Should *insert Pokemon* know *insert move*?

[Psychic Politoed]

Hi, this is Psychic Politoed, and I made this thread so people can ask if certain Pokemon should know certain moves. Feel free to ask if you want to know if a Pokemon should know a certain move?

Here is my question.
Should Umbreon know Toxic?

Answer my question or ask your own, and quoting the question to answer it makes it a lot easier.

[≈*Virulent Tsunami*≈]

Should Umbreon know Toxic?

I don't see why not, it's just as effective/ineffective on it as every other Pokémon. People just like it on Umbreon because of its big Defensive Stats.

My question is kind of the opposite of Poli's(you don't mind if I call you that, do you? =D ), it's not why, it's why not. Why doesn't Gyarados learn Aerial Ace? I have plenty of reasons why it should've, but I'll leave the answering and debating to the NextPoster.

~*CB*~
The 8th Champion

[Tropical Spirit]

Because the programmers hate Gyrados and want the n00bs to give their in-game Gyrados the 'Thunder-Hydro Pump-Fire Blast-Blizzard' MS. =D

And How the f*ck Dewgong learns Signal Beam? Same goes to ML Cleffa.

[Tazzler]

I don't see why not, it's just as effective/ineffective on it as every other Pokémon. People just like it on Umbreon because of its big Defensive Stats.

My question is kind of the opposite of Poli's(you don't mind if I call you that, do you? =D ), it's not why, it's why not. Why doesn't Gyarados learn Aerial Ace? I have plenty of reasons why it should've, but I'll leave the answering and debating to the NextPoster.

~*CB*~
The 8th Champion
It has tiny wings?

The main competitive set for umbreon is
Baton pass
healing Move
Mean look
Taunt

But in-game or even the metagame you could find use of toxic on umbreon.

[ChaosMage]

It has tiny wings?

And Diglett's wings are bloody massive!

[≈*Virulent Tsunami*≈]

And Diglett's wings are bloody massive!
XD, my thoughts exactly. Aerial Ace isn't a wing attack, it's just a speedy, lethal strike. And really, if ARMALDO can learn it, why not Gyarados?(nothing against Armaldo, but it's slow, and the point of the attack is Speed ._.).

I'm serious, Tropius Master, I want a definitive reason why Gyarados can't learn Aerial Ace. Not sarcasm. It works fine without it, but that Hidden Power could be put to better uses rather than functioning as the Flying Move it never got...

~*CB*~
The 8th Champion

[Psychic Politoed]

Why doesn't Gyarados learn Aerial Ace?
Why doesn't Politoed learn Calm Mind?

Gamefreak will make mistakes like that. Aerial Ace is a speedy attack and Flying type Pokemon as well as wind oriented Pokemon, like Shiftry, can learn it. Speedy Pokemon can learn it too.

[Tropical Spirit]

I'm serious, Tropius Master, I want a definitive reason why Gyarados can't learn Aerial Ace. Not sarcasm. It works fine without it, but that Hidden Power could be put to better uses rather than functioning as the Flying Move it never got...
I don't know. It is sleet, it is sharpy, it is fast... I REALLY dunno. >__>;;

And why Exeggutor doesn't have CM is another mystery to me. I mean, SLOWBRO can learn it. >__>

[≈*Virulent Tsunami*≈]

And why Exeggutor doesn't have CM is another mystery to me. I mean, SLOWBRO can learn it. >__>

Well, Slowbro's mind is quite calm(understatement much). And Exeggutor doesn't really need the boost, it would ruin its already excellent StandardSet. Meh, could work in 00ber Battles where you don't need Sunny Day.

~*CB*~
The 8th Champion

[Volteon]

well, occtilery´s bullet seed, flametrower, fire blast, psychic (IMO, it´s really strange)
well, for psychic, I think that octopusses are the most evolved animal in the true life, and they are in the 1st (or 2nd) in the list of the smartest animals (according with animal planet), but I really don´t know about the others.
I´ll post more things, because I know that are more.

[Tazzler]

Haven't you noticed that all AA pokemon have wings or claws?or scythers or something of that sort.
Meh, i dunno why Dos doesn't learn AA.
Why rapidash doesn't learn EQ when a little bear and a seel can learn it? All over ungulates learn EQ.

