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Shining Mew
12th June 2005, 1:33 PM
Yes this is pretty much the exact same thing in Ru/Sa forum but after a few requests.. Im making it in here as well. Whee.

New and improved Egg Move Chains Thread!

Things concerning this thread/credit:
-Aceleader did about 80% of Kanto, and I went back and did a lot of corrections oO
-I did all of Johto
-Fro-Dizzy and I split Hoenn
-I made the Ru/Sa Pokemon Breeding Information thing
-The list is split into Kanto, Johto, and Hoenn. The Pokemon are listed in their respective regions
-Look for the lowest form of the Pokemon for the egg moves. There is an exception though, as Azuril and Marill have different egg moves.
-Moves that have ***** as their chain indicates that there is no way to get the move according to the SPP dex, although it is listed as an egg move there
-If there is an evolved form in the breeding paths, it means that you have to breed with the evo. because earlier forms do not learn the move
-If you see any errors, point them out please ^^

I spent sooooo much time putting this together … ::twitches::


^^



Ru/Sa Pokemon Breeding: The Basics

Commonly Known Info:
When you leave two Pokemon at the Daycare, there is the possibility that an egg will be produced under certain conditions. The egg will hatch as the lowest evolution of the Female parent and will always be at Lvl 5. For example, a Female Sceptile and Male Vileplume will produce a Treecko at Lvl 5. Obviously, one Pokemon must be Male and the other Female to breed, and show some kid of interest in each other. When left at the Daycare, ask the man outside to check their interest. If they show an interest, an egg will be produced.

You can breed a son with its mother, or a daughter with the father. A message that says that the Pokemon have no interest in each other appears when the two are not in the same egg/breeding group, or are both males/females. Some Pokemon as you know do not produce eggs at all, and are either genderless, "baby" Pokemon or Legends.

Breeding Examples

Sceptile Male + Salamence Female= Bagon
Mudkip Male + Whismur Female= Whismur
Voltorb + Pikachu Female= Nothing, Voltorb cant breed
Blaziken Male + Hariyama Female= Nothing, not in the same group

Too see if two Pokemon are compatible, just simply look at their 'dex entry here on the site at the egg groups theyre in. http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/

Simple so far huh? :P

The Types of Moves
There are three types of moves that a baby Pokemon can start off with, and these are Learned, Inherited, and Heriditary.

Learned Moves: These are moves that Pokemon would start with if it was caught in the wild at Lvl 5.
Inherited Moves: Moves or TMs that Pokemon would normally learn later in 'life' or by leveling that form up. These are inherited from the father/Male Pokemon ONLY.
Hereditary Moves: These are also known as Egg Moves. These are ONLY inherited from the father also. These are moves the Pokemon would not normally learn. Normally, the most egg moves a Pokemon can learn is eight.

How It Works
When the Pokemon hatches from the egg, it starts with the moves the wild Pokemon of the same level would know (Learned Moves) . For example, (I'll be using the Treecko line for all the examples) a newly hatched Treecko would have Pound and Leer while a newly hatched Bagon would have Rage. The remaining spaces are for Inherited and Egg moves.

Now, don't get mad if the Pokemon has to many Learned Moves. Inherited and Egg moves take priority over them, and if the Pokemon has 2 Learned Moves and has the possiblity of learning 3 Egg/Inherited moves, the forst move on the list will be erased and replaced by on of the three.

Example
Treecko with Pound and Leer with the chance of getting Solar Beam, Sunny Day, and Dragonbreath from the Father Sceptile. It would hatch with Leer, Solar Beam, Sunny Day, and Dragonbreath.

If both Male and female Pokmeon used in the breeding know a move that the baby would learn later if life, then the baby will have the move. For example, two Sceptile with Slam will have a baby with Slam. This can create baby Pokemon with powerful moves that they would get much later through training.

If the Male Pokemon knows a TM that the baby can have, the baby will hatch with it. This lets you 'reuse' your TMs in a way by breeding them to other Pokemon.

And last but not least, the annoying Egg Moves. In Ru/Sa, breeding for Egg moves is a lot easier as you cant trade with any games (yet) so you're stuck with the Pokemon in the games, and the few from Colosseum. This makes breeding chains one or two steps long, but rarer moves take a few more. To breed for Egg Moves, find a compatible Male Pokemon who can learn the desired egg move(s) and then breed it with the Female version of the desired Pokemon. Often, the Pokemon who learns the desired move can't breed with the desired Pokemon. For this, you need a Pokemon who can act as an intermediate to connect them. Breed the two Pokemon until you get a Male baby and then breed it with the Female form of the desired Pokemon.

Example
Treecko with Crush Claw

Male Zangoose(Pokemon who learns the desired move) breeds with Female Rhyhorn/Ryhdon (Intermediate)

Their Male baby Rhyhorn should now breed with a Female Treecko/Grovyle/Sceptile and will have a baby Treecko with Crush Claw.

Waiting For The Pokemon Eggs
After you get the two compatible Pokemon and theyre in Daycare, you need to leave them alone and walk around. Breeding time is based on conditions. There are ways to make the Pokemon breed faster. First, breeding two of the same Pokemon (Sceptile with Grovyle) cuts down the time. Also, breed two Pokemon with different ID numbers. These you get from in-game trades, friends, Colosseum or another gamepack that you own. The more the Pokemon like each other, the quicker it takes to produce and egg. Use the Mach Bike when you walk back and forth, as it also depends of steps travled and Mach Bike doubles the steps you take and lets you walk faster. It should only take 10 minutes or less to get an egg.

And remember to have an empty slot in your party to take the egg before talking to the Daycare Man. And to hatch the eggs, you have to walk around with them for a certain amount of steps. To check the exact amount you need to take, look at their entry on the main site's 'dex again.



Kanto

Bulbasaur
1. Charm: Skitty --> Shroomish --> Bulbasaur
2. Curse: Slowpoke --> Bulbasaur
3. Grasswhistle: Roselia --> Bulbasaur
4. Light Screen: Chikorita -->Bulbasaur
5. Magical Leaf: Roselia --> Bulbasaur
6. Petal Dance: Oddish --> Bulbasaur
7. Safeguard: Chikorita --> Bulbasaur
8. Skull Bash: Squirtle --> Bulbasaur

Charmander
1. Ancientpower: Omanyte/Corsola --> Totodile --> Charmander
2. Beat Up: Sneasel --> Ekans --> Charmander
3. Belly Drum: Snorlax --> Charmander
4. Bite: Ekans --> Charmander
5. Dragon Dance: Horsea --> Charmander
6. Outrage: Dratini --> Charmander
7. Rock Slide: Larvitar --> Charmander
8. Swords Dance: Absol --> Rhyhorn --> Charmander

Squirtle
1. Flail: Feebas --> Squirtle
2. Foresight: Mudkip --> Squirtle
3. Haze: Wooper --> Squirtle
4. Mirror Coat: Corsola --> Squirtle
5. Mist: Wooper --> Squirtle
6. Mud Sport: Wooper --> Squirtle
7. Refresh: Corsola --> Squirtle
8. Yawn: Wooper --> Squirtle

Caterpie
No egg moves.

Weedle
No egg moves.

Pidgey
1. Air Cutter: Zubat --> Pidgey
2. Faint Attack: Murkrow --> Pidgey
3. Foresight: Hoothoot --> Pidgey
4. Pursuit: Spearow --> Pidgey
5. Steel Wing: Skarmory --> Pidgey

Rattata
1. Bite: Ekans --> Rattata
2. Counter: Slakoth --> Rattata
3. Flame Wheel: Growlithe --> Rattata
4. Fury Swipes: Sandshrew --> Rattata
5. Reversal: Vigoroth --> Rattata
6. Screech: Ekans --> Rattata
7. Swagger: Meowth --> Rattata
8. Uproar: Vigoroth/Whismur --> Rattata

Spearow
1. Astonish: Zubat --> Spearow
2. Faint Attack: Murkrow --> Spearow
3. False Swipe: Farfetch’d --> Spearow
4. Quick Attack: Pidgey --> Spearow
5. Scary Face: Aerodactyl --> Spearow
6. Sky Attack: Altaria --> Spearow
7. Tri Attack: Doduo --> Spearow

Ekans
1. Beat Up: Sneasal-->Ekans
2. Poison Fang: Seviper-->Ekans
3. Pursuit: Treecjo-->Ekans
4. Slam: Treecko-->Ekans
5. Spite: Dunsparse-->Ekans

Sandshrew
1. Flail: Phanpy-->Sandshrew
2. Safeguard: Vulpix-->Sandshrew
3. Counter: Slakoth-->Sandshrew
4. Rapid Spin: Donphan-->Sandshrew
5. Rock Slide: Camerupt-->Sandshrew
6. Swords Dance: Absol-->Sandshrew
7. Crush Claw: Zangoose-->Sandshrew

Nidoran F
1. Beat Up: Sneasal-->Nidoran F
2. Charm: Snubull-->Nidoran F
3. Counter: Slakoth-->Nidoran F
4. Disable: Psyduck-->Nidoran F
5. Focus Energy: Nidoran M-->Nidoran F
6. Supersonic: Whismur-->Nidoran F
7. Take Down: Eevee/Snubull/Poochyena-->Nidoran F


Nidoran M
1. Beat Up: Sneasal-->Nidoran F-->Nidoran M
2. Charm: Snubull-->Nidoran F-->Nidoran M
3. Counter: Slakoth-->Nidoran F-->Nidoran M
4. Disable: Psyduck-->Nidoran F-->Nidoran M
5. Focus Energy: Nidoran M-->Nidoran M
6. Supersonic: Whismur-->Nidoran F-->Nidoran M
7. Take Down: Eevee/Snubull/Poochyena-->Nidoran F-->Nidoran M
*this dude is like Illumis and Volbeat. Im guessing that if the Female has the moves then maybe when the 2 Nidos breed the Male will get it. I dont know, I havent breed those two yet


Vulpix
1. Faint Attack: Spinda-->Vulpix
2. Hypnosis: Spinda-->Vulpix
3. Flail: Slakoth-->Vulpix
4. Disable: Psyduck-->Vulpix
5. Howl: Poochyena-->Vulpix
6. Psych Up: Psyduck-->Vulpix
7. Heatwave: Torkoal-->Vulpix

Zubat
1. Quick Attack: Taillow-->Zubat
2. Pursuit: Doduo-->Zubat

Oddish
1. Razor Leaf: Tropius-->Oddish
2. Flail: Magicarp-->Horsea-->Lotad-->Oddish
3. Synthesis: Tropius-->Oddish
4. Charm: Skitty-->Shroomish-->Oddish
5. Ingrain: Roselia-->Oddish

Paras
1. Counter: Heracross-->Paras
2. False Swipe: Scyther-->Paras
3. Flail: Feebas-->Lotad-->Paras
4. Light Screen: Chikorita-->Paras
5. Psybeam: Venonat-->Paras
6. Pursuit: Scyther-->Paras
7. Screech: Yanma-->Paras
8. Sweet Scent: Oddish-->Paras

Venonat
1. Baton Pass: Ledyba-->Venonat
2. Giga Drain: Paras-->Venonat
3. Screech: Yanma-->Venonat
4. Signal Beam: Volbeat-->Venonat

Diglett
1. Ancientpower: Kecleon-->Diglett
2. Beat Up: Sneasel-->Diglett
3. Faint Attack: Sneasel-->Diglett
4. Pursuit: Rattata-->Diglett
5. Rock Slide: Camerupt-->Diglett
6. Screech: Sneasel-->Diglett
7. Uproar: Vigoroth/Whismur-->Diglett

Meowth
1. Amnesia: Sentret-->Meowth
2. Assist: Skitty-->Meowth
3. Charm: Skitty-->Meowth
4. Hypnosis: Stantler-->Meowth
5. Psych Up: Psyduck-->Meowth
6. Spite: Dunsparse-->Meowth

Psyduck
1. Hypnosis: Spinda-->Psyduck
2. Psybeam: Spoink-->Psyduck
3. Foresight: Mudkip-->Psyduck
4. Light Screen: Pikachu-->Psyduck
5. Future Sight: Absol-->Psyduck
6. Psychic: Spoink-->Psyduck
7. Refresh: Milotic-->Psyduck

Mankey
1. Beat Up: Sneasel-->Mankey
2. Foresight: Hoothoot-->Farfetch’d-->Mankey
3. Counter: Slakoth-->Mankey
4. Meditate: *****
5. Revenge: *****
6. Reversal: Vigoroth-->Mankey
7. Rock Slide: Camerupt-->Mankey
8. Smellingsalt: Makuhita-->Spinda-->Mankey

Growlithe
1. Body Slam: Miltank-->Growlithe
2. Crunch: Houndour-->Growlithe
3. Fire Spin: Vulpix-->Growlithe
4. Heat Wave: Torkoal-->Growlithe
5. Howl: Poochyena/Houndour-->Growlithe
6. Safeguard: Vulpix-->Growlithe
7. Thrash: Tauros-->Growlithe

Poliwag
1. Bubblebeam: Marril-->Poliwag
2. Haze: Wooper-->Poliwag
3. Ice Ball: Spheal-->Poliwag
4. Mind Reader: Poliwrath-->Poliwag
5. Mist: Wooper-->Poliwag
6. Splash: Feebas-->Poliwag
7. Water Sport: Psyduck-->Poliwag

Abra
1. Encore: Illumise-->Abra
2. Knock Off: Makuhita-->Abra
3. Fire Punch: Medicham-->Abra
4. Thunderpunch: Medicham-->Abra
5. Ice Punch: Medicham-->Abra
*To get the punches on Medicham, go to the Move re-learner and exchange heart scales

Machop

1. Light Screen: Pikachu-->Spinda-->Machop
2. Meditate: Meditite-->Machop
3. Encore: Spheal-->Spinda-->Machop
4. Smellingsalt: Makuhita-->Machop
5. Counter: Breloom-->Cacnea-->Machop
6. Rock Slide: Camerupt-->Spinda-->Machop

Bellsprout
1. Encore: Clefairy --> Hoppip --> Bellsprout
2. Ingrain: Tangela --> Bellsprout
3. Leech Life: Paras-->Bellsprout
4. Magical Leaf: Roselia --> Bellsprout
5. Reflect: Exeggcute --> Bellsprout
6. Swords Dance: Move tutor
7. Synthesis: Hoppip --> Bellsprout

Tentacool
1. Mirror Coat: Corsola-->Tentacool
2. Confuse Ray: Lileep-->Tentacool

Geodude
1. Rockslide: Nosepass-->Geodude
2. Block: Nosepass-->Geodude

Ponyta
1. Charm: Snubull-->Ponyta
2. Double Kick: Nidoran M-->Ponyta
3. Double-Edge: Phanpy-->Ponyta
4. Flame Wheel: Growlithe-->Ponyta
5. Hypnosis: Stantler-->Ponyta
6. Thrash: Mankey/Tauros-->Ponyta

Slowpoke
1. Belly Drum: Poliwag-->Slowpoke
2. Future Sight: Absol-->Psyduck-->Slowpoke
3. Mud Sport: Mudkip-->Slowpoke
4. Safeguard: Seel-->Slowpoke
5. Sleep Talk: Snorlax-->Slowpoke
6. Snore: Snorlax-->Slowpoke
7. Stomp: Lickitung-->Slowpoke

Magnemite
No Egg Moves

Farfetch’d
1. Curse: Torkoal--> Farfetch’d
2. Featherdance: Pidgey-->Farfetch’d
3. Flail: Phanpy-->Farfetch’d
4. Foresight: Hoothoot-->Farfetch’d
5. Gust: Pidgey-->Farfetch’d
6. Mirror Move: Pidgey-->Farfetch’d
7. Quick Attack: Pidgey-->Farfetch’d
8. Steel Wing: Skarmory-->Farfetch’d

Doduo
1. Quick Attack: Taillow-->Doduo
2. Supersonic: Zubat-->Doduo
3. Haze: Zubat-->Doduo
4. Endeavor: Taillow-->Doduo

Seel
1. Disable: Psyduck-->Seel
2. Encore: Spheal-->Seel
3. Fake Out: Meowth-->Seel
4. Horn Drill: Rhyhorn-->Seel
5. Icicle Spear: Shellder-->Corsola-->Seel
6. Lick: Snubull-->Seel
7. Perish Song: Absol-->Seel
8. Slam: Sentret-->Seel

Grimer
1. Haze: Koffing-->Grimer
2. Mean Look: Duskull-->Grimer
3. Imprison: Ralts-->Grimer
4. Curse: Shuppet-->Grimer
5. Shadow Punch: Dusclops-->Grimer
6. Explosion: Koffing-->Grimer

Shellder
1. Barrier: Tentacool-->Shellder
2. Bubblebeam: Tentacool-->Shellder
3. Rapid Spin: Squirlte-->Kabuto-->Shellder
4. Screech: Tentacool-->Shellder
5. Take Down: Lanturn/Qwilfish-->Shellder

Gastly
1. Astonish: Misdreavus-->Gastly
2. Explosion: Koffing-->Gastly
3. Grudge: Koffing --> Gastly
4. Haze: Koffing-->Gastly
5. Perish Song: Misdreavus-->Gastly
6. Psywave: Misdreavus-->Gastly
7. Will-o-Wisp: Shuppet/Duskull-->Gastly

Onix
1. Block: Sudowoodo-->Onix
2. Explosion: Geodude-->Onix
3. Flail: Sudowoodo-->Onix
4. Rock Slide: Sudowoodo-->Onix

Drowzee
1. Assist: Skitty-->Spinda-->Drowzee
2. Barrier: Mr. Mime-->Drowzee
3. Fire Punch: Magmar-->Drowzee
4. Thunderpunch: Electabuzz-->Drowzee
5. Ice Punch: Jynx-->Electabuzz-->Drowzee
6. Role Play: Mr. Mime-->Electabuzz-->Drowzee

Krabby
1. Amnesia: Lileep-->Krabby
2. Dig: Diglett-->Wooper-->Corphish--> Krabby
3. Haze: Wooper-->Omanyte-->Krabby
4. Knock Off: Corphish-->Krabby
5. Swords Dance: Corphish-->Krabby

Voltorb
No Egg Moves

Exeggcute
1. Ancientpower: Corsola-->Totodile-->Chikorita-->Exeggcute
2. Curse: Slowpoke-->Bulbasaur-->Exeggcute
3. Ingrain: Tangela-->Exeggcute
4. Moonlight: Oddish-->Exeggcute
5. Psych Up: Psyduck/Spoink-->Skitty-->Hoppip-->Exeggcute
6. Synthesis: Bulbasaur-->Exeggcute

Cubone
1. Ancientpower: Corsola-->Totodile-->Cubone
2. Belly Drum: Snorlax-->Cubone
3. Perish Song: Lapras-->Cubone
4. Rock Slide: Larvitar-->Cubone
5. Screech: Lickitung-->Cubone
6. Skull Bash: Squirtle-->Cubone
7. Swords Dance: Zangoose-->Rhyhorn-->Cubone

