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Nikator
18th August 2011, 5:02 AM
Ok thats me done for the evening, fairly sure I've got the hang of it now XD.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/bc/Spr_5b_622_s.png
Golett | OT:Nikator
Adamant | Iron Fist
31/31/31/31/31/31
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/55/Spr_5b_619_s.png
Mienfoo | OT:Nikator
Naive | Regenerator
31/31/31/31/31/30
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/ea/Spr_5b_570_s.png
Zorua | OT:Nikator
Timid | Illusion
31/31/31/31/31/31
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/de/Spr_5b_633_s.png
Deino | OT:Nikator
Modest | Hustle
31/31/31/31/31/31
Some of them have egg moves, but i'm too tired to type them now, I might edit them in later..

Beck
18th August 2011, 5:11 AM
Ok thats me done for the evening, fairly sure I've got the hang of it now XD.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/bc/Spr_5b_622_s.png
Golett | OT:Nikator
Adamant | Iron Fist
31/31/31/31/31/31
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/55/Spr_5b_619_s.png
Mienfoo | OT:Nikator
Naive | Regenerator
31/31/31/31/31/30
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/ea/Spr_5b_570_s.png
Zorua | OT:Nikator
Timid | Illusion
31/31/31/31/31/31
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/de/Spr_5b_633_s.png
Deino | OT:Nikator
Modest | Hustle
31/31/31/31/31/31
Some of them have egg moves, but i'm too tired to type them now, I might edit them in later..

Wow. Look at you go. Those are all awesome; just perfect, as they should be.

jolteon135
18th August 2011, 5:13 AM
Ok thats me done for the evening, fairly sure I've got the hang of it now XD.

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/bc/Spr_5b_622_s.png
Golett | OT:Nikator
Adamant | Iron Fist
31/31/31/31/31/31
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/55/Spr_5b_619_s.png
Mienfoo | OT:Nikator
Naive | Regenerator
31/31/31/31/31/30
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/ea/Spr_5b_570_s.png
Zorua | OT:Nikator
Timid | Illusion
31/31/31/31/31/31
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/de/Spr_5b_633_s.png
Deino | OT:Nikator
Modest | Hustle
31/31/31/31/31/31
Some of them have egg moves, but i'm too tired to type them now, I might edit them in later..

Wow, good work. Why'd you go for the 30 speed HP ice though? Generally it's better to have 31 speed (if possible) and 30 in something else for hidden powers. For HP Ice Mienfoo I'd probably go for 30/31/30/31/31/31.

Hidden Powers (http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/breeding_guide_part4)

Nikator
18th August 2011, 11:39 AM
I didn't understand how hidden powers work, I just looked up the smogon set and saw that HP Ice was the one to go for and had seen elsewhere someone drop a speed stat to get it. Thanks for the link, I think I will re-breed dropping something else.

The Eleventh
18th August 2011, 2:03 PM
I didn't understand how hidden powers work, I just looked up the smogon set and saw that HP Ice was the one to go for and had seen elsewhere someone drop a speed stat to get it. Thanks for the link, I think I will re-breed dropping something else.
I find this (http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/Calculators/HiddenPower.aspx) easier when looking for a specific Hidden Power. (:

Suffice
19th August 2011, 12:44 AM
Maybe someone can help me see whats wrong.... ^^;

After calibrating my Org.DS(by entering and sweet scenting pkmn just inside the entrance of victory rd.), I was getting C7F and C80. I pressed 'use in timer finder' generated codes for Iv's 31 hp, 31 attk(Set to Method 5(standard seed)- Stationary pkmn, Enc ounter: any, then saved in front of Terrakion.
Set the target date (8/01/11), the target time is 00:12:26 (Timer0: C7F) (Also tried Timer0: C80.)

I Enter the game at 00:12:25, Target frame is 4, so I view my Chatots summary 3 times then catch Terrakion but I get the wrong IV's (caught him at least 9 times and have checked IV's. Very annoying to do without a Masterball X'D)

Also I have checked the Adjacent seeds and they don't match up with any of the seeds listed.
(Btw, I have Umbreon in front, so its syncronzing its nature if that makes a diffrence?)

Any ideas on what I could be doing wrong? Maybe I should re-calibrate? ect? Thanks in advance. :)

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http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn198/Zapfur/RNG1.png

jolteon135
19th August 2011, 12:59 AM
Maybe someone can help me see whats wrong.... ^^;

After calibrating my Org.DS(by entering and sweet scenting pkmn just inside the entrance of victory rd.), I was getting C7F and C80. I pressed 'use in timer finder' generated codes for Iv's 31 hp, 31 attk(Set to Method 5(standard seed)- Stationary pkmn, Enc ounter: any, then saved in front of Terrakion.
Set the target date (8/01/11), the target time is 00:12:26 (Timer0: C7F) (Also tried Timer0: C80.)

I Enter the game at 00:12:25, Target frame is 4, so I view my Chatots summary 3 times then catch Terrakion but I get the wrong IV's (caught him at least 9 times and have checked IV's. Very annoying to do without a Masterball X'D)

Also I have checked the Adjacent seeds and they don't match up with any of the seeds listed.
(Btw, I have Umbreon in front, so its syncronzing its nature if that makes a diffrence?)

Any ideas on whaty I could be doing wrong? Maybe I should re-calibrate? ect? Thanks in advance. :)
There are 2 RNGs and thus 2 frames. IVRNG controls your IVs. The IVRNG starts on frame 1 and walking 128 steps with Z Pokemon in your party advances the IV Frame by Z. I'm guessing 4 is your IV Frame so you need to walk 128 steps with 3 Pokemon in your party to advance from frame 1 to 4.

The other RNG is the PIDRNG and it controls everything else. By everything else I mean absolutely everything else including nature, ability, encounter slot (what Pokemon you encounter), gender, shininess etc. The PIDRNG is the one that's advanced by viewing Chatot's summary. Here's a video I made about how to choose a PID frame and manipulate thePIDRNG: video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpi8XR0dXTc)
There are 2 more videos on that channel. You don't need those videos if you're only going for a non-shiny stationary and you have a synchronizer but you might find them useful when you start RNGing wild Pokemon/shinies. Good luck.

Suffice
19th August 2011, 1:05 AM
There are 2 RNGs and thus 2 frames. IVRNG controls your IVs. The IVRNG starts on frame 1 and walking 128 steps with Z Pokemon in your party advances the IV Frame by Z. I'm guessing 4 is your IV Frame so you need to walk 128 steps with 3 Pokemon in your party to advance from frame 1 to 4.

The other RNG is the PIDRNG and it controls everything else. By everything else I mean absolutely everything else including nature, ability, encounter slot (what Pokemon you encounter), gender, shininess etc. The PIDRNG is the one that's advanced by viewing Chatot's summary. Here's a video I made about how to choose a PID frame and manipulate thePIDRNG: video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpi8XR0dXTc)
There are 2 more videos on that channel. You don't need those videos if you're only going for a non-shiny stationary and you have a synchronizer but you might find them useful when you start RNGing wild Pokemon/shinies. Good luck.

Ah! so thats why, I thought that the chatots worked for both ones, tsk, I should have realized that, thanks. :3

jolteon135
19th August 2011, 1:08 AM
Ah! so thats why, I thought that the chatots worked for both ones, tsk, I should have realized that, thanks. :3

You're welcome. Btw why are you going for such crappy IVs? Under 5th gen DS parameters set 2 (or 3) keypresses and search for better IVs. It should be easy to get something much better than what you chose if you have 2 keypresses and you're not going for a shiny. Keypresses are just buttons you hold after starting up the game. After you press A to start up the game you grab and hold your keypresses (do it quickly) until the game freak logo comes on then you can let go and enter the game.

Kailassa
19th August 2011, 1:49 AM
Jolteon, I noticed you asked a question in the old RNGing thread which was never answered.

You asked, "Why would you RNG a Vulpix in the entralink when you can breed for one? (For the Poke ball?) ."

The answer is that some Dream World moves cannot be inherited. For example, the only hidden ability Vulpix or Carvanha which can legitimately have Dark Pulse are ones caught in Entree Forest, as Dark Pulse is a Dream World move for both but not an egg move.

Butterfree can get Air Cutter or Roost in the Dream World, but Butterfree has no egg moves at all.

Secret Power can't be learned by or inherited Pidgy, but it can be obtained in the Dream World.

For Arcanine, there's Endure.

For Starmie, there's Icy Wind and Recycle.

For Kabutops there's Stealth Rock.

Swift Swim Poliwrath can only have Sleep Talk if it was caught (as a Poliwag) in Entree Forest.

So C-Gear RNGing would be quite a useful skill to learn.

Tarro57
19th August 2011, 1:54 AM
I noticed Jolteon asked a question in the old RNGing thread which was never answered.

He asked, "Why would you RNG a Vulpix in the entralink when you can breed for one? (For the Poke ball?) ."

The answer is that some Dream World moves cannot be inherited. For example, the only hidden ability Vulpix or Carvanha which can legitimately have Dark Pulse are ones caught in Entree Forest, as Dark Pulse is a Dream World move for both but not an egg move.

Butterfree can get Air Cutter or Roost in the Dream World, but Butterfree has no egg moves at all.

Secret Power can't be learned by or inherited Pidgy, but it can be obtained in the Dream World.

For Arcanine, there's Endure.

For Starmie, there's Icy Wind and Recycle.

For Kabutops there's Stealth Rock.

Swift Swim Poliwrath can only have Sleep Talk if it was caught (as a Poliwag) in Entree Forest.

So C-Gear RNGing would be quite a useful skill to learn.

Whoa. That just blew my mind. I never thought of that. I NEED to learn C-Gear RNG now incase there is a Pokemon I want to get like that. Good post, highly helpful. ^o^

Ironbiterknight
19th August 2011, 1:57 AM
Do the sparks in Chargestone cave throw off the PIDRNG?

R3d3mpti0n
19th August 2011, 2:26 AM
Ironbiterknight: They do not. If they did I wouldn't have caught my desired flawless Joltik.

Xeluu
19th August 2011, 2:47 AM
I'm curious, is there any way, given you know your Seed (the number letter combination) to reverse look up the information on it? Mostly I'm wondering in terms of the timer0, since my fluctuates fairly regularly, and some of the earlier seeds I wrote down I didn't write the timer0 for.

Other than that, working on getting my shiny flawless Growlithe. I'm breeding for her with a Smeargle, so she'll have Flare Blitz, Close Combat, and Morning Sun as egg moves.

Ironbiterknight
19th August 2011, 2:48 AM
Yeah, I just caught a Joltik for a friend of mine that was flawless, though I went to a spot in the cave where there no sparks or npcs.

jolteon135
19th August 2011, 4:25 AM
Jolteon, I noticed you asked a question in the old RNGing thread which was never answered.

You asked, "Why would you RNG a Vulpix in the entralink when you can breed for one? (For the Poke ball?) ."

The answer is that some Dream World moves cannot be inherited. For example, the only hidden ability Vulpix or Carvanha which can legitimately have Dark Pulse are ones caught in Entree Forest, as Dark Pulse is a Dream World move for both but not an egg move.

Butterfree can get Air Cutter or Roost in the Dream World, but Butterfree has no egg moves at all.

Secret Power can't be learned by or inherited Pidgy, but it can be obtained in the Dream World.

For Arcanine, there's Endure.

For Starmie, there's Icy Wind and Recycle.

For Kabutops there's Stealth Rock.

Swift Swim Poliwrath can only have Sleep Talk if it was caught (as a Poliwag) in Entree Forest.

So C-Gear RNGing would be quite a useful skill to learn.
I see your point about the moves but usually 1 or 2 things is true.
a) The move is useless/rarely usable (e.g. air cutter/roost on Butterfree. Butterfree isn't roost stalling anything with those pitiful defenses)
b) The DW ability is useless/not as good regular ability (e.g. Starmie. Analytic is a horrible ability for such a fast Pokemon)
I mean if you're good at c-gear RNGing then go for it but I don't see why the average RNGer would want to go through all that trouble for horrible moves/abilities.


I'm curious, is there any way, given you know your Seed (the number letter combination) to reverse look up the information on it? Mostly I'm wondering in terms of the timer0, since my fluctuates fairly regularly, and some of the earlier seeds I wrote down I didn't write the timer0 for.
Yes. Do a parameter search.

Kailassa
19th August 2011, 4:46 AM
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I mean if you're good at c-gear RNGing then go for it but I don't see why the average RNGer would want to go through all that trouble for horrible moves/abilities.

You wouldn't like a DW Vulpix with Dark Pulse? That's the one I'd most like to RNG. But I might not ever get it done, as I still don't have a clue about C-Gear RNGing.

If I do get around to it, there are ~100 DW pokes in my forest to practice on.

Xeluu
19th August 2011, 4:52 AM
http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/058.gifhttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/059.gif
Growlithe|Female|Jolly|Intimidate
Type:http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/type/fire.gif
Close Combant|Flare Blitz|Morning Sun|TBD
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31


This little girl kept trying to elude me, the first few times I hatched to test for SSF I kept getting different answers, and then, of all things, my timer0 went and changed on me right after I found my SSF. In fact I hatched another shiny female with 31/31/31/x/x/x Just to be able to better breed her. So she's the one I've spent the most time on thus far, but she's a shiny I've wanted ever since 4th gen. (I spent 2-3 hours chaining, found a shiny growlithe, chucked some sorta pokeball... and it roar'd on me, breaking my chain. I'd forgotten that was all they knew at that level. D:< )

Now to find a scyther, although he'll be one I don't want as a shiny.

jolteon135
19th August 2011, 5:00 AM
You wouldn't like a DW Vulpix with Dark Pulse?
Meh, not really. :|
What would it help against? Jellicent, Slowbro, Slowking? You can use solarbeam/energy ball for those.
neutral Flamethrower in sun: 95*1.5*1.5=213 power
Super effective dark pulse: 80*2=160 power

So dark pulse is pretty useless.


That's the one I'd most like to RNG. But I might not ever get it done, as I still don't have a clue about C-Gear RNGing.

If I do get around to it, there are ~100 DW pokes in my forest to practice on.
Well if you need help with that you can VM me. It's not really harder to learn, just harder to hit your seed and you'll need a ton of rare candies to figure out what seed/delay you're hitting when you hit the wrong delay.

TDawg
19th August 2011, 8:28 AM
Got this guy now. For a trade but I'm definitely saving this seed.

http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/252.gifhttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/253.gifhttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/254.gif
Treecko|Male|Timid|Overgrow
Type:http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/type/grass.gif|Hatched: Skyarrow Bridge 7/01/11
Moves: Pound | Leer |Leech Seed
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31

The Eleventh
19th August 2011, 5:01 PM
Cool RNG, TDawg. I'm starting to increase my collection of Dream World females now. Yesterday, I got both Poliwag and Carvanha. I have no idea where my DS Phat is right now, so I can't RNG at the moment. ): Hopefully I'll find it soon.

darthmalice777
19th August 2011, 5:53 PM
Just bred this one for my team....


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Starmie | OT: Malice
Timid | Natural Cure | Hatched: 8/19/11 | Route 3
Rapid Spin | Surf | Thunderbolt | Recover
31/31/31/31/31/31

Nikator
19th August 2011, 6:29 PM
Nice Starmie! I rebred my Mienfoo as suggested for the IV's and decided to breed a Frillish:



http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/619.gif
Mienfoo http://www.pokecheck.org/i/male.png
Regenerator | Naive
30/31/30/31/31/31
Hi Jump Kick | Fake Out | U-Turn | HP Ice

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/592.gif
Frillish http://www.pokecheck.org/i/male.png
Cursed Body | Bold
31/31/31/31/31/31
Recover | Scald | Will-o-Wisp | Ice Beam


I need a final member for my in game team (Unova only).. So far I have Axew, Mienfoo and Gollett as physical attackers, Zoroa and Deino as Sp.Atk's so I need one more Sp. Atkr.. I'm thinking a Reuniclus is the final piece of the puzzle =)

darthmalice777
19th August 2011, 6:34 PM
Nice Starmie! I rebred my Mienfoo as suggested for the IV's and decided to breed a Frillish:



http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/619.gif
Mienfoo http://www.pokecheck.org/i/male.png
Regenerator | Naive
30/31/30/31/31/31
Hi Jump Kick | Fake Out | U-Turn | HP Ice

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/592.gif
Frillish http://www.pokecheck.org/i/male.png
Cursed Body | Bold
31/31/31/31/31/31
Recover | Scald | Will-o-Wisp | Ice Beam


I need a final member for my in game team (Unova only).. So far I have Axew, Mienfoo and Gollett as physical attackers, Zoroa and Deino as Sp.Atk's so I need one more Sp. Atkr.. I'm thinking a Reuniclus is the final piece of the puzzle =)

Don't forget about Lilligant and Chandelure too. Both have nice SpA and decent speed as well. Sigilyph is always a nice choice if you're going for a psychic-type too. Not that I think Reuniclus is a bad choice, just throwing out some other options.

Kitara
19th August 2011, 7:18 PM
I hate oshawott. I hate oshawott. I hate it.IhateitIhateit.

I find a seed and hit it at least 9 times after finding my ssf. But I can't get the oshawott that should be there. I find a different seed, slightly improved results. I don't know or care if it's the DS, the timer0, or me. This has been the most frustrating rng I've tried so far.

