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NoDice
4th August 2011, 4:41 AM
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THE NEW AND REVAMPED 5th GEN RNG HELP/DISCUSSION THREAD
***As approved by BobandBill
*******Special thanks to Sweet May for getting this up and running in a timely manner ^_^.

UPDATE! #3
#1. We now have a nice Frequently Asked Questions section in post 2! Thanks to Jolteon135! If you have any questions about what you see in this first post or the guides posted make sure to take a peek there!

#2 We now have a nice written guide for using PPRNG by Serebii's own Kaiser Soze! Thanks Kaiser! Its in post 4 if you scroll down just a bit or click the link below!

#3 Standard seed manipulation is possible on all other DS hardware now!

http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=13130422&postcount=4

#4 Please discuss your finds in the Discuss My Pokemon thread (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?568324-Discuss-My-Pokemon!-(Read-Rules-in-OP-Before-Posting)) - this thread is for getting help with RNGing and discussing RNG, not what you got from it.


This thread is for discussion of and help with RNG manipulation in generation 5 Pokemon games. Discussion of legality or morality is not permitted.
With the advent of Black and White, RNG manipulation is now easily done, and is growing increasingly popular with the Pokemon community.








WHAT IS RNGING?

It is the process of manipulating the in game Random Number Generator in order to boot the game at specific times to get specific Pokemon with specific stats and manipulate the game for abilities, shinyness, natures, and genders. It is completely legitimate, this is in no way hacking as the actual game does not interact with any external devices, and all you need is one of two programs for your PC or MAC to use. Check links below for the programs.


Just like Gen 4, 5th Gen RNG does not require you to know your SID(Secret ID) as long as youre not trying to obtain Shiny Pokemon. However, in Gen 5 the non C-Gear method (the primary method used) of RNGing Pokemon does not require you to calibrate your timing with starting your game, and all you need to be able to do is start your game at a certain time- hitting that time within roughly a second to get the desired results.



Here is a link to the OLD RNG THREAD: http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=514485
*The original thread has a small FAQ which has a few useful explanations of RNG. However, reading through this post coupled with the video guides should be sufficient enough to get you well on your way.









In order to use the Non C-Gear RNG method (Read on to understand what Non C-Gear RNG method means) of capturing and breeding Pokemon you will need the following:


-Your DS Hardware.

-Your DS’s MAC Address.

-A Sweet Scent user.

-If you want to manipulate for Shiny Pokemon, you will need to know your SECRET ID.

-You must be far enough in the game to catch Pokemon that are high enough level to accurately check IVs (Victory Road can work, Giant Chasm is better). This is REQUIRED so you can find your DS parameters- which you need in order to even use your RNG program to function for manipulation!

-A Chatot which has a custom Chatter message recorded. This allows you to more easily manipulate the PID RNG, and is highly essential for manipulating the PID RNG to prefered natures or Shiny Frames- which tend to be high.


-The latest version of RNG reporter which can be found here http://bit.ly/mSCZRW
*Credit to Omega Donut of Smogon for developing.
OR for MAC users use PPRNG here http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102901
*Credit to Chizu of Smogon for developing.


Optional:

-If you want to manipulate for Shiny Pokemon, you will need to know your SECRET ID. Check the FAQ in post 2 for ways to find your Secret ID without Action Replay.

*NOTE: ACTION REPLAYS WILL NOT WORK FOR ANY OF 5th GEN RNG MANIPULATION!
*NOTE: C-GEAR MANIPULATION IS MUCH HARDER THAN MOST OTHER METHODS, AND IN MOST CASES INFERIOR TO NON-C-GEAR. LINKS AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST WILL PROVIDE INFORMATION ON HOW TO C-GEAR MANIPULATE THE RNG. C-GEAR MANIPULATION TAKES AWAY ALL CONTROL OF THE PID FRAME, SO YOU CANNOT CONTROL NATURES, SHINYNESS, GENDER, OR ABILITY.





BASIC RNG TERMS:
Familiarize yourself with the terminology of RNG manipulation.

RNG:
Random Number Generator.


SID:
Your Secret ID for your save file. It corresponds with your Trainer ID to determine which PID Frames will produce SHINY Pokemon.


IV:
Individual Value. This term corresponds to the “Genes” or “DNA” of a Pokemon which determines its maximum stat values it can achieve. HP(Hit Points), Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed are all Individual Values.


SEED:
The hexadecimal value given to the start time or place within the Random Number Generator in which you are starting your game.


(IV)FRAME:
The area within the SEED in which your desired IVs are placed. (ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE)The IV frame for your SEED will always start on FRAME 1. All Pokemon EXCEPT EGGS, GIFTS and FOSSILS will have their IVs determined by FRAME 1. EGGS, GIFTS and FOSSILS IV FRAMES start on FRAME 8 due to the action of adding or removing a Pokemon from your party advancing the IV FRAME by 7.


STARTERS are not included as gift Pokemon.
ELEMENTAL MONKEYS ARE an example of a GIFT Pokemon.
LARVESTA's EGG is unique and starts on FRAME 2***


(PID)FRAME:
These are the second type of Frame which assign Nature, Gender, and Shininess to each Pokemon. PID FRAMEs usually start anywhere from 30-60 for any given IV FRAME. For Wild Pokemon Encounters each PID FRAME has an Encounter Slot assigned to it, which determines which Pokemon you will find on that specific PID FRAME.


SHINY FRAME:
The PID FRAME which, when landed on, will produce a Pokemon which is SHINY. YOU MUST KNOW YOUR Secret ID in order to find these frames with either of the RNG programs. These frames are marked in RNG Reporter by a (!!!) or in PPRNG by a (★).


FRAME ADVANCEMENT:
This is the process of manipulating the IV FRAME or PID FRAME you are currently on to get to your desired FRAME.


DS PARAMETERS:
These refer to specific cartridge and DS combination values that you MUST determine before attempting to RNG. RNG Reporter and PPRNG both have Parameter Finders to figure out what your parameters are for your personal DS and cartridge combo.


TIMER 0(ZERO):
A fluctuating value that every DS/cartridge combo has. Most retail cartridges only change between 2 values, and THERE IS NO WAY TO CONTROL THE FLUCTUATION. But you must figure out which TIMER 0 is more common by using the parameter finder, and then use that TIMER 0 in your RNG Program of choice to find your SEEDS. IT IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED YOU WRITE THIS DOWN OR KEEP IT IN A DOCUMENT FOR FUTURE REFERENCE OR PROGRAM UPGRADES.


V FRAME, V COUNT, GXSTAT:
These are static or consistent values you will find out when using the parameter finder. These will NEVER change for your specific cartridge and DS combination so again, IT IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED THAT YOU WRITE THESE DOWN OR KEEP IT IN A DOCUMENT FOR FUTURE REFERENCE.


SSF:
SHIFTING STARTING FRAME: This is the frame which you determined to be your starting PID FRAME for the SEED youre using in an area where NPCs advance your PID FRAME.


NPC:
Non Player Characters. There are NPCs littered throughout Unova which will augment PID FRAME advancement. In areas where these are located, you must determine your starting frame manually by hitting your SEED a time or two, and adjusting your FRAME advancements accordingly.


Here is a list of all areas that DO NOT HAVE NPCs:

Wellspring Cave (1F-B1F)
Rumination Field (For the sake of being thorough)
Relic Castle (1F-B6F)
Lostlorn Forest
Chargestone Cave (B1F)
Celestial Tower (3F-5F)
Twist Mountain (Cave with Exit to Icirrus City)
Route 17*
P2 Laboratory*
Mistralton Cave (2F-Guidance Chamber)
Dragonspiral Tower Entrance (North of Icirrus City, not the area with the bridge)
Dragonspiral Tower Interior (1F-2F)
Route 9
Route 10 (South of Victory Road; the third area of the Badge Check Gates)
Victory Road (1F1, 1F2, 1F3, 2F2, 5F, 7F)
Victory Road (Exterior)
Trial Chamber
Marvelous Bridge
Giant Chasm (Outside)
Giant Chasm (Outer Cave)
Giant Chasm (Inner Cave; including Kyurem’s Cave)
Challenger’s Cave (1F)


ADVANCED RNG TERMS AND KNOWLEDGE OF BASIC RNG TERMS:


C-GEAR AND ENTRALINK MANIPULATION:

-This method of RNG manipulation uses the C-Gear feature. The C-Gear reSEEDS the IV FRAME once turned on, and keeps the PID FRAME advancing at a constant rate. For more about C-Gear or Entralink manipulation use the links located at the bottom of this post.



IV FRAME ADVANCEMENT:
-The IV FRAME is advanced by walking 128 steps with 1,2,3,4,5 or 6 Pokemon in your party to advance the IV frame from 1 to 2,3,4,5,6, or 7 respectively. This can be done infinitely to advance your IV FRAME E.G. you need to get to frame 9 so you walk 128+128 steps with 4 Pokemon in your party to get to frame 9.

-The act of moving a Pokemon to your party from your PC advances the IV FRAME by 7- and this is also why EGG IV FRAMES start on FRAME 8(Starting frame 1 +7 for adding the egg to your party). Remember, all Eggs (except exception below), Fossils, and Pokemon gifts EG- The elemental monkey trio start on Frame 8 for IVs.

-The Larvesta egg is unique, in that its the only gift Pokemon to have IVs which start on Frame 2.

*** NOTE ***
When using RNG Reporter to search for IV seeds for Gift Pokemon(Frame 8) or the Larvesta Egg(Frame 2) you MUST manually set the minumum frame to 8 or 2 for each respective method.



PID FRAME ADVANCEMENT:

-The CHATOT mentioned in the requirements is used to advance the PID FRAME by viewing its summary once for each FRAME you wish to advance. It is not uncommon for someone to carry 2 CHATOTs in their party in order to “flip” between their summary pages to advance the PID much more quickly.


-Saving your game will also advance the PID FRAME by 1 each time you save. This is evidenced in Bearsfans RNG tutorial on Parameter finding and Stationary Pokemon manipulation.

-Turning AND walking BOTH advance the PID FRAME by 2 WHILE IN CAVES, GRASS, AND WATER. Walking one step will increase the PID FRAME by 2. Turning in place one time will increase the PID FRAME by 2.

*NOTE: Walking outside of GRASS or CAVES advances the PID frame in an unpredictable way. It is suggested that it advances the PID FRAME by 2 for every 20 or so steps for the "Shaking Patch or Dust Cloud Check". This data is not totally confirmed but be warned.



ENCOUNTER SLOT TABLES
WHITE

http://eggmove.com/encounterwhite.html

BLACK

http://eggmove.com/encounterblack.html



SHIFTING STARTING FRAME:

You can find your SHIFTING STARTING FRAME by hitting your SEED, button mashing X to bring up the menu as the SEASON SCREEN APPEARS AND FADES, and then SWEET SCENTING. The resulting Pokemon should give you an idea of what your starting PID FRAME will be. This is crucial when abusing in areas with NPCs, and is required when breeding due to NPCs being on Route 3 AND when attempting to RNG manipulate the ROAMERS.



PID%6 METHOD:

Determining characteristics In RNG Reporter with PID%6 method-

A mathematical way of determining which characteristic the Pokemon on any given PID FRAME will have. This makes for easier determination of which PID FRAME you have landed on when RNG breeding or trying to RNG Thunderus and Tornadus.

NOTE: PPRNG has this built into it, while RNG Reporter currently does not have it built in but can be set up for its use.
This link here http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3597562&postcount=8693
is to a post by Kaphotics of Smogon that shows how to set up and use the Researcher function of RNG Reporter to find characteristics.

This link here

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3893480&postcount=11047

is to Tesseraction’s post within a breeding guide specifically explaining PID%6.


NOTE: USING RESEARCHER the way Kaphotics’ post shows produces the final output number(0-5) to draw the line around the hexagon to determine the characteristic. PID FRAMEs in RESEARCHER are +1, meaning PID FRAME 1 in REPORTER is actually PID FRAME 2. CUSTOM 3 Column outputs the number to perform the hexagon method, and CUSTOM 5 Column shows the number correlating to the Nature of that specific PID FRAME.



WEATHER NOTES:
*RAIN ADVANCES THE PID FRAME AT 60 PID FRAMES PER SECOND.
*SNOW WILL ADVANCE IT MUCH LESS AT 260 FRAMES AFTER YOUR STARTING PID FRAME
**TO GET RID OF SAND AND FOG YOU MUST SAVE WHERE YOU INTEND TO MANIPULATE THE RNG, SET YOUR DS ONE MONTH AHEAD, ENGAGE IN A BATTLE, AFTER THE BATTLE THE WEATHER WILL BE GONE. SAVE ONCE MORE AND THEN PROCEED TO SET UP TO RNG.


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THIS FIRST POST IS SIMPLY MEANT TO FAMILIARIZE NEW COMERS WITH TERMS RELATED TO RNG MANIPULATION HOWEVER, FOR MORE IN DEPTH INFORMATION ON RNG PROCESSES, METHODS, AND GUIDES PLEASE USE THE LINKS POSTED BELOW.










HERE ARE SOME HELPFUL LINKS TO GUIDES AND INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN CONSOLODATED BY SMOGON.

ALL OF THESE LINKS ARE LOCATED IN SMOGONS FORUMS IN THIS THREAD-

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83057


THESE HELPFUL GUIDES AND VIDEOS ARE ALL CREDITED TO MEMBERS OF SMOGON, AS ARE THE RNG PROGRAMS!










*BETA COMPREHENSIVE WRITTEN RNG GUIDE BY KAPHOTICS OF SMOGON (WRITTEN W/SCREENSHOTS)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12206225/RNG/g5%20rngguide%20v01.pdf









*TESSERACTION OF SMOGON’s B/W RNG BREEDING GUIDE

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3446600









*SEPHIRONA’s ENTRALINK RNG GUIDE (REQUIRES C-GEAR MANIPULATION KNOWLEDGE) WRITTEN W/ SCREENSHOTS

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3159941&postcount=2










****BEARSFAN092’s RNG VIDEO GUIDES:



STANDARD SEED CALIBRATION(PARAMETERS FINDING), STANDARD SEED FINDING

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4zNQH9cC3w



USE OF A SYCHRONIZER AND IV FRAME MANIPULATION OF A STATIONARY LEGEND

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEBn73mAmw8



C-GEAR RNG MANIPULATION (CALIBRATION AND APPLICATION)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M26PvryQIA



STANDARD MANIPULATION FOR BREEDING (SHINY OPTIONAL)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSonSZQFQK8








*GREENALINK’s VIDEO TUTORIALS:



STANDARD SEED MANIPULATION: RESHIRAM/ZEKROM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmPAmJDZkz0




STANDARD SEED SHINY EGG MANIPULATION

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZkKMtmIZD4







*TORTERRA2020’s MAC (PPRNG) RNG MANIPULATION VIDEOS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2c-u14Q9lg








*JOLTEON135's RNG HELP VIDEOS:

Choosing a target PID frame (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpi8XR0dXTc) <--skip to around 6 minutes for shinies




Finding your actual starting PID frame (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN1wz0_6800)




Hitting your target PID frame (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciivZwSlS9g)




Help with finding and hitting a Roamer seed and PID frame (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vep3DTsjTzU&feature=player_embedded)



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Feel free to discuss anything related to RNG here while keeping in mind that discussion of legality of RNG manipulation is not permitted!
Also suggestions and discussion of anything regarding what I should add to this first post would be greatly appreciated. If something is not clear enough or understandable, please feel free to let me know so I can make changes. Thanks!

NoDice
4th August 2011, 6:17 AM
Frequently Asked Questions
courtesy of Jolteon135!
What is RNGing?
Pokemon games and games in general use Random Number Generators (RNGs) to simulate luck based events. RNGs are not truly "random." They are predictable and RNGing is essentially predicting when the RNG will give a desired Pokemon and what we must do to get the desired Pokemon.

Is it Legit?
Yes.

Do I Need my SID to RNG?
No. Your ID and SID are only used for shininess.

What do I Need to RNG?
To perform standard (non c-gear) RNGing in gen 5 you need the program RNG reporter (http://bit.ly/mSCZRW), DS Lite/Original DS and a retail (store bought) cartridge. You cannot do standard RNGing on a DSi/3DS.

How do I RNG?
Read and/or watch the guides above.


The Parameter Finder Doesn't Return Any Results
Are you sweet scenting high level Pokemon? Victory road is a good place to catch fairly high level Pokemon.
Make sure the date/time you enter into RNG reporter is the same date/time you started up the game at from the DS menu (clock screen). Watch the seconds hand on the DS clock to get the correct second.
Make sure you say no when the game asks you if you want to turn on the c-gear.
Use the pokedex-IV checker in RNG reporter to check the IVs of your sweet scented Pokemon.

What do I do After I've Found my Parameters?
Congratulations. Click "use results in time finder" and now you can start searching in the time finder.


How do I search in RNG Reporter?
Assuming you have found your parameters you can click on the time finder to search. The method we use is method 5 (standard seed).

What is The Frame?
There are 2 types of frames, IV frames and PID frames. The IV frame determines IVs, the PID frame determines everything else (natures, abilities, what pokemon you encounter etc)

What is Min/Max Frame in The Time Finder?
Min/Max frame refers to the minimum/maximum desired IV frame.

What Should Min/Max Frame be?
In most cases min frame and max frame should both be 1 to make it easier to manipulate the PIDRNG. Higher IV frames can be used in areas with no NPCs but IV frame 1 is always the best.

How do I Search For Shinies?
Check "search for nearby shiny frames in the time finder. Input your ID/SID.

Where Can I Find my SID?
Pokecheck.org or by restarting your game and RNGing it.

What Should Max Shiny Frame be?
It is completely up to you but 1000 is a good number.

What do The Encounter Types Mean?
Wild Pokemon are Pokemon that can be encountered by sweet scenting in grass, buildings, caves or caves.
Wild Pokemon (Surfing) are Pokemon that can be encountered by sweet scenting in water.
Wild Pokemon (Fishing) are Pokemon that can be encountered by fishing in water.
Wild Pokemon (Shaking Grass) are Pokemon that are encountered by walking into a rustling grass patch.
Wild Pokemon (Bubble Spot) are Pokemon that are encountered by surfing into a bubbling spot on the water.
Wild Pokemon (Cave Spot) are Pokemon that are encountered by walking into a dust cloud in caves. Dust clouds can also contain items.
Stationary Pokemon are Pokemon that have an overworld sprite and you must interact with them via the A button to battle them. Examples are Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion, Dreamyard Musharna, etc
Roaming Pokemon are Tornadus and Thundurus
Gift Pokemon are Pokemon that are given to you by someone. These include starters and fossils.
Larvesta Egg is for the Larvesta egg that is given to you by a man on route 18.
All encounters shiny is useless.

What are Encounter Slots?
Encounter slots are related to your PID frame. They determine what Pokemon you encounter when you sweet scent. For a list of encounter slots click on 5th gen tools in the main window of RNG reporter and click on Black or White Encounter Tables.
Note*: The encounter slot should generally be left as any in the time finder unless the Pokemon you're searching for only appears in 1 encounter slot.

What is Ability 0 and 1?
Ability 0 or 1 determines what ability the Pokemon will have if it can have 2 abilities (not including dream world abilities). The Pokedex-IV checker lists ability 0 and 1 for all Pokemon.

Should I Use a Synchronizer?
A synchronizer is highly advised. It will give you many more results. Elgyems can be caught in the Celestial tower and Munna is available in the dreamyard thus synchronizers are easy to obtain and everyone should use them.

How do I Find a Desired PID Frame?
Right click your seed in the time finder and copy to clipboard. In the main window choose method 5 PIDRNG, paste your seed (Ctrl+V) where it says seed (hex), choose the encounter type, choose the sync nature (if applicable), click "Calculate Initial PID Frame" then click generate.
Look for a PID frame that gives you what you desire (nature, ability, encounter slot etec). That will be your target PID frame. If you searched for a shiny in the time finder the number under "nearby shiny" is your target PID frame.

How do Genders Work?
The gender ratios are for the females. You can find female gender ratios on serebii. For example, Timburr has a 25% female ratio. If I wanted to know what gender my Timburr will be I would find a PID frame that has the encounter slot for Timburr and look under 25%F.

I'm Not Getting Any Results in The Time Finder
Click on "5th gen DS parameters setup" and make sure you have 2 or 3 keypresses selected before searching. Synchronizers help too. Make sure nature is left as "any" if you're using a synchronizer. Only sync nature should be selected.

What do Bold Results Mean?
Any nature in bold letter is syncable. This means if you have a synchronizer it will change to the nature of your synchronizer.


