Official EV's, IV's, and DV's Discussion

[Shining Mew]

Here you can ask/talk about anything regarding EVs, IVs, and DV. What they are, how they affect your Pokemon, are they worth it, etc.


For more information on them, take a look at the main site.
EVs
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/ev.shtml

IVs
http://www.serebii.net/games/ivs.shtml

DVs
http://www.serebii.net/games/dvs.shtml

TRJessie579 says: I am currently working on an EVs/IVs FAQ and guide that should hopefully answer all of the questions that are constantly asked in this thread every day. As soon as it's finished I'll close this one and put up the new one. Watch this space!

[leafgreen386]

OK. I had something typed up about this before in the Site Discussion section how these guides were messed up. Unfortunently, no one noticed it. I figure I may as well get in a post now while I can detailing each of these mistakes, perhaps saving some people the trouble of learning it wrong.

EV guide mistakes:
So, what are the limits? Well for starters, you can only gain 510 Effort Values before they will stop being counted. 510 can be called our "Overall Maximum", if you want a technical term. So this brings the Effort Points you can gain to 64, once again as a maximum. But this is still a bit much to add to any one stat, and it would make any Mewtwo have an absurd amount of Special Attack still, or Blissey still having that huge potential to go over 700 Hit Points (not like you still can't get there.) So, to make it limited still, there can only be a maximum of 255 Effort Points per stat, giving a pokemon a potential 32 point increase in any stat.

So now, in terms of pokemon you have to battle, let's say you want that Linoone to get its maximum speed. You would have to battle 255 Zubats to get to the maximum speed value; EV training for any more Speed [B]will become useless if you choose to continue after 255
- Honestly, I have no idea what the first one is supposed to be, as there is nothing related to EVs that caps at 64, and everything else seems to be covered in the rest of the paragraph.
- That is a typo where it says "32 point increase." If you can do basic math you'd know it should say 63.
- You only have to battle 252 Zubats to max out your Spd in this example. Since the game rounds down, those last 3 EVs aren't going to influence your stat, although it is true that there is a limit of 255 EVs to a stat.

The reason that those extra proteins that couldn't be used on your ultra-tough Blaziken wouldn't work could be one of two reasons: 1. The stat is already maxed out on EV points, or 2. You already used ten proteins on the Blaziken.
This entire quote is rather misleading. Once a pokemon has 100 EVs in a stat, you can not use the vitamin corresponding to that stat, regardless of whether you've given it any already or not.

Suddenly that 255 becomes 64 pokemon that you have to battle to fill the Effort points up. Of course, the Pokerus doesn't appear that easily, so good luck trying to get it.
Once again, you only need 252 EVs to get the most benefit, and that is all. And that would become 63, not 64.

One last thing on EVs - Rare Candys. The so-thought dreaded item that doesn't boost your stats as high as if you took the time to level up. They usually accumulate in someone's box or are sold. Rare Candies, in reality, do not take EVs into account when the stats increase. They're still there, they just haven't been applied to the pokemon's stats yet. It's safe to use them after the Effort Points are full.
WRONG! The game is based on formulas. The Rare Candy edits one value in the stat formula - Level. Whenever your pokemon's stats are recalculated, it takes all changed values into account. Your stats, of course, are recalculated when you level up, so it would be foolish to assume that Rare Candies ignore EVs. However, this is also very irrelevant, as by the time you would want to use a Rare Candy, your pokemon would probably be in the high 90s anyway, and would be fully EV trained.

IV guide mistakes:
Say we have the mega-defensive bug type, Shuckle, and it's EV trained in both defense and special defense and it's at level 100, and a neutral nature. If we look at the base stats for this pokemon's defense and special defense, they both say 230, so you'd figure there wouldn't be much of a difference, right? Well, in reality, there can be a pretty wide difference. At level 100, this Shuckle has a defense stat that is 466, and a Special Defense stat equaling 542. Quite a wide difference there, about 80 points separated. A person using this Shuckle had better watch out for attack based moves if they are relying on defense.
OK. This isn't really a mistake, but rather something that just bugs me. You ALWAYS want to max out HP on Shuckle first (252 EVs), THEN assign the rest of its EVs to the defenses. That way you'll take a lower % damage from attacks.

Forretress 1:
Hit Point IV = ((Stat – Level Value - 10) * 100 / Level Value ) - 2 * BaseStat – Math.Floor(EV / 4)
Hit Point IV = ((121 – 43 – 10) * 100 / 43) – 2 * 75 – Math.Floor(0 / 4)
Hit Point IV = ((78) * 100 / 43) – 150
Hit Point IV = (7800 / 43) – 150
Hit Point IV = ~181 – 150
Hit Point IV = ~31

Wait, wait! It's 31, so that mean's it's perfect, right? Well in this case… no. It's not. If you look at Forretress 2's HP, it's 130, which is 9 points higher than this Forretress. It's a perfect example of when these equations can be inaccurate. The best thing you could do at this point is level it up further to get a bigger difference in the stats.
The IV guide isn't as populated with mistakes as the EV guide was, but this is just plain stupid. This person commited a mathamatical error here. Because last time I checked, 121 - 53 was 68, not 78. Of course, if you were observant you might have noticed that mistake yourself. This Forretress's HP IV is really only 9 (since when finding an IV you have to round up, but when finding a stat you have to round down). These formulas are as accurate as you can get, as they are exact same formulas used to calculate your stats, backwards.

DV guide mistake:
Of course if you want to influence it though, you will just have to go through a major breeding spree as there is no way to influence what nature you get really
This isn't really a mistake. It's just outdated. Back when this was written this held true. Now that Emerald's out, you can use the Everstone when breeding to influence what nature you get (as I'm sure all of you know, but I figured I'd mention it anyway).

Since I mentioned in the IV section that those are the same formulas as used in the game to calcucate your stats, but backward, I may as well post simplified versions of the actual stat increase formulas for those of you who are interested.

5 main stats:
[(2B + IV + EV)Lv/100 + 5]N

HP:
(2B + IV + EV)Lv/100 + Lv + 10

Now, the variables:
B = Base stat
IV = your Individual Value (duh)
EV = your EVs divided by 4, rounded down
Lv = Level
N = Nature value (1.1, 1.0, or 9.0)

*Note: Round down to the nearest whole number after dividing by 100 in both formulas, and also round down to the nearest whole number after multiplying by the nature value in the first formula (so 329.9 becomes 329).

[Whompithian]

I had a post in the old EV/IV/DV Discussion thread that I believe is still relevant, since it answers a question I have seen asked a lot. So, here is the original post on how to determine how many points will be added to your Pokemon's stats when it levels up, with some minor changes:

To calculate Hit Points:
Math.Floor((BaseStat x 2 + IV + Math.Floor(NewEV / 4) + (Math.Floor(NewEV / 4) – Math.Floor(OldEV / 4)) x Level) / 100 + 1)

To calculate everything else:
Math.Floor((BaseStat x 2 + IV + Math.Floor(NewEV / 4) + (Math.Floor(NewEV / 4) – Math.Floor(OldEV / 4)) x Level) x NatVal / 100)

Here's the breakdown:

Math.Floor() - Ignore any decimal in the final result (i.e. 1.1 = 1, 1.5 = 1, 1.9 = 1, 2.1 = 2, etc.)
BaseStat - Your Pokemon's Base Stat for the stat (constant value.)
IV - Your Pokemon's Individual Value for the stat (constant value.)
NewEV - The current Effort Value of the stat (variable value.)
OldEV - The Effort Value of the stat at the beginning of the current Level (variable value.)
Level - The Pokemon's current Level (this equation determines how many points the stat will increase upon reaching the next level.)
NatVal - Nature Value; the effect the Pokemon's Nature has on the stat (constant value; 0.9 for lower, 1.0 for neutral, 1.1 for upping.)

