PDA

View Full Version : Best starter



MM13
23rd October 2005, 4:08 PM
Who is the strongest starter in silver

Cyndaquil, Totodile or Chikorita

Thanx in advance

edit by grem ok im gunna keep this thread open because it will prevent everybody doing the "omg whats your fave starter!!!1one!11shiftone!!" threads repeatedly.. so to save hassle we will only have the one :D

p.s. Cyndaquil > j00

king krab kingler
23rd October 2005, 4:12 PM
I voted chikorota as it is my favourite and it is very easy to raise,Meganium to me seems the strongest as it has good defence.It is either a toss up between feraligatr and meganium for best starter evolution,Feraligatr has good advantage against the Elite 4 as it can learn ice moves helping you defeat lance.

Mudkip3
23rd October 2005, 5:18 PM
I say Cyndaquil because it has good stats and can normally learn great moves. Chikorita is weak against many Gym Leaders and Totodile is not strong against any except Jasmine's Steelix and Pryce's Piloswine (I am only talking about Johto Gym Leaders). Cyndaquil is strong against all of Bugsy's team, the Magnemite in Jasmine's, and Pryce's Piloswine. Not much, but it still is more.

Finnmonster
23rd October 2005, 5:28 PM
I have always chosen Chikorita, but I vote Cyndaquil. Fire-types are easy to handle and they can learn strong moves quite fast.

Tazzler
23rd October 2005, 6:15 PM
Typhlosion. Meganium sucks offensively and feraligatr doesn't have that good of special attack to use ice attacks efficeiently especially ice punch gainst a dragonite in g/s/c.

~Eon-Ryuu~
23rd October 2005, 6:54 PM
Cyndaquil. Even though I chose Chikorita, Cyndaquil is just a bit better.

Black Marauder
23rd October 2005, 7:05 PM
Umm DOH Chikorita r0xorz m3h p4ntz

2kool4skool
24th October 2005, 2:57 AM
Typhlosion really rocks but you spelled Cyndaquil wrong in your poll, but you probably already knew that.

edit: dont swear :(

Double-Edge
24th October 2005, 4:36 AM
Chikorita all the way

Cyndaquil doesnt learn Flamethrower (its only decent level up move) till level 65, and the Elite 4 own it

Totodile is just plain horrible, learning nothing of value, and like the Cynda line, relies on TMs/HMs to have a decent move pool

Wooster
24th October 2005, 5:58 AM
I dunno... I kinda looked at this thread as which poke will do the best over all choice for building a team...

and it seems to me that chikorita has the lowest potential... as its best moves are reflect and lightscreen the sort... and it doesn't even learn sleep powder... a grass poke like Jumpluff or Victreebel (both can be captured early game) would be a far better investment on a team cause they can both beat meg 1 vs 1 and have other advantages... both have sleep powder, and victreebel has poison stab for the powerfull TM Sludge bomb and breedable or trade backable SD, while Jumpluff has speed and can be bred encore. While the best Meganium can do is leech seed... ok it can be bred Ancient power.. or it can try to sunny beam synth... but thats just asking to get torched by a flamethrower, and than that sun is hurting your team as you try to counter the massive fire attacks... and if you wanna be diffrent.. I gues you could breed ancient power onto chicorita... but even that doesn't do much good. added to that chicorita gets pwned by the first bunch of gym leaders...

Tododile, though cool is really only cool for his attack stat... which is kinda lame... but good for a water not named gyrados. his stats may be in the wrong places, but he has some potential, and can be bred a swords dance... but TMs are necissary to give the gator some advantages... But... alas... water pokemon like suicune are infinitly stronger. and Even Quagsire is a better bet on a team... because it can get stab EQ. and curse and that nice Electric immunity. so though ferligator is interesting. it is not the best choice for a team. The only thing Ferligator has over Gyarados is Swords Dance... and gyarados's has no useable stab... unless... you're hard core and breed magikarps untill they get power 70 HP fly... but thats annoying to pull...