How do I Search Non-shiny Eggs?
In the time finder click on the 4th/5th gen shiny egg tab. Enter the wrong ID/SID. Something random like 11111/22222 is fine.
Note*: There is a known bug in RNG reporter 9.81 where the ID/SID does not update in time finder unless you close/reopen RNG reporter after entering the new ID/SID. Enter the ID/SID from the main window then click generate. Close/Reopen RNG reporter and it should be updated with the new ID/SID.

How do I Search For Shiny Eggs?
Use the shiny egg tab and enter the correct ID/SID. *See note above.

How do I Search For Dream World Pokemon?
Select Dream World Ability Only. You will need a female with the dream world ability and a non-Ditto male in the same egg group.

What Are The Breeding Types?
The 5th gen breeding types are BW and BW (International). International is if you are using parents from different language games for example an English Patrat with a Japanese Ditto or a French Skitty with a German Wailord.
International makes it more likely to find results just like using the everstone.

Should I Use The Everstone?
Yes.

Should I Use Power Item(s)?
No.

What is Min/Max Frame?
In the shiny egg tab, min/max frame refers to your PID frame. Min frame should be 60 and max frame can be as high as you wish to go. 200 is generally a good number for max frame.

What is the IV Frame For Eggs?
Eggs start on frame 8. The shiny egg tab automatically uses frame 8 for egg IVs.

Do The Parents Need to be Flawless/Perfect?
No. The closer the parents are to your desired spread the more likely the egg search is to return a result. You will want decent parents but they don't have to be exact matches for what you want. Catch/trade for some flawless/Hidden power Dittos to make things easier.

How do I See The PID Frames?
Right Click the seed in the time finder, copy to clipboard, choose breeding BW or Breeding (BW, International), Paste the seed where it says seed (hex), choose the everstone nature (if applicable), Click "Calculate Initial PID Frame" then click generate. You should already know your target frame from the time finder.
Note*: You can right click in the main window and choose "Display parents in search." Then you can enter the parents' IVs and the IVs from RNG. To find the IVs from RNG you must change the method to Method 5 (Standard Seed) in the main window, generate and look at frame 8 for your seed IVs. Using "Display parents in search" will bring up the characteristics which are useful for finding your actual starting frame.

How do Genders Work?
The gender ratios are for the females. You can find female gender ratios on serebii. For example, Timburr has a 25% female ratio. If I wanted to know what gender my Timburr will be I would look at my target PID frame and look under 25%F.
Note*:For Nidoran-M/Nidoran-F/Volbeat/Illumise you need to look under species.

Who is the Father/Mother For Genderless Pokemon With Ditto?
Ditto acts as the mother when paired with a genderless Pokemon.

How do I Advance the IV Frame?
Preferred Method: Walking 128 steps with Z Pokemon in your party advances the IV frame by Z. The IVRNG starts on frame 1 (generally you should stick to frame 1 for IVs).

-Moving a Pokemon from your box to your party (Move/Withdraw) advances the IV frame by 7
-During a battle the IV frame advances by 120 frames per second (use repels!)

How do I Advance The PID Frame?
Preferred Method: Viewing Chatot's summary advances the PID frame by 1 per view. You can flip between Chatot and another Pokemon or between 2 Chatots.
The starting PID frame varies and must be calculated. *See the searching FAQ.
Note*:You must use the move Chatter outside of battle and record something with the DS mic. Blank recordings are fine. Chatot loses the recording when it's placed in a PC box so you will have to rerecord it if you place your Chatot in the PC.

-Saving advances the PID frame by 1 per save. This is mainly used for starters.
-Walking advances the PID frame by approximately 2 per step. A better approximation is (377/170≈2.2) per step.
-Turning advances the PID frame by 2 per turn. A turn does not count if you're running (holding B). It does count if you are walking/riding the bike.
-NPCs advance the PID frame by random amounts. This is why we need frame 1 for IVs in areas with NPCs. If we have to walk the NPCs will advance the frame by a lot and screw us up.


How do I Hit The Seed?
Set the DS date to the date that RNG reporter gives you in the time finder. Set the clock to the time that RNG reporter gives you. After setting the time, quickly turn off the game and turn it back on. Watch the seconds hand on the DS clock and wait for the correct second. Press A to start up the game 1 second before the time that RNG reporter gives you. I.E. If RNG reporter tells you to start at 7/23/2011 and 8:32:22 you would set the date to 7/23/2011, set the clock to 8:32, turn off/on and wait for the seconds hand to hit 21 and press A to start up the game as soon as the seconds hand hits 21.

Where and How do I Hold Keypresses?
Keypresses are held immediately after you start up the game from the DS menu menu. Start up the game by pressing A 1 second before the time RNG reporter gives, let go of A immediately and hold the required keypresses until the gamefreak logo comes on.

What do I do if I Have no Keypresses
After you start up the game from the DS menu wait until the gamefreak logo comes on before you press any buttons.

How do I Hit my Target IV Frame?
You start on your target IV frame (frame 1).

How do I Find my Actual Starting PID Frame?
This is the tricky part.Your actual starting PID frame is usually slightly higher than the calculated initial PID frame that RNG reporter gives you because of the NPCs (unless you're in an area with no NPCs). To find it you must hit your seed, enter the game without turning on the c-gear, let the seasons message fade by itself. While the seasons message is fading press the X button rapidly to bring up the menu as quickly as possible. Then sweet scent and catch the Pokemon you encounter. Check it's IVs to see if you hit your seed. If you did hit your seed look at the list of PID frames and look for a PID frame near your "Calculated initial PID frame" that matches the caught Pokemon. The matching frame will have the same nature, ability, encounter slot etc. That's your actual starting PID frame. Turn off the game without saving and redo it to get your target PID frame.
Note*: If you're using a synchronizer, put another Pokemon first in your party after you open the menu. The synchronizer will only complicate things when you're trying to find your actual starting PID frame.

How do I Find the Actual Starting PID Frame for stationaries/gifts?
See above. It's similar to finding the actual starting PID frame for wild Pokemon. The only difference is that when you bring up the menu, instead of sweet scenting, you will immediately exit the menu (press B) and battle the stationary or receive the gift Pokemon as quickly as possible (press A quickly!).

How do I Hit my Target PID Frame?
Once you've found your actual starting PID frame, hit your seed again, let the season message fade by itself. While the season message is fading press the X button rapidly to bring up the menu as soon as it fades. This time you view Chatot's summary the appropriate number of times to advance from your actual starting frame to your target frame. Remember each view of Chatot's summary advances the PID frame by 1 so target frame-actual starting frame=the number of times you need to view Chatot's summary before sweet scenting.

What if the IVs are wrong?
Right click on your seed in the time finder and click generate adjacent seed (current frame). Look for the wrong IVs you got. If you find them that will tell you if you had bad timing or if it was a timer0 issue.

What should I do if I keep hitting the wrong timer0?
Use the other timer0.

What if I can't find the wrong IVs I got in the adjacent seeds?
This means you're doing something drastically wrong.
Make sure you're using the date/time RNG reporter gives you, starting up the game 1 second before the seconds given in the time finder, holding your keypresses correctly etc. If after several tries you still can't hit the seed or find the wrong IVs in the adjacent seeds, give a detailed explanation of what you're doing (pictures/screenshots/videos are helpful) so we can help you.

When is it ok to Use Higher IV Frames?
IV Frames higher than 1 makes it more difficult and sometimes impossible to control the other RNG, the PIDRNG. Higher IV Frames should only be considered if you're in an area without NPCs or if you don't care about PID related things ( nature, ability, shininess, encounter slot etc).
See Miscellaneous for a list of areas without NPCs.

How do I Hit The Seed?
See Hitting The Seed: IV Frame 1

Where and how do I Hold Keypresses?
See Hitting The Seed: IV Frame 1

How do I hit my target IV Frame
You start on frame 1 and walking 128 steps with Z Pokemon in your party advances the IV Frame by Z. For example if If my IV frame was 6 I could walk 128 steps with 5 Pokemon in my party to get to IV frame 6. I could also walk 5x128 steps=640 steps with 1 Pokemon in my party to get to IV frame 6. After doing my steps I would sweet scent.

Should I use a repel?
Yes. You don't want to encounter anything before you're ready to sweet scent/interact with your target.

Is it ok to walk more or less than 128 steps?
No.
The game uses a hidden step counter to track your steps. This step counter is saved even when you reset the game. When the step counter reaches 128 the IV frame is advanced by the number of Pokemon in your party and the step counter resets to 0. The problem is that you don't know what number your step counter is saved on. It could be saved on 127 in which case 128 steps would bring you back to 127 again. Taking an extra step would trick the step counter again (tripping it twice) and mess you up. Taking less than 128 steps could mean that the step counter not get tripped at all thus you'd still be on the same frame. The moral of this story: WALK EXACTLY 128 STEPS.
Note*:The step counter is also reset when you enter a battle so you might want to run around until you encounter something before saving to RNG your target. This way if you accidentally take an extra step you'll know for sure that it won't trip the step counter twice.


How do I Find The Actual Starting PID Frame?
Ah, now for the difficult part. When going for higher IV frames you have to account for the fact that walking and turning advance the PID Frame.
Make sure you have no Pokemon in the daycare.
The PID Frame is 2 per step by an extra 2 every 20 steps. Turning advances the PID frame by 2.
The approximate formula is (21/10)*Steps + 2*Turns + Calculated Initial PID Frame. That should give you an idea of where to look for your starting PID Frame.
For example, let's say I took 128 steps with 5 Pokemon in my party to get to IV Frame 6 then I sweet scented and caught the Pokemon I encountered. I used a repel and ran 100 steps (holding B) so those turns the turns I made during those 100 steps shouldn't count. Then for the last 28 steps I used another repel and walked 28 steps but I also made 3 turns during that time. Those 3 turns count because I wasn't running. Let's also say my calculated initial Frame is 48. To approximate where my starting PID Frame should be I would use 2.1*Steps + 2*Turns + Calculated Initial PID Frame = 2.1*128 + 2*3 + 48=323 (Rounded Up). I would start looking around Frame 323 for my starting PID Frame.
Of course my starting PID frame must match the caught Pokemon.
Note*:Remember to switch your synchronizer with something else in your party before sweet scenting so that it is not the first Pokemon in your party. The synchronizer makes it more difficult to find your starting frame.

How do I Hit my Target PID Frame?
After you've found your starting PID Frame you must turn off the game without saving and redo it again. Hit your seed, enter the game and do the exact same number of steps and turns again. You must be very consistent with how you do this. After you've completed your steps and turns open the menu and view Chatot's summary the appropriate number of times to advance to your target PID Frame. Again target PID frame-actual starting PID frame=number of times you need to view Chatot's summary.

What if I get the wrong IVs?
See Hitting The Seed: IV Frame 1

Where Should I Save?
Save in front of The Daycare Man

Do I Need to Advance to IV Frame 8?
No, the act of taking the egg advances you 7 frames (from frame 1-8).

How do I Hit my Target IV Frame?
You Start on Frame 8 and you should only use frame 8 for eggs thus you do not need to advance the IV frame at all.

How do I Find my Actual Starting PID Frame?
Hit the seed, enter the game, let the season message fade by itself. While the season message is fading press X rapidly to bring up the menu as quickly as possible. Exit the menu (press B) then grab the egg as quickly as possible (press A quickly!). Hatch the Egg and look for a PID frame that matches your hatched egg near your Calculated initial PID Frame. That's your actual starting PID Frame. Turn off the game without saving and redo it to get your target.
You can right click in the main window and enter the parents' IVs and the IVs from the RNG. This will make RNG reporter display characteristics which are helpful for finding your starting PID frame especially if you're using an everstone. To find the IVs from the RNG choose method 5 (Standard Seed) in the main window and generate. Look at frame 8 for the IVs from the RNG.
The judge in the battle subway is a quick way to figure out your hatched Pokemon's IVs. He will list all the stats that are tied for the highest spot and he'll say "It can't be better in that regard" if those stats have 31 IVs.

How do I Hit my Target PID Frame?
After finding your starting frame, turn off the game without saving and hit your seed again. Enter the game and remember to let the season message fade by itself. Press X rapidly to bring up the menu while the season message is fading. Now view Chatot's summary the correct number of times to get your target. Target PID frame-actual starting PID frame=number of times you need to view Chatot's summary. When you're done viewing Chatot's summary, exit the menu and grab the egg as quickly as possible. Go hatch it and enjoy your Pokemion. :)

After you grab the egg you can fly to victory road catch something immediately. Then check it's IVs. Choose method 5 (standard seed) and wild Pokemon in the main window. If the IVs of your caught Pokemon are on IV Frame 14 or 14+Z, where Z is the number of Pokemon in your party, it means you hit your seed. This can save you some time so you don't hatch an egg when you missed the seed. If you have no problem hitting the seed this is not necessary.

Where Can I Find a List of Areas With no NPCs?
Wellspring Cave (1F-B1F)
Rumination Field (For the sake of being thorough)
Relic Castle (1F-B6F)
Lostlorn Forest
Chargestone Cave (B1F)
Celestial Tower (3F-5F)
Twist Mountain (Cave with Exit to Icirrus City)
Route 17
P2 Laboratory
Mistralton Cave (2F-Guidance Chamber)
Dragonspiral Tower Entrance (North of Icirrus City, not the area with the bridge)
Dragonspiral Tower Interior (1F-2F)
Route 9
Route 10 (South of Victory Road; the third area of the Badge Check Gates)
Victory Road (1F1, 1F2, 1F3, 2F2, 5F, 7F)
Victory Road (Exterior)
Trial Chamber
Marvelous Bridge
Giant Chasm (Outside)
Giant Chasm (Outer Cave)
Giant Chasm (Inner Cave; including Kyurem’s Cave)
Challenger’s Cave (1F)

Thanks to Madarame from smogon for this list.


What's The Easiest/Hardest Things You Can RNG in Gen 5?


From easiest:Stationaries to hardest: Entralink
Stationaries (Cobalion, Kyurem, Relic Castle Volcarona, Poke ball Foongus etc)
Gift Pokemon(Fossils, Marvelous Bridge Magikarp etc)
Wild Pokemon in areas without NPCs
IDs/SIDs
Wild Pokemon in areas with NPCs
Eggs
Shaking Grass/Cave Spot/Bubble Spot
Roamers
C-gear/Entralink Pokemon

Is it Worth it to RNG Shaking Grass/Bubble Spot/Cave Spot Pokemon?
No. It's probably easier to breed for them.

Is it Worth it to RNG my ID/SID or Starters?
No. Roamers are probably the only thing RNGing your ID/SID is useful for. If you want to starter get it from an egg.

Where Should I Save to RNG a Roamer?
Save inside the house on route 7 by the door.

Where should I look for my Roamer's starting Frame?
The Roamer should be RNG'd in Month 2, 3, 6, 7, 10 or 11. Only search in the months listed. The Roamer's actual starting Frame is between 550-750.

How do I Narrow Down The List of Possible Starting Frames?
Nature and characteristic (PID%6 method)

What is the PID%6 method?
Currently RNG reporter does not list the characteristics for method 5 PIDRNG. The PID%6 method is a way to find the characteristic for each PID frame if there are multiple possible characteristics (multiple IVs tied for the highest spot). In the main window of RNG reporter click on performance options > PID display > Decimal. Look at a PID frame that could possibly be your starting frame (has the right nature). Take the PID in decimal and divide it by 6. The remainder will be a number 0-5. This remainder is your starting point on this hexagon (http://filebox.vt.edu/users/kamakiri/RNG/hexagon.png). Now go around the hexagon in a clockwise direction (look at the arrow) until you come to a stat that is a part of the tie for the highest spot. The Characteristic for that PID frame will correspond to the first stat that is a part of the tie.
If you initially land on a stat that is a part of the tie the characteristic will correspond to that stat. You do not travel around the hexagon unless the initial stat is not a part of the tie.
Often Dozes Off=HP(0), Likes to Thrash About=Atk (1), Capable of Taking Hits=Def (2), Alert to Sounds=Speed (3), Mischievous=SpA (4), Somewhat Vain=SpDef (5)
Practical Example: Let's say my target seed is 31/26/30/31/31/31. This means HP (0), Speed (3), SpA (4) and SpDef (5) are a part of the tie. I catch my roamer and find that it has the nature Timid and characteristic Alert to Sounds. Looking at the hexagon and my target IVs you can see that the only way to get Alert to Sounds (Speed) is if I land on Atk (1), Def (2) or Speed (3). This means I'm looking for a PID frame with the nature Timid and when the PID in decimal is divided by 6 the remainder must be 1, 2 or 3. So I can eliminate all Timid frames where the PID%6 is 0, 4 or 5.
If you're lazy like me you can have RNG reporter do the PID%6 for you for roamers. Setting up Researcher to do the PID%6 (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3597562&postcount=8693)
The PID%6 method can also be applied to other encounter types as well not just roamers. In fact if you are breeding RNG reporter will do it for you if you right click in the main and enter the parents' IVs and the IVs from the RNG.

How Do You Remove Fog or Weather?
Fog or weather can be removed by saving in the area. Set the clock forward by 1 month, enter the game and enter a battle in the area. After the battle the Fog/weather will be gone and you can save and RNG without the weather preventing sweet scent/messing you up.

When Will we be Able to RNG on the DSi/3DS?
You can RNG on the DSi using the c-gear method. Standard RNGing (or something similar) will probably never be possible on the DSi/3DS.

NoDice
4th August 2011, 6:18 AM
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kaiser soze
4th August 2011, 6:27 AM
Reserved for PPRNG guide UNDER CONSTRUCTION

EDIT (9/22/2011): There's a new version of PPRNG out there, so there's a good chance I'll have to re-do a lot of this since it's meant for PPRNG 1.2


Kaiser Soze's Supplemental Guide to RNG Abuse with PPRNG

Hi, I'm Kaiser and I'm writing a supplemental guide to RNG abuse using PPRNG, instead of the more common RNGreporter. PPRNG is a Macintosh-supported application used for searching and inspecting seeds for RNG abuse created by Chiizu of Smogon.

When I say "supplemental," I mean this isn't supposed to be your first RNG guide. Basically I'm translating what the guides that use RNGreporter say and make it apply to PPRNG. 90% of what you do for RNG abuse is the same whether you're using RNGreporter or PPRNG; most of the difference is between the layout of the programs. I seriously recommend reading through the above posts to familiarize yourself with the terms and process of RNG abuse. If you think you have a "stupid question," read through my guide and check the other posts here in this section (and it's not a bad idea to read the Smogon ones either). If your question is along the lines of "What should I do next?" common sense says you should read the next part of the guide (reading the entire thug is also a good idea…). RNG abuse isn't simple; you're going to have to use that God-given-gray matter between your ears. You will need to use your cognitive skills and try to solve problems; it's not easy but trust me, it's rewarding.

I will be covering 5th generation standard abuse, including finding flawless wild pokemon, shiny flawless legendaries, and breeding for both shininess and flawlessness. Since I'm a broke college student, I still own a DS lite, so right now I don't have an incentive for to learn C-gear abuse (unless we finally get DW starters). I don't know how yet, but once I need to I'll probably cover Wonder Card Abuse. While PPRNG lets you search for 4th gene seeds, you can't inspect them, so covering 4th gene use is counterproductive (Chiizu himself uses other RNG programs compatible with Macs for DPPtHGSS).


What I assume/ what you need:
- You have read other 5th Gen RNG guides (I may not explain everything the best and even screw up at times, so don't take my word on everything).
- You have watched a few RNG videos (Visual learning always helps. Even if the use RNGreporter, watch it because 90% of what you do is the same, and the rest is because of a different layout).
- You know basic breeding/Pokemon mechanics (ex: IVs, Hidden Power, Nature, gender ratio)
- You have a Mac :D (OS 10.5 Leopard onward)
- You have downloaded the latest version of PPRNG from here.
- You have a basic understanding of how RNG works, including:
- What a seed is
- The difference between the IVRNG and the PIDRNG (you really need to know this)
- You have a DS lite or phat and a legit copy of Black or White (language doesn't matter).
- You may or may not know your Secret ID. You only need it if you want a shiny, however. Google ways to do it (AR, PokeCheck, etc)
- You have a Chalot knowing chatter (two is much better). Try the GTS.
- You have a Masterball. Not necessary, but it helps save a lot of time. You will be reseting a lot, so it will help.
- You have synchronizers (again, not necessary, but useful, but you can get away without them). A pokemon with the ability synchronize at the lead of your party offers a 50% chance of encountering a pokemon with that ability.
- You should not use an Action Replay and RNG at the same time. It won't work.
- Warning!! Since RNF abuse requires you to change the time on your DS, it will affect when you can send pokemon to the Dream World. You have to wait 24 hours after changing the clock before sending pokemon to the Dream World.


