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The Eleventh
2nd October 2011, 5:20 PM
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#149 Dragonite
OT: Cian | ID No.: 64231 | Gender: M
Nature: Adamant | Ability: Multiscale | Type: Dragon/Flying
Hatch Location: Dragonspiral Tower | Hidden Power: Dark 59
Moves: Outrage | Fire Punch | Waterfall | Extremespeed
IVs: 31/31/31/17/31/31

I'm also working on a Modest one at the moment, with 31 IVs in Special Attack instead of Attack.

-Raiga-
2nd October 2011, 5:36 PM
Dragonite only appears if you fish in the rippling spots, not in regular water.

Hmm, but you can't swim on the water there can you? If thats the case I'd rather just try the egg breeding and get a dratini.

I was just interested in catching a dragonite is all.


Also just to let you know if you didn't the PID frame won't start at 1

Which is why is said "after finding my starting frame". I know what you're getting at though, it seems like many people screw that up.

TDawg
2nd October 2011, 5:41 PM
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#149 Dragonite
OT: Cian | ID No.: 64231 | Gender: M
Nature: Adamant | Ability: Multiscale | Type: Dragon/Flying
Hatch Location: Dragonspiral Tower | Hidden Power: Dark 59
Moves: Outrage | Fire Punch | Waterfall | Extremespeed
IVs: 31/31/31/17/31/31

I'm also working on a Modest one at the moment, with 31 IVs in Special Attack instead of Attack.

Nice Job, Speed. That's a pokemon on my RNG to do list



Hmm, but you can't swim on the water there can you? If thats the case I'd rather just try the egg breeding and get a dratini.

I was just interested in catching a dragonite is all.


You can swim. On the right side of the bridge of the tower there is an entrance where you can swim. There's even some trainers to battle.

-Raiga-
2nd October 2011, 6:54 PM
You can swim. On the right side of the bridge of the tower there is an entrance where you can swim. There's even some trainers to battle.

Ah yes, I just checked it out after I asked, and I can't say I ever knew about it! I just never seen the header on the encounter table that says- fish, fish(bubbling), etc.

Even so, do you, or anyone else know how they are seperated beyond that. Like how slot four has basculin(m+f), dragonair, and dragonite?

TDawg
2nd October 2011, 7:17 PM
What exactly do you mean? Like what encounter slot it is?

The Eleventh
2nd October 2011, 7:24 PM
I know what -Raiga- means. I've had the same problem. Scroll down to the water-related encounters section on this page (http://www.eggmove.com/encounterwhite.html). At Striaton City, there are five encounter slots, but each contains four different Pokémon. How are we supposed to know which will appear in Slot 0, for example?

Oh... I think I've got it. Is the first Pokémon encountered by surfing, the second by surfing into a ripple, the third by fishing, and so on?

TDawg
2nd October 2011, 7:29 PM
Oh yeah Speed you got it. So it would be shaking fish spot encounter slot 4 for a Dragonite

Too Funk to Druck
2nd October 2011, 7:31 PM
I know what -Raiga- means. I've had the same problem. Scroll down to the water-related encounters section on this page (http://www.eggmove.com/encounterwhite.html). At Striaton City, there are five encounter slots, but each contains four different Pokémon. How are we supposed to know which will appear in Slot 0, for example?

Oh... I think I've got it. Is the first Pokémon encountered by surfing, the second by surfing into a ripple, the third by fishing, and so on?

Yes. That's what the header means.

The Eleventh
2nd October 2011, 7:51 PM
Right, well that would be have been very useful earlier on. xD

TDawg
3rd October 2011, 6:09 AM
What do I need to know about the wondercard RNG? I am finally going to RNG the Snarl Zoroark

dewey911p
3rd October 2011, 8:17 AM
What do I need to know about the wondercard RNG? I am finally going to RNG the Snarl Zoroark

after making it much harder then it was when i tried to RNG Zoroark, i can confidently say its pretty easy to RNG a wondercard. just select 5th Gen wonder card in the main RNG reporter, then under the capture tab select 5th gen wonder card again. choose the IV spread you want and find the seed. Its a simple PIDRNG (which means your min frame should be around 50) so have a chatot (or 2, i prefer 2) with a recorded chatter and then just RNG it like you would an egg. load the game at the right time and view the right number of chatot summaries. and that should be all there is to it :)

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
3rd October 2011, 8:43 PM
Been a while.



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#646 Kyurem|Modest|Pressure|31|18|31|30|31|30|Fire 70|
|Glaciate|Dragon Pulse|Imprison|Endeavor|
|Caught at Giant Chasm|
Note: This did not require a TID/SID abused seed.

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#123-212 Scyther|Adamant|Technician|31|31|31|28|31|31|
|Baton Pass|Swords Dance|Aerial Ace|Substitute|
|Hatched at Pinwheel Forest|

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#585-586 Deerling|Adamant|Chlorophyll|31|31|31|31|31|31|
|Tackle|Camouflage|
|Hatched at Rumination Field|

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#532-534 Timburr|Adamant|Guts|31|31|31|31|31|31|
|Drain Punch|Mach Punch|Bulk Up|Stone Edge|
|Hatched at Castelia City|

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#333-334 Swablu|Careful|Natural Cure|31|31|31|31|31|31|
|Peck|Growl|Roost|
|Hatched at Skyarrow Bridge|


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#626 Bouffalant|Adamant|Reckless|31|31|31|31|31|31|
|Pursuit|Leer|
|Hatched at Village Bridge|


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#607-609 Litwick|Timid|Flash Fire|31|27|30|30|30|30|Fight 70|
|Ember|Astonish|Heat Wave|
|Hatched at Celestial Tower|

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#629-630 Vullaby|Careful|Overcoat|31|31|31|28|31|31|
|Gust|Leer|Roost|
|Hatched at Skyarrow Bridge|

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#580-581 Ducklett|Timid|Big Pecks|31|30|31|30|31|31|Grass 70|
|Water Gun|Brine|Ice Beam|
|Hatched at Undella Bay|

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#566-567 Archen|Naive|Defeatist|31|30|30|31|31|31|Ice 70|
|Head Smash|Dragon Claw|Earthquake|Hone Claws|
|Hatched at Skyarrow Bridge|

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#390-392 Chimchar|Naive|Blaze|30|31|30|31|31|31|Ice 70|
|Thunderpunch|Encore|Fake Out|Fire Punch|
|Hatched at Desert Resort|

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#619-620 Mienshao|Naive|Regenerator|30|31|30|31|31|31|Ice 70|
|Knock Off|Baton Pass|Endure|Low Kick|
|Hatched at White Forest|

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#315-407 Roselia|Timid|Natural Cure|31|22|31|30|31|30|Fire 70|
|Absorb|Leaf Storm|Sleep Powder|Sludge Bomb|
|Hatched at Rumination Field|

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#63-65 Abra|Timid|Magic Guard|31|14|31|30|31|30|Fire 70|
|Guard Swap|Encore|Barrier|Substitute|
|Hatched at Route 7 (fail)|

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#155-157 Cyndaquil|Timid|Blaze|31|7|31|30|31|31|Electric 70|
|Leer|Extrasensory|Flamethrower|Hidden Power|
|Hatched at Giant Chasm|

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#522-523 Blitzle|Naive|Motor Drive|31|31|30|30|31|31|Grass 70|
|Screech|Double Kick|Me First|Endure|
|Hatched at Chargestone Cave|

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#524-526 Roggenrola|Brave|Sturdy|31|31|31|31|31|0|
|Tackle|Stone Edge|Explosion|Earthquake|
|Hatched at Chargestone Cave|


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#447-448 Riolu|Adamant|Inner Focus|31|31|31|21|31|31|
|Reversal|Screech|Copycat|Nasty Plot|
|Caught at Challenger's Cave|
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#375-376 Metang|Adamant|Clear Body|31|31|31|31|31|31|
|Iron Defense|Agility|Meteor Mash|Zen Headbutt|
|Caught at Giant Chasm|

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dewey911p
3rd October 2011, 9:06 PM
if RNG reporter says there is a keypress involved, that means you just hit the key after loading the gamer right? you dont need to hold it or anything, just hit it before the white Nintendo screen pops up right?

Winter02
3rd October 2011, 9:34 PM
if RNG reporter says there is a keypress involved, that means you just hit the key after loading the gamer right? you dont need to hold it or anything, just hit it before the white Nintendo screen pops up right?
No, you do need to hold it/them (not just press and then release) until the Nintendo logo appears.

dewey911p
3rd October 2011, 10:03 PM
No, you do need to hold it/them (not just press and then release) until the Nintendo logo appears.

o, so you load the game and immediately press and hold the buttons until the nintendo logo appears? ok, thanks :)

Valei
4th October 2011, 12:39 AM
Ok so I've managed to RNG Stationary legends, Wild pokemon, and wild shinys but I can't figure out how to RNG Duckletts on the bridge? I know its easier to breed but I really want to RNG a shiny Ducklett off the driftveil bridge. How would I go about doing this? do I save in front of spot or do I just hope one appears? I'm kind of lost. Any help would be appreciated!

Benefactor
4th October 2011, 12:47 AM
Ok so I've managed to RNG Stationary legends, Wild pokemon, and wild shinys but I can't figure out how to RNG Duckletts on the bridge? I know its easier to breed but I really want to RNG a shiny Ducklett off the driftveil bridge. How would I go about doing this? do I save in front of spot or do I just hope one appears? I'm kind of lost. Any help would be appreciated!

Trying to RNG a Ducklett is the same as trying to RNG a dust cloud; you can't predict where the spot will appear and you can't predict whether an item will show up instead. I don't know if there are random NPCs on that bridge, but that would only complicate things. The IV frame is the same as any other encounter, but the PID is very problematic. If you really want to go through with it, your best bet is to find a seed with a fairly high shiny frame (100+? Steps on the bridge don't advance the PID as fast as a cave so that helps at least) and pray that a spot appears.

TDawg
4th October 2011, 1:04 AM
Trying to RNG a Ducklett is the same as trying to RNG a dust cloud; you can't predict where the spot will appear and you can't predict whether an item will show up instead. I don't know if there are random NPCs on that bridge, but that would only complicate things. The IV frame is the same as any other encounter, but the PID is very problematic. If you really want to go through with it, your best bet is to find a seed with a fairly high shiny frame (100+? Steps on the bridge don't advance the PID as fast as a cave so that helps at least) and pray that a spot appears.

In other words... Just breed the damn thing.

-Raiga-
4th October 2011, 1:55 AM
Yes. That's what the header means.

I was thinking this may be the case, but I read it as Encounter slot 0 was normal surfing, encounter slot 1 was fishing, etc. Now I get it though, thanks guys!

And I finally got my sid, so hopefully I can move up to shinies when I get the time.

TDawg
4th October 2011, 6:13 AM
WTH. Why does everytime I try to RNG my EVENT11 Zoroark I get a Quirky Nature? Is it set to that or something? Because I will always get that nature no matter what. Some help please???

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
4th October 2011, 6:27 AM
WTH. Why does everytime I try to RNG my EVENT11 Zoroark I get a Quirky Nature? Is it set to that or something? Because I will always get that nature no matter what. Some help please???

Forced Quirky Nature.

Yep.

TDawg
4th October 2011, 6:34 AM
Forced Quirky Nature.

Yep.

Thanks for the info.

That really sucks. lol

kieshara
6th October 2011, 1:20 PM
i need help.... please PM me.....

dewey911p
6th October 2011, 7:35 PM
i'm trying to incorporate a keypress into my RNGing and its just not working out :/ i need to press the X button and i have tried several different varients. I tried hitting and holding the X button as soon as i hit A to load the game, i tried waiting until the main screen fades to white and then hitting and holding X and i tried hitting and hold X as soon as i hit A and then releasing and hitting and holding X again until the nintendo screen pops up. None of these methods has gotten me close to my seed. i have gotten consistent results (same nature, gender) but these results are no where near my target in my RNG reporter. I RNG eggs all the time and have no problem hitting my seed, but ive never tried hitting it with a keypress. Im not sure what is going wrong or exactly how the keypress works so can someone help me out? it might be possible that im just working with one of those annoying seeds that seems almost impossible to hit, but im just not sure :/

Kailassa
6th October 2011, 9:10 PM
Dewey, you are first getting to the clock and pressing A when it gets to 1 second before the time on your seed?

When you press A at the clock, just bounce your finger from the A straight onto the X. Do it fairly quickly but there's no need to panic. Keep X pressed down until you see the Nintendo logo, then release and you're done.

Later, when you get around to doing more key-presses just practice the fingering first so your fingers know how to move and you don't have to think about it. (Musicians call this muscle memory.)

dewey911p
6th October 2011, 10:31 PM
thanks i think the problem was that i marked it as an international breed (b/c im so use to my jp ditto and smeargle) but i forgot that the other pokemon was also japanese :/ i think that was the bigger problem fo rme :P

Valei
7th October 2011, 12:37 AM
Hey quick question. Can the Zorua that's given to you for showing the girl Celebii in Castelia be shiny? I want to RNG one from there if it can be shiny. Also what about the Zoroark from the lostlorn forest? Can that be shiny? I'm guess you would have to rng them like stationary legends right?

jolteon135
7th October 2011, 12:45 AM
Hey quick question. Can the Zorua that's given to you for showing the girl Celebii in Castelia be shiny? I want to RNG one from there if it can be shiny. Also what about the Zoroark from the lostlorn forest? Can that be shiny? I'm guess you would have to rng them like stationary legends right?