Cyndaquil is prolly the best... because of all the starters Typhlosion actually has both its stats in the right spots and a decent (though not great) move pool... speed and Special attack. and can pick up thunderpunch via a renewable TM. Awsome. And you can learn flamethrower before level 65... its called not evolving cyndaquil untill it learns it... eh? So as a powerfull fire type, Typhlosion is one of the only ones who can actually fit onto a team without a better pokemon overshadowing him... Charizard is really on par with Typhlosion, so which you use depends on A)who will fit better in your team and B) do you have a RBY game to trade back Zard in the first place. Also, Ty and Arcanine are very different pokemon. one curses and extremespeeds with flamethrower or fire blast to scare off skarm, while the other just slams stuff with a massive special attack stat and good speed.

So in conclusion, of all the starters, really only typhlosion should have a spot on a regular team... becuase all the others tend to be over shadowed

Altmer
24th October 2005, 8:46 AM
Actually Meganium can learn swords dance too. AND earthquake.

Besides stalling is also pretty good on GSC teams, meganium hard to take down.

Feraligatr just sucks imo.

edit: dont swear

MM13
25th October 2005, 11:04 PM
im choosing Cyndaquil. this can be close now.

p.s. thanx every1

new001
26th October 2005, 1:28 AM
totodile
wait, you already made your choice
never mind

Beatle
27th October 2005, 10:14 PM
Cynadquil because when it evolves to typhlosion is has an amazing moveset and its stats are pretty good..

kidumbreon
1st November 2005, 3:25 AM
yup yup cyndaquil owns fo sho!!

SapphireL
2nd November 2005, 5:08 AM
eeeek!! TOTODILE!!! That's mah ALL TIME FAVORITE STARTER EVER. ^-^

I mean, Water types are kinda hard to get at the beginning of the game, and Totodile does really well in the gyms imo.

PokePaladin
2nd November 2005, 11:04 AM
Cyndaquil is the best one, and your great choice...
It's friggin' easy to train it and it owns the e4 at lv45 (atleast it did for me)

But, the Computer Players suck so the game can be beaten by a LV25 Raticate.
(Or could be with a skilled player...)

Angel-FoX-crescent
2nd November 2005, 11:33 AM
I like Cindaquil and Chikorita
but I would pick Cindaquil coz it evolves into Typhlosion.
But then again I breed pkmn to give the best moves so they have more potential in battle.

Nidogod
3rd November 2005, 10:53 PM
Typhlosion is very good, but in the ways of fire pokemon, he is very replacable. There isn't much of anything feraligatr has to boast. Meganium, like already mentioned, is a great staller. I'd stick with meganium. Save the fire slot for a nice houndoom or arcanine.

Flying Tropius
5th November 2005, 12:20 AM
I like cyndaquil line because it a cool pokemon (looks)

MetalMario
7th November 2005, 10:51 PM
Cyndaquil, because he's cute. Plain and simple. (although Meganium's definately the best shiny)

Altmer
8th November 2005, 3:21 PM
Typhlosion is very good, but in the ways of fire pokemon, he is very replacable. There isn't much of anything feraligatr has to boast. Meganium, like already mentioned, is a great staller. I'd stick with meganium. Save the fire slot for a nice houndoom or arcanine.

houndoom I'll agree on but Arcanine is inferior to Typhlosion in just about EVERY WAY with that movepool of his ;~;

Nidogod
9th November 2005, 3:19 AM
houndoom I'll agree on but Arcanine is inferior to Typhlosion in just about EVERY WAY with that movepool of his ;~;

Well you'd know much better than me. I don't battle much gsc anymore, but I remember really liking the curse/extremespeed combo on him. That's basically the only reason I mentioned him too.

Ford Sucks
9th November 2005, 5:42 AM
Err, out of those 3, Totodile, but the Kanto starters are much better.

Altmer
9th November 2005, 2:04 PM
I dislike curse/extremespeed because it only has 8 PP, besides Body slam para can give something like Starmie a big STFU get off my internet.

OzBlackman
11th November 2005, 4:16 PM
Totodile, he turns into a feraligator. IMO he makes the game easy though.

12chewy34
11th November 2005, 5:44 PM
i have always took totdile because he is one of my favorites and the other reason is for that he is water!

Obiwan Shinobi
11th November 2005, 5:48 PM
I honestly don't think the Totodile line is good, my Feraligater has 161 Attack, and 128 Sp. Attack. Thats kinda scrwed up.