The Difference between the PIDRNG and IVRNG

OK, just because I'm pretty sure someone didn't pay attention to the above posts, I'm going to explain this myself because it's just that important:
- There are two Random Number Generators in BW that make pokemon: The IVRNG and PIDRNG
- IVRNG: controls the IVs of a pokemon (and thus its Hidden Power). The IVRNG always starts on frame 1 for each seed; eggs use frame 8. It is highly recommended to use frame 1 when searching for seeds; going beyond frame 6 is unrealistic for RNG abuse.
- PIDRNG: controls the nature, gender, ability, and shininess (when combined with your TID/SID combo) of a pokemon. It also controls what pokemon appears in wild random encounters, as well as which IVs an egg receives from its parents. The PID frame for a seed usually starts between 40 and 60; you will need to manually find the one where you start. Wandering NPCs advance the frame unpredictably, as well a weather.
From the FAQ by Jolteon135:

How do I Advance the IV Frame?
Preferred Method: Walking 128 steps with Z Pokemon in your party advances the IV frame by Z. The IVRNG starts on frame 1 (generally you should stick to frame 1 for IVs).

-Moving a Pokemon from your box to your party (Move/Withdraw) advances the IV frame by 7
-During a battle the IV frame advances by 120 frames per second (use repels!)

How do I Advance The PID Frame?
Preferred Method: Viewing Chatot's summary advances the PID frame by 1 per view. You can flip between Chatot and another Pokemon or between 2 Chatots.
The starting PID frame varies and must be calculated. *See the searching FAQ.
Note*:You must use the move Chatter outside of battle and record something with the DS mic. Blank recordings are fine. Chatot loses the recording when it's placed in a PC box so you will have to rerecord it if you place your Chatot in the PC.

-Saving advances the PID frame by 1 per save. This is mainly used for starters.
-Walking advances the PID frame by approximately 2 per step. A better approximation is (377/170≈2.2) per step.
-Turning advances the PID frame by 2 per turn. A turn does not count if you're running (holding B). It does count if you are walking/riding the bike.
-NPCs advance the PID frame by random amounts. This is why we need frame 1 for IVs in areas with NPCs. If we have to walk the NPCs will advance the frame by a lot and screw us up.



Finding parameters:
- Get your team ready. You need an open spot in your party (so less than 6 pokemon). You need a pokemon with the move Sweet Scent. Having a masterball will also help.
- Go to a place with no wandering NPCs and fairly high-leveled pokemon; the last cave on Victory Road is pretty popular. Save there.
- Turn off your game and open up PPRNG, then click on "DS/Game Config." Enter in your game version, your TID/SID (if known; only needed for a shiny), your DS type, and MAC address. Leave Timer0, Vcount and Vframe blank for now. Name your configuration (I have them named Black and White). Click OK.
- To find your MAC address (it has nothing to do with Apple products; it's more like an ID number):
- Click on DS Parameters Searcher. Turn on your DS but pause at the DS menu screen. Press A to boot your game at the top of the minute, and do not press any buttons until you see the Game Freak comet (but out of habit I wait until I see N's castle. Remember the date and time for later. Spam A to get to the game, click A for Continue, and do not turn on your C-gear!!! Once in the actual game world, pull up the menu, go to your party, and use the move Sweet Scent. You will be pulled into battle with a wild pokemon; catch it. Once added to your party use an IV calculator to check its IVs. Usually you can get by if some are between 2-3 values. Enter in your IV range for the pokemon you caught, the time you pressed A to boot the game. Don't select any keypresses because if you've been following instructions you didn't. Click search; ideally you get one result. If you have more than one, try to shrink the range of possible IVs until you get one line. If you have none, try to restart your game again, repeating the process.
- When you get one parameter result, note the time for the seed and its deviation from the time you really pressed A. Usually the seed's time is a second later than the time. Take note; you will need to take this into account when you try to hit seeds later.
- Write down the results of the Timer0, Vcount and Vframe for now. Your Timer0 has a tendency to uncontrollably fluctuate between two adjacent values, so it's essential you find the more common one.
- Repeat the process multiple times; 5-10 is ideal. You may stop once you're sure you found the more consistent
- Pro Tip: Try to restart your DS at the same time for each test. If you start seeing the same pokemon multiple times, it means you found your Timer0!
- Once you are sure you found the right Timer0, enter them into the DS/ Game Configuration settings. You're now ready to begin RNGing!



Standard Seed Searcher Overview:
The top part is used for specifying your search criteria; the lower part displays the results


Top
Date: the range of dates to be searched. The wider the dates, the longer the search will take, but the more likely you will get good results. The default setting is whatever today is.
Held keys: Keys held while trying to hit a seed (how will be covered later). "None" and "one" are the default settings.
Pro Tip: While holding buttons may seem daunting at first, you won't get may good results when only "none" is checked. It's not that hard with a little experience. if you want a frame 1 flawless seed, practically speaking you will need to check all of them.
IV pattern: The minimum and maximum range of IVs for your results. There are three default choices and "Custom":
Hex Flawless: minimum of 31 for all six IVs (hex is he prefix for six).
Physical Flawless: minimum of 31 in all IVs except Special Attack
Special Flawless: minimum of 31 in all IVs except Attack
Special Hidden Power Flawless: minimum of 30 in all IVs except Attack. Note that certain Hidden Power types require 30s in some stats and restrict others from being 31. Since Hidden Power is a special attack, attack is left blank.
Pro Tip: most pokemon do not require six 31s. Physically-based pokemon like Haxorus and Scrafty rarely ruse special attacks, and special attackers like Chandelure and Jellicent don't use their attack stat. While getting all 31s for your wild pokemon's IVs can be tempting, it's far easier to search for something physically or specially flawless, especially for something shiny. Consider this: by not specifying a 6th IV, you should get about 32x the results (since there are 32 possible IV values per stat).
Roamer: check here if the seed you want is for a roamer (as of now Tornadus/Thundurus)
Hidden Power: If you want something Special Hidden Power Flawless, check here for desired type and minimum power. Do realize not every pokemon needs to run Hidden Power, and it's useless for physically-based pokemon.
IV frame: The minimum and maximum IV frames that will be searched. The default is 1-50. Always lower this to a maximum of 6, if not 1.
Shiny: Check here if you wand seeds with a shiny PID frame. Specify nature and the PID range you want.
Note: Do NOT NOT NOT try to search for shiny pokemon with flawless IVs in the wild unless they are a legendary. It will be a waste of time, and 99% of the time you can easily just breed for the shiny. This is because of the Encounter Slot Value, which will probably not match the pokemon you want 9to be covered later). Roaming NPCs also make this an issue.
Note 2: Currently PPRNG Standard Seed Searcher to my knowledge does not allow you to search for synchronizable shiny seeds. It may be a good idea when searching for a shiny flawless seed to not select a nature and look through your results for good natures and synchronizible seeds.


Bottom
Date: the date for the seed, month/day/year.
Time(24hr): The time for the seed, given in hour:minute:second. Note that it is a 24-hour clock; i.e. 8:30 PM becomes 20:30.
Tmr0: the Timer0 for the seed. If you decided to use multiple Timer0s in your parameter, then make note of this. However,if you only use one (as I recommend, since one of them is much more consistent) then this isn't too important.
Keys: Keypresses necessary to hit the seed.
A, B, X, Y: Refers to the right buttons
L, R: Left and right bumpers at the top of your DS
Left, right, up, down: Refers to the D-pad
Sel, St: The Select and Start buttons at the bottom. Harder to hit.
Dn-Lf, Up-Rt, etc.: This means holding the D-pad in two directions at once. Try holding your thumb over both directions at once. These are much harder to hit; I recommend using alternative seeds if possible.
Seed: The value of the seed. (honestly you don't need to pay that much attention to it)
IV frm: the IV frame with an IV spread that matches the search criteria.
HP-SPE: the values for the IVs in each stat.
Hidden: The typing of the Hidden Power
Pwr: the power of the Hidden Power
Note: the following slots will only be filled if there is a shiny pokemon on this seed
Star frame: The PID frame where a shiny pokemon will appear.
Nature: The nature of said shiny pokemon.
Abil: The ability of the pokemon; see Standard Seed Inspector for details.
Sync: If there is a "Y" here, you can use a synchronizer in the lead of your party to get a specific nature for the shiny pokemon besides the one listed earlier.
ESV: Encounter Slot Value. See Standard Seed Inspector for details.
Gender: The gender of the shiny pokemon; see Standard Seed Inspector for details.


Standard Seed Inspector
Double-clicking on a seed you want to use produces the SSE with the seed entered in. At the top you will see the details for the seed, including the Timer0, date, etc. Note: current versions of PPRNG does not allow saving or filtering search results (you can, however, reorganize results by clicking at the top of a column).

Frames
Use this page to examine the IV and PID frames for each seed.
IV frame generator: use to look up the IV frames for a seed. Check '"Roamer" if you need a spread for a roamer.

PID Frame generator:
Frame type: chose between:
Grass/Cave Encounter (most used)
Surfing Encounter
Fishing Encounter
Shaking Grass Encounter
Swirling Dust Encounter
Bridge Shadow Encounter
Water Spot Surfing Encounter
Water Spot Fishing Encounter
Highlink Encounter
Stationary Encounter
Reshiram/Zekrom/Victini
Starter/Fossil/Gift
Roamer Spawn

Frame: # of the PID frame
Nature: Nature of the pokemon on the frame
PID: the value of the PID frame
Star: A star means the pokemon is shiny
Abil: the ability of the pokemon; will either be 0 or 1. To find out what ability your target pokemon will have, go to its pokedex entry on Serebii or another web site: if it has two non-DW abilities, the first one listed is the 0 ability, the second is 1. For example Moxie Scraggy has an ability value of 1. The value is irrelevant for pokemon with one (non-DW) ability.
Sync: If there is a "Y" here, you can use a synchronizer in the lead of your party to get a specific nature for the pokemon on the frame besides the one listed earlier.
ESV: Encounter Slot Value. The value (between 0 and 11) here corresponds to which pokemon will appear in the wild. Go to an Encounter Slot Table for Black or White (links are in the first post, or google it). For each area in a pokemon game with wild pokemon, each ESV corresponds with specific pokemon at a certain level that may be found there. For example, if we go to the Great Chasm (plains), we see that Dittos can be found on frames with an ESV of 3 or 6.
Gender: the gender of a pokemon on that frame. You probably notice that there are 4 letters there, like M/M/F/F; this is because of gender ratios. The first one (M/M/F/F) is for pokemon with an 87.5% chance of being male, like starters. The second (M/M/F/F) is for pokemon with a 75% chance of being male. The third (M/M/F/F) is for those with a 50% chance of being male, and the let one (M/M/F/F) is for those with a 75% chance of being female. Ignore for pokemon with only one gender (Mandibuzz, Thundurus) and genderless pokemon (Ditto, Porygon, etc.).
Held: Percentage chance that a pokemon will have an item (not sure on this one)
Fish: For fishing encounters: "Y" means you will catch a fish on this frame.
Item?: For encounters that can provide items (like swirling dust gems), "Y" means you will find an item on this frame

Adjacents
Use the adjacents tab if you are in doubt if you hit your seed an/or the pokemon you got does not match your expected results. It's also a handy tool for manually searching for your (Shifted) Starting Frame. You can see if the second you hit was off (default is +/- 1). Notice that the default PID frame range is 50 +/- 10, AKA 40-60, the range for your starting PID frame.


How to hit seeds
(from Jolteon13's FAQ above)
(you might want to practice hitting IV frame 1 seeds with a few (3-4) 31s or a specific Hidden Power before moving on to bigger targets):



How do I Hit The Seed?
Set the DS date to the date that RNG reporter gives you in the time finder. Set the clock to the time that RNG reporter gives you. After setting the time, quickly turn off the game and turn it back on. Watch the seconds hand on the DS clock and wait for the correct second. Press A to start up the game 1 second before the time that RNG reporter gives you. I.E. If RNG reporter tells you to start at 7/23/2011 and 8:32:22 you would set the date to 7/23/2011, set the clock to 8:32, turn off/on and wait for the seconds hand to hit 21 and press A to start up the game as soon as the seconds hand hits 21.

Where and How do I Hold Keypresses?
Keypresses are held immediately after you start up the game from the DS menu menu. Start up the game by pressing A 1 second before the time RNG reporter gives, let go of A immediately and hold the required keypresses until the gamefreak logo comes on.

What do I do if I Have no Keypresses
After you start up the game from the DS menu wait until the gamefreak logo comes on before you press any buttons.

How do I Hit my Target IV Frame?
You start on your target IV frame (frame 1).

How I search for flawless seeds:
It takes a lot of patience to find good flawless seeds. When searching for good shiny flawless seeds, I recommend setting the date for an entire year (1/1/2011 to 12/31/2011), select all the keypresses (or at least none-2), set the IV frame range from 1 to 1, and (optional) shiny without a specific nature. If you want a shiny, I advise against searching for Hex Flawless, since it takes a lot of searching to find both. It takes several hours to search for quint-flawless seeds; try to leave it running in the background as you do work, watch a movie, leave your Mac running while you do something else, etc. (note: you might experience lag using other big programs, so don't try to exhaust your computer). Shiny flawless seeds are best reserved for legendaries, as the ESV (explained above) may not correspond to your target pokemon, and breeding is usually easier (and requires fewer PID advancements and searches). If you think you can try the walking method to advance the IV frame, you can try increasing the IV frame range to 1-6 (although to be honest I haven't had success with it yet, and it's harder to find you starting PID frame after walking around). Do realize you will need a higher minimum PID range for shinies. You can also try different years if you're not satisfied with your results (for example I went to 2009 for my Kyurem seed on frame 1).


Wild pokemon/legendaries:

Legendary/random wild pokemon with flawless IVs
Example: Liberty Island Victini
***If you already caught your Victini, you can try Reshiram/Zekrom, or you can try Sweet Scenting in an NPC-free area, like the Great Chasm cave or the last cave of Victory Road. The three legendaries are being provided as examples because they cannot shine. You can try another stationary legend for practice, but yu probably want to save it for later so you can get a shiny.
ProTip: If you are testing your skills at hitting seeds, do NOT save after catching your legendary until you are satisfied with your results. If you plan on resetting, you can also use your Masterball to speed up the process. Be aware that if you target Reshiram/Zekrom, you will eventually be forced to save when the game ends (you might want to deliberately lose to N so you can check your results).
What you need:
- A seed with an IV frame of 1 with the IVs you want
***- A Sweet Scenter (if you're going for a wild target)
- IV calculator (to check results)
- A free spot in your party (make it faster to check results)
1) Get right in front of your target (Victini) and save. Turn off your game.
2) Set your game clock at the date of the seed and the minute. Press A, turn off the game again, and turn it back on. Skip the warning menu and press A to load the game once the analog clock's second hand hits your target. (Be aware of the difference from your Parameter searching: if you're a second fast, for example, press A a second earlier than the seed says). Press your required keypresses immediately after pressing A (holding them as you press A isn't a bad idea if it's a button that won't pull up another menu) and hold them until you see the GameFreak comet.
3) Once you see the GF comet, spam A to get to the menu. Continue to your game an do not turn on the C-gear
4) Either "talk" to your target pokemon or use Sweet Scent to start a battle with a pokemon. Catch it.
5) Look at the summary of the pokemon and use an IV calculator for a match in IVs. You can also take it to the Battle Subway IV judge who can tell you which IVs are 31, as well as the Hidden Power judge so you can tell if you have the same Hidden Power. Note: if you use a calculator and the IV ranges are a little wide, chances are you still hit your seed, especially if it has the expected Hidden Power typing.
6) Congratulations! You are now able to hit seeds and use IV frame 1. Restart without saving if you don't want to keep the pokemon you caught or used your Masterball, or save if you want it.
ProTip: The pokemon you want probably does not have the nature you want. To change this, have a synchronizer in the lead in your party with the nature you want; you will have a 50% chance of getting the nature you want. However, it's probably better to learn how to advance the PID frame for 99% of your RNG hunts for desirable natures.

Learning to advance the PID frame - Example: Hex flawless Ditto
So now you know how to hit a seed and have been introduced to the IVRNG. Now we will learn about the PIDRNG: the one that controls natures, abilities, encounter slots, and most importantly, shininess. We will start simply by trying to get an


Aiming for a shiny
Example: Terrakion




Eggs:
- Egg breeding is, in my humble opinion, the best and most efficient RNG method. It is the easiest way to get a shiny and requires the least amount of searches.

Credits:

Beck
4th August 2011, 6:42 AM
While I'm still here I might get a little bit greedy. Also I'm not sure how BW moderators are about post ownership changes but if necessary we can ask. Either way we'll have to consolidate much of that information as at the moment it's an eyesore. But it's okay for right now. Awesome job, STUD. I'm not the only one who appreciates this.

Too Funk to Druck
4th August 2011, 6:49 AM
I just have a small nitpick. Where it says:

Unlike in 4th Generation games such as Platinum, Heart Gold, and Soul Silver, RNG no longer requires you to have access to your SID(Secret ID), nor does it require you to hit a delay. It simply requires you to boot up your game at a certain time within roughly a second.

In Gen 4, you didn't need your SID if you weren't going for shinies either. Just like Gen 5. And the way it's worded, it kinda sounds like you don't need to find it at all.

Edit: Another nitpick: The monkey you get from the girl in the Dreamyard is also on IV Frame 8. If there's any other gift Pokemon(barring Larvesta, which I believe has its own method), they're also on IV Frame 8.

NoDice
4th August 2011, 6:57 AM
While I'm still here I might get a little bit greedy. Also I'm not sure how BW moderators are about post ownership changes but if necessary we can ask. Either way we'll have to consolidate much of that information as at the moment it's an eyesore. But it's okay for right now. Awesome job, STUD. I'm not the only one who appreciates this.
Yeah I need to do some indentations and better spacing, but I tried to lay it out simple and used the terms as a way for newbies to familiarize themselves with things before heading down to click the links and learn to do it. I will try to consolidate information as much as I can but still try to keep it simple.

I just have a small nitpick. Where it says:


In Gen 4, you didn't need your SID if you weren't going for shinies either. Just like Gen 5. And the way it's worded, it kinda sounds like you don't need to find it at all.
I will reword it a bit better, and specify that you dont need your SID if you arent going to search for shinies.

Reserved if someone else needs a spot later

Beck already posted and I deleted my post above him to have a slot if needed. Sweet May didnt want other people reserving posts at all, but I know you both will contribute to this thread becoming something bigger than anything the last one could have been.



EDIT: @ Too Funk - I changed both of the things you suggested... please let me know if they seem alright now.. Im seriously going to bed this time though guys (and gal!) lol goodnight

bobandbill
4th August 2011, 11:06 AM
Also note that in the worst case if someone who posted early on won't edit/can't edit, us mods can just edit their posts if we think it's worthwhile to do so and all.

Carry on!

Kailassa
4th August 2011, 12:29 PM
Today my son caught our first RNG'd shinies. This has become a joint endeavor, as we both want top-notch shinies we've caught or bred ourselves.

We made a discovery that I'm recording here just in case it's not generally known already.

I was lucky enough to find a synchronizable 31/31/31/x/31/31 shiny seed for this month on frame 1 with a PIDRNG of 0. So off he went to Route 9 with an Adamant synchronizer and sweet scenter. He got the shinies we were after in the grass, and in Challenger's cave, but the pokemon caught in the double grass were PIDRNG frame 1 pokemon, not frame 0. These were single battles, btw, no double battles happened.

So it seems being in double grass means you start on a PIDRNG frame of 1 instead of 0. This is handy to know if you want the higher leveled pokemon double grass provides.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 3:01 PM
Thread looks good. I will help with any text guides and I might make a video guide if 9.82 comes out before I go back to college.
P.S. If anyone wants to make a video guide I suggest using CamStudio to show what you're doing in RNG reporter.

Another nitpick: The monkey you get from the girl in the Dreamyard is also on IV Frame 8. If there's any other gift Pokemon(barring Larvesta, which I believe has its own method), they're also on IV Frame 8.
Pretty sure all gifts are IV frame 1 as stated by Kaphotics (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3670200&postcount=3): "All Wild, Stationary, Roamer and Gift Pokemon have their IV frames starting on 1."
Yes eggs are IV frame 8 and Larvesta egg is IV frame 2.

Also @STUD: Starters are gifts.

Wardek
4th August 2011, 3:06 PM
New thread. Thanks for the list of Non-NPCs STUD.

@Anyone who wants to make a guide: As Jolteon suggested, use CamStudio and the reduce the size of the video using another program like after effect.