Here's the logic:

Use this equation during Effort Training to determine if the training is on course. One may compare the results of this equation to the actual stat increase at level-up to determine if Effort Training is working as well as it should. One may create a simplified version of this equation for each stat once One has figured out the three constant values for that stat. Also note that because you may already have a high enough decimal value in your current stat MathFloor() may cause your calculated stat increase to be one lower than your actual stat increase.

(BaseStat x 2 + IV + Math.Floor(NewEV / 4)) x NatVal / 100
Gives how many points a Pokemon will gain when it goes up one Level with its current Effort Value. Not dividing by 100 at the end will give the maximum value the stat can reach at Level 100 with its current Effort Value.

(Math.Floor(NewEV / 4) – Math.Floor(OldEV / 4)) x Level) x NatVal / 100
Gives how many points a Pokemon will gain from the Effort Points it has earned in its current Level. Multiplying the newly earned Effort Points by the current Level calculates the effect these Effort Points have on Levels that were gained before the Effort Points were earned, from Level 0 (theoretical) to the current Level.

[thktanuki]

Ummm... the equation is kinda spiffy... but, I have been trying to spped train my charmeleon in the cave of origin. He is level 19 now, and holding the macho brace, but when he leveled up(after killing about 17 zubats) he only got a +2 to speed when he leveled up... What's the deal with that? I know he hasn't maxed out his ev's yet.

[TRJessie579]

Stat gain from EVs is added gradually as your Pokemon grows, not all at once. You won't see a big increase in your Zubat's stats, but it will all be added in there eventually.

That's what Whompithian's second equation is for--to determine how much stat gain from EVs you'll have at a particular level.

[thktanuki]

Oh... that explains it... thank you, I was a bit confuzzled.

[Kveran]

Maybe I'm just not awake yet, but I completely do not understand the section about gender values in the DV section on the main site. To read that section, it seems that all you have to do to get to Mirage Island is to have either a male or female Pokemon. More description is needed to state what effect gender actually has on the Pokemon's probability of triggering Mirage Island.

[leafgreen386]

You see my list of mistakes up there? I wrote up something like that for each and every one of the sections, and it was completely ignored in Site Discussion. I and a few others spent about a month bumping it before giving up, and now it has gotten so far back it has been pruned.

Nothing is going to change.

[Shadow Link]

Can anyone post the elite 4 pokemon EV's? Like EV's for each pokemon in leaf green's and sapphire's elite 4. i need to find out about how much sepperate EV each gives and which is better for my team. i prefer to get defense early.

[leafgreen386]

Uh... what are you talking about?

IIrc, the pokemon outside of the BF/BT/TT do not have any EVs when you fight them, though I may be wrong.

If you want to know what pokemon gives what EVs, you can find that on the main site.

[gregjammer]

Can anyone post the elite 4 pokemon EV's? Like EV's for each pokemon in leaf green's and sapphire's elite 4. i need to find out about how much sepperate EV each gives and which is better for my team. i prefer to get defense early.

(Without Macho Brace/pokerus):

R/S:

Sidney
Cacturne: 1 Attack EV, 1 Special Attack EV
Rest of the trainer’s pokemon: 2 EVs in Attack

Phoebe
Dusclops (x2): 1 Attack EV, 2 Special Def. EVs
Bannette(x2): 2 Attack EVs
Sableye: 1 Attack EV, 1 Defense EV

Glacia:
Glaie (x2); Sealeo (x2): 2 HP EVs
Walrein: 3 HP EVs

Drake:
Shelgon: 2 Def. EVs
Flygon (x2): 1 Attack EV, 2 Speed EVs
Altaria: 2 Special Def. EVs
Salamence: 3 Attack EVs

Steven:
Skamory: 2 Defense EVs
Armaldo: 2 Attack EVs
Metagross: 3 Defense EVs
Aggron: 3 Defense EVs
Rest of trainer’s pokemon: 2 Special Def. EVs

Fr/Lg (2nd Wave E4; the 1st wave can only be fought 1 time per save file, yet it’s before you get the ND and the plates quest that involves Island One’s Network Machine (the one that needs to be fixed in order to trade w/ R/S/E), so no need to state the 1st wave’s EVs anyway):

Lorelei:
Dewgong: 2 Special Def. EVs
Cloyster: 2 Defense EVs
Piloswine: 1 HP EV, 1 Attack EV
Jynx: 2 Special Attack EVs
Lapras: 2 HP EVs

Bruno:
Steelix (x2): 2 Def. EVs
Hitmonlee: 2 Attack EVs
Hitmonchan: 2 Special Def. EVs
Machamp: 3 Attack EVs

Agatha:
Gengar(x2): 3 Special Atk. EVs
Crobat: 3 Speed EVs
Misdreavous: 1 Special Attack EV, 1 Special Defense EV
Arbok: 2 Attack EVs

Lance:
Gyarados: 2 Attack EVs
Dragonite (x2): 3 Attack EVs
Aerodactyl: 2 Speed EVs
Kingdra: 1 Attack EV, 1 Special Attack EV, 1 Special Def. EV,

Rival:
Alakazam: 3 Special Attack EVs
Tyranitar: 3 Attack EVs
Exeggutor: 2 Special Attack EVs
Blastoise: 3 Special Defense EVs
Rest of trainer's pokemon: 2 Attack EVs

(/Without Macho Brace/pokerus)

[Shadow Link]

thanks. i'll think i'll help post EV training. so here are the Lone EV points gainable for the elite 4 (both games without macho brace/pokerus).

Ruby/Sapphire VS Fire Red/Leafgreen

HP

11 EV > 2 EV

Attack

17 EV < 22 EV (if Charmander is NOT choosen. otherwise its 20 EV)

Defense

7 EV > 6 EV

Speed

0 EV < 5 EV

Special Attack

0 EV < 13 EV (if Squirtle is NOT Choosen as starter. otherwise its 11 EV)

Special Defense

6 EV <(>) 7 EV (if Charmander's choosen as starter. Otherwise its 4 EV)

This is to use if you just want to train one EV. for example if you want a milotic you just want defense and not attack. so sableye is useless to you.

So it looks like FR/LG marginally wins. but beware because gary can really ruin your EV training if just following this guide.

[LLL]

Can i use rare candies after my pokemon have maximized EVs?

Well, that's a noobish question, but can someone answer it?

[leafgreen386]

You can use a Rare Candy anytime - even before you're fully EV trained, and it won't have any effect on final stats. But it's generally more effective to just save your Rare Candies for checking IVs or for later levels (90+), as that's when they'll have their most effect.

[gregjammer]

You can use a Rare Candy anytime - even before you're fully EV trained, and it won't have any effect on final stats. But it's generally more effective to just save your Rare Candies for checking IVs or for later levels (90+), as that's when they'll have their most effect.

However, if your pokemon's at Level 99 in some way, and still not fully EV-trained, and you give it some EVs to strengthen one of its stats, but you don't give it the maximum EVs that you can possibly get in that particular stat, then use a Rare Candy, and because using Rare Candies don't take any EVs you may have gained in that particular level, then your Pokemon's Level 100, but w/ bad stats for competitive battling because all EVs have to be gained before Level 100, plus w/ the Box Trick programmed not to work at Level 100, no wonder you can't use rare candies to elevate a not-fully-EV-trained pokemon w/o making its stats bad for competitive battling, and that's the deal for Pokemon at Level 100...