[Psychic Politoed]

This thread is becoming something different than what i imagine. ;_; Anyway, I thought it would be cool if Umbreon knew Toxic because his Leaf Green Pokedex entry says, "When agitated, this Pokemon protects itself by spraying poisonous sweat from its pores."

Here's another question.

Should Swampert know Muddy Water?

I see some people who don't teach Swampert the move. Even though it is not the most accurate move, it has a base power of 95 and has a 30% chance of lowered accuracy.

[ChaosMage]

Some moves are there for game-ralated reasons. For instance, Charmander learning Metal Claw is because all starters should have an advantage against Brock. Can anyone else think of an example of this?

A really wierd one to me is that Lombre can learn Thief...

[Tropical Spirit]

A really wierd one to me is that Lombre can learn Thief...
It's based after a mexican. 'Nuff said. >__>

And Jynx with Lick is just wrong. :P

[Ilex]

It's based after a mexican. 'Nuff said. >__>


Racist much?

Anyway(<_<), I think that Oddish should learn RazorLeaf.

Haven't you noticed that all AA pokemon have wings or claws?or scythers or something of that sort.

Then how does Dugtrio learn it?

[Tropical Spirit]

Racist much?
Blame NOJ much? >___>
I was just pointing the fact out. I never said I agreed with it. >___> STFU.

And the fact Absol can't learn Earthquake even if it is the disaster pokemon makes me feel sad inside. ;_;

[blackice2]

bannete screech?
wbbuffet/wynaut tickle?(no fingers)
rapidash no eq
most pkemon with thunder wave shouldnt be able to generate electicity
many others...

[SlimShady]

What about a Hyper beam Pikachu or a Nidoking and a Nidoqueen with cut? Nidoking has sharp claws, so why can't it learn cut? And why can't Salamence learn ice beam or surf?

[Ilex]

Blame NOJ much? >___>
I was just pointing the fact out. I never said I agreed with it. >___> STFU.

And the fact Absol can't learn Earthquake (IIRC) makes me feel sad inside. ;_;


Don't tell me to STFU for pointing out something that made you look like a racist.

Just a misunderstanding :). And wtf does NOJ mean?
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I think that more Pokemon such as Electrike should learn Volt Tackle.

[Dunsparce]

Why Can't Ampharos/Charizard get Tail Glow?!?!?!?

Before anyone says it, I'll say something that I've said about 20 times already in this forum: FIREFLY LIGHT IS ITS NAME IN JAPAN!!!
That's also why only Volbeat can get it.

[Tropical Spirit]

Don't tell me to STFU for pointing out something that made you look like a racist.

Just a misunderstanding :).
OK then. *shrugs* I AM short-tempered, though. Expect these kind of things from me. >__>

And wtf does NOJ mean?
Nintendo
Of
Japan
Actually, I'm not THAT sure if it's their blame. I know Gamefreak only make the games, though. (I don't think they make the pokemon's movepools)


I think that more Pokemon such as Electrike should learn Volt Tackle.

Agree'd. It's not like it is good or anything. :x

BTW, Ph34r da Hypa Beanz Sneasle!!one!!!1

[Wolf Goddess]

Charizard and Crunch
Charizard and Thunderpunch
Flygon and Silver Wind.

[Hiraitos Zero aka OCZ]

I think Machamp should know Shadow Punch.

[Tropical Spirit]

I think Hitmonchan should know Shadow Punch. It would be cool to not waste its Hidden Power in the Ghost type anymore.

[Hiraitos Zero aka OCZ]

I think Hitmonchan should know Shadow Punch. It would be cool to not waste its Hidden Power in the Ghost type anymore.
Maybe most punchers should get Shadow Punch.

and what the hell,Grimer/Muk gets Shadow Punch.

[Obiwan Shinobi]

Spikes Joleteon
Spikes Sandslash
Aerial Ace Gyarados
Rock Slide Gyarados
Suprer Fang Crobat

Before anyone says it, I'll say something that I've said about 20 times already in this forum: FIREFLY LIGHT IS ITS NAME IN JAPAN!!!
That's also why only Volbeat can get it.

Dunsparce gets Glare, which means Snake Glare iirc.

[Rod]

I think that more Pokemon such as Electrike should learn Volt TackleAgree'd. It's not like it is good or anything. :x

BTW, Ph34r da Hypa Beanz Sneasle!!one!!!1
No, because volt tackle is like frenzy, plant, hydro pump and things like that wichh means that only one pokemon can know it

[Dunsparce]

Charizard and Crunch
Charizard and Thunderpunch
Flygon and Silver Wind.