They can't be shiny. IIRC the Zorua is a gift and the Zoroark is a stationary.

Valei
7th October 2011, 12:53 AM
Thank you! Well I think I'm still going to RNG them for fun.

Alisa180
7th October 2011, 5:21 AM
Hey everyone! I'm starting to RNG again after a bit of a break, and I have to be reminded of something. In the shiny egg finder of RNG Reporter, does the Min/Max Frame refer to the PID frame?

dewey911p
7th October 2011, 5:28 AM
Hey everyone! I'm starting to RNG again after a bit of a break, and I have to be reminded of something. In the shiny egg finder of RNG Reporter, does the Min/Max Frame refer to the PID frame?

yup, IV for an egg is always 8 b/c of the NPCs on route 3 so the only thing you can manipulate is the PIDRNG frame

TDawg
7th October 2011, 6:20 AM
yup, IV for an egg is always 8 b/c of the NPCs on route 3 so the only thing you can manipulate is the PIDRNG frame

Actually receiving the egg makes your IV go up by 7 so you're always going to be at 8. The NPCs mess with your PIDRNG and that's why you usually need to find your Shifted starting frame before actually manipulating the PID.

NoDice
7th October 2011, 11:09 AM
Well, I finally started manipulating for my shiny Thundurus. Couple of notes for anyone interested in doing this-

PID advancement seems to be much more solid on White- Black flucuated way more and made my determining which PIDs I was hitting more difficult.

Having abused for my ID/SID combo.... I have to do way less PID advancements to reach my shiny frame... for Tornadus I had to do 500 and for Thundurus I will end up doing a little over 100 to get it... ID/SID abuse is the way to go.

Kailassa
7th October 2011, 11:47 AM
Well, I finally started manipulating for my shiny Thundurus. Couple of notes for anyone interested in doing this-

PID advancement seems to be much more solid on White- Black flucuated way more and made my determining which PIDs I was hitting more difficult.

Having abused for my ID/SID combo.... I have to do way less PID advancements to reach my shiny frame... for Tornadus I had to do 500 and for Thundurus I will end up doing a little over 100 to get it... ID/SID abuse is the way to go.

Good luck with that, Stud. I'm starting the same task tonight, but without RNGing my ID. I've spent a month searching for seeds instead. Found one today, 31/x/30/31/31/31, (HP Ice 70,) frame 8, (evolve a ninjask,) summer, nearest shiny frame 600, but it's dated 2005. I'm a bit nervous. How did you actually capture you Tornados? Did you use a Mean Looker?

So I'll only be dream worlding for a magic guard Abra on two accounts until this is done. ;)

dewey911p
7th October 2011, 6:40 PM
Actually receiving the egg makes your IV go up by 7 so you're always going to be at 8. The NPCs mess with your PIDRNG and that's why you usually need to find your Shifted starting frame before actually manipulating the PID.

o,wait, so NPCs alter the PIDRNG frame? i thought they affected the IV frame. does that mean its possible to IV RNG a wild pokemon (assuming you only care about the IVs) in an area where there are NPCs? actually, now that i think about it, that seems to make the most sense :/ but can someone clarify just to be sure

Winter02
7th October 2011, 6:43 PM
o,wait, so NPCs alter the PIDRNG frame? i thought they affected the IV frame. does that mean its possible to IV RNG a wild pokemon (assuming you only care about the IVs) in an area where there are NPCs? actually, now that i think about it, that seems to make the most sense :/ but can someone clarify just to be sure
NPCs do only alter the PID frame, they do not affect the IV frame. This means that your PID frame will be advanced by a number of steps when RNGing in an area with NPCs that advances it. A list of NPC-free areas can be found in the second post of this thread.

The Eleventh
8th October 2011, 6:34 PM
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#472 Gliscor
OT: Cian | ID No.: 64231 | Gender: M
Nature: Impish | Ability: Immunity | Type: Ground/Flying
Hatch Location: Relic Castle | Hidden Power: Dark 59
Moves: Swords Dance | Earthquake | Ice Fang | Protect
IVs: 31/31/31/17/31/31
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#047 Parasect
OT: Cian | ID No.: 64231 | Gender: M
Nature: Careful | Ability: Dry Skin | Type: Bug/Grass
Hatch Location: Wellspring Cave | Hidden Power: Electric 59
Moves: Spore | Substitute | Leech Seed | X-Scissor
IVs: 31/31/31/16/31/31

I did these two earlier today. They weren't difficult, as I had the needed parents and egg moves at hand.

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
8th October 2011, 6:38 PM
Beginning to see a lot of Gligar breeds.

Dragontamer1011
8th October 2011, 7:32 PM
I'm going to start RNGing perfect hatched Pokemon (Or near perfect), and being that I've never done it before, I had some questions I need ironed out.

1. How do I find seeds using my delay? Is it from the main calculator or do I need to use a tool? I tried finding some on HG (Which I gave up on, too hard) and I didn't find anything. From what I understand if you find a seed with a good spread, you need to find the time that seed is available. Problem is, all the times I found had 1401 delay O_o. I just don't get that. Would I have to create my own seed using the guide on Smogon?

2. What exactly does the time generator do? I thought you needed to find seeds and then the time that seed is available. If you don't have a seed with your spread, how can you find the time? So the time generator tells you what time that type of seed will be active on the time and date you specify? Yeh, I just don't get it, lol.

3. Since there is no delay in Pokemon Black/White does that mean it doesn't matter how long it takes me to get into the game after soft resetting? So what I understand is that the seconds it takes to get from a reset into the game is multiplied by a certain number that varies from person to person. This would be the delay number, right?

The Eleventh
8th October 2011, 8:12 PM
@Dragontamer1011, you should learn how to RNG wild Pokémon first. You don't seem to be very clued in yet, so I'd recommend reading the guides in the OP. Gen V RNGing is quite different to Gen IV.

jirachiuser1
8th October 2011, 8:14 PM
Quite different in the sense that it is much easier to learn.

Tarro57
8th October 2011, 10:10 PM
Beginning to see a lot of Gligar breeds.

Watch out people, soon enough, Gliscor will become uber. I call it, but before that day, I'm going to breed some...

TDawg
9th October 2011, 12:24 AM
o,wait, so NPCs alter the PIDRNG frame? i thought they affected the IV frame. does that mean its possible to IV RNG a wild pokemon (assuming you only care about the IVs) in an area where there are NPCs? actually, now that i think about it, that seems to make the most sense :/ but can someone clarify just to be sure

Yes it does mean that.

Ballistic Buizel
9th October 2011, 7:16 PM
I had taken a break from RNGing for a while, but now I'm back! Can someone tell me how to RNG for eggs?

Too Funk to Druck
9th October 2011, 7:28 PM
I had taken a break from RNGing for a while, but now I'm back! Can someone tell me how to RNG for eggs?

It'd probably be easier to just try it yourself using some guides first, since, iirc, you know the basics to RNGing. Then, if you don't understand something, come with specific questions.

Ballistic Buizel
10th October 2011, 4:05 AM
It'd probably be easier to just try it yourself using some guides first, since, iirc, you know the basics to RNGing. Then, if you don't understand something, come with specific questions.

I'll take a look at smogon for guides since I already know how to RNG regularly. I'll post more if I have trouble :)

Tarro57
10th October 2011, 1:31 PM
You should also watch bearsfan092drums (http://www.youtube.com/user/bearsfan092drums) on YouTube. He's from Smogon and has great video guides.

Finally, I finished my parameters and tested it by getting a 30/30/31/30/30/31, Poison (70), Clefairy. Not the best thing I could have RNGed, but I was just finding my parameters and I'm done for the day.

Ces
10th October 2011, 8:32 PM
Hey everyone, I just recently started RNGing, currently trying to get a shiny bold male Solosis, IVs don't matter. I'm having some trouble though, my PID Frame is 55, but my starting frame is always higher, leaving me with a negative amount of chatters, any idea what I'm doing wrong?

The Eleventh
10th October 2011, 8:35 PM
@Ces, make sure you click "Calculate Initial PIDRNG Frame" before clicking Generate in the main window. Also, if you're breeding or are in an area with wandering NPCs, they'll cause your calculated PIDRNG frame to increase, so you'll have to figure out how much they're increasing it first, and then decide on how many times to Chatter.

Ces
10th October 2011, 8:36 PM
@Ces, make sure you click "Calculate Initial PIDRNG Frame" before clicking Generate in the main window. Also, if you're breeding or are in an area with wandering NPCs, they'll cause your calculated PIDRNG frame to increase, so you'll have to figure out how much they're increasing it first, and then decide on how many times to Chatter.

Thanks, funny thing just happened. I actually just got a shiny with the wrong nature and ability, I guess I'm making progress though, or maybe it was just sheer dumb luck.

Edit: the starting frame is 47, according to the RNG reporter, does that mean I should do 55 - 47 = 8, so 8 chatters, less due to npcs moving?

Tarro57
10th October 2011, 8:40 PM
Do you think that if I were to make a team of Paralyfusion, that Rotom (Fan Form) with Air Slash, Thunderbolt, Confuse Ray, and Thunder Wave would be good? The Air Slash would be good for flinching as well. This is slightly RNG realted, I know it's not directly related, but I'm RNGing it, and most people RNG for Competitive Teams. And any other ideas of Pokemon I should RNG?

Ces
10th October 2011, 8:52 PM
Ok, I used a different seed for the shiny I got, and did 84 chatots, not counting in npcs moving, so do I randomly do less than 84 chatters until I get it right?

kaiser soze
10th October 2011, 9:22 PM
Do you think that if I were to make a team of Paralyfusion, that Rotom (Fan Form) with Air Slash, Thunderbolt, Confuse Ray, and Thunder Wave would be good? The Air Slash would be good for flinching as well. This is slightly RNG realted, I know it's not directly related, but I'm RNGing it, and most people RNG for Competitive Teams. And any other ideas of Pokemon I should RNG?
Togekiss is way better at that with Serene Grace.
Use Seed Inspector to find out which seed you it by comparing your results with the frames.

Tarro57
10th October 2011, 9:56 PM
Okay, thanks. So for the Togekisss, would I teach it Sweet Kiss, Thunder Wave, Air Slash, and something else like Aura Sphere? I'm going to stop talking about his after this post... Time to go to the Wi-Fi Room and look for a Togepi!

Kailassa
10th October 2011, 10:14 PM
Ok, I used a different seed for the shiny I got, and did 84 chatots, not counting in npcs moving, so do I randomly do less than 84 chatters until I get it right?

You're not giving any information, so how can you expect an answer?
What experience do you have in RNGing?
What is your nearest shiny frame (PID frame)?
What is your starting frame?
Have you tested your seed without chattering to make sure you are hitting it?

Most people find the NPCs around the daycare advance the PID by 2 - 6 frames, with 3 - 4 being the most common. It all depends how fast you are.

Ces
10th October 2011, 10:17 PM
You're not giving any information, so how can you expect an answer?
What experience do you have in RNGing?
What is your nearest shiny frame (PID frame)?
What is your starting frame?
Have you tested your seed without chattering to make sure you are hitting it?

Most people find the NPCs around the daycare advance the PID by 2 - 6 frames, with 3 - 4 being the most common. It all depends how fast you are.

1. None really, just a lot of watching videos and reading guides.
2. 151 is what I chose.
3. 77
4. I'll check again.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

Tarro57
10th October 2011, 11:49 PM
I hatched a Rotom (Shiny) Earlier today before kaiser told me about the Togekiss, instead of Rotom. Just wanted to post it since I RNGed it, I will now start making seeds in Word Processing Class in my free time since I bring my Flash Drive! Then transfer them to Excel Documents.

Kailassa
10th October 2011, 11:49 PM
1. None really, just a lot of watching videos and reading guides.
2. 151 is what I chose.
3. 77
4. I'll check again.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

Are you using the 5th gen shiny egg finder or searching for gift pokemon in Time Finder?

I'm sceptical that you have a starting frame of 77. I've never seen one in the 70s, and I've collected 100s of seeds. How did you arrive at this figure?

If you are correct, try doing 68 - 72 chatters, and you should get the shiny you're after if you are consistent with all your timing. With my first shiny egg RNG I wasn't, and every new try the NPCs would advance the frame a little less than they had the try before, so beware of that if you're getting faster as you go.

Do you know you must record a new chatter after getting the chatots out of your computer for them to work?

Ces
11th October 2011, 12:05 AM
Are you using the 5th gen shiny egg finder or searching for gift pokemon in Time Finder?

I'm sceptical that you have a starting frame of 77. I've never seen one in the 70s, and I've collected 100s of seeds. How did you arrive at this figure?

If you are correct, try doing 68 - 72 chatters, and you should get the shiny you're after if you are consistent with all your timing. With my first shiny egg RNG I wasn't, and every new try the NPCs would advance the frame a little less than they had the try before, so beware of that if you're getting faster as you go.

Do you know you must record a new chatter after getting the chatots out of your computer for them to work?

I decided to restart, as I made a mistake last time. I think I may have it this time though, with a PID frame of 134 and starting from a 54. I'm just not sure if I'm hitting the seeds correctly.

Edit: OK, I think I'm just gonna start all over again.

I thought I knew what I was doing, apparently not.

Kailassa
11th October 2011, 12:53 AM
I decided to restart, as I made a mistake last time. I think I may have it this time though, with a PID frame of 134 and starting from a 54. I'm just not sure if I'm hitting the seeds correctly.