Lickitung
1. Belly Drum: Snorlax-->Lickitung
2. Body Slam: Snorlax-->Lickitung
3. Curse: Slowbro-->Lickitung
4. Magnitude: Diglett-->Rhyhorn-->Lickitung
5. Sleep Talk: Snorlax-->Lickitung
6. Smellingsalt: Makuhita-->Spinda-->Whismur-->Lickitung
7. Snore: Snorlax-->Lickitung
8. Substitute: Kecleon-->Skitty-->Marril-->Lapras-->Lickitung

Koffing
1. Screech: Grimer-->Koffing
2. Psywave: Chimecho-->Koffing
3. Destiny Bond: Gastly-->Koffing
4. Will-o-Wisp: Shuppet-->Koffing

Rhyhorn
1. Crunch: Seviper-->Rhyhorn
2. Reversal: Vigoroth-->Rhyhorn
3. Rock Slide: Camerupt-->Rhyhorn
4. Counter: Slakoth-->Rhyhorn
5. Magnitude: Numel-->Rhyhorn
6. Swords Dance: Absol-->Rhyhorn
7. Curse: Torkoal-->Rhyhorn
8. Crush Claw: Zangoose-->Rhyhorn

Chansey
1. Aromatherapy: Roselia-->Chansey
2. Heal Bell: Skitty-->Chansey
3. Metronome: Clefairy-->Chansey
4. Present: Delibird-->Snubull-->Chansey
5. Substitute: Keckleon-->Skitty-->Chansey

Tangela
1. Amnesia: Slakoth-->Seedot-->Tangela
2. Confusion: Exeggcute-->Tangela
3. Flail: Feebas-->Lotad-->Tangela
4. Leech Seed: Bulbasaur-->Tangela
5. Nature Power: Lotad/Seedot-->Tangela
6. Reflect: Exeggcute-->Tangela

Kangaskhan
1. Counter: Slakoth-->Rhyhorn-->Kangaskhan
2. Crush Claw: Zangoose-->Rhyhorn-->Kangaskhan
3. Disable: Lickitung-->Kangaskhan
4. Focus Energy: Nidoran M-->Kangaskhan
5. Foresight: Mudkip-->Kangaskhan
6. Safeguard: Lapras-->Kangaskhan
7. Stomp: Rhyhorn-->Kangaskhan
8. Substitute: Kecleon-->Skitty-->Marril-->Lapras-->Kangaskhan

Horsea
1. Flail: Magikarp-->Horsea
2. Aurora Beam: Spheal-->Horsea
3. Disable: Psyduck-->Horsea
4. Splash: Magikarp-->Horsea
5. Dragon Rage: Gyarados-->Horsea
6. Dragonbreath: Bagon-->Horsea
*I, SM, seriously hope no one is planning on teaching it Splash

Goldeen
1. Psybeam: Remoraid-->Goldeen
2. Hydro Pump: Wailmer-->Goldeen
3. Sleep Talk: Whismur-->Wailmer-->Goldeen
4. Mud Sport: Barboach-->Goldeen

Staryu
No Egg Moves

Mr. Mime
1. Fake Out: Makuhita-->Mr. Mime
2. Future Sight: Drowzee-->Mr. Mime
3. Hypnosis: Drowzee-->Mr. Mime
4. Mimic: Move Tutor
5. Psych Up: Drowzee-->Mr. Mime

Scyther
1. Baton Pass: Ledyba-->Scyther
2. Counter: Heracross-->Scyther
3. Endure: Heracross-->Scyther
4. Light Screen: Ledyba-->Scyther
5. Razor Wind: *****
6. Reversal: Heracross-->Scyther
7. Safeguard: Ledyba-->Scyther
8. Silver Wind: Beautifly-->Scyther

Pinsir
1. Fury Attack: Heracross-->Pinsir
2. False Swiper: Nincada-->Pinsir
3. Faint Attack: Trapinch-->Pinsir

Tauros
No Egg Moves

Magikarp
No Egg Moves

Lapras
1. Curse: Slowbro-->Lapras
2. Dragon Dance: Horsea-->Lapras
3. Foresight: Mudkip-->Lapras
4. Horn Drill: Goldeen-->Lapras
5. Refresh: Likitung-->Lapras
6. Sleep Talk: Whismur-->Lapras
7. Substitute: Kecleon-->Skitty-->Marril-->Lapras
8. Tickle: Omanyte-->Lapras

Ditto
No Egg Moves

Eevee
1. Charm: Snubull-->Eevee
2. Curse: Torkoal-->Eevee
3. Endure: Phanpy-->Eevee
4. Flail: Phanpy-->Eevee
5. Tickle: Aipom-->Eevee
6. Wish: Togetic-->Skitty-->Eevee

Porygon
No Egg Moves

Omanyte
1. Aurora Beam: Seel-->Omanyte
2. Bubblebeam: Tentacool-->Omanyte
3. Haze: Wooper-->Omanyte
4. Rock Slide: Camerupt-->Spheal-->Omanyte
5. Slam: Dratini-->Omanyte
6. Spikes: Cloyster-->Omanyte
7. Supersonic: Tentacool-->Omanyte

Kabuto
1. Aurora Beam: Seel-->Kabuto
2. Bubblebeam: Tentacool-->Kabuto
3. Confuse Ray: Lapras-->Kabuto
4. Dig: Diglett-->Rhyhorn-->Slowpoke-->Kabuto
5. Flail: Goldeen-->Kabuto
6. Knock Off: Corphish-->Kabuto
7. Rapid Spin: Squirtle-->Kabuto

Aerodactyl
1. Curse: Torkoal-->Farfetch’d-->Aerodactyl
2. Dragonbreath: Altaria-->Aerodactyl
3. Foresight: Hoothoot-->Aerodactyl
4. Pursuit: Murkrow-->Aerodactyl
5. Steel Wing: Skarmory-->Aerodactyl
6. Whirlwind: Pidgey-->Aerodactyl

Snorlax
1. Charm: Snubull-->Nidoran-->Snorlax
2. Curse: Slowpoke-->Snorlax
3. Double Edge: Aron-->Snorlax
4. Fissure: *****
5. Lick: Lickitung-->Snorlax
6. Substitute: Kecleon-->Skitty-->Marril-->Lapras--> Snorlax

Dratini
1. Dragon Dance: Horsea-->Dratini
2. Dragonbreath: Altaria-->Dratini
3. Haze: Wooper-->Dratini
4. Light Screen: Pikachu-->Marril-->Dratini
5. Mist: Wingull-->Dratini
6. Supersonic: Wingull-->Dratini

Shining Mew
12th June 2005, 1:34 PM
Johto

Chikorita
1. Ancient Power: Corsola-->Totodile-->Chikorita
2. Counter: Breloom-->Chikorita
3. Flail: Horsea-->Squirtle-->Chikorita
4. Grasswhistle: Roselia-->Chikorita
5. Ingrain: Roselia-->Chikorita
6. Leech Seed: Bulbasaur/Bellsprout-->Chikorita
7. Nature Power: Seedot/Lotad-->Chikorita
8. Vine Whip: Bulbasuar-->Chikorita

Cyndaquil
1. Covet: Zigzagoon-->Cyndaquil
2. Crush Claw: Zangoose-->Cyndaquil
3. Foresight:Mudkip-->Psyduck-->Cyndaquil
4. Fury Swipes: Teddiursa-->Cyndaquil
5. Howl: Whismur/Electrike-->Cyndaquil
6. Quick Attack: Electrike-->Cyndaquil
7. Reversal: Vigoroth-->Cyndaquil
8. Thrash: Teddiursa-->Cyndaquil

Totodile
1. Ancient Power: Corsola-->Totodile
2. Crunch: Larvitar/Nidoran Female-->Totodile
3. Dragon Claw: Bagon-->Charmander-->Totodile
4. Hydro Pump: Squirtle/Psyduck/Poliwag/Horsea/Lapras/Omanyte/Maril/
Mantine/Mudkip/Lombre/Milotic/Clamperl/Relicanth-->Totodile
5. Mud Sport: Mudkip-->Totodile
6. Rock Slide: Camerupt-->Spheal-->Totodile
7. Thrash: Nidoking/Larvitar-->Totodile
8. Water Sport: Psyduck/Lombre-->Totodile
*DC is like TM breeding to Charmander. Since the Bagon chain are the only Pokemon besides Rayquaza that can learn DC, the breeding is very limited. The only way I found is to breed with Charmander. Now, DC is not one of its egg moves, but it can have it since it can learn DC from a TM as a Charmander. So basically it is an egg move. So then you just breed it to the Totodile and youll have a Totodile with DC.
*Why Hydro Pump is an egg move is beyond me. It learns Hydro Pump >.<

Sentret
1. Assist: Skitty-->Sentret
2. Double-Edge: Phanpy/Spinda/Camerupt/Skitty-->Sentret
3. Focus Energy: Numel/Slakoth/Torchic/Mankey-->Sentret
4. Pursuit: Umbreon/Rattata/Tauros/Dunsparse/Zangoose-->Sentret
5. Reversal: Vigoroth-->Sentret
6. Slash: Vogoroth/Meowth/Torchic/Teddisursa-->Sentret
7. Substitute: Kecleon-->Sentret
8. Trick: Kadabra-->Spinda-->Sentret

Hoothoot
1. Featherdance: Pidgey-->Hoothoot
2. Faint Attack: Murkrow-->Hoothoot
3. Mirror Move: Pidgey/Spearow/Swablu-->Hoothoot
4. Sky Attack: Altaria-->Hoothoot
5. Supersonic: Zubat-->Hoothoot
6. Whirlwind: Pidgey-->Hoothoot
7. Wing Attack: Pidgey/Zubat/Aerodactyl/Taillow/Wingull-->Hoothoot

Ledyba
1. Bide: Pineco/Shuckle-->Ledyba
2. Psybeam: Butterfree/Venomoth/Dustox-->Ledyba
3. Silver Wind: Butterfree/Venomoth/Beautifly/Dustox/Masquerain-->Ledyba

Spinarak
1. Baton Pass: Ledyba/Ninjask-->Spinarak
2. Disable: Venonat-->Spinarak
3. Psybeam: Butterfree/Venonat/Dustox-->Spinarak
4. Pursuit: Beedrill/Scyther-->Spinarak
5. Signal Beam: Volbeat-->Spinarak
6. Sonicboom: Yanma-->Spinarak

Chinchou
1. Flail: Magikarp-->Chinchou
2. Screech: Carvanha-->Chinchou
3. Amnesia: Wailmer-->Chinchou

Pichu
1. Reversal: Vigoroth -> Pikachu
2. Bide: Seedot -> Pikachu
3. Encore: Plusle -> Pikachu
4. Doubleslap: Jigglypuff -> Pikachu
5. Charge: Electrike -> Pikachu

Cleffa
1. Amnesia: Wooper-->Marill-->Cleffa
2. Belly Drum: Belly Drum: Poliwag -> Marill -> Cleffa
3. Metronome: Clefairy-->Cleffa
4. Mimic: Jigglypuff-->Cleffa
5. Present: Delibird-->Snubull-->Cleffa
6. Splash: Hoppip-->Cleffa
7. Substitute: Kecleon-->Skitty-->Cleffa
8. Wish: Togetic-->Cleffa

Igglybuff
1. Faint Attack: Skitty-->Igglybuff
2. Fake Tears: Plusle/Mawile-->Igglybuff

Togepi
1. Foresight: Hoothoot-->Togepi
2. Future Sight: Natu-->Togepi
3. Mirror Move: Pidgey/Spearow/Swablu-->Togepi
4. Peck: Spearow/Farfetch'd/Doduo/Hoothoot/Natu/
Murkrow/Skarmory/Taillow/Swablu-->Togepi
5. Present: Delibird-->Snubull-->Togepi
6. Psych Up: Psyduck-->Mawile-->Togepi
7. Substitute: Kecleon-->Skitty-->Togepi

Natu
1. Haze: Zubat -> Natu
2. Drill Peck: Doduo -> Natu
3. Quick Attack: Wingull -> Natu
4. Steel Wing: Skarmory -> Natu
5. Refresh: Swablu -> Natu

Mareep
1. Body Slam: Chikorita-->Mareep
2. Charge: Electrike-->Mareep
3. Oder Sleuth: Zigzagoon-->Mareep
4. Reflect: Chikorita-->Mareep
5. Safeguard: Chikorita-->Mareep
6. Screech: Totodile-->Mareep
7. Take Down: Aron-->Mareep

Marill
1. Light Screen: Pikachu-->Marill
2. Amnesia: Gorebyss-->Marill
3. Future Sight: Ralts-->Castform-->Marill
4. Supersonic: Wingull-->Marill
5. Substitute: Kecleon-->Skitty-->Marill
*Note: Azuril has different egg moves than Marill

Sudowoodo
1. Selfdustruct: Geodude-->Sudowoodo

Hoppip
1. Amnesia: Wooper-->Marill-->Hoppip
2. Confusion: Exeggxute-->Hoppip
3. Double-Edge: Jigglypuff/Togetic/Marill/Skitty-->Hoppip
4. Encore: Clefairy/Togetic-->Hoppip
5. Helping Hand: Plusle/Minun-->Hoppip
6. Psych Up: Psyduck-->Mawile-->Hoppip
7. Reflect: Exeggcute-->Hoppip

Aipom
1. Agility: Pikachu/Growlithe/Ponyta/Farfetch'd/Jolteon-->Aipom
2. Beat Up: Sneasal-->Aipom
3. Counter: Slakoth-->Aipom
4. Doubleslap: Skitty-->Aipom
5. Pursuit: Rattata/Umbreon/Dusparse/Zangoose-->Aipom
6. Screech: Ekans/Meowth/Psyduck/Umbreon/Dusparse-->Aipom
7. Slam: Pikachu/Sentret-->Aipom
8. Spite: Dunsparse-->Aipom

Sunkern
1. Curse: Slowpoke --> Bulbasaur-->Sunkern
2. Encore: Clefairy/Togetic-->Hoppip-->Sunkern
3. Grasswhistle: Roselia-->Sunkern
4. Helping Hand: PLusle/Minun-->Hoppip-->Sunkern
5. Leech Seed: Bulbasaur/Exeggcute/Hoppip/Shroomish/Roselia/Cacnea-->Sunkern
6. Nature Power: Lotad/Seedot-->Sunkern

Yanma
1. Leech Life: Venonat/Spinarak/Nicada-->Yanma
2. Reversal: Heracross-->Yanma
3. Signal Beam: Volbeat-->Yanma
4. Silver Wind: Butterfree/Venomoth/Beautifyl/Dustox/Masquerain-->Yanma
5. Whirlwind: Butterfree/Beautifly/Dustox/Masquerain-->Yanma

Wooper
1. Ancient Power: Relicanth/Corsola/Omanyte/Kabuto-->Wooper
2. Body Slam: Torkoal/Spheal-->Wooper
3. Curse: Dunsparse-->Wooper
4. Mud Sport: Zigzagoon/Mudkip/Relicanth-->Wooper
5. Pound: Whismur-->Wooper
6. Safeguard: Vulpix-->Wooper
7. Spit Up: Ekans/Mawile-->Wooper
8. Stockpile: Ekans/Mawile-->Wooper

Murkrow
1. Confuse Ray: Zubat/Natu-->Murkrow
2. Drill Peck: Spearow/Doduo-->Murkrow
3. Feather Dance: Pidgey-->Murkrow
4. Mirror Move: Pidgey/Spearow/Swablu-->Murkrow
5. Perish Song: Swablu-->Murkrow
6. Sky Attack: Altaria-->Murkrow
7. Whirlwind: Pidgey-->Murkrow
8. Wing Attack: Pidgey/Zubat/Aerodactyl/Taillow/Wingull-->Murkrow

Misdreavus
1. Destiny Bond: Gastly/Wobbufet-->Misdreavus
2. Imprison: Ralts-->Misdreavus
3. Psych Up: Psyduck-->Mawile-->Castform-->Misdreavus
4. Screech: Shuppet-->Misdreavus

Unown
No Egg Moves

Wobbufet
No Egg Moves

Girafarig
1. Take Down: Numel-->Girafarig
2. Amnesia: Slakoth-->Girafarig
3. Foresight: Mudkip-->Psyduck-->Girafarig
4. Future Sight: Absol-->Girafarig
5. Psych Up: Spoink-->Girafarig
6. Magic Coat: Spoink-->Girafarig

Pineco
1. Counter: Heracross-->Pineco
2. Flail: Feebas-->Lotad-->Paras-->Pineco
3. Pin Missle: Beedrill-->Pineco
4. Reflect: Ledyba-->Pineco
5. Sand Tomb: Trapinch-->Pineco
6. Swift: Ledyba-->Pineco

Dunsparse
1. Ancientpower: Kecleon-->Dunsparse
2. Astonish: Stantler/Girafarig/Mawile-->Dunsparse
3. Bide: Seedot--> Dunsparse
4. Bite: Eevee/Poochyena-->Dunsparse
5. Curse: Torkoal-->Dunsparse
6. Headbutt: Zigzagoon-->Dunsparse
7. Rock Slide: Camerupt-->Dunsparse

Gligar
1. Counter: Heracross-->Gligar
2. Metal Claw: Scizor/Nincada-->Gligar
3. Razor Wind: *****
4. Sand Tomb: Trapinch-->Gligar
5. Wing Attack: Yanma/Scyther-->Gligar

Snubbull
1. Crunch: Snubull-->Snubull o_O
2. Faint Attack: Skitty-->Snubull
3. Heal Bell: Skitty-->Snubull
4. Metronome: Clefairy/Togetic-->Snubull
5. Present: Delibird-->Snubull
6. Reflect: Chikorita-->Mareep-->Snubull
7. Smellingsalt: Makuhita-->Spinda-->Snubull
8. Snore: Teddiursa-->Snubull

Qwilfish
1. Astonish: Wailmer-->Qwilfish
2. Bubblebeam: Remoraid-->Qwilfish
3. Flail: Chinchou-->Qwilfish
4. Haze: Wooper/Surskit->Remoraid->Qwilfish
5. Supersonic: Goldenn-->Qwilfish

Shuckle
1. Sweet Scent: Surskit-->Shuckle

Heracross
1. Harden: Kakuna/Metapod/Silcoon/Cascoon/Nincada-->Heracross
2. False Swipe: Scyther/Nincada-->Heracross

Sneasel
1. Bite: Eevee--> Sneasel
2. Counter: Slakoth-->Sneasel
3. Crush Claw: Zangoose-->Sneasel
4. Fake Out: Meowth-->Sneasel
5. Foresight: Mudkip-->Psyduck-->Sneasel
6. Reflect: Chikorita-->Mareep--->Sneasel
7. Spite: Dunsparse-->Sneasal

Teddiursa
1. Counter: Slakoth-->Teddiursa
2. Crunch: Snubull-->Teddiursa
3. Fake Tears: Teddiursa/Mawile-->Teddiursa
4. Metal Claw: Sneasel-->Teddiursa
5. Seismic Toss: Mankey-->Teddiursa
6. Sleep Talk: Whismur-->Teddiursa
7. Take Down: Growlithe/Ponyta/Eevee/Dunsparse/Snubull/Poochyena-->Teddiursa
8. Yawn: Slakoth/Dunsparse-->Teddiursa