NYPC in GSC.

Not that great, anyways.
If any starter needs Crunch, It's Venusaur. Look at the size of its mouth!!!
Plus it need more special moves.

Special Attack Moves that Starters can get that are not of their type:

Venusaur gets nothing in GSCRSE ;_;

Charizard gets Bite, Beat Up, Crunch(NYPC), Dragon Rage, Outrage, and Dragonbreath in GSC, and has Bite, Beat Up, Outrage, Dragon Rage, and Dragon Claw in RSE

Blastoise has Bite, Zap Cannon(NYPC), Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Ice Punch, and Blizzard in GSC, and has Bite, Icy Wind, Ice Punch, Ice Beam, and Blizzard in RSE

Meganium gets Nothing in GSCRSE ;_;

Typlosion gets Thunderpunch

Feraligatr has Bite, Crunch, Icy Wind, Ice Beam, Ice Punch, Dragonbreath, and Blizzard in GSC and gets Bite, Crunch, Icy Wind, Ice Punch, Ice Beam, Blizzard, and Dragon Claw in RSE

Sceptile has Pursuit, Crunch, Dragonbreath, Dragon CLaw, and Thunderpunch

Blaziken gets Thunderpunch

Swampert gets Icy Wind, Ice Ball, Ice Punch, Ice Beam, and Blizzard


Venusaur, Meganium, Typhlosion, and Blaziken are shafted.
I know some starters don't need special attacks, but NOJ could at least expand on their special movepools (And update the Johto Starter's Level-Up moves, D*****)

[Puffs]

Should Barboach/Wiscash really have Spark? It doesn't really make sense.

[Tazzler]

Diglett is a mole which means it has claws. If glare means snake glare, then dunsparce should learn it since it is a land snake.

[Puffs]

Dunsparce DOES learn Glare, as do Ekans/Arbok & Seviper (or in 4Kids' case, Ekans/Arbok/Seviper)

[PDL]

Bellsprout and Ingrain... why don't these two go together?

[Tygore]

Before anyone says it, I'll say something that I've said about 20 times already in this forum: FIREFLY LIGHT IS ITS NAME IN JAPAN!!!
That's also why only Volbeat can get it.

And you can't take the sky from Volbeat.

[Wolf Goddess]

NYPC in GSC.

Most of us can't go to NYC. :P

I think Hitmonchan should know Shadow Punch. It would be cool to not waste its Hidden Power in the Ghost type anymore.

It should get Meteor Mash too.

[Obiwan Shinobi]

So should Deoxys, it's from space.

[Skitt3n]

Espeon - Solarbeam. It's the Sun Pokemon, FFS!

[Tazzler]

FP, someone said how sparce shouldn't learn glare so I was correcting them.
If ampharos can leaen fire punch, why not ice punch?

[PDL]

Most of us can't go to NYC. :P

that, and they can't be traded into the advanced games

NYPC pokemon that have special moves shouldn't count, since it's not available for most people who don't live near New York, or don't have a cheating device...

[Tropical Spirit]

False Swipe Shroomish makes baby logic in pogeymanz cry.

It should get Meteor Mash too.
*Slaps self*
Of COURSE! I even remember debating the fact that the Clefairy line can learn it and Hitmonchan can't one of these days! ;_;

BTW, both Sceptile and Ampharos should get all the punches, imo. (K, maybe you shouldn't give Sceptile FP... But IP=YES.)

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[Psychic Politoed]

Okay, this thread really became something I didn't hope of it being, so I will have to stretch the rules.

Anyway, you can ask any of these types of questions.

Should Umbreon learn Toxic?
He can learn Toxic, so should he learn it?

Why doesn't Politoed learn Calm Mind?
He cannot learn it, why not?

How can Aron learn Metal Claw?
He has stubby feet with no claws, so how can he?

And can somebody answer my question if Swampert should learn Muddy Water?

[+Chaos Blade+]

Why doesn't Magikarp learn a friggin' water attack?

[Psychic Politoed]

Why doesn't Magikarp learn a friggin' water attack?

Because Game Freak's intention on programming Magikarp was to be pathetic. They did not want to make him anymore powerful. I think they should make a powerful Magikarp that doesn't evolve for the heck of it, but that's just me.