Edit: If your adding guides to the first post, I have a link to simple guide for begginers to find Parameters, Stationary and Egg RNGing.

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 3:19 PM
The new thread looks great so far everyone, very nicely done. Sadly, I don't know how active I'm going to be on this thread or the club. I've come to realize that people who constantly break rules, attack other users for no reason and the like, get prefferential treatment on this site. Feel free to read the VM I got from what seems to be a "less-than-pleased" mod, when all I did was defend a fellow RNGer who was attacked by some 19-yr old, immature little prick who doesn't think RNG is "fair" and that there is no work put into this method. At which point, yes...I decided to twist the knife and hatch the shiny Zangoose that this user has been trying to hatch for over 2,000 eggs. And ya know...it felt damn good to do so, because Shadowxhunted (aka Gligari Jr.), or whatever the hell his username is does nothing more than complain and break the rules of that thread and attack RNGers for no reason, and it seems without consequence.

I think that this mod fails to realize how much time and effort I put into hatching shinies via MM before getting frustrated that they would hatch with bad natures, and even worse IVs some of the time. I know how much frustration comes with getting shinies this way, and that's why I decided to learn a more efficient way to get the ones I was after. But appearently, that makes me the villian....and I'm fine with that. It's funny that even other users on the "shiny disc/faq" thread seem to have no problem when any of us post there, just a small minority...but as the old saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets oiled first.

In light of this and other incidents that I see happen here, I'm just not sure that this site is something worth my time anymore. I may still lurk from time to time and answer other's questions when/if I see them here, but I think I'm going to go somewhere where all users are treated more fairly, especially when the subject of forums like these is a game. I wish you all the best of luck and continued success in this and any other future games.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 3:32 PM
when u click on ds parameters when ur cablibrating
and u see the time box what time do i start at the ds menu
say if i put
3:35:30 in the box
at what time do i hit start at the ds menu
do i start from the ds menu at 3:35:30 or at 3:35:00
Date=Date you set the DS clock to
Time=Time you start up the game at from the DS menu (clock screen).
If you want to start up at 3:35:30 you would set the clock to 3:35, turn off the game, turn it back on and watch the seconds hand on the clock until the seconds hand hits 30. Press A to start up the game as soon as the seconds hand hits 30 and then wait for the gamefreak logo before you press any other buttons. Enter the game. Remember to choose "no" when asked if you want to turn on the c-gear. Then sweet scent and catch a Pokemon. Check it's IVs and enter all that info into the parameter finder.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 4:03 PM
can u use a legendary pokemon to calibrate???

Yes, though I don't get why you wouldn't just use sweet scent?
You don't really need anything higher level than Victory road Pokemon.

P.S. Edit your post instead of double posting.

Tarro57
4th August 2011, 4:04 PM
can u use a legendary pokemon to calibrate???

Yes, but you might not want to incase you want to RNG it in the Future.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 4:09 PM
Yes, but you might not want to incase you want to RNG it in the Future.

umm...I don't think he was going to save after catching the legendary (why would he do that?).

Tarro57
4th August 2011, 4:10 PM
umm...I don't think he was going to save after catching the legendary (why would he do that?).

IDK, maybe he would save accidentally. I hope I spelled that right.

Nikator
4th August 2011, 4:17 PM
As a newcomer to RNG'ing (first one completed yesterday) I think this thread is absolutely fantastic. It makes much more sense to anyone who is beginning from scratch and not Gen IV and I can't wait to use it to try PIDRNG's and Egg's etc..

I'm in a rush so haven't had time to read the top post, so sorry if these are answered there. But I have 3 questions to pose:
1.) Can anyone trade me a Chatot?
2.) How do I find out my SID?
3.) Is a foreign Ditto with flawless IV's neccesary for hatching flawless shinies?

Thanks in advance, and once again congratulations on a brilliant thread!

Beck
4th August 2011, 4:20 PM
The new thread looks great so far everyone, very nicely done. Sadly, I don't know how active I'm going to be on this thread or the club. I've come to realize that people who constantly break rules, attack other users for no reason and the like, get prefferential treatment on this site. Feel free to read the VM I got from what seems to be a "less-than-pleased" mod, when all I did was defend a fellow RNGer who was attacked by some 19-yr old, immature little prick who doesn't think RNG is "fair" and that there is no work put into this method. At which point, yes...I decided to twist the knife and hatch the shiny Zangoose that this user has been trying to hatch for over 2,000 eggs. And ya know...it felt damn good to do so, because Shadowxhunted (aka Gligari Jr.), or whatever the hell his username is does nothing more than complain and break the rules of that thread and attack RNGers for no reason, and it seems without consequence.

I think that this mod fails to realize how much time and effort I put into hatching shinies via MM before getting frustrated that they would hatch with bad natures, and even worse IVs some of the time. I know how much frustration comes with getting shinies this way, and that's why I decided to learn a more efficient way to get the ones I was after. But appearently, that makes me the villian....and I'm fine with that. It's funny that even other users on the "shiny disc/faq" thread seem to have no problem when any of us post there, just a small minority...but as the old saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets oiled first.

In light of this and other incidents that I see happen here, I'm just not sure that this site is something worth my time anymore. I may still lurk from time to time and answer other's questions when/if I see them here, but I think I'm going to go somewhere where all users are treated more fairly, especially when the subject of forums like these is a game. I wish you all the best of luck and continued success in this and any other future games.

The blatent obscenity on your Visitor Message wall is blinding, and quite ironic. But there's nothing either of us can do about it, so, like you've suggested, we should dismiss it. That is life. I also find myself getting frustrated with SPPf only to remember that this is a child's forum, or rather, a forum for those who can still act as children among children. You've got to take what you can get. I'm sad to see you more or less leave, darth, as you're undoubtedly a solid base of this community we've formed. Nonetheless, good luck later on.

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 4:28 PM
The blatent obscenity on your Visitor Message wall is blinding, and quite ironic. But there's nothing either of us can do about it, so, like you've suggested, we should dismiss it. That is life. I also find myself getting frustrated with SPPf only to remember that this is a child's forum, or rather, a forum for those who can still act as children among children. You've got to take what you can get. I'm sad to see you more or less leave, darth, as you're undoubtedly a solid base of this community we've formed. Nonetheless, good luck later on.

I haven't decided yet...gonna take a little while to "cool down" before jumping to any rash decisions. It's all about perspective, and I was obviously unhappy to see that when I logged on first thing this morning. But as you said, that's life. I think it may have been more of a rage/vent post than anything. I'll think I'll just try to focus on the positives of a new thread and the help we can be to newcomers, and even each other. Thanks for helping me see what's more important.

Btw, now it's Weezer quotes? If I don't see LTJ lyrics in a Beck post, I feel like I'm in a twilight zone :)

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 4:29 PM
1.) Can anyone trade me a Chatot?
Serebii has a trade forum. You should use it.

2.) How do I find out my SID?
Pokecheck.org, ir-gts-bw or restart your game and RNG it.


3.) Is a foreign Ditto with flawless IV's neccesary for hatching flawless shinies?
No. It helps though.

I'll trade you the Chatot and a Flawless Japanese Ditto if you want but you might have to wait a few hours. I'll VM when I have them ready. In the meantime if someone else wants to help him out go ahead.

Tarro57
4th August 2011, 4:53 PM
As a newcomer to RNG'ing (first one completed yesterday) I think this thread is absolutely fantastic. It makes much more sense to anyone who is beginning from scratch and not Gen IV and I can't wait to use it to try PIDRNG's and Egg's etc..

I'm in a rush so haven't had time to read the top post, so sorry if these are answered there. But I have 3 questions to pose:
1.) Can anyone trade me a Chatot?
2.) How do I find out my SID?
3.) Is a foreign Ditto with flawless IV's neccesary for hatching flawless shinies?

Thanks in advance, and once again congratulations on a brilliant thread!

Here are my answers for you:

1.) I can trade you.
2.) You can use Pokecheck which tells you all of the details about the Pokemon you send there. (Requires Wi-Fi) (You keep the Pokemon you send)
3.) A foreign flawless Ditto is very, Very good when breeding but isn't necessary.

Kailassa
4th August 2011, 5:50 PM
Date=Date you set the DS clock to
Time=Time you start up the game at from the DS menu (clock screen).
If you want to start up at 3:35:30 you would set the clock to 3:35, turn off the game, turn it back on and watch the seconds hand on the clock until the seconds hand hits 30. Press A to start up the game as soon as the seconds hand hits 30 and then wait for the gamefreak logo before you press any other buttons. Enter the game. Remember to choose "no" when asked if you want to turn on the c-gear. Then sweet scent and catch a Pokemon. Check it's IVs and enter all that info into the parameter finder.
Don't people commonly need to start up the game 1 second early because of a delay in the game?
I know I have to, to hit the right seed.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 6:01 PM
Don't people commonly need to start up the game 1 second early because of a delay in the game?
I know I have to, to hit the right seed.
He wasn't trying to hit a specific seed. He was trying to find his parameters.


i found a seed i like what do i do with it do i copy and paste it to the main rng reporter or what???
Well eggs aren't the way to start. Eggs are fairly difficult. I'd say a stationary or wild Pokemon is the way to start. Do you even have flawless Ditto to do eggs?

EDIT: I'm going to PM you something.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 6:31 PM
yes i have a flawless japanese ditto modest nature
EDIT: once i find my seed and i paste it into the seed (hex) what do i do to breed shiny eggs or would finding flawless pokemon in the wild be easier for me since im a begginner

So you're going to RNG a wild Pokemon? Well the first step is to make sure your IV frame is 1. Look in the time finder to see if the seed you chose says frame 1. If it's not frame 1 search again. Click "5th gen DS parameters setup" and choose 2 or 3 keypresses before searching.

After you post the seed in the main window and generate the list of PID frames you need to look for a frame that gives you what you want (nature, ability, encounter slot etc). Encounter slots determine what Pokemon you encounter when you sweet scent. For a list of encounter slots click on 5th gen tools in the main window of RNG reporter and click on Black or White Encounter Tables. Once you've found a target frame it's time to find your actual starting frame.

This is the tricky part. Your actual starting PID frame is usually slightly higher than the calculated initial PID frame that RNG reporter gives you because of the NPCs (unless you're in an area with no NPCs). To find it you must hit your seed, enter the game without turning on the c-gear, let the seasons message fade by itself. While the seasons message is fading press the X button rapidly to bring up the menu as quickly as possible. Then sweet scent and catch the Pokemon you encounter. Check it's IVs to see if you hit your seed. If you did hit your seed look at the list of PID frames and look for a PID frame near your "Calculated initial PID frame" that matches the caught Pokemon. The matching frame will have the same nature, ability, encounter slot etc. That's your actual starting PID frame. Turn off the game without saving and redo it to get your target PID frame.

To hit your target PID frame:
Once you've found your actual starting PID frame, hit your seed again, let the season message fade by itself. While the season message is fading press the X button rapidly to bring up the menu as soon as it fades. This time you view Chatot's summary the appropriate number of times to advance from your actual starting frame to your target frame. Remember each view of Chatot's summary advances the PID frame by 1 so target frame-actual starting frame=the number of times you need to view Chatot's summary before sweet scenting.
Note*: If you're using a synchronizer, put another Pokemon first in your party after you open the menu. The synchronizer will only complicate things when you're trying to find your actual starting PID frame.

P.S. That was all a part of what i sent you. Gotta actually read through it or use Ctrl+F. The answers to all your questions are there.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 6:46 PM
which frame are u talking about the min -max one or the vframe or the the frame i got in time finder

The frame you get in the time finder should be 1. That's your IV frame. The frames in the main window are your PID frames.

IV frame determines IVs, PID frame determines everything else.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 6:50 PM
so its bad if i got 356 than
Yes. Set min frame to 1 and max frame to 1 in the time finder. Click on 5th gen DS parameters setup and choose 2 or 3 keypresses. Keypresses help you find a result faster. Synchronizers help too. If you can catch/trade for a synchronizer with the correct nature that would be good. Synchronize Elgyems are easy to catch in the Celestial Tower and Munna can also have synchronize. If you're using a synchronize don't choose nature in the time finder. Only choose sync nature.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 7:00 PM
wait hold on i did do all that i set my keypresses to three and i have a alkazam modest synch and the frame i got was 356

The frame you got in the time finder? You can't get frame 356 in the time finder if your max frame is 1 so I don't know what you're looking at. Screenshot might help.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 7:09 PM
let me just start over can u walk me through it

Look at this picture (http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u293/jfdnew/TID1.jpg)

See how every number under frame is 1? That's what you're supposed to be seeing. That frame is your IV frame and it should be 1.
Remember not to choose nature if you have a synchronizer and use the appropriate encounter type for what you're trying to RNG.

Metagross-
4th August 2011, 7:21 PM
Ok, I have a question, if I want to practice for just IVs, can I just try what the time finder tells me, or do I need the main window?

The ironic thing is, I got my first try at RNGing perfect, but I used a masterball and haven't been able to do it since, 2 days trying so far.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 7:23 PM
yes thats the place where it said 356 on my frame
it didnt say 1 like urs
Did you search again and set it up similar to mine? If you search again and you're still getting high IV frames you'll need to post a screenshot. Press Prnt Scrn then open up something like paint or photoshop and paste (Ctrl+ V) it then save it. Upload it somewhere like photobucket and post a link.


Ok, I have a question, if I want to practice for just IVs, can I just try what the time finder tells me, or do I need the main window?

The ironic thing is, I got my first try at RNGing perfect, but I used a masterball and haven't been able to do it since, 2 days trying so far.
The main window is for generating PID frames. If you're only concerned with IVs all you need is the time finder.

Too Funk to Druck
4th August 2011, 7:24 PM
Ok, I have a question, if I want to practice for just IVs, can I just try what the time finder tells me, or do I need the main window?

The ironic thing is, I got my first try at RNGing perfect, but I used a masterball and haven't been able to do it since, 2 days trying so far.

If you don't care about natures, you can just use Time Finder. If you do, you need to go into the main page to find your starting PID frame, and to see what PID Frame you need to hit for a certain nature.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 7:36 PM
i may be doing something wrong with the calibrating can u walk me throught it so i can see if im doing it write like step by step

That wouldn't affect anything for searching. You would only notice that when you actual attempt to RNG something in the game.

The parameters you found like correct parameters


vcount:60 ,vframe:6 , TImer0: C7C , Gxstat:6
That's it, right? Yeah those look correct. Click on 5th gen DS parameters setup and make sure the parameters there are the same as those.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 7:43 PM
wait the encounter type has to be roaming for rnging a wild pokemon

No...I said choose the appropriate encounter type. That would be "Wild Pokemon" if you want to RNG a wild Pokemon.

Metagross-
4th August 2011, 7:46 PM
If I have tried multiple times for a flawless pokemon and I am sure I am doing the steps right, but I get th wrong IVs, should I try recalibrating?

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 7:49 PM
well what could affect it

*sigh* I'm not going to take random guesses at what you're doing wrong. There are a million different things you could have entered wrong. Post a screenshot of your time finder window so I can find what's wrong.

Too Funk to Druck
4th August 2011, 7:49 PM
If I have tried multiple times for a flawless pokemon and I am sure I am doing the steps right, but I get th wrong IVs, should I try recalibrating.

You can, but it might not be necessary. It's possible that you're simply starting the game slightly too early/late. And, are you making sure to start the game a second before the time you're given in Time Finder?

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 7:53 PM
If I have tried multiple times for a flawless pokemon and I am sure I am doing the steps right, but I get th wrong IVs, should I try recalibrating?

Do you keep getting the same wrong IVs? Right click the seed in the time finder and click generate adjacent seeds (current frame). See if you can find the wrong IVs in there. If not try generate adjacent seeds (frame 1) and see if you find them there. If you can't find them at all then it's probably not a timing issue or timer0 issue. In that case you should recalibrate.

Metagross-
4th August 2011, 7:53 PM
Yes, a second before, I use military time, make sure date and time are correct, I hold the keypresses until the GameFreak sign(or whatever it is called) shows up and swee scent where I want the pokemon.

Edit: Thanks I'll try that.

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 8:29 PM
hey i tried the whole process over and i found a seed i like do i copy and paste the seed or the full seed

You copy the full seed to the main window of RNG reporter, and enter it where it says "Seed(Hex)".

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 8:48 PM
after i copied the full seed to my seed (hex) do i click generate
and i have a question can u click on the shiny only box and it will generate shiny pokemon or no and if u can can u also mess with the nature and ability in the main rng screen

After you enter the seed, click "Calculate Initial PIDRNG frame", and then press generate. If you're only trying for IVs right now on a wild pokemon, you don't need the main RNG Reporter window. If your IV frame is 1, and you found a seed with the IV spread that you're looking for, you only need to start the game when it says to, and press any keys if necessary. You need to able to do this before you start worrying about shinies or natures.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 8:49 PM
after i copied the full seed to my seed (hex) do i click generate
and i have a question can u click on the shiny only box and it will generate shiny pokemon or no and if u can can u also mess with the nature and ability in the main rng screen

Right click your seed in the time finder and copy to clipboard. In the main window choose method 5 PIDRNG, paste your seed (Ctrl+V) where it says seed (hex), choose the encounter type, choose the sync nature (if applicable), click "Calculate Initial PID Frame" then click generate.

That's exactly what you should do, nothing else. Don't check shiny only, nature ,abilities or anything else. You will not be able to see the full list which you need to find your actual starting frame. If you want a shiny you should check "search for nearby shiny frames" in the time finder before you search.

After you do that, look for a PID frame that gives you what you desire (nature, ability, encounter slot etec). That will be your target PID frame.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 8:52 PM
since i just calibrated do i save the game or just turn it off because i used a durant to calibrate from victory road and i dont know if i save where i want to rng or i just turn it off

Yes you can turn off the game when you're done calibrating. Save in the area where you want to RNG. Make sure you have everything ready before saving. Sweet scenter, Chatot (with a recording), etc.

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 8:57 PM
since i just calibrated do i save the game or just turn it off because i used a durant to calibrate from victory road and i dont know if i save where i want to rng or i just turn it off

Save wherever you're planning on RNGing. Make sure to have all the necessary pokes in your party [sweet scenter, chatot(s), false swiper, etc].

Edit - ninja'd

Metagross-
4th August 2011, 9:00 PM
why do i need chatot
the date\time is this on my seed
8/03/11 and 12:10:03
dont i just set my ds clock to this time or no or what do i set it up

I know this one: you switch in between the summaries of chatots that have a voice recorded and it increases the PID Frame which is used for natures and shinies, correct me if I'm wrong, I want to learn. :)

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 9:00 PM
^Yeah you're right.

why do i need chatot
the date\time is this on my seed
8/03/11 and 12:10:03
dont i just set my ds clock to this time or no or what do i set it up

Chatot is used to manipulate the PIDRNG which controls everything from nature to IVs, to shininess, what pokemon you encounter etc. If you just want a random pokemon with good IVs then you don't need Chatot. But if you're looking for a specific Pokemon/nature/ability/other stuff you will need a Chatot to manipulate the PIDRNG.

EDIT: Also that's a really annoying time. You'll have to set your DS Date to 8/03/2011 and set the clock to 12:09 then turn off/on and wait for almost an entire minute for 12:10:02. You're going to hit the A button to start up the game when the seconds hand hits 2 (yes 1 second before the time RNG reporter gives you).

Zenotwapal
4th August 2011, 9:01 PM
why do i need chatot
the date\time is this on my seed
8/03/11 and 12:10:03
dont i just set my ds clock to this time or no or what do i set it up

Chatots are for PIDRNG advancements.

And to be honest I can't understand the last part. Please type better so we can help you better. No insult intended.

Metagross-
4th August 2011, 9:12 PM
I have another question: Is it fine that there is another seed with the exact same time and key presses but with different IVs? ._.

I'm checking to see if those are the IVs I'm getting.

EDIT: Another question, sorry! So if I want a pokemon with the same IVs, butI caught a pokemon on that seed, could I set the time back and use it again?

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 9:15 PM
I have another question: Is it fine that there is another seed with the exact same time and key presses but with different IVs? ._.

I'm checking to see if those are the IVs I'm getting.

Yes. Your timer0 can fluxuate, and when that happens you will get completely different IVs. That's why you right click on the seed you were going for, and select "find adjacent frames" and compare the IVs with what you did get.

And yes, you can re-use seeds.

