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Vandslaux
4th December 2011, 1:46 AM
And I hold the keypresses while talking to the delivery guy?

Currently RCing up a 2nd Chatot to learn Chatter.

Do you have to wait the pause for Chatot to do the cry? Or can you just go back forth back forth rapidly and the frame will advance?

Too Funk to Druck
4th December 2011, 1:56 AM
And I hold the keypresses while talking to the delivery guy?

Currently RCing up a 2nd Chatot to learn Chatter.

Do you have to wait the pause for Chatot to do the cry? Or can you just go back forth back forth rapidly and the frame will advance?

As soon as you press A on the DS menu, you press the keypresses, and hold them until at least the first black screen shows up.

And you don't have to wait for the pause.

TDawg
4th December 2011, 1:56 AM
@dro Your number 2 kinda is pointless because your number 3. Lol did I make sense?

drothagreat0ne
4th December 2011, 1:56 AM
You hold keypresses until the Game Freak logo.
Yea, you can go back and forth with Chatots.


*edit*

TDawg, I just noticed what you meant. lol

I'll go and edit it out.

TDawg
4th December 2011, 1:58 AM
As soon as you press A on the DS menu, you press the keypresses, and hold them until at least the first black screen shows up.

And you don't have to wait for the pause.
Yeah it's actually the second black screen like dro said

Too Funk to Druck
4th December 2011, 2:01 AM
Yeah it's actually the second black screen like dro said

It doesn't matter which one. I've stopped at the first screen and still hit my seeds perfectly fine.

Vandslaux
4th December 2011, 2:11 AM
So I just got a Lax 10-11/24-25/16-17/20-21/24-25 Victini. Where do I imput the initial seed?

Also, Do you need to set your time back to the target time after you get your initial seed?

drothagreat0ne
4th December 2011, 2:11 AM
Do you need to set your time back to the target time after you get your initial seed?

Ok. Since you have your initial frame, subtract that from your target frame.
Set the time back so that you can hit the seed again. Once the game is loaded, do the Chatot flips to your target frame.

Too Funk to Druck
4th December 2011, 2:15 AM
And a bunch of RNGs I did in the past week or so:

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/9/93/Bag_Pok%C3%A9_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/479.gif-> http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/479-wash.gif★
#627 Rotom | NN: None| Gender: None
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Timid | Hatched: 5/1/2011| Chargestone Cave
Type: Electric/Water | Ability: Levitate
Hydro Pump | Confuse Ray | Will-O-Wisp | Thunderbolt
31/26/30/31/31/31
Hidden Power:Ice 70

I did this while my laptop was still working after I fixed it. I completely forgot that the last time I had RNGed, it was on my DS, and not my friend's original DS, so I spent about two hours trying to hit seeds, before I realized none of the information in RNG Reporter was right.

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/9/93/Bag_Pok%C3%A9_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/175.gif-> http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/176.gif->http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/45/Bag_Shiny_Stone_Sprite.pnghttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/468.gif★
#175 Togepi | NN: None | Gender: ♂
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Timid | Hatched: 11/1/2011| Skyarrow Bridge
Type: Normal/Flying | Ability: Serene Grace
Growl | Charm | Nasty Plot
31/20/31/31/31/31
Hidden Power: N/A

I almost reset when I got this because I thought it was a normal Togepi. Then I went into the menu and wondered why the question marks were red. <.<

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/9/93/Bag_Pok%C3%A9_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/133.gif ->http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/3f/Bag_Water_Stone_Sprite.pnghttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/134.gif http://www.pokecheck.org/i/shiny.png
#133 Eevee | NN: None| Gender: ♂
OT: Ayumi~* | ID: 13423
Modest | Hatched: 6/7/2012| Moor of Icirrus
Type: Normal(Water) | Ability: Anticipation(Hydration)
Tail Whip | Tackle | Helping Hand
31/30/31/30/31/31
Hidden Power: Grass 70

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/9/93/Bag_Pok%C3%A9_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/595.gif ->http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/596.gif http://www.pokecheck.org/i/shiny.png
#595 Joltik | NN: None | Gender: ♀
OT: Ayumi~* | ID: 13423
Adamant | Hatched: 12/1/2011| Chargestone Cave
Type: Bug/Electric | Ability: Compoundeyes
String Shot | Leech Life | Spider Web
31/6/30/31/31/31
Hidden Power:Ice 70

This was only annoying because it had like 8 timid HP Ice shiny frames around it, and they were all female with Compoundeyes.

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/ff/Bag_Cherish_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/494.gif
#494 Victini | NN: None | Gender: None
OT: Movie14 | ID: 12031
Jolly | Recieved: 12/1/2011| Wi-Fi Gift
Type: Psychic/Fire | Ability: Victory Star
V-create | Fusion Flare | Fusion Bolt | Searing Shot
31/31/31/12/31/31

This was probably one of the easiest RNGs I've ever done. That's pretty much it.

And I'll be taking a break until I beat the E4 on Black. Then I'll be doing some legendaries.

Vandslaux
4th December 2011, 2:19 AM
Like, where do I imput the initial one's IVs, to get the initial frame?

Too Funk to Druck
4th December 2011, 2:26 AM
Like, where do I imput the initial one's IVs, to get the initial frame?

You should just copy the full seed from Time finder, paste it in the main page of RNG Reporter, making sure you change the method, generate, and then find the frame that corresponds to the nature and IVs that you got. All this assuming you actually hit your seed though.

Vandslaux
4th December 2011, 2:43 AM
I change it to Wondercard (5th gen), and nothing pops up. Am I supposed to use Method 5 PIDRNG?

Too Funk to Druck
4th December 2011, 2:44 AM
Did you click generate? Because something should come up if you copy and pasted the seed from time finder into the main page of RNG Reporter.

Vandslaux
4th December 2011, 2:50 AM
Yes, I clicked generate.

I think I'm just going to do something easier right now, like a shiny Litwick on top of Celestial Tower, where there's no WNPCs.

kaiser soze
4th December 2011, 3:34 AM
Got my flawless Adamant Victini today. Also happens to b caught on Christmas :D

Wondercards actually seem to be the easiest thing to RNG. I got it on the first try.

Vandslaux
4th December 2011, 3:36 AM
I can't help but notice that everybody hatches their RNGs, not catching them, when they don't have any egg moves.

Also, is there any place where you can catch Axew/Fraxure w/o WNPCs?

How DO you RNG where there's WNPCs?

kaiser soze
4th December 2011, 4:06 AM
I can't help but notice that everybody hatches their RNGs, not catching them, when they don't have any egg moves.

Also, is there any place where you can catch Axew/Fraxure w/o WNPCs?

How DO you RNG where there's WNPCs?
a) You can RNG ANYTHING BREEDABLE when doing eggs (read: non-Unova pokemon).
b) With a flawless (foreign?) Ditto, you get a lot more seeds in the wild compared to wild seeds when searching. And with less PID advancements.
c) Go to the cave where you find Cobalion (can't think of its name off the top of my head). 2nd floor should have Axews IIRC.
d) You need to do a test-run in the area to estimate how many PID advancements the WNPCs do, similar to eggs. Save, try to hit the seed, do one Chalot, then go to the seed examiler (or whatever the RNGreporter equivalent is) to see what PID frame you hit. PID frame hit - starting PID frame = Advancements by WNPCs. Target PID frame - Starting PID frame - advancements by WNPCs = PID advancements necessary.

Vandslaux
4th December 2011, 4:12 AM
So RNGing a flawless Ditto would be a good start for RNG breeding? Unfortunately, I don't have a Jap game.

kaiser soze
4th December 2011, 5:26 AM
So RNGing a flawless Ditto would be a good start for RNG breeding? Unfortunately, I don't have a Jap game.
Yes, it makes things incredibly easy. Every RNGer should make a goal of RNGing a Ditto and (male) Smeargle for breeding; they will help you out exponentially (and don't worry about shininess for those two, since all you need them for are breeding). I don't use a Japanese Ditto since I use one I caught myself and it usually works fine, but on occasion I'll get a foreign parent from the GTS (offer your bad shinies :P) if I got a more challenging project.

Arande
4th December 2011, 5:40 AM
Alright, poking at RNGing again. Something is bugging me. With the time finder for eggs, you use the frame on the main RNG reporter after you copy the seed and generate, as your target right? not the frame generated by time finder?

I know it probably sounds stupid, but thought I'd double check if I'm even doing it right. Those annoying wandering pokes in the day care kept throwing me off by 2 frames before.

nm. Answered my own question as I hatched what I wanted. Silly NPC's not throwing me off this time
... or so I thought. Edited before I looked at summary, apparently I hit the shiny frame 3 off my target shiny frame D: rash dratini instead of adamant. Ah well, least got he 5x flawless IV's down.

You win this round roaming NPCs

Vandslaux
4th December 2011, 5:51 AM
ok, I found a spread for a flawless non-shiny Ditto on frame 3. I'll just have to do two Chatot flips?

Also, what does the Timer0 number mean/do?

Also, do the Cottonee and Mincinno sprites in the daycare area outside mean anything related to WNPCs?

~Sam~
4th December 2011, 6:18 AM
ok i tried the guids and stuff on the first post but i just cant understand. I need some easier guide. They all seem to assume that you have RNGed before.

i still need help.... help D:

Vandslaux
4th December 2011, 6:23 AM
Same here.

I'm using repels to walk 128 steps with 2 pokemon in my party, my frame is 3, I'm going for a flawless Ditto, I'm going in the game at the right time, there's no keypresses, yet I get a Clefairy with random IVs. ???

jolteon135
4th December 2011, 7:21 AM
... or so I thought. Edited before I looked at summary, apparently I hit the shiny frame 3 off my target shiny frame D: rash dratini instead of adamant. Ah well, least got he 5x flawless IV's down.

You win this round roaming NPCs
Eggs are a 2 step process. The first step is finding your SSF (that's the part where you miss your target frame). After you find your SSF that's when you aim for your target frame. Don't assume that the RNG reporter's "Calculated Initial PIDRNG Frame" is your starting frame. You'll never hit the right frame if you're making that assumption. You need to find your starting frame (SSF) yourself.


ok, I found a spread for a flawless non-shiny Ditto on frame 3. I'll just have to do two Chatot flips?

Also, what does the Timer0 number mean/do?

Also, do the Cottonee and Mincinno sprites in the daycare area outside mean anything related to WNPCs?
Frame 3? You need to specify is it's PID Frame or IV Frame. You can't hit PID Frame 3 anyways (Chatot flipping is for advancing the PID Frame).

You don't need to know what timer0 means/does. If you're interested in all the technical RNG info you can check out the RNG research thread over at smogon but if you just want to RNG Pokemon you don't need to know what everything does. That's why we have RNG reporter to make it easier for us!

No, the Cottonee and Mincinno are not WNPCs but there are other WNPCs on the daycare route so you still have to account for them.


Same here.

I'm using repels to walk 128 steps with 2 pokemon in my party, my frame is 3, I'm going for a flawless Ditto, I'm going in the game at the right time, there's no keypresses, yet I get a Clefairy with random IVs. ???
Again you say "frame" but what does that mean? IV Frame, PID Frame? Walking 128 steps advances the IV Frame.


i still need help.... help D:
There are tons of guides on the first page. If you can't learn from any of them you're not going to find easier guides anywhere else. Perhaps try to find someone who is willing to help you one on one (not me >_>).

jirachiuser1
4th December 2011, 7:28 AM
Same here.

I'm using repels to walk 128 steps with 2 pokemon in my party, my frame is 3, I'm going for a flawless Ditto, I'm going in the game at the right time, there's no keypresses, yet I get a Clefairy with random IVs. ???

First of all check what the encounter slot for your frame is. Encounter slots determine what pokemon you get and a list can be found in the rng reporter. While your frame may be 3 your encounter slot could be one of clefairy. The clefairy should still be flawless if you hit your timer0 though.

Posting screenshots would definately help us.

Arande
4th December 2011, 7:46 AM
Eggs are a 2 step process. The first step is finding your SSF (that's the part where you miss your target frame). After you find your SSF that's when you aim for your target frame. Don't assume that the RNG reporter's "Calculated Initial PIDRNG Frame" is your starting frame. You'll never hit the right frame if you're making that assumption. You need to find your starting frame (SSF) yourself.

I know that. I was just figuring I am slow getting the egg sometime, as I'm sometimes off by 1 or 2 frames, even after adjusting with the SSF.

MSK
4th December 2011, 9:39 AM
Finally RNG's my Victini :) 21/12/11 Jolly 31/31/31/30/31/31
Was having real problems with the advances again, same as the other day and I found out what was wrong.
It appears one of my Chatot's chatter had reset to the default so my advances were only half as many as I was doing. :(
Has anyone else had their Chatot reset?
Anyway once I recorded a new chatter and hit my seed again everything was fine :)

TDawg
4th December 2011, 9:41 AM
Finally RNG's my Victini :) 21/12/11 Jolly 31/31/31/30/31/31
Was having real problems with the advances again, same as the other day and I found out what was wrong.
It appears one of my Chatot's chatter had reset to the default so my advances were only half as many as I was doing. :(
Has anyone else had their Chatot reset?
Anyway once I recorded a new chatter and hit my seed again everything was fine :)

Good job on the Victini.
And Chatot's chatter will always reset if you put them in the PC.
Also do incenses mess up the RNG at all?

The Eleventh
4th December 2011, 12:47 PM
Also do incenses mess up the RNG at all?
No, incense does not.

Vandslaux
4th December 2011, 3:58 PM
I meant IV RNG. And yes, I did 128 steps.

Idk what the timer0 even is.

And I had the right encounter slot, 6 in the Giant Chasm is Ditto.

And just confirming, for shiny flawless eggs, with a flawless Ditto, the other parent's IVs won't matter?

MSK
4th December 2011, 7:49 PM
And just confirming, for shiny flawless eggs, with a flawless Ditto, the other parent's IVs won't matter?

They won't as long as you check the inheritance of your seed.
If you have Ditto as mother then make sure seed has 3 Fe's in the inheritance or if Father 3 Ma's. if it has a mix then you will inherit stats from the Pokemon you are trying to breed and it won't be flawless.

Vandslaux
4th December 2011, 8:22 PM
I'm trying to RNG my Victini again.
Seed: 3B29FA52C027B94D
PID Frame: 105
Nature: Adamant
HP Dark 70
11/16/11 4:09:47
Timer0: 39
No keypresses

Would I just set my date to 11/16, time to 4:09, go in to the game at :46, do 104 Chatot flips, then collect it?