Edit: OK, I think I'm just gonna start all over again.

I thought I knew what I was doing, apparently not.

I think that's a stage everyone goes through when first trying to translate what they think they've learned into actions.

Just keep at it and you'll get there. Or, if you find you're banging your head against a brick wall, try working up to this by doing easier RNGs first. I started by RNGing non-shiny perfect Dittos for breeding, and then moved up to shiny pokemon, then did my shiny standing legends. Then breeding perfect shinies wasn't so hard.

Ces
11th October 2011, 2:59 AM
I think that's a stage everyone goes through when first trying to translate what they think they've learned into actions.

Just keep at it and you'll get there. Or, if you find you're banging your head against a brick wall, try working up to this by doing easier RNGs first. I started by RNGing non-shiny perfect Dittos for breeding, and then moved up to shiny pokemon, then did my shiny standing legends. Then breeding perfect shinies wasn't so hard.

Yeah, thanks for the help. I should probably start with something easier, I just wanted a shiny solosis so badly. Oh well, I'll probably have a better chance to get it if I learn more about RNGing.

TDawg
11th October 2011, 4:40 AM
Never rush RNGing. It will only make it harder and more frustrating. Believe me... lol

kaiser soze
11th October 2011, 4:46 AM
@#$%^&*()(*&^%$#@!#$%^&*()(*&^%$#%^&* my Timer0 be trolling me.

TDawg
11th October 2011, 7:29 AM
@#$%^&*()(*&^%$#@!#$%^&*()(*&^%$#%^&* my Timer0 be trolling me.

Lol I am sorry to hear that Kaiser! Well this gal was trolling me as well but I got her anyways in the end. It's hard to RNG with a baby sister trying to mess with my ds.


http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/453.gifhttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/454.gif
#453 Croagunk | http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/type/poison.gifhttp://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/type/fighting.gif | Female | http://serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/pokeball.png
Nature: Jolly | Ability: Dry Skin | Characteristic: Somewhat vain.
Date: 10/23/2011 | Hatched: Skyarrow Bridge | Met at Lvl. 1
IVs: 31/31/31/x/31/31 | Egg Move(s): Drain Punch

Ces
11th October 2011, 5:26 PM
Hey guys, I was wondering if I could get some help. I'm a beginner at RNG and I'm trying to hatch a shiny solosis. I've watched many videos and did a few successful RNGs of Terrakion (hitting the seed correctly, getting the ivs I wanted). Here are my two screens of RNGReporter:

http://imageshack.us/f/510/rngsolosis1.png/
http://imageshack.us/f/163/rngsolosis2.png/

The last pokemon I hatched was a female bold solosis with Magic guard (ability 2). The closest female ability 1 bold frame being frame 91, where frames 87,85, and 83 are all what I'm aiming for (shinies with magic guard). Do I just go back 4 chatters to get to 87? Or did I possibly make a big error earlier?

Edit: Do the cottonee and mincinno in the daycare count as wandering NPCs?

Arceusgamer14
11th October 2011, 6:33 PM
I don't know if I'm on the right thread, but I'm trying to breed a Modest Stunfisk and I'm trying to find the right EV raising band to get the right Hidden Power type. What do I have to do and what EV raising band do I have to use?

The Eleventh
11th October 2011, 6:47 PM
I don't know if I'm on the right thread, but I'm trying to breed a Modest Stunfisk and I'm trying to find the right EV raising band to get the right Hidden Power type. What do I have to do and what EV raising band do I have to use?
You should really ask in the Help thread.

Anyway, that's not how Hidden Power works. Certain IV spreads give certain types and powers, so you'll have to use a calculator (such as this (http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/Calculators/HiddenPower.aspx)) to find a spread. For example, if you wanted a Hidden Power Ice 70 spread, you could go for 31/30/30/31/31/31. Hidden Power breeding is near-impossible without the use of RNGing.

kaiser soze
11th October 2011, 7:01 PM
Furthermore, Hidden Power varies in strength. Just because the dude in the pokemon center says you have HP Ice doesn't mean it has 70 base power.

Arceusgamer14
11th October 2011, 7:11 PM
You should really ask in the Help thread.

Anyway, that's not how Hidden Power works. Certain IV spreads give certain types and powers, so you'll have to use a calculator (such as this (http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/Calculators/HiddenPower.aspx)) to find a spread. For example, if you wanted a Hidden Power Ice 70 spread, you could go for 31/30/30/31/31/31. Hidden Power breeding is near-impossible without the use of RNGing.

My mistake. But thanks!

The Eleventh
11th October 2011, 7:13 PM
@Ces, you should use the Capture tab window. The 4th/5th Gen one could work fine, but I don't have experience with it. Just make sure to set up the Capture tab window as in this screenshot (http://i.imgur.com/nXNXO.png) (Frame 8, etc.). Find a seed, and copy it into the main window. Then do as you normally do. If you want to get a shiny Solosis, you'll have to advance the PIDRNG to a PIDRNG frame with !!! next to it (tick Shiny Only).

Ces
11th October 2011, 7:14 PM
Do you guys often do the same amount of chatters, to see if you've hit your seed? If so, how often? At least I think that's what Bearsfan said in his videos, that you can check your seed by doing the same amount of chatters, and if the pokemon is consistent, you're hitting your seed.

Edit: @ SpeedSuicine thanks for the tip, does the timer0 column matter? I'm just wondering because I believe I've had trouble with my timer0 before, and the nearby shiny frame is your target frame right?

Edit: I took a seed that had what I was looking for and copied it into the seed(hex) bar, clicked shiny only but the lowest frame for a shiny is 5000+. Do I just have to keep looking at seeds?

The Eleventh
11th October 2011, 7:24 PM
Do you guys often do the same amount of chatters, to see if you've hit your seed? If so, how often? At least I think that's what Bearsfan said in his videos, that you can check your seed by doing the same amount of chatters, and if the pokemon is consistent, you're hitting your seed.
No, I don't. I just do the estimated amount of Chatters, and see if what I hatched matches up with RNG Reporter's main window. If it doesn't, then I know I haven't hit my seed. If I'm two or three away from my target, then I do two or three more/less Chatters.


Edit: @ SpeedSuicine thanks for the tip, does the timer0 column matter? I'm just wondering because I believe I've had trouble with my timer0 before, and the nearby shiny frame is your target frame right?
I'm not certain about the timer0 column, but as for the nearby shiny frame, you shouldn't tick that. Tick Shiny Only in the main window, once you've found a seed (only input date, method, encounter type, IV frame, IVs, and IDs in the Seed Finder window).

Ces
11th October 2011, 7:30 PM
No, I don't. I just do the estimated amount of Chatters, and see if what I hatched matches up with RNG Reporter's main window. If it doesn't, then I know I haven't hit my seed. If I'm two or three away from my target, then I do two or three more/less Chatters.


I'm not certain about the timer0 column, but as for the nearby shiny frame, you shouldn't tick that. Tick Shiny Only in the main window, once you've found a seed (only input date, method, encounter type, IV frame, IVs, and IDs in the Seed Finder window).

Ok thanks again, one last question, do I just keep looking at seeds to find a shiny with the desired attributes and a low frame? As all the frames I'm getting are 1000+

Kailassa
11th October 2011, 9:18 PM
Do you guys often do the same amount of chatters, to see if you've hit your seed? If so, how often? At least I think that's what Bearsfan said in his videos, that you can check your seed by doing the same amount of chatters, and if the pokemon is consistent, you're hitting your seed.

Edit: @ SpeedSuicine thanks for the tip, does the timer0 column matter? I'm just wondering because I believe I've had trouble with my timer0 before, and the nearby shiny frame is your target frame right?

Edit: I took a seed that had what I was looking for and copied it into the seed(hex) bar, clicked shiny only but the lowest frame for a shiny is 5000+. Do I just have to keep looking at seeds?

You were doing ~31 chatters when using the set up you posted? That should have landed you near frame 80.

There are a few different ways one can do things. When breeding I use the shiny egg finder, set up just as you had it, except I use parents with good IVs and make sure I get a shiny egg with the exact IVs I'm after. Breeding is useful because it gives you access to egg moves.

So I set up the IVs and get a perfect, (or hidden power 70) shiny pokemon. Perhaps you'll try that when you've had more practice.

You should be able to get a shiny egg of the nature and ability you want without too many chatters, (you are using Chatots with a custom chatter?) if you are using parents from games with different languages to each other. I see you had it set to BW International.

The Timer0 column matters more for some games than for others. When RNGing in Black, like most people, I can ignore it, because I almost always get the same Timer0. When RNGing in White however, (also a legit game cartridge,) I get 50% of one timer value, and 50% of another. So I search for both at once, work out which value my game is giving when I want to RNG, and use seeds for that value until it flips. - A bit awkward, but I've got used to it.

TDawg
11th October 2011, 11:10 PM
Ok thanks again, one last question, do I just keep looking at seeds to find a shiny with the desired attributes and a low frame? As all the frames I'm getting are 1000+

Just make the max frame like 200 so you don't see all of those big seeds.

Ces
11th October 2011, 11:33 PM
Ugh, I'm still having quite a bit of trouble. I think I should practice more, as shininess seems to be a bit tough, but what should I practice? Getting a stationary pokemon to shine? Also how do you know which Timer0 your game is giving you?

TDawg
11th October 2011, 11:35 PM
Stationaries are always a good place to start. And you should've found out when you set your DS parameters up. But you can also see it under time finder and under the tab 5th Gen DS parameters setup.

Ces
11th October 2011, 11:37 PM
Stationaries are always a good place to start. And you should've found out when you set your DS parameters up. But you can also see it under time finder and under the tab 5th Gen DS parameters setup.

I know, but I have two different timer0s. One for min (C60) and max (CA0)

Edit: Here's my current setup:

http://imageshack.us/f/841/rng1.png/
http://imageshack.us/f/812/rng2.png/

I set the date to what's listed and press play a second before the target time. I enter the game, letting the season screen fade, pressing x as it does, then chatter 86-42 time = 44 times. Then leave the menus and quickly talk to the daycare man for the egg. Then I hatch the egg, and sometimes it's close to the frame I want, and sometimes it's way off (missed seed I guess). When it's close let's say I hatch a pokemon from frame 80, then I have to do 6 more chatters next time. I think this is all right, did I miss anything?

Btw sorry for all the questions, you all have been a great help though.

kaiser soze
12th October 2011, 12:36 AM
I think you got it right. Keep in mind Route 3's NPCs advance the frame you start at when you begin Chalot flipping.

Ces
12th October 2011, 1:25 AM
For some reason it isn't working, could it possibly be the timer0s fluctuating?

Tarro57
12th October 2011, 1:38 AM
Try your parameters again, and make sure you start the game at the perfect time. I also click A once the season screen comes up then spam A. If I were you, I'd RNG a ton of Stationaries/Wild Pokemon for IVs only to get into that. Then RNG for shiny Statioaries, then Wild Pokemon, then eggs. Sorry if I might have confused you...

Ces
12th October 2011, 1:50 AM
Try your parameters again, and make sure you start the game at the perfect time. I also click A once the season screen comes up then spam A. If I were you, I'd RNG a ton of Stationaries/Wild Pokemon for IVs only to get into that. Then RNG for shiny Statioaries, then Wild Pokemon, then eggs. Sorry if I might have confused you...

Oh no, you didn't. Thanks for the tip. I should probably start stationaries for practice and work my way up to shiny eggs.

cannibaleyes
12th October 2011, 1:56 AM
Oh no, you didn't. Thanks for the tip. I should probably start stationaries for practice and work my way up to shiny eggs.
Yup, stationaries would probably be a good starting point, especially ones without NPCs (do any of them have NPCs? I forget..)

I always find it humorous that I jumped right into egg IVs in Platinum as my first RNG. After that, pretty much everything else is fairly easy for me now. ...So, yeah... It's not impossible to start off with the hard stuff, just not what most sane people do. XD

Ces
12th October 2011, 2:15 AM
Yup, stationaries would probably be a good starting point, especially ones without NPCs (do any of them have NPCs? I forget..)

I always find it humorous that I jumped right into egg IVs in Platinum as my first RNG. After that, pretty much everything else is fairly easy for me now. ...So, yeah... It's not impossible to start off with the hard stuff, just not what most sane people do. XD

Yeah, I'm thinking about trying terrakion, BUT I think I found out my problem. I manually put in the timer0s because I thought you were supposed to put in the min/max timer0s from parameter screen, but apparently, when I checked parameters again, the timer0 is C7C, which the program put into the min/max columns. Anyways, I doubt that makes any sense, but it gives me hope.

Tarro57
12th October 2011, 2:20 AM
Yup, stationaries would probably be a good starting point, especially ones without NPCs (do any of them have NPCs? I forget..)

I always find it humorous that I jumped right into egg IVs in Platinum as my first RNG. After that, pretty much everything else is fairly easy for me now. ...So, yeah... It's not impossible to start off with the hard stuff, just not what most sane people do. XD

Holy Cow Baloney! I haven't seen you for ages! And yes, some do have NPCs, the Darmanitans and Musharna(s). There might be more but I don't want to think much...

Ces
12th October 2011, 2:28 AM
YAY! I got it! I don't really care much about the IVs, but I got a shiny bold Solosis with Magic Guard. Thanks so much, guys! Trust me, I'll be back soon for more RNGing!

