nicely.

thetifftiff
13th April 2011, 5:54 AM
Alder is mostly random, it is odd that he favors bugs though. Notice that two of them are the ones you have to trade with each other to evolve? Maybe there is a reason he has those two specifically.

A bug type champion would be pretty cool but I really prefer champions to use a mix of types. Lance was cool but it was dragon champion with dragon last gym leader (same thing with Emerald and water) which is so boring. But even if the typing is completely different from any gym leader (see Ruby/Sapphire) it's still not as interesting as a champion who mixes everything up.

What I really want with bugs is a female bug specialist. So if the next champion is a girl, yes give her bugs. Girls like bug (pokemon) too... except Misty apparently.

PsychoIncarnate
13th April 2011, 5:56 AM
Bug types should not be underestimated

Except Beedrill. He sucks

Grei
13th April 2011, 6:04 AM
We're still debating this? He's not a Bug-type Champion. Steven Stone actually has qualities about him that relate to his Steel affinity. What bug qualities does Alder have? Seriously?

Steven had the two fossil Pokemon because they related to stones and ore, which was Steven's "thing" as a Steel-type Champion. Regardless of if they were Steel-types or not, they still related to Steven's theme. If Alder's theme is "bugs," then why the hell does he have a buffalo, a dragon, and an ice cream cone?

Besides, we never get a Champion who specializes in the same type as another Gym Leader within the same League. Juan and Wallace is an exception, because the original Champion was Steel-typed, and once Wallace replaced him, Juan took Wallace's place in the Water-type Gym.

Alder is a various-type Champion. I'm thinking they ditched the mono-type idea after Wallace.

Ememew
13th April 2011, 6:06 AM
We're still debating this? He's not a Bug-type Champion. Steven Stone actually has qualities about him that relate to his Steel affinity. What bug qualities does Alder have? Seriously?

Steven had the two fossil Pokemon because they related to stones and ore, which was Steven's "thing" as a Steel-type Champion. Regardless of if they were Steel-types or not, they still related to Steven's theme. If Alder's theme is "bugs," then why the hell does he have a buffalo, a dragon, and an ice cream cone?

Besides, we never get a Champion who specializes in the same type as another Gym Leader within the same League. Juan and Wallace is an exception, because the original Champion was Steel-typed, and once Wallace replaced him, Juan took Wallace's place in the Water-type Gym.

Alder is a various-type Champion. I'm thinking they ditched the mono-type idea after Wallace.

Clair and Lance in HG/SS don't count because . . .?

EDIT: I'm not saying Alder is one (if you see my earlier post, I point out the similarities between Alder and Steven, but made sure to add that he was never referred to as a Bug-specialist the way Steven was called a Steel-specialist.

Grei
13th April 2011, 6:10 AM
Clair and Lance in HG/SS don't count because . . .?

Oh, forgot about them.

Though you could argue that Johto doesn't have a League, and that it just uses Kanto's. When you have sixteen types in a League, it's impossible for the Elite Four to not overlap on those types. In general, though, Gym Leaders and E4 members have types that do not overlap.

Ememew
13th April 2011, 6:27 AM
Still, I'm not sure how much we can "generalize" about 5 generations . . .

1- Champ was rival, multitype.
2- Lance, Dragon-specialist.
3- Water (Wallace) or Steel (Steven) specialist champ (depending on Emerald/RS)
4- Multi-type Champion Cynthia

So up to Gen V (which is apparently still in debate) it was an even split between specialists and multi-typers, unless you count Ruby/Sapphire as separate from Emerald, in which case it favors specialists. (I use "specialist" instead of "mono-type" because Lance and Steven used non-Dragons/Steels. The only pure mono-typer was Wallace).

Huh, on that note, I thought of something: could Alder be considered a "specialist" in Bug, with "specialist" being the key term rather than "monotyper" like the Gym Leaders? Still, I get what you're saying about him not showing other "buggy" characteristics the way Steven was interested in stones/ore.

EDIT: Obviously replying to the "ditched the mono-type idea" part rather than the "usually don't overlap" part. But still:

1- no overlap.
2- Dragon and Fighting overlap, if Kanto is counted, Poison, Psychic overlap too.
3- Water overlap (Emerald only)
4- no overlap.

Again, even (unless you count R/S and E separately, favoring no-overlap) it's even up to the debated Gen V.

XXD17
13th April 2011, 6:30 AM
I'm pretty sure Alder doesn't have a specific type considering that he is a champion and all previous champions are mixed unless they had prior associations...generation 1, blue was champ and he had a mixed team and followed a theme of balanced rivalry since he formed his team around your team; generation 2, Lance was champion and he had predominantly dragons mainly because he used to be an elite four member who specialized in dragons, however, not every pokemon, such as charizard or aerodactyl, on his team is of the dragon type but all are dragonic following a dragon theme; generation 3.1, Steven was champion and although he had mostly steel types, he also had rock types so there wasn't specification either just a theme of pokemon associated with the earth; generation 3.2, wallace was champion, his team was mainly water because he used to be a water type gym leader so it obviously had a water theme but also had a sea, sky, and earth theme (the theme for ruby, sapphire and emerald)...they were all water types but some were mixed as well...wailord and tentacruel represent the sea, exclusive sea animals, ludicolo and whiscash represent the earth being part grass and ground, gyarados and milotic represent the sky since both are on par with dragons and gyrados is also a flying type; generation 4, champion was cynthia and her team was mixed and followed a theme of mysticism/ eccentricity (the themes of diamond, pearl, and platinum) and grace...spiritomb, garchomp, milotic, lucario, togekiss, gastrodon, and roserade all follow that theme...generation 5, Alder is mixed and follows a theme of combat and ancient/ feudal times (the theme for black and white)...accelgor is a ninja, something trained for combat during feudal japan, escavalier is a knight which served the same purpose as accelgor only in feudal Britain, France, etc.., druddigon is a dragon, the symbol of mystery, unknown and power during feudal Europe, bouffalant is bull built for head to head combat, volcorona has associations with the ancient times and actually served as the sun for ancient peoples...and vanilluxe is permafrost, everlasting ice, something that has retained its form for thousands of years...but that's just my speculation...