12chewy34
11th November 2005, 5:50 PM
hes just my favorite type so thats why i like him :o

deoxys_attack_mode
11th November 2005, 6:45 PM
Feraligatr is SUPPOSED to have a higher attack than SpA. Anyways, I vote Cyndaquil. It has the advantage over the first 2 gyms, Sprout Tower, and most of the pokemon in Ilex Forest.

Axel
11th November 2005, 8:48 PM
I believe that Cyndaquil is the best. It learns moves quickly, and its stats aren't that bad either. Totodile is an okay starter, but I don't believe it's the best choice for a beginner. Chikorita though, is the worst choice in my opinion. It lacks offensive moves, does poorly in the gyms, and in general is the worst choice, especially for a beginning player.

Cyndaquil is the best in my opinion.

Kasaioni
13th November 2005, 9:00 PM
hello cyndalquil because it can learn THUNDERPUNCH by TM !!!!

Flame Sabre
15th November 2005, 5:57 AM
IMO none of them even come close to either of the Kanto starters, but still I guess Typhlosion is the best, so my vote goes to Cyndaquil.

Blastoise King
15th November 2005, 6:40 AM
okay first of all the kanto starters are pretty bad i mean the only half decent one is venusaur. now i like totodile just becauseim a water starter man but in truth the one with the most potential is chikorita being the GSC metagame is just one big stall war and Meganium is the perfect tank.

and to all you people who just say it looks good or its your favorite with no facts to back up its strength dont say anything as it being your favorite means nothing

TyraniRay
15th November 2005, 9:32 AM
Would you prefer to battle with a Pokemon you hate, or one you like, when both of their combined base stars are alomost perfectly equal? You don't need facts to back up something as your favourite.

As for me, I like them all equally, but I used to hate Feraligatr before I trained one. Mind you, all their level up moves are pretty crappy. Meganium learns (before E4) Body Slam and Razor Leaf, Typhlosion has Swift and er... Ember, Feraligatr has Slash and Bite if you think that is decent. They all have their uses, very obvious uses as well, but not the most effective things in the pot.

They all look sweet though, which is big plus for someone who is getting sick of looking at the back of Octillary or something. Not that that matters to some people, but it does to most. Cyndaquil provides the first Fire type until either Growlithe, Magby of Magmar, depending which version you are playing and how lucky you are. Totodile is the first until either Goldeen and Magikarp, both of which generally suck (until it's a Gyrados). But there's Poliwag on Crystal. Meganium is the first before Bellsprout, which isn't much seeing that you get that near the start anyway (or Hoppip on Crystal).

It's all down to a matter of taste or need really, none is much better than the others.

Kasaioni
15th November 2005, 1:21 PM
if you get cyndaquil and it evolves intio typhosion teach it the TM Thunderpunch, then it could beat a feraligater easaly

Blastoise King
16th November 2005, 6:41 AM
Would you prefer to battle with a Pokemon you hate, or one you like, when both of their combined base stars are alomost perfectly equal? You don't need facts to back up something as your favourite.


looks do not determine strength. and btw the johto starters are in no way equal. eachs prefered sets are quite different.

Altmer
16th November 2005, 11:51 AM
Meganium is simply a defensive Pokemon. If you can play defensively, you will love Meganium.

.TraX.
16th November 2005, 12:13 PM
While I'd put myself on record for loving meganium in online battling due to it's versatility I'm a big fan of typhlosion in game.

Thunderpunch and Flame Wheel allow for alot of easily attained versatility.

Jimmy Kudo
16th November 2005, 2:50 PM
I choose Cyndaquil, to me it doesnt matter i traded both a totadile and Chikorita into My Silver so that wa i have all three.

Altmer
16th November 2005, 3:00 PM
While I'd put myself on record for loving meganium in online battling due to it's versatility I'm a big fan of typhlosion in game.

Thunderpunch and Flame Wheel allow for alot of easily attained versatility.

posting to say that I confirm that meganium use, and that he should stop abusing Counter ;O

.TraX.
17th November 2005, 1:59 AM
posting to say that I confirm that meganium use, and that he should stop abusing Counter ;O

I'm very nice to my counter, it's well fed and looked after :)

Altmer
17th November 2005, 5:50 PM
very tempted to mention 'suicidal tendencies' here.

on-topic: I have the idea that it's better to trade over Kanto starters because somehow I feel that the GSC starters suck ;-;

The Burnt Shadow
18th November 2005, 12:29 PM
Cyndaquil is powerful especially when it evolves and once you teach it thunder punch, fire punch, flamethrower and something else...