Tarro57
12th October 2011, 2:31 AM
See, you can do anything once you try, I'm going after Hex/Penta flawless Togepi soon (Thanks to Benefactor who kindly donated a Togepi to me). Will put it on a Parafusion team! Good job Ces!

cannibaleyes
12th October 2011, 2:49 AM
YAY! I got it! I don't really care much about the IVs, but I got a shiny bold Solosis with Magic Guard. Thanks so much, guys! Trust me, I'll be back soon for more RNGing!
Congrats! Glad to hear that you managed to RNG something. ^__^
Honestly though, if you're RNGing you might as well go for flawless since it's pretty much just as easy to RNG a flawless one as it is to RNG a non-flawless one. ;)

TDawg
12th October 2011, 4:29 AM
I am going to try to cram a bunch of RNGs tonight for the Autumn Friendly! Hopefully I am even able to sign up! lol

Winter02
12th October 2011, 2:35 PM
Holy Cow Baloney! I haven't seen you for ages! And yes, some do have NPCs, the Darmanitans and Musharna(s). There might be more but I don't want to think much...
I have heard that Landorus also has NPCs in its area. Can't confirm that though as Landorus is the only legendary I haven't caught yet. But a syncher should make it easier to get the right nature at least.


I am going to try to cram a bunch of RNGs tonight for the Autumn Friendly! Hopefully I am even able to sign up! lol
Best of luck! I'll skip the tournament though, don't think I will have time for it.

Ces
12th October 2011, 6:23 PM
Congrats! Glad to hear that you managed to RNG something. ^__^
Honestly though, if you're RNGing you might as well go for flawless since it's pretty much just as easy to RNG a flawless one as it is to RNG a non-flawless one. ;)

I would love to, but I'm having some trouble, unfortunately.

Edit: Nvm

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/67/Spr_5b_559_s.png
#559 Scraggy - Dark/Fighting - Male - Pokeball
Nature: Jolly - Ability: Moxie - Characteristic - Somewhat Vain
Date: 10/1/2011 - Hatched: Route 3 - Met at lvl. 1
IVs: 31/31/31/x/31/x - Egg Move(s): Dragon Dance, Ice Punch

Tried to copy your recent rng images, Tdawg, but failed. Teach me sometime? :D

Anyways, it was so close, for some reason I didn't get 31 in speed, but I'm OK with it.

TDawg
12th October 2011, 9:50 PM
With what??

Tarro57
12th October 2011, 9:53 PM
^
That's what I thought when I looked at that as well. It's just the same thing, just takes longer to get the seed.

Ces
12th October 2011, 9:56 PM
It was me making math errors, lmao. Just look at what I edited.

TDawg
12th October 2011, 10:12 PM
I would love to, but I'm having some trouble, unfortunately.

Edit: Nvm

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/67/Spr_5b_559_s.png
#559 Scraggy - Dark/Fighting - Male - Pokeball
Nature: Jolly - Ability: Moxie - Characteristic - Somewhat Vain
Date: 10/1/2011 - Hatched: Route 3 - Met at lvl. 1
IVs: 31/31/31/x/31/x - Egg Move(s): Dragon Dance, Ice Punch

Tried to copy your recent rng images, Tdawg, but failed. Teach me sometime? :D

Anyways, it was so close, for some reason I didn't get 31 in speed, but I'm OK with it.

Congrats and lol no problem :D

Tarro57
12th October 2011, 10:15 PM
Good Job! Now that you've got this down, time for you do some Perfect, Flawless (31/31/31/31/31/31) Seeds, those are fun!

TDawg
12th October 2011, 10:29 PM
Yeah so rewarding. Just got my HP Ice Tynamo for AF.


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#602 Tynamo | http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/type/electric.gif | Male | http://serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/quickball.png
Nature: Modest | Ability: Levitate | Characteristic: Often dozes off.
Date: 10/23/2011 | Caught: Chargestone Cave | Met at Lvl. 27
IVs: 31/14/30/31/31/31 | Egg Move(s): None

Tarro57
12th October 2011, 11:02 PM
Why didn't you have him have perfect IVs in Attack? Eelektross is a Physical Attacker more than a Special Attacker...

Ces
13th October 2011, 1:22 AM
Ok, so I'm pretty good at rnging shinies and IVs, but how do I RNG the HP type?

drothagreat0ne
13th October 2011, 1:51 AM
TDawg, you're great at this. I've been trying all day and it's going over my head. I'm going to keep trying till I get it. Also, good luck in the AF.

TDawg
13th October 2011, 4:02 AM
Why didn't you have him have perfect IVs in Attack? Eelektross is a Physical Attacker more than a Special Attacker...

None of the moves he will know are going to be physical. I know he's a better physical threat but a 10 point stat drop for a better move pool is okay with me. lol


TDawg, you're great at this. I've been trying all day and it's going over my head. I'm going to keep trying till I get it. Also, good luck in the AF.

Thanks much!^^ don't worry practice makes perfect ;)

EDIT:

Ok, so I'm pretty good at rnging shinies and IVs, but how do I RNG the HP type?
Certain IVs will give you a certain HP. Use ->this (http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/Calculators/HiddenPower.aspx)<- to get find what you want.

dewey911p
13th October 2011, 4:36 AM
Certain IVs will give you a certain HP. Use ->this (http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/Calculators/HiddenPower.aspx)<- to get find what you want.

this website gives the IV spreads that will get you a max HP in each type:
http://www.marriland.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=137172

and this website is a calculator so that if you have different stats you can figure out the power and type (say you want a 31/x/x/31/31/31/31 pokemon with HP fighting, play around with the numbers and this should help ;))
http://www.psypokes.com/dex/hp.php

TDawg
13th October 2011, 4:44 AM
this website gives the IV spreads that will get you a max HP in each type:
http://www.marriland.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=137172

and this website is a calculator so that if you have different stats you can figure out the power and type (say you want a 31/x/x/31/31/31/31 pokemon with HP fighting, play around with the numbers and this should help ;))
http://www.psypokes.com/dex/hp.php

Yes but Metalkids HP cal will show you every IV spread possible for each HP right there. With the calc you just put in the type and power and it will show all the spreads possible.

Ces
13th October 2011, 4:10 PM
Unfortunately, I'm having trouble with IVs. I put in the IVs that I want into the IV slots, generate a list of seeds, find a seed where the shiny frame is pretty low, but then I get the IVs off by like 1. For example, I hatched a shiny Larvesta yesterday, with 31 in HP, SpA, and Sp. Def, which threw off the HP I was aiming for (I wanted 30 in SpD). Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

The Eleventh
13th October 2011, 7:03 PM
@Ces, don't forget that the offspring inherits three IVs from its parents. Make sure that you're looking at the IV columns in the main window of RNG Reporter when searching for a shiny PIDRNG frame. You'll need one good parent, at least, since some IVs are inherited.

Ces
13th October 2011, 7:34 PM
@Ces, don't forget that the offspring inherits three IVs from its parents. Make sure that you're looking at the IV columns in the main window of RNG Reporter when searching for a shiny PIDRNG frame. You'll need one good parent, at least, since some IVs are inherited.

ah, thanks.

Edit:

@ SpeedSuicine, for hatching shiny pokemon, do you personally use the shiny egg tab or the capture tab, I forget which one I used lol and for the main tab I should use breeding (b/w) international (one of my pokemon is Japanese), right?

The Eleventh
13th October 2011, 7:47 PM
@ SpeedSuicine, for hatching shiny pokemon, do you personally use the shiny egg tab or the capture tab, I forget which one I used lol and for the main tab I should use breeding (b/w) international (one of my pokemon is Japanese), right?
Use the Capture tab. Set the min/max frame boxes both to eight, just as in that screenshot in the last post of page 66. If you have two parents of different nationalities, then, yes, go for international.

Ces
13th October 2011, 7:56 PM
Thanks, you're a lifesaver.

Vandslaux
14th October 2011, 3:33 AM
Is it possible to C-Gear RNG with broken L+R buttons? I'm having the urge to RNG the Larvesta egg.

FYI, I only have a DSi.

Ces
14th October 2011, 6:09 AM
Nvm, found my problem.

TDawg
14th October 2011, 6:41 AM
Is it possible to C-Gear RNG with broken L+R buttons? I'm having the urge to RNG the Larvesta egg.

FYI, I only have a DSi.

Pretty sure you can't because it requires soft resetting

jellywolffy
14th October 2011, 11:05 AM
What is Mac address and how do I find one?

Tarro57
14th October 2011, 1:43 PM
What is Mac address and how do I find one?

The Mac Address is a code every Pokemon Black and White games have, you'll find it by having the C-Gear on, click on Wi-Fi on the C-Gear, click the little wrench button on the lower left hand part of the screen, click on options, click on sytem information, your Mac Address is that first code you see, you have now learned how to find a Mac Address!

jellywolffy
14th October 2011, 1:45 PM
Ok, maybe I can start RNG these few day, after I finish EV training.

Tarro57
14th October 2011, 1:53 PM
Okay, I wish you best of luck whenyou start to RNG!

EmiiLava
14th October 2011, 8:27 PM
Hi, can anyone tell me for standard seed RNg what nearby shiny means or if it matters?

Tarro57
14th October 2011, 8:44 PM
Hi, can anyone tell me for standard seed RNg what nearby shiny means or if it matters?

It only matters if you're trying to get a shiny Pokemon. I works by you getting your seed, finding your Starting frame, then doing that many PID advancements.

EmiiLava
14th October 2011, 8:51 PM
It only matters if you're trying to get a shiny Pokemon. I works by you getting your seed, finding your Starting frame, then doing that many PID advancements.

i'm trying to get a shiny and my starting frame is 45 my shiny is on frame 87, so how many advancement do i need?

Tarro57
14th October 2011, 9:11 PM
Take your Frame and subtract your starting frame from it to get your number number of advancements needed.

jellywolffy
15th October 2011, 10:13 AM
I got a 4 31s golbat for my first RNG. But I cant use the egg one, it kept appearing an errror and force me to close the window.

Vandslaux
15th October 2011, 7:31 PM
So basically, standard RNGing on DSi's and 3DSes is never going to happen, most likely?

The Eleventh
15th October 2011, 8:13 PM
So basically, standard RNGing on DSi's and 3DSes is never going to happen, most likely?
That's basically it. I remember reading that unless a considerable amount of money is donated for research, then it's not a realisable feat.

TDawg
15th October 2011, 8:20 PM
Yeah I heard it was a couple grand worth of research. SO if you have the money go right ahead and donate to em ^^ lol

Tarro57
15th October 2011, 8:27 PM
Just RNGed this, but for some reason the nature wans't right, maybe it had to be synchronized...:


http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/546.gifhttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/547.gif
NN: Too Fast? OT: Tarro Caught: 10/01/11, Pinwheel Forset, Lv. 14
IVs: 31/9/31/31/31/31 Nature: Hasty Ability: Infiltrator

I'll get a synchronizer and try again.

EDIT: Naw, I won't get a Sychronizer, I don't need one, I'm good with Hasty.

Ces
15th October 2011, 9:20 PM
After my few successes with RNGing shiny eggs, I'm now having a few problems with getting shinies. I'll post again later with screenshots, as I don't know what the problem is.

Tarro57
15th October 2011, 9:47 PM
Hey, your Timer0 could be fuctuating, that or your just trying to hit a slightly complicated seed like the rest of us have done.

Ces
15th October 2011, 10:04 PM
What exactly do I do if it's fluctuating? In the parameters tab, it says the max and min are both C7C.

Tarro57
15th October 2011, 10:06 PM
Do your parameters again.

UGH! I'm trying to find a seed and it's already tooken about 30 min. I know that's not a lot compared to what some people look for, but, ugh.

Ces
15th October 2011, 10:17 PM
Ok, thanks! I got a different timer0 this time.

Edit: How often should I find my parameters? Everytime I want to RNG?

Tarro57
15th October 2011, 10:24 PM
OHNONONONO! Only when your Timer0 might be fluctuating is when you check parameters.

EDIT: Victory! Found a seed, will be back with an RNG soon!

jolteon135
16th October 2011, 12:57 AM
Is it possible to C-Gear RNG with broken L+R buttons? I'm having the urge to RNG the Larvesta egg.

FYI, I only have a DSi.
Yes it's possible to RNG without soft resetting. The delay timer starts somewhere in that white loading screen before "The Pokemon Company" comes on. All you have to do is set the clock and start the timer at the same time (guides show/explain that). Turn off/on but don't start up the game cartridge. Instead you're going to wait at the DS main menu and press A to start up the cartridge when the first timer hits 0. Then get into the game world before the second timer hits 0 (don't turn on the c-gear from the continue screen). Once you're in game tap the c-gear button and press "Yes" when the second timer hits 0.

Guides show/explain most of that. The only thing that you have to do different from the guides is that you're not going to start up the game cartridge until the first timer hits 0.


I got a 4 31s golbat for my first RNG. But I cant use the egg one, it kept appearing an errror and force me to close the window.
You're using the shiny egg tab? Your ID/SID is probably 0. You need to change it from the main window (not the time finder) then click generate and close/reopen RNG reporter. When you open the time finder your ID/SID should already be there.

Ces
16th October 2011, 1:30 AM
Ugh, my timer0 keeps fluctuating on me.

jolteon135
16th October 2011, 2:14 AM
Ugh, my timer0 keeps fluctuating on me.

There's no way to control that. Simply choose the timer0 value that you get most often and stick with it (at least that works for me).