Ememew
13th April 2011, 6:39 AM
I'm pretty sure Alder doesn't have a specific type considering that he is a champion and all previous champions are mixed unless they had prior associations...generation 1, blue was champ and he had a mixed team and followed a theme of balanced rivalry; generation 2, Lance was champion and he had predominantly dragons mainly because he used to be an elite four member who specialized in dragons, however, not every pokemon on his team is of the dragon type but all ore dagonic following a dragon theme; generation 3.1, Steven was champion and although he had mostly steel types, he also had rock types so there wasn't specification either just a theme of pokemon associated with the earth; generation 3.2, wallace was champion, his team was mainly water because he used to be a water type gym leader; generation 4, champion was cynthia and her team was mixed and followed a theme of mysticism/ eccentricity and grace...spiritomb, garchomp, milotic, lucario, togekiss, gastrodon, and roserade all follow that theme...generation 5, Alder is mixed and follows a theme of combat and ancient/ feudal times...accelgor is a ninja, something trained for combat during feudal japan, escavalier is a knight which served the same purpose as accelgor only in feudal Britain, France, etc.., druddigon is a dragon, the symbol of mystery, unknown and power during feudal Europe, bouffalant is bull built for head to head combat, volcorona has associations with the ancient times and actually served as the sun for ancient peoples...and vanilluxe is permafrost, everlasting ice, something that has retained its form for thousands of years...but that's just my speculation...

Interesting, and I agree with most of it, but Steven was referred to as a Steel-specialist in-game.

Azulart
13th April 2011, 9:55 AM
Bug types should not be underestimated

Except Beedrill. He sucks

I agree with u, bug pokemons can be so handy.. its the ultimate weapon against the likes of alakazam or other dark and psychic sweepers.

And i would also say that bug pokemons got better abillity's then other types.

Dragoniteftw
13th April 2011, 10:04 AM
its funny cos hes ginger

Chairman
13th April 2011, 10:25 AM
I don't believe he is a bug trainer. Volcanara is there because it's his obious partner pokemon, maybe with one being based on the other.. (hair?)
The other to bugs on his teams are the ones you have to trade with to evolve, so thats proabably why thier poth there because they relate to each other. Another reason is also they are rare pokemon that you only see each of them 1 time before you verse him (I think), so if you avoided those trainers your pokedex would still be filled.
Then the others are thier to make his team more rounded, druddigon is probably there so he isn't too hard

Ememew
13th April 2011, 10:29 AM
I don't believe he is a bug trainer. Volcanara is there because it's his obious partner pokemon, maybe with one being based on the other.. (hair?)
The other to bugs on his teams are the ones you have to trade with to evolve, so thats proabably why thier poth there because they relate to each other. Another reason is also they are rare pokemon that you only see each of them 1 time before you verse him (I think), so if you avoided those trainers your pokedex would still be filled.
Then the others are thier to make his team more rounded, druddigon is probably there so he isn't too hard

Again, I'd agree except for the fact that you cannot see Vullaby/Rufflet in any trainers' party in the opposite version from the one they're found in, and therefore cannot be "seen," so I doubt Accelgor and Escavalir were added for Dex purposes.

Nijaskills
14th April 2011, 1:52 AM
One other thing is that he's one of the only main champs without a Pseudo legendary pokemon.
One could consider Volcarona as pseudo-legendary, even though it isn't 600 BST, since there is a hidden stationary one (like Rotom), and it isn't obtainable by normal means in the wild.


That's because first generation had a whopping single line of Ghosts and ONE Ghost attack.

That's because Champions have consistently been mixed-type. This is not new.

Wallace.


Again, I'd agree except for the fact that you cannot see Vullaby/Rufflet in any trainers' party in the opposite version from the one they're found in, and therefore cannot be "seen," so I doubt Accelgor and Escavalir were added for Dex purposes.

True. If they had been aiming for dex completion, they would have given him ferrothorn as well.

Mario with Lasers
14th April 2011, 2:00 AM
One could consider Volcarona as pseudo-legendary, even though it isn't 600 BST, since there is a hidden stationary one (like Rotom), and it isn't obtainable by normal means in the wild.

Sudowoodo (technically, he's hidden!!!!)...

Excitable Boy
14th April 2011, 2:16 AM
Sudowoodo (technically, he's hidden!!!!)...

Don't forget RBY Snorlax! Those are totally hidden!

And GSC Lapras, as well.

Grei
14th April 2011, 2:30 AM
One could consider Volcarona as pseudo-legendary, even though it isn't 600 BST, since there is a hidden stationary one (like Rotom), and it isn't obtainable by normal means in the wild.

That is not the criteria for a pseudo-Legendary. A pseudo-Legendary has its status because of its base stat total (always 600), and because of its evolutionary line (it's always 3 stages). They have other similarities, but that's the gist of it. Rotom is not a pseudo-Legendary in any way. He's a one-off Pokemon, but not a pseudo-Legendary. Volcarona's pretty close to being a pseudo-Legendary in terms of stats, but there isn't much about it that is pseudo-Legendary.