Shadowcat
18th November 2005, 12:41 PM
Chikorita. I prefer it's types and moves, and it doesn't really need to rely on so much TMs like the other starters.

Meganium:
Sunny Day
Solarbeam
Synthesis
Earthquake

That's okay for Meganium. I easily replace fire types with Arcanine/Ninetales. Water types are either Corsola or Lanturn. Electric attacks or Rock attacks is a bonus.

Altmer
18th November 2005, 8:41 PM
Chikorita. I prefer it's types and moves, and it doesn't really need to rely on so much TMs like the other starters.

Meganium:
Sunny Day
Solarbeam
Synthesis
Earthquake

That's okay for Meganium. I easily replace fire types with Arcanine/Ninetales. Water types are either Corsola or Lanturn. Electric attacks or Rock attacks is a bonus.

meganium doesn't have the speed or offensive power to really pull sunnybeaming off imo

Dark Venusaur
20th November 2005, 8:17 PM
I always liked Totodile all the time

CoolTrainerTerry
20th November 2005, 8:21 PM
I say Totdile, 'cause that's the starter I chose, and mine is really powerful.

Hukuzo
20th November 2005, 8:24 PM
Totodile. Cindaquil and Chikarita are ugly and weak. Totodile is probably the strongest starter out of the nine starters.

Obiwan Shinobi
20th November 2005, 9:09 PM
Totodile has misplaced stats IMO.

Kasaioni
23rd November 2005, 11:37 PM
I wish Typhlosion could learn Ice punch since it can already learn Thunderpunch, if it could than it would pwn against dragon typs...

Kasaioni
25th November 2005, 1:24 AM
^ Exactly my point!
|

pik achoo
29th November 2005, 12:41 AM
I always choose the water one.

GoldenWing
29th November 2005, 2:14 AM
Cyndaquil Is the Best Starter to me

TOY MACHINE
29th November 2005, 2:14 AM
cyndaquil best stats

Obiwan Shinobi
29th November 2005, 2:29 AM
Um, ok, just because thyphlosion can learn thunderpunch doesnt mean it's go great, ground resists 'em both.

Fergaligaters stats are misplaced.

Meganium is imo the best.

.TraX.
29th November 2005, 7:27 AM
Um, ok, just because thyphlosion can learn thunderpunch doesnt mean it's go great, ground resists 'em both.

So what, its not hard to obtain better Grass types than Meganium and better Water types than Feraligatr neither of them have much in terms of any weakness covering moves.

Typhlosion can at least cover most weaknesses except Ground.

Altmer
29th November 2005, 3:29 PM
not to mention you can use hp grass and ice on netbattle and ground types don't resist fire. earthquake bangs up rock types pretty bad.

skiboydoggy
29th November 2005, 6:37 PM
Totodile, because it is the most versatile amongst the three starters.
Despite the misplaced stats, it does very well with its Surf attack due to STAB, and besides, everyone loves Gyrados.
Also, the only other choice around is Poliwag, which has Hypnosis, but has stats that go even more terribly misplaced.

Typhlosion and Meganium, while good, tend to get owned by their Kanto counterparts ingame.
Charizard learns Flamthrower at 34 and gets Steel Claw early.
Typhlosion just has nothing much to speak of in terms of movepool apart from Thunderpunch.
So with their exact same stats, I go with Charizard.

And... Venusaur just... Owns Meganium.

Altmer
29th November 2005, 7:01 PM
Totodile, because it is the most versatile amongst the three starters.
Despite the misplaced stats, it does very well with its Surf attack due to STAB, and besides, everyone loves Gyrados.
Also, the only other choice around is Poliwag, which has Hypnosis, but has stats that go even more terribly misplaced.

Typhlosion and Meganium, while good, tend to get owned by their Kanto counterparts ingame.
Charizard learns Flamthrower at 34 and gets Steel Claw early.
Typhlosion just has nothing much to speak of in terms of movepool apart from Thunderpunch.
So with their exact same stats, I go with Charizard.

