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Darkerones
29th June 2011, 6:42 AM
This topic is over the usage of Tyranitar. Not how many people use it but how it is being used.

It's almost like people are ignoring it's great offensive stats just because it is a weather starter. I'm seeing more and more defensive T-tars and Utility T-tars and close to no DD tyranitar or choiced Tyranitars. It saddens me a bit to see him not being used as the powerful physical sweeper/stallbreaker he was meant to be when first released in GSC.

I'm by no means saying using the standard weather lead sets is wrong. I'm saying it's wrong not to consider using it like the powerhouse it is. If sandstorm doesn't fancy you then his DW ability Unnerve is not bad at all and with it he is no longer limited to his role as a sandstorm starter and can be used more offensivley like in previous Generations. Some weather starters like Politoed and Abomasnow are meant to be stuck to their weather starter jobs but Tyranitar has potential beyond that. Does anyone share my views?

ChaosBlizzard
29th June 2011, 9:41 AM
Mine is a sweeper. I often switch him in, not even realizing consciously that he changed the weather, and have a kind of "oh yeah, haha" moment when my opponent is forced to take two turns to switch back in their Politoad/Ninetails again.

Cometk
29th June 2011, 9:48 AM
This topic is over the usage of Tyranitar. Not how many people use it but how it is being used.

It's almost like people are ignoring it's great offensive stats just because it is a weather starter. I'm seeing more and more defensive T-tars and Utility T-tars and close to no DD tyranitar or choiced Tyranitars. It saddens me a bit to see him not being used as the powerful physical sweeper/stallbreaker he was meant to be when first released in GSC.

I'm by no means saying using the standard weather lead sets is wrong. I'm saying it's wrong not to consider using it like the powerhouse it is. If sandstorm doesn't fancy you then his DW ability Unnerve is not bad at all and with it he is no longer limited to his role as a sandstorm starter and can be used more offensivley like in previous Generations. Some weather starters like Politoed and Abomasnow are meant to be stuck to their weather starter jobs but Tyranitar has potential beyond that. Does anyone share my views?

the difference between scarftar and spD tar is that one counters latios and the other checks him

dd tar is bad because of scizor and conkeldurr. and even excadrill, and the ironic thing is how tar forces that one on himself.

Fortunato
29th June 2011, 9:49 AM
Well there are 2 sets that easily stand out among the others in todays metagame.

Those are the specially defensive set that is used for more weather reliant teams that need sand to work well and the other is his scarf set that is more for teams that need weather but aren't totally reliant on it. Scarftar is really incredible since he can easily revenge a lot of annoying threats.

Anyways he can run a band set pretty well but that doesn't work very well this gen and neither does a DD set due to the power increase and the predominance of mach punch

Blue Harvest
29th June 2011, 9:52 AM
Scizor, Skarmory, Breloom, Terrakion, Virizion, Excadrill, Scarf Landlos, CONKLEDURR and others are so common now that running a frail DD Tyranitar means more often than not you will not sweep anything.

Specially Defensive TTar is good for taking on Lati@s who are ENORMOUS threats.

But still Tyranitar has other uses now. Choice Scarf Tyranitar still checks a bunch of stuff. Sub / Dark Pulse / Fire Blast / Focus Punch "Tyraniboah" is still good. Choice Band Tyranitar can work, especially Specially Defensive. Dragon Dance is good but its probably the least viable common TTar set in OU right now.

Dattebayo
29th June 2011, 5:43 PM
The same can be said with Politoed and Ninetales; they're only OU because of their DW abilities, and they will most likely not use them for offensive purposes.

kadabra spoon
29th June 2011, 5:46 PM
ecadrill is a pretty good sweeper...

ilucado
29th June 2011, 5:48 PM
Ninetails Sweeps hard if it sets 2 NastyP and as HP ice/flameT/solarB with Jolly nature Maxed spd and sp att

hallstromjr
29th June 2011, 6:39 PM
He's weak to two common priority moves: Mach Punch and Bullet Punch. People dont like him being as frail so they dont lose him to Breloom, Conk, Metagross, Scizor, etc. When hes bulky, he still has excellent offensive stats, which is why so many people run that.