The Eleventh
4th December 2011, 8:36 PM
I'm trying to RNG my Victini again.
Seed: 3B29FA52C027B94D
PID Frame: 105
Nature: Adamant
HP Dark 70
11/16/11 4:09:47
Timer0: 39
No keypresses

Would I just set my date to 11/16, time to 4:09, go in to the game at :46, do 104 Chatot flips, then collect it?
You have most of it right. You need to calculate your initial PID frame, which can be done easily by right-clicking the seed, copying the full seed, and pasting it in the main window of RNG Reporter. Make sure you've filled everything in properly (see this screenshot (http://i.imgur.com/PihLD.png)), then click Calculate Initial PIDRNG Frame. For example, if your initial frame is 55, you'd do 50 Chatot flips to get to 105, as long as there are no WNPCs (Victory Road Pokémon Center is one such place).

jirachiuser1
4th December 2011, 8:37 PM
I'm trying to RNG my Victini again.
Seed: 3B29FA52C027B94D
PID Frame: 105
Nature: Adamant
HP Dark 70
11/16/11 4:09:47
Timer0: 39
No keypresses

Would I just set my date to 11/16, time to 4:09, go in to the game at :46, do 104 Chatot flips, then collect it?

Follow these steps.

1. "Copy Full Seed to Clipboard"
2. Go to the main window and paste it.
3. Select Wondercard 5th gen .
4. Click "Calculate Initial PIDRNG frame". (There should be a number now in the "Starting Frame" box)
5. Hit Generate which will list all of the PIDRNG frames from your starting frame
6. Now, hit your seed at your time. As you said, set the game to time 4:09, go in to the game at :46.
7. Take the Victini from the guy (Don't save at any cost)
8. Check Victini's nature/IVs and see if they match your Starting frame Iv's/Nature.
9. If they don't, then you messed up on the time. If they do, then look at the next step.
10. Example: My starting frame is 55. I would then load the game then do 105-55 = 50 Chatot flips to get my Flawless Victini.

Hope I helped. ^ Look at Speed's screenshot. It has everything you need to fill out.

Vandslaux
4th December 2011, 8:40 PM
So when I put in the Seed, hit the Initial PIDRNG button whatever it's called, and in the Starting Frame box, it said 51. So I'd do 54 Chatot flips and pick it up, verify nature/IVs, retry if I got it wrong?

The Eleventh
4th December 2011, 8:43 PM
So when I put in the Seed, hit the Initial PIDRNG button whatever it's called, and in the Starting Frame box, it said 51. So I'd do 54 Chatot flips and pick it up, verify nature/IVs, retry if I got it wrong?
Yes, that's all there is to it. Once you get it right once, it's very easy.

AquaRegisteel
4th December 2011, 8:49 PM
So, I'm attempting to calibrate my RNG so I can begin using it.

However, I'm mucking up at the step where I have to go and catch stuff and check the IVs of it to get a consistent timer0.

What exactly must I do to get it to be consistent?

The Eleventh
4th December 2011, 8:52 PM
What exactly must I do to get it to be consistent?
There's nothing you can do. Your Timer0 will fluctuate by itself. It can't be controlled. If you correctly enter the IVs encountered and the time at which you encountered them, you'll be fine.

jirachiuser1
4th December 2011, 8:53 PM
So, I'm attempting to calibrate my RNG so I can begin using it.

However, I'm mucking up at the step where I have to go and catch stuff and check the IVs of it to get a consistent timer0.

What exactly must I do to get it to be consistent?

What exactly do you mean? Do you catch something and enter all the info but no result shows up? Or is it that you get different Timer0 every time you try it?

Well you just need to stay consistent. Timer 0 will fluctuate. You shouldn't be doing this more than 2-3 times.

AquaRegisteel
4th December 2011, 8:57 PM
I get a different one each time, sorry. Thank you very much, I'll keep trying then...

Vandslaux
4th December 2011, 9:12 PM
So, my first try was a Modest Victini with HP Steel, which is frame 65. After I get the initial frame (obviously, this isn't it), do I need to hit my seed again?

Typhlosion X
4th December 2011, 9:19 PM
Oh boy, DSi works with standard abuse now. I don't have to borrow my brother's DS Lite anymore to fail horribly at trying to RNG. But anyway, a few things I'm confused about, I got my parameters for my DSi and wrote them down so they don't get lost, but will it affect my RNG attempts too much if I don't know what other value(s) my Timer0 will fluctuate to? In fact, here's a screenshot of my paramaters in Time Finder (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/dsparamaters.png/), if it helps anyone answer this.

Also in Time Finder, I want to RNG a Shiny Timid pent-flawless Kyurem with IVs 31/x/31/31/31/31. What method do I pick in Time Finder? Method 5 (Standard Seed) or Method 5 PIDRNG? If it's PIDRNG, do I check the Shiny Only box, if it's standard do I check the Nearby Shiny Frame search? Basically what I'm asking if that wording is confusing is should my Time Finder screen look like this one (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/pidrng.png/) or this one (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/rngstandard.png/) (if it's circled I want to know if it's correct for my target).

Too Funk to Druck
4th December 2011, 9:21 PM
So, my first try was a Modest Victini with HP Steel, which is frame 65. After I get the initial frame (obviously, this isn't it), do I need to hit my seed again?

Yeah. Everytime you mess up, you need to re-hit your seed until you get what you want.

TDawg
4th December 2011, 9:22 PM
Oh boy, DSi works with standard abuse now. I don't have to borrow my brother's DS Lite anymore to fail horribly at trying to RNG. But anyway, a few things I'm confused about, I got my parameters for my DSi and wrote them down so they don't get lost, but will it affect my RNG attempts too much if I don't know what other value(s) my Timer0 will fluctuate to? In fact, here's a screenshot of my paramaters in Time Finder (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/dsparamaters.png/), if it helps anyone answer this.

Also in Time Finder, I want to RNG a Shiny Timid pent-flawless Kyurem with IVs 31/x/31/31/31/31. What method do I pick in Time Finder? Method 5 (Standard Seed) or Method 5 PIDRNG? If it's PIDRNG, do I check the Shiny Only box, if it's standard do I check the Nearby Shiny Frame search? Basically what I'm asking if that wording is confusing is should my Time Finder screen look like this one (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/pidrng.png/) or this one (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/rngstandard.png/) (if it's circled I want to know if it's correct for my target).

You only have 1 timer0 so you don't need to worry about it fluctuating. And you need to use Standard seed but only search frame 1. and then in the main page of RNG reporter use method 5 PIDRNG.

Your last pic is more correct but you need to search only frame 1 like I said.

The Eleventh
4th December 2011, 9:24 PM
So, my first try was a Modest Victini with HP Steel, which is frame 65. After I get the initial frame (obviously, this isn't it), do I need to hit my seed again?
Your initial frame is 51, so you don't need to find it, as long as you're in a place with no WNPCs. If you did 54 Chatot flips, and got that Modest Victini, then you didn't hit your seed. Try to hit it again.

Oh boy, DSi works with standard abuse now. I don't have to borrow my brother's DS Lite anymore to fail horribly at trying to RNG. But anyway, a few things I'm confused about, I got my parameters for my DSi and wrote them down so they don't get lost, but will it affect my RNG attempts too much if I don't know what other value(s) my Timer0 will fluctuate to? In fact, here's a screenshot of my paramaters in Time Finder (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/dsparamaters.png/), if it helps anyone answer this.
Your min/max Timer0s are the same, so you shouldn't have any problems.

Basically what I'm asking if that wording is confusing is should my Time Finder screen look like this one (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/pidrng.png/) or this one (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/rngstandard.png/) (if it's circled I want to know if it's correct for my target).
The second one.

Vandslaux
4th December 2011, 9:36 PM
Is there any sort of offset with the DS clock? Like, would I do it 2 seconds before?

Typhlosion X
4th December 2011, 9:39 PM
You only have 1 timer0 so you don't need to worry about it fluctuating. And you need to use Standard seed but only search frame 1. and then in the main page of RNG reporter use method 5 PIDRNG.

Your last pic is more correct but you need to search only frame 1 like I said.

By that, do you mean set my Min/Max Frames both to 1 then click Generate and search with different months/years until I get a seed matching what I want?

The Eleventh
4th December 2011, 9:54 PM
Is there any sort of offset with the DS clock? Like, would I do it 2 seconds before?
No, one second will do. However, you'll notice you'll get different results if you press A to start the game exactly one second before your target time and half a second before your target time. It's hard to explain. For example, if your time was 12:40:31, you'd need to hit A at 12:40:30. You'd hit a different seed if you were to press A the moment the second hand hit 30 than if you were to press it slightly after it hit 30.

By that, do you mean set my Min/Max Frames both to 1 then click Generate and search with different months/years until I get a seed matching what I want?
Yes, he does.

Too Funk to Druck
4th December 2011, 9:57 PM
Is there any sort of offset with the DS clock? Like, would I do it 2 seconds before?

It's 1 second for DS originals/lites, but I'm pretty sure it's more for DSi/3DS.

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
4th December 2011, 10:00 PM
Apparently, the DSi is about the same one second delay as DS/Lite, but 3DS was mentioned to be 8 seconds instead.

Vandslaux
4th December 2011, 10:01 PM
This time, 54 Chatot flips, I hit Gentle HP Water, 381. Wth I don't even

Too Funk to Druck
4th December 2011, 10:02 PM
This time, 54 Chatot flips, I hit Gentle HP Water, 381. Wth I don't even

You're not hitting your seed. Which system are you using? Also, are you sure your Chatot's have a custom chatter?

MSK
4th December 2011, 10:07 PM
So I'm going to RNG one of those lovely Darmanitan outside the Relic Castle (I must be mad!!) So am I right in thinking you can't get rid of the sandstorm? If not then does anyone know how many frames roughly it advances the PID?

Also how does Zen mode work? Are the attack and special attack stats swapped when it changes or does it just use the other. Want to know if I need a seed with both at 31 or just attack.

Vandslaux
4th December 2011, 10:09 PM
I just recorded them prior to collecting it. Is recording them after I try to hit the seed the prob?

The Eleventh
4th December 2011, 10:15 PM
I just recorded them prior to collecting it. Is recording them after I try to hit the seed the prob?
You should have them recorded before you even hit A to start the game from the DS menu. Save with them recorded, then turn off your DS and hit your seed.

Too Funk to Druck
4th December 2011, 10:15 PM
So I'm going to RNG one of those lovely Darmanitan outside the Relic Castle (I must be mad!!) So am I right in thinking you can't get rid of the sandstorm? If not then does anyone know how many frames roughly it advances the PID?

Also how does Zen mode work? Are the attack and special attack stats swapped when it changes or does it just use the other. Want to know if I need a seed with both at 31 or just attack.

To get rid of the sandstorm:
1. Save your game and turn it off.
2. Set the game to a different month.
3. Load the game and get into an encounter.
4. Now there shouldn't be any sandstorm until you get into another battle.

I believe that's all the steps. I haven't done any abuse there in a while.


I just recorded them prior to collecting it. Is recording them after I try to hit the seed the prob?

It could be. Try recording them before you hit the seed.

Benefactor
4th December 2011, 10:15 PM
I just recorded them prior to collecting it. Is recording them after I try to hit the seed the prob?

As I told you in VM, you don't even have your parameters in so any seed you've found in RNG Reporter up to this point will not work. The parameters are very important for knowing which seed you will hit.

The Eleventh
4th December 2011, 10:22 PM
Also how does Zen mode work? Are the attack and special attack stats swapped when it changes or does it just use the other. Want to know if I need a seed with both at 31 or just attack.
Darmanitan has different stats in Standard Mode and Zen Mode; not just Attack and Special Attack are swapped. See here (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Darmanitan_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Stats) for more.

jirachiuser1
4th December 2011, 10:34 PM
As I told you in VM, you don't even have your parameters in so any seed you've found in RNG Reporter up to this point will not work. The parameters are very important for knowing which seed you will hit.

If this is true, then you need to Calibrate first before attempting RNG at all.

Links to Calibration videos are in the first post and we can help if you have any questions.

AquaRegisteel
4th December 2011, 10:38 PM
Oh yeah, are there any differences to RNGing on a DSI instead of a DS?

jirachiuser1
4th December 2011, 10:46 PM
Oh yeah, are there any differences to RNGing on a DSI instead of a DS?

There are differences. First you would need to recalibrate even is its the same game. Second, you would also need an outside clock set to the same time as your Dsi.

AquaRegisteel
4th December 2011, 10:49 PM
Ah, that's fine then. Should be doing this right then...

ShadowKyogre443
4th December 2011, 11:41 PM
I'm generally OK with RNG'ing in every generation, but I have a question with RNG'ing one of the Lake Trio in Platinum to be shiny and near-flawless. Where would I even begin? It is method J, right? :/

Shiny Resh
4th December 2011, 11:46 PM
Quick question: can you RNG on a 3DS?

jirachiuser1
4th December 2011, 11:47 PM
Quick question: can you RNG on a 3DS?

Yes you can with the latest RNG reporter.

TDawg
5th December 2011, 8:15 AM
I RNGd my Victini today but so many people have there's not really a point to show mine lol :p yay for laziness

craig87
5th December 2011, 8:25 PM
Hi there, im new to rnging but im getting there thanks to this guide. Im Currently trying to hatch a shiny flawless horsea but i cant get it shiny, i would appreciate any help or advice you can give.
3265
The highlighted one is the one im aiming for. I have two chatots with custom chatters and tried advancing the frame to 22.
Thanks in advance

The Eleventh
5th December 2011, 8:47 PM
Hi there, im new to rnging but im getting there thanks to this guide. Im Currently trying to hatch a shiny flawless horsea but i cant get it shiny, i would appreciate any help or advice you can give.
3265
The highlighted one is the one im aiming for. I have two chatots with custom chatters and tried advancing the frame to 22.
Thanks in advance
You need to copy the full seed to the main window of RNG Reporter (right click it). Then, fill out the drop-down boxes correctly (Breeding (BW)/Breeding (BW, International)) and click Calculate Initial PIDRNG frame. That'll give you your starting frame. Subtract that from the frame you want to hit, and that'll give you how many advancements you must do. The initial frame usually ranges from 40-60, so you'll find a PIDRNG frame of 22 is impossible to hit. Additionally, WNPCs, such as those on Route 3, will advance the PIDRNG frame, so you'll have to account for those.