And... Venusaur just... Owns Meganium.

gyarados sucks in gsc. Poliwrath isn't really good either. I'd pick Lapras or Starmie or Lanturn.

also I'd use Fire Blast long before I'd use flamethrower and metal claw just sucks. ._.

Meganium is a better staller due to eq resist, but Venusaur can sweep better. But then again Victreebel is a better sweeper.

so Venusaur is a jack of all trades and Meganium is a specialised stallmachine.

skiboydoggy
29th November 2005, 7:12 PM
There is something wrong if you honestly believe Fire Blast > Flamethrower.
Also, I am not saying the Metal Claw owns, it is just a reasonable replacement until you get Earthquake/Brick Break/Just about any other move to counter Rock, which in all honestly is Charizard's worst enemy many times over.
Victrebell is the better sweeper, Shuckle is a far superior staller. It is pretty clear over here how the grass Pokemon are supremely easily replaced.
As for the water types, while Lanturn, Lapras, and Starmie are no doubt better Special sweepers, versatility is what I look for in my starter, that, and the ability to overcome weaknesses.
Feraligatr gets Ice Punch/Beam and Earthquake, so add in Surf and we are just about set.

(Random rant: ZOMG! Gyrados does not suck, Trash and Flail pulled me through more times than I can count.)

Altmer
29th November 2005, 7:18 PM
There is something wrong if you honestly believe Fire Blast > Flamethrower.
Also, I am not saying the Metal Claw owns, it is just a reasonable replacement until you get Earthquake/Brick Break/Just about any other move to counter Rock, which in all honestly is Charizard's worst enemy many times over.
Victrebell is the better sweeper, Shuckle is a far superior staller. It is pretty clear over here how the grass Pokemon are supremely easily replaced.
As for the water types, while Lanturn, Lapras, and Starmie are no doubt better Special sweepers, versatility is what I look for in my starter, that, and the ability to overcome weaknesses.
Feraligatr gets Ice Punch/Beam and Earthquake, so add in Surf and we are just about set.

(Random rant: ZOMG! Gyrados does not suck, Trash and Flail pulled me through more times than I can count.)


Thrash lol. Gyarados's stats are completely misplaced. what is surf going to hurt from 60 base sp. atk?

Fire Blast indeed owns flamethrower. The power is usually more important for those that use Fire Blast, and in general PP is never run out of. There was a whole discussion on this. Fire Blast DOES own Flamethrower. I am not wrong. In fact it's the other way around in 90% of the cases.

Shuckle is not a grass type and the worst staller with that HP. Pokemon trainer sent out WATER TYPE! or a steel type. come on, what is shuckle going to do? Rollout? =/

Last time I checked special sweepers need versatility or they just suck at sweeping. Feraligatr =/= special sweeper, it's a physical sweeper with that attack and curse.

Brick Break is not a GSC move.

skiboydoggy
29th November 2005, 8:39 PM
Granted Brick Break is not GSC, but I am merely trying to make a point here.
Also, you seem to have completely misunderstood my point.


As for the water types, while Lanturn, Lapras, and Starmie are no doubt better Special sweepers, versatility is what I look for in my starter, that, and the ability to overcome weaknesses.

What I said here, in bright as day English, is that Lapras, Lanturn and Starmie are better Sp. Sweepers.
However, where my starters are concerned, I concern myself with versatility and weakness coverage than specialisation.
Besides, where in blue hell did I say that Feraligatr was a sweeper? I said it was a perfectly well rounded Pokemon, which matched up to or downright defeats its Kanto counterpart.

Excuse me for getting my typing wrong, but Shuckle is still a brillint staller. It can take attacks very nicely, with the damage rarely hitting anywhere past two digits. Which when all considered, is pretty darn good, with Rest, it basically cannot die unless it is facing a weakness.

Thunder > Thunderbolt
Fire Blast < Flamethrower
Why? Accuracy. I face a Fire Blaster, gimme two Double Teams and I watch you cry.
Whereas you get that all important Rain Dance boost to Thunder.
However, this is not a 95/100 vs 120/75 thread.