Tarro57
4th August 2011, 9:18 PM
Watch this video is you're breeding... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSonSZQFQK8

Metagross-
4th August 2011, 9:19 PM
Ok, so it was completely off, going to recalibrate and do it about 10 times to be absolutely sure. :)

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 9:19 PM
so i can get a shiny with a modest nature and the ability i want correct
all i have to do is click on the shiny only box and choose the desired nature and ability on the main rng reporter page and than i click calculate initial PIDRNG Frame and if will give me my PIDRNG number and that determines how many chatot flips i need am i right and than after ur done u use sweet scent and it should be the pokemon u desire unless u did something wrong

No. The time finder is for searching. The main window is used to find your starting frame and a target frame if you're not going a shiny. If you are going for a shiny you click "search for nearby shiny frames" in the time finder before searching. You need your ID/SID too. The nearby shiny frame is your target PID frame. You will still need to generate the list of PIDs in the main window to find your starting frame. Also note that the "calculated initial PID frame" not necessarily your actual starting PID frame. The actual starting PID frame could be higher in areas with NPCs. This is why you need your IV frame to be 1 so you can deal with NPCs (I'll explain how do that when you have a suitable seed).

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 9:20 PM
so i can get a shiny with a modest nature and the ability i want correct
all i have to do is click on the shiny only box and choose the desired nature and ability on the main rng reporter page and than i click calculate initial PIDRNG Frame and if will give me my PIDRNG number and that determines how many chatot flips i need am i right and than after ur done u use sweet scent and it should be the pokemon u desire unless u did something wrong

In theory, yes, that is correct. But before you want to try for shinies/natures/abilities, you need to practice hitting the seed and getting the IVs you searched for. The more precise your request becomes (adding a specific ability/nature and shiny or not), the harder it becomes to figure out what went wrong. Trust us, we've all been there before. Start slow, get the hang of hitting your seed first...then add in the bells and whistles later.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 9:26 PM
so what do i do do i click calculate initial PIDRNG frame in the main window and on ur edit u said i had to start one second early do i click A at the ds menu or the game menu when its one second before my targets frame
Not sure what the first part of your question is. When you put a seed in the main window and choose method 5 PIDRNG there's a button that says "calculate initial PID frame." Click it.
Yes I mean from the DS menu. Thought that was obvious since I was telling you to watch the seconds hand on the clock (where else would you be watching the clock?).

arceusvictini
4th August 2011, 9:27 PM
I feel ashamed... I lost the DS Mac adress button on the latest RNG Reporter. Could someone show me where it is?

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 9:28 PM
so do i just click calculate initial PIDRNG Frame on the main rng page

For IVs only, you don't need to worry about the main RNG reporter window, only the time finder window.

@Arceusvictini: From the main RNG reporter window, click on DS parameter search. You will enter your MAC address in a field on the box that comes up.

Tarro57
4th August 2011, 9:29 PM
I feel ashamed... I lost the DS Mac adress button on the latest RNG Reporter. Could someone show me where it is?

Turn on the C-Gear, Click Internet/ Wi-Fi button, click the Wrenches on the Bottom-Left, Click options, And the then button on the top, it will show you.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 9:30 PM
I feel ashamed... I lost the DS Mac adress button on the latest RNG Reporter. Could someone show me where it is?

Time finder, choose method 5 (standard seed), click on "5th gen DS parameters setup.


8/03/11 and 12:10:03 this is my targets time and date
so do i change my ds's date to 8/03/11 and change my date to what and at what time do i click A on the ds menu and at what time should i click A on the games menu do i click at 12:10:02 in the game or ds menu

You keep asking this question. Anything related to the date or time is done from the DS menu where you can actually see the time on the clock. Yes you need to click A to start up the game at 12:10:02 but you need to set the clock to 12:09:00 and wait for 12:10:02 because there's no way you're going to set the clock and turn the game off/on in 2 seconds.

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 9:31 PM
8/03/11 and 12:10:03 this is my targets time and date
so do i change my ds's date to 8/03/11 and change my date to what and at what time do i click A on the ds menu and at what time should i click A on the games menu do i click at 12:10:02 in the game or ds menu

Set your DS' date to 8/3/11, and the time to 12:09. Then you watch the clock from the DS main menu, and when it says 12:10:02 you push "A".

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 9:33 PM
do i click on roamer released because i havent caught the genie pokemon yet

Only if the roamer has been released.

arceusvictini
4th August 2011, 9:33 PM
Isn't Time Finder first in C-Gear seeds? I mean there!

Tarro57
4th August 2011, 9:35 PM
Hatched shiny Sewaddle! I only RNGed the shininess because I hatched for fizzay (I'm one of his RNGers for his trade shop). It is my first Gen V RNGed Shiny! Woot!

Metagross-
4th August 2011, 9:36 PM
Hatched shiny Sewaddle! I only RNGed the shininess because I hatched for fizzay (I'm one of his RNGers for his trade shop). It is my first Gen V RNGed Shiny! Woot!

Congrats.
I'm still trying to RNG my first pokemon. xD

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 9:37 PM
alright so i click on the button calculate initial pid frame on the rng menu yes or no im just going to try to hit my seed and i dont know if i will need it

You don't need to worry about that screen yet. Just hit "A" then the DS clock says 12:10:02, answer "no" to turning on the c-gear, and sweet scent once the game loads up.

Once the roamer is released, you cannot RNG it unless you start your game over. The IVs/Nature/Shiny have already been set once they're released.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 9:38 PM
Isn't Time Finder first in C-Gear seeds? I mean there!
Don't know what you're asking. Time finder can search any type of 4th gen/5th gen seed including c-gear seeds if that's what you want.

Hatched shiny Sewaddle! I only RNGed the shininess because I hatched for fizzay (I'm one of his RNGers for his trade shop). It is my first Gen V RNGed Shiny! Woot!
Congrats. :)

arceusvictini
4th August 2011, 9:38 PM
Congrats.
I'm still trying to RNG my first pokemon. xD

Sam here thogh I HAVE to use C-Gear b/c I'm a 3DS user.

Tarro57
4th August 2011, 9:41 PM
Congrats. :)


Congrats.
I'm still trying to RNG my first pokemon. xD

Thankyou both, now I need to RNG a shiny Female Frillish for fizzay. GL everybody!

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 9:41 PM
Im so confused jolteon said i had to click that button in order for me to calculate my PID

And he's telling you to ignore the PIDRNG and only go for a random Pokemon with good IVs. Personally I think that's pointless since you're probably going to toss that Pokemon later but it is a good practice exercise.

EDIT: Ok, I guess I shouldn't say it's "pointless." I just think it's not that hard to learn to manipulate both of the RNGs at the same time but darthmalice777 thinks you should take them one at a time starting with the IVRNG (for IVs only). Up to you.

Metagross-
4th August 2011, 9:43 PM
@Poke: For IVs, you don't need your PID at all. Don't confuse yourself, your making it harder than it really is. Just set the time and date, click a second before the time and don't turn on c-gear, tada!

EDIT: You can choose a value in the encounter tab that is the same as the pokemon you want.

@Arceusvictini: That sucks, I've never used anything but my DS lite.

arceusvictini
4th August 2011, 9:46 PM
I mean in the Smogon guide, it says something about inserting MAC adress. Here, a C+P:

C-Gear seeds:
Open up seed Time Finder in RNG Reporter, click the Capture tab and select Method 5 from the Method drop down.
In your game, look up the MAC address of your DS.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12206225/RNG/dmemaclocation.png
Copy down all 12 digits (leave out the dashes) and put them into the DS MAC Address box.
Specify the criteria for an IV spread(s) you want. It is suggested to have a max frame below 2500.
Generate the seed list. This will take quite some time, depending on how fast your computer is and how large of a range you specified.

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 9:48 PM
I mean in the Smogon guide, it says something about inserting MAC adress. Here, a C+P:

C-Gear seeds:
Open up seed Time Finder in RNG Reporter, click the Capture tab and select Method 5 from the Method drop down.
In your game, look up the MAC address of your DS.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12206225/RNG/dmemaclocation.png
Copy down all 12 digits (leave out the dashes) and put them into the DS MAC Address box.
Specify the criteria for an IV spread(s) you want. It is suggested to have a max frame below 2500.
Generate the seed list. This will take quite some time, depending on how fast your computer is and how large of a range you specified.

That's how you obtain your MAC address to enter it into your parameters.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 9:48 PM
so if i do it ur way i can pick the pokemon that will appear
Yes but you will be attempting to manipulate both of the RNGs at the same time which is more difficult that just attempting to manipulate 1. Basically do you want to take it one step at a time or do you want to master everything at once?


I mean in the Smogon guide, it says something about inserting MAC adress. Here, a C+P:

C-Gear seeds:
Open up seed Time Finder in RNG Reporter, click the Capture tab and select Method 5 from the Method drop down.
In your game, look up the MAC address of your DS.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12206225/RNG/dmemaclocation.png
Copy down all 12 digits (leave out the dashes) and put them into the DS MAC Address box.
Specify the criteria for an IV spread(s) you want. It is suggested to have a max frame below 2500.
Generate the seed list. This will take quite some time, depending on how fast your computer is and how large of a range you specified.
So find your MAC address. Choose Method 5 (C-gear) in the time finder and enter your MAC address under 5th gen DS parameters setup without the dashes.

Tarro57
4th August 2011, 10:08 PM
The min frame above the generate button changed to the PIDRNG Frame which you then take the frame from the Time Finder, subtract the number you just got from the number, that's your starting frame.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 10:09 PM
alright i tried it with out clicking the button and i got the exact same litwick twice but it was not the target i was looking for

You checked its IVs? They were correct? If yes, that's what darthmalice777 wanted you to do so you'd get a feel of how to hit the seed properly.

Now What's your "Calculated initial PID frame?"

Hit the seed again, enter the game, let the season's message fade by itself, Mash X to bring up the menu as soon as the season message fades. Sweet scent and catch the Pokemon you encounter. Then look near your calculated initial PID frame for a frame that matches your caught Pokemon (same nature, ability, encounter slot, gender etc). That's your starting PID frame.
Once you know your starting PID frame you redo it and view Chatot's summary the correct number of times to advance to your target PID frame then sweet scent. Viewing Chatot's summary advances the PID frame by 1 per view (must have a recording).


after i click the "calculate initial pid frame button" do i click generate because i clicked that button and nothing happened
I told you exactly what to do:
Right click your seed in the time finder and copy to clipboard. In the main window choose method 5 PIDRNG, paste your seed (Ctrl+V) where it says seed (hex), choose the encounter type, choose the sync nature (if applicable), click "Calculate Initial PID Frame" then click generate.

Exactly that.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 10:14 PM
oops so we cant click the season thing off and we have to hold the buttons until what

Hold what buttons? Did you have keypresses for your seed? If you have keypresses you hold them immediately after you press A to start up the game (1 second early) from the DS menu. So press A, let go of A, hold keypresses until the gamefreak logo comes on.

And no you shouldn't click the season thing off. The NPCs will start in different positions if you do that and you'll keep missing your target PID frame (or you might even find the wrong starting PID frame).

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 10:26 PM
i just tried it and it didnt work i think its the keypresses heres what i have to click

A-Select-L

so do i hold them until when and u said let go of A why

heres what i do after i click on the ds menu i hold the three buttons until the season word dissapears than i quickly press x and use sweet scent
See how your keypresses are A-Select-L? You can't just press A to start up the game and hold it. You need press A to start up the game, let go of it and then grab and hold all 3 buttons at the same time until the gamefreak logo comes on.


and no the ivs were not like my targets not even close
Then you didn't hit the seed. Your IV frame in the time finder is 1, right?
Try again and see if you can get the right IVs. If not right click your seed in the time finder and click generate adjacent seeds (current frame). See if you can find the wrong IVs you get.

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 10:26 PM
and no the ivs were not like my targets not even close

Then what you want to do is...in the time finder window, right-click on the seed you were trying to hit and select "find adjacent frames". See if the IVs for the pokemon you did get match any of the results of the adjacent seeds.

ninja'd again.

Tarro57
4th August 2011, 10:31 PM
I have a quick question, I looked at all the No NPCs areas, and I was wondering if all the Muskteers rooms were No NPCs rooms. Because it seems like they are.

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 10:31 PM
so once the gamefreak logo comes on do i let go of them

Yes, it's fine to let go at the trademark screen, or gamefreak logo. Whichever is more comfortable for you.

@Tarro: That is correct, none of them have NPCs that affect the PID frame (neither does Zek/Resh, Victini, Kyurem or Landorus either).

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 10:32 PM
so once the gamefreak logo comes on do i let go of them

Yes...and do the rest. Enter the game (C-gear turned off), Press X rapidly while season message is fading to bring up the menu, sweet scent.


I have a quick question, I looked at all the No NPCs areas, and I was wondering if all the Muskteers rooms were No NPCs rooms. Because it seems like they are.
Yes. They are alone in the rooms (except for wild Pokemon).

Poke16Freak
4th August 2011, 10:42 PM
I DID IT almost :) YES Thanks everybody for helping me
and can somebody tell me why the nature was wrong
i wanted a modest one but instead i got a quirky one
and heres the pokemon i got

Litwick 31ivs in HP, Att, Def,SP.att, spdef, and 29ivs in speed :)
it had the exact HP as my target one the only thing that was wrong was the nature :(
i wonder why

TDawg
4th August 2011, 10:43 PM
I DID IT almost :) YES Thanks everybody for helping me
and can somebody tell me why the nature was wrong
i wanted a modest one but instead i got a quirky one
and heres the pokemon i got

Litwick 31ivs in HP, Att, Def,SP.att, spdef, and 29ivs in speed :)
it had the exact HP as my target one the only thing that was wrong was the nature :(
i wonder why

It's because you didn't hit the PID frame for a modest litwick.

Tarro57
4th August 2011, 10:45 PM
Yes. They are alone in the rooms (except for wild Pokemon).

Cool! Thankyou, I'm going to try to PIDRNG them, along with IVRNG them.

P.S. Cool new avatar @Poke16Freak!

Nikator
4th August 2011, 10:47 PM
did you RNG or PIDRNG? If you RNG you have no control over nature. For a Litwick the best method is to standard non-c gear RNG and use a synchroniser for the nature. I have a modest synchroniser if you need.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 10:54 PM
I DID IT almost :) YES Thanks everybody for helping me
and can somebody tell me why the nature was wrong
i wanted a modest one but instead i got a quirky one
and heres the pokemon i got

Litwick 31ivs in HP, Att, Def,SP.att, spdef, and 29ivs in speed :)
it had the exact HP as my target one the only thing that was wrong was the nature :(
i wonder why
Sweet. You've mastered one RNG now (The IVRNG). Now for the more difficult one (PIDRNG). The PIDRNG is the one that determines your nature and everything else. So take note of that litwicks nature, ability, gender etc. Then look at the list of PID frames. Start from your Calculated initial PID frame and work your way up the frames until you find a PID frame that matches that litwick. It must be the same everything (nature, ability, gender, encounter slot). Click 5th gen tools and click on the encounter tables for a list of encounter slots (Not sure if they'll be helpful in this case). When you find the matching frame that's your starting PID frame. So redo it again (dont save) and next time view Chatot's summary the correct number of times to get to your target PID frame.

Btw, the gender ratios in RNG reporter are for the females. If you look at serebii (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/607.shtml) you'll see that litwick is 50%F so the litwicks gender is under the 50%F column.

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 10:57 PM
Cool! Thankyou, I'm going to try to PIDRNG them, along with IVRNG them.

P.S. Cool new avatar @Poke16Freak!

Just search for an IV frame of 1, input the IV spread you're looking for, and find a seed that lets you synch (and shiny if you want them shiny). Much easier to synch them than find a seed with flawless IVs/specific HP IVs, right nature and shiny. At least in my experience it was easier this way, and I still had to search all the way through Jan 2019 to get my seeds, lol.

jolteon135
4th August 2011, 10:58 PM
^Yeah, synchronizers help a lot. Also don't choose nature if you're using a synchronizer. Only choose sync nature.

Poke16Freak
4th August 2011, 10:59 PM
Sweet. You've mastered one RNG now (The IVRNG). Now for the more difficult one (PIDRNG). The PIDRNG is the one that determines your nature and everything else. So take note of that litwicks nature, ability, gender etc. Then look at the list of PID frames. Start from your Calculated initial PID frame and work your way up the frames until you find a PID frame that matches that litwick. It must be the same everything (nature, ability, gender, encounter slot). Click 5th gen tools and click on the encounter tables for a list of encounter slots (Not sure if they'll be helpful in this case). When you find the matching frame that's your starting PID frame. So redo it again (dont save) and next time view Chatot's summary the correct number of times to get to your target PID frame.

Btw, the gender ratios in RNG reporter are for the females. If you look at serebii (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/607.shtml) you'll see that litwick is 50%F so the litwicks gender is under the 50%F column.

oops i saved it but thats ok i wanted to rest since i was here the whole day
so to do the other one i had to find a quirky litwick and with the same thing and i would do what im going to come here tommorrow or maybe later to try and master this process because i want shinies

Zenotwapal
4th August 2011, 11:03 PM
This thread is being posted in like wild fire.
@poke16freak
RNGing isn't going to come easily. You have to put more effort into it, and its better done a DIY with some asking involved.

This thread is like a Home Depot. Get all the tools you need, ask about how to do it, then go home and do it yourself.

kaiser soze
4th August 2011, 11:06 PM
this thread is like a Home Depot. Get all the tools you need, ask about how to do it, then go home and do it yourself.

This should be in the first post haha

Tarro57
4th August 2011, 11:07 PM
thanks :))))))

Yourwelcome!!! ^o^


This should be in the first post haha

You should PM/VM STUD to post it there then! Woot!

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 11:13 PM
this thread is like a Home Depot. Get all the tools you need, ask about how to do it, then go home and do it yourself.

What a fantastic analogy.

DerpFloon0089
4th August 2011, 11:27 PM
Hey guys, is there another way to get the same effect as Soft Resetting?
Cause when I start my ZomgTimer for first stage , I realized that my DS lite shoulder buttons don't work.
Also I'm doing C-gear seed method and My first time RNGing:).

Zenotwapal
4th August 2011, 11:29 PM
alright ill delete all my posts
You don't have to delete posts, I'm just saying for future reference.

Wow look at this timer0 go. Fluctuating back and forth like a boss.

Tarro57
4th August 2011, 11:29 PM
Do Non-C Gear First! It is easier and doesn't require the L+R Buttons! Do NON-C GEAR!!!!

Anyways, just hatched a shiny Frillish for fizzay. It is female! Woot!

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 11:31 PM
Hey guys, is there another way to get the same effect as Soft Resetting?
Cause when I start my ZomgTimer for first stage , I realized that my DS lite shoulder buttons don't work.
Also I'm doing C-gear seed method and My first time RNGing:).

If you have a DS lite, why don't you try standard seed instead of C-Gear? No delays, and you can control Nature/Ability/Shininess. You can also limit your keypresses to exclude the L+R (shoulder) buttons in the parameters.

Metagross-
4th August 2011, 11:33 PM
Congrats Tarro.

I come back from swmming for lke 45 minutes, another page.. This thread is


EPIC.

Edit: 4 Year old cousinis playing SSBM and everytime he attacs with pikachu he goes peekaahchewwww

othinlol
4th August 2011, 11:35 PM
so anyone have any idea on the progress of fixing rng'ing so that it's fair. the limit to ds/ds lite makes this seem like cheating.

Zenotwapal
4th August 2011, 11:40 PM
so anyone have any idea on the progress of fixing rng'ing so that it's fair. the limit to ds/ds lite makes this seem like cheating.
Get a DS lite they aren't that expensive.
there is C-Gear RNGing if you do own a 3DS or a DSi. C-Gear is just a little harder and requires more effort to pull off.

DerpFloon0089
4th August 2011, 11:40 PM
Thanks but once I start something, I like to finish it but I'll try standard seed once I succeed at this one.
But I'm guessing I'm out of luck since Soft Reset is broken for me?

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 11:43 PM
so anyone have any idea on the progress of fixing rng'ing so that it's fair. the limit to ds/ds lite makes this seem like cheating.

This is because the device needed to "break the code" (so-to-speak) for DSi/3DS costs a few thousand dollars, and the people who developed RNG reporter don't see the point in spending that kind of money. Sorry to break the news to you, but I doubt it's going to happen soon, if ever.

Tarro57
4th August 2011, 11:43 PM
Thanks Metagross-! It wasn't the one on the frame I wanted so I did to less Chatots since I hit 75 when I wanted 73.

Nikator
4th August 2011, 11:45 PM
Guess its time to try my first PIDRNG. Was going to aim for either a Shiny Volcorana/Axew but I guess i'm going to have to recapture a Litwick =(. I thought Basculin only gave 1speed EV not 2. Therefore I have 255, not 252 Speed on It. =(

Zenotwapal
4th August 2011, 11:46 PM
This is because the device needed to "break the code" (so-to-speak) for DSi/3DS costs a few thousand dollars, and the people who developed RNG reporter don't see the point in spending that kind of money. Sorry to break the news to you, but I doubt it's going to happen soon, if ever.
We could all chip in to do it.