Darkerones
29th June 2011, 9:20 PM
I do realize that Conkeldurr and Scizor an the like stop it cold (and btw with Unnerve Excadrill doesn't get the SR boost and with a DD T-tar outspeeds it) but all I'm saying is it shouldn't be stuck doing just the weather jobs.


Tyraniboah was a favorite of mine and the Speccially defensive DD set Blue harvest mentioned sounds appealing. I remember the Choice Scarf Tyranitars in DPP that almost made me wanna rage quit,I don't see ANY of that anymore. Politoed and Ninetales are stuck to their weather sets because they can't do anything outside of that! Tyranitar can fill in several niches that I believe nobody is taking advantage of.

(I'm sorry ninetales,I love you but you suck in OU!)

Cuddlebuns
29th June 2011, 9:42 PM
(and btw with Unnerve Excadrill doesn't get the SR boost and with a DD T-tar outspeeds it)


How does Unnerve stop SR? I thought it just prevented the opponent from using berries.

I have the most random TTar set I made back when I first got into competitive battling and had no idea what I was doing: Choice Band w/ Payback, Avalanche, Thunderpunch, Earthquake. It's not amazing obviously but also not as terrible as it sounds, at least in my limited experience with it on PO (works great in Battle Tower/Subway though :D ).

Moneyy
29th June 2011, 10:48 PM
I hate the sand stream ability, so I'm going to have to use the DW ability. Tyranitar is a great Pokemon though.

Darkerones
29th June 2011, 10:52 PM
How does Unnerve stop SR? I thought it just prevented the opponent from using berries.

I have the most random TTar set I made back when I first got into competitive battling and had no idea what I was doing: Choice Band w/ Payback, Avalanche, Thunderpunch, Earthquake. It's not amazing obviously but also not as terrible as it sounds, at least in my limited experience with it on PO (works great in Battle Tower/Subway though :D ).

I meant by using unnerve you wouldn't be providing the sandstorm for Excadrill.

3.14kachu
29th June 2011, 11:55 PM
I think Tyranitar with Unnerve is great. It has a great potential to show up on Rain and Sun teams and surprise the foe. I also run a defensive version of Unnerve Tyranitar as a counterpart to Shedinja in Rotation Battles, but that takes a lot of prediction.

Cuddlebuns
30th June 2011, 1:22 AM
I meant by using unnerve you wouldn't be providing the sandstorm for Excadrill.

True, but most people using Excadrill will set up sandstorm themselves.

hallstromjr
30th June 2011, 1:38 AM
True, but most people using Excadrill will set up sandstorm themselves.

But some people through Excadrill on a team just to counter Sand teams..I've done it myself.

Back on subject..Unnerve Tyranitar can be a big surprise for the opponent. They will all think "Here comes the sand team" and will be very shocked when the dirt doesnt blow.

palingensia
30th June 2011, 11:07 AM
the problem with not using sand stream tyranitar is you don't instantly get +1 spd, which means you can't come in on latios at all, in addition to not being able to control the weather. and with the lack of pinch berries you really only nullify resist berries and lum berry, neither of which are really used i believe.

ChaosBlizzard
30th June 2011, 11:49 AM
and with the lack of pinch berries you really only nullify resist berries and lum berry, neither of which are really used i believe.

Using Unnerve over Sand Stream isn't to prevent your opponent from using berries, it is simply because it is not Sand Stream. It could be literally anything so long as it wasn't Sand Stream and it would fit this purpose. The point is to bluff Sand Stream in the preview screen, like bluffing a Choice item.

That said, resist berries aren't terribly common, but they are used somewhat. The Lum berry is quite common however.