Now, now that I have finished countering most of the statements that I care about, I shall continue in my defense of Feraligatr.
With decent stats all round, an easily TM controlled movelist, and the fact that it is after all, an Alligator, which is far cooler than any badger or brachiosaur will ever be, I daresay Feraligatr pwns both of the above.

Altmer
29th November 2005, 9:06 PM
Granted Brick Break is not GSC, but I am merely trying to make a point here.
Also, you seem to have completely misunderstood my point.



What I said here, in bright as day English, is that Lapras, Lanturn and Starmie are better Sp. Sweepers.
However, where my starters are concerned, I concern myself with versatility and weakness coverage than specialisation.
Besides, where in blue hell did I say that Feraligatr was a sweeper? I said it was a perfectly well rounded Pokemon, which matched up to or downright defeats its Kanto counterpart.

You didn't, that's simply what its stats make it. Starmie/Lanturn/Lapras are only sweepers BECAUSE THEY CAN COVER THEIR WEAKNESSES AND ARE VERSATILE. A Lapras without Thunderbolt is a useless Lapras, otherwise Water pokemon just wall it. Versatility and weakness coverage go together. Besides, what does Feraligatr cover? Ice beam for grass types? With that special attack it isn't hurting Meganium and friends anytime soon. They will sleep you, recover, then own the **** out of you.

Excuse me for getting my typing wrong, but Shuckle is still a brillint staller. It can take attacks very nicely, with the damage rarely hitting anywhere past two digits. Which when all considered, is pretty darn good, with Rest, it basically cannot die unless it is facing a weakness.

NO SUCH THING AS LEECH SEED RIGHT? It can take what attacks easy? Normal attacks maybe... also there is this thing called switching, have you ever heard of that. Shuckle doesn't hurt anything and as soon as cune enters you're dead. Staller what?

Thunder > Thunderbolt
Fire Blast < Flamethrower
Why? Accuracy. I face a Fire Blaster, gimme two Double Teams and I watch you cry.
Whereas you get that all important Rain Dance boost to Thunder.
However, this is not a 95/100 vs 120/75 thread.

Double Team = gayest move ever. Double team is pure luck. What if you double team and I do hit you? You're ****ed, right? Thunderbolt just RULES thunder unless you're thunderdancing, which I don't recommend because electric types don't have the staying power to dance up. Rain dance, counter comes in OH WOW I CAN'T DO ANYTHING! YAY FOR USELESS THUNDER!. Tbolt hits things. Fire blast, as I already said, has more power which fire pokemon NEED. Thunderbolt has 95 base power. Thunderbolt has 100 accuracy. I don't know where you get your information from, but you suck in your defense, it's clear as hell.

Now, now that I have finished countering most of the statements that I care about, I shall continue in my defense of Feraligatr.
With decent stats all round, an easily TM controlled movelist, and the fact that it is after all, an Alligator, which is far cooler than any badger or brachiosaur will ever be, I daresay Feraligatr pwns both of the above.

Coolness factor =/= battling ability. Though i'll grant you that, he does look badass. But Typhlosion looks more badass.


O RLY?

flawed as hell counter.

.TraX.
30th November 2005, 1:20 AM
Thunder > Thunderbolt
Fire Blast < Flamethrower

********.

I recall mathmatically PROVING Fire Blast had better average damage than Flamethrower ignoring PP (note: if you use all your PP on your fire attack either you or the opposition SUCKS), and as double team is a LINEAR loss of accuracy Fire Blast will STILL be > Flamethrower even if the enemy DOES have 6x Double Teams on.

Only a couple of electrics can carry off the Thunder+Rain Dance combo, Raichu can do it and so can Lanturn because they get solid water attacks also - problem is thier spatks suck.

Team Rocket Admin
30th November 2005, 3:54 AM
Out of the Johto starters, Totodile. He's my 2nd favorite starter after Charmander.

Altmer
30th November 2005, 4:23 PM
********.

I recall mathmatically PROVING Fire Blast had better average damage than Flamethrower ignoring PP (note: if you use all your PP on your fire attack either you or the opposition SUCKS), and as double team is a LINEAR loss of accuracy Fire Blast will STILL be > Flamethrower even if the enemy DOES have 6x Double Teams on.

Only a couple of electrics can carry off the Thunder+Rain Dance combo, Raichu can do it and so can Lanturn because they get solid water attacks also - problem is thier spatks suck.