Are you doing eggs? If yes it could just be NPCs screwing you up. The only way to know for sure if it's a timer0 problem is to fly to victory road after you get the egg and catch something immediately. The IVs of the Pokemon you catch should match Frame 14 or 14+Z where Z is the number of Pokemon in your party (including the egg).

P.S. Check IV Frames in the main window using Method 5 (Standard Seed) / Gift Pokemon. This might help (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYCr1U-Cxpg&feature=mfu_channel&list=UL)

EDIT:Forgot to say, if the IVs of the Pokemon you catch don't match Frame 14 or 14+Z it's probably a timer0 problem or you messed up the keypresses.

Ces
16th October 2011, 2:21 AM
There's no way to control that. Simply choose the timer0 value that you get most often and stick with it (at least that works for me).

Are you doing eggs? If yes it could just be NPCs screwing you up. The only way to know for sure if it's a timer0 problem is to fly to victory road after you get the egg and catch something immediately. The IVs of the Pokemon you catch should match Frame 14 or 14+Z where Z is the number of Pokemon in your party (including the egg).

P.S. Check IV Frames in the main window using Method 5 (Standard Seed) / Gift Pokemon. This might help (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYCr1U-Cxpg&feature=mfu_channel&list=UL)

Thanks, I'm doing eggs, I'll stick at it for a bit to make sure it's not the NPCs.

I found my problem and hatched a shiny gligar with Immunity. The IVs are poor, as I was expecting it to be another non-shiny, I might hatch another one sometime later with better IVs.

Just hatched:

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/76/Spr_5b_592_m_s.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/68/Spr_5b_593_m_s.png

#592 - Frillish - Water/Ghost - Male
Bold - Somewhat vain - Water Absorb - Route 3 - Pokeball

31/x/31/31/31/31

dewey911p
17th October 2011, 7:02 AM
Yes it's possible to RNG without soft resetting. The delay timer starts somewhere in that white loading screen before "The Pokemon Company" comes on. All you have to do is set the clock and start the timer at the same time (guides show/explain that). Turn off/on but don't start up the game cartridge. Instead you're going to wait at the DS main menu and press A to start up the cartridge when the first timer hits 0. Then get into the game world before the second timer hits 0 (don't turn on the c-gear from the continue screen). Once you're in game tap the c-gear button and press "Yes" when the second timer hits 0.


just for further clarification, for C-Gear manipulation with Entree forest pokemon, if you load the game from the main menu when the first timer on Eon timer hits 0 u dont need to soft reset your game at all?

also, im going to try and RNG a wild shiny pokemon and this will be my first one (i usually do eggs but i have RNGed one wild pokemon before, but not shiny) im trying to find an IV frame of 1 b/c i want to RNG in an area that has some NPCs. the problem im having is that the nearest shiny frame is at about 50000 or so. is there any way to decrease this number (aside from finding a different seed b/c thats giving me trouble too) or is there away to advance the PIDRNG frame by about 1000 or so (or anything more then the 1 that viewing chatot's summary advances it) Thanks for any advice, you guys are the greatest XD

The Eleventh
17th October 2011, 6:13 PM
also, im going to try and RNG a wild shiny pokemon and this will be my first one (i usually do eggs but i have RNGed one wild pokemon before, but not shiny) im trying to find an IV frame of 1 b/c i want to RNG in an area that has some NPCs. the problem im having is that the nearest shiny frame is at about 50000 or so. is there any way to decrease this number (aside from finding a different seed b/c thats giving me trouble too) or is there away to advance the PIDRNG frame by about 1000 or so (or anything more then the 1 that viewing chatot's summary advances it) Thanks for any advice, you guys are the greatest XD
Really, the only way to advance the PIDRNG without much difficulty is via Chattering. You can walk and turn to advance it, although it's not as simple and straight-forward as Chattering, which can easily be recorded.

dewey911p
17th October 2011, 6:32 PM
Really, the only way to advance the PIDRNG without much difficulty is via Chattering. You can walk and turn to advance it, although it's not as simple and straight-forward as Chattering, which can easily be recorded.

darn, that sucks :/ i cant really do the walking though b/c of the NPCs, to my understanding they advance the frame uncontrollably. i found a frame at ~18100 but thats still alot of chatot views :/

TDawg
17th October 2011, 11:43 PM
darn, that sucks :/ i cant really do the walking though b/c of the NPCs, to my understanding they advance the frame uncontrollably. i found a frame at ~18100 but thats still alot of chatot views :/

Why wouldn't you want to RNG breed it anyways?

drothagreat0ne
18th October 2011, 2:20 AM
TDawg, Jolteon, whomever has been really successful. I need your luck. I've been trying to RNG a shiny Bold Yamask for almost two days and I'm close to pulling out all my hairs. I think my Timer0 hates me. :(

Question: When you couple a Ditto with a female Pokemon, who is the female? As in, who's IVs fall under female in PPRNG (or RNGReporter)?

TDawg
18th October 2011, 2:38 AM
The actual female will be the female.

dewey911p
18th October 2011, 3:56 AM
Why wouldn't you want to RNG breed it anyways?

normally i would, but its a special request

Jirachi9
18th October 2011, 1:15 PM
so hang on im still trying 2 understand what RNG ing is. bassicaly theres a random numer that goes off to determine shininess etc and what RNG ing is is making that generator hit the right number?

jellywolffy
18th October 2011, 2:33 PM
How can I find my starting frame? Trying to learn RNGing on eggs.

Ces
18th October 2011, 3:32 PM
Jelly, check Jolteon135's videos on the first page, they're very helpful for beginners. He explains it much better than I can.

drothagreat0ne
18th October 2011, 6:38 PM
Thanks for the info TDawg. I'm going to keep at it. I'm determined.

*edit* I forgot to ask: Do the Power items affect anything on an egg?

The Eleventh
18th October 2011, 7:09 PM
*edit* I forgot to ask: Do the Power items affect anything on an egg?
I believe they do. Don't use them. Anyway, you'll have no need of them.

Too Funk to Druck
18th October 2011, 7:59 PM
Thanks for the info TDawg. I'm going to keep at it. I'm determined.

*edit* I forgot to ask: Do the Power items affect anything on an egg?

Power items force down an IV from one of the parents. It'll mess up the IV inheritance, I believe, so yeah, don't use them.

pantherotter
18th October 2011, 8:01 PM
Question: When you couple a Ditto with a female Pokemon, who is the female? As in, who's IVs fall under female in PPRNG (or RNGReporter)?

The Ditto will always be considered the opposite gender of the Pokemon you are breeding. If you breed a female Charizard with a Ditto, the Ditto will be considered the father. Vice versa with a male Charizard, then the Ditto will be considered the mother.

I managed to RNG a perfect Ditto in Pearl and import it to White to breed semi-flawless Pokemon. Shinies are also much simpler to breed! The only thing that really throws me off are those dang moving NPCs! Sometimes my timer0 will fluctuate and ruin what I am trying to hatch, but I will take that over flipping a coin hundreds of times only to fail anyday!

The Eleventh
18th October 2011, 8:04 PM
The Ditto will always be considered the opposite gender of the Pokemon you are breeding. If you breed a female Charizard with a Ditto, the Ditto will be considered the father. Vice versa with a male Charizard, then the Ditto will be considered the mother.
Also, to add: Genderless Pokémon are considered male, while Ditto are considered female when breeding those two.

I managed to RNG a perfect Ditto in Pearl and import it to White to breed semi-flawless Pokemon. Shinies are also much simpler to breed! The only thing that really throws me off are those dang moving NPCs! Sometimes my timer0 will fluctuate and ruin what I am trying to hatch, but I will take that over flipping a coin hundreds of times only to fail anyday!
Why didn't you just RNG the Ditto in Gen V, considering how much easier it is? :P

drothagreat0ne
18th October 2011, 8:18 PM
Thanks for the answers. I think it was a power item that was messing with my eggs. Now I'm landing on my seed. Now to advance these PID frames.

*edit* I think I'm getting the hang of it. I think it's safe to assume that the Power item was throwing me off. This is what I bred once I took off the Anklet from Ditto. Thanks for the help guys! :)))



http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/479.gif#479 Rotom | http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/type/electric.gifhttp://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/type/ghost.gif | Genderless | http://serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/pokeball.png
Nature: Timid | Ability: Levitate | Characteristic: Mischievous.
Date: 10/18/2011 | Hatched: Route 3 | Met at Lvl. 1
IVs: 31/x/31/31/31/31 | Egg Move(s): None

*edit #2*

Holy smokes guys! Seriously, thanks. I finally got that Yamask that was giving me trouble bred. I'm soooo happy!!!



http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/562.gif#562 Yamask | http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/type/ghost.gif | ♂ | http://serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/pokeball.png
Nature: Bold | Ability: Mummy | Characteristic: Alert to sounds.
Date: 10/22/2011 | Hatched: Route 3 | Met at Lvl. 1
IVs: 31/x/31/31/31/31 | Egg Move(s): None

TDawg
18th October 2011, 11:35 PM
Thanks for the answers. I think it was a power item that was messing with my eggs. Now I'm landing on my seed. Now to advance these PID frames.

*edit* I think I'm getting the hang of it. I think it's safe to assume that the Power item was throwing me off. This is what I bred once I took off the Anklet from Ditto. Thanks for the help guys! :)))



http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/479.gif#479 Rotom | http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/type/electric.gifhttp://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/type/ghost.gif | Genderless | http://serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/pokeball.png
Nature: Timid | Ability: Levitate | Characteristic: Mischievous.
Date: 10/18/2011 | Hatched: Route 3 | Met at Lvl. 1
IVs: 31/x/31/31/31/31 | Egg Move(s): None

*edit #2*

Holy smokes guys! Seriously, thanks. I finally got that Yamask that was giving me trouble bred. I'm soooo happy!!!



http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/562.gif#562 Yamask | http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/type/ghost.gif | Male | http://serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/pokeball.png
Nature: Bold | Ability: Mummy | Characteristic: Alert to sounds.
Date: 10/22/2011 | Hatched: Route 3 | Met at Lvl. 1
IVs: 31/x/31/31/31/31 | Egg Move(s): None

Congrats and keep em coming :) Nice RNG template btw ;)

drothagreat0ne
19th October 2011, 12:12 AM
Congrats and keep em coming :) Nice RNG template btw ;)

LOL, :). Thanks for that as well, TDawg. It really is a nice way of displaying them.

I'm super stoked that I can finish my battling team.

TDawg
19th October 2011, 12:28 AM
Yeah np :p and yeah RNG makes team making a breeze. Much better then breeding imo :D

drothagreat0ne
19th October 2011, 7:31 AM
Just finished hatching this guy.



http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/636.gif#636 Larvesta | http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/type/bug.gifhttp://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/type/fire.gif | ♂ | http://serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/pokeball.png
Nature: Timid | Ability: Flame Body | Characteristic: Somewhat vain.
Date: 12/9/2011 | Hatched: Route 3 | Met at Lvl. 1
IVs: 31/x/31/31/31/31 | Egg Move(s): Morning Sun

drothagreat0ne
19th October 2011, 6:22 PM
And with this guy, my team is complete:




http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/559.gif#559 Scraggy | http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/type/dark.gifhttp://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/type/fighting.gif | ♂ | http://serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/pokeball.png
Nature: Careful | Ability: Moxie | Characteristic: Somewhat vain.
Date: 10/24/2011 | Hatched: Skyarrow Bridge | Met at Lvl. 1
IVs: 31/31/31/x/31/31 | Egg Move(s): Dragon Dance, Ice Punch, Drain Punch

The Eleventh
19th October 2011, 10:20 PM
When searching for shiny PIDRNG frames, do you go through a vast number of seeds, searching for the lowest possible ones? This can take a while, though, can't it?

TDawg
19th October 2011, 11:08 PM
And with this guy, my team is complete:




http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/559.gif#559 Scraggy | http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/type/dark.gifhttp://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/type/fighting.gif | ♂ | http://serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/pokeball.png
Nature: Careful | Ability: Moxie | Characteristic: Somewhat vain.
Date: 10/24/2011 | Hatched: Skyarrow Bridge | Met at Lvl. 1
IVs: 31/31/31/x/31/31 | Egg Move(s): Dragon Dance, Ice Punch, Drain Punch

Congrats dro but easy on the double post. Use the edit button if there isnt anyone posted after you

kaiser soze
20th October 2011, 5:01 AM
I may or may not get off my lazy azz and finally RNg my DW Banette...

TDawg
20th October 2011, 5:03 AM
I may or may not get off my lazy azz and finally RNg my DW Banette...

Lol same here. How do you RNG entree forest pokes anyhow

kaiser soze
20th October 2011, 5:21 AM
This (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3159941&postcount=2) is the Smogon guide. Then again as a Mac I'm going to have to translate this into using PPRNG by myself...

TDawg
20th October 2011, 5:28 AM
Lol yay for me having a PC

jolteon135
20th October 2011, 6:35 AM
just for further clarification, for C-Gear manipulation with Entree forest pokemon, if you load the game from the main menu when the first timer on Eon timer hits 0 u dont need to soft reset your game at all?
That's correct.


darn, that sucks :/ i cant really do the walking though b/c of the NPCs, to my understanding they advance the frame uncontrollably. i found a frame at ~18100 but thats still alot of chatot views :/
Why would you set your max shiny frame that high? Anything above 1000 is ridiculous.