Too Funk to Druck
5th December 2011, 10:22 PM
Remember how in the last RNGs I posted I said I would take a break until I beat the E4? Yeah, I lied:


http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/17/Bag_Heal_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/640.gif ★
#640 Virizion | NN: Verizon | Gender: N/A
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Timid | Caught: 2/2/2000 | Rumination Field
Type: Grass/Fighting | Ability: Justified
Helping Hand | Retaliate | Giga Drain | Sacred Sword
31/30/30/31/31/31
Hidden Power: Ice 70

Cobalion was supposed to be the first one, but nooo, I had to be stupid and accidentally catch it. So here's a redo of my second ever RNG, now in an acutally useful form.

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/3d/Bag_Timer_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/639.gif ★
#639 Terrakion | NN: None | Gender: N/A
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Jolly | Caught: 3/15/2000 | Trial Chamber
Type: Rock/Fighting | Ability: Justified
Helping Hand | Retaliate | Rock Slide | Sacred Sword
31/31/31/8/31/31
Hidden Power: N/A

I kept trying to advance the same number of frames as I needed for Virizion, when I needed less. So here's a useful version of my third ever RNGed Pokemon.

Scorch5688
5th December 2011, 11:14 PM
Does anyone know the dynamics of Route 15? I'm trying to RNG capture a shiny Sand Veil Gligar, but the fog in this area is giving me a problem. Apparently fog negates Sweet Scent, so I can't encounter any pokemon using it. By dynamics, I mean what times of day or months that have no fog.

Kalosian
5th December 2011, 11:16 PM
Does anyone know the dynamics of Route 15? I'm trying to RNG capture a shiny Sand Veil Gligar, but the fog in this area is giving me a problem. Apparently fog negates Sweet Scent, so I can't encounter any pokemon using it. By dynamics, I mean what times of day or months that have no fog.
Here you go, TFTD posted this just yesterday:

To get rid of the sandstorm:
1. Save your game and turn it off.
2. Set the game to a different month.
3. Load the game and get into an encounter.
4. Now there shouldn't be any sandstorm until you get into another battle.

Too Funk to Druck
5th December 2011, 11:17 PM
Does anyone know the dynamics of Route 15? I'm trying to RNG capture a shiny Sand Veil Gligar, but the fog in this area is giving me a problem. Apparently fog negates Sweet Scent, so I can't encounter any pokemon using it. By dynamics, I mean what times of day or months that have no fog.

You can get rid of the fog:

1. Save and turn off your game
2. Turn it back on and change the month.
3. Enter the game and get into a battle.
4. The fog is now gone until you get into another battle.

Edit: Ninja'd by my own post.

Scorch5688
6th December 2011, 2:58 AM
Thanks for the help with the weather. Tried it at first but didn't work. Tried again and all was right with the world. XD

Anyway, I've got another dilemma. I was planning to capture RNG a shiny HP Ground Venomoth as I wanted it to be in a net ball. Thing is, Venomoth is only found in-game at the Dreamyard, and in the dark grass. How would this work? I'm guessing synchronizers won't work, and isn't it hard to find the starting frame since there are 2 pokemon and you can only catch one of them? Basically, I'm wondering if it's possible.

TDawg
6th December 2011, 3:00 AM
Thanks for the help with the weather. Tried it at first but didn't work. Tried again and all was right with the world. XD

Anyway, I've got another dilemma. I was planning to capture RNG a shiny HP Ground Venomoth as I wanted it to be in a net ball. Thing is, Venomoth is only found in-game at the Dreamyard, and in the dark grass. How would this work? I'm guessing synchronizers won't work, and isn't it hard to find the starting frame since there are 2 pokemon and you can only catch one of them? Basically, I'm wondering if it's possible.

Definitely possible. Just Rng like you would normal and then if 2 pokes show up kill off the one you didn't want.

Zenotwapal
6th December 2011, 3:01 AM
Alright just to ask this real quick.

I RNGed my Victini recently... I got it and I have already saved. If I pick up my victini a year late, would this affect the legitamency of this event?
I'm a real picky person when it comes to this... so i just want to make sure it won't affect it...

Too Funk to Druck
6th December 2011, 3:04 AM
Alright just to ask this real quick.

I RNGed my Victini recently... I got it and I have already saved. If I pick up my victini a year late, would this affect the legitamency of this event?
I'm a real picky person when it comes to this... so i just want to make sure it won't affect it...

As long as you got Victini legitly, the date doesn't matter. Mine was a few days too early for the event to come out. The only people who would be bothered are idiots.

Scorch5688
6th December 2011, 3:11 AM
Definitely possible. Just Rng like you would normal and then if 2 pokes show up kill off the one you didn't want.

What about when finding the correct starting frame? Is it safe to assume that they'll be adjacent to each other in terms of the PID frame? Or will they be on the same frame, assuming they're the same pokemon?

Arande
6th December 2011, 4:02 AM
RNGing, off by 2 frames on the chatot flips. Ok, I'll just tryagain adjusting by those 2 frames...

next attempt, off by the 2 frames I adjusted by... I know I'm hitting my seed time, since the PIDs on the missed target pokes are all the same.

Wandering NPC trolling me?

edit, probably should mention trying for an egg.

Too Funk to Druck
6th December 2011, 4:07 AM
RNGing, off by 2 frames on the flips. Ok, I'll just tryagain adjusting by those 2 frames...

next attempt, off by the 2 frames I adjusted by... I know I'm hitting my seed time, since the PIDs on the missed target pokes are all the same.

Wandering NPC trolling me?

Maybe. Where are you RNGing at?

Edit: yeah it's the NPCs. When something like that happens to me, I tend to just find a new seed, so I can't really help with that. <<

jolteon135
6th December 2011, 5:23 AM
What about when finding the correct starting frame? Is it safe to assume that they'll be adjacent to each other in terms of the PID frame? Or will they be on the same frame, assuming they're the same pokemon?
No, if you encounter 2 Pokemon they will be from completely different seeds. Only 1 of them will be from your target seed so you'll have to guess and check (catch one and check the IVs).


RNGing, off by 2 frames on the chatot flips. Ok, I'll just tryagain adjusting by those 2 frames...

next attempt, off by the 2 frames I adjusted by... I know I'm hitting my seed time, since the PIDs on the missed target pokes are all the same.

Wandering NPC trolling me?

edit, probably should mention trying for an egg.
If you keep hitting the same frame that could be NPCs screwing you up or it could be that your Chatot's don't have a recording. Make sure you record something for your Chatot's before you save and start RNGing and remember that Chatot loses the recording when it is put into a PC box.

Pidj
6th December 2011, 10:29 AM
Hi, I've got a 3DS and never RNG'd before. I just don't get it. All I want to abuse it for is to get a normal but flawless ditto. Would anybody be able to help me out and RNG one for me?

I'm sorry if this is an unreasonable request (because I just don't know how easy it is) but it would be greatly appreciated. I could trade items/pokes for it. Don't have much to offer but please PM me if you can help me out.

Thanks

craig87
6th December 2011, 10:32 AM
You need to copy the full seed to the main window of RNG Reporter (right click it). Then, fill out the drop-down boxes correctly (Breeding (BW)/Breeding (BW, International)) and click Calculate Initial PIDRNG frame. That'll give you your starting frame. Subtract that from the frame you want to hit, and that'll give you how many advancements you must do. The initial frame usually ranges from 40-60, so you'll find a PIDRNG frame of 22 is impossible to hit. Additionally, WNPCs, such as those on Route 3, will advance the PIDRNG frame, so you'll have to account for those.

Thanks a lot mate. I was wondering how i work out how far the npcs advance the frame?

jolteon135
6th December 2011, 4:36 PM
Thanks a lot mate. I was wondering how i work out how far the npcs advance the frame?

Save in front of the daycare man, hit seed, mash X to bring up the menu as quickly as possible (when you enter the game), exit the menu and take the egg as quickly as possible. Hatch the egg and find the PID Frame that matches your hatched egg. The matching PID Frame should be near your "Calculated Initial PIDRNG Frame." The matching PID Frame is your actual starting frame (with NPC advancement accounted for) so from there just figure out how many frames you need to advance to get to your target frame and redo it.

craig87
6th December 2011, 6:15 PM
Save in front of the daycare man, hit seed, mash X to bring up the menu as quickly as possible (when you enter the game), exit the menu and take the egg as quickly as possible. Hatch the egg and find the PID Frame that matches your hatched egg. The matching PID Frame should be near your "Calculated Initial PIDRNG Frame." The matching PID Frame is your actual starting frame (with NPC advancement accounted for) so from there just figure out how many frames you need to advance to get to your target frame and redo it.

Thankyou mate it worked straight away and everything was right (nature, ability, gender, ivs, shiny). Appreciate it thank you very much!

The Eleventh
6th December 2011, 7:12 PM
Thankyou mate it worked straight away and everything was right (nature, ability, gender, ivs, shiny). Appreciate it thank you very much!
Congrats. I hope you have a lot more success with RNGing in the future. (:

Too Funk to Druck
6th December 2011, 7:22 PM
And here are two of my three last RNGs for a while (unless I do a roamer, which isn't going to happen):


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#643 Reshiram | NN: None | Gender: N/A
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Timid | Caught: 12/12/2011 | N's Castle
Type: Dragon/Fire | Ability: Turboblaze
Dragonbreath | Slash | Extrasensory | Fusion Flare
31/2/31/31/31/31
Hidden Power: N/A

I couldn't hit the first seed I used at all, but when I changed the seed, I was perfectly fine. I just wish I had RNGed Zekrom on White instead of just catching it. <.<

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/17/Bag_Heal_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/637.gif ★
#637 Volcarona | NN: None | Gender: ♀
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Timid | Caught: 2/2/2000 | Relic Castle
Type: Bug/Fire | Ability: Flame Body
Silver Wind | Quiver Dance | Heat Wave | Bug Buzz
31/30/30/31/31/31
Hidden Power: Ice 70

This is the first time I've ever advance over a hundred times and not miscount. I almost missed it because I stupidly let it set up on me, but I ended up catching it in one ball. Yay.

And now to get Kyurem. If I can find a good spread. <.<

MSK
6th December 2011, 9:52 PM
[QUOTE=Too Funk to Druck;13839480]

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/17/Bag_Heal_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/637.gif ★
#637 Volcarona | NN: None | Gender: N/A
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Timid | Caught: 2/2/2000 | Relic Castle
Type: Bug/Fire | Ability: Flame Body
Silver Wind | Quiver Dance | Heat Wave | Bug Buzz
31/30/30/31/31/31
Hidden Power: Ice 70

This is the first time I've ever advance over a hundred times and not miscount. I almost missed it because I stupidly let it set up on me, but I ended up catching it in one ball. Yay.[/center]

Well done, I actually caught my Volcarona as well today

17/8/11 - Timid Shiny 31/30/31/31/31/31 HP Dragon 70, I had to do 1132 advances though!!! And I fluffed it by 1 the first time lol. Caught it in a quick ball 2nd turn after a Hyper Voice from my Hydreigon

ShadowKyogre443
6th December 2011, 11:15 PM
Hi there, im new to rnging but im getting there thanks to this guide. Im Currently trying to hatch a shiny flawless horsea but i cant get it shiny, i would appreciate any help or advice you can give.
3265
The highlighted one is the one im aiming for. I have two chatots with custom chatters and tried advancing the frame to 22.
Thanks in advance

To be honest I'd RNG that on a 4rth egn. game. Much easier.

The Eleventh
7th December 2011, 7:47 PM
To be honest I'd RNG that on a 4rth egn. game. Much easier.
In no way is RNGing on Gen IV easier than Gen V when aiming for flawless IVs. Hatching shiny eggs with certain natures is simple, but RNGing IVs is painful.

MSK
8th December 2011, 5:57 AM
Still haven't RNG'd my roamer yet, trying to find a good shiny seed in the summer months. Have a couple of possibilities (did have some really good seeds but PID advances were only at 300-400 and I read somewhere you need to start at least 650?)
Just wanted to know when I actually do the RNG once I see him and he shows up shiny in my Pokedex then I take it he will have the desired IV's, do I have to catch him straight away or can I come back to him later? Was wondering if leaving him roaming will make anything change or will they be permanantly set then?

jolteon135
8th December 2011, 7:23 AM
Still haven't RNG'd my roamer yet, trying to find a good shiny seed in the summer months. Have a couple of possibilities (did have some really good seeds but PID advances were only at 300-400 and I read somewhere you need to start at least 650?)
Just wanted to know when I actually do the RNG once I see him and he shows up shiny in my Pokedex then I take it he will have the desired IV's, do I have to catch him straight away or can I come back to him later? Was wondering if leaving him roaming will make anything change or will they be permanantly set then?

All the roamer info is set when it flies off outside the house on route 7. The only way to reset it is to faint it and beat the elite 4 (not advised). So no, leaving it roaming will not change anything. Also you can hit frames as low as 450 if you change the season before you save inside the house (so that there's no season change message when you exit) so you can look for lower than 650.

MSK
8th December 2011, 9:00 PM
All the roamer info is set when it flies off outside the house on route 7. The only way to reset it is to faint it and beat the elite 4 (not advised). So no, leaving it roaming will not change anything. Also you can hit frames as low as 450 if you change the season before you save inside the house (so that there's no season change message when you exit) so you can look for lower than 650.

Cool thanks, that's my next stop after Kyurem. Stuck on him at moment, 2 attempts at capturing him Shiny and both times he's avoided every ball I've thrown and knocked himself out :(

-Raiga-
9th December 2011, 8:37 PM
Just completed my first hatched RNG, and first shiny RNG at the same time. I realize its not the most uncommon rng there is, but because stealth rock is only available as a tm in 4th gen, and that translates to mt.silver in ss, which I only completed half of kanto...So basically it took some time to finish that stuff up, but then I just put leech seed and stealth rock on grotle, breed it with a rng'd sassy flawless ferroseed, and then finally took the male result and breed it with the female to finally get this.

It was fun, although I can't see myself doing it too often due to how annoying counting frames with chatot is.


http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/597.gif ★#597 Ferroseed | Gender: M
OT: Varona | ID: 05560 Sassy | Hatched: 12/9/2011 | Route 3
Type: Grass/Steel | Ability: Iron Barbs
Egg moves: Leech seed | Stealth Rock
Normal moves: Curse | Tackle
IV's: 31|31|31|?|31|0

Kalosian
9th December 2011, 11:43 PM
It was fun, although I can't see myself doing it too often due to how annoying counting frames with chatot is.
You find it annoying? I guess you will have to get used to it if you want to keep utilizing RNG manipulation. I don't find it annoying at all unless I am doing more than 200 chatters.
Good job on the Ferroseed nonetheless, I did an almost identical one not too long ago.