But finally, I have 4 shiny flawless oshawotts. 3 for my pokedex and 1 for a new game I'm going to run with all flawless and some shiny pokemon I'll trade over as soon as allowed. New game team will be Pidove, Blitzel, Roggenrola, Snivy, Tepig, and Oshawott.

Oshawott from hell:


http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/501.gif
Nature: Modest
IV: 31/31/31/31/31/31

Nikator
19th August 2011, 7:19 PM
Don't forget about Lilligant and Chandelure too. Both have nice SpA and decent speed as well. Sigilyph is always a nice choice if you're going for a psychic-type too. Not that I think Reuniclus is a bad choice, just throwing out some other options.

Cheers! I already have a flawless Chandelure (non-shiny, my first RNG from a few weeks back) so might run with that. I will hopefully get round to breeding both the lilligant and Sigilyph too. Though I don't have a natu/murkrow to teach the egg move just yet so will have to crack on with my soul silver first before I can get the Sigilyph - but I just looked up its Smogon set. If you could remove any dark types before bringing that thing out it could be pretty much unstoppable!


I hate oshawott. I hate oshawott. I hate it.IhateitIhateit.
Yeah I realised yesterday my Ferroseed was the wrong spread so went back to try and get another, I admitted defeat after about 7 more failed attempts. Well done for persevering!

R3d3mpti0n
19th August 2011, 7:28 PM
Xeluu, your timer0 isn't really fluctuating. I had the same problem during my first two days into RNG. RNG Reporter's timer0 kept fluctuating between C7C and C7B during my calibrations. I noticed that whenever I calibrated for C7B, I'd miss every single seed while I'd hit almost all of my seeds using C7C so I stuck with it.

My guess is that there's a slight margin of error during calibration while your DS really only uses 1 timer0.

TDawg
19th August 2011, 8:06 PM
Cool RNG, TDawg. I'm starting to increase my collection of Dream World females now. Yesterday, I got both Poliwag and Carvanha. I have no idea where my DS Phat is right now, so I can't RNG at the moment. ): Hopefully I'll find it soon.

Thanks Speed. I am too. Actually the trade was for a DW Poliwag:D I am making a rain team to make things interesting. My other team is on hold as it really had many holes and patches I needed to fix. So I will probably be putting up a whole team of RNGd pokes!

Ironbiterknight
19th August 2011, 9:42 PM
Ok, so I have another, probably stupid question. If while I'm in the Breeding subtext, if I'm using a ditto parent but don't have the box checked will it throw off me RNG? or is that solely if I'm shiny hunting?

darthmalice777
19th August 2011, 9:49 PM
Ok, so I have another, probably stupid question. If while I'm in the Breeding subtext, if I'm using a ditto parent but don't have the box checked will it throw off me RNG? or is that solely if I'm shiny hunting?

I believe it's just for the shiny factor, but I would check it anyway. The more accurate information you give RNG reporter, the more accurate information it gives you back.

Ironbiterknight
19th August 2011, 9:58 PM
I have another one. I see all of these people breeding shiny, flawless eggs. What menu was used? Was it the 4th/5th Shiny Egg menu? Or the RNG Reporter BW Breeding menu?

darthmalice777
19th August 2011, 10:10 PM
I have another one. I see all of these people breeding shiny, flawless eggs. What menu was used? Was it the 4th/5th Shiny Egg menu? Or the RNG Reporter BW Breeding menu?

You start in the "4th/5th Gen Shiny Egg" tab on the Time Finder window. Once you input all of your information and get your seed, you the copy the seed number and paste it into "Seed(hex)" tab on the main RNG reporter window. Click "Calculate Initial PIDRNG Frame" button, and then click "Generate". From here you need to read a guide or come back here for how to find your SSF (Shifted Starting Frame) due to the NPCs near the daycare on Route 3.

Ironbiterknight
19th August 2011, 10:13 PM
Ok. That window functions like the Time Finder

Shinepoke
19th August 2011, 10:55 PM
Ok, so I have another, probably stupid question. If while I'm in the Breeding subtext, if I'm using a ditto parent but don't have the box checked will it throw off me RNG? or is that solely if I'm shiny hunting?

The ditto box not being checked movs the pid frame by 1, so yes it will throw you off. Just check the box it's not too hard, only 1 click.

I'm too lazy to train my rnged pokemon. I wish I could RNG pokemon for some1 that trains my for me. or has lots of rare candys.

Xeluu
19th August 2011, 11:02 PM
Xeluu, your timer0 isn't really fluctuating. I had the same problem during my first two days into RNG. RNG Reporter's timer0 kept fluctuating between C7C and C7B during my calibrations. I noticed that whenever I calibrated for C7B, I'd miss every single seed while I'd hit almost all of my seeds using C7C so I stuck with it.

My guess is that there's a slight margin of error during calibration while your DS really only uses 1 timer0.

I actually have hit seeds from both timer0s, on a regular basis. So I'm pretty sure it actually is fluctuating, not always, but just often enough that if I go from hitting the seed consistently, to consistently hitting a different one, I can pretty much just check and see that it's shifted from one to the other. That usually lasts for a day to a week, and then it'll fluctuate back to the other one. *shrug* I dunno, I've got an oooooooold original ds, so maybe that's effecting it.

On the hunt for a female DW Buneary/Lopunny currently to make myself a flawless shiny male. >_< No luck finding one so far. Other than that, may end up trying to rng in 4th gen a flawless Scyther for myself since there are 2 Gen IV only moves that I want for it.

Kitara
19th August 2011, 11:28 PM
I spoke too soon. My last post about the hated oshawott, I wrote that while rnging the 4th one. 2 hours later, I gave up. I even switched seeds again.

@ Xeluu, that's interesting. Maybe I need to try a few seeds with the other timer0 and see what happens.

Ironbiterknight
20th August 2011, 1:31 AM
Should I use the Capture Tab for egg pokemon? Or the 4th/5th Shiny Egg tab? This is for getting a flawless Deino. I have a flawless mother, and a father with 3 31 IVs that I know off. How should I get this Deino to be flawless?

TDawg
20th August 2011, 1:35 AM
Use the SHiny egg tab if you want shinies. You can get it flawless either way

Ironbiterknight
20th August 2011, 1:43 AM
The only reason I'm having trouble, is everytime I get a flawless seed, and then when I breed it with a flawless mother and a not good parent I only get 3 flawless stats. Am I just NOT hitting my seed or is something else going on?

Benefactor
20th August 2011, 1:47 AM
Should I use the Capture Tab for egg pokemon? Or the 4th/5th Shiny Egg tab? This is for getting a flawless Deino. I have a flawless mother, and a father with 3 31 IVs that I know off. How should I get this Deino to be flawless?

You can use the Capture Tab, all eggs are on IV frame 8. There isn't really a neat way to do this like the shiny ones, just put in maybe 4 or 5 31s and search for seeds. When you have some seeds check them in the main screen of RNG Reporter using Breeding BW (or international if this applies). Look for a good inheritance set, you can make it easier by right-clicking on the table and clicking Display Parent In Search, entering the parents IVs plus the IVs you got from your seed.

Too Funk to Druck
20th August 2011, 1:47 AM
The only reason I'm having trouble, is everytime I get a flawless seed, and then when I breed it with a flawless mother and a not good parent I only get 3 flawless stats. Am I just NOT hitting my seed or is something else going on?

You're not hitting your seed or your timer0 is fluctuating. I would use the shiny egg tab because you can control inheritance which you can't do O'm the capture tab.

Ironbiterknight
20th August 2011, 4:35 AM
Ok, so I realize this is probably a dumb question too, but in the 4th/5th Gen Shiny Egg, the Frame the same as PID I assume since all the stats are already there?

Xeluu
20th August 2011, 6:23 AM
So, while I know this isn't particularly 5th gen related (it is to me since I'll be importing this Poke...) Any advice for IV RNGing on Diamond/Platinum? I'd like to get a near flawless Scyther, but only in Gen IV can it learn Roost and some other cool moves.
I've scanned through the Smogon guide but am not quite getting it. I'm thinking part of my problem is the fact that I'm trying to RNG in an area with NPCs (the ONLY spot where Scyther is. >_<), but I'm not sure that's entirely it. If I start on the proper seed, will the coinflips be the same no matter what PID frame I'm on?

Perhaps I need to start somewhere in there where there's no NPCs for practice....

TDawg
20th August 2011, 6:36 AM
So, while I know this isn't particularly 5th gen related (it is to me since I'll be importing this Poke...) Any advice for IV RNGing on Diamond/Platinum? I'd like to get a near flawless Scyther, but only in Gen IV can it learn Roost and some other cool moves.
I've scanned through the Smogon guide but am not quite getting it. I'm thinking part of my problem is the fact that I'm trying to RNG in an area with NPCs (the ONLY spot where Scyther is. >_<), but I'm not sure that's entirely it. If I start on the proper seed, will the coinflips be the same no matter what PID frame I'm on?

Perhaps I need to start somewhere in there where there's no NPCs for practice....

Honestly you should probably shoot Jolteon a VM about it. He's one of the wisest when it somes to RNG in any gen.

NoDice
20th August 2011, 8:03 PM
So, while I know this isn't particularly 5th gen related (it is to me since I'll be importing this Poke...) Any advice for IV RNGing on Diamond/Platinum? I'd like to get a near flawless Scyther, but only in Gen IV can it learn Roost and some other cool moves.
I've scanned through the Smogon guide but am not quite getting it. I'm thinking part of my problem is the fact that I'm trying to RNG in an area with NPCs (the ONLY spot where Scyther is. >_<), but I'm not sure that's entirely it. If I start on the proper seed, will the coinflips be the same no matter what PID frame I'm on?

Perhaps I need to start somewhere in there where there's no NPCs for practice....

I cant RNG on gen 4 or anything but one thing you need to keep in mind is that PID and IV RNG are the same thing for Platinum, Diamond, Pearl, Heart Gold and Soul Silver. Meaning that the same RNG (MTRNG) determines IVs, Nature, Ability, Gender and Shininess. They arent seperate like in Black/White. Im not sure where there are videos, but Im sure if you scour Smogon there should be some video guides you can watch.

Also, because the one RNG determines everything, there are many things you are limited on. You may not be able to even find a near flawless spread, with the nature AND ability you want for your Scyther. When RNGing in Gen 4 its not uncommon for people to start over and RNG their Trainer ID and Secret ID so that certain flawless spreads are available to them.

darthmalice777
21st August 2011, 12:03 AM
Finally got this guy EV trained and battle-ready...


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/mrmalice/006.gif
Charizard http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/mrmalice/male.png | OT: Malice
Timid | Blaze | Hatched 8/19/11 | Route 3
Focus Blast | Fire Blast | Solarbeam | Air Slash
31/31/31/31/31/31 | EVs: 0/0/4/252/0/252

nassirdada
21st August 2011, 4:25 PM
in 5th gen shiny egg in rng reporter , if the baby gets (from 2 flawless parents ) Ma/Ma/Ma/x/x/x ( x as in blanks ) or whatever Ma or Fe because the parents are flawless ... does it mean only the first 3 IVs will be flawless and the rest are random ?

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
21st August 2011, 4:27 PM
in 5th gen shiny egg in rng reporter , if the baby gets (from 2 flawless parents ) Ma/Ma/Ma/x/x/x ( x as in blanks ) or whatever Ma or Fe because the parents are flawless ... does it mean only the first 3 IVs will be flawless and the rest are random ?

In this case, the rest of the IVs will be the last three that you've searched for on the right of the window when you hit your target PID frame.

Kailassa
21st August 2011, 5:24 PM
I actually have hit seeds from both timer0s, on a regular basis. So I'm pretty sure it actually is fluctuating, not always, but just often enough that if I go from hitting the seed consistently, to consistently hitting a different one, I can pretty much just check and see that it's shifted from one to the other. That usually lasts for a day to a week, and then it'll fluctuate back to the other one. *shrug* I dunno, I've got an oooooooold original ds, so maybe that's effecting it.

On the hunt for a female DW Buneary/Lopunny currently to make myself a flawless shiny male. >_< No luck finding one so far. Other than that, may end up trying to rng in 4th gen a flawless Scyther for myself since there are 2 Gen IV only moves that I want for it.

I have the same situation as you; half the time timer0 is on C80 and the other half it's on C7F. And mine can stick for days too. I'm using a DS lite, so it's not having an original DS that's doing this to you.

On the bright side, it means I have twice as many seeds to search for, because I search for both values, and I've found saving a week ahead and doing some battles usually makes it switch.


I have a female Buneary in Entree Forest on my Japanese cartridge. If you want one badly I could get hold of it and give you a clone. - If my new wireless router will let me trade. Just got it set up yesterday and connecting with IR GTS has become a trifle difficult. Haven't tried trading with it yet.

Kailassa
21st August 2011, 5:31 PM
Meh, not really. :|
What would it help against? Jellicent, Slowbro, Slowking? You can use solarbeam/energy ball for those.
neutral Flamethrower in sun: 95*1.5*1.5=213 power
Super effective dark pulse: 80*2=160 power

So dark pulse is pretty useless.
You're right.
Sometimes I forget to do those calculations.



Well if you need help with that you can VM me. It's not really harder to learn, just harder to hit your seed and you'll need a ton of rare candies to figure out what seed/delay you're hitting when you hit the wrong delay.
I've finally worked out what VM means here. ;) I'm not used to this forum yet.
Thanks for the offer, it's something I want to do once I've got the current stuff under my belt.

I've just begun Black so I can RNG all the legends this time, so I'm busily doing the gyms and working my way up to Victory Road so I can start RNGing again.

Ironbiterknight
22nd August 2011, 1:39 AM
Ok, so trying Egg Breeding. I found a flawless seed, had a flawless parent and an unknown parent. When I picked up the egg, hit the seed and all that it only had 5 perfect stats instead of 6. What could be causing that?

NoDice
22nd August 2011, 3:24 AM
Ok, so trying Egg Breeding. I found a flawless seed, had a flawless parent and an unknown parent. When I picked up the egg, hit the seed and all that it only had 5 perfect stats instead of 6. What could be causing that?

You hit the wrong PID frame.

Ironbiterknight
22nd August 2011, 3:32 AM
Thats it? Damn it. I don't know how to hit the Y button fast enough so that there's not that like two second window after the season bar fades. I can be mashing it like mad and the pokemon in the upper right ALWAYS move.

Too Funk to Druck
22nd August 2011, 3:49 AM
Thats it? Damn it. I don't know how to hit the Y button fast enough so that there's not that like two second window after the season bar fades. I can be mashing it like mad and the pokemon in the upper right ALWAYS move.

You're not going to beat the wandering NPCs. You have to account for their advancements by looking for a frame that matches the results you get, and then altering your own advancements accordingly.

Beck
22nd August 2011, 4:33 AM
You're not going to beat the wandering NPCs. You have to account for their advancements by looking for a frame that matches the results you get, and then altering your own advancements accordingly.

Actually, the Pokemon in the top right corner of Route 3 are Stationary, or are at least considered so because of their continuous path (much like the Bikers on Route 9). The two wandering NPCs are located to the left of the Day Care (when facing the Day Care) and on the bridge just before Nacrene City.


Thats it? Damn it. I don't know how to hit the Y button fast enough so that there's not that like two second window after the season bar fades. I can be mashing it like mad and the pokemon in the upper right ALWAYS move.

Hit your seed. Once you enter the game and see the season pop up mash X as quickly as possible to pull up your party menu. Once up go to Chatot and view its summary once. Exit the party, then exit the menu, hitting A as quickly as possible to recieve your Egg. Once recieved hatch the Egg. You can verify your seed by flying to Victory Road and catching a Wild Pokemon, and if its IVs match that of your seed you know you've hit it and can continue to hatch your Egg (I, personally, like to hatch it without seed confirmation because I'm just too impatient).

Once you hatch your Egg there are one of two things that can happen. First, if you cannot find a PIDRNG frame that matches the characteristics of your offspring (such as Gender, IV inheritence, Nature, etc.) then you have not hit your seed. This can be because you missed the time and/or required keypresses or your Timer0 is fluctuating. Second (and this is the option you should hope for), you did hit your seed and you can find your PIDRNG frame. This new frame, which should be no lower then 3-6 frames below your calculated initial (and if it is refer back to option one) is your Shifted Starting Frame, or SSF. It is your "new" 'Starting Frame', because it is 'Shifted' down. Make sense? So let me give you an example: My calculated Starting Frame is 45. I hatch my Egg after one Chatot and my PIDRNG frame is at 50 (assuming I have hit my seed, of course). From this I can tell that my Shifted Starting Frame is 50, and that if my Target Frame is 70, I need to make 21 advancements. How do I know this? Other than observation skills, I can use this formula (I like to call it the FAR formula because I'm nerdy and enjoy making acronyms):

(Target Frame - Shifted Starting Frame) +1 = Frame Advancements Required

*(i.e. (70 - 50) +1 = 21)

Thus I would need to advance my PIDRNG frame by 21 the next time I hit my seed. Remember not to save after you hatch your first Egg, a mistake or not. If you re-save in front of the Day Care man you can potentiall alter your SSF as it's not always the same: it can be more or less depending on the position of the Wandering NPCs or the speed you open and close the menu. Trust me, hatching four to five additional Eggs only to realize your SSF has changed because of your carelessness is heart-wrenching.