Conclusion: This formula determines Stat gains from Rare Candies, courtesy of Whompithian:

Hit Points:
Math.Floor((BaseStat x 2 + IV + Math.Floor(OldEV / 4) + (Math.Floor(Old EV / 4) - Math.Floor(Old EV / 4)) x Level) / 100 + 1)


Everything Else:

Math.Floor((BaseStat x 2 + IV) Math.Floor(OldEV / 4) + (Math.Floor(Old EV / 4) - Math.Floor(Old EV / 4)) x Level) x NatVal / 100)

If you used the Box Trick beforehand, refer to Whompithian's post for the answer, ok?

Breakdown:

Math.Floor() - Ignore any decimal in the final result (i.e. 1.1 = 1, 1.5 = 1, 1.9 = 1, 2.1 = 2, etc.)
BaseStat - Your Pokemon's Base Stat for the stat (constant value.)
IV - Your Pokemon's Individual Value for the stat (constant value.)
OldEV - The Effort Value of the stat at the beginning of the current Level (variable value.) If you used the Box Trick before using the Rare Candy, well, Whompithian can answer that question, because he is the original holder of the formula. Just wanted to add what the Formula would've looked like if a Rare Candy was used before your Pokemon is ever slated to have gained a Level due to Exp. Points acquired from battling...
Level - The Pokemon's current Level (this equation determines how many points the stat will increase upon reaching the next level.)
NatVal - Nature Value; the effect the Pokemon's Nature has on the stat (constant value; 0.9 for lower, 1.0 for neutral, 1.1 for upping.)

[Guy]

This might be hard to explain to you guys but... well, i was EV training my Starmie in Sp.Atk and Speed. I did Sp.Atk first, fighting a ton of Magnetons until i calculated that the EV was 252. It was gaining like 5 a level. Then i started on Speed. I fought some Picknicker dude who was said to give 12 Speed EVs. But when growing levels during that, the Sp.Atk per level dropped. Why?

[Whompithian]

This might be hard to explain to you guys but... well, i was EV training my Starmie in Sp.Atk and Speed. I did Sp.Atk first, fighting a ton of Magnetons until i calculated that the EV was 252. It was gaining like 5 a level. Then i started on Speed. I fought some Picknicker dude who was said to give 12 Speed EVs. But when growing levels during that, the Sp.Atk per level dropped. Why?
This happens once a stat is no longer gaining Effort Points between levels. If you work out the equation in the third post it explains why this is. If you don't feel like doing the algebra, I'll try to explain. You must understand that 252/4 is the number of points your Sp. Atk EV will add to the stat at Level 100. But before you did the training, 0/4 was the number of points your Sp. Atk EV would have added to the stat at Level 100. That means that your Pokemon started gaining levels with an EV boost to Sp. Atk of 0/4/100=0 points (divide by 100 to get the boost per level). Once you completed EV training Sp. Atk you were earning a boost of 252/4/100=.63 points per level. But, the game needed to figure out how many points you had earned for levels before you had those Effort Points, so it gave you that .63 point boost for each level your Pokemon had risen without the Effort Points (this is a gross generalization, since it is almost certain that you didn't earn all 252 Effort Points in a single level). So, during your training, you got large boosts to the stat and then the stat boost settled to a number that was at most 1 higher than usual after your Effort Training was complete. If you beleive this explanation was long and complex, you are right. EVs, IVs and DVs are a complex, unavoidable aspect of Pokemon.

[Guy]

OK i get it. thanx.

[SlwaBluPhnx]

Well, my poke has pokerus and macho brace. Does it still gets 4 EV if I switch?

[Powerful_Blaziken88]

Say we have the mega-defensive bug type, Shuckle, and it's EV trained in both defense and special defense and it's at level 100, and a neutral nature. If
we look at the base stats for this pokemon's defense and special defense, they both say 230, so you'd figure there wouldn't be much of a difference, right? Well, in reality, there can be a pretty wide difference. At level 100, this Shuckle has a defense stat that is 466, and a Special Defense stat equaling
542. Quite a wide difference there, about 80 points separated. A person using this Shuckle had better watch out for attack based moves if they are relying on defense.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Back up.
For level 100, neutral nature and fully EV trained, the range for those 2 stats is 528 to 559, not 466 to 542. That one looks more like you gave defense no EVs as well as it having a bad IV.

And DragonAtreides, yes you will still gain 4× the usual amount of EVs if you switch.

[Theriguy]

I know this is a fairly n00bish question, but alas I must ask it. If I gave my pokèmon a vitamin, would it affect the EV training of said pokèmon and how? Sorry, I'm new to this all and I'm not quite understanding this.

[TRJessie579]

Each Vitamin adds 10 EVs to its respective stat.

Remember that you can only use Vitamins until that specific stat is at 100 EVs. After that, it won't have any effect.

[Leviathan-Ran]

This whole concept is confusing...

If I fight 4 zubats in a row with my level 56 RHYDON, when RHYDON levelled up next he would gain +3 instead of the usual +2? Does that count for the same if I fought a level 3 zubat? If not then how in gods name are you supposed to EV train your higher-level pokemon? Because ive never seen a wild zubat above level 40!

Also if I give RYHDON 10 Carbos, can he not gain any more EV’s on SPEED?
Do you get more EV’s if you don’t use such items? Or do you get the same?
Do EV’s max out at 100points when used with stat items? What about combinations?

The guide isn’t very clear on these factors to me..

Also have EV’s been around since Red and Blue? Because I distinctly remember my level 100 mewtwo’s attack power going up on it’s own every so often.

From 308 to 309. Eventually ending at 312.

[TRJessie579]

A Pokemon will give the same number of EVs whether it's LV 3 or LV 100. Zubats give 1 Speed EV always. However, stat gain from EVs is added up GRADUALLY, not all at once. You won't necessarily see a huge gain when you level up, but trust me that it will all be there when your Pokemon is at LV 100. So if your Rhydon battles 4 Zubat, depending on your Rhydon's level, you may not see a +1 gain in Speed when it levels up. It'll be added on gradually as your Pokemon "grows."

If you give your Rhydon 10 Carbos, he can't use any more Vitamins to gain Speed EVs, but he can battle to gain more Speed EVs. It's only Vitamins that cap out at 100 EVs.

Vitamins add 10 EVs each, it's just like battling 10 Pokemon that give 1 EV each. It'll give you the same results, it's just faster and costs more.

You can't use Vitamins once that stat is at 100 EVs. If you use 10 Carbos, you can't use any more Carbos. If you battle 10 Zubat, you can only use 9 Carbos until you can't use any more, etc.

There was a system similar to the current EV system in the original games, but IIRC, there was no cap, so you could just keep battling and your Pokemon's stats would keep rising.

[Leviathan-Ran]

OOH! right! got ya!

Thanks that's cleared a lot up for me!

I was making Raichu fight Minum/Plusle/electrike for speed and I wondered why it wasn’t going up by +4 cos i killed about 20 of them all together lol, but now I see that the extra points are added in general, not all at once!

So say if I had Raichy (my raichu's nickname :) ) fight 4 zubats, and 4 metapod it would have one more point on speed and defence at level 100

where as if i had an identical raichu who fought the same pokemon as raichy did, expect for the last 4 zubat and 4 metapod, and instead used a rare candy to gain the last level, this raichu would have one less stat? since it didn’t battle those 4 raichu and metapod?