Actually Raichu has decent sp. atk. Lanturn's sp. atk does suck.

Edit: Max 278. That's above average special attack.

Lanturn has...250 max sp. atk. Well, neither really suck, so they could do with the boost.

dark scyther
30th November 2005, 5:51 PM
Actually Raichu has decent sp. atk. Lanturn's sp. atk does suck.

Edit: Max 278. That's above average special attack.

Lanturn has...250 max sp. atk. Well, neither really suck, so they could do with the boost.
Pikachu@light ball?

Altmer
30th November 2005, 6:52 PM
Pikachu@light ball?

yep, but he is included in the Raichu line.

Guy
3rd December 2005, 2:26 AM
I like cyndaquil line because it a cool pokemon (looks)same here. ;155;

BlueBeauty
7th December 2005, 10:02 PM
I Love Totodile. Its my favorite line of pokemon other than the Dratini line and Skarmory. It makes me sad that most of you people before me were dissin' Totodile... It doesn't have to be that powerful. Plus, my level 100 Feraligatr[that i traded from crystal to silver back to crystal] with Rest, Surf, Ice Beam, and Crunch got thru the game just fine.

ShadowAlakazam
12th December 2005, 2:48 AM
Typhlosion is the best since he has great special attack for fire attacks. Feraligatr only has a lousy special attack for surf/ice beam. Meganium's has decent defenses, but a fire attack will make quick work of it and a flying attack will probably leave it low health.

lightspeed
12th December 2005, 6:37 PM
I would say Cyndaquil, Typhlosion has very good special attack and speed and it looks very cool.

poke_life
12th December 2005, 9:41 PM
Id have to say Cyndaquil, very easy to start with

Wert_the_Wolf
30th December 2005, 4:59 PM
Yeah, even though i started with the water starter on like...every other game, i just dont like Feraligator, or any of its pre-evolutions...so i chose Cyndiquil.

Air Dragon
31st December 2005, 8:36 AM
Hmm, Cyndaquil's my all time favourite., when i played Gold for the first time, i owned Lance by using Typhlosion's Rollout on all his Pokemon (except Gyarados of course!) When i played it the second time though, i chose Chikorita. It's easy to raise and i like a challenge.
P.S. Totodile's cute too. ibear no grudge against him!

-:Buro-kun Tsubasa:-
31st December 2005, 9:04 AM
I like Chikorita why? *Pokes sig and Avy* MEGANIUM!
I selected the wrong one! Damn you Cyndaquil!

#1 Poke Fan
1st January 2006, 3:18 AM
Go Cyndaquil, I usually choose Chikorita but Cyndaquil is way easier to raise.

~Flareon~
1st January 2006, 9:44 AM
I vote for Cyndaquil, of course.

MayRules
1st January 2006, 3:35 PM
Totodile, it looks cool, is one of my favourite pokemon and Feraligatr is a strong pokemon.

Mew Two
1st January 2006, 9:36 PM
cyndaquil because Typhosin is stronger and can learn earthqauke so it takes care of other fire pokemon.

+Chaos Blade+
5th January 2006, 1:14 AM
I believe that Meganium is the strongest starter. It is very versatile, and although it doesn't learn many offensive attacks, it's a pretty powerful Pokemon with great Defenses that can stall an opponent until they go nuts. In my [in-]game, using Toxic and Razor Leaf was serious carnage for my opponents, as they had nothing to do to switch out - as I would toxicate their next party member with Toxic and Razor Leaf them repeteadly.

Xeno
5th January 2006, 2:21 AM
I like Totodile, because he owns the gyms. Cyndaquil falls flat against Falconers Mud Slap, is crushed by Whitney's Rollout, and its fire attacks dont work well on Claire. Chikorita is flat out a tough starter. Totodile has no real weaknesses at the beginning of the game. It does good on Morty with Bite, and can have an edge on Jasmine's Steelix. It is defensive against Prices ice attacks, and teaching it Ice Punch can pulverize Claire.