And...

Should Swampert learn Muddy Water?

Can anybody answer my question?

[Flying Tropius]

Because Game Freak's intention on programming Magikarp was to be pathetic. They did not want to make him anymore powerful. I think they should make a powerful Magikarp that doesn't evolve for the heck of it, but that's just me.

And...

Should Swampert learn Muddy Water?

Can anybody answer my question?
yes they should! It is a signature move!

[Horn Drill]

yes they should! It is a signature move!

No you shouldn't. Surf is better.

Why doesn't Tauros get Megahorn and Shadow Ball? And Charizard and Ampharos should get Tail Glow. I don't care what its friggin' Japanese name is. :@

[Tazzler]

All the pokemon that learn megahorn have one horn. Tauros has two horns. Rapidash should get it. Even if charizard gets tail glow, it's not like its special movepool is going to expand.

[Paperfairy]

Does anyone wonder why Nyarth never got Milk Drink? Or the fact that Beroringa didn't recieve Lick until Yellow version? Always bothered me...

-PF

[Kveran]

Earthquake on Rapidash would be nice, considering, I don't know, that its hooves, being harder than diamonds, are certainly just as strong as Glalie's oh-so-powerful feet? Not that it would help Rapidash much, considering that it got pretty ripped in the move department anyway, and being a specialist, it really can't do much out of its own type; but for the sake of argument.

Another vote for Gyarados learning Aerial Ace... good physical attack and nothing it can STAB physically outside of a Hidden Power. Even Modest, fully EV trained, and with great IVs, Gyarados's Sp.ATK can't really compare with its physical attack. I know I have differing perspectives as far as competitive use goes, but I like STAB backed up by solid offense, and given that Gyarados's greatest strength is in its physical attack, I lament its lack of STAB.

Trapinch should learn Earthquake naturally. Most of the other ground types do. Instead, it gets Dig. Oh, frabjous day.

Can't understand why Gardevoir gets Thunderbolt, but not Ice Beam. (If not Ice Beam because that move is too cold for the emotional "embrace Pokemon," why not Flamethrower?)

[Psychic Politoed]

It's been a while since this thread gained posts, but...

Should Masquerain know Bubblebeam?

I want to know if I should hold Sunskit for three levels.

And don't tell me that Masquerain sucks; people exeggerate.

Special Attack 80 and Special 82 isn't all that bad.

[Volteon]

It's been a while since this thread gained posts, but...

Should Masquerain know Bubblebeam?

I want to know if I should hold Sunskit for three levels.

And don't tell me that Masquerain sucks; people exeggerate.

Special Attack 80 and Special 82 isn't all that bad.

masquerain has s.defence enough to resist a flametrower, so it is awesome an insect learn water moves (but hydro pump is better).

[Psychic Politoed]

masquerain has s.defence enough to resist a flametrower, so it is awesome an insect learn water moves (but hydro pump is better).

Yeah, but this is from XD (from the Pokespot). So the two water attacks that are of any worth are Bubblebeam and Water Pulse.
I guess there's also HP Water 70, but that is rare.
And with Water Sport, Flamethrower would be even weaker.

[Tazzler]

IMO, water pulse for confusion.

[Tazzler]

Eh, I just meant theoretically and I knew it won't get it.

[Psychic Politoed]

IMO, water pulse for confusion.

Water Pulse would be the definite choose, but there is only one of them.

Should I use it for Masquerain?

[pikadon92]

Does anyone wonder why Nyarth never got Milk Drink? Or the fact that Beroringa didn't recieve Lick until Yellow version? Always bothered me...

-PF
What are these supposed to be(my system got jammed up somehow because of the search button)? But for the first question, I think only milktank learns milk drink because it is the only pkmn that provides enough amount of milk. Beside, the games is for everyone, including kids, so............

[Volteon]

Water Pulse would be the definite choose, but there is only one of them.

Should I use it for Masquerain?

I think that wailmer learns water pulse, so it´s just breed.

[Psychic Politoed]

I think that wailmer learns water pulse, so it´s just breed.

It is actually TM03. You get it for clearing Mt. Battle Area 2. I just don't know whether I should use it on Masquerain or not.

[Tazzler]

Beroringa is lickitung.

[Volteon]

beroringa, is this a new planet, or masquerain´s jap. name?

ah, the thing about wailmer was for other pokemon not masque.