EDIT: on the topic of Alder's typing, I'd like to emphasize the point that Alder being a Bug-type Champion makes no sense when you consider the amount of Bug-type Pokemon. Yes, Steven could have gotten Mawile and Magneton, but he didn't--possibly because the two of them were too weak (at least Mawile was). So, they filled Steven's team with the next-best thing. Alder, on the other hand, uses Volcarona, Accelgor, and Excavalier, and yet completely ignores Leavanny, Scolipede, Galvantula, Crustle, and Durant. There is really no excuse, no reason for Alder to be a Bug-type Champion and yet just decide not to use five fairly good Bug-type Unova Pokemon (especially Durant, Galvantula, and Leavanny, who are all very powerful) in favor of using three other Pokemon that are not bug-like in the slightest. One could say that Steven also could have used other Steel-types, but I'm pretty sure that GF does testing to make sure the Champion is passable in strength. I get the feeling Magneton and Mawile caused Steven to be a little too weak, and so they gave him a pair of Pokemon that go together and fit his theme.

Alder, on the other hand, must be a multitype Champion, because there is no legitimate reason for why he failed to use five of the eight available Bug-type lines in favor of Pokemon that are not remotely like bugs.

Swampert_trainer
14th April 2011, 8:40 AM
Alder has no specific type, he just uses powerful Pokemon and in this game, a lot of the powerful Pokemon happen to be bug types. Also, even if he were to have a specific typing, it wouldn't be bug as there's already a gym leader with that typing (Burgh).Juan the 8th gym leader of the Hoenn region uses water types. Wallace, the campion of the region, uses water types. The cahmpion can use the same type as a gym leader.

Alder isn't a Bug type specialist, but Burgh having Bug types wouldn't stop him from becoming one.

Knightmare
14th April 2011, 9:13 AM
That is not the criteria for a pseudo-Legendary. A pseudo-Legendary has its status because of its base stat total (always 600), and because of its evolutionary line (it's always 3 stages). They have other similarities, but that's the gist of it. Rotom is not a pseudo-Legendary in any way. He's a one-off Pokemon, but not a pseudo-Legendary. Volcarona's pretty close to being a pseudo-Legendary in terms of stats, but there isn't much about it that is pseudo-Legendary.



I dunno... I kinda want to consider Volcarona a psudo-legendary. I think in this case we can make an exception about the 3 stage evolution and 600 base stat total. Another general trend (besides Garchomp because things got weird with numbering with all the post E4 national dex evolutions) has been that they come just before all the actual legendaries in the pokedex. It comes after even Hydriegon in the dex even though Hydriegon is the one with the proper stats.

I feel like the two of them are supposed to represent light and darkness in some way considering one is the signature pokemon of Ghetsis, who's the antagonist, and the other is the signature pokemon of Alder, who is a good guy or whatever. So even though they have different amounts of evo stages and different stat totals, it seems like they're meant to be counterparts as psudo-legends.

Plus Larvesta doesn't evolve until level fifty-freakin-nine. Psudo legends are also known for evolving late like that.

Raikaria
14th April 2011, 9:23 AM
What I find weird is Bulbapedia's treatment of Alder.

Steven has three Steel Types. He also has Craydily, Armaldo, and Claydol. His type is listed as 'Steel'.

Alder has three bug types, and three fillers. However, his type is listed as Various. Way for consistancy there.

Lance in FR/LG was understandable, as there were only three dragons, all of the same evolutionary line back then [HG/SS Lance is FLYING specilisation, his WHOLE TEAM is Flying]

Alder = Bug. Or, Steven = Various.

PsychoIncarnate
14th April 2011, 9:44 AM
What I find weird is Bulbapedia's treatment of Alder.

Steven has three Steel Types. He also has Craydily, Armaldo, and Claydol. His type is listed as 'Steel'.

Alder has three bug types, and three fillers. However, his type is listed as Various. Way for consistancy there.

Lance in FR/LG was understandable, as there were only three dragons, all of the same evolutionary line back then [HG/SS Lance is FLYING specilisation, his WHOLE TEAM is Flying]

Alder = Bug. Or, Steven = Various.

It's all the fact the game calls Steven a Steel specialist and Lance a Dragon specialist.

Alder isn't called a Bug Specialist even once in the game.

Blackjack the Titan
14th April 2011, 12:10 PM
What I find weird is Bulbapedia's treatment of Alder.

Steven has three Steel Types. He also has Craydily, Armaldo, and Claydol. His type is listed as 'Steel'.

Alder has three bug types, and three fillers. However, his type is listed as Various. Way for consistancy there.

Lance in FR/LG was understandable, as there were only three dragons, all of the same evolutionary line back then [HG/SS Lance is FLYING specilisation, his WHOLE TEAM is Flying]

Alder = Bug. Or, Steven = Various.

First-
Alder really doesn't have that sheen to him that makes him looklike he uses Bug types.
Lance's royal look showed that he uses powerful (Dragon type) Pokémon.
Steven had that rich look like he researched minerals and metals.

Alder doesn't share that look of insect-ness that Burgh has.
He's better acting as a versatile user.

Second-
Lance's Pokémon were all lizard-like.
Steven's Pokémon all had a mineral-metal aspect to them.

Alder's Pokémon, like Cynthia's, have no complete animal similarity.
Yet he still has three bug Pokémon.

orangezilla
14th April 2011, 12:14 PM
even though he uses bug types and if you had to pick bug probably would be his type, he isnt visually tied to it in any way and i am perfectly happy saying hes just various.
Very cool character though.

WillieNelson
22nd April 2011, 3:23 PM
Ok well you know how Lance has Dragon types, along with some pseudo-dragon types,
Red basiccally has the starter pokemon, along with pokemon you have to come across in the 1st gen games.
Steven has Steel type pokemon, along with fossils,(or as others might say he just has pokemon that have to do with rare stones if you believe that his Steel typed pokemon have skin made of a rare metal.)
Wallace has Water type pokemon, that are rumored to take part in the five versions of contests.
Cynthia has pokemon that are rare to the game- and are hard to come by.
Now if you look at the Pokedex's description of Alder's Pokemon, the thing they have in common is having special attributes to their skin.
I know its not exactly something to work with... but I thought it would be interesting for you guys to know.
One other thing is that he's one of the only main champs without a Pseudo legendary pokemon.