Slugma
1. Acid Armor: Grimer-->Slugma

Swinub
1. Ancient Power: Kecleon-->Swinub
2. Bite: Meowth/Growlithe/Eevee/Snubull/Poochyena-->Swinub
3. Body Slam: Torkoal-->Swinub
4. Double-Edge: Skitty/Numel/Spinda-->Swinub
5. Icicle Spear: Shellder->Corsola->Seel->Swinub
6. Mud Shot: Wooper-->Swinub
7. Rock Slide: Camerupt-->Swinub
8. Take Down: Growlithe/Ponyta/Eevee/Dunsparse/Snubull/Poochyena-->Swinub

Corsola
1. Rock Slide: Camerupt-->Spheal-->Corsola
2. Screech: Tentacool-->Corsola
3. Mist: Wingull-->Corsola
4. Amnesia: Wailmer/Lileep-->Corsola
5. Barrier: Tentacool-->Corsola
6. Ingrain: Lileep-->Corsola
7. Confuse Ray: Lileep-->Corsola

Remoraid
1. Aurora Beam: Remoraid-->Remoraid
2. Haze: Wooper/Surskit->Haze
3. Octazooka: Octillery-->Remoraid
4. Rock Blast: Corsola--> Remoraid
5. Screech: Carvanha-->Remoraid
6. Supersonic: Chinchou-->Remoraid
7. Thunder Wave: Chinchou-->Remoraid

Delibird
1. Aurora Beam: Spheal-->Delibird
2. Future Sight: Absol-->Delibird
3. Ice Ball: Spheal-->Delibird
4. Quick Attack: Eevee/Sentret/Zigzagoon-->Delibird
5. Rapid Spin: Donphan-->Delibird
6. Slash: Meowth/Sneasal/Teddiursa/Linoone/Slakoth-->Delibird

Mantine
1. Haze: Wooper-->Mantine
2. Hydro Pump: Mantine-->Mantine
3. Mud Sport: Mudkip-->Mantine
4. Rock Slide: Camerupt-->Spheal-->Mantine
5. Slam: Wooper/Dratini-->Mantine
6. Twister: Horsea-->Mantine

Skarmory
1. Drill Peck: Doduo-->Skarmory
2. Pursuit: Doduo-->Skarmory
3. Sky Attack: Altaria-->Skarmory

Houndour
1. Beat Up: Sneasel-->Houndour
2. Counter: Slakoth-->Houndour
3. Fire Spin: Vulpix/Torkoal/Ponyta/Flareon-->Houndour
4. Pursuit: Rattata/Umbreon/Dunsparse/Zangoose-->Houndour
5. Rage: Primape/Dunsparse/Snubull-->Houndour
6. Reversal: Vigoroth-->Houndour
7. Spite: Dunsparse-->Houndour
8. Will-o-Wisp: Vulpix-->Houndour

Phanpy
1. Focus Energy: Numel -> Phanpy
2. Body Slam: Spheal -> Phanpy
3. Ancient Power: Kecleon -> Phanpy
4. Snore: Spheal -> Phanpy
5. Counter: Slakoth -> Phanpy
6. Fissure: Camerupt -> Phanpy

Stantler
1. Bite: Meowth/Growlith/Eevee/Snubull/Houndour/Poochyena-->Stantler
2. Disable: Psyduck-->Stantler
3. Extrasensory: Nuzleaf-->Stantler
4. Psych Up: Psyduck-->Stantler
5. Spite: Dunsparse-->Stantler
6. Swagger: Meowth/Mankey/Poochyena/Nuzleaf-->Stantler

Smeargle
None

Tyrogue
1. Helping Hand: *****
2. Mach Punch: Hitmochan-->Tyrogue
3. Mind Reader: Hitmonlee-->Tyrogue

Smoochum
1. Fake Out: Makuhita --> Smoochum
2. Meditate: Mr. Mime --> Smoochum
3. Psych Up: Drowzee --> Smoochum
4. Wish: Illumise --> Smoochum

Elekid
1. Barrier: Mr. Mime --> Electabuzz
2. Cross Chop: Machop --> Electazbuzz
3. Fire Punch: Magmar --> Electabuzz
4. Ice Punch: Jynx --> Electabuzz
5. Karate Chop: Machop --> Electabuzz
6. Meditate: Mr. Mime --> Electabuzz
7. Rolling Kick: Hitmonlee --> Electabuzz

Magby
1. Barrier: Mr. Mime --> Magmar
2. Cross Chop: Machop --> Magmar
3. Karate Chop: Machop --> Magmar
4. Mega Punch: Hitmonchan --> Magmar
5. Screech: Electabuzz --> Magmar
6. Thunderpunch: Electabuzz --> Magmar

Miltank
1. Curse: Torkoal-->Miltank
2. Endure: Swinub/Phanpy/Vigoroth-->Miltank
3. Helping Hand: Growlith/Eevee/Sentret-->Miltank
4. Present: Delibird-->Miltank
5. Psych Up: Psyduck-->Miltank
6. Reversal: Vigoroth-->Miltank
7. Seismic Toss: Mankey-->Miltank
8. Sleep Talk: Whismur-->Miltank

Larvitar
1. Ancient Power: Corsola-->Totodile-->Larvitar
2. Curse: Slowpoke-->Larvitar
3. Dragon Dance: Altaria-->Charmander-->Larvitar
4. Focus Energy: Nidoran Male/Cubone-->Larvitar
5. Outrage: Dratini-->Charmander-->Larvitar
6. Pursuit: Treecko-->Larvitar
7. Stomp: Rhyhorn-->Larvitar

Shining Mew
12th June 2005, 1:34 PM
Hoenn

Treecko
1. Crush Claw: Zangoose-->Rhyhorn-->Treecko
2. Crunch: Bagon-->Treecko
3. Endeavor: Mudkip-->Treecko
4. Dragonbreath: Bagon-->Treecko
5. Leech Seed: Roselia-->Tropius-->Treecko
6. Mud Sport: Mudkip-->Treecko

Torchic
1. Counter: Slakoth-->Torchic
2. Endure: Vigoroth-->Torchic
3. Reversal: Vigoroth-->Torchic
4. Rock Slide: Camerupt-->Torchic
5. Smellingsalt: Makuhita-->Spinda ->Torchic
6. Swagger: Mightyena-->Torchic

Mudkip
1. Curse: Torkoal-->Rhyhorn-->Mudkip
2. Ice Ball: Spheal-->Mudkip
3. Mirror Coat: Corsola-->Mudkip
4. Refresh: Corsola-->Mudkip
5. Stomp: Tropius-->Mudkip
6. Uproar: Whismur-->Mudkip

Poochyena
1. Astonish: Whismur-->Poochyena
2. Covet: Zigzagoon-->Poochyena
3. Leer: Electrike-->Poochyena
4. Poison Fang: Seviper-->Poochyena
5. Yawn: Slakoth-->Poochyena

Zigzagoon
1. Charm: Skitty-->Zigzagoon
2. Pursuit: Zangoose-->Zigzagoon
3. Substitute: Kecleon-->Zigzagoon
4. Tickle: Whiscash-->Wailmer-->Zigzagoon
5. Trick: Kadabra-->Spinda-->Zigzagoon

Wurmple
No egg moves

Lotad
1. Leech Seed: Roselia-->Lotad
2. Sweet Scent: Oddish-->Lotad
3. Flail: Feebas-->Lotad
4. Razor Leaf: Tropius-->Lotad
5. Synthesis: Tropius-->Lotad
6. Water Gun: Wingull-->Lotad
*For those of you that don't have Feebas or have trouble getting it, you can use Magikarp-->Horsea-->Lotad to get Flail

Seedot
1. Leech Seed: Roselia-->Seedot
2. Amnesia: Slakoth-->Seedot
3. Quick Attack: Oddish-->Seedot
4. Razor Wind: Absol-->Seedot
5. Take Down: Numel-->Seedot
6. False Swipe: Zangoose-->Seedot

Taillow
1. Pursuit: Wingull-->Taillow
2. Supersonic: Zubat--> Tailow
3. Refresh: Swablu--> Taillow
4. Sky Attack: Altaria-->Taillow
5. Mirror Move: Swablu-->Taillow
6. Rage: Dodou-->Taillow

Wingull
1. Twister: Horsea-->Wingull
2. Gust: Masquerian-->Wingull
3. Water Sport: Surskit-->Wingull

Ralts
1. Disable: Grimer-->Ralts
2. Will-o-Wisp: Shuppet--> Ralts
3. Mean Look: Duskull-->Ralts
4. Memento: Koffing-->Ralts
5. Destiny Bond: Koffing-->Ralts

Surskit
1. Foresight: Mudkip-->Surskit
2. Psybeam: Dustox-->Surskit
3. Mud Shot: Marshtomp-->Surskit
4. Hydro Pump: Marill-->Surskit
5. Mind Reader: Nicada-->Surskit

Shroomish
1. Swagger: Nuzleaf-->Shroomish
2. Fake Tears: Plusle-->Shroomish
3. Charm: Skitty-->Shroomish
4. False Swipe: Zangoose-->Seedot-->Shroomish
5. Helping Hand: Plusle-->Shroomish

Slakoth
1. Slash: Vigoroth-->Slakoth
2. Pursuit: Zangoose-->Slakoth
3. Body Slam: Torkoal-->Slakoth
4. Snore: Sealeo-->Slakoth
5. Crush Claw: Zangoose-->Slakoth
6. Curse: Torkoal-->Slakoth
7. Sleep Talk: Whismur-->Slakoth
*Yep, you breed Slakoth’s own evo. to get an egg move…silly aint it?

Nincada
1. Endure: Heracross-->Nincada
2. Faint Attack: Trapinch-->Nincada
3. Gust: Beautifly-->Nincada
4. Silver Wind: Beautifly-->Nincada

Whismur
1. Take Down: Aron-->Whismur
2. Snore: Spheal-->Whismur
3. Swagger: Poochyena-->Whismur
4. Smellingsalt: Makuhita-->Spinda-->Whismur
5. Extrasensory: Nuzleaf-->Whismur

Makuhita
1. Faint Attack: Spinda-->Makuhita
2. Detect: Meditate-->Makuhita
3. Foresight: Machop-->Makuhita
4. Helping Hand: Volbeat-->Makuhita
5. Cross Chop: Machop-->Makuhita
6. Revenge: Machop-->Makuhita
7. Dynamicpunch: Machop-->Makuhita
8. Counter: Breloom-->Cacnea-->Makuhita

Azurill
1. Encore: Plusle/Minun-->Azurill
2. Sing: Skitty-->Azurill
3. Refresh: Corsola-->Azurill
4. Tickle: Whiscash-->Wailmer-->Skitty-->Azurill
*Azurill and Marill have different egg moves

Nosepass
1. Magnitude: Geodude-->Nosepass
2. Rollout: Geodude-->Nosepass
3. Explosion: Geodude-->Nosepass

Skitty
1. Helping Hand: Plusle/Minun-->Skitty
2. Psych-Up:Psyduck-->Mawile-->Skitty
3. Uproar: Whismur-->Skitty
4. Fake Tears: Mawile-->Skitty
5. Baton Pass: Plusle/Minun-->Skitty
6. Substitute: Keckeon-->Skitty
7. Tickle: Whishcash-->Wailmer-->Skitty

Sableye
1. Psych Up: Meditite-->Sableye
2. Recover: Kadabra-->Sableye
3. Moonlight: Volbeat/Illumise-->Sableye

Mawile
1. Swords Dance: Absol-->Mawile
2. False Swipe: Zangoose-->Mawile
3. Poison Fang: Seviper-->Mawile
4. Psych Up: Spoink-->Mawile
5. Ancientpower: Keckeon-->Mawile
6. Tickle: Whiscash-->Wailmer-->Mawile

Aron
1. Endeavor: Mudkip-->Aron
2. Body Slam: Tropius-->Aron
3. Stomp: Whismur-->Aron
4. Smellingsalt: Makuhita-->Spinda-->Whismur-->Aron

Meditite
1. Fire Punch: Medicham-->Meditite
2. Thunderpunch: Medicham-->Meditite
3. Ice Punch: Medicham-->Meditite
4. Foresight: Machop-->Meditite
5. Fake Out: Makuhita-->Meditite
6. Baton Pass: Ninjask-->Volbeat/Illumise-->Meditite
7. Dynamicpunch: Machop-->Meditite

Electrike
1. Crunch: Poochyena-->Electrike
2. Headbutt: Zigzagoon-->Electrike
3. Uproar: Whismur-->Electrike
4. Curse: Torkoal-->Electrike
5. Swift: Sandshrew-->Electrike

Plusle
1. Substitute: Keckleon-->Plusle

Minun
1. Substitute: Keckleon-->Minun

Volbeat
1. Baton Pass: Ninjask-->Volbeat
2. Silver Wind: Beautifly-->Volbeat
3. Trick: Kadabra-->Volbeat

Illumise
1. Baton Pass: Ninjask-->Illumise
2. Silver Wind: Beautifly-->Illumise
3. Growth: Cacnea-->Illumise

Roselia
1. Spikes: Cacnea-->Roselia
2. Pin Missle: Cacnea-->Roselia
3. Cotton Spore: Cacnea-->Roselia

Gulpin
1. Dream Eater: Ralts-->Gulpin
2. Acid Armor: Grimer-->Gulpin
3. Smog: Koffing-->Gulpin

Carvanha
1. Hydro Pump: Gyarados-->Carvanha
2. Double Edge: Relicanth-->Carvanha
3. Thrash: Gyarados-->Carvanha

Wailmer
1. Double-Edge: Relicnth-->Wailmer
2. Thrash: Gyarados-->Wailmer
3. Swagger: Carvanha-->Wailmer
4. Snore: Spoink-->Wailmer
5. Sleep Talk: Whismur-->Wailmer
6. Curse: Torkoal-->Wailmer
7. Fissure: Camerupt-->Wailmer
8. Tickle: Whishcash-->Wailmer

Numel
1. Howl: Poochyena -> Numel
2. Scary Face: Rhyhorn -> Numel
3. Body Slame: Spheal -> Numel
4. Rollout: Wailmer -> Numel
5. Defence Curl: Sandshrew -> Numel
6. Stomp: Rhyhorn -> Numel

Torkoal
1. Eruption: Camerupt -> Torkoal
2.Endure: Vigoroth -> Torkoal
3. Sleep Talk: Whismur -> Torkoal
4. Yawn: Slakoth -> Torkoal

Spoink
1. Future Sight: Absol -> Spoink
2. Extrasensory: Nuzleaf -> Spoink
3. Substitute: Kecleon -> Spoink
4. Trick: Abra -> Spinda -> Spoink

Spinda
1. Encore: Spheal -> Spinda
2. Rock Slide: Camerupt -> Spinda
3. Assist: Skitty -> Spinda
4. Disable: Psycduck -> Spinda
5. Baton Pass: Girafarig -> Spinda
6. Trick: Abra -> Spinda
7. Smelling Salt: Makuhita -> Spinda

Trapinch
1. Focus Energy: Pinsir -> Trapinch
2. Quick Attack: Volbeat -> Trapinch
3. Gust: Beautifly -> Trapinch

Cacnea
1. Grasswhistle: Roselia -> Cacnea
2. Acid: Oddish -> Cacnea
3. Teeter Dance: Spinda -> Cacnea
4. Dynamic Punch: Breloom -> Cacnea
5. Counter: Breloom -> Cacnea

Swablu
1. Agility: Taillow -> Swablu
2. Haze: Zubat -> Swablu
3. Pursuit: Wingull -> Swablu
4. Rage: Doduo -> Swablu

Zangoose
1. Flail: Slakoth -> Zangoose
2. Double Kick: Combusken -> Zangoose
3. Razor Wind: Absol -> Zangoose
4. Counter: Slakoth -> Zangoose
5. Roar: Electrike -> Zangoose
6. Curse: Torkoal -> Zangoose

Seviper
1. Stock Pile: Pelipper-->Spheal--> Seviper
2. Swallow: Pelipper -> Spheal ->Seviper
3. Spit Up: Pelipper-->Sphea--> Seviper
4. Body Slam: Spheal -> Seviper

Lunatone
No Egg Moves

Solrock
No Egg Moves

Barboach
1. Thrash: Gyarados -> Barboach
2. Whirlpool: Wailmer -> Barboach
3. Spark: Chinchou -> Barboach

Corphish
1. Mud Sport: Mudkip -> Corphish
2. Endeavor: Mudkip -> Corphish
3. Body Slam: Spheal -> Corphish
4. Ancient Power: Lileep -> Corphish

Baltoy
No Egg Moves

Lileep
1. Barrier: Tentacool -> Lileep
2. Recover: Corsola -> Lileep
3. Mirror Coat: Corsola -> Lileep
4. Rock Slide: Camerupt -> Spheal -> Corsola -> Lileep

Anorith
1. Knock Off: Corphish -> Anorith
2. Swords Dance: Corphish -> Anorith
3. Rock Slide: Camerupt -> Spheal -> Corsola -> Anorith

Feebas
1. Mirror Coat: Corsola -> Feebas
2. Dragon Breath: Altaria -> Feebas
3. Mud Sport: Mudkip -> Feebas
4. Hypnosis: Spinda -> Psyduck -> Feebas
5. Light Screen: Glalie (Buyable TM) -> Marill -> Feebas
6. Confuse Ray: Mantine -> Feebas

Castform
1. Future Sight: Ralts -> Castform
2. Psych Up: Psyduck -> Skitty -> Castform

Kecleon
1. Disable: Psyduck -> Kecleon
2. Magic Coat: Spoink -> Kecleon
3. Trick: Abra -> Spinda -> Kecleon

Shuppet
1. Disable: Grimer -> Shuppet
2. Destiny Bond: Wobbuffet -> Shuppet
3. Foresight: Duskull -> Shuppet
4. Astonish: Duskull -> Shuppet
5. Imprison: Ralts -> Shuppet

Duskull
1. Imprison: Ralts -> Duskull
2. Destiny Bond: Wobbuffet -> Duskull
3. Grudge: Shuppet -> Duskull
4. Memento: Koffing -> Duskull
5. Faint Attack: Shuppet -> Duskull

Tropius
1. Headbutt: Aron -> Tropius
2. Slam: Treecko -> Tropius
3. Razor Wind: Nuzleaf -> Tropius
4. Leech Seed: Roselia -> Tropius
5. Nature Power: Lotad -> Tropius

Chimecho
1. Disable: Grimer -> Chimecho
2. Curse: Shuppet -> Chimecho
3. Hypnosis: Ralts -> Chimecho
4. Dream Eater: Ralts -> Chimecho

Absol
1. Baton Pass: Girafarig -> Absol
2. Faint Attack: Nuzleaf -> Absol
3. Double Edge: Skitty -> Absol
4. Magic Coat: Spoink -> Absol
5. Curse: Torkoal -> Absol
6. Substitute: Kecleon -> Absol

Snorunt
1. Block: Nosepass -> Snorunt
2. Spikes: Cacturne -> Roselia -> Snorunt

Spheal
1. Water Sport: Surskit-> Spheal
2. Stock Pile: Pelipper -> Spheal
3. Spit Up: Pelipper -> Spheal
4. Swallow: Pelipper -> Spheal
5. Yawn: Slakoth -> Spheal
6. Rock Slide: Camerupt -> Spheal
7. Curse: Torkoal -> Spheal
8. Fissure: Camerupt -> Spheal

Clamperl
1. Refresh: Corsola -> Clamperl
2. Mud Sport: Mudkip -> Clamperl
3. Body Slam: Spheal -> Clamperl
4. Supersonic: Wingull -> Clamperl
5. Barrier: Tentacool -> Corsola -> Clamperl
6. Confuse Ray: Lileep--> Corsola-->Clamperl

Relicanth
1. Magnitude: Barboach -> Relicanth
2. Skull Bash: Sharpedo -> Relicanth
3. Water Sport: Barboach--> Relicanth
4. Amnesia: Wailmer -> Relicanth
5. Sleep Talk: Whismur -> Wailmer -> Relicanth
6. Rock Slide: Camerupt -> Spheal -> Relicanth

Luvdisc
1. Splash: Magikarp -> Luvdisc
2. Supersonic: Goldeen -> Luvdisc
3. Water Sport: Goldeen -> Luvdisc
4. Mud Sport: Barboach -> Luvdisc

Bagon
1. Hydro Pump: Horsea -> Bagon
2. Thrash: Gyarados -> Bagon
3. Dragon Rage: Gyarados -> Bagon
4. Twister: (Guess) Gyarados -> Bagon
5. Dragon Dance: (Hmm I wonder) Gyarados -> Bagon
*You can breed all of Bagons moves from Gyarados :P

Death Jr
13th June 2005, 6:46 AM
THank you sooooooo much for this, really.
I'm really glad you did this. now i can breed to perfection.
but is it true that you can breed pokemon to get better stats apart from nature stats?