So skimming over my post I can't see anything else that is really necessary to include. If you have anymore questions, or are still confused, Iron, please, ask away. Good luck!

TDawg
22nd August 2011, 7:11 AM
Man I have been using my girlfriends laptop to RNG since the beginning and now her moms wants it backO_o so I wont be able to RNG much anymore. I might use the family computer put its not something I can sit down and concentrate with everyone around:/... This sucks lol.

Xeluu
22nd August 2011, 7:35 AM
Still workin' on RNGing that scyther in Pokemon Diamond. I've got my egg set, so it'll be a male, adamant, with technician... but this is one of 2 I'll be RNG'ing . The first one I'm RNG'ing with 31 in 3 stats, so that when I RNG the second I can make him as close to perfect as possible.

Biggest problem right now is that I can hit the proper time, but not the proper delay... it's driving me nuts! >_<

EDIT: Got my first RNG'd scyther! He's got a spread of 31/13/31/20/18/31. So I'm half-way done now.

@Kailassa:
If you wind up doing anything with it that would be wonderful, but I'm in no rush right now. Right now I'm focusing on the scyther in 4th gen.

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
22nd August 2011, 2:57 PM
Man I have been using my girlfriends laptop to RNG since the beginning and now her moms wants it backO_o so I wont be able to RNG much anymore. I might use the family computer put its not something I can sit down and concentrate with everyone around:/... This sucks lol.

You may want to compile seeds that you use often on paper, so you're at least able to RNG capture/breed something rather than being a sitting duck without a PC. That's just what I would do.

Tarro57
22nd August 2011, 3:00 PM
Man I have been using my girlfriends laptop to RNG since the beginning and now her moms wants it backO_o so I wont be able to RNG much anymore. I might use the family computer put its not something I can sit down and concentrate with everyone around:/... This sucks lol.

You've been using your girlfriends laptop?! lol! Sorry, but I find that funny, well, do what Advent tm said. You could also use the family computer, that's what I do, it isn't hard.

TDawg
22nd August 2011, 8:32 PM
Yeah that's what I will do. Good idea Advent

@Tarro lol I know I find it funny too! Her mom is really weird though. Idk why I even started using on her laptop in the first place.

Aeros
22nd August 2011, 9:16 PM
I haven't posted here in about 10 pages, so I might as well update with my new hatches/catches.

http://www.serebii.net/Shiny/BW/121.png
OT: Kosuke | ID: 59111
Ability: Natural Cure | Nature: Timid | Date: Aug. 4, 2011
IVs: 31 | X | 31 | 31 | 31 | 31

http://www.serebii.net/Shiny/BW/186.png
OT: Kosuke | ID: 59111
Ability: Drizzle | Nature: Modest | Date: Aug. 13, 2011
IVs: 31 | X | 31 | 30 | 31 | 31
HP GRASS

http://www.serebii.net/Shiny/BW/639.png
OT: Kosuke | ID: 59111
Ability: Justified | Nature: Jolly | Date: Aug. 27, 2011
IVs: 31 | 31 | 31 | X | 31 | 31

http://www.serebii.net/Shiny/BW/640.png
OT: Kosuke | ID: 59111
Ability: Justified | Nature: Timid | Date: Oct. 8, 2011
IVs: 30 | X | 30 | 31 | 31 | 31
HP ICE

Shadow_Assailant
22nd August 2011, 10:57 PM
Hey, guys! Haven't been very active on here lately. I don't have any new Pokémon to show off, either. I am, though, currently searching for a seed for a Shiny, Flawless, Jolly Ditto since the one I have already isn't shiny. :D
I blame most of my in-activeness mostly do to school. I'm still getting used to high school (yeah, I'm a Freshman, deal with it) and band, so I don't have as much time that used to have. But, I will get back into the groove of things ASAP. :D

@TDawg: Fail on the laptop ordeal. :P

@Aeros: Nice! :D

@Kitara: Shall you see this, I have your Eevee for whenever we're both available. :D

Excitable Boy
22nd August 2011, 11:42 PM
FIRST RNG! Woohoo!

http://veekun.com/dex/media/black-white/506.png

OT: Ari | ID: 10939
Ability: Pickup| Nature: Quirky | Date: "8/8/2011" (8/22/2011)
IVs: 31 | 31 | 31 | 10 | 31 | 31

...Yeah, it sucks...

Winter02
22nd August 2011, 11:44 PM
FIRST RNG! Woohoo!

http://veekun.com/dex/media/black-white/506.png

OT: Ari | ID: 10939
Ability: Pickup| Nature: Quirky | Date: "8/8/2011" (8/22/2011)
IVs: 31 | 31 | 31 | 10 | 31 | 31

...Yeah, it sucks...
Hey, it is a good start at least. No one expects you to do really good on your first try. Most of my first RNGs looks just like that, good IVs but bad nature/ability/Pokemon.

TDawg
23rd August 2011, 1:22 AM
@Shadow lol yeah I knoow:p makes me wanna facepalm a million times. Oh wow fresh meat lol jk gl in high school. I'm about to be a Junior. and gl on seed search for the shiny ditto.

@a person thats actually a very good start. you did good

Ironbiterknight
23rd August 2011, 5:57 AM
I know everyone is tired of seeing my questions here, but I just really must not be getting egg breeding. I just hatched a perfect, timid deino (my target) however, the seed I was hunting said it should be shiny. He's not shiny. I don't understand how all of that could have happened and then...not shiny.

Beck
23rd August 2011, 7:00 AM
I know everyone is tired of seeing my questions here, but I just really must not be getting egg breeding. I just hatched a perfect, timid deino (my target) however, the seed I was hunting said it should be shiny. He's not shiny. I don't understand how all of that could have happened and then...not shiny.

It might be easier to asses your problem if you could provide a few screenshots.

TDawg
23rd August 2011, 7:03 AM
I never get tired of questions. It helps keep this thread alive. But Iron you might not have hit your PIDframe. Thats a common mistake. Or your timer0 flucuated on you.

Nikator
23rd August 2011, 9:59 AM
I know everyone is tired of seeing my questions here, but I just really must not be getting egg breeding. I just hatched a perfect, timid deino (my target) however, the seed I was hunting said it should be shiny. He's not shiny. I don't understand how all of that could have happened and then...not shiny.

You must not have hit the right PIDframe, even if you hit your seed right. Remember that IV spreads in breeding are controlled by both the PIDframe and the Seed, so hitting your seed isn't neccesarily enough to get a flawless spread.
Start by looking up to 5 PID advancements either side of the shiny frame - there is most likely a pokemon on that frame with everything the same but not shiny and that's what you got.

Eg.
PID: 82 | !!! | Nature: Adamant | Ability: 1 = and so forth.. 31/31/31/31/31/31
PID: 85 | | Nature: Adamant | Ability: 1 = and so forth... 31/31/31/31/31

Only frame 82 is shiny so you must have hit, for example, 85.
Remember to look at gender, that helps track what frame you hit too and i often forget . Good luck, you are getting there!

TDawg
23rd August 2011, 10:03 AM
Nice Job Nikator! lol another student becoming a teacher.

darthmalice777
23rd August 2011, 4:34 PM
Just bred this guy to try out on my team....


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/mrmalice/586.png
Sawsbuck http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/mrmalice/male.png | OT: Malice
Adamant | Chlorophyll | Hatched 8/23/11 | Route 3
Horn Leech | Swords Dance | Jump Kick | Return
31/31/31/31/31/31 | EVs: 6/252/0/0/0/252

kaiser soze
23rd August 2011, 6:47 PM
I know everyone is tired of seeing my questions here, but I just really must not be getting egg breeding. I just hatched a perfect, timid deino (my target) however, the seed I was hunting said it should be shiny. He's not shiny. I don't understand how all of that could have happened and then...not shiny.
Double/check to make sure you have the right TID/SID entered.

Shinepoke
23rd August 2011, 8:34 PM
Sorry. I didn't know.

You didn't know this wasn't the trade thread, or you didn't know we weren't work horses. If you thought this was the trade thread, you need to have your eyes checked. If you though we were work horses, then well, horses cannot type let alone RNG.

Anyway back on topic, anyone know anything about RNGing Drillbur's in dust cloud. I want a female to breed a Drillbur with rapid spin. I gues I would be fine If I just had a flawless daddy and not mommy,but I'm getting more lazy at searching for good seeds each month.

darthmalice777
23rd August 2011, 9:51 PM
You didn't know this wasn't the trade thread, or you didn't know we weren't work horses. If you thought this was the trade thread, you need to have your eyes checked. If you though we were work horses, then well, horses cannot type let alone RNG.

Anyway back on topic, anyone know anything about RNGing Drillbur's in dust cloud. I want a female to breed a Drillbur with rapid spin. I gues I would be fine If I just had a flawless daddy and not mommy,but I'm getting more lazy at searching for good seeds each month.

Dust Clouds/Whirlpool/Shaking Grass are too inconsistent to RNG. You're much better off breeding one. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

OnixtheBeast
23rd August 2011, 10:25 PM
I didn't know there was an RNG trade thread.

NoDice
24th August 2011, 12:37 AM
I didn't know there was an RNG trade thread.

This isnt a trade thread if thats what youre thinking. Its a thread to learn, use and post youre successes with RNG abuse.

TDawg
24th August 2011, 1:17 AM
@STUD I think you missed the convo lol. He wanted people to RNG for him. But people were telling him this isn't a trade thread. And we aren't work horses

Beck
24th August 2011, 2:12 AM
Was one of my posts deleted? It definitely was. I'm not concerned about post count because it's rubbish, but tampering with the very few threads we have doesn't solve anything. Furhter, what I posted wasn't offensive in any way whatsoever. That's dissapointing.

Why?

Anyway. I've finally found a decent seed to use on the Musketeer Trio. I've been searching for ages so it's nice for Time Finder to finally pay off.

BigWhite
24th August 2011, 2:22 AM
Is it possible to RNG for shinyness and IV's on starters at the beginning of the game? I've searched and really couldn't find a good/clear answer. I'm wanting to do this on heartgold.

Ironbiterknight
24th August 2011, 2:23 AM
After much searching, and discovering that I was using someone else's SID, I have found flawless seeds for eggs! Saving!

TDawg
24th August 2011, 3:18 AM
Lol well that sucks.. but congrats on the seeds

NoDice
24th August 2011, 8:04 AM
@STUD I think you missed the convo lol. He wanted people to RNG for him. But people were telling him this isn't a trade thread. And we aren't work horses

Ahh... lol.. I seem to remember someone trolling around the old thread with that as well- not sure if it was the same guy but whatever haha...


After much searching, and discovering that I was using someone else's SID, I have found flawless seeds for eggs! Saving!

I believe you meant to say "WINNING!" [/Sheen Quote]

Xeluu
24th August 2011, 9:27 AM
http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/123.gifhttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/212.gif
Scyther|Male|Adamant|Technician
Type:http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/type/bug.gif
Bullet Punch|ROOST!|Swords Dance (Probably)|Bug Bite/Super Power
IVs: 31/31/31/29/31/31


I'm soooo glad to finally be done trying to hatch this guy. I chose not to go for a shiny for two reasons: A) It was hard enough trying to RNG him as is, and B) I don't like shiny Scizor. : /

I'm still trying to decide if I want to use him as a wall with this set, or if I wanna try and make him a bit of a sweeper with a different move set. Either way though, I need to be able to teach him either Roost and/or Super Power, so I needed to RNG him in IV Gen.

Took me a couple days, and I had to RNG breed another first so that I could find a spread that would give me perfect stats. Either way, I'm SO happy to have him!

Next up: either DW Eevee shinies, or back to trying to trade for a fem DW Buneary. But now it's time for sleep.

Edit: I lied, went for Drilbur next.

http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/529.gifhttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/530.gif
Drilbur|Male|Adamant|Sand Rush
Type:http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/type/ground.gif / Type:http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/type/steel.gif
31/31/31/0 (haha)/31/31
Looking forward to using this guy.


Edit #2: Got myself a DW Buneary by trading on the Trading Wifi Chat! :3 Hopefully incoming shiny male Buneary this evening!

Kailassa
24th August 2011, 8:16 PM
I'd like to make a suggestion. We're stabbing ourselves in the back by referring to what we do as RNG abuse.


abuse*
tr.verb:
1. To use wrongly or improperly; misuse: abuse alcohol; abuse a privilege.
2. To hurt or injure by maltreatment; ill-use.
3. To force sexual activity on; rape or molest.
4. To assail with contemptuous, coarse, or insulting words; revile.
5. Obsolete To deceive or trick.
noun:
1. Improper use or handling; misuse: abuse of authority; drug abuse.
2. Physical maltreatment: spousal abuse.
3. Sexual abuse.
4. An unjust or wrongful practice: a government that commits abuses against its citizens.
5. Insulting or coarse language: verbal abuse.

* The American HeritageŽ Dictionary of the English Language (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/abuse)

We are using the RNG, but not abusing it. Nothing we do in RNGing changes the mechanics of the game.

RNGing is done by predicting what pokemon the random number generators will produce after we've performed certain actions which are natural to the game. So why don't we call it RNG prediction instead of RNG abuse?

The word "abuse" carries highly emotional connotations we don't need to be associated with.

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
24th August 2011, 8:50 PM
I'm fairly sure I've refered to it as RNG manipulation.

TDawg
24th August 2011, 8:58 PM
Well the 1st description somewhat fits. We are misusing the RNG. And were wrongly using it because it's supposed to be a random thing. So it's still abusing somewhat:p

The Eleventh
24th August 2011, 9:11 PM
RNG prediction is probably the most correct title, far more so than abuse or manipulation. I just like to call it "RNGing". It's a verb of its own. xD

Kailassa
24th August 2011, 9:13 PM
I'm fairly sure I've referred to it as RNG manipulation.
That's better than abuse, but we are really manipulating our actions, not the RNG itself. The Random Number Generator is not changed by our actions. We are just predicting what the RNG will do in response to our actions.



Well the 1st description somewhat fits. We are misusing the RNG. And were wrongly using it because it's supposed to be a random thing. So it's still abusing somewhat:p

No, the RNG is not supposed to be random, the Random Number Generator is supposed to simulate randomness. As there is no such thing as actual randomness on a computer or game device, we are not abusing the RNG, we are merely understanding its non-random nature. It's just like understanding game mechanics such as natures, IVs and EVs, but a step further in.


RNG prediction is probably the most correct title, far more so than abuse or manipulation. I just like to call it "RNGing". It's a verb of its own. xD I mostly get around it that way too.

NoDice
25th August 2011, 1:05 AM
That's better than abuse, but we are really manipulating our actions, not the RNG itself. The Random Number Generator is not changed by our actions. We are just predicting what the RNG will do in response to our actions.




No, the RNG is not supposed to be random, the Random Number Generator is supposed to simulate randomness. As there is no such thing as actual randomness on a computer or game device, we are not abusing the RNG, we are merely understanding its non-random nature. It's just like understanding game mechanics such as natures, IVs and EVs, but a step further in.

I mostly get around it that way too.

lol ok ok I get it... Ill change the OP.... geeez!!!!

EDIT: Ok, so I went through the OP and changed all things that stated "Abuse" into "Manipulate, Manipulation". So we sound better in an ethical sense. lol

Kailassa
25th August 2011, 3:12 AM
lol ok ok I get it... Ill change the OP.... geeez!!!!

EDIT: Ok, so I went through the OP and changed all things that stated "Abuse" into "Manipulate, Manipulation". So we sound better in an ethical sense. lol

That's just awesome that you'd go to so much trouble on the basis of my post. I still slightly prefer "prediction", but manipulation is a great improvement on abuse.

I checked the O.P. to see how it read now, and noticed you've done a lot to it since I last looked. You, Jolteon and Kaiser Soze have done a brilliant job in putting together the best RNG manipulation ;) resource on the net. Every time I read it I learn something new. I never knew before that turning didn't advance the PIDRNG frame if you're running, and I run all the time unless I'm riding. - Oh for the return of an on/off button for running... -
(Post 2: "-Walking advances the PID frame by approximately 2 per step. A better approximation is (377/170≈2.2) per step.
-Turning advances the PID frame by 2 per turn. A turn does not count if you're running (holding B).)
And it's good to see a more exact calculation for the amount walking advances the PIDRNG frame.

However, doesn't walking only advance the PIDRNG frame that much if you're walking long grass or in a cave where there are wild pokemon? I was under the impression it was far less if you were walking beside the long grass instead or in Victini's chamber.

Something else I was wondering about, does entering or exiting a building or area affect the IV and/or PID frames? If one was going to withdraw a pokemon to advance the IV frame, that would be handy to know.

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
25th August 2011, 3:55 AM
The change was entirely unnecessary, STUD and Kailassa. Had I been on a PC, I would have argued in favor of "abuse". But somebody will likely do that for me instead.

kaiser soze
25th August 2011, 3:58 AM
Aww I'm flattered Kailassa, especially since my guide is largely incomplete XD. Working on it a bit though.

jolteon135
25th August 2011, 4:01 AM
However, doesn't walking only advance the PIDRNG frame that much if you're walking long grass or in a cave where there are wild pokemon? I was under the impression it was far less if you were walking beside the long grass instead or in Victini's chamber.
Yes the approximation only applies if you're walking in the spots where wild Pokemon can be encountered like in the grass/caves. For example, it doesn't apply if you walk outside/beside the grass.