Latias_
3rd July 2011, 1:08 AM
DDtar is bad because of priority and Excadrill, and there's pretty much no way you can set up a dragon dance safely since they'll just switch Scizor / Conkeldurr / Excadrill / Breloom in. Unlike last generation where Tyranitar could run a dd set with fire punch and a babiri berry to deal with Scizor and not be worried about priority.

Tyranitar is useful mainly for setting up rocks, sandstorm, and countering Latias, Latios and Reuniclus.

PoignantLyrics
3rd July 2011, 10:17 AM
Can people stop suggesting Unnerve>Sandstream?

It's an idiotic choice which serves no purpose. Bluffing a Sand team? What the hell does that achieve? All it does is make your opponent think they have to get themselves into a weather war, only to realise you're being an idiot and not running the main beneficial aspect of Tyranitar this generation.

Many people have stated in this thread that Sandstream is almost a necessity on TTar these days - it allows it to check Latios, and the fact it can support your team with weather is one of the main reasons it's actually used at all this Gen. Without Sandstream, Tyranitar would be a mediocre, mid/low OU Pokemon.

thatguycharizard34
3rd July 2011, 11:58 AM
Can people stop suggesting Unnerve>Sandstream?

It's an idiotic choice which serves no purpose. Bluffing a Sand team? What the hell does that achieve? All it does is make your opponent think they have to get themselves into a weather war, only to realise you're being an idiot and not running the main beneficial aspect of Tyranitar this generation.

Many people have stated in this thread that Sandstream is almost a necessity on TTar these days - it allows it to check Latios, and the fact it can support your team with weather is one of the main reasons it's actually used at all this Gen. Without Sandstream, Tyranitar would be a mediocre, mid/low OU Pokemon.

I have to agree with this. TTar gets the SpecDef boost in the sand, so removing it in such a specially-based environment where Focus Blast and Hydro Pump are rife is a bit stupid

Toxicated92
3rd July 2011, 12:51 PM
i use mine to set up the sand, so he is more defensive, but i see what you mean, he used to be a choice-sweeper all the time in the day :(

arbiter7x
3rd July 2011, 12:55 PM
Its like the "Dragonite Effect". People who don't have Dragonite back in RBY saw it as GOD, but when you finally get your hands on one it feels like every other Pokemon you fight has an Ice Attack

For Tyrannitar, change Ice to Fighting

Gelatino95
3rd July 2011, 3:38 PM
The main problem with Tyranitar these days is the prevalence of Fighting types all over the place that can OHKO him without breaking a sweat. That said, he can make an excellent late-game sweeper once all the fighting types have been taken care of. But these days, Sandstorm is such an incredible weather condition thanks to Excadrill and Landorus.

hallstromjr
3rd July 2011, 6:38 PM
Its like the "Dragonite Effect". People who don't have Dragonite back in RBY saw it as GOD, but when you finally get your hands on one it feels like every other Pokemon you fight has an Ice Attack

For Tyrannitar, change Ice to Fighting

I think thats the best description..I mean, Fighting is everywhere. There's A LOT of mono fighting teams, not to mention all the Pokemon carrying a fighting move. Thats why we need Sandstream T-tar, for that SpD boost. Unnerve Tyranitar ccould be a surprise, but once they figure it out... *coughsneezemachpunchsneezecough* sorry, had something in my throat.

irock245
4th July 2011, 11:55 PM
seriously guys, tyranitar will stil lbe used for a while, sand or not. You guys keep acting like prediction has no effect in the metagame. I was able to get a tension tyranitar working for a while (but he didn't hive fire blast.....T_T ferrothorn...)

Darkerones
5th July 2011, 12:07 AM
Can people stop suggesting Unnerve>Sandstream?

It's an idiotic choice which serves no purpose. Bluffing a Sand team? What the hell does that achieve? All it does is make your opponent think they have to get themselves into a weather war, only to realise you're being an idiot and not running the main beneficial aspect of Tyranitar this generation.