EDIT: also... if you were to deleate all moves but the desired egg move from the parent would it have better chances of being passed down.

TRJessie579
13th June 2005, 7:11 AM
THank you sooooooo much for this, really.
I'm really glad you did this. now i can breed to perfection.
but is it true that you can breed pokemon to get better stats apart from nature stats?

EDIT: also... if you were to deleate all moves but the desired egg move from the parent would it have better chances of being passed down.

I believe the baby gets 3 random IV values from each of its parents.

Also, there's no "better chances" about passing down moves. If the father has the move, and the baby can learn it as an Egg Move, it WILL be passed down.

GardevoirMaster
13th June 2005, 8:51 PM
Can I say one thing? On Charmanders breeding move list it says Bite can be passed down by Kangaskhan, but Kangaskhan are always female and cant pass any moves down. Ekans can breed with Charmander to get Bite.

EvilAerosolCan
13th June 2005, 9:10 PM
Do bred pokemon have items? Like if I bred a Chancey, would there be the possibility of it holding a Lucky Egg (or whatever it's called)?

GardevoirMaster
13th June 2005, 9:52 PM
Pokemon cant hold items if they come out of an egg. (Not really sure if I can answer this though) Its illogical to have an item appear out of nowhere. Chansey are a pain to hatch too, and the only way to get a Lucky Egg is from wild Chansey.

Shining Mew
13th June 2005, 11:00 PM
Ahh, thanks for pointing that out GardevoirMaster. I fixed it now so its all good.

TRJessie579
13th June 2005, 11:55 PM
*this dude is like Illumis and Volbeat. Im guessing that if the Female has the moves then maybe when the 2 Nidos breed the Male will get it. I dont know, I havent breed those two yet

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but if I am, it needs to be made a bit clearer, I think... XD

Since Eggs from Nido F have a 50% chance of being Nido F and a 50% chance of being Nido M, you just breed a male with the Egg Move and a Nido F, and basically hope the Egg is a Nido M. That's how you breed the moves down. If Nido F has the Egg Move, it'll do squat.

indigestible_wad
14th June 2005, 12:34 AM
Well this was a useful idea. The only thing is that you didn't show all the father pokemon for the moves. Meh. Then there are more complicated ways to get the moves, but those aren't really nessecary.

Black Widow
14th June 2005, 4:48 AM
I know these things take a long time to make, and they're very useful. Thanks.

Shining Mew
15th June 2005, 8:22 PM
Yeah this was put together sometime last year... meh if theres anything to be added/changed lemme know and Ill edit it in.

Grim
7th July 2005, 9:17 PM
Thank you so much for this info. You deserve an award for your contribution.

Finnmonster
8th July 2005, 10:38 AM
I was trying to get Rock Slide-Lileep on the way that is on GM's Breeding section. (Bah, Relicanth doesn't even learn RS by itself.) This thread cleared my head. Thanks a lot.

saemp
9th July 2005, 5:34 PM
oh thanx dude i was trying to know all those moves from breeding but cant get them but now i know everything

djbrayster
13th July 2005, 6:52 PM
Err.. can you pass on Blast Burn, Hydro Cannon and Frenzy leaf to their offspring? eg:if two charizards breed will the charmander know Blast burn?
and can you pass on egg moves using ditto? Egg breeding is something that was always confusing to me.

TRJessie579
14th July 2005, 5:25 AM
Err.. can you pass on Blast Burn, Hydro Cannon and Frenzy leaf to their offspring? eg:if two charizards breed will the charmander know Blast burn?
and can you pass on egg moves using ditto? Egg breeding is something that was always confusing to me.

You can't pass on any Move Tutor moves, which includes the "elemental Hyperbeams."

Moves are passed on by the male. So, if you breed a male with a Ditto and the male knows an Egg Move (though since the species will be the male's, the father must have gotten the move from breeding it onto him), or it has a TM/HM, the baby will be born knowing it.

Da King*23
17th July 2005, 6:54 PM
is the nature still random in breeding???

Mayhood
18th July 2005, 1:09 AM
It is in Fire Red and Leaf Green. The only way to influence natures through breeding is attaching Everstone to a Ditto or the Female pokemon in Emerald (only in Emerald).

Dreamcoat
18th July 2005, 7:43 PM
Clefairy is missing.

djbrayster
19th July 2005, 6:12 PM
Clefairy is missing.
Try looking for its lowest evolution.

Cleffa
1. Amnesia: Wooper-->Marill-->Cleffa
2. Belly Drum: Belly Drum: Poliwag -> Marill -> Cleffa
3. Metronome: Clefairy-->Cleffa
4. Mimic: Jigglypuff-->Cleffa
5. Present: Delibird-->Snubull-->Cleffa
6. Splash: Hoppip-->Cleffa
7. Substitute: Kecleon-->Skitty-->Cleffa
8. Wish: Togetic-->Cleffa

Dreamcoat
20th July 2005, 11:47 AM
Try looking for its lowest evolution.

Cleffa
1. Amnesia: Wooper-->Marill-->Cleffa
2. Belly Drum: Belly Drum: Poliwag -> Marill -> Cleffa
3. Metronome: Clefairy-->Cleffa
4. Mimic: Jigglypuff-->Cleffa
5. Present: Delibird-->Snubull-->Cleffa
6. Splash: Hoppip-->Cleffa
7. Substitute: Kecleon-->Skitty-->Cleffa
8. Wish: Togetic-->Cleffa
Oh yeah. Thanks.

Gym Leader Jasmine
20th July 2005, 1:57 PM
do'es s swinub can learn fury attack by breeding a piloswine i have a piloswine with fury attack can it learn that move?

wierd_Flygon
28th July 2005, 8:33 PM
umm.. this is not really about learning moves.... but if u put a male Sceptile and a Ditto, will I get a Treecko?

djbrayster
28th July 2005, 8:43 PM
yes, only way to get a baby ditto I think is to breed two ditto. but I am not sure if even that works!

Shiny Ho-oh
1st August 2005, 7:47 PM
shining mew you say that voltorb can't breed but it can it's in the no gender egg group you can breed it with a ditto and get an egg

Mayhood
2nd August 2005, 2:21 PM
... First of all, you cannot breed baby Ditto... Two Ditto will not produce an egg.

Secondly, Voltorb can't breed. Technically it can with Ditto but I would hardly call that breeding... Not that it matters or anything anyway because Voltorb doesn't have egg moves...

Shiny Ho-oh
2nd August 2005, 6:10 PM
... First of all, you cannot breed baby Ditto... Two Ditto will not produce an egg.

Secondly, Voltorb can't breed. Technically it can with Ditto but I would hardly call that breeding... Not that it matters or anything anyway because Voltorb doesn't have egg moves...breeding is breeding weather it's with a ditto or any other pokemon it's still breeding

blackice2
5th August 2005, 8:49 PM
can FR LG breed?if s reply to me

djbrayster
5th August 2005, 8:53 PM
whoa you cannot get ditto from an egg? O_o that seems freaky!

TRJessie579
5th August 2005, 8:56 PM
can FR LG breed?if s reply to me

You mean, can you breed in FR/LG?

Yes, on Four Island. You can only get there after you beat the E4.

Golden_Latias
10th August 2005, 5:04 PM
The Pokedex isn't working for me,so sorry if this is a dumb question...

I'm trying to get a Squirtle with a Bold Nature and Haze,so I trained a Surskit to level 37 so it could learn Haze.But there's never an egg when I go there.

So can Squirtle even breed with Surskit,and if not,how do I get a Squirtle with Haze?

Jeimuzu
24th August 2005, 8:21 PM
I'm stuck, i'm trying to learn how to be a more competitive battler and i'm looking for a pokémon that can learn these moves (by breeding and/or level up)

*Endure
*Mirror Coat

I get confused when breeding...

Dark Venusaur
26th August 2005, 10:04 PM
This helped but i thought that you cant breed with a Nidoqueen;031; or Nidoking;034; to get Ether a Nidoran(female);029; or Nidoran(male);032;

dark feathered snake
29th August 2005, 3:26 AM
o_0
i dont know....
somebody know how i cant breed a tyranitar whith ancient pòwer and dragon dance?
i have a long time lose in useless hibrids

TRJessie579
29th August 2005, 3:32 AM
You can't, it's an illegal moveset, meaning you can't breed both onto the same Tyranitar.

dark feathered snake
1st September 2005, 3:32 AM
You can't, it's an illegal moveset, meaning you can't breed both onto the same Tyranitar.
¬¬U
(ya me temia eso...)
u_uU i have hope but no anymore
thanks bro....
o_o
um...theres another pokemon that can have this moveset???

TRJessie579
1st September 2005, 4:06 AM
Yep.

Swablu/Altaria
Bagon family
Dratini family
Horsea family
Latios
Rayquaza

Powerful_Blaziken88
1st September 2005, 4:06 AM
Quote:
1. Body Slam: Miltank-->Growlithe

Look carefully at that. Tell me what's wrong.

MetalKid
2nd September 2005, 4:20 PM
Miltank is female only, so it can't pass on moves. Fortuneately (or unfortunely for Shinning Mew), my program will now give, in accurate detail, Breeding chains for anything, including TMs. The max length a chain can get is 7 (Though, running through chains 6 & 7 can sometimes take a LONG time... Even on a 2 ghz machine). However, this new Chain Breeding will be in 3.02 of my program. I'm still doing some testing to make sure its 100% accurate.

Anyway, here is a sample of output:

The following chains are for Growlithe with move(s): Body Slam

Walrein (Body Slam) > Growlithe
Torkoal (Body Slam) > Growlithe
Spheal (Body Slam) > Growlithe
Sealeo (Body Slam) > Growlithe
Tropius (Body Slam) > Mareep > Growlithe
Snorlax (Body Slam) > Mareep > Growlithe
Poliwrath (Body Slam) > Wooper > Growlithe
Poliwhirl (Body Slam) > Wooper > Growlithe
Poliwag (Body Slam) > Wooper > Growlithe
Politoed (Body Slam) > Wooper > Growlithe
Meganium (Body Slam) > Mareep > Growlithe
Lapras (Body Slam) > Wooper > Growlithe
Lapras (Body Slam) > Mareep > Growlithe
Chikorita (Body Slam) > Mareep > Growlithe
Bayleef (Body Slam) > Mareep > Growlithe

grovile
8th September 2005, 6:44 PM
What i get pokemon eggs in FR?

TRJessie579
8th September 2005, 8:31 PM
I can't really understand your question. O_o Are you asking where to breed in FR/LG?

There's a Daycare Center on Four Island. The one in Cerulean works just like the one in Red/Blue did, and only levels up your Pokemon (one at a time).

Expert Evan
8th September 2005, 8:51 PM
The daycare on island 4 is very inferior compared to emerald as follows:

- no mach back
- no straightaway like the one from verdanturf to Maulville
- no flame body nor magma armor to speed up the breeding
- no extended bikepaths on island 4 which requires to constantly ask the old man if there is an egg.

Since I have Pokemon Box, I've been doing this breeding trick in emerald to use different OT's when chain-breeding:

1. acquire about 2 dozen eggs
2. get them so "It's almost hatching"
3. move the eggs to pokemon box
4. move the eggs again to ruby or sapphire
5. hatch all eggs there
6. move all desired hatchings to pokemon box then back to emerald to evaluate them with the breeding expert in battle frontier.

While a careful male roselia with flawless defense may seem undesireable for training, it is indeed valuable for breeding with a chansey once it can learn aromatherapy at level 53.

PkmnTrainerJ
20th September 2005, 10:40 PM
I don't suppose adding a few suggested hatching routes for FR/LG into the first, second or third post would be too much trouble? As we've had two threads about this recently. There are some suggestions here:

http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=86300

Cheers if you do add it in.

Kaimorse
23rd September 2005, 12:27 PM
You forgot to add that Pichu learns Present by breeding with Delibird.

Present: Delibird-->Pichu

Expert Evan
27th September 2005, 5:16 PM
Here's a tip on finding level 23 dittos with flawless IVs which you have a better 15% chance of finding one on route 14 in an area above a group of bikers which requires a cutter to get there:

Flawless HP = 62
flawless nature-increased stat = 37 (ie. timid nature, speed stat)
flawless nature-neutral = 34 (ie. timid nature, special attack stat)
flawless nature-decreased = 30 (ie. timid nature, attack stat)

Anything less is not considered flawless which saves me the task of moving all dittos to emerald and taking each to the breeding expert there, plus these dittos are often better for breeding for OT purposes even though you may have a better chance of getting desired nature in emerald with the synchronize ability.

sandman
6th October 2005, 5:41 AM
hey is there a particular reason that my nido king and queen hate each other or am i just unlucky cause if i am my plan to breed an ultra nido king is at a sudden halt.

TRJessie579
6th October 2005, 5:40 PM
Nidorina and Nidoqueen can't breed.

Haunter
6th October 2005, 5:46 PM
Now, I think that the fact nidoking and 'queen can't breed is stupid. Seriously.

TRJessie579
6th October 2005, 5:55 PM
It is, but it's always been like that. *Shrug*

You can breed the Nidoran M family with Ditto, or the Nidoran F family with any male in the Egg group.

BKCK
8th October 2005, 2:47 AM
Would this breeding chain work?

Kabutops (Ancientpower - Lv.65) > Totodile > Larvitar

I'm not exactly 100% sure about it

Whompithian
8th October 2005, 3:32 AM
Would this breeding chain work?

Kabutops (Ancientpower - Lv.65) > Totodile > Larvitar

I'm not exactly 100% sure about it
I don't see anything wrong with it. It looks like that chain will work just fine.

BKCK
8th October 2005, 4:56 AM
ok just making sure

Beachball
10th October 2005, 6:24 AM
It isn't possible to get a Eevee knowing Curse and Wish by any stretch, right?

Curse: Torkoal--> Eevee
Wish: Togetic-->Skitty-->Eevee

Metarock Sam
13th October 2005, 6:59 PM
want a level 5 charmander with flamethrower straight away.
The awnser breed charizard with ditto !!!!

Expert Evan
16th October 2005, 3:38 AM
It isn't possible to get a Eevee knowing Curse and Wish by any stretch, right?

Curse: Torkoal--> Eevee
Wish: Togetic-->Skitty-->Eevee
Since smeargle can sketch curse & wish and breed with eevee, it is possible.

Flying Tropius
26th October 2005, 8:58 PM
thx for info. It is great!
(one heck of a long list.....)

Eglice
26th October 2005, 9:56 PM
I got a question... I got a male smeargle with fisure, and a female Hondour with the ever stone... Can the Hondour learn fisure??? And i got a question... when you pass the atack it is with it in level 5 or you must lvl up??

TRJessie579
26th October 2005, 10:21 PM
Houndour can't learn Fissure. It isn't one of its Egg Moves, it doesn't learn it by leveling up, and it's not a TM/HM. Pokemon can ONLY inherit moves if they're one of these three.

When a move is passed on, the baby will be born knowing the move.

DARKDESTINY
28th October 2005, 10:31 AM
can bagon learn outrage?

Whompithian
29th October 2005, 12:49 AM
can bagon learn outrage?
The main site says no (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/371.shtml). The main site also answers quicker than I do.

Expert Evan
31st October 2005, 8:29 PM
Here's something I don't seem to understand: In emerald version, I have an adamant female zubat holding everstone or a jolly female zubat holding everstone, and breed either one with a ditto not holding anything (naughty nature with flawless attack & speed), and what seems to happen is almost all of the 40 hatchings so far have been of a different nature (ie. lax, relaxed, naive, quiet, etc...) and maybe only one or two may be adamant or jolly. Is zubat somewhat of an exception of using the everstone or am I just having rare bad luck?

For now, I will be breeding a male mild zubat with flawless attack & speed with a jolly ditto holding everstone with flawless attack.

TRJessie579
31st October 2005, 8:58 PM
I believe (but don't quote me) that, when passing on Natures, the female can pass their Nature on (with the Everstone) when being bred with a male, but when breeding with Ditto, the Everstone/Nature passing will ONLY work with Ditto, even if it's being bred with a female.

Maybe try giving the Ditto the Everstone and see if you get a lot of Naughty Eggs? I should do a study, but I don't have that kind of time. XD

Expert Evan
31st October 2005, 9:24 PM
so far by breeding a mild male zubat with a jolly ditto holding everstone has yielded 2 out of 5 jolly offsprings which is still far better than 1 out of 40 of same nature. Looks like I'll have to keep searching for a ditto with flawless attack & speed of either adamant or jolly from my Fr/Lg games if I'm lucky.

The nice thing I noticed about breeding with dittos from a different OT is even its improved offsprings can breed with it until I get the desired IVs

captainj
2nd November 2005, 6:41 AM
Here's something I don't seem to understand: In emerald version, I have an adamant female zubat holding everstone or a jolly female zubat holding everstone, and breed either one with a ditto not holding anything (naughty nature with flawless attack & speed), and what seems to happen is almost all of the 40 hatchings so far have been of a different nature (ie. lax, relaxed, naive, quiet, etc...) and maybe only one or two may be adamant or jolly. Is zubat somewhat of an exception of using the everstone or am I just having rare bad luck?

For now, I will be breeding a male mild zubat with flawless attack & speed with a jolly ditto holding everstone with flawless attack.
It's not only for Zubat. It also happened to me a few times. I am sure sometimes the trick is 100% not work. I knew it also happened to some other people but no one knew why. Just save before putting the eggs in day care. Then if the trick not works, reset and it may work the next time.