Red is Ash, he has pokemon that Ash had 1st gen. (plus he looks like him)Blastoise and venasaur(sorry about spelling) are the evolved versions of his squirtle and bulbasaur.

Grei
22nd April 2011, 7:00 PM
What I find weird is Bulbapedia's treatment of Alder.

Steven has three Steel Types. He also has Craydily, Armaldo, and Claydol. His type is listed as 'Steel'.

Alder has three bug types, and three fillers. However, his type is listed as Various. Way for consistancy there.

Lance in FR/LG was understandable, as there were only three dragons, all of the same evolutionary line back then [HG/SS Lance is FLYING specilisation, his WHOLE TEAM is Flying]

Alder = Bug. Or, Steven = Various.

:|

If you had read any part of this thread at all, you'd understand why Alder isn't a Bug-type specialist.


Red is Ash, he has pokemon that Ash had 1st gen. (plus he looks like him)Blastoise and venasaur(sorry about spelling) are the evolved versions of his squirtle and bulbasaur.

Wrong.

Red is Red (the player character) from RGBY, and not Ash from the anime. Red gets the Pokemon he does because those are the Pokemon you are guaranteed to be able to get in Yellow.

Pikachu: Your starter
Venusaur: You get a Bulbasaur in Cerulean
Charizard: You get a Charmander from someone near Cerulean Cape (I think?)
Blastoise: You get a Squirtle... somewhere (Vermilion?)
Lapras: You can get a Lapras from Silph Co.
Snorlax: You get Snorlax from the entrance to the Cycling Road and from the exit of Fuschia

Endoplasmic Reticulum
22nd April 2011, 7:16 PM
I don't consider Alder a bug specialist. However, whenever I think of a gym leader their type immediately clicks into my head, and for some reason Bug clicks into my head for Alder.

Championvincent
22nd April 2011, 8:21 PM
alder 's pokemon is mostly bug-type, however, since it doesn't mention him being a bug specialist in the game (i.e. Bug Gym Leader like burgh) and also there is already a bug type participant in the league (Burgh). Therefore Alder is not a Bug-Type Champion he's just champ like cynthia. (unlike lance, who is a Dragon Champ).

The Eleventh
22nd April 2011, 8:26 PM
Red is Red (the player character) from RGBY, and not Ash from the anime. Red gets the Pokemon he does because those are the Pokemon you are guaranteed to be able to get in Yellow.

Pikachu: Your starter
Venusaur: You get a Bulbasaur in Cerulean
Charizard: You get a Charmander from someone near Cerulean Cape (I think?)
Blastoise: You get a Squirtle... somewhere (Vermilion?)
Lapras: You can get a Lapras from Silph Co.
Snorlax: You get Snorlax from the entrance to the Cycling Road and from the exit of Fuschia
I'd also like to add that Red has Espeon in Gen II, not Lapras. That fact doesn't deter from your post, as Eevee can be obtained in Celadon City, but it does deter from the silly-person-that-thinks-Ash-is-Red's post. I'm so tired of seeing "Ash is Red, duh".

Back on-topic, I think Alder's type is various, but he might have a small preference for Bug-types. It makes more sense to say that he has Bug-types because the three he has are strong and Champion-fitting.

Excitable Boy
22nd April 2011, 8:30 PM
alder 's pokemon is mostly bug-type, however, since it doesn't mention him being a bug specialist in the game (i.e. Bug Gym Leader like burgh) and also there is already a bug type participant in the league (Burgh). Therefore Alder is not a Bug-Type Champion he's just champ like cynthia. (unlike lance, who is a Dragon Champ).

Playing devil's advocate, Johto had Chuck in addition to Bruno, as well as Clair in addition to Lance. Emerald Hoenn had Juan in addition to Wallace.

Dragandium
22nd April 2011, 8:48 PM
i think hes Bug

Steven is a steel type but he also adds the Hoenn Fossil Pokemon in his team which are rock types

dragoniteKnight
23rd April 2011, 1:03 AM
the difference is the rock type pokes he adds are mineral like. alders fillers arnt even bug like

Larry
23rd April 2011, 1:18 AM
I thought of him as a champion like Cynthia with no specific type.

Mighty Arceus493
23rd April 2011, 8:19 AM
I just thought of something.

Gary=Random type user because he has casual clothes

Lance=Dragon type user because of cape and blu-ish clothes

Steven=Steel type user because because he is a researcher on materials

Wallace=Water type user because he wears white/blue clothes

Cynthia=Uses techno looking Pokemon because of black clothes

So this might be Alder (sounds dumb, but...) Alder=Uses Pokemon that have parts which are the same colour of him. Example:

Tanned skin=Bouffalant
Orange hair=Volcarona
Red parts on clothing=Druddigon, Escalvier
Greenish shirt=Accelgor
White Pants=Vanniluxe

I know it seems dumb, but that's what I think lol

345tom
23rd April 2011, 2:06 PM
He uses random, mixed typing.
I also believe he uses pokemon that look strong, which reflects who he is. If you just look at him, he looks strong and quite majestic. While if you look at the pokemon they all look like they are going to be strong.

knetz07
23rd April 2011, 3:06 PM
While battling Alder, I didn't really feel that he is a Bug-type specialist, but more of a various type user. Plus, he wasn't introduced as a Bug-type specialist in the game.