Technically.
smogon could perform a fundraiser to decode the 3DS. that would be spectacular.

darthmalice777
4th August 2011, 11:48 PM
Guess its time to try my first PIDRNG. Was going to aim for either a Shiny Volcorana/Axew but I guess i'm going to have to recapture a Litwick =(. I thought Basculin only gave 1speed EV not 2. Therefore I have 255, not 252 Speed on It. =(

I can get you a speed EV reducing berry...use the FC in my sig. When can you trade?

jolteon135
5th August 2011, 12:10 AM
Thanks but once I start something, I like to finish it but I'll try standard seed once I succeed at this one.
But I'm guessing I'm out of luck since Soft Reset is broken for me?
No. Instead of starting up the game before the first timer ends just wait at the DS menu for the first timer to end then press A to start up the game as soon as the first timer ends. Get to the "Continue" screen, click on continue, say no when it ask if you want to launch c-gear communications then yes to the warning message. Click on the c-gear button so the yes/no option comes up. When the second timer ends click yes. After this do any frame advancements (if necessary) and sweet scent or interact with your target.

If your targets IVs are wrong check them and search for them in seed to times. I assume you can figure out the search/seed to times from the videos but if you can't let me know.

EDIT: I'm not really sure why you're determined to learn the c-gear method. It's only useful for male only entralink (DW) Pokemon. Standard (non c-gear) outclasses it in everything else.
EDIT2: Also if you're using an older guide, c-gear seeds now start on frame 1 meaning you can now hit spreads on frame 1 and 2 and for IV advancement frame 1 is your starting frame. That's where you're advancing from.

DerpFloon0089
5th August 2011, 1:00 AM
No. Instead of starting up the game before the first timer ends just wait at the DS menu for the first timer to end then press A to start up the game as soon as the first timer ends. Get to the "Continue" screen, click on continue, say no when it ask if you want to launch c-gear communications then yes to the warning message. Click on the c-gear button so the yes/no option comes up. When the second timer ends click yes. After this do any frame advancements (if necessary) and sweet scent or interact with your target.

If your targets IVs are wrong check them and search for them in seed to times. I assume you can figure out the search/seed to times from the videos but if you can't let me know.

EDIT: I'm not really sure why you're determined to learn the c-gear method. It's only useful for male only entralink (DW) Pokemon. Standard (non c-gear) outclasses it in everything else.
EDIT2: Also if you're using an older guide, c-gear seeds now start on frame 1 meaning you can now hit spreads on frame 1 and 2 and for IV advancement frame 1 is your starting frame. That's where you're advancing from.

nah its not determination, its just stubbornness, just don't like things unfinished.I also like to learn the primitive stuff and an understanding of why its obsolete. Anyway, thanks for the help. I'm going to let the information soak in and try again later.

NoDice
5th August 2011, 1:02 AM
Ok guys I updated the main post with a slightly better formatting to avoid the "text brick syndrome" it had, added Jolteons magnificent FAQ, and added in encounter tables under advanced knowledge for quick reference without opening reporter. Any helpful ideas or formatting suggestions are very welcome. Just leave me a VM with whatever you think needs to be changed. Thanks everyone!


EDIT: Please keep in mind Im trying to avoid spoiler tags but if you think it will help Ill try to remember how to use them efficiently lol... havent used them in years.

cannibaleyes
5th August 2011, 3:00 AM
This is because the device needed to "break the code" (so-to-speak) for DSi/3DS costs a few thousand dollars, and the people who developed RNG reporter don't see the point in spending that kind of money. Sorry to break the news to you, but I doubt it's going to happen soon, if ever.
That's disappointing. ._.
..I'm really glad I have a DS Lite. ^__^

Nice job on this thread, guys. It's nice to finally have all the info all nice and collected in the first few posts for quick reference. :)
Dang, this thread has gotten big in a very short amount of time. o.0

As for me, I've just been doing 4th gen. RNG requests lately... Is this still just a 5th gen. thread, or can I talk baout 4th gen. stuff?

Metagross-
5th August 2011, 3:10 AM
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Ok, so whe I'm trying to recalibrate, I get exact IVs, but RNG Reporter doesn't come up with anything. Any help appreciated.
EDIT:This is in B/W So probaly mostly 5th gen..

Ballistic Buizel
5th August 2011, 3:54 AM
*GROAN* I just spent an hour trying to RNG a shiny adamant Rufflet. And it didn't show. Walked 640 steps with 5 pokemon in my party to advance my IV frame to 26 (because you start out at 1, right?) And then I did 297 chatot views. I counted when I first opened the summary screen as one, or is it only when you flip them? Do I need to start a second earlier? My time that I have to start at is 3:27:10, so I always set my clock to 3:26 and then wait a minute and ten seconds before I start the game with my keypress (A+L+X). What do I do? It actually is pretty easy to do, but I think I may have screwed up a step.

jolteon135
5th August 2011, 3:57 AM
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Ok, so whe I'm trying to recalibrate, I get exact IVs, but RNG Reporter doesn't come up with anything. Any help appreciated.
EDIT:This is in B/W So probaly mostly 5th gen..

Don't know how you're finding exact IVs but you don't need them. Victory road Pokemon is good enough. Just use the Pokedex-IV checker. It will say something like HP:12-14 which means for min HP should be 12 and max HP should be 14 in the parameter finder.

Too Funk to Druck
5th August 2011, 3:59 AM
*GROAN* I just spent an hour trying to RNG a shiny adamant Rufflet. And it didn't show. Walked 640 steps with 5 pokemon in my party to advance my IV frame to 26 (because you start out at 1, right?) And then I did 297 chatot views. I counted when I first opened the summary screen as one, or is it only when you flip them? Do I need to start a second earlier? My time that I have to start at is 3:27:10, so I always set my clock to 3:26 and then wait a minute and ten seconds before I start the game with my keypress (A+L+X). What do I do? It actually is pretty easy to do, but I think I may have screwed up a step.

yeah, you have to start one second earlier because the game takes a second to load. And, opening the summary screen counts as one advance.

DragonKnighted
5th August 2011, 4:00 AM
So....first post in new thread, asking another question. I think I have it down, but I'm running into a problem. I have a IV frame of one a starting PID frame of 49, and i need to get my PID to 53 for the flawless encounter slot I want. (3)

so i load up my game do the button presses, load game, mash X, open up my menu, see my chatots menu 4 times, and sweet scent. I didnt get the mon im looking for, and its not flawless either. help?

Ballistic Buizel
5th August 2011, 4:00 AM
yeah, you have to start one second earlier because the game takes a second to load. And, opening the summary screen counts as one advance.

Phew. Okay. Good to know. Now Ima get me mah Rufflet! :D Thanks so much! :)

jolteon135
5th August 2011, 4:05 AM
*GROAN* I just spent an hour trying to RNG a shiny adamant Rufflet. And it didn't show. Walked 640 steps with 5 pokemon in my party to advance my IV frame to 26 (because you start out at 1, right?) And then I did 297 chatot views. I counted when I first opened the summary screen as one, or is it only when you flip them? Do I need to start a second earlier? My time that I have to start at is 3:27:10, so I always set my clock to 3:26 and then wait a minute and ten seconds before I start the game with my keypress (A+L+X). What do I do? It actually is pretty easy to do, but I think I may have screwed up a step.
You are not going to get shiny via walking especially not via walking 640 step. Sorry to crush your hopes but you really should stick to frame 1 for Ivs if you're going for shinies. In fact you should stick to frame 1 most (if not all) of the time.
Controlling the PIDRNG is much more difficult for higher IV frames.

If for some reason you want to torture yourself, the approximation for walking is Current Frame=Initial Frame + 2.1*Steps + 2 * Turns

That is with no Pokemon in the daycare and in an area with no NPCs.

Too Funk to Druck
5th August 2011, 4:06 AM
So....first post in new thread, asking another question. I think I have it down, but I'm running into a problem. I have a IV frame of one a starting PID frame of 49, and i need to get my PID to 53 for the flawless encounter slot I want. (3)

so i load up my game do the button presses, load game, mash X, open up my menu, see my chatots menu 4 times, and sweet scent. I didnt get the mon im looking for, and its not flawless either. help?

Does your Pokemon have the IVs you want? Are you in an area with no NPCs? If the first one is yes, then you're hitting your seed, but not hitting the right PID frame. If the second is yes, then you're going to need a higher PID frame.

Metagross-
5th August 2011, 4:09 AM
Don't know how you're finding exact IVs but you don't need them. Victory road Pokemon is good enough. Just use the Pokedex-IV checker. It will say something like HP:12-14 which means for min HP should be 12 and max HP should be 14 in the parameter finder.

I used rare candies and MetaKids IV checker, I tried with the Min/Max, still no results. Any ideas?

DragonKnighted
5th August 2011, 4:10 AM
not hitting the seed either. i'll tell u what i do when i start the game. my time is 20:56:23
so i start the game at 22 seconds, wait till the pokemon company comes up, do my key presses, Y+Right then press A when the star comes up, and then start up the game no c-gear go into my menu, do the chatot advances. what am i doing wrong?

DragonKnighted
5th August 2011, 4:11 AM
and metagross use pokecheck.org, it gives you the exact IVs.

Too Funk to Druck
5th August 2011, 4:12 AM
not hitting the seed either. i'll tell u what i do when i start the game. my time is 20:56:23
so i start the game at 22 seconds, wait till the pokemon company comes up, do my key presses, Y+Right then press A when the star comes up, and then start up the game no c-gear go into my menu, do the chatot advances. what am i doing wrong?

You do your keypresses when the Pokemon Company thing comes up? Because that would be the problem. As soon as you press A to load the game, you need to do your keypresses, and then hold them til the star comes up.

jolteon135
5th August 2011, 4:13 AM
I used rare candies and MetaKids IV checker, I tried with the Min/Max, still no results. Any ideas?

Check your MAC address again (from the WFC settings). Make sure you got it correct.
Are you sweet scenting high level Pokemon? Victory road is a good place to catch fairly high level Pokemon.
Make sure the date/time you enter into RNG reporter is the same date/time you started up the game at from the DS menu (clock screen). Watch the seconds hand on the DS clock to get the correct second.
Make sure you say no when the game asks you if you want to turn on the c-gear.
Use the pokedex-IV checker in RNG reporter to check the IVs of your sweet scented Pokemon.

Remember no DSi/3DS/flashcard/emulators. That's all the standard stuff.

cannibaleyes
5th August 2011, 4:15 AM
You are not going to get shiny via walking especially not via walking 640 step. Sorry to crush your hopes but you really should stick to frame 1 for Ivs if you're going for shinies. In fact you should stick to frame 1 most (if not all) of the time.
Controlling the PIDRNG is much more difficult for higher IV frames.

If for some reason you want to torture yourself, the approximation for walking is Current Frame=Initial Frame + 2.1*Steps + 2 * Turns

That is with no Pokemon in the daycare and in an area with no NPCs.
I explained this a page or so ago.. Guess she didn't see it. =/
^But yeah, this.

EDIT: My bad, it was in the Club thread, not this one. Still. xD
http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=13135002&postcount=86

Ballistic Buizel
5th August 2011, 4:21 AM
It didn't work. Again. I don't know why. Non-shiny, impish rufflet. Ug.

Too Funk to Druck
5th August 2011, 4:23 AM
It didn't work. Again. I don't know why. Non-shiny, impish rufflet. Ug.

Seriously. Use a frame 1 seed. You definitely seem to know what you're doing, but you're making it insanely difficult on yourself by trying to go for crazy things on your first try.

cannibaleyes
5th August 2011, 4:24 AM
It didn't work. Again. I don't know why. Non-shiny, impish rufflet. Ug.
^Look up, Jolteon did a good job of explaining it. It's never going to work. You're way better off looking for something with an IV frame of 1.

Metagross-
5th August 2011, 4:50 AM
Check your MAC address again (from the WFC settings). Make sure you got it correct.
Are you sweet scenting high level Pokemon? Victory road is a good place to catch fairly high level Pokemon.
Make sure the date/time you enter into RNG reporter is the same date/time you started up the game at from the DS menu (clock screen). Watch the seconds hand on the DS clock to get the correct second.
Make sure you say no when the game asks you if you want to turn on the c-gear.
Use the pokedex-IV checker in RNG reporter to check the IVs of your sweet scented Pokemon.

Remember no DSi/3DS/flashcard/emulators. That's all the standard stuff.

1. Yes
2. Giant Chasm(or whatever the first part is)
3. Exactly the same. Didn't do the 1 second before.
4. Never on, wastes battery.
5. Going to try.
6. I bought the game. (Kind of, had my brother buy it and then kind of "took" it, aka he stopped playing.)


EDIT: After another try, still no luck, no results, whatsoever.

longchu
5th August 2011, 4:58 AM
Hi peoples. Just joined today.

I have a pretty good grasp on the basics of non-c gear RNG. However, I'm trying to find out a way of how to RNG for the "trade Petilil for Cottonee" event in Nacrene City. Specifically a 31/x/31/x/31/31 spread plus shininess (the nature can't be changed since it's set to Modest, derp)

Would the Cottonee be classified as a Gift Pokemon?

Too Funk to Druck
5th August 2011, 4:59 AM
Hi peoples. Just joined today.

I have a pretty good grasp on the basics of non-c gear RNG. However, I'm trying to find out a way of how to RNG for the "trade Petilil for Cottonee" event in Nacrene City. Specifically a 31/x/31/x/31/31 spread plus shininess (the nature can't be changed since it's set to Modest, derp)

Would the Cottonee be classified as a Gift Pokemon?

Everything about the trade Cottonee is determined, including it's IV spread and its shininess. So, you can't RNG it at all.

Metagross-
5th August 2011, 5:01 AM
Hi peoples. Just joined today.

I have a pretty good grasp on the basics of non-c gear RNG. However, I'm trying to find out a way of how to RNG for the "trade Petilil for Cottonee" event in Nacrene City. Specifically a 31/x/31/x/31/31 spread plus shininess (the nature can't be changed since it's set to Modest, derp)

Would the Cottonee be classified as a Gift Pokemon?

What I read was that the get 31 in one specific IV and 20 in all others, not sure though.

Could someone please [Fancy text]Enlighten[/Fancy text] me

Ememew
5th August 2011, 5:11 AM
What I read was that the get 31 in one specific IV and 20 in all others, not sure though.

Could someone please [Fancy text]Enlighten[/Fancy text] me

Yep. Which stats are which are listed here (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/In_game_trade#Generation_V).

longchu
5th August 2011, 6:01 AM
Yep. Which stats are which are listed here (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/In_game_trade#Generation_V).

That was helpful. Well, I guess it's time to breed a perfect Cottnee. -.-

Kailassa
5th August 2011, 10:17 AM
How difficult is it to RNG your SID?

I'm still new to RNGing, I've caught a few shinies to my specifications, though I still fail more often than not, and I haven't succeeded at perfect shiny eggs yet. Breeding is my main aim in RNGing, and I've now got a separate game and DS Lite to devote to it.

So does anyone have advice to offer on RNGing my SID, and are there any guides you guys know of about it?

Shizuka
5th August 2011, 11:29 AM
How difficult is it to RNG your SID?

I'm still new to RNGing, I've caught a few shinies to my specifications, though I still fail more often than not, and I haven't succeeded at perfect shiny eggs yet. Breeding is my main aim in RNGing, and I've now got a separate game and DS Lite to devote to it.

So does anyone have advice to offer on RNGing my SID, and are there any guides you guys know of about it?

It isn't very difficult to do ID/SID abuse in BW. xD
I'll link you to a guide that was helpful to me when I was learning more about it:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12206225/RNG/g5%20rngguide%20v01.pdf

Part 3 addresses ID/SID abuse. :p

Nikator
5th August 2011, 12:47 PM
Ok, So I thought i'd try standard RNG abuse one more time before moving on to PIDRNG. But this time i'm having a problem, but I can't be far off.

I am after a Golett: Adamant (synched), with 31/31/31/xx/31/31
But I'm getting:---- Adamant (synched), with 31/31/18/31/31/13

Does anyone know why this could be happening, i've tried it several times.. Hitting one second early as is correct. And Frame is 10 so walking 256steps with 5 pkmn in party.

EDIT: also it always seems to have Klutz, I want Iron Fist.. Or is this pre-determined?

Ballistic Buizel
5th August 2011, 1:09 PM
Seriously. Use a frame 1 seed. You definitely seem to know what you're doing, but you're making it insanely difficult on yourself by trying to go for crazy things on your first try.


^Look up, Jolteon did a good job of explaining it. It's never going to work. You're way better off looking for something with an IV frame of 1.

Okay. Do I just let my computer go into sleep mode and calculate seeds all day? Will PPRNG work while the computer is asleep?

Zenotwapal
5th August 2011, 1:58 PM
Ok, So I thought i'd try standard RNG abuse one more time before moving on to PIDRNG. But this time i'm having a problem, but I can't be far off.

I am after a Golett: Adamant (synched), with 31/31/31/xx/31/31
But I'm getting:---- Adamant (synched), with 31/31/18/31/31/13

Does anyone know why this could be happening, i've tried it several times.. Hitting one second early as is correct. And Frame is 10 so walking 256steps with 5 pkmn in party.

EDIT: also it always seems to have Klutz, I want Iron Fist.. Or is this pre-determined?

Your PIDRNG frame is off. That should explain the ability.

You mist not be hitting your seed. Right Click on the seed in the Time Finder and select Show Adjacent Seeds (something to that nature) This will give you the seed you keep hitting instead of the one you want. It maybe due to a time problem or a Timer0 problem, but this will help you figure that out.


Okay. Do I just let my computer go into sleep mode and calculate seeds all day? Will PPRNG work while the computer is asleep?
Don't let it go to sleep mode; with my computer it quit searching for sees. As soon as I woke it up it returned to finding seeds.

Nikator
5th August 2011, 3:33 PM
Started from scratch again and got this, pretty happy. Thats 2 of my in game Ghost team ready! And now I can move on to PIDRNG'ing. Going to aim for a shiny flawless Volcorana first, then breed a Shiny Flawless Cofragigus.

:622:
Golett - #622 (Adamant)
Iron Fist
HP: 31
Att: 31
Def: 31
SpA: 20
SpD: 31
Speed: 31
HP: Electric
HP Power: 59 (Well i'm never going to use it on a physical attacker, am i!)

Metagross-
5th August 2011, 3:42 PM
1. Yes
2. Giant Chasm(or whatever the first part is)
3. Exactly the same. Didn't do the 1 second before.
4. Never on, wastes battery.
5. Going to try.
6. I bought the game. (Kind of, had my brother buy it and then kind of "took" it, aka he stopped playing.)


EDIT: After another try, still no luck, no results, whatsoever.


Still in need of help.

darthmalice777
5th August 2011, 4:57 PM
Still in need of help.

Did you right-click on the seed you were aiming for and select "find adjacent seeds (current frame)"? That will let you comare what you did find with other possible seeds/timer0 with the same start time & keypresses.

Metagross-
5th August 2011, 5:02 PM
I'm trying to recalibrate, but no pokemon will bring up any results.

darthmalice777
5th August 2011, 5:06 PM
I'm trying to recalibrate, but no pokemon will bring up any results.

Make sure that when you're calibrating, you do NOT start the game a second earlier than you told the parameter search you were going to start it at....start it at the exact second that you input.

Metagross-
5th August 2011, 5:07 PM
I made sure, gonna give it another try in a few minutes, on like a 20 streak on Super Doubles Battle Subway, first try. :D


WOOOOOOOOOOOW, I WAS OFF A MONTH. For some reason I thought that August was the 7th month. Wow, so I'm gonna try to RNG with the right date.

EDIT:
What I tried to hit:
http://i52.*******.com/22x4xs.png
What I did:
(Coming soon, uploading to youtube right now.)Sorry abot backgroud noise, brothers on my old gamcube, and parents are working.
What I hit:
http://i52.*******.com/22x4xs.png

cannibaleyes
5th August 2011, 6:34 PM
Ok, So I thought i'd try standard RNG abuse one more time before moving on to PIDRNG. But this time i'm having a problem, but I can't be far off.

I am after a Golett: Adamant (synched), with 31/31/31/xx/31/31
But I'm getting:---- Adamant (synched), with 31/31/18/31/31/13

Does anyone know why this could be happening, i've tried it several times.. Hitting one second early as is correct. And Frame is 10 so walking 256steps with 5 pkmn in party.