Expert Evan
2nd November 2005, 1:52 PM
Now here's a summary of a more recent series of breedings which yielded about 90 hatchings until I got the crobat I most desired:

First, I put in the daycare a male L100 crobat that knew haze, shadow ball, aerial ace & sludge bomb with a naughty ditto with flawless attack & speed. After about 10 hatchings, I got an impish male zubat with flawless attack & speed and taught it hidden power along with its inherited TM moves since smogon recommended HP Ground or HP Fighting in its moveset guide. I therefore replaced crobat & ditto with this impish zubat along with an adamant zubat with flawless attack and holding everstone that was originally captured as L14 in altering cave. It took about 40 - 50 hatchings until I got a female adamant zubat with flawless attack & speed, but since I had that one other requirement of hidden power being either ground or fighting and it hardly did any damage to a wild whismur, I attempted to do something I thought could not be possible as I saved the game before doing so, and that was replacing the female zubat with flawless attack with this offspring that had both flawless attack & speed. To my surprise, it worked as the father and daughter seemed to get along and went on to make more eggs. Should I call this incest? Anyways, this saved me the task of having to go through another series of complicated steps to get an adamant zubat with flawless attack & speed that was not related. About 30 hatchings later and almost getting ready to call it the day, I had hatched 2 adamant offsprings with flawless attack & speed, and went along a trail where there were wild electrikes & gulpins and noticed immediately one of the offsprings was super effective against them which led me to believe its hidden power was that of a ground type.

To make certain this was true, I setup a secret base with a L29 kecleon that only knew screech and brought both zubats for the test. Sure enough, the zubat I was curious about made kecleon's color change to ground while the other made kecleon's color change to dragon (later nicknamed that zubat as DRAGONBAT, lol), so I went on to EV train the zubat with the ground HP even though it was rated as better-than-average even with its flawless attack & speed and very high HP. While it would easily evolved into golbat then crobat at the next level after giving it 10 protein & 10 carbos, and a few hondew & grepa berry to reduce its special EVs after facing the kecleon and gardevoirs. I noticed that while its hp ground seemed rather strong, its aerial ace was still more damaging to a wild intimidating mightyena probably because of STAB anyways.

After all was said and done, I was able to determine that its HP ground had a base power of 57 based on the following IVs:

30 HP
31 attack
21 defense
31 speed
0 special attack (LOL)
6 special defense

While 57 is nowhere near a 70, it is still higher than an average if hidden power can range anywhere from 30-70 as I am hopeful this crobat will help me further succeed in the battle frontier.

I had recently raised a jolly crobat with flawless attack & speed as it did not disappoint in the battle arena rounds 36-42. It only fainted to a tentacruel which heracross' earthquake was able to finish it up. Maybe HP ground with a 57 power along with a 31 attack can OHKO a tentacruel or more hopefully OHKO the likes of a jolteon, arcanine, or other pesky electric or fire or most poison types.

Having recognizing the need for either an adamant ditto from a different OT that had either flawless attack and/or speed I may start breeding for male pokemon with such traits and use them when needed. Time will tell.

captainj
3rd November 2005, 1:24 AM
HP ground with 57 power cannot OHKO pokemon that are weak to ground. Total power = 57 * 2 (super effective) = 114. Sludgebomb's power = 90 * 1.5 = 135 > 114. If Sludgebomb cannot OHKO Jolteon, Arcanine, etc., HP ground also cannot OHKO them.

However, 57 power is okay. Consider you were against a steel type. The strongest attack of Crobat is Aerial Ace or Fly (Fly's power =70 * 1.5(STAB) / 2 (not effective) = 52.5). HP ground does more damage than any other attacks anyway. Similarly it is also true for rock and poison types if they are not part flying and do not have levitate.

Expert Evan
4th November 2005, 4:59 PM
In a recent trip to the battle tower rounds 8-14, crobat was able to do more than 50% damage with HP ground to a lanturn before it fainted to thunderbolt as heracross was able to finish it off with the more effective earthquake attack. Taking the idea of using a gardevoir for the battle arena, it took another series of hatchings until both parents had flawless IVs for at least speed & special attack which is a bit tedious at first but then it seems to catch on after awhile as the probability of inheriting the IVs gets better when both parents have the same flawless IVs.

For future breeding purposes, I intend to involve a modest male tauros that has flawless IVs for HP/Attack/Speed and knows earthquake/return/HP/IronTail to pass them on to the likes of smeargle and teddiursa on an as needed basis and will probably replace the female pokemon with the one that has more flawless IVs than the previous one.

I don't think I'll use Hidden Power as its base power as learned through crobat can vary in range and may not even be worth it after all, which makes me wonder if for Ursaring whether I should use Brick Break instead of the suggested HP Ghost since the most annoying pokemon in battle frontier are the normal types like blissey & snorlax.

Dunsparce
11th November 2005, 12:42 AM
You need to add chains for Tentacool's and Zubat's other Egg Moves not listed in this thread:

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/041.shtml
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/072.shtml

Edit: Oh, and Chains for getting Wish on Plusle and Minun.

.::Escalator::.
11th November 2005, 5:44 PM
Can I breed an Extreme Speed Arcanine w/ Linnone for a ES Zigzagoon?
Can I breed a False Swipe Farfetch'd w/ Altaria for a FS Swablu?

Expert Evan
11th November 2005, 5:59 PM
Can I breed an Extreme Speed Arcanine w/ Linnone for a ES Zigzagoon?
Can I breed a False Swipe Farfetch'd w/ Altaria for a FS Swablu?
So far as I know, that cannot be possible since these moves are only available through pokemon box for these pokemon, just like Pichu would normally not be able to learn surf. You can be my guest to try breeding them to verify this.

Poliwhirl
13th November 2005, 1:06 AM
good info i have a bad egg with an item

PokeMaster JOE
15th November 2005, 1:02 PM
What do bad eggs do exactly, i have heard rumours , thats all.?
This may seem like a noobish question, but wouldn't a level 100 and level 27 heracross have better breading results than two level 27's? And if so wouldn't the statistics be easily recognisable, allot higher, or would there be little differences until EV trained to level 100, than compared to the parent level 100?
Thanks.

Dragon trainer
15th November 2005, 5:36 PM
is there any other way to breed curse onto mudkip since i only have emerald. I intended for it to have an imphish nature with a moveset of curse/surf/earthquake/filler

also if i breed treecko with bagon that learnt both dragonbreath and crunch would the treecko know both or just one ? i intend my future treecko to know these two moves plus thunderpunch and leaf blade.

and thank you for your advice and help. and thanks for the lovely list shining mew!

.::Escalator::.
15th November 2005, 5:43 PM
What do bad eggs do exactly, i have heard rumours , thats all.?
This may seem like a noobish question, but wouldn't a level 100 and level 27 heracross have better breading results than two level 27's? And if so wouldn't the statistics be easily recognisable, allot higher, or would there be little differences until EV trained to level 100, than compared to the parent level 100?
Thanks.

-When you cheat, you get a bad egg. When it hatches, it corrupts your game.

-I dont understand the question. If you mean passing on IVs to a baby Herecross, then not nessecarily. Hatch hundreds of thousands of heracross. take each one to the master breeder and him examine their IVs. Continues this until he says it's quite immpressive and has a flawless attack stat. continue onto EV training.
Use Adamant.


is there any other way to breed curse onto mudkip since i only have emerald. I intended for it to have an imphish nature with a moveset of curse/surf/earthquake/filler

also if i breed treecko with bagon that learnt both dragonbreath and crunch would the treecko know both or just one ? i intend my future treecko to know these two moves plus thunderpunch and leaf blade.

and thank you for your advice and help. and thanks for the lovely list shining mew!

-Male Torkoal w/Curse X Female Rhyhorn = Male Cursing Rhyhorn
Cursing Rhyhorn X Female Swampert/Marshtomp/Mudkip = Cursing Mudkip
Use Brave

-Both, but I suggest you use HP:Ice (TM) or Dragon Claw (TM) over Dragon Breath. Modest/Timid

Dragon trainer
15th November 2005, 5:54 PM
i dont intend to use HP ingame and i only have emerald and IIRC rhyhorn is not in emerald so i cant use that breeding, i wanted to know whetever or not there is another breeding line for curse for cursing mudkip

.::Escalator::.
15th November 2005, 6:01 PM
Rhyhorn is in Emerald, but if dont want use it, than
Slowpoke/Bro/King (Use Move Relearner) w/ Curse X Mudkip

Dragon trainer
15th November 2005, 6:06 PM
oops .:Escalculator::. i mistake sory and thanks

yes now i can also get a rock sliding torchic and a crush clawing cyndaquil as well

.::Escalator::.
15th November 2005, 6:23 PM
Prelase refrain from calling me .::Escalculator::., it's .::Escalator::..

And you only have Emerald so not crush clawing cyndaquil, in fact no Cyndaquil. Period. Sorry...

Wyndigo
15th November 2005, 7:29 PM
Can Nidorina breed with... Anyone?
I've gotten Nidorino to breed with Ditto, but Nidorina absolutely refuses to mate with anything. I've tried just about every male pokemon I own.
Of course I won't need to breed my Nidorina if someone confirms I can get female Nidoran from Nidorino.

wozfe
15th November 2005, 8:07 PM
If it is the father who passes the moves, then how could you normally breed egg moves onto a pokemon that is always male?

I've heard of of an exception when it comes to volbeat and nidoran male.
Can you explain this better?

.::Escalator::.
15th November 2005, 8:17 PM
If it is the father who passes the moves, then how could you normally breed egg moves onto a pokemon that is always male?

I've heard of of an exception when it comes to volbeat and nidoran male.
Can you explain this better?

And the Hitmon line. For Volbeat and Nidoran, you breed the male pokemon with the desired move with [Illumise/Nidoran F]. Since you have a 50% chance of the new egg hatcthing into [Volbeat/Nidoran M], You should get the [gender] you want eventually.

As for the hitmon's, you breed the Hitmon with the desired move (Hi Jump Kick/Mach Punch/Triple Kick/Foresight??/Rapid Spin??) with Ditto. The offspring will have the desired egg move.

TRJessie579
15th November 2005, 8:55 PM
Nidorina and Nidoqueen are in the "No Eggs" group.

This info is also on the main site.

PokeMaster JOE
16th November 2005, 11:49 AM
So Escalator, where is the master breeder, i have completed emerald once ,but not all the pokemon captured, so i have forgotten where he is to my best knowledge?
Thanks.

Volteon
16th November 2005, 4:21 PM
So Escalator, where is the master breeder, i have completed emerald once ,but not all the pokemon captured, so i have forgotten where he is to my best knowledge?
Thanks.

can I answer this?
well, the legendary breeder master is in the battle frontier in the house behind the pokemon center.

there is a oldman there, when you talk with him you&#180;ll show a pokemon..... ah!, use this thread that I made months ago, click in this link to go there (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=78341)

PokeMaster JOE
16th November 2005, 4:40 PM
Ok thanks, i am only at the safari atm , so.

Volteon
16th November 2005, 5:44 PM
oh, I forgot to write, congratulations shiningmew! this thread is so useful, that I&#180;m printing it right now, thank you and good job!

Wyndigo
17th November 2005, 7:35 PM
Then why the heck do they have egg moves if they can't breed with anything? The fact that they are on the list suggested to me that they could breed with other pokemon, which is why I didn't check the main site.

I'm not trying to be uppity, just trying to let you see my logic.

TRJessie579
17th November 2005, 7:42 PM
Nidoran (F) can breed. It's just that its two evolutions can't.

Powerful_Blaziken88
20th November 2005, 7:20 PM
You might want to update the list, since the new and improved pok&#233;dex is up with previously missing egg moves now listed, but they're not in your list. I can help assemble a list starting next weekend.

But for now, what's the chain to get Flail to Doduo?

Hibernation God
21st November 2005, 10:02 PM
I don't know if this is supposed to be here (I'm new) but...can I breed my male Hitmonlee with a ditto to get a trouge? cos I've been waitin' ages for the egg and there isn't one...oh and the day-care man says they don't like each other much.

DARKDESTINY
21st November 2005, 10:13 PM
they'll make an egg eventually,it just takes "time"...

Zealot
23rd November 2005, 10:40 PM
can ditto breed with a male?

king krab kingler
23rd November 2005, 10:45 PM
Yes ditto can breed with male pokemon,although I have had some males who can't,I had a hitmonchan which wouldn't.

Zealot
23rd November 2005, 11:44 PM
do you think it can with eevee?

TRJessie579
24th November 2005, 12:07 AM
Ditto can breed with ANY AND EVERY POKEMON unless they are in the No Eggs group. Period. Here's a list of the Pokemon that can't breed at all:

http://www.psypokes.com/dex/search.php?type=egggroup&egggroup=no+eggs

Ditto can breed with males, females, genderless. If the man at the Daycare says that your Ditto and Hitmonchan "don't seem to like each other," this means that they WILL breed. It just may take longer.

The ONLY time two Pokemon won't breed, if they are incompatible, is when the old man says "they prefer to play with other Pokemon."

Zealot
24th November 2005, 12:14 AM
ok, thank you

king krab kingler
24th November 2005, 12:53 AM
Yeah whatever!
They don't breed when the man says ''they don't seem to like each other''

TRJessie579
24th November 2005, 1:10 AM
Yeah whatever!
They don't breed when the man says ''they don't seem to like each other''

That's not true. They will breed, it just takes longer. You have to be patient.

The message you get, and how long two Pokemon take to breed, depend on their species and ID number.

Different IDs and Same Species = Fast "The two seem to get along very well."
Different IDs and Different Species OR Same IDs and Same Species = Medium "The two seem to get along."
Same IDs and Different Species = Slow "The two don't seem to like each other."

If you're on FireRed/LeafGreen and you're trying to breed Ditto and Hitmonchan, chances are they're from the same game, so they have the same ID number and therefore you'll get the last message. It'll take more steps than, say, two Eevee from different games.

Mikau
24th November 2005, 7:39 AM
Ummm....Under Growlithe's egg moves it says it can get Body Slam from a Miltank, But Miltanks are only females so that can't happen.

Jetx
24th November 2005, 7:44 AM
Ummm....Under Growlithe's egg moves it says it can get Body Slam from a Miltank, But Miltanks are only females so that can't happen.
Are you sure that's off miltank? Almost every pokemon can learn it by move tutor so the solution is to get another pokemon that learns it.

PUrEHearT
25th November 2005, 1:37 PM
i dont know if this was already mentioned but... you can get hypnosis on feebas by just breeding it with a poliwag or poliwag family, rather than spinda to psyduck to feebas

Evanji Axu
25th November 2005, 2:03 PM
Additions:

- One can breed Leech Seed onto Tropius through Cacnea/Cacturne
- One can breed Nature Power onto Tropius through the Seedot line
- One can breed Destiny Bond and Safeguard onto Ralts through Wobbuffet.



...WTF? No Cyndaquil!? *cries* I'll have to go find some other Pokemon fans (fat chance of that happening, and I don't even have a freaking cable) because my folks wouldn't let me get all 3 versions. That'd be flat-out spoiling.

.::Escalator::.
25th November 2005, 5:31 PM
i dont know if this was already mentioned but... you can get hypnosis on feebas by just breeding it with a poliwag or poliwag family, rather than spinda to psyduck to feebas


R/S/E FAQs
OMFG you can catch poliwag in R/S/E?

Finnmonster
26th November 2005, 1:27 PM
Here's another way to get Wish on Eevee in FR/LG if you can't trade Skitty from other versions:

Togetic--> Pikachu--> Eevee

.Person.
27th November 2005, 8:47 AM
This healps.

Thanke you.

Dunsparce
27th November 2005, 10:15 PM
Here's another way to get Wish on Eevee in FR/LG if you can't trade Skitty from other versions:

Togetic--> Pikachu--> Eevee

I just Bred my Female Eevee with a Male Smeargle with Wish, Bite, and Baton Pass so I could evolve it right away and still have Bite and Baton Pass available.

Expert Evan
29th November 2005, 4:55 PM
OMFG you can catch poliwag in R/S/E?
poliwag/whirl/wrath had to be traded from Fr/Lg to breed with feebas for hypnosis as that was how I got my wonderfully outstanding milotic that earned me my first gold symbol when its surf took down moltres.

PUrEHearT
29th November 2005, 9:59 PM
I thought the breeding list applied to all the games sorry... well since this list only applies for R/S/E i guess my earlier post is useless

.::Escalator::.
29th November 2005, 11:52 PM
poliwag/whirl/wrath had to be traded from Fr/Lg to breed with feebas for hypnosis as that was how I got my wonderfully outstanding milotic that earned me my first gold symbol when its surf took down moltres.


Did I really have to post the '[/sarcasm]' tag?


I thought the breeding list applied to all the games sorry... well since this list only applies for R/S/E i guess my earlier post is useless

It does, but I'm guessing it goes like this:
First they scan hoenn and see if you can breed moves from a Hoenn pokemon
If not, they go on to Johto.
Finnaly, they go onto Kanto

Atleast I think that's what they do...

And remember that it was made by different people, so your chain might be different from the one in this thread.

batman124617
30th November 2005, 4:34 AM
Is it possible to breed multiple TMs or learned moves from multiple breeding chains to a pokemon? I want to breed a slowbro that has shadow ball, earthquake, flamethrower, and surf, but I can't figure out how to get all of these moves on to the guy without using my TMs. I know I can breed over one move...currently I'm working on shadow ball (sableye-illumise-masquerin-slowbro) but how do I get more moves on to it? Thanks!

TRJessie579
30th November 2005, 5:00 AM
That's a tough one...

Surf you don't have to worry about, it's an HM and you have an unlimited supply to teach.

Flamethrower can be purchased at the Game Corner, so it would be a lot easier for you to just buy one. Chain-breeding two moves (if it's possible) is hard enough, three is just a nightmare.

I'm checking the site now for what Pokemon can learn what, so I'll edit this in a few minutes if I can come up with anything, but I'll tell you right now that Smeargle would help, a LOT. :D

EDIT: Okay, I've checked every single Pokemon that learns both moves, and even with Smeargle, I can't find a chain. Sorry. ;_; You'll have to use up a TM.

GoldenUmbreon
3rd December 2005, 12:46 PM
i have a question, is it possible for corpfish to learn crunch trough breeding?

and so yes, how?

ive been hatching some corpfish with: surf/ice beam/brick break when i was breeding it with my swampert, but i would like to have crunch on it too...if its possible

TRJessie579
3rd December 2005, 6:50 PM
Corphish learns Crunch at LV 43. To get it on him by breeding, both parents need to know the move.

PokeMaster JOE
4th December 2005, 1:31 PM
Ok i have a question,regarding my exeggute. Both are quite impressive in abilities and have flawless attack. Would it be best to breed with a ditto or breed 2 exeggutes together, as i am after better IV's. Whats the difference when breeding with a ditto??

Powerful_Blaziken88
5th December 2005, 8:50 PM
What's the chain to get Flail to Doduo?