MSK
10th December 2011, 11:00 AM
I'm having a nightmare breeding at the moment, my Timer keeps trolling every other time :(
I hit my seed but end up one Chatot advance off, then the next time the timer has trolled. When I get back to my correct timer I end up 1 or 2 off again!!!
So annoying

-Raiga-
10th December 2011, 6:43 PM
You find it annoying? I guess you will have to get used to it if you want to keep utilizing RNG manipulation. I don't find it annoying at all unless I am doing more than 200 chatters.
Good job on the Ferroseed nonetheless, I did an almost identical one not too long ago.

Yeah, I was around 150-ish for this one. And put it this way, my problem with counting is just due to how annoying pin-pointing the starting frame on this one was. I had around 7 frames at the start that were identical, so instead I just used the calculated initial frame, counted what should get me to the shiny frame(if that was the actual starting frame), and figured I'd either get the shiny or an actual number of where it is then.

So basically, for someone who does zero competetive battling or who doesn't have a shop, this particular scenario was annoying.

And thank you, like I said, I realize it wasn't the most original rng, but I'm making it for a trade.

The Eleventh
10th December 2011, 8:31 PM
http://i.imgur.com/6n7Bq.gif
#643 レシラム
OT: Cian | ID: 00679 | Gender: N/A
Nature: Timid | Ability: Turboblaze | Type: Dragon/Fire
Catch Location: N's Castle | Hidden Power: Dark 70
Moves: DragonBreath / Slash / Extrasensory / Fusion Flare
IVs: 31/27/31/31/31/31

I finished the main story of my Black version today, so RNGed this. I got it on the first go, which was nice. Next up, I hope to RNG Tornadus and the other legendaries, as well as Smeargle and Ditto so I can use them as foreign parents on my English White.

Too Funk to Druck
10th December 2011, 8:36 PM
I just caught Kyurem, so Tornadus is all I have left to do. Luckily for me, my laptop works again, so I have two computers to use to search for seeds. I may just catch it non-shiny though, since I don't like it in the first place.

The Eleventh
11th December 2011, 11:49 AM
Yes! I got my shiny Tornadus. Well, I haven't caught it yet, but I've released it as shiny successfully. That only took two hours. Time to go catch it!

EDIT:


★http://i.imgur.com/VBthC.gif★
#641 トルネロス
OT: Cian | ID: 00679 | Gender: M
Nature: Jolly | Ability: Prankster | Type: Flying
Catch Location: Route 9 | Hidden Power: Dark 59
Moves: Revenge / Air Cutter / Extrasensory / Agility
IVs: 31/31/31/9/31/31

I caught it in a Dusk Ball. I didn't find this RNG very difficult, so I hope to RNG Thundurus in my White version. I won't be able to go for a shiny one, since I haven't RNGed my ID/SID, so it'll be a bit more tricky working out if hit the right PIDRNG frame. I have other stuff I want to do before I try for Thundurus, though.

andregon
11th December 2011, 6:36 PM
can anyone tell me how to RNG abuse wondercard pokemon?

Too Funk to Druck
11th December 2011, 6:41 PM
can anyone tell me how to RNG abuse wondercard pokemon?

Assuming you know how to RNG normally in Gen 5, it's basically the same thing as RNGing anything else. The main difference is that the PIDRNG and the IVRNG are the same for Wondercard RNGs. You should also make sure you're in a Pokemon Center with no wandering NPCs. The Pokemon League Center is one good once, and I also used Opelucid's Pokemon Center(in Black though. I assume it's the same in White).

andregon
11th December 2011, 6:54 PM
Assuming you know how to RNG normally in Gen 5, it's basically the same thing as RNGing anything else. The main difference is that the PIDRNG and the IVRNG are the same for Wondercard RNGs. You should also make sure you're in a Pokemon Center with no wandering NPCs. The Pokemon League Center is one good once, and I also used Opelucid's Pokemon Center(in Black though. I assume it's the same in White).

I did a few rng abuse. And i can tell stationary rng it's a piece of cake, but i can't still figure out how to rng wonder card.
I followed this tutorial:
http://www.smogon.com/ingame/rng/bw_rng_part6

i think my problem lies in frames.
Is the starting frame of wondercards 55?

and how do i advance frames? steps or chatot?

Too Funk to Druck
11th December 2011, 6:55 PM
No, that's just the recommended frame to use for searches. I believe the starting frame for Wondercards is similar to the starting PIDRNG frame in regular RNGing.

andregon
11th December 2011, 7:05 PM
No, that's just the recommended frame to use for searches. I believe the starting frame for Wondercards is similar to the starting PIDRNG frame in regular RNGing.

what do i have to do in order to find my starting frame?

Too Funk to Druck
11th December 2011, 7:09 PM
what do i have to do in order to find my starting frame?

Go to the main screen of RNG Reporter, set the Method to Wondercard(5th Gen), copy and paste the seed you find in Time finder, and the click 'Calculate Initial PIDRNG Frame. That'll show you your starting frame.

andregon
11th December 2011, 7:20 PM
Go to the main screen of RNG Reporter, set the Method to Wondercard(5th Gen), copy and paste the seed you find in Time finder, and the click 'Calculate Initial PIDRNG Frame. That'll show you your starting frame.

IT WORKED!!11!!111!1!!!!eleven!!

Thank you very much.

white version rng victini check
Black version rng victini check

Too Funk to Druck
11th December 2011, 7:22 PM
IT WORKED!!11!!111!1!!!!eleven!!

Thank you very much.

You're welcome. Glad I could help. :3

Pokemon Whisperer Natural Harmonia Gropius
12th December 2011, 6:16 PM
How exactly do I get my SID? I went to Pokecheck...but I don't know what to do next... :/

The Eleventh
12th December 2011, 7:26 PM
How exactly do I get my SID? I went to Pokecheck...but I don't know what to do next... :/
Follow the instructions on the website, then upload a Pokémon. Refresh the page once you've tried to deposit a Pokémon, and click it. Your ID and SID, along with many other useful details, will be found on that Pokémon's page.

Pokemon Whisperer Natural Harmonia Gropius
12th December 2011, 9:45 PM
What exactly should I do first when attempting to RNG? I have my Ds's Mac address and all.

The Eleventh
12th December 2011, 9:52 PM
What exactly should I do first when attempting to RNG? I have my Ds's Mac address and all.
Have you found your parameters? If not, check out this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4zNQH9cC3w) and the guides listed in the OP of this thread.

Too Funk to Druck
13th December 2011, 12:36 AM
Pretty much the last two RNGs I'll do on my Black before I start it over:


http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/6d/Bag_Master_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/646.gif ★
#646 Kyurem | NN: None | Gender: N/A
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Timid | Caught: 7/28/2000 | Giant Chasm
Type:Dragon/Ice | Ability: Pressure
Glaciate | Dragon Pulse | Imprison | Endeavor
30/6/31/30/31/30
Hidden Power:Fire 70

Hit the seed easily. I didn't even mess up on advancements like I normally do. Then I fainted it. Then I did it again, without messing up, and attempted to catch it in Dive Balls. Ha ha, no. So, it just ended up in a Master Ball.

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/06/Bag_Dusk_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/641.gif ★
#641 Tornadus | NN: None | Gender: ♂
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Jolly | Caught: 2/1/2000 | Route 13
Type:Flying | Ability: Prankster
Revenge | Air Cutter | Extrasensory | Agility
31/31/31/0/31/31
Hidden Power:N/A

Decided I would try to get this without finding my starting seed. 30 or so Tornadus's late, I got this. I would've tried for a shiny, but since I didn't RNG my TID/SID, I didn't feel like looking for a seed, so I just settled with a non-shiny seed.

That's pretty much all the legends I can do on Black now. I'm gonna do a little more breeding and then I'm gonna restart Black.

The Eleventh
13th December 2011, 5:29 PM
Decided I would try to get this without finding my starting seed. 30 or so Tornadus's late, I got this. I would've tried for a shiny, but since I didn't RNG my TID/SID, I didn't feel like looking for a seed, so I just settled with a non-shiny seed.
May I ask, how did you figure out if you had hit the correct PIDRNG frame since your Tornadus isn't shiny? Did you catch him every time?

Too Funk to Druck
13th December 2011, 8:16 PM
May I ask, how did you figure out if you had hit the correct PIDRNG frame since your Tornadus isn't shiny? Did you catch him every time?

Yup. It was a horrible idea honestly.

MSK
13th December 2011, 10:39 PM
Finally pulled my finger out and got my parameters for my Jap Black, should've done this ages ago as have wasted a few events now.

But on a positive note have just RNG'd

Mewtwo - 3/1/11 Mild 31/31/31/31/27/31.

Went with Mild as all the flawless spreads spreads had worse natures. So decided dropping Def would be a reasonable hit as Sp Def already bit lower IV wise, while keeping both Speed and At high,and Sp At an even bigger boost. ;)

Now I'm going to find a seed for the Thundurus event on Friday. Which in turn will allow me to get at the Landorus :)

Busy Busy Busy

Plus RNG bred the following today on my UK Black

3x Gastly Timid Flawless Shiny
Panpour Timid Flawless Shiny

used the same seed for all of them, lazy I know but just proving to myself I can hit them consistently.

TDawg
14th December 2011, 12:52 AM
What frame do roamers start on? IV and PID.

Too Funk to Druck
14th December 2011, 1:14 AM
IV frame is 1. PID frame depends on the season. I think the lowest it can go is around 450 when the season is Summer, and as long as you don't have the season change come up.

TDawg
14th December 2011, 5:32 AM
IV frame is 1. PID frame depends on the season. I think the lowest it can go is around 450 when the season is Summer, and as long as you don't have the season change come up.

Alright cool. Thanks

The Eleventh
14th December 2011, 7:03 PM
What frame do roamers start on? IV and PID.
As TFTD answered, the IV frame is 1. Here are the average PID frames, from the Smogon guide (http://www.smogon.com/ingame/rng/bw_rng_part7).

No weather: 550-750
Rain (aside from Roamer-created rain): 1500-1900
Snow: 260-300

TDawg
14th December 2011, 11:33 PM
Okay so since I am trying to RNG my ID/SID I should shoot for a 550-750 seed right? Because I am going to get it on a summer month.

Vandslaux
15th December 2011, 12:05 AM
For until I get a Ditto, should I just use my Jap. Flawless Male Blaziken for RNG breeding in the Ground egg group, just not doing egg moves right now?

TDawg
15th December 2011, 12:42 AM
For until I get a Ditto, should I just use my Jap. Flawless Male Blaziken for RNG breeding in the Ground egg group, just not doing egg moves right now?

If you wanted. RNGing a Flawless ditto would probably be better idea though

EDIT: 4th Gen RNG question.
Do I need to calibrate HGSS to my RNG Reporter like 5th Gen? I don't see any parameter thingy or whatever. :S

The Eleventh
15th December 2011, 5:51 PM
EDIT: 4th Gen RNG question.
Do I need to calibrate HGSS to my RNG Reporter like 5th Gen? I don't see any parameter thingy or whatever. :S
No, you don't. You'll need to find average delays and the sort, but parameters aren't used to get these.

I'm going to RNG the new Thundurus event as soon as I find a seed. I need one for Kyurem first, since I'm currently saved in front of it.

EDIT:


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#646 キュレム
OT: Cian | ID: 00679 | Gender: N/A
Nature: Timid | Ability: Pressure | Type: Dragon/Ice
Catch Location: Giant Cavern | Hidden Power: Fire 70
Moves: Glaciate / Dragon Pulse / Imprison / Endeavor
IVs: 31/26/31/30/31/30

I caught Kyurem. It was harder than I expected, actually. Endeavor was very annoying, and since I used Dive Balls, it took a while for me to catch it. I had hoped to get Thundurus also done tonight, but I've got studying to do. :/

MSK
15th December 2011, 10:50 PM
Ok so they've announced the VGC for this year and it's earlier than expected in March!!
Gotta get RNG'ing big style to get my team ready.

I'm wondering though, will people try to get me banned if my entire team is Shiny?? lol
They might think I've been hacking, so how do they actually check?

TDawg
16th December 2011, 12:04 AM
If you say you RNG you should be fine.

MSK
16th December 2011, 12:05 AM
Ok bit confused tonight. Trying to RNG my Jap Thundurus Wondercard.
Have been hitting the seed and flips every time. I get the correct nature, but the IV's are for 2 flips more??? Done it every time, if I do 2 less flips I get the IV's but the wrong nature??
Really confused as I can't see it being a Timer0 fluctuation as that would put my IV's out completely.
Has anyone else had this?

Mycul99
16th December 2011, 2:13 AM
yeah ive had a similar problem with my tornadus,

the IVs are correct but the nature RNG reporter is saying is off if using the
Wondercard (5th Gen) method, dropdown.

If you switch it to UNGL Wondercard (5th Gen) in the drop down the IVs and the frame that you get matches up, for example,

for my tornadus i am aiming for Frame 60 which is timid nature 31/6/30/31/31/31
but when i hit my seed and do the right flips im getting the IVs of frame 60 but the nature of frame 61, which is mild,

but when i switch it to UNGL wondercard, it says frame 60 is mild 31/6/30/31/31/31

What is UNGL wondercard? does anyone know?

TDawg
16th December 2011, 4:01 AM
No, you don't. You'll need to find average delays and the sort, but parameters aren't used to get these.

I'm going to RNG the new Thundurus event as soon as I find a seed. I need one for Kyurem first, since I'm currently saved in front of it.

EDIT:


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#646 キュレム
OT: Cian | ID: 00679 | Gender: N/A
Nature: Timid | Ability: Pressure | Type: Dragon/Ice
Catch Location: Giant Cavern | Hidden Power: Fire 70
Moves: Glaciate / Dragon Pulse / Imprison / Endeavor
IVs: 31/26/31/30/31/30

I caught Kyurem. It was harder than I expected, actually. Endeavor was very annoying, and since I used Dive Balls, it took a while for me to catch it. I had hoped to get Thundurus also done tonight, but I've got studying to do. :/

Thanks for the info Speed^^ and nice Kyurem.

MSK
16th December 2011, 6:20 AM
yeah ive had a similar problem with my tornadus,

the IVs are correct but the nature RNG reporter is saying is off if using the
Wondercard (5th Gen) method, dropdown.

If you switch it to UNGL Wondercard (5th Gen) in the drop down the IVs and the frame that you get matches up, for example,

for my tornadus i am aiming for Frame 60 which is timid nature 31/6/30/31/31/31
but when i hit my seed and do the right flips im getting the IVs of frame 60 but the nature of frame 61, which is mild,

but when i switch it to UNGL wondercard, it says frame 60 is mild 31/6/30/31/31/31

What is UNGL wondercard? does anyone know?

Hmm, I'm still using Reporter 9.81 and don't have the UNGL wondercard option, but would be intrigued to know what it means if anyone can shed light??