Dattebayo
23rd April 2011, 5:25 PM
He uses a mixed team, which is a fairly poor one compared to Cynthia's team since he uses three bugs.

Electric
23rd April 2011, 5:27 PM
Bulbapedia is just being a bunch of sissies. Who cares if it's unofficial that Alder is a bug type user? Why must everything be based on certainty?

Mister_SGG
23rd April 2011, 5:35 PM
He uses a mixed team, which is a fairly poor one compared to Cynthia's team since he uses three bugs.

Sure there's alot of things wrong with Bug-types, but Escavalier and Volcarona are among the best Bug-types, like Heracross and Scizor. Using Bug-types doesn't mean your team is poor, unless you use bad ones like Kakuna and Metapod. *Cough, cough* Bugsy *Cough, cough*

dragoniteKnight
23rd April 2011, 5:42 PM
He uses random, mixed typing.
I also believe he uses pokemon that look strong, which reflects who he is. If you just look at him, he looks strong and quite majestic. While if you look at the pokemon they all look like they are going to be strong.

the next time i eat an icecream cone, ill be sure to shout out "I HAVE THE POWEEEER!" as i chomp its head off to gain its power.

Cerex
23rd April 2011, 8:57 PM
I don't think we need to read that much into his team. It doesn't seem to have any general coordination like other champions with a specialty, who were known for their specialty. I think Alder just got shafted on the team front. I think with the release of the third installment we are going to see his team (and hopefully all of the Unova Elite Four) team's change drastically.

Venomfang
23rd April 2011, 9:09 PM
bug

10charlimit

Endoplasmic Reticulum
23rd April 2011, 9:09 PM
Cerex, meh I doubt it. The only reason the D/P Elite 4 Roster's got changed a lot is because more, and better suited, Pokemon were added to the Sinnoh Dex in Platinum

Dattebayo
23rd April 2011, 9:12 PM
Sure there's alot of things wrong with Bug-types, but Escavalier and Volcarona are among the best Bug-types, like Heracross and Scizor. Using Bug-types doesn't mean your team is poor, unless you use bad ones like Kakuna and Metapod. *Cough, cough* Bugsy *Cough, cough*

I mean in terms of coverage because it makes most of his team vulernable to a single fire move.

Cerex
23rd April 2011, 9:16 PM
Cerex, meh I doubt it. The only reason the D/P Elite 4 Roster's got changed a lot is because more, and better suited, Pokemon were added to the Sinnoh Dex in PlatinumI don't think it's that much of a long shot to see some major changes. The current post-game lineup of the Elite Four is just bad, and finding replacements for them is not that bad. Combined with the fact that we are also likely to be see the return of re battling Gym Leaders with much better team, updating the current line up is going to be kind of inexcusable.

I think for B/W they really wanted to emphasize the whole reboot to the series, but now that's over and done with there doesn't need to be such a reliance on Gen V to fill of all of or most of the slots, seeing as how for many of them there are few new Pokemon to go around.

Endoplasmic Reticulum
23rd April 2011, 9:20 PM
I don't think it's that much of a long shot to see some major changes. The current post-game lineup of the Elite Four is just bad, and finding replacements for them is not that bad. Combined with the fact that we are also likely to be see the return of re battling Gym Leaders with much better team, updating the current line up is going to be kind of inexcusable.

I think for B/W they really wanted to emphasize the whole reboot to the series, but now that's over and done with there doesn't need to be such a reliance on Gen V to fill of all of or most of the slots, seeing as how for many of them there are few new Pokemon to go around.

I don't think that the post elite 4 roster is bad. And anyway, they weren't just limited to Unova in that one, they added a bunch of non-Unova Pokemon into their rematch teams

Cerex
23rd April 2011, 9:35 PM
I don't think that the post elite 4 roster is bad. And anyway, they weren't just limited to Unova in that one, they added a bunch of non-Unova Pokemon into their rematch teamsIt was the non-Unova that they selected that were bad, my thinking being that they wanted to keep the focus on Gen V rather than just bringing back the "classics" for each team, i.e. Gengar, Alakazam, Machamp; however, the drawback to that was that it wasn't very competitive.

Also, a really radical idea is that if Ghetsis words are true, and Alder was just selected for the role of champion, that he may not even old that position next round. It depends on how much they alter the story, but I wouldn't mind if after the fact Cheren fulfills his dreams and Alder goes back to traveling.

If he stays on as Champion it makes sense in my mind for his team to reflect to true abudance of Pokemon available post the Elite 4.

Ememew
23rd April 2011, 9:55 PM
It was the non-Unova that they selected that were bad, my thinking being that they wanted to keep the focus on Gen V rather than just bringing back the "classics" for each team, i.e. Gengar, Alakazam, Machamp; however, the drawback to that was that it wasn't very competitive.

Also, a really radical idea is that if Ghetsis words are true, and Alder was just selected for the role of champion, that he may not even old that position next round. It depends on how much they alter the story, but I wouldn't mind if after the fact Cheren fulfills his dreams and Alder goes back to traveling.

If he stays on as Champion it makes sense in my mind for his team to reflect to true abundance of Pokemon available post the Elite 4.

Or Bianca. Remember the unused data from the games that showed Bianca as champion? Everyone thought she was the champ for a little while until it was discovered that it was just some leftover data. She might be champ in the third game. That would show some significant character development (I'm so tired of her calling herself weak all the time, she's too down on herself . . . being champ would be good for her in my opinion. Even if it doesn't actually happen in the 3rd game, the data was there, right?).

On topic: How much have third games changed the Pokemon selection of the Elite 4/Champ? I know there were a number of changes to the Sinnoh teams between DP and Pt, but I don't remember that happening too often in the other games - Lance still had pretty much the same team in Crystal as in G/S. Steven had a higher-leveled version of his R/S team in Emerald (though was no longer champion).