Also that explains why my mewtwo was such a power freak since I spent all day every day since I caught him training in cerulean cave ^^ fighting high atp enemies

(mewtwo was the only pokemon on my team apart from venosaur)


thanks for the help mate :)


oh one more thing

If Raichy fights 100 plusle's before he levels up, will he keep all the ev points gained? or will it max out before he levels up then start again after he levels up?
I know there is a total max, but is there a max to points that can be collected during a single level?

Say for exmaple

maximum of 20 EV points per level, then when he levels up again, he can get another max of 20 in the next level so on and so forth till the max ev points is reached?


P.P.S

While EV Training Raichy I just encountered latios!! went to grab an ultra ball... and I HAD NO POKEBALLS AT ALL!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Always carry extra pokéballs >.<

[TRJessie579]

There's no max per level. If (and I don't know if this is possible, but for the sake of argument) you have a LV 5 Pichu that manages to get all 255 EVs in Speed before it gets to LV 6, you won't ever have to get any more. As your Pichu levels up, you may see + so many Speed points each time, and it will have 63 more in that stat at LV 100 than a Pichu who was Rare Candied from LV 5 to 100 without battling (in general, there's still IVs and Nature to take into account).

Also, edited something in my above post where I messed up on some numbers. *Doh*

[Leviathan-Ran]

Ah got ya thanks!

That should help me out, as long as Im asking question let me double check that it is possible to EV train more than one stat yes? Even if the rest are maxed out? It probably does lol

Since it takes such a long time to get to level 100, I suppose there is a good chance I will get all the EV points for at least one of my pokemon without even trying too hard isn’t there?


Also if I'm not mistaken, does this mean EV's accour naturally? but EV training is a way to controll where the stats go before it's too late to level up any more?

[Whompithian]

That should help me out, as long as Im asking question let me double check that it is possible to EV train more than one stat yes? Even if the rest are maxed out? It probably does lol
There are two maximums you need to remember with EVs: The total maximum of 510 Effort Points and the per-stat maximum of 255 Effort Points. As long as all of your EVs together don't add up to 510 you will still be able to Effort Train in any stat that has less than 255 Effort Points. Once you reach 510, Effort Training is over and non of your Pokemon's EVs will go any higher.

Since it takes such a long time to get to level 100, I suppose there is a good chance I will get all the EV points for at least one of my pokemon without even trying too hard isn’t there?
It's pretty difficult to not max out total EVs by Level 100 if you level your Pokemon through battling. But, unless you always battle the same wild Pokemon, it is unlikely that you will get the max EV for a single stat.

Also if I'm not mistaken, does this mean EV's accour naturally? but EV training is a way to controll where the stats go before it's too late to level up any more?
Yes, EVs occur naturally. They were originally meant to provide a random element to a Pokemon's stats as it levels up. But, people discovered how to influence EVs through proper battling so they could control how each stat turns out.

[Leviathan-Ran]

Awesome, that's cool!

Time to EV Train Raichy's defence then :> he's at level 51 and it's only at 98!

[boLd NinJa{Koga's Son}]

maybe a dumb question, but does the Macho Brace really decrease the Speed stat?? I wonder becuase everybody seems to use it, but wouldn't it be wrong if you would use it on a Pkmn which you wanna Ev-train in the Speed stat?? thanks in advance for the answer, am a bit confused..

;169;

[TRJessie579]

It only decreases your Pokemon's Speed in battle, while it's equipped. It's not a permanent Speed lost.

[Evanji Axu]

Through the IV calculator, I just found out my Sceptile has perfect IVs for HP and attack. Is this rare?

[Whompithian]

Through the IV calculator, I just found out my Sceptile has perfect IVs for HP and attack. Is this rare?
Odds of getting 31 from a range of 0 to 31 with 6 available positions: (1 / 32) x 6 = 1 : 5.33
Odds of getting 31 in 2 of 6 available positions: (1 / 32) x 6 x (1 / 32) x 5 = 1 : 34.13
Odds that those 31s would be in HP and Attack: (1 / 32) x (1 / 32) = 1 : 1,024

I believe that's accurate. If you also consider how many Sceptile family Pokemon you've encountered in your game, that gives you an idea of how likely it is to have one with two perfect IVs.

[PokeMaster JOE]

I am EV training my Snorunt in Sp.Def. Its a sassy nature. I have been training aginst tentacools and lotads. Now heres my question,if i were just to use my snorunt in battle without switching, this will level up it faster. Now if i were to keep switching, so i get less exp before i level up, would this increase the EV's. So what i am trying to say is the more battles i have in EV training before leveling up, would this be more effective in the EV's?
Also if i were to battle 2 Tenatacruels, which would give 6 EV's in Sp.Def. Would this be more effective than battling 6 Tentacool, which give 6 EV's aswell. I would predict that the Tentacruels would level it up allot faster, obviously depending on the level/s. However at this stage it would probably take more than 6 Tentacools to level it up, so would this be the better choice?
Thanks.

[Whompithian]

I am EV training my Snorunt in Sp.Def. Its a sassy nature. I have been training aginst tentacools and lotads. Now heres my question,if i were just to use my snorunt in battle without switching, this will level up it faster. Now if i were to keep switching, so i get less exp before i level up, would this increase the EV's. So what i am trying to say is the more battles i have in EV training before leveling up, would this be more effective in the EV's?
You only need to be concerned with your total EVs. It doesn't matter how many you earn in a single level. Really, you'll raise your EVs faster if you can defeat more Pokemon faster, which means not switching during battle.
Also if i were to battle 2 Tenatacruels, which would give 6 EV's in Sp.Def. Would this be more effective than battling 6 Tentacool, which give 6 EV's aswell. I would predict that the Tentacruels would level it up allot faster, obviously depending on the level/s. However at this stage it would probably take more than 6 Tentacools to level it up, so would this be the better choice?
Thanks.
The better choice is to defeat anything that gives you the proper EVs. Don't worry about levels unless you are trying to perfectly Effort Train your Pokemon for Level 20 link battles. Here's something to consider: if a Pokemon requires 800,000 Exp. to reach level 100, and it starts out at Level 5, and you are fighting Pokemon that only give 1 Effort Point, you would need to earn over 1500 Exp. from each Pokemon you defeat in order to reach Level 100 by the time you earn 510 Effort Points. Again, you'll raise EVs the fastest when you are able to quickly defeat a large number of Pokemon. Give your Pokemon Energy Items if you still can. Use the Macho Brace to cut Effort Training time in half. If you have a Pokemon with Pokerus, use it to spread the Pokerus to the Pokemon you are Effort Training. Those are the things you should be concerned with when raising EVs quickly.

[PokeMaster JOE]

Ahhh ok thanks, i have been using Macho brace, and vitamins no longer work in sp.def. I am about level 35-40 with snorunt and training against whismur and its taking about 30 battles to level up, but however i am getting +10-12's in HP per level.

[AlexDaSlayer]

ok my question is about IV's

ok so I was trying to breed a decent Abra for the BF.

now i got this one, Modest with synchronize ability (exactly what I wanted) and then it got outstanding stats. like 31 in SP att, 31 in DEF, 30 in Speed and i think 28 in Sp def. Stupid part is, it got 7 in hp.

now i was wondering exactly how much hp my abra is gonna loose cuz of his really bad HP IV ? lest say at level 100 ? like no EV training in HP, how many HPs would an Abra with 7 hp IV get vs an Abra with 31 hp IV ?

thanks in advance !