Here's all the land approximattions:

Current Frame ≈ steps * (377/170) + turns * 2 + Calculated Initial PIDRNG Frame <--For walking in grass/caves/buildings (where wild Pokemon can be encountered) if you have 2 Pokemon in the daycare

Current Frame ≈ steps * (21/10) + turns * 2 + calculated Initial PIDRNG Frame <-- Same as above but this is approximation when you have no Pokemon in the daycare. I believe this approximation also works if you only have 1 Pokemon in the daycare.

Current Frame ≈ steps * (37/170) + Calculated Initial PIDRNG Frame <-- Walking outside grass/beside (but not in) the wild Pokemon area with 2 Pokemon in the daycare.

Current Frame ≈ step * (1/10) + Calculated Initial PIDRNG Frame <--Same as above but this is if you have no (or 1) Pokemon in the daycare.

IIRC water approximations are slightly different. I'll see if I can find the research on it.


Something else I was wondering about, does entering or exiting a building or area affect the IV and/or PID frames? If one was going to withdraw a pokemon to advance the IV frame, that would be handy to know.
Entering/exiting a building/cave does not count as a step so it doesn't affect anything but you really shouldn't be using IV frames so high that you need to withdraw/move Pokemon to get to your target frame.

EDIT: The step advancement is 1 less on water so change the step multiplier in the first approximation from 377/170 to 207/170 ,i.e., use 207/170 instead of 377/170 in the first approximation. Similarly the second in the second approximation use 11/10 instead of 21/10. The last 2 approximations are the same (if you're walking outside/beside the water).
I believe the land approximation should be used if you're moving on water inside a cave. For any other body of water, replace the number like I said above.

BigWhite
25th August 2011, 4:55 AM
Is it possible to RNG for shinyness and IV's on starters at the beginning of the game? I've searched and really couldn't find a good/clear answer. I'm wanting to do this on heartgold.

Anyone have an answer for this?

kaiser soze
25th August 2011, 5:27 AM
Anyone have an answer for this?
Yes, but RNG breeding is a far more efficient method for flawless starters than the actual starter (IVs don't make a huge difference for in-game anyway). You would need to RNG your ID combo, but I'm not the one who knows how to do it.

Excitable Boy
25th August 2011, 5:29 AM
Yes, but RNG breeding is a far more efficient method for flawless starters than the actual starter (IVs don't make a huge difference for in-game anyway). You would need to RNG your ID combo, but I'm not the one who knows how to do it.

I'm not exactly the smartest person when it comes to this, but isn't it recommended that you RNG your IDs anyway if you want flawless shinies?

jolteon135
25th August 2011, 5:32 AM
^Yes that's recommended for gen 4.

Anyone have an answer for this?
Yes it possible. You don't want to do it though (at least not on a DS). :|
There's no way to verify you hit the correct delay before taking the starter and you pretty much have to settle for crappy frame 1/5/9 IVs (depending on the starter) unless you want to rely on NPCs to advance the frame for you (hint: you don't want to do that).

Breeding is easier.

BigWhite
25th August 2011, 5:39 AM
Well poop. I guess I'll just rely on luck and SR away until I see a shiny Cyndaquil. At least then I'll have SID and can RNG the stationary legends and whatever else :)

kaiser soze
25th August 2011, 5:40 AM
I'm not exactly the smartest person when it comes to this, but isn't it recommended that you RNG your IDs anyway if you want flawless shinies?
Short answer: only in 4th gen games is your ID combo really important. There's ususally enough flexibility with the two 5th gen RNGs where eventually you can find a hitable shiny hex flawless seed

Long explanation: 4th gen and past had only one RNG that made a pokemon; it controlled the IVs, gender, nature, ability, shiny, etc. This limited the number of outstanding IV seeds with certain natures, and RNGing your IDs was highly recommended to make a flawless seed shiny. But BW have two RNGs; one only for IVs, the other for nature/shiny/etc. This widely opens up the combinations of IV spreads any shiny seeds. If it doesn't sound like a huge improvement, learn to RNG in BW, then try to backstep into a 4th gem game. I've been meaning to finish up Platinum and RNG mah legendaries but now I realized I should have started by RNGing the IDs. *facepalm* I'll eventually restart SS anyways.

Kailassa
25th August 2011, 5:47 AM
Yes the approximation only applies if you're walking in the spots where wild Pokemon can be encountered like in the grass/caves. For example, it doesn't apply if you walk outside/beside the grass.

Here's all the land approximations:

Current Frame ≈ steps * (377/170) + turns * 2 + Calculated Initial PIDRNG Frame <--For walking in grass/caves/buildings (where wild Pokemon can be encountered) if you have 2 Pokemon in the daycare

Current Frame ≈ steps * (21/10) + turns * 2 + calculated Initial PIDRNG Frame <-- Same as above but this is approximation when you have no Pokemon in the daycare. I believe this approximation also works if you only have 1 Pokemon in the daycare.

Current Frame ≈ steps * (37/170) + Calculated Initial PIDRNG Frame <-- Walking outside grass/beside (but not in) the wild Pokemon area with 2 Pokemon in the daycare.

Current Frame ≈ step * (1/10) + Calculated Initial PIDRNG Frame <--Same as above but this is if you have no (or 1) Pokemon in the daycare.

IIRC water approximations are slightly different. I'll see if I can find the research on it.

Sweet, it's mind-blowing that people have managed to dissect the workings of the game to this extent. I'm saving this in a file of RNG info, thanks.


Entering/exiting a building/cave does not count as a step so it doesn't affect anything but you really shouldn't be using IV frames so high that you need to withdraw/move Pokemon to get to your target frame.
Sometimes, if I really want a perfect shiny pokemon in a high slot, it can be pretty hard to find one with low frames even with using 3 key-presses. So I've wondered about withdrawing a pokemon or evolving a Ninjask.

My favourite seed though is frame 1, shiny frame 55, initial starting frame 55, so I just have to jump in a catch something. It would be nice to have one like that for every slot. :D
Of course it's useless where there are moving NPCs.

Excitable Boy
25th August 2011, 5:51 AM
*post*

Liek I said, I'm kinda new at this, and I've learned everything I know (which isn't much) out of Kaphotics's guide on Smogon.

Good to know that I'm not totally hopeless in the flawless shiny arena because my TID and SID probably suck and I have way too much awesome stuff on White to restart it. Thanks for the explanation.

jolteon135
25th August 2011, 6:27 AM
Well poop. I guess I'll just rely on luck and SR away until I see a shiny Cyndaquil. At least then I'll have SID and can RNG the stationary legends and whatever else :)
You don't need a shiny to find your SID. Upload any Pokemon caught in your game to pokecheck.org and it'll tell you your SID.


Sometimes, if I really want a perfect shiny pokemon in a high slot, it can be pretty hard to find one with low frames even with using 3 key-presses. So I've wondered about withdrawing a pokemon or evolving a Ninjask.
Withdrawing wouldn't be helpful if you're trying to RNG for shininess or anything PIDRNG related. Most likely NPCs would screw up the PID frame while you're on your way to/from the Pokemon center or the little step advancements might throw you off.

Breeding is probably the quickest way to get shinies. It takes way too long to find shiny flawless/near flawless wild seeds.

The Eleventh
25th August 2011, 7:02 PM
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#318 Carvanha
OT: Cian | ID No.: 64231 | Gender: M
Nature: Rash | Ability: Speed Boost | Type: Water/Dark
Hatch Location: Village Bridge | Hidden Power: Dark 70
Moves: Leer | Bite | Hydro Pump | Attract
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31

I finally found my old DS after losing it a week ago, and set about RNGing this. It caused me so much pain and suffering. It should have been a lot easier to do than it actually was. This was partly due to me being incredibly stupid and forgetting that only males can pass down egg moves (Hydro Pump) and that Dream World abilities can't be passed down while breeding with Ditto. Yeah. Anyway, I eventually got him through a mix of immense frustration and incest. I really hope I don't have as much trouble with my next project.

Kailassa
25th August 2011, 7:47 PM
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#318 Carvanha
OT: Cian | ID No.: 64231 | Gender: M
Nature: Rash | Ability: Speed Boost | Type: Water/Dark
Hatch Location: Village Bridge | Hidden Power: Dark 70
Moves: Leer | Bite | Hydro Pump | Attract
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31

I finally found my old DS after losing it a week ago, and set about RNGing this. It caused me so much pain and suffering. It should have been a lot easier to do than it actually was. This was partly due to me being incredibly stupid and forgetting that only males can pass down egg moves (Hydro Pump) and that Dream World abilities can't be passed down while breeding with Ditto. Yeah. Anyway, I eventually got him through a mix of immense frustration and incest. I really hope I don't have as much trouble with my next project.
Don't you just want to kick yourself sometimes? :D

That's a breeding project I'm looking forward to emulating. Sharpedos are fun. Except, being a noob, I might go for an adamant set. And it would be a lot easier to get as a shiny if it's adamant, only needing 5 perfect IVs.

I look forward to hearing how he goes in battle after you've levelled him up.

TDawg
25th August 2011, 9:43 PM
Nice sharpedo speed. I love it's ability. If only it was bulkier so it could take hits

Ironbiterknight
26th August 2011, 1:34 AM
Ok, so I feel like I'm doing something wrong. After a couple of mishaps with ID numbers and whatnot, which left me feeling like an idiot, I am having tons of issues. With Beck's immense help I figured out how to do the SSF and all of that, but I can never hit my PID right. And even then when I fail and try to find my SSF again it changes. I just don't understand why I don't ever hit my seeds right. Despite using the 4th/5th Gen Shiny Egg frame I have yet to actually get a shiny anything. I've tried it with both a Deino and a Solosis to no avail. I would desperately like some help as I'm getting very frustrated and have just about thrown my DS through a wall several times.

Benefactor
26th August 2011, 1:42 AM
Ok, so I feel like I'm doing something wrong. After a couple of mishaps with ID numbers and whatnot, which left me feeling like an idiot, I am having tons of issues. With Beck's immense help I figured out how to do the SSF and all of that, but I can never hit my PID right. And even then when I fail and try to find my SSF again it changes. I just don't understand why I don't ever hit my seeds right. Despite using the 4th/5th Gen Shiny Egg frame I have yet to actually get a shiny anything. I've tried it with both a Deino and a Solosis to no avail. I would desperately like some help as I'm getting very frustrated and have just about thrown my DS through a wall several times.

Dealing with the timing of the SSF can be a pain. What I like to do is use the dancing Minccino + Cottonee as a guide to when I want to talk to the old man. Pick a position within their first one or two rotations and consistently grab your egg when they're at/close to that position. This should make your SSF much more consistent. Of course if you have to be too precise to be consistent, ride around, get into a battle, etc and save in front of the old man to change your initial conditions.

Ironbiterknight
26th August 2011, 1:47 AM
Just so I understand, you're telling me that I shouldn't necessarily mash my Y button as soon as possible? That I should try to make them hit with those two pokemon in relatively the same position everytime? Now, while using this, should I actually use my Chatot chatter at roughly the same position?

jolteon135
26th August 2011, 1:56 AM
Just so I understand, you're telling me that I shouldn't necessarily mash my Y button as soon as possible? That I should try to make them hit with those two pokemon in relatively the same position everytime? Now, while using this, should I actually use my Chatot chatter at roughly the same position?
You should be mashing X (not Y) as soon as the season message comes on the screen or even before that. You want to bring up the menu as quickly as possible.

Here's what you should be doing to find your starting frame:

Hit the seed, enter the game, let the season message fade by itself. While the season message is fading press X rapidly to bring up the menu as quickly as possible. Exit the menu (press B) then grab the egg as quickly as possible (press A quickly!). Hatch the Egg and look for a PID frame that matches your hatched egg near your Calculated initial PID Frame. That's your actual starting PID Frame. Turn off the game without saving and redo it to get your target.

You can also do this to figure out if you're actually hitting the seed:

After you grab the egg you can fly to victory road catch something immediately. Then check it's IVs. Choose method 5 (standard seed) and wild Pokemon in the main window. If the IVs of your caught Pokemon are on IV Frame 14 or 14+Z, where Z is the number of Pokemon in your party, it means you hit your seed. This can save you some time so you don't hatch an egg when you missed the seed. If you have no problem hitting the seed this is not necessary.

Ironbiterknight
26th August 2011, 1:59 AM
Yes, I've read that whole thing before Jolteon, I appreciate the help. And yes, I meant X I just typed Y. I do that everytime, and I still can't hit my PID ever like I want it.

jolteon135
26th August 2011, 2:04 AM
Yes, I've read that whole thing before Jolteon, I appreciate the help. And yes, I meant X I just typed Y. I do that everytime, and I still can't hit my PID ever like I want it.

Well post more info. Seed, ID/SID, target PID Frame and the info of the hatched Pokemon that you're using to find your SSF would be useful.

Benefactor
26th August 2011, 2:05 AM
At least for me, mashing X doesn't always get me consistent timing, and I find my SSF jumping all over the place if I do that sometimes. I always take consistency over quickness, unless the target frame is really close to the SF. So feel free to wait for a slightly later timing if you don't want to mash anything. You can do the chatters anytime before you pick up the egg.

Ironbiterknight
26th August 2011, 2:06 AM
I'll do that now, but it seems like the problem is general, since I've tried it with different pokemon

TDawg
26th August 2011, 5:22 AM
I have noticed that the more pokemon I have the higher my sf is. Is that normal? Doesn't cause me problems but it's weird. I have hit the seed before went and hit the same seed but need to advance the pid frame 2 less. like I will hatch the egg and then went save grab another egg and etc. But I will need to hit 2 less everytime.

nassirdada
26th August 2011, 7:54 AM
IGN: Nassir/NASSIR
FC: 3138-8399-5744
Most Prized RNG: near flawless scolipede ( being my only one)
Favourite Form of RNG Abuse: 5th gen shiny egg tab
Favourite Keypress: None

I'm still learning how to RNG .. i found it quite easy , except for the part of hitting my PIDframes


EDIT : oh haha im sorry ^_^ i had the two pages on two close tabs .. must have mixed things up lol ! I am sorry again .Anyway since i edited this post i have to add that i will be posting my RNGed pokemon this weekend hopefully

TDawg
26th August 2011, 8:10 AM
IGN: Nassir/NASSIR
FC: 3138-8399-5744
Most Prized RNG: near flawless scolipede ( being my only one)
Favourite Form of RNG Abuse: 5th gen shiny egg tab
Favourite Keypress: None

I'm still learning how to RNG .. i found it quite easy , except for the part of hitting my PIDframes

Lol uhm why did you post this in the RNG thread and not the club? Check my sig for the club.

Nikator
26th August 2011, 3:27 PM
Just cracked these out, had some trouble with the drilbur as I kept losing count aha. I should concentrate and not try to RNG whilst watching TV!


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Excadrill http://www.pokecheck.org/i/male.png | Hatched Route 3 1/6/11 | http://www.pokecheck.org/i/shiny.png
Adamant | Sand Rush | 31/31/31/31/31/31
Swords Dance | Earthquake | Rockslide | X-Scissor

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Sigilyph http://www.pokecheck.org/i/female.png | Hatched Route 3 1/9/11 | http://www.pokecheck.org/i/shiny.png
Timid | Magic Guard | 31/31/31/31/31
Psycho Shift | Cosmic Power | Stored Power | Roost

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Bisharp http://www.pokecheck.org/i/male.png | Hatched Route 3 2/8/11 | http://www.pokecheck.org/i/shiny.png
Adamant | Defiant | 31/31/31/31/31/31
Substitute | Sandstorm | Swords Dance | Sucker Punch

The Eleventh
26th August 2011, 8:44 PM
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#060 Poliwag
OT: Cian | ID No.: 64231 | Gender: F
Nature: Modest | Ability: Swift Swim | Type: Water
Hatch Location: Undella Bay | Hidden Power: Dark 70
Moves: Scald | Ice Beam | Psychic | Focus Blast
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31

Yet again my stupidity fails to astound me. This took quite a while longer than I expected it to. I kept forgetting to change the frame to 8, rather than 1, for no apparent reason. I'm glad I have this, though. I'll EV train it shortly.

Tarro57
26th August 2011, 9:19 PM
Woo! Being Friday I am now going to RNG! I shall go for something that will be a surprise...

Also, Awesome RNG(s) Nikator and Speed!

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
26th August 2011, 9:35 PM
Sorry for the delay, but I wasn't in the correct state of mind for any sort of arguing lately. This has been on my mind for quite some time and I would prefer that Kailassa get her facts in order.



I'd like to make a suggestion. We're stabbing ourselves in the back by referring to what we do as RNG abuse.

How exactly? It's been called this way for years now.



* The American HeritageŽ Dictionary of the English Language (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/abuse)

We are using the RNG, but not abusing it. Nothing we do in RNGing changes the mechanics of the game.

Funny thing is, the first definition fully applies to what we've doing for I don't know, years?

"aˇbuse (-byz)
tr.v. aˇbused, aˇbusˇing, aˇbusˇes
1. To use wrongly or improperly; misuse: abuse alcohol; abuse a privilege."

...Unless you want to try convincing me that we aren't misusing the way the game was programmed to try and create an illusion of randomness with what's essentially flawless Pokemon to our exact tastes/liking. Otherwise, yep; we're misusing it.