Expert Evan
5th December 2005, 9:22 PM
Ok i have a question,regarding my exeggute. Both are quite impressive in abilities and have flawless attack. Would it be best to breed with a ditto or breed 2 exeggutes together, as i am after better IV's. Whats the difference when breeding with a ditto??
I'd keep breeding with the exeggutes and if any offspring has better stats, replace the parent with that one.


What's the chain to get Flail to Doduo?
zigzagoon/spinda/smeargle -> farfetch'd -> doduo

Evanji Axu
6th December 2005, 1:53 AM
If you breed an Illumise with a non-Volbeat, can you get a Volbeat from the egg? I tried this...4 Illumise in a row T_T

SerenadeSP
7th December 2005, 2:42 AM
If you breed an Illumise with a non-Volbeat, can you get a Volbeat from the egg? I tried this...4 Illumise in a row T_T
Nope,Voltbeat has to be one of the parents otherwise there is no possible way to get a Voltbeat.

Finnmonster
7th December 2005, 5:23 PM
Hey mateys? Could someone repeat how I can get both Nidoran genders using only the female one, or is it like the Volbeat thing above (can't get both genders w/o both genders)?

Evanji Axu
7th December 2005, 8:25 PM
...Oh, bullhockey.

Anyway, is it possible to get a female if you breed the male to a Ditto? In Silver, I got 2 female Eevees from my Umbreon this way.

And for the Nidos...in Silver, I got a male from breeding a female to my Mareep, but I dunno about RSE.

Miksaid
8th December 2005, 12:25 AM
Is it impossible to get a Skarmory with Drill Peck and Whirlwind? A Gamefaqs moveset guide gave me that as a possibility but perhaps it is unattainable.

Assassin8
10th December 2005, 7:51 PM
ok.i bred a kekleon and a phanphy and i got a phanphy wit no ancient power why?

TRJessie579
10th December 2005, 10:13 PM
ok.i bred a kekleon and a phanphy and i got a phanphy wit no ancient power why?

The Kecleon needs to know the move in order for it to be passed down.

Lord wackruntlje
11th December 2005, 8:28 AM
Is it possible to breed Swords dance down to Nincada?

Powerful_Blaziken88
12th December 2005, 8:24 PM
If you breed an Illumise with a non-Volbeat, can you get a Volbeat from the egg? I tried this...4 Illumise in a row T_T
I may be wrong but I think you can. I know you can't get an Illumise by breeding a Volbeat and Ditto, but if Illumise is involved I think it's possible. Don't know about Illumise with Ditto though.

P.S. Thanks for the chain, Expert Evan.

Rainbow★Latias
18th December 2005, 2:59 AM
If two eggs hatches at the same time...

Is it possible?

Jelly♥Winry
19th December 2005, 1:22 PM
If two eggs hatches at the same time...

Is it possible?
yes. I made a 5 egg party (because you need atleast 1 Pokemon) and each time i got an egg, I done the same route to the PC. They all were the same (Arons) so I went around trying to Hatch Them. When their steps were done, they hatched like this:

Party Before:
Blaziken
Egg
Egg
Egg
Egg
Egg

Party after 1st Hatch
Blaziken
Aron (m)
Egg
Egg
Egg
Egg

then I thought another egg would hatch, but it didn't. All their steps were at 0 and I stepped one step and another Hatched

Party after 2nd Hatch
Blaziken
Aron (m)
Aron (m)
Egg
Egg
Egg

I bet you see a pattern now, don't you? The eggs are all hatching in Party Order! so, it continues until no more eggs are hatched.

Simple answer to your question: No, one hatches 1st then 1 step later the other hatechs IN PARTY ORDER!

And Lord wackruntlje, No.


Nincada
1. Endure: Heracross-->Nincada
2. Faint Attack: Trapinch-->Nincada
3. Gust: Beautifly-->Nincada
4. Silver Wind: Beautifly-->Nincada

It doesn't learn Swords Dance Via eggs moves, but if the father has Swords Dance, proberly

Expert Evan
21st December 2005, 8:15 PM
Here's a recent recap of a series of breedings which involved roselias and chanseys:

- careful male roselia with flawless defense
- impish ditto with flawless hp

After over 30 hatchings:

replaced ditto with a female roselia with flawless hp/defense

After another 20 hatchings:

replaced male roselia with another with flawless defense/sp.def

After another 20 hatchings, this led to the following offspring:

gentle male roselia with flawless hp/defense/sp.def/speed

This roselia was raised up to level 54 so it can learn aromatherapy and so it got paired with a bold chansey with flawless HP

After about 15 hatchings:

replaced chansey with another bold chansey with flawless hp/sp.def

After about 10 hatchings came a dream bold chansey with natural cure as it was flawless in hp/defense/sp.def and 27IV in speed. it was considered impressive in abilities due to its 4IV in attack which I really don't care about, so I've been raising this one up to level 100 and have replaced the other chansey with this one for continued breeding for some more chanseys for level 50 purposes. So far 2 wonderfully outstanding chanseys with flawless defense/sp.def have been hatched and may use them if their hp is outstanding enough at least as I intend to use one for battle tower so it can stall latios in its tracks.

Neo
23rd December 2005, 6:51 PM
Is there an easier way to get Wish onto Eevee than going Togetic --> Skitty --> Eevee???

.::Escalator::.
23rd December 2005, 8:45 PM
Smeargle->Eevee

Expert Evan
28th December 2005, 8:45 PM
Here's a rather complex way to chain-breed aerial ace from swellow to nincada:

swellow -> swablu -> treecko -> tropius -> paras -> nincada

Unfortunately since only masquerain, beautifly & dustox can learn silver wind and cannot learn aerial ace as a TM as a surskit or wurmple, I had to teach masquerain the aerial ace move once it got to level 53.

Char1016
8th January 2006, 2:51 PM
I breed a Charizard with Ditto, got a Charmander knowing these moves:
Flamthrower
Dig
Scratch
Growl
Charizard knew these moves while breeding:
Flamethrower
Blast Burn
Dig
Earthquake

TRJessie579
8th January 2006, 5:50 PM
That is because any TM moves the father knows, that the baby can learn, will be passed down.

Char1016
8th January 2006, 9:08 PM
But Charizard didn't learn Flamethrower with TM, he learned it at er...I don't know which level.
But anyways, I understand, Flamethrower is a TM Move.

DARKDESTINY
9th January 2006, 4:21 AM
does an affliction affect breeding in any way?

Whompithian
10th January 2006, 1:11 AM
does an affliction affect breeding in any way?
No. Putting a Pokemon in the Daycare is just like putting it in the Box. All status effects, except for Pokerus, will be cleared, and Pokerus does not affect breeding.

DARKDESTINY
10th January 2006, 4:06 AM
No. Putting a Pokemon in the Daycare is just like putting it in the Box. All status effects, except for Pokerus, will be cleared, and Pokerus does not affect breeding.
oka,thanks

obada
10th January 2006, 3:16 PM
in the breeding list why can't we get a pidgey with sky attack??I think he is supposed to know it.

TRJessie579
10th January 2006, 9:11 PM
Nope, the Pidgey family can't learn it at all. Here are the ones who can:

http://www.serebii.net/attackdex/skyattack.shtml

Dunsparce
11th January 2006, 2:28 AM
Slugma gets Heat Wave

Zubat gets Faint Attack, Gust, Whirlwind, and Curse

Tentacool gets Aurora Beam, Rapid Spin, Haze, and Safeguard

Those attacks were NOT listed in the Chains.

Slugma obviously gets Heat Wave from Torkoal :P

obada
11th January 2006, 5:54 AM
Nope, the Pidgey family can't learn it at all. Here are the ones who can:

http://www.serebii.net/attackdex/skyattack.shtml

thank's. I also tried it ,it didn't learn it .

PikaPikaChu
15th January 2006, 5:49 PM
Nope, the Pidgey family can't learn it at all. Here are the ones who can:

http://www.serebii.net/attackdex/skyattack.shtml

Actualy, they "can" but not by egg move, but via XD move tutor

Twitch
15th January 2006, 6:28 PM
;227; I might actually try for a Horsea w/ Splash, just for the sheer lol-on-a-stickness of it. :p Wish me luck!

Expert Evan
16th January 2006, 6:30 PM
This may seem off-topic but I notice in Pokemon XD that the pokemon snagged there know moves not normally taught in GBA. For example, salamence already knows dragon dance and aerial ace, so if you have a male, then there's no need to chain breed from swellow to altaria to bagon. Spearow also knows false swipe and zangoose knows refresh and brick break. Once I trade all of them down from XD, I'll evaluate which ones may seem to be the most useful for breeding purposes towards other pokemon. I understand these non-TM moves cannot be taught to their same kind at least.

TRJessie579
16th January 2006, 7:15 PM
This was the same in Colosseum, where the majority of Pokemon knew a TM move that was very useful for breeding purposes.

If you have the time and patience to get all male Shadow Pokes it would be great, but... :/

feebas_factor
17th January 2006, 3:01 AM
I don' think this has been aked yet...

I know that TM moves can be passed on by male pokemon (i.e. a pokemon that was taught earthquake has an egg, the newborn pokemon knows earthquake as well). But what if a pokemon learns a move by leveling up that is also a TM move? (ie. sableye learns shadowball, diglett learns dig). Can these pseudo-TM moves be passed on to any pokemon that can learn the TM of the move, as if it were an actual TM you used in the first place? Also, if you use a TM on a female pokemon, is there someway to chain breed it out, or is it lost forever?

TRJessie579
17th January 2006, 3:15 AM
If the Pokemon can learn the TM, regardless of whether it can learn it by level or not, it will be passed down. So yes.

TMs on females don't do you any good, unfortunately. It can't be bred onto the baby.

Evanji Axu
17th January 2006, 4:03 PM
^ If your girlie Pokemon is level 40ish, you COULD put the move on a male Smeargle and go from there...

Expert Evan
17th January 2006, 4:15 PM
^ If your girlie Pokemon is level 40ish, you COULD put the move on a male Smeargle and go from there...
So long as its lowest form of evolution at hatching can learn it as a torchic cannot learn earthquake even if both parents know it. Same goes with move tutor moves unfortunately as I know it'd be nice to have aerodactyls that already know double edge.

MetalKid
21st January 2006, 4:46 AM
Is it impossible to get a Skarmory with Drill Peck and Whirlwind? A Gamefaqs moveset guide gave me that as a possibility but perhaps it is unattainable.

It isn't possible.

MetalKid
21st January 2006, 4:54 AM
Is it possible to breed multiple TMs or learned moves from multiple breeding chains to a pokemon? I want to breed a slowbro that has shadow ball, earthquake, flamethrower, and surf, but I can't figure out how to get all of these moves on to the guy without using my TMs. I know I can breed over one move...currently I'm working on shadow ball (sableye-illumise-masquerin-slowbro) but how do I get more moves on to it? Thanks!

You can't combine anything worth while. Either you breed on shadow ball by itself and use the TM for EQ and FT:
The following chains are for Slowbro with move(s): Shadow Ball

Nincada (Shadow Ball - Evolve) > Surskit > Slowbro
Sableye (Shadow Ball - Lv.41) > Volbeat > Surskit > Slowbro
Sableye (Shadow Ball - Lv.41) > Spinda > Whismur > Slowbro
Shuppet (Shadow Ball - Lv.44) > Castform > Snubbull > Whismur > Slowbro
Shuppet (Shadow Ball - Lv.44) > Castform > Skitty > Whismur > Slowbro
Nincada (Shadow Ball - Evolve) > Volbeat > Spinda > Whismur > Slowbro
Haunter (Shadow Ball - Lv.45 (F/L)) > Castform > Snubbull > Whismur > Slowbro
Haunter (Shadow Ball - Lv.45 (F/L)) > Castform > Skitty > Whismur > Slowbro
Gengar (Shadow Ball - Lv.45 (F/L)) > Castform > Snubbull > Whismur > Slowbro
Gengar (Shadow Ball - Lv.45 (F/L)) > Castform > Skitty > Whismur > Slowbro
Gastly (Shadow Ball - Lv.36 (F/L)) > Castform > Snubbull > Whismur > Slowbro
Gastly (Shadow Ball - Lv.36 (F/L)) > Castform > Skitty > Whismur > Slowbro
Banette (Shadow Ball - Lv.48) > Castform > Snubbull > Whismur > Slowbro
Banette (Shadow Ball - Lv.48) > Castform > Skitty > Whismur > Slowbro

or, you can get both FT and EQ bred on and use the Shadow Ball TM:

Vulpix (Flamethrower - Lv.29) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Vulpix (Flamethrower - Lv.29) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Typhlosion (Flamethrower - Lv.60) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Typhlosion (Flamethrower - Lv.60) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Torkoal (Flamethrower - Lv.30) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Torkoal (Flamethrower - Lv.30) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Torchic (Flamethrower - Lv.43) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Torchic (Flamethrower - Lv.43) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Quilava (Flamethrower - Lv.54) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Quilava (Flamethrower - Lv.54) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Numel (Flamethrower - Lv.41) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Numel (Flamethrower - Lv.41) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Ninetales (Flamethrower - Lv.01) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Ninetales (Flamethrower - Lv.01) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Houndour (Flamethrower - Lv.43) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Houndour (Flamethrower - Lv.43) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Houndoom (Flamethrower - Lv.51) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Houndoom (Flamethrower - Lv.51) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Growlithe (Flamethrower - Lv.49) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Growlithe (Flamethrower - Lv.49) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Flareon (Flamethrower - Lv.52) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Flareon (Flamethrower - Lv.52) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Eevee (Flamethrower - Evolve) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Eevee (Flamethrower - Evolve) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Cyndaquil (Flamethrower - Lv.46) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Cyndaquil (Flamethrower - Lv.46) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Combusken (Flamethrower - Lv.01) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Combusken (Flamethrower - Lv.01) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Charmeleon (Flamethrower - Lv.34) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Charmeleon (Flamethrower - Lv.34) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Charmander (Flamethrower - Lv.31) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Charmander (Flamethrower - Lv.31) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Charizard (Flamethrower - Lv.34) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Charizard (Flamethrower - Lv.34) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Camerupt (Flamethrower - Lv.01) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Camerupt (Flamethrower - Lv.01) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Blaziken (Flamethrower - Lv.01) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Blaziken (Flamethrower - Lv.01) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro
Arcanine (Flamethrower - Lv.01) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowbro
Arcanine (Flamethrower - Lv.01) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowbro

9voltdude
21st January 2006, 3:54 PM
what does everstone do with breeding?

MetalKid
21st January 2006, 6:08 PM
I believe it makes the egg have the nature of its mother.

price
21st January 2006, 6:17 PM
I don't think this has been ask.
I was trying to breed my male shuppet with my female Graverdia (I know that is spelled wrong)for wal-o-whisp.When I cheacked with the man he sad that they don't like each other.What am I doing wrong.

Expert Evan
21st January 2006, 6:50 PM
I don't think this has been ask.
I was trying to breed my male shuppet with my female Graverdia (I know that is spelled wrong)for wal-o-whisp.When I cheacked with the man he sad that they don't like each other.What am I doing wrong.
That's normal if they are both from OT (Original Trainer) and as different pokemon as it only takes a little longer to receive an egg from them.

Clockwork Ninja
21st January 2006, 6:59 PM
The bad thing is, you can't breed genderless pkmn for moves =( its a bit of a rip off because Beldum takes over 10,000 steps to hatch BUT you gain nuthin beneficial from it >=(

price
21st January 2006, 10:32 PM
Thanks Expert evan for the help.

the 3 starters
22nd January 2006, 2:02 AM
I want to breed my electabuzz with my jynx to make my electabuzz learn ice punch. How can you get an elekid to learn ice punch? I don't think it works because jynx is always female. Or can it work?

Expert Evan
22nd January 2006, 2:23 AM
I want to breed my electabuzz with my jynx to make my electabuzz learn ice punch. How can you get an elekid to learn ice punch? I don't think it works because jynx is always female. Or can it work?
cannot work with a female, best to get a male medicham from ruby or sapphire and it can learn any of the 3 elemental punches through the move tutor to breed for one. In emerald, the 3 elemental punches can be taught at 48 battle points each.

TotalPotato
22nd January 2006, 12:41 PM
cannot work with a female, best to get a male medicham from ruby or sapphire and it can learn any of the 3 elemental punches through the move tutor to breed for one. In emerald, the 3 elemental punches can be taught at 48 battle points each.
That, or you could use Hitmonchan, who learns all three of the Elemental Punches at Level 26.

Tempest
23rd January 2006, 11:40 PM
I have a question, can a Heracross with Megahorn breed with a Ditto to get a Heracross offspring with Megahorn? I know about the guide but maybe it's different with Ditto as I hatched a Torchic with Flamethrower in one of my deleted games with a flamethrower Blaziken and a Ditto. Help is appreciated. TTFN!

TRJessie579
23rd January 2006, 11:52 PM
If you're breeding a male with a Ditto, the baby will still inherit moves (Egg Moves, TMs and HMs) from the father.

Megahorn won't pass down because it's a level-up move, but Flamethrower did because it's a TM move.

(Edited once I re-read your post. >>;; )

Tempest
24th January 2006, 1:28 AM
Thanks TRJess, guess I have to go catch and raise a male Heracross. I also have a forgotten question, is there a way to get a Heracross with rock slide without the FR/LG move tutor way? I just have Emerald and I'm not sure if I can get a rock slide Heracross, (I also don't want to spend so many BP).TTFN!

Blaziken God
24th January 2006, 11:30 AM
On the egg move chain, it says in the totodile section that nidoran female can be bred with totodile for crunch. I don't believe this is possible, as the resulting pokemon from this would be a nidoran, rather than the desired totodile with crunch!

Grymyrk
25th January 2006, 2:51 PM
are there any pokemon that naturally learn rest that could pass it on to a mudkip in order to get a slowking with rest and earthquake?

Foxbatty
25th January 2006, 3:02 PM
the only way to get rock slide without trading is to buy it at the bf.
what is the best nature for a swampert to have, i currently got impish but am not sure if it is beneficial to its attack.

EDIT: i tried timid nature and it seems better than impish but am still not sure.