[PokeMaster JOE]

http://www.serebii.net/games/iv-calc.shtm
Use that otherwise i do not know srry.

[team aqua leader lee]

does anyone think my level 44 metangs IV's are good here they are

HP:30
attack:29
defense:31
sp.attack:28
sp.defense:31
speed:20

[PokeMaster JOE]

At a high standard except speed, maybe try to breed for speed if you can, or have got the time??Otherwise don't bother its very good.My lileep turned out to be very poor in IV's, so you are lucky^^.
However you must consider that Metagross's IV's could be very different, so i suggest looking at them when he evolves.

[Whompithian]

ok my question is about IV's

ok so I was trying to breed a decent Abra for the BF.

now i got this one, Modest with synchronize ability (exactly what I wanted) and then it got outstanding stats. like 31 in SP att, 31 in DEF, 30 in Speed and i think 28 in Sp def. Stupid part is, it got 7 in hp.

now i was wondering exactly how much hp my abra is gonna loose cuz of his really bad HP IV ? lest say at level 100 ? like no EV training in HP, how many HPs would an Abra with 7 hp IV get vs an Abra with 31 hp IV ?

thanks in advance !
1 point in IV equals 1 point in that stat at level 100. So, your Abra will be 24 Hit Points lower than it would if it had a perfect IV in HP.

[team aqua leader lee]

nope i checked them when he evolved still the same IVs i did breed for this metagross first i used a flawless speed timid ditto got a flawless speed beldum bred it with a flawless attack adamant ditto holding everstone and viola a good metagross

P.S. speed EVs can fix its speed problem so can agility i tend to train all my flawless attack and speed and flawless sp.attack and speed pokemon to lvl60 for the battle frontier

[CROCODlLE]

Hi. I've been playing Pokemon for a while, but the formulas for damage still have me confused.

I have a Wailmer, and I'm planning on maxing out both its HP and Special Defense. Wailmers are weak to water and grass, so I figure since both of those are Special Attackers, it'd make sense to put everything into Special Defense so that he lasts a few turns.

Now, while I have enough EV's to max out both, I was wondering, if we could only choose one, would it be better to put EV's in Special Defense or HP? It seems to me Special Defense (or Defense) would be better, since the Pokemon is actually taking more of the hit, and keeping the damage from affecting its HP.

Or does it take all the damage regardless, so having more HP keeps it from fainting?

[PokeMaster JOE]

I would train in sp.def aswelll because its hp is naturally high.

[Ice Cold Glalie]

i know this may sound stupid but how can you tell if you're pokemon have gotten EV points?? cos i'm not sure

[TRJessie579]

There are two ways that a Pokemon gains EVs: Battling, and eating Vitamins. If your Pokemon has done either, it has EVs already.

[Wakkaman]

What I mean is for example:

Does a Venasaur that learned Solarbeam by itself more damage than when he would have learned it via a TM???

Thanks for the help!

Floris

[TRJessie579]

Nope, the way that the Pokemon learns the attack has no affect on how much damage it does.

Solarbeam will be the same whether it was learned, given through TM, bred on, etc.

[Champion Jared 14]

Okay. Just to make sure that I have a good understanding of EV's. Let's say I have a basic lv. 45 Metagross, then I decide to ev train it in attack. I battle a pokémon that gives 1 attack ev when you beat it. In order to get 252 ev's on attack, I would have to beat 252 of that pokémon right? Let's say I had macho brace. If my math is right, then that should cut that down to only 126 pokémon. And in addition, let's say I also had pokérus on it. That would cut it down to only defeating 63 pokémon. Am I on the right track? Also, another question. When's the best time to EV train your pokémon?

[japala]

Yes. After the pokemon league. Thats when I do it.

Now I have a question. I did the IV equation on the main site for my heracross's attack IV. It came out to 29. But I know its 31 because I visited the master breeder at the BF and he said it was flawless. Now, my question is this. How can I get an accurate IV for stats that the breeder doesnt say anything about? Or where can I find an accurate equation/calculator?

[TRJessie579]

What level is your Heracross, and what values are you looking at with the calculator?

Remember that it shows you the highest, lowest, and average IV that your Pokemon could have in that stat. A lot of people make the mistake of only looking at the average, and if the IV calculator is saying your Heracross's Attack IV could be a value from 27-31, the average will be 29.

Also remember that the IV calculator is more accurate when your Pokemon is at higher levels.

Sorry if I'm asking completely obvious questions, I don't know how new you are to IVs. As for other calculators, my favorite was on Pokefor, which is no more. ;_; Serebii's is fairly accurate, but I guess they can't always be completely accurate.

[japala]

Its L50. Yep, I made a mistake of only looking at the first one. But, how do I know which one is the actual IV? Like how do I know if its the average, minimum, or maximum?

I dont really care about attack or speed because the master breeder said they were flawless. I'm just trying to figure out what the other IVs are.

[Humph...]

I've read a lot of EV stuff, so here's a question:
all right, i have fully EV trained my dratini at LV 27, and i've trained my dratini's sp. defence by 48 points (don't criticize, i'm not here for that). So i know that i'm not going to gain 12 extra points in sp. defence when i gain a level (i think), but how many extra points will it gain when it gains a level, or is it random? from my experience, it distributes to each level less points when it has less level and more points when it has a higher level or better base stats

Also, let's say i EV trained a pokemon in a 2 stats 255 EV's at level 99. when it gains the next level, will it get 64 extra points in those stats when it levels Up?

[Expert Evan]

I've posted this in another topic but it seems best to post my recent EV training here which I hope will clearly illustrate things:

Here's an example of how I EV-trained 2 starmies and a houndoom as of recently with the distribution of 252 speed/sp.att & 6 HP

10 carbos/calciums = 100 speed & 100 sp.att
4 trips to gardevoir secret base holding macho brace = 144 sp.att
Guitarist's 2 magnetons & 1 exploud while holding macho brace = 8 sp.att & 6 HP
grassy area right of maulville with zigzagoon/linoone/wingull/electrike/manectric = 152 speed

While it helps when the pokemon are flawless in the necessary stats, here is a site I refer to quite often when EV training:

http://www.psypokes.com/dex/stats.php

[Whompithian]

First off, Champion Jared 14, your post demonstrates a firm grasp of EVs. It sounds like you understand them very well.
Its L50. Yep, I made a mistake of only looking at the first one. But, how do I know which one is the actual IV? Like how do I know if its the average, minimum, or maximum?

I dont really care about attack or speed because the master breeder said they were flawless. I'm just trying to figure out what the other IVs are.
The reason multiple numbers are given is because it is impossible, given the available data, to determine the exact value of your Pokemon's IVs. The only way to get a 100% accurate result is to raise your Pokemon to level 100 and calculate the IVs again. You can use Rare Candies, calculate the IVs, then reset your game so that your Pokemon is back at level 50.
I've read a lot of EV stuff, so here's a question:
all right, i have fully EV trained my dratini at LV 27, and i've trained my dratini's sp. defence by 48 points (don't criticize, i'm not here for that). So i know that i'm not going to gain 12 extra points in sp. defence when i gain a level (i think), but how many extra points will it gain when it gains a level, or is it random? from my experience, it distributes to each level less points when it has less level and more points when it has a higher level or better base stats

Also, let's say i EV trained a pokemon in a 2 stats 255 EV's at level 99. when it gains the next level, will it get 64 extra points in those stats when it levels Up?
Check the first page of this thread, I believe the third post. I posted an equation that allows you to calculate how much your Pokemon's stats will rise each level during Effort Training. The equation is a bear to work with, and it requires you know your Pokemon's Base Stats, IVs, EVs at the beginning of the level, and how many Effort Points you earned in a single level. The results will probably be smaller than you are expecting.