Hemp Man
5th January 2006, 3:42 AM
lol use ice punch and waste 105 base attack Rock Slide :(

Thypholosion can use thunderpunch for the birds anyway

Vampiryyn
7th January 2006, 12:51 AM
Cyndaquil is definitely the strongest, but personally I think Chikorita is the cutest. ^_^ I've kept my Chikorita, Chikuru, from evolving for ages, because I just can't give up his cuteness. He battles wonderfully anyway.

Ben Kenobi
7th January 2006, 2:54 PM
My favourite is Chikorita. I always chose Chikorita as my starter. It is harder at the beginning of the game but pays off eventually.

Zodiac
7th January 2006, 7:03 PM
I prefer Chikorita! Chikorita is easy to raise, strong and beautiful. It's one of the few grass-group which learn Body Slam! :)

I used to get Cyndaquil, but I got bored. But until now, I choose Chikorita mostly as my grass-type pokemon in my team! ^^

Flame Haze SnS
7th January 2006, 11:49 PM
Personally, I think Cyndaquil is the best starter of Johto region.

Char1016
8th January 2006, 8:54 PM
I think that Cyndaquil is the best, when evolved for the second time, his moves can kill everything.
1.Earthquake
2.Flamethrower
3.Thunderpunch
4.Icepunch
Cool moveset.

Hemp Man
10th January 2006, 4:08 AM
it doesnt learn icepunvh.

Angeling
10th January 2006, 5:09 AM
Though I haven't played the Johto games (GSC), I would have to say.. Chikorita for me. I don't know, but just something about it appeals to me. Maybe it's because it's Grass and I always seem to choose Grass starters. *shrug*

That's my genuine answer actually.

Champion Shade
10th January 2006, 12:20 PM
I kinda have the same reason as Kyukon. I always choose Grass Pokemon normally. I think Chikorita is the best. I think the only time you really have much of a problem with her is when your facing Falkner.

Altmer
10th January 2006, 4:22 PM
the biggest problem I have with using Chikorita is it doesn't hit as hard as either of the other two ;-;

Also typhy doesn't learn ice punch sadly

Sneasel
11th January 2006, 3:24 AM
I know Cyndaquil might be better, but I chose Chikorita because it my favourite out of the three. It also learns some pretty powerful grass type moves.

intergalactic platypus
14th January 2006, 7:45 PM
Chikorita. I'm more of a defensive person so I prefer a pokemon that can take a hit like Meganium

charizard trainer #1
26th January 2006, 9:28 AM
I kinda have the same reason as Kyukon. I always choose Grass Pokemon normally. I think Chikorita is the best. I think the only time you really have much of a problem with her is when your facing Falkner.

With Chikorita I had trouble in the cave that allows you to go to Kanto, or was it elite four... I don't remember why though. I believe you play your rival maybe...

Anyway i found Cyndiquil and Tododile to be easy to use... voted for cyndiquil

Clockwork Ninja
26th January 2006, 4:53 PM
Chikorita, because I like pokemon who don't die in 1 hit.

MM13
27th January 2006, 2:29 AM
well since a lot of people have different opinion. i decides to train all three of them which currently i own. thanx everyone

~Pikablu~

Luxuria
27th January 2006, 4:42 PM
Meh......I don't know. I currently have Feraligatr and it seems like a pretty good choice IMO.
It can learn Irontail but I'm not sure about the others. So yeah...totodile.

Foxbatty
27th January 2006, 5:23 PM
cyndaquil, cyndaquil and cyndaquil

NEVER picked any other starter --> if you have silver, typhlosion and lugia will smash through the elite 4

Dragetre
29th January 2006, 1:52 AM
I'd go w/ Cyndaquil. If I started w/ any other it would be Totodile; but I think Cyndaquil is a great choice because at the start of the game you can catch a Bellsprout and a Poliwag, which adds grass and water onto your team if you want. You can't just go at the start of the game and get a wild fire-type pokemon.

-Dragetre. ;249-d;

chris_downunder
29th January 2006, 7:34 AM
i always take chikorita and catch a growlithe and poliwag, growlithe is found up past the ruins.

Angelic Elf Ivy
29th January 2006, 4:36 PM
I'd have to say Cyndaquil. It's a fire type so you won't have a dissavantage for like five or six gyms. Also like Dragetre said you can catch Poliwag and Bellsprout at the beginning so it's really uneeded to go with Chikorita or Totodile as your starter.