EDIT: also it always seems to have Klutz, I want Iron Fist.. Or is this pre-determined?
You start on Frame 1, so walking 256 steps with 5 pokemon in your party would actually put you on Frame 11, not Frame 10 (1+5+5=11). Check your IVs for Frame 11 -- I bet they are 31/31/18/xx/31/13.

If you want to hit Frame 10, you'd have to walk 384 steps with 3 pokemon in your party instead.

Hope that helps. :)

darthmalice777
5th August 2011, 7:21 PM
Just hatched this little guy...


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/mrmalice/shiny.pnghttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/mrmalice/Pichu.gifhttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/mrmalice/Pikachu.gif
Pichu | OT: Malice
Naive | Hatched: 8/5/11 | Route 3
Ability: Lightningrod | HP: Fire 70
Thundershock | Charm | Volt Tackle
31/30/31/30/31/30

nassirdada
5th August 2011, 7:24 PM
After 6 hours trying to understand how to RNG , i finally succeeded at my first try with the help of Smogon's guides and bearsfan092drums' videos on youtube . And this is hwat i got :

Venipede - #543 (Mild)
Male (♂)
HP: 30
Att: 31
Def: 30
SpA: 5
SpD: 31
Speed: 31

I plan on learning how to PIDRNG for shininess - well , hopefully- .

Metagross-
5th August 2011, 7:36 PM
I made sure, gonna give it another try in a few minutes, on like a 20 streak on Super Doubles Battle Subway, first try. :D


WOOOOOOOOOOOW, I WAS OFF A MONTH. For some reason I thought that August was the 7th month. Wow, so I'm gonna try to RNG with the right date.

EDIT:
What I tried to hit:
http://i52.*******.com/22x4xs.png
What I did:
(Coming soon, uploading to youtube right now.)Sorry abot backgroud noise, brothers on my old gamcube, and parents are working.
What I hit:
http://i52.*******.com/22x4xs.png

Still need help, why are there two seeds at the ame time? '._.

And Darth, thats Awesome.

And last but not least, congrats Nassirdada(Wtf is this?..)

Too Funk to Druck
5th August 2011, 7:41 PM
Still need help, why are there two seeds at the ame time? '._.

And Darth, thats Awesome.

And last but not least, congrats Nassirdada(Wtf is this?..)

Those look like exactly the same seeds with the same exact results. Are you sure you made a mistake?

Metagross-
5th August 2011, 7:50 PM
Sorry, posted same picture twice.
What I wanted
http://i52.*******.com/22x4xs.jpg
What I hit
http://i52.*******.com/30sx1mp.png

darthmalice777
5th August 2011, 7:58 PM
Sorry, posted same picture twice.
What I wanted
http://i52.*******.com/22x4xs.jpg
What I hit
http://i52.*******.com/30sx1mp.png

That's your timer0 fluxuating, there's nothing you can do about it except try again, or (and I don't recommend this) try a different seed. Just try again, it happens from time to time.

Too Funk to Druck
5th August 2011, 8:02 PM
My RNG for today:

http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/270.gif http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/271.gif http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/272.gif
Lotad | OT:Ayumi~<3
Modest | Hatched: 7/1/11 | Wellspring Cave
Ability: Swift Swim | HP: Dragon 68
Astonish|
31/x/31/31/31/31

I need to not try so hard. Because when I tried to hit one seed yesterday, I couldn't hit at all, but I tried a different seed today, I hit it without even trying. That's pretty much all I have to say about this one.

Metagross-
5th August 2011, 8:09 PM
That's your timer0 fluxuating, there's nothing you can do about it except try again, or (and I don't recommend this) try a different seed. Just try again, it happens from time to time.

Ahh, forgot about that.

And I've always loved shiny lotad/lombre/ludicolo. Congrats.

jolteon135
5th August 2011, 8:10 PM
Ahh, forgot about that.

And I've always loved shiny lotad/lombre/ludicolo. Congrats.

You should use the timer0 value you hit most often. If you find that you keep hitting the other value, use it. If it's just a 1 or 2 time thing simply try again.

darthmalice777
5th August 2011, 8:14 PM
My RNG for today:

http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/270.gif http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/271.gif http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/272.gif
Lotad | OT:Ayumi~<3
Modest | Hatched: 7/1/11 | Wellspring Cave
Ability: Swift Swim | HP: Dragon 68
Astonish|
31/x/31/31/31/31

I need to not try so hard. Because when I tried to hit one seed yesterday, I couldn't hit at all, but I tried a different seed today, I hit it without even trying. That's pretty much all I have to say about this one.

That happens to me sometimes too. Very nicely done, btw.

Metagross-
5th August 2011, 8:46 PM
Just caught my first RNG'd pokemon. :D

Lillipup
Adamant
31/31/31/30/31/31

Thanks for all the help guys. :)

Nikator
5th August 2011, 8:48 PM
After 6 hours trying to understand how to RNG , i finally succeeded at my first try with the help of Smogon's guides and bearsfan092drums' videos on youtube . And this is hwat i got :

Venipede - #543 (Mild)
Male (♂)
HP: 30
Att: 31
Def: 30
SpA: 5
SpD: 31
Speed: 31

I plan on learning how to PIDRNG for shininess - well , hopefully- .

Congratulations, worth it in the end =)

darthmalice777
5th August 2011, 8:50 PM
Just caught my first RNG'd pokemon. :D

Lillipup
Adamant
31/31/31/30/31/31

Thanks for all the help guys. :)

Nicely done. Congrats on the success...keep it up, you'll be answering other's questions and breeding/capturing whatever you want in no time.

Too Funk to Druck
5th August 2011, 8:54 PM
Just caught my first RNG'd pokemon. :D

Lillipup
Adamant
31/31/31/30/31/31

Thanks for all the help guys. :)

Good job! It just gets easier once you know how to do it.

Metagross-
5th August 2011, 9:44 PM
Alot easier, I've gotten about 3 or 4 others but I only kept 1.

Boldore
31/31/31/30/31/31
Adamant

I think I have a set for ths guy.

I'm also gonna try to PIVRNG a little bit. And to find PIV frame do I copy full seed or just the seed?

Tarro57
5th August 2011, 9:44 PM
I RNGed my shiny Cobalion last night! Took 4 tries to get it but it's AWESOME. 31/31/x/x/x/31!

Too Funk to Druck
5th August 2011, 9:48 PM
Alot easier, I've gotten about 3 or 4 others but I only kept 1.

Boldore
31/31/31/30/31/31
Adamant

I think I have a set for ths guy.

I'm also gonna try to PIVRNG a little bit. And to find PIV frame do I copy full seed or just the seed?

You'll need the full seed to calculated the initial PID frame. And then then you'll need to find your shifting starting frame if you're in an area with NPCs, but it's pretty easy once you can hit seeds.

Metagross-
5th August 2011, 9:59 PM
Wait, for roamer releases, does it matter if I check it or not if it isn't a roamer?

EDIT:What do I do now?
[Img]http://*******.com/r/vfwqis/7[Img]

cannibaleyes
5th August 2011, 10:10 PM
Wait, for roamer releases, does it matter if I check it or not if it isn't a roamer?

EDIT:What do I do now?
[Img]http://*******.com/r/vfwqis/7[Img]
I think the "Roamer Released" might be referring to whether or not you've released Tornadus/Thundarus. So if you've released him, then yes, check it. Not sure, though, as I don't use RNG Reporter...

Too Funk to Druck
5th August 2011, 10:11 PM
Wait, for roamer releases, does it matter if I check it or not if it isn't a roamer?

EDIT:What do I do now?
[Img]http://*******.com/r/vfwqis/7[Img]

If your roamer is released, you should check that box. And what you should do next depends on whether you're in a NPCless route or not. If there are no NPCs, just go ahead and start advancing your PID frame. If there are NPCs, you'll need to figure out what your SSF is.

Metagross-
5th August 2011, 10:15 PM
I'm on a no NPC route, and if my starting PID frame is 56, how do I know what PID frame I need to get?

EDIT: So even if I caught Thundurus/Tornadus I keep it checked?

Too Funk to Druck
5th August 2011, 10:22 PM
I'm on a no NPC route, and if my starting PIV frame is 56, how do I know what PIV frame I need to get?

Is this just for a flawless Pokemon, or for a shiny Pokemon? If it's just for a flawless Pokemon, just click generate on the main page, and find a frame you like that fits what you're looking for. If you're looking for a shiny, you should have found the frame you need to hit in Time Finder when you found the seed.

Metagross-
5th August 2011, 10:25 PM
I know I need to hit Frame 1(Don't advance) but for my PID Frame, how do I tell what I need to advance it too, I am trying for a shiny.

Tarro57
5th August 2011, 10:28 PM
I know I need to hit Frame 1(Don't advance) but for my PID Frame, how do I tell what I need to advance it too, I am trying for a shiny.

In Time Finder, you should have seen your Nearby Shiny Frame, now, take that and subtract your starting frame from your nearby shiny. that is the number of Chatots you need to hear.

Too Funk to Druck
5th August 2011, 10:28 PM
I know I need to hit Frame 1(Don't advance) but for my PID Frame, how do I tell what I need to advance it too, I am trying for a shiny.

Like I said, you should have seen it with your seed in time finder. It's under the column Nearby Shiny. Did you check Find nearby shiny frames in Time Finder?

Metagross-
5th August 2011, 10:34 PM
Nope, doing it now

Tarro57
5th August 2011, 10:58 PM
Woot! Shiny, Adamant, 31/31/x/x/30/x, Terrakion. He was a very easy one, got him on my first try!

TDawg
5th August 2011, 11:00 PM
Woot! Shiny, Adamant, 31/31/x/x/30/x, Terrakion. He was a very easy one, got him on my first try!

Nice but why not 31 ivs in speed?O_o

Tarro57
5th August 2011, 11:02 PM
Nice but why not 31 ivs in speed?O_o

Kinda just wanted to get it shiny with good IVs in some (Not All) Stats, Wanted to get it fast, now I'll try to go after Virizion, What IVs should I get?

Metagross-
5th August 2011, 11:08 PM
Grats, and for Virizon, I think maybe high HP, Spd, and SpA.

MSK
5th August 2011, 11:13 PM
Hi guys

So I think I've got RNG for IV's down now, caught a few wild and one stationary legend with nearly all 31's. Not really going after anything specific just testing.
But I just can't get the hang of PIDRNG for shiny's. I've got my SID (thanks to wardek and V4LOVER who helped me out with this)
Most of the time the shiny frame is really high and I miss out by miles when advancing.
Can anyone tell me an easy way to get stationery legends shiny on frame 1 to save advancing. I'm not bothered about IV's for these just want shiny legends for collector purposes :) Thanks

Tarro57
5th August 2011, 11:14 PM
Grats, and for Virizon, I think maybe high HP, Spd, and SpA.

lol! I waited like 1 miute for responses, then I got my seed with no responses and did those and got those Perfect IVs, I'm right now in the battle with the Shiny Virizion with those IVs!

Too Funk to Druck
5th August 2011, 11:18 PM
Hi guys

So I think I've got RNG for IV's down now, caught a few wild and one stationary legend with nearly all 31's. Not really going after anything specific just testing.
But I just can't get the hang of PIDRNG for shiny's. I've got my SID (thanks to wardek and V4LOVER who helped me out with this)
Most of the time the shiny frame is really high and I miss out by miles when advancing.
Can anyone tell me an easy way to get stationery legends shiny on frame 1 to save advancing. I'm not bothered about IV's for these just want shiny legends for collector purposes :) Thanks

Well, if you don't care about IVs, you should be getting low PID frames even with no keypresses. If you do care about IVs, just add keypresses, which should give you a few low frame seeds.

Tarro57
5th August 2011, 11:33 PM
Woot! Caught the Virizion! Took like 30 Pokeballs but I caught it in a Timer Ball! Finished the Trio! Woo!

Metagross-
6th August 2011, 12:31 AM
This right for finding shinies?
http://i54.*******.com/2co4s9j.png
@Tarro: I've been lookin for a shiny seed with 31/31/31/X/31/31 for like a few hours.

darthmalice777
6th August 2011, 12:31 AM
Woot! Caught the Virizion! Took like 30 Pokeballs but I caught it in a Timer Ball! Finished the Trio! Woo!

Congratulations. But why not go for 4-5 IVs of 30-31? I'm not judging, just curious why RNG for somewhat average IVs.

@Metagross: You need to set your max shiny frame higher than 1, or you will be searching for a long time for results. I would suggest 150 or so as the max until you get comfortable advancing the PID frame. You can leave the synch nature box blank if you're using a synch poke, when you copy the seed to the main RNG reporter window, any PID frame with the nature in bold font can be and will be synched if you choose to have one at the head of your party.

Tarro57
6th August 2011, 12:34 AM
Congratulations. But why not go for 4-5 IVs of 30-31? I'm not judging, just curious why RNG for somewhat average IVs.

I kinda just wanted the shininess with some Perfect IVs. This was only my 5th PIDRNG.

Too Funk to Druck
6th August 2011, 12:36 AM
This right for finding shinies?
http://i54.*******.com/2co4s9j.png
@Tarro: I've been lookin for a shiny seed with 31/31/31/X/31/31 for like a few hours.

Yeah. I'd recommend not having an Encounter slot put in. I can't think of any Pokemon that's only on one encounter slot, and you'd certainly get more results if you didn't have one in.

darthmalice777
6th August 2011, 12:41 AM
I kinda just wanted the shininess with some Perfect IVs. This was only my 5th PIDRNG.

Gotcha. It's just that you could have saved them for later and gotten 100% what you wanted then, instead of catching them so early into learning RNG. I mean, I didn't know about RNG until well after I had caught all the legends in my game, so I restarted the game a few weeks ago just so I could RNG them to my specifications.

Keep up the good work though, seems like you're getting the hang of this fairly quickly. :)

jolteon135
6th August 2011, 12:41 AM
This was only my 5th PIDRNG.
That doesn't affect anything. It's not like better IVs makes it harder to manipulate the PIDRNG. It just means you'd have to search a little longer. I suppose it's none of my business. As long as you're happy with those IVs that's all that matters.

Metagross-
6th August 2011, 12:45 AM
I'm thinking about picking white up just for RNGing, considering I have about 250 dollars, and no big plans with it. I would restart black, but I have abunch of my pokemon on there, and no one to hold onto them. :(

darthmalice777
6th August 2011, 12:45 AM
That doesn't affect anything. It's not like better IVs makes it harder to manipulate the PIDRNG. It just means you'd have to search a little longer. I suppose it's none of my business. As long as you're happy with those IVs that's all that matters.

Haha, search a little longer....my seed was in Jan 2019 so that I only had to chatter 302 times with a synch at the head of my party. I really should have used Pandora's Box to RNG my TID/SID, but I don't care enough about what the caught date is. They legit, and they're mine, and I only cheated by using a 3rd party device (computer) to know when to turn on the game!

@Metagross: you can use pokecheck.org to save your pokes. That's what I did.

Tarro57
6th August 2011, 12:46 AM
Gotcha. It's just that you could have saved them for later and gotten 100% what you wanted then, instead of catching them so early into learning RNG. I mean, I didn't know about RNG until well after I had caught all the legends in my game, so I restarted the game a few weeks ago just so I could RNG them to my specifications.

Keep up the good work though, seems like you're getting the hang of this fairly quickly. :)



That doesn't affect anything. It's not like better IVs makes it harder to manipulate the PIDRNG. It just means you'd have to search a little longer. I suppose it's none of my business. As long as you're happy with those IVs that's all that matters.

Yeah, I'm planning on Restarting my game after I RNG all the Legends to RNG them again and make them perfect. Right now, I'm just trying to RNG all of them to be shiny with some Perfect IVs for a trade shop I'm planning on making in the future.


Haha, search a little longer....my seed was in Jan 2019 so that I only had to chatter 302 times with a synch at the head of my party. I really should have used Pandora's Box to RNG my TID/SID, but I don't care enough about what the caught date is. They legit, and they're mine, and I only cheated by using a 3rd party device (computer) to know when to turn on the game!

I'll RNG my TID/SID when I restart the game for low frames. Those make things so mauch easier...

darthmalice777
6th August 2011, 12:50 AM
Yeah, I'm planning on Restarting my game after I RNG all the Legends to RNG them again and make them perfect. Right now, I'm just trying to RNG all of them to be shiny with some Perfect IVs for a trade shop I'm planning on making in the future.

I'll RNG my TID/SID when I restart the game for low frames. Those make things so mauch easier...

Sounds like a good plan to me, I learned the hard way, lol.

Metagross-
6th August 2011, 12:50 AM
I forgot, I'm going to restart just for fun, and I never finished th story, my little brther did.

EDIT:Actually I'm waiting until after my shny Pawniard.
EDIT2: I did tarro. :P

Tarro57
6th August 2011, 12:56 AM
You should edit your last post and not double post Metagross-...

TDawg
6th August 2011, 1:17 AM
Ah my RNGReporter has been searching for a 31/31/31/X/31/31 Landorus for awhile now:/ it searched over half a billion seeds so far:/

Tarro57
6th August 2011, 1:19 AM
Ah my RNGReporter has been searching for a 31/31/31/X/31/31 Landorus for awhile now:/ it searched over half a billion seeds so far:/

Oh man, good luck, hopefully you get it before a billion...

TDawg
6th August 2011, 1:23 AM
Oh man, good luck, hopefully you get it before a billion...

Lol thanks. Yeah I am hoping so too. It's only because I am searching for a shiny seed:p

Tarro57
6th August 2011, 1:24 AM
Lol thanks. Yeah I am hoping so too. It's only because I am searching for a shiny seed:p

Yeah, kinda figured since it's that high...

Question: If I were to breed a Manaphy and Ditto, Which is the mother/father?

TDawg
6th August 2011, 1:35 AM
It would be the dad. Ditto is always the default mom for genderless pokemon

Tarro57
6th August 2011, 1:37 AM
It would be the dad. Ditto is always the default mom for genderless pokemon

Good, Thankyou, I'll come back later with a shiny Phione!

darthmalice777
6th August 2011, 2:09 AM
Didn't have one yet and was bored, so....


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/mrmalice/shiny.pnghttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/mrmalice/554.gifhttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/mrmalice/555.gif
Darumaka | OT: Malice
Jolly | Inner Focus | Hatched: 8/5/11
Tackle | Incinerate
31/31/31/31/31/31

Tarro57
6th August 2011, 2:33 AM
I didn't expect to get the first Phione egg to be shiny...


Phione: Shiny
Hatched: Skyarrow Bridge
OT: Tarro ID: 24925
IVs: 31/7/11/31/17/31 Nature: Jolly
Moves: Bubble, Water Sport

DerpFloon0089
6th August 2011, 2:40 AM
YESSS!!!, I finally pulled off my first RNG.
I wasn't aiming for any particular pokemon but I got a durant with 31/31/31/18/31/28 ivs and HP water.
This was the standard seed method( I gave up on the c-gear seed method. Just too much for me).
Now I'm going for PIDRNG which(hopefully) shoudn't be too difficult.
Also I must ask, Why chatot?

darthmalice777
6th August 2011, 2:43 AM
YESSS!!!, I finally pulled off my first RNG.
I wasn't aiming for any particular pokemon but I got a durant with 31/31/31/18/31/28 ivs and HP water.
This was the standard seed method( I gave up on the c-gear seed method. Just too much for me).
Now I'm going for PIDRNG which(hopefully) shoudn't be too difficult.
Also I must ask, Why chatot?

Congratulations. For whatever reason, Chatot's move "Chatter" (when you've recorded a custom one) advances the PID frame by 1 everytime you view it's summary screen.

Too Funk to Druck
6th August 2011, 2:44 AM
YESSS!!!, I finally pulled off my first RNG.
I wasn't aiming for any particular pokemon but I got a durant with 31/31/31/18/31/28 ivs and HP water.
This was the standard seed method( I gave up on the c-gear seed method. Just too much for me).
Now I'm going for PIDRNG which(hopefully) shoudn't be too difficult.
Also I must ask, Why chatot?

When it has a recorded chatter, it can advance the PID frame. I don't know exactly why that is though.

jolteon135
6th August 2011, 2:53 AM
When it has a recorded chatter, it can advance the PID frame. I don't know exactly why that is though.
Because the game has to consume a frame (advance the PID frame by 1) to calculate the pitch of Chatot's cry.
If it has the regular cry the game already knows what that pitch is so it doesn't need to calculate it.