When searching for shiny PIDRNG frames, do you go through a vast number of seeds, searching for the lowest possible ones? This can take a while, though, can't it?
Time finder/capture tab --> max shiny frame 1000 (search for nearby shiny frames)

or

Shiny Egg Tab --> min frame=60, max frame=200

Those are the setting I usually use. Yes it will take forever to find a seed for captures (wild/stationary/gift*/etc). It's much easier to find shiny egg seeds (assuming decent parents).

drothagreat0ne
20th October 2011, 3:51 PM
Congrats dro but easy on the double post. Use the edit button if there isnt anyone posted after you

Sorry about that. I'll remember that from now on. And thanks.

Tarro57
20th October 2011, 9:10 PM
This (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3159941&postcount=2) is the Smogon guide. Then again as a Mac I'm going to have to translate this into using PPRNG by myself...

Do you know how sorry I feel for you having to translate it all by yourself (maybe with others sometimes)? They should translate it into PPRNG and RNGReporter at the same time...

kaiser soze
21st October 2011, 1:05 AM
Wait Tarro you're a Mac?

Tarro57
21st October 2011, 1:08 AM
No, I was just saying I feel sorry for you.

pwnswitchclik
21st October 2011, 1:33 AM
guys, intend to catch shiny pokemon through RNG, and I watched the video provided by smogon on youtube, and I still don't get it. I looked through the guide of how to use RNG reporter on smogon too, and I didn't get it either :/

Too Funk to Druck
21st October 2011, 1:56 AM
guys, intend to catch shiny pokemon through RNG, and I watched the video provided by smogon on youtube, and I still don't get it. I looked through the guide of how to use RNG reporter on smogon too, and I didn't get it either :/

Well, what don't you get? We can't really help you if we don't know where you're stuck.

jellywolffy
21st October 2011, 12:31 PM
I want to ask if I go in the game and get an egg I will get to frame 8?
If yes, if I set the time finder and choose the egg's min and max to 8, I can just get in the game and just get the correct one without doing any thing (let I hit the seed correctly)?

Ces
21st October 2011, 10:00 PM
http://serebii.net/Shiny/BW/390.png#390 Chimchar | http://serebii.net/pokedex-dp/type/fire.gif | ♂ | http://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/pokeball.png
Nature: Naive | Ability: Blaze | Characteristic: Likes to trash about.
Date: 10/1/2011 | Hatched: Skyarrow Bridge | Egg hatched.
IVs: 31/31/31/31/x/31 | Egg moves: N/A

TDawg
21st October 2011, 10:54 PM
I want to ask if I go in the game and get an egg I will get to frame 8?
If yes, if I set the time finder and choose the egg's min and max to 8, I can just get in the game and just get the correct one without doing any thing (let I hit the seed correctly)?

That would be correct.

Congrats Ces. Chimchar is my favorite Sinnoh poke :D

jellywolffy
22nd October 2011, 12:44 AM
Do I need to find the paramenter every time I open the reporter?

pwnswitchclik
22nd October 2011, 1:39 AM
Well, what don't you get? We can't really help you if we don't know where you're stuck.

Pretty much a ton of stuff, though I did get the idea go to a non-NPC grassy area or cave and save there (I would furthermore ask if I can save in a water area, like in Undella Bay, for example).

So, I choose Method 5 and then I click on DS parameters (for my White game) and punch in the MAC Address, then press Search afterwards and the cursor is auto-placed in the "encountered Poke's" IVs box of the same window.

So, I ask (first of many questions to come):

Because of the "encountered Poke's IVs box" thing, does this mean, that in order to catch a shiny pokemon, I have to catch another different pokemon?

TDawg
22nd October 2011, 7:21 AM
Pretty much a ton of stuff, though I did get the idea go to a non-NPC grassy area or cave and save there (I would furthermore ask if I can save in a water area, like in Undella Bay, for example).

So, I choose Method 5 and then I click on DS parameters (for my White game) and punch in the MAC Address, then press Search afterwards and the cursor is auto-placed in the "encountered Poke's" IVs box of the same window.

So, I ask (first of many questions to come):

Because of the "encountered Poke's IVs box" thing, does this mean, that in order to catch a shiny pokemon, I have to catch another different pokemon?

Yes. It wants you to catch a pokemon and get it's IVs. This is so RNGReporter can eh I guess sync your DS and game together. (not like the game syncs it though) And this you can start searching for shiny seeds (if you know your SID)

The Eleventh
22nd October 2011, 12:51 PM
Do I need to find the paramenter every time I open the reporter?
No. If you do it correctly, you'll only have to do it once, or twice to be certain.

pwnswitchclik
22nd October 2011, 5:53 PM
Yes. It wants you to catch a pokemon and get it's IVs. This is so RNGReporter can eh I guess sync your DS and game together. (not like the game syncs it though) And this you can start searching for shiny seeds (if you know your SID)

I don't know it, i've been looking around and found this thread:

http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=386016

And I gotta say "catch 22" 'cause it says in order to determine the SID with the objective of catching shinies, I must go catch a shiny first. -.-'

drothagreat0ne
22nd October 2011, 5:59 PM
I don't know it, i've been looking around and found this thread:

http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=386016

And I gotta say "catch 22" 'cause it says in order to determine the SID with the objective of catching shinies, I must go catch a shiny first. -.-'

If you want to find out your Secret ID, I suggest using this website. Quickest way and it doesn't tamper with your game.

http://www.pokecheck.org/

TDawg
22nd October 2011, 10:25 PM
Just got these guys. But they are for a trade so I won't see them for much longer lol.


http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/223.gifhttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/224.gif
#223 Remoraid | http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/type/water.gif | Male | http://serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/pokeball.png
Nature: Modest | Ability: Hustle (Suction Cup) | Characteristic: ???.
Date: 9/01/2011 | Hatched: Skyarrow Bridge | Met at Lvl. 1
IVs: 31/x/31/31/31/31 | Egg Move(s): Water Spout

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#143 Snorlax | http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/type/normal.gif | Male | http://serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/pokeball.png
Nature: Adamant | Ability: Thick Fat | Characteristic: ???.
Date: 10/??/2011 | Hatched: Skyarrow Bridge | Met at Lvl. 1
IVs: 31/31/31/x/31/31 | Egg Move(s): Pursuit

As for the "???" I am just to lazy to see what the real description of the pokes are. lol

EmiiLava
23rd October 2011, 1:15 AM
Is a starter considered a stationary or gift?

pwnswitchclik
23rd October 2011, 1:44 AM
If you want to find out your Secret ID, I suggest using this website. Quickest way and it doesn't tamper with your game.

http://www.pokecheck.org/

Thanks. I got a few more questions:

About the "pokemon encountered using sweet scent immediately after loading the game" detail.

Does the lime coloured sentence part imply that the pokemon must be encountered AFTER the 'time is found' in the Time Finder Window in the RNG Reporter?

Can anyone press repeatedly the A button to speed up the loading a bit like some people normally do AND NOT affect the whole RNG act?

Typhlosion X
23rd October 2011, 2:15 AM
Alright, I've been trying to get into 5th gen RNG w/o c-gear, but I've been having trouble. I've watched the guides and read both this thread and the smogon guides and am at a loss as how to get my seed with DS Parameters search. I'd really love some help.

I'll start the game and make note of the time down to the second (DS original, it's in sync with my computer clock), not touch any buttons until the Game Freak logo, sweet scent (at Giant Chasm, in the outer cave), enter IV ranges and search but no matter how many times I hard or soft reset, I don't get any results.

My method is set to Method 5 (Standard Seed) and Encounter Type to Stationary if it helps.

TDawg
23rd October 2011, 2:19 AM
You don't want stationary when you're sweet scenting. That would be a wild encounter

Typhlosion X
23rd October 2011, 2:38 AM
Changed that and it worked, thanks! There's still a couple things confusing me though.

I had it on stationary because I wanted to RNG a stationary, Kyurem. I wrote down my results from the parameter search but I'm not really sure how to go about using them.

Also, is this parameter search a thing I'll have to do every time I want to RNG this way or is it a one time thing?

drothagreat0ne
23rd October 2011, 4:42 AM
Thanks. I got a few more questions:

About the "pokemon encountered using sweet scent immediately after loading the game" detail.

Does the lime coloured sentence part imply that the pokemon must be encountered AFTER the 'time is found' in the Time Finder Window in the RNG Reporter?

Can anyone press repeatedly the A button to speed up the loading a bit like some people normally do AND NOT affect the whole RNG act?


Yes, in a way. You can mash the A button when the Gamefreak animation comes up. If you do before that, then you most likely will not find anything. Also, make sure to not turn on the C-Gear when loading up the game.

TDawg
23rd October 2011, 4:53 AM
Changed that and it worked, thanks! There's still a couple things confusing me though.

I had it on stationary because I wanted to RNG a stationary, Kyurem. I wrote down my results from the parameter search but I'm not really sure how to go about using them.

Also, is this parameter search a thing I'll have to do every time I want to RNG this way or is it a one time thing?

Alright that's good. And once you get those parameters there should be a button that says "Use parameters in Time Finder" or something like that. There's you're beginning. Time Finder is where you be finding ALL of your 5th Gen seeds (maybe aside from ID RNGing). So since you want Kyurem you will wanna go to the capture frame in the Time finder page.

Kiebin
23rd October 2011, 9:22 AM
Presenting something that took me way too long and caused me to restart my White and get a new ID/SID combo:

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/6d/Bag_Master_Ball_Sprite.pnghttp://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/bws/642.pnghttp://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/6d/Bag_Master_Ball_Sprite.png
#642. Thundurus (★)
OT: Kevin | ID No.: 03391 | Gender: ♂
Nature: Timid | Ability: Prankster | Type: Electric/Flying
Location: Route 5
IV: 30/31/30/31/31/31
Hidden Power: Ice 70
EV: UT | Level: 40
Moves: Revenge | Shock Wave | Heal Block | Agility

The Eleventh
23rd October 2011, 10:39 AM
Is a starter considered a stationary or gift?
It's considered a stationary Pokémon.

Congrats on the Thundurus, Kiebin. It's such a valued RNG.

Tarro57
23rd October 2011, 2:59 PM
Presenting something that took me way too long and caused me to restart my White and get a new ID/SID combo:

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#642. Thundurus (★)
OT: Kevin | ID No.: 03391 | Gender: ♂
Nature: Timid | Ability: Prankster | Type: Electric/Flying
Location: Route 5
IV: 30/31/30/31/31/31
Hidden Power: Ice 70
EV: UT | Level: 40
Moves: Revenge | Shock Wave | Heal Block | Agility

Holy Caramel Apples! Good Job! I am hopefully going to do that to one of the roaming Genies someday.

The Eleventh
23rd October 2011, 3:08 PM
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#065 Alakazam
OT: Cian | ID No.: 64231 | Gender: M
Nature: Timid | Ability: Magic Guard | Type: Psychic
Hatch Location: Dreamyard | Hidden Power: Dark 70
Moves: Calm Mind | Psychic | Focus Blast | Shadow Ball
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31

This is my first shiny bred Pokémon in Gen V. I was going for a Magic Guard Abra, anyway, so just decided to make it shiny. I RNGed two of these, so that I can have one for trading purposes.

Tarro57
23rd October 2011, 3:10 PM
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#065 Alakazam
OT: Cian | ID No.: 64231 | Gender: M
Nature: Timid | Ability: Magic Guard | Type: Psychic
Hatch Location: Dreamyard | Hidden Power: Dark 70
Moves: Calm Mind | Psychic | Focus Blast | Shadow Ball
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31

This is my first shiny bred Pokémon in Gen V. I was going for a Magic Guard Abra, anyway, so just decided to make it shiny. I RNGed two of these, so that I can have one for trading purposes.

Congratz! Hoping to see more of those kinds of breeds from you, that is too cool for my eyesight. *closes eyes*

pwnswitchclik
23rd October 2011, 4:40 PM
Yes, in a way. You can mash the A button when the Gamefreak animation comes up. If you do before that, then you most likely will not find anything. Also, make sure to not turn on the C-Gear when loading up the game.

Thanks. I just saved the game in a patch of grass in the Giant Chasm, turned off and turned on the game again, followed those specifications you just mentioned, and then when I used Sweet Scent, a message appeared saying the sweet scent faded for some reason. What does that mean?

drothagreat0ne
23rd October 2011, 5:18 PM
Thanks. I just saved the game in a patch of grass in the Giant Chasm, turned off and turned on the game again, followed those specifications you just mentioned, and then when I used Sweet Scent, a message appeared saying the sweet scent faded for some reason. What does that mean?

I'm not too certain if this is correct. If it isn't, please correct this. Thanks:

If you're in the Giant Chasm, then you're most likely in the fog. The fog does not allow you to Sweet Scent. Your best bet would be to save inside the cave just before that part of the Giant Chasm. You are able to Sweet Scent inside a cave.

The Eleventh
23rd October 2011, 5:20 PM
I'm not too certain if this is correct. If it isn't, please correct this. Thanks:

If you're in the Giant Chasm, then you're most likely in the fog. The fog does not allow you to Sweet Scent. Your best bet would be to save inside the cave just before that part of the Giant Chasm. You are able to Sweet Scent inside a cave.
Yes, the fog is the problem. To remove it, though, just save the game, and set the date one month forward. Then enter a battle, and the fog will disappear.