RNGing is done by predicting what pokemon the random number generators will produce after we've performed certain actions which are natural to the game. So why don't we call it RNG prediction instead of RNG abuse?

Wait, what? How on earth are we predicting ANYTHING? Can I predict right now that my next encounter will be a flawless Pidove with pinpoint accuracy in it's stats? No! We're relying on the RNG Reporter to seek out the point in game in which these stats are generated and are thus able to be encountered upon reaching that point with practice. There is absolutely no prediction in RNG whatsoever.


The word "abuse" carries highly emotional connotations we don't need to be associated with.

Uhm, yeah, no. Look at the first definition again.


No, the RNG is not supposed to be random, the Random Number Generator is supposed to simulate randomness.

Pretty much every game runs on this, no game is truly random. However what's meant to simulate this, also happens to be the entire point of it...


we are merely understanding its non-random nature. It's just like understanding game mechanics such as natures, IVs and EVs, but a step further in.

A better term would probably be "tool-assisting", no cheats tampering with the coding etc, but the use of a PC program to actually reach the limits of such mechanics.

I however, think "prediction" is an awful term to use. Smogon calls it that for a reason, you know.

"Noun 1. prediction - the act of predicting (as by reasoning about the future)
anticipation, prevision
abstract thought, logical thinking, reasoning - thinking that is coherent and logical
projection - a prediction made by extrapolating from past observations
prophecy, vaticination, prognostication - knowledge of the future (usually said to be obtained from a divine source)
adumbration, foreshadowing, prefiguration - the act of providing vague advance indications; representing beforehand

2. prediction - a statement made about the future
forecasting, foretelling, prognostication
statement - a message that is stated or declared; a communication (oral or written) setting forth particulars or facts etc; "according to his statement he was in London on that day"
extropy - the prediction that human intelligence and technology will enable life to expand in an orderly way throughout the entire universe
fortunetelling - the practice of predicting people's futures (usually for payment)
horoscope - a prediction of someone's future based on the relative positions of the planets
meteorology, weather forecasting - predicting what the weather will be
forecast, prognosis - a prediction about how something (as the weather) will develop
divination, prophecy - a prediction uttered under divine inspiration"

...Need I say more? Abuse and manipulation are perfectly fine terms, don't create anymore confusion, please.

kaiser soze
26th August 2011, 10:14 PM
I really don't care what term we use. I usually use "abuse" because that's apparently the standard, but most often I shorten it to RNG(ing). I'm not worried about how we market it to the average player, but anyone that's halfway intelligent enough to attempt RNGing can figure out why the term "abuse" is used in a positive way.

Kailassa
26th August 2011, 10:36 PM
How exactly? It's been called this way for years now.
The length of time for which a practice has been carried out is irrelevant to the desirability of that practice. For many years severely handicapped people were referred to by the medical establishment as morons. That practice changed because people realised the use of an emotive word carrying negative connotations was unhelpful.


Funny thing is, the first definition fully applies to what we've doing for I don't know, years?

"aˇbuse (-byz)
tr.v. aˇbused, aˇbusˇing, aˇbusˇes
1. To use wrongly or improperly; misuse: abuse alcohol; abuse a privilege."

...Unless you want to try convincing me that we aren't misusing the way the game was programmed to try and create an illusion of randomness with what's essentially flawless Pokemon to our exact tastes/liking. Otherwise, yep; we're misusing it.
So you believe what we are doing is wrong and want to continue the use of the word "abuse" because it conveys that message?

If you put RNGing into the same category as abusing alcohol or abusing a privilege, I wonder why at you continuing the practice.

Using something for a purpose other than that for which it was designed does not equate to misusing it. In fact you could say the tendency to use things for purposes for which they were not "designed" is one of the defining aspects of humanity. We came, we saw, and we are still sawing to this day, which is why there are so few trees left ...
- Sorry, bad example. ;)


Wait, what? How on earth are we predicting ANYTHING? Can I predict right now that my next encounter will be a flawless Pidove with pinpoint accuracy in it's stats? No! We're relying on the RNG Reporter to seek out the point in game in which these stats are generated and are thus able to be encountered upon reaching that point with practice. There is absolutely no prediction in RNG whatsoever.

Methinks you misunderstand the term "prediction."
From your definition: "logical thinking, reasoning - thinking that is coherent and logical projection - a prediction made by extrapolating from past observations"

We use logical extrapolation, and the knowledge shared with us by some generous geniuses of how the RNG generators in Pokemon work, to predict that after performing certain actions a certain pokemon will be caught or hatched.


Pretty much every game runs on this, no game is truly random. However what's meant to simulate this, also happens to be the entire point of it ...
So? I'm a little pedantic. I'm also no stranger to game design.


...Need I say more? Abuse and manipulation are perfectly fine terms, don't create anymore confusion, please.
Some people will always be confused by change, but some changes are worth doing anyway.

Anyway, it's good to see we agree on something, and that's the use of the word "manipulation" in this context. I'm quite happy that Stud, in his wisdom, chose that as a compromise.

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
26th August 2011, 11:43 PM
The length of time for which a practice has been carried out is irrelevant to the desirability of that practice. For many years severely handicapped people were referred to by the medical establishment as morons. That practice changed because people realised the use of an emotive word carrying negative connotations was unhelpful.

Not really, they've clearly had a good reason to refer to it as "abuse" and not much people have argued for that reason because why? It made sense.


So you believe what we are doing is wrong and want to continue the use of the word "abuse" because it conveys that message?

So, do you wish to convince me that it's right? In that case, the games would have done away with the silly mechanics in stats and just make everything flawless. I'll reference Wardek's response from the Pokemon Company themselves seem to exhibit a bit of distaste in it, only for them to brush it off by reassuring him that they were legal to use in tournaments. Their possible distaste being quoted among the lines of "Violating the spirit of the competition". I'm fairly sure they know it's being abused, but there's simply nothing they can do to get rid of it as it's a part of how the games function, so they came up with that sort of response instead.


If you put RNGing into the same category as abusing alcohol or abusing a privilege, I wonder why at you continuing the practice.

Clearly, I'm referring to the "misuse" part of the definition. *head desk*


Using something for a purpose other than that for which it was designed does not equate to misusing it. In fact you could say the tendency to use things for purposes for which they were not "designed" is one of the defining aspects of humanity. We came, we saw, and we are still sawing to this day, which is why there are so few trees left ...
- Sorry, bad example. ;)

Are you trying to tell me that the RNG was designed to be abused en-masse, to create a plethora of Pokemon to your liking? Yeah, I'm fairly sure you can see what's wrong with that. Don't get me wrong, I love to do it. But whether you want to believe it or not, we are misusing it for something that it was definitely not intended to be used for.

Really simple logic to follow, but you're still not getting it.

pokerface.



Methinks you misunderstand the term "prediction."
From your definition: "logical thinking, reasoning - thinking that is coherent and logical projection - a prediction made by extrapolating from past observations"

Methinks you're assuming this, yet ignore the numerous other definitions you've overlooked, again. And you did, by overlooking that we're not the ones doing the prediction. (http://users.smogon.com/mingot/rngreporter.htm)



We use logical extrapolation, and the knowledge shared with us by some generous geniuses of how the RNG generators in Pokemon work, to predict that after performing certain actions a certain pokemon will be caught or hatched.

It's not "we"; it's just RNG Reporter. Want to test this statement? do away with all RNG related PC programs and predict your way to a flawless Pokemon without breeding. Then your argument will hold some weight.



So? I'm a little pedantic. I'm also no stranger to game design.

You're adamant that your flawed perception of it is correct, but you have yet to have answered definitively why it isn't actually "abusing" a mechanic of the game which was intended to control the flow and create a supposedly "random" atmosphere for it. No RNG? You just get the same crap happening.



Some people will always be confused by change, but some changes are worth doing anyway.

It will not be changed until you have proven yourself correct.
"Prediction" is hogwash and it doesn't take much to figure out why it is, either.

Kailassa
27th August 2011, 12:14 AM
Advent, your continued arguments about the use of the term "prediction" are beating a dead horse. I agreed with Stud many posts back that manipulation was a good compromise, and you indicated in your post you were happy with that term.

I'm happy to argue more if you feel like creating a separate thread. However, with the great work being done in this thread to help people with RNG manipulation, I wouldn't feel right drawing the discussion out here.

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
27th August 2011, 12:19 AM
I've indicated nearly nothing about being "happy with that term".


The change was entirely unnecessary, STUD and Kailassa. Had I been on a PC, I would have argued in favor of "abuse". But somebody will likely do that for me instead.

The only term I agreed with was "manipulation"; something I've used for a while, but your view about "abuse" had to be addressed, as I only just began to read what you were talking about a day ago on that matter.

Also, I've mentioned not actually being able to fully place my input on it due to some issues (Family matters and the impending storm) at the time.

Tarro57
27th August 2011, 12:37 AM
I vote manipulation! Sounds more sofisticated and less innapropriate (at first in with abuse).

Kailassa
27th August 2011, 12:42 AM
I've indicated nearly nothing about being "happy with that term".

The only term I agreed with was "manipulation"; something I've used for a while . . .
This is getting tiresome.

You are replying to my post in which I said: "I agreed with Stud many posts back that manipulation was a good compromise, and you indicated in your post you were happy with that term."

It should be obvious I was referring to manipulation in that sentence.

Please read more carefully, and if you still want to argue, start another thread for it as I suggested earlier.

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
27th August 2011, 12:59 AM
Basic reading comprehension for the above user has been thrown out of the window, apparently.

(In direct response to her first post of rambling about the definition of "abuse"):

I'm fairly sure I've refered to it as RNG manipulation.

-An ambiguous post, which has had absolutely no telling of whether or not I was happy about it, because I never continued to discuss it to begin with.


but manipulation is a great improvement on abuse.

(Next post right after that)


The change was entirely unnecessary, STUD and Kailassa. Had I been on a PC, I would have argued in favor of "abuse". But somebody will likely do that for me instead.

...Is what that was intended for.

Are we done yet? Because you're becoming too repetitive for me to bother.

-----
So, I haven't done anything for the past few days, and to make matters worse, several more projects have been delayed due to the recent storm in my area.

So far for the "Unovadex" (Disclaimer: Yes, I know PC is/was doing something similar, but this has been on my mind for quite a long time). Ignoring the various DW/other gen breeds, what does the user base suggest I do next for Unova instead of boring myself with the early rubbish that appear in-game?

NoDice
27th August 2011, 12:59 AM
Well I changed it all to manipulate(tion), and I think it will stay that way. So back to helping people and posting successes! No more arguing! ^_^

TDawg
27th August 2011, 3:02 AM
Lol yeah no more!^_^ The whole thing was taken way to seriously

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
27th August 2011, 3:03 AM
Not really, I just can't stand when people try to distort terminology that has been set in stone for a long time.

TDawg
27th August 2011, 3:27 AM
Ah yeah don't fix what isn't broken

magikot
27th August 2011, 4:02 AM
Every time I have tried to use Sweet Scent in the Giant Chasm it says that the sweet scent has been dispersed for some reason.My sweet scenter is level 40, is it just too low level to attract anything?

Benefactor
27th August 2011, 4:05 AM
You need to get rid of the fog; save, then change the season by changing the month and enter a battle. After the battle the fog will be cleared and you can save again and resume RNGing.

TDawg
27th August 2011, 4:07 AM
You have to get rid of the fog. You need to advance a month then battle and the fog will disappear

Tarro57
27th August 2011, 11:01 PM
So, last night I was trying to get a flawless, shiny, adamant Tepig via Egg. I gave up after about 10 tries but I got this one instead since it was in the same seed but not the exact seed:

http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/498.gif
Tepig (Shiny), Male OT: Tarro
IVs: 16/9/31/3/31/15 HP: Dragon 68
Moves: Tackle, Flamethrower

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
27th August 2011, 11:15 PM
... Wonder why you settled for that.

Tarro57
27th August 2011, 11:30 PM
No, I got it in the attempts of getting it, not got it since I couldn't get the other one. Sorry, I forgot to put that tiny detail in.

Ironbiterknight
28th August 2011, 5:48 AM
See, that's the kind of thing that I get. I hit MOSTLY what I want, but not EXACTLY what I want.

TDawg
28th August 2011, 5:55 AM
See, that's the kind of thing that I get. I hit MOSTLY what I want, but not EXACTLY what I want.

Well isn't it getting what you wanted or not with RNG?

jolteon135
28th August 2011, 5:56 AM
*Sigh* Maybe I'll make an egg RNGing video next week because I really don't see how you guys have trouble with it. If you're not having timer0 issues it should be easy to get your egg in 2 tries. First try to find your SSF, second try to advance to the correct frame.

There's shouldn't be any "mostly what I want" in non c-gear RNGing 'cause you can manipulate everything to get EXACTLY what you want and if you're hitting the wrong frame you should easily be able to figure out what frame you're hitting and adjust so you hit the correct frame.

TDawg
28th August 2011, 5:59 AM
*Sigh* Maybe I'll make an egg RNGing video next week because I really don't see how you guys have trouble with it. If you're not having timer0 issues it should be easy to get your egg in 2 tries. First try to find your SSF, second try to advance to the correct frame.

There's shouldn't be any "mostly what I want" in non c-gear RNGing 'cause you can manipulate everything to get EXACTLY what you want and if you're hitting the wrong frame you should easily be able to figure out what frame you're hitting and adjust so you hit the correct frame.

I'm with Jolteon on this one. It took me my first try to get egg RNGing.

Shadow_Assailant
28th August 2011, 9:47 AM
I LOVE Sawsbuck now. <3

I'm going to make it my priority to RNG one later. :D

Btw, anyone have a Heatran that's 31/31/31/31/31/30 (for HP Ice/70) and be of the Naive nature? Shininess doesn't matter. Otherwise, is there any possible way that anyone can think of to get one of my own?

Casty
28th August 2011, 3:24 PM
Ugh, is there any way to find seed's date, time and adjacent seeds WITHOUT going through the tedious process of finding them in a Time Finder? I have one seed which I constatnly reuse (ADFA217813333727), but it's going on my nerves when every time I want to RNG something, I need to wait till Time Finder searches through the billions of useless seeds.

tl;dr Seed To Time for non C-Gear seeds plox!

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
28th August 2011, 4:51 PM
For some reason, that option is grayed out on my end...
Well, I just tend to right down all the seed information for ones I plan to use. Saves me the headache of searching for them again.

FlairGuy77
28th August 2011, 9:08 PM
If my VCount says 60, when do I press A to get into the game? I pressed A at 20:36.

jolteon135
28th August 2011, 9:45 PM
Ugh, is there any way to find seed's date, time and adjacent seeds WITHOUT going through the tedious process of finding them in a Time Finder? I have one seed which I constatnly reuse (ADFA217813333727), but it's going on my nerves when every time I want to RNG something, I need to wait till Time Finder searches through the billions of useless seeds.

tl;dr Seed To Time for non C-Gear seeds plox!
You realize you can easily save your seeds, right? You can copy (Ctrl+C) and paste (Ctrl+V) them into excel/word/whatever if you want to reuse them. You can also right click and export them to CSV (excel type file).


If my VCount says 60, when do I press A to get into the game? I pressed A at 20:36.
Press A 1 second early to start up the game (from the DS menu). For example if RNG reporter tells you to start up at 18:25:28 you should actually start up the game at 18:25:27.

Kailassa
28th August 2011, 10:12 PM
Ugh, is there any way to find seed's date, time and adjacent seeds WITHOUT going through the tedious process of finding them in a Time Finder? I have one seed which I constatnly reuse (ADFA217813333727), but it's going on my nerves when every time I want to RNG something, I need to wait till Time Finder searches through the billions of useless seeds.

Excel is perfect for this.
Any time I do a search I export the results to a CSV file and keep any that might come in useful later. I've left my PC searching at night and saved the results until I've now got pretty well any combination I want on hand without having to do a search for it.

When you do save your results in Excel, always put an apostrophe before the seeds and PIDs, and if you change the date/time format, before that too. Otherwise Excel sometimes thinks it's recognising a string, and converts these into weird stuff.

NoDice
29th August 2011, 4:01 AM
I might have something big I have been RNGing that may have finally came to fruition... can someone explain how to do Pokeball and Pokemon sprites in a post?

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
29th August 2011, 4:13 AM
I might have something big I have been RNGing that may have finally came to fruition... can someone explain how to do Pokeball and Pokemon sprites in a post?

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9_Ball - Pokeballs.

http://pokecheck.kraftpaper.org/i/anim/ Standard sprites.

http://pokecheck.kraftpaper.org/i/anims/ Shiny sprites.

NoDice
29th August 2011, 4:38 AM
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bag_Dusk_Ball_Sprite.png

http://pokecheck.kraftpaper.org/i/anims/641.gif

Tornadus @ NAIVE
30/31/30/31/31/31 HP ICE!
May 9th, 2014 -_-
Caught on Route 8



Well apparently the Dusk Ball sprite wont work... but seriously, after a month of calibrating in my free time and having problems consistently hitting frames.... here it is. My shiny Naive Tornadus! Jolt if you want that copy let me know... I owe even being able to slightly attempt this to you dude.