Anyway worked around my problem, just found a seed where the nature I wanted was 2 frames before my IV's.
And now I have my flawless Naive Thundurus :)

TDawg
16th December 2011, 8:00 AM
Hmm, I'm still using Reporter 9.81 and don't have the UNGL wondercard option, but would be intrigued to know what it means if anyone can shed light??

Anyway worked around my problem, just found a seed where the nature I wanted was 2 frames before my IV's.
And now I have my flawless Naive Thundurus :)

It means Unlocked Nature, Gender Lock. But it's going to be changed within the next update to GLAN (Gender Lock, Any Nature).

The Eleventh
16th December 2011, 5:06 PM
It means Unlocked Nature, Gender Lock. But it's going to be changed within the next update to GLAN (Gender Lock, Any Nature).
So should I be using this option to search for seeds for Thundurus, since he's male-only, but can have any nature?

Too Funk to Druck
16th December 2011, 9:14 PM
So should I be using this option to search for seeds for Thundurus, since he's male-only, but can have any nature?

Yeah, that's the gist of it.

Vandslaux
16th December 2011, 11:16 PM
I think I'm calibrating wrong. I catch the stationary legend, enter it's IV range, imput the time I HRed, and I get no results. ??? I filled everything to the right out as well, selecting my DS system, game, etc.

TDawg
16th December 2011, 11:39 PM
You're not touching any buttons before the star animation correct?

Vandslaux
17th December 2011, 1:12 AM
Speaking of star animation, will skipping through it affect the RNG?

At least, I don't think I am.

Going to go save in front of the first legend I plan to RNG, Cobalion, to find my Parameters.

TDawg
17th December 2011, 3:18 AM
Speaking of star animation, will skipping through it affect the RNG?

At least, I don't think I am.

Going to go save in front of the first legend I plan to RNG, Cobalion, to find my Parameters.

No it won't. But DO NOT touch anything before.

The Eleventh
18th December 2011, 7:33 PM
★http://i.imgur.com/6X0CO.gif★
#037 Vulpix
OT: Cian | ID: 64231 | Gender: F
Nature: Timid | Ability: Drought | Type: Fire
Hatch Location: Lostlorn Forest | Hidden Power: Fighting 70
Egg Moves: Disable / Hypnosis / Heat Wave / Extrasensory
IVs: 31/31/30/30/30/30

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#092 Gastly
OT: Cian | ID: 64231 | Gender: M
Nature: Timid | Ability: Levitate | Type: Ghost/Poison
Hatch Location: Lostlorn Forest | Hidden Power: Dragon 70
Egg Moves: Disable
IVs: 31/2/31/31/31/31

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#638 コバルオン
OT: Cian | ID: 00679 | Gender: N/A
Nature: Jolly | Ability: Justified | Type: Steel/Fighting
Catch Location: Guidance Chamber | Hidden Power: Dark 70
Moves: Helping Hand / Retaliate / Iron Head / Sacred Sword
IVs: 31/31/31/15/31/31

These are the RNGs I got done over the weekend. I gave Vulpix those egg moves just because I can. xD I suspect I'll only use one or two in the end, but they're nice to have. I'm looking forward to EV training them. I caught Cobalion in a Quick Ball, so it took some time to catch it. It was worth it, though. I've still yet to pick up Thundurus, as I haven't found a suitable seed.

MSK
18th December 2011, 8:02 PM
Just caught my Landorus on Jap Black. Brave Shiny 31/31/31/31/22/31

Darn wandering NPC in the area meant it took me a few go's to hit it but finally got there.
Only reason I went Brave was most of my seeds were coming out with 10000+ flips for shiny whereas this was only 20!!! lol

Now I can trade my Chatot's back to UK Black and get back to RNG breeding ready for the VGC in March :)

foxyman1167
19th December 2011, 2:30 AM
Lemme get an honest answer here.

Is it easier to RNG on DPPtHGSS or Black/White? From what I understand, DPPt uses the Poketch, while BW uses the C-Gear.

I hear Wonder Card pokemon are easier to RNG, what about Gift Pokemon like Fossils?

I wanted to RNG for an Omanyte with HP [Grass] or HP [Electric] (haven't decided yet), and there is no way in hell I'm gonna breed for it.

Too Funk to Druck
19th December 2011, 2:44 AM
Black and White. You don't need to use the c-gear for anything but entralink Pokemon. Unlike DPPt, you only need to enter the game at the exact second for BW. I recommend starting with BW for RNGing.

foxyman1167
19th December 2011, 3:28 AM
I'm trying to find my DS' Mac Address, using the DS' Parameters, but I'm not sure I'm doing it right, I got the exact same set of numbers with three pokemon.

I started the DS each time on the dot of 12:27:00, 12/19/11. Started mashing the A Button when N's Castle appeared, and Sweet Scent'd for three pokemon, two Boldore's and a Woobat.

Both Boldore's were the exact same, nature, gender, stats, etc.
Woobat was male, Relaxed, Quick to Flee, 7-9/8-9/0-2/21-23/17-18/29

Entered White Version, English, and DS/DS Lite, hit Search. Each time, the Mac Address is blank, and I have the same exact numbers.

Seconds: 0 - 10
VCount: 50 - 70
Time0: C60 - CA0
GxStat: 6
VFrame: 0

What am I doing wrong?

Too Funk to Druck
19th December 2011, 3:39 AM
You need your MAC address. All you have to do is go to WFC settings -> options -> System Information, and you'll find it

foxyman1167
19th December 2011, 3:44 AM
You need your MAC address. All you have to do is go to WFC settings -> options -> System Information, and you'll find it

Thanks.

So I'm inputting IVs, version, DS, Mac Address, and it's not finding any results...

I'll try a different time and date, see if that changes anything.

When I enter the time I press A, if I use 8PM, do I enter 08:00:00 or 20:00:00?

EDIT: Got proper results this time, will repeat a few more times, and go from there.

Which is a better idea, hatching Omanyte or SRing for Omanyte from fossil revival?

TDawg
19th December 2011, 5:14 AM
Thanks.

So I'm inputting IVs, version, DS, Mac Address, and it's not finding any results...

I'll try a different time and date, see if that changes anything.

When I enter the time I press A, if I use 8PM, do I enter 08:00:00 or 20:00:00?

EDIT: Got proper results this time, will repeat a few more times, and go from there.

Which is a better idea, hatching Omanyte or SRing for Omanyte from fossil revival?

First Question: 20:00:00

And 2nd: Hatching Omanyte from good parents. That way if you wanted a shiny one, you could get it. And it's way easier to get a seed that way as long as you have at least one flawless parent, but it isn't completely necessary.

Vandslaux
19th December 2011, 5:19 AM
Wait, what? You're supposed to enter the time you enter the game? Makes a shitload more sense now. I was entering the time I hard resetted, is that why I wasn't getting any results? Is this also why I have been unable to hit my seeds?

TDawg
19th December 2011, 5:23 AM
Wait, what? You're supposed to enter the time you enter the game? Makes a shitload more sense now. I was entering the time I hard resetted, is that why I wasn't getting any results? Is this also why I have been unable to hit my seeds?

Why are you hard resetting? There is no need.-.- Yes that is why.

Vandslaux
19th December 2011, 5:26 AM
Do I enter the time I enter the game or the time I talk to the legendary?

TDawg
19th December 2011, 5:27 AM
The time you start the game from the DS menu.

foxyman1167
19th December 2011, 5:42 AM
Do you have to do this SRing Sweet Scenting stuff every time, or just once?

Too Funk to Druck
19th December 2011, 5:53 AM
Do you have to do this SRing Sweet Scenting stuff every time, or just once?

You only need to find your parameters once, unless you change games/systems.

foxyman1167
19th December 2011, 5:57 AM
You only need to find your parameters once, unless you change games/systems.

Thank goodness, this is a bit annoying to figure out, but I shouldn't complain about the results.

Vandslaux
19th December 2011, 6:07 AM
Can anybody help me find my Black SID? I want to go find my parameters, then go catch a shiny HP Ice Naive Landorus after I catch Tornadus.

Also, to get good shiny flawless spreads, will I have to restart my game and RNG my TID? I can accept pent-flawless spreads.

TDawg
19th December 2011, 9:38 AM
Can anybody help me find my Black SID? I want to go find my parameters, then go catch a shiny HP Ice Naive Landorus after I catch Tornadus.

Also, to get good shiny flawless spreads, will I have to restart my game and RNG my TID? I can accept pent-flawless spreads.

Use pokecheck.org

No you should be fine. If you want exceptionally low seeds or to get a good seed for a roamer then that's the only reason to RNG you TID/SID combo. Otherwise if you just want penta flawless your fine.

Vandslaux
19th December 2011, 2:24 PM
Pokecheck doesn't work with my internet.

Also, will anything happen with my seed if I mash A through the intro?

~Selene~
19th December 2011, 2:50 PM
you can button mash only after youve said no to turning on the pokegear, if you do it before you will mess up, only press a once to continue when the stars fly in on the opening scene.

As for your SID, catch a wild patrat or something and pm/vm me your fc. I'll find it for you.

Too Funk to Druck
19th December 2011, 3:23 PM
you can button mash only after youve said no to turning on the pokegear, if you do it before you will mess up, only press a once to continue when the stars fly in on the opening scene.

As for your SID, catch a wild patrat or something and pm/vm me your fc. I'll find it for you.

I button mash after the stars fly, and I don't mess up. :/ Depends in the person doing it I guess.

~Selene~
19th December 2011, 3:34 PM
I can never hit my seed doing that, but thats more my fingers cramping up probably. I'll try again though.

foxyman1167
19th December 2011, 6:16 PM
I button mash after the stars fly, and I don't mess up. :/ Depends in the person doing it I guess.

Same here, I button mash as soon as I see the GF meteor.

Okay, now that is the fifth time I've gotten the same Docile Boldore (♂) L39, Alert To Sounds.

Am I doing something right or something wrong?

Each time I boot the game, I start at 3/26/2011, 04:20:00, and start mashing A after I see the comet.

I got VCount 60 / Time0 C7F / GxStat 6 / VFrame 6

Where do I go from here? The OP says DS/Game configuration settings, is that part of RNGReporter?

The Eleventh
19th December 2011, 7:22 PM
Same here, I button mash as soon as I see the GF meteor.

Okay, now that is the fifth time I've gotten the same Docile Boldore (♂) L39, Alert To Sounds.

Am I doing something right or something wrong?

Each time I boot the game, I start at 3/26/2011, 04:20:00, and start mashing A after I see the comet.
You should be getting the exact same Pokémon if you start the game at the same time during each attempt, so you're doing fine. That's how the RNG works in Gen V; it's completely time-based. You should try out a few different random times to make sure you get the same parameter results each time. Here's a tip: If you use times like 12:30:30, you won't have to wait for the clock to go around to the next minute. It can help speed up the process. Also, you don't need to mash A to get into the game as fast as possible in Gen V (you can if you want; it makes no difference). Just make sure you don't press any buttons until the Nintendo logo appears.

You're on the right track. You've done everything right so far, just try out some other times (two or three) to ensure you're getting the correct parameters.

foxyman1167
19th December 2011, 7:23 PM
You should be getting the exact same Pokémon if you start the game at the same time during each attempt, so you're doing fine. That's how the RNG works in Gen V; it's completely time-based. You should try out a few different random times to make sure you get the same parameter results each time. Here's a tip: If you use times like 12:30:30, you won't have to wait for the clock to go around to the next minute. It can help speed up the process. Also, you don't need to mash A to get into the game as fast as possible in Gen V (you can if you want; it makes no difference). Just make sure you don't press any buttons until the Nintendo logo appears.

You're on the right track. You've done everything right so far, just try out some other times (two or three) to ensure you're getting the correct parameters.

Good to know, I'll try some other times now. Where I go from there, I don't know, but hopefully I'll figure it out :3

Tried a different date, got the same Durant (♂) L42 Docile Likes To Fight, but when I enter the IVs in the Parameter finder, I get no results?

I'm gonna try again on a different date, using a different Pokemon.

I tried it two more times, with two different Boldore's that appeared twice and three times.

TDawg
19th December 2011, 8:37 PM
Good to know, I'll try some other times now. Where I go from there, I don't know, but hopefully I'll figure it out :3

Tried a different date, got the same Durant (♂) L42 Docile Likes To Fight, but when I enter the IVs in the Parameter finder, I get no results?

I'm gonna try again on a different date, using a different Pokemon.

I tried it two more times, with two different Boldore's that appeared twice and three times.

Are you filling out the min and max like you should be or 1 exact IV for each box?

foxyman1167
20th December 2011, 12:54 AM
Are you filling out the min and max like you should be or 1 exact IV for each box?

I'm definitely filling out the min max.

Could the problem be that sometimes Cheren is there? Or does that matter?

~Selene~
20th December 2011, 12:56 AM
Your supposed to sweet scent as soon as you enter the game without moving.

TDawg
20th December 2011, 3:13 AM
I'm definitely filling out the min max.

Could the problem be that sometimes Cheren is there? Or does that matter?

You wanna sweet scent to the room to the right of Cheren

Too Funk to Druck
20th December 2011, 3:39 AM
I'm definitely filling out the min max.

Could the problem be that sometimes Cheren is there? Or does that matter?

I'm pretty sure that Cheren doesn't move, so it doesn't really matter.

TDawg
20th December 2011, 3:51 AM
I'm pretty sure that Cheren doesn't move, so it doesn't really matter.

Yeah I know :P I just always do that.

foxyman1167
20th December 2011, 4:49 AM
Why does the OP suggest Victory Road? Wouldn't it be a better idea to go to Giant Chasm or something?

Too Funk to Druck
20th December 2011, 4:54 AM
Why does the OP suggest Victory Road? Wouldn't it be a better idea to go to Giant Chasm or something?

I'm not exactly sure, but probably because you're more likely to get a good range of IVs from the Pokemon you catch. Earlier places may give you too big of a range, while places like Giant Chasm may not give you a range at all. But I didn't write the OP, so I don't actually know why.

foxyman1167
20th December 2011, 5:11 AM
I feel so dumb, I had the wrong Mac Address :|

Such an idiot, now I'm getting results.

OK, after getting the exact VCount, Time0, GxStat, and VFrame, where do I go from there.

I've nailed the VCount, GxStat, and VFrame, but Time0 keeps flip flopping between C7E and C7F, any tips to determine which to use? I've tried at least 5 pokemon, and it flips back and forth every time.

TDawg
20th December 2011, 5:32 AM
I feel so dumb, I had the wrong Mac Address :|

Such an idiot, now I'm getting results.