MetalKid
26th January 2006, 11:04 PM
Here are some, but more exist:

Zigzagoon (Rest - Lv.37) > Wooper (Earthquake - Lv.36) > Slowking
Zigzagoon (Rest - Lv.37) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowking
Zigzagoon (Rest - Lv.37) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowking
Wooper (Earthquake - Lv.36) > Spheal (Rest - Lv.37) > Slowking
Wooper (Earthquake - Lv.36) > Relicanth (Rest - Lv.50) > Slowking
Whismur (Rest - Lv.41) > Wooper (Earthquake - Lv.36) > Slowking
Whismur (Rest - Lv.41) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowking
Whismur (Rest - Lv.41) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowking
Whismur (Rest - Lv.41) > Mudkip (Earthquake - Evolve) > Slowking
Whismur (Rest - Lv.41) > Larvitar (Earthquake - Lv.50) > Slowking
Whiscash (Earthquake - Lv.36) > Relicanth (Rest - Lv.50) > Slowking
Walrein (Rest - Lv.39) > Wooper (Earthquake - Lv.36) > Slowking
Walrein (Rest - Lv.39) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowking
Walrein (Rest - Lv.39) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowking
Walrein (Rest - Lv.39) > Mudkip (Earthquake - Evolve) > Slowking
Wailord (Rest - Lv.37) > Wooper (Earthquake - Lv.36) > Slowking
Wailord (Rest - Lv.37) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowking
Wailord (Rest - Lv.37) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowking
Wailmer (Rest - Lv.37) > Wooper (Earthquake - Lv.36) > Slowking
Wailmer (Rest - Lv.37) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowking
Wailmer (Rest - Lv.37) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowking
Ursaring (Rest - Lv.31) > Wooper (Earthquake - Lv.36) > Slowking
Ursaring (Rest - Lv.31) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowking
Ursaring (Rest - Lv.31) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowking
Tyranitar (Earthquake - Lv.61) > Snorlax (Rest - Lv.Rest - Lv.28 (R/S/E)25 (F/L)) > Slowking
Teddiursa (Rest - Lv.31) > Wooper (Earthquake - Lv.36) > Slowking
Teddiursa (Rest - Lv.31) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowking
Teddiursa (Rest - Lv.31) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowking
Tauros (Rest - Lv.34) > Wooper (Earthquake - Lv.36) > Slowking
Tauros (Rest - Lv.34) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowking
Tauros (Rest - Lv.34) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowking
Swampert (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Spheal (Rest - Lv.37) > Slowking
Swampert (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Snorlax (Rest - Lv.Rest - Lv.28 (R/S/E)25 (F/L)) > Slowking
Swampert (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Relicanth (Rest - Lv.50) > Slowking
Spoink (Rest - Lv.37) > Wooper (Earthquake - Lv.36) > Slowking
Spoink (Rest - Lv.37) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowking
Spoink (Rest - Lv.37) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowking
Spheal (Rest - Lv.37) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowking
Spheal (Rest - Lv.37) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowking
Spheal (Rest - Lv.37) > Mudkip (Earthquake - Evolve) > Slowking
Snorlax (Rest - Lv.Rest - Lv.28 (R/S/E)25 (F/L)) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowking
Snorlax (Rest - Lv.Rest - Lv.28 (R/S/E)25 (F/L)) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowking
Snorlax (Rest - Lv.Rest - Lv.28 (R/S/E)25 (F/L)) > Mudkip (Earthquake - Evolve) > Slowking
Snorlax (Rest - Lv.Rest - Lv.28 (R/S/E)25 (F/L)) > Larvitar (Earthquake - Lv.50) > Slowking
Sentret (Rest - Lv.40) > Wooper (Earthquake - Lv.36) > Slowking
Sentret (Rest - Lv.40) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowking
Sentret (Rest - Lv.40) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowking
Seel (Rest - Lv.29) > Wooper (Earthquake - Lv.36) > Slowking
Seel (Rest - Lv.29) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowking
Seel (Rest - Lv.29) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowking
Seel (Rest - Lv.29) > Mudkip (Earthquake - Evolve) > Slowking
Sealeo (Rest - Lv.39) > Wooper (Earthquake - Lv.36) > Slowking
Sealeo (Rest - Lv.39) > Rhyhorn (Earthquake - Lv.52) > Slowking
Sealeo (Rest - Lv.39) > Rhydon (Earthquake - Lv.58) > Slowking
Sealeo (Rest - Lv.39) > Mudkip (Earthquake - Evolve) > Slowking

Absol!
28th January 2006, 9:22 AM
Awesome post! This really helped with the Egg Moves I want to include in my teams (such as Curse on Swampert and a Crunching-ing Manectric). Thanks! :)


what does everstone do with breeding?

Let's say you give a female Oddish with a Calm nature an Everstone and breed an Egg. When the Egg hatches, there is a 50% chance that it will have a Calm nature. This only works on Emerald.

Tempest
5th February 2006, 8:11 PM
Is it possible to get EQ on Bagon/Shelgon/Salamence without having to use the TM? I'm trying to get a Physical Sweeping salamence. TTFN!

Expert Evan
5th February 2006, 8:54 PM
Is it possible to get EQ on Bagon/Shelgon/Salamence without having to use the TM! I'm trying to get a Physical Sweeping salamence. TTFN!
since bagon cannot learn EQ then it is not possible to breed EQ onto it. It can only learn EQ once it evolves into salamence. My 91+ pickup party of linoones has acquired over 2 dozen of TM26 items so I've been fortunate enough to teach them to the likes of salamence, metagross, heracross, aerodactyl, gyarados, tauros, dragonite to name some.

Tempest
8th February 2006, 1:31 AM
Thanks Expert Evan, another question about the Bagon line, how would you breed a bagon with both Aerial Ace and Dragon Dance? Thanks and TTFN!

Expert Evan
8th February 2006, 1:51 AM
Thanks Expert Evan, another question about the Bagon line, how would you breed a bagon with both Aerial Ace and Dragon Dance? Thanks and TTFN!
taillow/swellow(aerial ace) -> swablu/altaria(dragon dance) -> bagon

Akayfortyseven
10th February 2006, 1:22 PM
i want a charizard with this moveset: aerial ace, rock slide, dragon dance, fire blast. is this chain correct?
swellow (AA)>>>Altaria (DD)>>>Charmander
i know charmander can learn aerial ace tm but i just wanted to make sure.
on a side note, do you think i should max attack and speed event though it ahs dragon dance?

draco draco
10th February 2006, 2:59 PM
chain = ok
and ya.. max attack and speed.. it just does it more deadly.. but try avoid sp. attack moves like fire blast.. try give it brick break, or earthquake or sumthing like that...

~*Mudkip Fantastic*~
10th February 2006, 3:36 PM
In the Attackdex it shows multiple pictures of level5 fully evolved pokemon like Hariyama, Butterfree, Tentacruel,ect but is that actually possible.

Toran Frostbite
10th February 2006, 4:21 PM
It there any possible way of breeding Shadow Ball and/or Iron Tail onto an Eevee without using the TMs or Smeargle? Or is Flareon forever doomed to waste its Attack stat?

Akayfortyseven
10th February 2006, 5:13 PM
chain = ok
and ya.. max attack and speed.. it just does it more deadly.. but try avoid sp. attack moves like fire blast.. try give it brick break, or earthquake or sumthing like that...

Thanks for your advice, i was thinking of fireblast for physical walls like skarm or something, and maybe throw a few evs into special attack to give it a boost. what does everyone else think? if i scrap it then should i use earthquake, brick break, focus punch or even rest or taunt?

oh yeah, ive got that XD larvitar that i could raise to learn rock slide as it already knows DD, and then i can teach aerial ace from a tm, they are compatible according to the list so...oh yeah adamant nature, ive got a female adamant char so if i give it the everstone in emerald then itl make the chances of adamant higher right?

draco draco
11th February 2006, 8:13 AM
Thanks for your advice, i was thinking of fireblast for physical walls like skarm or something, and maybe throw a few evs into special attack to give it a boost. what does everyone else think? if i scrap it then should i use earthquake, brick break, focus punch or even rest or taunt?

oh yeah, ive got that XD larvitar that i could raise to learn rock slide as it already knows DD, and then i can teach aerial ace from a tm, they are compatible according to the list so...oh yeah adamant nature, ive got a female adamant char so if i give it the everstone in emerald then itl make the chances of adamant higher right?


ya it will have a higher chance of being adamant.. a 50 % chance.. instead of like 5 %.. for skarmory.. well.. rock slide.. is the perfect move... i just kill those with brick break.. but.. you can choose yourself.. sorry if i sound a bit.. um.. sleepy.. but i am ;)

Finnmonster
11th February 2006, 11:02 AM
DP again?

Wouldn't it be hard to beat Skarms with Rock Slide? I don't think it it does the "super effective" damage and Skarmory has a high defense. It'll be a lot easier to use sp.attacks like fire or electric to draw steelbirds down.

draco draco
11th February 2006, 2:24 PM
sorry didnt see double post.. no it dont do super effective.. but it is easy enugh to draw it down.. just remember a starmie -.-

MetalKid
12th February 2006, 4:33 PM
You can breed either or, but not both. Here are some examples:

Sableye (Shadow Ball - Lv.41) > Spinda > Eevee
Shuppet (Shadow Ball - Lv.44) > Castform > Snubbull > Eevee
Shuppet (Shadow Ball - Lv.44) > Castform > Skitty > Eevee
Nincada (Shadow Ball - Evolve) > Volbeat > Spinda > Eevee
Haunter (Shadow Ball - Lv.45 (F/L)) > Castform > Snubbull > Eevee
Haunter (Shadow Ball - Lv.45 (F/L)) > Castform > Skitty > Eevee
Gengar (Shadow Ball - Lv.45 (F/L)) > Castform > Snubbull > Eevee
Gengar (Shadow Ball - Lv.45 (F/L)) > Castform > Skitty > Eevee
Gastly (Shadow Ball - Lv.36 (F/L)) > Castform > Snubbull > Eevee

Aron (Iron Tail - Lv.29) > Rhyhorn > Eevee
Aron (Iron Tail - Lv.29) > Rhydon > Eevee
Aron (Iron Tail - Lv.29) > Nidoran-M > Eevee
Aron (Iron Tail - Lv.29) > Mareep > Eevee
Aron (Iron Tail - Lv.29) > Treecko > Seviper > Eevee
Aron (Iron Tail - Lv.29) > Treecko > Ekans > Eevee
Aron (Iron Tail - Lv.29) > Totodile > Wooper > Eevee
Aron (Iron Tail - Lv.29) > Totodile > Spheal > Eevee
Aron (Iron Tail - Lv.29) > Totodile > Psyduck > Eevee
Aron (Iron Tail - Lv.29) > Squirtle > Wooper > Eevee
Aron (Iron Tail - Lv.29) > Squirtle > Spheal > Eevee
Aron (Iron Tail - Lv.29) > Squirtle > Psyduck > Eevee
Aron (Iron Tail - Lv.29) > Slowpoke > Wooper > Eevee
Aron (Iron Tail - Lv.29) > Slowpoke > Spheal > Eevee
Aron (Iron Tail - Lv.29) > Slowpoke > Psyduck > Eevee
Aron (Iron Tail - Lv.29) > Mudkip > Wooper > Eevee

MetalKid
12th February 2006, 4:37 PM
In the Attackdex it shows multiple pictures of level5 fully evolved pokemon like Hariyama, Butterfree, Tentacruel,ect but is that actually possible.

If you cheat, then yes...

MyuutsuRanger
13th February 2006, 12:58 AM
Here are some more I found while breeding my Pokemon

Abra:
Fire, Ice and Thunder Punches - Hitmonchan ----> Abra

Ralts:
Safeguard - Wobbuffet ----> Ralts
Destiny Bond - Wobbuffet ----> Ralts

Skitty:
Wish - Togetic ----> Skitty

Machiito
13th February 2006, 5:47 AM
Question..just a little something I noticed on Smoochum.

How can Smoochum learn Wish from Illumise if both Jynx and Illumise are 100% female? I thought males passed on egg moves. o_o;

~*Mudkip Fantastic*~
13th February 2006, 12:20 PM
If you cheat, then yes...
But is it possible without cheats?

Stardust25
13th February 2006, 5:34 PM
Question..just a little something I noticed on Smoochum.

How can Smoochum learn Wish from Illumise if both Jynx and Illumise are 100% female? I thought males passed on egg moves. o_o;

Here is how to get Wish onto Jynx...
Start with a male Togetic that know Wish, breed it with a female Pikachu/Raichu until you get a male Pichu to hatch, it will know Wish, evolve it into Pikachu, breed it with a female Spinda until you get a male Spinda to hatch, it will know Wish. Finally, breed the Spinda with a Jynx, and you will get a Smoochum with Wish.


But is it possible without cheats?

No it is not possible without cheating.

Machiito
13th February 2006, 6:14 PM
Here is how to get Wish onto Jynx...
Start with a male Togetic that know Wish, breed it with a female Pikachu/Raichu until you get a male Pichu to hatch, it will know Wish, evolve it into Pikachu, breed it with a female Spinda until you get a male Spinda to hatch, it will know Wish. Finally, breed the Spinda with a Jynx, and you will get a Smoochum with Wish.

Oh, no. I didn't want to breed it onto a Smoochum. I was just scrolling through the list and I noticed that. It sent me into a major "What the crap.. O_o" fest. xD

Chip the Mudkip
16th February 2006, 6:27 PM
The question I have is that if two Pokemon don't like eachother, then how much longer does it take to get an egg compared to two Pokemon who do like eachother?

TRJessie579
16th February 2006, 6:41 PM
Okay, you asked for it... XD Here's the full explanation from Pokemon Forever, which is now a defunct site:

The chances of getting an egg depend on the ID number and species of the two Pokémon in the Day Care. Remember that although two Pokémon's visible ID numbers may be the same, they each will have a hidden ID that may differ if they were caught by different trainers. The higher the value, the better the chance to get an egg. The message listed is what the old man at the Day Care will say about the Pokemon.

Different IDs and Same Species = "The two seem to get along very well." = 70
Different IDs and Different Species = "The two seem to get along." = 50
Same IDs and Same Species = "The two seem to get along." = 50
Same IDs and Different Species = "The two don't seem to like each other." = 20

If the two Pokemon are in different Egg Groups, or at least one is in the No Eggs group, then the old man will say "The two prefer to play with other POKéMON than each other." If this is the case, then the two Pokémon will not produce an egg.

Every 256 steps taken, the value above is compared to a random number. If the value is higher than the random number, then an egg is produced. This is why a higher number is more desirable. A new random number is created every 256 steps.

The random number begins as a number from 0 through 65,535. It is multiplied by 100, then divided by 65535, producing a number between 0 and 100. This creates an x in 101 chance of obtaining an egg.


Value % Chance to get an Egg
70 69.3%
50 49.5%
20 19.8%

And that's all there is to it. :D

Chip the Mudkip
16th February 2006, 6:52 PM
Thank you TRJessie579. I'll print that info out for future reference. ^_^

MetalKid
17th February 2006, 5:01 AM
Question..just a little something I noticed on Smoochum.

How can Smoochum learn Wish from Illumise if both Jynx and Illumise are 100% female? I thought males passed on egg moves. o_o;

The following chains are for Jynx with move(s): Wish

Togetic (Wish - Lv.Wish - Lv.31 (R/S/E)29 (F/L)) > Skitty > Spinda > Jynx
Togetic (Wish - Lv.Wish - Lv.31 (R/S/E)29 (F/L)) > Pikachu > Spinda > Jynx


If you are asking that question because some place shows that Illumise is a valid breed to get Wish to Jynx, then you are right. A female only pokemon cannot pass on any moves.

eldes
17th February 2006, 7:24 AM
same goes for ice punch on drowzee it should be
himonchan/medicham>drowzee
and
Tyrogue
1. Helping Hand: hitmonchan(sp move from pokemon xd)>tyrogue

feebas_factor
17th February 2006, 10:01 PM
ok, I sort of asked this before, but I didn't really understand, so...

If I taught a male spindra shadowball and bred it with a female spindra, the baby spindra would, obviously, know shadowball.

But if I raised a sableye until it learned shadowball (by level up) then bred it with a female spindra - would the baby spindra know shadow ball?

.::Escalator::.
17th February 2006, 10:07 PM
Yes, if Sableye & spinda can breed. (Can they?)

TRJessie579
17th February 2006, 10:42 PM
To clarify a bit, if the father has a TM move the baby can learn, whether the father learned it by TM, leveling up, or being bred himself, the baby will be born knowing the move.

DarkSpectrum
18th February 2006, 5:58 PM
Does anyone know any chains where i can breed a feebas with either
Mirror coat
DragonBreath
Hypnosis
----------- or -----------
Mirror Coat
Ice Beam
Hypnosis

I already know a chain (W/ Lapras and Corsolla) that allows me to get
Ice Beam
Mirror Coat
but I haven't found a chain that will also allow for hypnosis as well

Stardust25
18th February 2006, 10:41 PM
Does anyone know any chains where i can breed a feebas with either
Mirror coat
DragonBreath
Hypnosis
----------- or -----------
Mirror Coat
Ice Beam
Hypnosis

I already know a chain (W/ Lapras and Corsolla) that allows me to get
Ice Beam
Mirror Coat
but I haven't found a chain that will also allow for hypnosis as well

Unfortunately, there is no breeding chain that will allow you to get both Hypnosis and Mirror Coat on the same Feebas.

Finnmonster
19th February 2006, 2:03 PM
I found this strange Cacturne. It was maybe meant to be breeded with LG Pokémon, but I'm not sure what to do with it. Its nature is Serious, and moveset:

Leech Seed
Ingrain
Toxic
Spikes (used to have Grasswhistle instead of Spikes, replaced while training)

Does anyone know what could I do with this creep? I don't think its moveset is good (I'm not spezialized in this type of fighters) but should I keep it like that, breed it, or what?

feebas_factor
19th February 2006, 2:33 PM
thanks alot, I'm going to try that

hey wait, doesn't that mean you could get almost all the moves you wanted without using tm's? Just by getting pokemon who know the move through level up and then breeding it onward? (excluding genderless pokemon of course)

TRJessie579
19th February 2006, 5:28 PM
Yep, and that's how I do my breeding. I have an army of male Pokemon in different Egg Groups with TM moves they learned from leveling up, and I cross breed so I don't have to use up all my TMs. I can save them for the Pokemon that can only learn them through TM, like genderless or legendary.

feebas_factor
19th February 2006, 8:16 PM
Hey, that's awesome! I tried it out with a random torkoal and loudred, and got a whishmur with flamethrower! Now I don't don't have to use up any of my TM's!

Which are the TM's that no pokemon learn by leveling up?

.::Escalator::.
20th February 2006, 12:16 AM
-Overheat
-All HMs except Waterfall/Fly
-Skill Swap
-Torment (I think)
-Taunt (I think)
-Bulk Up (I think)
-Secret Power


That's all I can think of for now.

Expert Evan
20th February 2006, 12:27 AM
-Overheat
-All HMs except Waterfall/Fly
-Skill Swap
-Torment (I think)
-Taunt (I think)
-Bulk Up (I think)
-Secret Power


That's all I can think of for now.

Bulk Up: combusken/blaziken, groudon
Taunt: murkrow, sneasel, poochyena/mightyena, sharpedo, zangoose, corphish/crawdaunt, absol
Torment: Nuzleaf

another move that cannot be learned by leveling up is "shock wave"

I had an opportunity to teach overheat to my smeargle for breeding purposes by having along a wobuffet that knew encore when facing flannery's torkoal in a doubles rematch.

.::Escalator::.
20th February 2006, 12:49 AM
Okay, I've a Male Eevee with a 31 Def IV in the Daycare with a Female Eevee with a 31 HP IV, or vice versa, I cant remember...

Anyways, I must've hatched atleast 200 eggs, and I have not yet hatched an Eevee to inherit both 31-IV stats!

Is there anyway for me hasten this process?

And BTW:
-This is Emerald
-I'm aware of the Everstone trick
-I'm aware of the extra effect of Magma Armor/Flame Body

Expert Evan
20th February 2006, 12:54 AM
Okay, I've a Male Eevee with a 31 Def IV in the Daycare with a Female Eevee with a 31 HP IV, or vice versa, I cant remember...