Basically, I think it can be summed up with this. Team selection wise, Alder is as much a Bug user as Steven is a Steel user. Game-text wise, he's never called a specialist the way Steven was. Unless the third game changes things, he can be seen as a various-type user with a bug emphasis.

Cerex
23rd April 2011, 10:27 PM
On topic: How much have third games changed the Pokemon selection of the Elite 4/Champ? I know there were a number of changes to the Sinnoh teams between DP and Pt, but I don't remember that happening too often in the other games - Lance still had pretty much the same team in Crystal as in G/S. Steven had a higher-leveled version of his R/S team in Emerald (though was no longer champion).

Basically, I think it can be summed up with this. Team selection wise, Alder is as much a Bug user as Steven is a Steel user. Game-text wise, he's never called a specialist the way Steven was. Unless the third game changes things, he can be seen as a various-type user with a bug emphasis.

It varies by Gen, and Gen V is weird in that prior all of the Elite 4 had five Pokemon not just four, but there usually seems to be a switch of 2-3 Pokemon. Gen V just inserted two into their prior teams. Which I guess keeps it within tradition, but doesn't really make it seems like an upgrade just a sloppy add-on; and not even great ones at that, Sharpedo (which was the one that was taken out in E), Breloom, Frosglass, and the two Psychic/Steel types.

I don't think the Steven comparison fits, there was some context to his team, even his non-Steel ones: he was like Cynthia, an archeologist and they are either fossils or related to ancient ruins. Also, with only six slots available I find it hard to say you can have an emphasis in something and there not be a theme or some context to it, which is why I think you find people talking about Adler's team in general, it's just awkward. I think Volcarona is meant to be there, but other than that none of them seem to be Pokemon you would expect to find a Champion's team. He doesn't even have this generation's Pseudo.

Edit:
I think of the things the Champion's team is supposed to do is highlight the best of the generation. Cynthia did that amazingly, so did Blue, and even Lance; Adler, however, is just meh.

Dattebayo
26th April 2011, 3:54 PM
It varies by Gen, and Gen V is weird in that prior all of the Elite 4 had five Pokemon not just four, but there usually seems to be a switch of 2-3 Pokemon. Gen V just inserted two into their prior teams. Which I guess keeps it within tradition, but doesn't really make it seems like an upgrade just a sloppy add-on; and not even great ones at that, Sharpedo (which was the one that was taken out in E), Breloom, Frosglass, and the two Psychic/Steel types.

Breloom, Froslass, Bronzong, and Metagross aren't really bad though.

-M-
26th April 2011, 4:28 PM
I think of the things the Champion's team is supposed to do is highlight the best of the generation. Cynthia did that amazingly, so did Blue, and even Lance; Adler, however, is just meh.
Thats becouse they had to let N and Ghetsis have som of those pokemon as well. Hydreigon, Elektross, Zoroark, etc.
Wouldn't be as cool if the three of the had almost the same teams.

OldsSkoolPokemonPlayer
26th April 2011, 4:44 PM
i dont really think its a bug typing at all but 5/6 of his pokemon can be taken out by a strong fighting type with rockslide but dor drudiggon give it ice punch. Machamp's-6 to Alder's-0

Haxorusfan
26th April 2011, 4:44 PM
bug, although when you look at Blue in HG SS what type is he???

Endoplasmic Reticulum
26th April 2011, 6:32 PM
bug, although when you look at Blue in HG SS what type is he???

Multi, like he is in every other game

Skarm-Flier
29th June 2011, 7:22 AM
Alder's Typing is ''Various''.

SteelArson
29th June 2011, 2:16 PM
I recon Alder is a variety trainer with a soft spot for bug types.

I'm pretty sure all of you guys play through the game with a variety of types, but have a favorite type that you might have a couple of pokes of that typing on your team.

I recon alder is based around that.

Also from alders hair i guessed his main pokemon wuld be Volcorona, and turns out his strongest pokemon was a volcorona lol.
i guess the pokemon that dies could have been the parent to his current volcorona.

Professor Poke
29th June 2011, 3:09 PM
His dead pokemon is probably a victini.

SnugNBouncy
29th June 2011, 3:43 PM
Yeah im not sure if i agree that he is a bug specialist... more that he has two parallel bug pokemon on his team (cant have one without the other) and he has volcarona which seems to be his main pokemon. he even looks like a volcarona.

Skarm-Flier
29th June 2011, 4:42 PM
He is a Variety that has three or four part bugs,his main is Volcarona and the Pokemon that died is UNKNOWN,end of discussion !

Wild Dragonite
29th June 2011, 4:46 PM
I think of the things the Champion's team is supposed to do is highlight the best of the generation. Cynthia did that amazingly, so did Blue, and even Lance; Adler, however, is just meh.
Thats becouse they had to let N and Ghetsis have som of those pokemon as well. Hydreigon, Elektross, Zoroark, etc.
Wouldn't be as cool if the three of the had almost the same teams.

This, mostly because in all the other games you ended the main storyline and unlocked the aftergame by defeating the champion. In B/W, defeating N and Ghetsis unlocked the aftergame. So it makes sense that Alder wouldn't be as impressive.

I still think Alder should be a Bug-specialist, but that's just me.

Robertos0511
29th June 2011, 11:09 PM
I think Alder is a fictional character in a fictional world where fictional people battle with fictional creatures.

Moneyy
29th June 2011, 11:31 PM
At least Lance's Pokemon look like dragons.

Excitable Boy
1st July 2011, 12:28 AM
If he is a bug trainer, he'd be the only bug trainer in Unova. Satoshi Tajiri was a collector of bugs when he was young...

Burgh says hi.

