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AquaMilotic
19th August 2011, 11:56 PM
TEAM AT A GLANCE

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FOREWORD

Hello, I'm AquaMilotic. In 2010, I retired from competitive battling. However, I want to get high on the leaderboard once again (my best achievement ever is #5 on the UU Smogon Shoddy ladder). The last team I ever built did not get high on a leaderboard... I want good closure of my competitive battling time, so I built this team.

COMPETITIVE ENVIROMENT

I play on the Shoddy Pokemonexperte server. There, Latias and Salamence are allowed in OU. Do not say "u n00b, Latias and Salamence are Uber", they aren't Uber on the server where I play.

COMEBACK

I will not start rating again or be a competitive battler again. This is a short comeback, when I got this team high on the Pokemonexperte server leaderboard, I'll go back in retirement again. I just want better closure for my competitive "career". This is my last competitive team ever.

TITLE ORIGIN

I got the idea for the title of this RMT from the first Pokemon movie and the special about Mewtwo, I replaced Mewtwo with AquaMilotic. And AquaMilotic returns to competitive battling, for a short period. That made me choose the title "AquaMilotic Strikes Back (AquaMilotic Returns)."

WIN-LOSS RATIO

I did 10 battles to test the team, and I won 9 of them. In those won battles, I won most battles relatively easily.

MILOTIC

My favorite Pokémon is Milotic. I know competitive battling is about using the best teams and the best Pokémon to win, not about using favorites (Milotic). To make the team as good as possible, outclassed Pokémon (like Milotic) should be replaced. I know that. However, I use a philosophy (in my signature). All other Pokémon are replaceable and Milotics set can be changed when needed. I prefer this set, but I am willing to change it if it is a good idea. Don't pester me with Milotic replacements.

ARROGANCE

I am not arrogant. I don't think I am perfect. I am willing to listen to changes. Milotic is irreplaceable. However, I am willing to change its set. Aside from Milotic, everything can be replaced. However, I only use rates that work well. I determine if they work well by test battles. If I do not make the changes in your rate, i did NOT ignore your rate! Then it just doesn't improve the team, I do 5 to 10 test battles each rate. Also, give me some time to test and do not complain if you get no response in a few hours. I have to eat, sleep, breathe, test rates and a lot more. I have a life.

RATES POLICY

You rate > I read the rate > I test the rate on Shoddy > I decide if I'll make the suggested changes.

CREDITS

Both the sprites and the anime pictures in this RMT are from Bulbapedia. Screenshots of the leaderboard are uploaded with Imageshack.

THE TEAM IN-DEPTH

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Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly
- U-turn
- Trick
- Stealth Rock
- Iron Head

Why these EVs+nature?
Max Speed is clear, to outspeed as much as possible. Both at the beginning of a match and later on. 252 Attack EVs is also clear, to do as much damage as possible, and to take advantage of FlinchHax by using Iron Head.

Why these moves?
Stealth Rock is awesome for every team. Iron Head abuses FlinchHax and gets STAB. Trick is nice to screw many Pokemon, but keeping the Scarf can also be nice, because of FlinchHax. U-Turn has a scouting purpose and is a very useful move.

Opinion?
I use this lead on lots of teams. Its FlinchHax makes many opponents rage quit, and Jirachi is not a suicide lead: it's useful after using Stealth Rock as well. This is one of my favourite leads of all times!

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Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 40 Spd
Bold
- Grass Knot
- Heal Bell
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Why these EVs+nature?
Max HP and 216 Def provide Celebi physical bulk. Normally, these Celebi have 36 Speed EVs, I use 40 to outspeed them. Not a nessecary investment, but it can be useful and I like it. The 36 Speed EVs were meant to outspeed non-Scarfed max Speed Tyranitar.

Why these moves?
Grass Knot is a STAB move, and very powerful against heavy Pokemon. Recover provides recovery, no explanation needed. Thunder Wave paralyzes opponents, a great way to make a fast sweeper less dangerous. Heal Bell is a move I always use on Celebi, I always want a cleric.

Opinion?
A staple on my teams. I always want a cleric, and Celebi is perfect for that. It is a great Gyarados counter and a great supporter/wall overall.

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Scizor @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
Adamant
- Roost
- Bullet Punch
- Brick Break
- Swords Dance

Why these EVs+nature?
I think high HP fits better with Roost, to make Scizor both powerful and bulky. 248 and not 252 HP EVs, because of Life Orb. Max Attack and Adamant are there to hit as hard as possible.