TDawg
29th August 2011, 4:40 AM
Very Nice STUD I wanna RNG those guys but its too late-_-

NoDice
29th August 2011, 4:45 AM
Thanks T Dawg. You wouldnt believe the patience this took. The last week was complete torture, since my frame was on 1128 and my starting was around 612. I had to do 500 advances SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many times! And I hadnt attempted in a couple days... I randomly decided to try it again tonight.. and hit that SH** on the first try! Yeeeeaaaaayaa! hahaa

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
29th August 2011, 4:48 AM
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bag_Dusk_Ball_Sprite.png

http://pokecheck.kraftpaper.org/i/anims/641.gif

Tornadus @ NAIVE
30/31/30/31/31/31 HP ICE!
May 9th, 2014 -_-
Caught on Route 8



Well apparently the Dusk Ball sprite wont work... but seriously, after a month of calibrating in my free time and having problems consistently hitting frames.... here it is. My shiny Naive Tornadus! Jolt if you want that copy let me know... I owe even being able to slightly attempt this to you dude.

Shiny roamer on a retail cart; that's how it's done.

NoDice
29th August 2011, 4:54 AM
Shiny roamer on a retail cart; that's how it's done.
For sure. Its like the second hardest thing to do, and I definitely know why people say that now.

Im gunna do a Thunderus on an extra White that I got from GameFly next. However, Im definitely going to RNG my ID SID specifically for it on that card.... screw doing a billion PID advances. lol

TDawg
29th August 2011, 4:57 AM
Thanks T Dawg. You wouldnt believe the patience this took. The last week was complete torture, since my frame was on 1128 and my starting was around 612. I had to do 500 advances SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many times! And I hadnt attempted in a couple days... I randomly decided to try it again tonight.. and hit that SH** on the first try! Yeeeeaaaaayaa! hahaa

Damn lol. Well glad your patience finally paid off!:D

jolteon135
29th August 2011, 5:10 AM
Congrats STUD. Glad your dedication payed off! Yes, a copy of it would be nice. :D

NoDice
29th August 2011, 5:12 AM
Congrats STUD. Glad your dedication payed off! Yes, a copy of it would be nice. :D

PM me your FC and ill send you mine- would you like a nickname?

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
29th August 2011, 5:23 AM
Guys, take this to VM.

Shadow_Assailant
29th August 2011, 5:24 AM
Congratulations, STUD! :D

Just got this guy a minute ago:


http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/585.gif
#585 Deerling | Normal-Grass | Male | Poké Ball
OT: Shadow | ID: 05497 | SID: 13142 | Shiny: No
Nature: Bold | Ability: Chlorophyll | Characteristic: Likes to thrash about.
Date: 8/28/2011 | Caught: Route 6| Met at Lvl. 22
Hidden Power/Power: Steel/70 | IVs: 31/31/31/X/30/31

It's always an extra special RNG when you don't have to do any PID Advancements and you get a successful critical capture. :]

Now, I'll be going for a shiny one of these that's flawless and is Jolly. :D

-Edit: Oh yeah. A question that's been on my mind for a while; after I receive an egg from the Day-Care Man, could I turn the C-Gear on and use a Pass Power to make the step amount smaller and not have to worry about it messing up what's inside of the egg? It's okay to be lazy sometimes. :D

NoDice
29th August 2011, 5:28 AM
Congratulations, STUD! :D

Just got this guy a minute ago:


http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/585.gif
#585 Deerling | Normal-Grass | Male | Poké Ball
OT: Shadow | ID: 05497 | SID: 13142 | Shiny: No
Nature: Bold | Ability: Chlorophyll | Characteristic: Likes to thrash about.
Date: 8/28/2011 | Caught: Route 6| Met at Lvl. 22
Hidden Power/Power: Steel/70 | IVs: 31/31/31/3/30/31

It's always an extra special RNG when you don't have to do any PID Advancements and you get a successful critical capture. :]

Now, I'll be going for a shiny one of these that's flawless and is Jolly. :D

Thanks and thats a nice flawless! GL with the shiny!

kaiser soze
29th August 2011, 5:30 AM
-Edit: Oh yeah. A question that's been on my mind for a while; after I receive an egg from the Day-Care Man, could I turn the C-Gear on and use a Pass Power to make the step amount smaller and not have to worry about it messing up what's inside of the egg? It's okay to be lazy sometimes. :D
The pokemon inside is determined once you pick it up, so nothing you do afterwards will affect it. You just gave me an idea....

Shadow_Assailant
29th August 2011, 5:31 AM
The pokemon inside is determined once you pick it up, so nothing you do afterwards will affect it. You just gave me an idea....

Sweet! Let the not-wanting-to-wait-for-an-egg-to-hatch-laziness commence!

Kailassa
29th August 2011, 5:36 AM
The pokemon inside is determined once you pick it up, so nothing you do afterwards will affect it. You just gave me an idea....

- Except trading it to another game before it hatches. ;)

kaiser soze
29th August 2011, 5:42 AM
- Except trading it to another game before it hatches. ;)
That only changes the OT though, right?

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
29th August 2011, 5:45 AM
And resulting in an egg that won't be hatching shiny unless the SID of it matches the new owner's.

Shadow_Assailant
29th August 2011, 5:46 AM
Hey, do you guys think it's weird that PPRNG is given me seeds on days I'm not even searching for? I've searched for a seed on today's date (28th where I'm at), but I'm getting seeds that range from the 29th to the 30th. :S

-Edit: This is about Deerling/Sawsbuck. Does anyone know a way to keep Sawsbuck in the Winter form when it's not Winter? I prefer the Winter look over all the rest. :]

Kailassa
29th August 2011, 6:01 AM
[QUOTE=STUD;13325617]

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/59/Dream_Dusk_Ball_Sprite.png

http://pokecheck.kraftpaper.org/i/anims/641.gif

Tornadus @ NAIVE
30/31/30/31/31/31 HP ICE!
May 9th, 2014 -_-
Caught on Route 8



That's brilliant, Stud, a real inspiration to the rest of us.
I'm glad your perseverance paid off.

(You needed to do a "View Image" on the poké ball. It compliments his colours.)

Kailassa
29th August 2011, 6:10 AM
And resulting in an egg that won't be hatching shiny unless the SID of it matches the new owner's.

Eggs don't have SIDs.

Shininess depends on the interaction between the egg's PID and the original trainer's SID. It's possible for an egg which was not going to hatch shiny for the person who created it, to hatch shiny after it's been traded to a person with a suitable SID.

There's an MM club that takes advantage of this by which collecting its member's SIDs and farming the eggs out to members for whom these eggs will hatch as shinies.

Edited to add: Both the ID and SID recorded on a Pokémon are those of the person who hatched it. They will always match those of the hatching trainer because they are the IDs of that trainer.

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
29th August 2011, 6:23 AM
Eggs don't have SIDs.

Shininess depends on the interaction between the egg's PID and the original trainer's SID. It's possible for an egg which was not going to hatch shiny for the person who created it, to hatch shiny after it's been traded to a person with a suitable SID.

There's an MM club that takes advantage of this by which collecting its member's SIDs and farming the eggs out to members for whom these eggs will hatch as shinies.

That's the line which was pretty much what I meant; just poorly worded. Please cease these incessant attempts to correct me - it's becoming irritating now.

kaiser soze
29th August 2011, 6:26 AM
-Edit: This is about Deerling/Sawsbuck. Does anyone know a way to keep Sawsbuck in the Winter form when it's not Winter? I prefer the Winter look over all the rest. :]
You could possibly try to stick it in your Battle Box during the winter so when you send it in a battle it will be in winter form. IDK if it will work though.

Well, good thing I haven't been trading RNGed eggs then.

Kailassa
29th August 2011, 7:02 AM
That's the line which was pretty much what I meant; just poorly worded. Please cease these incessant attempts to correct me - it's becoming irritating now.
Nothing personal, Advent. I appreciate it if people show me I've made a mistake, and I occasionally point out the same to others in a spirit of kindness.

The fact is, you posted that an egg can have an SID which does not match that of the hatching trainer. If you want to post things like that which are not wholly accurate, without anyone correcting your mistakes, perhaps a blog would be more suited to your purposes.

If you insist on indulging in nonsensical slurs over me having "attempted to correct you," as you put it, take it to PM.

TDawg
29th August 2011, 11:40 AM
Ah late night for me trying to get this guy. I don;t like his shiny so kept him nice and plain:D He will be Rotom-W btw


http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/479.gif
#479 Rotom | Electric/Ghost(Water) |Genderless:O| Poké Ball
Nature: Modest | Ability: Levitate | Characteristic: Somewhat Vain
Date: 8/1/2011 | Hatched at: Skyarrow Bridge
Hidden Power/Power: Dragon/68 | IVs: 31/20/31/31/31/31
Moves: Trick | Hydro Pump | Thunder | Will-O-Wisp

PS I did steal your RNG template thing Shadow lol :p

Too Funk to Druck
29th August 2011, 3:15 PM
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/3d/Bag_Timer_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/645.gif ★
#645 Landorus | NN: None | Gender: ♂
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Naive | Caught: 2/2/2000 | Abundant Shrine
Type:Ground/Flying | Ability: Sand Force
Earthquake | Rock Slide | Sandstorm | Fissure
31/30/30/31/31/31
Hidden Power:Ice 70

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/6d/Bag_Master_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/646.gif ★
#646 Kyurem | NN: None | Gender: N/A
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Timid | Caught: 7/28/2000 | Giant Chasm
Type:Dragon/Ice | Ability: Pressure
Glaciate | Dragon Pulse | Imprison | Endeavor
30/6/31/30/31/30
Hidden Power:Fire 70

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/06/Bag_Dusk_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/641.gif ★
#641 Tornadus | NN: None | Gender: ♂
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Jolly | Caught: 2/1/2000 | Route 13
Type:Flying | Ability: Prankster
Revenge | Air Cutter | Extrasensory | Agility
31/31/31/0/31/31
Hidden Power:N/A

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/3d/Bag_Timer_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/643.gif ★
#643 Reshiram | NN: None | Gender: N/A
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Timid | Caught: 12/12/2011 | N's Castle
Type: Dragon/Fire | Ability: Turboblaze
Dragonbreath | Slash | Extrasensory | Fusion Flare
31/2/31/31/31/31
Hidden Power: N/A

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/17/Bag_Heal_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/637.gif ★
#637 Volcarona | NN: None | Gender: ♀
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Timid | Caught: 2/2/2000 | Relic Castle
Type: Bug/Fire | Ability: Flame Body
Silver Wind | Quiver Dance | Heat Wave | Bug Buzz
31/30/30/31/31/31
Hidden Power: Ice 70

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/17/Bag_Heal_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/640.gif ★
#640 Virizion | NN: Verizon | Gender: N/A
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Timid | Caught: 2/2/2000 | Rumination Field
Type: Grass/Fighting | Ability: Justified
Helping Hand | Retaliate | Giga Drain | Sacred Sword
31/30/30/31/31/31
Hidden Power: Ice 70

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/3d/Bag_Timer_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/639.gif ★
#639 Terrakion | NN: None | Gender: N/A
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Jolly | Caught: 3/15/2000 | Trial Chamber
Type: Rock/Fighting | Ability: Justified
Helping Hand | Retaliate | Rock Slide | Sacred Sword
31/31/31/8/31/31
Hidden Power: N/A
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/9/93/Bag_Pok%C3%A9_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/479.gif-> http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/479-wash.gif★
#627 Rotom | NN: None| Gender: None
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Timid | Hatched: 5/1/2011| Chargestone Cave
Type: Electric/Water | Ability: Levitate
Hydro Pump | Confuse Ray | Will-O-Wisp | Thunderbolt
31/26/30/31/31/31
Hidden Power:Ice 70
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/9/93/Bag_Pok%C3%A9_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/175.gif-> http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/176.gif->http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/45/Bag_Shiny_Stone_Sprite.pnghttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/468.gif★
#175 Togepi | NN: None | Gender: ♂
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Timid | Hatched: 11/1/2011| Skyarrow Bridge
Type: Normal/Flying | Ability: Serene Grace
Growl | Charm | Nasty Plot
31/20/31/31/31/31
Hidden Power: N/A
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/9/93/Bag_Pok%C3%A9_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/133.gif ->http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/3f/Bag_Water_Stone_Sprite.pnghttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/134.gif http://www.pokecheck.org/i/shiny.png
#133 Eevee | NN: None| Gender: ♂
OT: Ayumi~* | ID: 13423
Modest | Hatched: 6/7/2012| Moor of Icirrus
Type: Normal(Water) | Ability: Anticipation(Hydration)
Tail Whip | Tackle | Helping Hand
31/30/31/30/31/31
Hidden Power: Grass 70

darthmalice777
29th August 2011, 5:21 PM
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Bag_Dusk_Ball_Sprite.png

http://pokecheck.kraftpaper.org/i/anims/641.gif

Tornadus @ NAIVE
30/31/30/31/31/31 HP ICE!
May 9th, 2014 -_-
Caught on Route 8



Well apparently the Dusk Ball sprite wont work... but seriously, after a month of calibrating in my free time and having problems consistently hitting frames.... here it is. My shiny Naive Tornadus! Jolt if you want that copy let me know... I owe even being able to slightly attempt this to you dude.

Very nice, STUD. I tried for Thundurus on my white for about 12-15 hours over 3 days, and gave up when I got the Timid one I got that wasn't shiny. I actually don't like Thundurus' sprite shiny or not, so I was pretty willing to settle. Grats again though, thats a very nice abuse of the RNG.

Tarro57
29th August 2011, 9:42 PM
Well, my computer broke down, so I won't be able to RNG until it goes up again... sigh... Good Luck everyone...

Shadow_Assailant
29th August 2011, 10:40 PM
PS I did steal your RNG template thing Shadow lol :p

:O Give it back! D: Jk. :P Glad you liked my template. :D

@TDawg & Funk: Nice RNG's you guys! :D

Success is bliss, isn't it?


http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/585.gif
#585 Deerling | Normal-Grass | Male | Poké Ball
OT: Shadow | ID: 05497 | SID: 13142 | Shiny: Yes
Nature: Jolly | Ability: Chlorophyll | Characteristic: Often dozes off.
Date: 8/28/2011 | Hatched: Skyarrow Bridge | Met at Lvl. 1
Hidden Power/Power: Dark/70 | IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31

Kailassa
29th August 2011, 11:20 PM
I've just got my new game, Black this time, up to the Elite 4 and got my parameters. I caught a dozen pokemon and only one was not the same as the others, so it looks like this will be very different to my White, in which I have a 50/50 chance of getting either Timer0 value.

Now, seeing everybody on this board has shown such obvious delight when I make a suggestion, I've got a couple more to make, this time regarding future builds of RNG Reporter.

I'm searching through years, one month at a time, in the possibly vain hope of finding a perfect shiny stationary pokemon on a frame one. It would be nice to be able to search a whole year at a time. - Or is there a way to already that I haven't noticed?

It would also be handy if the app. beeped when a search was finished. Would that be possible?

The RNG Reporter here is doing a wonderful job servicing three games, so I'm forever having to find my parameters list and put the new ones in whenever it's being used for a new one. So one extra bit of programming in it would be really sweet, the ability to save several parameter settings, and be able to choose setting 1, 2 or 3, when you open it.


Well, my computer broke down, so I won't be able to RNG until it goes up again... sigh... Good Luck everyone...
Good luck yourself, Tarro. It's bad enough being computerless anyway, but when you're wanting to RNG ...
I've got a heap of seeds safely stored, but they're all stored on my computer. Perhaps I should print them out.
I hope you get it mended fast and stun us with some more shiny beauties.

NoDice
30th August 2011, 12:49 AM
[QUOTE=STUD;13325617]

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Tornadus @ NAIVE
30/31/30/31/31/31 HP ICE!
May 9th, 2014 -_-
Caught on Route 8



That's brilliant, Stud, a real inspiration to the rest of us.
I'm glad your perseverance paid off.

(You needed to do a "View Image" on the poké ball. It compliments his colours.)

Thanks! ^_^ I chose that ball because the green is as close to his as I could get, and the purple colors that come out compliment his tail, horns, and spots a great deal! Im very proud I finally got it though, it was definitely a pain, but if I can get it with having to do 500 advances (and countless hours of calibrating due to varying PIDs) anyone can! Jolteon helped me out a great deal with this, and he even made a video (posted in the OP) just for me to see how he was doing it so I could imitate! I owe this achievement to him!



With pre-band camp, being sick, and regular old band camp, I haven't had a chance to do any rnging. Luckily, I found time this weekend, and used seeds I had written down beforehand:


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Scraggy/Scrafty | OT:Ayumi~<3
Jolly | Hatched: 8/7/11 | Route 3
Ability: Moxie/Shed Skin
Leer|Low Kick|Dragon Dance|Ice Punch
30/31/31/x/31/31
31/31/31/x/31/31

yeah, these gave me a hard time. And it's pretty much because my handwriting is crap. And also because I wrote down the wrong date and time for one of them. <.< Ah well.

Thats a fantastic RNG! I love Scrafty's shiny sprite. Good work!


Very nice, STUD. I tried for Thundurus on my white for about 12-15 hours over 3 days, and gave up when I got the Timid one I got that wasn't shiny. I actually don't like Thundurus' sprite shiny or not, so I was pretty willing to settle. Grats again though, thats a very nice abuse of the RNG.

Im planning on doing Thundurus next actually, but Im RNGing the IDs for it so I can hopefully get it within a week instead of a month! I actually like the genies designs, and Thundurus's design coupled with its shiny colors are my favorites. If you ever decide to ID/SID RNG you should give it another shot! I know you can do it! Also with how hard they are to RNG Im sure they fetch a pretty nice price on the trade forums.