OK, after getting the exact VCount, Time0, GxStat, and VFrame, where do I go from there.

I've nailed the VCount, GxStat, and VFrame, but Time0 keeps flip flopping between C7E and C7F, any tips to determine which to use? I've tried at least 5 pokemon, and it flips back and forth every time.

You click Use parameters in Time Finder and go from there with what ever you wanted to do. And you most likely just have two timer0s.

foxyman1167
20th December 2011, 6:00 AM
You click Use parameters in Time Finder and go from there with what ever you wanted to do. And you most likely just have two timer0s.

So I'm all set?

Thanks for all the help everyone, hopefully I don't endure any more hiccups.

TDawg
20th December 2011, 10:39 AM
So I'm all set?

Thanks for all the help everyone, hopefully I don't endure any more hiccups.

Yeah you're ready to go.

Well you know where to go if you do.

~Selene~
20th December 2011, 11:29 AM
Actually Giant Chasm is a good place to get your parameters. Maybe the OP just prefers Victory Road?

foxyman1167
20th December 2011, 5:17 PM
OK, I'm trying to RNG an Omanyte from an Egg, just trying to pick a good seed now.

craig87
20th December 2011, 6:06 PM
Hi, im attempting to rng shiny flawless wild pokemon. Im hitting my seed and getting the right shiny frame but the ivs are normal. Is there a certain way to get flawless ivs with wild pokemon?

Kalosian
20th December 2011, 6:22 PM
Hi, im attempting to rng shiny flawless wild pokemon. Im hitting my seed and getting the right shiny frame but the ivs are normal. Is there a certain way to get flawless ivs with wild pokemon?
You will need to find a new Seed with the desired IVs and a reasonably low shiny PID frame. If you haven't done an ID/SID abuse, you will most likely have to search for quite long to be able to find one, unless you would get lucky and find one quickly.

foxyman1167
20th December 2011, 8:27 PM
Is there a Shifting Start Frame when RNG'ing for Eggs?

The Eleventh
20th December 2011, 8:29 PM
Is there a Shifting Start Frame when RNG'ing for Eggs?
Yes, due to the NPCs on Route 3. As soon as the season screen begins to appear, start mashing X to get the menu up as quickly as possible. Then, close the menu and collect the egg - again, as fast as can be. Hatch the egg and see where you landed via copying the seed into RNG Reporter's main window and filling out the correct information (Breeding (BW), etc.) and clicking generate.

foxyman1167
20th December 2011, 10:00 PM
If I generate a seed for an Adamant Chlorophyll (Ability 0) Deerling with 31/31/31/31/31/31 on Route 6, figure out my SSF, view Chatot's summary, then Sweet Scent, if I don't find a Deerling, should the other pokemon also have the same perfect IVs as Deerling?

Kalosian
20th December 2011, 10:09 PM
If I generate a seed for an Adamant Chlorophyll (Ability 0) Deerling with 31/31/31/31/31/31 on Route 6, figure out my SSF, view Chatot's summary, then Sweet Scent, if I don't find a Deerling, should the other pokemon also have the same perfect IVs as Deerling?
Yes, it should, provinding your Timer0 doesn't fluctuate.

foxyman1167
20th December 2011, 10:11 PM
Yes, it should, provinding your Timer0 doesn't fluctuate.

From my testing of my DS' Parameters, apparently it moves between C7E and C7F.

Would they also have the corresponding ability for Ability 0, which is Chlorophyll for Deerling?

Kalosian
20th December 2011, 10:13 PM
From my testing of my DS' Parameters, apparently it moves between C7E and C7F.
That is just normal. You have to check and see which of them appears more often and stick with it. If you have problems hitting getting the right one, try turning on your DS a little earlier or later on the second and it will probably solve the problem.

EDIT: Your Timer0 has nothing to do with which ability your targets get, that is determined by their PID.

MSK
20th December 2011, 10:14 PM
If I generate a seed for an Adamant Chlorophyll (Ability 0) Deerling with 31/31/31/31/31/31 on Route 6, figure out my SSF, view Chatot's summary, then Sweet Scent, if I don't find a Deerling, should the other pokemon also have the same perfect IVs as Deerling?

It should do if you hit the right seed, just need to check down the list in main window to see how far off you were then adjust accordingly. If IV's aren't correct then you either missed your seed or your timer0 has fluctuated.

I'm just in the process of chain breeding to get an egg move,

Flawless Ditto + Drowzee = Drowzee 31/31/31/31/31/31 Male Shiny, level up to Hypno and teach Switcheroo.

Flawless Drowzee + Cacturne = Cacnea 2/31/31/31/31/27 Male Shiny :(

Had 2 shiny Frames right next to each other and hit the wrong one :( lol, gotta try again now and keep missing it this time.

foxyman1167
20th December 2011, 10:23 PM
It should do if you hit the right seed, just need to check down the list in main window to see how far off you were then adjust accordingly. If IV's aren't correct then you either missed your seed or your timer0 has fluctuated.

I'm just in the process of chain breeding to get an egg move,

Flawless Ditto + Drowzee = Drowzee 31/31/31/31/31/31 Male Shiny, level up to Hypno and teach Switcheroo.

Flawless Drowzee + Cacturne = Cacnea 2/31/31/31/31/27 Male Shiny :(

Had 2 shiny Frames right next to each other and hit the wrong one :( lol, gotta try again now and keep missing it this time.

Ok, I'm missing my seed then, because the pokemon that correspond to what I'm catching are listed at +200 Frame, and that can't be right, because the SSF is 67, and I'm viewing Chatot's summary <5 times.

MSK
20th December 2011, 11:20 PM
Ok, I'm missing my seed then, because the pokemon that correspond to what I'm catching are listed at +200 Frame, and that can't be right, because the SSF is 67, and I'm viewing Chatot's summary <5 times.

Well that depends, are there any wandering NPC's on the route, and also is there any weather in effect as both of these will rapidly advance the frame.
Try finding seeds in Summer or Spring months as there will be no weather or use the trick somewhere earlier on here to get rid of weather for wild Pokemon.

Too Funk to Druck
20th December 2011, 11:30 PM
Yeah, I think Route 6 has weather on it depending on the season, so you're gonna have to get rid of the summer, or find a new seed.

And my definite not lying final RNG on my current save of Black(maybe):


http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/3d/Bag_Timer_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/645.gif ★
#645 Landorus | NN: None | Gender: ♂
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Naive | Caught: 2/2/2000 | Abundant Shrine
Type:Ground/Flying | Ability: Sand Force
Earthquake | Rock Slide | Sandstorm | Fissure
31/39/30/31/31/31
Hidden Power:Ice 70

I forgot that this existed and almost started the game over without catching it. <.< Whoops.

MSK
20th December 2011, 11:41 PM
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/3d/Bag_Timer_Ball_Sprite.png http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/645.gif ★
#645 Landorus | NN: None | Gender: ♂
OT: Ayumi~★ | ID: 13423
Naive | Caught: 2/2/2000 | Abundant Shrine
Type:Ground/Flying | Ability: Sand Force
Earthquake | Rock Slide | Sandstorm | Fissure
31/39/30/31/31/31
Hidden Power:Ice 70

I forgot that this existed and almost started the game over without catching it. <.< Whoops. [/center]

Lol I take it that should be 29 for Attack otherwise that is one heavy hitting Landorus!! ;)

foxyman1167
20th December 2011, 11:43 PM
Lol I take it that should be 29 for Attack otherwise that is one heavy hitting Landorus!! ;)

It should probably be a 31 instead, not sure why you'd RNG for an IV of 29 on a peokmon that is heavily Attack based.

Anyone have any tips for RNG'ing a Fossil? I know there are a ton of NPCs in the Museum...

Too Funk to Druck
20th December 2011, 11:46 PM
It should be a 30, which would give it HP Ice.

Kalosian
21st December 2011, 12:01 AM
Anyone have any tips for RNG'ing a Fossil? I know there are a ton of NPCs in the Museum...
Fossils are very easy to RNG (in my opinion at least). The NPCs aren't as bad as they might seem, you will usually get a low SSF. I don't know how good you are at RNGing yet, but here is a small guide:

1. Obviously, you need to get a fossil of the Pokemon you want. You can Soft-reset in front of the fossil guy at Twist Mountain until he gives you one if you don't have it already.
2. Have six Pokemon in your Party and go to the fossil reviver in Nacrene. Give her the fossil, and she will revive it, but you will not be able to get it yet since your party is full.
3. Deposit at least one Pokemon in your PC, then return and save in front of the reviver.
4. Find a seed with your desired IVs, for Frame 1, select Gift Pokemon as your Encounter Type.
5. Hit your seed by starting the game at the right time, mash X once the Season screen appears to bring up the menu, and exit immediately. Mash A to recieve your Fossil, see what PID Frame you hit by checking the Nature/Ability/Chacteristics of your Pokemon and see where that frame is (Method 5 PIDRNG). Also make sure to check its IVs to see if you hit the right Timer0.
6. Find your desired Nature/Ability in the list in the RNG Reporter. Make sure you have selected Gift Pokemon as Encounter Type. See how many chatters you need to do in order to get the Nature/Ability you want.
7. Repeat step 5, but before exiting the Menu after bringing it up, do all the chatters you need. If done correctly, you should have the Fossil you wanted.

I suck at explaining, so I'm honestly not expecting you (or anyone else) to understand this...

foxyman1167
21st December 2011, 12:31 AM
4. Find a seed with your desired IVs, for Frame 1, select Gift Pokemon as your Encounter Type.

How do I know it has the desired IVs? I input the IVs I want, but the Seeds don't have a list for what their IVs are.

And you explained it quite coherently actually.

Kalosian
21st December 2011, 12:38 AM
How do I know it has the desired IVs? I input the IVs I want, but the Seeds don't have a list for what their IVs are.

And you explained it quite coherently actually.
After getting your Parameters, go to the Time Finder (you could just press "Use Results in Time Finder" in the Parameter window). Select Gen V IVs (Standard Seed)* under Method and Gift Pokemon under Encounter Type (this doesn't matter, but I recommend it anyway). Set min/max frames to 1, and enter the year/month you want to search. Set the IVs you want in the IV tables and click generate. When you get a result, you will see what IVs it will have.
Did that answer your question?

*will have a different name if you are using an earlier version than 9.93

Oh, and thank you.

foxyman1167
21st December 2011, 12:46 AM
Should I be expecting a really highly numbered frame?

Kalosian
21st December 2011, 12:49 AM
Should I be expecting a really highly numbered frame?
For the IV frame, no. Honestly, you should not be using anything above 1.
But for the PID frame, maybe. It will depend on the seed you find, but I suppose you should be able to find what you want within frame 50-100 from your shifted starting frame.

Too Funk to Druck
21st December 2011, 12:50 AM
Should I be expecting a really highly numbered frame?

Probably. It'll be higher with the more specific things you're looking for. Adding keypresses(go to 5th Gen parameters setup?) will make it easier to find seeds you want.

foxyman1167
21st December 2011, 2:15 AM
Any videos for RNG'ing Gift Pokemon? I've only found such for hatching eggs and wild encounters.

Too Funk to Druck
21st December 2011, 2:21 AM
Any videos for RNG'ing Gift Pokemon? I've only found such for hatching eggs and wild encounters.

There might not be, but it's essentially the same thing. Basically. start the game at the right time, and when you press continue, mash X until the menu comes up, do your Chatot flips, exit out of the Pokemon menu, and then exit out o the main menu mashing A as soon as you press B.

gunbomb90
21st December 2011, 2:12 PM
Can some1 tell me how to do C Gear RNG-ing? I dont get it..

Too Funk to Druck
21st December 2011, 2:46 PM
Why are you c-gear RNGing? You can just standard RNG. Unless your doing entralink stuff?

The Eleventh
21st December 2011, 7:23 PM
There's a new version of RNG Reporter available now, 9.93 BETA. Now I can finally look for seeds for the event Thundurus. :D

TDawg
21st December 2011, 9:18 PM
There's a new version of RNG Reporter available now, 9.93 BETA. Now I can finally look for seeds for the event Thundurus. :D

Good luck. Did they switch the ungl to glan yet?

silicon
21st December 2011, 9:45 PM
Good luck. Did they switch the ungl to glan yet?

I haven't downloaded the new version yet, but in the notes about it that show up when I start the 9.92, it mentions something about that.

foxyman1167
22nd December 2011, 8:47 AM
I'm still not hitting my seed, and I'm unsure of what I'm doing wrong, so I'll try and be as specific as possible.

RNGReporter 9.93 Beta, on Window's Vista.

For the sake of practice, I'm trying to RNG an Adamant Chlorophyll Deerling, 31/31/31/31/31/31, on Route 6, in Summer months (so there isn't any weather)

1. Open the program, click Time Finder. Under 5th Gen DS Parameters, my Mac Address is right, White Version, Original DS Lite, Soft Reset isn't checked. Keypresses 3, VCount 60, VFrame 6, GXStat, Timer0 Min - Max, both C7E.
2. Click Capture Tab, Year 2011, Month 2, Max Frame 1, Use True Minimum Frame box checked off.
3. Method -> Gen 5 PIDRNG, Encounter type -> Wild Pokemon, Encounter slot -> Any. All IVs are 31, Ability 0, Nature -> Adamant, Sync nature -> Adamant. Box for Synchronize Frames only is unchecked. ID is 08501
4. Pick a seed that is encounter type 0, 4, or 6, with Ability 0, M gender, and a usable Date & Time.
5. C+P seed from there to the main window. Method -> Gen 5 PIDRNG, Encounter type -> Wild Pokemon, Synch nature -> Adamant.
6. Max results 100000, click Calculate Starting Initial Frame. All IVs are maxed, Nature -> Adamant, Ability 0, Encounter type -> Any, Gender -> Male - Male 50%/Female 50%. Click generate.
7. Change the DS to the date and time given, press A at exact time, hold keypresses if applicable. Mash A when the comet appears, and mash X as the season fades. Catch the first Pokemon I see, and it doesn't have the desired IVs, as someone here mentioned that the random pokemon I catch first will have the desired IVs.

MSK
22nd December 2011, 5:47 PM
I'm still not hitting my seed, and I'm unsure of what I'm doing wrong, so I'll try and be as specific as possible.

RNGReporter 9.93 Beta, on Window's Vista.