Why these moves?
Bullet Punch gets Technician boost, STAB and priority, which makes it a great attack for Scizor. Brick Break is better than Superpower, because Superpower lowers Scizors Atk and Def. Roost is there for bulk and recovery and Swords Dance boosts its Attack.

Opinion?
I really love Swords Dance Scizor. Most people expect CB. I will not change this to a CB Scizor. It hits hard and is able to hit even harder after some Sword Dances. I also like Roost on Scizor.

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Salamence @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 16 Atk /240 SAtk / 252 Spe
Naive
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Draco Meteor
- Outrage

Why these EVs+nature?
Max Speed to outspeed as much as possible. Naive, so none of the offensive/attacking stats is lowered. This is New MixMence, both good at Physical and Special attacking.

Why these moves?
Draco Meteor is very strong, especially with max SAtk EVs. Fire Blast covers Skarmory and Forretress. Earthquake and Dragon moves have good coverage Outrage is there for physical STAB, and is very strong, even without a big Atk EV investment.

Opinion?
MixMence is great. Opponents don't know what to switch in, MixMence is hard to wall. It is able to hit almost every Pokemon very hard.

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Latias @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spe
Timid
- Draco Meteor
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Trick

Why these EVs+nature?
Max Speed and SAtk, not much to explain here.

Why these moves?
Draco Meteor is very strong, we all know that. Thunderbolt makes Latias a great Gyarados counter, Latias outspeeds Gyarados even after a Dragon Dance. Surf helps against Heatran and Infernape. Trick is always nice against Blissey and other Pokemon that hate being Choiced.

Opinion?
Since Latias got banned from OU on Smogon, I always used Starmie with Scarf as my revenge killer. I always want a Scarfer with more than 100 base speed. But Latias is better than Starmie. Latias is a great check/counter against many Pokemon, and in my opinion, the best revenge killer in the game. I'm glad that she's allowed on Pokemonexperte.

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Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Marvel Scale
EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SAtk
Modest
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Sleep Talk
- Rest

Why these EVs+nature?
I am using this spread for more offensive power, while still surviving what it needs to. The spread achieves many things, like the examples listed here.

- OHKOs Infernape (4 HP/0 SDef) without SR
- 2HKOs standard Scizor (252 HP/8 SDef) with SR.
- 2HKOs standard Celebi (252 HP/0 SDef) with SR.
- 2HKOs Heatran (4 HP/0 SDef) without SR, might OHKO with SR.
- CB Scizor (252 Atk) U-Turn never 2HKOs after SR WHEN MILOTIC IS SLEEPING.

Why these moves?
Surf and Ice Beam covers a lot. Surf with this SAtk is very powerful. Rest lets Milotic heal and boost Def (Marvel Scale). Sleep Talk allows it to attack while sleeping.

Opinion?
A great set. A more offensive approach for Milotic, while still bulky. Even with no SDef EVs, Milotic can take many Special Attacks with ease. Because of Marvel Scale, it can be a nice Physical Wall. This set also makes use of that underrated 100 base SAtk. No lesser Vaporeon, because of Marvel Scale. Milotic is on every team of mine, because it is my favourite Pokemon.

TEAM BUILDING PROCESS


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I started with Milotic, like I always do. Milotic is my favourite Pokemon.

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Then I decided that Scizor would be the main sweeper of the team. Recovery, priority, great Attack, Scizor has everything it needs to be a great sweeper.

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Scizor has trouble with Gyarados and Zapdos. And Latias is allowed on the server where I play. Latias has always been my favourite revenge killer of all times, so I immediately thought of it when using Scizor. When predicted right, Latias can switch in on Rotom-A and use Draco Meteor.

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I needed a wallbreaker. MixMence seemed like a great option to me. It has been doing great so far.

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I needed a lead, a Pokemon that could use Stealth Rock. Jirachi immediately came to mind, I use it a lot. Jirachi also revenge kills Tyranitar.

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I needed one more Pokemon for my team. Preferably a cleric that could also provide some extra bulk. Celebi came to mind. It also has Thunder Wave to cripple opponents. And Celebi is very nice against some Water types Scizor has trouble with.

LAST WORDS.