Satoshi Tajiri doesn't do jacksquat on the games any more.

Venomfang
1st July 2011, 12:32 AM
Defenitly bug type.

Super Nerd 7997
1st July 2011, 1:06 AM
I don't think Alder has a certain type. Sure he has three bugs, but notice two of them are sort of related - Accelgor and Escavilier. The two you need to trade with each other to evolve. He also has a Vulcarona, which is a very rare species you can only get in two places. It's not unusual for a champion to have rare Pokemon with odd methods of aquiring them. Stephen Stone had fossils and Metagross, Cynthia had Spiritomb and Lucario, and Alder has Accelgor, Escavilier, and Volcarona.

Zoroark4873
19th July 2011, 1:27 AM
I agree that Alder is a bug type guy

Pokemon Breeder Akane
19th July 2011, 1:37 AM
In my opinion the champion characters are made out to be as similar to the player character as possible with no restriction to types only preference, to present an independence of sorts to give the feeling of the champions starting out like the player at some point. Although this is just a speculation of the way Game Freak wanted to present the "best trainer" in the region as.

ParaChomp
19th July 2011, 1:48 AM
Alder's like Steven Stone.

DrasticPhase
19th July 2011, 2:06 AM
IMO Alder is a bug trainer.
He has 3 bug(Accelgor,Escaliver, and Volcarona),a dragon,70s tauros, and ice cream.

lucario44444444
19th July 2011, 8:52 AM
Hes none, just like Cythina

Skydra
19th July 2011, 8:59 AM
I think Alder is a fictional character in a fictional world where fictional people battle with fictional creatures.
Way to completely deviate from the topic and state the obvious. We know Alder doesn't exist, we don't need you to tell us.



Alder's like Steven Stone.

You're right, Steven has half steels and Alder has half bugs. They have a preferred type but are willing to use other types on their team.

thekorean
19th July 2011, 9:21 AM
Alder should have Accelgor OR Escavalier, not both. Adding a Psychic pokemon wont hurt either, Dark pokemon can also help.

kyogreblue3
19th July 2011, 3:21 PM
sure, Alder has three bug-types on his team (Volcarona, Excavalier, and Accelgor), but that doesn't mean he's a Bug-type Chmapion. Don't forget the other half of his team: Druddigon, Bouffalant, and Vanilluxe. Which reminds me, you could easily wreck Alder's whole team if you had an Emboar . . .

SnugNBouncy
19th July 2011, 4:32 PM
Which reminds me, you could easily wreck Alder's whole team if you had an Emboar . . .

^ Words for all you tepig haters out there :P

arceus7
19th July 2011, 5:01 PM
Emboar is a fat pig of meh.

The game is really easy for emboar users but I aint using it.

Plat. Frontier
19th July 2011, 5:01 PM
^ Words for all you tepig haters out there :P

Still a hater. I beat his team with ONLY a Samurott.

Anyways... all you need is a Dragon-type that knows one Fire-type move, one Dragon-type move, and one Fighting-type move. *coughs*Hydregion*coughs*.

streetlightdsb
19th July 2011, 5:04 PM
Still a hater. I beat his team with ONLY a Samurott.

Anyways... all you need is a Dragon-type that knows one Fire-type move, one Dragon-type move, and one Fighting-type move. *coughs*Hydregion*coughs*.

You'd probably need a Rock type move in there as well for Volcarona.

arceus7
19th July 2011, 5:05 PM
Not true. His wandering could have been after he became champion, but the so-called denying of the spot of champion is in place so that the player can still enjoy the game even after they beat it, as it wouldn't make sense for the rest of their in-game life to be responding to challenges.
Alder ran around as welll

Banana Knight Arthur
19th July 2011, 5:53 PM
I'm going to opine Alder/Adeku is a Bug Specialist.

He has 3 bug types.

Also his big bad is a giant Fire Moth.

Mythicalzoe
20th July 2011, 1:29 AM
Bug type seriously how did this guy get pass Unovas Elite Four with that team

thekorean
20th July 2011, 1:37 AM
sure, Alder has three bug-types on his team (Volcarona, Excavalier, and Accelgor), but that doesn't mean he's a Bug-type Chmapion. Don't forget the other half of his team: Druddigon, Bouffalant, and Vanilluxe. Which reminds me, you could easily wreck Alder's whole team if you had an Emboar . . .

Except Volcarona. Both elements of Emboar are weak against Volcarona.

kyogreblue3
20th July 2011, 2:10 AM
^ Volcarona is Bug/Fire, and Emboar is Fire/Fighting . . . fighting's not weak to bug, is it?

zerofield
20th July 2011, 2:49 AM
^i think he means "not very effective"...but fire is normal effective against volcarona,so hes wrong either way :o just give it rock slide or something,problem solved.

gspbeetle
21st July 2011, 6:36 AM
^i think he means "not very effective"...but fire is normal effective against volcarona,so hes wrong either way :o just give it rock slide or something,problem solved.

So you guys bump this thread up for no reason just to argue over a boar? There are alternatives like excadrill or something.

Vandslaux
21st July 2011, 8:12 PM
sure, Alder has three bug-types on his team (Volcarona, Excavalier, and Accelgor), but that doesn't mean he's a Bug-type Chmapion. Don't forget the other half of his team: Druddigon, Bouffalant, and Vanilluxe. Which reminds me, you could easily wreck Alder's whole team if you had an Emboar . . .
I used Emboar, and trust me, he still isn't easy, since he's so slow, Bouffalant kills with EQ, Hammer Arm doesn't do enough to him, I only had Emboar left and I was afraid Flare Blitz recoil would kill him against Escalavier. I just revived Excadrill, Escalavier Giga Impacted, Excadrill survived, used the recharge time to revive two pokes. Eventually revived whole team in this fashion. Also, Emboar will usually die to Volcarona's Hyper Beam. I still beat him w/ lv. 64 Emboar, lv. 65 Galvantula, lv. 65 Excadrill, lv. 65 Haxorus, lv. 65 Reuniclus, and lv. 66 Archeops.