For the sake of practice, I'm trying to RNG an Adamant Chlorophyll Deerling, 31/31/31/31/31/31, on Route 6, in Summer months (so there isn't any weather)

1. Open the program, click Time Finder. Under 5th Gen DS Parameters, my Mac Address is right, White Version, Original DS Lite, Soft Reset isn't checked. Keypresses 3, VCount 60, VFrame 6, GXStat, Timer0 Min - Max, both C7E.
2. Click Capture Tab, Year 2011, Month 2, Max Frame 1, Use True Minimum Frame box checked off.
3. Method -> Gen 5 PIDRNG, Encounter type -> Wild Pokemon, Encounter slot -> Any. All IVs are 31, Ability 0, Nature -> Adamant, Sync nature -> Adamant. Box for Synchronize Frames only is unchecked. ID is 08501
4. Pick a seed that is encounter type 0, 4, or 6, with Ability 0, M gender, and a usable Date & Time.
5. C+P seed from there to the main window. Method -> Gen 5 PIDRNG, Encounter type -> Wild Pokemon, Synch nature -> Adamant.
6. Max results 100000, click Calculate Starting Initial Frame. All IVs are maxed, Nature -> Adamant, Ability 0, Encounter type -> Any, Gender -> Male - Male 50%/Female 50%. Click generate.
7. Change the DS to the date and time given, press A at exact time, hold keypresses if applicable. Mash A when the comet appears, and mash X as the season fades. Catch the first Pokemon I see, and it doesn't have the desired IVs, as someone here mentioned that the random pokemon I catch first will have the desired IVs.

Here is your problem on time finder you should have this set to Method 5 (Standard Seed). This finds your seeds, you then use PIDRNG on main window to advnace the frames.

foxyman1167
22nd December 2011, 6:00 PM
Here is your problem on time finder you should have this set to Method 5 (Standard Seed). This finds your seeds, you then use PIDRNG on main window to advnace the frames.

Thanks, I'm gonna try that immediately.

The Eleventh
22nd December 2011, 7:55 PM
Good luck. Did they switch the ungl to glan yet?
Yup. Here's the list of amendments:
- Added: 5th Gen DSi\3DS support for Spanish versions
- Added: True Minimum Frame feature eliminates the need for the user to specify a minimum frame for 5th Gen Wondercard and PIDRNG searches - allowing for a more thorough search
- Added: Progress box for DPPt\HGSS shiny egg searches and doubled search speed
- Added: Gender filter to main window
- Added: PID and Characteristics can now be calculated for Entralink Pokémon
- Added: Method H for 3rd Gen wild captures
- Added: Encounter tables for Ruby\Sapphire\Emerald\Fire Red\Leaf Green
- Added: 3rd Gen Shiny Egg Finder for Ruby\Sapphire
- Improved: Main window no longer displays fishing frames that cannot appear (Method J\K only)
- Improved: 5th Gen seed searches are now approximately 20% faster
- Improved: Changed behavior of text boxes to highlight text when tabbing
- Improved: Shiny egg searches now have expanded gender search\display
- Improved: Dex\IV Checker no longer prevents access to other parts of RNG Reporter
- Improved: Users can now specify non-shiny eggs for 4th Gen egg PID searches
- Improved: Time Finder searches no longer run if min frame is larger than max frame
- Fixed: Retrieve IVs from IVRNG now correctly retrieves Frame 1 for characteristics - including roamers
- Fixed: Characteristics now display correctly for 5th gen captured Pokémon
- Fixed: Time Finder switches to DS Parameters tab instead of the 3rd Gen Shiny Egg tab when not all parameters are filled out
- Fixed: Encounter slots are no longer displayed for non-wild encounter types (i.e. Stationary\Roamer\Gift)
- Fixed: Changed font in donation box to prevent crashes when Arial MT Rounded Bold is not available
- Fixed: Seed to Time OK and Cancel buttons were broken in previous update
- Fixed: C-Gear seed searches no longer incorrect when minimum frame is set past 227
- Fixed: a small glitch where males and females could be incorrectly calculated for Pokemon of the 75% M\25% F and 25% M\75% F ratios
- Fixed: an issue where the Delay textboxes on the 4th Gen Shiny egg finder were greyed out
- Fixed: an issue where Gen 4 egg PID frames would always start at frame 1 even if a different initial frame was specified
- Fixed: a crash that would occur if the Time Finder progress window was closed from the taskbar
- Fixed: a seed calculation error that affected less than one percent of seeds
- Fixed: UNGL Wondercard (now called GLAN Wondercard) now correctly accessible from the Time Finder
- Fixed: Pandora’s Box now supports 4-digit Timer0 values
- Fixed: a crash that occurred when trying to output Colosseum\XD frames to a CSV file
- Fixed: an issue where Good Rod encounter slots were incorrectly calculated for Methods J\K
- Fixed: an issue where Custom 6 and 7 in Researcher would not reuse Custom 5 and 6 results
- Removed: Method 3 from main window and IVs to PID as it doesn’t exist in-game

TDawg
23rd December 2011, 12:39 AM
Yup. Here's the list of amendments:
- Added: 5th Gen DSi\3DS support for Spanish versions
- Added: True Minimum Frame feature eliminates the need for the user to specify a minimum frame for 5th Gen Wondercard and PIDRNG searches - allowing for a more thorough search
- Added: Progress box for DPPt\HGSS shiny egg searches and doubled search speed
- Added: Gender filter to main window
- Added: PID and Characteristics can now be calculated for Entralink Pokémon
- Added: Method H for 3rd Gen wild captures
- Added: Encounter tables for Ruby\Sapphire\Emerald\Fire Red\Leaf Green
- Added: 3rd Gen Shiny Egg Finder for Ruby\Sapphire
- Improved: Main window no longer displays fishing frames that cannot appear (Method J\K only)
- Improved: 5th Gen seed searches are now approximately 20% faster
- Improved: Changed behavior of text boxes to highlight text when tabbing
- Improved: Shiny egg searches now have expanded gender search\display
- Improved: Dex\IV Checker no longer prevents access to other parts of RNG Reporter
- Improved: Users can now specify non-shiny eggs for 4th Gen egg PID searches
- Improved: Time Finder searches no longer run if min frame is larger than max frame
- Fixed: Retrieve IVs from IVRNG now correctly retrieves Frame 1 for characteristics - including roamers
- Fixed: Characteristics now display correctly for 5th gen captured Pokémon
- Fixed: Time Finder switches to DS Parameters tab instead of the 3rd Gen Shiny Egg tab when not all parameters are filled out
- Fixed: Encounter slots are no longer displayed for non-wild encounter types (i.e. Stationary\Roamer\Gift)
- Fixed: Changed font in donation box to prevent crashes when Arial MT Rounded Bold is not available
- Fixed: Seed to Time OK and Cancel buttons were broken in previous update
- Fixed: C-Gear seed searches no longer incorrect when minimum frame is set past 227
- Fixed: a small glitch where males and females could be incorrectly calculated for Pokemon of the 75% M\25% F and 25% M\75% F ratios
- Fixed: an issue where the Delay textboxes on the 4th Gen Shiny egg finder were greyed out
- Fixed: an issue where Gen 4 egg PID frames would always start at frame 1 even if a different initial frame was specified
- Fixed: a crash that would occur if the Time Finder progress window was closed from the taskbar
- Fixed: a seed calculation error that affected less than one percent of seeds
- Fixed: UNGL Wondercard (now called GLAN Wondercard) now correctly accessible from the Time Finder
- Fixed: Pandora’s Box now supports 4-digit Timer0 values
- Fixed: a crash that occurred when trying to output Colosseum\XD frames to a CSV file
- Fixed: an issue where Good Rod encounter slots were incorrectly calculated for Methods J\K
- Fixed: an issue where Custom 6 and 7 in Researcher would not reuse Custom 5 and 6 results
- Removed: Method 3 from main window and IVs to PID as it doesn’t exist in-game

Awesome they fixed a lot of things. I still fail to 4th gen RNG though -_-

Too Funk to Druck
23rd December 2011, 1:12 AM
Awesome they fixed a lot of things. I still fail to 4th gen RNG though -_-

You're not alone. It doesn't help that I'm trying to teach myself.

~Selene~
23rd December 2011, 1:18 AM
I detest 4th gen RNG ..... I just can't do it D:

foxyman1167
23rd December 2011, 1:27 AM
Just out of curiousity, how long did it take you guys to successfully RNG your first flawless Wild Pokemon?

How long does it take you now?

~Selene~
23rd December 2011, 1:29 AM
I cant do fully flawless hands don't work that well anymore xD I did reset over a flawless so I guess a week for my first bt now it'll just be luck

Keep at it, you'll get it eventually :3

drothagreat0ne
23rd December 2011, 4:29 AM
Just out of curiousity, how long did it take you guys to successfully RNG your first flawless Wild Pokemon?

How long does it take you now?

I learned how to Egg RNG first. Wild Pokemon, when I tried it, was a much easier process than Egg RNG.

Too Funk to Druck
23rd December 2011, 4:44 AM
Just out of curiousity, how long did it take you guys to successfully RNG your first flawless Wild Pokemon?

How long does it take you now?

The first one didn't take me too long, I don't think. Mostly, I made stupid mistakes(I subtracted wrong for my needed advancements), and making sure to hit the time exactly right. Now, unless I have an uncooperative seed or a crapload of advancements to do, I hit seeds on the first or second try. It's just practice.

gunbomb90
23rd December 2011, 5:07 AM
Why are you c-gear RNGing? You can just standard RNG. Unless your doing entralink stuff?
I'm using a 3ds..I dont hv a DS lite

foxyman1167
23rd December 2011, 5:51 AM
I still don't understand what I'm doing wrong. I'm using the videos posted by Jolteon135 as a guide, and the first Pokemon I catch doesn't have the required IV spread. Obviously I'm missing something big, any suggestions? Are there any pitfalls that newbies usually fall into? In other words, things a new person wouldn't be able to expect, while an experienced RNG'er wouldn't have a problem.

EDIT: Reread the OP, gonna try my other Timer0, if that doesn't solve it, I'll re-edit this.

Too Funk to Druck
23rd December 2011, 6:39 AM
I'm using a 3ds..I dont hv a DS lite

Standard seed RNG is possible on a 3DS now. I'm guessing it says it isn't in the first post of this thread?


I still don't understand what I'm doing wrong. I'm using the videos posted by Jolteon135 as a guide, and the first Pokemon I catch doesn't have the required IV spread. Obviously I'm missing something big, any suggestions? Are there any pitfalls that newbies usually fall into? In other words, things a new person wouldn't be able to expect, while an experienced RNG'er wouldn't have a problem.

EDIT: Reread the OP, gonna try my other Timer0, if that doesn't solve it, I'll re-edit this.

Sometimes, you have to start the game at a slightly different time. For example, when I see the second hand moving to the next second while the game is loading, I know I hit my seed. Make sure you're loading your game a second before you needed time too.

foxyman1167
23rd December 2011, 6:44 AM
Sometimes, you have to start the game at a slightly different time. For example, when I see the second hand moving to the next second while the game is loading, I know I hit my seed. Make sure you're loading your game a second before you needed time too.

Yeah, I've been doing that too.

dewey911p
23rd December 2011, 6:45 AM
is it possible to RNG an egg so that it will hatch shiny on another game once traded? I dont think so because RNG Reporter used the specific ID/SID combo as well as the DS MAC Address, DS parameters and the specific game cart, but i just thought i would ask to make sure. Would it even be possible if the other person provided all of their information for me to use in RNG Reporter? Still dont thinks so though but any help would be greatly appreciated :)

Too Funk to Druck
23rd December 2011, 6:46 AM
Yes it is possible. All you need is the TID/SID.

dewey911p
23rd December 2011, 6:49 AM
huh, ill be darned. well thanks :)

foxyman1167
23rd December 2011, 7:54 AM
I FINALLY DID IT! I successfully RNG'ed a Wild Pokemon! With exactly the right nature and ability too! I just kept retrying my seed, realized my timing and keypresses were off.


http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/55/Bag_Premier_Ball_Sprite.pnghttp://www.pokemonelite2000.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/585.gif
#535 Deerling | NN: None | Gender: ♂
OT: James | ID: 08501
Adamant | Caught: 02/18/2011 | Route 6
Type: Normal/Grass | Ability: Chlorophyll
Faint Attack / Take Down / Double Kick / Leech Seed
31/31/31/31/31/31
Hidden Power: Dark 70



Big big big big thank you to Too Funk to Druck, SpeedSuicune, TDawg, MSK, ~Selene~, STUD (the OP), Kaiser Soze (his guide), and Winter02 for all your help, seriously, I mean it.


Has anyone tried to RNG a Rustling Grass/Surfing Spot/Swirling Sand spot?


RNG #2


http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/55/Bag_Premier_Ball_Sprite.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/68/Spr_5b_592_f.png
#592 Frillish | NN: None | Gender: ♀
OT: James | ID: 08501
Bold| Caught: 02/18/2011 | Driftveil City
Type: Water/Ghost| Ability: Water Absorb
BubbleBeam / Absorb / Night Shade / Water Sport
31/31/31/31/31/31
Hidden Power: Dark 70

Gotta give Pinky some love. Sadly, I couldn't find a female animated sprite anywhere, but it's almost 5 in the morning, so who cares, no one'll read this post for at least another 5 hours :3

Really weird thing, I've had 5 critical captures in one day. I've also decided to catch all RNG'd pokemon in Premier Ball's, for lulz.

Too Funk to Druck
23rd December 2011, 11:49 AM
Amazing job! See, it's not too bad.

And I haven't done swirling dust/rustling grass RNGing. Sorry.

Kalosian
23rd December 2011, 12:26 PM
Congrats Foxyman! Excellently done, it's only a matter of time before you will be mastering the other parts of RNG manipulation as well.

As for Rustling Grass/Surfing Spot/Swirling Sand, I tried it once when I was new to RNG myself, but failed horribly. Will probably not give it another try as everything can be obtained through breeding anyway. I have on the other hand successfully RNGed Swannas on Marvelous Bridge, which is similar but not exactly the same.

The Eleventh
23rd December 2011, 2:08 PM
You might as well hatch Pokémon that appear through phenomenons. They're very difficult to RNG in the wild. Congrats, foxyman, hopefully you're not too far from your Omanyte target. :D Just RNG a good parent in the wild, and you should be good to go (I take it you're breeding Omanyte).

Awesome they fixed a lot of things. I still fail to 4th gen RNG though -_-
I've actually just learnt how to RNG in Gen IV. I can now RNG egg IVs. I got a x/31/31/x/x/31 Scyther last night, and I'll be using it today to breed a better one.

Vandslaux
23rd December 2011, 3:27 PM
I think I'm going to find my DS Parameters, then go RNG Victini.

And is the hard thing about RNGing wilds the encounter slot?