- Only rate if you read everything. If you haven't, please do so now.
- Again, don't pester me with Milotic replacements.
- Thank you for reading my RMT.
- If you have questions, feel free to ask them.

SPPF staff members, please tell me what's wrong so I can change it if this RMT breaks a rule instead of closing this thread.

Milotic

Blue Harvest
20th August 2011, 6:38 AM
1) People still play Shoddy?
2) Pokemonexperte was awful back when people played it.
3) CB Scizor U-turn easily 2HKOs your Milotic.

I got to #1 on Pokemonexperte in like, a half hour back when people actually played. If your goal is to succeed there you should have no problem.

AquaMilotic
20th August 2011, 8:42 PM
1) People still play Shoddy?
2) Pokemonexperte was awful back when people played it.
3) CB Scizor U-turn easily 2HKOs your Milotic.

I got to #1 on Pokemonexperte in like, a half hour back when people actually played. If your goal is to succeed there you should have no problem.

On Pokemonexperte, there are usually around 30 people online on that Shoddy server when I am online.

About awful: I won 9 of my first 10 battles, and those wins were really easy. The loss was pure bad luck and hax against me. I think reaching a nice spot on that leaderboard should be possible (no offense against pokemonexperte intended).

I have an account on that server for two years, I made it when I constantly got bullied on Smogon, to battle without getting bullied. I haven't battled there for years since I made the team in this RMT, so it'll take me some time to get me a good rating. But if I keep winning, I'll reach the leaderboard.

About Milotic: I meant sleeping Milotic, thanks for noticing my mistake, I'll change the first post in this thread.

My goal is better closure for my competitive battling years. It's almost a year ago since I retired, and I still felt uncomfortable about my last team. I had to do this and to get better closure for competitive battling.

UPDATE

The highest spot on the leaderboard I have reached so far with this team is #29. My username there is MarvelscaleMilotic, named after my DeviantArt account name. I made that alt on Shoddy today (alts on Shoddy are allowed), because my AquaMilotic account had so much wins, and still no spot on the leaderboard.

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I will try to get as high as possible, I am sure a higher place on the leaderboard is possible.

Salavoir55
17th September 2011, 9:59 PM
It's very difficult for me to see anything wrong with the team, and even more difficult to suggest replacements, but I don't know whether that's because of the team or because I don't know what I'm doing anymore. It seems like you could have some trouble with opposing Scizor and Tyranitar. Tyranitar has some trouble getting in, but its sandstorm will very much hurt your Mence, which is also a Pokemon that could be useful for forcing out slower Tars. Scizor can get in more easily, and once it's in, especially with SR, it will be difficult to force it back out. Your best bet is to sacrifice Mence to stop it (though there's no guarantee your Mence could stop it), or to use your own Scizor to weaken it. Either way, seems a bit tricky. I suppose you could hurt it badly with Latias too if it doesn't decide to switch out with U-Turn.

I haven't run any damage calculations, so you may want to do that to see if I'm right.

It also seems you're a bit weak on the SDef side, such that opposing Scarfed or otherwise speed-bosted special attackers will do damage before they are forced out (e.g., who do you switch to in order to take a heavy Draco Meteor? Milotic helps, but I'm not sure it will work against some Draco Meteors with SR up cause Milotic has no investment in SDef, but again, you'll need to run the calcs though you probably already have; if I'm wrong about DM, you still might want to check some other hard-hitting Special Attacks; remember that it's not so much about having a team that can take some special attacks once, but being able to take them repeatedly until you are able to take the attacker out).

Having said all that, this team seems fairly tight. I'm not sure what you could switch out for what to make it better, though someone more into the game probably could. My initial guess would be Scarf Rachi or Scarf Latias (but not both), or Mence, or one of those along with Mence.

AquaMilotic
18th September 2011, 12:01 AM
@Mods: I'm merely rating this as a favor to AquaMilotic. I already warned him that I've forgotten pretty much everything and so my rate would probably not be helpful. But AM wanted me to rate, nevertheless, so here I am as promised. Anyone who knows their stuff feel free to correct my rate.