Many people have stated in this thread that Sandstream is almost a necessity on TTar these days - it allows it to check Latios, and the fact it can support your team with weather is one of the main reasons it's actually used at all this Gen. Without Sandstream, Tyranitar would be a mediocre, mid/low OU Pokemon.


I think thats the best description..I mean, Fighting is everywhere. There's A LOT of mono fighting teams, not to mention all the Pokemon carrying a fighting move. Thats why we need Sandstream T-tar, for that SpD boost. Unnerve Tyranitar ccould be a surprise, but once they figure it out... *coughsneezemachpunchsneezecough* sorry, had something in my throat.



okay,so sandstorm helps Tyranitars special defense,but makes it unusable on anything that isnt a sandstorm team. so thats why people use Unnerve,cuz its not Sand stream,and no,it isnt idiotic to choose a Pokemon with great stats as a wallbreaker and then avoiding its ability that may hurt the rest of the team.

. Metagross has very similar stats to Ttar and DOESNT provide any sort of weather and Earthquake is also,"everywhere" in OU and more people are starting to run Fire moves on things to counter steels,does that mean it isnt used? NO,in fact,i myself am running a Metagross as part of my offensive core.

asterat
5th July 2011, 12:35 AM
Tyranitar isn't bad, it is just that hippowdon is better. He can slack off, stealth rock and EQ and be fine. Tyranitar can stone edge and ohhhh. T-tar was KOed by a fighting move

PoignantLyrics
5th July 2011, 8:51 AM
Tyranitar isn't bad, it is just that hippowdon is better. He can slack off, stealth rock and EQ and be fine. Tyranitar can stone edge and ohhhh. T-tar was KOed by a fighting move

The only similar purpose they serve is to initiate Sandstorm. If you had cared to do any research of the sort, you'd notice Tyranitar is higher in usage than Hippowdon, with good right.

Hippo was KO'ed by Grass Knot, Hydro Pump, Draco Meteor. TTar lived all these.

asterat
5th July 2011, 9:28 AM
Theybhave different purposes.

Darkerones
5th July 2011, 10:47 AM
Hippowdon is...really outclassed. most teams ive seen with Hippowdon also have Tyranitar,lmao

Bestgamepearl
5th July 2011, 3:52 PM
Hippo is better than Ttar...?
Tyranitar has really gotta love his ability...He's the best at holding his own ground after he's switched in, he gets a sp defense boost with it (even though that doesnt solve his ground, fighting, steel type problems, but it damn straight solves his grass and water ones) and he's still a beast attacking. Now granted I use hail and i hate him to death just because i always see him, but facts are facts and i can't lie about them just cuz i don't like him.

Barbeller
5th July 2011, 5:55 PM
Scizor, Skarmory, Breloom, Terrakion, Virizion, Excadrill, Scarf Landlos, CONKLEDURR and others are so common now that running a frail DD Tyranitar means more often than not you will not sweep anything.


But most of these are so common due to Ttar... There is the possibility that someone could use a toxic stall Ttar or b-pass in speed + attack boosts so that all (with the exception of breloom if you toxic stall) of these pokemon were rendered useless... You could also band it just for revenge killing with pursuit or something else.

Ttar outclasses hippowdon as it can actually do somthing. Even if it doesn't do it very often. Ttar gives boosts to other pokemon as well, and there aren't any sandstorm restrictions by tiers, this is why it's #2 on usage lists.

Tyranitar isn't bad, it is just that hippowdon is better. He can slack off, stealth rock and EQ and be fine. Tyranitar can stone edge and ohhhh. T-tar was KOed by a fighting move
Ice moves and switching. Two very common things.

DarkLink3
7th July 2011, 6:51 AM
I, myself use the Special Wall bulky Tyranitar. It's really good. I use mine with 252 HP 180 sp.atk 76 special defense. SR Ice Beam Superpower and Fire Blast.