Metagross-
23rd October 2011, 6:47 PM
Hey everyone I've been working on RNG'ing and I'm able to hit my IV frame consistently with wild pokemon, so recently I've been going for a shiny. My question is do I need to find my starting frame or does it start at one, and if I need to find my starting frame, how would I do this, I've been looking but I can't seem to figure it out. And would I need my SSF if I am in an area with no NPC's?

Another little question of my curiosity, if someone had the exact same parameters as you, could you share seeds? Just wondering.

Ces
23rd October 2011, 9:52 PM
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#633 Deino
OT: Colin | ID: 27384 | Gender: ♂
Nature: Modest | Ability: Hustle | http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/type/dark.gifhttp://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/type/dragon.gif
10/10/2011 | Skyarrow Bridge | Egg hatched | Often Dozes off
Egg Move(s): Dark Pulse | IVs: 31/x/31/31/31/31

pwnswitchclik
24th October 2011, 12:54 AM
It's me again. So, I watched this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4zNQH9cC3w and did what the guy in it, I filled in the date-hour-minute-second data, used sweet scent and caught a piloswine and had it's IVs checked and filled them in above the Initial Seed textbox, pressed the ''search'' button, but nothing came out of it.:/

Ces
24th October 2011, 2:02 AM
It's me again. So, I watched this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4zNQH9cC3w and did what the guy in it, I filled in the date-hour-minute-second data, used sweet scent and caught a piloswine and had it's IVs checked and filled them in above the Initial Seed textbox, pressed the ''search'' button, but nothing came out of it.:/

Did you fill in your version of the game and the MAC address?

TDawg
24th October 2011, 2:11 AM
Also a screen shot makes everything much easier.

Metagross-
24th October 2011, 2:56 AM
Hey everyone I've been working on RNG'ing and I'm able to hit my IV frame consistently with wild pokemon, so recently I've been going for a shiny. My question is do I need to find my starting frame or does it start at one, and if I need to find my starting frame, how would I do this, I've been looking but I can't seem to figure it out. And would I need my SSF if I am in an area with no NPC's?

Another little question of my curiosity, if someone had the exact same parameters as you, could you share seeds? Just wondering.
Still need help please

Too Funk to Druck
24th October 2011, 11:26 AM
Still need help please

Yes you need to find the SSF, but it doesn't start at one. It starts at somewhere above 40-60. For an area with no NPCs, you just need the regular SF, which you can find by setting the first drop down bar in the main page of RNG Reporter to Method 5 PIDRNG(I believe PPRNG shows it automatically for each seed, but I'm not sure). For areas with NPCs, you need to catch a Pokemon using sweet scent/hatch an egg(if you're doing eggs) using 0/1 chatters. Then you look on the main page of RNG Reporter, put the seed in, and press calculate(make sure you put in all the right information for what you're trying to get, but don't worry about putting in stuff for shiny and IVs). You'll get a list of all the Pokemon who are on that IV frame. Look for one that matches the Pokemon you catch/hatch(make sure you know which ability is 0 and which one is 1). If none match, or none match that are in a reasonable range, you either missed your seed, or your Timer0 fluctuated. If something matches, that frame, will be your SSF.

And you can't share seeds unless you happen to have absolutely everything te same, including the MAC address.

jolteon135
24th October 2011, 3:00 PM
Hey everyone I've been working on RNG'ing and I'm able to hit my IV frame consistently with wild pokemon, so recently I've been going for a shiny. My question is do I need to find my starting frame or does it start at one, and if I need to find my starting frame, how would I do this, I've been looking but I can't seem to figure it out. And would I need my SSF if I am in an area with no NPC's?
There are videos on the first page. See "JOLTEON135's RNG HELP VIDEOS."


Another little question of my curiosity, if someone had the exact same parameters as you, could you share seeds? Just wondering.
Yes but that's impossible because 2 DS cannot have the same MAC Address.

FairyWitch
24th October 2011, 6:27 PM
Im so confused can anyone help me i want to rng a perfect iv shiny but everything i read is so confusing can someone help me please...i need a step by step for dummys lol...im new to rnging and i just got it...i normally use the mming method...

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
24th October 2011, 7:17 PM
Well, try to read the OP. It doesn't get much more simple than that.

FairyWitch
24th October 2011, 7:41 PM
Well, try to read the OP. It doesn't get much more simple than that.

OP whats that sorry i really sorry i sound so nubish...

The Eleventh
24th October 2011, 7:43 PM
OP whats that sorry i really sorry i sound so nubish...
Original Post/Original Poster.

Read the first post for help.

Ces
24th October 2011, 7:46 PM
Eevee, do you have a Pokemon with sweet scent and a chatot with a custom chatter?

Shadow_Assailant
24th October 2011, 9:32 PM
*Note: Off topic-ish*

Hey, guys (and gals). It's Shadow. I haven't been on in a while (obviously). Between school, homework, band, life, and laziness, I haven't gotten time to get on here or to even RNG. But I'm going to start trying to get on here more regularly. :D

One main reason I'm back is because at the end of this school year, my school band is having a trip, and on the bus ride down, a bunch of us band geeks are having double battle tournament type deal. I say this because I was looking for some help to build an extremely effective team that will not only win, but impress. :D

Also, does anyone have a Spiritomb they can trade to me? :D

The Eleventh
24th October 2011, 10:54 PM
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#475 Gallade
OT: Cian | ID No.: 64231 | Gender: M
Nature: Adamant | Ability: Steadfast | Type: Psychic/Fighting
Hatch Location: Challenger's Cave | Hidden Power: Dark 70
Moves: Swords Dance | False Swipe | Hypnosis | Mean Look
IVs: 31/31/31/23/31/31

This took way longer than I expected it to. I had great difficulty in hitting my seed, for an unknown reason. I'll be using him for catching purposes. Also, I wanted a shiny Gallade.

pwnswitchclik
24th October 2011, 10:54 PM
Did you fill in your version of the game and the MAC address?

Yes. And about the MAC address, does it make any difference if the letters written in it are in CAPS or small?

TDawg
25th October 2011, 5:57 AM
Yes. And about the MAC address, does it make any difference if the letters written in it are in CAPS or small?

It shouldn't but do it anyways. It is not hard at all and there's always CAPs LOCK

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
25th October 2011, 7:13 AM
"dat rng master race"



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#527-528 Woobat|Timid|Unaware|31|3|31|30|30|30|Fight 70|
|Roost|Stored Power|Calm Mind|Hidden Power|
|Hatched at Challenger's Cave|

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#531 Audino|Bold|Regenerator|31|10|31|31|31|31|
|Wish|Heal Bell|Toxic|Protect|
|Hatched at Celestial Tower|

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#535-537 Tympole|Modest|Swift Swim|31|2|30|31|31|31|Ice 70|
|Growl|Earth Power|Hidden Power|Sludge Wave|
|Hatched at Undella Bay|

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#538 Throh|Careful|Guts|31|31|31|31|31|31|
|Protect|Earthquake|Brick Break|Stone Edge|
|Hatched at Challenger's Cave|

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#539 Sawk|Adamant|Sturdy|31|31|31|31|31|31|
|Protect|Earthquake|Bulk Up|Rock Slide|
|Hatched at Victory Road|

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#543-545 Venipede|Jolly|Poison Point|31|31|31|31|31|31|
|Defense Curl|Rollout|Toxic Spikes|Spikes|
|Hatched at Pinwheel Forest|

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#548-549 Petilil|Modest|Chlorophyll|31|6|30|31|30|30|Rock 70|
|Absorb|
|Hatched at Rumination Field|

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#556 Maractus|Modest|Chlorophyll|31|2|31|30|31|30|Fire 70|
|Absorb|Wood Hammer|GrassWhistle|Leech Seed|
|Hatched at Rumination Field|

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#557-558 Dwebble|Adamant|Sturdy|31|31|31|31|31|31|
|Fury Cutter|Spikes|Earthquake|X-Scissor|
|Hatched at Undella Bay|

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#561 Sigilyph|Bold|Magic Guard|31|0|31|31|31|31|
|Miracle Eye|Stored Power|Roost|Psycho Shift|
|Hatched at Skyarrow Bridge|

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#562-563 Yamask|Bold|Mummy|31|15|30|30|30|30|Fight 70|
|Protect|Nasty Plot|Memento|Shadow Ball|
|Hatched at Relic Castle|

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#564-565 Tirtouga|Jolly|Solid Rock|31|31|31|31|31|31|
|Water Gun|Waterfall|Stone Edge|Earthquake|
|Hatched at Undella Bay|

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#588-589 Karrablast|Adamant|Swarm|31|31|31|31|31|31|
|Peck|Bug Bite|Pursuit|Megahorn|
|Hatched at Pinwheel Forest|

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#568-569 Trubbish|Impish|Stench|31|31|31|31|31|31|
|Poison Gas|Spikes|Explosion|Substitute|
|Hatched at Castelia City|

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#572-573 Mincinno|Jolly|Technician|31|31|31|31|31|31|
|Pound|Aqua Tail|
|Hatched at White Forest|

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#582-584 Vanillite|Modest|Ice Body|31|11|31|30|31|31|Electric 70|
|Icicle Spear|Automotize|Frost Breath|Flash Cannon|
|Hatched at Cold Storage|

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#574-576 Gothita|Modest|Frisk|31|3|30|30|30|30||Fight 70|
|Pound|Dark Pulse|
|Hatched at Celestial Tower|

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#590-591 Foongus|Bold|Effect Spore|31|1|31|31|31|31|
|Absorb|Stun Spore|
|Hatched at Rumination Field|

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#594 Alomomola|Impish|Healer|31|31|31|31|31|31|
|Pound|Water Sport|
|Hatched at Undella Bay|

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#595-596 Joltik|Timid|Compundeyes|31|10|30|31|31|31|Ice 70|
|String Shot|Leech Life|Spider Web||
|Hatched at Chargestone Cave|

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#597-598 Ferroseed|Relaxed|Iron Barbs|31|31|31|26|31|0|
|Harden|Spikes|Leech Seed|Gyro Ball|
|Hatched at Rumination Field|

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#599-601 Klink|Adamant|Minus|31|31|31|26|31|31|
|ViceGrip|Return|Volt Switch|
|Hatched at Gear Station|

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#602-604 Tynamo|Modest|Levitate|31|14|30|31|31|31|Ice 70|
|Tackle|Thunder Wave|Spark|Charge Beam|
|Hatched at Chargestone Cave|

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#605-606 Elgyem|Modest|Telepathy|31|10|30|30|30|30|Fight 70|
|Nasty Plot|Psychic|Shadow Ball|Reflect|
|Hatched at Entralink|

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#361-478 Snorunt|Timid|Ice Body|31|0|31|31|31|31|
|Ice Beam|Shadow Ball|Weather Ball|Spikes|
|Hatched at Cold Storage|

Ces
25th October 2011, 7:55 AM
Very nice, I'm taking a break from rnging so I can use the dream world.

Poke_Mania97
25th October 2011, 10:39 AM
is it possible to rng pokemon black with a 3DS?

Too Funk to Druck
25th October 2011, 11:20 AM
is it possible to rng pokemon black with a 3DS?

You can c-gear RNG, but it's harder to learn.

SkittyOnWailord
25th October 2011, 11:53 AM
I have a question. Is RNG fishing different in some way?

I'll start by saying that I've RNG'd for quite a few wild shinies with good IVs so I'm not new to this. But this one's got me puzzled. I'm trying to RNG for a shiny Horsea at P2 Laboratory and this is the first time I've RNG'd while fishing. Or maybe I haven't RNG'd for a few months and forgot how. :/

The frame I'm trying to hit is frame 1 (which is a Horsea encounter slot) while the shiny frame is frame 288. I've tried entering the game on the right time and just fishing for something right away and it's always a Horsea (with the wrong nature/IVs obviously). But when I try and use Chatot to advance the shiny frame by 287 then I always get the wrong nature/IVs. After doing it a few times I've found that I need to Chatot 284 times and not 287 times (Is there a wandering NPC here?). But the problem there is every time I Chatot 284 times then I find a non-shiny Finneon with the right IVs and the wrong nature.

So is fishing different in some way or am I just doing this wrong some how? I've been at this for almost 4 hours and there doesn't seem to be many variants. It's always a Horsea when I don't advance the shiny frame and always a Finneon with the wrong nature and right IVs if I do advance the shiny frame.

The Eleventh
25th October 2011, 6:50 PM
@SkittyOnWailord, I think you're RNGing wrong. You need to look at the encounter slot on the PIDRNG frame as well. Since the frame you want is 288, look at 288's encounter slot. You need it to be either Slot 1 or Slot 2. When you say you advanced the frame by 297 and note that the IVs are wrong, you haven't hit your seed, as PIDRNG advancing has no effect on IVs.

Oh, and there are NPCs at the P2 Laboratory.

Sephiroth_Strife
25th October 2011, 8:50 PM
I understand a good amount of RNGing (I had the most lovely shiny Espeon on my Pearl version before I got stuck in the Void) but I'm slightly confused with the DS Parameter Search. I'm also running a Mac (10.6.something if you must know) and my Parameter Search is taking FOREVER! I entered the max-min IVs, only have a range of 2 or 3 as per the guide finding, and my start date is 3/6/2011. I put in the hour, minute, and second of when I booted the game and clicked Search. The little bar has not moved at all. The "Start Date" is when you originally started your adventure, right? Like, I clicked New Game on March 6 of 2011? Or is it today's date, 10/25/11, meaning the date I started finding parameters?