It's very difficult for me to see anything wrong with the team, and even more difficult to suggest replacements, but I don't know whether that's because of the team or because I don't know what I'm doing anymore. It seems like you could have some trouble with opposing Scizor and Tyranitar. Tyranitar has some trouble getting in, but its sandstorm will very much hurt your Mence, which is also a Pokemon that could be useful for forcing out slower Tars. Scizor can get in more easily, and once it's in, especially with SR, it will be difficult to force it back out. Your best bet is to sacrifice Mence to stop it (though there's no guarantee your Mence could stop it), or to use your own Scizor to weaken it. Either way, seems a bit tricky. I suppose you could hurt it badly with Latias too if it doesn't decide to switch out with U-Turn.

I haven't run any damage calculations, so you may want to do that to see if I'm right.

It also seems you're a bit weak on the SDef side, such that opposing Scarfed or otherwise speed-bosted special attackers will do damage before they are forced out (e.g., who do you switch to in order to take a heavy Draco Meteor? Milotic helps, but I'm not sure it will work against some Draco Meteors with SR up cause Milotic has no investment in SDef, but again, you'll need to run the calcs though you probably already have; if I'm wrong about DM, you still might want to check some other hard-hitting Special Attacks; remember that it's not so much about having a team that can take some special attacks once, but being able to take them repeatedly until you are able to take the attacker out).

Having said all that, this team seems fairly tight. I'm not sure what you could switch out for what to make it better, though someone more into the game probably could. My initial guess would be Scarf Rachi or Scarf Latias (but not both), or Mence, or one of those along with Mence.


I'm probably a bit too late in rating this for my rate to be relevant still, and even then, this (small) rate probably isn't that useful; at the very least, perhaps it will spark an idea for you. Sorry for the delay, and that I can't make a more useful rate!

First of all, thank you for the rate! I didn't expect it anymore. I already quit using this team, but you rating this team inspired me to give it one last shot to reach the top 10.

Your knowledge is definitely not gone and your rate is useful! When I just made this team, I hadn't battled for almost a year and I still know a lot about 4th gen OU and my team did well. Because of the existence of 5th gen, many people stopped playing 4th gen, so there weren't a lot of changes and I dind't have any trouble restarting. When I lost some battles in a row, I doubted myself and thought "I can't do it anymore, I became bad at this", but after some wins, that feeling went away.

About Tyranitar: I didn't have problems when battling them. Jirachi can come in with right prediction and FlinchHax it to death (risky, but I have beaten many Tyranitar that way). Milotic does a fine job when sleeping, Celebi is unable to switch in but Tyranitar is unable to do so too. Scizor has also done a great job at beating it. However, none of them are pure counters. However, I almost never had trouble with Tyranitar.

Scizor is harder to beat, you are right. Jirachi FlinchHaxed some to death, but that is an unreliable strategy. Milotic performs great against it, but only when sleeping. Salamence's Intimidate ability has been useful to me, but sending Salamence out often means that it will be sacrificed.

About Special Attackers: no problem! Even though Milotic has no SDef EVs, it can still take most Special Attacks that are not Super Effective with relative ease. The same applies to Latias Scizor and Jirachi were able to take most Draco Meteors. Resistance (all Pokemon) and Special bulk (Latias, Milotic) do the trick.

The problem with this team, also something you and some of my opponents told me when talking about my team, was that it is hard to make changes. The team is good, but not #1 material, and it is hard to make changes: taking out one Pokemon ruins the team.

Jirachi and Latias just can't be taken out, they are too important. If someone has to be replaced, it should be Salamence. However, Salamence is needed for its wallbreaking. Making changes to this team is very hard.

You don't have to apologize for anything, and I appreciate your rate! I could not make a change to the team, but you gave me the drive to try getting higher on the leaderboard one more time. That is much more valuable than replacing a Pokemon or changing an attack.

EDIT: After two weeks of competitive activity, I decided to give it one more shot. My first battle of that last shot was an easy win.

Salavoir55
19th September 2011, 10:06 PM
Well, I'm glad I could be of some service.

AquaMilotic
19th September 2011, 11:25 PM
Well, I'm glad I could be of some service. Have fun, whatever happens!

Again, thanks for the rate! You are not of some service, you are of a lot of service!

It will take some time to get higher on the ladder, before you rated, I didn't play for some weeks, so I got down on the ladder.

I tried an old stall team of mine as well (someone on the ladder advised me to). However, that is not going well, I will use the team of this RMT again from now on. It was just an experiment to get more wins and to get higher on the leaderboard faster. However, stall just is not my style. I like this offensive team and it got me quite some wins. But I might try some of my older teams to see if that will be succesfull!