SnugNBouncy
22nd July 2011, 12:24 AM
I used Emboar, and trust me, he still isn't easy, since he's so slow, Bouffalant kills with EQ, Hammer Arm doesn't do enough to him, I only had Emboar left and I was afraid Flare Blitz recoil would kill him against Escalavier. I just revived Excadrill, Escalavier Giga Impacted, Excadrill survived, used the recharge time to revive two pokes. Eventually revived whole team in this fashion. Also, Emboar will usually die to Volcarona's Hyper Beam. I still beat him w/ lv. 64 Emboar, lv. 65 Galvantula, lv. 65 Excadrill, lv. 65 Haxorus, lv. 65 Reuniclus, and lv. 66 Archeops.

If you use an emboar is a higher level than yours is, then they are right, alder is a cakewalk :)

PokeGyms
22nd July 2011, 12:22 PM
I thought he was a bug trainer before champ. I thought it was pretty cool.

acetrainerdov
25th July 2011, 2:25 PM
alder is a bug type

GloryHeat
27th July 2011, 12:28 AM
is anyone else wondering what pokemon was alder's partner that he "lost" and made him roam unova? i have no idea

Vandslaux
27th July 2011, 12:34 AM
is anyone else wondering what pokemon was alder's partner that he "lost" and made him roam unova? i have no idea

Yeah, one flaw with the game: that's never revealed.

Nebbio
27th July 2011, 12:59 AM
Yeah, one flaw with the game: that's never revealed.

Just wait for the third game in the generation, I guess.

Bolt the Cat
27th July 2011, 5:22 AM
If he's supposed to be multitype, he certainly fails at doing so. A half-bug type team is not varied in the slightest. My Archeops could easily take out at least half of his team. But, there is absolutely no other evidence to him liking Bug types at all, so I cannot consider him a Bug type trainer.

Yeul
23rd August 2011, 6:43 PM
*probably shouldn't bump a month old topic, but...*

There may not be any flat out stated evidence to prove this assumption (unless Alder was a Bug Catcher when he was younger), but there's certainly no evidence to prove otherwise either. I think Alder's a better Bug type specialist than Burgh/Aaron/Bugsy, which I'll explain by stealing and editing this explanation from some guy called Hirokey123 on GameFAQs.

"Bugs resist Fighting and he's got a Normal Pokemon to take advantage of that, at the same time that normal pokemon Bouffalant has Megahorn to join in Bug coverage and 3 other moves that cover the types Bugs are weak to. The same goes for his yummy scrummy Vanilluxe which deals with Flying types and Skyla's thighs. Druddigon is there to cover his fire weakness as 4 of his pokemon are weak to Fire and give him a bit wider coverage."
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"A multi-specialist has been defined as someone who has a multitude of types and coverage which Alder does not. Alder's team specializes in Bug, Bug resistances, and bug weaknesses. He doesn't fit into the multi-specialist area at all. The only thing against him specializing in Bug is that he doesn't have 6 Bugs but Game Freak already changed up the formula and classic things in the game quite a bit (including the E4). This time they made the champion's team actually smart, someone who specializes in Bugs by taking advantage of the entire type meaning coverage, resistances, weaknesses, abilities, every-focking-thing. Not just slapping a Bug in his team because it's a Bug."

Congratulations GameFreak, you made a Bug-type Champion that truly makes you think about a type itself, rather than just a few Bugs with Bug type moves. Bug Catcher Samurai would be proud.

MegSuicune251
23rd August 2011, 7:40 PM
Personally, I think Alder is just as Bug-type as Lance is Dragon-type. Lance's team consists of 3 dragon types, three flying types. Alder's team consists of three bug types, an ice type, a dragon type, and a normal type. Yeah, I know flying is like dragon, but I think it would just be really cool to have a bug-type champ.

So true. Volcarona ftw!

baseball.dude127
23rd August 2011, 9:04 PM
just saying...if we consider volkner in dp to be electric, how is alder not bug? Ponder that.

Yeul
24th August 2011, 12:01 AM
just saying...if we consider volkner in dp to be electric, how is alder not bug? Ponder that.

Or Flint, for that matter. No wonder they're best buds.

redcharzard
4th September 2011, 6:42 PM
Personally, I think Alder is just as Bug-type as Lance is Dragon-type. Lance's team consists of 3 dragon types, three flying types. Alder's team consists of three bug types, an ice type, a dragon type, and a normal type. Yeah, I know flying is like dragon, but I think it would just be really cool to have a bug-type champ.

His team seems to be bug but have you noticed that all of his pokemon have at least 2x resistence to grass moves? Volcarona has 4x resistence as does Escavalier. Accelgor, Druddigon, and Vanilluxe have 2x resistence while Bouffalent is immune due to it's sap sipper ability. His team also has plenty of anti grass moves such as overheat(I think) bug buzz on 2 pokemon, megahorn on Bouffalent and x=scissor on Escavalier. His team seem to be bug/anti grass based. Although not directly related to this did anyone else figure out volcarona has an uneven amount of hit points? I used stealth rock and when it switched in it's hp was still green.

battle171
2nd March 2012, 6:35 PM
Probably bug, or mostly bug. That, or Pokemons weak to rock type attacks.

Schade
4th March 2012, 1:05 PM
Alder is supposed to be mixed, like the other Champions.
even though, he do use 3/6 Bug-Types

Sweet May
10th March 2012, 12:15 AM
No bumping please!