A little on topic, a little off topic. When I get around to getting the Thundurus, what ball should I use? I was thinking either Quick Ball or Net Ball, since they compliment its colors. Dive Ball could work as well.

Kailassa
30th August 2011, 3:08 AM
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Dive is ok. Sadly, the best is the cheesiest.

NoDice
30th August 2011, 5:23 AM
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Dive is ok. Sadly, the best is the cheesiest.

Thanks for that Kailassa! Yeah I might have to go with Dive... what is the animation for it? I havent used one in years... lol Ill see if I can youtube it.

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
30th August 2011, 5:33 AM
Haven't posted new stuff in a while.


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#479 Rotom|Timid/Modest|Levitate|31/26/31/30/31/30|Fire 70|
|Hatched at Chargestone Cave|
|Notes: Intended to be Wash/Frost/Cut|



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#058 - 059 Growlithe|Jolly/Adamant|Intimidate|31/31/31/31/31/31|
|Close Combat/Crunch/Flare Blitz/Extremespeed|
|Hatched at Challengers Cave|

Ballistic Buizel
30th August 2011, 2:39 PM
Haven't posted new stuff in a while.


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#479 Rotom|Timid/Modest|Levitate|31/26/31/30/31/30|Fire 70|
|Hatched at Chargestone Cave|
|Notes: Intended to be Wash/Frost/Cut|



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#058 - 059 Growlithe|Jolly/Adamant|Intimidate|31/31/31/31/31/31|
|Close Combat/Crunch/Flare Blitz/Extremespeed|
|Hatched at Challengers Cave|

They look really nice, A d v e n t! :D



My PPRNG is malfuncrioning. Whenever I search for seeds with VERY specific requirements that used to turn up results, the PPRNG says "oh, it's gonna turn up over 10,000 results you have to make your search more specific" but I can't make my search any more specific because I filled in EVERY SINGLE BOX. I don't get what's happening! And I need it because I have to build my wifi team, which I need up and running really soon! I also posted this in the club.

kaiser soze
30th August 2011, 4:51 PM
@BB can you post a screenshot? Off the top of my head you most likely didn't shrink the max IV frame and it's trying to search between frames 1 and 50. But visual help is always helpful :D

Hold Command+Shift+3 to take the screenshot, then upload to photobucket etc, then copy&paste the IMG code.

Too Funk to Druck
30th August 2011, 5:12 PM
I'm going to try to RNG one thing everyday before school starts. Here's todays:


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Solosis/Duosion/Reuniclus|Gender: F
OT: Ayumi~<3 | ID: 02999
Bold | Hatched: 8/4/11 | Route 3
Ability: Magic Guard
Psywave|Trick|Return
31/x/31/31/31/31
Not much to say about this one. I kept consistently hitting the wrong seed for some reason though.

Zak Attack XIII
30th August 2011, 6:04 PM
I downloaded the Program... and I can't use the "RNGReporter.exe.config file"
is that Important...? Or just something the computer needs to run RNG?
I can open the RNGReporter just fine though...
also where is every one getting the Glaceon Timer I cant find it..?
Sorry I'm new to RNG.... = )

Ballistic Buizel
30th August 2011, 6:07 PM
@BB can you post a screenshot? Off the top of my head you most likely didn't shrink the max IV frame and it's trying to search between frames 1 and 50. But visual help is always helpful :D

Hold Command+Shift+3 to take the screenshot, then upload to photobucket etc, then copy&paste the IMG code.

I did shrink the max IV fram D: But now it seems to be working, but it takes a full day to search anything D: Is this normal?

Nikator
30th August 2011, 6:08 PM
I downloaded the Program... and I can't use the "RNGReporter.exe.config file"
is that Important...? Or just something the computer needs to run RNG?
I can open the RNGReporter just fine though...
also where is every one getting the Glaceon Timer I cant find it..?
Sorry I'm new to RNG.... = )

Don't worry about the file, you just need to run the program.
What do you mean the Glaceon Timer? What guide are you using, and what Gen abuse are you attempting?

Zak Attack XIII
30th August 2011, 6:15 PM
5th gen and The guide was the BEARSFAN092’s RNG VIDEO GUIDES:

I just need a Timer.. does the program come with One....
BEARSFAN092 said to use the "eon"( like glacEON) Timer.. it had a pic of glaceon on it. i don't know what/where that is...

Too Funk to Druck
30th August 2011, 6:18 PM
5th gen and The guide was the BEARSFAN092’s RNG VIDEO GUIDES:

I just need a Timer.. does the program come with One....
BEARSFAN092 said to use the "eon"( like glacEON) Timer.. it had a pic of glaceon on it. i don't know what/where that is...

C-gear or non c-gear? Because if it's non c-gear, you don't need a timer.

ETA: The smogon thread probably has links to the downloads.

Zak Attack XIII
30th August 2011, 6:19 PM
Its C-Gear.

Zak Attack XIII
30th August 2011, 6:22 PM
awh the probram I DL'd is non c- gear...
where do you get the C-gear Program?

Nikator
30th August 2011, 6:25 PM
Its the same program, you just use a different mode on the drop down box. C-gear RNGing is one of the hardest methods though. I'd recommend starting on non-c-gear, at least till you know your way round the terms and program. Since you seem to be struggling from the outset.

Too Funk to Druck
30th August 2011, 6:27 PM
RNG Reporter has both c-gear and non c-gear.

Edit: Ninja'd

Zak Attack XIII
30th August 2011, 6:29 PM
OK thanks for the help friends! = )

kaiser soze
30th August 2011, 6:49 PM
I did shrink the max IV fram D: But now it seems to be working, but it takes a full day to search anything D: Is this normal?
Sadly, yes, but how strict your criteria makes a difference too. The more keypresses, dates, IV frames, etc, the wider the field it needs to search, so it will take longer. You can reduce how strict your criteria is for more hits, too. There are a lot more physically/specially flawless seeds than hex flawless seeds. By not specifying a nature for your shines, you can manually look through your results for synchronizable seeds. And of course more keypresses, more results.

Nikator
30th August 2011, 9:29 PM
Just had a scan a couple of pages back, that Genie is really impressive STUD, great work! Just got my hands on a DW female Vulpix so might try my first DW tomorrow. Did these today, for trades but made two of each obviously.


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495 | Snivy | Grass | Male | Shiny: Yes
Nature: Timid | Ability: Overgrow | Characteristic: Mischievous.
Tackle | Reflect | Light Screen
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31
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498 | Tepig | Fire-Fighting | Male | Shiny: Yes
Nature: Adamant | Ability: Blaze | Characteristic: Somewhat Vain.
Tackle | Superpower | Wild Charge |
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31
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501 | Oshawott | Water | Male | Shiny: Yes
Nature: Adamant | Ability: Torrent | Characteristic: Somewhat Vain.
Tackle | Waterfall | Night Slash | Swords Dance
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31
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532 | Timburr | Fighting | Male | Shiny: Yes
Nature: Brave | Ability: Guts | Characteristic: Often dozes off.
Mach Punch | Drain Punch | Bulk Up | Payback
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/0
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624 | Pawniard | Dark-Steel | Male | Shiny: Yes
Nature: Adamant | Ability: Defiant | Characteristic: Capable of taking hits.
Scratch | Stealth Rock
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31



I've pretty much finished all of the in-game stuff in White now so was thinking about starting either Platinum or Soulsilver. (Before I get into battling I need to learn the rest of the 'mons #252-493.) So I figure I may as well abuse my SID/ID for whichever - i'll probably only RNG the legendaries though since most else can be bred on 5th gen anyway. Does anyone know the best guide and which game it is easier to RNG on? Cheers!

TDawg
30th August 2011, 11:44 PM
Whoa good job Nikator. Ah has anyone ever mashed X too many times? so like the menu pops up and then away. Just happened to me-_-

Tarro57
30th August 2011, 11:52 PM
Okay, really? It's when my computer shuts down when you all get the epic stuff, hmph, that's just mean (JK). Nice work everyone, especially with the genies guys! Those are epic! And nice job Nikator! Hope to see more.

Also, I am posting here from my computer, the first one. My second computer broke down which had RNG Reporter on it and I can't download it on this computer because this computer has too much data on it already. I'm planning on buying my own hardrive.

Zak Attack XIII
31st August 2011, 12:02 AM
What would be the best/recommended Guide for Breed RNGing Flawless Pokes?

TDawg
31st August 2011, 12:05 AM
Just got this little guy. I guess I had a different ID/SID because I was messing with it for 4th Gen RNG and I got a normal Mudkip:/ oh well still awesome lol


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#258 Mudkip | Water |Male| Poké Ball
Nature: Careful | Ability: Torrent | Characteristic: Capable of taking hits
Date: 8/1/2011 | Hatched at: Skyarrow Bridge
Hidden Power/Power: Electric/59 | IVs: 31/31/31/0/31/31
Moves: Tackle | Leer | Ice Beam(Not Intentional)

Kailassa
31st August 2011, 1:48 AM
I'm so glad of this forum.

I've got my new Black game through Victory Road, got my parameters and spent days searching until I found a couple of frame one, perfect, shiny, synchronizable seeds with which to catch the three musketeers. (600-700 chatters, but that's to be expected.)

I spent hours last night catching perfect, non-shiny Cobalions, trying to work out where I was on the frame list, and nothing matched up anywhere. This morning, getting back to it with a clearer head, I remembered other people having this problem and being told to check that Reporter was using the correct ID/SID.

Sure enough, although the parameters page was updated correctly, the ID/SID Reporter was using were the old White ones.

Well, at least I can easily catch a perfect non-shiny Cobalion if I want to settle. It's funny how having more makes you want more. A few months back I'd have been delighted with that. Now it would be a disappointment.



Now I'm restarting the search. I really want a perfect pink Virizion in a heal ball. I'm still tossing up over a nature for that one as it's going to have Giga Drain, (I love life-drain moves, whatever the game,) and it has great physical attacks.

After these comes the scary prospect of catching a perfect Reshiram. Does a frame one stationary seed work for that one?

To count fast without getting lost, (bad concentration and frequent interruptions here,) I write it out in 20s on notepad, 20, 40, 60, etc, up to the target, only count to 20 each time and highlight the number I'm up to.
This way I don't keep losing count and having to redo it. - Which meant that when a possum came down the kitchen chimney last night, I could put out the possum and the fire it had started and then get back to my count. ;)
Scratch that. Instead I now enter 0+20 into calculator and press = each time I count another 20, - much better.


Got lucky. Found the seed I wanted in first month I searched. It's on the day after my birthday. :D

And here is the first of my new Musketeer set:

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31/31/31/31/31/31 Adamant
Caught: Guidance Chamber
27:03:2011

Nikator
31st August 2011, 11:08 AM
Yes Tdawg, I too have suffered the overbashing X. I just loaded up my game and by habit mashed it even though I wasn't RNGing, perhaps I overdid it yesterday! My worst fail was yesterday though, I got my maths wrong as kept doing 161 instead of 163 flips- just assumed I was hitting the wrong seed or my timer0 had flipped for the first 10 eggs or so. After that I saw my error and raged. Honestly though, fair play to MMers'- I dunno how they've got the stamina, I was bored stupid after about 5 eggs.
Kailassa that Muskadeer is wonderful! Nice to know about the ID glitch, i'm considering buying a black version myself so I can RNG all the legends. If only i'd discovered RNGing earlier on my playthrough!

Ballistic Buizel
31st August 2011, 2:58 PM
Yes Tdawg, I too have suffered the overbashing X. I just loaded up my game and by habit mashed it even though I wasn't RNGing, perhaps I overdid it yesterday! My worst fail was yesterday though, I got my maths wrong as kept doing 161 instead of 163 flips- just assumed I was hitting the wrong seed or my timer0 had flipped for the first 10 eggs or so. After that I saw my error and raged. Honestly though, fair play to MMers'- I dunno how they've got the stamina, I was bored stupid after about 5 eggs.
Kailassa that Muskadeer is wonderful! Nice to know about the ID glitch, i'm considering buying a black version myself so I can RNG all the legends. If only i'd discovered RNGing earlier on my playthrough!

Before I knew how to RNG, I was an MMer. I only got one shiny though, a modest :( Axew. After only 18 eggs though :D But RNGing is much more efficient. By the way, I want to RNG eggs now once my program is back up, so does anyone have a flawless foreign ditto that I could have to make seed searching easier? I plan to use Iris's Axew which is already flawless to get a shiny Axew.

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
31st August 2011, 3:48 PM
Flawless Dittos (also JPN):

http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=search&pokemon=132&lvl=65&public=1&ivt=150

Everything with the ID/SID 29796/62517 is what you should opt for. Could save you some time over trading.

Ballistic Buizel
31st August 2011, 4:29 PM
Flawless Dittos (also JPN):

http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=search&pokemon=132&lvl=65&public=1&ivt=150

Everything with the ID/SID 29796/62517 is what you should opt for. Could save you some time over trading.


Aha! So how do I get one? I've never used pokecheck to get pokes over GTS.

Too Funk to Druck
31st August 2011, 4:32 PM
Aha! So how do I get one? I've never used pokecheck to get pokes over GTS.

Just follow the directions on the main page.

Zak Attack XIII
31st August 2011, 5:54 PM
If I'm breeding a Japaneses Shiny Ditto with English Valpix do i Check Breeding (BW, International)? and does a Shiny Japaneses Ditto make it more likely I get a Shiny while RNGing eggs?

Nikator
31st August 2011, 6:07 PM
If I'm breeding a Japaneses Shiny Ditto with English Valpix do i Check Breeding (BW, International)? and does a Shiny Japaneses Ditto make it more likely I get a Shiny while RNGing eggs?

Yes you use international, since they are both from different regions. And yes, using a foreign pokemon cuts your chances from around 9000 to 1000. So you will get 9 times as many results

Ballistic Buizel
31st August 2011, 6:14 PM
Just follow the directions on the main page.

It said that I had to register, but when I tried registering it wouldn't let me. I entered in a password that fit the length requirement, I followed their username requirements, and I entered my email. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

Zak Attack XIII
31st August 2011, 6:20 PM
Yes you use international, since they are both from different regions. And yes, using a foreign pokemon cuts your chances from around 9000 to 1000. So you will get 9 times as many results

Thanks friend! thats what I wanted to hear.... or read more like...= )

Too Funk to Druck
31st August 2011, 6:25 PM
It said that I had to register, but when I tried registering it wouldn't let me. I entered in a password that fit the length requirement, I followed their username requirements, and I entered my email. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

I don't know what you could be doing wrong. I just attempted to register and it worked perfectly fine for me.

Nikator
31st August 2011, 6:27 PM
It said that I had to register, but when I tried registering it wouldn't let me. I entered in a password that fit the length requirement, I followed their username requirements, and I entered my email. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

Have you already registered before? Maybe try a different Email address. Other than that I don't know..

Edit: Ninjask'd

Ballistic Buizel
31st August 2011, 6:58 PM
No, I have not registered before. I'll try it with a different email address then.

Kailassa
1st September 2011, 1:16 AM
If I'm breeding a Japaneses Shiny Ditto with English Valpix do i Check Breeding (BW, International)? and does a Shiny Japaneses Ditto make it more likely I get a Shiny while RNGing eggs?
Yes, it's (BW, International).

Since Gen 2, whether or not the parent is shiny has no effect on its chance of making shiny eggs. However having them from different language games, as was mentioned above, does make a difference. When breeding pokemon from games in the same language, the chances of hatching a shiny are the same the chances of encountering a wild shiny, 1 in 8192.

When the parents are from games with languages different to each other, the chance is ~ 6 times higher, 1 in 1366.

Breeding from different language games is called the Masuda Method after Game Freak director Junichi Masuda, who programmed it into the Pokémon Diamond and Pearl. in Japanese it's called "International Marriage".

Zak Attack XIII
1st September 2011, 4:03 AM
my DS parameter is not getting any results? I'v filled out all the parts except the "Hold Button" and "Internal seed" what a I doing wrong??

Edit:

And pressing Search.

jolteon135
1st September 2011, 4:15 AM
my DS parameter is not getting any results? I'v filled out all the parts except the "Hold Button" and "Internal seed" what a I doing wrong??

Edit:

And pressing Search.
Didn't you say something about wanting to do c-gear RNGing? You only need your DS MAC address for c-gear RNGing.

Non c-gear is way easier and better than c-gear RNGing but you need an original DS/DS Lite to do non c-gear. A DSi or 3DS won't work.

Kailassa
1st September 2011, 4:18 AM
What level pokemon have you caught for it? How accurate are the IVs?
Can you rare-candy it up?

I didn't get any results for a while, and then realised I'd had 18 hours in the parameters box, but had 6 am on my game clock. I doubt you'd be doing anything that dumb, but check everything, just in case.

Too Funk to Druck
1st September 2011, 4:18 AM
my DS parameter is not getting any results? I'v filled out all the parts except the "Hold Button" and "Internal seed" what a I doing wrong??

Edit:

And pressing Search.

You're doing c-gear right? If so, you don't need to find your parameters.

If you are doing non c-gear, make sure you put in the exact time you entered the game, including the second.