Too Funk to Druck
25th October 2011, 8:58 PM
I understand a good amount of RNGing (I had the most lovely shiny Espeon on my Pearl version before I got stuck in the Void) but I'm slightly confused with the DS Parameter Search. I'm also running a Mac (10.6.something if you must know) and my Parameter Search is taking FOREVER! I entered the max-min IVs, only have a range of 2 or 3 as per the guide finding, and my start date is 3/6/2011. I put in the hour, minute, and second of when I booted the game and clicked Search. The little bar has not moved at all. The "Start Date" is when you originally started your adventure, right? Like, I clicked New Game on March 6 of 2011? Or is it today's date, 10/25/11, meaning the date I started finding parameters?

It's the date your DS says when you are doing parameters. If you do parameters 10/25/11 at 5:30:15 then that's what you put in, but if you take a break and then did them a month later, you would change the date accordingly.

Ces
25th October 2011, 8:59 PM
I understand a good amount of RNGing (I had the most lovely shiny Espeon on my Pearl version before I got stuck in the Void) but I'm slightly confused with the DS Parameter Search. I'm also running a Mac (10.6.something if you must know) and my Parameter Search is taking FOREVER! I entered the max-min IVs, only have a range of 2 or 3 as per the guide finding, and my start date is 3/6/2011. I put in the hour, minute, and second of when I booted the game and clicked Search. The little bar has not moved at all. The "Start Date" is when you originally started your adventure, right? Like, I clicked New Game on March 6 of 2011? Or is it today's date, 10/25/11, meaning the date I started finding parameters?

The date and time that you enter the game in the ds main menu. If you haven't changed the date at all, it should be 10/25/2011. The time depends on your timezone, but remember, it's the time you hit "A" on the ds screen with the clock.

Sephiroth_Strife
25th October 2011, 9:10 PM
Right. That did it then. I had started cross-referencing with another guide that mentioned needing the Adventure Start date so that's what I thought the Parameter Searcher needed. Thanks for clearing that up. Fun fact: Both times I've tried it (correctly) so far, I've gotten a Durant and only 1 seed showed up! Maybe I'm finally having some luck!

Poke_Mania97
25th October 2011, 9:11 PM
You can c-gear RNG, but it's harder to learn.

lemme rephrase my question. Before you couldn't rng shiny eggs with a 3ds. can you do that now?

Sephiroth_Strife
25th October 2011, 9:23 PM
Pro Tip: Try to restart your DS at the same time for each test. If you start seeing the same pokemon multiple times, it means you found your Timer0!
This means to cuss around with the time setting on my DS so that I'm always starting the game at 3:58:00 pm, correct? I haven't done this yet because I'm not sure if it will mess up anything with my game, even if only temporarily. Anyway, I ran into a Boldore this time, got two different seeds but the Timer0, VCount, and VFrame for the bottom seed are the same as when I ran into the Durant. Should I just write that one down or narrow the IVs to get only one seed again?

Ces
25th October 2011, 9:31 PM
This means to cuss around with the time setting on my DS so that I'm always starting the game at 3:58:00 pm, correct? I haven't done this yet because I'm not sure if it will mess up anything with my game, even if only temporarily. Anyway, I ran into a Boldore this time, got two different seeds but the Timer0, VCount, and VFrame for the bottom seed are the same as when I ran into the Durant. Should I just write that one down or narrow the IVs to get only one seed again?

Let me work you through what I do step by step, bear in mind I'm still somewhat new to rnging though:

first, do you have a pokemon with sweet scent?

Too Funk to Druck
25th October 2011, 9:38 PM
This means to cuss around with the time setting on my DS so that I'm always starting the game at 3:58:00 pm, correct? I haven't done this yet because I'm not sure if it will mess up anything with my game, even if only temporarily. Anyway, I ran into a Boldore this time, got two different seeds but the Timer0, VCount, and VFrame for the bottom seed are the same as when I ran into the Durant. Should I just write that one down or narrow the IVs to get only one seed again?

You don't have to start at the same time, I didn't. But if you're getting the same results from different Pokemon, you should be fine. The seed you get doesn't matter when you're finding parameters. Just the timer0 and the like.

kaiser soze
25th October 2011, 10:15 PM
This means to cuss around with the time setting on my DS so that I'm always starting the game at 3:58:00 pm, correct? I haven't done this yet because I'm not sure if it will mess up anything with my game, even if only temporarily. Anyway, I ran into a Boldore this time, got two different seeds but the Timer0, VCount, and VFrame for the bottom seed are the same as when I ran into the Durant. Should I just write that one down or narrow the IVs to get only one seed again?
Yes; I strongly suggest doing that (well of course I do I wrote the guide :D).

Don't worry; changing your DS clock and the time you use when you turn on the game has no real impact and will not send your save file into the netherworld. I "went back into time" to RNG my Kyurem in 2009.

As for my guide, I apologize for its incompleteness. College has basically put that project on long-term hiatus...


lemme rephrase my question. Before you couldn't rng shiny eggs with a 3ds. can you do that now?
No, unless you got a few grand to go spend on some equipment to break the game code.

There are two RNGs in 5th gen: one that controls IVs and another for everything else (nature, shininess, etc). Only the former has been researched for C-gear use. To research the later so you could RNG on newer DSes would cost a few thousand dollars for the equipment necessary, but you might as well just get an old DS for cheep. Shininess is overrated anyway; IVs are a lot more important.

pwnswitchclik
25th October 2011, 11:18 PM
It shouldn't but do it anyways. It is not hard at all and there's always CAPs LOCK

Well, did it and nothing changed, the search didn't turned out anything.:/

Ces
25th October 2011, 11:22 PM
Well, did it and nothing changed, the search didn't turned out anything.:/

Try pRoviding a screenshot, that will help us find the problem.

TDawg
25th October 2011, 11:44 PM
Yeah seriously. Screenshots making everything at least 1000% easier to understand what your trouble is

pwnswitchclik
26th October 2011, 12:06 AM
Yeah seriously. Screenshots making everything at least 1000% easier to understand what your trouble is

Sorry about that guys:

http://milfotos.org/images/2f80abe2d8393fc11b38cad48bb1c334.JPG

TDawg
26th October 2011, 12:25 AM
Okay for that 46 are you hitting at 45? IF so you actually want the thing to say 45. That 1 sec delay is for when actually trying to hit a seed

Sephiroth_Strife
26th October 2011, 12:41 AM
I got my parameters, but I'm not sure what to put into the Config screen. The Timer0, VCount, and VFrame I got during the Parameter Searcher are C80, 60, and 8. Do I put that in the Max part of the Game Configuration, since there's a Min and Max part?

kaiser soze
26th October 2011, 12:46 AM
I got my parameters, but I'm not sure what to put into the Config screen. The Timer0, VCount, and VFrame I got during the Parameter Searcher are C80, 60, and 8. Do I put that in the Max part of the Game Configuration, since there's a Min and Max part?
Yes, put it in both.

Metagross-
26th October 2011, 12:55 AM
Anyone got an answer to why my RNG reporter freezes and closes when I try anything while or after searching? THis is the only program it does it with

Sephiroth_Strife
26th October 2011, 1:04 AM
I put the three I found in Parameter Searcher into the Config's Min and Max spots? Seems odd, but you made the guide, so I'm trusting you aren't trolling. lol

Ces
26th October 2011, 1:07 AM
I put the three I found in Parameter Searcher into the Config's Min and Max spots? Seems odd, but you made the guide, so I'm trusting you aren't trolling. lol

I normally just hit "Use results in time finder", after I've found my parameters. That button can be found to the left of the box where your parameters are shown in.

pwnswitchclik
26th October 2011, 1:08 AM
Okay for that 46 are you hitting at 45? IF so you actually want the thing to say 45. That 1 sec delay is for when actually trying to hit a seed

First of all, I tried to sync my DS clock with my PC clock and the DS is now 14 seconds ahead of my PC's clock.

So I typed in 46, for 46 + 14 = 60, a minute, because I was lurking around on smogon again and it said in one of it's guides to 'select the game on the DS's main menu, as soon as the clock hits the next minute.

Again I apoligize if i'm not explaining it clearly.

drothagreat0ne
26th October 2011, 1:16 AM
First of all, I tried to sync my DS clock with my PC clock and the DS is now 14 seconds ahead of my PC's clock.

So I typed in 46, for 46 + 14 = 60, a minute, because I was lurking around on smogon again and it said in one of it's guides to 'select the game on the DS's main menu, as soon as the clock hits the next minute.

Again I apoligize if i'm not explaining it clearly.

I assume that you've saved inside a cave or somewhere where you can sweet scent without a problem.

I also assume it's 1:15 AM in Portugal right now. So, start your game at 1:16:30 AM. Sweet Scent when the game loads and then find your IVs. Then search for your parameters.

Ces
26th October 2011, 1:16 AM
First of all, I tried to sync my DS clock with my PC clock and the DS is now 14 seconds ahead of my PC's clock.

So I typed in 46, for 46 + 14 = 60, a minute, because I was lurking around on smogon again and it said in one of it's guides to 'select the game on the DS's main menu, as soon as the clock hits the next minute.

Again I apoligize if i'm not explaining it clearly.

Sorry, I forgot if you mentioned this but a few questions:

Where are you catching your pokemon?

Are you using sweet scent?

Edit: What are you using to check the IVs of the Pokemon?

pwnswitchclik
26th October 2011, 1:25 AM
I assume that you've saved inside a cave or somewhere where you can sweet scent without a problem.

I also assume it's 1:15 AM in Portugal right now. So, start your game at 1:16:30 AM. Sweet Scent when the game loads and then find your IVs. Then search for your parameters.

Sorry man I just missed it, I got distracted, my 1000 apologies. -_-




Sorry, I forgot if you mentioned this but a few questions:

Where are you catching your pokemon?

Are you using sweet scent?

Edit: What are you using to check the IVs of the Pokemon?

1-The Outer Cave of Giant Chasm.

2-Yes

3-Pokecheck

EDIT: I'm going offline for now, I'll be back in 21 hours from now.

kaiser soze
26th October 2011, 1:27 AM
I put the three I found in Parameter Searcher into the Config's Min and Max spots? Seems odd, but you made the guide, so I'm trusting you aren't trolling. lol
Well think about it, (for an analogy) if you need to search for the number 2, you would not want a number greater than 2 or less than 2, so you would put it in both

http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb399/ckthekaiser/Screenshot2011-07-20at54928PM.png

Ces
26th October 2011, 1:29 AM
Sorry man I just missed it, I got distracted, my 1000 apologies. -_-





1-The Outer Cave of Giant Chasm.

2-Yes

3-Pokecheck

I think pokecheck is fine, but I use the iv calc in rmg reporter. Anyways, do what dro said. Enter the game as soon as you hit 30 seconds, not a second before.

Sephiroth_Strife
26th October 2011, 1:49 AM
Well think about it, (for an analogy) if you need to search for the number 2, you would not want a number greater than 2 or less than 2, so you would put it in both
I don't always herp. But when I herp, I derp. Thank you.

Vandslaux
26th October 2011, 2:03 AM
Are egg moves even possible with C-Gear RNGing?

kaiser soze
26th October 2011, 2:04 AM
Are egg moves even possible with C-Gear RNGing?
Egg moves are alway possible; the two are completely independent processes

Ces
26th October 2011, 3:09 AM
Just RNGed a new guy (this one is purely for in-game purposes, I just love this Pokemon's design)

http://www.serebii.net/Shiny/BW/572.png

# 572 Minccino | http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/type/normal.gif | ♂ | Jolly | 10/01/2011
Egg hatched | Skyarrow Bridge | Alert to sounds. | Technician
OT: Colin | ID: 27384 | http://www.serebii.net/itemdex/sprites/pokeball.png
IVs: 31/31/31/x/x/31

Couldn't bother going for flawless or 5 flawless IVs lol

Sephiroth_Strife
26th October 2011, 3:21 AM
I don't entirely get this process and I'm finding the text guides hard to follow. I blame being ill and lack of sleep. Anyway, I'm attaching a screenshot of what my Standard Seed Inspector says. I'm Sweet Scent-ing on 5F of Celestial Tower and I was aiming for the shiny timid at PID frame 71. So now what?

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f149/seluradlez/Screenshot2011-10-25at102407PM.png

Ces
26th October 2011, 3:26 AM
Sweet scent without doing any chatot flips. Then look for the traits of the pokemon you caught. That will be your starting frame as there are no npcs on level five of cel. Tower. Do target frame minus the actual starting frame, thats the amount of chatot flips needed.

Sephiroth_Strife
26th October 2011, 3:46 AM
Sweet scent without doing any chatot flips. Then look for the traits of the pokemon you caught. That will be your starting frame as there are no npcs on level five of cel. Tower. Do target frame minus the actual starting frame, thats the amount of chatot flips needed.

Holy crap I got a lot of results so that may take a while... Target Frame is the number under Frame found right next to PID in the left section of Standard Seed Inspector, right? I'm sorry I'm making this take so long..

Ces
26th October 2011, 3:48 AM
Holy crap I got a lot of results so that may take a while... Target Frame is the number under Frame found right next to PID in the left section of Standard Seed Inspector, right? I'm sorry I'm making this take so long..

I think so, honestly I don't have the Mac program.

kaiser soze
26th October 2011, 4:02 AM
Sounds like you're doing it right. Are you sure you're in an NPC-free area though?

BTW PPRNG 1.5 can calculate the Starting PID frame for each seed, but if you're in an area with wandering NPCs the frame will increase by the time you Sweet Scent.