The Eleventh
23rd December 2011, 4:09 PM
And is the hard thing about RNGing wilds the encounter slot?
There's nothing difficult with RNGing wild Pokémon, really. Encounter slots don't cause any problems, because it's easy to find a relatively close PIDRNG frame to hit while using a Synchronizer.

Pokémon that appear in the wild via phenomenons are hard to RNG as you must walk to get the phenomenon to appear, potentially advancing the IVRNG frame.

foxyman1167
23rd December 2011, 5:05 PM
Another weird thing that happened while I was hunting. If I found the Pokemon I was looking for, if it didn't have the IV spread I wanted, it would always be Highly Curious

Weird.

The Eleventh
23rd December 2011, 5:49 PM
Another weird thing that happened while I was hunting. If I found the Pokemon I was looking for, if it didn't have the IV spread I wanted, it would always be Highly Curious

Weird.
It was probably because you were hitting the same wrong frame all the time, and so the Pokémon would all have the same IVs, and so the same characteristic.

foxyman1167
23rd December 2011, 5:52 PM
It was probably because you were hitting the same wrong frame all the time, and so the Pokémon would all have the same IVs, and so the same characteristic.

Yeah, it was just a weird thing that happened.

I've got one more Wild Pokemon target before I try for Omanyte, will post the results when it happens.

PS. Is the RNG club dead? I really wanted one of those smexy banners :3

MSK
23rd December 2011, 8:19 PM
Congrats foxyman1167, glad we could all be of help.
It took me a couple of weeks to figure everything out at first, I kept putting the wrong info into Reporter etc so you weren't the first and won't be the last. That's what this message board is here for and everyone is really helpful.

I'm in the process of chain breeding to get ready for the UK VGC's:

Completed so far:

Whimsicott - Shiny/Jolly/31/31/31/27/31/31 Prankster- Tailwind/Switcheroo/Trick Room/U-Turn
Gengar - Shiny/Timid/Flawless Levitate- Nightmare/Dream Eater/Psychic/Sucker Punch
Conkledurr - Shiny/Adamant/Flawless Guts- Drain Punch/Mach Punch/Rock Slide/Bulk Up

Currently working on:

Jolteon - Shiny/Timid/31/*/31/31/31/31 - Quick Feet- Discharge/Wish/Yawn/volt Switch

To Do:

Amoonguss & Wailord

I'm hoping it'll be a team that most won't expect as I'm trying to cover bases with the Drizzle Politoad and Sandstorm teams that I think may come to play this year.
Got a couple of neat tricks up my sleeve that I hope will work out :)

The Eleventh
23rd December 2011, 8:35 PM
PS. Is the RNG club dead? I really wanted one of those smexy banners :3
Not many people post there, since most things are covered here. You can still join if you'd like, though.

MSK
23rd December 2011, 11:38 PM
Hmm, confusion has set in lol

On stage 2 of my Jolteon Breed.

Stage 1: Flawless Ditto with Female Eevee to get a Flawless Timid Male (My favorite seed can hit it every time)

Stage 2: Found a seed to breed Flawless Male with DW female, had set it up to be Female Shiny only with DW ability.
Egg tab says nature F, Main window has 50% F, 12.5% M, 25% F, 75% F.
I hit my seed, hatch egg, Shiny check, DW ability check, Female . . . hold on thats a p**** lol

So what went wrong there? Any ideas? Not too fussed as I'll keep this one to evolve into Espeon.

MSK
23rd December 2011, 11:54 PM
I've just answered my own question lol just checked pokedex and eevee is female on 12.5% so as that showed male it ended up male regardless!! Darn it.
Oh well have found a new seed where all % are female so fingers crossed this time :)

derena
24th December 2011, 1:20 AM
Oké, so I'm following jolteon's video's to start with rng'ing, and I'm stuck almost straight away, and I don't know why.

The thing that makes me be stuck is generating times in the time finder... I've done everything exactly the same as he did in the video ( except selected a different nature and a slightly different IV spread, but I doubt those are the problem ) and I'm not getting any results at all.

I'm doing the shiny version, but I watched his video from the start ( several times now to make sure I didn't miss anything ). And i'm pretty sure I didn't, anyone any idea why this could be? ( the only thing that seems different is the "use true minimum frame" checkbox, but ticked and unticked doesn't make a difference -.-'

Edit.: i'm using a DSi, is that the problem?

foxyman1167
24th December 2011, 6:51 AM
Oké, so I'm following jolteon's video's to start with rng'ing, and I'm stuck almost straight away, and I don't know why.

The thing that makes me be stuck is generating times in the time finder... I've done everything exactly the same as he did in the video ( except selected a different nature and a slightly different IV spread, but I doubt those are the problem ) and I'm not getting any results at all.

I'm doing the shiny version, but I watched his video from the start ( several times now to make sure I didn't miss anything ). And i'm pretty sure I didn't, anyone any idea why this could be? ( the only thing that seems different is the "use true minimum frame" checkbox, but ticked and unticked doesn't make a difference -.-'

Edit.: i'm using a DSi, is that the problem?

Yes, DSi's use the C-Gear method, DS phats and DS lites use the Non C-Gear method.

Hoo-ah, here's RNG #3!


http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/55/Bag_Premier_Ball_Sprite.pnghttp://www.pokemonelite2000.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/607.gif
#607 Litwick | NN: None | Gender: ♂
OT: James | ID: 08501
Timid | Caught: 12/13/2011 | Celestial Tower
Type: Fire/Ghost| Ability: Flash Fire
Flame Burst / Hex / Will-O-Wisp / Imprison
31/31/30/30/30/30
Hidden Power: Fighting 70


I think that's enough practice, now it's time for what was one of the main reasons I wanted to learn to RNG.

TDawg
24th December 2011, 7:41 AM
Yes, DSi's use the C-Gear method, DS phats and DS lites use the Non C-Gear method.

Hoo-ah, here's RNG #3!


http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/55/Bag_Premier_Ball_Sprite.pnghttp://www.pokemonelite2000.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/607.gif
#607 Litwick | NN: None | Gender: ♂
OT: James | ID: 08501
Timid | Caught: 12/13/2011 | Celestial Tower
Type: Fire/Ghost| Ability: Flash Fire
Flame Burst / Hex / Will-O-Wisp / Imprison
31/31/30/30/30/30
Hidden Power: Fighting 70


I think that's enough practice, now it's time for what was one of the main reasons I wanted to learn to RNG.

Congrats on the Litwick, but you're incorrect because as of now they cracked DSi and 3DS' so that you can use Standard RNGing on them.

foxyman1167
24th December 2011, 7:47 AM
Congrats on the Litwick, but you're incorrect because as of now they cracked DSi and 3DS' so that you can use Standard RNGing on them.

Awww man, I was so upbeat about being able to answer a question about RNG'ing.

I've been looking into the RNG club, and there really isn't any reason for it, as I believe people only RNG in 4th/5th Gen, if it's possible earlier, I don't know. I would like to use one of those banners though, they're really nice.

Shadow_Assailant
24th December 2011, 8:03 AM
Wow. Lol. It's been a while since I've posted here. School and life have been holding me back, but now I'm on Winter Break, so I might be getting on more. :P So how have the people's projects been coming along? Right before I started posting this, I got this guy:


http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/494.gif
#494 Victini | Psychic-Fire | Genderless | Poké Ball
OT: Movie14 | ID: 12031 | SID: ????? | Shiny: No
Nature: Naive | Ability: Victory Star | Characteristic: Often dozes off.
Date: 12/23/2011 | Wi-Fi Gift | Met at Lvl. 50
Hidden Power/Power: Ice/70 | IVs: 31/30/30/31/31/31


I like it. Lol. :P Right now, my main project is RNGing my TID/SID specifically for Tornadus on my Black Version. Lol. Wish me luck. :P

foxyman1167
24th December 2011, 8:07 AM
Wow. Lol. It's been a while since I've posted here. School and life have been holding me back, but now I'm on Winter Break, so I might be getting on more. :P So how have the people's projects been coming along? Right before I started posting this, I got this guy:


http://sprites.pokecheck.org/i/494.gif
#494 Victini | Psychic-Fire | Genderless | Poké Ball
OT: Movie14 | ID: 12031 | SID: ????? | Shiny: No
Nature: Naive | Ability: Victory Star | Characteristic: Often dozes off.
Date: 12/23/2011 | Wi-Fi Gift | Met at Lvl. 50
Hidden Power/Power: Ice/70 | IVs: 31/30/30/31/31/31


I like it. Lol. :P Right now, my main project is RNGing my TID/SID specifically for Tornadus on my Black Version. Lol. Wish me luck. :P

Nice one, I've been thinking about RNGing my Wondercard Victini, but I would have no use for it, because it's banned from the Subway, and I don't competitive battle that much.

It might be useful for trading purposes, but anyone that can trade on WiFi would have had access to it.

I'm running 4 different Time Finder's right now to find a good Omanyte seed.

TDawg
24th December 2011, 8:09 AM
Awww man, I was so upbeat about being able to answer a question about RNG'ing.

I've been looking into the RNG club, and there really isn't any reason for it, as I believe people only RNG in 4th/5th Gen, if it's possible earlier, I don't know. I would like to use one of those banners though, they're really nice.

Lol no worries. If it was like a month ago you would have been right ^^.

There is also 3rd Gen RNGing which there is no thread for so I guess it could be used for that. And feel free to use any of them.

Nice Victini, Shadow! You're lucky to find a Naive HP Ice seed :) I couldn't find one at all

Tarro57
24th December 2011, 4:17 PM
Awww man, I was so upbeat about being able to answer a question about RNG'ing.

I've been looking into the RNG club, and there really isn't any reason for it, as I believe people only RNG in 4th/5th Gen, if it's possible earlier, I don't know. I would like to use one of those banners though, they're really nice.

To get the Banners, go to the OP in the RNG Club, click "Quote", scroll down until you get to the part where the banners would be, choose the one you want, copy the image link thing, and paste it into your sig.

Going to try to RNG something today since I haven't in forever!

foxyman1167
24th December 2011, 5:23 PM
So I have the entire day off, winter break started on Wednesday, but I've been at work everyday since, but now I'm free. I'm hoping to get Omanyte done, but cannot find a set. I've already checked December and January of 2011, hope it doesn't take much longer.

After I successfully RNG Omanyte, I'm gonna try something out of an Egg. I'm debating going for a shiny, I do like the color, but it takes away the value of shinies (at least for me). I'm mad at myself that I took so long to learn to RNG, I've wasted so much time IV breeding the normal way -___-

derena
24th December 2011, 5:40 PM
Oké, I managed to get seeds now, but I can't seem to hit the correct one ( I'm going for a litwick, I've tried both on the roof and the top floor, where the npc's don't move ) and I can't seem to hit my seed =/ I've tried dozens of times, and i'm not sure what is wrong exactly, I decided even to use my DS lite since timing is a lot easier there ( no need for an external clock )

Anyway, here's my set up, if anyone could have a look to see what i'm doing wrong, it'd be appreciated.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g280/danyo1301/Naamloos.png

ps.: the starting frame is in fact 53, I just generated a lower frame after another failed attempt to figure out what I hit in case it was lower or something, but I didn't hit anything in the 100 frames I generated

foxyman1167
24th December 2011, 5:47 PM
Oké, I managed to get seeds now, but I can't seem to hit the correct one ( I'm going for a litwick, I've tried both on the roof and the top floor, where the npc's don't move ) and I can't seem to hit my seed =/ I've tried dozens of times, and i'm not sure what is wrong exactly, I decided even to use my DS lite since timing is a lot easier there ( no need for an external clock )

Anyway, here's my set up, if anyone could have a look to see what i'm doing wrong, it'd be appreciated.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g280/danyo1301/Naamloos.png

ps.: the starting frame is in fact 53, I just generated a lower frame after another failed attempt to figure out what I hit in case it was lower or something, but I didn't hit anything in the 100 frames I generated

The Time Finder is only for the IVs, remove any other requirements for nature and ability, in the main window is where you decide what nature and ability you want.

Hopefully I got this one right TDawg :3

Too Funk to Druck
24th December 2011, 5:48 PM
If you're using your DS Lite now, you need to find new parameters, as the old ones are based on your hardware. Make sure you're starting the game a second before the time you need. If you use your DSi, you'll have to use a timer to hit your required time. You may just need to adjust the way you're hitting your seed.



The Time Finder is only for the IVs, remove any other requirements for nature and ability, in the main window is where you decide what nature and ability you want.

Hopefully I got this one right TDawg :3

That's actually incorrect. You can search for Natures and abilities you want in time finder. It's actually necessary if your going for shinies.

derena
24th December 2011, 5:49 PM
@foxyman1167 Mmmh, I thought that was only true if you weren't going for shinies, I guess I should try going for a none shiny first and see how that works out... :P

@Too Funk to Druck Yeah, I started completely from scratch with the DS lite, just to make sure I didn't have any flaws. I'm guessing it's something to do with me hitting the timer wrong, but I hit it as soon as it hit 18:08:30, I guess I should try to do some more trial and error to figure out the right time to start the game if everything else seems in order.

foxyman1167
24th December 2011, 5:53 PM
That's actually incorrect. You can search for Natures and abilities you want in time finder. It's actually necessary if your going for shinies.

That's weird, I've only been using the Time Finder for IVs, and the main window for everything else, and it's worked so far on my three targets.

Too Funk to Druck
24th December 2011, 5:56 PM
That's weird, I've only been using the Time Finder for IVs, and the main window for everything else, and it's worked so far on my three targets.

It's fine to use the main window if you're not going for shinies, because you'll find spreads easily. But if you're going for shinies using the main window is really not gonna work if you're going for a specific nature.

foxyman1167
24th December 2011, 5:59 PM
It's fine to use the main window if you're not going for shinies, because you'll find spreads easily. But if you're going for shinies using the main window is really not gonna work if you're going for a specific nature.

I'll keep that in mind, thanks for the heads up.

Damn, 0/2 :(

Too Funk to Druck
24th December 2011, 6:08 PM
@foxyman1167 Mmmh, I thought that was only true if you weren't going for shinies, I guess I should try going for a none shiny first and see how that works out... :P

@Too Funk to Druck Yeah, I started completely from scratch with the DS lite, just to make sure I didn't have any flaws. I'm guessing it's something to do with me hitting the timer wrong, but I hit it as soon as it hit 18:08:30, I guess I should try to do some more trial and error to figure out the right time to start the game if everything else seems in order.

It's really trial and error until you get used to it and get a feel for everything.


I'll keep that in mind, thanks for the heads up.

Damn, 0/2 :(

Don't worry. I got a lot of things wrong when I first started too.