You can only gain 63 points from EVs on a stat, since the calculated value is INT(EV / 4) and 255 / 4 = 63.75 and INT(63.75) = 63. So, your level 99 Pokemon would gain 63 points plus whatever it would gain in one level from the other values, in each stat.

[Champion Jared 14]

Okay. A few times before, I heard there were berries that took away EV's or something. I would like to know what they are because I would like to re-ev train my lv. 100 Milotic. Its a modest natured one but its defense is way too low, and its special attack could probably be better.

[TRJessie579]

http://www.serebii.net/berrydex/

Lists all of the EV-reducing Berries there, they're #s 21-26.

However, LV 100 Pokemon can't gain EVs from battle, since they can't gain EXP. They can gain EVs with Vitamins, but you can't properly EV-train a Pokemon that way. So pretty much not a good plan. XD

[Champion Jared 14]

http://www.serebii.net/berrydex/

Lists all of the EV-reducing Berries there, they're #s 21-26.

However, LV 100 Pokemon can't gain EVs from battle, since they can't gain EXP. They can gain EVs with Vitamins, but you can't properly EV-train a Pokemon that way. So pretty much not a good plan. XD

Oh. Okay. I've already maxed her out with vitamins. So that pretty much means she's stuck with those stats, huh?

[TRJessie579]

Well once the EVs are gone, you can use Vitamins again (a max of 10 per stat), but that means you can only get 100 EVs in any one stat. You CAN do it, in the sense that's it's possible, but it won't give you any major benefits.

[CharizardMaster]

My milotic sometimes won't gain EVs, is there something special I gotta do before it gains them. Its at level 25 with a quiet nature. It gained evs for sp attack stat but not for speed.

[TRJessie579]

You can't "see" EV gain. If it's battling, it's gaining EVs.

You may not see a huge increase in a stat when your Pokemon levels up, if it's at a lower level like 25. Stat gain from EVs is added gradually, not all at once, but your Milotic IS getting the EVs.

[CharizardMaster]

Alright, that makes more sense. Thank you for the answer.

[undisputed_seraphim]

God, I'm totally confused (my maths isnt very good).

Just explain to me: I want to have the perfect Garedvoir. What nature should it be? What EV/IV/whatever V's should I train or get? Answer me that, and I can work the rest out on my own.

[TRJessie579]

That would be better asked in the RMT section.

[The End]

Let's say I maxed out Pikachu's EVs, Speed, Sp A. Will the EVs still be the same when I trade it to Fire Red? *I tend to do that to level it up quicker.*

[Whompithian]

Let's say I maxed out Pikachu's EVs, Speed, Sp A. Will the EVs still be the same when I trade it to Fire Red? *I tend to do that to level it up quicker.*
Yes, the EVs will carry over to FireRed.

[Fizz]

I perfectly understand how EV's work, but I was wondering, what's a good strategy to get good IV's on a Pokémon? Do I just try to catch good Dittos to breed with? That leads me to another question, how are the IV's of a Pokémon related to its parents'?

[The End]

My Pikachu has maxed out EVs of Sp Attack and Speed *I hope* and when I check its Pokedex stats, some of the stats itself is a bit off, is it because those stats are each maxed out with EVs? Or does that involve max IVs?

Also, how will I know when the EVs start taking effect on the stats, my Pikachu is at level 85 at the moment. I heard that you will see changes at level 100?

[manuel the pokemon master]

i have a zubat i am going to train it for speed and it s nature is timid i want to have the maximun speed of all my pokemon until what level i have to ev train it. i dont speak a good english but thats my question.thanks

[Brown Bomber]

Just battle until you get 252 Speed EVs. As long as it's not at Level 100, it doesn't matter.

Timid is a shitty nature for Crobat, get Jolly.

[Whompithian]

I perfectly understand how EV's work, but I was wondering, what's a good strategy to get good IV's on a Pokémon? Do I just try to catch good Dittos to breed with? That leads me to another question, how are the IV's of a Pokémon related to its parents'?
The best strategy is inbreeding. If you are playing Emerald, get a Ditto (preferably from another game) with the Nature you want, give it an Everstone and breed it with the Pokemon you want until you hatch a baby with a perfect IV you want. If that baby is a female with the right Nature or a male, replace the appropriate parent, giving the Everstone to the new Pokemon if necessary. Keep breeding those two Pokemon until you get a baby with two perfect IVs in stats you want, then replace the appropriate parent again. You can get three perfect IVs with good remaining IVs and a good Nature fairly easily doing this. And, if you are persistent, you may get a fourth perfect IV. When you breed two Pokemon in Emerald, the game selects three stats for the baby to inherit IVs from its parents. The donor parent for each stat is chosen randomly. The remaining three stats are each assigned a random IV.

My Pikachu has maxed out EVs of Sp Attack and Speed *I hope* and when I check its Pokedex stats, some of the stats itself is a bit off, is it because those stats are each maxed out with EVs? Or does that involve max IVs?

Also, how will I know when the EVs start taking effect on the stats, my Pikachu is at level 85 at the moment. I heard that you will see changes at level 100?
The Pokedex stats are given as minimum and maximum with a positive, negative and neutral Nature. This means that the Pokemon has to be at Level 100 with a max IV and a max EV in that stat or it has to be at Level 100 with a min IV and a min EV in that stat. As for the effects of your EV training, you will already have seen some effect. Effort Points manifest immediately. But, their effect is cumulative, so they have a greater effect on stats as your Pokemon reaches higher Levels untill it reaches Level 100 and the EVs in each stat have the maximum effect (Stat Boost = EV / 4).

[The End]

I thought so, thanks very much.

My Pikachu is now at Level 100, traded it back to my Emerald *where it first hatched*

This is the stats.

Pikachu @ Lightball/Modest Nature

HP: 200
Attack: 116
Defense: 80
Special Def: 113
Special Att: 195 (390 with lightball)
Speed: 254

When I gave it Hidden Power when it reached 100, it didn't have HP Ice, it had HP Fight *I asummed that was what it was*

Is there a way to make it HP Ice at all?

[TRJessie579]

Hidden Power's type and power is based on your Pokemon's IVs, which are set and don't change. So the HP your Pikachu has is the one it will always have.

[The End]

Aww that's a pity.. thanks.

[ScorpionX]

I have an impish eevee that i'm intending to evolve into an umbreon for the BF but i'm not sure what ev's to give it, i either want hp and defense or hp and spdef, any help please?

Oh and another question, when i ev train my eevee, does it metter if i forget to give it the vitamins but i fully ev train it? cause thats been bugging me for a while.

Thanks

[Ice Cold Glalie]

how can you tell if a pokemon has flawless attack??

when hatching eggs because i can't tell

;362; ICG

[Expert Evan]

how can you tell if a pokemon has flawless attack??

when hatching eggs because i can't tell

;362; ICG
There's a man on the left side in the house above the pokemon center in battle frontier that will rate the highest stat your pokemon has. If there's a tie, he'll randomly say which stat it is.