Anyways, I must've hatched atleast 200 eggs, and I have not yet hatched an Eevee to inherit both 31-IV stats!

Is there anyway for me hasten this process?

And BTW:
-This is Emerald
-I'm aware of the Everstone trick
-I'm aware of the extra effect of Magma Armor/Flame Body
One thing I had noticed quite awhile ago was I could replace one of the parents in the daycare with its offspring, so if I have a male bagon with flawless hp/attack/speed and the mother just has flawless attack and the offspring daughter has flawless attack/speed, I can replace with the daughter and they shall still lay eggs. I know this is incest but it still works. I must've gone through about 500 bagon eggs until I got the one I was looking for to begin with. Lol, a shiny with decent stats can first this time.

blackice2
21st February 2006, 1:02 AM
Hey I was wondering, can Sandshrew learn Swords Dance and Rock Slide? Just womdering. Please tell me.

~blackice2

Stardust25
21st February 2006, 4:41 AM
Hey I was wondering, can Sandshrew learn Swords Dance and Rock Slide? Just womdering. Please tell me.

~blackice2

Sure, for the first method, you will need some help from the FireRed/LeafGreen move tutors if you want both moves on the same Sandshrew. Actually, with FireRed/LeafGreen, you will be able to just use move tutors to get those moves onto Sandshrew. Anyways, here are the breeding chains for each individual move.

Rock Slide: Camerupt, Rhyhorn(Egg), Torchic(Egg), Spinda(Egg), and Spheal.(Egg)

Swords Dance: Rhyhorn(Egg) Absol, Zangoose.

So, you would have to use a move tutor to teach either Rock Slide or Swords Dance to your Sandshrew, or else teach one of those moves to the Pokémon that you want to breed to pass those moves onto your Sandshrew. Unfortunately, Sand shrew doesn't have any potential breeding partners that can learn both of those moves without move tutor help.

There is one more way to do this... Sandshrew and Smeargle are compatible with each other, so if you can get a male Smeargle to Sketch Swords Dance and Rock Slide, then you will be able to breed the Smeargle with a Sandshrew/Sandslash and get a baby Sandshrew with both of those moves.

Ludicolo
21st February 2006, 12:30 PM
Very Very Useful Stickie.. I was wondering whether i could get toxic to ludicolo without Roselia and without using the actual TM as i only have emerald.

Expert Evan
21st February 2006, 1:00 PM
Very Very Useful Stickie.. I was wondering whether i could get toxic to ludicolo without Roselia and without using the actual TM as i only have emerald.
Here are some alternatives for toxic:

gulpin -> castform -> shroomish -> lotad

dustox -> surskit(outbreak) -> lotad

Ludicolo
21st February 2006, 5:01 PM
Ahh Evan you intelligent young lad =) Thankss

umbreon trainer 7
22nd February 2006, 8:30 AM
cool list guys thanks

Golden Egg
22nd February 2006, 9:41 PM
Is it possible to breed both Silver Wind and Substitute onto a Nincada?

.::Escalator::.
23rd February 2006, 5:14 PM
^No, Sub isn't one of Nincada's egg moves, and move tutor moves can't be passed down unless said move is one of said pokemon's normal egg moves.

DANN
25th February 2006, 2:38 PM
can scizor get boyh silverwind and baton pass and if yes could you tell me how please.

Expert Evan
25th February 2006, 3:19 PM
can scizor get both silverwind and baton pass and if yes could you tell me how please.

silver wind: beautifly/dustox/masquerain -> nincada/ninjask -> scyther

Ninjask learns baton pass at around level 45.

.::Escalator::.
25th February 2006, 10:49 PM
silver wind: beautifly/dustox/masquerain -> nincada/ninjask -> scyther

Ninjask learns baton pass at around level 45.


I prefer using Ledyba.

Beautifly/Dustox/Masquerain/Venomoth/Butterfree -> Ledyba/Ledian(Level to lvl28) -> Scyther

RiptideFugitive
26th February 2006, 4:50 PM
I'm trying to get a Medicham with the following moves, using as few TMs as possible.

Medicham (M) @ Choice Band ** Bob
Trait: Pure Power
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Fake Out
- Focus Punch
- Rock Slide
- Shadow Ball

I can get Rock Slide from one of the Tutors in FireRed (EDIT 2: I just looked up that tutor, and apparently it's a one-time thing; is there any way to breed for Rock Slide Instead?), I'm fairly sure. I can get Fake Out and Shadow Ball by breeding with Sableye.

For Focus Punch, I can go Vigoroth -> Spinda -> Meditite, right? EDIT: I looked back at the first page, and I didn't see this chain listed; can someone tell me what's wrong with it? Vigoroth is Ground, Spinda is Ground/Humanshape, and Meditite is Humanshape... what did I mess up on?

Oh, and can someone point me towards somewhere that explains how breeding for IVs works?

TRJessie579
26th February 2006, 5:20 PM
Nothing is wrong with the chain, the first page only lists ONE chain per Pokemon. If it listed all of them it would take days to read the list. XD

You can not breed for Rock Slide, unfortunately, you'll have to use the Move Tutor if you want that move.

Unfortunately, there are no chains for breeding all of the other 3 moves on--you will have to use your Focus Punch TM, since there are also no chains for breeding both Fake Out and Focus Punch. You can use Sableye for Fake Out/Shadow Ball.

Breeding for IVs is explained very briefly in the EVs/IVs FAQ sticky, but I'm sure Expert Evan can give you all the information you would ever want to know, if the info in the sticky isn't enough. :D

Stardust25
26th February 2006, 5:40 PM
Well, the Move Tutor is the only way to get Rock Slide on Medicham. Rock Slide is not an egg move for Medicham, and it is not a TM either, so Medicham can't learn it through breeding. Unlike the TMs, move tutor moves aren't passed through breeding unless they are in a Pokémon's egg movelist, or unless both parents know the move tutor move, and the baby Pokémon also learns the move naturally at a later level. The only Pokémon that learns Focus Punch naturally is Vigoroth. So, to pass on Focus Punch, you could breed a male Vigoroth/Slaking that knows Focus Punch with a female Spinda until you get a male Spinda, it will know Focus Punch. Now, take that Male Spinda, breed it with a female Sableye until you get a male Sableye to hatch, it will also know Focus Punch. Now, level the Sableye up until it learns Fake Out and Shadow Ball naturally, then breed it with a male Meditite/Medicham, and then you should get a Meditite that knows Focus Punch, Fake Out, and Shadow Ball. However, ultimately you will have to use the move tutor if you want Rock Slide.

Here is a link for the EV/IV sticky thread: http://serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=105225

RiptideFugitive
26th February 2006, 6:34 PM
Thank you both for the help. I'm new at the whole breeding for moves bit. >.<

I'm also working on this pokemon:

Ludicolo (M) @ Leftovers ** Darkwing Duck
Trait: Rain Dish
EVs: 204 HP / 44 Def / 8 Spd / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Leech Seed
- Seismic Toss
- Substitute

SToss and Sub are Tutor moves, but I need to get both Ice Beam and Leech Seed through breeding, since I need my Ice Beam TM for Claydol, who can't breed.

Is there any way I can breed for both of those? I can't find one.

TRJessie579
26th February 2006, 7:18 PM
Stardust25, your chain for getting all the moves on seems to be right...I'm using Metalkid's program and it said there was no possible chain for getting all 3 moves onto Medicham, so I'm trying to figure out if it's just a mistake in the program or what, since I can't find anything wrong with the chain you gave. Sorry. ;_;

I can't find a chain for Ice Beam and Leech Seed on Ludicolo either, and I'm pretty sure THAT'S not a mistake in the program. Sorry again...maybe you could trade another Ice Beam TM from a different game?

Stardust25
26th February 2006, 7:22 PM
No, unfortunately you can't pass both Ice Beam and Leech Seed onto Ludicolo. Actually, the Lotad/Lombre/Ludicolo family is the only group of Pokémon that can learn both Ice Beam and Leech Seed.

However, you can get as many Ice Beam TMs as you want from the Mauville Game Corner for 4000 game coins, ($80,000 if you purchase the coins directly) so you don't have to worry about using yours.

EDIT: Jessie beat my post.

TRJessie579
26th February 2006, 7:42 PM
Darnit, I THOUGHT it was a buyable TM in the game, and I almost picked up my guidebook to look, and then decided no, it's not.

More apologies from me...I shouldn't be posting when I've had no sleep. x_X

RiptideFugitive
27th February 2006, 12:54 AM
Thanks bundles. You guys sure are helpful. (Even though the pink there gives me seizures.)

I hate to be a bother, but you guys understand this stuff so much better than I do.

Sceptile 100
28th February 2006, 3:11 AM
I have a male sceptile and I want to make an egg. Since my ditto and sceptile don't like each other I don't know what to do. Doesn't the baby always follow the female?

Dratini927
28th February 2006, 3:14 AM
Sceptile and Ditto will make a baby Treecko. Ditto can breed with everyone, except Pokemon that arean't meant to breed.

When it says that they don't like each other it still means they'll make an egg. The only time 2 Pokemon won't make an egg is when the message says "The 2 prefer to play with other Pokemon." or "They're brimming with energy!" Other than that, they'll always make an egg. Some just slower than others. :P

Sceptile 100
28th February 2006, 3:18 AM
Sceptile and Ditto will make a baby Treecko. Ditto can breed with everyone, except Pokemon that arean't meant to breed.

When it says that they don't like each other it still means they'll make an egg. The only time 2 Pokemon won't make an egg is when the message says "The 2 prefer to play with other Pokemon." or "They're brimming with energy!" Other than that, they'll always make an egg. Some just slower than others. :p

That really helps, thanks. :)

DarkSpectrum
1st March 2006, 8:03 AM
I've got a few questions
1. If your tryin to get multiple eggs from the same parents, can you just leave them in the daycare to get multiples.
2. If so, does it take the same amount of steps to get another egg as the first or is there another factor.
3. And, I would really like an answer from someone that has actually tried this, but can 2 dittos breed for another ditto?

Expert Evan
1st March 2006, 12:24 PM
I've got a few questions
1. If your tryin to get multiple eggs from the same parents, can you just leave them in the daycare to get multiples.
Yes, and the gentleman will stand out front everytime a new egg hatches again
2. If so, does it take the same amount of steps to get another egg as the first or is there another factor.
Yes
3. And, I would really like an answer from someone that has actually tried this, but can 2 dittos breed for another ditto?
No, 2 dittos cannot breed with each other

See my answers in bold above

Grymyrk
1st March 2006, 4:05 PM
after the question regarding sandslash, i was wondering whether it would be possible to breed swords dance and rock slide [or ancientpower, i'm not fussy. although that might prove harder] onto the same cubone?

TRJessie579
1st March 2006, 4:59 PM
To clarify question 1, parents can have multiple Eggs but only one at a time. To me it seemed like you were asking if they would keep producing Eggs even if you didn't keep picking them up from the Daycare man...you have to pick up one Egg before they will produce another.

Also, just for the record, two Ditto COULD breed in G/S/C to make another Ditto, but for some reason they can not in the 3rd gen games.

Greatone
1st March 2006, 5:33 PM
Hmm, actually it does not seem to take the same amount of steps for each egg to be produced. I was hatching magikarp eggs and sometimes an egg would be ready as soon as I saw the daycare man, and sometimes I would be able to hatch two eggs before I got another one.

Expert Evan
1st March 2006, 5:48 PM
Hmm, actually it does not seem to take the same amount of steps for each egg to be produced. I was hatching magikarp eggs and sometimes an egg would be ready as soon as I saw the daycare man, and sometimes I would be able to hatch two eggs before I got another one.
I notice that sometimes and believe there's also a random number involved as I sometime would acquire the eggs then do the shiny magby, mach bike ride back and forth at a later time.

Greatone
1st March 2006, 6:04 PM
I notice that sometimes and believe there's also a random number involved as I sometime would acquire the eggs then do the shiny magby, mach bike ride back and forth at a later time.

That's actually a very interesting theory, kudos. Perhaps the "random number" comes up more frequently when the pokemon like each other more.

TRJessie579
1st March 2006, 6:09 PM
Here's the full explanation from Pokefor, which I saved using the Wayback Machine after it went down:

The breeding process is actually two formulas. First is the chances of getting an egg. Second is the amount of time (in steps) that it will take before getting a chance to get an egg.

The chances of getting an egg depend on the ID number and species of the two Pokémon in the Day Care. Remember that although two Pokémon's visible ID numbers may be the same, they each will have a hidden ID that may differ if they were caught by different trainers. The higher the value, the better the chance to get an egg. The message listed is what the old man at the Day Care will say about the Pokemon.

ID Numbers--Species--Value--Message
Different-----Same----70-----The two seem to get along very well.
Same--------Same----50-----The two seem to get along.
Different-----Different-50-----The two seem to get along.
Same--------Different-20-----The two don't seem to like each other.

If the two Pokemon are in different Egg Groups, or at least one is in the No Eggs group, then the old man will say "The two prefer to play with other POKéMON than each other." If this is the case, then the two Pokémon will not produce an egg.

Every 256 steps taken, the value above is compared to a random number. If the value is higher than the random number, then an egg is produced. This is why a higher number is more desirable. A new random number is created every 256 steps.

The random number begins as a number from 0 through 65,535. It is multiplied by 100, then divided by 65535, producing a number between 0 and 100. This creates an x in 101 chance of obtaining an egg.

Value----% Chance to get an Egg
70-------69.3%
50-------49.5%
20-------19.8%

There you go. :D More info than you ever needed or wanted to know.

Greatone
1st March 2006, 6:50 PM
Well that definitely makes sense, thank you TR :D You learn something new every day.

Aviano
2nd March 2006, 6:30 PM
I actually searched the thread and i couldn't find it, so i figured i'd ask:
Is there a way to get both crunch and leech seed on treecko?

Expert Evan
2nd March 2006, 7:04 PM
I actually searched the thread and i couldn't find it, so i figured i'd ask:
Is there a way to get both crunch and leech seed on treecko?
Not possible since only other pokemon that can learn leech seed are grass types and none others can learn crunch even though both nuzleaf and cacturne can both learn faint attack at least.

MetalKid
4th March 2006, 4:34 PM
Hey I was wondering, can Sandshrew learn Swords Dance and Rock Slide? Just womdering. Please tell me.

~blackice2

Yes, but it would require using the Move Tutor for one of the moves. Here are some possible chains. The moves marked with a "*" are moves that require the Move Tutor first.

The following chains are for Sandshrew with move(s): Rock Slide, Swords Dance

Zangoose (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance - Lv.10) > Sandshrew
Ursaring (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Sandshrew
Torchic (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Sandshrew
Sandslash (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Sandshrew
Sandshrew (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Sandshrew
Rhyhorn (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Sandshrew
Rhydon (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Sandshrew
Mawile (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Sandshrew
Combusken (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Sandshrew
Blaziken (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Sandshrew
Absol (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance - Lv.26) > Sandshrew


after the question regarding sandslash, i was wondering whether it would be possible to breed swords dance and rock slide [or ancientpower, i'm not fussy. although that might prove harder] onto the same cubone?

You run into the same problem as the other one where one or both moves need to use the Move Tutor...

The following chains are for Cubone with move(s): Rock Slide, Swords Dance

Totodile (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Cubone
Rhyhorn (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Cubone
Rhydon (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Cubone
Marowak (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Cubone
Lickitung (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Cubone
Feraligatr (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Cubone
Cubone (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Cubone
Croconaw (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Cubone
Charmeleon (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Cubone
Charmander (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Cubone
Charizard (Rock Slide*,Swords Dance*) > Cubone

EDITED: Double posting is NOT allowed here, use the EDIT button to add something to a previous post. -Mod

Grymyrk
5th March 2006, 3:06 PM
cheers for the info, i figure i'll just use the move tutors for now as that'll work out a lot simpler than waiting to get access to breeding and then only being able to use the one move anyway.

i keep asking far too similar questions, but they're ones for which the answers aren't that readily available anywhere. so here's another one.
is it possible to breed Calm Mind onto a Clefairy?

DarkSpectrum
5th March 2006, 3:52 PM
cheers for the info, i figure i'll just use the move tutors for now as that'll work out a lot simpler than waiting to get access to breeding and then only being able to use the one move anyway.

i keep asking far too similar questions, but they're ones for which the answers aren't that readily available anywhere. so here's another one.
is it possible to breed Calm Mind onto a Clefairy?

doesn't look like it as my guide doesn't show that it's able to learn it in any way, learned or egg

BLAZIKEN LOVER !
5th March 2006, 4:26 PM
hi
can you breed to get an eevee
where do you get a mantine
BLAZIKEN LOVER
ps i breeded 2 shuppet how many steps does it take to hatch

MetalKid
5th March 2006, 4:29 PM
cheers for the info, i figure i'll just use the move tutors for now as that'll work out a lot simpler than waiting to get access to breeding and then only being able to use the one move anyway.

i keep asking far too similar questions, but they're ones for which the answers aren't that readily available anywhere. so here's another one.
is it possible to breed Calm Mind onto a Clefairy?

The following chains are for Clefairy with move(s): Calm Mind

Stantler (Calm Mind - Lv.Calm Mind - Lv.49 (R/S/E)47 (F/L)) > Skitty > Clefairy
Meditite (Calm Mind - Lv.28) > Spinda > Skitty > Clefairy
Medicham (Calm Mind - Lv.28) > Spinda > Skitty > Clefairy
Kadabra (Calm Mind - Evolve) > Spinda > Skitty > Clefairy
Alakazam (Calm Mind - Lv.33) > Spinda > Skitty > Clefairy
Abra (Calm Mind - Evolve) > Spinda > Skitty > Clefairy


By the way, my program is outputting this information, so you may want to give it a shot if you are looking for breeding chains. It will check for both egg moves AND TMs. :)

MetalKid
5th March 2006, 4:30 PM
doesn't look like it as my guide doesn't show that it's able to learn it in any way, learned or egg

It can have it as a TM.

MetalKid
5th March 2006, 4:31 PM
hi
can you breed to get an eevee
where do you get a mantine
BLAZIKEN LOVER
ps i breeded 2 shuppet how many steps does it take to hatch

Yes.

Mantine:Ruby -> Trade from LeafGreen/FireRed
Sapphire -> Trade from LeafGreen/FireRed
Emerald -> Trade from LeafGreen/FireRed
FireRed -> Trade with LeafGreen
LeafGreen -> Seven Island Water
Colosseum -> Miror B Peon Ferma

Shuppet takes 6400 steps to hatch.

Dragon trainer
5th March 2006, 4:54 PM
since Bagon can learn DC and treecko can DC by TM, can this chain work

Bagon w/crunch and DC ---> Treecko

MetalKid
5th March 2006, 5:27 PM
since Bagon can learn DC and treecko can DC by TM, can this chain work

Bagon w/crunch and DC ---> Treecko

Nope. Sceptile can learn DC, but its prior evolutions cannot. Therefore, it won't work because Treecko can't have Dragon Claw.

Dragon trainer
5th March 2006, 5:31 PM
thanks for saying dam it, suppose i'l be stickig with Dragon breath and crunch