Edit: Wow. super!ninja'd. But I do have my RNG for today:



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Vulpix/Ninetales|Gender: F
OT: Ayumi~<3 | ID: 02999
Nature: Timid | Hatched: 8/19/11 |Hatch Location: Route 3
Ability: Drought
Ember
31/31/31/30/30/31
HP Ground 70

I just really, really love fire types, especially Vulpix, so I'm just happy to have gotten this one without all the weird crap that normally happens when I'm trying to RNG. Of course, there was RNG reporter taking like 5 hours to find this seed, but eh, details.

Zak Attack XIII
1st September 2011, 4:20 AM
Didn't you say something about wanting to do c-gear RNGing? You only need your DS MAC address for c-gear RNGing.

Non c-gear is way easier and better than c-gear RNGing but you need an original DS/DS Lite to do non c-gear. A DSi or 3DS won't work.

I 'm using a original DS and I am Non-c gear RNGing I'm using bearsfan092drums guide Step by step

Zak Attack XIII
1st September 2011, 4:28 AM
What level pokemon have you caught for it? How accurate are the IVs?
Can you rare-candy it up?

I didn't get any results for a while, and then realised I'd had 18 hours in the parameters box, but had 6 am on my game clock. I doubt you'd be doing anything that dumb, but check everything, just in case.


You're doing c-gear right? If so, you don't need to find your parameters.

If you are doing non c-gear, make sure you put in the exact time you entered the game, including the second.

Im using Lv 100's and the IV checker from the RNGreporter.
I'm entering the exact sec's...
I'm Non c-gear RNGing
And the DS is military time... do i type 22:43 or 10:43?

Too Funk to Druck
1st September 2011, 4:31 AM
If you're entering in the PM, it's 22:43, but if it's the AM it's 10:43.

jolteon135
1st September 2011, 4:31 AM
I 'm using a original DS and I am Non-c gear RNGing I'm using bearsfan092drums guide Step by step
You're using an Original DS and a retail cartridge (not a flashcart)?

If that's correct it means you're doing something wrong elsewhere. Check your MAC address again from the WFC settings. Make sure you're entering the time/date you start up the game from the DS menu (watch the seconds hand carefully). Don't press any buttons until the game freak logo comes on. Make sure you don't turn on the c-gear and use the Pokedex-IV checker in RNG reporter to check the IVs of the Pokemon you're sweet scenting. Also make sure the Pokemon is at a fairly high level. Victory road is a good place to sweet scent some fairly high level Pokemon.

You don't need Lv. 100 Pokemon. Just sweet scent something from Victory road and check its IVs. And enter the time exactly like it says on the DS. 22:43 is not a time. You need the seconds as well. Something like 22:43:30 could be used.

Zak Attack XIII
1st September 2011, 4:37 AM
You're using an Original DS and a retail cartridge (not a flashcart)?

If that's correct it means you're doing something wrong elsewhere. Check your MAC address again from the WFC settings. Make sure you're entering the time/date you start up the game from the DS menu (watch the seconds hand carefully). Don't press any buttons until the game freak logo comes on. Make sure you don't turn on the c-gear and use the Pokedex-IV checker in RNG reporter to check the IVs of the Pokemon you're sweet scenting. Also make sure the Pokemon is at a fairly high level. Victory road is a good place to sweet scent some fairly high level Pokemon.

You don't need Lv. 100 Pokemon. Just sweet scent something from Victory road and check its IVs. And enter the time exactly like it says on the DS. 22:43 is not a time. You need the seconds as well. Something like 22:43:30 could be used.



Ive follow al those steps... the Time I put in was 22:43:05
the pokemon I used was lv 13 when I got it but I lv'd it to 100....
I even used the IV checker on RNGrpt....

jolteon135
1st September 2011, 4:43 AM
Ive follow al those steps... the Time I put in was 22:43:05
the pokemon I used was lv 13 when I got it but I lv'd it to 100....
I even used the IV checker on RNGrpt....

So why are you catching Lv. 13 Pokemon when you could just catch something from Victory road and not have to waste your time leveling it?

Also it seems unlikely that you could set the clock to 22:43:00 and start up the game by 22:43:05. For me it takes more than 5 seconds to do that. Are you sure you're looking at the seconds hand correctly? Try to wait for 22:43:15 instead.

Zak Attack XIII
1st September 2011, 4:47 AM
I'm not Far in my new game and I cant change the Time on my Old 5Gen because It messes with Gamesync...

I'm going to start completely over...

jolteon135
1st September 2011, 5:00 AM
I'm not Far in my new game and I cant change the Time on my Old 5Gen because It messes with Gamesync...

I'm going to start completely over...

A low level Pokemon is fine if you have a lot of rare candies to level it. If you still can't find your parameters when you search again post all your info. I'll need the date/time that you started up the game cartridge, DS MAC address, game version, the Pokemon you got from sweet scenting and its stats/nature/characteristic after you level it up. I don't want the IVs, I want the actual stats.

kaiser soze
1st September 2011, 5:05 AM
You DO need to be in a wandering NPC-free area (however I'm not sure if he said where he's trying).

jolteon135
1st September 2011, 5:09 AM
Nope, NPCs don't affect IVs so it doesn't matter if there are WNPCs.

Kailassa
1st September 2011, 9:48 AM
I'm not Far in my new game and I cant change the Time on my Old 5Gen because It messes with Gamesync...

I'm going to start completely over...

You can't RNG without continually changing your time, so you have to choose between RNGing and using Gamesync. If you want to do both, RNG like mad one day a week, then 2 days later you can do global link again. Some people say one day, but I always have to wait two.

I've got the same problem, I want to keep using the dream world, but there's RNGing to do.

I suggest you forget about RNGing until you get to Victory Road, then spend a few days getting your legends. It's much easier to get your parameters with pokes caught at a higher level. In the meantime collect berries and DW pokemon. You might be able to eventually do what I'm doing, getting a cheap second-hand DS and another game, and keeping one for doing global link and levelling your pokemon up, and the other for RNGing.

Once you do have your parameters, if you decide to start over those parameters will still be correct for that particular game cart in that particular DS. So even if you do want to restart, you might as well do a speed run to Victory Road and get your parameters first.

Nikator
1st September 2011, 11:47 AM
Ive follow al those steps... the Time I put in was 22:43:05
the pokemon I used was lv 13 when I got it but I lv'd it to 100....
I even used the IV checker on RNGrpt....

Level doesn't make a difference to your IV's, they are constant - just easier to calculate at higher levels.
You say you aren't far in yet have levelled multiple pokemon up to 100. So i'm guessing you are using AR, if you check the first post you will see you can't RNG with an AR, the two aren't compatible.
Just catch a level 20ish pokemon, then rare candy it up as many times as possible alongside an IV calc. Or level it up with Audino's but remember to factor in the EV gain.

Kailassa
1st September 2011, 1:56 PM
My Musketeers are now complete.



http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/852/beachgrass.gifhttp://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4544/ballnetbal.gifhttp://img833.imageshack.us/img833/3535/2624666.gifhttp://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4720/36221358.gifhttp://img843.imageshack.us/img843/7350/healball.pnghttp://img695.imageshack.us/img695/9270/640j.gifhttp://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4720/36221358.gifhttp://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9512/luxuryball.gifhttp://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2607/639y.gifhttp://img825.imageshack.us/img825/852/beachgrass.gif


Adamant, Naive, Adamant, all hex31

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/641/autumn.gif

My other shiny RNGs - all at least pentaperfect

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/3769/cryogonalshiny.gif http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/5856/golettshiny.gif http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1227/boldoreshiny.gif http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1936/pawniardshiny.gif http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/7554/druddigonshiny.gif http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/8958/cubchooshiny.gif



http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7881/mushline.gif

Nikator
1st September 2011, 2:01 PM
My Musketeers are now complete.



http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/852/beachgrass.gifhttp://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4544/ballnetbal.gifhttp://img833.imageshack.us/img833/3535/2624666.gifhttp://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4720/36221358.gifhttp://img843.imageshack.us/img843/7350/healball.pnghttp://img695.imageshack.us/img695/9270/640j.gifhttp://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4720/36221358.gifhttp://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9512/luxuryball.gifhttp://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2607/639y.gifhttp://img825.imageshack.us/img825/852/beachgrass.gif


Adamant, Naive, Adamant, all hex31

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/641/autumn.gif

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7881/mushline.gif

Congratulations! Those are really quite superb! Sadly I caught all the Muskadeers before I could RNG so mine are flawed. Though I must say looking at yours i'm incredibly tempted to restart my game. I freaking love Terrakion. I've just bred a near flawless DW vulpix (Hp ground) and am churning out a couple more. Will post later.

Kailassa
1st September 2011, 4:18 PM
Congratulations! Those are really quite superb! Sadly I caught all the Muskadeers before I could RNG so mine are flawed. Though I must say looking at yours i'm incredibly tempted to restart my game. I freaking love Terrakion. I've just bred a near flawless DW vulpix (Hp ground) and am churning out a couple more. Will post later.
I like that, Muskadeers, two of them certainly look like deer.

I caught Virizion twice. The first time I ran out of heal balls and caught it in premier ball, but it didn't look right, so I reset and bought more heal balls before trying again. I'm not sure how many times I advanced 613 PID frames to get those 3. Of course once I'd finished, RNG Reporter turned up a frame 1 adamant seed which only requires 5 PID advances ...but that would make them caught in 2013.

I'm looking forward to breeding a DW Vulpix myself - with Heatwave to use in doubles. I've got some raw material running around in Entree Forest. Yours with HP ground sounds yummy.

If you do want to restart your game, install IR GTS on your computer and you can upload all your mons in no time. I don't know if it's hard to do, because a friend did it for me here, but once it's done it's fantastic. It means risk-free cloning, too.

kaiser soze
1st September 2011, 7:53 PM
For all of us weird Mac people:

There is a new version of PPRNG, version 1.5. Upgrades include more specific search criteria for shinies and finding the initial PID frame, like RNGrepoter does. I'm going to give it a spin this weekend. But it looks like I'll have to re-write my guide now, haha.

Vandslaux
1st September 2011, 9:01 PM
I know this isn't 5th gen, but does anyone know of a good HGSS RNG guide? I just found my SID, so I want to RNG on there. Couldn't find anywhere else to ask this.

Ballistic Buizel
1st September 2011, 10:27 PM
For all of us weird Mac people:

There is a new version of PPRNG, version 1.5. Upgrades include more specific search criteria for shinies and finding the initial PID frame, like RNGrepoter does. I'm going to give it a spin this weekend. But it looks like I'll have to re-write my guide now, haha.

FINALLY maybe my PPRNG will actually work XD Still having some issues unfortunately. And my sole windows computer, because Apple is the way to go, is down so I can't get RNG Reporter either. Phooey.

Nikator
1st September 2011, 11:38 PM
Thanks Kailassa, I looked into it but because it uses GTS you can't clone event pokemon. I don't want to lose my Flawless Victini, my celebi etc. I have a friend who will let me borrow his white cart and DS for the day anyway. But before I restart I should really start playing either Platinum or SoulSilver through - and abuse all the legendaries on those first xD.
Anyways I got these done today, I don't like shiny Scizor- but I like shiny Scyther and it always has trade value.


|http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/037.gif| http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/038.gif|
038 | Ninetales | Fire | Female | Shiny: Yes
Nature: Timid | Ability: Drought | Characteristic: Often dozes off.
Ember | Hidden Power: Ground | Flamethrower
31/31/31/30/30/31
|http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/246.gif|http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/247.gif|http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/248.gif|
248 | Tyranitar | Rock-Dark | Female | Shiny: Yes
Nature: Sassy | Ability: Sandstream | Characteristic: Somewhat Vain
Bite | Leer
31/31/31/31/31/31
|http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anim/123.gif|http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anim/212.gif|
212 | Scizor | Bug-Steel | Female | Shiny: No
Nature: Adamant | Ability: Technician | Characteristic: Likes to thrash about.
Vacuum Wave | Quick Attack | U-Turn | Leer
31/31/31/31/31/31
|http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/123.gif|http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/212.gif|
123 | Scyther | Bug-Flying | Male | Shiny: Yes
Nature: Adamant | Ability: Technician | Characteristic: Capable of taking hits.
Vacuum Wave | Quick Attack | U-Turn | Leer
31/31/31/31/31/31

jolteon135
2nd September 2011, 12:02 AM
I know this isn't 5th gen, but does anyone know of a good HGSS RNG guide? I just found my SID, so I want to RNG on there. Couldn't find anywhere else to ask this.
You can check out the smogon thread (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52180). Not really a guide but the first page is full of info and there are some links to video guides.

Kailassa
2nd September 2011, 12:47 AM
Thanks Kailassa, I looked into it but because it uses GTS you can't clone event pokemon. I don't want to lose my Flawless Victini, my celebi etc. I have a friend who will let me borrow his white cart and DS for the day anyway. But before I restart I should really start playing either Platinum or SoulSilver through - and abuse all the legendaries on those first xD.
Anyways I got these done today, I don't like shiny Scizor- but I like shiny Scyther and it always has trade value.

Congrats on those gorgeous mons you're making. Your post reminds me of the Smogon trade threads that used to make me drool enviously. It's fantastic to be able to create these ourselves now. - I love the red "ornary" Scizor myself.

If your Victini is a Liberty Garden one, it goes through GTS fine. It's just certain ribbons that block things. Not all of my legends brought over from Gen 4 will upload.

I've got the Gen 4 games, found an Ebay deal for all one guy's old Pokemon games, started but with none of the legends captured. One day I must learn to RNG on them. The prospect terrifies me. ;)

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
2nd September 2011, 6:30 AM
On temporary hiatus from any 5th gen RNGing until I figure out why the **** am I suddenly screwing up with finding and hitting my SSF/target PID frames with ease like before. I've never had trouble with hitting my target time, so anything on that matter is utter hogwash.

Seriously, I can't be having off-days for such a long period of time. I'm even staying as calm as possible, constantly finding other seeds and getting completely different eggs as an end result. Ridiculous.

NoDice
2nd September 2011, 6:37 AM
On temporary hiatus from any 5th gen RNGing until I figure out why the **** am I suddenly screwing up with finding and hitting my SSF/target PID frames with ease like before. I've never had trouble with hitting my target time, so anything on that matter is utter hogwash.

Seriously, I can't be having off-days for such a long period of time. I'm even staying as calm as possible, constantly finding other seeds and getting completely different eggs as an end result. Ridiculous.

Are you using PID%6 to coordinate your SSF and your eggs youre recieving? If not- Im sure it would help you figure out your dilema.

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
2nd September 2011, 6:38 AM
Never used or needed such a thing before, actually.

NoDice
2nd September 2011, 6:47 AM
Never used or needed such a thing before, actually.

Well, I havent attempted breeding RNG yet, but it was the only way I was able to get that Tornadus.

If its really not a program error, or your parameters, using it will help you figure out what eggs youre getting... but if for some reason youre not hitting your seeds at all, it must be something with your parameters?

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
2nd September 2011, 6:51 AM
Probably, I'm getting massive fluctuations lately. I find it a tad strange that the speed at which I choose to "turn off the c-gear" before I enter the game is actually having an effect on what I'm receiving.

This has just plain never happened before, and my parameters are the same always--with timer0 being C7F.

NoDice
2nd September 2011, 7:24 AM
Probably, I'm getting massive fluctuations lately. I find it a tad strange that the speed at which I choose to "turn off the c-gear" before I enter the game is actually having an effect on what I'm receiving.

This has just plain never happened before, and my parameters are the same always--with timer0 being C7F.

Hmm, that is strange... I ran into the same problem with RNGing Tornadus actually... I noticed that if I was in game and put the DS in sleep mode, then tried to restart and hit my seed again, the Timer 0 would fluctuate to the opposite and I would barely hit my seed. It usually was remedied by taking a break for a day and letting the day roll over. This could be completely baseless, but if it is Timer0 trolling, then Im at a loss.

Zak Attack XIII
2nd September 2011, 5:54 PM
Whats the deal with Smeargle and egg moves??
I'm RNGing and egg and I need it to have Heatwave(egg move)... which the Female poke I'm breeding already knows, but only males pass down egg moves..... you all know the deal with that.... anyway a few people on pokecheck's shout box told me to use a Smeargle.... anyone know how/will this help or what do they mean??

Too Funk to Druck
2nd September 2011, 5:56 PM
You have Smeargle sketch Heatwave, and then breed it with the Female Pokemon you're trying to breed, provided it's on the same egg group.

Zak Attack XIII
2nd September 2011, 6:17 PM
You have Smeargle sketch Heatwave, and then breed it with the Female Pokemon you're trying to breed, provided it's on the same egg group.

yes there the same egg group..
thanks!! = )

Nikator
2nd September 2011, 7:01 PM
For the people struggling with different DS's and games and getting annoyed with constantly having to recalibrate before RNGing. I had a thought, i'm not sure it would work but i'll throw it out there. Why not have different RNG reporters on one computer. its such a small program (few MB?) so surely if it was under say PC -> My Documents -> Rng reporter, and then within that there were five different folders of:
RNG Reporter Black DS 1
RNG Reporter Black DS 2
RNG Reporter Silver
RNG Reporter Platinum etc.
Is this feasible? Although it takes a bit of effort and room, it seems better than having to recalibrate all the time, no?
Also does anyone know where I can read how to abuse my TID/SID and learn to abuse in gen IV, i'm about to start my Soulsilver and figure I should for when I get to the legends!