[Ice Cold Glalie]

There's a man on the left side in the house above the pokemon center in battle frontier that will rate the highest stat your pokemon has. If there's a tie, he'll randomly say which stat it is.

so how about if i hatch eggs and can't be bothered to trail all the way to the BF?? How can i tell if a pokemon has a flawless anything

;362; ICG

[Whompithian]

so how about if i hatch eggs and can't be bothered to trail all the way to the BF?? How can i tell if a pokemon has a flawless anything

;362; ICG
If your Pokemon has high enough Attack at Level 5 that it may be flawless - according to an IV calculator - then save your game, check with the man in the Battle Frontier, and soft-reset if he doesn't have any good news for you.

[Porygandrew]

I'm thinking about doing a damage calculator for main characters such as Steven, Gym Leaders, Enemies, and Brains. Does anyone know if their pokemon have EVs? I know that Brains do, but what about everyone else?
(My goal is to create a program that'll allow you to see how much damage you would do to a trainer's pokemon with an attack from your pokemon - you enter your pokemon's data and choose which trainer and which one of their pokemon you want to fight against).

[Alfonc]

I'm thinking about doing a damage calculator for main characters such as Steven, Gym Leaders, Enemies, and Brains. Does anyone know if their pokemon have EVs? I know that Brains do, but what about everyone else?
(My goal is to create a program that'll allow you to see how much damage you would do to a trainer's pokemon with an attack from your pokemon - you enter your pokemon's data and choose which trainer and which one of their pokemon you want to fight against).


When you battle the Frontier Brains for the Gold Symbol all their Pokemon have IV'S at 31(except for Noland,I am not that sure)

[Zora]

When you battle the Frontier Brains for the Gold Symbol all their Pokemon have IV'S at 31(except for Noland,I am not that sure)

regardless, you can't calculate Noland since he is random

[Porygandrew]

I know that much, but I'm not sure on the placement of the EVs. Meowth346's site used to have all that information before he scrapped his site, sadly enough.

[gregjammer]

I'm thinking about doing a damage calculator for main characters such as Steven, Gym Leaders, Enemies, and Brains. Does anyone know if their pokemon have EVs? I know that Brains do, but what about everyone else?
(My goal is to create a program that'll allow you to see how much damage you would do to a trainer's pokemon with an attack from your pokemon - you enter your pokemon's data and choose which trainer and which one of their pokemon you want to fight against).

I remember back when Pokefor existed that their pokemon do have EVs in their strongest stat categories... The Battle Frontier wouldn't contain the toughest battles in pokemon history if they don't, will it?

[The Emerald King]

Confused, if you have good IV's in a stat, you want to get good EV's in that stat right?

Example, my Electrike had 31 IV's in Sp. Attack (the max right?). So I EV trained in Sp. Attack, I check to see the hidden power (with the IV calculator here) at level 50, when I happen to glance at the IV's. It says I have 8 in Sp. Attack! What happened?

[Whompithian]

Confused, if you have good IV's in a stat, you want to get good EV's in that stat right?

Example, my Electrike had 31 IV's in Sp. Attack (the max right?). So I EV trained in Sp. Attack, I check to see the hidden power (with the IV calculator here) at level 50, when I happen to glance at the IV's. It says I have 8 in Sp. Attack! What happened?
There are a couple of possibilities. First, since you checked your Pokemon's IVs before it was at Level 50, it is highly unlikely that you got a definite 31 from the calculator. It is more likely that you received a range (7 ~ 31, for example) and assumed the last number you saw (in this case, 31) to be the actual value. This is just an assumption, since you gave no indication of how proficient you are with the IV calculator. Anyway, the other possibility is that you already had Effort Points in stats other than Sp. Att. that kept you from earning a full 252 EV for Sp. Att. This would cause you to report a higher EV to the calculator than you actually have. The calculator then displays a lower number for the IV, since it thinks the stat is too low to have a full EV and a high IV. Again, this assumes that you are unpracticed at Effort Training, since your post does not indicate a complete EV spread.

As to the first part of your question, I am not a link-battle expert, but I do know that you want to raise the stats that your Pokemon uses in battle, not just stats that have good IVs. Ideally, you want to get a Pokemon that has good IVs in its primary stats and then Effort Train it in those stats, as well. Presumably, this means that training Electrike in Sp. Att. - especially if it has a good IV - is a good move.

To check your Electrike's IVs, if you are playing Emerald, be sure to use the Breeding Master in the Battle Frontier. He will tell you for certain if your Pokemon has at least one perfect IV.

[The Emerald King]

There are a couple of possibilities. First, since you checked your Pokemon's IVs before it was at Level 50, it is highly unlikely that you got a definite 31 from the calculator. It is more likely that you received a range (7 ~ 31, for example) and assumed the last number you saw (in this case, 31) to be the actual value. This is just an assumption, since you gave no indication of how proficient you are with the IV calculator. Anyway, the other possibility is that you already had Effort Points in stats other than Sp. Att. that kept you from earning a full 252 EV for Sp. Att. This would cause you to report a higher EV to the calculator than you actually have. The calculator then displays a lower number for the IV, since it thinks the stat is too low to have a full EV and a high IV. Again, this assumes that you are unpracticed at Effort Training, since your post does not indicate a complete EV spread.

As to the first part of your question, I am not a link-battle expert, but I do know that you want to raise the stats that your Pokemon uses in battle, not just stats that have good IVs. Ideally, you want to get a Pokemon that has good IVs in its primary stats and then Effort Train it in those stats, as well. Presumably, this means that training Electrike in Sp. Att. - especially if it has a good IV - is a good move.

To check your Electrike's IVs, if you are playing Emerald, be sure to use the Breeding Master in the Battle Frontier. He will tell you for certain if your Pokemon has at least one perfect IV.

No. 1: I'm very proficient in both Effort training And the IV calculator.

No. 2: I cataloged every Effort Point That it gained.

No. 3: Here she is (now a lv. 50 Manectric, it was Lv. 49 not 50)
Manectric@Magnet
Rash (Sp. Attack+, Sp. Defense-)
252 Sp. Attack, 252 Defense, 6 speed
-Thunder wave
-Spark
-Bite
-Thunder

[Whompithian]

No. 3: Here she is (now a lv. 50 Manectric, it was Lv. 49 not 50)
Manectric@Magnet
Rash (Sp. Attack+, Sp. Defense-)
252 Sp. Attack, 252 Defense, 6 speed
-Thunder wave
-Spark
-Bite
-Thunder
It looks like you have it trained well. Unless you recorded the range of values returned by the IV calculator the first time you used it - and that range states otherwise - I suspect that the calculator returned a range of values for the IV and you misread it. Even with an IV of 6, you should still get Sp. Att. over 300 by Level 100, so it's not too much of an issue to have that IV.

To get familiar with the IV calculator, I would recommend inputting the stats of a few Pokemon with a wide range of Levels. Look at the way the responses differ, particularly how the ranges returned are smaller for high-Level Pokemon. By learning how to read the calculator's output, you can make sure your Pokemon are strong enough before you begin intensive Effort Training. Good luck!

[The Emerald King]

It looks like you have it trained well.

Well thank you ^_^

Why is it that the outputs are higher for lower-level pokemon?

BTW, does anyone know a good place to EV train for Sp. Defense other than those damn Tentacool. I mean ones with high Efort Paints you can gain, but are still found commonly? (EV training a Horsea)

[Slim]

The reason it gives innacurate values for lower levels is because at those levels, there are a wide range of IV values that could give the same stat value. So, until a Pokémon is a very high level, a calculated IV could be a few or several off. Serebii's is nice, since it gives a range. I've made my own stat calculator, just so I wouldn't get so confused.