Benefactor
6th August 2011, 3:11 AM
Alright...just started RNGing a few weeks ago, but I feel pretty comfortable with it now. Flawless egg movers are kind of a pain since you have to RNG the mother or father as well...


http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/347.gifhttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/348.gif
Adamant Anorith with Swift Swim
Scratch | Harden | Cross Poison
HP 31, Atk 31, Def 31, SpA 31, SpD 31, Spe 31

jolteon135
6th August 2011, 3:22 AM
Alright...just started RNGing a few weeks ago, but I feel pretty comfortable with it now. Flawless egg movers are kind of a pain since you have to RNG the mother or father as well...
No you don't. Don't you have a flawless Ditto? 1 flawless parent (Ditto) should be enough especially with the everstone.

Too Funk to Druck
6th August 2011, 3:22 AM
Because the game has to consume a frame (advance the PID frame by 1) to calculate the pitch of Chatot's cry.
If it has the regular cry the game already knows what that pitch is so it doesn't need to calculate it.
Wow, that's actually pretty cool to know. I've actually been pretty interested in reading about the whys of some things in RNGIng.


Alright...just started RNGing a few weeks ago, but I feel pretty comfortable with it now. Flawless egg movers are kind of a pain since you have to RNG the mother or father as well...


http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/347.gifhttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/348.gif
Adamant Anorith with Swift Swim
Scratch | Harden | Cross Poison
HP 31, Atk 31, Def 31, SpA 31, SpD 31, Spe 31

Nice. But I agree, egg-move breeding is annoying. I think I've only done it once, and I kept letting the egg moves get deleted the Daycare.

Benefactor
6th August 2011, 3:32 AM
No you don't. Don't you have a flawless Ditto? 1 flawless parent (Ditto) should be enough especially with the everstone.

Yes I have a flawless Ditto, but with a great deal of them I have to transfer the moves between different species. I guess I could breed the father of the right species with egg moves beforehand without RNGing, but then getting the everstone nature you want is a pain and I don't have a wealth of good-natured flawless Ditto. Also Ditto goes out the window once DW abilities come into play (which this Anorith has).

darthmalice777
6th August 2011, 4:03 AM
And with this little lady done, so am I for the night. Have a good one everyone.


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/mrmalice/shiny.pnghttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/mrmalice/058.gifhttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/mrmalice/059.gif
Growlithe http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/mrmalice/female.png | OT: Malice
Adamant | Intimidate | Hatched: 8/5/11
Roar | Crunch | Flare Blitz | Morning Sun
31/31/31/31/31/31

cannibaleyes
6th August 2011, 4:25 AM
Because I haven't posted any RNGs in forever...

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/489.gif
[OT: Canibal 64858]
[Hatched: Undella Bay. 8/2/2011]
[Nature: Jolly][Ability: Hydration][Gender: N/A]
[IV: 31 / 31 / 31 / 31 / 31 / 31]

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/158.gif
[OT: Canibal 64858]
[Hatched: Liberty Gaden. 8/4/2011]
[Nature: Jolly][Ability: Torrent][Gender: ♂]
[IV: 31 / 31 / 31 / 31 / 31 / 31]
[Dragon Dance | Ice Punch ]

Teal? Get Real. 8-)

Sonikku za Hejjihoggu
6th August 2011, 4:37 AM
Did you really RNG a Jolly Phione.

JoeB1223
6th August 2011, 5:08 AM
Late to the party, but nice new thread. :-) Props to everyone who was/is involved.

Kailassa
6th August 2011, 7:02 AM
I'm thinking about picking white up just for RNGing, considering I have about 250 dollars, and no big plans with it.
I did that yesterday - picked up Black, (I had White,) on special for $45 and scored a $50 DS Lite, (just like new,) from Ebay. Got Diamond, Pearl and Platinum second-hand in a bundle too, with a spare DS Lite for RNGing the old legends. So now I'm going to confuse the hell out of myself and/or RNG reporter by having multiple parameters.

Shizuka helpfully directed me toward this guide which includes RNGing your SID:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12206225/RNG/g5%20rngguide%20v01.pdf

ATM I'm playing my way up to Victory road so I can get my parameters for the new set up and then restart.

I'm wondering what would be the most all-round useful type of seed to have for someone who wants to RNG perfect shinies of everything, but for whom breeding is the priority.


I would restart black, but I have a bunch of my pokemon on there, and no one to hold onto them. :(
The easiest way to store your pokemon is to install IR GTS on your computer. Then you just enter the GTS in the game to trade, but first set your DS's DNS to the setting IR GTS tells you. Then you can upload copies of all your pokemon to your computer quite quickly.

When you have your new game ready you can simply trade again, (you don't have to part with anything for IR GTS trades,) and get back whichever pokes you want.
- It's an idea to give them hold items before uploading.

Kailassa
6th August 2011, 7:15 AM
Nice. But I agree, egg-move breeding is annoying. I think I've only done it once, and I kept letting the egg moves get deleted the Daycare.
My solution has been to quickly level up egg-move fathers against the Route 14 Audinos, (using lucky egg and Entralink 1 hour 3x experience boost,) to a level past the point of the last move it can learn. Then you can breed safely.

Having 5 pickuppers with you while you level up makes it more rewarding and less of a drag.

jolteon135
6th August 2011, 7:15 AM
I'm wondering what would be the most all-round useful type of seed to have for someone who wants to RNG perfect shinies of everything, but for whom breeding is the priority.
What do you mean? What kind of seed you should RNG your ID/SID for? RNGing your ID/SID doesn't help much in B/W. It'll only guarantees you 1 shiny frame on 1 seed.
For Wild Pokemon that means 1 encounter slot and 1 ability. You can look at the encounter tables and see if there's a particular encounter slot with a lot of Pokemon you want to catch shiny.
For stationaries/gifts it might be useful if you want only flawless shiny legendaries or something like that but generally people like hidden powers for some legendaries and flawless for others.
For eggs it has no use.
For roamers it can make the searching a little less painful but still if you search long enough you can find a good shiny frame for the roamer without RNGing your ID/SID.

Kailassa
6th August 2011, 7:51 AM
Thanks Jolteon. I was unable to see any great advantage in it because of the number of different slots there are, and I've found some quite good synchronizable seeds in my old game already. So I was left puzzled, wondering what it was I was missing.

However I'll do it anyway once I've established my parameters for this game/device.

Actually, if one wanted to waste a lot of time doing so, one could get a perfect shiny seed on MITV frame 1 and PID frame = starting frame for each slot, restarting the game for each one. One would get good at running Nuzlocke that way. ;)

Zenotwapal
6th August 2011, 2:12 PM
Alright...just started RNGing a few weeks ago, but I feel pretty comfortable with it now. Flawless egg movers are kind of a pain since you have to RNG the mother or father as well...


http://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/347.gifhttp://sprites.pokecheck.org/s/348.gif
Adamant Anorith with Swift Swim
Scratch | Harden | Cross Poison
HP 31, Atk 31, Def 31, SpA 31, SpD 31, Spe 31
I dont RNG the parents on anything.

I just use a pokemon that has the egg moves already and then breed it with a ditto that way.

Metagross-
6th August 2011, 2:57 PM
Ok, I think I've got my shiny ready to catch.

EDIT: I wouldve had it yesterday but fell asleep. :P
EDIT2: Nevermind, forgot to get my Chatots.

Tarro57
6th August 2011, 3:42 PM
Because I haven't posted any RNGs in forever...

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/489.gif
[OT: Canibal 64858]
[Hatched: Undella Bay. 8/2/2011]
[Nature: Jolly][Ability: Hydration][Gender: N/A]
[IV: 31 / 31 / 31 / 31 / 31 / 31]

http://www.pokecheck.org/i/anims/158.gif
[OT: Canibal 64858]
[Hatched: Liberty Gaden. 8/4/2011]
[Nature: Jolly][Ability: Torrent][Gender: ♂]
[IV: 31 / 31 / 31 / 31 / 31 / 31]
[Dragon Dance | Ice Punch ]

Teal? Get Real. 8-)

I laughed when I saw this because I just RNGed a Shiny, Jolly Phione last night! :P Anyways, Nice RNGs! I don't know what to get next, I'm thinking the Kyurem, but I also want the Musharna or another egg (Musharna for a tiny challenge). So, who should I go for?

Shinepoke
6th August 2011, 4:08 PM
I dont RNG the parents on anything.

I just use a pokemon that has the egg moves already and then breed it with a ditto that way.

Yeah the only problem is that you can't breed dw parents with a ditto to get the dw ability.

Poke16Freak
6th August 2011, 4:55 PM
I have a question if my time finder frame is 1
and my PID frame is 45 how many chatot flips do i do is it just 44.
this is for rnging a wild flawless shiny

SasakiThePikachu
6th August 2011, 5:02 PM
I'm going to start this post, as with every other I shall post on here, with forgive my n00biness, but...

...is it possible to obtain one's secret ID without a cheat method? I've tried using pokecheck.org but run into an error message when entering primar DNS on my DSlite, despite following the rules exactly.

...is it possible to use RNG to find a wild shiny poke, instead of just hatching one?

...when you're first using sweet scent to catch pokes and check the parameters and all that...does it matter how/when you do this? Do you have to save the game in a cave/patch of grass, then immediately use sweet scent to catch the pokes? And is it ok if you box these sweet-scented caught pokes, save the game, and turn off, or does their parameter-checking viability only count for as long as the DS is turned on?

Again I apologise if any of this is dumb/obvious. I only started learning how to RNG the other day, and despite reading every guide under the sun I barely know what the eff I'm talking about.

Metagross-
6th August 2011, 5:03 PM
Now to start my new game in blck. :D

And @Poke16freak, you have to find your starting frame by going into the main menu, go to Method 5 PIDRNG and paste your seed in and fill it out and then what pops up in starting frame on the left after you click calculate intial PIDRNG frame is your strting frame and you do. PID Frame - starting frame = chatot flips

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Poke16Freak
6th August 2011, 5:16 PM
Now to start my new game in blck. :D

And @Poke16freak, you have to find your starting frame by going into the main menu, go to Method 5 PIDRNG and paste your seed in and fill it out and then what pops up in starting frame on the left after you click calculate intial PIDRNG frame is your strting frame and you do. PID Frame - starting frame = chatot flips

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

yes i did all that and my PID frame was 45 so what is my starting frame where is it located

Tarro57
6th August 2011, 5:16 PM
Alright, I'm confused, I hit the right Musharna frame, but it wasn't shiny. I looked at it's stats and they were what that frame's was, I looked to see if there was another Modest nature one (Since my frame was for Modest, shiny) and there wasn't another one for 50 more frames, and that one was female so there is NO way I hit that frame, but I hit the shiny frame but it wasn't shiny. Is it possible for that Musharna to be shiny?

Metagross-
6th August 2011, 5:22 PM
yes i did all that and my PID frame was 45 so what is my starting frame where is it located

It should be in the main window after you enter your seed and click find intitial PIDRNG frame or something like that and it will be under max fresults where it says starting frame.

And tarro, I don't know, but I thought it could.

Tarro57
6th August 2011, 5:25 PM
And tarro, I don't know, but I thought it could.

Alright, I'll try it again...

Poke16Freak
6th August 2011, 5:34 PM
It should be in the main window after you enter your seed and click find intitial PIDRNG frame or something like that and it will be under max fresults where it says starting frame.

And tarro, I don't know, but I thought it could.

wait do u have to rng the ivs first to see in what PID ur in and thats ur starting frame and than u subtract on how many the target frame is or no..

Tarro57
6th August 2011, 5:41 PM
I'm just gonna breed a Munna...

Tytus
6th August 2011, 5:43 PM
wait do u have to rng the ivs first to see in what PID ur in and thats ur starting frame and than u subtract on how many the target frame is or no..
I think I understand what you are asking.

RNG reporter gives you a predicted starting frame, but yours will likely be a few higher than that. First, go through the RNG process without doing any Chatot flips. Hatch your egg, check the ability, nature, gender, and if possible IV inheritance, to find which one you actually hit, which should be near the predicted frame. Then subtract the frame you hit from your target frame, and that will tell you the number of Chatot flips you need.

Poke16Freak
6th August 2011, 5:44 PM
I think I understand what you are asking.

RNG reporter gives you a predicted starting frame, but yours will likely be a few higher than that. First, go through the RNG process without doing any Chatot flips. Hatch your egg, check the ability, nature, gender, and if possible IV inheritance, to find which one you actually hit, which should be near the predicted frame. Then subtract the frame you hit from your target frame, and that will tell you the number of Chatot flips you need.

im doing wild pokemon so would it be the same procedure

Kailassa
6th August 2011, 5:53 PM
wait do u have to rng the ivs first to see in what PID ur in and thats ur starting frame and than u subtract on how many the target frame is or no..
After using the Time Finder window of RNG Reporter to find a suitable seed with a Nearby Shiny Frame, copy the Full Seed, and paste that into Seed(Hex) in the main window.

Now press the "Calculate Initial PIDRNG Frame" button to find your Starting Frame. Subtract the starting frame value this window gives from the nearby shiny frame value on the other window to find how many advances you need to reach your shiny frame.

If you need 1 advance, that's viewing 1 chatter you have prerecorded. If you're lucky enough to get a frame of 1 for your IVs and a PIDRNG frame of zero, you just get into your game at the right second, having saved in the grass where there are no randomly moving game characters and no weather, sweet scent and catch your desired shiny.

Sometimes a seed won't be usable because the starting frame value will be greater than the nearby shiny frame value. All you can do then is choose another seed.

Poke16Freak
6th August 2011, 6:12 PM
After using the Time Finder window of RNG Reporter to find a suitable seed with a Nearby Shiny Frame, copy the Full Seed, and paste that into Seed(Hex) in the main window.

Now press the "Calculate Initial PIDRNG Frame" button to find your Starting Frame. Subtract the starting frame value this window gives from the nearby shiny frame value on the other window to find how many advances you need to reach your shiny frame.

If you need 1 advance, that's viewing 1 chatter you have prerecorded. If you're lucky enough to get a frame of 1 for your IVs and a PIDRNG frame of zero, you just get into your game at the right second, having saved in the grass where there are no randomly moving game characters and no weather, sweet scent and catch your desired shiny.

Sometimes a seed won't be usable because the starting frame value will be greater than the nearby shiny frame value. All you can do then is choose another seed.

alright and u find ur nearby shiny frame in time finder right where it says Frame under the capture tab right

||Caboose||
6th August 2011, 6:18 PM
Alright, I'm confused, I hit the right Musharna frame, but it wasn't shiny. I looked at it's stats and they were what that frame's was, I looked to see if there was another Modest nature one (Since my frame was for Modest, shiny) and there wasn't another one for 50 more frames, and that one was female so there is NO way I hit that frame, but I hit the shiny frame but it wasn't shiny. Is it possible for that Musharna to be shiny?
There are wandering NPC's where that Musharna is at. It can be shiny, but you have to find your shifted starting frame.

Tarro57
6th August 2011, 6:31 PM
There are wandering NPC's where that Musharna is at. It can be shiny, but you have to find your shifted starting frame.

Yeah, I know about that, but I did hit the right frame because all the nature and stuff were correct, but the shiny wasn't for some reason...

Kailassa
6th August 2011, 6:43 PM
alright and u find ur nearby shiny frame in time finder right where it says Frame under the capture tab right
The Nearby Shiny frame is in the column beside Frame.

Tarro57
6th August 2011, 6:45 PM
AW MAN! I'm an Idiot! I know why none of my frames were working now! I had the wrong ID/SID put in! I had my Platinum's put in... I feel like an idiot now...

Kailassa
6th August 2011, 6:47 PM
Yeah, I know about that, but I did hit the right frame because all the nature and stuff were correct, but the shiny wasn't for some reason...
You hit the correct IV Frame. However you did not hit the correct PIDRNG frame.

What was your nearby shiny frame value, what was your starting frame value, what pokemon are you catching, where exactly are you catching it?

Tarro57
6th August 2011, 6:51 PM
You hit the correct IV Frame. However you did not hit the correct PIDRNG frame.

What was your nearby shiny frame value, what was your starting frame value, what pokemon are you catching, where exactly are you catching it?

I know how to do this, I've done it before, I'm making sure that that wasn't the problem by getting me a Shiny, Bashful, 31/31/x/31/x/x Kyurem. I was trying to get a Shiny Musharna before, I just had thos 2 things wrong...

It's good! I got the shiny, Bashful, 31/31/x/31/x/x, Kyurem! Time for Musharna...

Aeros
6th August 2011, 7:09 PM
I just have one question: do you have to search your parameters everytime you abuse the rng, or do you just do it once and base everything on that?

Tarro57
6th August 2011, 7:17 PM
I just have one question: do you have to search your parameters everytime you abuse the rng, or do you just do it once and base everything on that?

Just the one time! :D

Poke16Freak
6th August 2011, 7:25 PM
Just the one time! :D

so u only have to calibrate once and input the same date and time and ivs everytime u rng?

Shinepoke
6th August 2011, 7:26 PM
I'm going to start this post, as with every other I shall post on here, with forgive my n00biness, but...

...is it possible to obtain one's secret ID without a cheat method? I've tried using pokecheck.org but run into an error message when entering primar DNS on my DSlite, despite following the rules exactly.

You can use ir gts.


...is it possible to use RNG to find a wild shiny poke, instead of just hatching one?

Yes I do that all the time


...when you're first using sweet scent to catch pokes and check the parameters and all that...does it matter how/when you do this? Do you have to save the game in a cave/patch of grass, then immediately use sweet scent to catch the pokes? And is it ok if you box these sweet-scented caught pokes, save the game, and turn off, or does their parameter-checking viability only count for as long as the DS is turned off?

You get to choose when to figure parameters. There is a certain procedure to doing this.you have to save in a cave or somewhere with no npcs that move like most people use the last Cve of victory road where cheren is. And once you catch the poke record him/her it's yours. Dont worry what you do after the parameters with the pokemon


IAgain I apologise if any of this is dumb/obvious. I only started learning how to RNG the other day, and despite reading every guide under the sun I barely know what the eff I'm talking about.

No problem. Just read the first post and the FAQ. A lot of your questions could be answered there.

Aeros
6th August 2011, 7:28 PM
Just the one time! :D

sweet.
thanks for the help.

I'm going to be aiming for a shiny smeargle with as close to flawless ivs as I can get it. I just need the flawless ditto, and I should be set.

Tarro57
6th August 2011, 7:30 PM
sweet.
thanks for the help.

I'm going to be aiming for a shiny smeargle with as close to flawless ivs as I can get it. I just need the flawless ditto, and I should be set.

I downloaded mine off of PokeCheck! It is a shiny Flawless Ditto! Credit to the original owner!

Edit: I just encouuntered the shiny Musharna! Woot! First try! Did 2 less because the PID frame always goes up by 2 for me...

jolteon135
6th August 2011, 7:45 PM
so u only have to calibrate once and input the same date and time and ivs everytime u rng

Are you asking a question? (use question mark)
After you find your parameters click "use results in time finder." They're saved in the time finder so you never have to find your parameters again unless you change DS or cartridge.

Aeros
6th August 2011, 8:09 PM
I downloaded mine off of PokeCheck! It is a shiny Flawless Ditto! Credit to the original owner!

Edit: I just encouuntered the shiny Musharna! Woot! First try! Did 2 less because the PID frame always goes up by 2 for me...

congrats man, and thanks for the tip on the ditto.
I just downloaded mine off of the gts, so i should have the smeargle soon.
thanks man

Tarro57
6th August 2011, 8:11 PM
congrats man, and thanks for the tip on the ditto.
I just downloaded mine off of the gts, so i should have the smeargle soon.
thanks man

Thankyou and YourWelcome!

Metagross-
6th August 2011, 8:45 PM
If I restart, do I need to recalibrate? I dont think I do, but I wanna make sure.

Too Funk to Druck
6th August 2011, 8:48 PM
If I restart, do I need to recalibrate? I dont think I do, but I wanna make sure.

Nope. Your calibrations should stay the same.

Poke16Freak
6th August 2011, 8:54 PM
Are you asking a question? (use question mark)
After you find your parameters click "use results in time finder." They're saved in the time finder so you never have to find your parameters again unless you change DS or cartridge.

So since i already calibrated once evertime i want to rng i just go straight to time finder and input the pokemon i want?

Zenotwapal
6th August 2011, 9:17 PM
http://static.pokemonvortex.org/images/pokemon/Shiny%20Larvitar.gif
NN: (none) / Boy
Hatched @: Lacunosa Town / 12/1/2011 / Jolly / Quick to Flee
31 / 31 / 31 / 0 / 31 / 31
Moves: Dragon Dance / Outrage / Leer / Payback

just got it bro.
going to get a Storm Drain Gastrodon for a trade next.