To answer an earlier question: The wayback machine still has a lot of stuff from Pokémon Forever. I've been copying a lot of that stuff down, and I saw that the list of Battle Frontier Brains' Pokémon (http://web.archive.org/web/20041123111946/pokefor.greenchu.de/meowth346/gba/battle-frontier/leaders/) are there, including their IVs and EV training.

[Ben Kenobi]

I've read the guide for EV's on this site but there are still a couple of things I don't understand. First, when you get four EV's and go up a level, you get an extra point in the stat well what if you say had e.g. 2 or 6 or 10 EV's when you go up a level, does the value get reset back to zero or you carry on with those 2 EV's and only need to get 2 EV's in that stat to increase it at next level up?
Also can you get as many EV's from a single Pokemon as you'd like? Are there any limits?

[.::Escalator::.]

Well thank you ^_^

Why is it that the outputs are higher for lower-level pokemon?

BTW, does anyone know a good place to EV train for Sp. Defense other than those damn Tentacool. I mean ones with high Efort Paints you can gain, but are still found commonly? (EV training a Horsea)


I go to route 114 & train against Lotads

[TRJessie579]

Stat gain from EVs is NOT added up as soon as you gain the EVs. It's gradual as your Pokemon levels up, so if you gain 20 EVs and then level up, you won't necessarily see a +5 gain in that stat. If you gain only 2 EVs in a level it's just added to the total EVs your Pokemon has.

On the first page of the thread Whompithian gives an equation that will show you how much stat gain your Pokemon should have from EVs at a certain level.

Also, there are no limits as to what Pokemon you can EV-train with. Every Pokemon gives EVs, always.

[Blaziken God]

What is the maximum amount of EV's you can gain from growing a level. My rayquaza got +12 after one level, then +10 the next battle (I don't know which stat it was. It might have been attack).
Also, how can you work out when your pokemon has reached 252 EV's in a particular stat?

[Whompithian]

What is the maximum amount of EV's you can gain from growing a level. My rayquaza got +12 after one level, then +10 the next battle (I don't know which stat it was. It might have been attack).
Also, how can you work out when your pokemon has reached 252 EV's in a particular stat?
The biggest jump in your stat you could get in a single level from Effort Points is 63, assuming you made it to Level 99 with an EV of 0 in that stat and got the EV to 252+ by the time you leveled up to 100. You would also see a few points in addition to those 63 from the regular boost the stat gains when leveling up. If you'd like to play around with the numbers, that equation that TRJessie579 mentioned can be found here:

http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?p=2262457#post2262457

The game does not allow you to discover your EVs. You must keep track of them yourself based on the Pokemon you battle. If you need to work out a training regimen, the main site has a useful guide to Effort Training that includes groupings of Pokemon by the EVs they give:

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/ev.shtml

Incidentally, if you are playing Emerald, there are berries you can give your Pokemon to lower its EVs to 0 so that, if it's not yet Level 100, you can Effort Train it properly.

[Finnmonster]

Err-HEM. I'm the Lazy Dopeus Ex Machina. I'd like to know how you can tell if your Pokémon has the "flawless" status in more than one stat.

Just came to my mind, does the BM say something like "This Pokémon is quite impressing in ability!" and then he tells which stat has 31 IVs. I have to figure the rest IV amount of Pokémon's stats by myself, I suppose?

[Whompithian]

Err-HEM. I'm the Lazy Dopeus Ex Machina. I'd like to know how you can tell if your Pokémon has the "flawless" status in more than one stat.

Just came to my mind, does the BM say something like "This Pokémon is quite impressing in ability!" and then he tells which stat has 31 IVs. I have to figure the rest IV amount of Pokémon's stats by myself, I suppose?
I suppose you know this part, but I'll sum it up, anyway. If you show your Pokemon to the Breed Master, and it has at least one perfect IV, he will tell you the overall ranking of your Pokemon then say, "Incidentally, the best aspect of it, I would say, is its (stat with perfect IV)... It's flawless! A thing of perfection! ...Hm... That's how I call it."

Now, if your Pokemon has more than one perfect IV, the Breed Master will choose which one to tell you about at random. Unfortunately, since it is completely random, you have to show him the same Pokemon a lot just to make sure he tells you all of the stats that are flawless. If you don't have a flawless stat, you won't get an accurate response on any of your IVs, but the guy will tell you which stat has the highest IV.

It's best, in my opinion, to have enough Rare Candies on hand to completely level a Pokemon up to 100 and use the Breed Master to determine which Pokemon are worth leveling to 100 to do a full IV calculation.

[Ben Kenobi]

I have another question. What would happen if you started a battle with a Pokemon and then switched to another one and won the battle? How many EV's would they get each?

[Expert Evan]

I may have mentioned this some time ago as I noticed with a level 23 ditto which can be found in FR/LG on route 14 at a 15% chance that its HP stat of 62 will always be flawless 31 IV while for all other stats, it's 37 for nature enhanced stats, 34 for nature neutral stats, and 30 for nature decreased stats. Only tediousness is the rare chances of finding desired dittos for breeding purposes. Among my past catches included:

modest with flawless sp.att
timid with flawless speed
calm with flawless sp.att/sp.def
naughty with flawless attack/speed
hardy with flawless hp/speed
jolly with flawless attack

I wish I had an adamant ditto with flawless hp/attack/sp.def so I can use that for beldums.

[Finnmonster]

I have another question. What would happen if you started a battle with a Pokemon and then switched to another one and won the battle? How many EV's would they get each?
They both gain the same amount of EVs.

Try this: Give an Exp.Share to a high-leveled Pokémon that has "space" for more EVs and start the EV-training with another Pokémon. Once the Exp.Share-monster levels up, it'll get a bigger stat gain than it normally would. So does the trainee Pokémon you used when training. So, these both have gained the same amount of EVs. Right?

[OgLoc187]

since we can discuss about any game about EV,where is the best place to do Ev training:
Attack
Defense
Sp.Attack
Sp.Defense
Speed

[TRJessie579]

Which game are you talking about? Ruby, Sapphire or Emerald?

There are different places that are best to EV-train in for each one.

[OgLoc187]

fire/red or isit not aloud in this section?

[Finnmonster]

fire/red or isit not aloud in this section?
This FAQ is also open for FR/LG questions. (EDIT: Right?)

Attack: Mt. Moon-Paras (in little rooms)
Defense: I use the grassy area below Pallet Town where you can catch wild Tangela only
Sp. Attack: Lavender Town-Gastly (Pokémon Tower)
Sp. Defense: Tentacool (ocean areas)
Speed: Route 1 (=the route above Pallet Town)-Rattata and Pidgey

[OgLoc187]

Theres only 1 problem the paras don't appear that much.

[Expert Evan]

Theres only 1 problem the paras don't appear that much.
In the first ladder, go down and all that's there are paras, use the white flute to lure them in...

[OgLoc187]

What do white flute do?

[Expert Evan]

What do white flute do?
white flute attracts more wild pokemon, is obtainable in the sand route in R/S/E after collecting like about 1000 ashes.

[Finnmonster]

Another way to meet wild Paras is to use Sweet Scent. I don't know which version you're playing, but in LG at least Oddish knows/learns SC.

[OgLoc187]

How do you breed a pokemon with a higher IV?

[cxoa]

lol speed has got to be digglets cave, duno about the rest.

For ivs, its easier if you have parents with high ivs, then just breed, i believe out of the parents up to 3 are randomly inherited, and the others are random, there seems no way to influence which stats are inherited its pot luck,

[TRJessie579]

Putting up the new sticky, so if your question you posted here still hasn't been answered and it's not in the FAQ, feel free to post it again there. Thanks!